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The Paranormal Project Radio show, carry
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Hello everyone, and welcome to the
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you ever wondered what this whole alien
thing is about, you know that we're

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being visited. There are ships,
there are beings, there are experiences.

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Tonight, we have a gentleman with
us that has been an experiencer for a

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majority of his life and still is
today. These experiences continue to happen,

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and you know, we're going to
get into the nitty gritty with him and

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talk about his life and what this
has done to him and what his experiences

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experiences have actually been. And so, without further ado, I'd like to

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welcome Jim Loki to the show.
Hi Jim, how why are you?

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My friend? Scott? Hi Christina, thank you, thank you for joining

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us and sharing this because I know
this isn't easy. I know it's not.

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It's difficult. A lot of people
have have some real challenges sharing this

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kind of thing. It can really
rock your world. So I really appreciate

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you being here. When did this
start for you, Jim? How old

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were you when you first had your
first experience? Well, my first experience,

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my first you know, feelings of
fear around this. There was a

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lot of confusion, you know.
I didn't have the type of experience where

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I remember, you know, a
UFO landing in the yard and them approaching

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me and you know, taking my
temperature. Right, I just out of

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the blue developed this fear of imagery
of what's as seemed to be the gray

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alien, right with the big eyes
in the tiny mouth. When I was

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around seven years old, I was
up with my grandparents and we watched the

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first episode of Unsolved Mysteries and they
featured the Roswell and they must have shown

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a picture of like a gray alien, and it shook me for no reason

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that I knew, but I reacted
in such an extreme way. I told

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my grandmother that I didn't want to
take a shower that night because I was

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afraid that they were going to pull
me through the wall. And now seven,

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yeah, you know that pulling you
through the wall thing turns out is

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is a common experience people are.
People report being levitated through walls, through

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closed windows, and through ceilings and
attics and onto some craft of some sort.

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So you know, it's it's strange
to me that that was my fear.

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Then, when I had no recollection
of anything being pulled through a wall,

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that night, I went to bed
and wouldn't go to sleep. I

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wouldn't stop. I was fearful.
And then that fear continued through my teens

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in twenties. There have been long
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and just afraid to go to sleep. That's where it started. Yet I

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didn't know why, but you know, it evolved. I started having these

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weird dreamlike experiences, and I started
to recall things that were strange that happened

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much earlier. When you say strange, can you give us an example.

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Yeah. I have a clear memory
from when I had to have been about

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one years old or one and a
half. And I know this because I

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was still in my crib and I
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the memory is that I was awake
and I was standing up in my career

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and holding on to the railing,
and I could see on a wall across

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from me, over her bed a
circle of light and in my you know,

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baby brain, I saw it as
the moon. I thought the moon

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was in my room and it was
on the wall. It's kind of strange,

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as you say that, Yeah,
that qualifies and strange. So it's

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it's it's things like that. You
know, we'recalling that memory and going,

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hey, what you know, what
was that? And you know Mom wasn't

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Mom wasn't in bed, you know, where was she? Like what happened

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after that? You know, I
don't know were being fearful? I just

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we're kind of the feeling of like, wow, look at that. The

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moon is in my you know,
in my room on the wall, you

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know, and of course there's a
baby. You know, that's not out

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of the realm of possibility. You
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you don't understand that that can't be
what that is, right, that

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that's not supposed to happen, right, right? Did your mother ever report

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anything to you that she had explosions? No, she she did it.

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You know, it's common for experiences
to have that as a trait in their

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family. You know, it's it's
thought that maybe lineages are traced in part

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of whatever the plan is, the
study or whatever is going on. But

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I don't know. I mean,
there are also other common alleys between experiences.

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A lot of times it's it's having
military in your family. Really,

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you know, that's something that comes
up quite often. Yeah, you know,

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so I have that. I Uh, when I talked to my grandmother

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about this stuff, she she got
upset with me and basically said what the

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Air Force has said, which I
find funny now. But she just just

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said, uh, those are crash
test dummies and that was yeah. But

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she was very angry about it.
And you know, uh funny. She

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was a she was a typist for
the army, and I'm talking about talking

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about I don't think she had any
any access to anything top secret. There

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was a family story about, you
know, the typist making mistakes and just

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starting over, just tossing them into
the trash, you know. So I

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doubt she was typing about anything at
Roswell or anything. It's interesting though.

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It's suspicious to me. And when
I say it's suspicious, I mean I

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don't think your grandmother was telling you
one truth but I often wonder if she

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had her own fears, if she
had her own and that's what I think,

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understand, Yeah, yeah, and
that's what I think about now,

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because you know, how would I
react if my grandson was coming to me

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with the same you know deals,
and I wasn't as comfortable with it as

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I am. Well, especially if
your grandchild is that age. Your grandson's

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not thirty, you know, your
grandson is a baby, really a talking

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and so you don't want to frighten
me. Yeah, you know, and

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I think that's I mean, that's
that's a valid response. I would think,

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you know, I think that when
when you when you talk about these

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exp I don't know if you can
answer this because you weren't really aware of

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it at the time. But do
you think that they were physical abductions?

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Like they come, they get you, they bring you out, and they

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put you back. You know.
My question with that would be, well,

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you know what if your parents walked
in the bedroom, you know what

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if you you know, they would
notice you weren't there, and then you

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were there, you know what I
mean. So I wonder how that would

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have worked back then. I don't
have any memory of being you know,

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floated out the window and walking onto
a craft. I've woken up. I've

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become aware in spaces that one would
assume is a craft, similar to what

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other people have reported being on a
flat table. I'm curious, do you

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recall it warm or cold? I
I don't. I can't. I can't

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say warm or cold. It's disorienting, you know. The most recent time,

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I, you know, I was
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table at a forty five degree angle. Really, yeah, so it's it's

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it's head up, yeah, so
that's it's uh, it's weird things like

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that. It's that are disorienting.
You know. A light source kind of

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ambient, like not coming from anywhere
exactly, you know, not not like

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something I would recognize as a lamp
right right, you know. And I've

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never really gotten a good look of
anything under me or behind me, you

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know, the detail that you hear
from some experiences that have been on these

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crafts. I don't have it.
It's just the you know, I can

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remember clearly looking at the back of
one of their heads over my shoulder,

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but like the wherever I was exactly, I couldn't couldn't. I couldn't say

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Jim do you know that as a
memory, like like you remember what you

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did yesterday or did that come through
later on in some kind of a regression.

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No, I haven't done regression,
so it's all a memory. It's

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just I remember, Yeah, I
haven't done regression. It's you know,

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regression has been uh brought up,
and I've been actually recommended to somebody local

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that you know, but I I
haven't. I'm not I'm not prepared to

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do that at this you know,
this point. It's it's a it's something

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that I admire when people can do
it and get something out of it.

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I feel like I'm doing this at
my own pace and it's it's working for

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me now. So I'm just going
to stick to that. You're where you're

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at, and to a certain extent, you probably would be reliving it,

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you know, if it was truly
a successful session. Yeah, you know,

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you might be reliving it all over
again, which you know, I

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don't know. I think that maybe
think of something when we talked about,

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you know, seeing the back of
their heads. You know, it's interesting

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that they don't well maybe they do
block out your memory. I mean I've

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heard those sorts of things too,
so that you but yeah, well you

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do. It's there's reports that they
they they can manipulate your memory and your

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perception of reality real time. They
can and appear as something completely different,

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as an animal, as a man
with a mask, as as a shadow,

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and they could. They they can
whatever they are, they can control

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your perception. So who knows what
I saw? Who knows what the back

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of this thing's head was. I
can distinctly remember the round dimples like on

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the underside of its cranium, but
I don't know what I was looking at.

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Yeah, when when Kathy Martin was
on the show, I don't know,

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a year or two ago. She
is the niece of Betty and Barney

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Hill, and of course you know
they're very famous about having that experience in

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New Hampshire, and they came back
and they're you know, Herby's dress was

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ripped. I mean she had been
through something physically, it's you know,

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they had lost all sense of time. Have you experienced anything like that where

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there's been a loss of time or
that physically you came back and something's happened

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to me physically you can tell your
clothes are ripped or you've got to you

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know, I've never had anything.
My dress has never been ripped. Well,

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that's good because you'll still have it
for Friday night. So that's what

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about that? Yeah, but I
have I have experienced missing times. It's

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weird, though, so you know, I started studying this phenomenon in my

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early twenties. You read about missing
time. It's a seems like it's a

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common factor here. So I'm aware
of it, and then I live my

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life thinking that's never happened to me. I would know, right, because

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the story usually is something like I
was somewhere and then I saw a light

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in the sky, and then all
of a sudden, it was four hours

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later and bang, missing time.
Right. I had a missing time where

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I was driving in an area that
I wasn't familiar with. I was coming

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back from a friend's lake house with
my girlfriend, and I came to at

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an exit off of the highway in
front of a Wendy's. And did I

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fall asleep? Did I? I
don't know. My girlfriend realized that the

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car had stopped, and she woke
up or popped her head up and said,

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you know, what are you doing? And I just had no idea

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where I was or how I got
there. So that's that's interesting in itself,

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and it could be it could be
a thousand things. Before it's it

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must have been an eta, So
you know before that, there was some

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strangeness that happened. So that's where
you know, when the strangeness happens and

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then that missing time event happens,
then I go back and think, well,

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maybe there's something to that strangeness.
So when I'm talking about strangeness strangeness

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mm hmm, there's there's something that's
been described as the Odds effect for experiences

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where shortly before something happens, you
have this feeling of like wow, like

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what is this like strange Wizard of
Oz type feeling happening right now? You

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know, like you're in munchkin Land. Everything's different and everything everything's different.

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Yeah, so that happened that morning. We were hiking and we were in

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the woods and all of a sudden, moths started dying and falling like raining

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out of the trees. So yeah, so that's Weirdly, that's probably a

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natural phenomenon, but it's weird weird. And then we sat at the top

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of a hill, two friends and
I, and in total silence, we

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heard a tree crack crack, crack
and then boom, a whole giant tree

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fell over and slid down the hill
beside us. So we were like,

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wow, that's crazy. You know. We made all the yeah, the

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obligatory joke of trying to figure out, well, yeah, it does make

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it sound you know, we're here. Yeah, so that's that's right.

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So that's the strangeness interesting, and
that's how it man. And then yeah,

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so it's it's not always so easy
to just say I saw the light

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in the sky and something happened,
right, But you know, and I

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think too this whole God, please
don't call the Registry of Motor Vehicles because

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what I'm going to say here,
but I feel like there have also been

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moments when I've gotten to a stop
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did I just get here? Now? Is that normal? Because I feel

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like that's normal. I feel like
I'm that can't be the only one that

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that's ever happened. It is normal
because you know, you're on autopilot,

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especially when you're driving where you've been
and it's the same highway you've been every

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day back and forth from working at
home. But uh, god, there's

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a great joke. What's his name
Stephen Right, the comedian. He said,

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he's a dead pan. He would
just have like one liners and he

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would say, you know, I've
never fallen asleep driving, but I've woken

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up driving and that happened. That's
funny because it's happened. You think you

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woke up when you're driving, So
you know, you have to weigh that

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against you're one experience of waking up
while driving to see you know what the

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context is. Yeah, a few
point times in one, but still nonetheless.

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Yeah, you know, but but
it doesn't mean it was an alien.

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It doesn't mean it was an abduction, it doesn't mean any of that.

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But in your case, you know, you have all these other pieces

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of it to sort of fall in
together. Yeah, and two, you

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know, the the UFO thing seems
to open up all sorts of paranormal activity.

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The UFO thing, it's very commonly
reported for people that are experiences of

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you know, what are perceived as
aliens or UFOs. They all have ghost

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stories, they all have orb stories, they all have poltergeist stories. It's

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so common. And I'm not the
exception that that for sure. I've had

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my fair share of that stuff.
Well, and I think you know,

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you and I have had this conversation
that you know, even though the mediumship

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has been around, I know,
you know, looking back at it,

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it's been around most of my life. But it was after I saw that

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ship in nineteen ninety five that things
change. Things changed. It was it

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was certainly I still wasn't thinking,
oh, I must be a medium,

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but but I became aware of things. The building that I owned, I

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could hear people walking up and down
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could smell things and feel things that
I hadn't and and I and I really

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feel like there was a time that
that that was the defining moment, and

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after that things started to change a
little bit for me. Yeah, it's

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a it's a it's a it's a
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the US government. The Department of
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it overlapped and general. If you've
ever heard of the Skinwalker Ranch, Oh

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yeah, So the Skinwalker Ranch is
a place that had uh a ton of

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UFO reports and the people who owned
the ranch for a while started experiencing all

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kinds of crazy stuff, seeing different
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And what they figured out is that
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So if you're within proximity of that
activity, it can attach itself somehow like

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virally and spread to you and your
family. Wow. So that that's been

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observed, it's written about. Now
your family has had experiences too, some

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of them, right, I mean, and you told me that you yeah,

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and it told them to knock it
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and I'm just yeah, on the
you know, the psychic end my

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family has has, it's more in
tune to that. You know. I

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don't know if there's a a connection
necessarily, but you could you could guess.

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Can you tell me though that when
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started to see the grays and a
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my stepdaughter, when she was very
very young, two years old, ah,

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came in to my room the next
day and told us, Uh,

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the mushrooms came into my room last
night. And you know, my wife

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is like thinking, what you know, this is a toddler just talking crazy.

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But my stomach immediately dropped because I
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To go back a little bit,
speaking of how these they can distort your

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perception of reality. You're you hear
stories about you know that they appear as

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clowns or with monkey masks, I've
heard, or as animals owls, you

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know. So to think the mushrooms
came into my room, you know what's

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what's that? It sounds like them? Yeah, So I said, well,

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what did they do? And she
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this, and uh, it's upsetting. Of course it's upsetting. So I

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had time to think about it,
and I'll say after that, she had

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one other story where she said her
lamp was looking at her. She had

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like a little kid lamp that was
like had three things with goose snacks,

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and she said they were looking at
She said that they were looking at her

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and she wouldn't like it. And
she said, I want you to get

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rid of the lamp. So we
did throughout the lamp, and then after

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that she said she had nothing.
She has no memory of this now either.

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I think, you know what,
I've gone back and thought about it.

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You know, if they're interested in
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my stepdaughter, so they were probably
checking her out, like what is this?

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Uh? I don't know, unsanctioned
breeding going on here, right right

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right, that's but that's that's that's
a that's an absolute guess. Yeah,

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did your wife at the time know
what was happening to you? Or yeah?

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I had told her about it.
She's never she's never been I'm very

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lucky and that she's always accepted everything
that I've told her. She I don't

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know if she really recognized that as
what I thought it was. I understand,

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Yeah, so it was I kept
it to myself. Yeah, probably

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a good idea. I mean that's
frightening, you know, you just you

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make everybody it is crazy because I
mean it's like, well, you're powerless

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when you're growing up and dealing with
this, and now how are you you're

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still powerless and trying to protect your
kids from mm hmm for sure, for

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sure. Yeah, it's it's hard. You know, I've heard from mouf

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On that they they do they follow
families through history and that typically if you're

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having an experience, you're probably not
the first one in your family that it's

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probably been going on for a very
long time. That's just I mean,

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I'll be honest, it preaps me
out. Yeah, it's it's frightening.

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It's absolutely frightening. Yeah, I
would love personally to do some kind of

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a regression to find out what that
ship was in nineteen ninety five. I

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don't believe that. I ever,
I don't think there was anything other than

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that. I don't feel like there
was any kind of you know, I

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don't feel like I was an abductee
or anything like that. I don't feel

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like that, you know. I
mean, who knows, but I don't

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think so. But I would love
to go back and see and feel what

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that was so that I could understand
it better. I mean, it's been

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a long time, but you've even
said you had, well, your path,

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your journey kind of blossom to opened
up after that. I have to

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look at this synchronicity there. Yeah, there's there's a government study that has

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uh, you know, biological effects
due to proximity of UFOs. So proximity.

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I mean I was close, you
know, I was on the road,

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but it doesn't mean that I was
necessarily getting the craft with them,

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do you know what I mean?
I don't. I don't know. You

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have to be in the craft,
I don't think. Yeah, I think

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just being within the general area maybe
right. I mean again, it's it's

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a commonly reported I think people say
I had the sighting and then all of

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a sudden, this strange thing starts
happening, and this strange thing starts happening.

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It's common. Is it always paranormal
in natures start happening. Yeah,

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well it's because it's the you know, paranormal is strange, right probably by

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definition. Yes, you know,
I'm not. I haven't won any lottery

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tickets. You know, I don't
have that superpower I've had, you know,

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But but I've had pre cognitive dreams
where I've seen people that I was

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close to dead and then found out
that they were they had died. You

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know. Ah, you know that's
so interesting, Jim, because it's all

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like coming back to me now as
we're talking to you. But I always

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tell these stories about how when I
was in the funeral home and I was

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in the funeral business, I would
think, this is what happened to you

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know, Mary Smith. You know, I hadn't thought about her in a

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while, and the next day I
get the call she's gone, or that

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afternoon I would get the call as
she was gone. That never happened until

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after that experience, and I really
never put I mean, this is only

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in hindsight. I sit back and
think, hmm, maybe, but it

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never happened before I would remember that. Yeah, that's the hallmark of something

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that's either pre cognitive or or even
people talk about synchronicities, which real discussions

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and synchronicities goes way over my head. It's it's it's like big brain stuff

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that I really can't wrap my head
around. But it's you know, what's

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what's an actual important coincidence and what
isn't? It's it's what context is it?

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You know, So if you haven't
thought of this person in a million

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years and then something comes up and
there's memory there and they're dead or something

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happens, that's then there's context to
it being strange, right, And it

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didn't feel pre cognitive to me.
I mean it still doesn't, you know,

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I don't think I yeah, and
I don't think it ever does I

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don't. I think you have to. It's hard to know when something is

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pre cognitive. It's hard to know
exactly because because then you could act on

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it, and it seems like we
can never really act on it. We

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Scott did youse me is everything Okay, Scott. H oh, we just

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love Scott. He'll be back.
Yeah, finally, finally we got rid

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of that guy. Now listen,
this is what's going to happen. I'm

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taking over the Paranormal Project to be
the Paranormal Project with Jim Loki Hadrian Christina

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about it. If you're lucky,
I'll keep you, we can keep going.

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I'm sure he'll pop back in.
All right, Christina, what's your

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top five Desert Island records? Oh, we could go on that. I'm

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a crazy mix of music. But
back to what you were talking. Funny,

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Yah, how often do you guys
run into technical difficulties? Now you

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you guys have a professional wrangling things, right, So you have a producer,

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you have somebody pushing buttons making sure
the show goes on. And how

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many times do you have technical difficulties
every single show? Yeah? Because well,

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because you gotta look what we talked
about. It's the it's the aliens,

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it's the poltergeist, it's maybe it's
the CIA, maybe they're maybe they're

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messing with you. But I do
have a leg to all through the house,

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so it happens. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's it's so common.

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It cracks me up every time my
good friend has a podcast, uh

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you know, on the same subject, and she laughs, it's the same

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thing that nine times out of ten, you are I never left and welcome

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back to We have our guests today, Scott Allen, take it away.

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So I need to tell you.
I was getting all kinds of weird beeps

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and sounds and like static white noised
out. Now, look, I still

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can't hear you through these things.
Now I can take them off. I

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hear you from the computer even though
it's connected. But all all I could

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hear was like weird electronic notes,
sounds and white noise. And I take

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myself out because I thought you could
hear it. And Chanel said no,

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everything was fine on her, and
so it was just coming to me.

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I know, still wonky stuff.
You know, the energy sometimes around me

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is a little bit crazy, and
that sometimes will happen. That's never happened,

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but that's what we were just discussing. Scott. Yeah, and I

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don't even think I can hear you. I can hear you through the through

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the computer. It won't go back
to my thing right now. I don't

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know what happens, you know,
it was just kind of weird, and

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I was afraid that that's all you
could hear that nobody could hear you.

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But but nobody else heard it except
me, which is really odd. So

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Nope, that was just you.
That was just me, all right,

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but you jumped out. Remember I'm
Ed McMahon and you're Johnny Carson. Ed

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doesn't carry the show. Ed doesn't
carry the show well, but Ed would

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try dropped Edward try. Yeah,
that was very strange. That's that's all

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right, But you know, you
got a point when we we've had our

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fair share of these kinds of just
weird technical glitches, and it certain guests

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just seem to bring it out even
more. Whenever we have anyone on who's

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a little intuitive that's in tune,
I would say in tune, you know,

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yeah, it's just kind of like
it'll sometimes do things and you don't

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look for nothing. And I'm not
gonna say that everything is paranormal, because

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we all know it's not right.
But you have a galactic group of friends,

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let's just put it that way,
and you know they probably know you're

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here. Yeah, I would say
they pay attention, especially when you talk

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about them. Yeah, and it's
it's either them or the CIA guy that's

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assigned to me. So you never
know. I mean, I told I

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don't know if I told you Jim
when we were in Scotland. I was

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in Scotland a year and a half
ago and we were a where there's a

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lot of these things, and we
saw the black helicopters with people dressed in

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suits and unmarked and then a black
car came up, all tinted windows with

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two people dressed in suits, the
men in black. I mean, it

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was like they came up, they
spun around and it was left. Yeah,

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that area, did you say it
was bonnie Bridge, Scotland. Bonnie

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Bridge was that was? Yeah,
that's that's a hot spot. There's a

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lot of spot. Yeah, it's
a UFO hotspot. And I believe that

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the one of the lines, the
energy lines, the lay lines in that

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area. Yeah, so there's a
Yeah, there's the history of strangest in

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that area, you know, goes
back to the Aliens, that of yesteryear

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fairies. Well okay, so let
me let me just share that because I

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know we're talking about this kind of
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in the sky at bonnie Bridge.
That's when we saw the two black helicopters.

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They were open on the side where
people looking down. They came and

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they went, they were flying really
low. We went down the hill and

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00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,719
around the corner there's this little cave
where the fairies are. And that's what

407
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,320
made me think of it when you
said that. Now, interestingly enough,

408
00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:52,000
you have to climb down and into
this area where there is this this cave.

409
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,760
People leave offerings for the fairies.
That's kind of a big thing.

410
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:02,840
And I was taking pictures throughout with
my iPhone, right and then I looked

411
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,360
through the pictures after one, two, three, four, and then there

412
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:12,320
was one that was upside down.
Now, it's impossible to take an upside

413
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:19,760
down photo with your iPhone because it
spins around. It spins around, so

414
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,840
that was odd in and of itself. It came out of the cave and

415
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:30,440
we were up waiting. There was
a little parking area and this black suv

416
00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:34,119
came in, like I said,
tinted windows. Two people dressed in black

417
00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:39,280
suits literally came in, spun right
around and right back out again. And

418
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,960
we're in the middle of nowhere,
I mean nowhere. I don't know where

419
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:49,280
these people came from or how they
found us, but you know, the

420
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,440
men in black. Is that a
thing? Maybe? I don't assure what

421
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:57,000
it looked like to me? Was
it? Government enough people have reported that,

422
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:04,440
you know. And to add to
it the fairy lore, there's a

423
00:41:04,559 --> 00:41:16,599
famous researcher named Jacques Valet. Okay, he's a venture capitalist. He brilliant.

424
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:22,119
I think he had something to do
with creating the Internet back in the

425
00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:27,679
day. He's a brilliant guy.
The film Close Encounters of the Third Kind,

426
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:35,079
remember the French scientist that is there
in the movie. It's based on

427
00:41:35,199 --> 00:41:42,559
him. That character was based on
Jacques Vallet. He has numerous books kind

428
00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:50,440
of delving into that old folklore angle
of what we're seeing today and that it's

429
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:59,159
somehow connected. Wow, fascinating.
It's a lot we don't know. Like

430
00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:00,599
I said earlier, you have to
approach. I mean, if you're in

431
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:07,280
you can't just assume that just because
you can't see it or experience it yourself,

432
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:13,239
that it isn't real. Right,
So, Jim, I don't know

433
00:42:13,519 --> 00:42:15,800
a lot we don't know. Dan, Yeah, I don't know about I

434
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,800
mean, I love my fairies,
so I would I would be hurt to

435
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,360
think that they weren't really fairies.
Yeah, but how did they behave,

436
00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:34,400
they were mischievous, they would take
children, right, Yeah, think of

437
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,400
it that way. There's there there's
a lot we don't don't know. I

438
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:45,239
mean, and this is another Jacques
Vlet quote, he'd be really disappointed if

439
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:51,880
it turned out that this was just
little green men coming from another solar system,

440
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:57,000
you know. And I don't concur
I don't. I don't think that's

441
00:42:57,039 --> 00:43:02,239
what we're experiencing. I think it's
something much stranger and much weirder and harder

442
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:08,239
to wrapper heights around. I come
from the school with thought that as human

443
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:15,239
beings, it's awful conceited of us
to think that we are it, that

444
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:22,280
there's nothing else, and that falls
right in line with everything that you've talked

445
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,719
about. Right. It just blows
your mind. I mean it makes you

446
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:34,960
question, Yeah, your very belief
system. It's it's it's exactly that.

447
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:42,239
It just it blows your mind,
right, right. But there's so much

448
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,239
that blows my mind. I mean, even when I do blows my mind,

449
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:50,599
and what's going on with you blows
my mind. You still, to

450
00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:58,159
this day experience these these episodes,
do you not? Yeah? Yeah,

451
00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:00,320
you know it's evolved. You know. As a it was very frightening.

452
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:10,239
It was very I was feeling a
powerlessness and fear. I've I've you know,

453
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:21,320
found a great community of experiencers online
that have been a great resource in

454
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:34,320
just contextualizing my experiences. People have
even shared ways of protecting yourself different you

455
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:40,840
know, protection rituals or states of
mind. Ah, just you know,

456
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,199
as simple as there was a guy
I was talking to in a support group

457
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:52,679
who just said, well, have
you have you tried saying f off?

458
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:59,599
I was like, you could do
that. You could just say well,

459
00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:07,840
f off, really, and yeah
you can't? You you can. You

460
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:16,800
could take power back for yourself.
You have sovereignty over yourself. And once

461
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:25,280
you realize that, it's much different. When I have had recent experiences,

462
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:37,119
I think I'm actually getting something out
of them and not just being afraid and

463
00:45:37,519 --> 00:45:44,199
bad memories. Are you still afraid
when it happens? I don't know,

464
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:52,480
because at the state of fear,
I'm not I'm not there. You know,

465
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,039
the last one I remember, well, the second to last one I

466
00:45:55,079 --> 00:46:00,199
remember I wasn't you know, oh, hey, how's it been and how

467
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:09,079
you doing? But I was calm. I was just neutral, and you

468
00:46:09,079 --> 00:46:14,800
know, I kind of felt like
a willing participant in the way that you

469
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:21,400
know, a good cat behaves at
the vetered aarian's office. Gotcha, that

470
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,639
makes perfect sense? Yeah, yeah, and uh, and it may just

471
00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:29,480
be because of you know, like
the cat. I know, I'm not

472
00:46:29,559 --> 00:46:35,000
gonna have my hands chopped off.
I'm gonna I just need to be said.

473
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,159
I'm gonna get be put back in
the towel and it's gonna be fine.

474
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:43,519
So somewhere, somewhere, deep down, I probably have gotten to that

475
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:49,320
point. Yeah. Do you know
why? Why? You? Probably not?

476
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:52,719
No, I you know, that's
the big question. Why me?

477
00:46:54,320 --> 00:47:00,239
What's going on? Who are they? Right? All these crazy questions that

478
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:05,280
I don't think we'll ever have the
answer to. I certainly don't have those

479
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:14,079
answers at all. So I've stopped
asking those questions, and I rather question

480
00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:21,480
how have I changed? What,
what have I done? How has the

481
00:47:21,559 --> 00:47:32,639
experience affected me? In that way? So I see myself over time evolving

482
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:43,960
into a more peaceful, content complete
human. You know, I didn't grow

483
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:50,079
up around anything hippie New Age whatsoever. I grew up in a very conservative

484
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:59,920
material family. And like, I've
just done a complete one eighty and too

485
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:04,760
in that regards. You know,
it's ah, well, you know there's

486
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,599
more I've never had. I've never
had them tell me to be good to

487
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:12,639
the planet. I've never had those
experiences. But that's how I feel.

488
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:20,400
I've I I want to be a
vegan, I want to take to take

489
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,519
care of all animals. I don't
kill bugs in my house like that's you

490
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:30,920
know, it sounds silly, but
it's it's actually it's I've become spiritual.

491
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:42,000
I love that. Yeah, I've
become spiritual. I have a different worldview

492
00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:49,159
than I think I could have ever
had without these experiences. You know.

493
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,400
Oh, I'm sorry, Tom,
I was going to say maybe that,

494
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,880
you know, so that's maybe that's
the idea. Maybe that's the whole point

495
00:48:57,119 --> 00:49:01,119
of this. Do you know when
it's going to come? Do you have

496
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:07,119
a sense of it before it happens
or is it just a complete Yeah,

497
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,960
it's like I'm on. I call
it being on and off. And when

498
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:21,719
I'm off mm hmmm, I'm I
know nothing's going to happen, but when

499
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:28,440
I'm on, I don't know when
it's going to happen, but all of

500
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:34,559
the little weird things happen. Mm
hm. And how are you now?

501
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,719
I'm off, I'm off. I'm
off, But as I say that,

502
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,440
I kind of got chills up.
You know. It's like, don't be

503
00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:47,440
don't be so sure, you know, but yeah, it it it.

504
00:49:47,559 --> 00:49:52,800
There's periods of quiet, and uh, I've been in a period of quiet.

505
00:49:53,480 --> 00:50:00,880
I think they're giving me a chance
to two h recover from a you

506
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,719
know, I had a We talked
about this earlier. I had a stroke

507
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:13,320
this year, and I think I'm
in a peaceful little area here. I

508
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:20,320
think they're they're they're they're letting me
just recover well. On that note,

509
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,880
and that's that's a that's a good
thing, and I'm glad to see you

510
00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:27,800
doing better. On that note,
we have come to just about the end

511
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,960
of this hour with you, and
it always does go by quickly. I

512
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:37,280
want to tell people you are.
What your podcast is is what's the name

513
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:44,119
of it, The clueless Experience?
Why do I have trouble experience? That's

514
00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:49,800
how I felt. I couldn't think
of another word that meant clueless that didn't

515
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:57,400
sound stupid, right, the stupid
experience there. But it's crueless because I

516
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,440
really don't know what's going on.
I am not going to to say this

517
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,079
is what's happening this is who's doing
it. I don't know. That's how

518
00:51:04,119 --> 00:51:07,320
we know you're you're legit, That's
how we know you're real because you don't

519
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:14,639
have all these check out the Clueless
experience or is it everywhere? That podcast?

520
00:51:15,079 --> 00:51:17,400
I know you've been on a high
of your illness and that kind of

521
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,280
thing. But yeah, it's kind
of off both for now, but I'm

522
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,639
ready to jump off again. That's
great. This December experience, that's fantastic.

523
00:51:25,679 --> 00:51:30,320
And you know, and where can
we catch that? Oh, Spotify,

524
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:37,159
Apple podcasts, all the anywhere we
listen to podcasts. Good And we

525
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,599
talked about me being a guest on
your show, which I would love to

526
00:51:40,679 --> 00:51:45,239
do. And so hopefully, you
know, we'll be sharing this with our

527
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,639
audience and letting people know when I'll
be there. So I want to thank

528
00:51:47,679 --> 00:51:52,320
you for being here and sharing all
of your personal stories with us, because

529
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:58,400
they really are and it brings a
lot out of you to be able to

530
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:04,559
share things like this. I want
to remind Everyoneday that next week we will

531
00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:08,519
not be live. We will be
airing a rerun next show because well we're

532
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:12,920
all going to be cooking next Wednesday
night, getting ready for the big day

533
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,599
on Thursday, So next week is
not a live show, but I do

534
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:23,800
think Christina that our show the week
after is all about magic, magic with

535
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:30,719
you know who, because she is
a card carrying, broom riding, cauldron

536
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:39,320
stirring witch and yeah, and she
makes her own teas and all of these

537
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:43,639
kinds of things. So we're going
to be talking about magic in two weeks.

538
00:52:44,039 --> 00:52:46,840
But in the meantime, I want
to wish everyone a very very very

539
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:53,360
happy and healthy Thanksgiving and kickoff to
the holiday season, because it seems like

540
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:58,039
once that everything just goes bing bing
bing, and then it's January. So

541
00:52:58,519 --> 00:53:04,480
I for sharing with us this year
and this season. I do want to

542
00:53:04,519 --> 00:53:07,679
remind everyone too December seventh, if
you're in Massachusetts, I'm going to be

543
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:17,280
doing a live gallery demonstration at Merrill's
on the Waterfront in New Bedford with spirit

544
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:22,239
medium Karen Tatro, and those tickets
are still on sale. We do have

545
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:27,480
tickets available. We can go to
my website at Mediumscottallen dot com. It's

546
00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:31,960
a L L A N and grab
your tickets for December seventh, which is

547
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:36,800
a Thursday night at seven o'clock.
If you're here in Massachusetts or in the

548
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,960
area in Rhode Island. I would
love to see you there and again,

549
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,199
Christina, thank you for sharing the
show with me and Jim. It's been

550
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:50,159
an absolute pleasure, so thanks,
thank you so much. Jam. Good

551
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:54,239
night, everyone, have a wonderful
week and we'll see you in two weeks.

552
00:53:55,000 --> 00:54:00,519
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553
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:12,039
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554
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555
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