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We head to the Turkey this week
and the continual exploration and discovery found at

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the oldest temple in the world known
as go Beckley Tepee. Now, we're

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also going to talk about a recent
discovery of a new tepee, which is

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Carahan Teppee, just a few miles
from Go Beckley Teppe, and the amazing

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sculptures of these underground temples which is
revealing an unknown civilization at the end of

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the last Ice Age. My guest
today is Hugh Newman, who's presenting his

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latest book, Go Beckley Teppe.
Carahan Teppee, the World's First megalis all

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this than more Today on Earth Ancients
for Saturday, October twenty eighth, twenty

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twenty three. This is Earth Ancients. I'm your host, Cliff Dunning.

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Hey, how are you. I
hope you're well today. Come on in

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have a seat. Today we are
talking about and discussing the oldest what is

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considered a temple in go Beckley Teppee, Turkey. We've had a number of

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people on the program who have been
there, who have looked at it,

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including Graham Hancock, Robert Shock,
a number of people. But I would

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say that my guest today Hugh Newman
has been there more than anyone else.

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In fact, he's been there almost
from the beginning. To look at Go

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Beckley Teppe and Carahan Teppee in Turkey, it's of great interest to me.

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In fact, we are adding a
visit to go Beckley Teppe on our first

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annual Turkey Earth Ancients Tour, which
is going to be August fourteenth through the

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twenty fourth and I'm looking forward to
seeing it. But today Hugh, again

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more than anyone else, has really
captured the understanding and the essence of it

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better than anyone else. And we're
talking National Geographic and Smithsonian newspaper and reporting

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as well as a lot of independent
research. Now, one of the reasons

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that today's interesting is that he's not
only going to talk about Go Beckley Teppe

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and some of the newest discoveries,
he's also venturing a few miles south and

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visiting Carahan Teppee. And we had
Hugh and his other research partner JJ Ainsworth

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talking about and discussing in the past
the underground complexity of this Karrahan Teppee and

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most notably the sculptures. Now he
wasn't able to discuss the sculptures with as

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much clarity as he'll be presenting today, because the details of these sculptures are

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mind blowing. And if you had
a chance to see the Netflix special Ancient

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Apocalypse, Graham spins, Graham Hancock
spends almost an entire program inspecting krahand Teppy,

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talking to the local Turkish authorities and
getting greater clarity on what the feeling

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is of they would carve these into
the wall and what the details are.

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Now. One of the things that
I think is for a look is the

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fact that independent researchers like Hugh Newman, like Andrew Collins, like Graham Hancock

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are making some profound discoveries based on
past work of other people, including doctor

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Klaus Schmidt, who actually excavated go
Beckley Teppe and it you know, some

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of the thinking, it's pretty radical, but it's beginning to make sense.

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And what's fascinating, and this fits
right into the Earth Ancients theme is these

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survivors of the last Ice Age are
likely from the earlier epoch, the last

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survivors of the earlier epoch and the
whole scorched earth catastrophe that Hancock talks about,

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and also Robert Schock and many others, so we have a lot to

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talk about. It's a fascinating program. There's going to be a gallery of

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photographs that Hugh has recently sent me
that I'll have posted on the Facebook page

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that gives you more detail and close
ups of the sculptural release of these figures.

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It's just very odd and kind of
shocking as well, and I don't

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know if that's the effect or it's
just the fact that they're over twelve thousand

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years old and we've never seen anything
like that. So that's our program today.

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I wanted to speak to Jen Dale, are in house archaeologist, and

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here's a short recording of her impressions
of go Beckley Teppy and Carahan Teppy.

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So this week we're discussing go Beckley
Teppy and Carahan Teppy. Of course that's

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in Turkey, in one of the
oldest parts of the world, and I

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am amazed at not only the great
age of these so called temples. My

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guest today is Hugh Newman, but
I wanted to bring in our own archaeologists,

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and that's Jen Dalo. Jen actually
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I didn't know that, Jen.
How are you doing? How are things

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going on? How are you doing
classic? I'm great, good, It's

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good to see you too. Yeah, I wanted to bring you in your

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staff person here, you can kind
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is the new discovery. But you
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of these so called temples, they're
ancient. Twelve thousand years old. Is

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like it's still putting people on a
spin. The orthodoxy is kind of going,

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wow, how do we how do
we frame it? And it's began

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to show up. It's beginning to
show up a National geographic but they did

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a whole program on it. I
think the Smithsonian one. Smithsonian did one

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too. But I'm curious, what's
your opinion of these being underground? They're

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not surface dwellings. They're cut into
the to the ground in some cases cutting

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to the bedrock. And then they
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But why would they do that,
why would they actually place them in an

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underground kind of a setting. Well, I mean, it's really it's interesting.

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How I contextualize it, or how
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You know, these structures, these
megalithic structures kind of mark the end

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of the Paleolithic period in the sense
where you have the end of the Paleolithic

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kind of that, you know,
Stone Age time of hunter and gathers,

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and you move into the Neolithic.
We're calling this an early Neolithic site,

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both of the sites, and so
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there's some sort of religious or cosmological
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But also perhaps it had another effect. We know that the end of the

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Paleolithic was a very catastrophic, dangerous
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you had a number of cataclysmic events
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it probably had these early Neolithic end
of the Paleolithic people freaking out because I

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would freak out too. I tend
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as kind of a an ode to
death. Essentially, is how I percede

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them. I think that they Now, how do I know that? I

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don't know that I'm perceiving that based
on other sites that are very similar,

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like, for instance, in Malta
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their sites that were also megalithic subterranean. So it tells me that there's some

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related behavior associated and then as far
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cult? What were they doing there? So my interpretation of this is when

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you have a lot of dead people, a lot of people who have died,

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you haven't been able to manage how
they're buried, the care of their

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spirit. So what you're going to
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so that you can do a mass
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put them at peace. Therefore,
I e. The death cult. That's

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kind of how I think about it. When you look at the images that

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they have at go Becley Tepe and
Karen Tepe, they have an emaciated man

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holding his fallas there are all sorts
of animals dancing around. And this is

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a little known fact, is that
a lot of rock art, or not

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a lot of it, but a
good amount of rock art, when death

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is presumed or when death is seen
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holding his fallus and dying. Apparently
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When you're when you're a man,
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a way of asserting or showing that
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That's kind of my perception of it. Again, that's just my hot

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take. Yeah, it's funny you
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was at the Karenhan Teppe site,
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sculptures. In huge previous book with
JJ and Ainsworth, he shows this head

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at Karenhan Teppe that's cut into the
side of the wall that apparently was used

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to gaze at the winter solstice.
The solstice would hit it and the light

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would cover certain parts of the phase, and as the sun rose it covered

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more and more and more, and
then it faded. And this only happened

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once or twice a year for the
the solstice. So they must have still

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practiced enough of the cosmological method so
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which is very very important if you
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your feeling that these these temples were
death called temples and that they were used

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for kind of ceremonially wishing well the
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at that time. I think that
that's definitely one aspect of it. I

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know that in h I believe it's
Goble Tepe. They have an image that's

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been scratched in the stone, of
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emerging, something to that effect.
So I think that they were recognizing perhaps

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you know, their their finite time
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And furthermore, I think why they
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that's the big question. Why did
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covered in dirt and and soil?
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is, I think that these sites
became taboo if you think in terms of

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you know, once uh a deceased
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person who handles them is seen as
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or something to that effect. Ordinarily
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purification process with fire or water,
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Maybe when that last priest died that
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side or not Sandlurfa at karen Tepe, they thought well, it's time to

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bury this one, will build the
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structures built after one after the other, and they're filled in at different times,

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so you know, it kind of
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That person dies, we move on, and it's fairly common that when

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a person dies or when someone passes
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raise their house in some way.
No one can live there again. Right.

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Yeah. Do you find any similar
sites around the world or other Middle

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Eastern countries that have what looks like
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similar to these Tepi sites. No, but you can definitely see an evolution

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in Turkey from go Becley Tepe,
Karrahan Tepe into like sites like chital Hayek

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also in Turkey, which is that
it still has that underground component. You

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see a lot of the imagery,
but you're no longer seeing megalithic structures.

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You're seeing things that are much more
you know, they can move, they

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can be picked up and transported wherever
that person goes or wherever that group goes.

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There's also the idea that a new
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wanted to just eliminate this idea or
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had and they just said no more
of this, were burying it. They

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didn't desecrate it or destroy it.
They just buried it because they probably didn't

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want the bad energy from that or
you know, the bad fallout from destroying

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these temple complexes. Yeah. I
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was desecrated in some way. And
what's really weird is that there is I

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mean, we've only seen two of
perhaps twenty or thirty of these underground temples,

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and it would be amazing if we
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it's actually older, maybe sixteen thousand
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have to wonder why are they taking
so long? Yeah, I mean I

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think that there is a rich history
of people going underground throughout Turkey, as

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well as Paleolithic people, you know, going into caves and cave systems.

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All right, Jen, Hey,
real great, appreciate the insight, and

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we'll talk to you again. Do
you class. So we're gonna get specific

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details from Hugh Newman, who has
been to Turkey and both of these sites

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go Beckley Tappy and Karrahm Teppy and
seeing actually the unveiling of the temple before

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any major reporting was done. And
we're talking about Krahan Teppe, which is

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fascinating. So today's program is with
Hugh Newman, and the program is Go

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Beckley Teppy, Carahan Teppy, the
World's First Megalis. It's always going to

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talk to Hugh Newman. Hugh is
the world traveler. We've had him on

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many many times. Hugh is in
England, but he is all over the

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place. And I mean literally,
if you go to megal Lithomania, his

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brand, I mean really, megal
Lithomania is Hugh Newman's brand. When you

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think of that term, that's all
about Hugh. And he is traveling constantly.

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He has been in Turkey most recently, and from his trips to Go

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Beckley Teppe and now Karrahan Teppe,
he has produced a book called Go Beckley

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Teppy Carahan Teppe, The World's First
Megalist, and I've just got a copy

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of it is fantastic and we want
to talk about that today. So we

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have Hugh with us. Hugh,
how you doing, man, how's it

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going? I'm really good, Cliff, how are you doing? I'm doing

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great? Hey. I want to
ask you have you calculated how many miles

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you've traveled in the last say four
years? It must be easily a million

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miles, right, I just don't
think about it. I just kind of

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best you don't think about it.
But you do travel a lot, so

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you know, yeah enough. I
mean we have plenty of downtime. You

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know, I have time to write
this book, for instance, So we

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get plenty of time here in England
to work away on projects. But yeah,

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we enjoy it. We just get
itchy feet. We just you know,

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we know what's out there to explore
and we're just desperate to go and

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look at as much of it as
possible. Let's talk about go, Beckley

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Tappy First. Now, you were
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ago when klaud Schmidt was still alive. Did you meet with him after the

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first announcement of this sight or how
did you connect with him? In twenty

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thirteen. It was my first visit
in September that year. I actually went

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with Andrew Andrew Collins also, it
was we went with Graham Hancock that year,

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who I've just just been with recently
in America and it was his first

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visit. It's his first time there
as well. So and yeah, Klaubschmid

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was around then, he was running
the site. We spoke to him briefly

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each time We were there for a
couple a couple of visits over the two

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or three years, and then he
died a few years later, unfortunately.

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But his work there was exemplary.
He was the main man, and I

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think his ideas actually resonate more today
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putting the idea forward that this was
the first temple, this was the first

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ancient megalithic temple on the planet.
Was like the I think the subtitle was

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Quebecley to be the world's first temple, and sometimes with a question mark,

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National Geographic called that as well.
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this is before roofs went over it. This was before a lot of it

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was even excavated, to be honest
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thought it could be even older,
and there's going to be more sites that

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match this and possibly older as well. And he was saying that back in

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twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, and
he was also connecting it with like the

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Annarchy or possibly the watchers of the
Book of Enoch, you know, even

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way back then, which I think
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fascinated people like me you know who
was just you know, realizing this is

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a whole different thing that's being uncovered
here. That's anything, because nothing really

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that old, especially megalithic and beautifully
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So it's a real it's a real
anomaly. But now there's so much more

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being uncovered. It's like it's what
I call a super civilization that stretches nearly

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two hundred kilometers wide in this area
in southeast Turkey, and there's twelve official

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sites called test Tepela or Stone Hills
sort of culture, but as possibly thirty,

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maybe even forty in reality. Let's
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guess what early two thousand's talk a
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how what was discovered and Schmid's part
of the German Institute, right the university

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funded the institute. Give us the
background of how it was found, and

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then how did Schmidt get involved with
excavating that site. It began in the

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mid nineties. I think nineteen ninety
four was when he first spotted something there,

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because he was already excavating a site
called Navali Chori, which is further

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north next to the Euphrates River and
that's another preparty neolithics a little bit later

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than kubecley Teppe, and also I
think gertue Tepe was another site. He

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started excavating them. But when he
kind of was looking at some research that

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was done in the sixties by Peter
Benedict and some archaeologists who were looking at

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the area where go Beckley Tebbe is. They thought then in the sixties,

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oh, it's just some Byzantine site
or Islamic site. They weren't sure of

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its great graves. But then when
Claud Schmidt went to look for himself,

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he realized, no, this is
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and he got permission. It took
him a year or two years to get

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permission, but already they discovered this
small human you know, stone statue.

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But the weird thing is that it
was one of the statues with the male

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Pallas sticking out of it as well. And so this caught was a bit

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embarrassing for the religious folk there at
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Eventually went to the museum. Another
stone at the top of a tea

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pillar was also found sticking out of
the ground with a little kind of lizard

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type figure on it. The Carlos
like, really that was kind of the

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marker, right, the columns or
the t stones were sticking out, and

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it's like, what the hell is
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that they I think it coumbectually tepically
just found a couple of things around the

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surface. It was at Karrahan Tepe
where they were sticking out of the ground

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for am okay. But then so
then they really they got into it.

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The German archaeological team supported by Turkey
as well, got into it and they

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started excavating probably in nineteen ninety six. Wasn't really announced to the world until

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around two thousand and then. Our
good friend Andrew Collins actually had a chance

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and he visited there were two thousand
and four, actually, not long after

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it had started to be excavated.
Even then, you know, like the

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vulture stone or pillar forty three wasn't
even discovered, for instance, you know,

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back in two thousand and four.
And then it kind of slowly as

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they excavated more they realized this is
something profound, tons of artifacts coming out

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of the ground, huge site,
and it was really noticeable because on the

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top of the hill is what's called
the wish tree. It's a mulberry tree,

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and that's been a kind of place
of pilgrimage for hundreds of years,

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you know, before the site was
discovered. Just interesting just so people know,

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you know, they were where the
whole site was deliberately covered over at

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the end of its use, way
back way back when you know, ten

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thousand years ago, so probably used
for a couple of thousand years, so

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it's covered over. So civilizations came
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the Christians, the Romans. Everyone
else didn't even know it was there,

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none of the sites in the area
because they were all covered over. They

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were just like hills. But at
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mulberry teel, the wish tree,
and there's traditions there that's still there today

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where women would go up there and
wish for a healthy childbirth. It was

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like a fertility site, even before
they knew anything was underneath there. And

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now myself and jj Ainsworth's research now
kind of suggests that these sites were a

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linked to fertility. It was a
big thing. Now all the artifacts and

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the symbolism that has come forth,
so yes, so you know, even

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though it was covered over and forgotten
about. It's always called e Beeckley Teppe,

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which means pop belly hill. It
also can translate in different versions of

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Kurdish and Turkish Armenian as to the
hill of miracles, the wish, the

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wishing hill and things like this.
Even it's various out of variations, but

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generally it means naval or pop belly
hill, which is really interesting, so

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that that's the kind of pregnant kind
of thing associated with it. So let's

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get into the age. This is
what makes this site an amazing discovery because

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it's I guess it's give me the
carbon dat in the second here it's the

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end of the plus to scene or
the ice age that this site is placed

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in. US So carbon dating gives
it around nine thousand plus BC, which

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is twelve what is it twelve five
hundred or twelve and eight hundred for go

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Beckley Teppe and Krahan is older or
younger. Well, there's a big there's

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big debates about this actually, but
but officially the dating of Quebecley type of

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the oldest they found through a different
charcoal they found at the bottoms of some

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of the stone walls and the enclosures. Enclosure D I think is the main

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one. They go back to nine
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six hundred years ago. But you
know, I've looked at the data

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and you can see all the tests
they've done and some of them do appear

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within a few hundred years either side
of that, So it could be a

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bit older. It could be twelve
thousand years old, but they've only tested

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certain amounts of things there, so
it could actually be older than this,

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because we've found sites now up near
the Tigris River further to the east,

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to the east northeast where they're at
least twelve thy to thirteen thousand years old,

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like Bond Chocolutala called it Tepe,
grief Lahoyek and other sites. And

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now there was a big thing that
came out about Carahan Tape as well about

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a year and a year and a
half ago, claiming it was older than

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qebecley Tepe. Now I've talked to
them thoroughly about I've talked to some archaeoli,

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we talked to the landowners about this, and there's a bit of a

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bit of an error there. What
it is that the earliest dat and they've

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got for a constructed part of the
site is nine thousand and four hundred BC

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or eleven thousand, four hundred years
ago, so two hundred years younger than

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Quebecley Teppy. Now, I'm not
sure why the balloon is just is your

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birthday coming up? I just got
a bunch of balloons in my face?

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Yeah, I'm not sure what happened
there. That's quite funny. Yeah,

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maybe you want to edit this.
Well, that's the video. People are

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listening along. We're good to go. Go ahead. And so with Carahan

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Tappee, there was a thing that
came out like a year year and a

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half ago, claiming it was older, you know, and it's not.

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It's actually nine thousand and four hundred
BC, eleven thousand, four hundred years

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ago. But what we found,
is what they found up on the site

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is that it was occupied. There
was people passing through there, like hunting

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gatherers going back at least a thousand
years before that now, but none of

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them. But there's nothing constructed they
can find before nine thousand, four hundreds.

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That's why people think it's older,
but actually the site itself is not,

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because there's people moving around this landscape
you know, all over the place

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at this time, this was a
hunter gatherer society. Why are we calling

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it a hunter gatherer because when I
think of that, that's stone age And

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the other problem with that terminology is, and we're going to talk about this

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in a minute, Hugh, these
pits, these temples have very ornate carvings,

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very ornate cuttings of these pillars that
weigh tons, and how can that

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be? Hundreds of gatherers, to
my knowledge and my feeling, are very

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rudimentary people. So define it a
little better. Yeah, So you've got

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like traditionally like before Quebec, except
even during the first phases they claim now

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it was like a hunter gatherer population. So the you knows, as it

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stated in the name, it's just
people appear to be wandering about, not

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really settling anywhere, moving around through
the different seasons, hunting through the different

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seasons and everything else, and collecting
wild plants and you know, hunting animals

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and things like this, and fish
as well in the rivers. But you

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know, really, you know,
it's difficult to kind of agree with that

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anymore, because they found a whole
bunch of site, as I mentioned,

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up near the Tigris and possibly there's
going to be more found out down near

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kubeckley Tepe. There's a CYC called
Kkmac Tepe as well, which was a

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settled area that's older than Gobeckley Teppe
for instance, but unlyar the Tigris.

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All these sites here they were hunting
gatherer populations, but they were also settling.

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They were building constructions. They were
building small mud brick houses, possibly

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roofs on and things like this,
and so it's not as as clear cut

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as what people think. And even
the first phase of Goebeckley Teppe appears to

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be supposedly built by hunter gatherers because
there's no evidence of any you know,

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plant domestication or you know, animal
domestication or anything like that. So it

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kind of, you know, it
didn't really come out of nowhere Quebecley Tepe,

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but something was innovated really quickly around
nine thousand, six hundred BC,

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and it reached another level of complexity
and innovation. Before that, it was

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not so advanced. So yeah,
it's quite intriguing that you have that.

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And then then one of the weird
things is and this is now agreed upon

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by archaeologists, even Nesmi Carol mentioned
this, he's the head archaeologist Carahan and

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Goebeckley now said that yet, definitely
agriculture developed after the building of the structures

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of Carahan Tepe and Qebecley Teppe,
not before, not you know, at

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the very beginning, but that they
almost it's almost like the people who built

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these sites were instigating this new way
of life. And weirdly, even the

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Sumerian stories talk about this Age Old
time of the gods in the very first

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time building constructions of wood and stone
and then laying out channels for water,

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which you do actually find at these
sites, and then agriculture developed after that.

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So even the Sumerian myths and stories
and the tablets talk about what actually

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was happening much earlier around sites like
a Beckley Teppe and Carahan Teppe. I

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want you to talk a little bit
about, and you refer to this at

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the very beginning, that these beings
are possibly Nephelin or they are the survivors

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of perhaps Atlantis or a very sophisticated
society. Because these temples, these underground

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temples, are not simple at all. Talk a little bit about the actual

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I mean, because there's no today, I don't think, and I read

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Schmidt's white paper. They never found
any bodies. There's no skeletory means in

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either of these sites. Are there
very few There's not many hosts skeletons for

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instance, But I think they found
fragments, skulls and things like this.

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There's there's even evidence of like a
kind of skull cult at sites like Beckley

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Teppy. Also at Chiano, which
is more famous, it's got like the

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skull house there. We visit there
recently. It's hard place to get to

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much further north. But yeah,
they found they have found some human remains.

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We actually saw some human remains in
a brand new excavation one of the

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Testabola sites called say Birch. Whether
they're going to announce that, we don't

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know, but we just happened to
turn up there and see them ourselves.

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We're like, whoa, you know, this is like still just there,

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you know, in the excavation pit. So yeah, so there is you

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know, there were you know,
there is evidence that they were in some

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sites that they were burying people under
their under their houses as well. We

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get that later at Chattelhoyat. But
as for you know, who these people

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were. This is what I mean. You start looking at the Sumerian stories.

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There's something me and JJ have been
doing a lot recently in this article

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a second article for Graham Hancock's website, and it just all starts, it

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all fits in. It's really weird. Suddenly these sites are kind of,

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you know, making the links with
these old myths and legends which actually were

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probably now stories and histories. And
so we get that very strongly. And

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so the Sumerian stories seem to match
what's coming out of the ground in some

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extent. They talk about the same
rivers, even though whole Mesopotamia is much

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further south. These are the same
rivers in the north. And then you

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have the Watchers of the Book of
Enoch, and these are fascinating piece of

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work. And if people don't know, it was discovered in the seventeen or

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early eighteen hundreds, and they found
lots of versions of it. Now versions

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of it are found in the Dead
Sea Scrolls area and come round in the

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Palestine Israel area, and these are
really interesting. It's very similar to the

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Sumerian they're talking about a similar thing. They're talking about these great beings who

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arrived appearingly out of nowhere on this
sacred mountain with all these arts of civilization

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and culture fully intact and building these
sites, and like with all these and

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each of these angels and watchers had
these particular skill sets. A lot of

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these skill sets they talk about.
They talk about building, they talk about

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surveying, they talk about astronomy,
astrology, even you know, health and

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nutrition and herbs and plant growth and
things like this, and so all these

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things are evident. Now it appears
at sites like a Beckley Teppe and Carahan

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Tepe and so, you know,
so it starts all these myths and stories

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and starting to match. One of
the most interesting aspects, which maybe hopefully

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we'll get into, is the fact
that they talk a lot about going off

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to measure, taking urial, taking
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of the landscape and sites, and
mathematics and geometry. And now I've been

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finding lots of very intricate geometries,
numbers, systems, and advanced metrology at

402
00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:05.920
all these at the sites I've been
looking at. Really quite easily, I

403
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:08.719
couldn't quite believe what's coming out of
there. So this kind of proves that

404
00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:13.920
a lot of what we find in
Egypt and stoneheads and other places around the

405
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:17.800
world that have that encode. All
these numbers and geometry and metrology may have

406
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:23.880
originated actually at these particular sites like
a Bakeley Tepe, etc. And this

407
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:28.760
is also recorded in the Book of
Enoch, And so yes, there's little

408
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:31.280
things like this are kind of it
could be a massive coincidence, But I

409
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:35.880
just don't think so. I think
there's something kind of what's coming out of

410
00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:39.199
the ground is going to change the
way we view history. Yeah, I

411
00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:45.920
see them as learning centers, and
I think that was what Graham wrote about

412
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:52.719
in his work. What is it
about their building under the surface. What

413
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:59.440
does Schmidt conclude because these things are
pretty much one hundred percent under the ground?

414
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:06.039
Is that for protection? Is it
because they wanted to be able to

415
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:10.880
connect with the earth more fully?
I mean why dig well? I mean,

416
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:15.119
as an example, Qubecley Teppe looks
to be ten feet under the ground

417
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:19.079
when you look at the floor and
measure it to the surface, right,

418
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:22.199
some of some of it is,
yeah, for sure, I mean,

419
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:24.719
but you've got to remember as well, a lot of it was covered over

420
00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:29.400
at the end of its use.
But there's also talk that they were covering

421
00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:37.960
over certain enclosures during the process of
living there and like working there and having

422
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:40.039
ceremonies there and so forth, and
so yeah, but I think a Carahan

423
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:43.880
tapeou get that even more. To
be honest with you, you actually get

424
00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:47.960
carving into the bedrock, you know, the limestone bedrock in the area of

425
00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:52.760
the Tech Tech Mountains where it's located. And they're like you have like the

426
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:55.639
pillar shrine or Structure AB a Carahan
tape, for instance, you have Structure

427
00:35:55.639 --> 00:36:00.719
AA or the pit srine. You
have half of the main enclosure, the

428
00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:04.480
tea pillars and the kind of benches
are carved out of bedrock, and then

429
00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:07.800
the rest is free standing pillars around
the rest of the kind of circular area.

430
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:13.519
And so yeah, they were definitely
getting into the ground. And you

431
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:16.280
can see the way even at Gebecley
Tepe, they're carving out of the bedrock.

432
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:21.559
They're carving like flat surfaces. Even
the pillar bases, the big square

433
00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:24.719
pillar bases where they placed the big
central tea pillars in these little sockets,

434
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:30.000
some of those are carved out of
bedrock. And so they weren't just building

435
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:32.519
on top of the rock, on
top of the ground. They were going

436
00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:40.239
into it. And kind of creating
spaces like slightly subterranean. Talk about it's

437
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:49.719
the belief that Gobecley Teppy and Carahan
Teppian perhaps other locations that haven't been discovered

438
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:57.400
yet were observatories or had a cosmological
flavor to them. Yeah, for sure.

439
00:36:57.400 --> 00:37:00.239
Well, there's been quite a lot
of research special obviously at Uebecay Teppe

440
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:06.760
it has been the only one really
uncovered until recently. As Andrews Collins obviously

441
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:10.599
has done a lot of work on
the northern orientation of these sites. Going

442
00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:15.159
through the portholestone, you get in
the northern wall sort of in between the

443
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:19.559
tea pillars and so forth. At
Quebeculey Tepe, mainly linking with Signus and

444
00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:24.119
other things, and other people suggest
actually they face south and actually they look

445
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:29.480
into the southern sky. If was
it Gigglow Magley, He's done a peeded

446
00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:32.599
of paper looking at the movement of
Sirius just starting to emerge on the horizon.

447
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:39.000
Other people have mentioned Orion and the
Piladas and Taurus and other such constellations.

448
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:43.639
It's kind of this all makes sense
to me. But when we went

449
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:46.800
to Carahan Tepe and it just happened
to be there on the winter solstice.

450
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:52.440
In twenty twenty one, we had
one hundred percent confirmation that Carahan Tepe was

451
00:37:52.480 --> 00:38:00.199
aligned precisely to the winter solstice sunrise. We witnessed this remarkable phenomen of the

452
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:04.360
light as ten minutes off in some
way, as the light we shine through

453
00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:07.840
this poolhole stone, this is old
stone across the main enclosure into the pillar

454
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:12.119
strine, and it would illuminate the
stone head that sticks out of the wall

455
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:15.920
for like forty five minutes and it
kind of moved round. The light moved

456
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:19.679
around the head, so that you
know, that is a direct observation.

457
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:23.440
So that was it wasn't We weren't
speculating, we weren't trying to prove a

458
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:28.559
point. We just happened to be
there. It was a brilliant, brilliant

459
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:30.000
moment to witness, and we be
We went back there last year, we're

460
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:34.000
going back this year just to make
sure that we could be able a feeling

461
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:36.639
they're going to kind of close that
offend a roof over it and things like

462
00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:38.480
this, which would be unfortunate.
So yes, so that proves to me

463
00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:43.199
that they were doing this, you
know, because we and we even traced

464
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:46.079
it back you know, we measured
it exactly how it would illuminate the head,

465
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:50.280
you know, when the site was
built around nine thousand or so.

466
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:54.639
BC. We have a paper up
on Academia dot edu. Now we have

467
00:38:55.519 --> 00:39:01.920
an updated article coming up on Graham
Hank dot com as well, and we've

468
00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:05.400
got a bunch of videos about it. But we're going to go back again

469
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:08.719
this year and take more readings and
get more data to kind of prove that

470
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:13.599
this is the case. But you
know, even before that, even Carahan

471
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:17.119
tepe I mean Andrew Collins were speculating
that there were some other alignments there,

472
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:22.480
like a summer solstice sunset alignment in
the pit shrine or structure AA, and

473
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:25.400
that some of the orientations appear to
go to the north again like they do

474
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:30.840
at quebeculey Teppe. And this is
before we even had this kind of winter

475
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:37.360
solstice discovery. But since then,
this brand new enclosure has now been excavated.

476
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:39.320
It was partly excavated on top of
the hill, but they found this

477
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:45.000
giant two and a half or two
point three meter tour seven foot six statue

478
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:49.280
of this human holding this phallus,
but he's like a giant basically in there

479
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:52.320
there's a whole stone and it faces
to the north again, so it's another

480
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:55.639
sickness a lot and he's done all
the tests on this, and it's going

481
00:39:55.719 --> 00:40:00.000
to be talking about this at the
Origins conference specifically, because this allignes.

482
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:02.599
We took all the reader we just
happened to be there when they'd uncovered it

483
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:07.280
in September. We took all the
readings, all the alignments, and even

484
00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:12.400
found a statue of a vulture,
which is a representation of sickness in ancient

485
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:15.960
times. So he's very pleased it
kind of what's being discovered that backs up

486
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:19.800
his research. But the winter solstice
thing, to us, it kind of

487
00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:22.880
nails it, you know what I
mean. It nails it down as a

488
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:25.519
fact that they were doing this because
you know, we've done all the tests

489
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:31.400
on the stilarium and different programs,
and it only works that particular illumination of

490
00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:36.719
the stonehead through the porthole stone on
the winter solstice around the December the twenty

491
00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:38.760
first for a few days, you
know, because the sun comes to a

492
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:44.119
standstill. That sort of stuff solstice
means, and it's very similar to what

493
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:46.199
you find at New Grange, which
is like three thy two hundred BC,

494
00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:51.960
very similar to what you find in
some of the chambers in Karnak in Brittany,

495
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:58.480
very similar. There's even winter solstice
alignments, say summer solstice alignment a

496
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:02.599
cycled athlete Yam where they found this
is another pre party in Neolithic site of

497
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:07.159
the Coach's actually underwater off the coast
of Israel. They found a similar summer

498
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:12.000
solstice sunset alignment, which is the
exact opposite direction of the winter solstice sunrise

499
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:15.440
at Jericho as well in Israel Palestine
area. This is that's the work of

500
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:21.079
Rambakai that goes back to eight thy
three hundred BC. But the Carahan Tepe

501
00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:24.000
winter solstice does appear to be the
oldest one, you know, linked with

502
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:29.400
a megalithic site anywhere on the planet. Why would they care about this the

503
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:34.519
winter solstice? Why would that be
just kind of setting the clock to know

504
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:40.639
what's coming in the next year for
agricultural purposes or for like the Maya,

505
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:50.079
perhaps birthing your children, so forth
and so on. Yeah, I think

506
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:52.719
you pretty much nailed at the I
think that's part. It was part of

507
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:55.559
the ceremonial cycle. It's something that
JJ who discovered this whole thing with me.

508
00:41:55.639 --> 00:42:00.320
Actually she's her and I have been
discussing this, we're writing about this

509
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:02.320
at the moment where we think if
you look at you know, you look

510
00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:07.800
at it like a kind of symbolic
kind of event. It's like the male

511
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:14.320
shard of light penetrating the female holed
stone into the womb like chamber where there's

512
00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:19.480
all these sort of phallic shaped kind
of fertility. Yeah, it's it's all

513
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:23.400
really about fertility. And this is
this matches other cultures. This matches the

514
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:29.920
principles of other cultures that there's other
European cultures. It's even linked with New

515
00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:34.159
grains. There's fertility ambulance like phallic
ambulance were found in new grains for instance.

516
00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:36.880
And so we think this part and
that was but that was just one

517
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:40.440
part of a great annual kind of
celebration that was taking place there. Because

518
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:46.079
if you look at the spring equinox
as well, what we've found is that

519
00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:50.760
there seems to be a channel carved
out towards the east where the head is

520
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:55.480
kind of looking towards virtually, and
that maybe may indicate the equinox sunrise.

521
00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:59.719
And what we found is not only
if that it's all filled with rubble at

522
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:01.880
the moment this channel, so we're
not sure, but that may have had

523
00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:06.280
half a porthole store on top,
so that could have been illuminated on the

524
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:10.679
equinox. And that's nine months before
the winter solstice. So we are suggesting

525
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:15.719
and putting this hypothesis forward that that
was the kind of the kind of fun

526
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:20.960
time, that was the sexual rights, that was the sort of fertility dances

527
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:23.039
and celebrations and sexual rights and all
this kind of stuff. And then nine

528
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:27.960
months later the birthing would take place, you know, within the pillar shrine,

529
00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:32.199
perhaps on the winter solstice around that
kind of time of year. And

530
00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:36.159
then it would also be a case
of regeneration as well, which is something

531
00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:39.840
that JJ's been looking into a lot, where then the sun would start coming

532
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:44.480
back a few days later around the
twenty fifth of twenty sixth. So yeah,

533
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:46.599
there's all these possibilities with it,
but we don't really know. We

534
00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:52.760
just kind of looking at other cultures
and relating it to this one and how

535
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:55.239
all the symbols and how the astronomy, how the sun moves and things like

536
00:43:55.280 --> 00:44:00.840
this. But must also remember that
it's two things. Actually. One of

537
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:06.119
them is that at the time of
the summer solstice, the opposite side of

538
00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:09.679
the year. The moon would move
in the same position as the town sun

539
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:14.199
does on the winter solstice. So
at nighttime around the summer solstice, the

540
00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:19.079
moonlight could illuminate the stone head through
the porthole stones. It moves along the

541
00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:22.199
same path as the winter solstice.
That is pretty frete. That's pretty trippy.

542
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:25.400
Yeah, And then we've got stuff. We've been looking at stuff on

543
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:30.360
venus as well, because like at
New Grains, where Venus rises along the

544
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:32.840
same path as the sun or the
winter solstice, it also does at Carahan

545
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:38.119
Tepe and that can be so bright
that it could illuminate the stone head and

546
00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:42.639
venus, as does this whole cycle
of eight years. It creates this five

547
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:45.920
pointed stuff and a great forty year
cycle and so forth. But we also

548
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:51.800
have a similar thing that era of
it. It's the Venus rising at the

549
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:54.519
same path of the sun on the
equinox. So we've got this venus thing

550
00:44:54.559 --> 00:45:01.280
going on as well. It's amazing
for our listeners. Istanbul is the capital

551
00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:07.719
of Turkey. How far away is
Gobeckley Teppy and Carahan Teppee from the capitol.

552
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:13.599
It's an extremely long way. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I don't

553
00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:16.400
know how many miles put what a
thousand miles? Yeah, to basically fly

554
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:23.760
from Istanbul? Where do you land
to get to go Beckley Teppe. Yeah,

555
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:27.679
these site, all these sites,
the main ones are based in near

556
00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:32.639
Shandlerfa, which is the ancient ancient
city of Odessa where Abraham the biblical tradition

557
00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:37.599
was was born and lived and so
forth. So it's got this whole kind

558
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:40.880
of biblical connotation linked with this particular
area as well. But you can,

559
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:44.480
you know, you can what we
do on some of our tours, we

560
00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:46.480
actually be cut through the whole of
Turkey, stopping at loads of call sites

561
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:51.599
on the way and then end up
there. But sometimes we fly down there,

562
00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:54.800
then head then head further east because
more and more sites are being uncovered.

563
00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:58.519
But yes, quite a long way
from Istanbul, but you can get

564
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:02.039
direct flights there from Istanbul. Okay. Good. The book we're talking about

565
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:07.360
today has just come out is called
Go Beckley Teppy Carahan Teppy, the World's

566
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:13.519
First Make a List. It's a
real fun book because Hugh has found somebody

567
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:19.039
or his publisher has found a really
really good artist who can illustrate not only

568
00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:24.079
the smaller artifacts, but these amazing
statuary that are fascinating. I want to

569
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:30.920
talk about Noah's arc in Stone,
about the details that show up on that

570
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:37.960
stone, and those are the animals
and the bird like creatures that are carved.

571
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:43.800
But there's also some symbols in there
too, isn't there. Yeah,

572
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:47.559
you have all sorts going on,
be honest with you. Animals is a

573
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:51.360
big thing, but we have some
really interesting symbols which we can talk about

574
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:53.159
in a minute. But yeah,
you get I mean, Beckley Teppi,

575
00:46:53.599 --> 00:47:00.559
you have what ten to twelve fourteen
different animals depicted. Yea prominent The most

576
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:04.400
sort of prominent one is probably the
serpent. All these sites, you get

577
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:07.559
a lot of serpents. To Cara
hand Tabbe, you get the fox or

578
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:10.840
something kind of canid creature a Cara
hand Tape especially, you get the leopard.

579
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:14.960
I think that was a big thing
at Cara hand Tabe. We're going

580
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:19.239
to be writing more about that because
we found stuff in the kind of night

581
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:22.480
sky that might link with that,
even links back to the time of the

582
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:24.440
links with the Sphinx as well,
which we're going to be getting into.

583
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:28.519
But I mean, some people have
suggested, as you said, and we

584
00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:31.840
actually put that as a subtitle of
Ancient Animals chapter in the book. Is

585
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:37.360
that is like a Noah's ark and
Steine because there's so many animal depictions.

586
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:39.719
Let me just give you a bit
of information. I mean, basically,

587
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:47.400
we have in Enclosure A, we
have made This is odd because in certain

588
00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:53.920
enclosures you have specific animals dominate the
carvings in that enclosure. So you know,

589
00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:58.199
was that then, is this like
a sort of cult. It's like

590
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:00.840
a sort of animal cult of that
particular and wok a total. So Enclosure

591
00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:07.159
A is mainly the snake. Enclosure
B is mainly foxes or canids. C.

592
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:12.320
We have bores, and D it's
mainly birds, although a huge bore

593
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:15.280
statue has just been found in Enclosure
D. Finally enough, it's one of

594
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:22.039
the new discoveries. It's just emerged. But what I'm finding really intriguing is

595
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:28.199
the fact that the leopard is so
strongly documented at carahan Tepe, and even

596
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:30.960
there's talk of a new statue that's
been found that we can't find. We

597
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:34.199
haven't seen images of it yet,
but we heard that there was a third

598
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:38.400
statue found at carahan Tepe as long
as along with the human and the vulture,

599
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:42.079
because you know, even if you
go way back and watch what the

600
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:44.559
movement of the stars. Again,
we'll just talk a little bit about the

601
00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:49.639
astronomy, just because this is really
intriguing. We know that Graham Hancock and

602
00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:54.559
Robert Ruval spoke about the Sphinx on
the equinox in ten five hundred BC or

603
00:48:54.559 --> 00:49:00.519
thereabouts. The Sphinx is watching the
sun rise on the equinox, but before

604
00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:06.039
the sun rise, Leo the constellation
rises in the east, and it's that's

605
00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:08.519
why they partly believe why they thought
that was part of the kind of construction,

606
00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:14.840
the orientation to the east of the
Sphinx. Now, but at Carahan

607
00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:17.960
Tepe, which is just one thousand
years later, we have the sunrise are

608
00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:22.760
carrying, and again we have Leo
coming up as well before the sun or

609
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:27.559
around the same time as the sun
and so and then you see these leopard

610
00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:30.440
carvings there. So we're we're thinking, hang on a sect, did they

611
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:37.159
see Leo as a leopard rather than
a lion? Is the Sphynx a leopard

612
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:39.880
as well? Is it a leopard? Because you find all these all these

613
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:44.159
I mean, you even get a
Carahan Tappet. You even get some of

614
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:47.199
the upright statues, the ones carved
out of bedrock have what looked like leopard

615
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:52.079
pelts around the around the waist,
so they would be giant people if they

616
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:55.480
got leopard pelts, and and so
you've got things like this as well,

617
00:49:55.519 --> 00:49:59.800
and like you have these statues at
Carahan Teppa, these leopards on the back

618
00:49:59.840 --> 00:50:04.440
of humans as they're dominating them,
or of something similar. So yeah,

619
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:07.119
there's a lot to think about when
you start looking at the symbolism and relating

620
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:13.840
it to the sky at the time
these sites were built. We're going to

621
00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:20.199
take a short commercial break to allow
our sponsors to identify themselves, and we

622
00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:27.280
will return shortly with my guest today, Hugh Newman discussing his trips to Turkey

623
00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:32.840
and Go Beckley Teppy and the news
say Carahan Teppe, you're right back.

624
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:12.519
My guest today is Hugh Newman,
a field researcher and an author. His

625
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:19.119
new book is Go Beckley Tepee Carahan
Teppe, The World's First Megalists, and

626
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:23.960
this is chronicling his trips to Turkey
to see these sites, the in depth

627
00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:29.800
nature of them, the great age
of both of these sites, and what

628
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:37.000
is the latest news and discovery.
Yeah, you actually posted some fascinating photographs,

629
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:43.360
excuse me, videos of your visit
to Carahan Teppe. One of these

630
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:46.760
temples is part is under a house
that you actually go into. You got

631
00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:52.239
were able to get permission to see
talk a little bit about the size of

632
00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:58.400
that temple, and it looks like
the builders of the home were not aware

633
00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:05.119
that they were built on top of
this temple and as they were excavating,

634
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:08.320
they're like going, oh, we
got a problem here is talk a little

635
00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:13.800
bit about that discovery because that's a
fascinating video. Yeah, that that's that's

636
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:17.000
a site near near the area.
That's a cycleed say Birch. Yeah,

637
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:21.199
that's it's one of the test teblo. It's not Caran Tape. It's near

638
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:23.880
there though. It's all part of
the same kind of similar age to Carahan

639
00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:27.159
Tappey. Actually, but this this
is odd. This is like a village

640
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:30.519
called say Birch and they found this
has came out a year or two ago.

641
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:32.559
We've been we've been visiting there for
quite a while because we've got to

642
00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:36.280
know the family. They let us
in, give us the you know,

643
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:39.000
open the door open, and they
kind of gated it off to stop looters

644
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:42.960
and damage and things like this.
But they found a huge panel carved out

645
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:45.639
a bedrock. So this is basically
it's like half of an enclosure has been

646
00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:50.440
is literally underneath this house, and
they managed to get access to it.

647
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:52.920
They kind of you know, you
can actually get in there and have a

648
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:54.320
look at it. The other half
is still under the house. They're going

649
00:52:54.360 --> 00:52:59.400
to apparently get to demolish the whole
village. This is This is south west

650
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:05.840
of Shannelerfer, that kind of area. This panel is amazing. It's got

651
00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:09.639
like these two leopards again almost going
towards this man who's carved down in three

652
00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:13.599
D. It's only like three feet
tall or so, and he's holding his

653
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:15.400
fallus. He's got a V neck, a V neck symbol. We finding

654
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:20.159
lots of the statues in the area, which we think is significant, and

655
00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:22.159
then another jumping man's on the panel. But this is all carved out a

656
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:25.599
bedrock and there would have been t
pillars there and other such things. And

657
00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:30.239
we even got access because we got
chatting with the family and it said I'll

658
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:35.159
come with me, so we followed
him. We went underground at say Berts

659
00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:37.880
and no one else I know has
done this. I don't even know if

660
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:39.960
you even the archaeologists know about it. If they listen to this, they

661
00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:45.079
will And you can actually go down
into this underground room carved out of bedrock

662
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:49.519
under the ground, and it's huge. It's like something like it's like Darren.

663
00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:52.199
It's like a small section of Darren
Coou at say Birch. So that

664
00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:55.480
really blew our minds. And they're
carving out of the bedrock there like they

665
00:53:55.519 --> 00:54:00.039
are a carahan tepe. There's all
these symbols, carved heads and other such

666
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:05.679
things. Now there's this whole field
next to the house which they've started excavating

667
00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:08.719
and they're realizing and quite a lot
has been done already. And this is

668
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:15.760
run by these Turkish archaeologists and they've
uncovered potentially four or five enclosures there and

669
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:19.039
that's only a small section of what
is going to be found. We found

670
00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:23.199
this huge U shaped drome ors stone
type thing that could be a huge porthole

671
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:27.360
stone, which we I could send
you. I can send you some pictures

672
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:30.119
off which we has only just been
excavated. We just happened to be there

673
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:34.440
at the right time. That's where
we saw the skeletal remains, there's other

674
00:54:34.519 --> 00:54:37.800
things that being found there, and
so it makes you realize there's something significant

675
00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:42.360
going on in this part of the
world. And also the name say Birch

676
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:45.920
is really interesting. It sounds like
it's the standard Turkish name. Whatever.

677
00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:50.559
The sea has got a little thing
off the bottom of it sa y b

678
00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:55.639
u r c. But say means
counting or you know, numbers and things

679
00:54:55.719 --> 00:55:00.079
like this. But Birch pure see
the little thing on the end means sign

680
00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:05.920
of the zodiac or horoscope, which
I thought was really interesting. But birch

681
00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:12.079
in a Kurdish means tower or watch
tower. So and there used to be

682
00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:15.880
a tower built in the village which
got demolished back in the early nineteen hundreds.

683
00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:21.239
So there's something going on. So
that even the names like the counting

684
00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:23.599
and sign of the zodiac, they
seem to be saying. Look, even

685
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:28.719
the name may be ancient. And
this is what it's remembering at this site

686
00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:35.639
that there was astronomical and astrological kind
of observation area. So this underground room

687
00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:38.800
that you found, was that a
gathering space or was it? I mean,

688
00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:44.599
because it has this panel, you're
talking about ceremonial or is it just

689
00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:49.239
another mystery that we just don't have
a clue about. We don't have a

690
00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:52.119
clue, Cliff, to be honest
with you, I mean, to me,

691
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:57.320
it doesn't feel like what the people, a lot of the archaeologist are

692
00:55:57.320 --> 00:56:00.840
saying. They're all saying these are
community spaces. These are just where people

693
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:04.639
would meet. They're not temples.
There's no ceremonies and things like this.

694
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:07.719
But I just don't feel that.
I feel like something profound going on here.

695
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:12.519
And you know where they're building these
particular sites, especially you know,

696
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:16.039
say birds, you know, you
feel something beautiful and wonderful there. It's

697
00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:21.199
not just a basic thing you go
and hang out in like a community space.

698
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:23.320
There's something profound. So I think
there were ceremonies. I think it

699
00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:25.920
was just part of their way of
life back then. They had this much

700
00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:31.119
more kind of ritualistic, shamanic way
of life. Wow. Hey, one

701
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:36.679
thing that I was very excited to
read about is that you believe, and

702
00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:38.039
you have this in your new book
for those of you listening, you can

703
00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:45.280
get this in this information. You
believe that these saites had archaeo acoustic properties.

704
00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:51.679
That's the first time I've heard about
that. And we know that there's

705
00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:58.719
acoustic properties in outdoors sites like Stonehenge. I was just in November of last

706
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:06.239
year. I was in Averbury and
in the center of Averbury is acoustic properties.

707
00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:10.119
They've tested it, they've shown it
as probable. What do we know

708
00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:19.480
about acoustics at go Beckley Teppe or
Carahan Teppee. Fundamentally, this is something

709
00:57:19.519 --> 00:57:22.800
that Andrew put out in a couple
of his books about about Kebecley Teppy that

710
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:30.280
they're fundamentally they're elliptical in shape the
main enclosures and they're very enclosed areas with

711
00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:32.239
the two big T pillars in the
middle. Now ellipse is the ones that

712
00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:37.480
were found there, and this is
a general geometry. I've done much more

713
00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:43.320
detailed analysis of the geometry, which
is much more intricate and different Alexander tom

714
00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:47.039
type geometries. But the ellipses are
really interesting because they're like a four to

715
00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:53.000
three ratio. And this you get
this insights in Syria as well. And

716
00:57:53.679 --> 00:57:59.840
this is the same kind of ratio
you get when you're building acoustic uh you

717
00:57:59.880 --> 00:58:01.440
know, venues and things like this. You also get this in West Kenet

718
00:58:01.480 --> 00:58:07.159
Long Barrow. You get a similar
thing in around Gezer as well, you

719
00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:10.639
know some of the interior chambers of
Gezer. And there was a gentleman,

720
00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:17.280
a scientist called Paolo Derbertolis at the
University of Trieste who did some work there

721
00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:23.800
and he found some amazing data when
he did some acoustical test there. He

722
00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:30.960
found that pillar eighteen and one of
the main standing pillars and enclosure d resonated

723
00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:37.119
around sixty eight to sixty nine hertz, with harmonics of ninety one hurts and

724
00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:39.880
one hundred and thirty eight hertz.
And he felt that his placement in the

725
00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:45.000
shallow pit meant it would hum in
the wind and things like this, and

726
00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:47.159
it could be moved slightly for different
purposes, so it was almost like a

727
00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:51.280
tune in for And when he tapped
on it as well, he found that

728
00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:53.599
he felt like part of it was
hollow, like it had been partly carved

729
00:58:53.599 --> 00:59:00.039
out to tune it correctly, which
I thought was really really interesting. And

730
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:05.159
also we find the general elliptical shape
at Carahan Tepe and other sites, you

731
00:59:05.159 --> 00:59:07.719
know, all over the whole region. Although I do find I have found

732
00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:10.400
that there's much more. You know, even if you've got a general not

733
00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:15.639
a perfect ellipse, you can still
get acoustical properties. But when this guy

734
00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:20.840
Derbert Tollis was power de was actually
like doing his tests. He also did

735
00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:23.440
some magnetic testing there. And you're
going to like this because this is like

736
00:59:23.679 --> 00:59:30.039
the John Burke kind of thing and
going, you know, it's it's incredible.

737
00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:35.280
Man. The center of enclosure D
between the two main pillars and Enclosure

738
00:59:35.320 --> 00:59:38.960
D is the main part of quebecley
Tepe. It's the most important part and

739
00:59:38.960 --> 00:59:46.639
they've actually mostly intact. So they
found a spiraling magnetic anomaly in the center

740
00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:52.639
of the enclosure and this this blew
my mind. It was on this obscure

741
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:55.000
paper for like two thousand and five
or something. I was like, what

742
00:59:55.039 --> 00:59:59.760
the hell, and it made me
just clicked with me. That's why they

743
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:06.119
position these sites where they're positioned.
It was partly because of the natural magnetic

744
01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:14.159
telluric energies was placed over perhaps a
laylane. Yeah, well, well it's

745
01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:20.440
like a natural magnetic anomaly, and
so that means that probably before it was

746
01:00:20.440 --> 01:00:24.320
built, it was people went there
and felt their consciousness changing, things would

747
01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:29.119
grow better there and they realized and
then you makes you realize as well,

748
01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:32.760
why people would go there for hundreds
if not thousands of years to like go

749
01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:37.360
and wish for fertility because the magnetic
energies were kind of, you know,

750
01:00:37.480 --> 01:00:42.719
given them a healthy, healthy kind
of situation that they're walking into. And

751
01:00:42.760 --> 01:00:45.280
so there's something profound about that and
it makes me and I've take I've taken

752
01:00:45.559 --> 01:00:50.960
a little trifilled magnetometer. I've tried
to get inside some of the places in

753
01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:54.360
the area, but they just won't
let me basically, So I'm going to

754
01:00:54.480 --> 01:01:00.280
try and leave that with my friend
who works at Carahan Tepe and see if

755
01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:02.760
he can actually get it in the
enclosure and get some readings for me,

756
01:01:04.119 --> 01:01:07.679
because we're not the public aren't allowed
it, and definitely they definitely don't like

757
01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:09.920
me and Andrew too much, so
we can't really go inside anything. But

758
01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:14.840
the fact that he found that and
it was recorded, it was documented.

759
01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:19.079
This was this was John Burke level
equipment we're talking about it. This was

760
01:01:19.280 --> 01:01:22.760
just this. Yeah, it wasn't
just a little magnantomoty you got on your

761
01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:24.719
phone or you hold in your hand
or anything. This is like major So

762
01:01:25.159 --> 01:01:29.880
this is this is solid information.
So then you have to wonder hang on

763
01:01:29.920 --> 01:01:32.119
a sex So they this is where
they were very near to this area.

764
01:01:32.119 --> 01:01:37.880
This is where they developed agriculture,
where they started growing food. So did

765
01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:42.079
did John Burke? You know,
have this is intuition. It may not

766
01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:44.800
have just gone back to the Megalithic
era. It could have gone back to

767
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:49.480
this era. They could have developed
what John Burke was saying all this time

768
01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:55.320
back at Quebecley Teppe and this general
kind of pre pottery Neolithic culture. I

769
01:01:55.360 --> 01:02:00.639
mean, Graham talks about this,
Go Beckley, Tippy has a reboot say,

770
01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:08.280
in other words, culture is restarting
after a catastrophe where the planet loses

771
01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:15.559
eighty percent of its fauna, megafauna
and human population. What do you say

772
01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:19.440
to that, I mean, it
feels like it to me. It feels

773
01:02:19.440 --> 01:02:21.679
like it to me. But what
you're there a hell of a lot more

774
01:02:21.719 --> 01:02:24.400
than anybody I know. Well,
what do you say about that idea?

775
01:02:25.119 --> 01:02:30.159
Yeah? The timing of it is
fascinating because as I mentioned this in my

776
01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:34.199
book, and I know Graham's talked
about it. My Sweatman, it talks

777
01:02:34.239 --> 01:02:37.360
about this a lot. The end
of the Younger Dryest was literally like nine

778
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:40.840
eight hundred BC. Then the weather
started warming up just after that. Now,

779
01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:45.119
the earliest official dates for the building
of Ebecley Teppe is nine thousand and

780
01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:50.840
six hundred BC, even though it
could be a fraction earlier because they're plus

781
01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:53.360
to minus a couple of one hundred
years. So they literally were building this

782
01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:58.360
as soon as the weather improved,
soon as the kind of chaos stopped,

783
01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:04.039
and they had to get started again
because the megafauna, the different animals,

784
01:03:04.039 --> 01:03:07.119
probably lost of humans have died out, and the kind of you know,

785
01:03:07.159 --> 01:03:10.400
there's probably lots of there's problems of
growing food and things like this. So

786
01:03:10.440 --> 01:03:14.880
they had to rethink everything, and
I think this this is certainly the case.

787
01:03:14.920 --> 01:03:17.920
It's like it's like a reboot center. It's like where people realized we

788
01:03:19.000 --> 01:03:22.280
have to create a space where we
have to now work together. We can't

789
01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:24.800
just go around in tribes and you
know, gangs, you know, wandering

790
01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:28.800
hunter gathering, and that we have
to kind of do something profound here.

791
01:03:29.320 --> 01:03:31.280
And they did do it. I
mean, they did something awesome. I

792
01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:36.880
mean, and the influence of that
is not just at Quebecley Teppe. I

793
01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:40.559
mean, this was a massive site
Quebecley. They we're talking acres and acres

794
01:03:40.639 --> 01:03:44.960
hectors. I mean, you know, only a few of these enclosures are

795
01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:49.639
being discovered. There's there's potentially twenty
or twenty two of them at one site.

796
01:03:49.880 --> 01:03:52.920
So there's twenty plus stonehenges on one
site, and there's like at least

797
01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:57.119
twelve of these sites that all some
of them are bigger than Gebecley Teppe,

798
01:03:57.440 --> 01:04:00.559
you know, like ian La Joyac, even Karrahan Teppe is bigger than go

799
01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:04.320
Beckley Tepping, and now they're realizing
it stretches over two hundred kilometers over a

800
01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:10.639
vast area. Aside, the influence
was so profound for these innovatives who came

801
01:04:10.679 --> 01:04:14.199
in at the end of the Younger
Dryas. It really does raise a lot

802
01:04:14.199 --> 01:04:17.639
of questions about where did these ideas
come from? How did they suddenly just

803
01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:23.320
emerge with this different level. I
mean, you can trace it back that

804
01:04:23.400 --> 01:04:25.760
there were certain things you can trace
back. You can go back even to

805
01:04:25.800 --> 01:04:30.320
the Paleolithic and you can see three
D relief carvings in caves on stones of

806
01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:34.079
the there's a lion man statue that
was found. You can go back to

807
01:04:34.159 --> 01:04:39.119
cortic Tepe, which is at least
a thousand years before Goubeckley Tepping that near

808
01:04:39.159 --> 01:04:43.599
the Tigris River, and they would
make any stones with three D relief carvings

809
01:04:43.599 --> 01:04:46.880
on them. They were developing ideas
there. So there's lots of places where

810
01:04:46.920 --> 01:04:53.840
they were developing ideas, but just
in pockets in different areas over huge eras

811
01:04:53.840 --> 01:04:57.159
of time as well. But really
there had to be somewhere where they all

812
01:04:57.159 --> 01:05:00.679
came together and put all these ideas
into the pop and this is where it

813
01:05:00.760 --> 01:05:03.760
really kicked off, and that was
certainly Quebecley Tepping. Why are they waiting

814
01:05:04.239 --> 01:05:12.320
to uh excavate the other enclosures that
are around these big openings that they've opened

815
01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:16.840
up. It seems like it would
be a real benefit for further discovery if

816
01:05:16.880 --> 01:05:19.880
they were to excavate them. Is
it just the I mean, I see

817
01:05:19.880 --> 01:05:24.119
this problem in Egypt all the time. We go there every year, and

818
01:05:24.239 --> 01:05:28.119
they don't use ground penetrating radar.
They're you know, they want to make

819
01:05:28.159 --> 01:05:33.920
sure it's us that makes these discoveries
and no foreigners, and the Egyptians will

820
01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:40.239
become xenophobic it's us or nobody,
you know. It's just yes, it's

821
01:05:40.239 --> 01:05:43.559
similar, I guess. I mean
because because a long time the German Archaeological

822
01:05:43.559 --> 01:05:48.440
Institute we're managing Quebecley Tepping, a
lot got on cover and you imagine how

823
01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:54.559
much rubble and stone and earth they
had just to move and oh why god.

824
01:05:54.760 --> 01:05:58.199
Yeah, they did a lot of
talent tonnage, I'll tell you that.

825
01:05:58.280 --> 01:06:00.480
But yeah, it makes it does
make you wander. But they have,

826
01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:02.159
you know, they have been doing
it slowly. They have to do

827
01:06:02.199 --> 01:06:08.000
it so meticulously because things should collapse. A lot of Carahan Tape is being

828
01:06:08.039 --> 01:06:13.000
uncovered. Saber, she's being excavated. Sepia Tepe is another site near Carahntab,

829
01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:15.679
but that's being excavated. We have
Harbet zoo Van which is south of

830
01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:19.679
Karajan Taby and that's being excavated.
So stuff is happening. But because it's

831
01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:25.039
so old and so delicate and it's
all being piled over with this rubble and

832
01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:28.760
earth and stone, they have to
be so careful. It's not like you're

833
01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:30.639
just sort of digging around to move
some earth out of the way to see

834
01:06:30.639 --> 01:06:33.480
what's underneath. You've got to remove
everything, you know. So it's a

835
01:06:33.559 --> 01:06:38.000
huge amount of work. But it's
frustrating because there are other areas to the

836
01:06:38.039 --> 01:06:42.880
north west at Quebecley Tepic. They've
actually built roofs over them and some of

837
01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:45.840
them are exposed where they've started excavating, but they just won't let anyone go

838
01:06:45.880 --> 01:06:48.800
and have a look, and they
kind of keep it a secret, and

839
01:06:48.800 --> 01:06:51.480
it's so frustrating. You're kind of
looking over this fence. I think I'm

840
01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:57.920
just going to run in there.
Man. You'on't be able to come back

841
01:06:57.960 --> 01:07:00.440
if you go right in there.
A lot. No, Yeah, but

842
01:07:01.400 --> 01:07:04.400
maybe when I'm like my last you
know, when I'm super old or something,

843
01:07:05.679 --> 01:07:08.840
I'm just going to go in there
where you like it or not.

844
01:07:10.599 --> 01:07:13.119
But yeah, but yeah, hopefully
more. But the thing, the good

845
01:07:13.159 --> 01:07:16.000
thing is even though they have found
a few more things at but we were

846
01:07:16.039 --> 01:07:20.079
there in September when they were clearing
out enclosure deal. They were like the

847
01:07:20.199 --> 01:07:24.079
archaeologists and the students were there.
They were kind of cleaning up. I

848
01:07:24.119 --> 01:07:26.559
was like filming them. I wonder
what they're going to find. And they

849
01:07:26.599 --> 01:07:30.760
found this giant ball statue with this
slab with the stunning carvings one, so

850
01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:32.639
that was a big deal. Even
next to it, they actually found like

851
01:07:32.719 --> 01:07:35.760
what looks like a you get a
t pillar standing up. It's like it's

852
01:07:35.760 --> 01:07:40.440
just falling on its side and there's
a whole carve through it going towards the

853
01:07:40.480 --> 01:07:44.400
north embedded in the wall giant tea
pillar. So there's two things, maybe

854
01:07:44.480 --> 01:07:49.400
three things discovered this year at Coubecley
Teppe, which became big news late September

855
01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:54.719
twenty twenty three, which I published
an icon on some videos about it,

856
01:07:55.719 --> 01:07:59.840
and there's more coming out about it
soon. So yeah, it's frustrating.

857
01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:03.639
I wish they would move it forward
and kind of open more up to the

858
01:08:03.679 --> 01:08:06.960
public, but you know, we
have to be patient because these are so

859
01:08:08.079 --> 01:08:15.559
delicately poised sights. Yeah. I
don't want to hamper and come down too

860
01:08:15.559 --> 01:08:19.720
hard on the archaeological community, but
I think that when this date was first

861
01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:25.520
released through carbon dating of you know, twelve thousand years ago, it shocked

862
01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:31.439
the archaeological community and in many ways
they are forced to begin rewriting history,

863
01:08:31.479 --> 01:08:38.159
which hasn't really happened yet because you
know, it just takes forever for these

864
01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:45.960
discoveries to trickle into their textbooks.
Right. We don't see go Beckley Tepee

865
01:08:46.119 --> 01:08:49.840
like discoveries anywhere else in the world, do we. I mean, I

866
01:08:49.880 --> 01:08:56.920
don't know. Perhaps in South America
there could be some sites, but and

867
01:08:56.960 --> 01:09:02.880
I'm thinking of Bolivia and Tunarco,
But that's a say that hasn't really been

868
01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:10.119
excavated to the level it could be, and we know about the early predictions

869
01:09:10.119 --> 01:09:14.199
of it being like twenty eight thousand
years by. I think his name is

870
01:09:14.199 --> 01:09:20.920
Plananski. But what do you say
about these discoveries and it's in the orthodoxy's

871
01:09:20.960 --> 01:09:26.359
ability to handle them. Well,
I think we have to refer back to

872
01:09:27.840 --> 01:09:31.359
the kind of Robert Shock, John
Anthony West Graham Hancock all this when they

873
01:09:31.399 --> 01:09:35.920
were in the mid nineties, right, they put out a thing and we

874
01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:39.800
think the sphinx could be this old, you ten thousand BC, this,

875
01:09:39.840 --> 01:09:44.199
that and the other some of the
sites, the myths, the astronomy suggests

876
01:09:44.439 --> 01:09:47.319
it's something this old, and the
dating, the water damage on the sphinx

877
01:09:47.359 --> 01:09:50.039
and so forth, and it was
said, I think it was one of

878
01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:55.479
the top archaeologist. I think Mark
Lerner said, well, there's nothing else

879
01:09:55.640 --> 01:09:59.439
anywhere on the planet that proves this, so you're talking rubbish basically, Ye,

880
01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:04.880
no smoking gun. And then within
I think it was that year quebecley

881
01:10:04.960 --> 01:10:11.079
Teppe was being discovered but wasn't announced
until two thousand, but wasn't really public

882
01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:14.840
until the mid two thousands, ten
years later. So that smoking gun is

883
01:10:14.880 --> 01:10:20.000
now being discovered and it's now pushing
back the dates potentially everywhere on the planet.

884
01:10:20.239 --> 01:10:24.960
Everywhere could needs to be looked at
again because even you know, you've

885
01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:28.479
got to remember, like carbon dating, even at Quebecley Teppe is a bit

886
01:10:28.520 --> 01:10:30.840
iffy. You know, it could
be older. They've only found certain things

887
01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:34.880
in certain places to date most of
its stone obviously, But a good thing

888
01:10:34.920 --> 01:10:40.920
about it is is that it hasn't
been interfered with Quebecley Teppy and they've been

889
01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:45.039
buried, there's been nothing. Nothing's
going to interfere and you're going to get

890
01:10:45.039 --> 01:10:47.840
the wrong dates down at the lower
levels, on the bedrock levels. So

891
01:10:48.159 --> 01:10:51.119
you know, that's the dates they're
coming out with, I believe are conservative

892
01:10:51.199 --> 01:10:55.840
dates. They could be older.
They might find more as they uncover more.

893
01:10:56.319 --> 01:10:59.359
Even Klaus Schmidt before he died,
he told me and Andrew that he

894
01:10:59.399 --> 01:11:01.479
thinks they're going to find stuff at
quebecley Tepe and some of the sites in

895
01:11:01.520 --> 01:11:06.399
the area going back to fourteen thousand
years old, because we know that they

896
01:11:06.399 --> 01:11:10.920
were doing things during the younger Dreas. We know that from cortic Tepe,

897
01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:15.279
we know that from cagmac Taepe,
which is closer to Gebecley Teppy. We

898
01:11:15.359 --> 01:11:21.159
know that from Bon Chocolutala and other
such sites where there was sort of levels

899
01:11:21.159 --> 01:11:26.600
of kind of stone construction taking place
there. But if you look at it

900
01:11:26.600 --> 01:11:30.159
on a worldwide scale, I think
everything needs to be looked at again.

901
01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:33.279
It needs to be retesting done now, more excavation becuse I know Tiwanaka and

902
01:11:33.319 --> 01:11:40.640
Puma Punky have been being excavated over
the years. There's a mara archaeologists involved.

903
01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:44.359
I know that they found more levels
at Puma Punky when I was there,

904
01:11:44.439 --> 01:11:47.800
even back in twenty eighteen, was
being fad Even I found a forgotten

905
01:11:48.239 --> 01:11:53.039
the kind of statue like a human
statue buried in the gunn of grass in

906
01:11:53.079 --> 01:11:57.079
someone's garden or some farm land back
there, which really blew my mind.

907
01:11:58.640 --> 01:12:01.520
Yeah, Timanaku, I mean we
discover that me and JJ just spent a

908
01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:06.840
few days there after our tour and
just found this forgotten kind of vericonscious statue,

909
01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:10.359
which is kind of cool. I
published about it, but no one,

910
01:12:10.439 --> 01:12:14.399
no one's interested. But these statues
are weirdly similar to the ones we're

911
01:12:14.439 --> 01:12:16.720
finding it in Southeast Turkey as well, So I mean, I like the

912
01:12:16.720 --> 01:12:21.279
idea of Arthur Posnansky and he's dating
based upon archaeo astronomy, which goes back

913
01:12:21.319 --> 01:12:26.439
I think to what is it fifteen
thousand years and it was twenty I'll keep

914
01:12:26.439 --> 01:12:29.039
coming up with twenty eight thousand,
but I could it could be more of

915
01:12:29.079 --> 01:12:31.760
the teens fifteen eighth it was eighteen
thousand, Yeah, something like that,

916
01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:35.960
something along those lines. So that's
interesting, it's good. What's too much?

917
01:12:36.079 --> 01:12:40.159
It's too much, it's too much
for the archaeological community, they flip

918
01:12:40.159 --> 01:12:44.560
out. I mean, even if
we conservative we say they're the same era

919
01:12:44.960 --> 01:12:48.359
as beckleype are still going to be
too much. That's the problem. So

920
01:12:48.520 --> 01:12:51.439
you can you can't really, it's
really difficult to ascertain. But even at

921
01:12:51.520 --> 01:12:55.840
a stonehenge for instance, you know, just my local area, this whole

922
01:12:55.880 --> 01:13:00.600
area here, and they found these
giant wooden post holes right next to stoneheads,

923
01:13:00.680 --> 01:13:03.239
these pine totem poles they think they
were, and they are ten thousand

924
01:13:03.359 --> 01:13:08.239
years old, within one hundred years
either side of that eight thousand BC.

925
01:13:08.520 --> 01:13:15.520
And so even here we're finding Mesolithic
and Quebecay Tepee almost era kind of discoveries

926
01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:20.239
being made. So that puts a
whole new complexion on the possibility that you

927
01:13:20.279 --> 01:13:24.159
know, there might have been earlier
sites. I mean Karanak in Brittany,

928
01:13:24.359 --> 01:13:29.720
in some sites in Portugal. Some
of the stone circles constructions there are definitely

929
01:13:29.760 --> 01:13:32.439
super ancient and they go back to
six to seven thousand BC. Some of

930
01:13:32.479 --> 01:13:36.399
them we know nab to play Out
which is a very small stone circle complex,

931
01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:40.960
and southern Egypt goes back to seven
thousand BC as well, and that

932
01:13:41.000 --> 01:13:45.560
has the same geometry incidentally as Enclosure
D, which is bizarre. And so

933
01:13:45.039 --> 01:13:50.479
you know, we know that there's
little elements of these dating being found around

934
01:13:50.520 --> 01:13:57.359
the world, which kind of links
up the Quebecay Tepee era sites with the

935
01:13:57.399 --> 01:14:01.920
megalithic sites we know and love.
Amazing, really great to hear an update

936
01:14:02.039 --> 01:14:04.960
on Go Beckley, Teppy and Kara
hand Tappy. Those of you listening.

937
01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:10.159
The book we're talking about just was
released. It's called Cara. It's called

938
01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:15.840
Go Beckley, Tappy, Carahan Teppy, the World's First megalis. I've been

939
01:14:15.960 --> 01:14:21.119
joined with Hugh Newman. Let's talk
a little bit about what's going on with

940
01:14:21.159 --> 01:14:25.680
you. You have a a conference
coming up. Let's talk about that.

941
01:14:25.960 --> 01:14:30.039
Let's get into what's going on with
some new data. Go ahead, Yeah,

942
01:14:30.079 --> 01:14:31.880
well we're going. Yeah, we
do the Origins conference, you know

943
01:14:32.039 --> 01:14:39.119
during early November, November the fourth
this year in pewsey Wiltshire, and yeah,

944
01:14:39.119 --> 01:14:42.119
we we we like to, you
know, put on our own events

945
01:14:42.159 --> 01:14:45.239
really, you know, we find
Andrew's involved, JJ's involved. We've got

946
01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:47.560
Robert Temple. Yeah, Robert Temple
is huge. I love that guy.

947
01:14:47.680 --> 01:14:51.039
Having Finn Curly has done some brilliant
work on Mesopotamia. He got irving.

948
01:14:51.279 --> 01:14:55.520
Is he actually going to be there
physically, Yeah, Yeah, he's brilliant.

949
01:14:55.800 --> 01:15:00.960
Yeah. His his work on the
the cuneiform, he's written extent.

950
01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:04.239
We've had him on the show years
ago. Yeah, fantastic. Yeah,

951
01:15:04.239 --> 01:15:09.800
I mean getting back on the show
is a brilliant, hilarious guy. Oh,

952
01:15:09.800 --> 01:15:12.079
he's fun to have on the program. Now, are you going to

953
01:15:12.159 --> 01:15:15.159
stream the conference? Yeah, it's
life stream to tell people how they can

954
01:15:15.159 --> 01:15:18.800
get that at data. Yeah sure, it's just basically they go to the

955
01:15:18.840 --> 01:15:24.119
Megalithomania dot co dot UK website.
It's all up there. We're all over

956
01:15:24.159 --> 01:15:28.319
social media and everything else. I
just want to mention that Graham Phillips are

957
01:15:28.359 --> 01:15:31.159
speaking Deborah cut Right as well on
animism of the ancients. Graham on his

958
01:15:31.199 --> 01:15:35.439
Dogland research around Orkney and everything else. So yeah, so we like to

959
01:15:35.439 --> 01:15:40.640
put these on this is really origins
of civilization event. We really want to

960
01:15:40.960 --> 01:15:45.800
push back and bring all the latest
research into the well. Now we used

961
01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:47.199
to do it in London. Now
we do it in Wiltshire, so it's

962
01:15:47.279 --> 01:15:50.199
kind of local to me and it's
a much nicer place to do it.

963
01:15:50.399 --> 01:15:55.600
But yeah, we do that.
We also Andrew me and JJ we also

964
01:15:55.640 --> 01:16:00.439
take groups out Turkey every May and
September, amongst other things. We feel

965
01:16:00.479 --> 01:16:02.520
it's important. This means I know
you're going there as well. This is

966
01:16:02.600 --> 01:16:05.960
this is the time to go.
This is it. This next few years

967
01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:10.920
is the time of discovery. It's
like you go back to like what the

968
01:16:10.960 --> 01:16:15.119
seventeen eighteen hundreds in the Jungles of
Mexico. You go back to like you

969
01:16:15.159 --> 01:16:20.600
know, the early eighteen hundreds in
Egypt. Things were being discovered and it's

970
01:16:20.680 --> 01:16:25.600
blowing people's minds. All these ideas
were coming out. This is what's happening

971
01:16:25.640 --> 01:16:30.119
now on the planet in southeast Turkey, this is what people don't realize.

972
01:16:30.399 --> 01:16:32.520
And so we've got to remember some
of these sites are going to have roofs

973
01:16:32.520 --> 01:16:36.000
built over them, They're going to
have be more restrictions on visiting them and

974
01:16:36.039 --> 01:16:39.399
things like this. So you got
to like this, this is it,

975
01:16:39.439 --> 01:16:42.279
this is the two thing, and
see them now before they go crazy and

976
01:16:42.319 --> 01:16:45.560
go commercial. Yeah, I mean
because Quebecley Tepy's already pretty much done that,

977
01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:49.000
because they've now got a big to
take minibuses up there, they've got

978
01:16:49.119 --> 01:16:54.880
visit at center stuff, and it's
great. I mean, I appreciate that

979
01:16:54.880 --> 01:16:58.119
that they're protecting it. It's a
World Heritage site now. But yeah,

980
01:16:58.119 --> 01:17:00.640
I mean, this is this is
the era of discovery. It's fascinating.

981
01:17:00.640 --> 01:17:03.600
I mean, we were taking groups
out there since twenty thirteen and Carra Handteppe,

982
01:17:03.680 --> 01:17:08.319
as we mentioned earlier, just had
a little pillar tops sticking out of

983
01:17:08.359 --> 01:17:12.720
the ground and we went back there
many times before it started to ask weback

984
01:17:13.279 --> 01:17:15.399
yeah, and so you know,
and we had no idea what was underneath.

985
01:17:15.439 --> 01:17:19.000
We were just speculating. And so
now it's like, oh my god,

986
01:17:19.079 --> 01:17:23.039
it's much better than we could have
expected. So yes, it's a

987
01:17:23.039 --> 01:17:25.640
great time to get out there and
do these things. Yeah. Yeah,

988
01:17:25.680 --> 01:17:29.399
did you say you had Hancock in
this upcoming conference. He's graham going to

989
01:17:29.439 --> 01:17:30.600
be there. He's not going to
be there. No, but I did.

990
01:17:30.680 --> 01:17:34.720
I saw him recently. He was
at the SEAPAC conference. Yeah,

991
01:17:34.800 --> 01:17:39.640
yeah, and yeah, he's very
supportive of of our research, especially the

992
01:17:39.640 --> 01:17:43.680
Winter Solstice thing. You're putting up
our articles on his website. He's sort

993
01:17:44.439 --> 01:17:46.680
he's very intrigued by it. And
so yeah, we're very pleased about that.

994
01:17:46.800 --> 01:17:49.479
Andrew's really supportive of it as well. And yeah, we think,

995
01:17:49.680 --> 01:17:54.920
you know, something profound is emerging
out of the ground in that part of

996
01:17:54.960 --> 01:17:59.920
the world. Yeah, okay,
so people, what's the what's the webs

997
01:18:00.039 --> 01:18:02.600
say, megal Liithomedia dot com or
where do they go get more information about

998
01:18:02.640 --> 01:18:05.520
you and your in your work.
Yeah, they can just they could just

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01:18:05.560 --> 01:18:11.279
find search for Hugh Human or they
can look at Megalithumania. Yes, Megalithomania

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01:18:11.319 --> 01:18:15.279
dot co dot UK. They can
find that. They're also all over social

1001
01:18:15.319 --> 01:18:19.199
media. Megal Lithomania is most well
known for the conference we do every May

1002
01:18:19.239 --> 01:18:23.600
as well as in Glastonbury. That's
the kind of big sort of six day

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01:18:24.399 --> 01:18:30.119
extravaganza tours and conference and everything else. But yeah, but we've got lots

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01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:33.640
of projects on the go. Myself
and JJ are working on a new publication

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01:18:35.000 --> 01:18:40.399
very much focused on what similar to
what we've been talking about today and getting

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into some aspects which haven't really been
covered before. And JJ is a brilliant

1007
01:18:45.119 --> 01:18:47.319
research I know she's been on with
me on your show before on the ancient

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01:18:47.359 --> 01:18:53.840
symbolism right before I let you go. I have been working with and you

1009
01:18:53.880 --> 01:18:57.920
know everybody, And I'm going to
mention, uh, Mark Carlotto, Uh,

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01:18:58.640 --> 01:19:08.840
the mathematician Bill Reps who actually built
an animated version of the earlier epochs.

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01:19:09.039 --> 01:19:13.359
He calls them epochs, and this
is what we're using. He goes

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01:19:13.439 --> 01:19:17.399
back to the very first epoch around
four hundred thousand years ago, which is

1013
01:19:17.439 --> 01:19:25.119
so long ago it's almost stunning.
It freezes you. I'm still hardly trouble

1014
01:19:25.119 --> 01:19:31.840
getting around them. But between his
work and Mark Carlato's aligning these early temples,

1015
01:19:31.840 --> 01:19:38.680
these early sites, to these earlier
North poles, Mark is comfortable with

1016
01:19:38.800 --> 01:19:46.079
places like Tiwanaku and different places in
Egypt for about one hundred and fifty thousand

1017
01:19:46.239 --> 01:19:53.039
years ago. And I think that
your research and others who are finding these

1018
01:19:53.880 --> 01:19:58.520
dates like you know, twelve thousand
and so forth and so forth, are

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01:19:58.600 --> 01:20:04.439
helping us stretch to the earlier periods. What do you feel or if you

1020
01:20:04.479 --> 01:20:12.720
could prognosticate what would be the next
great number, because I'm thinking parts of

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01:20:12.760 --> 01:20:18.439
early Mexico, Like I was in
this tunnel underneath the Quetzoquatal Pyramid, and

1022
01:20:18.479 --> 01:20:25.680
it's looking like it wasn't the Tiwanaku
or the Ttiwacans who built that place.

1023
01:20:26.359 --> 01:20:30.920
They found it and this is what's
coming up, and I want your quick

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01:20:30.920 --> 01:20:34.640
discussion on this, a quick opinion. It looks like a lot of times

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01:20:35.560 --> 01:20:42.960
these ancient sites were abandoned like Tiwanaku, and another civilization would show up,

1026
01:20:43.560 --> 01:20:46.760
and we because we don't know anything
earlier than that, they are the ones

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01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:51.640
who we pronounce as the builders of
these sites. Where what can you comfortably

1028
01:20:51.680 --> 01:20:57.199
say is the next prediction? Is
it going to be a twenty thousand year

1029
01:20:57.239 --> 01:21:01.319
old civilization or discovery or or what? What do you say? Yeah,

1030
01:21:01.319 --> 01:21:05.359
that's a good question that I don't
I'm so focused on this, I'm not

1031
01:21:05.399 --> 01:21:09.680
sure. But one of the things
that I mean, Graham mentioned that the

1032
01:21:09.720 --> 01:21:15.680
Seapac conference actually was which kind of
triggered my thinking about this, was reminding

1033
01:21:15.720 --> 01:21:20.239
me of the underwater discoveries. Oh, I mean, I think I think

1034
01:21:20.239 --> 01:21:27.239
that's that's kind of the most unexplored
realm when it comes to like super ancient,

1035
01:21:27.279 --> 01:21:30.119
because you can work out when you
know the water was at a certain

1036
01:21:30.199 --> 01:21:33.119
level, and so some of the
stuff he's talking about it is so deep

1037
01:21:33.399 --> 01:21:38.319
and he's been talking about it for
a long time that it would push these

1038
01:21:38.399 --> 01:21:42.880
dates to the years you're talking about
possibly twenty thousand or more years. So

1039
01:21:43.079 --> 01:21:46.760
that is fascinating. I can't believe
that's still not being taken on board,

1040
01:21:46.760 --> 01:21:50.800
and more research hasn't been done,
because that, I think is where it's

1041
01:21:50.800 --> 01:21:53.560
at. I think, you know, but then you know, you look

1042
01:21:53.600 --> 01:22:00.520
at Southeast Turkey and stuff, they
deliberately cover oversights and so no one,

1043
01:22:00.720 --> 01:22:04.600
not even all these cultures coming through
these areas, these you know, tribes

1044
01:22:04.640 --> 01:22:09.359
coming through this, you know,
different cultures, wars taking. They don't

1045
01:22:09.399 --> 01:22:13.399
even know that stuff's just under the
ground. And so what else is going

1046
01:22:13.439 --> 01:22:16.439
to be found just under the ground
what people think of hills or Tepe's or

1047
01:22:16.520 --> 01:22:20.640
Hyak's and so this is Yeah,
it's bewildering, really, and I'm just

1048
01:22:20.720 --> 01:22:25.960
delighted that it's happening, you know, during our lifetimes, that we're getting

1049
01:22:25.960 --> 01:22:30.600
to see something emerging from zero point, you know, in Southeast Turkey.

1050
01:22:31.079 --> 01:22:34.640
Yeah, fantastic, Hugh Newman,
as always a pleasure having you on the

1051
01:22:34.680 --> 01:22:41.439
program. This new book Gobecley Tappy
Karenhan Teppe the world's first megal. This

1052
01:22:41.640 --> 01:22:45.479
is a fun read and it is
available now. So hey, great having

1053
01:22:45.520 --> 01:22:48.399
you on and we'll see you again, buddy, Thanks so much, Cliff,

1054
01:22:48.399 --> 01:22:55.920
appreciate it. Yeah. I want
to mention that we will be going

1055
01:22:56.039 --> 01:23:02.319
to go Beckley Teppy. The first
ever Earth Ancients t tour is August fourteenth

1056
01:23:02.439 --> 01:23:09.439
through the twenty fourth of twenty twenty
four. We are now taking reservations.

1057
01:23:09.479 --> 01:23:13.640
I have to say this though,
and unfortunately we are almost sold out.

1058
01:23:13.720 --> 01:23:17.079
I can't believe it. Almost to
a person. We've had a really good

1059
01:23:17.119 --> 01:23:23.600
response, and I think we're over
thirty right now. I don't know if

1060
01:23:23.600 --> 01:23:25.960
we want to take more than forty
people. I think we're at thirty three

1061
01:23:26.039 --> 01:23:29.520
thirty four. If you want to
join us on this tour, send me

1062
01:23:29.560 --> 01:23:34.600
an email, send it to Earth
Ancients for you at gmail dot com and

1063
01:23:34.760 --> 01:23:39.720
I will get you the itinerary.
We just got it and we're fine tuning

1064
01:23:39.760 --> 01:23:44.680
it. We're working on the red
page and everything is fantastic. It is

1065
01:23:44.720 --> 01:23:50.640
a really great itinerary. We all
fly into Istanbul and then we go to

1066
01:23:50.720 --> 01:24:00.119
our hotel and we begin making a
slow journey going through all these ancient sites

1067
01:24:00.760 --> 01:24:04.640
and museums, and there is so
much ancient history there. It's just mind

1068
01:24:04.720 --> 01:24:12.920
boggling. And we touch base in
quebecley Teppe. We actually fly there.

1069
01:24:13.479 --> 01:24:17.479
Then we come back and we oh, it's just an amazing itinerary. First

1070
01:24:17.479 --> 01:24:20.359
time we're going to be going there. But I got to say, we're

1071
01:24:20.479 --> 01:24:27.520
just about sold out, and I
feel bad because I didn't realize that we

1072
01:24:27.520 --> 01:24:30.479
would have this kind of a response, but I think it's great. So

1073
01:24:30.880 --> 01:24:35.119
again, if you want to join
us on this Turkey tour, it is

1074
01:24:35.279 --> 01:24:42.760
August fourteenth through the twenty fourth,
twenty twenty four. It's with the it's

1075
01:24:42.800 --> 01:24:46.800
Earth Ancients first. It's going to
be an annual tour and it's a VIP.

1076
01:24:47.159 --> 01:24:54.319
It's really top of the line.
All the hotels are amazing, the

1077
01:24:54.359 --> 01:25:00.039
food, the travel arrangements, all
the sites. I haven't been to any

1078
01:25:00.079 --> 01:25:03.439
of these sides, so I'm looking
forward to it. So it's going to

1079
01:25:03.479 --> 01:25:08.319
be a blast. August fourteenth to
the twenty fourth, twenty twenty four.

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01:25:08.760 --> 01:25:13.720
For more information, go do Earth
Ancients for You at Gmail dot com and

1081
01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:17.840
we'll try to get you a space. It's looking pretty pretty full, so

1082
01:25:18.199 --> 01:25:21.520
but we'll do what we can.
All right, that's it for this program.

1083
01:25:21.520 --> 01:25:25.520
I want to think my guest today, Hugh Newman, coming to us

1084
01:25:25.560 --> 01:25:30.960
from I think he's in Aphebury.
Yeah, he lives very close to He

1085
01:25:31.039 --> 01:25:34.520
lives very close to Stonehenge. I
found out when I was there last year.

1086
01:25:35.039 --> 01:25:41.079
Pretty cool as always, the team
of Ruth Thomas and Mark Foster.

1087
01:25:41.800 --> 01:25:45.239
Thank you for your help. You
guys rock all right, take care,

1088
01:25:45.399 --> 01:26:02.319
be well and we will talk to
you next time. You know a