WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:07.360 This it's the two seventeen Recovery Podcast with Corey Winfield. No, but you 2 00:00:07.400 --> 00:00:10.119 gotta laugh and you gotta have fun in recovery. That's what we do here. 3 00:00:10.199 --> 00:00:15.880 The most Adam Stevens possibilities nowadays. I mean everything's a possibility to me 4 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:18.920 nowadays. With everything going on, I don't think how you can rule anything 5 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:23.199 out. And Mitchell old Brian the person I had with me was a felon 6 00:00:23.239 --> 00:00:25.760 and I didn't know I couldn't have my own guns in the trunk. Well, 7 00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:34.640 no you can't. It is the eleventh of December twenty twenty three. 8 00:00:34.759 --> 00:00:39.079 My name is Corey Winfield and as you heard, I'm joined by two guests. 9 00:00:39.560 --> 00:00:45.679 I'm joined by Adam Stevens. How are you Adam Dingdon and Mitchell O'Brien. 10 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:49.280 Mitchell, how are you fabulous? Nice? And need it? Yeah, 11 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:53.479 we are missing fabulous in this podcast. Just to burk but we all 12 00:00:53.560 --> 00:00:57.359 took a little trip today. We went down to Grand Rapids. Do you 13 00:00:57.439 --> 00:01:00.479 have to think about that? Trip was fun? It was it was good. 14 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:03.479 I liked it. It was a lot more fun on the way there. 15 00:01:03.520 --> 00:01:07.040 I think, well we did the it was good. The little not 16 00:01:07.159 --> 00:01:12.400 karaoke, but request song requests, and then actually getting to check out what 17 00:01:12.439 --> 00:01:17.040 we got to check out was was good. I liked it. You know, 18 00:01:17.079 --> 00:01:19.040 we'll talk about touring. Guiding Light is where we went in Grand Rapids. 19 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:23.439 We'll talk about that in just a second. But first, what brought 20 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:30.000 on the game of playing DJ? I don't remember. I don't either. 21 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:36.079 I think you just asked. I think you just asked us out of the 22 00:01:36.079 --> 00:01:44.439 blue, maybe just the second time. The second topic came from what we 23 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:49.200 were doing. Yeah, yeah, we had we were doing the I thought, 24 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:52.159 yeah, I thought you were just there all of a sudden like hey, 25 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:55.560 let's do this. And then all of a sudden Adam did a recovery 26 00:01:55.680 --> 00:02:01.560 song and then whoa, actually both it was a transition because it was both. 27 00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:06.879 Yeah. No, I think it was justin that said let's play this 28 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:09.080 game, because clearly me as the boss man, would never do this. 29 00:02:09.080 --> 00:02:14.280 This probably is illegal, and I don't know, but somehow it was like 30 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:16.759 sum up your love life or your sex life or something like that in a 31 00:02:16.879 --> 00:02:22.599 song, describe your sex life in a song. And then I know we 32 00:02:22.639 --> 00:02:25.280 started with here we go again on my own, there's one before that? 33 00:02:25.479 --> 00:02:30.960 Which one was the one before that? I think that was Justin's first one. 34 00:02:31.080 --> 00:02:40.639 That was Hurricane. It just beat it and then it got two Mysterious 35 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:46.719 Ways by you two and then enter Sandman the Metallica and then it went Rolling 36 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:53.960 Stones. No, I didn't go to the Stones yet. What was Justin's 37 00:02:53.000 --> 00:03:00.639 second Yeah, hmmm, it wasn't Man Eater. They all know it wasn't 38 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:07.439 that song. I can't remember, so I thought the first one was that 39 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:13.000 it's been a while now that's stained. I think that was the joke you 40 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:16.840 started it all. Hmmm, yeah, because I did throw a stain joke 41 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:22.439 out there about something. But I can't remember a second one. I feel 42 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:28.120 like it was a song that I didn't know, like like I don't know 43 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:32.680 why rap or whatever something some but I prevail or that was a recovery song. 44 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:37.479 Yeah, that was a recovery song. Yeah, well, sorry, 45 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:40.159 Justin, we weren't paying attention to your sex life that much. But then 46 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:45.520 yeah, then it went to you can't always get what you want, and 47 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:51.639 then it was supposed to be either crazy or amazing by Aerosmith, and then 48 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:54.039 we went amazing and then you were like, that's actually my recovery song too. 49 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:57.360 You know, it's a good one. And when you said that, 50 00:03:57.439 --> 00:03:59.520 I was like, Okay, let's listen, because I don't think I've ever 51 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:01.319 listened to that song with that in mind. And I did, and I 52 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:05.680 was like, dude, that's clearly a song they that Steven Tyler wrote about 53 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:11.360 recovery. Yeah, and that's how I felt the first time too, because 54 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:13.960 I as a kid listening to it all the time, you just think it's 55 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:17.399 about relationships or some kind of love or whatever, and yeah, it just 56 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:21.519 adds up perfectly whatever trifling they had in the video with him. You know, 57 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:26.160 it's like, okay, because I love it with some of the videos 58 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:29.439 for that, but yeah, if you actually listen to the song, you're 59 00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:31.720 just like, whoa, that's what he's That's definitely what he's talking about, 60 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:35.839 right. And that's the thing when it says when when the moment arrives and 61 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:40.240 you know you'll be all right, it's like I get teary every time, 62 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:42.639 you know, like because that moment. I think a lot of us can 63 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:45.920 think of moments like that where it's just like a turn, you know, 64 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:51.639 and yeah, feeling solid about stuff and yeah, but we go so long 65 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:55.040 thinking that's never gonna happen. It's never gonna happen, and we've tried so 66 00:04:55.040 --> 00:05:00.920 many times and different ways, and then when it does click and it turns 67 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:02.839 yeah, it is amazing and you're just like, oh my god, it 68 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:10.560 finally happened. Yeah, like having certain things happened in your life for the 69 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:14.959 first time, like yeah, going to the dentist, not going to die 70 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:19.040 a virgin. That was about sex, Mitch, let's talking about sex. 71 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:26.680 I almost got beat up by this kid for snoring, but I was like 72 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:30.079 four times the size, so I mean, yeah, all right, Mitch, 73 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:32.480 thanks for that. I didn't have anything to do with talking about stuff, 74 00:05:32.480 --> 00:05:38.680 and it's not really pertinent. I was born with mine, but I'm 75 00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:43.560 I can identify it now, Okay, mit, that's great. Anything else, 76 00:05:43.800 --> 00:05:47.240 I watered all of the plants, all of it. Okay, Okay, 77 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:51.319 we get it, buddy. Anything else, you're good, I'm good, 78 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:55.680 Okay good. So yeah, so that became kind of fun though. 79 00:05:55.720 --> 00:05:58.600 It was, you know, just some goofiness on our way down there, 80 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:01.519 and then turned into recovery stuff on the way down there, which was really 81 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:04.120 good and we were all kind of on the same page. We get to 82 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:08.439 Grand Rapids, which apparently they want you to pay for parking, but they 83 00:06:08.519 --> 00:06:12.600 don't want you to pay for parking. It's such a dilemma. We're down 84 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:17.639 there on Division Street and they have these little what do you call them meters? 85 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:21.560 Yeah, parking meter, parking stick or something that you park next too, 86 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:24.600 and it has a number on it, and there's like download the app. 87 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:28.480 So we download the app and put all the stuff in. It's like, 88 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:30.000 payment doesn't work. I'm like, oh, it's because it's run credit 89 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:33.240 card. Put another one in. Payment doesn't work, do another one even 90 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:39.240 Apple pay payment doesn't work. Let's just go to the freaking meter thing and 91 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:42.439 pay. So we go to the meter, which is about a block or 92 00:06:42.439 --> 00:06:46.839 two down. It's forever, it'll walk, and we get to this stupid 93 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:50.040 meter thing and put in all the stuff. Credit card. Nope, it's 94 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:54.079 not even moving. It's not saying take your card and removie card. Put 95 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:57.399 it back in harder, deeper, faster, slower. It's saying nothing. 96 00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:01.360 And so we try again with a different card. Nothing. And then I'm 97 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:05.120 like, well, I'm afraid to even put cash in this thing. And 98 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:10.959 then I think Mitch or Justin one of you guys said, oh, well, 99 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:14.759 it doesn't take cash. It only takes coins, and really people just 100 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:17.879 walk around Grand Rapids. Apparently people walking around Grand Rapids are not walking around 101 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:21.839 driving around. They just driving around with coins. And I was just I 102 00:07:21.959 --> 00:07:26.399 was willing to take the ticket and fight them. I will. I will 103 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:30.399 fight somebody over something that's wrong, and I'll gladly mail them their three dollars 104 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:33.000 and fifteen cents. I would have, but I'm not going to take a 105 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:38.079 ticket for that. I couldn't do it. Not when you're shit ain't working. 106 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:41.000 There's probably a camera of the cot you try and oh yeah, I'm 107 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:45.160 sure there was. I surprise you guys weren't filming it. You should have. 108 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:47.319 I did that in that mode. I did that in Travers last winter. 109 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:54.519 I tried to stop and see my brother at the guitar shop and I 110 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:58.600 went in and I tried to at the meter, tried to use the card 111 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:01.279 thing. It's like flip it around. I'm like, okay, well i'll 112 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:03.680 put it in wrong, so do it again, and it's like flip it 113 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:07.199 around. I'm like wait. So I literally did it every single way. 114 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:11.879 My card would go in there backwards, forwards, every single way, and 115 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:15.120 then it just wouldn't work. So I was like, okay, I'm gonna 116 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:20.439 start this process again while I record it. Then I'm gonna not pay, 117 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:24.279 and if I get a ticket, I'm gonna I'm gonna fight it. And 118 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:33.200 I didn't get a ticket. Yeah, they're gonna tell me, but I 119 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:35.679 don't know. But we get in there and we go into gutting Light. 120 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:41.080 We're a little early, I think, earlier than they expected us. But 121 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:45.960 it was fine, better early than late, right, And so they tell 122 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:48.559 me that I can park in their back lot things. So I did. 123 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:54.000 So we didn't get a ticket or anything, but we go in there and 124 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:58.840 we met with Seth and Dan. They kind of took us around and showed 125 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:03.360 us half of the facility before lunch, and then they invited us to eat 126 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:07.879 lunch with them, and it was grilled cheese and tomato, soup, salad. 127 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:11.200 You know, it was decent lunch. Justin enjoyed it. I didn't 128 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:13.720 eat mine very much because I was talking way too much. I started doing 129 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:16.879 that I realized everyone else was done, and I was like, Okay, 130 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:22.600 I'm gonna gotta finish this here yourself. But no, they prepared the guys 131 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:24.480 to go, hey, look, you know we're going to put a guest 132 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:31.080 sticker or tab or name plate whatever next to them, and I guess they 133 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:33.639 said, hey, these two seventeen people are coming down from Travers City and 134 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:35.519 they're gonna have lunch with you, you know, like thinking of some questions 135 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:41.279 that you might have for them, and so they were asking me some questions, 136 00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:43.440 you know, and it was it was pretty cool to get to explain 137 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:46.919 what to seventeen recovery is, what that's all about. Adam. I think 138 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:50.399 you sat with you know, people that were I'm using air quotes here, 139 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:56.600 clients and people that are you know, in there and trying to do their 140 00:09:56.639 --> 00:10:01.000 thing. And Mitch, you sat with staff members, two staff members and 141 00:10:01.039 --> 00:10:05.799 a client. Yep. I got to set with I'm going to call him 142 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:11.279 the intake guy, and so that was pretty cool. Did any of the 143 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:18.840 tables? Was there only four tables? I think there were more four or 144 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:22.399 five tables of people at them. Gotcha, there are more tables than that, 145 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:28.200 but have people at them. It was interesting though, and the questions 146 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:33.360 that they were asking. And I went through Guiding Light at one point in 147 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:35.399 my journey, and if you hear my mom tell it, she'd be like, 148 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:37.399 oh, you hated that place, And of course I did. I 149 00:10:37.399 --> 00:10:41.200 wasn't in the right mindset, you know, and she's like, why would 150 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:43.120 you ever go to back to that place? And It's like, again, 151 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:48.240 I was not in the right headspace. And sometimes people will tell you along 152 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:50.159 the way things you don't want to hear, you know, And that was 153 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:52.440 huge for me. I didn't want to hear that I was a mama's boy. 154 00:10:52.519 --> 00:10:54.960 You know, I knew I was a mama's boy. You know. 155 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:58.039 That didn't hurt my feelings or anything. But as I told the people that, 156 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:01.559 you know, was Seth and Dan that were giving us the tour today, 157 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:05.559 like if Brian didn't pull me in, you know, to the room 158 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:07.840 and they were talking to me, and I was like, all right, 159 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:11.000 I'm out of here. My siatica was going crazy. And that was and 160 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:15.759 that was something I used to drink a lot, you know, the siatic 161 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:18.279 pain. I mean, it's bad. Nothing touches it. I don't care 162 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:20.159 what pills you give me that it's not going to help. I'm just screwed. 163 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:22.480 And the only way to get to sleep, I thought, was to 164 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:28.279 just drink myself to sleep. So that was hurting really bad, and I 165 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:28.960 was kind of worried about it. And I was like man, it doesn't 166 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:31.759 need to get any worse. But again, I would have used probably any 167 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:35.120 excuse at that point. And there was another dude in there, and I'm 168 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:37.440 like, oh, they kicked him out, unfair and I don't know why 169 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:41.919 they kicked him out, And again that's sound of my business, so I 170 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:43.720 would use that, like, oh, I didn't like that place, and 171 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:46.879 they kicked this other guy out who didn't deserve it. I don't know what 172 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:50.440 was sent to that guy, you know, but the guy did try to 173 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:52.480 get me to stay. This other guy that ended up getting kicked out, 174 00:11:52.679 --> 00:11:54.519 and he was like, you don't need to leave, you know, just 175 00:11:54.519 --> 00:11:56.519 stick it out. And I was like, dude, the pain is going 176 00:11:56.519 --> 00:11:58.600 down my leg. It's just too much. I can't deal with it. 177 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:01.879 And then they came out and talked to me, but they pulled me in 178 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:03.440 this room, you know, and they're like, hey, look, you 179 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:05.279 know, you know, why are you going to go home? You know, 180 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:09.080 your mama's boy. You don't like to work out? What are you 181 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:11.879 doing? And it's like, well, that's not kind of really what happened. 182 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:16.399 It's my back hurts and I can't really do your crazy military style workout, 183 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:18.639 you know, and my doctor said that I should walk, and that's 184 00:12:18.679 --> 00:12:20.840 why I went to the walking machine because they were like another thing. They're 185 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:24.120 like, we're gonna punish you, and you got to clean the bathroom, 186 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:26.600 right. I was like okay, And for what They're like, well, 187 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:30.120 because you weren't working out with the guys and you went to do your own 188 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:31.519 thing. And I was like, wellyahcause I'm not going in there to hurt 189 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:35.039 my stuff anymore. And he guys paying for my back surgery, I don't 190 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:37.360 think so I'm just trying to take it easy here. And they're like, 191 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:39.279 oh, so you're a doctor. I'm like, no, that's what my 192 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:43.080 doctor told me. He said walking helps it. So that's why I went 193 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:46.360 to the walking machine. It's not like I just sat in there staring at 194 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:50.159 chicks or something. But when they, you know, brought me in there 195 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:52.200 like the Mama's boy thing, I was like, no, there's another guy 196 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:54.200 in there that I had told that I would help them with, you know, 197 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:56.759 public speaking and like doing stuff like that, if you you know, 198 00:12:56.759 --> 00:13:00.759 help me with a workout regiment, because I wanted to work out, I 199 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:05.960 really did, but I just didn't work out there. And he had said, 200 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:07.799 oh, you're a mama's boy, you know. But I was like, 201 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:11.600 yeah, I am. But later on, when I was in a 202 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:15.399 treatment center, and that's the thing about if you're going to treatment centers, 203 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:18.559 if you're you know, going to multiple if you've relapsed over and over and 204 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:22.279 you're going to different ones, you know, take a little bit from each 205 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:26.720 one that you go to because you're going to learn stuff about yourself and you're 206 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:28.720 going to put it into play later. You might not get it this time, 207 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:33.000 you might not get it next time. But when I started digging into 208 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:35.600 okay, what's really wrong with me? When I had a chance to go 209 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:37.919 to a place and I couldn't leave early, and I'm stuck and I'm in 210 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:39.840 there, and I'm like, all right, well I'm going to try to 211 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:43.240 find out what's wrong with me? What is my deal? I got to 212 00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:46.879 dig deep here. And when I started digging deep, I realized, Okay, 213 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:50.480 abandonment issues, you know, and and stuff like that, and your 214 00:13:50.519 --> 00:13:54.960 issues are your issues. But what I have thought about that, if you 215 00:13:54.960 --> 00:13:56.519 know, I wasn't called the mama's boy or whatever. I don't know, 216 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:01.600 you know, because I started That's when I atually counted how many treatment centers 217 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:03.200 I've been to and how many times it's been a treatment that's I kind of 218 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:07.080 went through my mind each one of them. You know, it kind of 219 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:09.639 played it back because like if you ever watched Survivor, at the very last 220 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:15.399 episode, they'll go through and they'll go to everybody who's got their torches snuffed 221 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:16.320 out, and they'll be like, oh, remember this guy, we liked 222 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:18.960 him, Like yeah, you like them so much you voted his ass out 223 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:22.559 first, But yeah, that's real cool. But it was kind of like 224 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:24.639 that, like going through each one, like okay, this one, that 225 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:26.639 one, this one, that one, this one, and you know, 226 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:31.080 looking back at it, I think gotting light it was it would have been 227 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:33.799 a good thing for me. I don't I don't know how it would have 228 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:35.600 ben if my sat I couldn't act up, because that really was a huge 229 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:39.840 I was like ninety eight percent of it, And like I said, any 230 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:43.519 excuse I would have used, but that one was kind of a big deal 231 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:46.720 and I really didn't want to go through all that pain again. And it 232 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:50.720 did look like the working out was a big part of what they do. 233 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:52.879 So yeah, I mean, you know, most places you go there's a 234 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:58.360 gem and you use it if you want but yeah, this place, you 235 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:01.000 know, that's part of the regimen, so yeah, it was kind of 236 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:03.720 required that you're going there. And it was a crazy you know, it 237 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:07.039 was. It was a crazy workout. You know. It was like one 238 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:09.960 of those CrossFit things or you're jumping up, down, up now, grab 239 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:11.799 the ball, roll around, flip back over and I'm like, I can't 240 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:16.080 move because my back and they're like, you should have put that under your 241 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:18.720 intake thing. I'm like, I did. I told you about it. 242 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:22.679 I upfront about that, like real clear about that. Because anybody was sadic 243 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:24.919 pain, they know, man, when it goes down your leg, like, 244 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:26.879 and it was starting to creep down, and it's like, man, 245 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:31.559 when it goes down the leg, it's I had just constant pain. And 246 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:35.679 then before for it was like six to nine months. I can't remember which 247 00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:37.480 one it was. I mean, I know there's a huge difference there, 248 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:41.759 but it was it was just pain, constant, not going away, and 249 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:45.559 I was doing physical therapy all that stuff, and nothing really helped it. 250 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:46.919 But you had to have it start going down your leg. It's like, 251 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:50.720 no way, I got to go. But I think what kind of like 252 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:56.399 does though, is huge for people in recovery. It's a program that they 253 00:15:56.440 --> 00:16:02.320 get. They're funded first of all with private donations, you know, and 254 00:16:02.360 --> 00:16:06.000 that and I want to say opens the door to a lot more, but 255 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:08.120 I don't want to offend other treatment centers. But there's stuff that they can 256 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:11.720 do. They's stuff that they don't have to do. You know. It's 257 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:12.919 kind of like, here's our program, this is what we're going to do. 258 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:15.960 The community is behind us. They agree with it. They like what 259 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:19.480 we're doing. We're going to keep doing this, and no one's going to 260 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:22.720 tell them no, you know, no one's going to say you can't take 261 00:16:22.759 --> 00:16:26.799 those guys and change their lives. You can't do this for eight months, 262 00:16:27.519 --> 00:16:33.720 you know. Their their program starts out with we'll just say it's a back 263 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:36.799 in my day, it was two weeks. It took me, but they 264 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:40.559 say it's three to five day process where people are kind of upfront in the 265 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:42.879 building. They're not really a part of the program yet, but they're they're 266 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:45.919 allowed to kind of check it out from AFAR to say are you going to 267 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:48.879 commit to this? Because that's what they really want you to commit to it. 268 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:53.759 And if it all works out and you go to the back, they 269 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:57.559 call it and you're actually in the program. It's a four month program where 270 00:16:57.559 --> 00:17:02.080 you're working on yourself. You're not allowed to get a job. So is 271 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:04.240 this something that's gonna be cool with you? You know, like these are 272 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:07.599 the restrictions. And yes, you get phone calls and you can talk to 273 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:10.279 family and stuff like that, but for the most part, you're working on 274 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:14.440 yourself. And that's four months long. I mean, that's four months, 275 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:18.400 you know. Most treatment centers are like, hey, ninety days. This 276 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:22.720 is four months right after bat just working on yourself. And then after that 277 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:26.640 you can go get a job after four months, after you kind of graduate 278 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:30.079 the program, but you can still stay there and they're going to keep your 279 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:33.200 money. They say that they'll give you what you need to live on, 280 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:36.240 you know whatever allow once, but they're going to keep the rest of your 281 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:37.519 money for you. And then you can stay there another four months, you 282 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:41.480 know, up to eight months. So you're saving four months, saving money 283 00:17:42.359 --> 00:17:47.359 and around people in recovery and people that are doing it. And then they 284 00:17:47.359 --> 00:17:52.160 have what they call the Iron House, which is their transitional housing sober living, 285 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:56.319 and someone call it and then you can go there and you have a 286 00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:59.519 roommate and you can stay there, he said. Some people have been there 287 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:03.839 for a year and a half. But it's cheaper than normal, you know, 288 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:07.480 but so you're still around recovery. It's affordable, you know. They 289 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:11.680 want you to accomplish goals and you work on that in the first four months 290 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:12.160 too. It's like what do you want to do, Where do you want 291 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:15.880 to be? Where do you want to go? If you say, hey, 292 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:18.880 I want to be an architect and then you start we're going to McDonald, 293 00:18:18.920 --> 00:18:21.279 they're going to say this isn't lining up with your goals, but like, 294 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:23.000 shouldn't you be going back to school? And I don't know that's a 295 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:29.079 way drastic example, but that's the stuff that they're going to say, Like, 296 00:18:29.279 --> 00:18:32.599 don't be sitting here saying you're going to fly airplanes and then you go 297 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:36.000 get a job and you're a grave digger. You know, they're going to 298 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:38.440 put you in the right situations and they're going to question you when you're making 299 00:18:38.440 --> 00:18:41.400 stuff that's not aligning up with what you're saying, which I think is very 300 00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:45.599 important and for some people it's real hard because they're going to want to do 301 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:49.240 what they want to do in do do do what you guys know as well 302 00:18:49.279 --> 00:18:53.799 as I know, doing what we want to do, and our active addiction 303 00:18:53.960 --> 00:18:59.799 was it wasn't working out very well. But at the same time, we 304 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:02.359 don't have to have goals and we still have to do what we want to 305 00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:06.720 do. You know, Like if I to listen to people tell me the 306 00:19:06.759 --> 00:19:08.200 stuff that I could or couldn't do, I wouldn't be here right now doing 307 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:11.039 this, you know. So I was still chasing my dream. Oh, 308 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:15.359 Corey did it his way, not really, I mean I did, but 309 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:19.160 I didn't you know, I was following the rules and I was going after 310 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:22.279 a dream. I was going after something which I didn't even know what it 311 00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:25.240 was at the time. You know, It's like I want to start here 312 00:19:25.279 --> 00:19:30.000 and I want to do this, and you got to start somewhere. But 313 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:32.519 to say no, I'm going to do it my way. I'm just going 314 00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:34.559 to drink on Fridays, you know, like that way of thinking I had 315 00:19:34.559 --> 00:19:38.519 to let go of. It's And there's a difference too, I think between 316 00:19:38.759 --> 00:19:44.599 the goals that we want to do and doing sobriety our way, doing recovery 317 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:49.039 our way, Because I know, I think you guys agree with me that 318 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:56.119 when we tried to figure out recovery our way. It didn't work. It 319 00:19:56.200 --> 00:20:00.319 really didn't. We needed somebody to help us. But when you you get 320 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:04.839 into that and you start getting the recovery and the sobriety and the substance use 321 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:11.880 disorder under control, you can start to customize your personal goals and go from 322 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:18.519 there. You know, yeah, I get that, Yeah, but I 323 00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:26.440 mean someone say though that I didn't mind my way though, fabulous, thanks 324 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:30.720 Justin, But not like if they like I've had people in AA say oh, 325 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:33.599 no, you're working the steps and I'm like no, I'm not, 326 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:34.880 like, yes you, why are you doing all this stuff? And think 327 00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:42.559 okay, well, and I kind of feel like it's it's all the same, 328 00:20:44.680 --> 00:20:48.039 Like if you're gonna do the steps or not do the steps, if 329 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:52.759 you're working on sobriety and it's working for you, you're doing the things, 330 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:56.440 but maybe in a different order, maybe a different way. That's why the 331 00:20:56.519 --> 00:21:02.400 multiple pathways things works for people. Is there people who really connect with dharma 332 00:21:02.440 --> 00:21:07.720 groups. If you look into the principles of dharma, the steps are there, 333 00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:12.160 they just word it differently. So it's like what is going to fit 334 00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:17.079 into your brain that is going to be that key that unlocks it for you, 335 00:21:17.680 --> 00:21:22.799 but most of it is pretty much similar stuff, you know, working 336 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:26.559 on your you know, there's a reason that there's this. There's a spirituality 337 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:30.240 aspect in most of them, not all of them, but a lot of 338 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:33.880 them. You know, it's because that really does seem to help people, 339 00:21:34.359 --> 00:21:37.839 you know, making amends and stuff like that. You know, like that 340 00:21:38.079 --> 00:21:42.000 makes you a better person and works on your character and your personality, you 341 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:48.759 know, the personal inventory. A lot of these different structures have all of 342 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:55.000 the same things, just that they just word it differently. It, you 343 00:21:55.039 --> 00:22:00.720 know, helps people. I don't know, and then different I think, 344 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:03.279 but I didn't. I don't know, and like I wasn't trying to, 345 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:06.519 Like I'm gonna go do my own way. But like I said, some 346 00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:10.279 groups will tell you you're not doing it right, gotta do it this way, 347 00:22:10.279 --> 00:22:12.839 and there's no right way. So there is the right way, but 348 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:17.559 I just it's different for everybody. For me, it was starting a podcasts 349 00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:22.440 and having goals and dreams and putting together all the things I learned over the 350 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:26.480 the process of it all, you know, and where I wanted to be 351 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:30.839 and how I learned that I could make that happen. It was huge, 352 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:36.559 but I don't know it was. It was a good time though, guiding 353 00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:40.799 light and brought back some memories when they went to that last room where we 354 00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:44.720 used to stay. With the back to work people. They have a back 355 00:22:44.759 --> 00:22:48.119 to work program, which I think would be great. I'd love to start 356 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:52.680 that here in Traverse City. And it'd be empty, I think, because 357 00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:55.519 it's it's for people who you know, have nowhere else to go, but 358 00:22:55.799 --> 00:22:59.039 who want to rebuild their lives. I'm not saying that there's not people here 359 00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:02.519 in Travers City that don't want to rebuild their lives, but there's work involved, 360 00:23:02.839 --> 00:23:06.039 you know, working on themselves, and I don't know, it'd be 361 00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:07.880 an interesting concept. I'd love to talk to some people about it. Obviously, 362 00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:11.440 it would take you know, funding and funding from not the state, 363 00:23:12.880 --> 00:23:17.319 you know, to do things where they needed to be done. And they 364 00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:19.839 said that COVID kind of took that program from them, you know, when 365 00:23:19.839 --> 00:23:22.599 COVID hit, it was just kind of like, okay, when what are 366 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:26.599 we doing? And they chose when things open back up to just focus on 367 00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:30.000 recovery, which I think was smart, you know, because when you try 368 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:33.680 to be too many things to too many different people, you just kind of 369 00:23:33.880 --> 00:23:38.359 get things lost in the shuffle, and they're talking about opening a women's house 370 00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:42.200 or not a women's house, but a women's program down there too, which 371 00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:47.680 I think would be awesome. And they already have transitional housing for women in 372 00:23:47.720 --> 00:23:49.559 Grand Rapids or do we have all those flyers and stuff. But Guiding Light 373 00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:53.960 they have a website you can check out more about them. But it was 374 00:23:55.119 --> 00:23:56.480 it was really cool to kind of go back to a place where I was 375 00:23:56.519 --> 00:24:00.519 before and you know, kind of get the tour and to show you guys 376 00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:03.079 like, hey, like these places are out there, Like how cool is 377 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:08.039 this that it's free for people to go through It doesn't matter well insurance and 378 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:11.200 it doesn't matter if you have insurance or don't have insurance, like it's it's 379 00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:15.240 free to you. It's it's a program that's you know, just strictly funded 380 00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:18.799 off donations, which is great. And that blew me away, Like I 381 00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:22.000 didn't I didn't realize that stuff existed that you know, me go to treatment 382 00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:29.559 for free, I mean without insurance and right, and but yeah, it's 383 00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:34.079 that program there. I think about my journey or whatever, and man, 384 00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:38.200 I don't know, I think I think everybody's in a little bit of different 385 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:42.400 situations, but there's there's a lot of situations where it'd be really good to 386 00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:47.680 just I mean, I remember when I was at Bear River. It was 387 00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:52.559 my second rehab, but the first one I was only there for like two 388 00:24:52.599 --> 00:25:00.960 weeks. And when I first got there, my roommate said, h sure, 389 00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:08.480 don't put that there right, you know? It was oh that sorry, 390 00:25:08.519 --> 00:25:12.960 yep, yeah, he said, you know, oh, this is 391 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:17.599 your this is pretty much your first time. You should probably stay for ninety 392 00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:19.880 days. And I was like, whoa, you know you hear that ninety 393 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:23.200 days? And I had just got it through my head that I was definitely 394 00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:26.720 staying the thirty That's what I'm doing. And I was proud of that mentality. 395 00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:30.799 But that's why when we were there, I said something like that's what 396 00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:34.640 third thing is, you know, not like nothing against anything else, but 397 00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:38.000 you know, they they got it like a program that you work through like 398 00:25:38.079 --> 00:25:44.359 that that I don't know is it's just I really like the the way they 399 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:48.400 went about it, and I guess, yeah, in the state will put 400 00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:49.880 a cap on how much they're going to pay for like if someone's on Medicaid, 401 00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:52.519 you know, and it's all based on your insurance too, like even 402 00:25:52.519 --> 00:25:56.640 if you have insurance like our insurance like as a cap, oh, you 403 00:25:56.640 --> 00:26:00.400 can go. They will pay for these many days. And you're like, 404 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:04.319 okay, I guess, but I mean, are you going to be where 405 00:26:04.359 --> 00:26:08.000 you need to be when you leave? Probably not. That's why people go 406 00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:11.559 back again. But with medicaid, they'll do the same. They'll say, 407 00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:15.160 Okay, we'll fund this person to stay two weeks. And depending on how 408 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:18.119 this is how great Michigan is. There's ten different regions, So whatever region 409 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:22.000 you just happen to live in, depending on the drug problem in that area, 410 00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:27.039 determines how much funding they get and how much funding that they'll be able 411 00:26:27.079 --> 00:26:30.359 to spend on you to go. So some regions like, no, we'll 412 00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:34.759 only spend two weeks there, and then some regions are like wow, because 413 00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:38.400 you actually charge more for like so if you're going to go to a place 414 00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:42.079 Adam for three months, well, the Trea Lin Center is not really like 415 00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:45.279 that because there's a different rate. So for the first ninety or for the 416 00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:51.799 first thirty days, it's this rate, for the second thirty days it's lower, 417 00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:55.960 So they're going to want you to leave, you know. And there's 418 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:59.000 some which there's a place in Michigan. That's like they're in a two week 419 00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:02.759 rotation where it's we can't have a You're not hardly going to learn anything in 420 00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:06.359 two weeks, And it's like, what are they getting out of that like 421 00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:08.720 that they can just turn them out, Like it's just it's not how treatment 422 00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:14.359 works. If I had a guess, like it's it's very successful in getting 423 00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:17.559 your some of your family off your back early on or something. I mean, 424 00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:19.960 because two weeks you're not going to learn anything. Like two weeks you 425 00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:26.440 might start feeling a little better. Yeah, and You're just doesn't make a 426 00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:30.200 lot of sense to me. And I wish we'd stop wasting money on that, 427 00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:32.759 you know, and just put people in at least for thirty days. 428 00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:34.599 I mean it was up to me. I put everybody in for ninety but 429 00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:37.079 that freaks a lot of people out, and then people wouldn't go. But 430 00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:41.559 at least give the an option, you know. I mean, like I 431 00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:44.279 said, I was the king of leaving early, like after a week and 432 00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:47.039 I got it, let's go. I figured it out. Now I'm gonna 433 00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:51.440 be changed and then fallow my face and oh no, I'll do it like 434 00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:55.319 this. But I had to learn all those things, but man to have 435 00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:59.799 had a chance to go for ninety and actually stick it out and stay for 436 00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:03.519 it. It it's hard for people. You can start making excuses, well 437 00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:07.000 in my house, my car payment, this and that, and eventually I 438 00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:10.079 lose the house and lose the car, so like I didn't really have anything 439 00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:12.759 else at that point. Well, and I think that's why gutting Light does 440 00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:18.440 their process in the beginning, which I thought was really cool, because yes, 441 00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:21.720 it doesn't really matter what your insurance is, it doesn't matter if you 442 00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:23.680 can pay for it, it doesn't matter any of that. But they want 443 00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:27.920 to make sure that the people are going through there, mean it. That's 444 00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:32.359 what I was going to say too. That's that's a real big difference at 445 00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:36.319 the rehabs. I mean that would be huge. Sorry, no, no, 446 00:28:36.319 --> 00:28:38.119 no, no, that's fine because that's one thing. When they told 447 00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:44.480 me their their program and how long it was, it clicked in my head, 448 00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:48.799 how long kind of the recovery process to get it really going happened for 449 00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:53.640 me and I didn't get to do it in a treatment facility, but I 450 00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:57.559 was like, that's the timeframe I remember it. That's how it worked in 451 00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:03.400 my head, That's how how from that that last drink and then getting into 452 00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:08.200 you know, and for me it was vivatrial shots and counseling, but getting 453 00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:14.279 into that line just really how long it took me to start processing things different 454 00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:18.480 and to actually take it over as my own, you know, my own 455 00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:23.880 program. And so that was exciting to me. And then, like you 456 00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:29.160 guys said, I don't want to really bash anybody, but then the two 457 00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:33.880 week program was popped off in my head and I'm like, the word worthless 458 00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:36.839 kind of jumped into my head. I was like, this is so much 459 00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:40.279 better than that, so much better, and it's just structured so much better. 460 00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:44.799 I just really liked it. Yeah, And I think, you know, 461 00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:49.319 with the length of it and everything. That's what I realized is I 462 00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:55.960 think I wouldn't change any of my journey, but I kind of wish early 463 00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:59.839 on I would have realized that the more I just dive into it and just 464 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:03.960 some submerge myself and recovery, just that's my life now for a while. 465 00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:07.759 I mean that would have been I mean that that's what you kind of have 466 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:12.480 to do anyway. You know, Well, we can take that from the 467 00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:17.200 visit that we did today too, and to tell people like Hey, I 468 00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:22.079 know this really amazing program that can restructure everything that really works for people, 469 00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:26.799 but you gotta want it. Yeah, and there's some people that it's just 470 00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:29.599 perfect for too, because that's the thing is there's a lot of guys that 471 00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:33.880 want it, and that about you know, a few months just you know, 472 00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:37.200 and it was myself a few times. You get you know, I 473 00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:42.079 get four or five, eight months or something, and it's just where am 474 00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:45.279 I going from here? Where am I going from here? You know what 475 00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:48.000 I mean? And it's that four direction. If you lose that pace, 476 00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:52.440 you know, but that kind of structure, Man's that'd be huge for some 477 00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:56.160 people, especially the young guys because you know, there's probably a lot of 478 00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:59.680 more young guys that rehab nowadays than there used to be too. You know. 479 00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:04.359 Yeah, there's a guy who I told to go there, and I 480 00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:07.240 don't know if he listens to the podcast, but if he's listening, yep, 481 00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:10.880 I'm talking about you, but I don'tim. I was like, go 482 00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:12.000 there. You know, I told his families same thing, like this is 483 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:18.480 where I think this person needs to go and Nope, I didn't. And 484 00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:22.480 it's one of those things where they want you to relocate there pretty much. 485 00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:25.240 You know. They were saying at Gotting Light, like we don't want people 486 00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:27.000 to come in here, do their four months and then jet back to Detroit 487 00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:30.000 and bote right back to the same thing that they were in, because guess 488 00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:33.359 what's gonna happen. They're going to fall in line with the same things they 489 00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:37.279 did before, but like to start anew you know. And this person that 490 00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:40.480 I was like, dude, this is the place you should go. Yeah, 491 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:42.519 nah, I don't want to do that. I'm like, well, 492 00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:45.519 I don't know if that person would have made it anyway, but it would 493 00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:48.480 be set up for them to win and not fail. You know, they 494 00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:52.880 would be in a different area, nobody knows who they are. They're starting 495 00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:57.839 over, They're they're rebuilding their life somewhere new with opportunities for them instead of 496 00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:00.119 like, let me go back to the place is where maybe I have burned 497 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:05.200 some bridges or or whatever, you know. And then sometimes it's hard to 498 00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:08.319 commit to going that long because well, I want to do what I want 499 00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:10.960 to do, and that's too long and I don't need to do I need 500 00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:14.599 to go make some money because I want a house and a boat. And 501 00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:16.599 we never think we're going to go back out either, right, you know, 502 00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:22.599 so that's that's you know, yeah, I'm gonna do it my way, 503 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:29.440 you know, And it got me light. They do the abstinence, 504 00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:35.440 you know, like I'm gonna smoke weed because my doctor said. So they're 505 00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:38.000 gonna say then you should go smoke weed over there because we don't play that 506 00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:40.720 really, you know, but my doctor said, and they're like, yeah, 507 00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:44.559 that's cool, Like nothing against your doctor, but you can go on 508 00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:49.200 now. Well that's a phenomenal thing that I kind of realized about Guiding Light 509 00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:54.880 was that the structure of the time length, you know, their they're program. 510 00:32:55.240 --> 00:33:00.759 It's set up for people so rebuild an entire life pretty much. Yeah, 511 00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:07.440 and so many people have hit their rock bottom with the pickaxe and still 512 00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:09.880 try to hold onto stuff. You hear it all the time. You hear 513 00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:15.000 it at some meetings that we go do outside of here, you hear it 514 00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:20.960 with people that come in here and talk, and it's just like you you 515 00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:24.599 need a total restructure, you really do. And that's what they're offering people. 516 00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:28.279 And I think that's why they're selective with who they let in, because 517 00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:35.319 you know, there's we know how valuable resources and funding is and so they're 518 00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:39.680 just they're treating it that way. But you know it's I wish I would 519 00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:43.000 have known about it. I would have tried to get in there. I 520 00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:49.240 really would have. You know, there was someone last week what that means 521 00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:52.559 you have to get all up in it. But there was someone last week 522 00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:55.079 that said something to me about I just want to go back to my old 523 00:33:55.119 --> 00:34:00.680 life. And I like the person that said, why that's gone? Got 524 00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:02.119 you right here? Like the old life? Why would you want to go 525 00:34:02.119 --> 00:34:05.839 back to that? And it's not like it was so great, you know, 526 00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:13.159 like or when people somebody goes, I've lost everything, I've lost everybody, 527 00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:15.639 and then seeing a program like today, I want to look at those 528 00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:20.880 people and go, great, here let me show you the starting line. 529 00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:23.199 You know. That's kind of what I got from today, is here's an 530 00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:29.440 awesome starting line for somebody who has burned their life to the ground. You 531 00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:34.480 know. Well, let's you know, and I've you know, speaking my 532 00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:37.599 journey specifically, you know, I've had to I've kind of looked at a 533 00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:43.599 lot of you know, if you have you know, kids or people back 534 00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:46.840 home that you you know, you can't just start a whole new kick everyone 535 00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:50.840 out of your life. You know, that's kind of the mentality at rehab 536 00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:52.519 is you need all new people in your life, and it's like, oh, 537 00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:55.119 well what about my kids? You know what I mean? And so 538 00:34:55.840 --> 00:35:00.920 but I always said that, you know, just in body listening, that's 539 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:06.400 a huge benefit if you're if you're at a point where you just need to 540 00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:08.760 start over and everything, it's a perfect way to do it and you don't 541 00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:12.639 have anything holding you back. I I think I would have dove a lot 542 00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:15.880 more into it if I wasn't thinking about home all the time. You know. 543 00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:19.639 That helped me up for a long time, and I really had to. 544 00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:22.440 I mean when I when this all started working for me is when I 545 00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:27.559 did decide, you know, I went to sober living, I'm starting my 546 00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:31.079 own routine, and it was about it was about what I was doing, 547 00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:37.360 you know, and it started figuring things out. Stop doing what you're really 548 00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:42.719 what you wanted to do, and started doing the things you needed to do 549 00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:46.159 because none of us wanted to go and sober living, you know, but 550 00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:50.000 get to that point where it's like, all right, well I'm gonna go 551 00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:52.480 do this, and then he realized, okay, cool. I experienced that, 552 00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:55.199 and yes, I did learn how to stop at a routine and learned 553 00:35:55.199 --> 00:36:00.320 to live sober. But we don't want to live with a bunch of dudes 554 00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:01.400 anyway, you know, like that that's not what we want to do. 555 00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:05.320 So and it's it's not a permanent thing either. You know. Some people 556 00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:07.480 are like, I don't want to do that. Well it's not forever, 557 00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:10.800 man. Yeah, And it's a nice opportunity. It's really all you guys, 558 00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:15.280 you know. Yeah, it's not bad. It's not tortured at all. 559 00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:20.440 It's it's an opportunity. It's a it's a starting line to restructure a 560 00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:25.000 foundation found can't talk foundation to build your life, you know. And I 561 00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:29.360 think if you can look at it that way, which I don't know, 562 00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:35.000 if it's handed to a lot of people like that, like this is a 563 00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:40.039 great restructuring program, Like here you go. Maybe we need to ask different 564 00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:45.920 questions, like you know, when somebody's asking about what treatments unders they should 565 00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:49.239 go to, and just start asking like well, what do you have left? 566 00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:52.800 Yeah, what do you do you have? This? How about your 567 00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:55.079 relationships? Do you have a home? You know, just like all these 568 00:36:55.159 --> 00:37:00.719 different things and if it's zero on all of them, like sounds like this 569 00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:06.719 would work for you. Yeah, good to that. And it's not that 570 00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:09.199 you have to be at that got nothing left point either to go to Guiding 571 00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:12.599 Light. But he said to me, you know, we don't get a 572 00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:15.000 lot of the first timers here. You know. It's like, yeah, 573 00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:17.320 it's it's usually the people that have hit that bottom or you know, have 574 00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:22.280 heard about them or their program. But I think it's I think it's a 575 00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:24.920 good program for people. It's helped a lot of people, and they do 576 00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:30.559 it different, which I think is a good thing actually sometimes and you know, 577 00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:32.519 it's not that they do it different, like they're not they don't have 578 00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:36.679 real therapists or they don't have real you know, drug counselor or stuff like 579 00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:38.400 that. No, they do, you know, they still follow some things, 580 00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:42.519 you know, but they're not mandated to do this or do that, 581 00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:45.440 or you know, keep somebody who's using, or kick somebody out. They 582 00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:47.880 said, they use you know, like if you don't make your bed, 583 00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:52.079 they'll kick you out. You know. It's it's no, oh, you 584 00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:53.880 don't get a pop today. No, it's you're not following the program, 585 00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:57.239 You're not doing the things you need to do. We look at that as 586 00:37:57.239 --> 00:38:00.679 the same as using you know you have to you know, not doing your 587 00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:05.039 chore, not doing something, you gotta do that stuff. And you know, 588 00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:07.760 they hold people accountable and they're not afraid to like, all right, 589 00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:09.320 you got to exit the program, you know, because they know that that 590 00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:14.639 will catch on and that other people are watching and there's other people that are 591 00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:16.880 gonna take it seriously. There's other people that are going to do it right 592 00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:22.159 that need that opportunity. And if you know, you want everybody to get 593 00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:25.000 it, but if you don't take it seriously, you just it takes time, 594 00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:30.360 you know. And yeah, well I see it is such an amazing 595 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:35.679 resource too, like it weeds out to people who aren't serious that really, 596 00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:38.599 if you really really want it, then you're gonna do whatever it takes. 597 00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:45.800 And that's I think that's why my IOPs that I got into work so well, 598 00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:47.280 because I walked in there and they're like, what's your goal for recovery? 599 00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:52.800 I was like, do whatever you tell me to because I not like 600 00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:54.440 you tell me to pour my heart out to a therapist once a week, 601 00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:59.119 I'm gonna do it. You tell me to try and stand on my head 602 00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:02.159 every other day, I'm gonna do it. Because that's gonna help my recovery. 603 00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:09.360 Everything I'm trying ain't working, and it just it just following their structure 604 00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:15.119 is what helped. I watered all of the plants, all of them, 605 00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:19.320 every single one of them. I like that, and what you totally I 606 00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:23.920 like that. I like that. That drop's never gonna get old. I 607 00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:28.639 was born with mine, but I'm but I can identify it now. Yeah, 608 00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:30.800 I don't even want to know what you were talking about in that drop. 609 00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:35.239 I can't remember. I don't remember saying that that's gonna be used a 610 00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:39.760 lot as well now. But I know Adam's feeling it for Justin in this 611 00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:43.840 meeting tonight and he wants to go get some snacks and get some food, 612 00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:46.159 so we'll wrap it up. But yeah, Guiding Lighte, thank you so 613 00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:52.239 much for allowing us to come. That didn't sound right, allowing us to 614 00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:55.840 visit, and for showing us around, and it was very cool. I 615 00:39:57.159 --> 00:39:59.239 loved it. I love the fact that you guys got to see it. 616 00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:05.119 I'm really happy too, like that's it's just a different I haven't seen that 617 00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:07.320 side of it before, and I just that was really nice to see today. 618 00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:12.239 And the guys were really cool and everything so yeah, very nice and 619 00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:15.440 pleasant and very welcoming voice. And yeah it was awesome. Yeah, so 620 00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:19.239 thanks again Guiding Light. We appreciate it, and keep doing what you're doing. 621 00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:21.960 And if you need resource and anything like that, like I said, 622 00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:24.519 they have a website, just look them up Getting Light. But if you're 623 00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:28.159 like I'm afraid to reach out, you know, then you can hit up 624 00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:32.800 Justin Justin at two seventeen recovery dot com. You can hit Mitch up as 625 00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:37.199 well, Mitchell at two seventeen recovery dot com, Adam at two seventeen recovery 626 00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:42.840 dot com, and Corey at two seventeen recovery dot com, which is on 627 00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:46.800 the website at again to seventeen recovery dot com. Check out our blogs at 628 00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:52.440 two seventeen recovery dot dot blog dot two seventeen recovery dot com slash blog. 629 00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:59.719 Got yeah, all right, until next time, see you see Thanks for 630 00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:04.480 this. Listen to the two seventeen Recovery podcast. We hope you come back 631 00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:09.039 for our next episode.