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moment on a friar's day. Now, I haven't been doing too many live

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single day something happened. Now,
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shows have not gone on all week. I had, you know, look,

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had some cancelations. People got mixed
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that is what it is. It
is Friar's Day, and I don't

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have a lot on my mind today. I mean, we could talk about

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the death of OJ Simpson. We
could talk about the reunion of No Doubt

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at Kelchella if you like. Uh, sometimes we get into music discussions here.

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We could talk about whatever's on your
mind. You want to talk about

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how the world's about to end?
Why not other things from the trumpet sphere.

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Whatever you like, Let's go for
it. The weird video that Marjorie

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Taylor Green put up of her workout. Was it last week or this week?

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I don't even remember. Does it
matter? Is there any new dog

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bites from the Biden Dogs? Does
Biden know where he is today? Did

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he make an announcement? Am I
losing my mind? Is Trump complaining?

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What's going on with the indictments?
I don't know. We could talk about

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any of that, although I'm kind
of sick of the politics. But eh,

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it's not up to me. It's
up to you three one nine five

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two seven five zero one six or
send me a message charlest o'celly on Skype

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and I can call you into the
show. Last week, no B Pete.

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This week, I've got him,
although he's live from a remote location

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in parts unknown at the moment,
but with a pretty good signal. Be

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Pete, my co host, My
brother, how you doing tonight? Uh?

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Oh? Did I lose him already? Let me check. B Pete

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appears to be there. Let's see. Could he have been called away?

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If you're speaking, be Pete,
we're not hearing you, all right?

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Well, anyway, I know I
have callers probably already. We'll go and

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check the phone lines real quick and
see if Ppete can straighten out a sound

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issue. I did want to give
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brother, man, we're not hearing
you. I don't know if you're aware.

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Anyway, I'll type him a message
and while I'm at it, it

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looks like I've got a wireless call, so let's just take it and see

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what's on their mind. You are
live on the air. I can't quite

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get through to b Pete, but
I think I've got you connected, unless

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there's something wrong there. How you
doing, I'm good. How are you

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tonight, sir? Doing good?
Doing good? So what's on your mind?

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I'm just wondering what you may have
heard over the years about OJ.

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I don't know if there's a really
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apparently people have written about it where
he may have taken the fall. I

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don't personally believe that this is the
case, but there was a theory that

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was going out there about how OJ
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his son. I don't know if
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the other thing I wanted to know
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chase went on a little bit longer, if OJ may have actually taken himself

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out in the back of the Bronco, or if things would have just one

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exactly as history went down. Well
in conspiracy culture, I might be a

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weirdo because I was asked about this
the other day on somebody Else's podcast,

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and you know what, We're not
on AM and FM anymore. And I'm

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usually very polite during my regular shows, but what the hell this is a

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loose thing on Fridays, I said
bluntly. I mean, I pretty much

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figure OJ did that shit. I
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that it's a clear It's never a
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murder that is a crime of passion, that usually has you know, twisted

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motivations, and there's lots of wild
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crystal clear except one thing. Almost
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there's a woman killed, almost always
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the husband, the ex husband.
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that unfairly, but that's because nine
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Either a guy who was with her
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is whe her wants to get rid
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wanted to be with her or never
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a woman gets killed by. So
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I don't know, it's it's it's
weird. I have friends even that you

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know, think that this is much
about OJ's son, probably having done it

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for different reasons. Uh, what's
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I think? Is that the kid's
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Sidney's the daughter. Okay, who
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B Pete? Now, by the
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on the line. I don't know
what was going on with the sound there,

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but pe Pete. Who is what
is the Uh? I I forget

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oj son's name, But Sidney is
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Hold on looking it up right now? Yeah, let's look that up

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because you know, yeah, Sidney
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Okay, that makes sense. Justin
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time of the murder. That he
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daughter. The other one's name.
Oh god, let's see. He had

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five kids. He had Let's see, Wow, I did not really,

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I mean, something registers weird to
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Uh, but okay, I believe
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wrote a book called If I Did
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the consideration Oh yeah, I was
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entertaining part of this is the whole
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right. And also he was you
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suit. But again, a wrongful
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of evidence required to convict somebody as
a criminal case, et cetera, et

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cetera. But I mean, realistically, I watched a lot of that trial,

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and I find it hard to believe
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else would have could have done it. I mean, there's some weird stuff

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there. And here's the sad part
too, is that the LAPD, you

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know, being corrupt planting evidence also
one hundred percent believable. It's not like,

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you know, oh, how dare
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who figures, you know, if
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telling me the l A p D
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immediately leaped to suspicion, uh just
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Mark Mark Firman, Mark Furrman didn't
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Well Furman wasn't helpful. But I
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of it, really. I mean, to me, the track record of

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the LAPD is way worse than the
one guy saying the N word, you

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know, I mean, it's just
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RFK. What else do you want
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what I mean? Uh? Yeah, So it looks like Jason Justin are

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the two boys? Is that right? Jason and Justin? Yeah, Jason.

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Jason is the oldest one. That's
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wife, and Justin is younger than
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Simpson Arnell. Yeah, yeah,
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marriage. So Jason is the one. He was working as a chef at

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the time, had been working at
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years. But it's my understanding that
what all this came out, somebody checked

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Jason's alibi, and I thought that
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putting him at the murder scene would
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and then there's also the problem with
I think it's Jeez, which one of

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the medical examiners that I've seen,
the medical examiner, you know what I

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saw this medical examiner give a presentation
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three, and why am I having
trouble remembering which Asian forensic examiner he was?

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But he was involved in this.
He turns around and says, oh,

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this looks like bloody footprints, and
the bloody footprints don't make sense if

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you're thinking it's OJ because he was
looking at no, no, no,

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no, no, an Asian guy. Yeah, Henry Lee. There you

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go. It's Henry Lee and his
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photographs, you know, kind of
knocked me backwards. Now, Henry Lee

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made some weird assertions about the JFK
case, but then admittedly had to say,

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look, all I got was copies
of copies of stuff. So I

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don't know what to tell you.
But he was part of the part of

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one of the review board projects to
take a second look at the forensic evidence,

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and he's looking at copies of copies
of stuff. They didn't I don't

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even think they brought him in to
see the you know, the official autopsy

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records at the National Archives. And
that was another weird episode. And that's

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what he was presenting on at the
WET conference. In two thousand and three,

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is that he was talking about,
Well, what I looked at it

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looked like this, it looked like
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a time understanding what Henry Lee was
talking about. Quite honestly, his English

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is broken. I mean, I'm
not saying that he's stupid or anything,

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but he makes some pretty odd assertions
regarding some of this forensic evidence that he

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gets a look at. And usually
he's only looking at the photos, the

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secondhand stuff. He never, you
know, whenever you see him taking a

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second look at stuff, it's always
weird. And he's one of the guys

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that people that believe that there was
something else going on outside of OJ being

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guilty. He's one of the primary
guys that people bring up, Hey,

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this guy said that there's at least
like two people trapesing through the blood or

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something like that. I mean,
it's a whole twisted story, obviously.

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And I gotta tell you what Chuck
did. Did he bring up the idea

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that there was another a knife found
at the in the cement or something in

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the foundation like out the years after
the back, because I think that's now

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fun that conspiracy. Now what happened
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Somebody was doing some landscaping or something. I think it was the yard next

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door, but it was within a
few feet of the property or something.

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Anyway, they found a knife while
they were doing this landscaping. They sent

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it in the friendsy guys looked at
it and said, no, this isn't

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the knife that did it. The
case for the knife that OJ bought right

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before he left to go out of
town. They never found the knife,

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but they found the box for the
knife, and they say that based on

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that model a knife, it fits
the wounds. So you know this,

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there's a guy named Deal, an
investigator name. I think it's Ron Deal.

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He's the one that's pushing this theory
that it was probably OJ's son and

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OJ was just covering it for him. But it was kind of hard to

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explain the cut on his finger and
all, and supposedly that happened by dropping

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glass in a hotel room sink crap. You know, I think that personally,

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I think the guy did it.
He got away with it. And

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in fact, I heard an article
a day on the radio where they said

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that gil Garcetti as the DA had
had pushed one for change of venue because

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he knew in Brentwood it'd be all
white people sitting on a jury. So

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that's why he asked to have the
venue changed to LA because he knew downtown

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LA he was going to be pulling
from a jury of blacks. And there

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was a couple of other things he
did when it came to the trial and

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processing and things like that. It
was basically trying to help OJ out.

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You know, they wanted to put
him on trial, but he's famous,

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he's rich, he knows everybody in
LA, he's connected. He didn't think

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his chances that convicting him were that
good. So I think he just tried

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to minimize his effort and move the
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black Jerry to pick from. Right, And I know people were still getting

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over the Rodney King crap when this
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know I'm a weirdo and all that, right, And so you know,

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my barometer on the social standing of
people and popularity and stuff usually don't go

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by me when it comes to you
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in modern or popular culture, because
I'm usually like not in step. But

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it's strange to me because to me, OJ was famous, you know,

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fifteen years before this happened. He
was a big name then and was no

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longer a big name. I mean
to me, oj was like a C

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level, B level celebrity at best
when this happened. He's a coach in

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the Naked Gun movie, right,
I mean, you're you're in the Naked

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Gun movies. Okay, name me
three other actors outside of you know,

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the main guy from the Naked Gun. Most people can't, except they'll tell

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you that, you know, Priscilla
Presley was in on it or whatever.

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you probably couldn't tell me the other regulars

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in that movie outside of what Leslie
Nielsen, who is the main guy?

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that's not exactly a lister work.
I mean, what was He also in

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The Towering Inferno a couple other things. He was in the Hurt He was

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in the Hurts rent a Car commercial. Okay, so the Hurts rent a

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Car I mean, h okay,
fine, he's the Hurts rent a car

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guy. He's running through airports,
and he was a football announcer for a

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little bit. But I don't even
think they let him do that regularly did

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they did they give him a regular
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he just kind of an occasional like, you know, hey, we have

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star player former star player Ojarons a
thing. He did color I think one

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year for for ABC. But he
was also you know, big in the

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you know Membory, the Battle of
the Network Stars, Okay, you know

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the sitcom people and all that.
He was connected with that for a while.

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Now his star had pretty much faded. He wasn't doing a lot of

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work. He was just living off
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getting from the work that he did
do. Nobody was using them for advertising

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and that he was in fact,
he was kind of I wouldn't say feeble,

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but at that point in his life
his arthritis and his knees had really

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affected what he could do. Well. Yeah, that was really tough for

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him to even play around of golf. That's what I was hearing about.

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being swollen up, and you know, which is clearly something that looks like

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rumored. Look, a lot of
arguments were made on all sides of this,

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right, But at the end of
the day, help, Well,

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you got to realize during the trial, he's dumping salt on a lot of

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that that his gnarled knuckles and everything. A lot of that was just retaining

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water from where he'd pump up on
salt for trial day. You know,

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yeah, maybe that jail food's kind
of rough for you, but there you

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go. I mean, when you're
not eating partial sawdust on you on your

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plate, you know, if you're
lucky, the bologney sandwich ain't moldy,

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right, But I mean, look, it's the way it is. I

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get it, but I just never
I didn't think of oj as the big

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star. And that was the thing
that killed me, is that, like

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this actually raised his level of stardom, but then he's toxic and it made

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all these other people's stars, like
lansdo these celebrity golf tournaments and things like

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that. You know, he participated
in those. He might make you know,

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he might make five hundred bucks a
weekend to show up at a golf

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tournament or something like that. So
yeah, but it's like for we had

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income, he was doing well,
but he was he was kind of forgotten

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about to be honest, he was
out of the limelight for so long that

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when the news broke, people are
going, O J. Simpson, you

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gotta be kidding me, okay,
right, And that's the other weird thing

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is like he was almost at that
point like some former boxers get to where

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it's like, yeah, they're there
to open up a casino, and you

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got to go look up somewhere,
ask your friend who really knows boxing,

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who the hell this guy is,
and it's like, oh, yeah,

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he fought you know, Larry Holmes
once in seventy eight, and it's like,

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oh, okay, so this guy
fought for the heavyweight hit so former

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heavyweight contender, you know, Joe
Colliglia, and you're like, who the

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hell is this guy? And he's
there to like shake hands at a casino.

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I figured OJ was at about that
level in ninety four, and I

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was, you know, I was
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I remember including him as a joke
on the flyers that I was putting out,

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because we used to put like,
you know, different weird clips of

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things and just kind of paste them
to the flyers, kind of punk rock

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looking, and I remember it was
like, here, here's a bunch of

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I put like Jeffrey Dahmer's face up
there because it wasn't too long that guy

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died, so he's dead and he
killed somebody, he killed people off and

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I put like Charles Manson's picture up
on a flyer and stuff like this,

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like to evoke all this weird heavy
metal stuff like here's a bunch of people

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that were involved in killings and also
OJ, and I put OJ's head on

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that flyer along with right, but
also come to our show, you don't

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know. Yeah, And I remember
doing that, And that was before the

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trial was over. And uh,
I was running a record company in New

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York, and I spent a lot
of time sitting around in the office doing

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paperwork. And what did I have
was the the trial on all day while

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I was doing that, you know, not saying that, I was like

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absolutely glued to it, like,
oh my god, I gotta find out

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what's going on with OJ. But
it was something, you know, consistent

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to keep my routines running. And
yeah, So there were a lot of

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people that got there, let's say
their start, not their start, but

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like Chris Matthews, okay, he
was what he worked for, tip O'Neil

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for years and years and years.
Yeah, and suddenly when the oj say

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happened, Chris Matthews started his show
and he was covering the trial just like

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everybody else. And you know,
it was it was wall to wall coverage

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of the trial day night for the
whole time that it went on. And

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then Court TV really picked up about
that time. Yeah, courtiers there.

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It boosted them into the spotlight and
they've been you know, they went off

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the air for a while and just
came back on about three years ago.

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into something called True TV for a
while. Yeah, and now they Julie

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Grant who's on court TV now.
She was a local newscaster in Winston Salem

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High Point area when I was living
in Lexington, and she was on the

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local news every night. And I
remember when they announced this was what four

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years ago, that she'd be leaving
and she was going back to court TV,

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some time. It was when they
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ago, maybe five years ago,
and it gave another she left to go

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back to that, Yeah, and
it gave another hell of a springboard to

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the lady with one of the weirdest
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Nancy Grace. What the hell is
wrong with her head? I keep asking,

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you know, Nancy Grace got a
huge lift I think from OJ right

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like people were tuned into here.
Definitely her post court room analysis, her

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big thing after the OJ. She
kind of came along at the tail end

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of the OJ stuff. But her
big thing was the Peterson trial out there

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in California, Oh, Lacy Peterson, when she ended up missing after the

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husband, big time, Scott Peterson. And then there was another case here

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just a few years ago where Nancy
Grace was just excoriating this guy. He

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ends up being found not guilty,
and so her star just started plumbing in

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right then. You know, people
were trashing her. You know you were

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you were talking crap about this guy
for the whole length of a trial and

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then come to find out he's innocent. And uh so she's kind of she's

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shot to the top. Now she's
on her way back down. I don't

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know what network she's tied in with
now. Uh but when I she's one

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of those I see her on the
screen, I either cut it off or

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turn a channel. I just can't
stand the list. And it wasn't the

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one who's definitely gotten too much botox. Van Sustran wasn't. She also kind

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of facelift. Her face pulled so
tight. I bet her belly Betton is

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up in her cleavage. Now,
Oh, it does not look right anymore.

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while. I mean, I'm thinking

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that her pubic care is about ready
to become a goateee. It was pulled

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so tight, man, it's it's
rough. And that was bred of an

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Sustran. She but loot she was
what program? I can't remember the program

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she was on when she had it
done. I bet you five bucks.

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I saw. I thought, well, they've got a new lust. I

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bet you five bucks. Greta Van
Susher and I thought, if she blinks,

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her face is gonna crack, right, But I bet you five bucks.

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There's some botox involved in that disaster
too. I mean, I can

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guarantee it. Yeah, probably to
even things out. I don't you know,

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you'd almost have to bow talk some
spots, because when you pull anything

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that tight, you're gonna get in
irregularity in the surface. Somewhere, but

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it doesn't look right anymore. Like
I'm not sure she can properly have full

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movement of her mouth any longer.
I mean, it's weird. I thought,

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who is this light haired Asian that
they hired? And then I looked

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at it and I thought, no, that can't be her. I mean

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they had her face pulled so tight. I thought my TV screen was warped.

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It did appear to change your ethnicity
the tightness of the facelift. This

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is true, yes, yeah,
almost, yeah. I mean like,

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but she you know, and she
was like not horrible looking to be getting

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like. She wasn't like, oh
my god, please go fix your face

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to begin with. I mean,
she wasn't a pretty lady. She was

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Okay, I don't understand. She
didn't look that old. No, I

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didn't think that she need it wasn't
showing her hate or anything. And I'm

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thinking when she came back on with
a face, and I thought, I

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don't know who the hell talked her
into that, but they should seriously consider

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putting that person in jail. Yeah, you got to fire that PR person

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if somebody talked her into that,
because you do. I couldn't believe it.

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She got to go. I mean, you know, you look look

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at all the people that back when
OJ went on. I mean, it

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was the trial of the century.
And I remember I was working for Department

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of Transportation when the verdict came in, and we happened to be in the

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office that day and had the TV
on when it came in, and just

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for the next month the talk and
some of the things that people were saying.

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And I'm just going, you know, you couldn't have watched this trial

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if you come out with that attitude, if you if you've got that opinion

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on how things went, you didn't
pay attention to this thing. And I'm

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putting I'm putting our first caller on
hold because we got a couple more and

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I want to get around to everybody, and I'll get back around to you

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call her number one as soon as
as soon as they can. But yeah,

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no, I wanted to hear from
you on the OJ thing anyway,

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So he set it up nicely for
us to go go for it, and

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we got another If you don't mind, unless you want to, you want

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to get into some other aspects of
this, because in recent years OJ kind

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of became a very short lived phenomena
on Twitter. And the funny thing is

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you notice Elon Musk even you know, before the transition to Elon Musk.

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It's not like he came on with
Musk, right, He was on there

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before Musk got it and then just
had no impact after Well, like it

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was a big deal, Oh my
god, OJ's going to be on Twitter.

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And he started doing short videos of
like hey, I'm enjoying my golf

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game and like mundane stuff, and
people are like, oh my god,

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how dare Oj be on Twitter?
And I'm like, well, the guy

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served his time for the one thing. He's supposed to be making payments for

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his you know, civil settlement,
and he was acquitted on the other.

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I mean, it's not like you
can say, oh, you know what,

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what is Twitter's supposed to ban him? You believe in Freeze Beach,

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but not for that guy because he
got away with murder. Sorry, he

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surprised a lot of people and then
he ja, like you said, he

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just flamed out so quick. It
was like, well he's on Twitter,

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but he's not doing any Yeah,
nobody cared. What was all the he

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was all the hullabaloo about. He
had his little hardcore following and he kept

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that all the way and as a
matter of fact, only like maybe a

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week or two ago, or maybe
it was last month, he was still

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posting stuff. A matter of fact, when somebody, uh said something in

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the media about him, I forget
maybe he was they were saying he was

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already on hospice because he was dying. Uh. He put out a picture

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of himself or a video of himself, like sitting in his car, going

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does this look like hospice to you? You know, like trying to say,

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hey, the media is always lying
about me. Uh. Somebody had

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a story out there yesterday that the
nurses and all that were hired to help

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him at home these last few months, they were all required to sign non

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disclosure agreements. And I'm wondering if
that's because, you know, in some

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fit of delirium where they worried he
was going to blurt out that he did

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it, and some nurse go and
sell the story to the inquirer. And

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but that's weird though I've never heard
of that before. You're hired health help

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having to sign an NDA to be
able to work there. But you know,

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it's funny. I'm trying to still
figure out after all these years what

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it was that made him think that
the killer of his wife played golf,

408
00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:29.759
because you know, he said he
was going to track down the killers,

409
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:33.119
and the only damned place I think
he's looked is on a golf course,

410
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:37.240
many a golf course. So when
he was breaking into a hotel room full

411
00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:40.640
of memorabilia that he said was stolen
from him, and he ends up going

412
00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:42.839
to jail over it. See,
now there's a sad thing because as I

413
00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:45.559
looked at that case, to be
honest with you, of course, you

414
00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:52.440
know backwards ask you know, convictions. What else is new in America?

415
00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:57.720
Welcome to the United States post nineteen
hundred. I guess because to me that

416
00:28:57.799 --> 00:29:02.839
whole thing with the hotel room where
they got him on the kidnapping and what

417
00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:07.519
was it a false imprisonment or whatever
else they got him on, Yeah,

418
00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:14.839
kidnapping, false imprisonment, assault with
a weapon, and then I think the

419
00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:18.559
larceny of the goods. Yeah,
to me, it looked like, honestly,

420
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:21.559
the guy felt like these guys robbed
him and he was going to try

421
00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:26.400
and get his property back and it
didn't need to escalate to this point where

422
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:30.319
these kind of charges got pressed.
Well, all he had to do was

423
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:33.759
go to the damn hotel lobby and
call the police department and go, hey,

424
00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:37.960
these guys in room four thirty six
have got my stolen property. Yeah.

425
00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:41.960
Now the cops would have gotten in
there. He may not have gotten

426
00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:45.559
anything to leave, but at least
the property would have been seized as evidence

427
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:48.440
and they'd have gone to court and
he could have got his stuff back.

428
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:52.000
Yeah. But okay, two things. One, it probably would have immediately

429
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:56.519
needed to be liquidated to help satisfy
the Goldman family, you know, for

430
00:29:57.000 --> 00:30:02.839
that verdict against him. I heard
he still owes them a hundred million probably,

431
00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:06.440
but his state still owes him.
Well, but what's left in the

432
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:08.119
estate, if there is anything left, right, I guess if there's an

433
00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:12.319
insurance claim, the kids will have
to get enough to bury him and and

434
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:15.880
that'll be that. I don't know. I don't know how that all is

435
00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:18.359
going to wind up panning out.
But to me, honestly, there I

436
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:25.319
felt like oj was wrongly convicted a
way too high a level of crime in

437
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:27.480
that case. You know, on
the one hand, no, if you

438
00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:32.160
go bust it into a hotel room
with a gun and you start threatening people,

439
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:36.680
I well, I think he got
the sentence he got because it was

440
00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:38.599
OJ. Well, yeah, exactly. I think if it was somebody else

441
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:41.920
who did it, it wouldn't have
been necessary to prosecute him like that one

442
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:45.279
too. He just kind of grabbed
another guy. I don't even know if

443
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:48.440
he had the gun because that was
a point of contention at one point,

444
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:53.720
and I mean it was just such
a crazy spur of the moment thing that

445
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:56.920
it was like, you know,
like I don't know, it just didn't

446
00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.680
seem to require that. But I
I think somebody said, this is OJ,

447
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:06.000
he got away with murder before we're
gonna get him this time. I

448
00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:10.519
really do feel that way about the
whole Vegas thing. But he went to

449
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:14.000
prison for it, served his time, came out right, I mean,

450
00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:17.480
you know, I served nine years. He didn't do a total time.

451
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:21.079
Well, but who does, right, I mean, does anybody actually serve

452
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:23.960
the entire time? Very few people. It seems like to me there's always

453
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:27.680
a way to whittle it down at
least a little bit, somehow good behavior

454
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:33.680
something right. Look, all I'm
saying is I think that in that case,

455
00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:37.400
OJ was unfairly treated. But when
it comes to the murder thing,

456
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:41.079
I think he got away with murder, and I got friends who are like

457
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:44.200
literally mad at me about this.
Not happy. Matter of fact, I

458
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:48.599
know there's going to be an extensive
Facebook message after this discussion on the show,

459
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:52.319
Like the day after this podcast comes
out, I'm gonna have like multi

460
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:57.640
pages in Facebook messages from a couple
of guys who are like absolutely insistent on

461
00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:02.119
the whole OJ Sunday it and the
drug dealers. And in fact, there's

462
00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:07.559
one guy that tells me it's the
same drug dealers who actually committed the Manson

463
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:12.039
murders. You know, it's the
same guys, the same cartel that's been

464
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:15.599
in business in Los Angeles. That's
going to be a hard argument, pull.

465
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:19.960
I mean, it's when you base
when you look at the test just

466
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:23.880
the testimony of the limo driver,
Yeah, about what went on when he

467
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:29.920
pulled up, and the fact that
OJ was running late. I'm sorry,

468
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:35.920
you know you can. You can
argue the Mark Furman crap. You can

469
00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:42.559
argue the blatant racism, the systemic
racism of the court system till the cows

470
00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:45.880
come home, which could all be
true. Got cut his wife's throat and

471
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:49.519
killed her boyfriend. Ye, plain
and simple. But here's the thing,

472
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:52.119
It could be that the LA Cops
are corrupt. It could be that the

473
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:58.440
LA Cops are constantly planning evidence.
It could be that everybody involved was racist.

474
00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:04.400
Mark Furman is certainly a race,
and it still doesn't disqualify the reality

475
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:07.799
that he probably just killed that woman
and that dude. I mean, that's

476
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:12.359
that's it. It doesn't remove it
from the It's not like, because that's

477
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:15.599
true the clarifier on there probably yeah. Well, but I say probably that

478
00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:19.880
as far as I'm certed, based
on everything I looked at the years of

479
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:23.000
reading and looking, he did it. It looks like that to me.

480
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:28.880
But you know, I always allow
for the possibility that I don't necessarily know

481
00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:32.079
the whole story. I just leave
that, you know that that possibility there.

482
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:36.400
But if you you know, if
you ask me to cast a vote,

483
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:38.119
he did it, you know,
put me on that jury. He

484
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:43.200
did it. Okay. It's just
that simple. And it's not because oh

485
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:45.799
I just want to nail the black
guy. Uh No, you know,

486
00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:49.960
although there were people that would accuse
you of that, and that was very

487
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:53.039
racially divisive. Anyway. Another thing
about that trial, though, is that

488
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:55.599
a lot of people watch that.
I mean, they would they would go

489
00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:59.599
home and they would watch it at
night and see what went on, and

490
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:06.559
they of that that's the way that
most courtrooms and take care of things.

491
00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:10.519
And it wasn't. Oh yeah,
absolutely the judge in that whole deal,

492
00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:17.639
he was nothing but playing to the
cameras and enjoyed the popularity and the stars

493
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:22.920
and the celebrities that he came in
contact with. It was a circus.

494
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:24.880
Yeah, No, it was absolutely
a circus. And there were brand new

495
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:30.159
you know, uh, Marcia what
was her name, Marcia whatever with the

496
00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:36.199
hair, Marshall Clark right when they
did the People versus oj that that that

497
00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:42.320
you know, that that that miniseries. I found that thing to be hilarious,

498
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:45.880
you know, because it was like
all of the stuff that was going

499
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:50.320
on, Like a lot of people
he John travolt It was in that a

500
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:52.400
lot of people thought, oh,
that's like exaggeration. I'm like, the

501
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:57.079
funny part is is that as exaggerated
as a lot of that stuff looks,

502
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:01.679
it's not, uh, you know, it's like that is pretty much what

503
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:07.000
was happening in in the nineties.
There anyway, enough out of me and

504
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:08.480
even enough out of you right now, be Pete, because I do want

505
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:13.199
to get to brakes and everybody who
calls in and get back around. Uh,

506
00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:15.519
let's see who else we got on
the line. I think we have

507
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:20.679
mister Jimmy James on the line,
who might want to give an opinion about

508
00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:22.280
OJ. But then again, he
might want to change the subject. Of

509
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:27.000
course, he died just a couple
of days ago, OJ Simpson. So

510
00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:30.000
anybody, anybody want to give a
memorial? Uh? You know, what

511
00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:35.239
are you doing in memoriam? A? Uh? A eulogy for OJ?

512
00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:38.840
Lines are open? Three one nine, five, two seven five zero one

513
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:40.760
six. You want to just come
on and say, look, I know

514
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:44.079
he did it, and I don't
give a crap about all this other crap.

515
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:45.559
You want to tell me how stupid
I am that I don't believe in

516
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:51.440
the conspiracy against OJ because it was
time to frame OJ for some particular political

517
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:53.559
reason. Whatever. Hit me up. Three one nine, five, two

518
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:58.679
seven five zero one six, Jimmy
James. Uh, I haven't heard from

519
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:01.159
your fan club in a bit,
but I'm thinking I might after we have

520
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:05.440
this discussion, depending on what you
have to say. How you doing tonight,

521
00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:14.440
man, I'm doing all right.
Why is my fan club for or

522
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:20.800
against the juice? I don't remember, but I do recall that when I

523
00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:24.519
got the massive message from the guy
who gives me all the details and keeps

524
00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:30.320
insisting I need to interview a guy
who he is very sure was directly involved

525
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:35.320
in the murder. That guy.
Every time I get a message from him,

526
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:40.119
because OJ comes up on the show, I am then usually messaged by

527
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:45.719
one of your fan club people about
OJ as well. So I don't know

528
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:49.960
what. I don't remember if they
were like he's guilty or not guilty or

529
00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:53.280
whatever, but something gets them going, so I know i'll get a Jimmy

530
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:58.280
James fan club message soon. Did
they ever start that Facebook group? Does

531
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:01.519
anybody know? Do you know?
B Pete? Did you see the Facebook

532
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:07.880
group yet? I forgot to follow
up on that. Did you be?

533
00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:09.880
Pete? Might be talking to his
mute button again, Jimmy, go ahead,

534
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:13.960
tell us what you know or if
you want to change subjects. It's

535
00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:15.719
all up to you. Anybody.
You can bring up anything as you call

536
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:20.400
in tonight, So up to you, Jimmy James as usual, what's up?

537
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:30.159
Well, I'm scared to piss off
my cop. Now wait a minute,

538
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:35.760
No problem talking about Israel, no
problem talking about terrorists, no problem

539
00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:39.639
talking about the dirty this or that, or the filthy liberals that are destroying

540
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:44.519
the cut. All of that is
free reign. I can't stand this person.

541
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:46.840
I wish this one would be,
you know, would go and eliminate

542
00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:51.880
themselves from public life. We have
criminals all over the plate. You're willing

543
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:53.679
to say all that, But I
don't know if I should talk about OJY.

544
00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:57.880
That's an odd red line for you, Jimmy James. I wouldn't have

545
00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:05.280
expected that. Please elaborate. Yeah, I think it's best I just keep

546
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:12.960
quiet on O jay A. No
comment from JJ about oj Wow, couldn't

547
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:15.880
have seen that one? Did anybody
have that on their bingo card? All

548
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:19.159
right? With that, j Jimmy
James. As usual, up to you.

549
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:25.559
What do you want to talk about? Epete? Did you did you

550
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:35.599
figure out that little Watergate question?
I had to asked you Watergate? Was

551
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:39.840
this a couple of weeks ago on
the show? Yes? Because he wasn't

552
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:45.440
here last week. I think this
two weeks ago. I asked him.

553
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:52.079
I wanted to know who gave Dorothy
Hunt that money before she got on that

554
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:55.280
plane that crashed. Oh right,
yeah, And I have no answer for

555
00:38:55.360 --> 00:39:00.920
that. I'll tell you honestly,
But you did put that to be pete,

556
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:05.519
didn't you if you had any idea
about where the money came from and

557
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:08.440
what was there. Well, I
mean there's also speculation as to whether there

558
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:14.800
was more money, because they did
find the one package of money, right,

559
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:19.519
if memory serves me, they found
like one package that might have told

560
00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:22.760
five or ten grand. Yeah,
go ahead, yeah, I think like

561
00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:30.360
I think it started out one hundred
and ten grand. Mm hm, that's

562
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:34.719
like nixt wait mean ten grand or
the hells and the rest of my money?

563
00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:37.760
Fire them all, I know what's
going on here. Steal from the

564
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:43.159
president, Well, you definitely can't
steal from the corpse of the bag lady

565
00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:45.280
or the bagman, depending on you
know, gender, I guess doesn't matter.

566
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:49.920
You can't steal from the corpse of
the bagman and not return it to

567
00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:52.039
the guy who was, you know, bagging the money. I mean,

568
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:57.159
you know, either that you either
complete the delivery or return to sender you're

569
00:39:57.199 --> 00:40:01.679
supposed to. So you know,
maybe that that's the point of Yeah.

570
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:05.480
People are always saying, well,
well, look all of a sudden,

571
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:10.800
he fire people. We put Ego
Crow in charge of the air. There

572
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:15.239
you go, I said, yeah, he's primatic because there's one hundred lights

573
00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:22.480
those fbid guys or whoever sworn that
plane where I took that money. Oh

574
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:27.519
and the Gerald Posner question you had
asked a couple of weeks ago to me,

575
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:30.400
you know what's funny is that,
Yeah, I do remember that he's

576
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:37.440
in on the Vatican conspiracy. He's
about, you know, the Jesuit thing,

577
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:42.239
or at least was when he was
talking to people some years ago.

578
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:46.079
Now. I don't know if he's
gone back into it recently. But that's

579
00:40:46.119 --> 00:40:49.800
a really strange one because the guy
who's telling us that, you know,

580
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:53.079
we're really silly human beings for,
you know, believing that there could be

581
00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:59.199
a conspiracy related to the JFK case, wants to tell us about the ancient

582
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:04.360
Vatican. It just seems like these
two things don't go together. You know,

583
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:07.159
if you're for the Vatican conspiracy,
I can't see how you'd object the

584
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:14.000
JFK uh and vice versa entirely,
right, even if you don't necessarily buy

585
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:16.639
all of it, you'd figure if
you're for the JFK thing or you're for

586
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:22.719
the Vatican, you'd have to at
least entertain the possibility of the other but

587
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:28.599
oddly, Yeah, positives seem to
believe at one point in the massive Vatican

588
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:31.239
conspiracy. And I don't know if
that's still uh, you know something that

589
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:36.599
I know, nobody's inviting them on
shows to talk about it lately unless you

590
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:39.119
found more material since Jimmy James,
have you found any more material on that?

591
00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:47.920
You know? Not really. I
just at the time I was listening,

592
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:58.840
I heard him on a podcast discussing
God was called the God's bankers God.

593
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:06.920
Yeah. I just remember being so
impressed m and thinking, Okay,

594
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:10.920
now, how is this the same
guy? Yeah, it make it,

595
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:15.800
doesn't you know. He even was
talking about at one point about the whole

596
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:22.639
Vatican Bank, you know, the
Vatican Bank controversies, right, you know,

597
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:24.599
the guy who hung himself and the
guy who havesconded with money and the

598
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:30.519
embezzlement and all that stuff, which
which did happen. It's not a matter

599
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:32.480
of you know, oh that's all
conspiracy theories. Some of that stuff is

600
00:42:32.599 --> 00:42:37.440
just you know, publicly known fact. Now how deep it goes, how

601
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:42.760
big the money really was, why
people are turning up dead. Some of

602
00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:45.199
that gets into the fringes, and
then you're into conspiracy theory land. But

603
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:51.159
you can't deny some of those realities. And the weird thing is a strange

604
00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:55.119
news story I think popped up today
out of Italy. I don't know if

605
00:42:55.159 --> 00:42:59.440
you saw this already, but you
know, this woman they found her drained

606
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:06.719
of her blood and apparently they were
part of some vampire underground group and she

607
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:09.960
ends up turning up as a victim
over there. And frankly, I'm not

608
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:15.880
surprised. Italy is a very strange
place when it comes to stuff like this.

609
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:20.400
I mean, there are some deep, dark, ancient, crazy ugly

610
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:24.960
things that go on in the land
that they call Italy, which wasn't even

611
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:29.280
a country up until I don't know, one hundred and fifty years ago.

612
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Quite frankly, Italy wasn't even a
country actually, but the various kingdoms and

613
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:39.519
city states that they brought together to
form this thing they call Italy is a

614
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:45.480
rather culturally deep land that goes a
lot deeper than what most people are willing

615
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:50.679
to talk about. And there is
a lot of stranger than fiction stuff that

616
00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:55.800
goes on there, you know,
in in conspiracy culture, but also just

617
00:43:55.840 --> 00:44:00.960
in the twisted and odd webs that
we do weave. A human beings,

618
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:06.440
criminal stuff. I mean, yeah, there is the entirety of the different

619
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:08.599
criminal groups that end up forming the
mafia, and people know about that,

620
00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:14.239
sure, but there is a lot
of deep, dark criminal stuff that originates

621
00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:19.000
from that territory one way or another. And you know, some people don't

622
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like it want to bring it up. But Vatican City at the center of

623
00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:25.920
a ton of it, and there's
a lot of intrigue connected to the church

624
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:31.800
and the papal industry and so on
and so forth. I mean, there's

625
00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:38.280
just a lot going on there one
way or another. So up until there

626
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:43.199
was in Italy the pope ran a
lout of those kingdoms. That mean,

627
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:46.719
like they actually used to collect tax
and all that, right, But either

628
00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:53.079
that or they dispatched a cardinal to
sort of oversee areas like as if there

629
00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:59.119
were governors. And yeah, yeah, there's there's a lot to be said

630
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:01.079
about that where you know, quite
frankly, the idea about kicking up the

631
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:07.039
pyramid, you know, that concept
that people know from you know, organized

632
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:13.440
crime, you know TV shows and
movies and stuff. That concept probably originated

633
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:15.800
with the Vatican. You know,
eventually you got to pay up to the

634
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:23.280
pope just saying it's just the way
it is. The pyramid works that way

635
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:28.159
with the with the Catholic Church.
I'm sorry, but you know, and

636
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:30.159
then people like to point to all
the you know, all the kiddie diddling

637
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:34.119
and all that and the moving around
to priests, but I mean, talk

638
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:37.000
about tip of the iceberg. I
wish that was the worst part of what's

639
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:40.400
gone on. Uh. And like
I said, there are some very Christian

640
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:43.880
people who get very angry with me
when I bring this stuff up. But

641
00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:47.280
you know, it's reality. It's
not all conspiracy theory. But what's strange

642
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:52.639
to me is a guy like Posner
who is willing to pooh pooh everybody else's

643
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:58.239
conspiracy theories is in on the Jesuit
thing, is in on the fringe stuff

644
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:01.360
related to the Vatican, or at
least was, And I don't know if

645
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:05.360
he's talking about that anymore, or
if you know, somebody told him,

646
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:08.239
Hey, that doesn't look good when
we're sending you out to a defuse JFK

647
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:13.119
stuff. Maybe you shouldn't do that. I mean, especially because somebody's going

648
00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:15.400
to bring up to you at some
point. Kennedy was a Catholic and maybe

649
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:19.000
that's got something to do with it. And by the way, there is

650
00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:23.280
a school of thought out there among
the Jesuit assassins theory I think they call

651
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:28.639
it regarding Kennedy and how you know, it's the same group of people that's

652
00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:32.159
been around for you know, a
couple thousand years, assassinating all sorts of

653
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:37.840
leaders, and Kennedy just happened to
be one of many that the Jesuits took

654
00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:43.840
out one way or another, you
know, which again has elements of reality

655
00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:47.000
in it. But I don't you
know, they probably have never heard me

656
00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:52.559
discuss the Jesuit theory on this show, not in depth, not any more

657
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:55.719
than a mention, because it doesn't
carry a lot of weight with me.

658
00:46:57.159 --> 00:47:00.840
But what's odd again is that it
kind of goes in the room direction for

659
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:06.719
Gerald Posner, who should be the
anti conspiracy guy at all times. So

660
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:08.360
that is a weird point to bring
up. Anyway, Be Pete, I

661
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:12.239
don't know if we got sound with
you or not. I'm gonna go check

662
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:15.039
and see if I got a message
here. Oh okay, you know what,

663
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:17.400
we might not have be Pete on
the call right now at the moment.

664
00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:22.639
That's why. So sorry, Jimmy, I can't get your question answered.

665
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:28.719
But I am going yeah, but
because he's not on the call at

666
00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:34.960
the moment, he had to step
away. So I'm gonna hold your question,

667
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:38.719
and actually we're gonna take a break, and I'll put you on hold,

668
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:42.039
Jimmy, and I'll bring you back
as soon as we get back from

669
00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:45.199
the break. See what else you
have on your mind, See what else

670
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:47.840
be Pete might have to say,
and try to get the answer for you

671
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:52.000
on that question you asked a couple
of weeks ago. And for those of

672
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:57.800
you listening to us live, because
it's just about nine pm eastern now here

673
00:47:57.840 --> 00:47:59.840
in this place we used to call
America. As a matter of fact,

674
00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:06.880
the clock just hit it nine pm
eastern here on April the twelfth, okay,

675
00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:08.559
of twenty twenty four, allegedly,
according to that thing we call it

676
00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:14.320
calendar. Indeed, that is the
case. Here. You can call in

677
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:17.760
three one nine, five two seven
five zero one six. It hasn't been

678
00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:22.760
released yet, but I also recently
did a podcast called Naughty by Nature,

679
00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:27.920
a nature boy podcast, and I
don't know if that's been released yet,

680
00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:32.239
But that was an odd discussion and
some people might want to ask about that.

681
00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:36.480
Maybe not, Maybe you don't care, Maybe you want to talk about

682
00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:39.719
something else. Did Joe Biden's dogs
bite anybody else? Is there another device

683
00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:44.960
that Hunter Biden has gotten hold of? Are there any more charges against Trump?

684
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:47.480
Did anybody else come out and say
they were molested recently? Do we

685
00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:52.840
have any other things going on out
there besides Ojay's death and the reunion of

686
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:59.719
No doubt? Are we getting a
new new horror franchise or rebooted one this

687
00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:04.519
year? Guess we'll see. Stick
around the Ocelly effect of return and you

688
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:07.039
can join us three one nine,
five, two seven, five zero one

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now go there now o chilly dot
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696
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explains the great national transformation that took
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697
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context of the times and reveals never
before published information about the Cuban missile crisis.

698
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President Kennedy would not have been assassinated
if he had been president two hundred

699
00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:14.719
years ago. His assassination took place
in the context of the Cold War and

700
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the rise of the national security state. Before World War II, the United

701
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States was a continental republic. In
the decade that followed, it became an

702
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imperial superpower. Generals such as Curtis
LeMay not only wanted to invade Cuba,

703
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:30.719
but knew that there were short range
missiles on the island aren't with nuclear warheads

704
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that they could not destroy because they
were on mobile launchers. Their invasion could

705
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have led to a Third World War, and they wanted to go to war

706
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anyway. The War State by Michael
Swanson reveals why and will show you what

707
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President Kennedy was up against. For
more information, the Warstate dot com quick

708
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:53.679
reminder during the break that you can
join us live if you're hearing us two

709
00:50:53.639 --> 00:51:00.760
to three minutes excuse me after the
hour of nine pm Eastern in the part

710
00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:04.440
of the United States that they still
refer to as Eastern in what used to

711
00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:07.440
be the United States. So on
the twelfth day of April twenty twenty four.

712
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Allegedly, according to the thing we
call a counter, you could join

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us live three one nine five two
seven five zero one six or reach out

714
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:21.440
to me Charles dot O'Kelly on Skype
and I will call you into the show

715
00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:25.360
live anyway. That's how you can
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second half of this commercial break.
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Ochilly dot com. Let him know, let her know, never no got

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to let know. I'm bringing all
shot like a care rocks, the blight

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at the jack shows. This method
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721
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making two thousand something and Becker's back
on tour. You never really wanted me

722
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:15.800
ynyway. Alcohol turns me into enemy. I go sny sad with some honesty.

723
00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:19.920
I used to think that bottle was
the remedy. Picked it up once

724
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:22.480
or twice after I let it go, but finally had to let it be.

725
00:53:23.079 --> 00:53:27.440
I used to roll over the fat
head she would give me and let

726
00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:38.039
timpers and literacy. I mean literally, I figure I'm the letter we all

727
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:45.199
want chances he capper chances we learned
the letter. Though we learned the letter,

728
00:53:45.400 --> 00:54:07.000
go oh the chance. I think
it's okay to have a couple of

729
00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:12.639
heroes. It's okay fair flaws.
I wouldn't go to stay sober without Sam

730
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:16.039
Tristan's zero. I talk to Chris
Rays on the pod. I'm not lad

731
00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:21.920
he's talking to Charlie Robinson on the
pod. The people he influenced influence me

732
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:25.320
work, Chuck o'cheby, Sorry,
I haven't done ayyat, I'm gonna get

733
00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:30.840
you, those beasts say, But
we the people's influence like drops the water

734
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:35.079
in the seed and it's sad and
so plain the seed that lat and lead

735
00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:40.119
the powers that be. They've taken
corruption to his incompatibility with regavity. I

736
00:54:40.239 --> 00:54:45.800
got no problem with conspiracy in coming
in industry, as long as we stay

737
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:50.239
hard. I'm back. Just grab
no fallacy, go forth with no Madie

738
00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:54.480
casually ghost produced for years backing up
that wise wolf Golden. Ain't you average

739
00:54:54.599 --> 00:54:59.639
g I'm a bastard with no mask, but the method had had one long

740
00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:02.199
before. Well the rohonas and don't
get mad at me. So you've expressed

741
00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:05.760
my callers stools there anyone else who
mounts to get on the air of Jolley

742
00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:08.440
dot Com does not necessarily reflect he
used Jelly dot com or Jobo Chilly and

743
00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:12.239
we are not responsible. We're getting
stupidity which might get a students. Thank

744
00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:30.679
you. Go ahead call it the
truth about the JAFA assassination. Right,

745
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:35.360
well, what do you want to
know Judy Baker's wild claim Oswald girlfriends he

746
00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:38.079
knew Ruby and Barry answer weapons?
Really, I imagine I could claim I

747
00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:42.679
have four wheels. It doesn't make
me a wagon. But okay, was

748
00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:45.719
on the building and trying to prevent
the murder of John Kennedy. Come on

749
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now, has a real effort on
the day he assassination. Go to Amazon

750
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dot com enter Judith Baker in her
own words. You'll get the results for

751
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a digital copy of a book where
Walt Brown utilizes her own words and the

752
00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:05.599
known evidence in the case to get
at well a different perspective. Let's say

753
00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:08.840
you can get Judith very Baker in
her own words from the author himself,

754
00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:14.440
signed if you request it by contacting
doctor Brown at k I A S J

755
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F K at aol dot com.
It's a fun book and it actually dissects

756
00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:23.480
the many, many fantastic claims.
Judith very Baker, in her own words,

757
00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:43.360
information that's why your mother got a
wooden leg with a kickstand. A

758
00:56:43.679 --> 00:57:00.960
moment with doctor first of all,
the president just accock. I didn't have

759
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:07.320
to write red frothy, but and
he said I think I've cut the inside

760
00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:09.280
of my mouth, and I said, look, and it was pretty profuse.

761
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:14.639
Nuclear holocaust. You know what uranium
is, right, called nuclear white

762
00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:21.280
head backs and other things like relative
you know uranium, things that public uranium,

763
00:57:22.039 --> 00:58:06.800
nuclear Chili dot com. If you've
expressed my callers schools, there anyone

764
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:07.840
else who happens to get on the
air of Kelly dot com, you not

765
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:13.719
necessarily replied he views or Chuck,
and we are not responsible for any stupidity

766
00:58:13.719 --> 00:58:31.840
which might need student. Thank you, Going to Chuck o'chelly. Second segment

767
00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:37.400
of the Friday Night Open Mic here
on Oelly dot com Ocelly dot com Radio,

768
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:43.079
The o'celly Effect. My COSVPTE is
with me, although he's away from

769
00:58:43.119 --> 00:58:45.760
the mic at the moment. You
could be with me though at the mic

770
00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:51.000
right now if you call in.
I got a couple on hold and looking

771
00:58:51.079 --> 00:58:54.760
for more because I'd love to get
some diverse views about just about anything,

772
00:58:55.320 --> 00:59:00.280
whatever's on your mind. Three one
nine five two seven five zero one six.

773
00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:05.920
That's three one nine five two seven
five zero one six the number to

774
00:59:06.039 --> 00:59:08.760
call and be part of this.
Or you could reach out to me Charles

775
00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:13.880
dot Ocelly on Skype, ask me
to and I will call you into the

776
00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:17.920
show. How about that? So
Jimmy, sorry, I don't have vpedback

777
00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:21.559
at the mic yet, but he
will rejoin us before the show is over.

778
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:24.480
So when he does, I'll have
him answer that question about Watergate if

779
00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:30.159
he indeed has an answer for you. In the meantime, let's see who

780
00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:32.599
else we got on the line.
Oh, one of them just went away

781
00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:37.039
as I was clicking on him,
so I don't know what happened there,

782
00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:39.599
But you were an unidentified wireless caller. It looked like a New York area

783
00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:44.960
code at a glance, but I
don't know cause it's gone now. I'll

784
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:47.800
get a report later. By the
way, you know, also doing a

785
00:59:47.840 --> 00:59:51.400
little little fun drive. If you
could help us out, we could pay

786
00:59:51.400 --> 00:59:55.960
for the phone lines and finish up
paying for the account that helps us distribute

787
00:59:55.960 --> 01:00:00.519
the free podcast. Just a couple
dollars, I mean I've gotten most of

788
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:04.800
two hundred and fifty dollars ready to
roll, but not all of it.

789
01:00:05.440 --> 01:00:08.280
And that's what I need in total
to get the thing done. But I

790
01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:12.519
don't need anything like that, just
a few dollars to finish it out,

791
01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:16.280
pay for the taxes and whatnot.
And the phone bill is a cheap one

792
01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:21.400
because I pay for extra features so
that we have one hundred phone lines open.

793
01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:25.440
We never need one hundred phone lines, but I have them. They

794
01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:30.800
are available three one nine five two
seven five zero one six. And so

795
01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:36.559
far, what have we covered OJ
the rise and fall of Court TV.

796
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:40.280
What's been going on lately? Not
much. We haven't talked about that at

797
01:00:40.280 --> 01:00:45.719
all, have we No new bites
from the Biden dogs, no new bytes

798
01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:52.199
from the Justice Department, no new
trumpet sphere stuff. So far. Let's

799
01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:55.119
see what else could be happening.
Is there any more murder in Mayhem?

800
01:00:55.559 --> 01:01:00.440
Oh? By the way, there
are war fares going on, and the

801
01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:06.480
warfairs are not necessarily meant to coincide
with your county fairs. But how fair

802
01:01:06.599 --> 01:01:10.119
is war? Not very especially not
that the people get caught in the crossfire.

803
01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:15.159
Right, So that's going on in
a few places, How deep are

804
01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:19.840
we into Ukraine and that occasion?
It's more than two years? But is

805
01:01:19.880 --> 01:01:23.400
anybody keeping track anymore? Does anybody
know about the live fire incidents going on

806
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:28.719
in Africa? Is anybody aware of
what might or might not be happening in

807
01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:31.320
Europe? Oh? By the way, have you heard about recent troop movements?

808
01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:37.760
I have not. Is Austin the
guy you know, our defense secretary?

809
01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:40.440
How's he doing lately? Anymore?
Surgeries he's got to go to and

810
01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:44.920
not tell Biden about? Or maybe
he did tell Biden and Biden forgot.

811
01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:50.719
Anybody checked the old man's depends lately? Which old man could be? Many?

812
01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:54.079
Rfk Junior? How's his campaign going? I just got an email from

813
01:01:54.159 --> 01:02:00.719
him still explaining that he's in search
of secret Service protection, although I don't

814
01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:06.920
think he has a valid chance at
becoming a legitimate nominee anywhere. Kind of

815
01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:09.000
not pleased with that. But it
is what it is, isn't it?

816
01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:15.000
And should we even check to see
what's trending on Elon Musk's private, allegedly

817
01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:22.199
free speech platform. I just don't
know. Pete Peter, are you back

818
01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:30.119
with me? Yes? Excellent?
Okay, so you might have missed it,

819
01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:34.280
but Jimmy James. I'm gonna bring
him on the line first because we

820
01:02:34.599 --> 01:02:37.079
have two callers on hold. And
Jimmy was asking a question when you had

821
01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:40.480
to duck away, and not like
you were ducking Jimmy or anything. You

822
01:02:40.639 --> 01:02:45.840
just had you were called away for
something. But reality is he had a

823
01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:49.679
question for you a couple of weeks
ago related to Watergate, and I guess

824
01:02:49.840 --> 01:02:52.960
I don't recall the question, but
maybe we should get him on refresh the

825
01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:54.840
question and see if you ever got
an answer to it. What do you

826
01:02:54.920 --> 01:03:00.239
say? Right? All right?
And I tried to go into the thing

827
01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:04.519
about Gerald Posner and yeah, there's
a weird thing that Posner was covering.

828
01:03:04.559 --> 01:03:07.559
Oh yeah, I did discuss that
while b Pete was away, but not

829
01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:10.039
all that important. I don't even
need to bring you up to speed there.

830
01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:13.880
Oh by the way, when I
went to Twitter, there's something about

831
01:03:14.360 --> 01:03:16.079
the New York Mets a rocket from
a polar bear. I don't know what

832
01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:22.400
that means. Something going on.
I guess I'm following the Mets on Twitter.

833
01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:23.920
Am I following the Mets? Yeah, I am, I'm following the

834
01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:29.079
New York Mets on Twitter. I'm
almost surprised that I do, but still

835
01:03:29.199 --> 01:03:31.880
do. I guess one day I'll
watch some baseball again, or maybe some

836
01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:36.840
boxing. Every time I go to
X by the way, I do get

837
01:03:36.920 --> 01:03:42.119
told what is hot as far as
the live broadcast. Does anybody know what's

838
01:03:42.199 --> 01:03:46.800
trending? Let's see if we do. If I go to my profile,

839
01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:51.480
let's see if we'll just get a
quick what's trending? What's hot? No,

840
01:03:51.679 --> 01:03:54.000
I don't have the trending thing anymore
right now on the side of my

841
01:03:54.119 --> 01:04:00.719
Twitter feed. That's weird anyway,
who cares, doesn't matter. Jimmy James

842
01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:03.199
on and continue the conversation. We
still got the better part of an hour

843
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:10.280
left, so Jimmy, maybe you
could refresh that question for b Pete and

844
01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:14.719
he could get to it for you. What do you say? All right?

845
01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:23.360
My question was does anyone is it
all in history who gave Dorothy as

846
01:04:23.440 --> 01:04:30.360
Mount the money before she got on
that plane that ferished. I don't know

847
01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:35.920
that they have ever found out the
source of the money. Apparently she had

848
01:04:36.159 --> 01:04:44.480
ten thousand I think in her purse, but she had another box of money,

849
01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:49.599
and I don't know if it's ever
been sourced. Right. Well,

850
01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:54.679
I brought up the recovered amount that
you know, they said they had about

851
01:04:54.719 --> 01:04:58.639
ten grand and Jimmy James and I
speculated about maybe somebody said, yeah,

852
01:04:58.719 --> 01:05:00.840
go get the rest of it.
But then again, maybe that's just what

853
01:05:01.039 --> 01:05:05.440
was allowed to be inventoried, right
with the collection of the crash site,

854
01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:09.920
and who knows what where the rest
of it went or how much the rest

855
01:05:09.960 --> 01:05:13.599
of it was or was the rest
of it in a suitcase or was it

856
01:05:13.719 --> 01:05:16.159
on another carry on? Did they
buy a seat for the money bag?

857
01:05:16.599 --> 01:05:21.639
You know, we don't know necessarily
doing no, And I mean that's been

858
01:05:21.719 --> 01:05:25.760
one of the long stand of mysteries
of the whole thing. You know,

859
01:05:25.840 --> 01:05:30.480
where she got the money and exactly
who was it for? Well as for

860
01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:32.920
where she got it, and you
know, look where she got it,

861
01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:35.880
Okay, that's difficult, but who
was it for? I mean, I

862
01:05:35.960 --> 01:05:41.280
think almost anybody would agree that if
she was picking up cash at that point,

863
01:05:41.440 --> 01:05:46.000
that was meant to help keep the
Watergate burglars, you know, at

864
01:05:46.119 --> 01:05:50.760
least paid, whether they were in
prison or they had legal bills or whatever.

865
01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:56.000
It was meant to, you know, keep them happy and keep their

866
01:05:56.079 --> 01:06:00.599
mouths shut about something larger than what
they had already been. A school legal

867
01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:06.119
contributions to creep the committee to re
elect the president. Yeah, but see,

868
01:06:06.159 --> 01:06:10.480
the Hunt family would have been more
into self preservation mode at this point,

869
01:06:10.639 --> 01:06:14.000
right, So I'm thinking, I
don't know if he's you know,

870
01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:18.000
it's still creep business because their husband
couldn't do it. Maybe maybe, But

871
01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:21.920
I'm thinking there also would have to
be a special bag of money for the

872
01:06:23.079 --> 01:06:27.440
rest of the collaborators regarding Watergate.
I mean, I don't know, maybe

873
01:06:27.480 --> 01:06:30.280
it's just me or or was it
hush money? Was it money that was

874
01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:33.360
going to go to those that were
sitting in jail to keep them quiet?

875
01:06:33.679 --> 01:06:35.960
Well, yeah, that's what I
mean by the payoff for the rest of

876
01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:40.320
the Watergate guys, is you know, keep your mouth shut. Here's the

877
01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:44.599
money to keep your family running while
you're locked up or stuck in court or

878
01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:48.840
unable to do your other work because
you have a media spotlight on you one

879
01:06:48.840 --> 01:06:51.559
way or another. This is,
you know, just to keep you set

880
01:06:51.639 --> 01:06:55.920
up so that you don't go ahead
and spill the beans and get a payoff

881
01:06:55.960 --> 01:07:00.840
that way, right, or get
a real prison But that at that point

882
01:07:00.920 --> 01:07:06.880
though, I mean, when did
Dean start singing? Because the gig was

883
01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:12.480
up. Once Dean started squealing,
it didn't matter what they did hush money

884
01:07:12.519 --> 01:07:15.559
wise or keeping people quiet, because
you know, Dean gave him everything that

885
01:07:15.679 --> 01:07:20.760
they needed. I think, well, what g Gordon Lydia referred to him

886
01:07:20.760 --> 01:07:24.320
as the rat? I think he
called him the rat the rest of his

887
01:07:24.519 --> 01:07:30.039
life. Well, I don't know, because Dean couldn't have possibly given him

888
01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:35.400
some of the operational details because he
wouldn't have been in on some things directly.

889
01:07:35.559 --> 01:07:41.280
Right, you're talking about his public
testimony, because that's in seventy three.

890
01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:45.519
I think let me take a look
at that. Actually, let me

891
01:07:45.559 --> 01:07:47.079
go, well, when did Hunt? When did when was the plane crash?

892
01:07:47.320 --> 01:07:51.760
Year? Well, first, I
was going to look up John Dean

893
01:07:51.840 --> 01:07:57.719
and exactly when his testimony went public, But let's uh, let's get a

894
01:07:57.840 --> 01:08:02.199
date on that though. Just go
ahead, like a plane crash would have

895
01:08:02.280 --> 01:08:12.679
been seventy two, okay, before
the hearings and all, because start that

896
01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:18.520
was yeah, Dean started squealing long
before you know, he golfered any public

897
01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:23.800
testimony. He was behind the scenes. That's how they knew they they had

898
01:08:23.840 --> 01:08:28.960
the President Dean. He was singing
like a canary. Okay, So specifically,

899
01:08:29.319 --> 01:08:33.079
Dorothy Hunt's plane crashed on December eighth, nineteen seventy two. Okay,

900
01:08:33.600 --> 01:08:39.199
okay, Now, as far as
John Dean and his public testimony, it

901
01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:44.960
looks like that's June of seventy three. Yeah, see, he was singing

902
01:08:45.039 --> 01:08:48.399
long before then. Well he was
talking. But his public testimony, right,

903
01:08:48.520 --> 01:08:51.800
you know the thing that they put
on TV, that's in June seventy

904
01:08:51.840 --> 01:08:56.760
three. Now, as for when
he was talking and when he was actually

905
01:08:56.800 --> 01:09:00.840
giving out the information and when that
was hitting the newspapers, well, it's

906
01:09:00.920 --> 01:09:04.239
kind of hard to explain because there's
stuff coming out that's not attributed to people.

907
01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:09.319
Was this, you know, Dean
being an inside source at a certain

908
01:09:09.399 --> 01:09:15.520
point before public declarations came out,
you know, from the different prosecutors and

909
01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:17.600
this kind of stuff, or was
it you know what I mean? So

910
01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:21.760
you got leaks from the committee,
you got leaks from the White House,

911
01:09:21.800 --> 01:09:27.920
you got leaks, and so these
leaks all over the place, and then

912
01:09:27.960 --> 01:09:33.239
you have other stuff happening during the
impeachment hearings and what seventy four? Right,

913
01:09:33.279 --> 01:09:39.000
because he won the election in seventy
two, and then I guess the

914
01:09:39.119 --> 01:09:44.760
impeachment pressure was at its heightened seventy
four. I don't know, it's different.

915
01:09:44.840 --> 01:09:47.239
Let's see the Watergate files. Senate
hearings in February of seventy three.

916
01:09:47.319 --> 01:09:53.319
You see, there's February of seventy
three, which is virtually right after because

917
01:09:53.319 --> 01:09:57.239
you know, Congress is on break
in December, comes back and everybody gets

918
01:09:57.279 --> 01:10:00.079
sworn in again and all that in
seventy three, but it's an off year,

919
01:10:00.199 --> 01:10:04.279
so it's not the big year for
the changeover in government. But still

920
01:10:05.520 --> 01:10:09.840
new people are coming in in seventy
three and they're just barely in the door.

921
01:10:10.520 --> 01:10:14.800
And then the Senate hearings are happening
in February. Yeah, you know,

922
01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:18.720
and that's Sam Irwin as the chairman. Yeah, Irwin's the chairman.

923
01:10:18.840 --> 01:10:23.439
John Deane. Okay, so Dean
is testifying even back here, it says,

924
01:10:25.479 --> 01:10:30.640
but he testifies in March. Okay, So he testifies in March.

925
01:10:31.520 --> 01:10:38.680
Dean had been he'd been singing long
before that. Well, yeah, they

926
01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:41.600
had to know what it was he
was going to present in public before they

927
01:10:41.720 --> 01:10:45.279
made the show of bringing him out
in public. So obviously his you know,

928
01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:49.920
he was already deposed previously. And
yeah, so it's not like they

929
01:10:49.960 --> 01:10:55.039
didn't have that information until he was
on TV. If it's my understanding,

930
01:10:55.199 --> 01:10:59.760
Dean went to them and said,
hey, I'm here, see why.

931
01:11:00.199 --> 01:11:04.000
This is what happened. Dean was
worried about his own prosecution. That's the

932
01:11:04.079 --> 01:11:11.439
only reason he started singing, of
course, because Archie Gordon Liddy brought out

933
01:11:11.479 --> 01:11:14.520
he said, yeah, he said
when he thought that he was gonna have

934
01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:16.880
to catch any crap for it,
that's when he started singing like a canary.

935
01:11:16.880 --> 01:11:21.479
He just covers o butt and he
threw everybody under the bus. Well

936
01:11:21.560 --> 01:11:25.600
obviously, because Nixon turns around and
tells him, look, go write a

937
01:11:25.680 --> 01:11:29.279
report on all this stuff, and
this way you'll be on the record,

938
01:11:29.359 --> 01:11:30.199
you know, and what he took
it as is, he'll be on the

939
01:11:30.279 --> 01:11:36.079
record explaining everything, which means guess
what, he knew it already, you

940
01:11:36.159 --> 01:11:40.520
know. So he tells him,
why don't you go to Camp David and

941
01:11:40.640 --> 01:11:44.479
go write up a nice report for
me? Because he was what he was

942
01:11:44.560 --> 01:11:46.680
White House counsel. Wouldn't that his
official job? Hey, I guess was

943
01:11:46.720 --> 01:11:50.199
he a special counsel to the White
House or was he the lead I forget

944
01:11:50.239 --> 01:11:54.720
what his title was. He was
Nixon's lawyer, so I don't know if

945
01:11:54.720 --> 01:11:58.520
he was the president's lawyer or if
he was you know, he was always

946
01:11:58.560 --> 01:12:02.119
described as Nixon's law but I think
he was the White House lawyer for the

947
01:12:02.199 --> 01:12:08.640
White House. I think that was
his position and he wasn't about to go

948
01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:12.279
down for any of them. Yeah. Well, but again I think because

949
01:12:12.319 --> 01:12:15.600
when Nixon told him to go ahead
and write that, you know, he

950
01:12:15.960 --> 01:12:18.479
knew that that was like, okay, so I'm going to write down all

951
01:12:18.560 --> 01:12:21.199
the facts and everything, which means
that I would be the guy who's most

952
01:12:21.239 --> 01:12:27.640
informed on this. Which, guess
what. Let's see White House Special Files

953
01:12:27.680 --> 01:12:30.640
staff member, the man who helped
bring Nixon down after water gag. John.

954
01:12:30.840 --> 01:12:34.079
Let me see what his actual job
title was. I almost thought it

955
01:12:34.119 --> 01:12:39.600
said special Let's find out, you
know, let's just do the dumb thing

956
01:12:39.640 --> 01:12:43.479
and go to Wikipedia. Right,
Yeah, he could have been special adviser,

957
01:12:43.560 --> 01:12:46.600
but I know he was always described
as Nixon's attorney. Yeah, because

958
01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:50.600
he had a job with the campaign
and start a watergate. Okay, he

959
01:12:50.840 --> 01:12:57.119
is literally called the White House counsel. Yeah met with this guy, Okay,

960
01:12:57.239 --> 01:13:00.840
the real and he's meeting with Creep
and this and that in late March.

961
01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:04.239
Okay, so Mitchell democratic Mesal was
a link to cover up Yeah,

962
01:13:04.279 --> 01:13:12.920
okay, so he's actually described as
White House Counsel in seventy two that were

963
01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:16.079
actually coming from John Mitchell's wife,
Martha Mitchell. Well, that's a whole

964
01:13:16.159 --> 01:13:18.840
other story, which, by the
way, there's been a couple of interesting

965
01:13:19.600 --> 01:13:24.680
let's see, Dean volunteered position for
Richard Nixon's presidential campaign nineteen sixty eight.

966
01:13:24.720 --> 01:13:30.159
The following year, he became an
Associate Deputy in the Office of the United's

967
01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:35.520
the Attorney General of the United States, serving under Attorney General John and Mitchell,

968
01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:40.720
with whom he was on friendly terms
in July of nineteen seventy except in

969
01:13:40.720 --> 01:13:44.960
an appointment to Service Counsel to the
President after the previous holder of the post,

970
01:13:45.199 --> 01:13:48.520
Chuck Coulson, became the President's director
of the Office of Public Liaison.

971
01:13:49.039 --> 01:13:55.640
Okay, so yeah, that's where
Coulson switches jobs with Dean. Uh and

972
01:13:55.760 --> 01:13:58.439
he was in on it because he
was working for Mitchell, and Mitchell had

973
01:13:58.439 --> 01:14:00.159
to get the hell out of there
because Martha that was causing all kinds of

974
01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:05.880
problems and yeah, yeah, so
okay, but look, it's an easy

975
01:14:05.960 --> 01:14:11.680
thing to get confused because there was
like a conveyor belt of people that started

976
01:14:11.680 --> 01:14:15.079
switching jobs around through the Nixon administration
from sixty eight to seventy two. You

977
01:14:15.159 --> 01:14:20.840
have quite a bit of a game
of musical chairs going on. But meanwhile,

978
01:14:20.880 --> 01:14:26.039
he had responsibilities with the campaign,
he had responsibilities with Mitchell and all

979
01:14:26.159 --> 01:14:29.760
that stuff. And meanwhile, I
doubt that he was like the mastermind behind

980
01:14:29.800 --> 01:14:31.560
this all. But I think that
was going to be the intention, like,

981
01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:36.199
Okay, you know what, let
Dean go down for it and maybe

982
01:14:36.279 --> 01:14:40.079
we'll shut this off, you know, maybe we can end it at Dean.

983
01:14:41.439 --> 01:14:44.439
I think that was the idea.
But you know, I could be

984
01:14:44.479 --> 01:14:45.880
wrong about it anyway, Sorry,
Jimmy. I don't think we have a

985
01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:50.720
definitive answer though, for but we
will research that because I'm curious too.

986
01:14:51.279 --> 01:14:55.000
Yeah. No, but I think
no matter what we do researching it,

987
01:14:55.399 --> 01:14:58.439
there may be a dead end there. There may be a literal dead end

988
01:14:58.479 --> 01:15:00.880
where it's like, yeah, ever
gonna know really where the money came from

989
01:15:01.560 --> 01:15:05.399
or how much actually was there and
everything else. I think that's gonna be

990
01:15:08.039 --> 01:15:11.199
one of those mysteries that you're never
gonna quite get around, you know.

991
01:15:12.640 --> 01:15:18.560
Uh, But that's my opinion.
Do you like to talk, oh,

992
01:15:18.640 --> 01:15:24.720
Dean? What I have read or
heard, There's been a lot of there's

993
01:15:24.720 --> 01:15:28.439
been people that interview Dean. He
doesn't. He doesn't give a lot of

994
01:15:28.520 --> 01:15:31.640
interviews. But I was reading this
was a few years ago that somebody had

995
01:15:31.680 --> 01:15:35.800
talked to him and found out that
he's still changing his story to this day.

996
01:15:38.279 --> 01:15:41.920
Well, you know what, I
would be interested. It is a

997
01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:45.399
possible. He's a talking head for
CNN. I think he's got a permanent

998
01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:49.079
job over there. But I'm wondering
if there's a way to reach out.

999
01:15:49.199 --> 01:15:54.199
Yeah, he's they constantly bring him
out. Uh okay, So John Deane,

1000
01:15:54.239 --> 01:15:57.520
you know quite a bit about presidential
scandal. Talk to us about Donald

1001
01:15:57.520 --> 01:16:00.960
Trump. They do it all the
time with him. I'm I'm wondering if

1002
01:16:00.039 --> 01:16:03.880
I could somehow make an inquiry and
see if I could get him, because

1003
01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:08.479
I'm sure he publishes a book every
now and then too. Uh see,

1004
01:16:08.520 --> 01:16:12.800
if I could just snatch him up
for a podcast interview, that would be

1005
01:16:12.880 --> 01:16:15.039
a good one. That would be
a good one to get. I think,

1006
01:16:15.479 --> 01:16:16.319
I don't know, I'm gonna make
it out un honest, try for

1007
01:16:16.359 --> 01:16:19.079
that. I don't think I've ever
tried for John Dene. Let me try

1008
01:16:19.159 --> 01:16:21.960
for John Dene and if I can
get him on the show, Jimmy James,

1009
01:16:23.439 --> 01:16:28.119
maybe we'll get some interesting answers,
not necessarily truth out of the guy,

1010
01:16:28.199 --> 01:16:30.960
but we'll get some answers of some
kind. What do you think,

1011
01:16:30.359 --> 01:16:36.319
Yeah, he might know where came
from. Yeah he does. Maybe he

1012
01:16:36.479 --> 01:16:41.800
does, And maybe he's old enough
that he'll slip the tongue and maybe I'll

1013
01:16:41.800 --> 01:16:47.800
get it. What do you think
that would be something? Well, I'll

1014
01:16:47.880 --> 01:16:51.800
send Joe Is in for Chuck,
no problem, Yes, send it to

1015
01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:57.239
me. By the way, the
guy from Saturday Night Live that that you

1016
01:16:57.319 --> 01:17:00.760
wanted me to look into, no
response yet. Yeah, and I left

1017
01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:06.159
a voicemail. I left a voicemail
on a phone number, and I've sent

1018
01:17:06.479 --> 01:17:14.600
an email already to a contact that's
supposed to be in charge of his bookings.

1019
01:17:15.039 --> 01:17:18.640
Okay, so I don't know,
but we shall soon see. Okay,

1020
01:17:19.800 --> 01:17:25.399
we be awesome. Oh no,
that would be a hell of a

1021
01:17:25.479 --> 01:17:27.760
fun interview. I'd love to talk
to that guy. I think he got

1022
01:17:27.840 --> 01:17:30.880
a raw deal. Actually, he's
one of the guys that should have gotten

1023
01:17:30.439 --> 01:17:35.039
a whole lot more out of his
Saturday Night Live career than he did,

1024
01:17:35.119 --> 01:17:39.800
and I would love to hear from
him. Uh you know what I mean.

1025
01:17:40.880 --> 01:17:48.079
So you know, mister Morris,
Yeah, I just watch thanks to

1026
01:17:48.239 --> 01:17:54.319
him. You know, after all
the last night last night looked at you.

1027
01:17:54.439 --> 01:18:00.640
And the thing is that I always
will appreciate it that him, guild

1028
01:18:00.680 --> 01:18:06.399
Na. There's a few people.
The people don't realize that we're They had

1029
01:18:06.479 --> 01:18:12.880
the basic keep the show going off. Chevy, Chase and Murphy. They're

1030
01:18:13.279 --> 01:18:21.359
not Murphy, but uh yeah,
they all took off and at at Ackroyd

1031
01:18:21.760 --> 01:18:26.600
and Blue Set, they were all
doing movies and these were the guys that

1032
01:18:26.920 --> 01:18:31.640
kept things going for five years.
I got one of our funniest My favorite

1033
01:18:31.680 --> 01:18:36.800
gar I ever saw was the first
time they did you know, the nightly

1034
01:18:36.960 --> 01:18:42.239
news on Saturday Night Live, and
it says, as a public service to

1035
01:18:42.399 --> 01:18:45.600
our hearing impaired viewers, yep,
that was I was going to bring up

1036
01:18:45.439 --> 01:18:50.640
will repeat tonight's headlines and he starts
screaming tonight. I died laughing when I

1037
01:18:50.760 --> 01:18:55.720
saw that. And as far as
I'm concerned, then the kids on that

1038
01:18:55.840 --> 01:18:58.279
old zoke, oh yeah, because
they put a little bubble down on the

1039
01:18:58.319 --> 01:19:03.439
bottom of the screen like like they
from the school have depth. He's from

1040
01:19:03.520 --> 01:19:08.600
the school and hard hearing. Yeah, he's from the New York the New

1041
01:19:08.680 --> 01:19:13.199
York whatever Academy for the Heart of
Hearing, and the little bubble comes up,

1042
01:19:14.720 --> 01:19:16.800
and the little bubble comes up like
it would for somebody who's gonna give

1043
01:19:16.800 --> 01:19:19.960
you a sign language. And he
puts his hands around his mouth like cupping

1044
01:19:20.039 --> 01:19:24.000
him to you know, make a
like a like a megaphone out of his

1045
01:19:24.119 --> 01:19:28.880
hands, and he goes, you
know, and tonight's headlines, Tonight's headlines.

1046
01:19:29.560 --> 01:19:33.159
He just starts screaming. That's hilarious. That's got to be one of

1047
01:19:33.199 --> 01:19:36.680
the best. That's one of the
best things, like ever to just come

1048
01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:40.960
out of that show, right like
in a short a short bit. They

1049
01:19:41.039 --> 01:19:43.920
did it a few more times,
and a family guy did something like that

1050
01:19:44.039 --> 01:19:47.279
the one time too. They they
brought him on to do a thought bubble,

1051
01:19:48.119 --> 01:19:50.760
uh, and it was like and
and to help me explain this,

1052
01:19:51.039 --> 01:19:55.880
we have the professor from the New
York School for the Heart of Hearing,

1053
01:19:56.279 --> 01:19:59.640
mister Garrett Morris, and he did
the same thing on there, except you

1054
01:19:59.680 --> 01:20:04.199
know, Ryan's trying to tell Meg
that he's not into her so anyway,

1055
01:20:04.199 --> 01:20:08.880
and he just starts screaming at her. I don't have feelings for you like

1056
01:20:09.039 --> 01:20:15.560
that. He's just screaming at her, and it's hilarious. Anyways, guess

1057
01:20:15.640 --> 01:20:17.319
you had to be there. Maybe
I can find that clip before the show's

1058
01:20:17.359 --> 01:20:20.920
over, but we'll see what we
can do. Jimmy James, further research

1059
01:20:21.119 --> 01:20:26.319
necessary and Dorothy Hunt definitely something to
look into some more. Uh, the

1060
01:20:26.359 --> 01:20:31.199
whole Hunt saga is worthy of further
examination. Although I do not buy Saint

1061
01:20:31.279 --> 01:20:38.279
John Hunt's you know JFK conspiracy line, but you know, what are you

1062
01:20:38.279 --> 01:20:41.720
gonna do? Saint John Hunt has
some real stories to be told, and

1063
01:20:41.880 --> 01:20:45.680
they are pretty wild about, you
know, helping his father literally get rid

1064
01:20:45.720 --> 01:20:48.000
of evidence in the middle of the
night and stuff like that. That stuff

1065
01:20:48.039 --> 01:20:54.920
I believe, you know, and
and trying to help his father write you

1066
01:20:54.960 --> 01:20:57.680
know, some of those spy novels
and things. Yeah, I believe all

1067
01:20:57.760 --> 01:21:01.640
that. But the thing I think, at best it was hypothetical and at

1068
01:21:01.640 --> 01:21:06.880
worst it was purposeful disinformation from a
guy who made a living out of disinformation,

1069
01:21:08.079 --> 01:21:12.119
being his father. Uh. And
again his deathbed confession not really coming

1070
01:21:12.199 --> 01:21:16.359
on his deathbed, but still something
to be examined, not because it's valid,

1071
01:21:16.880 --> 01:21:21.920
but as a as an exposition,
as a prime example of how it

1072
01:21:23.039 --> 01:21:28.399
is you feed bs to the public
and make it look legitimate enough that plenty

1073
01:21:28.479 --> 01:21:31.199
of people will chase that red herring
with that fishing pole all day long.

1074
01:21:31.920 --> 01:21:34.600
And I don't know about you,
but I don't think I've ever actually seen

1075
01:21:34.840 --> 01:21:40.439
a red herring. But anyway,
human expression, and yeah, that came

1076
01:21:40.560 --> 01:21:45.199
up on this week's latest Star Trek
episode. But anyhow, enough out of

1077
01:21:45.239 --> 01:21:46.680
that, let's go to our first
caller, and nobody else has joined us.

1078
01:21:46.960 --> 01:21:50.960
Three one nine five two seven five
zero one six. That's the number

1079
01:21:51.039 --> 01:21:55.319
to join us if you want to
get in on this live on a Friday

1080
01:21:55.479 --> 01:21:59.079
night. It is an open mic, so you can bring up anything you

1081
01:21:59.199 --> 01:22:02.520
want. I also see that a
brand new New World next week has just

1082
01:22:02.640 --> 01:22:06.319
been released according to my emails,
because I am looking at my emails throughout

1083
01:22:06.359 --> 01:22:11.800
the show, and it's about thirty
five minutes after nine pm. We're going

1084
01:22:11.880 --> 01:22:15.960
to go a little bit after ten
pm tonight because from what I'm told,

1085
01:22:15.439 --> 01:22:21.039
no age of transitions. I think
Aaron's kid is off on a traveling soccer

1086
01:22:21.159 --> 01:22:26.079
game or something this week. But
don't worry. The age of transitions and

1087
01:22:26.239 --> 01:22:30.239
Uncle the podcast will return, so
we have a little extra room for o

1088
01:22:30.359 --> 01:22:32.520
Shelly Effect tonight will go over just
to make sure you get a full two

1089
01:22:32.600 --> 01:22:36.880
hour open my experience on a Friday
night, So be peap. You have

1090
01:22:36.920 --> 01:22:40.479
a quick question? Sure, I
was just gonna ask if you had anything

1091
01:22:40.520 --> 01:22:43.600
else to add before we go to
our back to our one caller that's waiting

1092
01:22:43.640 --> 01:22:45.760
there besides me. Yeah, quick
question. I sent you that link for

1093
01:22:45.840 --> 01:22:55.079
that YouTube video talking about doctor Burgs, who was along with Fauci, the

1094
01:22:55.159 --> 01:22:59.920
one that was actually taking care of
all these reports and everything from the CDs.

1095
01:23:00.079 --> 01:23:04.640
And I was wondering if you got
a chance to watch that. Yeah,

1096
01:23:05.199 --> 01:23:08.000
you know what. I took a
look at that, and then I

1097
01:23:08.079 --> 01:23:13.159
got sidetracked by another video that popped
up on the side of it. But

1098
01:23:13.920 --> 01:23:16.359
I mean, do you want me
to play some of that tonight or well

1099
01:23:16.439 --> 01:23:20.000
no, I was just wondering if
that's me something that we could possibly get

1100
01:23:20.039 --> 01:23:26.039
into on another show on some of
the stuff that has been coming out since

1101
01:23:26.119 --> 01:23:29.720
the pandemic hit and some of the
responsibilities. You know, a lot of

1102
01:23:29.720 --> 01:23:32.560
people put all the blame on Fauci
for some of the stuff that went on,

1103
01:23:33.439 --> 01:23:40.560
but yet you had this lady sitting
there writing reports and policy and was

1104
01:23:40.680 --> 01:23:44.439
really the one that was pushing for
the school closures and other things that went

1105
01:23:44.560 --> 01:23:46.640
on. And basically, I mean
they said that, you know, they

1106
01:23:47.039 --> 01:23:49.600
were just pulling this stuff out of
their butt. I mean, there was

1107
01:23:49.680 --> 01:23:55.000
no rhyme or reason for them doing
it other than they felt like, well,

1108
01:23:55.119 --> 01:23:58.479
that's the best thing we can do
under the circumstances. But see why

1109
01:23:58.560 --> 01:24:02.079
it was designed, you know,
to cause the massive failure that it did.

1110
01:24:02.319 --> 01:24:04.479
Yeah. See, but as per
usual, right, you know,

1111
01:24:05.079 --> 01:24:10.199
you're not meant to follow those rabbit
trails because if you do, you might

1112
01:24:10.279 --> 01:24:13.920
actually get it. Who's actually responsible
for stuff and who actually did stuff?

1113
01:24:15.119 --> 01:24:17.279
That's the amazing part. I was
listening to people being interviewed. Also,

1114
01:24:17.399 --> 01:24:19.920
this is the thing that caught my
attension on the sidebar, by the way,

1115
01:24:20.600 --> 01:24:23.760
is that there were a bunch of
people where they were like, can

1116
01:24:23.840 --> 01:24:30.119
you explain, you know, who's
actually responsible for the pandemic responses? And

1117
01:24:30.880 --> 01:24:35.920
people have all kinds of crazy ideas
about who shut down the country, who

1118
01:24:36.079 --> 01:24:40.640
did this, who was asking for
this and that and the third thing,

1119
01:24:41.239 --> 01:24:45.359
and none of them want to realize
that it's a coordinated program. You know,

1120
01:24:46.000 --> 01:24:48.640
look when you take a look at
the fact. I'm sorry, but

1121
01:24:48.680 --> 01:24:51.960
I was looking at JP's rundown today
too, which, by the way,

1122
01:24:53.520 --> 01:24:57.920
excellent the newsmandal dot com. Okay, the Rundown. I love how he

1123
01:24:58.000 --> 01:25:01.279
collects stories from all over the Internet
and creates a narrative for you. I'll

1124
01:25:01.319 --> 01:25:05.359
tell you the most amazing narrative though, and it just it hurts me to

1125
01:25:05.479 --> 01:25:11.439
my guts. You know, lunchables, Pete, You're familiar with lunchables,

1126
01:25:11.520 --> 01:25:15.000
right, Oh god, I've even
those things a thousand times. My question

1127
01:25:15.359 --> 01:25:18.880
is, where in the hell is
all this lead coming from? Yeah,

1128
01:25:19.039 --> 01:25:24.760
isn't that amazing ham crackers and cheese? How where do you where is this

1129
01:25:24.920 --> 01:25:30.079
heavy lead content coming unless it's coming
from the packaging? Well, look,

1130
01:25:30.199 --> 01:25:33.520
when it's not real food. The
first problem is, you know, when

1131
01:25:33.560 --> 01:25:40.199
you allow substances to get into food
that isn't food, problems begin. And

1132
01:25:40.359 --> 01:25:45.600
when you have all sorts of adulterated
and chemical substances that are there to make,

1133
01:25:45.720 --> 01:25:48.720
you know, things preserve longer,
that are there to you know,

1134
01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:53.960
give certain colors to things and everything
else. You get into an area where

1135
01:25:54.239 --> 01:25:57.840
indeed there's a bunch of elements here. I mean, remember the red dye

1136
01:25:57.960 --> 01:26:00.920
that was poisoning people. There was
red dye eye and the food just to

1137
01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:05.119
make certain things red. You know, because when I was in Switzerland.

1138
01:26:05.199 --> 01:26:10.279
There was a list of about two
hundred and fifty products from the US that

1139
01:26:10.520 --> 01:26:13.840
wasn't allowed to be sold. One
of them was fruit loops and it was

1140
01:26:13.920 --> 01:26:16.520
because of the red dye that they
used in the red fruit loops things like

1141
01:26:16.600 --> 01:26:20.600
that. But I'm sitting there thinking, you know, lunchables have been around

1142
01:26:21.439 --> 01:26:26.359
for years and years and years,
and I think the problem came when they

1143
01:26:26.399 --> 01:26:30.359
were allowed to be used on school
lunch menus. Suddenly they started doing all

1144
01:26:30.439 --> 01:26:36.520
this this testing and I haven't been
able to find a peer review of the

1145
01:26:36.640 --> 01:26:43.239
review. But my question is,
you're looking at processed ham, you're looking

1146
01:26:43.279 --> 01:26:45.159
at crackers, and you're looking at
cheese, Where the hell is all the

1147
01:26:45.239 --> 01:26:50.680
lead coming from? And how were
they ever allowed to be sold with the

1148
01:26:50.720 --> 01:26:55.520
amount of lead that they're claiming is
in there now. Granted, they're using

1149
01:26:55.680 --> 01:27:02.000
California standards for these things, so
therein itself is a problem. You know,

1150
01:27:02.119 --> 01:27:05.399
California's got a lot of restrictions on
stuff that nowhere else in the world

1151
01:27:05.560 --> 01:27:10.920
has. But I'm just curious,
between ham, crackers, and cheese,

1152
01:27:11.600 --> 01:27:14.600
how this high lead content could be
there. And I'm wondering if it's in

1153
01:27:14.680 --> 01:27:17.680
the packaging yeah, not product.
See get I get what you're saying about

1154
01:27:17.720 --> 01:27:21.000
the packaging, but this is where
you get BPA and you know all these

1155
01:27:21.119 --> 01:27:25.720
kind of leeching things that get from
the plastic into the food. And I

1156
01:27:25.880 --> 01:27:28.800
understand that, and I feel you
on that. I'm not saying you're wrong,

1157
01:27:29.319 --> 01:27:32.279
but you know what the primary problem
is. I'm willing to bet if

1158
01:27:32.359 --> 01:27:38.520
somebody really takes a good look at
this, notice that Okay, your processed

1159
01:27:38.560 --> 01:27:42.680
ham, your processed cheese, your
processed crackers. What is the one element

1160
01:27:43.199 --> 01:27:47.359
in the manufacture of all those things
coming together in that package? Is the

1161
01:27:47.520 --> 01:27:51.800
water? Now, if they're using
municipal water supplies that have let in them,

1162
01:27:51.920 --> 01:27:58.600
guess what. Okay, see that's
the other things. But most major

1163
01:27:58.680 --> 01:28:02.600
food processing plays have their own filter
system in place. Yeah, but they

1164
01:28:02.720 --> 01:28:06.960
just don't use tap water. They
use water that's actually processed in the plant

1165
01:28:08.039 --> 01:28:11.119
before they ever start manufacturing the food. Well, you would think, but

1166
01:28:11.319 --> 01:28:15.760
a lot of the packaging that I've
read says we use municipal water sources.

1167
01:28:16.199 --> 01:28:20.439
So now, if you're using a
municipal water source, you know, and

1168
01:28:20.560 --> 01:28:23.600
by the way, in case you
don't know what that means, it's the

1169
01:28:23.720 --> 01:28:30.399
local tap water right to wherever the
hell their factory is. Well, if

1170
01:28:30.479 --> 01:28:34.119
you if your factories in Michigan,
you're gonna expect lead. And that's the

1171
01:28:34.199 --> 01:28:36.680
other thing that came along with the
rundown, right is that. Look,

1172
01:28:38.039 --> 01:28:40.960
let me just read a couple of
headlines out of this thing. I mean

1173
01:28:41.000 --> 01:28:45.720
the top headline, rights as bands
spread, fluoride and drinking water divides communities

1174
01:28:45.760 --> 01:28:49.760
across the US. Okay. New
study estimates disturbing percentages of young children exposed

1175
01:28:49.800 --> 01:28:56.800
to lead in major US cities.
Study finds nearly seventy percent of Chicago's children

1176
01:28:56.960 --> 01:29:02.479
under six are exposed to lead contamina
native drinking water. Consumer Reports investigates spines,

1177
01:29:02.560 --> 01:29:09.039
high levels of lead, and lunchables
toxicologists, nutritionist or excuse me on

1178
01:29:09.199 --> 01:29:14.279
what to know about potential health risks
of lunchables. This is from ABC News

1179
01:29:14.399 --> 01:29:17.760
Food Safety News. By the way, this isn't conspiracy sites. The best,

1180
01:29:18.159 --> 01:29:21.239
Yeah, the best. The biggest
thing I've seen about lunchables is their

1181
01:29:21.319 --> 01:29:26.600
high sodium content. And they are
very high in sodium. But that's in

1182
01:29:26.720 --> 01:29:30.359
your processed ham. You're gonna get
that. But salt is a yes,

1183
01:29:30.520 --> 01:29:33.319
salt is a common element and a
risk element. That's in foods if theress.

1184
01:29:33.439 --> 01:29:38.039
We know this, but lead is
not something you expect in your ham

1185
01:29:38.199 --> 01:29:41.439
and cheese crackers. Okay, like
you said, no so, but but

1186
01:29:41.560 --> 01:29:45.239
again, when you're looking at the
water side by side, Okay, US

1187
01:29:45.319 --> 01:29:50.119
EPA limits toxic chemicals and drinking water
twenty three years after Rob Billet raised the

1188
01:29:50.159 --> 01:29:55.680
alarm. Okay, thirty more drinking
water systems in Rhode Island looks like may

1189
01:29:55.760 --> 01:30:00.359
need to filter out pfas under new
EPA rules. More than six hundred water

1190
01:30:00.439 --> 01:30:06.640
systems reported pfas above new EPA limits. Is yours on our map, and

1191
01:30:06.760 --> 01:30:13.680
that's from USA today. Okay,
reports the number one issue that we're dealing

1192
01:30:13.720 --> 01:30:15.840
with in our state right now is
forever chemicals and PFASs. I mean,

1193
01:30:16.000 --> 01:30:20.159
it's it's right, it's everywhere,
and here we go. Okay, Toxic

1194
01:30:20.239 --> 01:30:26.920
soup experts breakdown. Waste management struggle
faced by rural communities. Okay, that's

1195
01:30:26.960 --> 01:30:30.199
one problem when you got the you
know, you have the landfills nearby,

1196
01:30:30.319 --> 01:30:33.720
and they're out in the rural areas
where nobody pays any attention to them because

1197
01:30:33.760 --> 01:30:38.000
they can't stink up the neighborhood.
But still it's going to leach into your

1198
01:30:38.039 --> 01:30:42.439
water table. Anyway, let's see
environmental racism. Okay, let's skip over

1199
01:30:42.479 --> 01:30:45.960
that, espestos victims, Okay,
skip over that. I mean, just

1200
01:30:46.079 --> 01:30:49.239
keep looking at it. The stuff
that ends up even when they're talking about

1201
01:30:49.279 --> 01:30:55.239
your pet, flea and tick treatments
contained pesticides that end up washing into the

1202
01:30:55.399 --> 01:31:00.640
environment. Here's how that's from the
conversation dot com. My point is that

1203
01:31:01.159 --> 01:31:05.000
there is so much going on with
the water supply and lunchables. The scary

1204
01:31:05.079 --> 01:31:11.079
part is that lunchables are a very, very super common thing that like you

1205
01:31:11.159 --> 01:31:14.960
said, they're in school lunches,
but they're a common I mean for the

1206
01:31:15.039 --> 01:31:18.880
past twenty five years. I would
say they are probably a staple in an

1207
01:31:18.880 --> 01:31:24.039
American kid's diet. There's no parent
that I know, even the most you

1208
01:31:24.119 --> 01:31:27.840
know, veggie headed, what do
they call them, crunchy parents in the

1209
01:31:27.880 --> 01:31:31.000
world. We have all fed our
kids lunchables, thinking well, what's the

1210
01:31:31.079 --> 01:31:35.000
worst that happens here? It's generally
and you know, now they have pizza

1211
01:31:35.079 --> 01:31:39.439
and this and that and the third
thing, but generally it's crackers, some

1212
01:31:39.720 --> 01:31:44.560
sort of meat product like baloney or
ham or you know, something like that.

1213
01:31:44.760 --> 01:31:47.600
Sometimes they have chicken whatever, like
a chicken roll kind of you know,

1214
01:31:47.760 --> 01:31:53.079
slabs, but I mean it's ham, cheese and some sort of meat

1215
01:31:53.119 --> 01:31:55.920
product. And you think to yourself, well, that's just a sandwich on

1216
01:31:56.000 --> 01:31:59.199
a cracker, and that's all there
is to it. It's not that big

1217
01:31:59.279 --> 01:32:02.439
a deal. Yes it's a short
cut. Yes it's lazy parenting, but

1218
01:32:02.560 --> 01:32:04.960
when you're on the go, and
it used to be cheap, by the

1219
01:32:05.000 --> 01:32:08.039
way, I mean, they used
to have these things for about a buck

1220
01:32:08.079 --> 01:32:11.760
of pop and you know when you
got them on sale. Now they're at

1221
01:32:11.800 --> 01:32:15.279
an outrageous price, but I mean
cheap easy. The kids want to eat

1222
01:32:15.319 --> 01:32:17.800
them, and it looks like to
you and your brain, well, look,

1223
01:32:17.840 --> 01:32:21.159
I'm giving them some you know,
some of the fruit and well,

1224
01:32:21.279 --> 01:32:25.239
no excuse me, I'm giving them
some of the bread and cereal group with

1225
01:32:25.319 --> 01:32:28.319
the crackers. I'm giving them some
of the protein with the meat. Right,

1226
01:32:28.680 --> 01:32:30.840
I'm giving them some of their dairy
with the cheese. If I take

1227
01:32:30.920 --> 01:32:34.359
this and I give them an apple, then I've done my job for giving

1228
01:32:34.399 --> 01:32:38.600
them some nutrition at least, and
I didn't have to kill myself to do

1229
01:32:38.720 --> 01:32:42.520
it. And every parent I know
has fed their kids this. Now,

1230
01:32:43.199 --> 01:32:45.319
if you thought for a moment that
you were, you know, going to

1231
01:32:45.319 --> 01:32:47.960
be cramming led down your kid's throat
while you're feeding them. You know,

1232
01:32:48.079 --> 01:32:54.319
the five six hundred lunchables you probably
fed your kid as they grew over there,

1233
01:32:54.439 --> 01:32:57.960
you know, very early years here. I don't know a parent who

1234
01:32:58.000 --> 01:33:00.800
hasn't in America given their kids lunchable. I mean, think about that,

1235
01:33:00.920 --> 01:33:05.680
man, that's ridiculous. It's like
the anyway, when you tell me that

1236
01:33:05.800 --> 01:33:11.920
this stuff is accidental and incidental,
I'm sorry. I can't see it as

1237
01:33:11.960 --> 01:33:15.560
anything other than by design. But
anyway, maybe it's just me and maybe

1238
01:33:15.600 --> 01:33:20.119
I am a conspiracy theorist. What
can I say? But let's get back

1239
01:33:20.199 --> 01:33:24.960
to who we had on the line
and let them talk about what they want

1240
01:33:25.000 --> 01:33:28.600
to talk about. But the lunchable
thing I wanted to bring up, So

1241
01:33:28.840 --> 01:33:32.119
maybe we go back excuse me,
to OJ again or Watergate whatever it's on

1242
01:33:32.239 --> 01:33:38.800
you caller. Now we don't have
to go back on OJ. I got

1243
01:33:38.880 --> 01:33:42.600
cut off a couple of times.
I apologize, no worries. Apparently you

1244
01:33:42.680 --> 01:33:45.439
and somebody else got cut off too
because I saw another caller come up I

1245
01:33:45.479 --> 01:33:50.479
think in New York twice. Now
New York caller call I'll interrupt whoever's talking.

1246
01:33:51.239 --> 01:33:55.159
If you're having trouble getting on,
or you're getting mad because you're waiting.

1247
01:33:55.640 --> 01:33:58.520
I'll even cut off a caller to
make sure the New York caller gets

1248
01:33:58.560 --> 01:34:00.000
on. Whoever you are, I
don't even know who we are, but

1249
01:34:00.079 --> 01:34:04.880
anyway, sorry, please, yeah, no, you can call you can

1250
01:34:04.920 --> 01:34:11.119
cut me off. This is Chris
Graves from Massachusetts. I don't I don't

1251
01:34:11.159 --> 01:34:15.119
necessarily believe in the OJ conspiracy.
I was just wondering what everyone on the

1252
01:34:15.560 --> 01:34:20.880
panel thought about that conspiracy. I
didn't really put much shock in it,

1253
01:34:21.039 --> 01:34:27.720
but some people do. Some people, some people are seriously convinced that there

1254
01:34:27.800 --> 01:34:30.920
is a guy who I consider very
smart, a friend of mine even still

1255
01:34:31.520 --> 01:34:35.319
uh coincidentally from New York. But
I know that's not Who's calling me is

1256
01:34:35.640 --> 01:34:42.720
Pierce Redmond, who believes that OJ's
innocent. Uh you know I. I

1257
01:34:43.880 --> 01:34:48.600
yeah, he's pretty well known.
Yeah yeah, I mean Pierce believes it.

1258
01:34:49.159 --> 01:34:53.720
I and I. It's one of
our weird little conversations every now and

1259
01:34:53.760 --> 01:34:55.680
then. It's the point that we
make where it's like, yeah, well,

1260
01:34:55.720 --> 01:34:57.800
look, I can agree with you
on one hundred things, but dude,

1261
01:34:58.039 --> 01:35:00.479
you know OJ innocent. Sorry,
dude, come on, come on

1262
01:35:00.680 --> 01:35:05.439
really and no he thinks so he
does. Yeah, So anyway, sorry,

1263
01:35:05.479 --> 01:35:09.640
God, I only wish no,
no, no, that's fine.

1264
01:35:09.680 --> 01:35:14.520
No. I only wish that the
late great Norm McDonald was around, was

1265
01:35:15.239 --> 01:35:18.039
still alive to be on a comment
on OJ's death, because he had quite

1266
01:35:18.079 --> 01:35:24.319
a bit to say when OJ was
alive. But I know Jimmy James brought

1267
01:35:24.399 --> 01:35:29.720
up the late Dorothy Hunt. I
did a little bit of research on Dorothy

1268
01:35:29.840 --> 01:35:33.479
Hunt's plane crash, and I don't
know if this is just you know,

1269
01:35:34.920 --> 01:35:40.840
total conspiracy, you know, central
when it comes to her plane crash.

1270
01:35:40.960 --> 01:35:45.439
But I thought she had like one
hundred thousand dollars in a briefcase. I'm

1271
01:35:45.479 --> 01:35:48.920
not sure if that's true or not. It might have been to ten thousand.

1272
01:35:49.039 --> 01:35:55.199
But there was also some weird stuff
around her crash where there may have

1273
01:35:55.279 --> 01:36:00.840
been some evidence that there were local
police and FBI agents in the neighborhood surrounding

1274
01:36:01.000 --> 01:36:05.000
the plane crash too. I don't
know if anyone else on the panel had

1275
01:36:05.079 --> 01:36:11.039
heard about that. I sent that
information that I was able to find very

1276
01:36:11.119 --> 01:36:15.880
little because it was in the early
seventies, but I was able to send

1277
01:36:15.000 --> 01:36:19.800
some of that information to someone like
Donald Jeffries, who writes books about this

1278
01:36:19.960 --> 01:36:26.920
kind of these kinds of things,
and has anyone else heard the rumors of

1279
01:36:27.239 --> 01:36:33.119
possible for knowledge of this pane crash
of Dorothy Hunting. Yeah, I've heard

1280
01:36:33.159 --> 01:36:39.239
about this. I'm actually fairly convinced
that there was people on the scene a

1281
01:36:39.319 --> 01:36:45.960
little too quickly. I'm familiar with
the evidence about that, And yeah,

1282
01:36:45.119 --> 01:36:50.399
it does seem rather rather fast on
the response as far as the locals getting

1283
01:36:50.399 --> 01:36:55.199
there, Okay, I'm not saying
they were waiting on the site, just

1284
01:36:55.359 --> 01:36:58.439
me. So. Yeah, so
you are familiar with that, Okay,

1285
01:36:58.520 --> 01:37:00.960
Yeah, I'm familiar with that,
and I'm familiar with the allegations that there

1286
01:37:01.039 --> 01:37:05.960
was more money. But what I
know that was found that was inventory is

1287
01:37:06.079 --> 01:37:11.720
that ten grand? Now is there
more? Was there more? Could there

1288
01:37:11.800 --> 01:37:14.960
have been more? I mean,
even if you don't think that somebody stole

1289
01:37:15.039 --> 01:37:17.239
it or was trying to cover something
up or anything else, it's very possible

1290
01:37:17.279 --> 01:37:23.279
there was more money. But was
it ever found? Nobody has ever come

1291
01:37:23.439 --> 01:37:27.960
forward with any proof that any more
than that ten grand was found, that

1292
01:37:28.319 --> 01:37:31.920
that much, as far as I
know, Chuck, have you heard he

1293
01:37:32.199 --> 01:37:41.399
has bt or yourself heard from Saint
John Hunt about his mother's death. I

1294
01:37:41.520 --> 01:37:45.359
never got into that with the email
exchanges that I had with Saint John Hunt,

1295
01:37:45.439 --> 01:37:49.439
I never got into his mother's death, so I not directly know.

1296
01:37:50.479 --> 01:37:54.560
But b Pete, have you ever
heard from Saint John Hunt about his mother's

1297
01:37:54.600 --> 01:38:00.439
death? No, Saint John Hunt
is one of those peripheral individuals I've not

1298
01:38:00.640 --> 01:38:04.880
really followed up on because I've not
really heard them say anything that I thought

1299
01:38:05.000 --> 01:38:12.359
was credible. Well, he got
nasty with me on Facebook, and I

1300
01:38:12.479 --> 01:38:15.239
was having an email conversation with him, but he got nasty with me on

1301
01:38:15.319 --> 01:38:21.399
Facebook because I knew the name directly
of somebody that had had sold him something.

1302
01:38:24.319 --> 01:38:29.159
Okay, And that ended the conversation
because he got really nasty with me

1303
01:38:29.359 --> 01:38:31.039
and got kind of personal, and
I said, look, I don't want

1304
01:38:31.079 --> 01:38:33.479
to get personal about this. I
said, you know, but I've looked

1305
01:38:33.520 --> 01:38:39.159
into you enough to know this,
you know, so take it easy.

1306
01:38:39.399 --> 01:38:42.439
And that ended our conversation, honestly. And I wanted to talk to him

1307
01:38:42.439 --> 01:38:45.840
about his father. I didn't ask
him about his mother. Yeah, because

1308
01:38:45.880 --> 01:38:49.960
when I contacted him, he wanted
an appearance see and I said, I'm

1309
01:38:50.039 --> 01:38:55.119
just doing basic research, so I
don't have a budget or anything and he

1310
01:38:55.199 --> 01:38:59.279
got nasty with me. Yeah,
that's that's another thing. I think,

1311
01:39:00.159 --> 01:39:03.640
you know, to do a remote. I'm thinking it was either I think

1312
01:39:03.680 --> 01:39:08.760
it was five hundred bucks, like
basically to do a call hit. Yep,

1313
01:39:09.720 --> 01:39:13.359
yeah, that's what he wanted to
five hundred dollars to me too.

1314
01:39:13.640 --> 01:39:15.319
Yes, see, No, that's
that that linees up. Yeah, No,

1315
01:39:15.560 --> 01:39:19.520
Chris, Chris knows that's exactly what
he wanted, five hundred bucks.

1316
01:39:19.760 --> 01:39:24.399
So I guarantee you when he went
on road, when he went on Jesse

1317
01:39:24.560 --> 01:39:28.319
Ventura's show, I promise you somebody
wrote him a check for five hundred bucks

1318
01:39:28.359 --> 01:39:31.560
because that's what he wanted. And
he even referenced the fact that that was

1319
01:39:31.640 --> 01:39:36.079
the standard fee that the National Inquirer
paid people, which is also true when

1320
01:39:36.119 --> 01:39:40.439
you got a feature story in the
National Inquirer, whether they came to interview

1321
01:39:40.520 --> 01:39:44.039
you or you wrote it yourself.
Uh, and you were, you know,

1322
01:39:44.159 --> 01:39:47.479
some sort of exclusive for them,
even if it wasn't their you know,

1323
01:39:47.520 --> 01:39:51.520
their front page. They they the
five hundred bucks was the standard amount,

1324
01:39:51.560 --> 01:39:55.800
and that's where he got that five
hundred dollars figure from. Uh.

1325
01:39:55.880 --> 01:39:59.520
And that's what he requested for for
doing a remote, for doing a phone

1326
01:39:59.560 --> 01:40:04.279
call five hundred dollars. That's the
same amount that's Suttering John wants two five

1327
01:40:04.359 --> 01:40:08.800
hundred dollars, which I always found
funny. Well, he didn't charge me,

1328
01:40:08.880 --> 01:40:13.039
Stuttering John to come on my show. He was promoting that book,

1329
01:40:13.520 --> 01:40:16.000
and he did not charge me.
Yeah, but I'm gonna have to start

1330
01:40:16.079 --> 01:40:20.680
looking into co host fees. Yes, sure, listen, if you can

1331
01:40:20.720 --> 01:40:25.119
get paid, I mean, you
know, tell him for a minor additional

1332
01:40:25.199 --> 01:40:28.840
fee. Whatever you get for a
minor additional fee, maybe I'll join you.

1333
01:40:28.840 --> 01:40:31.039
You know, tell them, hey, I'll you know, I'll get

1334
01:40:31.079 --> 01:40:33.760
you a pair for a discount.
What do you think you know? I

1335
01:40:33.840 --> 01:40:38.039
mean, let's just say you get
I mean theoretically, I'm not saying put

1336
01:40:38.079 --> 01:40:40.119
this price tag on it. But
if you can get one hundred bucks,

1337
01:40:40.760 --> 01:40:43.479
tell him for I don't know,
one hundred and fifty, I'll get you

1338
01:40:43.600 --> 01:40:45.199
two guys. What do you think
you know? What I'm saying, like,

1339
01:40:45.319 --> 01:40:50.279
Well, it's with all these people
on the periphery of history. I

1340
01:40:50.359 --> 01:40:56.880
mean, Saint John Hunt, regardless
of the stories that he's got about his

1341
01:40:57.119 --> 01:41:00.920
dad, was on the outside.
And I would think that, you know,

1342
01:41:01.079 --> 01:41:04.279
if he wrote a book and he
wanted to promote his book or something

1343
01:41:04.399 --> 01:41:09.199
like that. He'd be willing to
come on something, but just to pay

1344
01:41:09.359 --> 01:41:16.800
somebody five hundred bucks who really has
no claim to history whatsoever. It just

1345
01:41:16.880 --> 01:41:23.640
seems ridiculous to me that organizations would
pay that to someone who's so far out

1346
01:41:23.840 --> 01:41:28.119
on the periphery that you really have
to question anything that they tell you.

1347
01:41:28.319 --> 01:41:30.439
Well, he's gotten it. It's
more amazing. Well, but then again,

1348
01:41:30.479 --> 01:41:34.239
I don't blame Yeah, my whole
thing was to talk to him about

1349
01:41:34.279 --> 01:41:40.439
his mother and not even his father, his mother's death. Yeah, yeah,

1350
01:41:40.479 --> 01:41:43.560
but the thing is on a five
hundred dollars No, it's five hundred

1351
01:41:43.560 --> 01:41:45.279
bucks. But look, I don't
blame a guy for saying, you know

1352
01:41:45.399 --> 01:41:47.800
what, if they're going to pay
me, I'll pay me. You know,

1353
01:41:47.880 --> 01:41:49.760
I mean, get what you can
get. I mean, I don't

1354
01:41:49.760 --> 01:41:54.680
even mind these guys who do the
cameos. You know about cameo right Vpe,

1355
01:41:55.760 --> 01:41:58.319
Like, there's a lot of people
on there that we can pay you

1356
01:41:58.399 --> 01:42:01.880
know, a few dollars and they'll
re cord a video message. Generally,

1357
01:42:01.960 --> 01:42:05.159
it's like, you know, you
want some celebrity to give you a personalized

1358
01:42:05.239 --> 01:42:10.239
birthday message or whatever. You know, here's a fee, and there's people

1359
01:42:10.319 --> 01:42:13.039
on there as low as twenty five
dollars, and then there's people on there

1360
01:42:13.079 --> 01:42:16.000
for twenty five hundred dollars, you
know, of all sorts of different levels

1361
01:42:16.039 --> 01:42:20.720
of fame. I actually considered paying
what was that guy's name, that was

1362
01:42:20.920 --> 01:42:27.279
Trump's guy for a little bit mooch, the mooch the what was his name,

1363
01:42:27.840 --> 01:42:30.920
Scaramucci, That's what it was,
scaramo. I'm trying to remember the

1364
01:42:30.000 --> 01:42:33.800
Italian name there, but remember the
Scaramucci showed up and he was the press

1365
01:42:33.840 --> 01:42:39.199
secretary for a minute, yeah,
about five seconds. Yeah, I was

1366
01:42:39.279 --> 01:42:42.920
gonna pay him like one hundred bucks
just to like, I don't know,

1367
01:42:43.159 --> 01:42:46.039
like just throw a bunch of insults
at me. I thought that would have

1368
01:42:46.079 --> 01:42:49.359
been funny. But you know,
but I never have that kind of money

1369
01:42:49.359 --> 01:42:51.600
to blow on something like that,
So I didn't do it. But he's

1370
01:42:51.680 --> 01:42:57.119
up there on cameo. It's a
yeah cameo dot com. I think you

1371
01:42:57.199 --> 01:43:00.319
can hire different different levels of celebrity, all sorts. Uh, wrestlers,

1372
01:43:00.359 --> 01:43:08.000
you name it to thirty dollars,
Yeah, I mean we're gonna have to.

1373
01:43:08.119 --> 01:43:12.159
I'most start promoting myself as the most
famous non famous co host in the

1374
01:43:12.199 --> 01:43:15.600
world and you want me, it's
gonna cost you hundred bucks. Sure listen,

1375
01:43:15.680 --> 01:43:16.680
if you can get it, get
it. What can I tell you?

1376
01:43:18.000 --> 01:43:21.000
I mean great, Like I said, I mean, but Chuck,

1377
01:43:21.399 --> 01:43:28.039
I thought it was very odd that
he wouldn't want to talk about his mother's

1378
01:43:28.159 --> 01:43:33.640
death and anyone that may have evidence
that would show some kind of form.

1379
01:43:33.960 --> 01:43:39.439
I know, this goes into conspiracy
theory like in the trenches or whatever,

1380
01:43:39.560 --> 01:43:44.560
but there was evidence that was there
was some kind of four knowledge that that

1381
01:43:44.680 --> 01:43:48.760
there were you know, FBI agents
in local cops in the area that were

1382
01:43:49.199 --> 01:43:55.680
like almost as if they were real, they were aligned to where the plane

1383
01:43:55.720 --> 01:44:00.640
would crash. Well, yeah,
that sounds yeah, no, it does.

1384
01:44:00.560 --> 01:44:04.399
Look I'm not saying that I could
definitively say that that's what happened,

1385
01:44:04.439 --> 01:44:10.319
but it looks like there were FBI
guys and cops you know, that were

1386
01:44:10.359 --> 01:44:15.600
basically told, look, gather together
and be prepared because somewhere in this general

1387
01:44:15.680 --> 01:44:19.680
area, very soon, Dorothy Hunt's
plane is going to go down. It

1388
01:44:19.800 --> 01:44:25.359
does seem like they arrived fast enough
that somebody would have had to have told

1389
01:44:25.399 --> 01:44:30.600
him that because they were right on
the How old was he when his mother

1390
01:44:30.760 --> 01:44:32.920
died? Oh? I'm not sure, you know, I think he's somewhere

1391
01:44:33.000 --> 01:44:35.600
near my age, but he might
be older. Let me let me take

1392
01:44:35.600 --> 01:44:41.159
a look at that. Yeah,
look at his age. I think he

1393
01:44:41.359 --> 01:44:45.399
was a young child, b Pete. Like, I think he had to

1394
01:44:45.479 --> 01:44:49.079
be. He had to be young
because I was twelve and seventy two.

1395
01:44:49.479 --> 01:44:53.640
He may be in a position where
he doesn't really know that much about his

1396
01:44:53.800 --> 01:44:59.720
mother's not. Well. Here,
here's the deal. He was apparently eighteen

1397
01:45:00.039 --> 01:45:02.000
in nineteen seventy two, So I
was off on that he was eighteen in

1398
01:45:02.079 --> 01:45:04.920
nineteen seventy two. Really, so
he was an adult, Okay, I

1399
01:45:05.039 --> 01:45:09.159
thought he was like five. No, he was. See, he was

1400
01:45:09.239 --> 01:45:15.479
a teenager helping his father dispose of
evidence, and the evidence he claims was

1401
01:45:15.520 --> 01:45:18.399
part of the Watergate thing. Uh. And I believe that story that he

1402
01:45:18.520 --> 01:45:20.720
tells about that, and he was
a teenager at the time, so it

1403
01:45:20.760 --> 01:45:25.680
makes sense. But in seventy it
says in the summer of nineteen seventy two,

1404
01:45:25.720 --> 01:45:30.720
Saint John Hunt was eighteen years old
living in Washington, d C.

1405
01:45:30.960 --> 01:45:33.960
On June seventeen, his father,
E. Howard hud came bursting into Yeah,

1406
01:45:34.000 --> 01:45:38.279
here we go, there's this whole
story about you know, him showing

1407
01:45:38.359 --> 01:45:42.039
up and being like, you got
to help me with stuff, and he's

1408
01:45:42.119 --> 01:45:45.560
and you know the other thing about
him is he was a musician and not

1409
01:45:45.760 --> 01:45:50.880
really making it. Yeah, so
I think he was under the impression that

1410
01:45:51.000 --> 01:45:56.359
once he got out there with his
you know, father's deathbed confession, that

1411
01:45:56.479 --> 01:46:00.159
it was going to help propel his
musical career. And and even with that,

1412
01:46:00.439 --> 01:46:02.880
nobody really picked up on it much. I mean, there was like

1413
01:46:03.000 --> 01:46:06.920
a brief time when people booked him
in some clubs and things like, hey,

1414
01:46:08.000 --> 01:46:12.319
come see Saint John Hunt. But
it was around like two thousand and

1415
01:46:12.359 --> 01:46:15.439
five, right, And it wasn't
even the real deathbake confession either, because

1416
01:46:15.640 --> 01:46:19.560
he ended up living for like another
year, right, more than a year.

1417
01:46:20.239 --> 01:46:24.039
Yeah, I mean, yeah,
we could look it up and I'll

1418
01:46:24.039 --> 01:46:26.760
get you a timeframe, but I'm
sure he lived a couple of years longer

1419
01:46:26.800 --> 01:46:29.560
than that. It wasn't like he
died even a year later. Stone claimed

1420
01:46:29.600 --> 01:46:31.600
it was a deathbake confession. It
was like two thousand and four, two

1421
01:46:31.600 --> 01:46:35.880
thousand and five, and that was
not correct, right at all. Yeah,

1422
01:46:36.000 --> 01:46:39.399
e Howard Hunt, let me just
take a little bit, paid quite

1423
01:46:39.439 --> 01:46:45.239
a bit for that. Yeah,
what was the what exactly was the confession?

1424
01:46:45.840 --> 01:46:50.159
Well, according to these you know
tapes that he was releasing pieces of

1425
01:46:50.319 --> 01:46:55.199
at a time, right, Uh, he's laying out this, this whole

1426
01:46:55.279 --> 01:46:58.359
thing, Hunt is laying out.
Howard Hunt is laying out. Well,

1427
01:46:59.000 --> 01:47:01.640
I knew this guy, and he
knew this guy, and these guys were

1428
01:47:01.720 --> 01:47:09.159
working with LBJ directly. And this
is why. Uh cord Meyer, I

1429
01:47:09.239 --> 01:47:13.520
remember cord Meyer was a central figure. Uh you know Mary Meyer's husband.

1430
01:47:13.840 --> 01:47:16.520
Wasn't the chuck wasn't the code word
the big wedding? Or was it the

1431
01:47:16.560 --> 01:47:19.199
big Muhammad on him? I getting
that mixed up with nine to eleven.

1432
01:47:19.279 --> 01:47:23.800
It was like something like the Big
Wedding, the big event, the big

1433
01:47:23.880 --> 01:47:28.720
event is what it was. Yeah, because what Judas Baker was harping on

1434
01:47:28.960 --> 01:47:32.600
that, she she told everybody that
that was the cats phrase long before you

1435
01:47:32.680 --> 01:47:36.800
know Howard Hunt, Well, Howard
Hunts kept using the phrase the big Event.

1436
01:47:38.000 --> 01:47:40.520
But I don't think it was a
code name. It's just the thing

1437
01:47:40.600 --> 01:47:45.279
that he was saying about. It
was this. Yeah you know, tried

1438
01:47:45.319 --> 01:47:48.239
to twist it into the secret code. Yeah, well he did, and

1439
01:47:48.399 --> 01:47:51.239
she did twisted it into this is
the code word. But no, it

1440
01:47:51.359 --> 01:47:55.199
was just like the big event.
I got that wrong. Then, No,

1441
01:47:55.359 --> 01:47:58.359
it's the big event, is what
it was. I remember that that

1442
01:47:58.479 --> 01:48:00.640
was the big event, the big
event, and I'm going big deal,

1443
01:48:00.840 --> 01:48:03.560
the big event. That's nothing.
That's not a code word, you know.

1444
01:48:04.640 --> 01:48:08.960
Let's see. But I think it
kind of got lost in the shuffle

1445
01:48:09.079 --> 01:48:12.920
because I think they tried to say
that nine this September eleven, two thousand

1446
01:48:12.920 --> 01:48:15.520
and one. The code word that
Osama was using to his mother on the

1447
01:48:15.600 --> 01:48:18.800
phone was like the big wedding or
the big event too, so it kind

1448
01:48:18.800 --> 01:48:21.680
of blurred the line. Yeah,
there was something about a wedding, right

1449
01:48:21.960 --> 01:48:27.439
at some point, people were talking
about a wedding on September eleventh, and

1450
01:48:28.439 --> 01:48:33.119
that may have indeed been a code
that was being discussed between people. You

1451
01:48:33.199 --> 01:48:38.239
know that. But that's a little
different. Let's see. He began to

1452
01:48:38.279 --> 01:48:40.800
write it down, the names of
the men who participated, blah blah.

1453
01:48:41.039 --> 01:48:46.000
I'm trying to look for exactly when
it happened. Let's see, this is

1454
01:48:46.039 --> 01:48:51.000
the Rolling when everyone but Rolling Stone
and in the media tried to claim that

1455
01:48:51.279 --> 01:48:56.119
e Howard Hunt it was a deathbed
confession. And like you said, he

1456
01:48:56.239 --> 01:49:00.640
didn't die for another year and he
really didn't reveal that much in that tape,

1457
01:49:01.039 --> 01:49:03.479
right, I mean it was really
strong. Well, but that's the

1458
01:49:03.560 --> 01:49:08.600
thing is that see Saint John was
going around saying, well, look I

1459
01:49:08.680 --> 01:49:15.039
got more tape and I'll release it
all. Yeah, that's the thing.

1460
01:49:15.079 --> 01:49:19.000
I think he didn't. But he
was showing you selected pieces of this video

1461
01:49:19.119 --> 01:49:25.079
and playing the audio on like Coast
to Coast AM and all that. Yeah,

1462
01:49:25.199 --> 01:49:28.479
you know, for like a year
and with Jesse Ventura. Jesse Ventura

1463
01:49:28.680 --> 01:49:30.079
was the big draw for that whole
thing, right, and then he got

1464
01:49:30.159 --> 01:49:36.199
on that show Conspiracy Theory. Sorry, but what specifically was the confession that

1465
01:49:36.439 --> 01:49:45.880
somebody specifically was involved or or what
exactly Howard hunt was like, he was

1466
01:49:45.960 --> 01:49:50.119
pretty Howard Hunting pretty much was he
pretty much lost his mind by that point,

1467
01:49:50.239 --> 01:49:54.600
right, He was like in almost
ninety and he was trying to claim

1468
01:49:54.680 --> 01:49:58.199
that he was a part of this
big operation and there was no way to

1469
01:49:58.279 --> 01:50:00.760
really substantiate that, right John.
Well, yeah, it was like,

1470
01:50:00.840 --> 01:50:02.600
look, I was a part of
this thing, but I was on the

1471
01:50:02.680 --> 01:50:06.800
periphery of it. And here's the
real players, here's how the organization was

1472
01:50:06.880 --> 01:50:11.600
laid out, et cetera, et
cetera. And he was born in nineteen

1473
01:50:11.680 --> 01:50:15.560
eighteen, and uh, let's see, he was died in two thousand and

1474
01:50:15.720 --> 01:50:19.479
seven, so yeah, so he
was Let's see, now, if he

1475
01:50:19.479 --> 01:50:21.880
would have made it to twenty eighteen, then he would have been one hundred

1476
01:50:21.920 --> 01:50:26.960
years old, so eleven years shy
that so he's like eighty nine years old.

1477
01:50:27.079 --> 01:50:30.479
He had had an amputation. I
think he's missing one one leg at

1478
01:50:30.520 --> 01:50:33.680
this point, right, and he
is in a hospital bed and I think

1479
01:50:33.800 --> 01:50:38.199
was suffering them from pneumonia that they
thought he wasn't going to recover from,

1480
01:50:39.439 --> 01:50:43.600
and he did, is the thing. So when did that happen? The

1481
01:50:43.720 --> 01:50:46.880
actually name names? Yeah, like
I said, cord Meyer was a big

1482
01:50:47.000 --> 01:50:51.880
name in there. You know,
he mentioned LBJ. But that's that's an

1483
01:50:51.920 --> 01:50:58.520
easygo too though. Yeah, yeah, LBJ and a bunch of people.

1484
01:50:58.720 --> 01:51:01.039
It's like, you know, this
mix that you could sort of make a

1485
01:51:02.079 --> 01:51:04.720
family tree out of it if you
wanted to, and say, this person

1486
01:51:04.840 --> 01:51:09.840
leads to this person, who leads
to that person. Here's your CIA liaison,

1487
01:51:10.359 --> 01:51:14.880
here's your military people UK At that
point that all these characters were already

1488
01:51:14.960 --> 01:51:18.239
named for like ears by that point, so anyone could have told I Howard

1489
01:51:18.319 --> 01:51:26.520
Hunt on his on his so called
deathbed and it's like there's no way to

1490
01:51:26.600 --> 01:51:30.520
really substantiate it. Right, Well, there's that, plus the hints from

1491
01:51:30.600 --> 01:51:32.960
the way that Hunt was saying this. I mean, it sounded to me,

1492
01:51:33.199 --> 01:51:36.319
and this is the impression I got. It sounded to me as if

1493
01:51:36.560 --> 01:51:41.479
somebody said, look, how would
you write this spy novel if you were

1494
01:51:41.520 --> 01:51:45.119
to use real people, and how
would you write, you know, the

1495
01:51:45.520 --> 01:51:49.960
spy novelization of JFK's murder. Well, here's how I would do it.

1496
01:51:50.079 --> 01:51:53.720
And here's how I would do this, because if you listen to the phrases

1497
01:51:54.319 --> 01:51:58.880
in some of this stuff, it's
clearly a speculation or something that he's putting

1498
01:51:58.960 --> 01:52:02.680
together that isn't like matter of fact. Some of it he uses he says

1499
01:52:02.760 --> 01:52:06.399
things matter of factly. But then
again, if you start telling a story

1500
01:52:06.560 --> 01:52:10.640
and you say, okay, let's
see youorize together and figure out how this

1501
01:52:10.800 --> 01:52:14.680
could work, somebody might say,
well, this guy definitely kills this guy,

1502
01:52:15.279 --> 01:52:16.439
so you know, but that doesn't
mean that he did it. It

1503
01:52:16.600 --> 01:52:19.760
just means that, in my scenario, this is the way this would work.

1504
01:52:20.520 --> 01:52:26.119
And it almost sounded like he was
laying out a scenario. And I

1505
01:52:26.199 --> 01:52:30.279
have been told by more than one
person that that was literally him laying out

1506
01:52:30.920 --> 01:52:33.920
a book that it was meant to
be a book. One of those things

1507
01:52:36.319 --> 01:52:42.319
he pulled an OJ with a if
I did it book long before OJ came

1508
01:52:42.479 --> 01:52:49.560
up with an if I did it
book? Yeah, basically because he because

1509
01:52:50.279 --> 01:52:54.960
I'm not saying his son did it, but anyone could have went into his

1510
01:52:55.159 --> 01:52:59.920
hospital or room and said him this
stuff because it was already like part of

1511
01:53:00.119 --> 01:53:06.840
the quote unquote official conspiracy theory.
So just having him on audio tape,

1512
01:53:06.920 --> 01:53:10.319
people gonna people are going to be
like, oh, we could take this

1513
01:53:10.479 --> 01:53:14.319
to the bank. Yeah. And
at this point in time, he was

1514
01:53:14.439 --> 01:53:16.520
almost ninety, right, Chuck,
Well, he was already very sick.

1515
01:53:16.600 --> 01:53:20.600
What was going on is his family, different elements of his family, uh,

1516
01:53:20.640 --> 01:53:25.840
because he had, you know,
kids after his family with Dorothy,

1517
01:53:25.920 --> 01:53:29.840
I think, And what was going
on is he had different elements of his

1518
01:53:29.960 --> 01:53:32.840
family arguing whoever who needs to take
care of him. So at this point

1519
01:53:32.920 --> 01:53:38.439
when this tape is made, Saint
John and that contingent of the Hunt family

1520
01:53:39.159 --> 01:53:45.199
has him, I think he was
at that point arguing with his sister who's

1521
01:53:45.279 --> 01:53:47.880
named Kevin. If I'm correct about
this, I think he's got a sister

1522
01:53:48.000 --> 01:53:54.520
named Kevin, and I think she
was It's a male name, but it's

1523
01:53:54.560 --> 01:53:58.680
a it's a woman. And no, there's no transgenderism here. It's just

1524
01:53:58.840 --> 01:54:04.359
an odd name. I think Kevin
Hunt. I want to say it anyway.

1525
01:54:04.359 --> 01:54:06.560
I'm looking it up just to make
sure I'm right about this. But

1526
01:54:06.720 --> 01:54:12.159
Kevin, Kevin Hunt, I'm pretty
you name your son Saint John Kevin is

1527
01:54:12.239 --> 01:54:15.439
not too surprising for your daughter.
Yeah, so right, I believe it's

1528
01:54:15.520 --> 01:54:19.359
Kevin. Anyway, Kevin Hunt was
arguing with Saint John because she was saying

1529
01:54:19.359 --> 01:54:25.319
that Saint John wasn't responsible enough to
take care of their father. That kind

1530
01:54:25.319 --> 01:54:29.439
of thing was going on. Uh
so you know there's and that's a typical

1531
01:54:29.520 --> 01:54:31.840
family dispute. So I know that
was happening. And during this, this

1532
01:54:32.119 --> 01:54:38.680
is when Saint John has him on
video and later plays audio for people from

1533
01:54:38.760 --> 01:54:43.079
the video of his father in you
know, in a hospital bed at home,

1534
01:54:44.880 --> 01:54:46.800
and this is what's going on.
That's what was on. That's what

1535
01:54:47.079 --> 01:54:51.359
was on Jesse Ventura's conspiracy theory was
that video you're talking about, right,

1536
01:54:51.479 --> 01:54:56.199
They used part of it on there, but most places, even on conspiracy

1537
01:54:56.279 --> 01:54:59.279
theory, I think they used the
audio from it instead of the video for

1538
01:54:59.399 --> 01:55:03.359
some reason. And he went on
yeah, at the end of the episode,

1539
01:55:03.640 --> 01:55:06.680
yeah right, And he even went
on Coast to Coast a m and

1540
01:55:06.800 --> 01:55:11.399
they played portions of it, saying, look, this is a very serious

1541
01:55:11.439 --> 01:55:14.960
clip. And like I said,
he was repeating a lot of names over

1542
01:55:15.000 --> 01:55:16.840
and over again, and it was
like, uh, he was talking about

1543
01:55:16.880 --> 01:55:20.399
how cord Meyer was, you know, pretty much pissed because JFK was banging

1544
01:55:20.479 --> 01:55:26.359
his wife and what and whatnot.
So of course cord Meyer would be happy

1545
01:55:26.399 --> 01:55:30.600
to be in on the conspiracy that
this is according to I Howard hunt right,

1546
01:55:31.079 --> 01:55:33.920
who you know, as you point
out, was rather sickly, was

1547
01:55:34.039 --> 01:55:40.239
rather elderly at this point. And
you know, what did he really mean?

1548
01:55:40.399 --> 01:55:44.439
Was anybody actually questioning him on this? Was he speculating? Was he

1549
01:55:44.600 --> 01:55:46.720
trying to write a new spy novel, you know, one last one before

1550
01:55:46.760 --> 01:55:49.159
he goes, So he's got,
you know, something that's making money for

1551
01:55:49.239 --> 01:55:53.880
the family after he dies. I
mean, there there's a lot in play

1552
01:55:53.960 --> 01:56:00.479
here. You can't substantiate it,
right, No, it's it's not no,

1553
01:56:00.680 --> 01:56:02.880
you can't substand I mean, there's
certain portions of it that makes sense.

1554
01:56:03.279 --> 01:56:08.600
But again, there was the audio. The audio that's a rolling stone

1555
01:56:08.640 --> 01:56:12.520
to come. And but the video, like you're telling me, like you're

1556
01:56:12.600 --> 01:56:16.319
saying, the video did not get
out there that much. It was basically

1557
01:56:16.560 --> 01:56:21.000
just based on the audio, and
he was very sickly based on the audio

1558
01:56:21.520 --> 01:56:28.079
the video that they actually did release
right, right, And as has anybody's

1559
01:56:28.119 --> 01:56:32.760
been able to verify the audio that
that's actually haunts boys? Oh it's him,

1560
01:56:33.560 --> 01:56:38.239
I don't think so, it is
him. I'm certain it's him.

1561
01:56:38.600 --> 01:56:42.399
Yeah, No, I'm certain it's
him. I'm certain that he said a

1562
01:56:42.479 --> 01:56:46.439
lot of this stuff. But as
for the context, as for you know,

1563
01:56:46.960 --> 01:56:50.319
like I said, can anybody prove
to me that this wasn't just let's

1564
01:56:50.359 --> 01:56:55.079
structure a book. No. And
as a matter of fact, again,

1565
01:56:55.319 --> 01:56:59.359
some of the context clues that are
in there are strange. It's not like

1566
01:56:59.560 --> 01:57:02.319
he's telling a story and he's saying
that this is a fact. This is

1567
01:57:02.359 --> 01:57:05.560
a fact. Here's what I'm backing
it up with. Here's why I know

1568
01:57:05.720 --> 01:57:11.399
it all the time. It's weird
little things in there when you listen to

1569
01:57:11.439 --> 01:57:15.159
the clips. But I'm very sure
there's more than one YouTube video on the

1570
01:57:15.199 --> 01:57:18.960
out there that that collected together the
clips, because I know there was like

1571
01:57:19.319 --> 01:57:23.439
a very long one out there a
while ago that had like almost all of

1572
01:57:23.479 --> 01:57:27.960
it together in one place, and
yeah, it was just he was trying

1573
01:57:28.000 --> 01:57:30.600
to sell it. But the problem
is was Saint John Hunt, you don't

1574
01:57:30.640 --> 01:57:36.000
know what you're getting because you don't
know about the ulterior motives right right right,

1575
01:57:36.119 --> 01:57:40.199
And we don't know exactly what he
was trying to do, except he

1576
01:57:40.439 --> 01:57:43.479
was actively trying to sell the story. And there did end up being a

1577
01:57:43.520 --> 01:57:47.079
book out of this whole thing,
but I doubt that that was the ultimate

1578
01:57:47.159 --> 01:57:50.079
goal, you know, to just
get a book out. There was a

1579
01:57:50.119 --> 01:57:55.640
book. Okay, I personally,
I'm like, I've been a researcher for

1580
01:57:55.720 --> 01:57:59.000
a while. I'm not the best
researcher. But there was a book,

1581
01:57:59.279 --> 01:58:04.159
and I didn't I know that?
Do you do? You know? My

1582
01:58:04.359 --> 01:58:08.600
chance? Who wrote the book?
Like I don't mean to put you on

1583
01:58:08.680 --> 01:58:12.000
the spot, but like, what, uh do you know the title?

1584
01:58:12.239 --> 01:58:16.159
Like, because well there is one
book he's always questioning St. John Hunt.

1585
01:58:16.439 --> 01:58:20.920
Yeah, there's there's two books that
purport to be written by Saint John

1586
01:58:21.000 --> 01:58:27.439
Hunt. One of them is called
Dorothy and the other one is uh A

1587
01:58:28.039 --> 01:58:32.680
Bond of Secrecy. Bond of Secrecy
excuse me. Uh, I had to

1588
01:58:32.760 --> 01:58:38.359
think about it. Yeah, Bond
of Secrecy, I think tells a lot

1589
01:58:38.439 --> 01:58:41.439
of the stories about what I was
talking about before, with him destroying evidence

1590
01:58:41.479 --> 01:58:46.079
when he's a teenager and that kind
of thing. The Dorothy thing, obviously

1591
01:58:46.239 --> 01:58:49.119
is supposed to be focused on his
mother. Now, in all fairness,

1592
01:58:49.239 --> 01:58:55.239
I have not read Dorothy, but
I've even heard of it. Okay,

1593
01:58:55.279 --> 01:58:59.119
I'm gonna look it up after the
conversation right now. Yeah, I read

1594
01:58:59.239 --> 01:59:01.560
excerpts from Doing Worthy, but I've
not read the whole book. Okay,

1595
01:59:01.840 --> 01:59:06.800
I'm just saying, just just circling
back to what we were talking about,

1596
01:59:06.880 --> 01:59:11.479
Dorothy's plane crash. Does he go
into that, you know, by a

1597
01:59:11.640 --> 01:59:16.159
chance in the book? Yeah,
because I never heard him come out and

1598
01:59:16.239 --> 01:59:21.800
talk about like that plane crash was
very suspect in my opinion, And maybe

1599
01:59:21.840 --> 01:59:27.920
it's just my conspiracy, timfoil or
whatever, but I haven't heard him talk

1600
01:59:27.960 --> 01:59:32.680
about that, and I'm not saying
he didn't. It's a it's actually I

1601
01:59:33.239 --> 01:59:38.479
first, right now, you're telling
me that there was a book called Dorothy,

1602
01:59:38.800 --> 01:59:41.640
and I got to look that up. Right now. Do you know,

1603
01:59:41.960 --> 01:59:46.640
by any chance if he got into
that, I would assume, and

1604
01:59:46.720 --> 01:59:51.000
maybe I shouldn't assume the plane crash. Yeah he yeah, I happen to

1605
01:59:51.119 --> 01:59:55.439
know, I do happen odd that
you're asking me questions. I actually know

1606
01:59:55.520 --> 02:00:00.399
the answer to tonight, but odds
that it's either in Dorothy or it's in

1607
02:00:00.520 --> 02:00:05.399
a book that he co authored with
Roger Stone, which is uh Rogers,

1608
02:00:06.119 --> 02:00:12.600
Yeah, all right, called oh
God, the Bush Crime Family. That's

1609
02:00:12.640 --> 02:00:16.640
the name of the book, right, the Bush Crime Family with Roger Stone.

1610
02:00:17.840 --> 02:00:25.319
Roger Stone and the Saint John Hunt
are are listed as the co akers.

1611
02:00:25.760 --> 02:00:30.079
As far as roger Stone goes,
I thought roger Stone only went into

1612
02:00:30.319 --> 02:00:34.039
like the Clinton crime family. So
that's the new information that I had no

1613
02:00:34.159 --> 02:00:36.840
idea about. Okay, No,
Roger Stone. A matter of fact,

1614
02:00:36.840 --> 02:00:40.680
that the appointment that he was supposed
to come on my show, he wrote

1615
02:00:40.680 --> 02:00:43.239
a book about Jeb Bush. He's
written books about a lot of stuff.

1616
02:00:43.439 --> 02:00:46.079
The Kennedy assassination. Uh, you
know, he's got a couple of books

1617
02:00:46.119 --> 02:00:51.880
about that. I think he's got
no no I know about that because he

1618
02:00:53.000 --> 02:00:58.319
had the thing with Donald Jefferies doing
the forward for one of his books.

1619
02:00:59.000 --> 02:01:04.720
And I thought that Rogers so only
like concentrated on the uh the Clinton crimes

1620
02:01:04.880 --> 02:01:09.840
against women and things like that.
I didn't know he actually got into the

1621
02:01:11.039 --> 02:01:15.199
George Bush era of that. Well, you know, it depends on how

1622
02:01:15.239 --> 02:01:16.960
you want to look at it.
But there is that book, and I

1623
02:01:17.039 --> 02:01:21.079
can't remember if Saint John Hunt talks
about it in that book or in the

1624
02:01:21.159 --> 02:01:25.319
Dorothy book, but he does cover
the plane crash. It could be in

1625
02:01:25.399 --> 02:01:30.720
both. I haven't read these things
in some years. I don't remember what

1626
02:01:30.840 --> 02:01:33.279
years came. No, No,
I'm glad you brought that up, because

1627
02:01:33.439 --> 02:01:38.840
I thought he only concentrated on the
liberal like Clinton side of things. I

1628
02:01:38.960 --> 02:01:42.760
did not know he went into the
Bush side of things. Well, no,

1629
02:01:42.920 --> 02:01:45.399
I mean and again he was also
attacking Jeb Bush. While Trump was

1630
02:01:45.479 --> 02:01:49.479
running for president. He wrote a
book called Jeb that probably nobody bought because

1631
02:01:49.520 --> 02:01:51.640
who cared. And by the time
he got the book out, I think

1632
02:01:51.720 --> 02:01:56.920
Jeb has had a contention, so
nobody cared. But and I'm guilty of

1633
02:01:57.000 --> 02:02:00.079
that. I'm guilty of that one
hundred percent. I did not know he

1634
02:02:00.119 --> 02:02:02.680
wrote a book about yet. Yeah, I remember, it's got a blue

1635
02:02:02.800 --> 02:02:06.159
cover. They sent me a copy. Skyhorse sent me a copy. This

1636
02:02:06.319 --> 02:02:10.880
is back when I was still on
their good list, so they sent me,

1637
02:02:11.640 --> 02:02:14.279
uh oh no. At the time, Jeb was making the rounds of

1638
02:02:14.359 --> 02:02:17.439
the alternative media with the conspiracy crowd. I remember that whole thing, right

1639
02:02:17.640 --> 02:02:21.239
right, So it just so I
had booked okay, So I booked Roger

1640
02:02:21.279 --> 02:02:27.479
Stone. I had him on about
the Clinton's The Crime Against Women's book,

1641
02:02:29.119 --> 02:02:32.039
and that's a red covered book.
The Jet book was blue had a blue

1642
02:02:32.399 --> 02:02:36.119
themed I can't remember. It was
called in big letters. It said Jet

1643
02:02:36.199 --> 02:02:40.880
bought it, I remember that much. And then my dog got a hold

1644
02:02:40.880 --> 02:02:44.159
of it and started chewing on it. But I was gonna bring him on

1645
02:02:44.199 --> 02:02:46.319
the show to talk about it.
I started reading it and I never got

1646
02:02:46.399 --> 02:02:49.600
to finish it, and then he
stood me up and didn't show up for

1647
02:02:49.720 --> 02:02:54.840
his interview. So that's what happened
there. And then he never returned another

1648
02:02:54.880 --> 02:02:58.439
message that all right, No,
I appreciate you bringing that up because I

1649
02:02:58.880 --> 02:03:01.960
didn't even know it existed. Yeah
you, And like I said, that's

1650
02:03:02.079 --> 02:03:06.279
that's at least two books that I
know of that are are supposed to have

1651
02:03:06.319 --> 02:03:09.800
been written by Saint John Hunt.
Now that doesn't mean that he didn't have

1652
02:03:09.840 --> 02:03:15.079
a ghostwriter or whatever else, but
he's credited with writing the two books and

1653
02:03:15.159 --> 02:03:19.000
then also being a co author with
Roger Stone. There might be another book

1654
02:03:19.079 --> 02:03:25.399
by uh, what's the name there? The same guy who published Judy might

1655
02:03:25.479 --> 02:03:30.399
have actually done another book with him. What is the name of that.

1656
02:03:30.920 --> 02:03:34.279
It's trying Day you're talking about.
Trin Day might have published another book with

1657
02:03:34.359 --> 02:03:38.720
Saint John that's outside or maybe one
of those books is published by Trying Day.

1658
02:03:39.039 --> 02:03:43.560
Look, I can't remember all these
details perfectly, but let me just

1659
02:03:43.640 --> 02:03:45.920
look into that real fast movie.
But you bring it to light because I

1660
02:03:46.039 --> 02:03:51.159
thought he only concentrated on the Clinton
Crimes against the Women book. No,

1661
02:03:51.560 --> 02:03:55.880
No, I don't think it's Bush
crimes against women necessarily. It's probably like

1662
02:03:55.960 --> 02:03:59.680
you know, Bush involved with cocaine
trafficking and stuff like that in the SNLS

1663
02:04:00.239 --> 02:04:01.840
probably, I mean, yeah,
the savings and loans and stuff like that,

1664
02:04:03.479 --> 02:04:10.000
which goes back to which goes back
to the author, not James Hetfield

1665
02:04:10.039 --> 02:04:15.319
from Metallica. But there's another James
Hetfield for Hatfield rather that died weird death

1666
02:04:15.399 --> 02:04:20.039
in like a motel bathroom, I
believe, and he was covering a lot

1667
02:04:20.119 --> 02:04:27.880
of Bush. George Who's cocaine usage
in two thousand and one. I don't

1668
02:04:27.880 --> 02:04:30.960
know if you remember him. I
don't know if that's going off into the

1669
02:04:30.000 --> 02:04:33.680
weeds or not, but no,
I remember that too. It sounds familiar,

1670
02:04:34.159 --> 02:04:38.520
you know what as fortunate Son.
Here's yeah, here's the funny thing.

1671
02:04:38.680 --> 02:04:42.159
As I look up the Dorothy book, it looks like that that one

1672
02:04:42.319 --> 02:04:46.800
is published by Trying Day. And
yeah, and the funny thing is that

1673
02:04:47.319 --> 02:04:54.279
Roger Stone wrote the forward to it, according to Amazon, So here you

1674
02:04:54.359 --> 02:04:59.720
go to the Fortunate to the Fortunate
sonone with James Haffield. No, no,

1675
02:04:59.840 --> 02:05:01.520
no, Dorothy, the book Dorothy
that I brought up to you before,

1676
02:05:02.199 --> 02:05:05.199
do Yeah, I remember, yeah, I remember the book. But

1677
02:05:05.279 --> 02:05:10.159
I decided to look it up to
see and it turns out that that was

1678
02:05:10.199 --> 02:05:12.760
the one that was published by Remember
I said there might be one published by

1679
02:05:12.800 --> 02:05:16.720
trying Day. That one was published
by Trying Day. And also it says

1680
02:05:16.840 --> 02:05:20.239
on the bottom of it that the
forward was written by Roger Stone. So

1681
02:05:20.600 --> 02:05:25.720
that one's called Dorothy and a moral
and Dangerous woman. The murder of E.

1682
02:05:25.840 --> 02:05:30.119
Howard Hunt's wife Watergates darkest Secret guaranteed. The plane crash is covered in

1683
02:05:30.199 --> 02:05:33.239
that. Yeah, so that must
be I figured, Yeah, okay,

1684
02:05:33.479 --> 02:05:35.800
all right, Yeah, that's good
to know. Like I said, I

1685
02:05:35.880 --> 02:05:39.560
mean, I read these things maybe
almost ten years. Yeah. Well it

1686
02:05:39.720 --> 02:05:42.720
says it came out in twenty fifteen, so I probably read it in twenty

1687
02:05:42.800 --> 02:05:46.319
fifteen, you know what I mean? Uh, so they had Saint John's

1688
02:05:46.439 --> 02:05:51.199
participation possibly, Yeah, yeah,
exactly. So the best I can do

1689
02:05:51.359 --> 02:05:55.199
for you, I'm going to look
for that. There you go. So,

1690
02:05:55.640 --> 02:05:58.760
uh didn't mean to take over the
airwaves so much. But yeah,

1691
02:05:59.000 --> 02:06:02.720
a lot a couple of these books
I had heardos and he's probably chilling.

1692
02:06:03.560 --> 02:06:06.079
So I'm going to look into that
now. Yeah, I look at it.

1693
02:06:08.000 --> 02:06:10.079
Let's see. Oh, here's a
funny one too. I look up

1694
02:06:10.119 --> 02:06:15.720
Bond of Secrecy and the forward there
is written by Jesse Ventura of course.

1695
02:06:16.000 --> 02:06:21.079
Okay, all right, yeah,
and curiosity, good, go ahead.

1696
02:06:21.520 --> 02:06:27.239
How old is Jesse Ventura? Now? Wow, Well, he's like seventy

1697
02:06:27.319 --> 02:06:31.159
two or something. No, he's
pretty old because he was kind of an

1698
02:06:31.199 --> 02:06:35.279
older looking dude, I thought in
the late eighties as a wrestler, right,

1699
02:06:36.079 --> 02:06:41.279
I mean, you know, he
wasn't like a spring st steroids in

1700
02:06:41.359 --> 02:06:44.640
the in the hard living. Yeah, but he wasn't a spring chicken.

1701
02:06:44.760 --> 02:06:46.680
And you know in the eighties when
he was like a wrestling announcer. Right,

1702
02:06:46.800 --> 02:06:51.279
I mean, so let's take a
look here, American politician actor.

1703
02:06:51.399 --> 02:06:55.680
Let's just you know, do the
Wikipedia. Look. I think Jesse Ventura

1704
02:06:55.760 --> 02:06:59.720
is almost seventy five. I could
be wrong, but yeah, he's up

1705
02:06:59.760 --> 02:07:06.159
there right now. Yeah, let's
see here. When was he born because

1706
02:07:06.199 --> 02:07:10.359
he went to Vietnam, so like, I think he was born in fifty

1707
02:07:10.399 --> 02:07:15.640
four. I could be wrong.
So my mother is almost seventy and like

1708
02:07:15.760 --> 02:07:19.119
a couple of months, so says
here, jes like seventy two. Yeah,

1709
02:07:19.239 --> 02:07:24.560
he says here, he's seventy two, and he was born in nineteen

1710
02:07:24.880 --> 02:07:29.199
fifty one. I guess. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah,

1711
02:07:29.279 --> 02:07:31.800
I do remember that. Yeah,
so that makes him nine years older than

1712
02:07:31.880 --> 02:07:35.359
me. I'm sixty three, so
yeah, seventy two. Here you go.

1713
02:07:35.680 --> 02:07:40.840
Well that's that's uh yeah in Vietnam, right, good point. You

1714
02:07:40.920 --> 02:07:45.399
remember he used to go on Howard
Stern and he had like American Conspiracies and

1715
02:07:45.520 --> 02:07:49.199
he had like nine to eleven books
in like the late two thousands and everything.

1716
02:07:49.439 --> 02:07:54.199
Yeah. Yeah, But the interesting
part about him, in what my

1717
02:07:54.359 --> 02:07:57.920
mind, it should be easy to
understand his age because my father was born

1718
02:07:57.960 --> 02:08:01.159
in nineteen fifty and also sir to
be no, So that makes perfect sense

1719
02:08:01.239 --> 02:08:05.279
to me. Yeah, he was
born in fifty one, so he's like

1720
02:08:05.359 --> 02:08:09.560
a year younger than my father would
have been. Okay, that makes perfect

1721
02:08:09.600 --> 02:08:13.680
sense. You actually had dealings with
Tyrelly and Jesse, if you don't mind

1722
02:08:13.760 --> 02:08:16.239
me asking, Like I think we
talked about that in the past. Yeah,

1723
02:08:16.279 --> 02:08:20.840
I never never dealt with Jesse.
I did deal with Tyrell briefly,

1724
02:08:20.159 --> 02:08:24.720
but not Jesse. I wanted to
deal with Jesse Venturo wanted him on the

1725
02:08:24.760 --> 02:08:28.640
show, but he was kind of
giving you a hard time rights people like

1726
02:08:28.760 --> 02:08:31.840
I don't know if I'm telling tales
a school here, but he kind of

1727
02:08:31.920 --> 02:08:35.279
gave you a hard time in terms
of like trying to interview him. Yeah.

1728
02:08:35.279 --> 02:08:41.159
Apparently, Yeah, apparently Tyrell had
found that I said something or wasn't.

1729
02:08:41.520 --> 02:08:43.439
I don't know I had done something
wrong according to Tyrell from what I

1730
02:08:43.560 --> 02:08:50.520
understood. But what are you gonna
do? I mean no, But Maria

1731
02:08:50.600 --> 02:08:54.520
Heller she was able to get Jesse
on. He was a very kosher interview

1732
02:08:54.720 --> 02:08:58.279
and pretty pleasant. From what I
remember is going back like ten years,

1733
02:08:58.359 --> 02:09:01.520
well up until very recently. She
was talking to David Ike once a month

1734
02:09:01.600 --> 02:09:05.199
too, And I could never get
David to come on my show. You

1735
02:09:05.239 --> 02:09:07.880
know, just because they go on
with Maria doesn't mean they come on with

1736
02:09:07.000 --> 02:09:11.399
me or vice versa. So you
know, no, and to your credit,

1737
02:09:11.560 --> 02:09:16.279
to your credit, Chuck, David
Ike. From what the last time

1738
02:09:16.399 --> 02:09:22.119
I looked into David Ike, he's
like supporting like Big Farman now apparently,

1739
02:09:22.359 --> 02:09:26.560
like I could be wrong, but
I think he was supporting a lot of

1740
02:09:26.600 --> 02:09:30.720
the COVID drugs and things like that. It could be way off. I

1741
02:09:30.800 --> 02:09:33.239
don't know, you know what I
can't say yes or no to. I

1742
02:09:33.319 --> 02:09:37.920
don't know. I just wanted to
talk to him. You know. Actually

1743
02:09:37.039 --> 02:09:39.920
what I wanted to talk to David
Ike about is really historical, and that

1744
02:09:41.079 --> 02:09:46.960
was more about, you know,
Jordan Maxwell pretty much introducing David Ike to

1745
02:09:46.000 --> 02:09:50.279
America. I wanted to talk to
him about that because that's part of the

1746
02:09:50.359 --> 02:09:56.560
story too. But Jordan's dont Maxwell. No, No, I don't know,

1747
02:09:56.439 --> 02:10:01.399
honestly, Like I used to have
a diferent shows and everything. I

1748
02:10:01.520 --> 02:10:05.880
was a researcher and everything. David
Ike playing a big part in Jordan Maxwell

1749
02:10:07.279 --> 02:10:11.479
like at a certain point, like
this is new information to me. Other

1750
02:10:11.520 --> 02:10:15.319
way around, not knowing that other
way around, Jordans That's what I meant.

1751
02:10:15.560 --> 02:10:18.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Jordan
had kind of introduced David Ike to

1752
02:10:18.960 --> 02:10:22.439
American audiences. Yeah, at a
certain point. Okay, all right,

1753
02:10:22.760 --> 02:10:26.680
I'm not saying he's entirely responsible for
it, but Jordan was either the first

1754
02:10:26.800 --> 02:10:31.279
or one of the first people from
the US to talk to David Ike about

1755
02:10:31.359 --> 02:10:35.600
whatever it was he was doing at
the time. So and I think that

1756
02:10:35.840 --> 02:10:39.479
was. Uh, I might be
way off on this, but I mean,

1757
02:10:39.840 --> 02:10:43.399
I know, I know that that's
true for anyone out there that doesn't

1758
02:10:43.479 --> 02:10:48.199
know, like Jordan Maxwell was a
huge figure, and I ended up I

1759
02:10:48.319 --> 02:10:52.319
don't I still to this day,
did not know the extent of Jordan Maxwell's

1760
02:10:52.399 --> 02:11:00.119
influence in terms of you know,
any he's saying conspiracy research, but like

1761
02:11:00.279 --> 02:11:05.319
alternative history. Yeah. Well look, all I gotta say to some people

1762
02:11:05.319 --> 02:11:07.680
who are deeply read into that stuff
is one thing, and that is that

1763
02:11:07.760 --> 02:11:13.479
he was a personal friend of Manly
P. Hall. So that's the end

1764
02:11:13.520 --> 02:11:16.039
of the story as far as most
people are concerned. If you know who

1765
02:11:16.079 --> 02:11:18.840
Manley P. Hall was, and
you know about Manley P. Hall's archive,

1766
02:11:20.079 --> 02:11:24.640
and the fact is that Jordan had
some of Manly P. Hall's personal

1767
02:11:24.000 --> 02:11:31.039
notebooks that were left to him when
he died, and those things were stolen

1768
02:11:31.079 --> 02:11:35.840
from Jordan before he died. Just
just for the record, physically stolen.

1769
02:11:35.000 --> 02:11:39.960
Manley Hall and Jordan Niswell, they
don't get a fair shake with in terms

1770
02:11:41.000 --> 02:11:43.319
of the written history to this day. Right, No, not not at

1771
02:11:43.359 --> 02:11:46.199
all. But but if you look
into it a bit, you know,

1772
02:11:46.279 --> 02:11:50.279
if people look into it and look
into the archive that Manley P. Hall

1773
02:11:50.399 --> 02:11:56.520
was putting together and some of the
rarefied information that was there physically in one

1774
02:11:56.640 --> 02:11:58.159
place. You know, we're not
talking about Internet stuff. We're talking about

1775
02:11:58.199 --> 02:12:03.720
books and manusc It's in ancient papers
and things like that which he had assembled.

1776
02:12:05.199 --> 02:12:09.239
There's a lot there that's heard,
yeah, to to study and it's

1777
02:12:09.399 --> 02:12:16.279
it's really mind you and a personal
relationship with that. I don't know about

1778
02:12:16.319 --> 02:12:18.840
Manly P. Hall, but at
least Jordan P. Peterson, you actually

1779
02:12:20.079 --> 02:12:24.319
you the man right, Well,
Jordan and I had a friendship on a

1780
02:12:24.399 --> 02:12:26.600
certain level. I wasn't one of
his closest friends, but I was a

1781
02:12:26.640 --> 02:12:31.439
friend of Jordan's in my opinion,
And but you were, you were fairly

1782
02:12:31.520 --> 02:12:35.039
close from what I understand, right, there were there there was something there

1783
02:12:35.119 --> 02:12:37.520
I wouldn't say I was his best
buddy, I really, you know,

1784
02:12:37.600 --> 02:12:39.760
because here's the thing, I never
actually physically got in the same space with

1785
02:12:39.840 --> 02:12:46.119
Jordan. Him and I were always
apart no matter what. Even though we

1786
02:12:46.239 --> 02:12:48.680
were we were supposed to have met
a couple of times, uh, and

1787
02:12:48.840 --> 02:12:52.880
we did not. It just didn't
work out because of different things. You'll

1788
02:12:52.920 --> 02:12:56.159
have that towards the end of his
life. You to play a part,

1789
02:12:56.680 --> 02:13:00.119
well a little bit. I mean
I I don't think anybody else did all

1790
02:13:00.199 --> 02:13:03.479
right, the extensive types of interviews
and and stuff like that, and apparently

1791
02:13:05.800 --> 02:13:11.880
I had information about things that was
only given to a very select few people

1792
02:13:11.960 --> 02:13:13.800
about stuff. I'm really sad about
it, though. I just want to

1793
02:13:13.840 --> 02:13:18.439
make that. I just want to
make that known because there were apparently,

1794
02:13:18.640 --> 02:13:24.680
from my other research I've done in
the past, there were people around him

1795
02:13:24.880 --> 02:13:28.960
that did not that were not on
the up and up, so to speak.

1796
02:13:30.359 --> 02:13:33.279
Well, there's people to this day, there's people to this day still

1797
02:13:33.359 --> 02:13:37.680
selling his stuff that pretty much stole
his stuff, that that that that were

1798
02:13:37.720 --> 02:13:41.520
profiting off of him and everything else. And he even tried to take him

1799
02:13:41.520 --> 02:13:45.640
to court and lost. Where they
were they've been profiting off of them they

1800
02:13:45.680 --> 02:13:50.199
claimed to be worthy official site of
Jordan Max. They're not. Jordan's official

1801
02:13:50.279 --> 02:13:52.560
site is gone. You. Meanwhile, he was on his deathbed and he

1802
02:13:52.640 --> 02:13:56.359
had these vultures around him, That's
what I'm saying. And you were not

1803
02:13:56.479 --> 02:13:58.319
one of these vultures. No,
No, I was not one of those

1804
02:13:58.359 --> 02:14:01.600
guys. There there are people that
physically stole things from him, that took

1805
02:14:01.680 --> 02:14:05.920
money from him, that that robbed
him of just about everything. Uh And

1806
02:14:07.159 --> 02:14:11.439
and the only thing I ever did
monetarily with him is give him a couple

1807
02:14:11.479 --> 02:14:15.439
of bucks. Uh And outside of
that, uh and it wasn't much,

1808
02:14:15.640 --> 02:14:18.319
but I mean a little bit because
he just needed something. And outside of

1809
02:14:18.359 --> 02:14:26.119
that, chuck you chuck, you
actually chuck monetarily aside. You actually were

1810
02:14:26.199 --> 02:14:30.039
one of the last people to actually
do a few interviews with him on the

1811
02:14:30.239 --> 02:14:35.720
up and up right. Yeah,
yeah, there's that. And I never

1812
02:14:35.800 --> 02:14:39.399
profited, that I found after the
fact. Yeah, no, you I

1813
02:14:41.119 --> 02:14:43.159
credit well, I never I Look, I never profited a dime, because

1814
02:14:43.159 --> 02:14:46.000
I want to make sure that that's
very clear. I never profited a single

1815
02:14:46.079 --> 02:14:48.680
dime as a matter of fact.
Yeah, no, I've heard that there

1816
02:14:48.720 --> 02:14:54.119
were people around him that actually stole
from him, and made money off of

1817
02:14:54.279 --> 02:14:56.840
him as he was dying, and
he died, right, and you weren't

1818
02:14:56.880 --> 02:15:01.479
one of those people. No,
the fact, yeah, not at all.

1819
02:15:01.520 --> 02:15:03.039
As a matter of fact, I
was the only thing that was ever

1820
02:15:03.159 --> 02:15:07.720
presented to me is there was a
book contract where I signed any rights or

1821
02:15:07.840 --> 02:15:11.920
any claim that I would have over
to something that was a part that that

1822
02:15:13.039 --> 02:15:15.840
I could have made a claim to. I signed it over to Jordan.

1823
02:15:16.239 --> 02:15:22.840
Whatever was going to be made is
his. What I'm saying, is what

1824
02:15:22.960 --> 02:15:26.479
I'm saying for the people out there, is you actually have a few interviews

1825
02:15:26.600 --> 02:15:31.439
with him when he was actually very
sick, and you know you to this

1826
02:15:31.640 --> 02:15:33.279
day, as far as I know, I have never released it to the

1827
02:15:33.319 --> 02:15:37.800
public, right, No, and
I won't. I won't. That says

1828
02:15:37.840 --> 02:15:41.840
a lot. They don't. He
was, he was impaired, and I

1829
02:15:41.920 --> 02:15:46.359
don't feel good about ever bringing that
out to anybody. He was impaired at

1830
02:15:46.399 --> 02:15:48.760
the time, so I don't want
to do that. That's all I wanted

1831
02:15:48.800 --> 02:15:52.279
to say. That's yeah, yeah, well I appreciate it. Thank you.

1832
02:15:54.000 --> 02:15:56.920
Anyway. Look, we've we've kept
Jimmy and uh, I don't see

1833
02:15:56.920 --> 02:15:58.520
anybody else haven't called in, but
I know we kept Jimmy on hold a

1834
02:15:58.560 --> 02:16:03.039
long time here. He's probably asleep
over there. Let me see what time

1835
02:16:03.159 --> 02:16:05.560
is it? By the way,
got new long conversations here, and I

1836
02:16:05.680 --> 02:16:09.600
probably just messed everything up. What
time is it? Is it ten thirty?

1837
02:16:09.039 --> 02:16:13.920
Be Pete? Is it ten thirty? Dear God? I might have

1838
02:16:13.960 --> 02:16:18.119
lost be Pete. That's okay anyway, guys, I'm gonna put Jimmy James

1839
02:16:18.159 --> 02:16:22.159
on, and if anybody else calls
in, I'll keep this going for a

1840
02:16:22.239 --> 02:16:24.319
minute, but if not, we're
gonna probably close out the show here shortly.

1841
02:16:24.840 --> 02:16:30.840
So sorry about the long, long
delay, Jimmy, I'm staying on

1842
02:16:30.880 --> 02:16:33.840
the air to make sure that you
at least get back in. So anything

1843
02:16:33.879 --> 02:16:37.520
you want to throw on here or
get into before we're done, I think

1844
02:16:37.840 --> 02:16:45.959
be Pete is actually gone. He
had to get going. Well, yoah,

1845
02:16:48.159 --> 02:16:52.280
Chris was bringing up a lot of
good things, Sarah, Well,

1846
02:16:52.319 --> 02:17:01.680
your first question about Oh Jake,
Really the question is did the jury do

1847
02:17:01.879 --> 02:17:09.120
the right thing for the right reasons? Because eighty percent of all cases are

1848
02:17:09.239 --> 02:17:16.360
circumstantial, and this thing goes way
beyond even that. The circumstances DNA,

1849
02:17:16.680 --> 02:17:22.000
this, that and the other thing. Do I personally think, Oh Jay

1850
02:17:22.079 --> 02:17:28.360
did that practically decapitated that woman.
Yeah, I do. I agree with

1851
02:17:28.399 --> 02:17:41.040
the proof because it's also a fact
that Detective Furman contaminated that scene. I

1852
02:17:41.159 --> 02:17:46.200
think that's pretty much, well,
pretty much everyone agrees with that. That

1853
02:17:46.559 --> 02:17:52.040
supposed glove and stuff that just it's
stunk. And so the jury and my

1854
02:17:52.280 --> 02:18:00.239
mind should have probably declared a mistrial. And sadly, now that OJ is

1855
02:18:00.360 --> 02:18:09.000
dead, I've been listening to them
on various shows saying horrible something I never

1856
02:18:09.959 --> 02:18:15.319
wanted to hear that they just let
OJ off because of the Rodney King verdict,

1857
02:18:16.200 --> 02:18:22.360
but just said, but yes,
they should have done something in the

1858
02:18:22.479 --> 02:18:28.680
vein that they did, because well, the evidence was so contaminated. Honestly,

1859
02:18:28.840 --> 02:18:35.159
I probably would have also acquitted,
but for the right reasons. It's

1860
02:18:35.200 --> 02:18:41.280
sad that these people did it for
racial, bizarre reasons, but they did

1861
02:18:43.000 --> 02:18:48.680
ultimately come up with the only legitimate
decision you could make because the evidence was

1862
02:18:48.840 --> 02:18:54.120
extremely contaminated. And that Henry Lee
guy, I remember him, a what

1863
02:18:54.319 --> 02:18:58.479
a what a joker? Yeah,
what a mess that guy was. And

1864
02:18:58.600 --> 02:19:01.879
I'll tell you something else is real
quick. Not only was there that contamination

1865
02:19:01.040 --> 02:19:07.040
by Furman, but the truth is
there was contamination at the lab, there

1866
02:19:07.120 --> 02:19:11.719
was contamint, there was all sorts
of missteps with the investigation. So,

1867
02:19:13.399 --> 02:19:16.120
you know, is it a right
verdict? It's hard for me to tell

1868
02:19:16.200 --> 02:19:20.440
because of the circus that was going
on, But a bottom line is I'm

1869
02:19:20.760 --> 02:19:22.440
fairly convinced he did it, though
still just like you, you know,

1870
02:19:22.559 --> 02:19:26.360
yeah, he probably did it,
right, You see why I say he

1871
02:19:26.440 --> 02:19:30.719
probably did it, But yeah,
I agree. Just look, yeah,

1872
02:19:30.760 --> 02:19:37.479
it's not like we can know one
ninety nine, but you look at the

1873
02:19:37.639 --> 02:19:43.959
circumstances and golly, you know how
many other people would want to chop this

1874
02:19:43.239 --> 02:19:50.920
fraud's head off practically, And he
was enough athlete, He's a very strong

1875
02:19:50.120 --> 02:19:58.040
man. There was a time our
athrightised or not. He was highly medicated

1876
02:19:58.159 --> 02:20:03.040
at the time. But that's just
kind of my thoughts on the OJ thing

1877
02:20:03.559 --> 02:20:09.479
and on the Hunt thing. I
just really there's just something about this June

1878
02:20:09.639 --> 02:20:15.639
nineteen seventy two. It's very weird. I mean, let's really put this

1879
02:20:15.799 --> 02:20:22.520
in perspective. Jagger Hoover dies two
weeks before Watergate, just drops dead in

1880
02:20:22.639 --> 02:20:28.639
his home, which I know he
wasn't a young man, he was sixty

1881
02:20:28.760 --> 02:20:35.559
five, but I don't know,
it's weird. His documents and whatnot all

1882
02:20:35.680 --> 02:20:41.799
disappear. It's weird. Two weeks
later, the Watergate bungle, it's weird

1883
02:20:45.319 --> 02:20:50.280
or Hunts involved in that, And
looking back at the documents, I'm shocked

1884
02:20:50.399 --> 02:20:56.879
just how much Hunt was involved with
the Cuba projects. Now we know that

1885
02:20:56.040 --> 02:21:03.520
he was in Langley when Kenny be
with shots. So obviously he didn't participate,

1886
02:21:03.520 --> 02:21:07.239
but he definitely had a lot of
contact with a lot of people who

1887
02:21:09.479 --> 02:21:15.280
probably had first or second hand knowledge. And yeah, I agree with you

1888
02:21:15.399 --> 02:21:18.079
one one hundred percent, Chuck.
I mean you just look at the video

1889
02:21:18.200 --> 02:21:22.920
and he could practically seem so Dad. For our book, let's you know,

1890
02:21:24.200 --> 02:21:30.079
we'll put a historical fiction book together
where you actually were involved. How

1891
02:21:30.120 --> 02:21:33.440
would you think it would play out? You know all that kind of stuff.

1892
02:21:33.639 --> 02:21:37.200
Yeah, if you were to create
this conspiracy and you wanted to write

1893
02:21:37.239 --> 02:21:39.760
it into a book, and you
wanted to put you know yourself an LBJ

1894
02:21:41.040 --> 02:21:43.799
in it, how would you do
it? It almost seems like that part

1895
02:21:43.920 --> 02:21:46.639
is left off with a video,
right, I mean it just seems that

1896
02:21:46.760 --> 02:21:52.440
way. And what can you say? It's a lot of stuff and yeah,

1897
02:21:52.520 --> 02:21:54.879
people ran around, Oh the big
event, the big event, that's

1898
02:21:54.920 --> 02:21:56.680
the code word, and I'm like, the big Event. That's a general

1899
02:21:56.799 --> 02:22:01.280
statement. That's like saying, you
know, going to the Big show,

1900
02:22:01.319 --> 02:22:05.719
the operation Big Event. Yeah,
No, that's not what it was called.

1901
02:22:05.879 --> 02:22:09.000
You know, come on, I
mean, it's just it was silly.

1902
02:22:09.360 --> 02:22:13.760
It was very very silly, and
I understood why they ran with it,

1903
02:22:13.920 --> 02:22:16.200
but it was like, you know, at the end of the day,

1904
02:22:16.200 --> 02:22:20.319
a guy like cord Meyer is going
to run this No, no,

1905
02:22:20.200 --> 02:22:26.440
no, you know who is the
guy who is the only other CIA officer

1906
02:22:26.520 --> 02:22:31.440
who ran on the beaches on the
Bay of Pigs along with Rip Roberts.

1907
02:22:33.639 --> 02:22:39.680
Wasn't that Eastman who just happened to
be named by that CIA guy who went

1908
02:22:41.040 --> 02:22:46.440
strictly through the records and that was
his sub his best guess I think his

1909
02:22:46.600 --> 02:22:50.680
name was Eastman. Yeah, but
see again, it depends on what premise

1910
02:22:50.719 --> 02:22:54.719
you want to start with, right
if you start with it's like if you're

1911
02:22:54.760 --> 02:22:58.959
Stephen King and you start with the
premise that Oswald did it, Okay,

1912
02:22:58.120 --> 02:23:01.319
you're going to go in a certain
direction, and then he has to have

1913
02:23:01.440 --> 02:23:03.399
time travel in there, you know, because he's Stephen King. But I

1914
02:23:03.479 --> 02:23:09.559
mean, realistically, you know what
I'm saying, it just becomes Look,

1915
02:23:09.639 --> 02:23:16.360
it's clearly a work of fiction utilizing
real people. I mean, Robert Tannenbaum

1916
02:23:16.760 --> 02:23:20.440
had done pretty well with a book. I think that's that's his name,

1917
02:23:20.479 --> 02:23:24.520
the guy who ended up being the
deputy Chief Counsel to the HSCA. You

1918
02:23:24.600 --> 02:23:30.920
know, the cop from New York, you remember him, and he wrote

1919
02:23:31.399 --> 02:23:35.600
he wrote an interesting blended you know, sort of like historical fiction book and

1920
02:23:35.719 --> 02:23:39.280
you use real people. It's like, you know, turning A B.

1921
02:23:39.360 --> 02:23:43.239
Lincoln into a vampire hunter. Why
not. But it doesn't mean that it's

1922
02:23:43.239 --> 02:23:46.440
got any validity, you know what
I'm saying. That's about the level that

1923
02:23:46.559 --> 02:23:52.520
I see this E Howard Hunt.
You know, Deathbed Confession is about about

1924
02:23:52.559 --> 02:23:56.120
at the level of Abe Lincoln vampire
hunter. Jimmy, that's what I see.

1925
02:23:56.280 --> 02:24:01.840
I agree, Oh, I absolutely, we agree. I'm far more

1926
02:24:01.000 --> 02:24:07.280
fascinated what he was up to in
the early seventies. Yeah, me too,

1927
02:24:07.520 --> 02:24:11.600
and particularly I want to know what
he's up to with the old Jim

1928
02:24:11.719 --> 02:24:16.200
McCord. I want to know what
the hell's going on and as far as

1929
02:24:16.239 --> 02:24:20.440
he's with, you know, I
care less what Saint John Hunt says.

1930
02:24:22.000 --> 02:24:26.639
But if I want someone in a
real witness and they try to make me

1931
02:24:26.840 --> 02:24:31.879
pay money. That's not going to
work. I'll go look through the documents,

1932
02:24:31.079 --> 02:24:35.799
find where they contradicted their statements,
and then I'll file a petition to

1933
02:24:35.879 --> 02:24:41.280
perpetuate testimony. Little bastards. Yeah, I got you, but you know,

1934
02:24:41.760 --> 02:24:46.280
but it's too funny. Yeah,
but it's too funny because you notice,

1935
02:24:46.319 --> 02:24:50.200
though I knew exactly how much money
it was, because I got the

1936
02:24:50.239 --> 02:24:54.840
same I got that offer. To
look, It's like back when RFK Junior

1937
02:24:54.719 --> 02:24:58.319
was not looking to be out in
public, right, he was asking for

1938
02:24:58.399 --> 02:25:03.159
twenty five thousand dollars to show up
RFK Junior uh for events. If you

1939
02:25:03.239 --> 02:25:05.159
wanted him to show up for an
event, you could have paid him to

1940
02:25:05.200 --> 02:25:09.719
go anywhere pretty much to speak on
one of his topics. But he wanted

1941
02:25:09.760 --> 02:25:13.559
twenty five grand. You know,
I don't know what his speaking fee is

1942
02:25:13.600 --> 02:25:18.879
today, but that was, you
know, the same amount of money that

1943
02:25:18.600 --> 02:25:22.000
guess what he asked John Barber for
that money when John tried to get him

1944
02:25:22.000 --> 02:25:26.680
to come out and talk about his
dad's you know, assassination twenty five thousand

1945
02:25:26.959 --> 02:25:30.879
and John was almost going to raise
it and try and bring him there to

1946
02:25:30.959 --> 02:25:35.280
Vegas for that gathering. And then
didn't. Oh my, but this five

1947
02:25:35.360 --> 02:25:41.920
hundred dollars amount, Yeah, this
five hundred dollars amount. Yeah, he

1948
02:25:41.120 --> 02:25:48.479
was like that twenty five grand,
yeah, asked John Barbara. Yeah.

1949
02:25:48.360 --> 02:25:54.639
Nessari just got a campaign and he's
got pay for his own security. I

1950
02:25:54.719 --> 02:25:58.280
guess he's paid like a couple of
millions so far for that. Well,

1951
02:25:58.399 --> 02:26:01.559
but there you go, Like if
a guy like that is worried about having

1952
02:26:01.639 --> 02:26:05.719
security and got to cover travel,
I guess it does come up twenty five

1953
02:26:05.799 --> 02:26:09.479
grand, right, because you got
to have your security come with you and

1954
02:26:09.520 --> 02:26:13.840
everything else. But but look,
these guys asking for five hundred dollars fees.

1955
02:26:13.079 --> 02:26:16.559
This is not all that unusual because, like I said, it was

1956
02:26:16.639 --> 02:26:20.360
the standard fee. And I know
that from a couple of friends directly my

1957
02:26:20.680 --> 02:26:24.840
my, a friend of mine,
Frank Minucci. Guy he probably never heard

1958
02:26:24.920 --> 02:26:31.120
of wash. He was on what
he called HBO Mob Stories. That's the

1959
02:26:31.239 --> 02:26:35.920
biggest famous thing that And he had
a role in Carlito's Way. He he

1960
02:26:35.040 --> 02:26:39.719
plays the gangster that they drowned off
of the uh you know, in the

1961
02:26:39.799 --> 02:26:43.360
river there, off of the prison
barge. And he's that gangster in that

1962
02:26:43.479 --> 02:26:48.520
movie. But he was he was
a Hell's angel and connected to some underworld

1963
02:26:48.559 --> 02:26:50.760
people and this kind of thing.
And he became a you know, one

1964
02:26:50.799 --> 02:26:56.319
of these motorcycle riding preachers later in
life. But and he was in the

1965
02:26:56.360 --> 02:27:01.639
movie Ghost Dog with who was that
guy? I forget who the who the

1966
02:27:01.719 --> 02:27:05.840
guy was in that movie. The
Ghost Dog is the name of the movie.

1967
02:27:05.719 --> 02:27:11.360
Anyway, it doesn't matter. The
point is what's that was it the

1968
02:27:11.440 --> 02:27:16.000
movie Bretta? Did it have jasonos
No? It was no, it was

1969
02:27:16.079 --> 02:27:20.040
a It was a black guy.
Let me look up the movie Ghost Dog

1970
02:27:20.120 --> 02:27:24.159
real fast, because he was one
of the but he and they offered him

1971
02:27:24.159 --> 02:27:30.360
a role in the Sopranos at one
point too. Huh yeah. I mean

1972
02:27:30.440 --> 02:27:31.360
again, this was a guy who
was a friend of mine. But when

1973
02:27:31.440 --> 02:27:35.680
the when the National Inquirer came out
to interview him to do a main story

1974
02:27:35.799 --> 02:27:39.399
because uh, what do you call
it? Barretta had called him up in

1975
02:27:39.440 --> 02:27:43.639
the middle of the night. Remember
there was a story about Hollywood stuntman was

1976
02:27:43.680 --> 02:27:48.639
approached to do the hit on Bretta's
wife. That was my friend Frank Minucci.

1977
02:27:48.479 --> 02:27:52.120
So the Inquirer came out to interview
him, and that's the standard fee,

1978
02:27:52.159 --> 02:27:54.280
five hundred bucks. And they did
a big spread on him in the

1979
02:27:54.360 --> 02:27:58.520
Inquirer. They came out to interview
him in Whiting, New Jersey. He

1980
02:27:58.559 --> 02:28:03.360
could probably still find the article line
somewhere. But let's see Ghost Dog movie.

1981
02:28:03.639 --> 02:28:05.799
Let me find out who the star
was. I know it's a name

1982
02:28:05.799 --> 02:28:07.760
I should remember off the top of
my head, and I can't remember who

1983
02:28:07.799 --> 02:28:13.680
it was that was in it.
Let's see Ghost Dog the Way of the

1984
02:28:13.760 --> 02:28:18.440
Samurai with Forest Whittaker. That's who
was in that movie. Sorry Forrest Whittaker

1985
02:28:20.000 --> 02:28:24.719
nineteen ninety nine. Anyway, Brother
Frank was a guy I knew, and

1986
02:28:24.760 --> 02:28:26.760
that's the name of the book about
his life. Brother Frank was a guy

1987
02:28:26.799 --> 02:28:31.079
I knew around that time, and
like I said, he had gotten a

1988
02:28:31.079 --> 02:28:33.639
couple of acting roles in this and
that. But five hundred bucks is what

1989
02:28:33.680 --> 02:28:37.920
the National Inquirer paid him to tell
him about. You know, you know

1990
02:28:37.040 --> 02:28:41.840
Bretta there calling him in the middle
of the night asking him to kill his

1991
02:28:41.959 --> 02:28:48.440
wife. So that's going on there, cause you know he's like, hey,

1992
02:28:48.479 --> 02:28:52.639
I know, you know some heavy
hitters, get me in touch with

1993
02:28:52.840 --> 02:28:54.760
or maybe you want to do it. I need to get rid of my

1994
02:28:54.840 --> 02:29:05.879
wife. Yeah, so just saying
yeah, But like these historical characters like

1995
02:29:05.959 --> 02:29:13.920
the Rabbi back of he tried to
get money from Professor Mellan, which she

1996
02:29:13.040 --> 02:29:20.079
said, now because then it's worthless. That can't be considered evidence. Now,

1997
02:29:20.319 --> 02:29:24.760
you know, that's some of a
bit. He needs to go and

1998
02:29:24.920 --> 02:29:28.000
talk in front of a federal job
to give us a runout of his life.

1999
02:29:30.520 --> 02:29:37.440
The stuff he told Congress and returned
for whatever tendency he was forced to

2000
02:29:37.559 --> 02:29:46.520
perpetuate testimony to Congress, and once
he was absolutely supposed to list everything dot

2001
02:29:46.639 --> 02:29:52.000
every guy and make no mistakes.
Well, the stuff he said earlier,

2002
02:29:52.079 --> 02:29:56.040
there's a capture ditions, so right
there, Oh he's going to talk.

2003
02:29:56.719 --> 02:30:03.360
Well, that's the thing they don't
this conversation with uh with a researcher whose

2004
02:30:03.440 --> 02:30:07.559
name you would you would immediately recognize
recently about you know, look, it's

2005
02:30:07.600 --> 02:30:09.879
one thing to sit down to dinner
with a guy and pay for somebody's dinner

2006
02:30:11.040 --> 02:30:13.520
to talk to him. It's one
thing to like say, look, I'll

2007
02:30:13.559 --> 02:30:18.319
pay my own travel expenses to come
see you, or I'll pay for your

2008
02:30:18.399 --> 02:30:22.479
travel expenses to come see me.
That kind of thing is acceptable. But

2009
02:30:22.559 --> 02:30:28.000
once you start paying people for their
testimony or whatever, it taints it automatically,

2010
02:30:28.239 --> 02:30:31.639
because you know, now they've got
to come up with something that's worthy

2011
02:30:31.719 --> 02:30:37.120
of the fee that they charged you, you know, and and first of

2012
02:30:37.120 --> 02:30:39.639
all, I can't afford that.
But secondly, even if I could,

2013
02:30:39.280 --> 02:30:43.239
would it be worth it to get
you know, a creative story? Well,

2014
02:30:43.319 --> 02:30:46.200
I just wanted the thousand dollars or
I wanted the five hundred bucks or

2015
02:30:46.239 --> 02:30:50.040
what. Who the hell wants to
do that? So you know, what,

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can I say? It is the
reality of it. There are people

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out there that will ask for a
fee for their testimony, and it is

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what it is. Anyway, Jimmy, look, I'm out of time because

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I've actually run over time tonight and
I got to go do a couple other

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things. But I appreciate you for
calling in, Thanks to Christopher calling in,

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Thanks to be Pete for co hosting. I appreciate all you guys who

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have listened, And if you're catching
this on the podcast, I appreciate you

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as well. Believe me, I'm
just as thrilled with anybody who downloads and

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takes a listen to any of this
stuff I do. And if you're hearing

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this over the weekend on Monday,
I could use just a little help taking

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care of the last of two bills. I've got most of the money set,

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but I'm a little short. So
if you kick in something and you

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want a little extra you know,
zip folder of some extra files, I'll

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be more than happy to throw them
to you. If you've got a couple

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of bucks to kick in, just
so I can cover this annual bill that's

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coming up here, and that annual
bill helps to support the free podcast because

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it's free to you, but I
pay for it, okay. And also

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my phone line bill, I bounced
my last payment to it, so I

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owe them and I got to pay
that off before they cut off my phone

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line, which I don't want them
to do. So if you kick in

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and you want a little extra audio
file with some rare audios, I will

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definitely send them your way in more
than happily if you click on the donate

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button at Ochelli dot com and just
do that through PayPal. You know,

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I just need a few dollars to
get over that hump. And also it

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would help if I had a couple
of bucks to I don't know, be

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able to buy a pack of cigarettes
tomorrow. This kind of thing as well,

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because I've got this money saved up
that I need to put on the

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bills, So if you want to
help out with that, I appreciate you,

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that's for sure. And I appreciate
you guys for listening. If you

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share the show, it's helpful.
If you comment on it, if you

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follow us online, anything you do
is helpful to raise the profile of this

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show and this little mini network that
at the moment only contains myself and Fronz

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and Uncle. But you never know, we might be looking to expand that.

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And you might have noticed on the
Lives the twenty four to seven radio

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stream, we've added a couple of
things now. I'm adding the monologues from

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the New Prisoners. Few other things
are coming up where people have asked me

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to add their MP three's to the
radio station, so we'll be changing things

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up there. And I do want
to get back to doing some short attention

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span DJ theaters on here as well, but those can't become podcasts. We

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can only replay them on the radio
station, the online radio station, So

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that's what we'll do, plus the
O'Kelly effect itself. Plus we're recording some

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book readings, We're recording some other
interviews that won't be technically part of the

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show, but it'll be out there
available for you one way or another and

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be part of what it is that
we do. Put on the twenty four

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to seven unique radio station Ocelly dot
com Radio. It's available on your Apple

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devices through Apple Radio Tune in various
radio apps, as well as a podcast

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afterwards. Plus the age of transitions
uncle the broadcast or podcast depending on when

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it's running, et cetera, et
cetera. And you never know, I

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might add another hoster to before the
year is over. And coming very soon,

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we're gonna have discount tickets for the
Lancer Conference which will be held on

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the twenty second this year, and
I'm gonna MC that conference again and we're

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gonna have discount tickets for O Shelly
Effect listeners exclusively. So that's the way

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that's going, and I'm involved in
the planning on that. And if you've

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got ideas, by all means blind
JFK Researcher at gmail dot com is my

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email address. Love to hear your
ideas, Love to hear from you in

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any way, shape or form.
That's also my PayPal address. So there

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you go. Help me out so
I can help you out. After all,

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you would be more than happy to
give a tip to a pizza delivery

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02:34:52.840 --> 02:34:58.680
guy or your grubhub guy or whatever
you calculate in a little tip right when

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02:34:58.719 --> 02:35:03.680
they're delivering you some food, even
if it is terribly gmode and barely recognizable,

2076
02:35:03.719 --> 02:35:05.040
and God help you if it's in
one piece by the time they get

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02:35:05.079 --> 02:35:09.000
it to you, you give them
a tip. How about giving me a

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tip every now and then for those
of you that are not regular supporters and

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not already receiving the decades worth of
an archive in your email every month.

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If you're not doing that, or
if you are doing that and you want

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to kick in a little extra,
I'll kick you something extra. And let's

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keep working together to get at the
truth. Because, like I said,

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02:35:26.879 --> 02:35:30.520
if you're willing to give that to
somebody who's delivering your food, then how

2084
02:35:30.520 --> 02:35:37.719
about the person who's delivering you some
information unique entertainment conversations and obviously exposure to

2085
02:35:37.840 --> 02:35:41.680
dialogue and awareness about other media other
projects. I'm going to have a video

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02:35:41.799 --> 02:35:46.680
interview with David Mantick soon about a
very specific topic regarding the medical evidence.

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02:35:48.399 --> 02:35:52.360
I plan to have Robert Grodin on
the show soon. That's your JFK stuff,

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02:35:52.440 --> 02:36:05.159
but I've also got people that are
involved. Goodbye,