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Seaboard. Good afternoon, Mark,
Great to talk to you. Hey,

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sl good to talk to you.
We got a rainy day here in North

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Carolina, and driving an the rain
is always fun and delightful. Well,

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hopefully this would be a more relaxing
the experience than driving in the rain.

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Yeah, down down in the Free
State of Florida. We just had a

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plain, old beautiful day, bright, bright blue skies, about seventy degrees.

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Can't complain about it at all,
um, and life was good in

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springtime. We've got no reason to
complain. We during the pre show for

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our friends and out in California,
be careful what you ask for. You

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were in some participation, you got
it. We were chatting a little bit

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about the Tahoe area, where we
both spent a little bit of time.

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And when you when you measure,
you're still in meters are yards. That's

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usually not a good thing. But
I think the droughts done for our friends

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in California. Yeah, when I
was a kid, we lived in in

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the Central Valley at Castle Air Force
Base and we used to drive around and

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you know, the flood flooding wasn't
that uncommon back in those days. And

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we probably need the word droughts.
But yeah, when they talk about dams

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bursting, and uh, what counties
anyone one of the count of my Monterey

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area, and people haven't evacuated houses, you know, so they got they

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got water, they got tons of
snow. Hopefully this will recharge boast of

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if they've if they've kept any reservoirs, this will recharge the reservoirs they need

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to keep going forward and allow us
to have delightful things like California almonds and

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all that good stuff. It's an
opportunity to excel for their hum state officials

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and their politicians and everything else.
And um, I guess that's a strange

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lead in, but not really.
Um. Again, during the pre show

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for our listeners, we have one
of our melee formats. We both throw

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our cards on the ground and see
if they overlap where we wanted to talk

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about today, and we kind of
wandered in to a topic that's kind of

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fundamental. If you're in the national
security arena, whether you're wearing a uniform

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or you're on the civilian side,
because it's something that we either execute or

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we experience or both on an almost
daily basis. And I think it applies

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not just to the military or government
service, but absolutely applies in the civilian

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sector and in a way even in
your own family. And they're often used

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interchangeably, or you will see where
one is best used the other one is,

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and that is management during leadership.
I remember as a jo for those

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that are going to have an eye
twitch what I mentioned it. Remember the

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mid nineties, everybody got decided that
they wanted to get with Demming and his

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total quality management. Of course,
the didn't want to use management in the

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military, so they just changed the
word total quality leadership. That you oppose

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one of the reasons why it didn't
last very long. But that argument's been

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going on for a long time as
far as their characteristics and their utility and

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win their most appropriate and um,
you know, leadership versus management. Um,

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what do you think mark is?
Are they? Are they both useful?

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And in the military context, should
you have one and more than the

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other? Um? Where do people
get them confused? I mean when I

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when I throw that out there,
what's something that comes to mind. Yeah,

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they're they're both essential and they're and
they are they are tied together if

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you have a good organization. And
let me let me preface it by saying,

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I used to teach these leadership and
management seminar back in the dark ages.

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Um So, I mean one of
the things I always am impressed with

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is when you go to an organization
and they have and this is we used

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to write these. Remember the days
we used to write mission statements, and

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you had you were supposed to get
a clear idea of what your primary the

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job of your company was, what
you were trying to do with whatever organization

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you had. And then you would
have you have mission, and you'd have

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a vision statement which is supposed to
tell you how we're going to get there.

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And then you had this had the
what I consider the other part where

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the values. So and every time
I saw an organization that had problems,

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it seemed to me they would sometimes
get their values mixed up with what their

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primary mission was. So if your
primary mission, let's take the United States

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and NABY primary mission is to provide
the naval component for national defense, and

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your your mission is to make sure
you have the assets and the equipment,

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and you made the argument and you've
gotten the people and you were leading them

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so that they understand their job is
as we as we start every day.

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Your job that day is to make
sure that we're ready to go to war

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and you will protect the United States
and its constitution and its people. Okay,

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so you know, I mean that's
my mission statement for the Navy.

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Maybe maybe the Navy has another mission
statement. But then you tie into that,

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you know, vision how we're going
to get there, Yeah, yeah,

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And then you tie it that that
your values and your values are we're

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gonna you know, that's where you
get to the we're going to treat people

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and in such and such a way, we're going to treat people equally.

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We're going to treat people, uh
fairly, We're gonna we're gonna make sure

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that our people have the tools they
need to do the job. And where

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you get into the DEMI side of
it, because TQM really involves getting part

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of the DEMI missionists make sure your
workers have the tools they needed to do

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as a job right and and so
you know, you want to make sure

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you have the best equipment that the
that the people know how to you,

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and that it fulfills the functions you
see when you come up with your mission

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of defending the country. So I
think they're tied very closely together. The

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leadership involves making sure you have your
vision, your your mission clearly stated,

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and you don't mix up the the
vision and the and the U values to

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the extent that they you let them
override your primary mission. So sometimes you're

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going to say, I can't take
care of my people because the mission is

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such that I've got to We're gonna
have to make some sacrifices that we're gonna

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have to send people in harms away. And if you ever have seen the

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John Wayne movie and uh they were
expendable. You've got these pt boats and

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and they literally were uh expendable.
They were they were there too. They

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were not capable of surviving. Well, that you know that is if your

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if your value is I can't let
any of my people die, you've got

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a problem. If your mission is
sometimes you have to send your essuch,

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you have to sometimes send your people
into harm's way. That makes sense,

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it does. But there's a reason
why people can spend almost an entire semester

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studying this. I've always find that
a lot of the conflict comes from it's

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in the same neighborhood as making sure
you know the difference between what is legal,

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what is ethical, and one is
moral. And you have a mission

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and the old phrase that sometimes is
used incorrectly, but that's not who we

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are or the American way of doing
things is if you have a mission,

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and inside every mission, do you
have restraints and constraints, constraints or things

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externally that can prevent you from doing
things like the polar ice cap will stop

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your hydropol of working. You know, that's that's that's a constraint. Restraint

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is something that you impose yourself on
what you're going to do. And I

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think you can make a condition a
conditional relationship, if not a direct one,

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betraying restraints and values how they inform
each other. There's values, of

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course, can be subjective, but
sometimes they are codified into rules of engagement,

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our national caveats what you will or
will not do. But your values

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can restrain your mission. I remember
a conversation we had back in the late

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double Zeros with a guy who officially
defined himself as a retired Ukrainian major general.

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He really was a retired Soviet major
general. He was the J two

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in Afghanistan in the middle late nineteen
eighties, and overall the NATO's side of

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the house, we were telling them
what we were planning to do. This

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is right before mccarnan took over,
and he made a comment roughly yet,

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this is very similar to what we
did, except we would have done other

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things to try to were I think
we were talking about the Ring Road.

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They said, yeah, we would
pretty much. We would mind these valleys

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and then we would bomb the villages
on the mountain side. And that caused

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a few people to laugh, some
people to just stare into the distance.

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But that's a value system that restrained
the mission that we are trying to accomplish.

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Because the Soviets had a different set
of values and NATO had a distinctly

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different set of values. They both
ultimately resulted in defeat for both powers.

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But I think that's one way to
look at values and how that can influence

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your mission as part of your constraints. And of course that can change really

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fast when there is a change in
leadership, where you can get a different

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set of commander's intent or a different
direction and guidance and sometimes those can be

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mechanical economic logistics, but sometimes they're
based on values. We will no longer

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do this, we will do that. It's in many ways it's it's inside

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our control. And I think we
saw in people rightfully are still discussing this.

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Is it used to be that America
pride itself, that least not officially

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to do what some people would define
as torture. And I remember before nine

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to eleven there was actually some great
discussions, one of which was about the

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World War Two. German Luftwaffe's best
interrogator never laid a hand on anybody and

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got the most information out of the
American and British aviators. That external things

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can change a value system such that
it can change how you restrain how you're

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going to try to conduct a mission. If your Intel Forces mission is to

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find out where senior leaders are,
the values are going to restrain what they

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are allowed to do or not to
do. And external stressors can cause people

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and organizations to rather rapidly change their
value system such that a few years earlier,

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if you had said that down in
Guantanamo Bay would be policy to water

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board and do a variety of things
to people we had captured, people wouldn't

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think it had been as easy as
it actually turned out to be. And

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I think it's a hard topic because
then you go is that good or bad?

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What depends upon your point of view, your system of morality. And

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then as you go up to change
is an ethical issue i e. You

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are breaking regulations or is a legal
issue? Where he's now a professor at

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UC Berkeley Law, I believe Yao
or Yo I forget his name, he

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was the guy who changed, found
a way to change what was allowed or

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not allowed in Guantanamo. I think
that whole, that whole spectrum and how

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it informs both directions is a fascinating
and ongoing topic. And you can even

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it internal to an organization, I
know and Afghanistan or any type of coalition

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evolution. If you have a certain
mission come up, you have some nations

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that can come with you, and
some people say I'm sorry, I can't

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simply because their nation won't allow you
to the argument about what was considered counter

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terrorism versus other missions was always a
big argument, and it had to do

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with that spectrum from legal to ethical
to moral values. I can't really it

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might come to my mind in a
second. But we almost need doctor Kerr

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and Shanks get Paula in here to
talk about what's the difference between values and

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morality, because I believe there is
a different definitional issue. But how that

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practically execute itself. I think it's
a little harder to define. Yeah,

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I think that's a real challenge.
I mean, you look back at the

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you know, there's a there's a
national morality, so that when the stories

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break about my lie say or um, which was the attack on a village

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in Vietnam where uh, Lieutenant Kelly
let his platoon or a company wherever he

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had go crazy and they killed a
bunch of people that should have killed stopped

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by a by the way as much
as possible by a warrant officer who landed

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his helicopter and h told him to
stop. He finally, by the way,

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I got recognized for his h his
actions for that, and uh you

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know, awarded some some metal for
that. But that was national that it

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was a national value that was broken
by by this this group in Vietnam.

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And the other one was the treement
of the prisoners at at the Abu Grab

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prison. You know, that is
again a national morality and This is when

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the newspapers and the news services do
a service for us as they raise these

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things, say this is this is
something you know that your your people did.

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Are you happy with this? And
you know obviously uh no, nobody

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was telling these people to do the
stuff they did. They just they did

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it and it was wrong by the
standards of the nation. Now has has

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you know, the more complicated issue, I'm sure we really do need to

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get a professor on to discuss.
This is when you when your morality changes.

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When when when groups of people um
can can justify actions burning down police

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stations on the basis that to them, immoral things happen in those stations and

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therefore they have the right to take
action against it. You know what,

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what lines are you drawing? But
I think you know that we can get

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down with the weeds on this and
probably shouldn't because my point was really that,

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you know the focus of an organization
like the Navy, and the Navy

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says our mission is to recruit,
train, equipment, organized over combat,

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reading and evil forces to win conflicts
and ors while managed to security, deterrence,

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the sustained forward presence. That's fine, that's a mission and our values

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are honor, courage, and commitment. You know, uh, those are

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great, But what are you doing
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what are you doing about the issue
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say, who who does something that
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know, or you're not treating all
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what are we what are we doing
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let those discussions and those problems bubble
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dominate and control roll the leadership that
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main mission, which is uh national
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on blog no one shall be named, of course, who point out that,

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you know, we're letting our ships
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navy leadership saying we don't want rusty
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an effect. Somebody has said,
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it's my job as a leader to
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and the time and the equipment they
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managers. You know, the management
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equipment and and and time for your
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think they're as we were discussing before. I think they're they're very closely related.

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there. The question is how we
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which value becomes a priority over other
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that we did in the pre show
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point about it. Is when I
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house, is we're trying to look
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people can can argue the specifics of
what he's doing. However, General Burger,

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the coming out of the Marine Corps
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I think the time fly that might
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BO concept. He's been out there
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responsibilities to move the conversation, move
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thinks the Marine Corps should focus on
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driving that conversation, making it very
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you want to focus on. I
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you have good people, you tell
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want to be and will help get
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a real good job at that,
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we see from the Chief Naval Operations, Admiral Guilday, I think is more

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along the management side of the house. And you made a very good point

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that and I don't have a really
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Army and the Air Force. One
church very somewhere that you know General Burger

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being embedded inside the Navy umbrella,
he's got a little more time to invest

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in what he's doing. Whereas as
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entire US Navy, and I believe
we have this number right. If not,

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we got we got John Conrad over
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We are blessed to have him joined
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us the wrong, but I think
it was op NAV when you include all

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their shipyards has eighty thousand employees.
There's a lot of management that has to

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do to lead an organization like that, So perhaps inside of his roles and

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responsibilities in that position, that is
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of a manager than a leader.
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going to do the Burger version on
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that's a institutional design challenge, and
other cnos perhaps have done the mix differently,

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for better or worse. It also
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subordinates. But I think if you
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a negative thing because everybody has your
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from more of the managerial vice a
leadership background, So I think maybe he's

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playing to his strengths in that regard. But I think when you get up

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really really high up like that,
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have working for you, you can
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specialty is that perhaps it's okay to
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that leadership to management spectrum. Yeah, I mean, you know, Eisenhower

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as a manager, a lot of
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he certainly managed a coalition that he
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feral guilde. You know, if
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he's got all these semi autonomous groups
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you know, so you've got NAVC
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eighty thousand civilian employees. Um,
you know you've got you've got your submarine

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community, You've got your aviation community, got the surface community, You've got

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the Special Operations Forces, you've got
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corps, you've got gental, you
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of stuff that that would seemingly be
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Somebody's got to coordinate all these leads
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are going, well, we're the
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the aviation guys, we're the most
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is it is the Department of Defense
writ a little smaller in the Department of

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the Navy. And uh to I
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leadership and management skills to to kind
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you know that the question is who
um you know, if you're looking

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at it from from where we want
to be and and you know, every

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now and then we see like I
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the some of the m FIBs for
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what are we doing? Somebody has
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doing? And how does this?
How is this affecting our mission? I

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think that happens, and that is
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where are we on? And here's
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are we on the on meeting our
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all of you competing entities inside the
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really have a discussion about which is
the most you know, one of the

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most vital things we need right now
to when the when the American public calls

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on us to do our job,
that we don't go oh uh ge uh.

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You know, only a third of
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Guys? Is that the NAFC,
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know, where does that come from? And how do we fix this?

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operating at very high level, you
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kind of embarrasses they had to put
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eighteen community so that it was what
I think capable for other than wherever the

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loan number was before that. John
Conrad gave us the facts here. It's

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like Nasty is eighty six thousand,
Navre is forty thousand submariners. I'm sure

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they have quite a bit interesting data
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thousand. It's the Navy is an
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yeah, speaking of the you know
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kind of switching gears for a little
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the big news in the last week
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Prime Minister is coming to San Diego
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didn't see that in the articles I
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Minister is going to San Diego to
meet with President Biden about the Aucus submarine

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announcement. And from what we've heard
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I've made before that I don't see
why other people made because I'm wrong that

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other people haven't really seen this.
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is that Australia, in order to
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get five US Virginia class submarines,
and while they have our work on a

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modified version of the British Stute class
submarine as a sin are, I think

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is what they're talking about. Both
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talked about quite a bit here and
has to do with our incredibly fragile,

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thin and underresourced industrial sector for submarines. And the pushback for a lot of

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people who don't like it is they
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we have because we just can't put
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So it logically is going to come
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they don't like that because that stops
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I don't that makes sense. I
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blinkered left and right. In the
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major conflict of last century, plus
the UK and have fought with us,

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and if anything happens in the West
Pack, probably the only European nation that

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will help us in any regard will
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a little bit on the periphery to
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of influence and southern and southeastern Pacific, but I don't think we can rely

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on them. And as a result, those five Virginias they may be flying

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a different flag, but they'll be
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are. And there's a greater gain
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which is not a large nation.
It's roughly the size of the Netherlands and

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Belgium the Benelux if you made a
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power at best, but they've got
a huge continent, huge resources. You

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can't beat their geography, and more
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that's three of the five eyes.
New Zealand and Canada will be a rounding

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error any Pacific war. So anything
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UK closer to us. That's as
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would love to see if doing more
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issue, having had dinners for months
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have a very interesting relationship with Malaysia, which is no small creature. They

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both also have even you could argue, if not more, at least equal

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to influence in Singapore. So there's
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think, if nothing else, if
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they're missing five submarine command slot because
we can't build faster, well maybe that's

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a great opportunity to make a larger
discussion about our industrial base when it comes

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to nuclear power. Yeah, and
you know we're talking about leadership. I

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will commend the the the Biden administration, UH, and the and the Navy

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for getting getting this thing, rolling
this this this UH. This is good

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leadership. This is what we want. If you're going to lead the free

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world and in a China, then
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the way you lead it is by
saying we're willing to share our toys so

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that so that the correct the sea
lanes will remain open. And those are

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sea lanes benefit everyone. And by
the way, China, including your dirt

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bags, you ungrateful dirtbag. So
this is this is this is this is

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great. This is leadership and and
you know, I think we this is

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one of those cases of situations where
the faster the better. Uh. You

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know, I've suggested at one point
that we take a couple of hubs and

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and uh let's you know, let's
drag them on down there went and but

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yeah, they're still active. We
don't. You know, it's not a

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it is not a it's a net
loss to US Navy. It's not a

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net loss to the Allied to the
Allied course that we need and we need,

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you know, we need to think
a little bigger in this case,

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because the area we're talking about out
there in the in the far reaches of

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the Pacific from Washington, DC,
that it's like a zillion miles and might

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as well be on the moon.
But uh, you know, that's a

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that's a huge area, and we
need all the friends there we can get,

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and we need all the equipment out
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comments section, Uh, Peter k
my favorite uh New York Greek American whose

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last name I can never pronounity allowed
to keep me again. He brought up

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a good point that what I mentioned
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the operation. Phase one we believe
UM is going to be US Virginia class

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submarines basing out of Australia in some
capacity here or not, which opens the

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door to in the smart world mixed
cruise. So as the Australians wait for

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their own, they already are building
up a cadre of officer and enlisted experience

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in the Virginia class. And boy, you talk, you talk about easy

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billets to fill. Okay, who
was to get its the PCs get overseas

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credit for Australia. You'll have no
problem filling those billets. You'll be able

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to do be very competitive. So
I'm a little envious of our of our

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submarine sailors who might have an opportunity
tocation in Australia. There are worse places

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to be UM. But that that
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you tied it into leadership, because
there's personal leadership and there's national leadership,

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and UM, I think for those
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is. We've both individually on mid
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have been made in a variety of
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this particular case. And there's always
room to screw it up. But this

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is turning into a really good news
story about UM national leadership with friends and

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partners doing something where the collective effort
is going to be much greater than some

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of its individual parts. Yes,
I know the French are a little grumpy

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about it, but if I was
an Australian, I would have a lot

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more confidence in being able to get
to a statisfactory conclusion with the with the

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British and Americans, and I would
the French, just not just for economic

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size, but also for cultural reasons
and historical reasons. It's it's we'll see

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how it plays out. But so
far, bravo Zulu to the folks that

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are moving the ball down the road
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it's excellent. I think also the

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you know, I keep thinking we're
we are embrace it with Japan, and

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you know they have these excellent uh
they have an excellent submarine force themselves.

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And they're not nukes, but they're
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uh, you know, I think
it's my my suggestion for helping for them,

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helping us is to buy some of
their flying boats, which we could

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could really and we've already discussed that
on other occasions. But you know,

409
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let's let's really be partners and and
uh and and let's do this right,

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so, uh, partner. Certain
part of leaderships. Part of leadership is

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mutual respect. Um, you have
to respect your your friends, your allies,

412
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your partners, your subordinates, those
that are weaker than you as much

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as stronger than you. And I, like I said, we've gone down

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this rabbit hole again. But it
did, it did trigger me. But

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I think it goes back to our
discussion we started with about leadership. Is

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sometimes you the deal breaker to do
something or not do something, or something

417
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that moves it from a forty percent
yes to fifty one percent yes. Is

418
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:53.320
to step back and go this is
an opportunity to demonstrate and to help build

419
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the bonds that connect us. Um, it's a little bit of respect,

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it's a little bit of acknowledgement,
and goodness knows, the US Navy and

421
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:10.079
our friends on the Coast Guard really
could use that capability, especially in the

422
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Western Pacific. And I feel shocked
at naw there. I guess if it

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doesn't have an afterburner, they're not
going to advocate for it. But if

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anybody's seen how many sharks there are
in the Western Pacific, you don't want

425
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:27.960
to float around and there for days
on enduntil you die a thirst. You

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00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:30.679
want you want something to can come
pick you up out of range of helicopters

427
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:36.920
and ships. But that would be
a great sign of respect and acknowledgement of

428
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:40.000
the fact they do buy a lot
of American kit If we got a few

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00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:46.000
dozen of those assets that should the
balloon go up, they will not be

430
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under employed. Yeah. And speaking
of respect, I think it's the other

431
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the other group that we have not
always treated well but which we really need

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to embraces, the Philippines. And
uh, I mean we've we've had a

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long relationship with them. It hasn't
always been uh as friendly as we would

434
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like. We left under kind of
a cloud. But but you know we

435
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:20.039
need as as John Conrad has pointed
out, and good for you, John,

436
00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:30.400
U. The Philippine Marriors comprise a
huge percentage of civilian marrors around the

437
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:35.800
world, and they're they're really good
at what they do, and we need

438
00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:44.519
to to help the Philippines allow us
to help those marriners and uh and and

439
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:51.519
work with them to to to make
sure that our country understands how important those

440
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:55.679
marriers are to us and why we
really need to embrace the our relationshship with

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the Philippines as as fermonial as we
can. Yeah, they're they're great.

442
00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:06.159
I mean, there's there's been,
you know, political issues that have made

443
00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:09.000
things a little rough on a nation
and nation basis on occasion, depending upon

444
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:14.480
the personality and the winds. But
as an individual and as a people,

445
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:22.840
the Filipinos are just such great mariners. They're great sailors, and they're great

446
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:30.960
Americans. There's a huge Filipino American
community here in town. It's such a

447
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:36.280
national partnership that really did it didn't
die on the vine, but it really

448
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:39.159
faded. And I don't know where
you could draw the line at, but

449
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I know your generation who were Jo's
at the tail end of the Vietnam War.

450
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I mean, you remember what a
huge presence Filipino Americans and Philippine nationals

451
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had and especially in the US Navy
and on naval bases. And I saw

452
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the tail end of that when I
was a JO in the nineteen nineties.

453
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UM it's not as much of a
presence, especially once our younger sailors now

454
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that at once did. It would
be really interesting to see if we can

455
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:19.679
rekindle that partnership that we would You're
not going to see you recruiting stations propping

456
00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:22.800
up again, but especially if we
were able to find a way to better

457
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:28.840
integrate their civilian mariners, that that
partnership could be rekindled. But they definitely

458
00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:32.400
UM as a nationality and ethnicity,
however you want to look at it,

459
00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:36.800
they did used to be a much
larger presence in our navy. They still

460
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:42.519
are because you look at multigenerational service
in the Navy, that definitely is in

461
00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:47.679
UM in that community. Yeah,
and I'll tell you the shipyard in Civic

462
00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:52.519
Bay was a fantastic facility. I
mean, you could get stuff done there

463
00:40:52.679 --> 00:41:00.400
and and and that would be hard
to have got done it and any shipyard

464
00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:02.400
in the world. This guys were, I mean just great workers, highly

465
00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:07.239
skilled at what they did. And
I've always wondered why when we forced to

466
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:13.760
close down that shipyard. We didn't
try and export as many of those invite

467
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:17.960
as many of those workers as we
could to some of the other shipyards because

468
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:22.519
we were they were they were just
extraordinarily So you know, like when it

469
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:29.199
was the Midway got run into by
a freighter and had a bunch of damage

470
00:41:29.239 --> 00:41:32.920
to it like an elevator, and
uh, I think it's whole port side

471
00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:37.559
got tamed pretty well. You know, they took it back into Subic and

472
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:40.320
within a few weeks they had that
ship back on the line. So uh,

473
00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:46.519
it's just it's just that that was
a great loss. We lost Pacific

474
00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:52.599
Bay, uh Naval Shipyard and the
other facilities there. And uh, I

475
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:57.719
would hope that won't we won't let
that opportunity. If we get a chance

476
00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:00.480
to have a great relationship with us
with the Philippines again, that would be

477
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:05.840
wonderful. But you know a lot
of something, sir, go ahead,

478
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:10.079
go ahead, please, I was
I was going to shift. You know,

479
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:15.800
we were talking about headlines to that
that so much of our our leadership

480
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:20.960
is driven by by things that appear
in the paper. And you're you're pointing

481
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:23.480
out that that when you when you
look at at some of the other,

482
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:30.400
uh, other countries press that they
have a whole different way of looking at

483
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:35.440
the world than than than our media
does. So why don't you talk about

484
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:37.480
that little bit? Because I thought
it was it was interesting we're talking about

485
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:42.760
earlier. Sure, I mean I
I may pay a subscriber to the Washington

486
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:46.119
Post, um, mostly because this
opposition of research for me. Uh,

487
00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:54.480
there there's a there's a certain reality. Um, Washington Post and the New

488
00:42:54.559 --> 00:43:01.559
York Times are a huge influence in
our national conversation. UM, lesser extent

489
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:04.920
to Wall Street Journal. You don't
have to like it, you just have

490
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:07.800
to recognize it. So if you
want to know what a lot of decision

491
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:13.000
makers and policymakers are looking at,
you've you've got to read two out of

492
00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:19.079
the three of those organizations newspapers,
New York Times, Washington Posts, and

493
00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:24.960
Wall Street Journals. UM. Just
to placate myself, I my sacrifice to

494
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:29.320
all is I do not pay for
New York Times, but I do pay

495
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:35.639
for full access to Washington Post,
Wall Street Journal. And uh yeah,

496
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:39.400
because I want to know what people
are that are making these decisions are are

497
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:43.599
reading. And when you look at
the Washington Post, you pull it up,

498
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:47.719
they're talking about Silicon Valley Bank because
a certain socioeconomic group all their friends

499
00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:53.599
are get it. There's there's an
interesting discussion about Arctic protections of an oil

500
00:43:53.639 --> 00:44:00.000
project, not really military. Um
they want to talk about how important callous

501
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:06.800
areas. Give me a break murder. In the final four there's a little

502
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:13.920
bit of discussion about the nuclear sub
deal with with Australia, mostly about Admiral

503
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:16.119
Richardson being paid, which, by
the way, if I was Australia,

504
00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:19.519
I pay him too. That's just
because he's a cno. But he's a

505
00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:21.960
nuke. If you've got to get
a program up and running, talk to

506
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:25.280
somebody who's running. He's a reactors
guy. I have no problem with him.

507
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:29.840
I don't think it's cash out.
And of course the usual stuff talking

508
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:39.559
about pop culture. Now when you
go over to France twenty four they're English

509
00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:45.760
side of the house, you get
a very different equation dominating not just above

510
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:51.480
the fold. That uses up fourth
fists of the page is about the Chmut

511
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:59.960
offensive in Ukraine. It talks about
Italy season, migrants in the Mediterranean,

512
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:02.199
and if you do look at the
Washington Post, there is a small article

513
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:07.559
about people die in at sea trying
to get to San Diego by sea.

514
00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:12.880
And of course if you go over
to the BBC every day there's an article

515
00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:15.599
about their lack of enforcement of the
channel. Something we could do an entire

516
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:19.199
show just on that, which I
think we have in the past. But

517
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:28.239
it talks about Israel, it talks
about a little bit of the problem with

518
00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:35.440
the snow in California. But there's
three articles on China, there's more about

519
00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:37.639
Ukraine. This it's just a much
more of an international focus. Now.

520
00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:43.360
The argument could be will Francis on
the continent exist and so forth? In

521
00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:49.119
twenty twenty three, the Atlantic is
a ditch the way time travels and aircraft

522
00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:53.840
travels. You know, heck,
if you if you follow on Twitter live

523
00:45:53.920 --> 00:46:00.239
tracker, we had a B fifty
two today. It flew from the US,

524
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:07.039
entered the Baltic Sea, went right
up to Russian airspace. Kind of

525
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:10.840
funny. Somebody made the comment about
they they blew their exhausted into Russian airspace,

526
00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:15.679
which it was pretty tight, and
then it flew over the Baltic Republics,

527
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:22.599
went down the Soilhoste Gap and then
proceeded onto the Balkans. There's a

528
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:32.360
lot of there's no reason why what
I derisively called the Imperial Capitals newspaper record

529
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:37.639
should should so ill inform people about
the world. When a medium power like

530
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:44.400
France, you go look at their
website and it's much more international focused.

531
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:51.639
It's the Washington Post is one of
the first places to complain. You know.

532
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:57.000
They do these like National Geographic in
nineteen fifty five going into the Amazon

533
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:00.800
to look at tribes and occasionally send
a report order to West Virginia or Alabama

534
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:06.119
to go look at their nation.
They like to talk about the ignorance of

535
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:09.800
the American people and how shortsighted we
are. Well, they need to heal

536
00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:17.360
myself. If we have a lot
of people in their primary readership, who

537
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:22.000
if they rely on the Washington Times, not the Washington Time, have Fortia

538
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:25.239
slip Washington Post to inform the world
form, Yeah, they're going to be

539
00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:31.760
ignorant. It's just it's very frustrating
to me the difference that the newspaper record

540
00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:39.599
in our capital is versus other peoples
whose nations arguably don't have but a fraction

541
00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:45.119
of the international influence ours do.
And ignorant populace, ignorant decision makers and

542
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:50.119
ignorance and lawmakers does not make for
a good policy. So yeah, I

543
00:47:50.199 --> 00:47:52.199
kind of live on a little bit
of a rant there. How do you

544
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:58.760
fix it? I don't know.
I'm not in the media business. Yeah,

545
00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:01.440
but you know how to fix it? I mean, bezos, he

546
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:08.639
owns the Washington Post and his leadership
should be you know, to if he

547
00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:13.559
wants to influence public opinion. Let's
just let's assume that that. Let's go

548
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:16.400
back to the you know, the
the purposes of papers as they used to

549
00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:21.119
as they used to work before they
became you know, one paper per town.

550
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:23.039
There used to be a lots of
papers. Uh. You know,

551
00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:30.559
he wants to influence public opinion,
Well, he were good and influence being

552
00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:36.800
public opinion if he would help educate
the public about the issues that are you

553
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:39.440
know why the issues are so so
important now he you know, people say,

554
00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:44.519
well, nobody pays attention to you
know, people do pay attention to

555
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:46.639
what is presented to him if it's
presented to him an interesting way. So

556
00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:53.400
if if the issues of that the
the national issues of what happens when you

557
00:48:53.480 --> 00:49:04.239
drain the petroleum strategic patroleum reserve?
What does that do to uh A our

558
00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:07.480
strategic position in the world. You
know, those types of issues that need

559
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:12.679
to be explored in depth. I
don't see that kind of coverage except it

560
00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:17.199
seems to me on somebody's sub stack
post or on the occasional blog. I

561
00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:22.599
don't know where those stories go if
they're if they're not being covered in in

562
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:25.880
what should be our national media.
As you say, and you know,

563
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:31.360
they Washing Post and the New York
Times pride themselves on their leadership, but

564
00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:38.280
their issues are all um are not
necessarily in tune with the people who would

565
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:43.519
who would read them if they were
actually interested, instead of presenting some some

566
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:50.440
what is the word insular view of
of of what is important. So you

567
00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:52.920
know, I appreciate there are people
who have a lot of different opinions about

568
00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:59.239
transgenderism, but I don't think that
in the great scheme of things, it's

569
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:04.519
important. But it's you know,
it's not as vital as gosh, as

570
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:09.679
our navy Air Force big enough?
Are they big enough to deal with this?

571
00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:15.480
Uh? This a threat from China? And can you present that realistically?

572
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:19.199
So so folks on both sides could
argue the issue, you know,

573
00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:22.239
you know, I don't want the
paper to represent only my view. I

574
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:25.320
want the issues to be brought out
so that we can have a public debate

575
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:29.519
about this stuff instead of well,
you know, I read in the Washington

576
00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:32.039
Post, so that's all I have
to know where I heard it on NPR.

577
00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:37.280
That's all I have to know.
Are you know the whole function of

578
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:38.880
our society, the whole way we
set up our setate no House, was

579
00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:45.159
to allow debate and have these national
issues raised. And they're not helped by

580
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:52.159
by these at myopic media pieces.
In a classic example of that, I'll

581
00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:55.480
just beat up on the Washington Post
because we all need hobbies. But anybody

582
00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:59.039
can do that. They can go
over I don't know if you have to

583
00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:01.400
be a paid subscriber to do this
or not, but if you do,

584
00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:05.239
just you just go over there and
hit their search button. And a lot

585
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:07.440
of them we talked today about China. We haven't used the T word,

586
00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:15.000
not trans Taiwan. Ultimately, it's
all about Taiwan. So you know,

587
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:17.559
go ahead and he searched Taiwan and
one, two, three, four or

588
00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:22.119
five six things come up on my
iPad when you do that. Of over

589
00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:27.360
the last six days, so basic
average, one one a day, one

590
00:51:27.400 --> 00:51:31.599
a day. Something about Taiwan leaks
on to the Washington Post. Of those,

591
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:37.079
two of them actually tie into a
conversation we had last week. Washington

592
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:39.760
Post listens to mid Rats. I
guess it talks about the outer islands on

593
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:45.360
Taiwan. Somebody cut their cables so
they didn't have internet. So a couple

594
00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:49.000
of islands off Taiwan had their cables
cut under the water and they lost their

595
00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:54.079
internet. So mark one up for
mid Rats, you know. I although

596
00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:58.480
if we should take credit of it
four, but why not. Besides that,

597
00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:01.679
there's an article which I okay,
good on them from a couple of

598
00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:07.239
days ago about speaker McCarthy not going
to visit Taiwan but instead we'll meet him

599
00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:15.639
in California. Taiwan is one of
four things mentioned at a hearing up the

600
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:22.960
Hill, and the other two are
about baseball. It we talked about the

601
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:29.639
Philippines before and talk about back to
the future. A guy I served with

602
00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:34.719
who was a year group ahead of
mean great individual. His father. I

603
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:37.480
think I'm getting this right. His
father was in the US Air Force,

604
00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:45.360
met his wife when he was stationed
in the had to be early early sixties

605
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:53.679
in Taiwan. His mom was originally
from Taiwan, and there used to be

606
00:52:53.880 --> 00:53:00.519
quite the military president in Taiwan,
and that's, you know, something that

607
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:05.239
I don't know who's going to break
the seal on that where more and more

608
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:09.639
Americans go there to exercise, maybe
to be stationed at some point. There

609
00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:15.880
was a survey that's been going on
in Taiwan. The graph that I saw

610
00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:21.760
went back to nineteen ninety four and
it talks about independence, and it's a

611
00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:25.119
pretty pretty interesting one where they say, do you want independence now? Do

612
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you want to maintain the status quo
work towards independence? Do you want to

613
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:35.639
join with China now? Do you
want to maintain the status quo and then

614
00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:38.119
eventually join China or do you just
want to maintain the status quo? And

615
00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:42.039
they got a couple of other things
on it, and it's interesting how it

616
00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:47.440
has tracked the national mood in Taiwan. And when you look at unification with

617
00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:54.239
mainland China either immediately are eventually with
a status quo. Since nineteen ninety four,

618
00:53:54.480 --> 00:54:00.000
those two combined have gone from twenty
percent down to six percent. And

619
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:06.719
inversely, those that say I want
independence now or I want to maintain the

620
00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:12.719
status quo but work towards independence has
gone from ten to thirty percent. The

621
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:19.039
status quo hasn't changed that much.
From forty eight percent to fifty seven percent

622
00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:22.599
want the status quo, and to
consider, the status quo is pretty much

623
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:32.360
independent of mainland China. So that's
eighty seven percent of the Taiwanese don't want

624
00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:37.320
to have anything to do with China. So does that change? It takes

625
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:45.039
two to tango. But if this
whole thing revolves around keeping the People's Republic

626
00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:52.599
of China but from having ownership and
the largest aircraft carrier athwart Japan's sea lines

627
00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:59.880
of communication, then when do we
take the next step in our partnership?

628
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:04.039
And should we take that next step
of the partnership. I think that's an

629
00:55:04.039 --> 00:55:07.960
open question. I can argue both
sides. But when you're looking, just

630
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:13.119
like we had to wait politically for
the environment to be right in the Philippines

631
00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:16.519
for us to move closer to each
other, hopefully this time with a more

632
00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:24.400
respect respectful and equitable relationship, when
will that card in Taiwan be pulled?

633
00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:32.559
Because the Taiwanese are in a way
very similar to the Singaporees um. They

634
00:55:32.920 --> 00:55:37.199
are their own distinct culture, but
they're Western adjacent just like the Japanese or

635
00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:44.440
Western adjacent UM they're turnkey and being
able to work closely together. I guess

636
00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:49.119
the argument is is is the risk
worth the reward or the other way around.

637
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:58.320
That's a I mean, it's a
it's a complicated issue that again,

638
00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:02.159
you know, we we there may
be discussions being held in the in the

639
00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:07.159
halls of Congress and it's maybe them
we're been closed session or whatever. But

640
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:12.760
you know, with somebody has got
to step up and and and and lead

641
00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:17.760
instead of the we've got. We've
given so many mixed messages just I can

642
00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:22.280
just think in the last few months, I mean, the messages of of

643
00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:24.960
the Speaker of the House going to
visit, the messages of oh yeah,

644
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:29.320
well world defend them. Oh way, I didn't you know the President mistated

645
00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:31.639
when he said that. I mean, uh, there is a there is

646
00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:39.239
a certain um quality, I guess
of keeping an ambivalent policy if you can.

647
00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:45.239
But I'm not sure that that.
Sometimes you just have to say,

648
00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:51.559
yeah, we're you know, we're
gonna we'll do what we have to do.

649
00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:57.039
And uh so you just you just
you don't don't do anything silly.

650
00:56:57.440 --> 00:57:05.199
China so well, they had a
wonderful, free and fair election. So

651
00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:12.000
Chairman g I always told I mispronounced
that he's been reelected with was it one

652
00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:15.440
hundred percent or ninety eight point seven
percent? I don't know what it is,

653
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:17.679
but it's it's a miracle. He
and Putin need to get together as

654
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:25.719
the only massively re elected to politicians
in the face of the planet, one

655
00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:34.039
of the Kim except for the Kim
current Kim and Korea North Korea Today's present

656
00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:37.960
quick not again. Maybe it's just
me. I don't know, but one

657
00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:46.920
of the least persuasive pushbacks I've heard
about US support for Ukraine has been that

658
00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:52.599
it's driving Russia and China closer together. I'm sorry, they're already in bed

659
00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:57.920
with each other. I mean,
dragon bear is not a new concept there,

660
00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:02.480
you know, b r C the
countries Russia and China is in there.

661
00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:07.039
India doesn't much like them, and
Brazil is the nation of the future,

662
00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:13.360
has been and always will be.
But isn't of course, China and

663
00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:20.599
Russia are going to be closer together. They're international pariahs, and I mean

664
00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:25.800
does China besides maybe Near and mar
which I still prefer to call Burma,

665
00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:31.639
but I've been informed I'm not allowed
to do that. Maybe as a friend

666
00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:37.199
or OHI maybe Cambodia. I don't
know. But China doesn't have any friends

667
00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:40.199
because she's not very friendly. Again, it goes back to that mutual respect

668
00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:45.800
thing that comes with the leadership in
the international community that they're not too good

669
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:52.559
at. At the Munich Conference,
supposedly, I only saw two articles about

670
00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:57.440
it. But the Chinese did not
make friends at the Munich Security Conference.

671
00:58:57.440 --> 00:59:00.840
But I don't think they feel like
they need to make friends, um,

672
00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:05.039
which which is unfortunate, but that's
okay. It plays to our advantage.

673
00:59:05.079 --> 00:59:10.079
But yeah, I'm not I'm not
too worried about any type of Chinese Russian

674
00:59:10.840 --> 00:59:17.440
partnership. It's already there. Yeah, I agree, And you know,

675
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:22.760
China, the only the only difficulty
I see is a China Russian I have

676
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:27.599
to decide who is the center of
the universe and and who should be countowing

677
00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:34.079
to whom so um, you know, China. China's view of the world

678
00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:39.280
is is is thousands of years old, and regardless of whether they call themselves

679
00:59:39.639 --> 00:59:44.519
a communist country or whatever you know, it is it is. We are

680
00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:50.920
the we are the Middle Kingdom.
Everybody owes us some kind of obessience.

681
00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:53.840
That's the right word. Anyway,
uh, whatever the right word is.

682
00:59:54.039 --> 01:00:00.679
They want they want to the old
ways back. And we have run on

683
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:07.159
our mouth for another whole hour.
My gosh, amazing how that works.

684
01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:14.360
We had a we had a real
active chat room because I don't like to

685
01:00:14.400 --> 01:00:16.639
read the chat room while I talk
because I already have a hard enough time

686
01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:22.039
speaking English as it is. So
we had a real active chat room today.

687
01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:23.519
So that was great. I appreciate
all of y'all. Way and end,

688
01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:29.639
it did steal a couple of your
ideas. And it has been another

689
01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:32.320
quick hour, and I guess we'll
let everybody get on with your day.

690
01:00:34.159 --> 01:00:38.159
Yeah. I apologize for those of
you who are headed to the selection show

691
01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:45.719
for the NCAAF ncable a March Madness
stuff, because I know you've started six

692
01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:49.000
man. After all, the high
prior won't be nothing to be known until

693
01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:52.519
six thirty. But I don't have
a For some reason, that chat does

694
01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:54.599
not work for me. I'm gonna
have to to look into why that's not

695
01:00:54.679 --> 01:00:58.840
working. So I apologize for not
being in there because I usually get a

696
01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:02.960
lot of greats from the people who
do show up. So anyway, everybody

697
01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:08.320
gonna have a great day. We're
gonna we're gonna have a guest again.

698
01:01:08.320 --> 01:01:15.159
One we do. We have a
couple of guests lined up that have had

699
01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:17.880
to shift to the right for reasons
that you'll find out when we when we

700
01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:22.719
have them as our guests. And
unfortunately, and this will be a topic

701
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:29.920
we'll do an other time the well, I'm not going to say that.

702
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:35.320
Um, it can be a challenge
for some individuals to be able to come

703
01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:45.000
on and speak and talk about even
relatively benign topics because there is there are

704
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:46.960
some restraints to constraints. So I'd
go out there for those that are in

705
01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:52.679
positions of leadership and management, my
two cents is one of the best ways

706
01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:59.639
you can show respect and you can
show trust and confidence in your junior personnel,

707
01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:02.760
especially in the NaSTA security space.
Let them get out there and write,

708
01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:07.119
let them get out there and speak, let them come out and be

709
01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:13.480
part of the discourse. Well,
whatever fear you have, it's it's unfounded.

710
01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:17.920
We have great individuals with great ideas
that really can contribute to the conversation

711
01:02:19.639 --> 01:02:22.800
that aren't in a place to do
that. We've talked about this for over

712
01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:28.480
a decade here on mid Rats,
but just an opportunity to remind because from

713
01:02:28.519 --> 01:02:35.320
what I've seen incidentally, that aperture
are starting to tighten again where they don't

714
01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:37.360
want people to get out there.
And there's just a few people who are

715
01:02:37.400 --> 01:02:42.280
in different areas that have a leadership
to understand that. So if you're on

716
01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:45.159
the fence with somebody, trust your
subordinates to go out there and be a

717
01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:50.760
conversation. Nine percent chance they're going
to make you proud, and they're going

718
01:02:50.800 --> 01:02:54.280
to make our services look great because
when they get out there and speak on

719
01:02:54.320 --> 01:03:00.800
topics, are right on topics,
the American public will feel better about the

720
01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:04.480
people who they trusted their securities.
And that's my soapbox. And until next

721
01:03:04.519 --> 01:03:07.840
time, I hope everybody has a
great Navy day. I will see you

722
01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:22.199
soon. Cheers Mamma money, having
Patty a king like my lonely want to

723
01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:30.960
marry me and not believed that all
your being to blame my love family to

724
01:03:31.079 --> 01:03:43.760
old messy faulting your the team.
It's a long way. It's a long

725
01:03:43.880 --> 01:04:00.679
way. It's a long way to
I don't by godly well, let's talk.

726
01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:08.840
Well, it's a long long way
to get my Ron. It's but my heart