Hey, what's going on everyone at Santa Mac Here from anime uproar and Welcome
to another episode of the One Piece Virgin Podcast. In this episode, we're
covering chapters one thousand and forty seven through one thousand and fifty. It looks
like Wano is coming to an end or has already come to an end.
I don't know, We're gonna have to talk about it because some crazy shit
went down. As crazy as last episode was, we still have crazy stuff
to discuss again. Joining me, we got Goes in from anime uproar and
Briggs. Goes and Briggs. Wano has kind of come to an end,
but I feel like something's gonna happen now now that Kaido is like officially or
kind of officially defeated. I feel like something someone's going to appear, whether
it's like the CP zero or well, there is a lot of the the
strongest DP zero we've already taken up by Kaida, but you know, there
might there might be government fleet near one and they were specifically they were specifically
instructed. This is back in chapter ten twenty eight. They were specifically instructed
to invade Wanno if Kaido loses and to take over the entire kingdom. So
you would assume that they're a very strong fleet, because not only are they
gonna take on the person that took down Kaido, they're supposed to take direct
military control of the entire kingdom. They're not just there to like get them
and get out, like they take control. So it must be a big
fleet, and um that actually I've been I talked about this in a video
that I just recorded today and sent over to Axel for editing. It might
come out tonight or tomorrow on the Animal Opro channel, but either way,
that's something you're interested in. What happens after Wano subscribe to Animal oproar nice,
nice shout out. No, I don't know. I don't do it
for me, I'll do it for the people. The people will appreciate that
video. But yeah, I think I think you're right. I think the
fleet's probably going to invade or I don't want to say Blackbeard's going to appear,
but you know, I think something big is gonna happen. Big going
to happen. Okay, let's go through our chapters first, because people always
complain if we don't do it chronologically. And then when we get to that
point we can talk about theories and you know how what's going to happen,
because I did just think about that for that video like extensively. But yeah,
I feel like we should go through. Um, I do want to
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yes, um, okay, So where we left off last time, we
had Moms trying to stop when he got him up from falling to the ground
as Loofi prepares to like slam Kaido, but Momo doesn't know how to activate
the fire cloud things that Kaido uses to keep um when float. So he's
all like crying, no, I can't do it. Then Yamato was like,
you can do it, man and everyone else and then he's like,
oh my mother, do you know everyone's mother? Flashback flashbacks? And um,
what's name Keenemon crying all this other stuff, kind of like Momo trying
to psyche himself up in order to figure out how to create these clouds and
keep on float. It doesn't crash to the capital and literally murder. It's
showing how far he's come. Like that's kind of the point of that where
he was kind of thrust into this position that we add keenem On kind of
being like, Yo, if we're gonna die, we'll give us the opportunity
to die with a sword in our hands. And now this is what it's
been leading up to, right this whole journey, And that's why they like
emphasize it through flashback. Yeah, and I mean we do have to um
recognize that Momo is just a kid. Like it's easy to kind of like
put him up on the same standard as like, you know, the hero
that we follow because it's an epic heroic series. So it's like, yo,
Momo stopped being a bitch to kick their ass, but he is just
a kid, So we have to keep that hard. Yeah, of course,
and you know a lot of people I think were expecting Momo to do
more, but it's like, you know, I think this is an He's
saved people. He saved you know wan And what were people expecting Momo to
do? Probably some fights, but it's like, you're not gonna it would
be so cheap if he just like got into a fucking fight and beat a
strong opponent when he literally just got a time skip, right, that's sure
make him just learned how to even use the dragon form like he still learn
too soon. I think this was perfect because it's like, yes, he
played an invaluable role, but it wasn't like a fighting role, which is
which makes sense. And yeah, and I think that's fair. I mean
the story Momo's story is just at the beginning of his life. If he
was the protagonist all of a different type of you know manga than yes,
but clearly this is not his generation, like the true heroes are a generation
ahead of him. But then his fighting skills would have been amplified. They
wouldn't go from like, you know, one to one hundred just like that
mm hmm um. In this chapter, which is uh ten to forty seven,
we see that thing where with Loofy grabbing lightning, which is before that.
I think at the end of the previous chapter we saw him grabbing it,
but then he actually used it in battle in this chap. Yeah,
I feel like some people were like, how can he grab lightning? But
he's all he was always able to touch enw So he's all like because he's
rubber, he was always all but it's lightning, you know. Yeah,
it's not the same though, because like this, dude, this is way
more cartoonish. No, it's it always next level for next level. Yeah,
this is different from always he's always know, there's a difference between being
resistant and making contact with a loggia, Like he wasn't using hockey back then,
but he was able to make contact. Because that's just how I don't
know how to design this world. You're you're right, like it is a
meaningful progression, but clearly this is not something like we've seen before. Well,
of course, of course, his cartoons, this entire arc ever since
he's become Joyboy, has achieved his new gear has been over the talk topping
cartoon NII and I honestly love it. I personally love it. Yeah.
I don't even know if if this will ever be explained this type of stuff,
or if it's just gonna be like, oh yeah, he has the
power to do whatever he wants because it's cartoons to deal with. No,
I don't think it'll be like in detail explain. We might learn bits more,
but it's it's pretty much explained, right, Like, I don't think
we'll get like a system where it's like he can do this, but he
can't do this, he can't do this, but he can't do this.
You know. The idea is he could. He could pretty much do a
lot of cartooners stuff. But at the end of the day, which this
chapter did a really good job emphasizing, hockey is the key, not devil
fruit powers, So he could be as creative entertaining as he wants. If
someone else is a better hockey master than him, then that's probably gonna mean
more. Yeah, and that this is the chapter where we get Kaido seemingly
confirming that Roger never had any devil fruit powers. Yeah. I wouldn't even
say seemingly, but like, yeah, well, I mean if you assume
that Kaido knows for sure, yeah, because like I'm guessing he wasn't BFFs
with Roger. But yeah, if you if we can take Kaido's word for
it, then Roger didn't have any devil fruit powers. All he did was
use hockey to become the pirate King. So that's a big reveal because we've
we've all been speculating that whether or not Roger had a devil fruit because we
never see him use one. But this seems to confirm that, no,
he never had a devil fruit. And you know, that makes me wonder
why, because we know Shanks and his crew don't appear to have devil fruits.
Roger and his crew, no one major had a devil fruit except Buggy,
but he was not a major character. So it's and it was new
when he got it to like people were like still when he initially got it,
people were still like, oh, do you actually believe this devil fruit
stuff? Flight? Could it be real? Yeah, that's like a mistake
by or if that's I don't think so, what do you mean mistake?
I think it's. I think it's um. It's these one young whipper snappers
trying to get a quick, quick road to the grand line, you know,
get strong right away while the old the old man, I'll learn hockey
properly. Yeah. And one of the things that the flashback was like them
not being surprised when Buggy said like, oh, he didn't feel different or
anything when he ate the fake brute, right, because he was trying to
trick them and sell the real fruit. So yeah, it seemed like at
that point at least they didn't know much about devil fruit. But didn't they
already travel the whole world by that point? Well, this is the fruits,
Like that doesn't make sense unless devil fruits suddenly became way more prominent on
the grand line in the last twenty exactly. Yeah, that's a possibility.
Plus, um, he wasn't the pirate king yet, right then again,
apparently this devil fruit that luf has been around for eight hundred plus years.
Yeah, so that's a good point, Briggs, Like, the only thing
is whether devil fruits were more secret mind or this was the golden age of
piracy that that Roger started with his one piece declaration. Yea, So so
you can't compare what we have now to what was before. Yeah, but
like, how does that connect to devil fruits. Well, I feel like
maybe devil fruits out there being used in pirrating ways. Sure, there's also
like a lack of communication within the world. It's not like they have the
Internet, and like fucking cell phones and shit, so like people probably didn't
there, Like like people literally in the East Blue nowadays still think that like
devil fruits are a myth. You know, they have telepathic snails. Okay,
I'm just saying. And also I think a lot of people were probably
scared to have to like to eat them and didn't want to lose their ability
to swim and all that. Yeah, once like people with these strong devil
fruits start taking over and like really getting like getting to the top, then
maybe people start to see it as like, oh, if I get a
loggia, I could become this super strong pirate and achieve my dreams. Yeah.
The reason why I brought that up is like I'm just wondering if there's
a reason why devil fruits are not maybe like devil fruits prevent you to get
to Laughdale or something because you need to swim there or go on to water
or something like that. Because you know, Shanks presumably knows where a laftail
is and he didn't consume one, uh, no one, and no one
who actually went to Lafdale with Roger is confirmed to have a fruit, right,
So it's almost like maybe there is some reason why. Yeah, I
don't think that's gonna be the case. Yeah, personally, what was that
disease that stopped bug you from going to Laughsdale, I don't even know.
I think it was like a fever or something. I don't know if they
got specific. Yeah, you know, and that that could have been intentional
so as to avoid having anyone with a devil fru go there because there's some
reason why they can't. I mean, that's that's quite the conspiracy. Back
to the fight with and Looney Tunes Loofy, Yeah, exactly. So right
now we're at Loofy pretty much throwing lightning at Tito, and it hurts that
I missed it. Probably wouldn't have done like crazy shit, but I kind
of wanted it to land after that whole cliffhanger last chapter where he caught it.
I'm like, I want to see how powerfless attack is. But then
kind of just dodged it. Yeah, And I guess the point was Kada's
point is, you know, you can have all the insane powers you want,
but that doesn't necessarily make you the strongest fighter. And we needed that.
We needed that, like to to be focused on right after this insane
reveal, because there would be people just being like, oh, Lufy is
just automatically gonna be stronger than everyone because he has the most ridiculous fruit.
No the fruit. Literally he can get wrecked by someone with no fruit.
Yeah, and a lot of people are complaining right now that Loofy's too overpowered,
So there has to be some kind of way to explain that's like,
yeah, Loofy isn't just gonna speed run the rest of one piece because of
this fruit. Yeah, funny enough. The thing that defeated Tido was this
little this technique about hockey that he learned while he was in jail, not
even his devil fruit. You know. Yeah, so I technically it was
a gigantic fist from the sky, but you know, yeah, it was
a combination or the combination. It was a combination, and it had to
be because or else like it would feel like, you know, there was
that ode To quote where it's like, oh, I know, it can't
just be like a Loofy's strong punch that finishes them off. And this was
more than that because like, yeah, we got Gear five, we got
the giant punch, but we also got special advanced Conquerors hockey. So all
of that combined, in my opinion, made it a very satisfying fight.
I know the buzz around the internet right now is it was anticlimactic, but
I don't agree. I thought it was great. Yeah, I don't think
it was anti climactic. I disagree. Although how's a fucking fist? I
had to climb back? Yea like a Chapter one thousand and forty seven ends
with Lufy's giant hackey hackey hockey infused fist kind of descending upon Kaido's dragon form
and Lufy's just like, oh, by the way, Momo, can you
please move on? You gosh him out of the way so I don't smash
through it and kill everyone, and almost like what the fuck? And the
chapter what the Yeah though that was great. Um yeah, I just like
a direct quote is Kaido says, because only hockey can transcend all and like
it makes me like wonder, Like, you know, Kaido is said to
be the strongest creature in the world, like, and that may be referring
to you know, physical prowess, maybe referring to his devil through whatever.
We don't know. It's just the title he has. But yeah, there's
a there's an implication that, like, if Shanks is a better at hockey,
then he might be able to beat Kaider on a fight, right,
So it's it's interesting questions are raised with that whole hockey emphasis. For sure,
all right, happen in the next PA one forty eight boys, Well
we kind of like, let me just say before we skip that, Like,
also, Rochi is still doing his shit, and yeah, he's not
on fire, but he's still alive, which is annoying. I didn't give
a funk about that. I did like the um kiote is kind of like
speech where she like looks at him with like tears in her eyes and the
conviction. I liked that part, but in terms of actual Rochi, I
just want him to be Yeah, I'm just surprised that he's still alive,
right, And like, so he was on fire the seastone Nail, which
again in interesting device with its implications for the future, but it comes loose
and then he turns into one headed uh you know, whatever that creature is
again, and then that he gets while he's burning, he goes after after
her. So yeah, like it's just insane to me how much Oda is
like just keeping him alive and still as of now. We saw his head
cut off and on fire, but it was still whole. So I don't
even know if this dude's dead yet. I hope so like he should be,
but like it's crazy. I feel like he's he's freaking he's compl It's
like a meme. Now, bro, it's crazy. It's like he's come
back so many times. When I see him on a panel, it's like
this, like literally like scroll past it. We're told, like Yojuano is
over, and like we haven't seen him then until then, I'm not gonna
assume he's dead. Do you think is dead? No, I don't,
but we'll get to that, but like no, I don't. Yeah,
let's just let's just end the stuff because at the end of this chapter thousand
and forty eight is when we see Chi's dragon form getting decapitated by Denjito and
presume, probably because he the dragon form is on fire, he will not
be able to heal and he will be dead. But again we're just yeah.
So, I mean, like they literally did so much that hopefully he's
gone now, but again, I wouldn't be surprised. I don't get my
hopes up or Orchie's double fruit is like a hydra, right yeah. Um,
people got upset when I compared it to that, but yeah, pretty
much it because it's a specifically Japanese, Japanese thing, right, It's a
creature from Japanese myth so it's not just like the hydro we know, but
it has a lot of similarities to it. So yeah, it's not exactly
that. The reason the reason I bring that up is because people have said
that in um, the in the Greek mythology Hercules, the labors of Hercules,
one of them is to kill the hydra, and the way he ends
up killing it because it just grows more heads every time you call one off.
H if I could recall correctly, he ends up like setting it on
fire, or like setting the wounds on fire so they can't be healed.
Yeah. The problem is I only watched the Disney movie and he just ties
the next up. I don't know what actual Yeah I didn't say it like
that, didn't the road You have all his heads cut off and then he
still came back. Yeah, maybe maybe burning it is the way to do
it. So yeah, you're probably onto something. Animax. This This could
finally be the end. Yeah, yeah, for sure, and he implied
that it is over because he's like, I'm taking you with me, which
seems like he'd know if he's dead or not, right, So it seems
like he knows he's dying. Yeah. I still I don't like how we
see his head, but we don't see it like disintegrate or anything I would
want. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like, why the fuck did
you show that to us? All I see this dude with a halo above
his head or a fucking whatever, like like like literally in the afterlife.
I'm not I'm not confirmed that he's dead. No. I had thought at
like I was like, bro, why didn't you show it like half deteriorated,
Like why is was it a fullhead? Like oh yeah, we'll see
Yeah, give me like a demon Flator moment where it's like literally like disintegrating
exactly and you like smell like the him just going off into the future.
Yeah. Here we had the two of them, Kaido and lufy going at
each other kind of in the sky, Lufie trying to punch Kaido kind of
like fire blasting his fist, and I know a lot of people were complaining
that this punch by Lufy seems to be like lasting several chapters. What did
you guys think of that? No, it wasn't it was one chapter.
Well, like I guess the I guess at the end of one chapter it's
introduced, and then one chapter is like the attack being launched, and then
the the beginning of the other chapter is like the conclusion of it. Right,
So it's it's not like in manga. It's not even like the theanim
like he's not floating up there for twenty minutes. You're reading a chapter.
I could literally be twenty seconds in time. One chapter. It is because
it's the chapter. Keep switching to different scenes on on your goss room as
well, exactly. Yeah, and keep in mind, guys, well,
well you look at the amount of panels that he's in the air. Um,
he actually knows that a fly now his new ability, he knew God
like ability taught him how to fly. I like Briggs's power scaling voice.
Yeah, it's fucking awesome. Um yeah, it needs an April Fool's release
like some of the fucking awesome one piece video on scaling. Uh No,
I wanted to say that. Yeah, I think I think they did a
good job of keeping it interesting with like even Kaido's you know, evolved form.
Like again, I don't think it's an awakening. I think the dragon
itself is the awakening. But I think this was a cool like last thing
where it's like it's almost like foreshadowing what could happen with um a kainu,
because you know now his pretty much also like a kainue surround sounded in this
fire lava thing, and Lufy shows, hey, I could deliver a finishing
punch without getting hurt, so it's it's definitely setting it up for him to
be able to handle a kind down the line. Yeah, but using that
special Japanese hockey I mean one, oh yeah, special Japanese hockey boys.
You heard it here first, So you could basically make contact with someone without
actually touching them, Like it's like a yeah, your wills like coming forward,
yeah, round, and you can also do damage internally exactly externally right,
yes, exactly. Yeah, and the Conquerors is like a special thing
which kind of hacks Conquerors users like so much above other people because um yeah,
apparently from what we've seen with Lufy, Zoro from like all strong characters
Conquerors Hockey is like a big key to being one of the strongest m I
honestly can't see the five characters not having conquerors hockey. In chapter one forty
nine, we also get a brief Kaido flashback, like a backstory. Yeah,
yeah, how did you guys think of that? Well, let me
let me just remind myself by getting to it. I haven't opened up on
my remember him as just being a chat at like nine years old. Yeah,
and he's from everybody. He's from the Vodka Kingdom, which is definitely
not inspired by Russia. Yeah, at ten years old, he was called
the Ultimate Soldier. That's seventy million berries at ten. Yeah, although Big
Mom like pretty early on had like five hundred million. But yeah, but
Big Mom at five, at six years old destroyed No, it's five years
old, destroyed half of El Bath and then at six years old probably consumed
a bunch of people and gained the devil fruit. But that's speculation. I
feel like they have to give us more to this flashback because it wasn't really
like a lot. Yeah, I've heard that people say that too, But
I mean, what else do you want? Like, obviously we want rocks
pirates, but that could be delivered at a later time. So what's the
specifically do you want, Briggs? I feel like I want to see like
his interactions with maybe white Beard or yeah, we'll see that down the line
for sure, although something that shaped two he is a little bit more.
Although if Kaido is completely defeated now, which obviously you know we're wondering whether
he is. But if he is, then yeah, it won't hit us
hard. If we get his backstory later, well, he is no longer
as relevant to the story. I think this was good for in terms of
shaping and here's my opinion, because it shows like how, for example,
his kingdom had to pretty much loot and fight other countries in order to pay
the tribute to just be treated as human beings, right, the dragon tribute.
Yeah, and then they just sold him out, sold Kaido to the
Marines so that they could attend the reverie. So it's very much like Kaido's
like why the are you guys doing this? Why don't we were like We're
I'm strong? Why why should I listen to what the celestial dragons say?
And it helped him develop his philosophy where it's like, you know what,
I don't care where people are born, what status they're born in. But
then instead of being like you know, started putting that as the criteria,
he puts strength as the criteria, which is also questionable, but for him,
it's like, you know what, no matter where you start, if
you're the strongest, then you could do whatever you want. You can make
the rules. So I think they did a decent job to actually split up.
So I'm just thinking about it now, like logically, like the first
part of this flashback, we get why he values strength, and hopefully after
he dies, if he did die, we get the second half or why
he kind of wanted to die and why he got defeated and like how he
wanted to leave, like leave a legacy or something like that. You know,
maybe I don't think he died, bro, Like how could he die?
Is a yank? Like, but even even without die, just like
why he wanted to be defeated, Like this guy was kind of suicidal too,
right, So yeah, yeah, I would like to see a backstory
that kind of shaped that a little bit more, Like I still think it
was a good backstory. I wanted I wanted more, you know, well
that kind of ties into u Kaido's real opinion about joy Boy because people thought
that maybe Kaido thought he was joy Boy, and we know that albreak A
King thought that Kaido was joy Boy, but Kaido actually thought that joy Boy
would be the one to defeat him, So that someone defeats him, that
is who joy Boy is and it's him like not holding back. So it's
it's a very interesting kind of thing, and I feel like that might be
shed more light on. But obviously he came to the end of his arc
by having recognizing Lufy as joy Boy and Lufy defeating him, so I think
he definitely defeated him. There's no way Kaido is dead because like he literally
turned into like a magma dragon before going into the magma. The boiling wasn't
enough to finish off Odin this guys at Yanko, like there, he's gonna
be weak and then maybe as we'll get into maybe someone Blackbeard, whatever something
happens, people take advantage of him being weak but dead already, no no
way. Why But why does Kaido want Did he want joy Boy to come?
Was that something he was looking forward to? I think so that's hear
what I said about joy Boy and Kaido or did I cut up? No,
no, we heard you, because yeah, he was having a conversation
with King and he was saying that like Joey Boy would be the one to
defeat him. Yeah, yeah, because my head cut out that I was
checking. No, I agree. He seems happy about it, yeah,
and I agree. I think, um that pretty much him. He wanted
to die, right, we saw this before, and so him waiting for
joy Boy to beat him and joy Boy is this like it is this great
symbol. And even at some point um Kaido was being viewed by as joy
Boy by King, so clearly there was this like optimistic view about it.
Something happened which turned Kaido into a more like you know what, fuck fuck
being the liberator of all, I'm gonna just do my own thing. But
yet he still waited for joy Boy, which was interesting. Yeah, it's
it's weird because Kaido became almost the anti joy Boy in order to like summon
joy Boy. But that would instead of like liberating people, he oppressed them.
And he mercilessly oppresses Wano people. He's like, you dare rebelling remember
a few chopters ago, He's like, you dared rebell against me. Now
I'm gonna press you even worse. You know. Yeah, they don't get
food and water, they don't get you know. There he pollutes their environment.
Like he's quite ruthless. So he's very much like the anti joy Boy.
Yeah, and this doesn't very logical assumption to make, but it's almost
as if like he made sure to oppress people so that joy Boy would have
to appear and like the freedom and he wanted to see joy Boys so like
he finally appeared. So yeah, it was It's I don't think like a
character would do that, like just oppress people to see joy Boy, but
it definitely happened that potentially because obviously there's a pressure going on in many parts
of the world. But Kaido didn't know that Odin believed that Joy Boy would
return in twenty years and that is why wan Tho's borders needed to be open.
So maybe he specifically targeted Wano because he was expecting joy Boy to appear
there. M yeah, so it's like what that I feel like, we
need we need that next fuck that like like the second part of that flashback.
Yeah, you're right, you're right, there is there are definitely missing
pieces as to what exactly does Kaido expect from joy Boy exactly and how does
that relate to everything he's been doing exactly. And I just do want to
just say we can talk about this chapter without mentioning that the reason Kaido was
caught so many times is because when he got hungry, he let himself get
caught by the Marines and then just escaped when he felt like it. So
huge flex on Kaido's part. Absolutely love that detail. If Knox still didn't
animate videos, he could put that in his flexes. Yeah, for sure,
for sure. So in chapter one thousand and forty nine, I know
I might be skipping. That's actually right after the flashback, we see a
CP zero like kind of escaping. Yeah, Onigashima. So there is still
so there's the whole fleet waiting nearby, but there's also still CP zero.
I know, the main one got killed by Kaido, right, but there's
still CP zero here as well. Yeah, they had several agents on only
Goshima. Yeah, and there was talk there was talk about like a kainu
and was a green bull like was was there a conversation about one of them
going to Wana? There wasn't there was a green bull Fujitura discussion, wasn't
it, But I don't know. I don't remember exactly how. Yeah,
we'd have to go back and see, but I know that it was mentioned,
and I'm pretty sure someone was like, I'm down to go if if
you need me to go, and then it wasn't revealed if he was actually
sent. But the reverie people are saying it's the World Government, not the
Marines. But it's like the Marines might come, the World Government is there
first, right, So yeah, that's true. The fleet has on the
sales, the insignia is not Marines, it's World Government. But what does
that exactly mean, right, because you could have the World Government control the
Marines anyway, yes, technically right, And the admirals are under the direct
control of the Celestial Dragons, so there could be admiral's aboard. And if
they're not, there better be some really overpowered other people, because you can't
just send NPC's to take over one oh and defeat the person that took down
Kaido, like there'll be an idiotic move. Yeah, I see, I
could see Fujiara on that fleet for sure, or Kizoo. I think kis
was like cocky enough to be like, yeah, I'll do it, I'll
fucking go, but I think an admiral could definitely be on those ships.
Um at least, and SANGI are in no condition to deal with an admiral
right now, Yes, yeah, And that's what I'm saying is that's what
brings us to the question of what actually happens now. And that's kind of
like what I was dealing within that video. But maybe we should just get
to the end of all the chapters first before we get into the speculation.
Yeah, go ahead, um yeah. So after Kaida's backstory, you know,
the fight between Lucy and Kaida is continuing, that Momo trying to figure
out how to save people from getting crushed by Nigashima, Yamato being like,
Momo, you can do it the moment being nobs good. That was pretty
much this these few chapters. Was Momo overcoming that I can't do Yeah,
and like the people in Nigashima sending up those balloons with wishes that say,
yeah, that was please free us, please beat the scary dragon. And
meanwhile You're like your you guys might just get nuked. Dude. There's like
there's such cute ones like I want to see mommy and stuff like that,
like it's it's too much, bro, it's too much. It's too sad
symbolic. And then we have the latest chapter, which is, well you
didn't say yeah, you didn't say that. In chapter one thousand forty nine,
at the conclusion, literally Kaido gets punched down and he starts like just
keeps on going deeper and deeper into the earth. Oh yeah, sorry,
I thought that was at the beginning of this chapter. But yeah, that's
the end of that. Hand. Another thing to talk about, like how
long Lufy was in the air, Like Lufy's like fifth is like calking into
itself. Gotta remember the name of that technique, but he's kind of used
something like that before, Yes, yeah, like up here four but not
m yeah no, yeah, that is the thing. And one of the
reasons I think Kaido is beat beaten already is that one of the things that
goes into the air, one of the lanterns says beat the scary dragon,
and it's juxtaposed to like right when that moment happens, So it seems like
too perfect for this not to be the end of the battle. Also,
like Lufy's completely knocked out not his form, like he's not conscious right now.
So yeah, Kaido has to be defeated otherwise it's fail. Bro.
Even if Kaido can get up, I think he's pretty he acknowledged his defeat.
I think he'll acknowledge his defeat, like he get up in the fucking
magma and the Earth's core. Yeah, bro, like crawls out of there.
I guess he's like, and he's Kaido. He's his body is insanely
like resistant or he can jump from a sky island and survive. So and
so you know we have to Yeah, and like I said, he surrounded
his body in in fire and like potentially magma and whatever, so it's not
crazy to think that he'd survive. That he got knocked out of his dragon
form while he was falling. But I guess he's still. Yeah, that
is an indication that you know, it could be over. But I don't
think he's dead. No, I agree, he's probably not dead. So
yeah, so both Kaido and Big Mom are now down in like the magma
beneath the key. He's not even standing. How can you die? It
is the end? I think of obviously him being a yanko, but it's
not the end of his life in my opinion. And as as they fall
like underneath they island into the magma, we have Yamato running up to Lufi
and catching him before he falls. That was cute. Yeah, straw Hat.
Her smile after she catches him is so fucking cute. I can't even
Precious smile Precious. I don't think Yamato is gonna join, do you guys
think why? I think this is the problem with Yamato joining. She has
a deity protector of Juano devil fruit, doesn't matter. It would just go
very against that whole idea for her to leave one Odin Odin was supposed to
be the showgun and Knee left for years. So yes, so so I
think there. I think it's less likely, but I would be ecstatic if
she joined. I'd love it, I say, as the protector of Juana
with the dragon and Yamato joined because remember y'amat to want it to go with
Ace and like, if if Ace can't take her, then Lufy's the next
best bit. No, I'd love it. I'd love it. And I
hope that I'm wrong about about her not becoming a strong Yeah, yeah,
I hope I'm wrong too. I think there's a lot going on in Wanno
and it's kind of still in shambles and needs to be like recovered, and
it would be kind of selfish to leave. Yeah, but Yamato is like
the only princess. She's not like a Wano nationalist. Well, I mean
she is hardcore like into protecting Wana, right, Like that's part of her
character at this point. I think that's been established. Yeah, I don't
know, I know, I think it's um I would say it's like a
twenty percent chance he joins the crew. The cool thing is, whoever is
correct, we'll have fucking bragging rights, right Yeah, next next episode,
there could be like there's at least a fifty one percent chance that she joints,
all right. So yeah, And if I was and if I was
old and I'm as a writer I'm trying to create more hype for my own
story, I would do it. Yeah, at the end of the day,
At the end of the day, you are trying to sell manga volumes,
and I think, yeah, she's a great character being a great character
who just stays in one and it becomes irrelevant. I don't think that's a
smart move a while ago. I said that there'd be no more new straw
hats a long time ago, and it's held true up until now. And
this is the first time I think I might actually be wrong. Yeah,
because I think Lufy wanted ten And the question is was he like counting himself?
But if he's not, then we need one more. And if she
doesn't join but Carrott does, then fuck everyone. I mean, how can
Yaba to Joe did not Cariboot. Yeah, that's true, Like we already
have Cariboo and Condi Orianot as the crew, so you can't say that it's
ten. Yeah, you have the Grand Fleet and alliances. Is like literally
anyone can come for a battle potentially, but not everyone needs to be part
of like the main crew, you know, Like clearly Yamato would come help
into in like a final battle if she could. Doesn't mean she has to
be on the crew the whole time, although I would love her to be
on the crew. And I feel like you need another lady too. That
is, that is a good point in terms of um. If there is
a final battle against the World Government, like at the Red Line, and
like everyone's you know, lining up, Lufy can invite the entire straw Had
Fleet and all his allies from the past, but that's still a long ways
off. I feel like, yeah, I'm wondering, what do you what
do you guys think would happen after this? You think we're going to a
black Beard or the World Government? Yeah, so that's that's exactly what I
dealt with in that video, So that we are, I wonder do you
guys think, Yeah, do you guys think that Blackbeard would team up with
the World Government? Do you think they'd be that desperate to get rid of
Lufy? I'd never considered that, so I think obviously the fleet and TP
zero is probably gonna make a move here or try to make a move here.
I think it would just be dumb not to you, Like Lufy's like
knocked out, you know, sure, yeah, like this is their best
chance, and they wanted to kill him before even they awake. He awakened
the potential. Now, I mean they've been living at like the last thousand
chapters by not even trying to make a move on Lufy, so you never
know, Lukey's knocked out, They're like, oh, let's not a bake
up and recover. I think one hundred percent they're gonna try something. Now,
we'll see what happens, and we'll see who's there, because if they
don't have an admiral, it's like, what the fuck are you doing?
Like, what are you gonna do? We still have people awake, right,
we have Jim Bay, like we have you like some other like characters
we've never met but are somehow super overpowered. Like yeah, we have Jim
Bay, Marco and and you know other characters as well. USAP hasn't done
anything yet. What if they bring um, what's his name, Cyborg Kuma?
I don't know. I feel like I wouldn't be like crazy about that,
but like, what would happen? What do you what was your well?
I'm saying like maybe because you know how celestial dragons non control them as
a slave, maybe they brought him to fight lufy. Yeah, but what's
that going to do? Yeah? Who were he saw him? Like,
it wouldn't be that like interesting. So I want to talk about this last
Pano Boys a little bit because I'd never even really like was like thinking about
it because when I saw the whatever, like they silhouettes, right, the
silhouettes exactly, So it says I'm not like like Momo says, I'm not
Kaido and blah blah blah, like he went over to the main area and
before this, before this, we have to say that he also said to
Zunesha, he doesn't want to open Moano's borders yet. Yeah, they were
having a very casual conversation like that the well spoken elephant. No, I
mean yeah, and there are theories like hed have been a human before and
then transformed into an elephant and stuff like that. Yeah, so that's something
to mention too, because obviously you would expect now Momo to be like,
Yowe beat Kaida, We're opening the borders, but he's like, I don't
want to open them yet, and then Zunesha is like, okay, I'll
respect your decision. But that was like a big mysteries like why exactly to
say that. Yeah, And I think some people are taking that to be
like yo Wuano is not over um until Momo opens the borders, but in
honesty, he might open it, like after loofy fulfills his destiny and like
gets the one piece and liberates the world sort of thing. So I think
they need a little bit of time, you know, like they don't just
thought it would be weird. There's a fleet waiting outside, Like I'm not
sure if he knows about that obviously, but like well knows can tell them.
I think they both they probably know that, Like this is not like
officially over yet. We haven't even recovered why are we opening the borders?
But why say that, like I will not open the orders yet if like
he knows this right, So in my opinion, he's not gonna open the
borders after this arc. I think it's gonna take longer because it seems like
obviously you're not gonna open the border when you have them like the world's government
right right there. Like he didn't need to say that unless he was thinking
like like not anytime soon, like but he's gonna explain it more later for
sure. Interesting. Um, Sam said something about like talk about big Mom's
hole, like you're sick, bro? Come on, yeah, Bro,
this isn't the play. Why did your mind go there? Animax? He's
talking about the hole that she's I don't know, Um, but no,
what were you gonna say? I think Briggs, you were starting to talk
about that before, So how do we know? I don't know. I
wasn't even thinking about like this whole thing about like adult momo. Like when
I looked at the philhouette, originally like the person in the middle was Lady
k Kumadasaki. He version to the left, um was what's his name?
Fucking yeah, Kyoshito or whatever? And then which which figure do you think
is? I think it doesn't matter one behind. I think it doesn't.
Yeah, there's a big proof. So you could tell he went back to
his human form. And you guys are assuming he's still in like an adult
form. Yeah, of course, So he's definitely an adult form. Yeah,
there's no way he's going back. I feel like he's gonna be adult
for the whole rest of his life. Really see what he looks like?
Yeah, we'll see. Um it is like, so did all the freaking
Scabbard survive? Um? Well, Rizo did because they had, like come
on, man, some of them had to have died, like they're soul
to me, Like, I guess not replaceable, but killable. In terms
of the story, I think I think Kasha might be dead. Yeahs should
be dead, should be dead for sure. Yeah. I again, it's
one piece, like and I don't really think that Ashra dying or not dying
will really change the way I feel about the arc um. I wouldn't be
surprised if we saw like everybody, well some scabbards should be dead man,
because like, yeah, I knew Keena one wouldn't die because of the whole
wife thing, which was like, as I said before, a Chekhov's gun.
But I do think that, you know, you have to have some
consequences for this big war. Do you remember that pell guy Bro, that's
just like yeah, yeah, like now he doesn't die. I'm not convinced,
you know, until it's confirmed, Like Ace, I'm not convinced.
Yeah, yeah, near death that means nothing, dude, Guys. The
underwater volcanic eruption, was that where Ido like went in likening the the volcano
erupted. That's true, Yeah, um so, but he was wasn't hit
into the into the water? Was he he was hitting? No, but
like he somehow managed to get I'm guessing into that pool of magma, and
the thing that erupted brought out that pool, so I'm guessing like he went,
they brought him and Big Mom out with the explosion of the volcano.
I'm guessing. Um, I think Momo senses that he's not a threat anymore,
because he says, he says at some point the eruption was the final
drumbeat signaling the end of Kaido's Supreme Commander of the Animal Kingdom Pirates. Yes,
I think, yeah, you could say that the volcano indicates maybe Kaido's
coming back. But then on that very panel you have the narrator saying winners
straw hat loof he So it will be weird exactly if then, oh no,
Kaido's actually coming back and it's been revised. It's we've been revised one.
So if he revised it again, that would just be like what like,
we're just going back and forth now. So the one revision was fair,
but I don't think we're revising it twice. Yeah, I mean Wano
has dragged on long enough, and I don't think the raid has dragged on.
It just it feels long because it's weekly. But I feel some of
the early acts of WANO definitely work quite long. I'm not convinced Wano is
over. I'm convinced that the battle between title it's over, But again,
what the fuck happens now? It might very much like affect how long we're
in because if if black Beard shows up right now, then that'll obviously be
more chapters that if he doesn't up right this this is what I'm thinking,
and this is what I was talking about in that video. Um. Yeah,
So we have the fleet out there, and that is a clearly an
unresolved plot point that has to be resolved before Juano ends. Now, the
question is is this fleet actually going to go to war with the remnants,
you know, the people in Wano, the shogun, the samurai and the
straw Heads who are still able to fight and like Yamato, Are they going
to be fighting against the fleet while the other ones who can't, like Lufi
and Zoro, recuperate, which will take several chapters, one would assume,
Or is it going to be something like the straw has just like escaping from
the fleet. But then that wouldn't also make sense because then you're leaving the
people of Wano in tyranny again, like they were tyrannized by Orochi and Kaido
and now they're being tyrannized by the World government, which wouldn't really make sense
because what I emphasize so hard the importance of you know, freeing the people
of Wanna and ending their sufferings. So it wouldn't make sense if Wano literally
ended with them just being under the yoke of the World Government and the straw
has escaping the fleet. Now, I was thinking if a third party showed
up and just took out the fleet quickly, that would then lead us into
the next arc. That could be Zunesha. Zunesha just goes fucking beast mode
and just crushes all the ships. Yeah, I don't see that happening.
Or it could be Dragon's Revolutionary Army showing up. That would like that because
Dragon now has the perfect reason to work with Lufy. Yeah, and also
obviously he always wanted likes attacking the World Government, so that would make perfect
course. Now they now they are going to team up soon. I'm calling
it Lufi and Dragon. Now their alignment is so close. Before Lufy was
just like, you know, I want to have a good time, I
want to eat where pirates. Now he's pretty much the worry of liberation,
and he pretty much said he wants to liberate people. So now it's perfectly
alignment with Dragon's goal, which is also liberation. So the team up is
coming, boys, the team up is coming. Yeah. And another option
could be Blackbeard shows up and destroys the World Government fleet, but then what
would be the reason, Like black Beard would have to have his own crazy
reason for this would meet to help Lufy, So then we would have to
have a reason for that. And then again, what happens after does black
we would just say I'll see later straw hats or does he attack them or
what happens? I feel like you're onto something. I think the problem is.
I think there needs to be someone important on that fleet, like the
World Government. If they just sent a bunch of MPCs, that would be
like, like you said, that is so dumb. There has to be
someone important on that fleet. Otherwise the Junisia could just fucking knock them all
over exactly, and there's no way that would be so anticlimactic. Just defeated
the government that was expected to take down Lufy's team after they beat Kaido and
and then take over everything like that would be ridiculous. Yeah, we know
it won't be like Garp because Garp is not he's as a vice hammiral.
He's not responsible to the world, to the celestial Dragons. Yes, and
you can't trust them because of the Lufi connection. Yeah, My favorite scenario
is Shanks and the Red Hair Pirates show up. They crushed the fleet,
and then when Lufy wakes up, that is when he sees Shanks standing over
him. And that's where we have the big Shanks Lufy reunion, because I
would be huge. This is the perfect time for that. Lufy has prominent
proven himself. Two Yankos have fallen. The balance has been disturbed in the
world, you know, the global balance. The Nika devilfrud was revealed,
the very fruit that um Shanks gave him. Like if there's ever a perfect
time for Shanks and Lufy to have their reunion, it's right now. And
of course they both have a personal rivalry with Blackbeard, so them two teaming
up against black Beard makes perfect sense. Yeah. My only thing is I
feel like Blackbeard has to do something big, maybe off screen, like attacks
to parallel Loufy's growth, Like black Beard takes over Elbath and then they have
to go to Elbath to live. Not everyone could show up now, Like
it can't be like the final arc and this is where the war happened,
you know, like, yeah, we had it could be big, but
they can't be like, oh, Shanks and White Beard, and I mean
Shanks and black Beard and the World Government like everyone's here Like that just too
much. Yeah, Maria though, like I said, I keep saying,
Maria's with black Beard, and Maria wanted revenge against Kaito, So I really
want to believe that black Beard will show up, even if, like they
obviously don't get into the fight right now. Well that's the thing though,
I think, with how much has happened in Juana, you know, the
Nika Devil for revealed, Devil Fruit Awakening, two Juncos defeated, like it's
not we can't just go back to now an arc of nothing really big happening,
like, no, no, I have to have some of the big
breathing room. The big plot points have to be moved forward. That includes
Shanks and black Beard, that includes revolutionaries and Emu Summa, and of course
the one Piece and Elbaf is likely going to be you know, the next
big destination. So of course every arc after this is going to be huge.
I agree. I just think, like, I don't think they're just
gonna all show up to Juana. I guess they could, so no one
thinks black Beard is just gonna beat Shanks off screen. Yeah, like I
said, I like Shanks showing up beating the fleet and he's like, Lufy,
we gotta go. Black Beard just took over Elbeth and he's got some
shit planned. Yeah, I don't know, Like Shanks teaming up with this
Lufy and the straw Hats against black Beard. It's just so overpowered, Like
unless black Beard did something crazy, like I said, like that would just
be insane, Like I don't know how how that would be exciting in the
sense that there's just so much beyond black Beard's crew that we know well.
So it's the thing is elbef probably has some secrets that are going to be
desirable in terms of power. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like
I like to see what black Beard and Shanks, like what happens between them,
because they've been set up as like this rivalry. You know, you
know who gave him Shanks the scars, It was black Beards. Shanks went
to warn everyone about black Beard, including white Beard. So to me,
it's just like there needs to something happened between them before Loofy beats Blackbeard.
I could see Blackbeard killing Shanks. Yeah, like that to me would make
sense story wise, and then black Beard's bounty goes up in accordance with Lufy,
and he's seen as a bigger threat. But fan wise, I feel
like people would be outraged. Yeah, I agree, that's not gonna happen,
But if black Beard showed up and stole the Nika fruit from a past
out Loofy, then you would definitely not say that Shanks of Lufy are overpowered
against black Here's the thing. Black Beard's not gonna steal Loofy's fruit, but
black Beard can nullify the effects of fruits, so it's kind of like you
can't really look at Loofy's fruit for the Blackbird fight. And he has the
quake quake fruit as well. Yeah, so black Beard is going to have
the huge advantage when it comes to fruit powers. So Lufy is going to
need to rely on other stuff like advanced conquerors, hockey and stuff like that.
And some people doesn't use a food from what we know, so Shanks
could. Yeah, so it could be like two non Foo users, but
again, it seems like a too heavy, too much power on one side
compared to the other. We'll see, but I personally think that at this
point, you know, Lufy and Shanks need to have their reunion, Like
at this point, it's just a fucking cock tea. They either need to
have it or black Beard prevents them from having it, and then Lufy needs
to get revenge against black Beard, so like, yeah, one or the
other, and then Lufy, like at Shanks's grave, like has the reunion,
gives them back the hat, puts it on Shanks's grave, being like
I think I finally did it. Bro Well, that would be at the
very end, because like Lufy's still going to use a straw hat for the
rest of the Yeah, it would be at the end, right, it
would be after like he beats the big antagonist, black Beard, and yeah,
I think the World government. That's the other question. Is the final
antagonist Blackbeard or is it the World Government? Think it's both. I think
it's both. I think shit's gonna happen together because I mean, yeah,
if you beat one or the other, I feel like the other won't to
be a big deal. I think they're gonna combine the two into one arc
in my opinion, unless we get like way stronger characters from the Marines,
because so far, like I don't think Emo is necessarily even a fighter,
you know what, I mean like you could just be like an insanely smart
guy that woman or a woman that controls the the world like a puppeteer,
but like it might not be powerful, you know, so it depends.
Yeah, we'll see there's a lot of stuff going on. It's gonna be
very interesting. But yeah, I firmly believe that everything from this point has
to get super epic. You can just have like, oh, we're gonna
go cruise for a while and have like a little filler arc like that's not
gonna happen. No, it's not gonna be an arc. I agree.
It could be like some chapters of like there's a new bounty. Yeah,
yeah, that will be called the post Wanno arc, right, but the
next big arc needs to needs to happen. Yeah, it's just like when
they got to Wanna and they had that like chapter just like more visual than
anything, just exploring the beauty of Wanno. Right. Um. I think
it might be something like that where it's just like a breather that's not action
stuff. But it's definitely not gonna be a whole arc. No way,
We're not gonna have a Foxy fight. The situation right now, m h
all right, Well, I think that's all stuff that happens on Juanna like
or something in between that they're traveling. I think it's possible, but before
the next arc, yeah, I mean I don't think. I don't agree
with that. I don't think Wando is gonna end next chapter, Like there're
still gonna be several chapters of like post battle stuff and potentially even in fleet
stuff. But I'm saying the next big destination has to be major, like
it has to be like Elba or something big, right for sure. But
yeah, sometimes they do like a small ark in between, like Zoe is
a small ark in between, like huge arcs between like Wano and Whole Cake
and Dress Rosa and all that shit. Yeah, we'll see, we'll see.
Like again, I'm also open to like whatever. The only thing is,
it can't be like it won't be interesting battle wise against anybody else other
than like black Beard or the World Government. So there there could be arcs
progressing, like the plot about like the One Piece and stuff like that.
Like I honestly agree about the World Government. I'd welcome that. I'd probably
lean towards them, like fitting that in between the big fights. But yeah,
we'll see. Yeah, boy, I don't think I don't think it
was in any rush. I think that I hope you'll go on front five
less years as a YouTuber makes videos on One Piece. I hope we get
many more years along. I told you could go to like fifteen hundred chapters
easily, but um, we'll see. I can't remember we all placed the
bed like a year ago on the chapter number. I still remember what number
I said. I said, fifteen hundred easily, So we'll see. Oh
you be you be mentioned in this chat. I think whatever happened at Reverie
is going to impact the straw Hats go next. Like remember, we still,
if I'm correct, don't know what's happening with Sabo. Yeah, you're
right, we don't, so Lufy might want to team up with Dragon to
like see what's up with Sing. Don't know what happens with Sambo. We
don't know what happened to Vivum. Someone died, I am assuming it's Cobra
who died, But we'll see. Yeah, so there's a lot of stuff
to kind of explore there. But definitely I think we're we can't say we're
like not near the end of One Piece as a whole, just because like
Lufy has become so strong right now, but I still think we could have
like five years to go or more so, I think people are underestimating so
first Raft said in Chat No Rush, I'll honestly, Kindo's flashback was seriously
right. I agree, but I think there's gonna be a second part to
it. I mean, I hope so can. I agree that that's what
we talked about throughout the podcast. And someone that is not going to fifteen
hundred, I think it's probably going over fifteen hundred, Big Doug. I
also think like it's so funny how one piece fans like um complain about everything
in a sense of like you know, they're like, oh, I didn't
get enough of the title flashback and yet like those same guys probably said before
like one of those lasting too long, Like there's just so much conflicting opinions,
and like, yeah, let's just see what happens when the arcs complete
and then judge it like going way too I feel like people are going chapter
by chapter and making assumptions and then like judging the arc as a whole.
It's like, yeah, we'll see, we'll see, all right. It's
a good place to ended. Boys, Yeah, for sure, great as
always, guys, discussing the one piece version is always fun. Um,
we're gonna be back again when we have a few chapters to discuss everybody.
Next chapter one fifty one could be he we don't have the spoilers yet,
so we don't know, but it could be huge. Um. I feel
like every chapter could be huge from now on. Yes, and I'm personally
pushing for just like every chapter comes out, we do an episode. But
we'll see, we'll see, we'll see. Yeah, we might end up
doing that if if like well if my Shanks is coming to one oh,
theory come proves. Yeah, especially if we have a big chapters, like
why not dam down for that? Like since Narrato Virgin ended right exactly,
we have a whole We don't do it every week, but like if it's
a big chapter or two chapters, like it's actually with the ship that's going
on now, I'm down to talk about it, even if it's if it's
only a thirty minute podcast, because this one, this is a big podcast
and we have like one piece. We haven't done an episode in like a
month over a month and a half since the last one In this one,
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