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You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio
Network, the best in paranormal talk radio

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in the UK and around the world. Hey everybody, we're here. We're

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culturally diverse city, Toronto, home of

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Blue Jays, Raptors, Make Reliefs, and Canadian psychic Robert Lindsay Miln.

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That's me. Welcome to my side
of the crystal ball. We're going down

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a different path tonight. We're going
to be covering the paranormal. And I

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have two guests on today, Kristen
and Chris, and they have their own

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podcast and it's called Bigfoot and the
Bunney. A fascinating interview. This is

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an area of the psychism or the
paranormal I haven't found much, I haven't

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explored very much. And the information
and ideas and stories and ways of thinking

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that they're sharing with us tonight just
bloom me away. So it's an exciting

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show. You're going to be hearing
a whole lot of things. And generally

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because I've always been afraid of the
paranormal because it's evil and awful and negative,

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and I'm finding out that does not
quite the case. So Bigfoot on

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the money. They're in the expert's
chair tonight. Before we start, I've

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YouTube, and TikTok. And now, without further ado, here comes ww

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R S. Have you ever wondered
how we can do a psychic reading for

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somebody. Let's say I'm in Toronto
and somebody else is in Australia. Have

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you ever thought, how does that
happen? How can you be connect with

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somebody ten thousand miles away? How
is that possible? I'd like to explain

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that to you, and I'd like
to talk about how it happens and the

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way you do it. So I
think I'm going to be doing a couple

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of wwr SS about this topic.
So I'm going to start off with how

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I started to do distance readings when
I didn't even know I was doing distance

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readings. I had just left the
tea room i'd been started to work at

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that Larry's Hideaway hotel. I was
I think about twenty one twenty two,

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and I worked at you know,
a few nights on the front desk,

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and then the rest of the days
I did psychic readings. And one day,

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I you know, I might have
been twenty three, I woke up

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and looked around and there I was
living in this fleabag hotel. In exchange

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for room and board, I was
I was getting paid a few you know,

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I got I got did other readings
and that brought in some money.

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And I just looked around and I
thought to myself, this is not what

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I have in mind for what I
want to do with my life, with

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my career. And I thought and
thought and thought about what other ways I

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could do to market myself. Now
now I say market, it wasn't that

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sophistic dedicated. Then I was twenty
three and somewhat allric So I thought,

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I wonder if I could do a
reading for someone in front of me?

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Could I do a reading for somebody
on the telephone? And the only way

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to find out is to phone somebody
and give it a try. So I

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started to phone my friends and they
would I would always ask permission. I

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started to phone my friends on a
regular basis, like every every day,

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not same. Once I started to
phone my friends and I started to practice

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doing psychic readings over the telephone.
Now this was back in the mid nineteen

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seventies that nobody did that then,
nobody even considered that then, and I

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just thought up, maybe I could
do it. So after several months practice

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with with with friends or or learning
UM, I started asking my friends if

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they could tell their friends or ask
their friends if I could call them.

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And I was, and I was
doing that on a regular basis. And

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then I used to just give out
my phone number. And incidentally, I

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used to come through the hotel front
desk and up to my room and it

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was one of those old fashioned switch
sports. And when I was calling out

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to people, um, he would, you know, the desk clerk that

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I was also a part time right, he would have to dial the phone

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and he'd also listened into the phone
calls as well. So um, anyway,

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I then asked people to start calling
me, and I just giving out

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my number. And this went on, you know, for little maybe a

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year and a half or so,
and and you know, i'd get you

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know, it would be like three
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phone call, hello, as Joe, what can you tell me? You

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know? And I would go from
a sleep to awake, and then I

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would just blab whenever I come but
hanging up the phone, gonna go back

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to sleep. That went on for
a while, and then one day I

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said to myself, how can I
get the money? Like, how can

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I get paid? Because in nineteen
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all, credit cards were not ubiquitous
then as they are now, and even

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if they were, they weren't going
to give me living in a hotel with

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no visible means of support. Nobody
was going to let me be a credit

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card merchant, so I thought,
and I thought, and I saw it.

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I wonder if I can do readings
on the telephone, could I do

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readings on the radio on the telephone? And I thought, Wow, what

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a thought. So a friend of
mine lived in was from a small city

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north of Toronto, Arelio, and
there was a radio station in Arelio.

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And I thought, the only way
I'm going to find out if you can

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do this on the radio on the
telephone is beyond the radio and the telephone.

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So I phoned that radio station and
it was a very small one and

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it was either c j O R
CFO R one is a Vancouver station.

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I was on the other so cfter
c j O R and the little small

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town radio station. The the talk
show host was also the morning man,

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and he also was the program director
as well, and his name was Rusty

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Draper. And I phoned up and
I spoke to him, and I told

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him that my name was Robert Lindsay
mill And and I just started using that

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name. And I told him that
I could do psychic reetings for his callers

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and you know, he was kind
of a graff, and he said,

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well, if you can do what
you say, you're on my show tomorrow

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morning at nine o'clock. And if
you can't do what you say, you're

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off my show tomorrow morning at nine
to fifteen. But if on those conditions,

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come on up. So I agreed
to the conditions. I didn't have

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any money, by the way,
and I was going on that radio show,

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so I hied hitch hiked all the
way up to Aurelia that day.

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And there's a lake there called Lake
Kuchi Chin, and it's right right The

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city is right on Lake Kuchi Chin. And um I slept in the park

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at night and and I swam in
the lake for my bath, you know,

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my shower, and um I got
to the now the radio show at

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the station, they were also broadcasting
the talk show from the dining room in

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the Howard Johnson's Hotel, and it
was so so that they could promote the

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dining room so people would come and
have dinner there and things I got besides

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the guests. So I showed up, you know, I slept in the

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park and swam them in the lake. I showed up at that the hotel

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and they weren't sure if they're gonna
let me in. And anyway, I

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showed them I was on the show. And I went into the dining room

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and it was just empty. There
was nobody there, and and I waited

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around, and you know, like
there were a couple of technicians, and

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then Rusty Draper showed up and he
introduced himself and then we went straight down

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and sat on the platform where they
did the show and in front of all

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these empty tables, and he started
to interview with me. And then he

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said, so, if you're so
psychic, you were it like five minutes

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after the hour. He says,
so, if you're so psychic, And

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there's no callers and there's nobody in
the restaurant, so he says, so,

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if you're so psychic, you know, do something for me. And

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I said, so there's some kind
of Now this is from you have to

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remember, this is back in the
nineteen seventy six, is you know?

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So I have to I'm telling the
story. The exact detail isn't so the

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exact words. So I said something
about him having a business meeting with a

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person named Richardson, and Rusty's face
turned white and he said nobody knows that

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and what it turned out to be. He was being into food for another

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job. Anyway, he got serious
with me and then we started taking calls.

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Within about twenty minutes go to the
small town one radio station. They

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could hardly get any others. About
twenty minutes into the show, people started

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coming to the hotel into the you
know, the dining room, and by

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nine thirty the dining room was almost
full. And at twenty to ten,

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the dining room was full and people
were coming up to the platform and asking

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me all kinds you know, like
um standing there and I would do some

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things and then we would start,
you know, we'd do phone calls and

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things like that. And at about
ten to ten the place was packed.

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There were some people standing outside,
and Rusty looked at me and he said,

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can you stay on for another hour? They changed the programming because this

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was so popular in this town.
So I said sure, and we did

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another hour from ten to eleven,
and there were lineups outside and people were

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coming up to the microphone and the
place was just bouncing. But the big

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thing is I was doing the exact
same psychic things for the people in front

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of me as I was doing for
the people on the telephone on the radio.

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It was quite amazing. This went
on until about ten ten to minutes

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to eleven, and then Rusty said
to me, can you stay on for

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another hour? And I said sure. I was just buzzing like I had

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never buzzed before, and the people
just kept coming up and coming up and

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coming up. And this went on
and on, and also the phone lines

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were jammed, and I was doing
the same kind of information with the people

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on the phone and the people in
person, and the people that would be

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listening on the radio wouldn't have been
able to tell the difference. How can

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you possibly explain that? How can
that possibly be done? Well, I'm

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going to explain that in the next
segment of ww r F. My guest

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tonight on the Expert's Chair is a
couple Kristen and Chris, and they are

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experts and they study the paranormal,
talking to spirits, finding haunted houses,

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doing all kinds of psychic things that
I've never heard of before. They've had

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guests talking about things that I have
never heard about before. They have so

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much new information. It's really exciting
talking with krist and Kristen all about the

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Paranormum and Bigfoot in the Bunny.
So I just want to get to this

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interview right now. So I'd like
to welcome Chris and Kristen to the show.

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Hey, Chris and Kristen, thanks
a lot for being on my side

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of the Crystal ball tonight. Hey
guys, welcome to my show. It's

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really exciting, you know, having
you on, because I've been on I

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think I've been on with you,
you guys, but what three times?

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Is it? Yeah? And and
you were instrumental in in in me deciding

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that I was going to be doing
my podcast and in the early days it

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you know, it got me all
excited about making my coming out of semi

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retirement. So thank you for that. Um, thank you for being on

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our show. Yea, we enjoy
having you. Thank you to be on

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the other side of the table here. Yeah. So so, um,

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how did you two come up with
the idea of doing a podcast? I'm

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curious about that. But what inspired
you? Well, we have a pretty

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good story about that, Christy.
I have known each other and cross paths

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like our entire life that seem we
grew up a town from each other,

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and um, yeah, there's there's
a lot of intersections and synchronicities that go

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along with that. But long and
short of it is, we ended up

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dating and Kristen was very turned off
to the idea of the paranormal because she

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had had such traumatic experiences as a
child. And this is something we find

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with our guests. Almost all of
them have had some sort of haunted childhood

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experiences, including both of us,
and it seems to carry on. So

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if you're an adult and you're into
these kind of paranormal things or parapsychology,

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there's a good chance that you may
have had some sort of childhood experiences.

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But the story goes, um,
we were dating for a couple of years

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before we ever did anything paranormal.
So you were big at you were really

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intrepared, right correct, nothing to
do with it. I had been on

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paranormal teams and that sort of thing, done all this, and I kind

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of gave up to and we went
out and her house. You want to

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so, so Kristin you you believed
in the paranormal, You were just petrified

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of it traumatizing childhood. So I
didn't want anything to do with I blocked

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a lot of things out and yeah, and a lot of your guests that

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you met, um that are into
paranormal have had negative experiences, not necessarily

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negative, but they've all almost all
there are exceptions, have had some sort

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of haunted childhood with a house they
grew up and as a child, you

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know, the monster in the closet
are under the bed was just a little

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bit too real, right, you
know, and things would move around or

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whatever it is. It's different by
everybody, but yeah, they seem to

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have some kind of experience and I
think it's an interesting statistic and it's not

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something I would have known without having
the podcast, you know on twice a

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week now, so we talked to
a lot of people and um, yeah,

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that's almost always the role. UM. So when you say paranormal,

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what is it that you mean by
paranormal? I don't even know what paranormal

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is and I've been doing my job
fifty plus years. What is paranormal?

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Well, to us, it's I
was gonna say anything that has to do

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with um, anything from UFOs to
I don't know ghosts, and yeah,

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it's really you know, paranormal just
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normal, something that doesn't have to
day to day life. That it's hard

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to explain or rationalize. It could
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could be you know, alien obduction, phenomenal, it's paranormal. Sore is

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being psychic and paranormal, I would
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these things are related. You know, our real driving force is trying to

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figure out why it happens and why
it occurs. Being psychic U with all

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the clares and everything, it helps
as well the claar sentient and you know,

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yes yea to tune into what might
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be in our own homes. Um, Christen's home had become haunted. So

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that's where we were leading to.
But that's oh I said, didn't mean

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I just needed I are just asking
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This is great. No, her
house was built in and what seventeen forty

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Wow, that's quite old. That
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America, seventeen seventy six, is
you're right? Wow? Yeah. King

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Phillip's War, which is the greatest
battle between the white man and the Native

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Americanist Native Americans indigenous people here,
started in Swansea, in her town and

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right actually where I close by.
Yeah, so you were you were seeing

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and sensing and energies and entities in
and around where you lived. Yes,

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also things are moving and things were
lighting up, and refrigerator door was opening

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and by itself, and it's really
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I was hearing because I'm a little
Claire audience, and I was hearing voices

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and things, and um, we're
being like it is a throne, and

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it was just getting too much.
It was building like there's a lot of

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activity on the stairwell, people going
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That sort of thing. So she
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says, you know, Chris,
why don't we just try to, you

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know, do your thing and we'll
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So I grabbed a recorder similar to
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recorder and um also a spirit box, and I believe it was this one

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here. And what a spirit box
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radio where it'll scan the channels but
not stop on anyone like this one here

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is old, old school and I
made this. I had to manipulate the

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electronics in it because they didn't sell
them prepackaged back then. This is an

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old radio shock radio. So when
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seek to the next channel, it'll
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why I clipped the wire, just
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I basically broke the seek function intentionally. And we use those two devices

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and just did like this twenty minute
session asking questions and nobody's home, just

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her and I and we're asking questions
and we got a whole bunch of data

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from that. We got EVPs,
which is electronic Voice phenomena, which is

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a disembodied voice saying things like Kristen
at Kristen and Chris, just wait,

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and these other other things. One
of the spirit Box captures I'll play for

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you, Okay, yes, I'd
like to hear that. It's it's we're

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setting this up because remember this is
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So yeah, and Kristen was like
really scared. So when was this like

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what we know? It wasn't last
year now, nineteen, about nineteen twenty

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nineteen, early twenty nineteen. Oh
that's not that's not long ago. Yeah,

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okay, but it was. It
was so much data involved. It

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you know, we ended up pursuing
it, but keeping my christ listen to

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the stuff back for like three weeks
would frightened because it was actually answering her

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questions and stuff. Yeah, hardly
way to hear this. I'm freaking out

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here we go, Oh that,
yes, okay, I wasn't sure,

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so, like Kristen, I hope
that came through. Okay, it's just

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Kristin, please help? Is that
what I said? I heard something about

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Kristen and then some space and a
sound, but I did hear christ I

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thought it was you talking to Christen. It was it was and and and

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the spirit knew your name. Yes
they knew. Wow. Yes, yeah,

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it's a common phenomena for us,
especially her, but we both got

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it and our names are similar.
It's Chris and Kristen. Yeah, you

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know, we get Chris and Kristen
back a lot on investigating our recordings,

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which it was a little, you
know, spooky at first, but how

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would you spooky? In my first
time, I was like, oh my

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god, it said my name.
You can hear in my voice. I'm

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freaking out, and I'm like,
oh then and it says please help me.

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Yeah, because it says that in
the music as well. But you

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hear that clear Kristen, police help. And it was not one time,

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it's several times, and it's even
without the radio. So we did about

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half that session with nothing, just
the recorder going, and you know,

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we hear this whispery voice gona hate
Kristen and stuff in the background like whoa

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that was going on? No,
we didn't hear that in real time.

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It was one who played back right, you know, but we did hear

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the spare box in real time because
it's loud. So yeah, that kind

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of got us started. It took
her about three weeks to get over that

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and then I want to listen.
She got into it after that and the

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first one I wants to play back
the data? Yeah, you know.

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So so how do you go about
getting that data? And how do you

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know where to go? After you
checked out your house? Then then how

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do you find the places to go
to? Well, there are plenty of

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like known haunted location for sure,
you know, things like Lizzie Borden's house

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and uh, there's a seminary that
feels like Lizzie bo and Lizzie Blunton,

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uh something, and gave her dad
sixty chicken acts. Yeah, yeah,

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she really did. And it's doors
and stuff and we've been there. But

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we've been, you know, lots
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public places, like like cemeteries and
things of that nature. Is one in

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particular called spider Gates we like and
uh, they know it's open during the

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day. We go during a day, which surprises a lot of people.

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Could do most of our investigations daytime. Yeah, I don't think you need

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to go at night. They don't
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anything. It phenomena occurs. So
what can the spirits do to you?

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So they're in a different dimension.
So so can they touch you or or

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push you or or hurt you physically
when they're in the spiritual dimension? Yes,

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Um, they can. They Yes, they can. If they have

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an extreme amount of energy, they
can touch you. Um. I have

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a a story about when I was
a child. I think it was I

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don't know, like around eight.
Um, I was playing upstairs in my

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old house, my own I grew
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My friend was standing way way which
she was sitting way in back of

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me and in my room, and
we had to go. We have a

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flight of stairs it was I'm gonna
set it up. It's a It was

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an old cape and um, it
was a loft inside it was an open

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plan. It was a loft.
So my room was at the top of

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the stairs and we had like fourteen
wooden stairs going down down. And my

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mom called, or I thought I
heard my mom call. And I stood

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at the top of the stairs.
And remember I've been traumatized throughout um,

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you know, since I was remember
through these these negative entities, and behind

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me, I felt, like I
said, I went to the stairs.

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I felt two big pair of hands
just push me on my back and I

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went down the flight of stairs.
So yeah, yes, they can touch

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you. I mean it also now
when I'm when I'm like doing dishes or

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anything, I can feel hands on
my shoulders. But it's a good feeling.

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Um, because Okay, when did
it go from scared to hell out

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of you to feeling good? How
did that happen? Well? I still

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I still get um, scared the
hell out of so d you know,

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this was a childhood home. Yeah, but um, now that I'm I'm

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really into this, Um, I
can still feel things. Um it's negative.

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I can feel the negative activity.
I can feel um, the warmth

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and the love of some of them. So, like I said, my

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house now that I live in,
UM, I'll be doing dishes and I

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get a UM, you know,
my hand on a hand on my shoulder,

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and I feel the warmth and love
of whoever it is. I don't

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know really quite psychics. I don't
know, well she is, but we

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don't call ourselves psychics. You know. I'm like he either, raining,

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you know. But she's definitely the
more you know, when it would be

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like an EmPATH, and she feels
more. She does get her hair tugged

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in different things. Oh yes,
really, how come I don't get that

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stuff happening to Maybe because I didn't
want it. Maybe that was it.

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It could be we feel like like
beacons or something because we're open to these

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things. I'm like, you know, it sets a light off or something

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on the other side, and they
seem to know. Yeah. So when

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I was when I was a kid, like five years old, six years

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old, we lived in this old
house UM and and I knew there was

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energies in the house. I could
feel them. I was afraid because I

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didn't understand what they were. But
they never actually touched me. They never

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came near me. I could just
sense them in the house. So this

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is astonishing that, you know,
the way you're telling me this, Um,

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it's really brilliant. For some reason, I don't know what it is,

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but they have a thing for my
hair. They like touching my hair.

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Um, we have a clip of
that as well. But um,

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they touch you. Yes, it
does freak me out, and I've had

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it happens in several different places.
Yeah, we can actually see it on

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video. And one of one of
the videos we had you could see their

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hair kind of move and touching my
hair and you can sue the camera was

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behind us, like an infrared camera
that was at night and you could see

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our hair. Yeah. Yes,
wow, that's incredible. Yeah, yeah,

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the phenomena is very interesting. You
know, we want to know why,

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you know, what happens when you
die, Like the basic question everybody

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wants to know. Yes, where
do you go? And what is it

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like? And why are some spirits
seemingly here and others you know we're in

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you know call it? You know
why is that? Well, we think

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there are different us. We like
the philosophy of pan psychism, which is

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to say that everything very pan means
everything and psychism means mind everything all matter

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can hold a consciousness to some degree, you know. And we like the

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trees as an example. I know
there's some documentaries out there may have seen

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how trees can communicate with each other, and they use from clam, which

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is like a fungus grows under the
earth and send each other nutrients or choke

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off another tree. They apparently can
recognize their own offspring. They know the

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difference, and they won't feed the
other offspring, that's not theirs, right,

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They'll send a nutrients through really,
which is an amazing process that the

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two species can work together that way. It's almost like a data network in

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the ground, you know. So
to say that that tree is in conscious

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in some way, and that of
course it is, it must be.

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It knows human present scientists have proved
this. It knows when people are near

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they actually attempt to move their branches
and things of that nature away from them.

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If that's true, and all matter, we're all kind of made of

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the same stuff, right, I
believe we believe that consciousness, as it

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were, like spirit, can maintain
these things. Now that's not to say

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a tree it's as the same consciousness
as you or I of course even our

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pets. But it is conscious in
some level. It is, so you

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know, it has feelings. So
you know, my big thing is stopped

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shopping them down people. I think
it's a great explanation for things that haunted

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objects, you know, like a
haunted doll. We've got some dolls behind

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us over there, and most people
that have any kind of haunted object there

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not haunted twenty four seven. It's
like they just get inhabited occasionally, you

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know, it made the doll moves
or something like that. And I think

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that is why. Huh, all
right, I've never heard any about all

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any of this stuff. This is
really amazing. Well, I know about

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the trees, I guess fascinating.
Yes, Um, that's pretty much I

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think with everything that's on the planet
though, has a has a vibration and

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it resonates um. Incidentally, you
know WWRS tonight is about that very same

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thing. And I was going to
be using the example why I was going

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to use the example of of of
you know, tuning in men and just

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like trees, you know, are
connected by underground roots and they interact with

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one another. I was going to
use that. We'll use a different one

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now much why that's good. It
goes with it. It does much like

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the mascenium between trees being used as
a network. We also kind of think,

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and it's only a theory or a
hypothesis, that maybe our subconsciousnes are

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connected together and that is why things
like telepathy work and being able to read

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somebody there's something on a subconscious I
agree. I agree with that actually almost

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like you're tapping into a network and
anything can be Yes. We've also experimented

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with remote viewing and part of our
remote viewing group with Michelle as you know,

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Oh oh, oh you're are you
involved in that group? I didn't

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know. So do you do remote
viewing? Chris or Christian? How do

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you do that? Well? I
started doing it, but then I got

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I have I took to it a
little bit more than her, so I've

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done it a little bit more.
But we've both done it and both had

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success with it, and it's a
fascinating thing. Like you know, you

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just get a number and um,
Michelle teaches controlled remote viewing our CRV and

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that's where you're going to have like
a diagram, You're going to have descriptions

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and as a format to it,
you know, it's based on the military

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form of this, because our military
used remote viewing to you know, more

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or less buy on the Russians and
they did it to us and all that

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stuff. If you've ever seen that
movie documentary Third Eye Spies, Russell Harget's

409
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,400
fascinating movie. It's out there and
Netflix and other places. You can watch

410
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:09,039
it. Pretty much anywhere we come
more or less do that style. There's

411
00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:13,800
also associative remote viewing, which is
very quick when you're just kind of doing

412
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,599
a quick drawing based on something.
But the only information I get is a

413
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:20,000
number, and then I just got
to try to open up my mind and

414
00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:22,320
see what comes in and try not
to change it. And that's the tricky

415
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:27,239
part, right, So my mind
wants to take whatever information I get that

416
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,760
first little glimmer I get. I'm
looking at that number, and then turn

417
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,880
it into something and it plays games. And we have things called what they

418
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,480
call an analytic overlay and AOL AOL. You're going and trying to make sense

419
00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:40,239
of it because the mind is always
trying to make sense of things, and

420
00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:45,039
this is something we run across in
our data as well. I've actually got

421
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:50,840
an interesting clip for you, okay, I wanted to play. That's now

422
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,840
this is what it's a little bit
related to what we're talking about. I

423
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,719
can start to change the data.
Oh yes, all right, because the

424
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,000
mind is always trying to make sense
of what ever stimulus it gets. And

425
00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:05,000
that's true when we're listening back to
data. Some of these words, you

426
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,400
know, because they sound a little
distorted, They might sound like one thing

427
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,920
or another. Now, if I
tell you this next clip says bring light,

428
00:35:12,119 --> 00:35:15,480
Lucifer, that's what you'll hear.
Yeah. But if I tell you

429
00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:20,400
it says Frank Michael Christopher, that's
what you'll hear. So it's a little

430
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,320
bit. I don't know if you
remember the Yanni Laura thing that went around

431
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:28,920
the internet a few years ago.
Laurel, Laurel, Laurel, Laurel.

432
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,639
It's some do you remember that it
was in the news and people were talking

433
00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:36,199
about it. People would hear different
things based on the way their ears,

434
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,800
which especially women would hear like Yanni. And it's because the different different different

435
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,000
Yeah, I can always say different
frequencies in our ears the way right right,

436
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:51,000
Women had heard a little differently than
men in general, and age had

437
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:52,559
something to do with it as well. But let me play you this clip,

438
00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:57,280
real, fu, I should be
this button if I did this correctly,

439
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,760
so you could hear that two ways. Apophenia is the name of that.

440
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,800
It's like an auditor very paradolia.
Okay, your mind, try to

441
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:13,679
make sense of words. It may
not be anything at all, you know.

442
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,039
So we have to be very careful
when we pass the data that we

443
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:20,960
collect to try to just present things
that, you know, pretty clear.

444
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,000
And most people would agree, oh, yeah, that's says hey Kristen,

445
00:36:23,159 --> 00:36:27,880
or that says this, you know
whatever, it is, right, But

446
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:34,519
that's uh, that was something because
right there is the actual thing. You

447
00:36:34,639 --> 00:36:37,800
know. That's like a Yanni Laurel
thing. Yeah, Yanny Laurel. Yeah,

448
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:44,039
it's really weird. But yeah,
I've heard. I always thought that,

449
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,280
oh did you play Do we just
playing something? And I talked over

450
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:52,360
it. No, no, okay, so well I was hearing voices.

451
00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:57,679
Um, just then that's why I
stopped. I thought, really playing something,

452
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,559
That's why I stopped. Okay,
that's happened to couple of the times.

453
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:07,039
So um. I've always been of
the belief that that when something's on

454
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:12,800
another dimension, they may be able
to be in the space, but but

455
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:19,360
they can't control the space or or
and that we control the physical space when

456
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,960
when when they come around. Um, but you're what you've been sharing with

457
00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:30,199
me that that's not true because I
asked the question you can they touch you

458
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:35,119
and and things like that, they
actually can't. Yes, right, And

459
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,519
there are entities out there that are
somewhat you know, nefarious and don't necessarily

460
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:42,760
go away because you tell them too, you know. And a lot of

461
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,000
people tell that we'll just tell the
spirit to leave if it bothers you,

462
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:50,239
and that is a great first step. But we found in our experience because

463
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,920
we got so into this for a
while that we were drawing some other locations

464
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:59,519
into our own homes and we had
an attachment. It is really because we

465
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:01,679
were really obsessed with this data.
It seemed to lead us down as rabbit

466
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,840
hole and we can never answer all
the questions, and we were getting these

467
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,880
weird replies and we were thinking about
it. That we were thinking about it

468
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,000
all the time seemed to jar closer
and then we are able to just like

469
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:20,639
get even more crazy EVPs and different
things. Means what electronic voice phenomena,

470
00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:24,079
So that is a disembodied voice that
is a voice that comes across without any

471
00:38:24,159 --> 00:38:29,920
help of say a radio or any
kind of white noise or anything added to

472
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:35,519
it, go right into the recorder, and sometimes they select. That's another

473
00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:39,360
thing. Sometimes they can select.
If you have two recorders going, which

474
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,960
recorder that they want to speak in? All right, you could have them

475
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:47,760
side by side. We'll tell you
an interesting story back to that Spider Gates

476
00:38:49,039 --> 00:38:52,679
location that we like so much because
we had so much paranormal activity happened there

477
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:57,159
in our visits. I believe it
was our first visit. We were walking

478
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,239
around and we had Kristen has a
digital recorder like this one wasn't this particular

479
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:05,079
one, but she has headphones plugged
into it. Everything she's hearing in her

480
00:39:05,159 --> 00:39:08,440
ears is coming through the microphone of
the recorder. And the two of us

481
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:14,800
are walking together and we both heard
somebody yell hello, and it was so

482
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,760
loud. We both jumped up in
the air like what you know. We're

483
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:22,239
looking around who is that? Trying
to figure out where the voice came from.

484
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:25,679
There's nobody around, nothing. And
then when we went back and played

485
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,559
the data, it wasn't on the
recorder, and it wasn't on the other

486
00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:36,519
recorder we were recording as well.
Yep, behind us, so it didn't

487
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:38,199
come through although she heard it,
and the only thing she can hear is

488
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:47,039
what's coming through that recorder. So
that was fascinating. Yeah, I must

489
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:54,880
so the ear drums as they used
our ear drums as a microphone, so

490
00:39:55,079 --> 00:40:02,239
the other side can be selective and
where it has heard and what it vibrates.

491
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:07,719
We've gotten some of that electronic voice
phenomena during our recordings with people,

492
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,360
and oh yes, even yesterday we
were talking to our guests Lynn Money and

493
00:40:10,599 --> 00:40:14,440
there was a couple of whispering things
in there that she definitely didn't say.

494
00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:17,639
And we've had other guests where,
you know, we had angry type spirits

495
00:40:17,679 --> 00:40:21,840
seemingly talking behind us and the recording
and I don't know if it was that

496
00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:25,840
all our energy together or what that
is, but fascinating. I'm trying to

497
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:34,599
figure out how come I don't sense
them that much or that often, and

498
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,320
how I get protected by that.
That's what I've been thinking about, how

499
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:45,119
how come this doesn't affect me that
much? And how am I protected about?

500
00:40:45,199 --> 00:40:49,599
When we had you on, Yeah, several times I wondered the same

501
00:40:49,679 --> 00:40:53,119
thing. I'm like, how come
I get touched and he doesn't. I

502
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:59,719
wish I could see and know,
but I can't. So we're all different

503
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:07,000
unique in Yeah, to give you
an idea of hunting our own home,

504
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:10,920
I'll play one other clip because it's
so clear and not hear this. Um.

505
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,880
This is a case where it is
interesting scenario. We weren't together this

506
00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:19,719
night. Kristen called me. You
know, we were talking about like,

507
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,679
wow, it seems like there's something
in the air, and we were really

508
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,159
into it. I felt a lot
of energy in my house, like a

509
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,880
real a lot of any yeah,
and I wanted to do it with Chris.

510
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,079
So she calls me and I bet
her on speakerphone. You're on the

511
00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:31,840
phone in my house, and I've
got a recorder set up, and I

512
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,800
do have a spearbox, but it's
not in the clip. And we're getting

513
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,800
ready and we're talking about you know, I'm gonna because the well as spirit

514
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,519
say, talking to this box,
talking this box, as a couple of

515
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:47,440
reporters around you can touch this kind
of directing the spirit to do what we'd

516
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:52,159
like it to do. And before
we actually got into it, we caught

517
00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:57,280
two EVPs that are like class A
EVPs. Now, what you'll hear in

518
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,800
this clip. You're gonna hear like
a sound and that's not a spirit box.

519
00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:06,480
That's actually the recorder itself being overdriven
and the spirit touching it right,

520
00:42:06,519 --> 00:42:08,840
and it has input levels they were
said correctly. It wasn't there anything loud,

521
00:42:09,559 --> 00:42:15,039
but when it's touched sometimes the levels
on it and lights will start to

522
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:17,960
blink funny, and it's a it's
a real thing that happens. That doesn't

523
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,760
happen every time, but it happened
on this time. So you'll hear Kristen

524
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,559
and I talking to each other setting
up to do a session. We haven't

525
00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:29,880
started the session, and you're gonna
hear this voice that in the middle go

526
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:35,440
I'm gonna say it. Yeah,
and that's not okay, And we're over

527
00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:39,400
a phone. We're over the phone, really okay. So I've got an

528
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:44,480
external recorder, Kristen on speakerphone,
and you'll hear this voice in the middle

529
00:42:44,559 --> 00:42:47,880
saying, I'm gonna say it,
and that is spirit, that's not us.

530
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:58,840
What court of this box sort of
that box. So you hear that

531
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,320
I'm gonna say it, that isn't
us, and I see nobody's black box.

532
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:07,320
Yeah, you know that's when I'm
gonna say it. Well, you

533
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:13,519
know I have a black box that
that does that kind of stuff too.

534
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,519
Um. A friend of mine invented
it, and and I have the the

535
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:25,320
the um the very first one and
now they're smaller and and UM, I

536
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:32,039
could never get it to work.
But but this is what interesting. Yeah,

537
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:37,039
this was the the It looks like
a drum case. Yeah I thought

538
00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:43,400
it was. But but UM connected
with the program on the on on his

539
00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:47,360
that comes with it. Um,
you can talk into it and you can

540
00:43:47,519 --> 00:43:53,960
ask questions and it gives it gives
um information. Now I could never make

541
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:59,239
the box work. Um, I
spent I spent you know, ten hours

542
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,360
listening to static and that's all I
heard. What I was just gonna ask,

543
00:44:01,519 --> 00:44:05,119
is it all white noise? To
you know? For me, it

544
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,480
was just all white noise. It
drove me nuts. And then another guy,

545
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,800
one of my clients, UM,
you know, he started listening to

546
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,039
me, went, oh my god, that's my father. He died when

547
00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:19,960
I was four years old. And
then you know, it seemed like his

548
00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:22,880
father told him, you know what
happened, and it was And a few

549
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:27,599
of my friends could do it for
me. I couldn't get it to work.

550
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,280
So you couldn't hear anything when that
happened, not a thing. I'm

551
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:37,239
interested in how the how the device
works. I love it TC or instrumental

552
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,559
transcommunication. And that's where I can
turn you on to the guy that invented

553
00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:45,159
it. He's got several different you
know, he's he's done a whole lot

554
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:50,800
more and they're a lot more advanced. I can connect you with the guys.

555
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,679
Yeah, I'd be curious to know. Curious, Yeah, how how

556
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:59,239
it worked? Like all white noise, and so your your friend heard it,

557
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:04,119
but you did. So there's several
other people heard it but I didn't.

558
00:45:04,639 --> 00:45:09,679
And one of the reasons, partly
was that we thought is that you

559
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:15,280
know, I spent like fifty years
or more tuning in being psychic, and

560
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:23,199
these tools are really um um set
up for people that don't have any awareness

561
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:28,679
or any skills. That seems to
be if no one's ever been psychic before,

562
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,400
it works for them, and those
of us that have worked at done

563
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:37,960
a lot, it didn't quite work
for us. Now there's something, you

564
00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:42,480
know, anything can work. People
use dividing rods, you know, they

565
00:45:42,599 --> 00:45:45,840
use pendulums and all the things,
right, and you know, maybe that's

566
00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:51,119
a subconscious movement. I don't know, but it seems to give you the

567
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,920
right answers if you're tamed into it. Um. You know, it's the

568
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,199
same with any of these things.
I mean, we kind of consider them

569
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,440
toys too, but we like them, you know. We we have this

570
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:07,159
one here's for us. Yeah.
What does DHP stand for? Dark Horse

571
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:12,559
Paranormal Ah? Okay, okay,
so I get I get energy from the

572
00:46:12,639 --> 00:46:17,679
box. So um okay. So
maybe I'm just not that um hearing oriented

573
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:22,039
when I do my work. Maybe
that's what it is too. Yeah,

574
00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:24,119
just practice tune into whatever the tion
is. I mean, you're such a

575
00:46:24,199 --> 00:46:28,719
good reader, Like I don't have
that skill where I can read just from

576
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,079
the gut. You do. So
wow, and I love that. I'm

577
00:46:31,159 --> 00:46:35,280
envious of what you do. Yes, you know, but I did want

578
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,360
to tell your audience. We have
two shows a week and a dark Horse

579
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,599
Parent is the name of one of
them. It's our Thursday night show.

580
00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:45,159
And big Foot and the Bunny is
the name of our Saturday show. So

581
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:50,239
how do people find that? We'll
do you know, another you know program

582
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:57,280
different. Um, We're on sil
Facebook outlets. We're on a paranormal network

583
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,639
called Paralynx. The Paranormal United Network. We have our own pages on Facebook.

584
00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:05,159
Those are all on Facebook. You
can search for dark Horse Paranormal,

585
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,159
Bigfoot in the Bunny. You'll find
something. If you you look for the

586
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:12,880
things okay for the Paranormal United Network, you'll find that we're also on We're

587
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,880
still an UPRN for Pig FOURT and
a Bunny, which is the United Paranormal

588
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:20,719
Network. Um, that's a different
network. Also YouTube, we really need

589
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,960
people to go and subscribe to our
YouTube. Yes please, if you're looking

590
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,320
for us on YouTube, just look
for dark Horse Paranormal Productions and we lump

591
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,440
everything in there on YouTube. On
YouTube, that's a good place to go.

592
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:35,159
And here's some of this stuff.
And you know, we inter like

593
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,760
yourself, we're interviewing guests and uh, you know, it's not all just

594
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:43,800
about our data, but we do
have podcast dedicated to our data and you

595
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,679
can hear the stuff we collect if
that you're interested in that on dark Horse.

596
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:52,320
So so you guys who are you
know, friends and for a long

597
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:58,559
long time and then and then found
out that you've got similar skills and awareness,

598
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,400
who came up the idea of doing
a podcast? That would be me?

599
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,480
Oh yes, yeah, we well, we became more than friends.

600
00:48:06,519 --> 00:48:12,960
I mean, well that I was. I was being cautious. I love

601
00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:16,880
that word custious, cautious. I
was, yeah, for a long time,

602
00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:21,000
and it's great, Like we have
a telepathy between us. That's like,

603
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:23,519
you know, we're always in each
other's heads, are always seeing things

604
00:48:23,559 --> 00:48:27,239
and get out of my head.
So there could be some scare topic and

605
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,519
I'll just be like daydreaming on it
and She'll say, whatever that topic is,

606
00:48:30,599 --> 00:48:32,239
Hey, you know, I was
just thinking, like really, because

607
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:37,519
I've been thinking about that for five
minutes. And that stuff happens like almost

608
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:40,360
daily. It's ridiculous. It's random
stuff too. It's not you know,

609
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:45,800
it's yeah, it's it's amazing how
that works. But how do we come

610
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,360
up with the podcast? So I
want what made you great about it?

611
00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:53,559
I was a musician in a former
lifetime and uh, not a form a

612
00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:58,800
former lifetime in this existence right,
yes, existence? Okay, what did

613
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,800
you play? By the word what
was? I played bass, mostly based

614
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,360
electric bass guitar, but I also
played guitar and there's some instruments behind us.

615
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,079
And I love music and I have
a thing where if I don't have

616
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,400
the creative outlet I start to go
a little crazy, like I need something

617
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,800
to do, you know, and
my job and everything is tough to to

618
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,800
do another band, and this was
something I enjoyed. I kind of think

619
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:22,880
of it like being in a band
having a podcast, having a video podcast,

620
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:27,400
or whatever it is. And we
started by doing audio once the dark

621
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,239
Horse Paranormal podcast, and we did
a few of those, and then we

622
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:37,159
took that experience over into a video
podcast and we were using Skype and we've

623
00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:39,599
got on, you know, a
radio network, and we just worked at

624
00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:44,239
our craft and we've been doing it
for like three years and it's just something

625
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:45,719
we like, you know, I
do the music that is within our podcast.

626
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,960
If you hear ye stuff, it's
something I made, either played the

627
00:49:51,079 --> 00:49:55,519
instruments or worked with samples and put
them together loops and different things. And

628
00:49:55,679 --> 00:49:59,599
it gives me that creative outlet,
you know. That's that's nice and I

629
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,840
love it because you know, we're
both driven to know what happens again when

630
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,159
we die, right everybody wants to
know, like why are some of these

631
00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:10,559
ghosts seemingly earthboundy spirits and some seem
to go to heaven or whatever you want

632
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:15,599
to call it. You have a
theory. Occasionally, well you have that.

633
00:50:16,119 --> 00:50:19,639
There are a lot of theories out
there. Sometimes it's things like,

634
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,599
well, in a residual haunting,
you could go to a battlefield, per

635
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:27,039
se, and it might feel something
from that, and that's almost like the

636
00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:30,800
land is scarred, and there may
be spirits there that are trapped from the

637
00:50:31,159 --> 00:50:36,159
traumatic deaths that occurred, and maybe
they don't leave, or perhaps they've made

638
00:50:36,159 --> 00:50:38,079
a psychic imprint on that land,
and then like a broken record, it

639
00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:43,719
repeats the same information. They call
that a residual haunting. In a case

640
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,440
of intelligent hauntings, it could be
things like somebody looking out for their family

641
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:53,079
didn't are as afraid to cross over. We heard a really funny story yesterday

642
00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:59,000
about an earthbound spirit that didn't want
to cross over because the gentleman had a

643
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:00,599
mistress and a wife on the other
side, Yeah, and was afraid to

644
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:08,039
go. That's where where he was
gonna go anyway. Right, Look,

645
00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:14,639
Okay, that's interesting. He didn't
want to go, didn't want in front

646
00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:16,559
of him. Yeah, it could
be the same room and you know,

647
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:22,079
like, oh, got me,
could be hell, Yes, that would

648
00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:25,360
be hell. Right, That was
like first first thought when she said that

649
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,280
I'm like, oh, that's all. But then, but Dan, it

650
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,239
could also be heaven as well.
If you get this you know the situation

651
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:38,880
right right, I don't care that
you know, everything goes. You know,

652
00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:44,880
it was a very bohemian heaven.
I'm not sure, but um,

653
00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:46,400
you know, it could be reasons
like that, you know, and uh,

654
00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:50,360
you know, personal murder. They're
looking out for their family or there's

655
00:51:50,519 --> 00:51:54,320
some unfinished business and they seemed to
stick around, and those would be the

656
00:51:55,119 --> 00:52:00,800
intelligent type huntings where you get answers
and children, I mean children are so

657
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:05,199
you know, innocent, they don't
know. That's why there's a lot of

658
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:12,239
um, little boy or a little
girl hauntings, really yes, because they

659
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:16,599
don't understand that they passed away and
they don't know how or what to do,

660
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,440
right, And this is where people
lost them over. You know,

661
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:27,960
we did this one time where we
encountered a child spirit repeatedly at a location

662
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,159
and the same in location in fact
where we got that hello, a very

663
00:52:32,199 --> 00:52:38,119
paranormal area seemingly, and we got
in contact with a child spirit named Toby

664
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:42,719
is how he identified himself. And
we would go there and we said,

665
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,760
you know, Toby, how old
are you and the spirit box would reply

666
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:52,039
several times seven seven seven, you
know, she would ask the question seven

667
00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:54,119
seven seven. And we made a
return trip, asked the same question,

668
00:52:54,199 --> 00:52:59,119
get the same answers, and we
you know, we're aware that there was

669
00:52:59,159 --> 00:53:01,760
definitely a conscious spirit there. Uh. In one of our recordings, he

670
00:53:02,199 --> 00:53:07,360
goes on to whimper and cry for
his mother. He goes, where's mom?

671
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,320
And it's all in the same voice
over the course of several minutes,

672
00:53:12,159 --> 00:53:15,280
which is fascinating. Did you gotta
think the box is just spinning, it's

673
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:20,400
getting DJ commercials things of that nature
on it, but all in the same

674
00:53:20,519 --> 00:53:23,239
voice. And he says seven,
and where's mom? And he said he

675
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,599
was scared to leave and any sort
of things. You know, we're asking

676
00:53:27,679 --> 00:53:30,400
why why don't you leave? And
it's scared to leave? And it was

677
00:53:30,519 --> 00:53:35,159
very clear. Um. So we
went back and we tried to walk him

678
00:53:35,199 --> 00:53:37,079
out and cross that spirit and we
think we did. How did you do

679
00:53:37,199 --> 00:53:42,079
it? Did you help? We
think we did. We returned and we

680
00:53:42,159 --> 00:53:45,039
were not able to talk to him
again. Um. We went through the

681
00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:50,400
motions of talking to him and leading
him out of the gates of that cemetery.

682
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:57,639
Kristen had ground up some candy and
herbs and herbs and it's really beautiful.

683
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:04,239
And we meet a trail right out
to the gate and open that gate

684
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,800
and said, Toby, come on. I actually put my hand out,

685
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:12,599
said hold my hand. I did
feel something and like somebody was holding my

686
00:54:12,639 --> 00:54:15,639
hand, and we walked out that
gate and when we turned again, he

687
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,599
was no longer thought on another date. We haven't been able to talk to

688
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,880
him since, so we think it
worked. But we're not as good are

689
00:54:23,199 --> 00:54:28,480
that thing you know, like you
are you? Yeah, sure, sure,

690
00:54:28,519 --> 00:54:30,760
and mediums out there that can see
the spar going into the light and

691
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,639
stuff. We don't quite get that, but we'll working at it. We

692
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,719
are. Yeah. I have been
kind of a meat and potatoes kind of

693
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:42,960
psychic, you know. I've just
been interested in giving information to people,

694
00:54:43,039 --> 00:54:46,760
helping them go through stuff. I
haven't been focused on what happens on the

695
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:52,199
other side or you know, I've
always just been focused on getting through whatever

696
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:59,639
is happening. Today. I'm realizing
there must be a lot of entities out

697
00:54:59,679 --> 00:55:05,519
there like that little boy that that's
lost in time or in a dimension.

698
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,400
Yes, nas a really beautiful thing, you two, did you know?

699
00:55:10,119 --> 00:55:15,199
We wonder if they sometimes play roles
because it's such a common story. You

700
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:20,079
know, it's like the woman in
white story. You've heard the woman in

701
00:55:20,159 --> 00:55:28,159
white story, you know some of
those no couple, But this is like

702
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,480
an international story with you know,
really scorned lover who jumps off at castle

703
00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:38,000
wall or a cliff or silly she's
trest in white and sometimes blue, and

704
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:42,639
uh, it's a story. There's
a tale, you know, in every

705
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,079
stage. That's every state in the
country, and you know even internationally,

706
00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:50,159
these stories persist in Europe and whatnot. And I wonder, you know,

707
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:54,079
is it really the scorn lover or
do people project this out somehow and you

708
00:55:54,159 --> 00:55:59,320
know, maybe a spirit does fit
into that role or accepts it. Same

709
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,719
thing with some of the demonic activity
that people call demons out there, not

710
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,480
to say that they don't exist,
but we certainly don't think everything's a demon.

711
00:56:06,519 --> 00:56:09,119
We call it a dreaded D word
because we don't think everything. Yeah,

712
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:15,440
we think negatives, but I do
think I could maybe a bitter spirit

713
00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:19,880
might take that role, say some
words like lucifer or whatever, and it's

714
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,840
above and we got that anyway.
Yeah, we've had use those names.

715
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,880
Yeah, you know, like it
was something that was demonic, but probably

716
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,719
it was just a disincarnate negative spirit. Yeah, um, I don't know.

717
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:36,320
It's fascinating. We continue to learn
every day. How do you protect

718
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:43,800
yourself from those demonics, energies that
that could have taught or get attached or

719
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,320
follow you around. How do you
do deal with that? How do you

720
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:52,119
handle it? Honestly? The best
thing you know. There's different exercises you

721
00:56:52,199 --> 00:56:54,639
can do and meditations during the light
cleansing you and these kind of things you

722
00:56:54,679 --> 00:57:00,559
can use herb sage things that people
talk about. But when we what do

723
00:57:00,639 --> 00:57:02,920
you do homes where we couldn't get
rid of it and couldn't ask it to

724
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,800
leave, or we were you know, we still were having these weird activities.

725
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,320
Person, we've seeing a lot of
stuff back then. It was a

726
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:13,280
seriod of time where yeah, it
was getting a little spooky in both our

727
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,239
homes. Um, it was in
the mind. We really just had to

728
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:21,000
stop doing it for a while and
give it a break and not think about

729
00:57:21,079 --> 00:57:25,360
it. It was literally like the
thought of it seems to attract them,

730
00:57:25,719 --> 00:57:29,239
you know, it makes you more
of a magnet. Because we were obsessing

731
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,000
over the status so much that we
were getting these class A vps and in

732
00:57:32,119 --> 00:57:37,480
our living rooms. I think was
really contributing was like being like a beacon

733
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,559
to keep them there, bring them
closer. So you were like calling them

734
00:57:40,599 --> 00:57:44,960
out, even though you didn't realize
you were calling to that exactly if we

735
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,360
weren't intentionally doing that, although we
were, you know, like wow,

736
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:52,920
look at what we're getting this make
And it was almost in that case like

737
00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:54,519
a rabbit hole, like we would
ask questions and it would just lead to

738
00:57:54,679 --> 00:57:58,760
more questions and more questions, and
we're trying to figure out who is this

739
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,639
person and is this an alien?
At one one point it was really it

740
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:06,119
was bananas. And we got podcasts
about it, so if you do seek

741
00:58:06,199 --> 00:58:07,320
us out, you can find those. We can also find some of our

742
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:12,559
podcasts where you get podcasts if you
look for dark Horse Paranormal, give those

743
00:58:12,599 --> 00:58:15,639
a listen and you'll hear some of
that that you know, interplay between us

744
00:58:15,679 --> 00:58:20,039
and what was going on and the
data would collect band. But honestly,

745
00:58:20,039 --> 00:58:22,679
it was the walking away from it
and just giving it a break. But

746
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:27,159
that was the real cleanser. If
you will, if I go now knowing

747
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,440
what I do, know that what
we know and what happened when I go

748
00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:35,079
to certain places, I do meditation
and then I believe it or not.

749
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,880
Call upon I do like a small
prayer, call upon my guardian angels,

750
00:58:38,679 --> 00:58:44,519
ancestors, guardian spirits, and I
do it. I prayed them, and

751
00:58:44,599 --> 00:58:47,639
then I do it again just before
we go into the place, and I

752
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:52,639
do it again when we walk out. So I do have a thing right,

753
00:58:52,719 --> 00:58:54,800
and I do some banishing rituals.
I have a little bit of a

754
00:58:54,800 --> 00:59:01,599
background and sorcery and magic magic like
him, doing magic tricks like prestidigitry or

755
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:07,480
magic like in um I'm sir no, sir asn't like spell work and ritual

756
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:14,039
type work. It fascinated me things
like Golden Down and other mystery schools growing

757
00:59:14,159 --> 00:59:16,199
up. So I learned a lot
about that. And there are certain rituals

758
00:59:16,199 --> 00:59:20,400
like a lesser banishing ritual the pentagram, for instance, and I'll do that.

759
00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:22,920
And I used to take that out
with me when I was doing teams,

760
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,519
and everybody would look at me like, wait, what's wrong with him?

761
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,320
I have my ame or kind of
like a dagger and doing these things,

762
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,239
drawing pentagrams out in the air,
and uh, yeah, it looked

763
00:59:34,239 --> 00:59:37,079
a little a little crazy, but
you know what, it's more commonly accepted

764
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:40,079
now in those those communities than it
was then. I'm but I find them

765
00:59:40,119 --> 00:59:45,760
helpful. Yeah, I'm an eclectic
which so I incorporate a lot with the

766
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,960
w right. Yes, I just
wanted to buy just wanted to make sure

767
00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:52,639
everybody got that right. Hey,
I can beat that as well, ask

768
00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:59,800
dress. Yeah, but I do
my own thing and and I incorporate other

769
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:07,159
religions into especially when I feel that
I have an arsenal in my pocketbook on

770
01:00:07,239 --> 01:00:12,920
us got to carry it everywhere.
So when I feel whatever spirit ori entity

771
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:19,239
it is, I will definitely break
out something that I know and you know,

772
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,280
knowing what it is, and do
it from there. So this is

773
01:00:22,519 --> 01:00:30,360
fascinating what you guys are doing,
and it's so different than what I do.

774
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:37,480
I've always thought of myself as somebody
with an awareness of like one inch

775
01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:43,639
deep five miles square, and what
I've discovered in the last couple of years

776
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:47,760
coming on podcasts like yours and then
having my own, I'm actually one inch

777
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:54,199
square and five miles deep in my
awareness and listening to some of the things

778
01:00:54,239 --> 01:01:01,079
that you're talking about today, I
don't know anything about anything that you're you're

779
01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:06,559
you're talking about it. It's it's
been mind blowing for many. It's new,

780
01:01:06,639 --> 01:01:09,039
but I think everything is kind of
related. The same goes for like

781
01:01:09,159 --> 01:01:15,599
alien abduction phenomena and possibly even things
like bigfoot sightings. There is some sort

782
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:21,599
of connection. People that have had
been abducted by aliens as often come back

783
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:25,239
from it with enhanced psychic skills.
They may be read people better, or

784
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:30,599
they have really loose and natural dreams, or they pick up some kind of

785
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:36,239
you know, all Calmo superpower.
Ray Hernandez is a gentleman of UFO researcher

786
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,159
who called the term contact modalities,
and that's what he's talking about, are

787
01:01:39,159 --> 01:01:44,920
all these kind of abilities that seem
to be given to the person post alien

788
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:49,599
abduction phenomena. I feel that haunted
phenomena and alien abduction phenomena are very much

789
01:01:49,639 --> 01:01:53,840
related. We don't totally see every
parallel line, you know, I can't

790
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:59,480
necessarily say that they're the same thing, but there they are closely related more

791
01:01:59,519 --> 01:02:01,400
so than you would think. Um. I feel like all the stuff,

792
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:05,719
psychic abilities, everything, it's all
kind of joined at the hip. And

793
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:07,079
that's what we're trying to put together. And you know, we're lucky in

794
01:02:07,159 --> 01:02:12,119
that we get to talk to so
many different people that have had different experiences

795
01:02:12,239 --> 01:02:15,719
like yourself, you know that have
you know, some skill or have some

796
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:17,840
experience that they tell a tale and
you go wow, A right, and

797
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:21,559
then you start to see some of
these parallels. It's like I mentioned about

798
01:02:21,559 --> 01:02:24,280
the haunted childhoods earlier. Um,
you know, most of our guests have

799
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:30,400
had haunted childhoods. Why is it
that they now have paranormal experiences as an

800
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:34,960
adult? Is there you know,
some kind of connecting line between those two

801
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:39,000
things. I think there is.
What I've also noticed is that and again,

802
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:44,760
I haven't even hung around very many
psychics in in my lifetime. I've

803
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:49,360
always been a you know, a
one man show. I've always worked on

804
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:53,360
my own independently, and and um, I've had a lot of contact with

805
01:02:53,599 --> 01:03:00,559
with with with with other psychics,
and they're My focus always has been helping

806
01:03:00,719 --> 01:03:07,760
somebody in a crisis, in a
problem right now. And I haven't been

807
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:14,840
much more interested in anything in my
psychic ability except for giving service like that.

808
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:21,760
Um, and I've been learning there's
so much more to those skills and

809
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:25,239
those abilities and that that awareness and
you know, being talking with you guys

810
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:31,239
today and and and being around other
psychic it's been um, mind blowing,

811
01:03:31,639 --> 01:03:36,639
you know, like today, you
know it is it's a it's a gift

812
01:03:36,679 --> 01:03:38,679
of being the host. You know, you get to see this now that

813
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:43,679
you hear all these different sides and
tales, and yeah, yeah, it's

814
01:03:43,719 --> 01:03:46,159
greater. I think you could just
never read enough books too. So why

815
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:51,599
is it then to find you know, like you're you're triggering all kinds of

816
01:03:51,719 --> 01:03:53,480
questions in me and I'm going to
be thinking about for a couple of years.

817
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:58,280
So how come then, you know, because because I'm really sharp,

818
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,480
I'm really into it and I'm released, Like, um, why would I

819
01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:08,320
be drawn to that? You know, just doing giving service but missing all

820
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:13,760
this that other stuff that you guys
do, And I wonder why you would

821
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,360
be really good at it? Well, it's probably you know, you have

822
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:21,679
a natural gift for from the guy, if you will, like kind of

823
01:04:21,719 --> 01:04:26,079
like the remote viewing that we mentioned
earlier, being able to turn the filter

824
01:04:26,239 --> 01:04:29,400
off and just get that information and
relay it to the person. You know,

825
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:31,519
You're you're really gifted in that sense, so naturally you'd be drawn to

826
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:40,639
doing it. Doing that more you
like helping people, Yeah, maybe depends

827
01:04:40,679 --> 01:04:44,519
on who you talk to. But
yes, motion that you know, we

828
01:04:44,639 --> 01:04:47,159
just kind of fell into this.
Whatever our inches are, and everybody has

829
01:04:47,199 --> 01:04:50,599
their own experiences, you know,
and skills and different yeah, you know

830
01:04:50,719 --> 01:04:54,559
things your practice. I'm sure you
could do all the stuff. If you

831
01:04:54,599 --> 01:04:59,159
went out and tried to investigate a
home to location, any interest in that

832
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,440
actually crusted You're like, oh,
wow, I think I just saw a

833
01:05:02,519 --> 01:05:05,639
ghost walk by. You know,
I'd be able to help them because you

834
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:12,679
have that ability and you can turn
up that filter, really fascinating filter of

835
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:18,800
the mind. I've this This has
been one of the most interesting conversations that

836
01:05:19,239 --> 01:05:24,440
I've had, not just on my
side of the crystal wall, but this

837
01:05:24,599 --> 01:05:30,320
is one of the most interesting conversations
I've had in my career. So thank

838
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:35,360
you, Oh thank you what you
have share. Wow, I'm just blown

839
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:39,840
away. So how can people find
you? Again? Just want to just

840
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,960
tell everybody how and so that they
can get their minds blown as well.

841
01:05:44,719 --> 01:05:47,760
Yeah. Well, the easiest way
is to go on to YouTube or Facebook.

842
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:53,079
Look for our show titles Bigfoot and
the Bunny, which is a story

843
01:05:53,199 --> 01:05:56,679
behind that and a dark Horse.
All right, all right, what is

844
01:05:57,559 --> 01:06:00,800
I've been dying to ask it's a
question. We get asked a lot like,

845
01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:04,119
Okay, up with that name because
it seems so from left field.

846
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:10,760
And the reason why we have that
is I had moved to a new place

847
01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:14,840
and we were enjoying ourselves. We
used to go outside and look at the

848
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:18,039
stars, still kind of thing,
and we had this family of bunnies that

849
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:23,079
lived in the shrub dividing the property
line. Okay, yeah, and we

850
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,920
go out and at the time,
we might have been having a few sangreas,

851
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,880
and we'd thrown some some fruit,
you know, feed the bunnies,

852
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:33,199
and the bunny seemed to like that, and um drunknnes be a little bit

853
01:06:33,239 --> 01:06:36,599
of phenomena going on place, and
we thought that what's going on? You

854
01:06:36,679 --> 01:06:40,199
know, it's kind of weird,
like I'm gonna move and it's still haunted

855
01:06:41,079 --> 01:06:45,159
because we're haunted, that's why.
But anyways, we're like, we're out

856
01:06:45,199 --> 01:06:47,960
there one night, we're standing outside
and having having the singer is looking at

857
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:53,440
the sky and we see this orange
light and what would be a UFO to

858
01:06:53,679 --> 01:06:57,320
us, and it is humming.
Now it's not moving as fast as a

859
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,639
shooting star, but it's going way
faster than it chest at all. It

860
01:07:00,679 --> 01:07:03,280
wasn't a meteor. It's bright orange
and we're both just watching it and all

861
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,559
I could do was point up.
I could not see anything because this is

862
01:07:06,679 --> 01:07:13,119
something that is not right, but
like this, and it just it just

863
01:07:13,239 --> 01:07:15,960
sailed across, sailed across the sky
through the beautiful night, you know.

864
01:07:16,599 --> 01:07:19,880
And so it definitely wasn't a meteor, was not a plane. It was

865
01:07:20,159 --> 01:07:23,840
it was way faster than a jet. And as the next thing, you

866
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:26,679
know, you'll see big Foot Chase
in the Bunny. And then when it

867
01:07:26,719 --> 01:07:30,440
came time to come up with a
show name that, I go, well,

868
01:07:30,519 --> 01:07:32,280
how about big Foot in the Bunny. He's like, oh my god,

869
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:34,920
I love it. I'm like really, I was, you know,

870
01:07:35,079 --> 01:07:39,119
goofing around. I was joking.
He's like, no, I really like

871
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:42,199
that. It took me a while
to, uh, to like it.

872
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:45,920
So so there was a possible UFO
experience, yea paranormal watching us because we

873
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,480
couldn't explain it's a UFO, at
least to us. Yeah, um,

874
01:07:49,559 --> 01:07:53,079
we had the bunnies in the yard
and he's the next thing, you know,

875
01:07:53,159 --> 01:07:55,159
we'll see big Foot Chase in the
buy. So it's based on a

876
01:07:55,239 --> 01:07:58,679
paranormal event between both of us,
So that's where that comes from. Ye.

877
01:07:59,559 --> 01:08:04,199
So yeah, I interrupted you you
when you were doing your call to

878
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:10,360
action. Um, so we can
do that now and edit the other one

879
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:14,039
out. So if you want to
talk about how people can get you,

880
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,960
to you again so it's clearer.
So it's all together, so you get

881
01:08:18,039 --> 01:08:20,960
sure we want to do it.
Yeah. You can find us on Facebook

882
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:26,359
at Bigfoot and the Bunny at dark
Horse Paranormal Productions. If you search those

883
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:30,960
names on Facebook you'll find us.
We have a network Paralynks, the Paranormal

884
01:08:30,079 --> 01:08:33,000
United Network that is out there and
you'll see links to these things on our

885
01:08:33,039 --> 01:08:36,399
pages as well. That's great.
There's a lot of people on there that

886
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:42,800
are international. We have viewers in
Australia, Japan that regularly joined the show

887
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,039
and we have a live chat going. They come in and we do to

888
01:08:45,079 --> 01:08:48,760
live chat. We answer people's questions
and comments. We made quite a few

889
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:54,159
friends that way and that's fun.
We're also on YouTube at dark Horse Paranormal

890
01:08:54,239 --> 01:08:57,520
Productions and if you do go out
there, please give it a liking,

891
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,439
a subscribe suba you know, I
actually know those subscribe are important. YouTube

892
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:04,920
is very kind of tough on people
who so we would love it. We'd

893
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:09,760
appreciate those, those likes and subscribes, and those are the best ways to

894
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:13,560
get us. We have a website, dark Horse Paranormal dot com. It's

895
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:15,560
a little out of date, but
you know, most of the stuff is

896
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:17,800
in there, and you'll find links
to these pages from there, and those

897
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,159
are the best places. If you're
in our cinem remote viewing, we can

898
01:09:20,199 --> 01:09:26,239
give Michelle a plug. You can
find Michelle and at www. Butterfly Effects

899
01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:30,239
Center dot com. And that's what
we started out, taking courses with her

900
01:09:30,319 --> 01:09:33,279
with the remote viewing stuff that we
discussed earlier. And that's pretty much it.

901
01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:40,640
What an amazing experience. Thank you
so much, Thank you for thank

902
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:44,079
you for having us on. I
really appreciate it. Well, this brings

903
01:09:44,159 --> 01:09:47,319
us to the end of one of
the most amazing shows that I've ever done

904
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:55,359
and ever been around. I learned
more about paranormal tonight than I've done at

905
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:59,199
any other time in my life.
So fascinating, and I'd like to thank

906
01:09:59,279 --> 01:10:04,079
you very much for joining us.
And before we say goodbye, I've got

907
01:10:04,359 --> 01:10:10,399
a couple of requests. If you're
watching us on YouTube, please like,

908
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:15,000
comment, and subscribe to our channel. And you know the subscriptions. If

909
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:18,520
you subscribe to our channel, what
that'll do is get us higher up on

910
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:25,399
the ratings, and the more ratings, the higher the ratings, the easier

911
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:29,439
it is for us to put this
podcast on the air. Please like and

912
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:34,520
comment as well. Your likes get
us more ratings, and your comments please

913
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:40,199
say something about the show, and
if you do, we're going to be

914
01:10:40,319 --> 01:10:45,720
around for a really long time.
And incidentally, you can find us on

915
01:10:45,039 --> 01:10:53,199
Apple, Spotify, and pretty much
anywhere else you listen to your podcasts.

916
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:57,880
And if you're looking for me personally, you can find me on my website

917
01:10:58,119 --> 01:11:03,720
www dot Robert lindsaymil dot com.
You can find me also on Facebook,

918
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:11,880
Instagram, YouTube, and TikTok.
And now, just before I say goodbye,

919
01:11:13,119 --> 01:11:17,880
I have these words too. Good, stay safe, and above all,

920
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,279
just be kind. Goodnight, everybody,