Well, hello there ever, but day, how are y'all doing? It
is so good to see you all. Been away for a little while,
but you know, sometimes absence makes the heart more sweeter. I guess I
don't know missing that, but anyway, thank you all everyone in the chat
room. Hey David Barry, haven't seen you in a while, my friend,
what's up? Well? All the rest of the moderators and everybody else,
thank you for you know, being here speaking favor over us all.
Nothing missing, nothing broken, that's important. And I've had a good time
of being learning patience and endurance and you know, et cetera. So anyway
I have with me. I thought it was just really kind of special to
have writer Lee back on raised by giants. My brother, how are you
doing? How's it going, Wayne? How's everyone in the Good to see
everyone, Soul Tribe. What's happening? Uh? Yeah, happy to be
here. Thanks so much for having me on Wayne, It's been minutes since
I've been on over here. Appreciate it has been. Are you missing the
snow? Because I know Gilbert's there in Denver. I know they're getting their
asses kicked where I lived in Highland's Ranch, they're getting dumped on and not
missing it a bit. So how about yourself up where you are at.
We got like nothing, which is really interesting. We got like a little
dusting, like everywhere else around us just got like fifteen inches, like over
a foot, and like we just missed it. It was unbelievable. Everyone
thought that it was going to be really bad. So everyone was at the
grocery stores and everything late last night trying to stock up and everything. And
then I was like, yeah, it's probably not gonna do anything. It
kind of rained and fluttered when I was on my way to the gym last
night. But then when I woke up this morning, nothing nothing on the
ground, And I was like, wow, we dodged a bullet on that
one. Because a lot of people it's really bad. I just saw a
video of fifteen inches like a dog went outside and just yeah, yeah,
they're comparing this to I think the March storm in twenty twenty one, and
we had eight foot snow drifts in the backyard on that one. Yeah,
what did they call that snow apocalypse or something like that. I mean,
so we have friends that live right there in Ken Carroll. You know,
it's just right up to the hog back and they're catching hell. I mean,
and I don't miss it at all. It was eighty two degrees yesterday.
I even got a suntan, so wow. It's actually been a really
strange winter. Which we had a really strange summer too, Like it wasn't
really hot at all. It rained like for two months straight, which was
a nice Colorado and needed the rain. But and the winter has been strange
too. It's only snow like once or twice here. Oh really that's a
drought. Really strange, really really strange weather. So brother, I know
when everyone in the last of the Soul tribe. By the way, hello
everybody, much love to all of y'all, missed you. Super Galactic says
winter was not as bad as I thought. Yeah, yeah, it it
depends I guess where you are. I mean, yeah, so much changing
to the planet the universe. But anyway, last we spoke your your father
transcended crossed over and I was on with you as you got back. And
last I heard you and Jay were heading out to the West coast. Yeah,
we did a little travel out there films some some footage for the documentary
from the few interviews for our second documentary, which is going to be on
MK all Try and Stanley Kubrick because Jay is like a Stanley Kubrick expert.
You know, he's the one that started the whole faking of the moon landing
from the Shining movie. And not a lot of people know that because it's
been regurgitated over and over and over again and people will post clips and then
like really not give him credit. But he did that with his Kubrick's Odyssey
films. And went up there to Laurel Canyon, really strange area. That
was the first time that I'd ever been. I've been to la before,
but never went up into Laurel Canyon or did any of that stuff. And
it's kind of a dump. I'm like, what are they doing? I
thought this was supposed to be like prestigious actors and like prestigious filmmakers and all
this, and it's like a dump up in there. But we got up
to Lookout Mountain. We got up to Lookout Mountain there where Jared Leto owns
that big house on top of the mountain where he's supposedly like running like a
cult out of the Lookout Mountain building, which I don't know anything about it.
I have to look into it more to really understand. But that's what
people are saying that he's like running like a weird little hold out of it.
But it's a huge, huge house. But overlooking La up there at
the top of Lookout Mountain is incredible. Yeah, we got up there.
We got some really good shots of that, and just looking down over La,
I was like, wow, I could imagine what this was like in
the sixties and the seventies, you know, like probably way better, way
nicer, but it's just gone downhill and downhill. The roads are roads are
bad, like it's just really it's just a strange atmosphere now. I felt
like that it was a lot happier and a lot more like umction to it,
and things were flowing nicely back then. But now it's just like a
dumpster fire. The Magic laught man, I mean, you know, they
they suck a doll up. Uh and of course everyone. I don't know
if people have seen the documentary Laurel Canyon, but you know, the whole
thing with Mama Cass buying the house, and it kind of reminded me of
like family connection because you never knew who was gonna come in and come out
but these were all pioneers in you know, the unfolding of rock and roll,
and I think they sucked it all, tried, and when they left,
everyone just trying to build on the you know, on the memories of
the of what happened there. But yeah, yeah, like there wasn't any
zero, like attractive women too, which I thought was kind of strange as
well, and like what's going on here? You know, Like I didn't
see one attractive woman the entire time that I was in California. I was
like, what is this? What's how Well, not that that's not that
that's a requirement, but it was just like strange not to see really any
attractive people. And I've really been like looking into like words and the double
meanings of like words, and the double meanings of a lot of these buzzwords
that are really used around the community, you know, especially when it comes
to ufology and stuff like that, like national security threat, alien invasion,
crash retrieval and things like that, because I believe that these words have double
meanings and the perception of what the people think that they mean, there's actually
something under that. I believe that a lot of these have multiple things.
Like I've spoken about it a few times on my show in the past.
Is that you can change the word alien just by adding one word in front
of the word alien, and then it becomes a completely different word. Right,
You just add illegal in front of alien and you get a completely different
meaning. And you know how like people are always talking about all there,
they're always here, they've always been here, they're always around us. Well,
you take illegal, put it before alien, then you really encompass what
they're actually talking about, because they are they are here, they've always been
here, they've always been around us, right, And it's the same with
like national security threat. There's a double meaning to national security threat as well.
You know, like it's not a national security threat because they're invading our
airspace and invading you know, they're extra trustrial and they're going to attack us.
It's a national security threat because it's more than likely all of our technology
and if another country finds out that it's our technology, then we're exposed.
That's the national security threat. And it's just been really interesting because there's a
lot of things that are like that, and not only like with the words
and the buzzwords, but it's also with like programs, right, like official
government programs as well, like the Stargate Project. People said, oh,
well, the Stargate project is you know, a time portal, like an
actual real stargate where people can go in and time travel and do all that
stuff from like ancient mythology, And well no, it was an actual government
DA Army intelligence program on the study of remote viewing and psychic phenomenon use for
a data collections intelligence operation. Do you believe in its interest? I had
my notes here because we haven't even talked. But so the question that I
I have is, all, right, understanding biological organisms, which we are,
the elements of space itself. Without a protective atmosphere, you're subjected to
not we don't even know what type of radiation. We have an idea of
some of it, and then you have the whole thing with this the distance.
So my question that I have is do you because you've been covering this
on your channel, I've been watching that and Kilpert when you were talking about
the ugly girls, I was thinking, what happened to Brian Wilson, you
know Califhony girls. But anyway, so do you think from what you have
been able to ascertain to this point, that there are actual biological beings from
other galaxies actually visiting Earth. I mean, because as I think about this
more and more, I don't see that as being possible. You know,
you look at light. A light year is five point eight trillion miles,
all right, so even moving at the speed of light, depending on what
your particular point of view, Einstein said that he said reaching the point of
the speed of light as the problem, not after he could probably go faster
than that. Or are these beings are they bending space other Do they have
the ability to form bubbles in which they can go from dimension dimension? Do
they die? If they die, do they have a soul or a spirit?
I mean, what if you have found out Well, that's normally what
people say when you try to debunk the physical extraterrestrial hypothesis that they're coming here
from other planets. They'll they'll turn it and they'll say, oh, well
they're interdimensional or they're extra dimensional, or they'll even create a new name hyper
ultra extra dimension or whatever, you know, and terrestrial ultraterrestrial, Yeah,
that's one. That's yeah. So it's like it's there's always like an excuse
whenever you start talking about the extraterrestrial narrative, and there's always something else that
the true believers, you know, throw into the pod and stir it up
and mix it up. But whenever you look back through the real history of
ufology, you just see all of the deception and all of the mis and
disinformation surrounding UFOs. And it's not missing disinformation in the way that we think
that it's missing disinformation. It's actually missing disinformation in a deceptive way, encouraging
the belief in extraterrestrials, not covering up extraterrestrials. And when you go back
to the very first sighting of UFOs, well, I mean, people can
argue all that they want. The UFOs have been happening for thousands of years.
You know, they can read the Bible and you know, use the
Book of Ezekiel and say that that's a UFO. But they weren't called UFOs
back then. Most people saw pillars in the sky or shields or The only
picture of Yahweh is in what we would define today would be a craft that
produced a field around because apparently he can't exist in this realm. I are
this atmosphere, I don't know, And that's the other thing I have.
How do beans if they're on another planet, another galaxy and they're coming here,
Are you telling me that there's uniformity in atmosphere and the gases that form
atmospheres. What are the odds of that happening. Yeah, there's absolutely no
way. If that's possible, then they would have to wear some sort of
shielding protection. They would have to You would never see their true form because
they wouldn't be able to walk around in their true form because the atmosphere is
different and gravity is different. Our sun is different from any of the other
suns on any of the other planets. So it's really I don't have any
kryptonite. I am fucking Superman. But it's all right, that's right.
They're actually making a new Superman movie. I got pushed back JJ Abrams the
Legend of Superman Legends or something like that. Yeah, okay, jj Abrams.
Shit, I don't know, I'm blinking on his name. It's really
early. But the head of DC that James gunn Yeah, James gun is
directing it. But when you look back at the UFO sightings of like Modern
Times, which Arrow just came out with a report five days ago that lists
all of the different reports that they've investigated since nineteen forty seven and right before
a blue book, Yeah, and Roswell. I guess Roswell would be the
most current one after that, Yeah, and listing the explanations for what they
were. And it's a really interesting document if people get the chance to check
it out. But then people are like, oh, well, the government's
just covering up the extraterrestrial phenomenon, and I'm like, no, They've been
saying the exact same thing since forty seven. They've never changed their stance.
They've never said that extraterrestrials exist. Now, the thing that they have said,
you know, in twenty twenty when that Pentagon report came out, was
that UFOs are real and UAPs are real. But they've never denied the existence
of UFOs or UAPs. They've only said that it's not extra trestrial and has
nothing to do with extraterrestrials. So when you go back and look at the
first modern sighting, which was with Kenneth Arnold in Oregon, wasn't it or
Washington, Washington, Washington. Yeah, Well he had a few other sightings.
One was in California, I believe, another one was in Oregon and
then Idaho. I believe I would have to pull up my notes. I'm
just going off the top of my head. But he had many sightings,
some say eight to eleven sightings after his initial sightings that really no one talks
about. But a lot of those could be lumped into a category of like
natural phenomenon, and a lot of the people that talked to him after he
would see these other sightings after in nineteen forty seven would be like, oh,
well, it's just ducks, it's just headlights and all that. So
it didn't really get it as much attention. But he did see things like
every subsequent year up until like sixty No, it would be fifty four or
something like that, and then there's like a three or four year break in
there, and then he sees it. Has a couple more sightings in the
seventies, in the late fifties, But when you look at his initial sightings
on Mount Rainier, Washington, in nineteen forty seven, he seen a string
of nine objects. He said that they were that they reflect the sunlight and
they didn't have any tails. So we landed his plane in Yakima, Washington,
and told his friend al Baxter about the story, and then he said,
and then a few other pilots of his pilot friends, and they were
like, oh, are you sure this wasn't military missiles or like a military
craft. And it's interesting because he went into the news station and then he
told this, told a story to this gentleman named Nolan Skiff, and then
Nolan Skiff published a news report and had the title as Manned spots flying saucers
and Washington nine flying saucers. And then that story gets forwarded to the Associated
Press for worldwide distribution, and then the flying saucer and narrative was born.
But Arnold never said that the shape of the craft was saucers. He said
that they moved like saucers skipping across water. He said that the shape of
the craft was boomerang shaped, bat shaped, and sometimes you would say refer
to it as a pie pan. And the news reporters misinterpreted his statements as
the shape of the craft was a flying saucer, but it wasn't. And
then Arnold came out with a drawing of the craft. And this is the
most accurate depiction of what Kenneth Arnold saw in nineteen forty seven, and you
would think that whenever that photo came out that it would stop all the flying
saucer talk because Wayne, this doesn't look like a flying saucer. To me,
this does not look like the portrayed depiction of what people were led to
believe that UFOs and flying saucers look like. Does it. It looks like
bat shaped boomerange shaped craft. And then when you looks cling on to me,
But that's just my failing. Yeah, something the straight out of Star
Trek. But really, when you kind of look at it, hold on
me find a photo that doesn't have Kenneth Thornald actually in the picture. Here
it is so, but when you look at it almost looks like a prototype
or one of the first prototypes of the B two Stealth Bomber looks very similar.
I mean it's not it's more rounded, it's not as ragged. But
if you looked up pictures of the B two Stealth Bomber, you could see
if they were flying in formation and Kennethornald seeing these at a distance, that
it could be mistaken for some exotic craft. So, and then it gets
back to a question, are these actually visitors from other planets? It or
other systems. It's it's interesting because the narrative is this merely well, I
think the evidence is so overwhelming in one aspect that there's something going on.
There is a phenomenon. Now, whether it is of this earth, whether
it is of our technology. I I question that, you know, because
it gets into are we really the ones in control here? But to continue
on with you, you're so if the government isn't, I guess, So
where is the disinformation campaign coming. Is it to get us to not believe,
or is it to get us to accept or is it to keep us
this basically constantly questioning. I think it's a little bit of everything that you
mentioned. It's a multi faceted campaign. You can because you can use both
sides. Right, you can use the believers, I want to believe believers
believers and you can use them, and then you can also use the the
skeptics side as well. And it's almost like politics, Right, you got
the left, you got the right, you got the extreme left, you
got the extreme right, and it just creates division and confusion. And that's
ultimately what deception operations really do is to sow confusion, to confuse people to
a level that they don't know what to believe, and not knowing what to
believe is better for the intelligence communities than being on one side or the other.
So what's the endgame? Because everything has to have is obviously going to
be concluded into an objective. And so I'm thinking in my head, all
right, so what's the endgame? Here's what's the purpose. But then the
question immediately hits my mind, and I'm thinking, wait a minute, who's
making money off this? I mean that anything to do does anything in the
world today, it's got money associated to it. Someone is making a buck?
Now who? And then why? I mean, you see where I'm
coming from. Well, it's really interesting because you can kind of whenever you
try it back the term of flying saucer. You'll see that flying saucer was
a term that was being used sixty years before Kennethronald's sightings in eighteen eighty by
this gentleman named George Lewitski. He created this term flying saucer for these little
clay pigeons. It was called trap shooting. Yeah, and I do do
that all yeah. And originally trap shooting was with like live pigeons. But
then whenever the you know, animal cruelty became like popular. They didn't want
to shoot live animals for target practice anymore, so they changed them into these
little clay disc and they were called flying saucers. And the sport of see
look at that it looks like rusted. Many of those a modern interpretation of
what people believe that UFOs look like. And the sport was a very popular
sport. It was adopted by the Olympics. It was six hundred thousand people
by nineteen twenty had all known the term flying saucer. Then before World War
Two, the military adopt adopted the sport and the term. So what didn't
the Germans have like three prototypes that they had made of UFOs or flying saucers.
I mean, you know, they had it looked almost like your clay
pissions what they call those. There's a I'll think of it, but apparently
that's what the Allies, uh, I believe, so thank you that.
Yeah. I don't know if there's any that's like with the very speculatory and
theory thing that they actually have the craft, I mean, because no one
really got to see it up close, and well I'm sure people did,
but they weren't able to come out and really talk about it. So it's
like it's a kind of a theory and a speculation that they had craft.
Now, they did have the Glakca bell technology, which required a bunch of
energy and a bunch of electricity running to it, and it would put off
a lot of radiation and it would let it like rise up off of the
ground, which I have come to the conclusion that maybe that was like the
engine or the the thruster or the power source of the craft, and it
was just like a component of the craft. And when the US got to
Germany and saw the bell, they didn't have the rest of the craft to
know what it even went to. Well, you know the backstory of that
is is that the Nazis still say that they got that knowledge because of their
occult knowledge. Yeah the uh forget Marina a brahm of it. No,
Rena Orsonage was the lady that supposedly channeled entities on how to build one of
these craft and which then it goes back further than that. It goes back
to like John d Well, what about the Hindu and they're they're veramas.
Yeah, the uh, Well, the Japanese also had something similar to that
as well. There's some some drawings and some pictures of a really strange I
think it's in the Bellagida that they actually talk about. There was three different
versions. There was one for heavy lift, there was another for people movers,
and then the third one was designed for royalty, which then brings into
the question, well, you know, we have all these stories, but
does that, you know, solidify it that is extraterrestrial craft. To me,
it doesn't, Well, they can't be extraterrestrial. They were made here,
so they would be terrestrial craft exactly. And then when you look at
the crash retrieval buzzword, you think, oh, well, because when people
think crash retrieval, they think, oh, well, it had to have
happened in modern times. Someone had to have seen this craft while out of
the sky, or a military personnel slid on radar, or another country called
the United States and had them come excavate this craft in another country, some
kind of exotic craft. And I'm like, well, that doesn't necessarily have
to be true, Like, it doesn't matter how much time passes in between
finding something. Well, it's the nerd bird painting of what is it?
Sixteen fourteen or I believe that shows some sort of freaking battle happening up in
the sky. I mean, the artists caught it, and we know that
there were people that were dying. I mean, that was an actual event
captured. So it tells me and you mentioned John d So here's a crazy
question. What if there is a group let's say we can use the word
elite, it's overused today, but what if there were a core group of
humans that have had this knowledge passed down for thousands of years? The Samarians
they had a craft. I mean I studied the Bible extensively. In the
book of Zachariah. Zachariah twelve, it talks about this what he saw as
a carpet rolled up on two ends that described as two females highlyding the craft.
Now, yeah, I realize it has to do with the Old Testament.
But still yet it tells me that what if there was a core group
that have had this technology and have secretly perfected it over thousands of years?
I mean, is that so off base? No, it's not. And
I think that that is a very plausible explanation for it. And because I'd
want aliens to be part of the fall guy, I don't want them to
think that they're fucking humans driving this. Hell, no, we want the
little gray dudes because they're never going to look at us. They'll never think
of investigating where the potential. And some what I saw in the chat room
said, you're right, who's making money off of this? That's to me.
I'm just a common guy, but that to me seems to be where
one of the problem is. You start looking into this, you may end
up well like the guy for Boeing whistleblower. Yeah, the yeah, when
you follow the money. That's why I brought up the whole military basically taking
over the flying Saucer narrative and the support of flying Saucers to train their airmen
before World War Two, which is almost identically what has happened with uifology and
disclosure. Now the military and the three letter organizations have basically hijacked this entire
thing from the public and they have taken it over. And here I don't
mean to sound rhetorical in this, but I just got the feel of the
Vatican on this. I mean, it's got that that same feel. But
because I don't know if if and here's the thing, it seems to be
more Western based technology than what we would consider far Eastern technology. But I
you know, I think about the Chinese. They've been here far longer than
what we think Western esoteric knowledge has been. Yeah, and there's a yes,
all right map of all the sightings and when all the sightings start that
doctor David Moorehouse was talking to me about. Let me see if I can
pull it up and screenshare it really quickly, because it really it's a I'd
love to see it. It's a very talian uh, very telling thing because
it shows you when all all of these sightings started, and they start around
nineteen forty seven, and it's primarily in the United States, basically in the
United States, which is very interesting to me. Let me see if I
can screen share I smell a rat. Yeah, you can share it.
You don't need permission, do you? Yeah? You have to. There
we go, there, you go cool, and I smell a rat,
big that rat. But it's just interesting how all of the sightings all basically
happen in the United States. They all start right after World War two,
you know, and then it is just like propagated like that. Okay,
here we go, get the screen share desktop one all right. Can you
see this? I can see it coming up there. We go, okay,
so boom, like right now is when it starts lighting up, and
that was around nineteen late forties. Now you see it getting bigger. This
is probably around the eighties. Now we're in around the nineties. It's picking
up. There's a pattern in it. This is the world. This is
the world right here. Look at how big the United States is, Like,
how lit up the United States is senting right, it's not right at
all at all. I mean, look at that. That's that's all the
United States. It's basically completely lit up. Besides, like the Midwest here
there's I mean there's still a lot of reports and a lot of sightings through
the Midwest. But look at the East coast, look at the West coast,
and then I look over here to England. Yeah, England is lit
up. Something's wrong here, I mean this is there is something wrong here
in just visually you can see this in your mind. For my mind,
I'm going, okay, so what the hell is going on? Yes,
that is weird. And look in China virtually nothing nothing. The other area
I find very interesting is the Middle East. Yep, look right in that
area of Israel Palestine that that whole huh yep, unbelievable, isn't it the
reason? Look away? Yep, Now there's something wrong here. There's definitely
something wrong the visual of this. I was like, what, wow,
So what was the conclusion that the the person who put this together what they
had to have drawn some conclusion? I mean that, come on, you're
telling me that this is natural. And look at it's really been the United
States that has driven this complete narrative. And then as you were showing that,
I'm thinking to myself at the same time, this phenomenon is now intermixed
with religion. It has direct religions connotations to it, military, I mean,
deep state this This has got the feel of a takeover. This is
this is conditioning. Takeovers sometime take one hundred years or more. This is
conditioning. I'm you know, I was born in fifty five and so I
remember growing up in California watching the B rated science fiction movies, you know,
of big saucers coming down, huge robots, and this is what permeated
my generation to and we just put passed it forward. And it's also wrapped
into the New Age spiritual beliefs. What really started with that I Am cult
in the early thirties with Guy and the Ballad that really took a lot of
the occult ideas of that time and formulated their own ideology and their own theology
and their own belief systems ripping off like Alena Bravlovski, Igar Casey and people
the occult writers of that time, and they propagated their own religious belief and
which had to do with you know, Saint Germaine and some form of extraterrestrials.
And you know, it's a it's a compounding, it's a regurgitation,
and it's done as a it's a deception. And when you look at the
Paul Bennewitz story in the Paul Bennowooz case in nineteen seventy nine, and you
really beg into that thing, like your mind will just be completely changed on
the entire subject. I mean, you can read the book Mirage Man.
That's like a must read for anybody that's looked at the barney and who was
Betty Hill. You know, their abduction story started the whole abduction genre.
You know, aliens coming down. And as you were talking and I'm connecting
the dots in my head and I'm going, you know, so I'm seeing
this propagation in the United States, It's like, this is not natural.
And then you look at what's happened with the United States has done, and
then I'm thinking, well, it was this the precursor of eventually to AI.
I mean, this has got the feel of a takeover. It does,
and it's a it's a fake takeover, and it's a hoax takeover to
make you believe that it's something that it's not. Whenever it's human intervention,
it's humans that are doing it to humans. And I agree with you in
that maybe it does have something to do with AI, because if you're if
you're looking to the skies and you're constantly in belief that it's extraterrestrials, then
anything can be gotten away with because they know for a fact that it's not
extraterrestrial and has nothing to do with extra traustrials. So whenever they've convinced the
public that it is extraterrestrials, then they can do whatever they want. David
varies and he says, they all they only speak English the e teas that's
what I always configure. So is English like this freaking universal language out there.
I mean, it's a it's a gutter language. And I'm thinking that,
you know, yeah, everyone everyone in the universe speaks any even God
speaks English. That's right. That's another really interesting aspect of it too.
It's like, and we can only communicate with like a certain percentage of the
world. I mean, I know Google Translate has made it easier before the
longest period of time. If you only know one language, you're only communicating
with maybe ten percent of the entire world. Like that's mind blowing that we
just can't go and communicate with whoever we want to communicate because they speak a
different language. Yeah. Really, we're getting robbed of a lot of experiences.
And that's a big reason why I did that show on Japan and you
know, learning about now with Lorenzo, learning about the culture of Japan,
because we don't get really any information on any other countries when it comes to
the way that they live or the way that their government operates or their daily
lives. Right, we only get information on other countries when it's like bad
and like horrible news, or there's like a bombing or there's a natural disaster
or something along the lines of that or an assassination or whatever. We don't
really learn about what other countries are doing on like a daily basis. So
that was a really eye opening conversation for me and how Japan operates in the
kindness and respect that they have for one another and their culture. He was
saying that people will take naps in the park for hours at a time.
They'll just leave their stuff in the park and then come back a day later
and it's all still there. You can never do that anywhere in the United
States ever. No, and and and and then, so I'm continually drawn
back right on the whole thing though of there's it, and then and that
that graph was very uh telling. So who's looking into the investigation? Who's
who? Would you say? And I've seen your guests coming on. Are
they part of exposing? Do they know what this agenda is? Do they
know? It seems very complex, very sophisticated, And the vast majority of
people it's it's it's above them. They don't want to stop and think about
this, you know, because the attitude is is, well, what can
I do about it? Actually, thank you probably do a lot, but
then again I don't know. Yeah, this should be an entire documentary series.
You should do one going into this whole thing, because it's I think
I will personally believe that it's one of the biggest deceptions in modern times,
in modern history. And it's once you peel back the layers, you realize
you know what's going on, and that doesn't really stop the questions. It's
like what you were asking earlier, well, why why are they doing this?
Why are they spreading all this deception around UFOs and extraterrestrials. And one
of those conclusions is because it's our technology, and they don't want other people
to know that it's our technology. And it's gotten so far out of hand
that there's no putting a lid on it anymore. You know. They did
all the disinformation surrounding Paul Benowitz. They broke into Paul Bennowitz's house, replaced
his computer with an NSSAY modified computer to make him believe that he was in
contact with the extra trastriers, and then he went out and told a lot
of the researchers and a lot of the ufologists of that time in the seventies,
eighties and in the nineties, the miss and disinformation that the NSSA was
giving him that he didn't know was a deception. He thought that there was
extraterrestrials. Almost everything within the mythology of extraterrestrials can be tracked back to Paul
Benowitz in nineteen seventy nine from the Air Force Special Investigators, investigators, you
know, solidifying his his preconceived notions that it's extraterrestrials. The NSA feeding him
false and miss and dis information surrounding extra trestrials. A lot of things came
up out of that. That the contract with ETS and with Dwight Eisenhower came
out of that. The extra trestrials are here for resources and they're the ones
that are abductings came out of that. That the don't say the deLuce in
New Mexico came out of the Paul Bennewood story. So, and it's all
missing to this information from NSA agents and Air Force officers, special investigators,
and they knew that at some point he was going to go out and talked
to all these UFO researchers like John Lear, Bill Cooper, Bill Moore,
Linda Moultenhowe and all of these all of these people and was going to spread
that, and it just took on a life of its own. And that's
why they more than likely they were silent on it for like thirty year forty
years because they just let the public roll with it and keep propagating it.
And then all these UFO conferences come up and start popping up, and all
these people are paying all this money to go hear these UFO researchers and these
people talk about this stuff, you know, and they just let it simmer
and they were like, holy, I guarantee you. Somebody in the intelligence
community set back and was like, what have we done? Yeah, because
it seems like this is like a virus. I mean, you can create
this unique virus in a lab and within its environment that it was created in,
it remains neutral. But you put it into a foreign environment, now
you've got a problem. Much like this, this is a mind virus.
So to what end is this heading towards? Because as I look at humanity
today, there is thistasa mitosis there we go that is but testasized on us.
We are a species that it's just me. But I think we're losing
it more and more each day, and we're running towards this. Now,
does this play a role in that? Is is there going to be something
like Project Bluebean? You know, are we going to wake up and start
seeing these images in the sky swearing that these are ships, that these are
actually extraterrestrial ships, when in fact they're a manipulation of light you know that
someone is using or are they real? I mean, this is where it
becomes an issue because it can literally drive a species nuts. That's what happened
to Paul Bennowitz. It turned it in pretty much crazy. You had to
be psychiatrically hospitalized. Is over this whole ordeal and the fake alien invasion is
already here. It's like what I was talking about at the beginning. Yeah,
it's here, all right, It's already here, and it's been here
and it's just been wide open and they're just a couple of hundred miles yes,
yeah, right. Does that not make more sense than because even when
you look at the word extraterrestrial, and you break down the word extraterrestrial,
it just means other land. Yeah, what is south of the United States?
What is north of the United States? Yeah, other land? I
said, I keep on looking at this, and then I always put the
esoteric spin to it, because to me, it's about control. This is
what our species, Homo sapiens, seem to have their great flaw as to
our predecessors, the Neanderthals, Chromagneus, etc. That we seem to be
prone to manipulation and control. It seems like that that's what we want the
most, is our lives to be controlled. We want to know what time
we should get up, We want to know what time we should eat,
what time we should go to work, school. Everything is planned for us
from the moment we enter into this realm, and with that we have this
sense of being. Now you come in and disrupt that and say, but
that does that's meaningless? You know for what time you should be getting up
to, what time you should be eating. It should be your decision,
not the general out there. And I keep thinking that there has to be
an end game. What is it? Is it really control or is it
is there something more nefarious going on here? Again? I think that it's
kind of all the above, because I believe that it got completely out of
control and they kind of just started scrambling for how to use it in their
benefit. That's why it took them so long. So is this, Oh
well, yeah, UFO's and UAPs, there's out that we're confirming it now.
You know, they it took them a long time to figure out their
angle on it because they didn't realize how quickly that the perception operation was going
to take off and spread around to other people in the community. They didn't
really, I don't one percent believe that they did not think that it was
going to be this popular. So let me ask you, do you think
when I studied angeology angels under Lester, some of all this goes back decades
and decades ago, it was accepted that there were different classes of angels and
some had the ability that they could move through space time, but there was
the lower class that actually had what we would call vehicles. They had ships,
which we would use in the modern terminology. So my question, just
throwing it out there from what you had, is this of a technology of
a different class of beings that we somehow worship. You know, it's involved
in our cultism, it's involved in our paganism. Is this what we're seeing?
Is this a form of what you could read in the Bible or the
Qur'an or any other book out there that these unseen beings, these invisible beings
that traveled through the sky chariots of fire. That's what the Old Testament,
Saint Palmas is. This what we're dealing with. And while you were talking,
I kept on coming up with this, this whole structure of what spears
are. And part of my Biblical training was to understanding and now we know
it from a science, this firmaent. There is this thing called the firmanent,
where there is a host. This is where these beings exist in.
Yeah. Yeah. The Kardaliski cloud which is around the Earth is full of
plasma. Yeah yeah, Well, I mean when you think of like ancient
times and these people seeing these types of sietings, I still go back to
a slightly more advanced species of being that was here while a lower society was
also here, and that explains how they had craft and because it was a
slightly more I mean, if you had an airplane back three thousand years ago,
people are gonna be like, what is this, what's happening? You
know what magic? Is this? Their witches? Let's burn them, you
know what I mean? And the sound would be like the sound of locusts,
which is the thrusters of of the jet right, And that makes uh
because if it's just a slightly more advanced society that let's say, it's not
even anti gravity, it's not even it's just like what the public has,
like airplanes and stuff. Well, the people back then it would have been
magic. It would have been this incredible technology that no one had ever seen
before. And that's probably why it was described as like being on fire and
looking like a chariot and all that going through the sky. And I'm sure
some of them had problems. I'm sure some of them caught on fire,
you know, crash getting and crashed, and I think they did a lot
of that is back to the archaeological aspect of this. You know, you
you go back. You know, if we went to the Middle East right
now and we did a an archaeological dig and we found something that was some
kind of advanced technology that we don't know what it is, that's still going
to be a that's going to be a crash retrieval. It doesn't matter how
much period of time has passed in between the thing, you finding the thing
and now it could be hundreds it could be thousands of years old, it's
still going to be a crash retrieval. So that's the double meaning of the
word crash retrieval. And everyone loves to bring that word up, like,
you know, it's crashed extraterrestrial craft. Well not necessarily. It could be
craft that from our ancient past that we dug up in modern times. But
they're still calling it a crash retrieval because it still is a crash retrieval.
Oh, this has got you know, when you start applying this it because
there has to be a reason. Again, if these beings have the ability
to transcend space miles, then it's beyond our capacity to think of. But
I just don't see biological beings that the whole idea of space travel itself.
The impossibility is, and the fact is, I don't think humans will ever
be out in space. We can't figure out between here and Mars. The
concern is is that with the intensity of the cosmic radiation, it's going to
drive the astronauts nuts before they get there. We also don't know how fast
the DNA begins to become damage to the point that it's irreversible in altering the
DNA of the individual person in that environment. So if these beans have figured
all that out and how they can move at such speeds and what have you.
Then that tells me that the earth is unique within itself that whoever has
or thinks they have possession of it. Wow. I mean you could use
technology and be fuddled the masses forever. I mean, if we have a
civilization collapse. Let's say we're the seventh civilization and they say we're going to
be collapsing. That's is where we're heading. The next one behind us,
we'll find the artifacts of our jets are everything else. Would those governments then
say to the masses, well, you know, because if we admit that
it existed and then we found it and it was you know, before we
were here, Well, we can't do that because then we're powerless. Yep.
Well, the I can see where you know this really starts fucking with
your mind. Yeah, that's exactly right. That's been my goal and my
point of talking about, you know, the way that things last. Because
if say we're all wiped out right now, just everyone just vanishes from the
earth, how long would it take for the things that we've built, our
buildings or cars and all that to excuse me to corrode and no longer be
here. Would it take you know, two hundred years, would take three
hundred years, four hundred years, you know, and then well, let's
say a new species of humans in the future five hundred years, and then
they start doing excavations and then they find remnants of our old society. What
would they say about that? You know, would they be like, would
they'd be like, oh, man, this was such a highly advanced society.
All the while they're like one hundred times more advanced, you know what
I mean, Like, what would they say about what we have now?
Would they be like, oh, this was a very primitive society. They
were living in caves and you know what I mean, or we become we
would become the Atlantis story. These people, they had a society where it
seemed like things so interesting, and you know, the History Channel did this
had a program on that that it showed in less than three hundred years,
our cities are gone, they have crumbled, Nature has taken it. The
plant life have literally consumed those things. And within four hundred years they showed
there's virtually little evidence of us being here at all. Our trash will eventually,
you know, be degraded to the point where the earth will either be
able to regenerate it or it will become these artifacts that sometimes we find in
other parts of the world. It's interesting then that brings into the question how
many times this has this been done before? How many times have we been
to this exact point that we're at right now within our past. If that's
all it takes is three hundred years for everything to be gone, then what
what version of humanity are we on right now? You know, because a
lot of people, a lot of people think, well, you know,
it would take a really, really long time. There's no way that everything
that we have built. I mean, the things that we've built are super
flimsy. I mean the structures that we built. I was when we were
flying to California to film this second documentary. I'm like looking out the plane
window and it's wild way like looking down at the at the cities, and
I'm like, this is the most ugliest type of architecture, and like everything
is like laid out in squares, like on a grid. It's really strange.
It's really weird looking at how ugly things are from the top and everything
is like perfectly it's perfect squares. It's like everywhere it's like perfect little chunks
of squares stall over the place, and I'm like, huh, One,
how did we get it this perfect? You know, like who's the brainchild
behind creating a lot of these cities in the layouts of these cities? And
two why did we make it so freaking ugly? Like, well, why
did we not have some creativity on designing and creating these cities? You know,
everything is squares. It's just squares. You live in a square house,
you stay in a square room. Above it's square. Have a square
circle? Oh, do something different though, Make a triangle, make an
octagon, make a freaking up too single or whatever, you know what I
mean. They do have fun, like create something that's enjoyable to see or
like enjoyable to look at. That's what I feel like that they were definitely
doing in ancient times, you know, with the cathedrals, you know,
with the pyramids. Like I want to know the first person that thought about,
all, let's make a giant freaking pyramid. Let's just put a pyramid,
you know what, this this area needs a giant freaking pyramid. Yeah,
let's take you know, a million ton blocks and we'll we'll make this
giant freaking pyramid, and then what do you do with it after it's melt?
Now, what the hell are we doing it? I ain't tearing it
down? Hell noll right at that hour, would buy How can people find
you? Let them know? I put your link down by the way for
your YouTube, nle But you're out there in a lot of different platforms.
Thank you very much, Wayne appreciated. Yeah, YouTube raids by Giants,
Indian, all alternative video platforms, and any podcast platforms as well. There's
an audio only version of my show that also gets uploaded to Spotify and Apple,
Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, iHeartRadio, and anywhere else you can listen
to podcast on And thanks very much, Wayne, really appreciate your time to
seven wonderful conversation. And it's fantastic. I mean I'm sitting here, I
got freaking notes everywhere, because it's really if we could find the reason for
all this, I think all the rest of the pieces start falling in very
succinctly. Oh Wayne, help me, help me fund a documentary and we'll
get that bad boy. We can do this. We'll do like a four
like a four four part UFO documentary, because I believe that this is like
a this is a huge deal, and I think if people were to see
the evidence and everything, there would be a holy crap. And maybe I
think it's something that's really needed right now at this time because UFOs and aliens
are at the at the height of popularity. They're going to use it too.
They're going to use it, I have no doubt about it. But
it's like perfect timing for like a Peacock docuseries or a Netflix docuseries. Netflix
has been putting out some really good documentaries here recently. They just did which
I'm going to be talking about this evening with the man. You've got a
show tonight, Who do you have? With your guest She and the Ruiner.
We're going to be talking about this new documentary that just came out on
Netflix called The Programs, Coults, cons and Kidnapping, Oh unbelievable. Wing.
If you get a chance, like watch this documentary. It's a three
part documentary. It was like in the top ten on Netflix and the Netflix
also came out with another documentary called American Conspiracy. You want to go down
a rabbit hole with this whole thing is called the American Conspiracy. The Octopus
Murders. Oh my god, that is I couldn't believe that that Netflix.
Netflix did it. I was like, holy crap, they're really talking about
this on Netflix. But that is a wild, wild story, and it's
called the Octopus Murders for a reason, and it goes around corruption and it's
right up your alley though, Win because it has everything to do with computer
programming and computer engineering and the Department of Justice not paying this gentleman and then
stealing the software and then putting a back door into that software, and then
selling that software to other countries intelligence communities so that they can spy on them.
It's like they created a giant global surveillance see and they're using that for
someone. Yeah, thank you, Nina, Hey Nina, thank you,
Darling and all the rest of everybody. Right, we got to do this
again because it's got my hunger. I have a special guest tomorrow. I
have Jay and April from Spiritual Role. We're gonna be making an announcement tomorrow
and this is something that I'll talk to you a little bit more off once
we get off here. But well, Octopus Murders. I'm gonna have to
check this thing out now. I mean, watch it when you're gonna love
it. Wayne, I was like mind blowing. This was happening in the
late eighties into the nineties, Like what are they doing now exactly exactly some
forty years later. Yeah, hey, yay, all right, much love
everybody, Thank you all. I'll see you tomorrow again with uh Jay and
April coming on, so you're gonna like this. So much love everyone.
We'll see you tomorrow speaking favor over us all writer, thank you, brother
man. This is good stuff all the way around. All right, much
love everyone, until we see you again.