1 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:21,000 We're back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Dashinski, 2 00:00:21,039 --> 00:00:23,800 culture editor here at the Federalist. As always, you can email the show 3 00:00:23,839 --> 00:00:27,800 at radio at the Federalist dot com, follow us on ex at fdr LST. 4 00:00:28,039 --> 00:00:31,239 Make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcasts, and of course to 5 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,640 the premium version of our website as well. Today our guest is no One. 6 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,479 That's because we're going to be doing another one of the question and answer 7 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:44,920 episodes that honestly, I really love these episodes. I always hesitate to do 8 00:00:45,039 --> 00:00:49,960 them because this still feels strange to me that there are questions people might want 9 00:00:50,039 --> 00:00:53,880 me personally to address. But you know, hey, I love addressing these 10 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,399 questions. I think it's a blast, so I'm always happy to do these. 11 00:00:57,439 --> 00:01:00,119 You can remember we say it at the top of every episode, but 12 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,680 radio at the Federalist dot com we actually do read all of these Behind the 13 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:08,359 podcast. It's really just myself and our producer, Jordan Boyd, who if 14 00:01:08,359 --> 00:01:12,879 you read the Federalist dot com you see Jordan's byline like three times a day. 15 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:19,040 She's extremely busy. She's an amazing reporter and writer and thinker. She 16 00:01:19,239 --> 00:01:22,760 also part of her job is producing the show, so she's very, very 17 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,079 busy, and I always just want to shout out to Jordan and just say 18 00:01:26,079 --> 00:01:30,680 how grateful I am for Jordan's production efforts on top of all of her reporting 19 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,920 and writing that she does over at the Federalist. So it really is just 20 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,200 it's just us, and you know, we get a lot of support from 21 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,359 our colleagues. Obviously Molly and David are here on Wednesdays, but just we 22 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:48,200 appreciate I hope everyone knows how much we appreciate them listening to the show, 23 00:01:48,359 --> 00:01:53,000 offering us feedback, whether it's constructive criticism or praise. Everyone knows, you 24 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:57,920 know. Of course I revel in the praise. I'm only kidding, but 25 00:01:57,159 --> 00:02:00,959 we do appreciate it. I know, really do read just about everything. 26 00:02:01,079 --> 00:02:06,000 So again, if you have any tips, if you have any suggestions, 27 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:12,960 I've actually thought recently about doing more actually of episodes just like this one where 28 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,400 I kind of go through people's questions talk about different issues. We have a 29 00:02:16,439 --> 00:02:20,439 lot of really cool guests coming up. By the way, We're not you 30 00:02:20,439 --> 00:02:25,560 know, I'm sticking with the regular format. You you'll keep getting programming as 31 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,879 usual here, but every once in a while I do find it interesting to 32 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:34,800 just kind of talk through some of these questions. So let's get to it. 33 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,719 I put out a tweet yesterday just say I'm about to take some questions 34 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:42,960 on a Q and a Federalist radio hour. So I've got a lot of 35 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,759 questions actually about the protests that are going on in college campuses right now. 36 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:53,199 Let's see where to start. I want to make sure we have these organized 37 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:59,319 in a good way. Here's one. Why is the legacy media shying away 38 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:07,000 from all the obvious examples of Zionist crime against anti genocide protesters. That's from 39 00:03:07,599 --> 00:03:10,840 Gritty get Lidty. I want to find another one that's sort of similar in 40 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:17,000 this vein right here, really shocked to find you. This is from Dimitri 41 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,759 really shocked to find you, defending the illegal actions of the pro Hamas pro 42 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,319 Palestinian protesters on campus. So breaking into buildings, are just breaking a few 43 00:03:25,319 --> 00:03:29,879 windows. According to Ryan Grimly, my co host over at the show, 44 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:35,680 counterpoints is cool. Vandalism, property destruction, assault is cool again. So 45 00:03:35,879 --> 00:03:39,159 we have a lot sort of in this in the protests that I mentioned. 46 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:44,159 Here's another one from John Carlow. How do you manage cringey comments like this. 47 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,639 Attractive smart people don't join these protests. They have good lives and don't 48 00:03:46,639 --> 00:03:51,599 need fake activism to make themselves feel special. Do you address it with your 49 00:03:51,599 --> 00:03:55,520 fellow colleague to flush that thought out or is there a fear of reprisal. 50 00:03:57,159 --> 00:04:00,919 I'm like literally reading these as I go along, so it looks to me 51 00:04:00,159 --> 00:04:03,039 like I just googled that quote. It looks like that's something that the great 52 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:09,000 Megan Kelly tweeted, and I'm reading these like again for the first time. 53 00:04:09,039 --> 00:04:12,639 I'm reading a lot of these as I'm going through the list. So this 54 00:04:12,719 --> 00:04:15,439 is not scripted or anything, just so anybody knows, I'm taping this live, 55 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,399 doing it live. I don't think that's a cringey comment. I think 56 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:24,240 that applies to some people, and I definitely I'll say, I definitely don't 57 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:30,920 have a fear of reprisal. But I genuinely think there's truth and there there 58 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:36,160 has been truth in similar I guess protests over the years, and it's not 59 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,560 you know, I don't. I don't agree that it applies to everyone, 60 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:46,079 but I actually think there's something about what's going on in college campuses right now 61 00:04:46,879 --> 00:04:50,120 that speaks to people who don't have quote, good lives. That's a quote. 62 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:55,639 That's the quote that I was asking about. They just feel unfulfilled, 63 00:04:55,839 --> 00:05:00,959 and there's something that really gives you a sense of meaning and purpose, at 64 00:05:00,079 --> 00:05:03,120 least superficially, it feels like it meaning it purpose, And I've seen that 65 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,920 happen on the right too. I'm I don't think it's just about people on 66 00:05:05,959 --> 00:05:10,000 the left. I mean, I think there are I think, honestly, 67 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:14,160 I saw a lot of that on January sixth, people whose lives are emptier 68 00:05:14,199 --> 00:05:19,600 than they would have been before, you know, the era of hypermodernity that 69 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,959 we're in now. We talk about this a lot on the podcast, So 70 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,720 you know, is it everyone, No, But I think there are a 71 00:05:27,759 --> 00:05:31,879 lot of people that are really really struggling, and you know maybe. I 72 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:36,160 mean, for example, one outward sign that people are struggling right now is 73 00:05:36,199 --> 00:05:44,279 just the shocking obesity rates. It's just manifesting in certain things like that. 74 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,399 I mean, one of the first indications of this with gen Z to me 75 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:53,879 was Billie Eilish, who was sort of intentionally making herself look unattractive. And 76 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:59,560 I think Billy Eilish is somebody who has very clearly looked to politics and sort 77 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:04,879 of she said that she was looking towards gender nonconformity as a way to protect 78 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:11,319 herself. She said she had watched a lot of pornography and she dressed with 79 00:06:11,439 --> 00:06:18,279 this kind of androgynist style intentionally to protect herself. And so again I think 80 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,600 this is happening on the left and the right in some of the protests that 81 00:06:23,399 --> 00:06:27,120 it's not entirely new. This is a lot of what Christopher Lash. I 82 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,079 think we referenced this on the episode earlier this week with Matt Walsh. I 83 00:06:30,079 --> 00:06:32,759 think this is a lot what Christopher Lash wrote about when he wrote Culture of 84 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,639 Narcissism. I think that was like the early eighties, may have been the 85 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:42,040 late seventies or early eighties, and looking at how the growth in media and 86 00:06:42,079 --> 00:06:50,920 new media technologies, especially in some ways triggered ancient narcissistic instincts in people who 87 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:56,360 lived in the West was a really worthwhile pursuit for Lash at that time. 88 00:06:56,439 --> 00:07:00,000 But we just see it kind of going into hyperdrive, and I say hyperdrive 89 00:07:00,079 --> 00:07:01,680 now in twenty twenty four, people might look back on this in you know, 90 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,240 twenty five fifty four, we make it there and say, wow, 91 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:11,720 what you were describing as hypermodernity at the time is nothing compared to or hyperdrive 92 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,279 at the time. Hypermodernity hyperdrive at the time is nothing compared to what we 93 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,800 deal with now. But I actually, I think it's an entirely defensible position 94 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:25,959 that people who are engaged in these protests on college campuses are not being fulfilled 95 00:07:26,879 --> 00:07:31,000 by modernity and some of them and it's for some of them that's manifesting in 96 00:07:31,319 --> 00:07:38,839 you know, physical ways exactly how Billie Eilish described using androgyny, using androgyny 97 00:07:38,879 --> 00:07:43,000 as basically a shield to protect yourself from the judgment of others. I think 98 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:47,120 it's manifesting in ways like physically with our bodies. And I don't think it's 99 00:07:47,199 --> 00:07:53,279 just relegated to the left. You know, conservatives aren't tearing up college campuses 100 00:07:53,519 --> 00:07:58,920 right now, But it depends on the kind of conservative protests we're talking about, 101 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,399 you know, is January, is it some of the let's say, 102 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:07,639 you know, fringe protests that you see pop up from time to time. 103 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:13,160 Yeah, probably, you know, they're not on the same scale right now. 104 00:08:13,199 --> 00:08:16,360 But I just don't think people's suffering right now and their lack of fulfillment 105 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,920 right now falls neatly down those lines. I do think though, that there's 106 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,560 some truth to this on college campuses at the moment. So to address some 107 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:31,639 of the other questions that I just mentioned, this was the first one. 108 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,120 Why is the legacy media shying away from all the obvious examples of ZIONUS crime 109 00:08:35,159 --> 00:08:39,440 against anti genocide protesters. I find this question from Gritty get Liddy very interesting 110 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:46,519 because we've set up before on the show that this particular issue is one in 111 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:50,480 which elite opinion, it is one of the only issues in which elite opinion 112 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:56,759 is polarized. You know, you get elite media basically on the same page 113 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,840 when it comes to I mean, we saw it happen really quickly with marriage 114 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:07,200 for example, you know, within like the last twenty years, and then 115 00:09:07,399 --> 00:09:11,159 about ten years ago, there's just total lockstep on that. For a long 116 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:18,679 time, there was total lockstep on BLM, there was total lockstep on transgenderism. 117 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:24,039 We're starting to see a crack in that particular facade. But you know, 118 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,919 there's people are on the same page for example, about Donald Trump. 119 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:31,919 There are very few people in elite media spaces, the ones that sort of 120 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:37,919 are either the kind of polite spaces in Washington, d C. In New 121 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:43,759 York and Los Angeles, where people would defend Donald Trump defend voting for Donald 122 00:09:43,799 --> 00:09:48,480 Trump, would say they voted for Donald Trump themselves. That's obvious. So 123 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,960 on this issue, though, you see some flagrant bias in both directions. 124 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:01,720 And I think it's really hard to say that the media is just universally pro 125 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:11,399 Israel or pro Palestinians. I actually think, you know, overall, it's 126 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:16,720 a really like there isn't any categorical way to put it. I mean, 127 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:22,840 there's there's so much internal strife on this question because you you know, have 128 00:10:22,919 --> 00:10:26,919 people so like Bill Ackman as someone I think is a really good example of 129 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,679 this, who said, you know, when he was is on the board 130 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,799 of I think it's called the Harvard Corporation. It's like the control is a 131 00:10:35,799 --> 00:10:41,879 group of people like control a lot of big decisions at Harvard. And when 132 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:48,480 Clauding Gay came up for consideration as the president of Harvard, Ackman has now 133 00:10:48,519 --> 00:10:52,279 and this happened last fall, said, you know, he he thought the 134 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,320 DEI stuff was great as it applied to Claudine Gay. He thought it meant 135 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:01,960 X, Y and Z, and you know, he thought it meant racial 136 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,720 equality, and he thought it meant, you know, making sure that everyone 137 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:13,039 feels safe and included. But he wasn't totally cued into the broader conversation about 138 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,519 equity, for example, and we heard him talk about that in a conversation 139 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,519 with Dean Phillips and one of his other colleagues from the All In podcast. 140 00:11:20,759 --> 00:11:28,080 And Dean Phillips is an interesting example a Democratic congressman who is a big supporter 141 00:11:28,159 --> 00:11:31,879 of like the Equality Act, which would be terrible for speech rights. But 142 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:37,360 again it's sort of in the name of something that broadly sounds great to everyone, 143 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,519 women's rights, equality, it's in the name of the bill. But 144 00:11:41,759 --> 00:11:46,159 you know, Dean Phillips still boasts about supporting the Equality Act, for example, 145 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,600 even though he told Bill Ackman in the wake of October seventh that he 146 00:11:50,639 --> 00:11:54,559 believes in equality, not equity. He believes in equality of opportunity, not 147 00:11:54,679 --> 00:12:00,799 equality of outcomes. And you know, they were very clear about free speech 148 00:12:00,919 --> 00:12:05,000 and expression and all of that. So you get the Bill Ackmans of the 149 00:12:05,039 --> 00:12:11,320 world who have become very uncomfortable with the clouding gaze and the sort of agenda 150 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:15,879 that sounded really good on the surface, but then on the other hand, 151 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,039 when you see it in action, You're like, oh, well, this 152 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,480 is sort of anti Western. And if we keep pulling at the thread of 153 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,440 what's anti Western, and this is where I disagree most, I think with 154 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:30,679 my friends who oppose Israel in this this most recent conflict. If you keep 155 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,159 pulling on that thread of what it means to be anti Western, you get 156 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:41,480 to anti American, you get to anti capitalist. And I guess capitalism is 157 00:12:41,759 --> 00:12:46,639 depends on how you define it, whether we oppose or support capitalism. You 158 00:12:46,639 --> 00:12:52,480 know, if you have a positive definition of capitalism, it centers your communities 159 00:12:52,519 --> 00:12:58,399 and families, you know, or a sort of government approach to capitalism, 160 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:03,240 and there are regulations that kind of tend to the weeds. But it just 161 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,919 sort of depends on how you define it. Either way, you keep pulling 162 00:13:05,919 --> 00:13:13,720 at that thread, and basically the American quilt unravels to maybe torture a metaphor 163 00:13:13,879 --> 00:13:18,960 a little bit. And I think that recognition. No, I just wish 164 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,480 the left would be more honest about it. I guess I think there's some 165 00:13:20,519 --> 00:13:24,480 people on the left right now who don't realize that's what happened if you keep 166 00:13:24,519 --> 00:13:26,399 pulling at the thread. But I think there are a lot of people that 167 00:13:26,799 --> 00:13:31,440 you know, it's exactly why they've pulled at that thread. They actually started 168 00:13:31,759 --> 00:13:35,399 from the point of total unravelment. You know, they knew just sort of 169 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:41,200 in their minds that they found something so wrong with America. They're so uncomfortable 170 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,799 with, you know, what they see as inequality, which again, as 171 00:13:48,039 --> 00:13:52,320 a Christian, honestly, it's this. It's not something that can ever be 172 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,360 a utopia. Right. Inequality is always going to be with us. We 173 00:13:54,360 --> 00:14:01,320 should strive to minimize it. We should you strive for justice every day. 174 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,960 We are never going to rid the world of inequality, discrimination, and evil 175 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:11,240 manness. Ballen, So, I think though people are looking around in the 176 00:14:11,279 --> 00:14:15,159 country right now and say I don't like this place, it's very easy from 177 00:14:15,159 --> 00:14:18,120 my perspective, to lose sight of what the world has been like through the 178 00:14:18,159 --> 00:14:20,320 course of human history and look at the United States and be like, man, 179 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:24,919 this place sucks because right now, you know, for example, just 180 00:14:24,919 --> 00:14:30,600 take race as an issue. We've seen people's perception of race relations in America. 181 00:14:30,879 --> 00:14:35,000 This is Gallup polling where they've looked at this over time. People thought 182 00:14:35,159 --> 00:14:39,200 race relations in the country got worse over the last ten years. I think, 183 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,360 actually maybe even longer than that starting around twenty twelve, which personally, 184 00:14:41,399 --> 00:14:46,440 I've said this before, when I thought it started happening, I remember when 185 00:14:46,279 --> 00:14:52,720 Trayvon Martin was killed by George Zimmerman and the country erupted into this debate that 186 00:14:52,799 --> 00:14:56,960 almost seems quinet now compared to the post George Floyd world, the post Michael 187 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:03,039 Brown world, I just had a hit in my stomach. But I think, 188 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:07,120 you know, people look around at these examples, and you know, 189 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:11,519 why do we feel worse over the last fifteen years about race relations after having 190 00:15:11,679 --> 00:15:16,399 so making so much progress generally and what people think about, for example, 191 00:15:16,399 --> 00:15:24,679 interracial marriage for decades, after being one of the most or the most tolerant 192 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:31,399 pluralistic societies that has ever existed at this scale, And we look around and 193 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:37,120 we're unhappy, and we feel like something's wrong. We feel like something's off. 194 00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:41,039 I don't know. I think Euphoria the show and HBO captured this really 195 00:15:41,039 --> 00:15:43,559 well. Actually, So people look around, they feel like the quilts is 196 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:48,559 unraveled. They don't like it. They don't like the United States, they 197 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:54,399 don't like free enterprise, they don't like sort of institutionalized inequality through the system. 198 00:15:54,720 --> 00:16:00,480 And I'm talking about sisoeconomic inequality right now through the system of Fanner Prize, 199 00:16:00,519 --> 00:16:06,200 the institutionalized system of free enterprise that is overwhelming supported by American institutions. 200 00:16:06,879 --> 00:16:10,639 You know, Chris Ruffo makes interesting points about whether it is actually supported by 201 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,919 American institutions, which have now just been sort of since the I guess mid 202 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:23,480 century period, infiltrated by cultural Marxists who may or may not actually be a 203 00:16:23,679 --> 00:16:29,720 full Marxists economic Marxist, which is definitely the case with the Black Lives Matter. 204 00:16:30,159 --> 00:16:32,519 On their website they said, you know, they were against the Nuclear 205 00:16:32,559 --> 00:16:40,000 family, and it went on and on to like really true raw Marxism, 206 00:16:40,679 --> 00:16:45,360 even if it also includes these sort of cultural Marxists, let's say, window 207 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,320 dressing as a way to entice you know, a Jack Dorsey to give what 208 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:53,720 I forget what he gave to them some obscene amount of money after George Floyd 209 00:16:53,759 --> 00:16:59,919 was killed. So I think this is what we see manifesting in elite media. 210 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,599 So I think, actually they're interesting, you know, they are interesting 211 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:11,000 biases towards Israel, And that might sound ridiculous to my friends that are like 212 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:17,319 man the media, But what about all of the people who were what about 213 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:21,319 all of the you know stringers that were exposed with you know, certain ties 214 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,039 to Hamas. I mean, yeah, what about it. I mean that's 215 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,440 exactly right, like I think it's it's actually up in the air. And 216 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:32,920 that's very very rare with elite media opinion, because elite media is dominated by, 217 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,880 as Rufer would describe, these sort of cultural Marxists who are overwhelmingly supportive 218 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:41,240 of the Black Lives Matter movement until you know, well, actually they probably 219 00:17:41,279 --> 00:17:44,880 are still overwhelmingly supportive of it. That's where you got quote unquote mostly peaceful 220 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,759 protests from. And that's where you got all of the shameful coverage of some 221 00:17:48,839 --> 00:17:53,160 of these events from Jacob Blake and Milwaukee Kenosha, I should say, not 222 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,640 far from where I grew up, was one of the best examples of just 223 00:17:56,839 --> 00:18:00,519 utterly shameful media coverage, utterly shame media coverage. That's where you get it 224 00:18:00,559 --> 00:18:04,160 from. So many of those people are going to say, well, I've 225 00:18:04,279 --> 00:18:08,880 of course, like I've pulled out this thread. I don't like the system 226 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,039 of the West. I want the system of the West to move more towards 227 00:18:12,279 --> 00:18:19,240 a system of institutionalized equity. I want the United States to sort of take 228 00:18:19,279 --> 00:18:25,240 the backseat in this question of foreign policy, because I believe US capitalism led 229 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:30,359 to US imperialism, that these things are inextricably intertwined, and they are not 230 00:18:30,279 --> 00:18:40,279 salvageable. This is a system that is fundamentally flawed. Not fundamentally remarkably self 231 00:18:40,319 --> 00:18:45,480 correcting and just, but fundamentally flawed. So basically, they're saying, the 232 00:18:45,519 --> 00:18:51,599 emperor has no clothes. This is not a good and just society. We 233 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:56,240 can make it a good and just society by rebuilding a different foundation. And 234 00:18:56,279 --> 00:18:59,920 so you have people like that, and you have people who start pulling out 235 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:02,359 the threaten and realized, Oh, I actually kind of like the foundation. 236 00:19:02,799 --> 00:19:07,200 And I think that explains the media coverage. So you know, I feel 237 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:11,400 like that's what the clashes, that's where you know, you get I think 238 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,720 actually some really flawed coverage of the protesters. I haven't actually watched a lot 239 00:19:15,759 --> 00:19:18,799 of elite coverage of the protesters, to be honest with you, because I've 240 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:26,039 mostly been frankly criticizing it from the right. I wrote a long piece in 241 00:19:26,039 --> 00:19:30,759 The Federalist this week actually about what the right is getting wrong in this coverage 242 00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:37,000 of protesters, and that came from the interviews that I did what Jonas do 243 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,599 on this show. Great. Jonas Doue was the founder of the Columbia Sun 244 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,400 Dial that came on the show last Friday, talked about his experience as a 245 00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:48,799 student journalist at Columbia, his junior covering this over the last couple of weeks. 246 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,160 He's behind a lot of the really important reports from campus that have really 247 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,000 shed light on what was happening there. But also Ryan Grimm and I who's 248 00:19:56,039 --> 00:20:00,319 mentioned in one of the questions I read earlier, interviewed one one of the 249 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,079 Jewish student leaders who, when Ryan called her to ask if she could do 250 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:10,480 the show, was organizing the Passover Satyr for the encampment. She came on 251 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,599 counterpoints and I confronted her about, you know, what they were doing to 252 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:21,400 try to crack down on some of these examples of obvious calls for violence and 253 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:26,000 obvious you know, anti semitism. If you're standing with a sign in front 254 00:20:26,039 --> 00:20:30,799 of a bunch of Jewish students that says al Cassom's next targets, Yes, 255 00:20:30,839 --> 00:20:33,799 that's a call for violence, and yes the students were waving Israeli flags, 256 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:40,720 that's anti semitism. Clearly they're calling for the deaths, specifically of a group 257 00:20:40,759 --> 00:20:45,039 of Jewish students. So yes, and she was expressed frustration with that, 258 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,880 and that's what I thought the right was missing. And that's why, honestly, 259 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,920 I've been paying personally just more attention to how the right and the sort 260 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,640 of pro Israel site has covered these protests, because you know, we saw 261 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,440 this in the House just last night, the House of Representatives just this week, 262 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:03,920 i should say, which passed a bill with really frightening speech implications for 263 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,519 people who are criticizing Israel. Thomas Massey and others have been out on the 264 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,119 side of this, had been out on top of this, and actually some 265 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,599 you know folks in Freedom Caucus who maybe even voted differently the Massy on some 266 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:21,440 of the uh the resolutions. Just so, of course the last six months 267 00:21:21,519 --> 00:21:26,640 or so that have said that Massy has said, conflate anti science Zionism and 268 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,680 anti Semitism. There's no doubt, there is no doubt that there's a lot 269 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,039 of overlap between those two things. But it's important, you know, not 270 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,240 to legally conflate those in the same way. It's not ConfL it's important not 271 00:21:37,319 --> 00:21:41,960 to you know, complate conflate sex and gender identity, because then criticism of 272 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:49,839 transgender let's say transgender, I'll put it in quotes medical care, a lot 273 00:21:49,839 --> 00:21:55,759 of which I think has been exposed by the Cast Report, UH and other 274 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:02,599 analyzes in recent years as anything but care, but criticized that becomes essentially non 275 00:22:02,599 --> 00:22:07,000 protected speech on college campuses. And you can go down the list. But 276 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:11,279 all that is to say, that's personally why I've been paying more attention to 277 00:22:11,319 --> 00:22:15,599 this, just because you know, to the extent that there's any way people 278 00:22:15,599 --> 00:22:19,839 in conservative media can influence politicians, it's you know, by paying attention there 279 00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:26,440 and saying, let's law the role. But even more importantly from my perspective 280 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,000 is, you know, things like Sofia Southeast. She's the student that we 281 00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:34,519 interviewed, the Jewish organizer that we interviewed, who is not anti Semitic, 282 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:41,279 She's not pro Hamas. She's not like Judith Butler, someone who believes that 283 00:22:41,279 --> 00:22:48,680 Hamas is the quote resistance and that it's important not to miss. And I 284 00:22:48,839 --> 00:22:56,160 do worry. I do worry that people on the on the right and people 285 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:02,279 who are you know, a Bill Ackman sort of pro Israel, center left 286 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,279 type of person or center type of person. I do worry that's what they're 287 00:23:07,279 --> 00:23:15,519 missing by, you know, focusing on what they see and in some cases 288 00:23:15,559 --> 00:23:26,920 are legitimate examples of anti semitism or support for violence, which is awful and 289 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,599 it is terrifying, and there's way too much of it. But that is 290 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:37,839 not definitive and that's the big mistake. And that's just just because I happen 291 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,000 to be in a position where I talk to a lot of people on the 292 00:23:40,079 --> 00:23:44,880 left thanks to Counterpoints and some of my friends in that space. That's why 293 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:52,680 I've been I've been focusing there. So yeah, I mean, that's that 294 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,720 would be a huge mistake I think to miss that a lot of these campus 295 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:02,680 protesters are not people who are anti Semitic. They're not people that are pro 296 00:24:02,759 --> 00:24:07,839 Hamas. They are protesting the foundations of the country. That's the big story, 297 00:24:10,039 --> 00:24:17,200 because if you have a mass protest basically in the United States against the 298 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:22,000 foundations of the United States, if you look at polling of people in their 299 00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:30,599 generation, it should really open up a lot of people's eyes as to how 300 00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:33,079 feasible the American project is going to be or how difficult it's going to be 301 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:40,480 to continue the American project down the line. And I laugh because I was 302 00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:45,319 just looking at another one of these questions here, which is on a scale. 303 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,920 This is from Eric, on a scale of Sodom and Gomora to Rome. 304 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,000 Where do you see this country in five years, twenty years, and 305 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,720 fifty years. Oh man, I hate to say it's a good question, 306 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,519 but you knows of what I was just saying about the feasibility of the American 307 00:24:59,559 --> 00:25:03,759 project going forward. I think there's something there, Eric, you know, 308 00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:07,240 I'm hopeful. I think probably the biggest mistake a lot of people making media 309 00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:11,279 and in journalism is saying they know what's going to happen. I think the 310 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,640 best we can say is, listen, there's good evidence something like this could 311 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:21,599 happen, and I think there's good evidence that you do really start to see 312 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:26,920 a lot more strife. John Daniel Davidson just wrote Pagan America. His perspective 313 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,440 on this, I think is a good one. He was on the show. 314 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,079 If you haven't listened to that one, I highly recommend it. The 315 00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:37,359 book is about from his perspective. I think I agree with this that we 316 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:44,440 are lurching into a future that will be a lot darker. We'll just sort 317 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:49,960 of have to make peace with the reality that the America that had your sort 318 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:59,720 of very firm Christian foundations. And by Christian, I think we mean the 319 00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:06,119 Christian ethical foundation that was forged by some people in the Enlightenment. John always 320 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,000 talks about, you know which Enlightenment? You know? Are we talking about 321 00:26:08,039 --> 00:26:11,839 the Rousseau Enlightenment? Are we talking about, you know, the Enlightenment that 322 00:26:12,319 --> 00:26:18,440 really did start to codify what we now think of as human rights, but 323 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,599 that are are sort of unusual from a historical perspective, and as we lose 324 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:33,240 that, Yeah, I probably agree with John that the future will be the 325 00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:37,640 immediate future. Our lives, our children's lives, our grandchildren's lives. The 326 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:45,599 country will just not be as happy and healthy as it was when many of 327 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,279 us were growing up. And I actually think people who are a bit older 328 00:26:49,319 --> 00:26:56,039 than me experienced a real golden age, and I think that shows up and 329 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,039 polling, some of which I just mentioned earlier about race relations. But I 330 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:03,519 really believe that's true, and it makes me sad. It makes me sad. 331 00:27:03,559 --> 00:27:06,759 Yeah, I think that for me at least came to an end around 332 00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:11,279 twenty twelve. Things really started to feel bad around twenty twelve. And that's 333 00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:15,960 just vibes of course, it is not even to get into like quality of 334 00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:18,039 life. Obviously that came on the heels of the recession, which bred the 335 00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:22,000 Occupy Wall Street movement, which was very popular with my generation at least for 336 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,599 a moment. But vibes at least, vibes at least, I feel like 337 00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:32,559 we're good. Until twenty twelve, ver millennials like myself and a lot of 338 00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:34,559 people on the left would say, well, you are a CIS white, 339 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:42,440 You're CIS white person of privilege. Yes, that's my answer to the question, 340 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,279 or that is my response to the statement. Yes, yes I am, 341 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,440 but I do. Actually if you look at pulling like the Gallup polling 342 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,759 on race relations that I mentioned earlier, you know, I guess I have 343 00:27:55,759 --> 00:28:00,519 some perspective on that just as a woman. Yeah, I think that this 344 00:28:00,599 --> 00:28:03,160 is something increasing A lot of people, you know, whatever they look like 345 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,200 or who they are, are starting to put their fingers on and it's tough. 346 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,720 But you know, John, I think in his book, and I 347 00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:15,000 know a lot of people like the Benedict option by Roderer who blurbed John's book. 348 00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:18,799 You know, these are books that actually carve out roadmaps as to how 349 00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:22,319 to make this work. So I think I appreciate people who are working in 350 00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:26,400 that space right now and giving us road maps to how we make that work, 351 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,599 because I actually don't. I mean, listen, we do live in 352 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,720 the freest farist society, and I do believe it's a self correcting society that 353 00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:42,000 is rooted in timeless and during principles, and that's a source of great hope. 354 00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:45,839 So while I think that we're losing a point of consensus on that, 355 00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:49,200 I think it also because we you know, as of right now, have 356 00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:55,559 remarkable levels of free speech. Why we have, even if there are threats 357 00:28:55,599 --> 00:29:00,880 to these and they have been encroachments on these rights. While we have all 358 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:07,240 of that, where this is a country of just incredible beauty, and I 359 00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:11,839 think while we have all of that, it's it's very possible that there's a 360 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:17,240 self correction. You know, there was a self correction. It took way 361 00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:25,200 too long with civil rights. And I'm not talking about the legal the legal 362 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:30,000 debate over civil rights that people like Christopher called well and you know and as 363 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,400 step men have waited into. I'm talking about people's attitudes towards each other, 364 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:40,319 their attitudes about racial equality. It took too long. But what we've achieved 365 00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:45,000 as the United States of America is really remarkable from those sort of broad aperture 366 00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:51,599 of history, and that's you know, not something to take for granted, 367 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,720 and it's not something that's powerless now. I mean, I think we still 368 00:29:55,759 --> 00:30:00,680 have that. There are people who you know, have clear memories of you 369 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,440 know, the United States that accomplished a lot of that. Some former civil 370 00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:11,200 rights leaders who have spoken about this, there's a lot there's a lot of 371 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:18,160 power in the United States. So I don't know, I can't put as 372 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,359 on the scale of sond Wingomore to Rome in the next five twenty and fifty 373 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,240 years. I think there are a lot of possibilities, but you know, 374 00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:32,000 my gut instinct is that it's not great. But I do think there's plenty 375 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:37,279 of reason to hope, plenty of reason to hope. Raoul asks why does 376 00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:41,720 the right not understand trickle down economics is a myth? A lot of questions 377 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,319 from the left on this one. It actually reminds me of another one that 378 00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:48,599 we got here, which was, can you from Mark, can you explain 379 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,839 why the right reverers Reagan when he basically sold USA manufacturing to China and his 380 00:30:52,920 --> 00:31:00,200 tax cuts did not trickle down. There's actually a lot of debate about what 381 00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:07,240 happened with the Reagan tax cuts and about you know, manufacturing jobs and China 382 00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:11,359 and so sort of. I don't even know that in trickle down economics, 383 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,880 et cetera. I don't know that we need to wade into that here because 384 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:25,400 I probably disagree with Raoul and Mark on it completely, but it's probably worth 385 00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:30,079 getting into at least the point about why the right reviewers Reagan, or if 386 00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:36,200 the right does revere Reagan. It's totally generational, you know. I think 387 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:41,319 people who grew up with memories of Ronald Reagan will Ronald Reagan was still alive, 388 00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:45,720 you know, they tap into just not even on a policy level. 389 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,960 I think this is why it's really powerful, that it's really it's why Ronald 390 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:56,000 Reagan is still I think, someone a consensus figure for most Americans. There 391 00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:59,079 are a lot of people who absolutely just buse Ronald Reagan, no question about 392 00:31:59,079 --> 00:32:04,720 that. There always have been. But he's he feels like someone that you 393 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,839 know, sixty percent of the country who was alive during his presidency probably agrees 394 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,839 on like, oh, he was a good guy. And I think for 395 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,440 a lot of people it's because he sent good vibes, right, and I 396 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,759 don't think that's an easy thing to do. I think that is no small 397 00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:22,519 feat for a president of the United States. Some people are really really good 398 00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:24,839 at it. I think Ronald Reagan was really really good at it. Obviously, 399 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,559 I worked part time for a Young America's Foundation, which owns the Reagan 400 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,559 Ranch Reagan Boyhood Home. I was just at the Reagan Boyhood Home hearing some 401 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,319 amazing stories about Ronald Reagan. I'm personally a big fan of Ronald Reagan. 402 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:42,359 I think though, if you go back and read Reagan's speeches, and I'm 403 00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:45,720 talking about, you know, speeches when he was governor of California. I'm 404 00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:51,759 talking about speeches when he was running for president initially, which is especially my 405 00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:57,000 favorite, like Reagan era when he was you know, the nineteen seventy six 406 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,599 convention. If you listen to that Ronald Reagan, I mean, I think 407 00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:12,279 you really see the intense, intensely skilled communication that he was able to harness 408 00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:16,960 to his success so and to this to a way that made people feel really 409 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:22,319 good about the country. That you probably disagree or maybe you disagree both of 410 00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:25,720 these commenters about whether he was tricking the country lulling people into a false sense 411 00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:36,839 of security. But I also think we do a we forget that there were 412 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:42,880 a lot of mistakes made after people like Ronald Reagan, and I'd wonder myself 413 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,440 if Ronald Reagan would have made some of those mistakes. It also kind of 414 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:52,400 reminds me of criticisms of Nut Gangrich, who came in after what forty years 415 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:58,079 forty years of democratic control of the House of Representatives. Ronald Reagan came in 416 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,599 as somebody who detests a big government with you know, decades of a big 417 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:08,679 government post Wilsonian sort of built up, and you know, the sort of 418 00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:12,719 experiment in that space. Actually, if you look back at media coverage, 419 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,639 was like the Heritage Foundation was criticizing Ronald Reagan like halfway through his presidency for 420 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:22,119 not disbanding the Department of Education. So why do I think the right still 421 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:27,079 revers ron Reagan. I think because the vibes were so strong. I don't 422 00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:31,599 necessarily think it's attached to specific policies beyond the policy of loving the United States 423 00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:38,360 and loving your fellow Americans and having reason for optimism and help that was expressed 424 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,800 really well by Ronald Reagan. I actually think that's flatly why the right Revere's 425 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:49,519 Reagan. I could absolutely say, we could absolutely have conversations about the sort 426 00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:54,760 of Latin American policy. Latin American policy is a good example, Wall Street 427 00:34:54,760 --> 00:35:00,840 policy, market policy, things that were regulations that were eased that people or 428 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,079 or groups like American compass I think in recent years we've had Orn cass On 429 00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:07,199 here many times have done a good job of breaking down things that happened in 430 00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:13,079 the eighties in the Reagan administration. Absolutely willing to have those conversations. I 431 00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:17,400 think though that the and Ron Reagan came in with union support, by the 432 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:22,960 way, and obviously that speaks to something that he was able to Again, 433 00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:27,039 you know, I get people will say he lulled the working class into a 434 00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:30,880 false sense of security or the middle class into a false sense of security. 435 00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:34,480 But people are smart, they make their own decisions, and a lot of 436 00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:39,079 for a lot of people, they don't like the American left, and if 437 00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:43,280 someone, if a politician on the right, is able to inspire them with 438 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,000 a sense of optimism and help about the country, that's really really powerful. 439 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:55,159 And so I wouldn't be too dismissive or I wouldn't say, you know, 440 00:35:55,199 --> 00:35:59,760 people who are middle class or working class who liked Ronald Reagan then or who 441 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:06,320 maybe like Ronald Reagan now, don't have anything in favor of that argument, 442 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,840 because you know, even if an economic policy, let's say, is it's 443 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:16,920 debatable whether that that does trickle down. Even if that's the case for a 444 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,880 lot of people, not everyone, but for a lot of people, there's 445 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,599 this just intense dislike of the left that people like Ronald Reagan were really effective 446 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:34,199 at arguing against and sort of yeah, doing the the restoration of the American 447 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:39,639 vibes. So to get into in my position on trickle down economics and China 448 00:36:39,679 --> 00:36:45,519 manufacturing under the Reagan administration would be a policy or would be a podcast in 449 00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:47,079 and of itself, and actually we should do that. I'm going to make 450 00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:51,480 a note to do that and to go deep on that, and maybe we 451 00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:54,519 can even get some Reagan people on to talk about it. But yeah, 452 00:36:54,639 --> 00:36:58,800 my point is basically the vibes. So that's why people revere round Reagan, 453 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,880 and I think, you know, there's a pretty good argument for that. 454 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:07,519 Let's see, here's another one. What are your thoughts of the alleged meeting 455 00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:15,840 between Trump and DeSantis inevitable inevitable because Trump is going to be asked, you 456 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:22,039 know, about DeSantis. Desanta's is constantly going to be asked about Donald Trump, 457 00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:27,039 and Donald Trump is a very transactional politician, and politicians are known for 458 00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:30,440 being transactional. Donald Trump, uh to, to his credit, often is 459 00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:37,639 very transparent about being transactional in a way that other politicians aren't. So he 460 00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:43,920 We've seen this with other people over the years. He's he's pretty forgiving when 461 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:49,199 people, when people are willing to, uh, you know, be transactional, 462 00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:54,039 to give and to do a little push and pull a little bit of 463 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:59,119 that negotiating tug of war. You give me this, I'll give you this. 464 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,400 H So it's not surprising, you know, I don't know if Trump 465 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:07,320 said I'll basically keep giving you my support in Florida, I don't know. 466 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,480 I actually don't know what really happened bhying closed doors. I'm not surprised by 467 00:38:10,519 --> 00:38:15,679 it. I think DeSantis has Desanta's was one of the people who was most 468 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:21,599 boldly maga before he was governor, when he was running for governor, because 469 00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:24,760 he knew his state. Well. He's smart, so he's he's also just 470 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:30,599 a clever politician, and they're both clever politicians, So it seems to me 471 00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:36,000 like at this time a good relationship is mutually beneficial to them. So I'm 472 00:38:36,039 --> 00:38:39,519 not surprised it's not. There's no political benefit to Ron DeSantis, and he's 473 00:38:39,559 --> 00:38:44,920 seen this with people like Liz Cheney or Adam Kinsinger or even another good example 474 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,840 is maybe like ken Buck, there's no real benefit politically to Ron DeSantis continuing 475 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:54,480 to criticize Donald Trump. I think they are both people who say, yeah, 476 00:38:54,519 --> 00:38:59,079 that was the primary. They're just you know, smart politicians. They 477 00:38:59,159 --> 00:39:02,199 understand that supporting each other. They both fairly well liked, but especially DeSantis 478 00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:06,400 towards Trump. I mean, Trump is the leader of the party. Uh 479 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,760 and run de Santis lost the primary to him. So there you go. 480 00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:15,599 Jeffas asks, are the Trump trials a quote crossing of the Rubicon moment in 481 00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:20,079 American history will lead to all future presidents being prosecuted after leaving office. Are 482 00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:22,760 there any benefits to having the office of president being more open to prosecution? 483 00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:30,320 This is the biggest question I think in American politics right now, and I 484 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:36,760 think it is unanswered, and I think that's always been part of the you 485 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,559 know, we want to have black and white opinions on Donald Trump. People 486 00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:43,719 have wanted to have black and white opinions about Donald Trump since twenty fifteen. 487 00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:51,320 Politically, I don't think we've had enough time to answer some of these questions 488 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,440 about Donald Trump that, you know, and I respect people who do say, 489 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,239 you know, I am either firmly in the black camp or firmly in 490 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,760 the white camp, and that actually kind of works because they're they're firmly black 491 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,559 built, they're white built. But I respect people who do think that we've 492 00:40:05,559 --> 00:40:10,760 had answers to that question. But whether Trump ends up being a net positive 493 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,599 or a net negative for the country, I think depends on kind of the 494 00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:19,840 answer to this question. If we're able to look back in retrospect and say, 495 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,559 yes, this was a crossing of the Rubicon moment, and then you 496 00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:27,920 know, did Donald Trump? Should Donald Trump have just kind of retreated from 497 00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:31,039 politics and let someone like Rondo Santis who wouldn't fight just like Donald Trump? 498 00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:34,519 You know, I'm making this is the argument. I also don't know what 499 00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:36,400 the answer to this question would be, and I won't pretend I know what 500 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,960 the answer this question would be. You know, should we have let someone 501 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,280 else get in there and fight all the evil forces of the deep state, 502 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,159 and that would have been, you know, more effective than Donald Trump, 503 00:40:45,199 --> 00:40:51,880 who is being prosecuted in ways that violate norms, that push Democrats to violate 504 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:57,480 norms because they see that Donald Trump violated all of these sacred norms. And 505 00:40:57,519 --> 00:41:01,320 Donald Trump did violate some norms and ways that made me feel uncomfortable. I 506 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:06,360 won't pretend otherwise. You know, I always use the example who's tweet about 507 00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:10,559 Mika Brazinski's facelift while he was in office, which is just like, it's 508 00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:15,199 a silly little example. It is so ungentlemanly, it is so beneath the 509 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:16,199 dignity of the office. And then some people will say, well, what 510 00:41:16,199 --> 00:41:19,960 do you mean the dignity of the office? Bill Clinton and John F. 511 00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:24,320 Kennedy, but Bill Clinton in particular, the physical office lost its dignity under 512 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,920 Bill Clinton. And they'll point out wars and said, well, what's the 513 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,519 you know, the dignity of the office. You're upset about the dignity of 514 00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:36,800 the office being soiled by a tweet about a cable news host's facelift. And 515 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,480 to that, I say, again, I understand the argument. I get 516 00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:43,679 it personally. I just don't think we've had answers to all of those questions 517 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,760 yet, about whether the dignity of the office would be is restorable, About 518 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:58,760 what about, frankly, where the country can go in terms of war powers, 519 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:05,599 right like bringing in the explosion or the expansion of war powers, and 520 00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:10,360 about you know, being a just presence on the world stage, about surveillance, 521 00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:15,480 about all of these things. And there was a lot of room for 522 00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:17,519 improvement. We talked about that with Ronald Reagan, but also with the Trump 523 00:42:17,559 --> 00:42:21,320 administration. And it's easy, with the benefit of hindsight to say, well, 524 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,239 they could have done this better, this better, this better. I 525 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:29,400 mean, that's kind of my whole perspective on Reagan Cold War policy at this 526 00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:31,440 point, is that some of that is you know, I have a lot 527 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:36,519 of real criticisms, not just of the Reagan Cold War policy, although I 528 00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:39,880 think that was a benefit in the long term, just you know, like 529 00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:45,159 Latin America. And we did a couple of different podcasts in the last six 530 00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:51,880 months here on the Dulles brothers, the CIA and all like it was any 531 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:58,679 of it, were any of the constitutional and culturally healthy norms that were violated 532 00:42:58,679 --> 00:43:02,519 before Donald Trump. Is this I don't want to sound like a leninist. 533 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:13,760 Is this what was Trump something that finally woke the country up into fixing the 534 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:20,960 erosion of those norms, into forcing elites to preserve and restore healthy norms. 535 00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:28,280 You know, the Tea Party tried, others have tried anti Bush movements tried 536 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,280 on the war powers and surveillance, and then you got Obama, Obama, 537 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:37,639 and then they wanted Clinton. You know, could any of this really have 538 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:44,480 been truly restored? I don't know. But for Donald Trump, right, 539 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:49,239 I don't know, you know, I don't know, And I don't know. 540 00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:55,599 If you know, Donald Trump loses, I don't know if I don't 541 00:43:55,599 --> 00:44:00,159 know how Democrats are going to handle that. I don't know if he wins, 542 00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:02,679 how Democrats are going to handle that. I don't know how Trump supporters 543 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:07,880 will handle that. I just think this is a majorly unanswered question, and 544 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,079 I'm I think it's the most important. I'm obviously very interested in it. 545 00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:16,760 I think it's like the most important question. This is from Brandon, who 546 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:22,480 says, Emily are the best thank you compliment accepted? How much of the 547 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,280 current areas of current public dilemmas with Israel, Gaza, Ukraine, WROTETCA would 548 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:30,559 have happened anyway with an R in charge. Another really interesting question, because 549 00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:34,079 if it's just any R versus Trump, I don't know, like the way 550 00:44:34,119 --> 00:44:38,199 Trump has been talking about how Israel has had a real public relations disaster or 551 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,159 been, you know, in a real public relations disaster of its own making. 552 00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:45,280 He said that in a Time magazine interview this week, echoes comments that 553 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:50,559 he made earlier. Donald Trump is like the Madman theory right with foreign policy, 554 00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:53,440 I don't know. I mean, there's no way Trump would have waived 555 00:44:53,519 --> 00:45:01,199 norse stream sanctions. I think there's a good argument that who wouldn't have invaded 556 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,960 under Donald Trump, not just because of mad Man theory, but also just 557 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:09,760 because of different choices policy choices that an administration would have made. I don't 558 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:15,480 know. I think that's still an unanswered question about the Abraham McCords and October 559 00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:20,119 seventh. I don't know what would have happened if Donald Trump would have won 560 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,679 a second term. But I actually think, to the point of this question 561 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:28,360 from Brandon, I actually think a lot of these fissures were bound. A 562 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:34,320 lot of these divisions were bound to manifest themselves in different ways. You know, 563 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,000 whether a Republican or a Democrat was in charge as different conflicts flared up 564 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:45,039 around the world. So I don't think I think these divisions are very real 565 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:51,840 and are growing, and they would have popped up no matter who's in charge. 566 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,360 It's just a matter of sort of when they would have popped up and 567 00:45:53,880 --> 00:46:00,800 in what ways they would have popped up. Tony says, why don't House 568 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:07,000 Republicans work with House Democrats to pass a bipartisan border security bill? Great question. 569 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,519 I think you know. My own perfective on this is fundamentally because of 570 00:46:10,559 --> 00:46:14,920 what happened in the Senate. I think you'd have the exact same dynamic on 571 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:21,159 the House side. No different because at the end of the day, Democrats 572 00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:30,880 do not want to take necessary steps, tough steps, because they've sort of 573 00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:36,559 already said where they stand on tough detention policies, and without tough detention policies. 574 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:38,920 You know, this is one of the reasons many Orchus was in portant 575 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,840 it was impeached. I just made up a new word, pretty good. 576 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,039 But one of the reasons he was impeached is that, you know, the 577 00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:51,320 law says you have to detain people while their asylum claims are processed, and 578 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,719 that is optics that Democrats just fundamentally don't want They don't believe in that. 579 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,679 I don't think they believe in that policy. And that's where you get this 580 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,599 huge, huge volume of people because they don't have to stay in detention while 581 00:47:04,679 --> 00:47:07,280 a dubious asylum claim is processed. We have sanctuary cities all over the country. 582 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,119 You can just sort of go and disappear in the shadows. And I 583 00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:15,000 think Democrats, you can do these things that tweak around the edges of asylum 584 00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:19,199 policy, and they can come to the table in some big changes on asylum 585 00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,000 policy. For example, like they didn't senate, but they added so many 586 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,079 exemptions in carve outs, et cetera, because that's exactly what they want the 587 00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:28,400 president to be able to do, is to avoid those optics of detention. 588 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:36,559 So do I think there's like some grand conspiracy theory afoot? Now? I 589 00:47:36,559 --> 00:47:40,280 think they just care more about the politics of this. They like they like 590 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:46,480 the political advantages that come from avoiding those optics, criticizing Republicans on those optics. 591 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:53,159 And also, you know they've said as much they think these new demographics, 592 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:59,079 if they get you know, voting rights and legalization, et cetera, 593 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:07,199 ultimately to their benefit. But yeah, they just don't want to be seen 594 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:13,960 as being tough on migrants. So I just I don't think even with so 595 00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:20,599 called moderate Democrats, there's any common ground. Until the media holds Democrats honest 596 00:48:20,639 --> 00:48:25,920 on this policy, and until Democrats are willing to grapple, until Democratic voters 597 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:30,159 force their own politicians, until they develop a sort of cultural appetite for those 598 00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:37,400 tough policies, there's basically basically nothing that can be done, if that makes 599 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:42,760 sense. I actually accidentally skipped a little bit of Dimitri's question about he said, 600 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,679 really shocked to find you defending the illegal actions of the pro homasque propose, 601 00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:47,360 stay in protest on campus, still breaking into buildings or just breaking a 602 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:52,119 few windows, careering Ryan Graham is cool vandalism, property distruction, to stall 603 00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:54,039 the school because it's not free speech. No, it's not free speech. 604 00:48:54,199 --> 00:49:00,320 And I think I actually tweeted back at Dmitri, I said as much on 605 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:05,199 the show, that's not free speech. They smashed into the Columbia students, 606 00:49:05,199 --> 00:49:08,480 that is, it was a one of their This is what it seems like 607 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,480 so far, based on what we know, reporting about what we know, 608 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,559 A I believe a sixty three year old According to the Free Press, protest 609 00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:22,000 leader kind of professional organizer punched through a window, unlocked the door, and 610 00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:28,480 trespassed into the building and then set up the barricade so they could hold the 611 00:49:28,519 --> 00:49:32,679 building. That's not free speech, obviously, and that's not really peaceful, 612 00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,280 you know, smashing through a window, No, not free speech deserves to 613 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:43,440 be scrutinized very toughly. That type of tactic does. And actually, at 614 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,840 the end of the very segment we're talking about in this exchange, Ryan said, 615 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,800 you know, he hopes that people who are protesting right now learn from 616 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:55,800 the civil rights movement that there's power in responding to, for example, law 617 00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:04,159 enforcement with peace. And I could not possibly agree with that more. Whether 618 00:50:04,199 --> 00:50:07,880 you're on the right or the left. It's in Ryan said this too. 619 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:13,719 It's really tempting right now to give into arguments that you know, we need 620 00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:19,800 to resort to force and violence in what was otherwise you know, civil disobedience. 621 00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:25,360 There's nothing civil about you know, smashing through the glass, that's for 622 00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:31,119 sure, Poverty, destruction, attacks, all of that. No, that's 623 00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:36,719 that's not free speech. It's not civil disobedience. And you know, I 624 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,440 believe very much, I know there's all kinds of criticism of Martin Luther King 625 00:50:40,519 --> 00:50:45,079 Junior that we also don't need to get into. I have my own thoughts 626 00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:49,639 on those criticisms, plenty of them actually, And I think we actually did 627 00:50:49,639 --> 00:50:52,480 a podcast around MLKDA with de Lanno Squires that people can go back and listen 628 00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:59,199 to about Martin Luther King in particular. But I believe in the philosophy of 629 00:50:59,199 --> 00:51:02,119 civil disobedience, and Martin Luther King Junior, for again, we could debate 630 00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:07,719 his bona fides as a reverend, but he based a lot of that on 631 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:13,199 Christian ethics, and so yeah, I believe in civil disobedience. Three snow 632 00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,039 wanted to respond to this question from Dimitrius that you know, some people even 633 00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:22,000 you know on on Making Kelly's show last week, we were talking about actual 634 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,880 threats about violence or calls for violence and anti Semites, and I had a 635 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:32,599 list in front of me of examples that I had compiled of examples specifically of 636 00:51:32,639 --> 00:51:40,440 those those sort of non civil and you know, non let's say, let's 637 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:49,400 say, what's the best word, not merely political sort of disagreements, not 638 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,960 not disagreements, but sort of demonstrators on different campuses. So that would be 639 00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,760 the Alcassan's next target. Lady I literally had a list in front of me 640 00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,519 while I was on this segment and then on breaking points. The next day 641 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:07,280 we interviewed the counter points. The next day we interviewed a protester. The 642 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:13,599 girl I mentioned earlier is Sofia Southi, who was absolutely peaceful Jewish leader of 643 00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:15,880 an encampment. And while I think the most important thing here to recognize is 644 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:23,360 that smart young Americans like Sofia Southi are actually in this movement that I think 645 00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:30,559 has foundational criticisms of the American project, I also think, you know the 646 00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:34,000 fact that we all agree on justice, and I wrote this in the Federalists. 647 00:52:34,039 --> 00:52:37,599 We have different concepts of what justice is. But this idea that you 648 00:52:37,639 --> 00:52:42,000 know justice, it is worth striving for justice and to create a better world, 649 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,280 Well, gosh, I'm at least glad that young people agree on that 650 00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:50,519 point, you know so. And if you're not doing anything wrong, if 651 00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:54,360 you are engaged in civil disobedience and you're not complaining about getting consequences for breaking 652 00:52:54,440 --> 00:53:00,679 rules, oh this is fine. I don't think it's great when people are, 653 00:53:01,639 --> 00:53:06,039 you know, I think the school has every right to clear encampments, 654 00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:10,079 and students lose their right to complain about that if they're openly violating the rules. 655 00:53:10,119 --> 00:53:15,280 That's what happens with civil disobedience. But if you're not anti Semitic, 656 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:20,920 if you are not pro hamas in fact, if you're Jewish and you believe 657 00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,519 for reasons that I think are goes to this appetite for anti Americanism among younger 658 00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:30,199 people, that what we're seeing transpires a genocide, then we should engage with 659 00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:36,000 people on that level. And so that's not Those are not two different positions 660 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,880 at all, although some people were that's one thing I got comments about and 661 00:53:40,199 --> 00:53:44,400 tweets about and all of that. Those are not two different positions, I 662 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:45,920 think. Actually, in fact, one of the interesting things about this current 663 00:53:46,119 --> 00:53:51,440 wave of campus protests is that those are not two different positions. That there 664 00:53:51,559 --> 00:54:00,239 is there is something so there's something so disgusting and then something that is you 665 00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:07,920 know, disagreeable and even more widespread than what's more disgusting, and the disgusting 666 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,840 stuff sadly will always be with us. I hope it is minimized. We 667 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:15,239 should work to minimize it. But you know, the disagreeableness is so widespread 668 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:22,320 that that's I think what should scare people even more so. Anyway, last 669 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:30,840 question here is from Amish Nasa. That's the twinter account. We'll end on 670 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,719 something kind of funny here. What's your favorite song to play on guitar? 671 00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,320 Is what Amish Nasa has asked. Yeah, I've I've got guitars behind me. 672 00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:43,840 My background shot if you know, I'm on zoom or Skype or whatever. 673 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,719 Let's see, I don't really have a favorite song to play on guitar. 674 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,719 The only background that I can give is that if my dad is very 675 00:54:52,760 --> 00:55:00,760 musical, he's plays guitar, drums, all that. And so I got 676 00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:06,760 a guitar for my eighth birthday and he taught me and I went to guitar 677 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:12,519 lessons a little bit. I have no proclivity. I have no innate musical 678 00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:19,159 talent, and that became clear very quickly, very very quickly, as I 679 00:55:19,199 --> 00:55:23,159 started learning music. I was unfortunately a band kid throughout high school, so 680 00:55:23,199 --> 00:55:28,320 I have a lot of familiarity with music, and I guess I have, 681 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,480 you know, some technical ability, even if it is not rooted in an 682 00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:36,840 innate musical skill. But because I have been sort of tinking around, tinkering 683 00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,239 around since I was like eight years old, and I do have all of 684 00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:45,519 that now, like embedded knowledge about like circle of fifths. And I was 685 00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:50,559 in percussion, so I love playing drums, so I actually probably prefer that 686 00:55:50,599 --> 00:55:54,400 to guitar, but you know, because it's there's also something like physically cathartic 687 00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:59,519 about playing drums, So I have a come home behind me that people probably 688 00:55:59,519 --> 00:56:02,880 say too. So I don't have like a favorite song, but I do 689 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:08,519 just love you know, I'm proficient, definitely not great, I'm proficient, 690 00:56:08,639 --> 00:56:13,760 but I just I really do enjoy. I think there's something especially that I've 691 00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:21,360 found as social media has proliferated, there's something so powerful about getting completely involved 692 00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,079 in playing music that it makes you, at least for me, it makes 693 00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:29,840 you forget about notifications. It makes you care more, I should say, 694 00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:32,639 cares so much about you know, finishing a song, learning a song, 695 00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:38,320 than or just enjoying music, you know, enjoying playing along to something that 696 00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:45,239 just makes you forget about the notifications or makes them just seem unimportant at least 697 00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:49,320 for the moment. So that's my favorite part about you know, the musical 698 00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,400 instruments in my apartment is that you know, you tink around with them and 699 00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,519 you kind of lose track of time. So I don't have a favorite song, 700 00:56:55,639 --> 00:56:59,639 but I just, you know, I'm just happy to be here. 701 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,960 That's all I answered that, all right. Well, on that note, 702 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,079 I just appreciate it everyone for the questions. Thank you always for emailing radio 703 00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:10,840 at the Federals dot com, and more than anything, thank you for listening. 704 00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:15,000 I know a lot of shows asked for reviews every day. I think 705 00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,280 I asked for last week. I'm trying to get better about it, but 706 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:22,000 if you do have a nice review to leave, five star reviews are super, 707 00:57:22,039 --> 00:57:24,880 super helpful to every podcast, and you know, I guess I should 708 00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:30,960 be better about requesting that on this one because we're very lucky to have so 709 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:34,960 many faithful, loyal listeners over the years, and it means a lot to 710 00:57:35,039 --> 00:57:37,159 us. Means the world to us, So feel free to always get in 711 00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:40,199 touch. Thank you for your questions, and I hope everybody has a wonderful 712 00:57:40,239 --> 00:57:44,760 weekend. God bless you've been listening to another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. 713 00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:46,800 Mentally Kishinski, culture editor here at the Federalists. We'll be back soon 714 00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:51,079 with more. Until then, be the lovers of freedom and anxious for the 715 00:57:51,119 --> 00:58:08,480 fry hearn the reason, and then it faded away. Mm hm