1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:06,559 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio 2 00:00:06,759 --> 00:00:13,279 in the UK and around the world. Paranormal Dimensions is fortnightly on Mondays on 3 00:00:13,359 --> 00:00:17,839 the Paranormal UK Radio Network. I don't know why these sauces always have to 4 00:00:17,879 --> 00:00:20,480 wait till nighttime to put in an appearance. Where do you think it is? 5 00:00:20,679 --> 00:00:22,879 Well, from what these kids that it must be somewhere in northeast of 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,519 town and checks with the last radiar record from my radio station. Well, 7 00:00:26,559 --> 00:00:29,640 how do we better get right out there? General was pretty sorrds for letting 8 00:00:29,640 --> 00:01:25,120 the last one get away. Good Dedio. This is Sir Patrick Moore and 9 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:30,760 you're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the UK's biggest paranormal radio network, 10 00:01:32,079 --> 00:01:44,799 and this is Paranormal Dimensions with David. Hello, and welcome to the 11 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:49,159 show. Welcome, please to be welcoming back. Another previous guest to the 12 00:01:49,239 --> 00:01:53,680 show who was on the show a few months back, Gary Jones. And 13 00:01:53,799 --> 00:01:57,000 he's gonna be telling us about some weird goings on in Wales and some other 14 00:01:57,079 --> 00:02:01,799 strange goings on when we tried to do this recently and we're able to, 15 00:02:02,719 --> 00:02:07,319 so we should talk about that. So I'm very pleased to welcome Gary Jones 16 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:12,800 to the show. Oh, Gary, welcome to the show. Hey Davy, 17 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,800 thank you for having me on. Right, we're going to explain a 18 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:20,120 little bit to our audience here. We've had several attempts to sean get the 19 00:02:20,159 --> 00:02:23,199 show up the ground. A couple of about a week or so ago, 20 00:02:23,439 --> 00:02:27,840 we had a collapse. It's just completely alco about fifteen minutes. It's just 21 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,080 shut down. And I think Gary, that you believe that you're being interfered 22 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:35,120 with? Do you think so? Is that right? I have my suspicions 23 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,240 about it. Yeah, I mean I've had a number of different interviews now 24 00:02:38,319 --> 00:02:43,240 with the book we're going to be discussing, and despite my system having a 25 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:49,759 very strong signal and all all the software being virus free, there's no mechanical 26 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,759 faults or anything, you know. I mean, and I've tried different browsers 27 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:58,439 in case, you know, certain systems may not be compatible. I've tried 28 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,360 things like zencast Us, Guy, Zoom, stream Yard. I'm just about 29 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:07,159 every single one of them. There's always been a problem. It never comes 30 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,759 up as bandwidth problem. No, there be a problem at talk because you 31 00:03:09,759 --> 00:03:13,960 know, on an average day, I get about forty yard megabats. Maybe 32 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,759 I'm a very bad day. I mean, the least is about twenty six 33 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,719 twenty seven. I don't believe you need anything more than five or six to 34 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,599 run on a zoom call. So, I mean, I've not had a 35 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,639 lott of problems. But although I did tell you that I've had a few 36 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,319 one or two problems recently. But by that so I thought, so excuse 37 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,719 more than oh, so I'm gonna go out and by the laptop. So 38 00:03:35,719 --> 00:03:38,520 I was what I did. So I think from are in, I'm okay. 39 00:03:38,719 --> 00:03:40,680 So yeah, I mean, look what happened to you. I mean, 40 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,039 I mean we couldn't even connect. But no, it was annoy man. 41 00:03:46,599 --> 00:03:52,439 There was another guy in a stream yard. Um, yeah, you 42 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,319 post the person who was posting it, I'm not posting him. You're the 43 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:58,120 one who works in the background, a technical person, you know, deals 44 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:03,120 with the questions, and yeah, that person off of it. The person 45 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,919 is still talking right range. Yeah, it's all these little things. I 46 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,400 mean, look, I can't prove them being in the feeding with David, 47 00:04:10,479 --> 00:04:13,400 but I mean your system crashing and you said you've never had that happen to 48 00:04:13,439 --> 00:04:15,959 you before. Well, really. I mean once or twice we best some 49 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,279 funny things that happened. You know, we're talking to a lock American guests 50 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:24,199 or or something like that. But with you just being across the country, 51 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,560 it shouldn't really have given us a big problem like it did the same land 52 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:32,199 network landline network. Yeah, I'll just I'll just think we don't have to 53 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,800 explain to how this does out there, the extremes we go through to try 54 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:42,240 and give you a show, how surprise, how difficult it is real least 55 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,800 sometimes I don't know. It's not just coming on here and kicking a button. 56 00:04:45,879 --> 00:04:49,040 We've got to run around like crazy people. It's made sometimes I don't 57 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:53,079 know, give we give up by a reading stunt. We turned the time 58 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,639 big people out there now I'm only joking. So we love it. We 59 00:04:56,759 --> 00:05:00,480 we love doing it and it's our interest. So we we loan off of 60 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,199 each other. So I'll keep saying. But anyway, Gary will becomes the 61 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,560 show. What's ago? It was quite seeing you a couple years ago. 62 00:05:05,399 --> 00:05:09,040 There have probably seen you this year or whatever. But you've got a new 63 00:05:09,079 --> 00:05:14,480 book out called to Them Be Lights Do Yes m It came out on sale 64 00:05:14,519 --> 00:05:17,879 and the first of me and this is my author's copy. Of course, 65 00:05:17,879 --> 00:05:20,800 it just says do not reseail down there. But right, yeah, Gary's 66 00:05:20,959 --> 00:05:25,040 holding World the video here, and Gary's holding a copy of it up. 67 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,000 I have to admit, Gary, I haven't got it yet. I will 68 00:05:28,079 --> 00:05:31,839 do. Um. It's another one on what list of forever party up books 69 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,360 of books I'll probably never ever get the child to read properly, but you 70 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:41,360 know, you know what it's like. But yeah, it came out on 71 00:05:41,439 --> 00:05:45,399 me first. It's the cultivation of about five six years worth of work now 72 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,360 yeah, yeah, in a case that's over eleven I think eleven and a 73 00:05:48,399 --> 00:05:56,279 half years old now. Happened on January thirty twelve four from their home, 74 00:05:56,399 --> 00:06:00,399 as I say, saw strange lights in the middle of the night during a 75 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:08,480 thunder a stormy weather. They recorded what they saw and all investigations lead to 76 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,240 the conclusion that this is an unexplained event, meaning it's a you know, 77 00:06:12,319 --> 00:06:16,240 it's an unidentifiable object there for a UFO. Yeah, And during the course 78 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,120 of the last eleven and a half years, the family who saw it, 79 00:06:19,879 --> 00:06:27,079 I've spoken to a few local researchers and local journalists and things, and there 80 00:06:27,199 --> 00:06:30,240 was an investigation at the local level done, you know, preliminary investigation we've 81 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,720 done very well, actually done by a man named Peter Glynn, and we'll 82 00:06:32,759 --> 00:06:40,639 get into that of course. And then the videos picked up by some famous 83 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,519 musician you know, sort of took it out there to a much wider audience. 84 00:06:45,079 --> 00:06:47,399 But unfortunately that led to a lot of abuse as well, because you 85 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,000 get these people who just you know, it's like their sacred duty to come 86 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:56,480 along and just be addicted, like and you know, just presenting the dullest 87 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,920 of arguments you can think of. And I mean the dullast of arguments. 88 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,279 Will get into that too, but no, I had you know, Jason 89 00:07:01,319 --> 00:07:05,600 believes. Yeah, yeah, video I went up and interview with the family. 90 00:07:05,639 --> 00:07:12,639 I looked at I did as much research and meticulous looking at the information 91 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,319 and all that, and like I said, I put it together and you 92 00:07:15,399 --> 00:07:19,160 might notice the subheading there, Um, it says a truth Can you read 93 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:23,759 it? Yeah? You say already? Actually sorry? Oh yeah again? 94 00:07:24,399 --> 00:07:29,160 A truth for all comment for the existence of UFOs. Yeah, the subheading 95 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,600 on there. Yeah, I mean I was trying to come up with something, 96 00:07:31,639 --> 00:07:33,319 but I just will just call it what it is, isn't it. 97 00:07:33,399 --> 00:07:39,000 You know, it's a case can really prove to you that UFOs are real 98 00:07:39,199 --> 00:07:43,199 not But I think that needs to be proven anymore given the amount of information, 99 00:07:43,639 --> 00:07:46,639 certainly for you and a But I imagine there's people out there that still 100 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,439 got that until they see their own of course, I think. I mean, 101 00:07:50,839 --> 00:07:54,720 you don't just become a believer then you become another, don't you how 102 00:07:54,879 --> 00:08:00,680 you become a believer and probably a researcher investigating your own like But I mean, 103 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,680 I mean, if everyone's saying, okay, in point to a case 104 00:08:03,759 --> 00:08:07,759 that you know, you can say you know, that proves it, you 105 00:08:07,839 --> 00:08:11,079 know, it doesn't doesn't even roof for any conjecture or speculation, but can 106 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,600 prove that there's one you know, this is the case. That's what I 107 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,720 say about it. Obviously, it's not as big as the you know, 108 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,360 you know it's it's not like like a roswell or um randoms or forest, 109 00:08:20,439 --> 00:08:24,639 but it's certainly one of the best, you best best UFO cases in the 110 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,279 UK that I've seen. Yeah, I mean, obviously there's two cases human 111 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,360 should Previously, there's been lots of arguments around those who says we know, 112 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,960 but are there any arguments around this particular coast that you know about. No, 113 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,240 because well what were you What are you going to argue? I mean 114 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:46,480 I covered all the possible uh possible you know, explanations in there. Is 115 00:08:46,519 --> 00:08:50,840 it m Is it arking of lightning? Which could be one of the more 116 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,399 reasonable ones. You know, the more because you know, based upon the 117 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,480 way the lights are. Is it the golf course? Is it the quarry? 118 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:03,480 You know, because they're you know, two large occupied areas up there, 119 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,559 which could possibly explain, but it's it's not. They're way off where 120 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,519 they should be flashing them. Could it be people riding around up there on 121 00:09:11,639 --> 00:09:16,080 bikes or people walking around on the farmland hunting, or ramblers, you know, 122 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,039 doing cross country. But you've gotta understand, this is three am at 123 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,919 night in a storm. It's pouring down with the rain, I mean very 124 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:30,200 heavy rain. Visibility is practically zero. I wouldn't say practically zero. I 125 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:31,399 mean if it's lit up, you know you've got spray in your face. 126 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,360 The winds are like fifty sixty miles an hour gussing up to seventy in some 127 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:39,480 cases, and it's freezing cold. What are you going to be doing? 128 00:09:39,759 --> 00:09:43,480 You know you're not gonna be flying drones. You're not gonna be flying helicopters. 129 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:46,759 You certainly want to fly low planes in that whether I don't believe, 130 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,879 because you know you'd have especially the light aircraft, because I don't think they'll 131 00:09:48,879 --> 00:09:52,519 be able to handle, you know, the cross winds that well, maybe 132 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,759 they could. I don't know. I've never never tried myself, but I 133 00:09:54,799 --> 00:09:56,840 don't think we're certainly something. I checked them right out. There's nothing, 134 00:09:56,879 --> 00:09:58,639 you know. I mean, I've checked a lot of things. I haven't 135 00:09:58,639 --> 00:10:03,759 went as I was looking at lanterns and firework displays. I mean, I've 136 00:10:03,759 --> 00:10:05,000 looked at everything, David, it's just nothing there. I mean if Jason 137 00:10:05,039 --> 00:10:07,559 Bill, he was an RF man, can say it's unexplained, I don't 138 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,960 see why. Oh yeah, I've got a lot of respect for Certaly, 139 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,039 for Jason as well. You know, it's us put on show a couple 140 00:10:13,039 --> 00:10:20,480 of times actually, um for the benefit of very international explained with Denbes to 141 00:10:20,639 --> 00:10:24,080 be that mooint. Yeah. Denbies a small town up in North Wales near 142 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:31,559 the coast line up in the north and I do speak about the actual place 143 00:10:31,639 --> 00:10:33,600 itself. I can't remember the exact population, but it's a very old place 144 00:10:33,639 --> 00:10:37,759 and it was a couple of hundred years old. It's got some very famous 145 00:10:37,879 --> 00:10:41,759 landmarks, are like the Denby Castle being the main one. Um, it's 146 00:10:41,799 --> 00:10:46,480 got a lot of myth mythical stories about it, enchanted forest kind of folklore 147 00:10:46,519 --> 00:10:50,799 and all that stuff. That sort of stuff. Yeah, I know, 148 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:54,000 I talk about it in some of the book. And you know the Denbie 149 00:10:54,039 --> 00:10:56,759 Castle being an area of interest where there's been a lot of you are for 150 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:01,519 activity in my dad. And you know, I've heard stories about people with 151 00:11:01,639 --> 00:11:07,480 eight fingers slaying dragons and all that, and mystical light beings, and you 152 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,879 know, people were walking the dog like one lady was said in in a 153 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,919 story I found online. Some lady was walking a dog in the nineteen sixties. 154 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,919 Some strange beam light came down seemed to make the dog cower in some 155 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:24,720 corner and she used to grab it and this light burned her hand and the 156 00:11:24,879 --> 00:11:28,480 dog was a little shaky afterwards. You know, it was very unusual behavior 157 00:11:28,519 --> 00:11:33,120 for an animal, which is like I sustain a neuf okas is the energies 158 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,919 about them. I don't know, they just don't seem to agree with animals. 159 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,200 But I mean, I kind remember it's population. Actually, I think 160 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,519 it's got about six thousand people. Like I said, I talked about it 161 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:48,000 in the book, and you know it was it's a place that was founded 162 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,360 by a very famous Welshman and like I said, it was conquered by the 163 00:11:52,440 --> 00:12:00,000 English some centuries ago. And yeah, sorry about it. Like I said, 164 00:12:00,279 --> 00:12:03,200 um, a lot of a lot of them, a lot of a 165 00:12:03,279 --> 00:12:07,399 lot of myth myth sorry, a lot of mystical and mythical things about it. 166 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,879 And yes, so it's a very interesting place to be looking for UFO 167 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:16,240 activity. Indeed, m hmm, sounds very interesting. I don't think we 168 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:22,759 had been up there area myself. Yeah, I'll think we're up into Wales. 169 00:12:22,759 --> 00:12:26,720 I think I've been to South Wales. No, north North Wales. 170 00:12:26,799 --> 00:12:30,200 Sorry with all the Betsy Code and all that year, but it's still be 171 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:35,200 near the area those thing that's probably not maybe ed. I'm not not familiar 172 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,360 with North Wales all that much myself. No, But I mean, so 173 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:43,480 these witnesses that how many witnesses were there for this four four the two brothers 174 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,399 Nathan and Alex Thomas, the mother Linda Pritchard, and the granddaughter Kira Lee. 175 00:12:48,519 --> 00:12:54,200 George and I also at the same time Nathan saw it first, means 176 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:58,360 I'll tell the story. It was about three am in the morning, saw 177 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,600 a third of January two thousand and twelve, just still doing the school holidays, 178 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:07,799 which is why he's upsolutely, I guess. Anyway, he heard a 179 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,759 loud noise from outside his window. He looked out to see what it was, 180 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,799 and he realized it was the wind blowing his bin over. And it 181 00:13:13,919 --> 00:13:16,480 was quite a big, big, you know, council bin that had been 182 00:13:16,519 --> 00:13:20,879 blown over, full of rubbish of course, you know during crystals everywhere. 183 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:24,080 Yeah, maybe it was backed up, I don't know, but the point 184 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,360 was very heavy, so it must have been quite strong for the brood bins 185 00:13:26,399 --> 00:13:28,840 over, you know what I mean. Anyway, as he looked out, 186 00:13:28,919 --> 00:13:33,960 he could see something shining into the distance. There, thinking that maybe that's 187 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,879 probably a reflection on my TV. He turns around, take a look to 188 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,639 see what it is, and you realize it's not coming out the TV. 189 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,919 You opened the window to look out, and there it was this light, 190 00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:52,320 this strange set of lights, flickering, flashing, rotating and moving in a 191 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,320 very unusual way. And he knew straight away he was looking at something very 192 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:00,440 very odd, because you know, he's lived there his whole life. You 193 00:14:00,519 --> 00:14:03,600 know, you've never seen anything like this, and it doesn't take much to 194 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,000 see. You know what, when you when you see a satellites that don't 195 00:14:05,039 --> 00:14:09,120 conform to anything you know you've never seen before, it does it certainly gets 196 00:14:09,159 --> 00:14:13,600 you your brain looking at it. You know, he certainly makes you react 197 00:14:13,639 --> 00:14:16,240 to it very quickly. So anyway, you went to go wake his brother 198 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,600 up. Alex a few minute, about a minute or so into it, 199 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:22,039 I know, Well he woke him up pretty quick. Anyway, Alex what 200 00:14:22,159 --> 00:14:24,320 he was winding him up because said there's I think he said, even there 201 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,919 was a UFO. There's a strange UFO thing out the window, and Alex 202 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:28,840 thought he was winding him up. You know, he's tired, he's trying 203 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,759 to go to sleep, and way away he goes himself to the window and 204 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:37,720 it's like, you know, suddenly he's like, oh my god. And 205 00:14:37,879 --> 00:14:39,279 you can hear it in the video that was recorded. I put it up 206 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,039 on the I put a good portion of it up on my documentary that I 207 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,240 made. Talk about that bit in a bit, Yeah, well, and 208 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,480 I point out that film. We can put it out as a as a 209 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,440 link on the parallel directions. Yeah, I'll send you all the relevant links. 210 00:14:52,039 --> 00:14:54,720 I recently did a presentation on it as well. Looking at the evidence 211 00:14:54,759 --> 00:14:58,279 of good forty five minute presentation, it really does it does it some justice. 212 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:03,759 But anyway, Um, he saw it and Nathan had a camera given 213 00:15:03,799 --> 00:15:09,559 to him for Christmas. I think there was a Toshiba Camelio S thirty or 214 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,159 something like. That's one of those handheld cameras with a adjustable screen. I'm 215 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,399 quite a good camera for its day, obviously, you know the far better 216 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,799 cameras now, but still a very good camera for its day. Um. 217 00:15:20,919 --> 00:15:24,960 He starts recording and you can see the lights flashing in the distance, and 218 00:15:26,399 --> 00:15:30,399 the way they shine, the way they move is out. It's it's kind 219 00:15:30,399 --> 00:15:33,879 of like flash is all fireworks or someone one of the Annlex subscribers like that, 220 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,240 And it's so dimmed down like that sort of thing. But it's happening 221 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,480 in all patterns big lights, small sort yeah. Yeah, yeah, but 222 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:46,799 it's like I said, I wondered what kind of lights would match that description. 223 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:48,960 The closest I can find out. I don't know if you remember the 224 00:15:50,039 --> 00:15:54,039 old nineteen thirties cameras with the flashing flint bulbs and yeah, I'm pholted out 225 00:15:54,039 --> 00:16:00,679 too. Yeah, well I know that. Yeah, So, I mean 226 00:16:00,759 --> 00:16:03,840 I thought the way they're dimming is like that, you know, donn a 227 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,159 life flash, but they're slowly dimming out. They like that, you know, 228 00:16:06,159 --> 00:16:08,480 they're like flashes and then they go down. I remember that day when 229 00:16:08,519 --> 00:16:11,679 you used to stick a bowl ball and in a little yet flashing things. 230 00:16:12,159 --> 00:16:17,039 I got to change the bowl ball for each shop. Yeah, I suppose 231 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,200 I've actually seen that technology. And my friends all house amazing what he had 232 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,080 in his basement. It was like a Laddin's cave. But anyway, um, 233 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:26,799 yeah, so after a while they went to say, go go awake 234 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:32,799 and mother, because she was sleeping downstairs. Um, and Nathan I think 235 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:34,279 it was Nathan was yeah, Alex, I think it Wasn't ran down and 236 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,840 got it and it's like mom, mom, you know, and she woke 237 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,559 up thinking there's something wrong. She thought the house was on fire. There 238 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,120 was a fire in the hunt, thinking about you know, she's looking around 239 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,799 like this and said, what you know, I'm coming out and look at 240 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,480 this. And she comes upstairs, looks outside and you can hear it in 241 00:16:48,519 --> 00:16:51,879 the video and it's like, oh my god, what is there. It's 242 00:16:51,919 --> 00:16:55,240 like all three of them haven't got a clue, you know. It's it's 243 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:56,960 clear in the tone of voice, in the words they use. They are 244 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,480 looking at something they can't describe. It's just amazing that they're seeing it. 245 00:17:03,039 --> 00:17:07,359 And at some point Kira, Lee, George or to say, Kira hab 246 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,640 it a saying everyone's names all the time, Keira, Kira, you know, 247 00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:15,279 Keira she um, she came. She could hear that. There was 248 00:17:15,279 --> 00:17:17,680 a bit of a commotion. Well, there was like a bit of noise 249 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,680 and I think Nathan sort of opened the door to the UFO or something out 250 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,839 you and she went up to the window and out looking, you know. 251 00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:26,319 At that point, they're all looking at it, you know. And there's 252 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:33,359 like two videos which called which combined total about over nine minutes um. With 253 00:17:33,519 --> 00:17:37,440 two videos, you can clearly see zoom in, they zoom out, you 254 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,839 can get close. I mean at some point that the lights are like that 255 00:17:41,039 --> 00:17:42,119 like verticore, there's source of shape like this, you know, like so 256 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,359 it's like that, like you know that sort of thing, that sort of 257 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,599 old source of shape thing. Yeah. Yeah, and it's like them and 258 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:53,359 let's start to do this. They tilt. Yeah, so Gary for a 259 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,960 prior rodeo. This is Gary tilted. He said that he showed me the 260 00:17:56,079 --> 00:18:02,400 shape of a Yeah, there's it's a normal sort of a lot of dormond 261 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,799 the shape. I suppose it's the colons of shape. It's just my aunts 262 00:18:04,839 --> 00:18:11,400 can't make an oval. That's all a lot over an. This is like 263 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:15,519 a you know, like an oval. And it starts tilting like that, 264 00:18:17,319 --> 00:18:18,640 and you can see it in a lot of lock lock it up up ward 265 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:23,319 oval. Yeah. Yeah, so it's very strange. And my cat's just 266 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:34,000 wanderin. She's a pouch on food anyway. Um and uh so, And 267 00:18:34,319 --> 00:18:37,680 what's amazing is as it starts doing that, it starts sort of like tilting 268 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,759 a bit as well. Nathan is saying, you can see the top of 269 00:18:41,799 --> 00:18:44,839 the saucer as you can see the top of the saucer, and with their 270 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,720 eyes they can see more detail than the camera will obviously will be be able 271 00:18:48,759 --> 00:18:52,680 to pick up. And they're all the same, they just don't have a 272 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,279 clue what they're looking at. It is clear it's a uf or of some 273 00:18:55,400 --> 00:19:00,160 sort source of shape and identified flying object. I don't know whose technology is, 274 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,599 whether it's ours or whether it's someone at thet. I don't know, 275 00:19:02,799 --> 00:19:04,640 but yeah, well that's always a question, isn't it. Is it some 276 00:19:04,799 --> 00:19:11,240 sort of a secret project that's going on surprising or is it extraterrestrial law inst 277 00:19:11,279 --> 00:19:14,920 dimensional what? Even? You know, there's always a question. We've got 278 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:19,559 our ask ourselves when we see stuff like this. But in your own view, 279 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:23,640 you actually think it might be extraterrestrial view, I say, if it's 280 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,640 not ours, then it has to be because you know. I mean, 281 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:30,440 I was watching a bit of the Stephen Greer um press conference he did recently. 282 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,799 I don't know if you've seen that. I saw something. Well, 283 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,519 I I've only seen about it. I was it sure if it was a 284 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,680 recent one or an old or recent one? A recent one a week ago? 285 00:19:41,799 --> 00:19:45,119 Yeah, disclosure project he did out in Washington. Um, I've only 286 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:49,200 seen about maybe the first hour or in a house for three hours long. 287 00:19:51,759 --> 00:19:53,559 I mean, he's on about these. How does he what does he call 288 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,440 him? Electro gravitical vehicles? You know, he's got his own word for 289 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,599 it. I guess he does. I think the people do wake up the 290 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,119 road worth for things. Why not? Then we don't know what we're deal 291 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:08,440 unless you makeogy for them. Um, I usually sometimes use the word UAV 292 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,160 and identified aerial vehicle. I like to think it's it's a technology, a 293 00:20:12,279 --> 00:20:15,279 vehicle, you know, because it's a technology. But what is it? 294 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,000 You know? Yeah, I think everyone's just happy using the word uFocus. 295 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,559 It's very close to the if you know, it's more more, it's more 296 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,920 accepted, I guess, and more wide known now. So yeah, anyway, 297 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,440 I mean he was seeing about strange lights on them and this, and 298 00:20:29,799 --> 00:20:32,480 some I'm thinking maybe it is one of us. I don't know, but 299 00:20:33,799 --> 00:20:41,319 I mean I do have my suspicions about it being more extraterrestrial than terrestrial, 300 00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:45,720 just because of the you know, the stories of UFOs and flying sources and 301 00:20:45,799 --> 00:20:51,319 strange alien craft that have been seen around North Wales and that along on the 302 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:55,279 Liverpool coast lines. There are so many of them, yeah, so that 303 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:59,680 they actual should hit and there's all aerial things were in the air. But 304 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,799 it was and high, you know probably, I mean, given it I 305 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,400 know its size or roughly its size, it was probably about two hundred feet 306 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:12,200 hundred and fifty feet up maybe a hundred and ridley around that area. Wasn't 307 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:17,119 that by off the grow I suppose a big question is Are there any military 308 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,880 areas over there? Airfields or whatever? Oh yeah, there is a base 309 00:21:22,039 --> 00:21:25,279 somewhere up in North Wales. There's a fly zone up there too, just 310 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:30,039 out of the coastline. Um, can't think of the basis of it. 311 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,160 They're not too far from rift there, you know what I'm thinking? There 312 00:21:34,279 --> 00:21:38,079 was an air base up there and these were UFOs. Would I not have 313 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,720 been investigator boy? The boy someone off on the base? You know, 314 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,920 That's that's always a good question, and I think I might have an answer 315 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,599 for that. It's just something that came from another researcher. I mean, 316 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,799 have you ever heard of a guy named Gary Row Gary a bit of a 317 00:21:52,880 --> 00:22:00,799 Gary. He's been doing UFOs for many decades, and he did one called 318 00:22:00,839 --> 00:22:03,119 the European Roswell. I don't know if you've ever heard of it. You 319 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,359 know, piece he found a piece of it. It was some people call 320 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,519 it, some people calling that one the Welsh Roswell. So we got Welst 321 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,039 Roswell's lately, but you know he calls it the European Ross. Well, 322 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,359 and uh he said that. Well, kind of long story short, someone 323 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,480 phoned him about some strange material over some farm fields. He was calling to 324 00:22:23,559 --> 00:22:26,839 go and have a look. But by the time you get his people together, 325 00:22:26,039 --> 00:22:30,880 it looked like someone coming there and clean the area up. And but 326 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,599 he was he was he was determined to go and look around with his friend, 327 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,759 and he finally ended up finding a piece in a hedge. It was 328 00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:40,200 like very deep under under a hedge, like so, I guess the cleanup 329 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,079 crew couldn't find it. Maybe that'd a bit more tally. I mean, 330 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:47,160 that's suspicious in itself, isn't it. A cleanup crew goes straight uncause that 331 00:22:47,279 --> 00:22:49,680 was the story. That was what had happened. And then obviously cut down 332 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:55,079 trees and turfed up overturned land and which was very very strange in itself, 333 00:22:55,599 --> 00:22:57,400 and a long story short now. And then he found a piece and according 334 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:02,680 to him on his interview and things he said on this documentary, Um, 335 00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:07,720 it's like some sort of he's got some honeycomb like like like sort like a 336 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,000 well, yeah, it's like a honeycomb it you see would bees, you 337 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,720 know, the hives honeycomb shape. But it looks like a little piece like 338 00:23:14,759 --> 00:23:17,079 a sponge, like a little tin sponge. But he says, you can 339 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,559 stand on it and you won't even squash it and you can hit it with 340 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,319 something hard. You know, you can try and you know break it, 341 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,079 but you won't even you won't put a dent in it. Yeah, there's 342 00:23:25,079 --> 00:23:29,519 a little tin fall thing and some some fact container and obviously had that large 343 00:23:29,599 --> 00:23:33,200 green piece and it said it's it's it's like some sort of aero dynamic paint 344 00:23:33,279 --> 00:23:37,039 on it. But according to the way paint is made for aircraft, it's 345 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:41,480 what it's one of the least frictional paints you can make. So it was 346 00:23:41,519 --> 00:23:44,839 the most advanced of its time and it so it makes you wonder why our 347 00:23:44,839 --> 00:23:47,920 aircraft ada you're not using it. So that's what I know about it. 348 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,720 But he told me about the thing with the Clodian range. I'm not sure 349 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,640 if I put that in the book. Actually it was just but I couldn't 350 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,680 I couldn't confirm anything less, I couldn't really use that. But my cording 351 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,599 front him. There's a there's a Cloudian range, I think it's called a 352 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,319 mountain range up there that runs a lot too far from den beyond in that 353 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,839 area. Like if you imagine this is the maps Demba Clodian range runs along 354 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:18,599 here and it stops radar tracks from being able to track properly, or it 355 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,799 afares with radar, you know. So maybe the reason why military has in 356 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,880 came to this one or questioned about it, that particular mountain range was interfering 357 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,720 with it. Because they're saying the Cloudian Ranges he was like a like a 358 00:24:29,799 --> 00:24:32,559 highway for these UFOs to go in and out of the out of land. 359 00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:34,279 It might be true. Actually, because I've seen a few people post videos 360 00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:40,359 online about the Claudian Ranging strange objects, I have seen a feel they really 361 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,240 really aren't usual. Yeah, I mean it is unusual to actually get some 362 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,599 pootyage feel for real UFOs on online as well, especially if we've got people 363 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,400 to get as well as a lot of frauld stuff out there. But oh, 364 00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:55,880 did you actually go to the area, so too, we'd better go 365 00:24:56,079 --> 00:24:59,240 you. I'm on up there twice. The first time was when I was 366 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,480 just going up to North Wales. It was with the UFO group from Swansea, 367 00:25:02,519 --> 00:25:07,200 which I won't bother talking about. We've had I've about a fall out 368 00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:11,200 and I'm not happy with the way they've they've they've I don't want to give 369 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,319 them any more press, but I think we want to but anyway, um 370 00:25:17,279 --> 00:25:19,920 uh, anyway, so I want to I want to go up there. 371 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,960 The first time I met Margaret Fryan, I met Scott Felton, I met 372 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,759 a few other very and Gary Rope. Then I met that family on the 373 00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:30,920 way on the last last leg of the trip. Showed me the footage and 374 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,039 I was like, what you actually had? That said, is anyone actually 375 00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:38,319 looked into this? And they told me about pid Gladen and everything, and 376 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,279 I found out about his work little later on. But I second, I 377 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:42,880 have a copy of this. I said, I really think I could do 378 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,039 some good work with this. I think, you know, you've definitely got 379 00:25:45,079 --> 00:25:49,680 more than enough to one on a further investigation or you know, to read 380 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,880 just to just to see, you know, have a second look at it 381 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:59,400 maybe. And yeah, I started researching it and started looking into it, 382 00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:03,799 and um I went up there again in November. This time, I was 383 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,799 going in twenty and eighteen, I should say April two thou eighteen the first 384 00:26:07,799 --> 00:26:10,559 time, November two thousand and eighteen the second time. And as I was 385 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:11,960 up there, I did my interviews. I had my questions and everything. 386 00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:15,039 I managed to interview a number of the other people who I'll talk about later 387 00:26:17,319 --> 00:26:23,799 David Williams and Margaret Pritchard this Linda's sister, and I learned about the christ 388 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,920 maul Woods or the christ Woods I think they call it. It's like saying 389 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,680 Christ what you say with a sort of like an e in this like christ 390 00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:37,359 woods or something. Yea tongue twister anyway, But I learned about some trees 391 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,960 being knocked over from or cut down, just a couple of weeks after the 392 00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:45,599 event, and I was like, well, when did that happen? Then? 393 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,400 And Margaret talking about that, any chance we can go up there and 394 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:48,960 have a look, because he says it's still like that, and now I 395 00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:52,240 said, yeah, they they chopped down a really big chunk of it. 396 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:59,880 I'm trying to find a picture in the Book of the fun There is a 397 00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:03,440 picture of it near somewhere. Yeah, so goes look at the end of 398 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:10,079 book, trying to point a picture of it too earth man, I don't 399 00:27:10,079 --> 00:27:11,480 know. I thought, well, it's going to shop at this page one 400 00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:19,279 fifty around there, page page fifty. Oh yeah. And when I little 401 00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:23,519 gray out area there, Yeah, that's so big it isn't It's a bit 402 00:27:23,559 --> 00:27:26,880 down here too, Yeah, diamond shape or like you know, good. 403 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,400 Yeah, it's quite a lot of area of woods, it looks. According 404 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:37,759 to them, this was done just about we'll call it a month six um, 405 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,480 just after the event. And I was just like, well, why 406 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:45,319 is it every time we gets some close sighting of the UFO type vehicle, 407 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,759 which obviously has anti gravity technology or some sort, if it gets close to 408 00:27:49,799 --> 00:27:55,200 wooded landed areas, they always chop them down. It's not the first yea 409 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,559 as well? Yeah, Randall shopping happened a show, Phil, I think 410 00:28:00,599 --> 00:28:03,400 it happened in the n Numb one of nineteen eighty seven. I think it 411 00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:07,000 was, um yeah, the Gary Row one. You know, I'm a 412 00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:11,319 swift Way um type of the European Roswell for that one, the European Roswell. 413 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,119 Yeah. I think the guy who did that was Alli Richard. I 414 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,799 think his name is a good good documentary. I like it. Um what 415 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,559 else was there? Yeah? There was. I think the same thing happened 416 00:28:22,599 --> 00:28:26,079 with the Barwin Mountain as well. Um Pentok incident for sure, you know, 417 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,799 but that was like a but a year later. Actually, maybe we'll 418 00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:34,400 talking about a Painstak incident. Because I said and here and when I asked 419 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:41,519 the forestry Commission or whoever's in charge of that area. I didn't get I 420 00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:44,039 got an enter from the damn. I asked the Dembonishire Council. They said 421 00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:47,200 they're not in charge of it. I said, try another, try another 422 00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:49,039 land forestry commission or something that. I couldn't find nothing for them A lot. 423 00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:52,799 Well, I couldn't find any contact email, you know, So I 424 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,519 thought, what's going on here? Who owns this freaking place? You know? 425 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,599 And then I think they gave me a name for someone and there was 426 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,559 no there. There's no deep else that that was coming up for when in 427 00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:07,519 the search Google search, Um what else? So? I mean, but 428 00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:11,319 they call it an ancient woodland in the in the email, it's in the 429 00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:14,000 book anyway, I put that in there. I want to actually looked around. 430 00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:15,839 I realized that's a protected area. Christ my woods, you know, 431 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,960 it's it's a protected area. So why would someone just go in there and 432 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,160 chop it down? If it's a beautiful place to walk around, it's a 433 00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:30,559 very interesting woodland area and you're chopping it down? Makes sense? And then 434 00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:33,279 and there's no reason given for any of that. It's not the whole are 435 00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:34,400 They just chopped them all down? Some of them. We're probably taking away 436 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,319 with quite a good few with the must have left or along along the pavement 437 00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:41,000 on the path you can walk in there. Yeah. Well they're using the 438 00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:45,119 excuse for coppy scene because they use that excuse so that they can the street, 439 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,559 the tree strength and themselves. Yeah, it's a very used way to 440 00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:52,440 go about because the corners and those trees, those trees were like big strong. 441 00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:56,279 I think they were like oak trees, you know, yeah, you 442 00:29:56,359 --> 00:30:00,960 know, very big um or is it the excuse so usually in the wood. 443 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,839 I mean, the only thing I can come up with is either there 444 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,839 were storm damage or maybe that craft had someone to do woul knocking some of 445 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:12,319 them trees over and they didn't want evidence. I cannot expect late to that 446 00:30:12,359 --> 00:30:18,000 point. But it's just unusual why it keeps happening, Yeah, m hm 447 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,839 okay. I mean also you have the Pence Take incident, which you were 448 00:30:23,119 --> 00:30:27,119 you've written a book about. Now there's been some updates on letters in there. 449 00:30:27,519 --> 00:30:34,279 There's some going on. Yeah, some further incidents. The pen Talk 450 00:30:34,359 --> 00:30:40,519 incident was tod you say, that's the greatest to cover up both and modern 451 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,640 and Kes Clark was involved on that as well. And you were on the 452 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,480 show for you a few months back now, um, but it's been some 453 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:55,480 later incidents, so yeah, sort of revelations, yes, since since we 454 00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:00,319 lasted our updated presentation in June of twenty and twenty two in Newport. That 455 00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:06,000 presentation is um on our YouTube page. Penter Incident. I would encourage people 456 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,440 to go look at that Dark Presentations two hours so I wasn't a bit. 457 00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:12,519 It's a lot of good stuff in there. But afterwards, sometime afterwards, 458 00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:15,440 we started getting witnesses. We were coming forward and some of them actually spoke 459 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,319 to us on camera, so you can see that they're a real name, 460 00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:26,519 real face. Um. One of them was named Mark Morris said he saw 461 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:33,480 over the Smilock Woods area. Said he saw two red, two green orball 462 00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:37,920 lights moving like this. If you imagine my fingers at the orb, so 463 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,319 I kind of they're moving like dark arching ringbowl kind of out like a shape 464 00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:45,279 and they're sort of melding into one another like us. It looks like a 465 00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:51,480 orb anymore. But yeah, and if this sort of like these putting these 466 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,720 beams and lights out of themselves, you know, like shining beams of lights 467 00:31:55,759 --> 00:31:59,680 somewhere down the forest up in the sky. I can't crab its videos online 468 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:05,880 people to see with the text or I think the I still don't go around 469 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,240 to doing all the proper speech textings on it. But it's you can close 470 00:32:09,319 --> 00:32:13,839 capturing it on the youtubes. You can see what he's saying. Yeah, 471 00:32:14,119 --> 00:32:16,480 so you know he's going to those stick Welsh accents that some people who aren't 472 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:22,559 Welsh who might have trouble understanding. I guess they will say that. That's 473 00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:24,400 what he said. And he heard the explodes and he phone on the police. 474 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,039 He said he saw two of these abbs on see smiled was a big 475 00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:32,119 areaway. He was looking. I was at different areas of what this witness 476 00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:37,440 next. The name is Jacob Coleman. He was driving around with his ex 477 00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:42,799 girlfriend at the time. No obviously their ex girlfriend now, but there were 478 00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:47,240 a couple of n and he said he got out of the car. He 479 00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:50,759 could see a lot of low flying aircraft. But when he looked around a 480 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,599 certain area, when he stopped on a certain area, um he could see 481 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:59,680 I think he was looking from it from the east and he was and he 482 00:32:59,759 --> 00:33:01,480 was, you know, looking up to the west side of the So he's 483 00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:04,640 looking at and he's on the east side of the forest, you know, 484 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,200 looking that way, and he said he saw two Apache helicopters with face standing 485 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:15,039 off or facing off with some green object, bright greenish object, unusual, 486 00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:19,960 never seen nothing like it. It was so bright and so powerfully lit. 487 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,079 And he was he just he was just waiting for something to happen. It 488 00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:27,039 looked like web a blink first would would set off like but yeah, I 489 00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:29,839 mean this green object with two Apaches. There were three out that night, 490 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,519 obvious. The other one was firing back to Cardiff or Land the Cardif at 491 00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:37,720 that point because suffered cockpit failure with the generator on fire. So that's that 492 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,759 one. And then we got another one from smile Ug Woods. And I 493 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,839 couldn't tell you his name because I'm not allowed to do that right now. 494 00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:49,279 He doesn't give us permission. But I was allowed to put up a we 495 00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:52,680 could use his recording because he phoned Kas and gave up. He knew he 496 00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:54,960 was being recorded because we told him CEO can wait. He said fine, 497 00:33:57,039 --> 00:34:00,559 and Kas spoke with him and let him say, let's say his peace. 498 00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:06,839 And yeah. He told us that he and a friend were camping in the 499 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,320 woods that night because they liked to be outdoors they led to to survival training 500 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:14,960 and stuff like that, and as they were sort of like settling down for 501 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:20,679 the night, just chilling out, they said they heard the little rumble something 502 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,079 coming and then there was like a explosion, a sound of some sort which 503 00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:29,320 you know, reverberated through the ground. Also they went to go and take 504 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,519 a look to see what it might have actually had happened, because it certainly 505 00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:37,519 got them very very interested. And they came to the area which we me 506 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,960 and kas are now called the impacts that you remember. Cars went up there 507 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,639 the very next the following you know, when the following sunrise and the day 508 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:49,440 after all the broken trees. That's exactly where these two were on the night 509 00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,440 just after the explosion and when it's still dark, and they managed to creep 510 00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:55,960 up to a side along the road, because where the road if I had 511 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,920 to try and do you imagine there's a road here, right, and there's 512 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,159 a patch of grass here with trees. There's a patches of trees here, 513 00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:07,719 and there's a road that runs along that. Now they're hiding around here broken 514 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,440 tree areas up here, and they're looking up and they can see the military 515 00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:16,920 with their trucks and they're three people in these white hazmat looking suits and they're 516 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,480 all gathered around some objects, some which has been covered by bramble bushes. 517 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,360 And it's some sort of like cup shaped bottle on the top. It's like, 518 00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:29,840 can you imagine a Coca Cola bottle with the top part cut offs? 519 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,000 You stick at that sort of like slim sort of waistline body in the middle 520 00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:36,000 there. That's how we described it. And it was just all covered in 521 00:35:36,039 --> 00:35:38,760 brambles and tree and tree bushes and all that. And the interesting thing about 522 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,159 it is when he exposed himself, you know, it came out because he 523 00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:43,920 thought, also, okay, it's just that, you know, they're just 524 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,599 they're just you know, probably gathering one of their own down vehicles or something 525 00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:51,039 or whatever. You know. So as he stepped out in the clearing, 526 00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:55,320 him in this round and napped thrown into a truck violently. Their phones are 527 00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:00,760 taken off. They must have done something to them. They seemed to wipe 528 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,039 off all the passwords and you know, seemed to reset the settings on it 529 00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:08,000 somehow. Yeah that's three settings or something. Yeah, yeah, something like 530 00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:13,679 that. They did something to them any which made them which made them go 531 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,719 funny. And they were driven around two a bus stop now far away outside 532 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,119 of the wooded area, until not to go back. Excuse me, So, 533 00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:30,239 um, they wait until sunrise I think, got into the woods, 534 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:31,920 got their car and get out of it. And they haven't spoken about it 535 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,360 since all this time. But then it's like since me and cars have made 536 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,079 this case more public and more aware, people are starting to realize hang on 537 00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:40,960 now, hang on, that's that's that was that frigging night, you know. 538 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,559 And the interesting thing is with the three people I've mentioned, they were 539 00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:47,840 one person with them in every single so it's like six witnesses there. Really 540 00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:53,039 the three of three, two have gone public and one has at least given 541 00:36:53,159 --> 00:36:58,440 us, um, given us a chance to say his words. You know. 542 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,559 It's like a three minute clip I put up all of it's on the 543 00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:04,000 Penciga instant YouTube channels. It just typing Pentic incident and you'll find it. 544 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:12,559 Yeah, I forgot to mention as well. Um the Welsh government have admitted, 545 00:37:12,639 --> 00:37:17,719 of course they have no information on the so called exercise. Um I 546 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,679 discovered through whether a good strange anomalies. You know, there was a temperature 547 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:27,039 drop of five degrees during the night when Ka said, this thing was appearing 548 00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:31,239 in in the fields just an hour before the temperate started. Ripman dropped. 549 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,119 Sorry, and then you know, around the time this thing appeared, and 550 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,400 after a few minutes it starts to go back up another fort to five degree. 551 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,679 So that's all. Nowhere else does that happened except in the cardif area. 552 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:51,440 But the most interesting thing a cat of all from from the mold, 553 00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:53,679 shall we say, the Defense Secretariat himself, which is I don't know, 554 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:58,519 it's the highest position, was one of the highest positions. He got back 555 00:37:58,559 --> 00:38:00,239 to me from a freedom of information requests, and I said to him, 556 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,280 you know, were there any low flying training exercises or any sort of flying 557 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,480 exercise with the South Wales area February twenty sixteen, because that's what they're calling 558 00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:15,119 it, an exercise chameleon, despite the fact I can't find any information online 559 00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:20,079 about it or in their own records. He got back to me, he 560 00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:24,039 said this, No, there were no low flying training exercise or low flying 561 00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:30,840 saw the exercises of any kind for South Wales for the entire February of twenty 562 00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:35,719 sixteen. So okay, then you've just said there were no exercises, So 563 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:42,199 why did you have all those vehicles, all those helicopters, all those planes 564 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,119 and possibly jets also, as well as people on the ground, military person 565 00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:52,039 on the hundreds at least waking people up throughout the entire night find low. 566 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,960 But she's not supposed to do because cass Clarke did a very very brilliant piece 567 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,000 of work on this. She really went into the rules and regulations of low 568 00:38:59,039 --> 00:39:02,480 flying exercises, and they must have violate everyone she's listed. They must have 569 00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:07,840 violated and broke. It wasn't an exercise. They've just said it themselves. 570 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,840 So what were they doing here? I'm gonna joy I know she was very 571 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:15,360 annoyed about it. Well, I think a lot of people were annoying away 572 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:22,639 because I kept their babies up um with livestock. People were arrested for no 573 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:29,000 reason. You know. Some other people have obviously witnessed simming and then they're 574 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,239 they're denying or existence a bit. So Yeah, I mean people pen to 575 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:37,800 actually getping arms about this whole south. Yeah. Did he tell you, 576 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,360 I think further about it? Did he come back with the you know, 577 00:39:40,559 --> 00:39:46,039 with because of your upset or think well the person that was in the forest, 578 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,239 Yeah, No, the one you got in touch with the Freedom of 579 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:55,719 Information request when you can when you're asked about what was going on. I 580 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,719 haven't really followed that one up, but I mean that's not a bad idea. 581 00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:01,199 They play the troubles. We've done so many. Oh yeah. We 582 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,920 finally got the police to admit also that they had no training. They were 583 00:40:06,039 --> 00:40:08,639 there was no excell So why were the roads by the bean block? But 584 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,559 the police and the police have said they never had any The police said they 585 00:40:12,599 --> 00:40:15,519 have no information on it. People involved in the exercise of since retired. 586 00:40:16,119 --> 00:40:19,920 If you have no information or how did you know the people who were involved? 587 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,320 That was from a previous couple of Yeah. The interesting thing about this 588 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:28,039 one is when I got the Information Commission's officer involved, right, which is 589 00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:31,800 like the authority of the FOIS. It's interestedn't it. Um. We wrote 590 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:38,599 to them and I went through this very what's the word you know, there's 591 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:43,639 a word for you know, in some tedious process of you know, click 592 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,400 on this, click on that, send this off, send that off. 593 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,519 You know, it's like I might have just signed my life away. Yeah, 594 00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:52,400 just for an answer on the question simple question for crying alone anyway, 595 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:57,000 send it all off to the the ICO say in the softworest place, we're 596 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,880 not confirming whether or not there was an exercise. They were doing a military 597 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,920 exercise. I think it was like a terrorist or exercise. It's funny in 598 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,880 it because Kas made a good point on this that. I mean, they 599 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,280 talk about it in the newspapers a lot, all the other ones they've done. 600 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,760 Why is this one any different if that's what you were doing. I 601 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,360 mean you you announced you did one on June, in June twenty eighth of 602 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,880 that year. You even put flyers out in the in the shops for it. 603 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:22,719 Yeah, when it comes to this one, you're so secrety of us, 604 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:28,480 so you know, avoiding the question. But I think one of the 605 00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:31,320 interesting reply, the most interesting thing about the reply I took from it once 606 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:37,440 the ICO got involved, is um, they actually contacted the counter terrorism you 607 00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:39,519 did, the Welsh counter terrorist extremist, you know, something like that, 608 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:46,119 and they had they had no information or anything regarding an exercise for the twenty 609 00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:50,920 six of February twenty and sixteen, which is kind of strange because when the 610 00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:54,360 Royal Mentor asked about this since two eighteen, they said what was going on 611 00:41:54,599 --> 00:42:00,079 was something to do with the Welsh counter Terrorism Unit. So everyone's lying to 612 00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:04,320 me. It's a cover up that's being uncovered and we've done an excellent job 613 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,400 on that, meaning cars. I don't know. Of course he's gone through 614 00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:12,440 the polygraphs and like detectors and all that and all the radiations or something. 615 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,039 You know, who's that David? Oh No, I know there's a lot 616 00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:21,000 of detail in the books and but I'll just wonder there's something further on since 617 00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:22,920 you've written that, so you might have to actually update that book a little 618 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,039 bit later. I don't know what I mean, you know, it's something 619 00:42:27,039 --> 00:42:29,559 to me. We can discuss it, me and cars, but I mean 620 00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:32,719 I think we should rights, I think we could, but it's you know, 621 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,280 it's fine in time and whether or not what was see what happens. 622 00:42:38,119 --> 00:42:42,599 Yeah, it's yeah, it's fastly that you done the list. I mean 623 00:42:42,679 --> 00:42:44,960 a few people have askeds to do it. Anyway, quite a few people 624 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:49,440 ask what his book number two? And yeah, so that's so that's too, 625 00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:54,320 quite controversial UFO events that you're really involved with today. Still still now, 626 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,800 what do you think about the whistle whistle blow reports coming out of the 627 00:43:00,639 --> 00:43:05,400 Do you think there's anything in them that David Grolsche. Yeah, well, 628 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,840 as far as I know, he's handed in um documents to the Pentagon or 629 00:43:10,159 --> 00:43:15,280 my committee or something to be investigated, so that might be something interesting. 630 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,000 I haven't really looked into his background all that much, miss Up. I 631 00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:22,519 mean, the thing is, none of us have ever heard of him before. 632 00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:23,159 I know, I think, this is, this is, this is, 633 00:43:23,199 --> 00:43:27,480 this is, this is what's what's bugging me. It's um, we're 634 00:43:27,559 --> 00:43:30,079 getting this. We're sort of like making some good strides and disclosure on this 635 00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:35,400 subject. But it's like, if it's going to be disclosure, it's like 636 00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:38,480 they're trying to control the narrative of it once again. I mean, look, 637 00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:40,960 you know, I mean the UAPs from the Nimbus story. It's a 638 00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:45,599 very interesting and that's obviously real, right, Obviously the people involved in it 639 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,519 real. But it's like the people who are coming out and speaking as the 640 00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:52,880 experts of it, like the Corbell guy, that Lewis Alazando guy. I'm 641 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:57,800 not saying they're not real, and you know they are definitely people we should 642 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,639 not we should be listening to them. The point is, where have they 643 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,960 been all this time? Because you and I have been looking into this subject 644 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,280 for well over twenty years, and I was just about every big name there 645 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:12,079 is, even Nick Poples, not a He's not even never involved in anything 646 00:44:12,119 --> 00:44:14,760 in the Emerald. He was just a game side of the desk, you 647 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,079 know. He's like, we know his name at least anyway, you know 648 00:44:16,119 --> 00:44:19,920 what I mean. Yeah, but where have all these other people come from? 649 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,800 Who's this other guy all of a sudden? Yeah, it's just what 650 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:29,119 makes me. And you know, he's kind of telling you all the things 651 00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:31,239 you want to hear, and that I'm very skeptical of him. I mean, 652 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,840 I don't know why other people might think, but I'm very skeptical. 653 00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:37,239 Yeah, I am too. I mean, you know, I know that 654 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,840 they bring things out in the news when they're trying to distract you from other 655 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:46,159 things. And I'm just wondering if we've will been waiting for the big Avian 656 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:53,480 invasion lately, which which might be the new Yeah, the new big story. 657 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:58,639 So maybe this is a little bit of a bubble up to that boy. 658 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,920 Boy. You know, I don't know to take I want him to 659 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:06,559 be realized. I love him, of course, we'll do genuine and you 660 00:45:06,639 --> 00:45:07,599 know, well done, you know, if he's true, like you know, 661 00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:12,079 but unfortunately. You know, experience has taught me to be very, 662 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,320 very weird. Yeah, I mean, this is one of those stories that 663 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,039 I'll think I'll publil for a week or so. I didn't just disappearing more. 664 00:45:19,559 --> 00:45:24,719 I mean, where's the press coverage on Stephen Greers one? I mean, 665 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,679 some of the guys he had at that one were interesting. Everything to 666 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,320 the first two I can't remember what the other guy said clearly, but the 667 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:37,239 other one he was a very recent two thousand and nine. Apparently this this 668 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:42,039 took place in some the you know, the Far Eastern areas, not the 669 00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:45,039 Middle East. I'm like, you know, China, Japan, Indonesia area, 670 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:50,360 Yeah, the four East, so far um anyway over there. And 671 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,159 he said, I don't know what how he ended up in this place. 672 00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:55,320 I think he was with his with his unit and they were asked to do 673 00:45:55,400 --> 00:46:00,119 a hot LZ into some place there. And I came across a group of 674 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:06,320 mercenaries who seemed to be American based upon their accents, all dressed in black 675 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,880 camokie and no insignia, so they were clearly marks. But they had some 676 00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:15,320 very heat fancy guns and a clippment obviously well funded. But there was this 677 00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:17,880 like disc shaped object with this sort of like sort like the curve, you 678 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:22,199 know, so like the flat sided edges, you know, like a hexagonal 679 00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:27,159 shape with the flat edges on each side. And apparently he was discovering that 680 00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,639 they weren't just using them to transport drugs, they were using them to transport 681 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:37,320 children trafficked them. Yeah, the uf they're using anti gravity technology that they've 682 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:43,840 developed. The traffic children away and I don't know what happened. They were 683 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,280 forced to surrender their weapons or put them down, and they were removed from 684 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,320 the area at later point. But he got a chance to see this thing 685 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,400 takeoff, and he went off like four thousand miles an hour in an instant, 686 00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:57,440 And I thought, why is no one talking about that? Why is 687 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,480 no one given Stephen Greer, Why is all this stuff? Why is this 688 00:47:00,599 --> 00:47:06,199 David guy coming out now speaking to ROSSCOO thought, ze, yeah, um, 689 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,800 when when Stephen gree is major things happen. Even NASA at least had 690 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:16,840 a four hour five hour thing recently where they were talking about the science behind 691 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,519 the UFO, and I only had a chance to go through it briefly, 692 00:47:20,639 --> 00:47:23,079 but the gist of it is is that they didn't really talk about any UFO 693 00:47:23,199 --> 00:47:25,960 cases. They just so they've got to take these things more seriously. We 694 00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:30,719 know you're taking them more seriously. We've actually had whistleblowers from Stephen gree I 695 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,960 tell us that they've discovered for your own ploographs the bases were on the moon, 696 00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:39,599 and you're actually what whitewashing or airbrushing out UFOs before you released at the 697 00:47:39,639 --> 00:47:45,039 pictures you give us to the public. Yeah, oh no, that's so's 698 00:47:45,079 --> 00:47:47,039 fascinating yourself. What you mentioned there are about the bases on the moon. 699 00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:52,400 That's sectually. I wonder if what we go back to the moon soon, 700 00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,440 Well, were talking about going back to the moon, what are we gonna 701 00:47:55,480 --> 00:48:00,239 do there? Or we're going to try and cover things up again? I 702 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,039 don't know, they probably put it. If that's the case, they'll probably 703 00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:07,480 pick an area where there's nothing of any interest, just as shore, they 704 00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:09,920 can put a person on there. Again. I mean, I just find 705 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,239 it amazing. You know, the excuses they have given. All of that 706 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:15,639 is less. I mean, let me get a shot. You did this 707 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:22,679 well six seven times in slate sixties early seventies with that technology. Oh the 708 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:27,039 reason we haven't been baggers because all the people involved in the program retired always 709 00:48:27,079 --> 00:48:30,719 lost every single piece of notes in developments and designed as well. So what 710 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:36,400 you lost everything, every single thing? Yeah? Yeah, I do kind 711 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,480 of understand that because I mean I actually worked in that kind of industry and 712 00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:45,480 I do know how things kind of. People leave, drawings get put away, 713 00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:50,679 the technology kind of changes, and the people that are coming along don't 714 00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,239 quite understand the older technology they've broughtly on new technology. And if you're not 715 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:59,440 studying for a particular subject to do a particular thing, not going through the 716 00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:04,679 movers, you could actually get to a point where that technology that was used 717 00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,639 to go to the moment it's been put aside, and so you're going to 718 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:13,320 need an entire new technology. But when you do it next time, if 719 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,960 you see what I'm saying, so I think, yeah, you're seeing. 720 00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:17,639 But I mean there is such a thing as research and development, you know 721 00:49:17,679 --> 00:49:22,119 what I mean? Yeah, shouldn't it shouldn't it shouldn't take you fifty years 722 00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:24,559 to come up with another design to do this again. I mean I can 723 00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:28,960 only use it from my own points of view. I was working on the 724 00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,360 I C one thirties, right, and I got to a point where I 725 00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:37,440 was the only person that knew the the electronics and the tech and the mechanical 726 00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:42,159 side of what I was doing. I was the only person right, and 727 00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:45,719 which was crazy what you're saying, Yeah, it simply sends a good point 728 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,000 actually, And so I I mean at the point I know when I was 729 00:49:50,039 --> 00:49:52,519 working on this project, had I left the company, which I did threaten 730 00:49:52,639 --> 00:49:55,280 to do, you know, you don't to get a rise, I said, 731 00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,280 I'm fed up, I'm going to go. I've got a rice for 732 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,079 it. But so, wo had I left the company would have been right 733 00:50:01,199 --> 00:50:05,119 up the creek with it, because so they didn't know, they didn't have 734 00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:07,400 anyone else that knew the ins and outs of what I do. You know, 735 00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:13,960 so I do kind of understand a bit about the Apollo thing. Okay, 736 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,119 well that's a fair point. Something that they could have done by now 737 00:50:16,119 --> 00:50:20,280 I was landing a rover on the moon. Yeah, well you can send 738 00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:23,559 one to Mars. They haven't even send us live feed when you're dropping the 739 00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:25,920 parachute on the thing, So why can't you do that. For the moment 740 00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:30,360 I thought I thought they had done, maybe they do. You know. 741 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,920 The funny thing this maybe they happened. I haven't seen anything on it. 742 00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:39,440 I mean, we send arbiters and we've crashed a few things into the seem 743 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:44,519 to know the around there. Yeah, yeah, I think I could presume 744 00:50:44,599 --> 00:50:47,079 they why they haven't done that is because because of the trips they did there 745 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:52,119 in the like sixties, early seventies, and they probably finally they've got enough 746 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,039 moon rocks and I know what the layouts are like, so they don't need 747 00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:57,519 to put rovers on there. You know, there could be that argument. 748 00:50:58,199 --> 00:51:01,400 Um. Something I was learning something I learned from the presentation that I was 749 00:51:01,519 --> 00:51:07,239 doing just after me h k the guys now, but he was talking about 750 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:12,239 the Moon, and one of his slides, I actually mentioned something very interesting 751 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,480 that there were metals found and materials and stuff founding the moon rocks that are 752 00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:20,960 not found on it. M and some of these some of these things that 753 00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:28,880 you would find would normally be done in high pressure vacuum chambers and processed in 754 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,320 a way that would require some very high skilled technicians to do it. So 755 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:37,639 it's like, that's very interesting. Why why would this moon not have materials 756 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,320 found on Earth? If this thing was supposedly made of the Earth and in 757 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,079 a spirit millions and millions of years of course that makes me very That makes 758 00:51:46,119 --> 00:51:50,599 it very curious. It's very interesting, I must I mean there is there's 759 00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:54,519 some people to think that the moon's a fight object to anywhere. It was 760 00:51:54,599 --> 00:51:59,559 produced by somebody. I think that supposed to blow. I don't know. 761 00:52:00,679 --> 00:52:05,519 I mean, this guy went through a whole bunch of numbers about the size, 762 00:52:05,639 --> 00:52:08,320 shape distance for the moon. I mean the ones I remember, the 763 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:15,599 ones like the moon is four hundred times smaller than the sun it's diameter, 764 00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:21,400 but yet the Sun is four hundred times distance the distance from the moon the 765 00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,000 moon is from us, so that the Sun is like four hundred times greater 766 00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:27,159 away from us than the moon is. But yet the moon is four hundred 767 00:52:27,199 --> 00:52:31,119 times smaller than the sun. Which is why you get that that the solar 768 00:52:31,199 --> 00:52:36,280 eclipse happening. Uh, you know just what which is what makes it possible? 769 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:37,880 You know, because you know, if there's any bigger or small, 770 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:45,280 it wouldn't happen. Four hundred times waterfall was also But you know when you 771 00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,239 when you multiply a diameter by four at a times, imagine you come up 772 00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:51,519 with a pretty sizeable number. Yeah. Probably, Yeah, But there's all 773 00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:53,039 kinds of other numbers you mentioned as well. I whish I remembered some of 774 00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:58,880 them, but something to do with the amount of days in a cycle and 775 00:52:59,039 --> 00:53:05,440 how you know, there was all these really great numbers. I mean it 776 00:53:05,519 --> 00:53:09,239 sounds more artificial and yeah, I know there's some real questions to be answered 777 00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:15,880 about that, and it would seem a little bit too um unexplainable really, 778 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:21,960 yeah, I mean it's um. It often has been said the moon was 779 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,039 was not there at one point and then it appeared, you know, And 780 00:53:24,119 --> 00:53:30,639 according to some of the most ancient ancient scripts and writings, even from like 781 00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:35,239 fifty thousand years ago, it was said that one minute there was no moon 782 00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,719 and then and then all of a sudden the satellite appeared just to just appeared 783 00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:44,239 there overnight, like it was told there you know. Um. I think 784 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:49,280 the guy for that one was an Irish Fraller, some really interesting work, 785 00:53:50,519 --> 00:53:59,159 Mike Tassarian r I omn, but yeah, very interesting Feller. Um. 786 00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:04,199 A lot of these like very long details presentations, like nine hours long, 787 00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,320 so you can. Yeah, I like watching it because you get a real 788 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:12,000 education. I don't know I find time to do it. There's so many 789 00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:16,199 things going around all the time whatever, But yeah, it's all very fascinated. 790 00:54:16,199 --> 00:54:20,079 I've got to say that should be very sort of interesting when I go 791 00:54:20,159 --> 00:54:22,840 back to the Moon if I'm still around. Hopefully they'll still be around when 792 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:28,800 they go back. Um, following on, what are you going to be 793 00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,039 doing this year? You're gonna be going to any events? You know, 794 00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:35,960 the over them event and the awaiting Maybe well I'd like to make one or 795 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:37,760 two of them, but I have to wait to see it because at the 796 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,599 minute, I'm going on holiday now on Friday for two weeks and then want 797 00:54:40,639 --> 00:54:44,119 to come back. I'll have to see what I can do. So you'll 798 00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:47,079 be going on holiday as this show goes out on next Monday. So yeah, 799 00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,559 so as you're listening to just today, Gary's got on holiday, So 800 00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,880 where you're going, Yeah, I mean, don't be promoting this a bit 801 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,320 more? Yeah, can I see a few more things about this? Because 802 00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:04,119 absolutely, yeah, I'm really covered. I mean, I mean yeah, 803 00:55:04,199 --> 00:55:08,199 Well, after the sighting, I mean never explained that he went on for 804 00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:14,840 about fifteen minutes and they got about nine minutes of video recording and as the 805 00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,599 light went out. The best thing about the video that was said anyway, 806 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,920 it's like Alex, you can hear him. He's like this, Oh, 807 00:55:21,039 --> 00:55:24,519 don't stop now. He was so gutted when it went out. You know, 808 00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:28,719 it's like, why would you care if they were just random lights that 809 00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:34,840 you see every day. Anyway, the next couple of days, I think, 810 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,760 um, they were trying to find out from someone if they could get 811 00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:45,400 some help, maybe somebody could, maybe someone could come along and do some 812 00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:47,719 work for them, like you know, someone who knows about these things. 813 00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,079 That's where Peter Glenn comes at some point. And a few days or a 814 00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:58,239 week or so after about that, I'm not exactly sure, but it was 815 00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:02,480 just not long after the event and you went to visit the family saw the 816 00:56:02,639 --> 00:56:07,239 video, and he was convinced by it quite quite quite quickly. You know 817 00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:13,079 that this is definitely something that needs to be looked at. So he interviewed 818 00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:16,920 the family, got a lot of questions and good information. He went to 819 00:56:17,159 --> 00:56:20,719 the window to have a look at the site from where it was seen, 820 00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:22,840 did like a day night overlap of the area of the lights to try and 821 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:28,039 figure out roughly where this thing was. Then he went up to the farmland 822 00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:30,599 area with some friends how to look around and videotape because you know, you're 823 00:56:30,639 --> 00:56:37,679 thinking, I said, people activity are you are you looking at people on 824 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:43,440 bike squads, tortures, that kind of thing. You know, these lights 825 00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,159 don't look like that. You got to rule it out, an't you. 826 00:56:45,639 --> 00:56:46,880 Yeah, he looked around. There was no tracks. It was like some 827 00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:51,800 tractor, old tractor tracks there, you know, but nothing that would just 828 00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,239 describe something going round and around a circle or anything like that. There's no 829 00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:59,199 signs of human activity there of any kind. And it's not like there were 830 00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:04,320 tons of foots or a good gathering of them, or any signs like somebody 831 00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:09,199 was smoking or throwing away drink cartons or packets or anything. There was just 832 00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:15,159 nothing there. So I think at some point the police were called just before 833 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:20,559 he got involved. The police said that it was ramblers, but they also 834 00:57:20,679 --> 00:57:25,320 confirmed or lampers I should say, sorry, which means that's illegal. Apparently, 835 00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:30,920 so the police didn't involve, didn't bother looking into that, you know, 836 00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:34,079 this illegal activity. They were just happy that they was lampers. I 837 00:57:34,119 --> 00:57:40,800 guess they were looking for any excuse. And afterwards, yeah, I mean 838 00:57:43,679 --> 00:57:46,719 he started to really really get some he started to really get some good information 839 00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:51,239 and once he was all done, he put together, you know, a 840 00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,880 good hours worth of video footage and he posted it online edited with the video 841 00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,639 footage and a few whether you know, a little analysis that he done, 842 00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:05,239 and it was an it's good comprehensive piece of video. Imagine all that you 843 00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:09,079 okay, okay, okay, yeah, if you starting me out, she's 844 00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:15,440 just what's it get ye oh yeah, she's a she's a showboater. I 845 00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:20,679 think this one um anyway, So later on what happens is this is um 846 00:58:22,599 --> 00:58:27,840 an artist a DJ music I can't I know his name is scrill X anyway, 847 00:58:28,199 --> 00:58:31,320 So he's a musician, a musician, and I think's then DJing and 848 00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:37,920 some videos and stuff rock rock music as well. Anyway, he's very well 849 00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,679 known. He put this up on his page because I think one of his 850 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:45,440 album was looking at the UFOs and all that's cut this album cover. I 851 00:58:45,519 --> 00:58:46,719 think you're just looking at this because, you know, to promote it a 852 00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,559 bit more. Oh, the views on the video went through the roof, 853 00:58:50,599 --> 00:58:52,599 you know what I mean. He went from a couple of hundred or thousand 854 00:58:52,679 --> 00:58:54,880 up to like three hundred thousand in no time, like hundred thousand or something. 855 00:58:58,719 --> 00:59:00,239 So yeah, that really got it. Then I think the local media 856 00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:05,719 picked it up for a while, but no real mainstream journalists picked it up, 857 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,000 not even to put it on a you know, whether or not they 858 00:59:08,039 --> 00:59:12,360 wanted to put it on the news. I think there was an interest from 859 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,320 a TV company from America, but they just finished with their show, so 860 00:59:16,719 --> 00:59:20,519 they didn't know if they could come back anytime soon to do another one. 861 00:59:20,639 --> 00:59:25,320 So after a couple of months, maybe two or three months, the case 862 00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:30,280 kind of went silent, and it was just it was just, you know, 863 00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:34,159 it was talked about on you know, for that year. It was 864 00:59:34,199 --> 00:59:36,480 talked about for the year, you know, on local, the UFOs NO 865 00:59:36,599 --> 00:59:38,800 site, some of the best sit ins the twenty twelve. But after that, 866 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,000 I mean, it just went quiet. And I was like, you 867 00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:45,800 know, all this time, the video of evidence has been there, and 868 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:47,320 it's like no one's ball to look into it. So I was I was 869 00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:52,760 shocked about that, and I said as soon as I soon I saw it 870 00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,920 because I've had my own site thing when I was seven. I'm not it 871 00:59:55,039 --> 01:00:00,320 wasn't similar, but it was a lot of similarities. When I was when 872 01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:04,679 I saw an oval shaped object at night, um, I described it like 873 01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,679 you know when the sun's gone down and you can see the dark coming through 874 01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:13,039 one area beach still in the daylight leaving as well, said another daylight's just 875 01:00:13,079 --> 01:00:15,760 finally starting to go in one commint on the other side of the other side 876 01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,000 of the sky, it was really dark now the stars are all coming out 877 01:00:19,039 --> 01:00:22,639 as well. But there it was, you know, this friend point. 878 01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,360 So what's that? We all looked up there and area was this oval shaped 879 01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:30,599 object hovering silently. It looked like it was floating on water, calmly the 880 01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:31,840 way it was sort of moving a bit. What's it? A white like 881 01:00:32,039 --> 01:00:37,480 gary? Um? No, this one had a sort of red yellow orange 882 01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:42,239 een. They when they sort of like at some point you could see them, 883 01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,159 they were going redish yellowish orange, but blending into each other like this. 884 01:00:45,559 --> 01:00:49,480 Yeah, very much like what I saw back in sixty seven. There's 885 01:00:49,559 --> 01:00:53,119 like an oval orange I called it oval orange objects. But it was all 886 01:00:53,199 --> 01:00:58,480 like different shades of orange, completely solident, guying across the sky. So 887 01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,559 it sounds very simil through what your colors are describing. Yeah, well, 888 01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:07,199 like I said, sort and I used to watch the night Rider show. 889 01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:13,079 The kid had that red light that went backards and forwards like she has, 890 01:01:13,199 --> 01:01:15,039 you know, the red light went there was like you know, it was 891 01:01:15,079 --> 01:01:16,239 sort of like dim away, you know, from you know, darker night. 892 01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,920 It was. It was moving like that, you know, but it 893 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,679 was like a lava lamp as well. It was like lava flow. It 894 01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,480 was yeah, yeah, yeah, that's cord of the description or would give 895 01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:30,280 you the lava flow. You're getting a law by them. Yeah, I'm 896 01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:34,320 glad someone seen the same something similar at least. It's just there's a there's 897 01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,159 a hell of a lot of tongue difference there from one years sixty seven, 898 01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,280 so you see what you was at two eighty nine would have been Yeah, 899 01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:45,039 so we're talking about a good twenty yeard years difference. So yeah, it 900 01:01:45,039 --> 01:01:49,760 would have been around August of nineteen eighty nine because the school holidays definitely would 901 01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,559 have been because I was staying out after dark and my parents would only let 902 01:01:52,599 --> 01:01:55,519 me out. We'll stay out in the street where I lived after darkness summer 903 01:01:55,559 --> 01:01:58,840 time, and I was I'm just starting in the street. You can stay 904 01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:04,760 out there, you know. But yeah, yeah, I remember those days, 905 01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,599 So yeah I did. The reason I didn't you've sort of gone back 906 01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:12,159 onto the subject sort of then, be like, I didn't know how much 907 01:02:12,199 --> 01:02:14,320 you wanted. They'll tell us about it. I didn't want yeah, because 908 01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,199 I didn't want you to sort of give too much away because you'd rather people 909 01:02:17,239 --> 01:02:22,960 part of the book. Anyway. Well, no, that's but I mean 910 01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:27,719 once, uh, once I had to look at the video. I mean, 911 01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,440 like I said, I did all that research, all the background stuff, 912 01:02:30,519 --> 01:02:34,199 learned so much about it, and then, um, I just I 913 01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,880 made a documentary. I think it was about an hour and fifteen minutes long. 914 01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:42,400 I put it up on my page. It's about it's about an hour, 915 01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,480 hour and fifteen minutes. Right, look at every possible conceivable thing I 916 01:02:45,519 --> 01:02:52,280 can think of, interview all the witnesses, and this is where um oh 917 01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,199 yeah, this is with David. This is where Peter got some very good 918 01:02:54,840 --> 01:03:00,719 video and our enhancement images from David Williams. It was like the next door 919 01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:07,000 neighbor, next door neighbor of um, can we've got care trouble again? 920 01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,840 Oh, she's she's she's trying to get my attention. Now. She says 921 01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:16,119 she's gonna pestime. She called it up his leg. She's opening and closing 922 01:03:16,159 --> 01:03:21,920 the door like you have to wait, I'm sorry. She she's she's had 923 01:03:22,039 --> 01:03:30,320 quite a few pouchers today, but just some cats. Anyway, um strolled 924 01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,639 away. She's a very good and shep thirteen, you know, probably probably 925 01:03:32,639 --> 01:03:39,639 waiting size for a carriage. But she testime at times. She never goes 926 01:03:39,679 --> 01:03:44,519 angry. She just she just knows if she she she's packaged. She can 927 01:03:44,559 --> 01:03:45,800 come and teach, she can come and annoy me. She's one of those 928 01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:49,679 caps pails or controlling her in the food. Oh yeah, she's working for 929 01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:53,320 him. I six this one anyway, Um, the last thing I would 930 01:03:53,360 --> 01:04:00,559 suspect. Anyway, David took a frame of the video, enhanced it and 931 01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,960 really brought out some detail in it, and even with the black and white 932 01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:09,880 image, didn't hear, Um, you'll find the book somewhere around you. 933 01:04:11,719 --> 01:04:15,960 He basically, I mean you can see it on the video there, I 934 01:04:15,039 --> 01:04:19,599 said, a screenshot of Peter Glenn's video where Gary's holding a picture up of 935 01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:24,920 picture queens. Get this is this is how it looks when you look at 936 01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:28,719 well, yeah, you can see it there. You can see the outline 937 01:04:28,719 --> 01:04:32,480 of it maybe as well the camera there. Yeah, yeah, well I 938 01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:38,280 just thought they were just talking about it. So you can see small legs, 939 01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:43,800 big lags, the red one on top. That's one here that's reflecting. 940 01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:48,960 That's actually his camera like reflecting off the screen. Yeah, this is 941 01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,480 the rest of the image here, you know, so everything else is from 942 01:04:51,519 --> 01:05:00,519 the actual screenshot itself. And yeah, old disc shaped object like slashing clearly 943 01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:06,880 an oval shape to the top of it. Anyway, and I asked him 944 01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:10,000 for an interview, and I said, can you tell me then how you 945 01:05:10,119 --> 01:05:13,360 managed to bring that image out, because I would have tried myself to enhance 946 01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,000 detail or whatever, but and he said, well, I just had a 947 01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:21,119 software on my iPad. I just took a screen shot, zoomed in, 948 01:05:21,239 --> 01:05:27,079 took another screenshots and it seems to bring out the detail much better. Whatever. 949 01:05:27,079 --> 01:05:29,159 I don't even know what the software was on his iPad or whatever it 950 01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:30,159 was, it did a hell of a job. I think he must have 951 01:05:30,159 --> 01:05:34,079 just grabbed the perfect screenshot as well, where just at that point where everything's 952 01:05:34,159 --> 01:05:36,679 liking it because you can see there are four big bright lights that are liking 953 01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:44,039 up allowed him to capture the surface area of it as well. What's interesting 954 01:05:44,159 --> 01:05:50,079 is um I used that and I then had David sorry, I'm Jason Gleaves. 955 01:05:51,159 --> 01:05:56,480 Yeah, yeah, Jason, I asked somebody analyze it for me, 956 01:05:56,719 --> 01:06:00,880 and yeah, he did did a really good job on it and confirmed it 957 01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:05,679 as a unexplained sighting. There's just no way this can be anything else. 958 01:06:06,119 --> 01:06:09,800 Yeah, and you know that that little colored image you see on the top 959 01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:16,800 there. Um, when he sort of like combined some frames together and it's 960 01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,400 like I don't know, like a composite of some sort of thing. I 961 01:06:19,719 --> 01:06:23,559 don't know exactly the technique he used, but when he did it, this 962 01:06:23,719 --> 01:06:26,840 is kind of where he come up with. Obviously it's the moment. It's 963 01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:30,199 a little bit more colorful on here for the purposes of design for the cover 964 01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,559 of the book, which I'll put a picture of that on the on the 965 01:06:32,639 --> 01:06:36,480 page over the mestage page. So now I'll tell you all that. Um, 966 01:06:38,679 --> 01:06:43,960 it's just amazing. Um. You know, it's like that's more or 967 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,840 less how the family saw it, you know, but you've got with the 968 01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:49,400 more color there. But that's the colors he could see when you when you 969 01:06:49,559 --> 01:06:55,400 use various image capturing techniques. Well, I found a benefit of our listeners, 970 01:06:55,440 --> 01:07:00,119 I mean enjoys some gloves. He's actually a digital um um, but 971 01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:04,519 research or I guess he researches adgital pictures and they actually overlays them with different 972 01:07:04,559 --> 01:07:09,519 filters to filter out exactly what it is he's looking at, and they'll come 973 01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:12,800 up with the reply with an answer so whether oh, yes, okay, 974 01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,760 this is where all this looks fake or something like that, and he can 975 01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:19,480 do that digitally. He's very good at He's had a couple of books out 976 01:07:19,559 --> 01:07:23,199 himself with the same things. Yeah, I wanted two of them. It's 977 01:07:23,199 --> 01:07:27,280 difficult to try and explain on the lock of radio, but the pictures, 978 01:07:27,639 --> 01:07:31,519 if I had to explain it, it's just he takes videos and photographs and 979 01:07:31,639 --> 01:07:42,639 does analysis and he uses various filters, frame and other software to enhance increased 980 01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:45,199 visually, you know, the the clarity of the image, and he just 981 01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:49,599 tries to bring out certain shades and take out just to show it's a it's 982 01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:57,320 a solid object and it's not something that's been um often fraudulately produced, isn't 983 01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:01,320 it. Sometimes you can sell from that sort of Yeah, But so yeah, 984 01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:05,679 I mean, and he's definitely someone that I very much appreciate for doing 985 01:08:05,719 --> 01:08:12,400 all that. Because after the analysis came out, the Mirror put out the 986 01:08:12,519 --> 01:08:19,239 story on their website that UFO expert declares puttage as genuine. So you know, 987 01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:25,840 they did a little something on that and sometime later, Um, Mick 988 01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:29,760 West of Meta Bunk. I'm sure you know him, and I've a said, 989 01:08:30,079 --> 01:08:32,640 you know, I haven't got anything wrong with Mick West. You know, 990 01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:39,600 on times he has actually exposed a lot of fraudsters, so he's done 991 01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:43,319 good work that way, But it seems to be his default mode is always 992 01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:46,720 debunk and it's like, even when something genuine comes along, you still debunk 993 01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:53,000 with the debunking argument. And he's although I'll give him credit for this, 994 01:08:53,239 --> 01:08:56,479 you know, you know he called it aliens on golf carts for his like 995 01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:00,840 jokey video, and I'm just like, no, come on now there, 996 01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:02,119 you know, I mean, what you're saying is that it's someone on a 997 01:09:02,199 --> 01:09:04,520 vehicle driving around up there. I said, look, I've been to that 998 01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:09,640 area. I've looked. I've done an analysis on the video itself, using 999 01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:13,399 Google Earth as a means to measure the tool and everything. The family will 1000 01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,840 tell me that this object was much closer to them than up in the golf 1001 01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:19,119 course here, which is like a as you can see, it's I think 1002 01:09:19,119 --> 01:09:24,239 it's like over a mile as the bird. As the bird flies like in 1003 01:09:24,279 --> 01:09:27,920 a straight line. I said, this thing was much closer. Now if 1004 01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,479 you when I when I look at the day and night time comparisons, I 1005 01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:32,800 can see where the leading edge of one light is and with the leading edge 1006 01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:34,840 of the lighter is, because it seems not moving left the right and it's 1007 01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:40,039 staying where it is, but it's rotating with those flashing weird lights. And 1008 01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,439 if I just take the leading edge then leading nige from the point where I 1009 01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,600 know they've viewed it, and send the line out and see how far it 1010 01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:50,319 goes and where they think it is. Because I asked him in my interviews, 1011 01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:54,239 how big do you think this thing was? Yeah, I'm got asked 1012 01:09:54,279 --> 01:09:59,600 them some around sixty seventy feet, So this would put it just where Linda 1013 01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,800 pretty said it was just over just over the houses in the back, or 1014 01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:08,319 just a bit further behind. But there's a school there where she's standing where 1015 01:10:08,399 --> 01:10:10,239 she is in the book. Point now it was, but it's a field 1016 01:10:10,279 --> 01:10:14,159 called Kai how well, it's like an open field there for playing and you 1017 01:10:14,199 --> 01:10:17,319 know, running around. But beyond the back of that there's the farm and 1018 01:10:17,399 --> 01:10:21,079 the road and the school and everything. It's somewhere around there, And this 1019 01:10:21,279 --> 01:10:27,840 puts it from from that distance where the leading lights are. Google's imagery measuring 1020 01:10:28,399 --> 01:10:32,840 imagery puts it it around twenty twenty six meters, so that makes it around 1021 01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:39,600 seventy odd feet. So we're in the ballpark here. And what's interesting is 1022 01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:44,760 Peter, when he was doing his own work, um, he was walking 1023 01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,600 along scenario. I think he just wanted to take a look that. I 1024 01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,399 think he said something there was some cave system. There's some old cave system, 1025 01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:54,479 some mystical cave system that I've been told as well, not by Peter 1026 01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:57,159 but other people, you know. But there is a cave system there somewhere, 1027 01:10:57,399 --> 01:10:59,359 so that's interesting, you know, that could be. And it's right 1028 01:10:59,399 --> 01:11:01,319 near this ancient woodland which had led to treat chopped down, which is a 1029 01:11:01,359 --> 01:11:06,279 protected site, so you know. And I should point out about about a 1030 01:11:06,359 --> 01:11:11,199 week a month after this one, this this site thing, just a month 1031 01:11:11,319 --> 01:11:16,319 after, there was a story in the local media up there, someone named 1032 01:11:16,359 --> 01:11:20,199 Graham Evans. I put the story in the book. I didn't put the 1033 01:11:20,239 --> 01:11:23,600 picture in the book because I thought the show if I could use it, 1034 01:11:24,039 --> 01:11:28,479 but it's in the presentation anyway. I took. I took the video that 1035 01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:33,119 the screenshot of his photo comes from online image, you know, so I 1036 01:11:33,199 --> 01:11:36,119 wasn't sure if I could use it, you know, I don't want any 1037 01:11:36,159 --> 01:11:41,439 copyright is shoes, but you know you can clearly seen this photographing in the 1038 01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:45,920 headline of the thing. About a month after first of February two thousand twelve 1039 01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:49,600 daytime, he's got about three images of this some disc saved object over the 1040 01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:54,079 Denby Castle. But the Denby Castle is not that far away. You can 1041 01:11:54,119 --> 01:11:56,159 see it from the bedroom window of their home, and you can see it 1042 01:11:56,239 --> 01:12:00,760 from up from the woods area. There's this this object right there over the 1043 01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:06,039 casts are clearly a dis object shaped thing, which I thought was very very 1044 01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:13,760 very unusual, and got reporting on the February eighth, two thousand twelve. 1045 01:12:14,199 --> 01:12:16,640 And it's been my experience through all this research that I've done on other cases 1046 01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:19,760 as well, I'm reading about other people's cases. Do you have a major 1047 01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:26,720 sighting like that where you know something's come close to people on the ground state 1048 01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:30,039 visible for a while. Then it's clear this thing is going to be in 1049 01:12:30,119 --> 01:12:32,640 the area for a while too, and there could be a chance for other 1050 01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:38,239 people to see it. So that kind of makes sense to me. Yeah, 1051 01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:42,680 yeah, sure it does. Well, I'm glad we've got this show. 1052 01:12:43,319 --> 01:12:47,159 So weird we've seem we've got through it without any sort of interference stort 1053 01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:55,279 the sales, right, so so, so, have you got any how 1054 01:12:55,359 --> 01:12:58,079 can people get in touch with you? How can people see you all videos? 1055 01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:00,960 Have you got a web You've got website? Addrestle, I should get 1056 01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:05,399 it well placed. So once on rumbull, it seems about the about the 1057 01:13:08,119 --> 01:13:11,319 videos because YouTube keep shutting. I don't know why they keep shutting it down, 1058 01:13:11,399 --> 01:13:14,359 dude. Okay, Well I've had channels before, you know, trying 1059 01:13:14,399 --> 01:13:17,680 to blow stuff, but they always end up with some restriction on it or 1060 01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:23,600 something. You know. Really, I've had videos put on Facebook. Uh. 1061 01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,520 I did have a YouTube channel I got taken off me. I had 1062 01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:30,880 one on Daily Emotion, I got taken off thing, go one on them? 1063 01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:33,039 You know that got taken off me. That's weird. Just years before 1064 01:13:33,079 --> 01:13:39,520 I started really posting on no, I was making UFO stuff at the time. 1065 01:13:40,279 --> 01:13:43,000 Why must they said? They started doing around two thousand and seventeen thousand 1066 01:13:43,039 --> 01:13:45,199 eight and they started losing those channels. I tried to open a new one 1067 01:13:45,239 --> 01:13:49,279 since, but it's point and even when I post UFO stuff, it gets 1068 01:13:49,279 --> 01:13:55,079 taken down. So um, there's tons of stuff out there is why what 1069 01:13:55,279 --> 01:13:59,199 because you know, you don't know. I guess maybe certain people that they're 1070 01:13:59,239 --> 01:14:02,359 just looking at um it's probably maybe they don't even care anymore, but they 1071 01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:04,760 probably left it on some you know do not allow this, you know what 1072 01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:12,479 I mean, just automatically kid takes me off. Uh but yeah, I 1073 01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:16,000 had one on a bit shoot as well, but uploads and that one just 1074 01:14:16,039 --> 01:14:23,199 don't work. Tried so many times. Um, So I went over to 1075 01:14:23,319 --> 01:14:26,279 Rumble and so far that one's been good to me. It's been kind. 1076 01:14:27,079 --> 01:14:30,920 So I'm on Rumball. My name's it's under Gary Jones seven because I wanted 1077 01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:35,680 but just my name Gary Jones, Gary Jones seven or a R I that's 1078 01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:39,359 that's important. Yea, yeah, because I don't people think I stole my 1079 01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:41,880 name of the why but I started with an I don't ask me why because 1080 01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:46,520 I don't know why. But I know it's a good it's it's a good, 1081 01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:50,720 little good, little little rhyme. Um. But yeah, Gary Jones 1082 01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:55,399 seven, you know, just searched around Google and typing rumble after my name 1083 01:14:55,399 --> 01:14:58,640 Gary Jones seven, Rumble and hopefully happening the channel or just type in the 1084 01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:04,560 denby lights you have as well obviously, I'll send you links to all this 1085 01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:12,319 stuff with the book m as I said that if you're the Paranormal Dimensions page 1086 01:15:12,319 --> 01:15:15,319 on Facebook, if you come to that page, if you haven't done already 1087 01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:18,319 anyone listings this show, I'll put as many links as I can to Garry. 1088 01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,880 Otherwise, I'm on Facebook under this name, and then there's Gary Jones, 1089 01:15:23,119 --> 01:15:27,520 which is gay or Jones on Facebook is which you can find. You 1090 01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:32,000 can probably follow you on my face list as well if you're lucky. But 1091 01:15:32,319 --> 01:15:38,199 anyway, Gary, it's been great. Everyone enjoy your holiday when you have 1092 01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:43,800 tomorrow Friday. Friday, yes right, yeah, well we fight a fight 1093 01:15:44,079 --> 01:15:47,039 too, well just after two o'clock. Yeah, we'll enjoy yourself. And 1094 01:15:47,319 --> 01:15:49,800 as this show goes out, you'll be on holiday. As I said, 1095 01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:55,119 so so you left to check to while you're away, you have a look, 1096 01:15:55,199 --> 01:15:59,039 you'll see, Yeah, there's then there'll then be lights the truthful argument 1097 01:15:59,199 --> 01:16:03,600 for the existence of UFOs, which I'll put a obviously a picture of the 1098 01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:06,479 book on the US site as well. Anyway, Gay, I'll let you 1099 01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:10,880 go. Thank you very much for coming, and it's great to talk to 1100 01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:13,880 you again, and I hope to see you sud we've been. Yeah, 1101 01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,079 hopefully I might try and make one one of the August ones, but I 1102 01:16:16,119 --> 01:16:18,479 have to see what I can do. Yeah, all right, mate, 1103 01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:21,560 take care of yourself and as I say, have a good good time. 1104 01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:28,279 All right, perhaps your cover take care. Cheers Bob Boy and it was 1105 01:16:28,359 --> 01:16:31,199 Gary Jones. Thank you, Gary. We're done right. My next show 1106 01:16:31,279 --> 01:16:35,960 will be on Monday July tenth, and it's going to be Dave Hunt and 1107 01:16:36,159 --> 01:16:41,960 Phil Graham two guests. They were once in a band called Cosmosis and I 1108 01:16:42,079 --> 01:16:47,279 had some very strange experiences and still do apparently today. I've actually spoken at 1109 01:16:47,359 --> 01:16:53,039 length with both of them and their story is absolutely fascinated. So we should 1110 01:16:53,039 --> 01:16:56,640 be looking forward to that one. So that's Monday, July tenth. So 1111 01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:59,960 if you would like to get in touch with me anytime, my email address, 1112 01:17:00,079 --> 01:17:03,640 as always is David Young two q N at yahoo dot co dot uk. 1113 01:17:04,279 --> 01:17:09,279 That's David Young too, q N at Yahoo dot co dot uk. 1114 01:17:10,079 --> 01:17:12,760 I'm off to call more for a week in between now and the next show, 1115 01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,880 so I shall speak to you on do your Law of tenth. So 1116 01:17:15,039 --> 01:17:18,039 until the next time, enjoy the summer and I'll speak to you soon. 1117 01:17:18,279 --> 01:17:25,039 Bye bye. Paranormal Dimensions is as bright and powerful as our celestial star Us 1118 01:17:25,039 --> 01:17:29,720 have and although it's expending thousands of pounds of energy every minute of the day, 1119 01:17:30,119 --> 01:18:33,760 have no fear. There's plenty left. 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