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Hello everyone, and welcome to the November fifteenth edition of our show. Hello
my lovely co host Christina Bowen. How are you, my friend? I
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you ever wondered what this whole alien thing is about, you know that we're
being visited. There are ships, there are beings, there are experiences.
Tonight, we have a gentleman with us that has been an experiencer for a
majority of his life and still is today. These experiences continue to happen,
and you know, we're going to get into the nitty gritty with him and
talk about his life and what this has done to him and what his experiences
experiences have actually been. And so, without further ado, I'd like to
welcome Jim Loki to the show. Hi Jim, how why are you?
My friend? Scott? Hi Christina, thank you, thank you for joining
us and sharing this because I know this isn't easy. I know it's not.
It's difficult. A lot of people have have some real challenges sharing this
kind of thing. It can really rock your world. So I really appreciate
you being here. When did this start for you, Jim? How old
were you when you first had your first experience? Well, my first experience,
my first you know, feelings of fear around this. There was a
lot of confusion, you know. I didn't have the type of experience where
I remember, you know, a UFO landing in the yard and them approaching
me and you know, taking my temperature. Right, I just out of
the blue developed this fear of imagery of what's as seemed to be the gray
alien, right with the big eyes in the tiny mouth. When I was
around seven years old, I was up with my grandparents and we watched the
first episode of Unsolved Mysteries and they featured the Roswell and they must have shown
a picture of like a gray alien, and it shook me for no reason
that I knew, but I reacted in such an extreme way. I told
my grandmother that I didn't want to take a shower that night because I was
afraid that they were going to pull me through the wall. And now seven,
yeah, you know that pulling you through the wall thing turns out is
is a common experience people are. People report being levitated through walls, through
closed windows, and through ceilings and attics and onto some craft of some sort.
So you know, it's it's strange to me that that was my fear.
Then, when I had no recollection of anything being pulled through a wall,
that night, I went to bed and wouldn't go to sleep. I
wouldn't stop. I was fearful. And then that fear continued through my teens
in twenties. There have been long periods of my life kept up by infomercials
and just afraid to go to sleep. That's where it started. Yet I
didn't know why, but you know, it evolved. I started having these
weird dreamlike experiences, and I started to recall things that were strange that happened
much earlier. When you say strange, can you give us an example.
Yeah. I have a clear memory from when I had to have been about
one years old or one and a half. And I know this because I
was still in my crib and I shared a room with my mom. And
the memory is that I was awake and I was standing up in my career
and holding on to the railing, and I could see on a wall across
from me, over her bed a circle of light and in my you know,
baby brain, I saw it as the moon. I thought the moon
was in my room and it was on the wall. It's kind of strange,
as you say that, Yeah, that qualifies and strange. So it's
it's it's things like that. You know, we'recalling that memory and going,
hey, what you know, what was that? And you know Mom wasn't
Mom wasn't in bed, you know, where was she? Like what happened
after that? You know, I don't know were being fearful? I just
we're kind of the feeling of like, wow, look at that. The
moon is in my you know, in my room on the wall, you
know, and of course there's a baby. You know, that's not out
of the realm of possibility. You know, when you're when you're that age,
you don't understand that that can't be what that is, right, that
that's not supposed to happen, right, right? Did your mother ever report
anything to you that she had explosions? No, she she did it.
You know, it's common for experiences to have that as a trait in their
family. You know, it's it's thought that maybe lineages are traced in part
of whatever the plan is, the study or whatever is going on. But
I don't know. I mean, there are also other common alleys between experiences.
A lot of times it's it's having military in your family. Really,
you know, that's something that comes up quite often. Yeah, you know,
so I have that. I Uh, when I talked to my grandmother
about this stuff, she she got upset with me and basically said what the
Air Force has said, which I find funny now. But she just just
said, uh, those are crash test dummies and that was yeah. But
she was very angry about it. And you know, uh funny. She
was a she was a typist for the army, and I'm talking about talking
about I don't think she had any any access to anything top secret. There
was a family story about, you know, the typist making mistakes and just
starting over, just tossing them into the trash, you know. So I
doubt she was typing about anything at Roswell or anything. It's interesting though.
It's suspicious to me. And when I say it's suspicious, I mean I
don't think your grandmother was telling you one truth but I often wonder if she
had her own fears, if she had her own and that's what I think,
understand, Yeah, yeah, and that's what I think about now,
because you know, how would I react if my grandson was coming to me
with the same you know deals, and I wasn't as comfortable with it as
I am. Well, especially if your grandchild is that age. Your grandson's
not thirty, you know, your grandson is a baby, really a talking
and so you don't want to frighten me. Yeah, you know, and
I think that's I mean, that's that's a valid response. I would think,
you know, I think that when when you when you talk about these
exp I don't know if you can answer this because you weren't really aware of
it at the time. But do you think that they were physical abductions?
Like they come, they get you, they bring you out, and they
put you back. You know. My question with that would be, well,
you know what if your parents walked in the bedroom, you know what
if you you know, they would notice you weren't there, and then you
were there, you know what I mean. So I wonder how that would
have worked back then. I don't have any memory of being you know,
floated out the window and walking onto a craft. I've woken up. I've
become aware in spaces that one would assume is a craft, similar to what
other people have reported being on a flat table. I'm curious, do you
recall it warm or cold? I I don't. I can't. I can't
say warm or cold. It's disorienting, you know. The most recent time,
I, you know, I was at a I was actually on a
table at a forty five degree angle. Really, yeah, so it's it's
it's head up, yeah, so that's it's uh, it's weird things like
that. It's that are disorienting. You know. A light source kind of
ambient, like not coming from anywhere exactly, you know, not not like
something I would recognize as a lamp right right, you know. And I've
never really gotten a good look of anything under me or behind me, you
know, the detail that you hear from some experiences that have been on these
crafts. I don't have it. It's just the you know, I can
remember clearly looking at the back of one of their heads over my shoulder,
but like the wherever I was exactly, I couldn't couldn't. I couldn't say
Jim do you know that as a memory, like like you remember what you
did yesterday or did that come through later on in some kind of a regression.
No, I haven't done regression, so it's all a memory. It's
just I remember, Yeah, I haven't done regression. It's you know,
regression has been uh brought up, and I've been actually recommended to somebody local
that you know, but I I haven't. I'm not I'm not prepared to
do that at this you know, this point. It's it's a it's something
that I admire when people can do it and get something out of it.
I feel like I'm doing this at my own pace and it's it's working for
me now. So I'm just going to stick to that. You're where you're
at, and to a certain extent, you probably would be reliving it,
you know, if it was truly a successful session. Yeah, you know,
you might be reliving it all over again, which you know, I
don't know. I think that maybe think of something when we talked about,
you know, seeing the back of their heads. You know, it's interesting
that they don't well maybe they do block out your memory. I mean I've
heard those sorts of things too, so that you but yeah, well you
do. It's there's reports that they they they can manipulate your memory and your
perception of reality real time. They can and appear as something completely different,
as an animal, as a man with a mask, as as a shadow,
and they could. They they can whatever they are, they can control
your perception. So who knows what I saw? Who knows what the back
of this thing's head was. I can distinctly remember the round dimples like on
the underside of its cranium, but I don't know what I was looking at.
Yeah, when when Kathy Martin was on the show, I don't know,
a year or two ago. She is the niece of Betty and Barney
Hill, and of course you know they're very famous about having that experience in
New Hampshire, and they came back and they're you know, Herby's dress was
ripped. I mean she had been through something physically, it's you know,
they had lost all sense of time. Have you experienced anything like that where
there's been a loss of time or that physically you came back and something's happened
to me physically you can tell your clothes are ripped or you've got to you
know, I've never had anything. My dress has never been ripped. Well,
that's good because you'll still have it for Friday night. So that's what
about that? Yeah, but I have I have experienced missing times. It's
weird, though, so you know, I started studying this phenomenon in my
early twenties. You read about missing time. It's a seems like it's a
common factor here. So I'm aware of it, and then I live my
life thinking that's never happened to me. I would know, right, because
the story usually is something like I was somewhere and then I saw a light
in the sky, and then all of a sudden, it was four hours
later and bang, missing time. Right. I had a missing time where
I was driving in an area that I wasn't familiar with. I was coming
back from a friend's lake house with my girlfriend, and I came to at
an exit off of the highway in front of a Wendy's. And did I
fall asleep? Did I? I don't know. My girlfriend realized that the
car had stopped, and she woke up or popped her head up and said,
you know, what are you doing? And I just had no idea
where I was or how I got there. So that's that's interesting in itself,
and it could be it could be a thousand things. Before it's it
must have been an eta, So you know before that, there was some
strangeness that happened. So that's where you know, when the strangeness happens and
then that missing time event happens, then I go back and think, well,
maybe there's something to that strangeness. So when I'm talking about strangeness strangeness
mm hmm, there's there's something that's been described as the Odds effect for experiences
where shortly before something happens, you have this feeling of like wow, like
what is this like strange Wizard of Oz type feeling happening right now? You
know, like you're in munchkin Land. Everything's different and everything everything's different.
Yeah, so that happened that morning. We were hiking and we were in
the woods and all of a sudden, moths started dying and falling like raining
out of the trees. So yeah, so that's Weirdly, that's probably a
natural phenomenon, but it's weird weird. And then we sat at the top
of a hill, two friends and I, and in total silence, we
heard a tree crack crack, crack and then boom, a whole giant tree
fell over and slid down the hill beside us. So we were like,
wow, that's crazy. You know. We made all the yeah, the
obligatory joke of trying to figure out, well, yeah, it does make
it sound you know, we're here. Yeah, so that's that's right.
So that's the strangeness interesting, and that's how it man. And then yeah,
so it's it's not always so easy to just say I saw the light
in the sky and something happened, right, But you know, and I
think too this whole God, please don't call the Registry of Motor Vehicles because
what I'm going to say here, but I feel like there have also been
moments when I've gotten to a stop sign and I'm like, how the heck
did I just get here? Now? Is that normal? Because I feel
like that's normal. I feel like I'm that can't be the only one that
that's ever happened. It is normal because you know, you're on autopilot,
especially when you're driving where you've been and it's the same highway you've been every
day back and forth from working at home. But uh, god, there's
a great joke. What's his name Stephen Right, the comedian. He said,
he's a dead pan. He would just have like one liners and he
would say, you know, I've never fallen asleep driving, but I've woken
up driving and that happened. That's funny because it's happened. You think you
woke up when you're driving, So you know, you have to weigh that
against you're one experience of waking up while driving to see you know what the
context is. Yeah, a few point times in one, but still nonetheless.
Yeah, you know, but but it doesn't mean it was an alien.
It doesn't mean it was an abduction, it doesn't mean any of that.
But in your case, you know, you have all these other pieces
of it to sort of fall in together. Yeah, and two, you
know, the the UFO thing seems to open up all sorts of paranormal activity.
The UFO thing, it's very commonly reported for people that are experiences of
you know, what are perceived as aliens or UFOs. They all have ghost
stories, they all have orb stories, they all have poltergeist stories. It's
so common. And I'm not the exception that that for sure. I've had
my fair share of that stuff. Well, and I think you know,
you and I have had this conversation that you know, even though the mediumship
has been around, I know, you know, looking back at it,
it's been around most of my life. But it was after I saw that
ship in nineteen ninety five that things change. Things changed. It was it
was certainly I still wasn't thinking, oh, I must be a medium,
but but I became aware of things. The building that I owned, I
could hear people walking up and down the stairs and across upstairs, and I
could smell things and feel things that I hadn't and and I and I really
feel like there was a time that that that was the defining moment, and
after that things started to change a little bit for me. Yeah, it's
a it's a it's a it's a real observable phenomenon. It's been studied by
the US government. The Department of Defense had a program that studied UFOs and
it overlapped and general. If you've ever heard of the Skinwalker Ranch, Oh
yeah, So the Skinwalker Ranch is a place that had uh a ton of
UFO reports and the people who owned the ranch for a while started experiencing all
kinds of crazy stuff, seeing different cryptids around and seeing portals in the sky.
And what they figured out is that there's something called the hitchhiker effect.
So if you're within proximity of that activity, it can attach itself somehow like
virally and spread to you and your family. Wow. So that that's been
observed, it's written about. Now your family has had experiences too, some
of them, right, I mean, and you told me that you yeah,
and it told them to knock it off. I mean, you know,
and I'm just yeah, on the you know, the psychic end my
family has has, it's more in tune to that. You know. I
don't know if there's a a connection necessarily, but you could you could guess.
Can you tell me though that when your kids were little that they had
started to see the grays and a sort of yeah, sort of. So
my stepdaughter, when she was very very young, two years old, ah,
came in to my room the next day and told us, Uh,
the mushrooms came into my room last night. And you know, my wife
is like thinking, what you know, this is a toddler just talking crazy.
But my stomach immediately dropped because I reckonized what what that could be.
To go back a little bit, speaking of how these they can distort your
perception of reality. You're you hear stories about you know that they appear as
clowns or with monkey masks, I've heard, or as animals owls, you
know. So to think the mushrooms came into my room, you know what's
what's that? It sounds like them? Yeah, So I said, well,
what did they do? And she goes, they looked at me like
this, and uh, it's upsetting. Of course it's upsetting. So I
had time to think about it, and I'll say after that, she had
one other story where she said her lamp was looking at her. She had
like a little kid lamp that was like had three things with goose snacks,
and she said they were looking at She said that they were looking at her
and she wouldn't like it. And she said, I want you to get
rid of the lamp. So we did throughout the lamp, and then after
that she said she had nothing. She has no memory of this now either.
I think, you know what, I've gone back and thought about it.
You know, if they're interested in lineages and family connections, she was
my stepdaughter, so they were probably checking her out, like what is this?
Uh? I don't know, unsanctioned breeding going on here, right right
right, that's but that's that's that's a that's an absolute guess. Yeah,
did your wife at the time know what was happening to you? Or yeah?
I had told her about it. She's never she's never been I'm very
lucky and that she's always accepted everything that I've told her. She I don't
know if she really recognized that as what I thought it was. I understand,
Yeah, so it was I kept it to myself. Yeah, probably
a good idea. I mean that's frightening, you know, you just you
make everybody it is crazy because I mean it's like, well, you're powerless
when you're growing up and dealing with this, and now how are you you're
still powerless and trying to protect your kids from mm hmm for sure, for
sure. Yeah, it's it's hard. You know, I've heard from mouf
On that they they do they follow families through history and that typically if you're
having an experience, you're probably not the first one in your family that it's
probably been going on for a very long time. That's just I mean,
I'll be honest, it preaps me out. Yeah, it's it's frightening.
It's absolutely frightening. Yeah, I would love personally to do some kind of
a regression to find out what that ship was in nineteen ninety five. I
don't believe that. I ever, I don't think there was anything other than
that. I don't feel like there was any kind of you know, I
don't feel like I was an abductee or anything like that. I don't feel
like that, you know. I mean, who knows, but I don't
think so. But I would love to go back and see and feel what
that was so that I could understand it better. I mean, it's been
a long time, but you've even said you had, well, your path,
your journey kind of blossom to opened up after that. I have to
look at this synchronicity there. Yeah, there's there's a government study that has
uh, you know, biological effects due to proximity of UFOs. So proximity.
I mean I was close, you know, I was on the road,
but it doesn't mean that I was necessarily getting the craft with them,
do you know what I mean? I don't. I don't know. You
have to be in the craft, I don't think. Yeah, I think
just being within the general area maybe right. I mean again, it's it's
a commonly reported I think people say I had the sighting and then all of
a sudden, this strange thing starts happening, and this strange thing starts happening.
It's common. Is it always paranormal in natures start happening. Yeah,
well it's because it's the you know, paranormal is strange, right probably by
definition. Yes, you know, I'm not. I haven't won any lottery
tickets. You know, I don't have that superpower I've had, you know,
But but I've had pre cognitive dreams where I've seen people that I was
close to dead and then found out that they were they had died. You
know. Ah, you know that's so interesting, Jim, because it's all
like coming back to me now as we're talking to you. But I always
tell these stories about how when I was in the funeral home and I was
in the funeral business, I would think, this is what happened to you
know, Mary Smith. You know, I hadn't thought about her in a
while, and the next day I get the call she's gone, or that
afternoon I would get the call as she was gone. That never happened until
after that experience, and I really never put I mean, this is only
in hindsight. I sit back and think, hmm, maybe, but it
never happened before I would remember that. Yeah, that's the hallmark of something
that's either pre cognitive or or even people talk about synchronicities, which real discussions
and synchronicities goes way over my head. It's it's it's like big brain stuff
that I really can't wrap my head around. But it's you know, what's
what's an actual important coincidence and what isn't? It's it's what context is it?
You know, So if you haven't thought of this person in a million
years and then something comes up and there's memory there and they're dead or something
happens, that's then there's context to it being strange, right, And it
didn't feel pre cognitive to me. I mean it still doesn't, you know,
I don't think I yeah, and I don't think it ever does I
don't. I think you have to. It's hard to know when something is
pre cognitive. It's hard to know exactly because because then you could act on
it, and it seems like we can never really act on it. We
Scott did youse me is everything Okay, Scott. H oh, we just
love Scott. He'll be back. Yeah, finally, finally we got rid
of that guy. Now listen, this is what's going to happen. I'm
taking over the Paranormal Project to be the Paranormal Project with Jim Loki Hadrian Christina
about it. If you're lucky, I'll keep you, we can keep going.
I'm sure he'll pop back in. All right, Christina, what's your
top five Desert Island records? Oh, we could go on that. I'm
a crazy mix of music. But back to what you were talking. Funny,
Yah, how often do you guys run into technical difficulties? Now you
you guys have a professional wrangling things, right, So you have a producer,
you have somebody pushing buttons making sure the show goes on. And how
many times do you have technical difficulties every single show? Yeah? Because well,
because you gotta look what we talked about. It's the it's the aliens,
it's the poltergeist, it's maybe it's the CIA, maybe they're maybe they're
messing with you. But I do have a leg to all through the house,
so it happens. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's it's so common.
It cracks me up every time my good friend has a podcast, uh
you know, on the same subject, and she laughs, it's the same
thing that nine times out of ten, you are I never left and welcome
back to We have our guests today, Scott Allen, take it away.
So I need to tell you. I was getting all kinds of weird beeps
and sounds and like static white noised out. Now, look, I still
can't hear you through these things. Now I can take them off. I
hear you from the computer even though it's connected. But all all I could
hear was like weird electronic notes, sounds and white noise. And I take
myself out because I thought you could hear it. And Chanel said no,
everything was fine on her, and so it was just coming to me.
I know, still wonky stuff. You know, the energy sometimes around me
is a little bit crazy, and that sometimes will happen. That's never happened,
but that's what we were just discussing. Scott. Yeah, and I
don't even think I can hear you. I can hear you through the through
the computer. It won't go back to my thing right now. I don't
know what happens, you know, it was just kind of weird, and
I was afraid that that's all you could hear that nobody could hear you.
But but nobody else heard it except me, which is really odd. So
Nope, that was just you. That was just me, all right,
but you jumped out. Remember I'm Ed McMahon and you're Johnny Carson. Ed
doesn't carry the show. Ed doesn't carry the show well, but Ed would
try dropped Edward try. Yeah, that was very strange. That's that's all
right, But you know, you got a point when we we've had our
fair share of these kinds of just weird technical glitches, and it certain guests
just seem to bring it out even more. Whenever we have anyone on who's
a little intuitive that's in tune, I would say in tune, you know,
yeah, it's just kind of like it'll sometimes do things and you don't
look for nothing. And I'm not gonna say that everything is paranormal, because
we all know it's not right. But you have a galactic group of friends,
let's just put it that way, and you know they probably know you're
here. Yeah, I would say they pay attention, especially when you talk
about them. Yeah, and it's it's either them or the CIA guy that's
assigned to me. So you never know. I mean, I told I
don't know if I told you Jim when we were in Scotland. I was
in Scotland a year and a half ago and we were a where there's a
lot of these things, and we saw the black helicopters with people dressed in
suits and unmarked and then a black car came up, all tinted windows with
two people dressed in suits, the men in black. I mean, it
was like they came up, they spun around and it was left. Yeah,
that area, did you say it was bonnie Bridge, Scotland. Bonnie
Bridge was that was? Yeah, that's that's a hot spot. There's a
lot of spot. Yeah, it's a UFO hotspot. And I believe that
the one of the lines, the energy lines, the lay lines in that
area. Yeah, so there's a Yeah, there's the history of strangest in
that area, you know, goes back to the Aliens, that of yesteryear
fairies. Well okay, so let me let me just share that because I
know we're talking about this kind of thing we had seen. We were looking
in the sky at bonnie Bridge. That's when we saw the two black helicopters.
They were open on the side where people looking down. They came and
they went, they were flying really low. We went down the hill and
around the corner there's this little cave where the fairies are. And that's what
made me think of it when you said that. Now, interestingly enough,
you have to climb down and into this area where there is this this cave.
People leave offerings for the fairies. That's kind of a big thing.
And I was taking pictures throughout with my iPhone, right and then I looked
through the pictures after one, two, three, four, and then there
was one that was upside down. Now, it's impossible to take an upside
down photo with your iPhone because it spins around. It spins around, so
that was odd in and of itself. It came out of the cave and
we were up waiting. There was a little parking area and this black suv
came in, like I said, tinted windows. Two people dressed in black
suits literally came in, spun right around and right back out again. And
we're in the middle of nowhere, I mean nowhere. I don't know where
these people came from or how they found us, but you know, the
men in black. Is that a thing? Maybe? I don't assure what
it looked like to me? Was it? Government enough people have reported that,
you know. And to add to it the fairy lore, there's a
famous researcher named Jacques Valet. Okay, he's a venture capitalist. He brilliant.
I think he had something to do with creating the Internet back in the
day. He's a brilliant guy. The film Close Encounters of the Third Kind,
remember the French scientist that is there in the movie. It's based on
him. That character was based on Jacques Vallet. He has numerous books kind
of delving into that old folklore angle of what we're seeing today and that it's
somehow connected. Wow, fascinating. It's a lot we don't know. Like
I said earlier, you have to approach. I mean, if you're in
you can't just assume that just because you can't see it or experience it yourself,
that it isn't real. Right, So, Jim, I don't know
a lot we don't know. Dan, Yeah, I don't know about I
mean, I love my fairies, so I would I would be hurt to
think that they weren't really fairies. Yeah, but how did they behave,
they were mischievous, they would take children, right, Yeah, think of
it that way. There's there there's a lot we don't don't know. I
mean, and this is another Jacques Vlet quote, he'd be really disappointed if
it turned out that this was just little green men coming from another solar system,
you know. And I don't concur I don't. I don't think that's
what we're experiencing. I think it's something much stranger and much weirder and harder
to wrapper heights around. I come from the school with thought that as human
beings, it's awful conceited of us to think that we are it, that
there's nothing else, and that falls right in line with everything that you've talked
about. Right. It just blows your mind. I mean it makes you
question, Yeah, your very belief system. It's it's it's exactly that.
It just it blows your mind, right, right. But there's so much
that blows my mind. I mean, even when I do blows my mind,
and what's going on with you blows my mind. You still, to
this day experience these these episodes, do you not? Yeah? Yeah,
you know it's evolved. You know. As a it was very frightening.
It was very I was feeling a powerlessness and fear. I've I've you know,
found a great community of experiencers online that have been a great resource in
just contextualizing my experiences. People have even shared ways of protecting yourself different you
know, protection rituals or states of mind. Ah, just you know,
as simple as there was a guy I was talking to in a support group
who just said, well, have you have you tried saying f off?
I was like, you could do that. You could just say well,
f off, really, and yeah you can't? You you can. You
could take power back for yourself. You have sovereignty over yourself. And once
you realize that, it's much different. When I have had recent experiences,
I think I'm actually getting something out of them and not just being afraid and
bad memories. Are you still afraid when it happens? I don't know,
because at the state of fear, I'm not I'm not there. You know,
the last one I remember, well, the second to last one I
remember I wasn't you know, oh, hey, how's it been and how
you doing? But I was calm. I was just neutral, and you
know, I kind of felt like a willing participant in the way that you
know, a good cat behaves at the vetered aarian's office. Gotcha, that
makes perfect sense? Yeah, yeah, and uh, and it may just
be because of you know, like the cat. I know, I'm not
gonna have my hands chopped off. I'm gonna I just need to be said.
I'm gonna get be put back in the towel and it's gonna be fine.
So somewhere, somewhere, deep down, I probably have gotten to that
point. Yeah. Do you know why? Why? You? Probably not?
No, I you know, that's the big question. Why me?
What's going on? Who are they? Right? All these crazy questions that
I don't think we'll ever have the answer to. I certainly don't have those
answers at all. So I've stopped asking those questions, and I rather question
how have I changed? What, what have I done? How has the
experience affected me? In that way? So I see myself over time evolving
into a more peaceful, content complete human. You know, I didn't grow
up around anything hippie New Age whatsoever. I grew up in a very conservative
material family. And like, I've just done a complete one eighty and too
in that regards. You know, it's ah, well, you know there's
more I've never had. I've never had them tell me to be good to
the planet. I've never had those experiences. But that's how I feel.
I've I I want to be a vegan, I want to take to take
care of all animals. I don't kill bugs in my house like that's you
know, it sounds silly, but it's it's actually it's I've become spiritual.
I love that. Yeah, I've become spiritual. I have a different worldview
than I think I could have ever had without these experiences. You know.
Oh, I'm sorry, Tom, I was going to say maybe that,
you know, so that's maybe that's the idea. Maybe that's the whole point
of this. Do you know when it's going to come? Do you have
a sense of it before it happens or is it just a complete Yeah,
it's like I'm on. I call it being on and off. And when
I'm off mm hmmm, I'm I know nothing's going to happen, but when
I'm on, I don't know when it's going to happen, but all of
the little weird things happen. Mm hm. And how are you now?
I'm off, I'm off. I'm off, But as I say that,
I kind of got chills up. You know. It's like, don't be
don't be so sure, you know, but yeah, it it it.
There's periods of quiet, and uh, I've been in a period of quiet.
I think they're giving me a chance to two h recover from a you
know, I had a We talked about this earlier. I had a stroke
this year, and I think I'm in a peaceful little area here. I
think they're they're they're they're letting me just recover well. On that note,
and that's that's a that's a good thing, and I'm glad to see you
doing better. On that note, we have come to just about the end
of this hour with you, and it always does go by quickly. I
want to tell people you are. What your podcast is is what's the name
of it, The clueless Experience? Why do I have trouble experience? That's
how I felt. I couldn't think of another word that meant clueless that didn't
sound stupid, right, the stupid experience there. But it's crueless because I
really don't know what's going on. I am not going to to say this
is what's happening this is who's doing it. I don't know. That's how
we know you're you're legit, That's how we know you're real because you don't
have all these check out the Clueless experience or is it everywhere? That podcast?
I know you've been on a high of your illness and that kind of
thing. But yeah, it's kind of off both for now, but I'm
ready to jump off again. That's great. This December experience, that's fantastic.
And you know, and where can we catch that? Oh, Spotify,
Apple podcasts, all the anywhere we listen to podcasts. Good And we
talked about me being a guest on your show, which I would love to
do. And so hopefully, you know, we'll be sharing this with our
audience and letting people know when I'll be there. So I want to thank
you for being here and sharing all of your personal stories with us, because
they really are and it brings a lot out of you to be able to
share things like this. I want to remind Everyoneday that next week we will
not be live. We will be airing a rerun next show because well we're
all going to be cooking next Wednesday night, getting ready for the big day
on Thursday, So next week is not a live show, but I do
think Christina that our show the week after is all about magic, magic with
you know who, because she is a card carrying, broom riding, cauldron
stirring witch and yeah, and she makes her own teas and all of these
kinds of things. So we're going to be talking about magic in two weeks.
But in the meantime, I want to wish everyone a very very very
happy and healthy Thanksgiving and kickoff to the holiday season, because it seems like
once that everything just goes bing bing bing, and then it's January. So
I for sharing with us this year and this season. I do want to
remind everyone too December seventh, if you're in Massachusetts, I'm going to be
doing a live gallery demonstration at Merrill's on the Waterfront in New Bedford with spirit
medium Karen Tatro, and those tickets are still on sale. We do have
tickets available. We can go to my website at Mediumscottallen dot com. It's
a L L A N and grab your tickets for December seventh, which is
a Thursday night at seven o'clock. If you're here in Massachusetts or in the
area in Rhode Island. I would love to see you there and again,
Christina, thank you for sharing the show with me and Jim. It's been
an absolute pleasure, so thanks, thank you so much. Jam. Good
night, everyone, have a wonderful week and we'll see you in two weeks.
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