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That's me. Welcome to my side of the crystal ball. We're going down
a different path tonight. We're going to be covering the paranormal. And I
have two guests on today, Kristen and Chris, and they have their own
podcast and it's called Bigfoot and the Bunney. A fascinating interview. This is
an area of the psychism or the paranormal I haven't found much, I haven't
explored very much. And the information and ideas and stories and ways of thinking
that they're sharing with us tonight just bloom me away. So it's an exciting
show. You're going to be hearing a whole lot of things. And generally
because I've always been afraid of the paranormal because it's evil and awful and negative,
and I'm finding out that does not quite the case. So Bigfoot on
the money. They're in the expert's chair tonight. Before we start, I've
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R S. Have you ever wondered how we can do a psychic reading for
somebody. Let's say I'm in Toronto and somebody else is in Australia. Have
you ever thought, how does that happen? How can you be connect with
somebody ten thousand miles away? How is that possible? I'd like to explain
that to you, and I'd like to talk about how it happens and the
way you do it. So I think I'm going to be doing a couple
of wwr SS about this topic. So I'm going to start off with how
I started to do distance readings when I didn't even know I was doing distance
readings. I had just left the tea room i'd been started to work at
that Larry's Hideaway hotel. I was I think about twenty one twenty two,
and I worked at you know, a few nights on the front desk,
and then the rest of the days I did psychic readings. And one day,
I you know, I might have been twenty three, I woke up
and looked around and there I was living in this fleabag hotel. In exchange
for room and board, I was I was getting paid a few you know,
I got I got did other readings and that brought in some money.
And I just looked around and I thought to myself, this is not what
I have in mind for what I want to do with my life, with
my career. And I thought and thought and thought about what other ways I
could do to market myself. Now now I say market, it wasn't that
sophistic dedicated. Then I was twenty three and somewhat allric So I thought,
I wonder if I could do a reading for someone in front of me?
Could I do a reading for somebody on the telephone? And the only way
to find out is to phone somebody and give it a try. So I
started to phone my friends and they would I would always ask permission. I
started to phone my friends on a regular basis, like every every day,
not same. Once I started to phone my friends and I started to practice
doing psychic readings over the telephone. Now this was back in the mid nineteen
seventies that nobody did that then, nobody even considered that then, and I
just thought up, maybe I could do it. So after several months practice
with with with friends or or learning UM, I started asking my friends if
they could tell their friends or ask their friends if I could call them.
And I was, and I was doing that on a regular basis. And
then I used to just give out my phone number. And incidentally, I
used to come through the hotel front desk and up to my room and it
was one of those old fashioned switch sports. And when I was calling out
to people, um, he would, you know, the desk clerk that
I was also a part time right, he would have to dial the phone
and he'd also listened into the phone calls as well. So um, anyway,
I then asked people to start calling me, and I just giving out
my number. And this went on, you know, for little maybe a
year and a half or so, and and you know, i'd get you
know, it would be like three o'clock in the morning and I get a
phone call, hello, as Joe, what can you tell me? You
know? And I would go from a sleep to awake, and then I
would just blab whenever I come but hanging up the phone, gonna go back
to sleep. That went on for a while, and then one day I
said to myself, how can I get the money? Like, how can
I get paid? Because in nineteen seventy five or seventy six, first of
all, credit cards were not ubiquitous then as they are now, and even
if they were, they weren't going to give me living in a hotel with
no visible means of support. Nobody was going to let me be a credit
card merchant, so I thought, and I thought, and I saw it.
I wonder if I can do readings on the telephone, could I do
readings on the radio on the telephone? And I thought, Wow, what
a thought. So a friend of mine lived in was from a small city
north of Toronto, Arelio, and there was a radio station in Arelio.
And I thought, the only way I'm going to find out if you can
do this on the radio on the telephone is beyond the radio and the telephone.
So I phoned that radio station and it was a very small one and
it was either c j O R CFO R one is a Vancouver station.
I was on the other so cfter c j O R and the little small
town radio station. The the talk show host was also the morning man,
and he also was the program director as well, and his name was Rusty
Draper. And I phoned up and I spoke to him, and I told
him that my name was Robert Lindsay mill And and I just started using that
name. And I told him that I could do psychic reetings for his callers
and you know, he was kind of a graff, and he said,
well, if you can do what you say, you're on my show tomorrow
morning at nine o'clock. And if you can't do what you say, you're
off my show tomorrow morning at nine to fifteen. But if on those conditions,
come on up. So I agreed to the conditions. I didn't have
any money, by the way, and I was going on that radio show,
so I hied hitch hiked all the way up to Aurelia that day.
And there's a lake there called Lake Kuchi Chin, and it's right right The
city is right on Lake Kuchi Chin. And um I slept in the park
at night and and I swam in the lake for my bath, you know,
my shower, and um I got to the now the radio show at
the station, they were also broadcasting the talk show from the dining room in
the Howard Johnson's Hotel, and it was so so that they could promote the
dining room so people would come and have dinner there and things I got besides
the guests. So I showed up, you know, I slept in the
park and swam them in the lake. I showed up at that the hotel
and they weren't sure if they're gonna let me in. And anyway, I
showed them I was on the show. And I went into the dining room
and it was just empty. There was nobody there, and and I waited
around, and you know, like there were a couple of technicians, and
then Rusty Draper showed up and he introduced himself and then we went straight down
and sat on the platform where they did the show and in front of all
these empty tables, and he started to interview with me. And then he
said, so, if you're so psychic, you were it like five minutes
after the hour. He says, so, if you're so psychic, And
there's no callers and there's nobody in the restaurant, so he says, so,
if you're so psychic, you know, do something for me. And
I said, so there's some kind of Now this is from you have to
remember, this is back in the nineteen seventy six, is you know?
So I have to I'm telling the story. The exact detail isn't so the
exact words. So I said something about him having a business meeting with a
person named Richardson, and Rusty's face turned white and he said nobody knows that
and what it turned out to be. He was being into food for another
job. Anyway, he got serious with me and then we started taking calls.
Within about twenty minutes go to the small town one radio station. They
could hardly get any others. About twenty minutes into the show, people started
coming to the hotel into the you know, the dining room, and by
nine thirty the dining room was almost full. And at twenty to ten,
the dining room was full and people were coming up to the platform and asking
me all kinds you know, like um standing there and I would do some
things and then we would start, you know, we'd do phone calls and
things like that. And at about ten to ten the place was packed.
There were some people standing outside, and Rusty looked at me and he said,
can you stay on for another hour? They changed the programming because this
was so popular in this town. So I said sure, and we did
another hour from ten to eleven, and there were lineups outside and people were
coming up to the microphone and the place was just bouncing. But the big
thing is I was doing the exact same psychic things for the people in front
of me as I was doing for the people on the telephone on the radio.
It was quite amazing. This went on until about ten ten to minutes
to eleven, and then Rusty said to me, can you stay on for
another hour? And I said sure. I was just buzzing like I had
never buzzed before, and the people just kept coming up and coming up and
coming up. And this went on and on, and also the phone lines
were jammed, and I was doing the same kind of information with the people
on the phone and the people in person, and the people that would be
listening on the radio wouldn't have been able to tell the difference. How can
you possibly explain that? How can that possibly be done? Well, I'm
going to explain that in the next segment of ww r F. My guest
tonight on the Expert's Chair is a couple Kristen and Chris, and they are
experts and they study the paranormal, talking to spirits, finding haunted houses,
doing all kinds of psychic things that I've never heard of before. They've had
guests talking about things that I have never heard about before. They have so
much new information. It's really exciting talking with krist and Kristen all about the
Paranormum and Bigfoot in the Bunny. So I just want to get to this
interview right now. So I'd like to welcome Chris and Kristen to the show.
Hey, Chris and Kristen, thanks a lot for being on my side
of the Crystal ball tonight. Hey guys, welcome to my show. It's
really exciting, you know, having you on, because I've been on I
think I've been on with you, you guys, but what three times?
Is it? Yeah? And and you were instrumental in in in me deciding
that I was going to be doing my podcast and in the early days it
you know, it got me all excited about making my coming out of semi
retirement. So thank you for that. Um, thank you for being on
our show. Yea, we enjoy having you. Thank you to be on
the other side of the table here. Yeah. So so, um,
how did you two come up with the idea of doing a podcast? I'm
curious about that. But what inspired you? Well, we have a pretty
good story about that, Christy. I have known each other and cross paths
like our entire life that seem we grew up a town from each other,
and um, yeah, there's there's a lot of intersections and synchronicities that go
along with that. But long and short of it is, we ended up
dating and Kristen was very turned off to the idea of the paranormal because she
had had such traumatic experiences as a child. And this is something we find
with our guests. Almost all of them have had some sort of haunted childhood
experiences, including both of us, and it seems to carry on. So
if you're an adult and you're into these kind of paranormal things or parapsychology,
there's a good chance that you may have had some sort of childhood experiences.
But the story goes, um, we were dating for a couple of years
before we ever did anything paranormal. So you were big at you were really
intrepared, right correct, nothing to do with it. I had been on
paranormal teams and that sort of thing, done all this, and I kind
of gave up to and we went out and her house. You want to
so, so Kristin you you believed in the paranormal, You were just petrified
of it traumatizing childhood. So I didn't want anything to do with I blocked
a lot of things out and yeah, and a lot of your guests that
you met, um that are into paranormal have had negative experiences, not necessarily
negative, but they've all almost all there are exceptions, have had some sort
of haunted childhood with a house they grew up and as a child, you
know, the monster in the closet are under the bed was just a little
bit too real, right, you know, and things would move around or
whatever it is. It's different by everybody, but yeah, they seem to
have some kind of experience and I think it's an interesting statistic and it's not
something I would have known without having the podcast, you know on twice a
week now, so we talked to a lot of people and um, yeah,
that's almost always the role. UM. So when you say paranormal,
what is it that you mean by paranormal? I don't even know what paranormal
is and I've been doing my job fifty plus years. What is paranormal?
Well, to us, it's I was gonna say anything that has to do
with um, anything from UFOs to I don't know ghosts, and yeah,
it's really you know, paranormal just kind of means, you know, not
normal, something that doesn't have to day to day life. That it's hard
to explain or rationalize. It could be something like a haunting, or it
could be you know, alien obduction, phenomenal, it's paranormal. Sore is
being psychic and paranormal, I would say so, yes, I think all
these things are related. You know, our real driving force is trying to
figure out why it happens and why it occurs. Being psychic U with all
the clares and everything, it helps as well the claar sentient and you know,
yes yea to tune into what might be in a location, what might
be in our own homes. Um, Christen's home had become haunted. So
that's where we were leading to. But that's oh I said, didn't mean
I just needed I are just asking a few questions that I don't know.
This is great. No, her house was built in and what seventeen forty
Wow, that's quite old. That was That was that was before America was
America, seventeen seventy six, is you're right? Wow? Yeah. King
Phillip's War, which is the greatest battle between the white man and the Native
Americanist Native Americans indigenous people here, started in Swansea, in her town and
right actually where I close by. Yeah, so you were you were seeing
and sensing and energies and entities in and around where you lived. Yes,
also things are moving and things were lighting up, and refrigerator door was opening
and by itself, and it's really hard to open my refrigerator door. And
I was hearing because I'm a little Claire audience, and I was hearing voices
and things, and um, we're being like it is a throne, and
it was just getting too much. It was building like there's a lot of
activity on the stairwell, people going up and down the stairs and nobody's there.
That sort of thing. So she kind of cracks finally, and she
says, you know, Chris, why don't we just try to, you
know, do your thing and we'll see what what we come up with.
So I grabbed a recorder similar to this one. It's just a handheld digital
recorder and um also a spirit box, and I believe it was this one
here. And what a spirit box is for your audience. It's just a
radio where it'll scan the channels but not stop on anyone like this one here
is old, old school and I made this. I had to manipulate the
electronics in it because they didn't sell them prepackaged back then. This is an
old radio shock radio. So when you hit seek, you know, to
seek to the next channel, it'll just going, it goes through. That's
why I clipped the wire, just for it to keep going. That's right.
I basically broke the seek function intentionally. And we use those two devices
and just did like this twenty minute session asking questions and nobody's home, just
her and I and we're asking questions and we got a whole bunch of data
from that. We got EVPs, which is electronic Voice phenomena, which is
a disembodied voice saying things like Kristen at Kristen and Chris, just wait,
and these other other things. One of the spirit Box captures I'll play for
you, Okay, yes, I'd like to hear that. It's it's we're
setting this up because remember this is my first time doing something like this.
So yeah, and Kristen was like really scared. So when was this like
what we know? It wasn't last year now, nineteen, about nineteen twenty
nineteen, early twenty nineteen. Oh that's not that's not long ago. Yeah,
okay, but it was. It was so much data involved. It
you know, we ended up pursuing it, but keeping my christ listen to
the stuff back for like three weeks would frightened because it was actually answering her
questions and stuff. Yeah, hardly way to hear this. I'm freaking out
here we go, Oh that, yes, okay, I wasn't sure,
so, like Kristen, I hope that came through. Okay, it's just
Kristin, please help? Is that what I said? I heard something about
Kristen and then some space and a sound, but I did hear christ I
thought it was you talking to Christen. It was it was and and and
the spirit knew your name. Yes they knew. Wow. Yes, yeah,
it's a common phenomena for us, especially her, but we both got
it and our names are similar. It's Chris and Kristen. Yeah, you
know, we get Chris and Kristen back a lot on investigating our recordings,
which it was a little, you know, spooky at first, but how
would you spooky? In my first time, I was like, oh my
god, it said my name. You can hear in my voice. I'm
freaking out, and I'm like, oh then and it says please help me.
Yeah, because it says that in the music as well. But you
hear that clear Kristen, police help. And it was not one time,
it's several times, and it's even without the radio. So we did about
half that session with nothing, just the recorder going, and you know,
we hear this whispery voice gona hate Kristen and stuff in the background like whoa
that was going on? No, we didn't hear that in real time.
It was one who played back right, you know, but we did hear
the spare box in real time because it's loud. So yeah, that kind
of got us started. It took her about three weeks to get over that
and then I want to listen. She got into it after that and the
first one I wants to play back the data? Yeah, you know.
So so how do you go about getting that data? And how do you
know where to go? After you checked out your house? Then then how
do you find the places to go to? Well, there are plenty of
like known haunted location for sure, you know, things like Lizzie Borden's house
and uh, there's a seminary that feels like Lizzie bo and Lizzie Blunton,
uh something, and gave her dad sixty chicken acts. Yeah, yeah,
she really did. And it's doors and stuff and we've been there. But
we've been, you know, lots of different places. Some of them are
public places, like like cemeteries and things of that nature. Is one in
particular called spider Gates we like and uh, they know it's open during the
day. We go during a day, which surprises a lot of people.
Could do most of our investigations daytime. Yeah, I don't think you need
to go at night. They don't you know, wake up at night or
anything. It phenomena occurs. So what can the spirits do to you?
So they're in a different dimension. So so can they touch you or or
push you or or hurt you physically when they're in the spiritual dimension? Yes,
Um, they can. They Yes, they can. If they have
an extreme amount of energy, they can touch you. Um. I have
a a story about when I was a child. I think it was I
don't know, like around eight. Um, I was playing upstairs in my
old house, my own I grew up on a farm, my old farmhouse.
My friend was standing way way which she was sitting way in back of
me and in my room, and we had to go. We have a
flight of stairs it was I'm gonna set it up. It's a It was
an old cape and um, it was a loft inside it was an open
plan. It was a loft. So my room was at the top of
the stairs and we had like fourteen wooden stairs going down down. And my
mom called, or I thought I heard my mom call. And I stood
at the top of the stairs. And remember I've been traumatized throughout um,
you know, since I was remember through these these negative entities, and behind
me, I felt, like I said, I went to the stairs.
I felt two big pair of hands just push me on my back and I
went down the flight of stairs. So yeah, yes, they can touch
you. I mean it also now when I'm when I'm like doing dishes or
anything, I can feel hands on my shoulders. But it's a good feeling.
Um, because Okay, when did it go from scared to hell out
of you to feeling good? How did that happen? Well? I still
I still get um, scared the hell out of so d you know,
this was a childhood home. Yeah, but um, now that I'm I'm
really into this, Um, I can still feel things. Um it's negative.
I can feel the negative activity. I can feel um, the warmth
and the love of some of them. So, like I said, my
house now that I live in, UM, I'll be doing dishes and I
get a UM, you know, my hand on a hand on my shoulder,
and I feel the warmth and love of whoever it is. I don't
know really quite psychics. I don't know, well she is, but we
don't call ourselves psychics. You know. I'm like he either, raining,
you know. But she's definitely the more you know, when it would be
like an EmPATH, and she feels more. She does get her hair tugged
in different things. Oh yes, really, how come I don't get that
stuff happening to Maybe because I didn't want it. Maybe that was it.
It could be we feel like like beacons or something because we're open to these
things. I'm like, you know, it sets a light off or something
on the other side, and they seem to know. Yeah. So when
I was when I was a kid, like five years old, six years
old, we lived in this old house UM and and I knew there was
energies in the house. I could feel them. I was afraid because I
didn't understand what they were. But they never actually touched me. They never
came near me. I could just sense them in the house. So this
is astonishing that, you know, the way you're telling me this, Um,
it's really brilliant. For some reason, I don't know what it is,
but they have a thing for my hair. They like touching my hair.
Um, we have a clip of that as well. But um,
they touch you. Yes, it does freak me out, and I've had
it happens in several different places. Yeah, we can actually see it on
video. And one of one of the videos we had you could see their
hair kind of move and touching my hair and you can sue the camera was
behind us, like an infrared camera that was at night and you could see
our hair. Yeah. Yes, wow, that's incredible. Yeah, yeah,
the phenomena is very interesting. You know, we want to know why,
you know, what happens when you die, Like the basic question everybody
wants to know. Yes, where do you go? And what is it
like? And why are some spirits seemingly here and others you know we're in
you know call it? You know why is that? Well, we think
there are different us. We like the philosophy of pan psychism, which is
to say that everything very pan means everything and psychism means mind everything all matter
can hold a consciousness to some degree, you know. And we like the
trees as an example. I know there's some documentaries out there may have seen
how trees can communicate with each other, and they use from clam, which
is like a fungus grows under the earth and send each other nutrients or choke
off another tree. They apparently can recognize their own offspring. They know the
difference, and they won't feed the other offspring, that's not theirs, right,
They'll send a nutrients through really, which is an amazing process that the
two species can work together that way. It's almost like a data network in
the ground, you know. So to say that that tree is in conscious
in some way, and that of course it is, it must be.
It knows human present scientists have proved this. It knows when people are near
they actually attempt to move their branches and things of that nature away from them.
If that's true, and all matter, we're all kind of made of
the same stuff, right, I believe we believe that consciousness, as it
were, like spirit, can maintain these things. Now that's not to say
a tree it's as the same consciousness as you or I of course even our
pets. But it is conscious in some level. It is, so you
know, it has feelings. So you know, my big thing is stopped
shopping them down people. I think it's a great explanation for things that haunted
objects, you know, like a haunted doll. We've got some dolls behind
us over there, and most people that have any kind of haunted object there
not haunted twenty four seven. It's like they just get inhabited occasionally, you
know, it made the doll moves or something like that. And I think
that is why. Huh, all right, I've never heard any about all
any of this stuff. This is really amazing. Well, I know about
the trees, I guess fascinating. Yes, Um, that's pretty much I
think with everything that's on the planet though, has a has a vibration and
it resonates um. Incidentally, you know WWRS tonight is about that very same
thing. And I was going to be using the example why I was going
to use the example of of of you know, tuning in men and just
like trees, you know, are connected by underground roots and they interact with
one another. I was going to use that. We'll use a different one
now much why that's good. It goes with it. It does much like
the mascenium between trees being used as a network. We also kind of think,
and it's only a theory or a hypothesis, that maybe our subconsciousnes are
connected together and that is why things like telepathy work and being able to read
somebody there's something on a subconscious I agree. I agree with that actually almost
like you're tapping into a network and anything can be Yes. We've also experimented
with remote viewing and part of our remote viewing group with Michelle as you know,
Oh oh, oh you're are you involved in that group? I didn't
know. So do you do remote viewing? Chris or Christian? How do
you do that? Well? I started doing it, but then I got
I have I took to it a little bit more than her, so I've
done it a little bit more. But we've both done it and both had
success with it, and it's a fascinating thing. Like you know, you
just get a number and um, Michelle teaches controlled remote viewing our CRV and
that's where you're going to have like a diagram, You're going to have descriptions
and as a format to it, you know, it's based on the military
form of this, because our military used remote viewing to you know, more
or less buy on the Russians and they did it to us and all that
stuff. If you've ever seen that movie documentary Third Eye Spies, Russell Harget's
fascinating movie. It's out there and Netflix and other places. You can watch
it. Pretty much anywhere we come more or less do that style. There's
also associative remote viewing, which is very quick when you're just kind of doing
a quick drawing based on something. But the only information I get is a
number, and then I just got to try to open up my mind and
see what comes in and try not to change it. And that's the tricky
part, right, So my mind wants to take whatever information I get that
first little glimmer I get. I'm looking at that number, and then turn
it into something and it plays games. And we have things called what they
call an analytic overlay and AOL AOL. You're going and trying to make sense
of it because the mind is always trying to make sense of things, and
this is something we run across in our data as well. I've actually got
an interesting clip for you, okay, I wanted to play. That's now
this is what it's a little bit related to what we're talking about. I
can start to change the data. Oh yes, all right, because the
mind is always trying to make sense of what ever stimulus it gets. And
that's true when we're listening back to data. Some of these words, you
know, because they sound a little distorted, They might sound like one thing
or another. Now, if I tell you this next clip says bring light,
Lucifer, that's what you'll hear. Yeah. But if I tell you
it says Frank Michael Christopher, that's what you'll hear. So it's a little
bit. I don't know if you remember the Yanni Laura thing that went around
the internet a few years ago. Laurel, Laurel, Laurel, Laurel.
It's some do you remember that it was in the news and people were talking
about it. People would hear different things based on the way their ears,
which especially women would hear like Yanni. And it's because the different different different
Yeah, I can always say different frequencies in our ears the way right right,
Women had heard a little differently than men in general, and age had
something to do with it as well. But let me play you this clip,
real, fu, I should be this button if I did this correctly,
so you could hear that two ways. Apophenia is the name of that.
It's like an auditor very paradolia. Okay, your mind, try to
make sense of words. It may not be anything at all, you know.
So we have to be very careful when we pass the data that we
collect to try to just present things that, you know, pretty clear.
And most people would agree, oh, yeah, that's says hey Kristen,
or that says this, you know whatever, it is, right, But
that's uh, that was something because right there is the actual thing. You
know. That's like a Yanni Laurel thing. Yeah, Yanny Laurel. Yeah,
it's really weird. But yeah, I've heard. I always thought that,
oh did you play Do we just playing something? And I talked over
it. No, no, okay, so well I was hearing voices.
Um, just then that's why I stopped. I thought, really playing something,
That's why I stopped. Okay, that's happened to couple of the times.
So um. I've always been of the belief that that when something's on
another dimension, they may be able to be in the space, but but
they can't control the space or or and that we control the physical space when
when when they come around. Um, but you're what you've been sharing with
me that that's not true because I asked the question you can they touch you
and and things like that, they actually can't. Yes, right, And
there are entities out there that are somewhat you know, nefarious and don't necessarily
go away because you tell them too, you know. And a lot of
people tell that we'll just tell the spirit to leave if it bothers you,
and that is a great first step. But we found in our experience because
we got so into this for a while that we were drawing some other locations
into our own homes and we had an attachment. It is really because we
were really obsessed with this data. It seemed to lead us down as rabbit
hole and we can never answer all the questions, and we were getting these
weird replies and we were thinking about it. That we were thinking about it
all the time seemed to jar closer and then we are able to just like
get even more crazy EVPs and different things. Means what electronic voice phenomena,
So that is a disembodied voice that is a voice that comes across without any
help of say a radio or any kind of white noise or anything added to
it, go right into the recorder, and sometimes they select. That's another
thing. Sometimes they can select. If you have two recorders going, which
recorder that they want to speak in? All right, you could have them
side by side. We'll tell you an interesting story back to that Spider Gates
location that we like so much because we had so much paranormal activity happened there
in our visits. I believe it was our first visit. We were walking
around and we had Kristen has a digital recorder like this one wasn't this particular
one, but she has headphones plugged into it. Everything she's hearing in her
ears is coming through the microphone of the recorder. And the two of us
are walking together and we both heard somebody yell hello, and it was so
loud. We both jumped up in the air like what you know. We're
looking around who is that? Trying to figure out where the voice came from.
There's nobody around, nothing. And then when we went back and played
the data, it wasn't on the recorder, and it wasn't on the other
recorder we were recording as well. Yep, behind us, so it didn't
come through although she heard it, and the only thing she can hear is
what's coming through that recorder. So that was fascinating. Yeah, I must
so the ear drums as they used our ear drums as a microphone, so
the other side can be selective and where it has heard and what it vibrates.
We've gotten some of that electronic voice phenomena during our recordings with people,
and oh yes, even yesterday we were talking to our guests Lynn Money and
there was a couple of whispering things in there that she definitely didn't say.
And we've had other guests where, you know, we had angry type spirits
seemingly talking behind us and the recording and I don't know if it was that
all our energy together or what that is, but fascinating. I'm trying to
figure out how come I don't sense them that much or that often, and
how I get protected by that. That's what I've been thinking about, how
how come this doesn't affect me that much? And how am I protected about?
When we had you on, Yeah, several times I wondered the same
thing. I'm like, how come I get touched and he doesn't. I
wish I could see and know, but I can't. So we're all different
unique in Yeah, to give you an idea of hunting our own home,
I'll play one other clip because it's so clear and not hear this. Um.
This is a case where it is interesting scenario. We weren't together this
night. Kristen called me. You know, we were talking about like,
wow, it seems like there's something in the air, and we were really
into it. I felt a lot of energy in my house, like a
real a lot of any yeah, and I wanted to do it with Chris.
So she calls me and I bet her on speakerphone. You're on the
phone in my house, and I've got a recorder set up, and I
do have a spearbox, but it's not in the clip. And we're getting
ready and we're talking about you know, I'm gonna because the well as spirit
say, talking to this box, talking this box, as a couple of
reporters around you can touch this kind of directing the spirit to do what we'd
like it to do. And before we actually got into it, we caught
two EVPs that are like class A EVPs. Now, what you'll hear in
this clip. You're gonna hear like a sound and that's not a spirit box.
That's actually the recorder itself being overdriven and the spirit touching it right,
and it has input levels they were said correctly. It wasn't there anything loud,
but when it's touched sometimes the levels on it and lights will start to
blink funny, and it's a it's a real thing that happens. That doesn't
happen every time, but it happened on this time. So you'll hear Kristen
and I talking to each other setting up to do a session. We haven't
started the session, and you're gonna hear this voice that in the middle go
I'm gonna say it. Yeah, and that's not okay, And we're over
a phone. We're over the phone, really okay. So I've got an
external recorder, Kristen on speakerphone, and you'll hear this voice in the middle
saying, I'm gonna say it, and that is spirit, that's not us.
What court of this box sort of that box. So you hear that
I'm gonna say it, that isn't us, and I see nobody's black box.
Yeah, you know that's when I'm gonna say it. Well, you
know I have a black box that that does that kind of stuff too.
Um. A friend of mine invented it, and and I have the the
the um the very first one and now they're smaller and and UM, I
could never get it to work. But but this is what interesting. Yeah,
this was the the It looks like a drum case. Yeah I thought
it was. But but UM connected with the program on the on on his
that comes with it. Um, you can talk into it and you can
ask questions and it gives it gives um information. Now I could never make
the box work. Um, I spent I spent you know, ten hours
listening to static and that's all I heard. What I was just gonna ask,
is it all white noise? To you know? For me, it
was just all white noise. It drove me nuts. And then another guy,
one of my clients, UM, you know, he started listening to
me, went, oh my god, that's my father. He died when
I was four years old. And then you know, it seemed like his
father told him, you know what happened, and it was And a few
of my friends could do it for me. I couldn't get it to work.
So you couldn't hear anything when that happened, not a thing. I'm
interested in how the how the device works. I love it TC or instrumental
transcommunication. And that's where I can turn you on to the guy that invented
it. He's got several different you know, he's he's done a whole lot
more and they're a lot more advanced. I can connect you with the guys.
Yeah, I'd be curious to know. Curious, Yeah, how how
it worked? Like all white noise, and so your your friend heard it,
but you did. So there's several other people heard it but I didn't.
And one of the reasons, partly was that we thought is that you
know, I spent like fifty years or more tuning in being psychic, and
these tools are really um um set up for people that don't have any awareness
or any skills. That seems to be if no one's ever been psychic before,
it works for them, and those of us that have worked at done
a lot, it didn't quite work for us. Now there's something, you
know, anything can work. People use dividing rods, you know, they
use pendulums and all the things, right, and you know, maybe that's
a subconscious movement. I don't know, but it seems to give you the
right answers if you're tamed into it. Um. You know, it's the
same with any of these things. I mean, we kind of consider them
toys too, but we like them, you know. We we have this
one here's for us. Yeah. What does DHP stand for? Dark Horse
Paranormal Ah? Okay, okay, so I get I get energy from the
box. So um okay. So maybe I'm just not that um hearing oriented
when I do my work. Maybe that's what it is too. Yeah,
just practice tune into whatever the tion is. I mean, you're such a
good reader, Like I don't have that skill where I can read just from
the gut. You do. So wow, and I love that. I'm
envious of what you do. Yes, you know, but I did want
to tell your audience. We have two shows a week and a dark Horse
Parent is the name of one of them. It's our Thursday night show.
And big Foot and the Bunny is the name of our Saturday show. So
how do people find that? We'll do you know, another you know program
different. Um, We're on sil Facebook outlets. We're on a paranormal network
called Paralynx. The Paranormal United Network. We have our own pages on Facebook.
Those are all on Facebook. You can search for dark Horse Paranormal,
Bigfoot in the Bunny. You'll find something. If you you look for the
things okay for the Paranormal United Network, you'll find that we're also on We're
still an UPRN for Pig FOURT and a Bunny, which is the United Paranormal
Network. Um, that's a different network. Also YouTube, we really need
people to go and subscribe to our YouTube. Yes please, if you're looking
for us on YouTube, just look for dark Horse Paranormal Productions and we lump
everything in there on YouTube. On YouTube, that's a good place to go.
And here's some of this stuff. And you know, we inter like
yourself, we're interviewing guests and uh, you know, it's not all just
about our data, but we do have podcast dedicated to our data and you
can hear the stuff we collect if that you're interested in that on dark Horse.
So so you guys who are you know, friends and for a long
long time and then and then found out that you've got similar skills and awareness,
who came up the idea of doing a podcast? That would be me?
Oh yes, yeah, we well, we became more than friends.
I mean, well that I was. I was being cautious. I love
that word custious, cautious. I was, yeah, for a long time,
and it's great, Like we have a telepathy between us. That's like,
you know, we're always in each other's heads, are always seeing things
and get out of my head. So there could be some scare topic and
I'll just be like daydreaming on it and She'll say, whatever that topic is,
Hey, you know, I was just thinking, like really, because
I've been thinking about that for five minutes. And that stuff happens like almost
daily. It's ridiculous. It's random stuff too. It's not you know,
it's yeah, it's it's amazing how that works. But how do we come
up with the podcast? So I want what made you great about it?
I was a musician in a former lifetime and uh, not a form a
former lifetime in this existence right, yes, existence? Okay, what did
you play? By the word what was? I played bass, mostly based
electric bass guitar, but I also played guitar and there's some instruments behind us.
And I love music and I have a thing where if I don't have
the creative outlet I start to go a little crazy, like I need something
to do, you know, and my job and everything is tough to to
do another band, and this was something I enjoyed. I kind of think
of it like being in a band having a podcast, having a video podcast,
or whatever it is. And we started by doing audio once the dark
Horse Paranormal podcast, and we did a few of those, and then we
took that experience over into a video podcast and we were using Skype and we've
got on, you know, a radio network, and we just worked at
our craft and we've been doing it for like three years and it's just something
we like, you know, I do the music that is within our podcast.
If you hear ye stuff, it's something I made, either played the
instruments or worked with samples and put them together loops and different things. And
it gives me that creative outlet, you know. That's that's nice and I
love it because you know, we're both driven to know what happens again when
we die, right everybody wants to know, like why are some of these
ghosts seemingly earthboundy spirits and some seem to go to heaven or whatever you want
to call it. You have a theory. Occasionally, well you have that.
There are a lot of theories out there. Sometimes it's things like,
well, in a residual haunting, you could go to a battlefield, per
se, and it might feel something from that, and that's almost like the
land is scarred, and there may be spirits there that are trapped from the
traumatic deaths that occurred, and maybe they don't leave, or perhaps they've made
a psychic imprint on that land, and then like a broken record, it
repeats the same information. They call that a residual haunting. In a case
of intelligent hauntings, it could be things like somebody looking out for their family
didn't are as afraid to cross over. We heard a really funny story yesterday
about an earthbound spirit that didn't want to cross over because the gentleman had a
mistress and a wife on the other side, Yeah, and was afraid to
go. That's where where he was gonna go anyway. Right, Look,
Okay, that's interesting. He didn't want to go, didn't want in front
of him. Yeah, it could be the same room and you know,
like, oh, got me, could be hell, Yes, that would
be hell. Right, That was like first first thought when she said that
I'm like, oh, that's all. But then, but Dan, it
could also be heaven as well. If you get this you know the situation
right right, I don't care that you know, everything goes. You know,
it was a very bohemian heaven. I'm not sure, but um,
you know, it could be reasons like that, you know, and uh,
you know, personal murder. They're looking out for their family or there's
some unfinished business and they seemed to stick around, and those would be the
intelligent type huntings where you get answers and children, I mean children are so
you know, innocent, they don't know. That's why there's a lot of
um, little boy or a little girl hauntings, really yes, because they
don't understand that they passed away and they don't know how or what to do,
right, And this is where people lost them over. You know,
we did this one time where we encountered a child spirit repeatedly at a location
and the same in location in fact where we got that hello, a very
paranormal area seemingly, and we got in contact with a child spirit named Toby
is how he identified himself. And we would go there and we said,
you know, Toby, how old are you and the spirit box would reply
several times seven seven seven, you know, she would ask the question seven
seven seven. And we made a return trip, asked the same question,
get the same answers, and we you know, we're aware that there was
definitely a conscious spirit there. Uh. In one of our recordings, he
goes on to whimper and cry for his mother. He goes, where's mom?
And it's all in the same voice over the course of several minutes,
which is fascinating. Did you gotta think the box is just spinning, it's
getting DJ commercials things of that nature on it, but all in the same
voice. And he says seven, and where's mom? And he said he
was scared to leave and any sort of things. You know, we're asking
why why don't you leave? And it's scared to leave? And it was
very clear. Um. So we went back and we tried to walk him
out and cross that spirit and we think we did. How did you do
it? Did you help? We think we did. We returned and we
were not able to talk to him again. Um. We went through the
motions of talking to him and leading him out of the gates of that cemetery.
Kristen had ground up some candy and herbs and herbs and it's really beautiful.
And we meet a trail right out to the gate and open that gate
and said, Toby, come on. I actually put my hand out,
said hold my hand. I did feel something and like somebody was holding my
hand, and we walked out that gate and when we turned again, he
was no longer thought on another date. We haven't been able to talk to
him since, so we think it worked. But we're not as good are
that thing you know, like you are you? Yeah, sure, sure,
and mediums out there that can see the spar going into the light and
stuff. We don't quite get that, but we'll working at it. We
are. Yeah. I have been kind of a meat and potatoes kind of
psychic, you know. I've just been interested in giving information to people,
helping them go through stuff. I haven't been focused on what happens on the
other side or you know, I've always just been focused on getting through whatever
is happening. Today. I'm realizing there must be a lot of entities out
there like that little boy that that's lost in time or in a dimension.
Yes, nas a really beautiful thing, you two, did you know?
We wonder if they sometimes play roles because it's such a common story. You
know, it's like the woman in white story. You've heard the woman in
white story, you know some of those no couple, But this is like
an international story with you know, really scorned lover who jumps off at castle
wall or a cliff or silly she's trest in white and sometimes blue, and
uh, it's a story. There's a tale, you know, in every
stage. That's every state in the country, and you know even internationally,
these stories persist in Europe and whatnot. And I wonder, you know,
is it really the scorn lover or do people project this out somehow and you
know, maybe a spirit does fit into that role or accepts it. Same
thing with some of the demonic activity that people call demons out there, not
to say that they don't exist, but we certainly don't think everything's a demon.
We call it a dreaded D word because we don't think everything. Yeah,
we think negatives, but I do think I could maybe a bitter spirit
might take that role, say some words like lucifer or whatever, and it's
above and we got that anyway. Yeah, we've had use those names.
Yeah, you know, like it was something that was demonic, but probably
it was just a disincarnate negative spirit. Yeah, um, I don't know.
It's fascinating. We continue to learn every day. How do you protect
yourself from those demonics, energies that that could have taught or get attached or
follow you around. How do you do deal with that? How do you
handle it? Honestly? The best thing you know. There's different exercises you
can do and meditations during the light cleansing you and these kind of things you
can use herb sage things that people talk about. But when we what do
you do homes where we couldn't get rid of it and couldn't ask it to
leave, or we were you know, we still were having these weird activities.
Person, we've seeing a lot of stuff back then. It was a
seriod of time where yeah, it was getting a little spooky in both our
homes. Um, it was in the mind. We really just had to
stop doing it for a while and give it a break and not think about
it. It was literally like the thought of it seems to attract them,
you know, it makes you more of a magnet. Because we were obsessing
over the status so much that we were getting these class A vps and in
our living rooms. I think was really contributing was like being like a beacon
to keep them there, bring them closer. So you were like calling them
out, even though you didn't realize you were calling to that exactly if we
weren't intentionally doing that, although we were, you know, like wow,
look at what we're getting this make And it was almost in that case like
a rabbit hole, like we would ask questions and it would just lead to
more questions and more questions, and we're trying to figure out who is this
person and is this an alien? At one one point it was really it
was bananas. And we got podcasts about it, so if you do seek
us out, you can find those. We can also find some of our
podcasts where you get podcasts if you look for dark Horse Paranormal, give those
a listen and you'll hear some of that that you know, interplay between us
and what was going on and the data would collect band. But honestly,
it was the walking away from it and just giving it a break. But
that was the real cleanser. If you will, if I go now knowing
what I do, know that what we know and what happened when I go
to certain places, I do meditation and then I believe it or not.
Call upon I do like a small prayer, call upon my guardian angels,
ancestors, guardian spirits, and I do it. I prayed them, and
then I do it again just before we go into the place, and I
do it again when we walk out. So I do have a thing right,
and I do some banishing rituals. I have a little bit of a
background and sorcery and magic magic like him, doing magic tricks like prestidigitry or
magic like in um I'm sir no, sir asn't like spell work and ritual
type work. It fascinated me things like Golden Down and other mystery schools growing
up. So I learned a lot about that. And there are certain rituals
like a lesser banishing ritual the pentagram, for instance, and I'll do that.
And I used to take that out with me when I was doing teams,
and everybody would look at me like, wait, what's wrong with him?
I have my ame or kind of like a dagger and doing these things,
drawing pentagrams out in the air, and uh, yeah, it looked
a little a little crazy, but you know what, it's more commonly accepted
now in those those communities than it was then. I'm but I find them
helpful. Yeah, I'm an eclectic which so I incorporate a lot with the
w right. Yes, I just wanted to buy just wanted to make sure
everybody got that right. Hey, I can beat that as well, ask
dress. Yeah, but I do my own thing and and I incorporate other
religions into especially when I feel that I have an arsenal in my pocketbook on
us got to carry it everywhere. So when I feel whatever spirit ori entity
it is, I will definitely break out something that I know and you know,
knowing what it is, and do it from there. So this is
fascinating what you guys are doing, and it's so different than what I do.
I've always thought of myself as somebody with an awareness of like one inch
deep five miles square, and what I've discovered in the last couple of years
coming on podcasts like yours and then having my own, I'm actually one inch
square and five miles deep in my awareness and listening to some of the things
that you're talking about today, I don't know anything about anything that you're you're
you're talking about it. It's it's been mind blowing for many. It's new,
but I think everything is kind of related. The same goes for like
alien abduction phenomena and possibly even things like bigfoot sightings. There is some sort
of connection. People that have had been abducted by aliens as often come back
from it with enhanced psychic skills. They may be read people better, or
they have really loose and natural dreams, or they pick up some kind of
you know, all Calmo superpower. Ray Hernandez is a gentleman of UFO researcher
who called the term contact modalities, and that's what he's talking about, are
all these kind of abilities that seem to be given to the person post alien
abduction phenomena. I feel that haunted phenomena and alien abduction phenomena are very much
related. We don't totally see every parallel line, you know, I can't
necessarily say that they're the same thing, but there they are closely related more
so than you would think. Um. I feel like all the stuff,
psychic abilities, everything, it's all kind of joined at the hip. And
that's what we're trying to put together. And you know, we're lucky in
that we get to talk to so many different people that have had different experiences
like yourself, you know that have you know, some skill or have some
experience that they tell a tale and you go wow, A right, and
then you start to see some of these parallels. It's like I mentioned about
the haunted childhoods earlier. Um, you know, most of our guests have
had haunted childhoods. Why is it that they now have paranormal experiences as an
adult? Is there you know, some kind of connecting line between those two
things. I think there is. What I've also noticed is that and again,
I haven't even hung around very many psychics in in my lifetime. I've
always been a you know, a one man show. I've always worked on
my own independently, and and um, I've had a lot of contact with
with with with with other psychics, and they're My focus always has been helping
somebody in a crisis, in a problem right now. And I haven't been
much more interested in anything in my psychic ability except for giving service like that.
Um, and I've been learning there's so much more to those skills and
those abilities and that that awareness and you know, being talking with you guys
today and and and being around other psychic it's been um, mind blowing,
you know, like today, you know it is it's a it's a gift
of being the host. You know, you get to see this now that
you hear all these different sides and tales, and yeah, yeah, it's
greater. I think you could just never read enough books too. So why
is it then to find you know, like you're you're triggering all kinds of
questions in me and I'm going to be thinking about for a couple of years.
So how come then, you know, because because I'm really sharp,
I'm really into it and I'm released, Like, um, why would I
be drawn to that? You know, just doing giving service but missing all
this that other stuff that you guys do, And I wonder why you would
be really good at it? Well, it's probably you know, you have
a natural gift for from the guy, if you will, like kind of
like the remote viewing that we mentioned earlier, being able to turn the filter
off and just get that information and relay it to the person. You know,
You're you're really gifted in that sense, so naturally you'd be drawn to
doing it. Doing that more you like helping people, Yeah, maybe depends
on who you talk to. But yes, motion that you know, we
just kind of fell into this. Whatever our inches are, and everybody has
their own experiences, you know, and skills and different yeah, you know
things your practice. I'm sure you could do all the stuff. If you
went out and tried to investigate a home to location, any interest in that
actually crusted You're like, oh, wow, I think I just saw a
ghost walk by. You know, I'd be able to help them because you
have that ability and you can turn up that filter, really fascinating filter of
the mind. I've this This has been one of the most interesting conversations that
I've had, not just on my side of the crystal wall, but this
is one of the most interesting conversations I've had in my career. So thank
you, Oh thank you what you have share. Wow, I'm just blown
away. So how can people find you? Again? Just want to just
tell everybody how and so that they can get their minds blown as well.
Yeah. Well, the easiest way is to go on to YouTube or Facebook.
Look for our show titles Bigfoot and the Bunny, which is a story
behind that and a dark Horse. All right, all right, what is
I've been dying to ask it's a question. We get asked a lot like,
Okay, up with that name because it seems so from left field.
And the reason why we have that is I had moved to a new place
and we were enjoying ourselves. We used to go outside and look at the
stars, still kind of thing, and we had this family of bunnies that
lived in the shrub dividing the property line. Okay, yeah, and we
go out and at the time, we might have been having a few sangreas,
and we'd thrown some some fruit, you know, feed the bunnies,
and the bunny seemed to like that, and um drunknnes be a little bit
of phenomena going on place, and we thought that what's going on? You
know, it's kind of weird, like I'm gonna move and it's still haunted
because we're haunted, that's why. But anyways, we're like, we're out
there one night, we're standing outside and having having the singer is looking at
the sky and we see this orange light and what would be a UFO to
us, and it is humming. Now it's not moving as fast as a
shooting star, but it's going way faster than it chest at all. It
wasn't a meteor. It's bright orange and we're both just watching it and all
I could do was point up. I could not see anything because this is
something that is not right, but like this, and it just it just
sailed across, sailed across the sky through the beautiful night, you know.
And so it definitely wasn't a meteor, was not a plane. It was
it was way faster than a jet. And as the next thing, you
know, you'll see big Foot Chase in the Bunny. And then when it
came time to come up with a show name that, I go, well,
how about big Foot in the Bunny. He's like, oh my god,
I love it. I'm like really, I was, you know,
goofing around. I was joking. He's like, no, I really like
that. It took me a while to, uh, to like it.
So so there was a possible UFO experience, yea paranormal watching us because we
couldn't explain it's a UFO, at least to us. Yeah, um,
we had the bunnies in the yard and he's the next thing, you know,
we'll see big Foot Chase in the buy. So it's based on a
paranormal event between both of us, So that's where that comes from. Ye.
So yeah, I interrupted you you when you were doing your call to
action. Um, so we can do that now and edit the other one
out. So if you want to talk about how people can get you,
to you again so it's clearer. So it's all together, so you get
sure we want to do it. Yeah. You can find us on Facebook
at Bigfoot and the Bunny at dark Horse Paranormal Productions. If you search those
names on Facebook you'll find us. We have a network Paralynks, the Paranormal
United Network that is out there and you'll see links to these things on our
pages as well. That's great. There's a lot of people on there that
are international. We have viewers in Australia, Japan that regularly joined the show
and we have a live chat going. They come in and we do to
live chat. We answer people's questions and comments. We made quite a few
friends that way and that's fun. We're also on YouTube at dark Horse Paranormal
Productions and if you do go out there, please give it a liking,
a subscribe suba you know, I actually know those subscribe are important. YouTube
is very kind of tough on people who so we would love it. We'd
appreciate those, those likes and subscribes, and those are the best ways to
get us. We have a website, dark Horse Paranormal dot com. It's
a little out of date, but you know, most of the stuff is
in there, and you'll find links to these pages from there, and those
are the best places. If you're in our cinem remote viewing, we can
give Michelle a plug. You can find Michelle and at www. Butterfly Effects
Center dot com. And that's what we started out, taking courses with her
with the remote viewing stuff that we discussed earlier. And that's pretty much it.
What an amazing experience. Thank you so much, Thank you for thank
you for having us on. I really appreciate it. Well, this brings
us to the end of one of the most amazing shows that I've ever done
and ever been around. I learned more about paranormal tonight than I've done at
any other time in my life. So fascinating, and I'd like to thank
you very much for joining us. And before we say goodbye, I've got
a couple of requests. If you're watching us on YouTube, please like,
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say something about the show, and if you do, we're going to be
around for a really long time. And incidentally, you can find us on
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And if you're looking for me personally, you can find me on my website
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I have these words too. Good, stay safe, and above all,
just be kind. Goodnight, everybody,