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and this is Paranormal Dimensions with David. Hello, and welcome to the
show. Welcome, please to be welcoming back. Another previous guest to the
show who was on the show a few months back, Gary Jones. And
he's gonna be telling us about some weird goings on in Wales and some other
strange goings on when we tried to do this recently and we're able to,
so we should talk about that. So I'm very pleased to welcome Gary Jones
to the show. Oh, Gary, welcome to the show. Hey Davy,
thank you for having me on. Right, we're going to explain a
little bit to our audience here. We've had several attempts to sean get the
show up the ground. A couple of about a week or so ago,
we had a collapse. It's just completely alco about fifteen minutes. It's just
shut down. And I think Gary, that you believe that you're being interfered
with? Do you think so? Is that right? I have my suspicions
about it. Yeah, I mean I've had a number of different interviews now
with the book we're going to be discussing, and despite my system having a
very strong signal and all all the software being virus free, there's no mechanical
faults or anything, you know. I mean, and I've tried different browsers
in case, you know, certain systems may not be compatible. I've tried
things like zencast Us, Guy, Zoom, stream Yard. I'm just about
every single one of them. There's always been a problem. It never comes
up as bandwidth problem. No, there be a problem at talk because you
know, on an average day, I get about forty yard megabats. Maybe
I'm a very bad day. I mean, the least is about twenty six
twenty seven. I don't believe you need anything more than five or six to
run on a zoom call. So, I mean, I've not had a
lott of problems. But although I did tell you that I've had a few
one or two problems recently. But by that so I thought, so excuse
more than oh, so I'm gonna go out and by the laptop. So
I was what I did. So I think from are in, I'm okay.
So yeah, I mean, look what happened to you. I mean,
I mean we couldn't even connect. But no, it was annoy man.
There was another guy in a stream yard. Um, yeah, you
post the person who was posting it, I'm not posting him. You're the
one who works in the background, a technical person, you know, deals
with the questions, and yeah, that person off of it. The person
is still talking right range. Yeah, it's all these little things. I
mean, look, I can't prove them being in the feeding with David,
but I mean your system crashing and you said you've never had that happen to
you before. Well, really. I mean once or twice we best some
funny things that happened. You know, we're talking to a lock American guests
or or something like that. But with you just being across the country,
it shouldn't really have given us a big problem like it did the same land
network landline network. Yeah, I'll just I'll just think we don't have to
explain to how this does out there, the extremes we go through to try
and give you a show, how surprise, how difficult it is real least
sometimes I don't know. It's not just coming on here and kicking a button.
We've got to run around like crazy people. It's made sometimes I don't
know, give we give up by a reading stunt. We turned the time
big people out there now I'm only joking. So we love it. We
we love doing it and it's our interest. So we we loan off of
each other. So I'll keep saying. But anyway, Gary will becomes the
show. What's ago? It was quite seeing you a couple years ago.
There have probably seen you this year or whatever. But you've got a new
book out called to Them Be Lights Do Yes m It came out on sale
and the first of me and this is my author's copy. Of course,
it just says do not reseail down there. But right, yeah, Gary's
holding World the video here, and Gary's holding a copy of it up.
I have to admit, Gary, I haven't got it yet. I will
do. Um. It's another one on what list of forever party up books
of books I'll probably never ever get the child to read properly, but you
know, you know what it's like. But yeah, it came out on
me first. It's the cultivation of about five six years worth of work now
yeah, yeah, in a case that's over eleven I think eleven and a
half years old now. Happened on January thirty twelve four from their home,
as I say, saw strange lights in the middle of the night during a
thunder a stormy weather. They recorded what they saw and all investigations lead to
the conclusion that this is an unexplained event, meaning it's a you know,
it's an unidentifiable object there for a UFO. Yeah, And during the course
of the last eleven and a half years, the family who saw it,
I've spoken to a few local researchers and local journalists and things, and there
was an investigation at the local level done, you know, preliminary investigation we've
done very well, actually done by a man named Peter Glynn, and we'll
get into that of course. And then the videos picked up by some famous
musician you know, sort of took it out there to a much wider audience.
But unfortunately that led to a lot of abuse as well, because you
get these people who just you know, it's like their sacred duty to come
along and just be addicted, like and you know, just presenting the dullest
of arguments you can think of. And I mean the dullast of arguments.
Will get into that too, but no, I had you know, Jason
believes. Yeah, yeah, video I went up and interview with the family.
I looked at I did as much research and meticulous looking at the information
and all that, and like I said, I put it together and you
might notice the subheading there, Um, it says a truth Can you read
it? Yeah? You say already? Actually sorry? Oh yeah again?
A truth for all comment for the existence of UFOs. Yeah, the subheading
on there. Yeah, I mean I was trying to come up with something,
but I just will just call it what it is, isn't it.
You know, it's a case can really prove to you that UFOs are real
not But I think that needs to be proven anymore given the amount of information,
certainly for you and a But I imagine there's people out there that still
got that until they see their own of course, I think. I mean,
you don't just become a believer then you become another, don't you how
you become a believer and probably a researcher investigating your own like But I mean,
I mean, if everyone's saying, okay, in point to a case
that you know, you can say you know, that proves it, you
know, it doesn't doesn't even roof for any conjecture or speculation, but can
prove that there's one you know, this is the case. That's what I
say about it. Obviously, it's not as big as the you know,
you know it's it's not like like a roswell or um randoms or forest,
but it's certainly one of the best, you best best UFO cases in the
UK that I've seen. Yeah, I mean, obviously there's two cases human
should Previously, there's been lots of arguments around those who says we know,
but are there any arguments around this particular coast that you know about. No,
because well what were you What are you going to argue? I mean
I covered all the possible uh possible you know, explanations in there. Is
it m Is it arking of lightning? Which could be one of the more
reasonable ones. You know, the more because you know, based upon the
way the lights are. Is it the golf course? Is it the quarry?
You know, because they're you know, two large occupied areas up there,
which could possibly explain, but it's it's not. They're way off where
they should be flashing them. Could it be people riding around up there on
bikes or people walking around on the farmland hunting, or ramblers, you know,
doing cross country. But you've gotta understand, this is three am at
night in a storm. It's pouring down with the rain, I mean very
heavy rain. Visibility is practically zero. I wouldn't say practically zero. I
mean if it's lit up, you know you've got spray in your face.
The winds are like fifty sixty miles an hour gussing up to seventy in some
cases, and it's freezing cold. What are you going to be doing?
You know you're not gonna be flying drones. You're not gonna be flying helicopters.
You certainly want to fly low planes in that whether I don't believe,
because you know you'd have especially the light aircraft, because I don't think they'll
be able to handle, you know, the cross winds that well, maybe
they could. I don't know. I've never never tried myself, but I
don't think we're certainly something. I checked them right out. There's nothing,
you know. I mean, I've checked a lot of things. I haven't
went as I was looking at lanterns and firework displays. I mean, I've
looked at everything, David, it's just nothing there. I mean if Jason
Bill, he was an RF man, can say it's unexplained, I don't
see why. Oh yeah, I've got a lot of respect for Certaly,
for Jason as well. You know, it's us put on show a couple
of times actually, um for the benefit of very international explained with Denbes to
be that mooint. Yeah. Denbies a small town up in North Wales near
the coast line up in the north and I do speak about the actual place
itself. I can't remember the exact population, but it's a very old place
and it was a couple of hundred years old. It's got some very famous
landmarks, are like the Denby Castle being the main one. Um, it's
got a lot of myth mythical stories about it, enchanted forest kind of folklore
and all that stuff. That sort of stuff. Yeah, I know,
I talk about it in some of the book. And you know the Denbie
Castle being an area of interest where there's been a lot of you are for
activity in my dad. And you know, I've heard stories about people with
eight fingers slaying dragons and all that, and mystical light beings, and you
know, people were walking the dog like one lady was said in in a
story I found online. Some lady was walking a dog in the nineteen sixties.
Some strange beam light came down seemed to make the dog cower in some
corner and she used to grab it and this light burned her hand and the
dog was a little shaky afterwards. You know, it was very unusual behavior
for an animal, which is like I sustain a neuf okas is the energies
about them. I don't know, they just don't seem to agree with animals.
But I mean, I kind remember it's population. Actually, I think
it's got about six thousand people. Like I said, I talked about it
in the book, and you know it was it's a place that was founded
by a very famous Welshman and like I said, it was conquered by the
English some centuries ago. And yeah, sorry about it. Like I said,
um, a lot of a lot of them, a lot of a
lot of myth myth sorry, a lot of mystical and mythical things about it.
And yes, so it's a very interesting place to be looking for UFO
activity. Indeed, m hmm, sounds very interesting. I don't think we
had been up there area myself. Yeah, I'll think we're up into Wales.
I think I've been to South Wales. No, north North Wales.
Sorry with all the Betsy Code and all that year, but it's still be
near the area those thing that's probably not maybe ed. I'm not not familiar
with North Wales all that much myself. No, But I mean, so
these witnesses that how many witnesses were there for this four four the two brothers
Nathan and Alex Thomas, the mother Linda Pritchard, and the granddaughter Kira Lee.
George and I also at the same time Nathan saw it first, means
I'll tell the story. It was about three am in the morning, saw
a third of January two thousand and twelve, just still doing the school holidays,
which is why he's upsolutely, I guess. Anyway, he heard a
loud noise from outside his window. He looked out to see what it was,
and he realized it was the wind blowing his bin over. And it
was quite a big, big, you know, council bin that had been
blown over, full of rubbish of course, you know during crystals everywhere.
Yeah, maybe it was backed up, I don't know, but the point
was very heavy, so it must have been quite strong for the brood bins
over, you know what I mean. Anyway, as he looked out,
he could see something shining into the distance. There, thinking that maybe that's
probably a reflection on my TV. He turns around, take a look to
see what it is, and you realize it's not coming out the TV.
You opened the window to look out, and there it was this light,
this strange set of lights, flickering, flashing, rotating and moving in a
very unusual way. And he knew straight away he was looking at something very
very odd, because you know, he's lived there his whole life. You
know, you've never seen anything like this, and it doesn't take much to
see. You know what, when you when you see a satellites that don't
conform to anything you know you've never seen before, it does it certainly gets
you your brain looking at it. You know, he certainly makes you react
to it very quickly. So anyway, you went to go wake his brother
up. Alex a few minute, about a minute or so into it,
I know, Well he woke him up pretty quick. Anyway, Alex what
he was winding him up because said there's I think he said, even there
was a UFO. There's a strange UFO thing out the window, and Alex
thought he was winding him up. You know, he's tired, he's trying
to go to sleep, and way away he goes himself to the window and
it's like, you know, suddenly he's like, oh my god. And
you can hear it in the video that was recorded. I put it up
on the I put a good portion of it up on my documentary that I
made. Talk about that bit in a bit, Yeah, well, and
I point out that film. We can put it out as a as a
link on the parallel directions. Yeah, I'll send you all the relevant links.
I recently did a presentation on it as well. Looking at the evidence
of good forty five minute presentation, it really does it does it some justice.
But anyway, Um, he saw it and Nathan had a camera given
to him for Christmas. I think there was a Toshiba Camelio S thirty or
something like. That's one of those handheld cameras with a adjustable screen. I'm
quite a good camera for its day, obviously, you know the far better
cameras now, but still a very good camera for its day. Um.
He starts recording and you can see the lights flashing in the distance, and
the way they shine, the way they move is out. It's it's kind
of like flash is all fireworks or someone one of the Annlex subscribers like that,
And it's so dimmed down like that sort of thing. But it's happening
in all patterns big lights, small sort yeah. Yeah, yeah, but
it's like I said, I wondered what kind of lights would match that description.
The closest I can find out. I don't know if you remember the
old nineteen thirties cameras with the flashing flint bulbs and yeah, I'm pholted out
too. Yeah, well I know that. Yeah, So, I mean
I thought the way they're dimming is like that, you know, donn a
life flash, but they're slowly dimming out. They like that, you know,
they're like flashes and then they go down. I remember that day when
you used to stick a bowl ball and in a little yet flashing things.
I got to change the bowl ball for each shop. Yeah, I suppose
I've actually seen that technology. And my friends all house amazing what he had
in his basement. It was like a Laddin's cave. But anyway, um,
yeah, so after a while they went to say, go go awake
and mother, because she was sleeping downstairs. Um, and Nathan I think
it was Nathan was yeah, Alex, I think it Wasn't ran down and
got it and it's like mom, mom, you know, and she woke
up thinking there's something wrong. She thought the house was on fire. There
was a fire in the hunt, thinking about you know, she's looking around
like this and said, what you know, I'm coming out and look at
this. And she comes upstairs, looks outside and you can hear it in
the video and it's like, oh my god, what is there. It's
like all three of them haven't got a clue, you know. It's it's
clear in the tone of voice, in the words they use. They are
looking at something they can't describe. It's just amazing that they're seeing it.
And at some point Kira, Lee, George or to say, Kira hab
it a saying everyone's names all the time, Keira, Kira, you know,
Keira she um, she came. She could hear that. There was
a bit of a commotion. Well, there was like a bit of noise
and I think Nathan sort of opened the door to the UFO or something out
you and she went up to the window and out looking, you know.
At that point, they're all looking at it, you know. And there's
like two videos which called which combined total about over nine minutes um. With
two videos, you can clearly see zoom in, they zoom out, you
can get close. I mean at some point that the lights are like that
like verticore, there's source of shape like this, you know, like so
it's like that, like you know that sort of thing, that sort of
old source of shape thing. Yeah. Yeah, and it's like them and
let's start to do this. They tilt. Yeah, so Gary for a
prior rodeo. This is Gary tilted. He said that he showed me the
shape of a Yeah, there's it's a normal sort of a lot of dormond
the shape. I suppose it's the colons of shape. It's just my aunts
can't make an oval. That's all a lot over an. This is like
a you know, like an oval. And it starts tilting like that,
and you can see it in a lot of lock lock it up up ward
oval. Yeah. Yeah, so it's very strange. And my cat's just
wanderin. She's a pouch on food anyway. Um and uh so, And
what's amazing is as it starts doing that, it starts sort of like tilting
a bit as well. Nathan is saying, you can see the top of
the saucer as you can see the top of the saucer, and with their
eyes they can see more detail than the camera will obviously will be be able
to pick up. And they're all the same, they just don't have a
clue what they're looking at. It is clear it's a uf or of some
sort source of shape and identified flying object. I don't know whose technology is,
whether it's ours or whether it's someone at thet. I don't know,
but yeah, well that's always a question, isn't it. Is it some
sort of a secret project that's going on surprising or is it extraterrestrial law inst
dimensional what? Even? You know, there's always a question. We've got
our ask ourselves when we see stuff like this. But in your own view,
you actually think it might be extraterrestrial view, I say, if it's
not ours, then it has to be because you know. I mean,
I was watching a bit of the Stephen Greer um press conference he did recently.
I don't know if you've seen that. I saw something. Well,
I I've only seen about it. I was it sure if it was a
recent one or an old or recent one? A recent one a week ago?
Yeah, disclosure project he did out in Washington. Um, I've only
seen about maybe the first hour or in a house for three hours long.
I mean, he's on about these. How does he what does he call
him? Electro gravitical vehicles? You know, he's got his own word for
it. I guess he does. I think the people do wake up the
road worth for things. Why not? Then we don't know what we're deal
unless you makeogy for them. Um, I usually sometimes use the word UAV
and identified aerial vehicle. I like to think it's it's a technology, a
vehicle, you know, because it's a technology. But what is it?
You know? Yeah, I think everyone's just happy using the word uFocus.
It's very close to the if you know, it's more more, it's more
accepted, I guess, and more wide known now. So yeah, anyway,
I mean he was seeing about strange lights on them and this, and
some I'm thinking maybe it is one of us. I don't know, but
I mean I do have my suspicions about it being more extraterrestrial than terrestrial,
just because of the you know, the stories of UFOs and flying sources and
strange alien craft that have been seen around North Wales and that along on the
Liverpool coast lines. There are so many of them, yeah, so that
they actual should hit and there's all aerial things were in the air. But
it was and high, you know probably, I mean, given it I
know its size or roughly its size, it was probably about two hundred feet
hundred and fifty feet up maybe a hundred and ridley around that area. Wasn't
that by off the grow I suppose a big question is Are there any military
areas over there? Airfields or whatever? Oh yeah, there is a base
somewhere up in North Wales. There's a fly zone up there too, just
out of the coastline. Um, can't think of the basis of it.
They're not too far from rift there, you know what I'm thinking? There
was an air base up there and these were UFOs. Would I not have
been investigator boy? The boy someone off on the base? You know,
That's that's always a good question, and I think I might have an answer
for that. It's just something that came from another researcher. I mean,
have you ever heard of a guy named Gary Row Gary a bit of a
Gary. He's been doing UFOs for many decades, and he did one called
the European Roswell. I don't know if you've ever heard of it. You
know, piece he found a piece of it. It was some people call
it, some people calling that one the Welsh Roswell. So we got Welst
Roswell's lately, but you know he calls it the European Ross. Well,
and uh he said that. Well, kind of long story short, someone
phoned him about some strange material over some farm fields. He was calling to
go and have a look. But by the time you get his people together,
it looked like someone coming there and clean the area up. And but
he was he was he was determined to go and look around with his friend,
and he finally ended up finding a piece in a hedge. It was
like very deep under under a hedge, like so, I guess the cleanup
crew couldn't find it. Maybe that'd a bit more tally. I mean,
that's suspicious in itself, isn't it. A cleanup crew goes straight uncause that
was the story. That was what had happened. And then obviously cut down
trees and turfed up overturned land and which was very very strange in itself,
and a long story short now. And then he found a piece and according
to him on his interview and things he said on this documentary, Um,
it's like some sort of he's got some honeycomb like like like sort like a
well, yeah, it's like a honeycomb it you see would bees, you
know, the hives honeycomb shape. But it looks like a little piece like
a sponge, like a little tin sponge. But he says, you can
stand on it and you won't even squash it and you can hit it with
something hard. You know, you can try and you know break it,
but you won't even you won't put a dent in it. Yeah, there's
a little tin fall thing and some some fact container and obviously had that large
green piece and it said it's it's it's like some sort of aero dynamic paint
on it. But according to the way paint is made for aircraft, it's
what it's one of the least frictional paints you can make. So it was
the most advanced of its time and it so it makes you wonder why our
aircraft ada you're not using it. So that's what I know about it.
But he told me about the thing with the Clodian range. I'm not sure
if I put that in the book. Actually it was just but I couldn't
I couldn't confirm anything less, I couldn't really use that. But my cording
front him. There's a there's a Cloudian range, I think it's called a
mountain range up there that runs a lot too far from den beyond in that
area. Like if you imagine this is the maps Demba Clodian range runs along
here and it stops radar tracks from being able to track properly, or it
afares with radar, you know. So maybe the reason why military has in
came to this one or questioned about it, that particular mountain range was interfering
with it. Because they're saying the Cloudian Ranges he was like a like a
highway for these UFOs to go in and out of the out of land.
It might be true. Actually, because I've seen a few people post videos
online about the Claudian Ranging strange objects, I have seen a feel they really
really aren't usual. Yeah, I mean it is unusual to actually get some
pootyage feel for real UFOs on online as well, especially if we've got people
to get as well as a lot of frauld stuff out there. But oh,
did you actually go to the area, so too, we'd better go
you. I'm on up there twice. The first time was when I was
just going up to North Wales. It was with the UFO group from Swansea,
which I won't bother talking about. We've had I've about a fall out
and I'm not happy with the way they've they've they've I don't want to give
them any more press, but I think we want to but anyway, um
uh, anyway, so I want to I want to go up there.
The first time I met Margaret Fryan, I met Scott Felton, I met
a few other very and Gary Rope. Then I met that family on the
way on the last last leg of the trip. Showed me the footage and
I was like, what you actually had? That said, is anyone actually
looked into this? And they told me about pid Gladen and everything, and
I found out about his work little later on. But I second, I
have a copy of this. I said, I really think I could do
some good work with this. I think, you know, you've definitely got
more than enough to one on a further investigation or you know, to read
just to just to see, you know, have a second look at it
maybe. And yeah, I started researching it and started looking into it,
and um I went up there again in November. This time, I was
going in twenty and eighteen, I should say April two thou eighteen the first
time, November two thousand and eighteen the second time. And as I was
up there, I did my interviews. I had my questions and everything.
I managed to interview a number of the other people who I'll talk about later
David Williams and Margaret Pritchard this Linda's sister, and I learned about the christ
maul Woods or the christ Woods I think they call it. It's like saying
Christ what you say with a sort of like an e in this like christ
woods or something. Yea tongue twister anyway, But I learned about some trees
being knocked over from or cut down, just a couple of weeks after the
event, and I was like, well, when did that happen? Then?
And Margaret talking about that, any chance we can go up there and
have a look, because he says it's still like that, and now I
said, yeah, they they chopped down a really big chunk of it.
I'm trying to find a picture in the Book of the fun There is a
picture of it near somewhere. Yeah, so goes look at the end of
book, trying to point a picture of it too earth man, I don't
know. I thought, well, it's going to shop at this page one
fifty around there, page page fifty. Oh yeah. And when I little
gray out area there, Yeah, that's so big it isn't It's a bit
down here too, Yeah, diamond shape or like you know, good.
Yeah, it's quite a lot of area of woods, it looks. According
to them, this was done just about we'll call it a month six um,
just after the event. And I was just like, well, why
is it every time we gets some close sighting of the UFO type vehicle,
which obviously has anti gravity technology or some sort, if it gets close to
wooded landed areas, they always chop them down. It's not the first yea
as well? Yeah, Randall shopping happened a show, Phil, I think
it happened in the n Numb one of nineteen eighty seven. I think it
was, um yeah, the Gary Row one. You know, I'm a
swift Way um type of the European Roswell for that one, the European Roswell.
Yeah. I think the guy who did that was Alli Richard. I
think his name is a good good documentary. I like it. Um what
else was there? Yeah? There was. I think the same thing happened
with the Barwin Mountain as well. Um Pentok incident for sure, you know,
but that was like a but a year later. Actually, maybe we'll
talking about a Painstak incident. Because I said and here and when I asked
the forestry Commission or whoever's in charge of that area. I didn't get I
got an enter from the damn. I asked the Dembonishire Council. They said
they're not in charge of it. I said, try another, try another
land forestry commission or something that. I couldn't find nothing for them A lot.
Well, I couldn't find any contact email, you know, So I
thought, what's going on here? Who owns this freaking place? You know?
And then I think they gave me a name for someone and there was
no there. There's no deep else that that was coming up for when in
the search Google search, Um what else? So? I mean, but
they call it an ancient woodland in the in the email, it's in the
book anyway, I put that in there. I want to actually looked around.
I realized that's a protected area. Christ my woods, you know,
it's it's a protected area. So why would someone just go in there and
chop it down? If it's a beautiful place to walk around, it's a
very interesting woodland area and you're chopping it down? Makes sense? And then
and there's no reason given for any of that. It's not the whole are
They just chopped them all down? Some of them. We're probably taking away
with quite a good few with the must have left or along along the pavement
on the path you can walk in there. Yeah. Well they're using the
excuse for coppy scene because they use that excuse so that they can the street,
the tree strength and themselves. Yeah, it's a very used way to
go about because the corners and those trees, those trees were like big strong.
I think they were like oak trees, you know, yeah, you
know, very big um or is it the excuse so usually in the wood.
I mean, the only thing I can come up with is either there
were storm damage or maybe that craft had someone to do woul knocking some of
them trees over and they didn't want evidence. I cannot expect late to that
point. But it's just unusual why it keeps happening, Yeah, m hm
okay. I mean also you have the Pence Take incident, which you were
you've written a book about. Now there's been some updates on letters in there.
There's some going on. Yeah, some further incidents. The pen Talk
incident was tod you say, that's the greatest to cover up both and modern
and Kes Clark was involved on that as well. And you were on the
show for you a few months back now, um, but it's been some
later incidents, so yeah, sort of revelations, yes, since since we
lasted our updated presentation in June of twenty and twenty two in Newport. That
presentation is um on our YouTube page. Penter Incident. I would encourage people
to go look at that Dark Presentations two hours so I wasn't a bit.
It's a lot of good stuff in there. But afterwards, sometime afterwards,
we started getting witnesses. We were coming forward and some of them actually spoke
to us on camera, so you can see that they're a real name,
real face. Um. One of them was named Mark Morris said he saw
over the Smilock Woods area. Said he saw two red, two green orball
lights moving like this. If you imagine my fingers at the orb, so
I kind of they're moving like dark arching ringbowl kind of out like a shape
and they're sort of melding into one another like us. It looks like a
orb anymore. But yeah, and if this sort of like these putting these
beams and lights out of themselves, you know, like shining beams of lights
somewhere down the forest up in the sky. I can't crab its videos online
people to see with the text or I think the I still don't go around
to doing all the proper speech textings on it. But it's you can close
capturing it on the youtubes. You can see what he's saying. Yeah,
so you know he's going to those stick Welsh accents that some people who aren't
Welsh who might have trouble understanding. I guess they will say that. That's
what he said. And he heard the explodes and he phone on the police.
He said he saw two of these abbs on see smiled was a big
areaway. He was looking. I was at different areas of what this witness
next. The name is Jacob Coleman. He was driving around with his ex
girlfriend at the time. No obviously their ex girlfriend now, but there were
a couple of n and he said he got out of the car. He
could see a lot of low flying aircraft. But when he looked around a
certain area, when he stopped on a certain area, um he could see
I think he was looking from it from the east and he was and he
was, you know, looking up to the west side of the So he's
looking at and he's on the east side of the forest, you know,
looking that way, and he said he saw two Apache helicopters with face standing
off or facing off with some green object, bright greenish object, unusual,
never seen nothing like it. It was so bright and so powerfully lit.
And he was he just he was just waiting for something to happen. It
looked like web a blink first would would set off like but yeah, I
mean this green object with two Apaches. There were three out that night,
obvious. The other one was firing back to Cardiff or Land the Cardif at
that point because suffered cockpit failure with the generator on fire. So that's that
one. And then we got another one from smile Ug Woods. And I
couldn't tell you his name because I'm not allowed to do that right now.
He doesn't give us permission. But I was allowed to put up a we
could use his recording because he phoned Kas and gave up. He knew he
was being recorded because we told him CEO can wait. He said fine,
and Kas spoke with him and let him say, let's say his peace.
And yeah. He told us that he and a friend were camping in the
woods that night because they liked to be outdoors they led to to survival training
and stuff like that, and as they were sort of like settling down for
the night, just chilling out, they said they heard the little rumble something
coming and then there was like a explosion, a sound of some sort which
you know, reverberated through the ground. Also they went to go and take
a look to see what it might have actually had happened, because it certainly
got them very very interested. And they came to the area which we me
and kas are now called the impacts that you remember. Cars went up there
the very next the following you know, when the following sunrise and the day
after all the broken trees. That's exactly where these two were on the night
just after the explosion and when it's still dark, and they managed to creep
up to a side along the road, because where the road if I had
to try and do you imagine there's a road here, right, and there's
a patch of grass here with trees. There's a patches of trees here,
and there's a road that runs along that. Now they're hiding around here broken
tree areas up here, and they're looking up and they can see the military
with their trucks and they're three people in these white hazmat looking suits and they're
all gathered around some objects, some which has been covered by bramble bushes.
And it's some sort of like cup shaped bottle on the top. It's like,
can you imagine a Coca Cola bottle with the top part cut offs?
You stick at that sort of like slim sort of waistline body in the middle
there. That's how we described it. And it was just all covered in
brambles and tree and tree bushes and all that. And the interesting thing about
it is when he exposed himself, you know, it came out because he
thought, also, okay, it's just that, you know, they're just
they're just you know, probably gathering one of their own down vehicles or something
or whatever. You know. So as he stepped out in the clearing,
him in this round and napped thrown into a truck violently. Their phones are
taken off. They must have done something to them. They seemed to wipe
off all the passwords and you know, seemed to reset the settings on it
somehow. Yeah that's three settings or something. Yeah, yeah, something like
that. They did something to them any which made them which made them go
funny. And they were driven around two a bus stop now far away outside
of the wooded area, until not to go back. Excuse me, So,
um, they wait until sunrise I think, got into the woods,
got their car and get out of it. And they haven't spoken about it
since all this time. But then it's like since me and cars have made
this case more public and more aware, people are starting to realize hang on
now, hang on, that's that's that was that frigging night, you know.
And the interesting thing is with the three people I've mentioned, they were
one person with them in every single so it's like six witnesses there. Really
the three of three, two have gone public and one has at least given
us, um, given us a chance to say his words. You know.
It's like a three minute clip I put up all of it's on the
Penciga instant YouTube channels. It just typing Pentic incident and you'll find it.
Yeah, I forgot to mention as well. Um the Welsh government have admitted,
of course they have no information on the so called exercise. Um I
discovered through whether a good strange anomalies. You know, there was a temperature
drop of five degrees during the night when Ka said, this thing was appearing
in in the fields just an hour before the temperate started. Ripman dropped.
Sorry, and then you know, around the time this thing appeared, and
after a few minutes it starts to go back up another fort to five degree.
So that's all. Nowhere else does that happened except in the cardif area.
But the most interesting thing a cat of all from from the mold,
shall we say, the Defense Secretariat himself, which is I don't know,
it's the highest position, was one of the highest positions. He got back
to me from a freedom of information requests, and I said to him,
you know, were there any low flying training exercises or any sort of flying
exercise with the South Wales area February twenty sixteen, because that's what they're calling
it, an exercise chameleon, despite the fact I can't find any information online
about it or in their own records. He got back to me, he
said this, No, there were no low flying training exercise or low flying
saw the exercises of any kind for South Wales for the entire February of twenty
sixteen. So okay, then you've just said there were no exercises, So
why did you have all those vehicles, all those helicopters, all those planes
and possibly jets also, as well as people on the ground, military person
on the hundreds at least waking people up throughout the entire night find low.
But she's not supposed to do because cass Clarke did a very very brilliant piece
of work on this. She really went into the rules and regulations of low
flying exercises, and they must have violate everyone she's listed. They must have
violated and broke. It wasn't an exercise. They've just said it themselves.
So what were they doing here? I'm gonna joy I know she was very
annoyed about it. Well, I think a lot of people were annoying away
because I kept their babies up um with livestock. People were arrested for no
reason. You know. Some other people have obviously witnessed simming and then they're
they're denying or existence a bit. So Yeah, I mean people pen to
actually getping arms about this whole south. Yeah. Did he tell you,
I think further about it? Did he come back with the you know,
with because of your upset or think well the person that was in the forest,
Yeah, No, the one you got in touch with the Freedom of
Information request when you can when you're asked about what was going on. I
haven't really followed that one up, but I mean that's not a bad idea.
They play the troubles. We've done so many. Oh yeah. We
finally got the police to admit also that they had no training. They were
there was no excell So why were the roads by the bean block? But
the police and the police have said they never had any The police said they
have no information on it. People involved in the exercise of since retired.
If you have no information or how did you know the people who were involved?
That was from a previous couple of Yeah. The interesting thing about this
one is when I got the Information Commission's officer involved, right, which is
like the authority of the FOIS. It's interestedn't it. Um. We wrote
to them and I went through this very what's the word you know, there's
a word for you know, in some tedious process of you know, click
on this, click on that, send this off, send that off.
You know, it's like I might have just signed my life away. Yeah,
just for an answer on the question simple question for crying alone anyway,
send it all off to the the ICO say in the softworest place, we're
not confirming whether or not there was an exercise. They were doing a military
exercise. I think it was like a terrorist or exercise. It's funny in
it because Kas made a good point on this that. I mean, they
talk about it in the newspapers a lot, all the other ones they've done.
Why is this one any different if that's what you were doing. I
mean you you announced you did one on June, in June twenty eighth of
that year. You even put flyers out in the in the shops for it.
Yeah, when it comes to this one, you're so secrety of us,
so you know, avoiding the question. But I think one of the
interesting reply, the most interesting thing about the reply I took from it once
the ICO got involved, is um, they actually contacted the counter terrorism you
did, the Welsh counter terrorist extremist, you know, something like that,
and they had they had no information or anything regarding an exercise for the twenty
six of February twenty and sixteen, which is kind of strange because when the
Royal Mentor asked about this since two eighteen, they said what was going on
was something to do with the Welsh counter Terrorism Unit. So everyone's lying to
me. It's a cover up that's being uncovered and we've done an excellent job
on that, meaning cars. I don't know. Of course he's gone through
the polygraphs and like detectors and all that and all the radiations or something.
You know, who's that David? Oh No, I know there's a lot
of detail in the books and but I'll just wonder there's something further on since
you've written that, so you might have to actually update that book a little
bit later. I don't know what I mean, you know, it's something
to me. We can discuss it, me and cars, but I mean
I think we should rights, I think we could, but it's you know,
it's fine in time and whether or not what was see what happens.
Yeah, it's yeah, it's fastly that you done the list. I mean
a few people have askeds to do it. Anyway, quite a few people
ask what his book number two? And yeah, so that's so that's too,
quite controversial UFO events that you're really involved with today. Still still now,
what do you think about the whistle whistle blow reports coming out of the
Do you think there's anything in them that David Grolsche. Yeah, well,
as far as I know, he's handed in um documents to the Pentagon or
my committee or something to be investigated, so that might be something interesting.
I haven't really looked into his background all that much, miss Up. I
mean, the thing is, none of us have ever heard of him before.
I know, I think, this is, this is, this is,
this is, this is what's what's bugging me. It's um, we're
getting this. We're sort of like making some good strides and disclosure on this
subject. But it's like, if it's going to be disclosure, it's like
they're trying to control the narrative of it once again. I mean, look,
you know, I mean the UAPs from the Nimbus story. It's a
very interesting and that's obviously real, right, Obviously the people involved in it
real. But it's like the people who are coming out and speaking as the
experts of it, like the Corbell guy, that Lewis Alazando guy. I'm
not saying they're not real, and you know they are definitely people we should
not we should be listening to them. The point is, where have they
been all this time? Because you and I have been looking into this subject
for well over twenty years, and I was just about every big name there
is, even Nick Poples, not a He's not even never involved in anything
in the Emerald. He was just a game side of the desk, you
know. He's like, we know his name at least anyway, you know
what I mean. Yeah, but where have all these other people come from?
Who's this other guy all of a sudden? Yeah, it's just what
makes me. And you know, he's kind of telling you all the things
you want to hear, and that I'm very skeptical of him. I mean,
I don't know why other people might think, but I'm very skeptical.
Yeah, I am too. I mean, you know, I know that
they bring things out in the news when they're trying to distract you from other
things. And I'm just wondering if we've will been waiting for the big Avian
invasion lately, which which might be the new Yeah, the new big story.
So maybe this is a little bit of a bubble up to that boy.
Boy. You know, I don't know to take I want him to
be realized. I love him, of course, we'll do genuine and you
know, well done, you know, if he's true, like you know,
but unfortunately. You know, experience has taught me to be very,
very weird. Yeah, I mean, this is one of those stories that
I'll think I'll publil for a week or so. I didn't just disappearing more.
I mean, where's the press coverage on Stephen Greers one? I mean,
some of the guys he had at that one were interesting. Everything to
the first two I can't remember what the other guy said clearly, but the
other one he was a very recent two thousand and nine. Apparently this this
took place in some the you know, the Far Eastern areas, not the
Middle East. I'm like, you know, China, Japan, Indonesia area,
Yeah, the four East, so far um anyway over there. And
he said, I don't know what how he ended up in this place.
I think he was with his with his unit and they were asked to do
a hot LZ into some place there. And I came across a group of
mercenaries who seemed to be American based upon their accents, all dressed in black
camokie and no insignia, so they were clearly marks. But they had some
very heat fancy guns and a clippment obviously well funded. But there was this
like disc shaped object with this sort of like sort like the curve, you
know, so like the flat sided edges, you know, like a hexagonal
shape with the flat edges on each side. And apparently he was discovering that
they weren't just using them to transport drugs, they were using them to transport
children trafficked them. Yeah, the uf they're using anti gravity technology that they've
developed. The traffic children away and I don't know what happened. They were
forced to surrender their weapons or put them down, and they were removed from
the area at later point. But he got a chance to see this thing
takeoff, and he went off like four thousand miles an hour in an instant,
And I thought, why is no one talking about that? Why is
no one given Stephen Greer, Why is all this stuff? Why is this
David guy coming out now speaking to ROSSCOO thought, ze, yeah, um,
when when Stephen gree is major things happen. Even NASA at least had
a four hour five hour thing recently where they were talking about the science behind
the UFO, and I only had a chance to go through it briefly,
but the gist of it is is that they didn't really talk about any UFO
cases. They just so they've got to take these things more seriously. We
know you're taking them more seriously. We've actually had whistleblowers from Stephen gree I
tell us that they've discovered for your own ploographs the bases were on the moon,
and you're actually what whitewashing or airbrushing out UFOs before you released at the
pictures you give us to the public. Yeah, oh no, that's so's
fascinating yourself. What you mentioned there are about the bases on the moon.
That's sectually. I wonder if what we go back to the moon soon,
Well, were talking about going back to the moon, what are we gonna
do there? Or we're going to try and cover things up again? I
don't know, they probably put it. If that's the case, they'll probably
pick an area where there's nothing of any interest, just as shore, they
can put a person on there. Again. I mean, I just find
it amazing. You know, the excuses they have given. All of that
is less. I mean, let me get a shot. You did this
well six seven times in slate sixties early seventies with that technology. Oh the
reason we haven't been baggers because all the people involved in the program retired always
lost every single piece of notes in developments and designed as well. So what
you lost everything, every single thing? Yeah? Yeah, I do kind
of understand that because I mean I actually worked in that kind of industry and
I do know how things kind of. People leave, drawings get put away,
the technology kind of changes, and the people that are coming along don't
quite understand the older technology they've broughtly on new technology. And if you're not
studying for a particular subject to do a particular thing, not going through the
movers, you could actually get to a point where that technology that was used
to go to the moment it's been put aside, and so you're going to
need an entire new technology. But when you do it next time, if
you see what I'm saying, so I think, yeah, you're seeing.
But I mean there is such a thing as research and development, you know
what I mean? Yeah, shouldn't it shouldn't it shouldn't take you fifty years
to come up with another design to do this again. I mean I can
only use it from my own points of view. I was working on the
I C one thirties, right, and I got to a point where I
was the only person that knew the the electronics and the tech and the mechanical
side of what I was doing. I was the only person right, and
which was crazy what you're saying, Yeah, it simply sends a good point
actually, And so I I mean at the point I know when I was
working on this project, had I left the company, which I did threaten
to do, you know, you don't to get a rise, I said,
I'm fed up, I'm going to go. I've got a rice for
it. But so, wo had I left the company would have been right
up the creek with it, because so they didn't know, they didn't have
anyone else that knew the ins and outs of what I do. You know,
so I do kind of understand a bit about the Apollo thing. Okay,
well that's a fair point. Something that they could have done by now
I was landing a rover on the moon. Yeah, well you can send
one to Mars. They haven't even send us live feed when you're dropping the
parachute on the thing, So why can't you do that. For the moment
I thought I thought they had done, maybe they do. You know.
The funny thing this maybe they happened. I haven't seen anything on it.
I mean, we send arbiters and we've crashed a few things into the seem
to know the around there. Yeah, yeah, I think I could presume
they why they haven't done that is because because of the trips they did there
in the like sixties, early seventies, and they probably finally they've got enough
moon rocks and I know what the layouts are like, so they don't need
to put rovers on there. You know, there could be that argument.
Um. Something I was learning something I learned from the presentation that I was
doing just after me h k the guys now, but he was talking about
the Moon, and one of his slides, I actually mentioned something very interesting
that there were metals found and materials and stuff founding the moon rocks that are
not found on it. M and some of these some of these things that
you would find would normally be done in high pressure vacuum chambers and processed in
a way that would require some very high skilled technicians to do it. So
it's like, that's very interesting. Why why would this moon not have materials
found on Earth? If this thing was supposedly made of the Earth and in
a spirit millions and millions of years of course that makes me very That makes
it very curious. It's very interesting, I must I mean there is there's
some people to think that the moon's a fight object to anywhere. It was
produced by somebody. I think that supposed to blow. I don't know.
I mean, this guy went through a whole bunch of numbers about the size,
shape distance for the moon. I mean the ones I remember, the
ones like the moon is four hundred times smaller than the sun it's diameter,
but yet the Sun is four hundred times distance the distance from the moon the
moon is from us, so that the Sun is like four hundred times greater
away from us than the moon is. But yet the moon is four hundred
times smaller than the sun. Which is why you get that that the solar
eclipse happening. Uh, you know just what which is what makes it possible?
You know, because you know, if there's any bigger or small,
it wouldn't happen. Four hundred times waterfall was also But you know when you
when you multiply a diameter by four at a times, imagine you come up
with a pretty sizeable number. Yeah. Probably, Yeah, But there's all
kinds of other numbers you mentioned as well. I whish I remembered some of
them, but something to do with the amount of days in a cycle and
how you know, there was all these really great numbers. I mean it
sounds more artificial and yeah, I know there's some real questions to be answered
about that, and it would seem a little bit too um unexplainable really,
yeah, I mean it's um. It often has been said the moon was
was not there at one point and then it appeared, you know, And
according to some of the most ancient ancient scripts and writings, even from like
fifty thousand years ago, it was said that one minute there was no moon
and then and then all of a sudden the satellite appeared just to just appeared
there overnight, like it was told there you know. Um. I think
the guy for that one was an Irish Fraller, some really interesting work,
Mike Tassarian r I omn, but yeah, very interesting Feller. Um.
A lot of these like very long details presentations, like nine hours long,
so you can. Yeah, I like watching it because you get a real
education. I don't know I find time to do it. There's so many
things going around all the time whatever, But yeah, it's all very fascinated.
I've got to say that should be very sort of interesting when I go
back to the Moon if I'm still around. Hopefully they'll still be around when
they go back. Um, following on, what are you going to be
doing this year? You're gonna be going to any events? You know,
the over them event and the awaiting Maybe well I'd like to make one or
two of them, but I have to wait to see it because at the
minute, I'm going on holiday now on Friday for two weeks and then want
to come back. I'll have to see what I can do. So you'll
be going on holiday as this show goes out on next Monday. So yeah,
so as you're listening to just today, Gary's got on holiday, So
where you're going, Yeah, I mean, don't be promoting this a bit
more? Yeah, can I see a few more things about this? Because
absolutely, yeah, I'm really covered. I mean, I mean yeah,
Well, after the sighting, I mean never explained that he went on for
about fifteen minutes and they got about nine minutes of video recording and as the
light went out. The best thing about the video that was said anyway,
it's like Alex, you can hear him. He's like this, Oh,
don't stop now. He was so gutted when it went out. You know,
it's like, why would you care if they were just random lights that
you see every day. Anyway, the next couple of days, I think,
um, they were trying to find out from someone if they could get
some help, maybe somebody could, maybe someone could come along and do some
work for them, like you know, someone who knows about these things.
That's where Peter Glenn comes at some point. And a few days or a
week or so after about that, I'm not exactly sure, but it was
just not long after the event and you went to visit the family saw the
video, and he was convinced by it quite quite quite quickly. You know
that this is definitely something that needs to be looked at. So he interviewed
the family, got a lot of questions and good information. He went to
the window to have a look at the site from where it was seen,
did like a day night overlap of the area of the lights to try and
figure out roughly where this thing was. Then he went up to the farmland
area with some friends how to look around and videotape because you know, you're
thinking, I said, people activity are you are you looking at people on
bike squads, tortures, that kind of thing. You know, these lights
don't look like that. You got to rule it out, an't you.
Yeah, he looked around. There was no tracks. It was like some
tractor, old tractor tracks there, you know, but nothing that would just
describe something going round and around a circle or anything like that. There's no
signs of human activity there of any kind. And it's not like there were
tons of foots or a good gathering of them, or any signs like somebody
was smoking or throwing away drink cartons or packets or anything. There was just
nothing there. So I think at some point the police were called just before
he got involved. The police said that it was ramblers, but they also
confirmed or lampers I should say, sorry, which means that's illegal. Apparently,
so the police didn't involve, didn't bother looking into that, you know,
this illegal activity. They were just happy that they was lampers. I
guess they were looking for any excuse. And afterwards, yeah, I mean
he started to really really get some he started to really get some good information
and once he was all done, he put together, you know, a
good hours worth of video footage and he posted it online edited with the video
footage and a few whether you know, a little analysis that he done,
and it was an it's good comprehensive piece of video. Imagine all that you
okay, okay, okay, yeah, if you starting me out, she's
just what's it get ye oh yeah, she's a she's a showboater. I
think this one um anyway, So later on what happens is this is um
an artist a DJ music I can't I know his name is scrill X anyway,
So he's a musician, a musician, and I think's then DJing and
some videos and stuff rock rock music as well. Anyway, he's very well
known. He put this up on his page because I think one of his
album was looking at the UFOs and all that's cut this album cover. I
think you're just looking at this because, you know, to promote it a
bit more. Oh, the views on the video went through the roof,
you know what I mean. He went from a couple of hundred or thousand
up to like three hundred thousand in no time, like hundred thousand or something.
So yeah, that really got it. Then I think the local media
picked it up for a while, but no real mainstream journalists picked it up,
not even to put it on a you know, whether or not they
wanted to put it on the news. I think there was an interest from
a TV company from America, but they just finished with their show, so
they didn't know if they could come back anytime soon to do another one.
So after a couple of months, maybe two or three months, the case
kind of went silent, and it was just it was just, you know,
it was talked about on you know, for that year. It was
talked about for the year, you know, on local, the UFOs NO
site, some of the best sit ins the twenty twelve. But after that,
I mean, it just went quiet. And I was like, you
know, all this time, the video of evidence has been there, and
it's like no one's ball to look into it. So I was I was
shocked about that, and I said as soon as I soon I saw it
because I've had my own site thing when I was seven. I'm not it
wasn't similar, but it was a lot of similarities. When I was when
I saw an oval shaped object at night, um, I described it like
you know when the sun's gone down and you can see the dark coming through
one area beach still in the daylight leaving as well, said another daylight's just
finally starting to go in one commint on the other side of the other side
of the sky, it was really dark now the stars are all coming out
as well. But there it was, you know, this friend point.
So what's that? We all looked up there and area was this oval shaped
object hovering silently. It looked like it was floating on water, calmly the
way it was sort of moving a bit. What's it? A white like
gary? Um? No, this one had a sort of red yellow orange
een. They when they sort of like at some point you could see them,
they were going redish yellowish orange, but blending into each other like this.
Yeah, very much like what I saw back in sixty seven. There's
like an oval orange I called it oval orange objects. But it was all
like different shades of orange, completely solident, guying across the sky. So
it sounds very simil through what your colors are describing. Yeah, well,
like I said, sort and I used to watch the night Rider show.
The kid had that red light that went backards and forwards like she has,
you know, the red light went there was like you know, it was
sort of like dim away, you know, from you know, darker night.
It was. It was moving like that, you know, but it
was like a lava lamp as well. It was like lava flow. It
was yeah, yeah, yeah, that's cord of the description or would give
you the lava flow. You're getting a law by them. Yeah, I'm
glad someone seen the same something similar at least. It's just there's a there's
a hell of a lot of tongue difference there from one years sixty seven,
so you see what you was at two eighty nine would have been Yeah,
so we're talking about a good twenty yeard years difference. So yeah, it
would have been around August of nineteen eighty nine because the school holidays definitely would
have been because I was staying out after dark and my parents would only let
me out. We'll stay out in the street where I lived after darkness summer
time, and I was I'm just starting in the street. You can stay
out there, you know. But yeah, yeah, I remember those days,
So yeah I did. The reason I didn't you've sort of gone back
onto the subject sort of then, be like, I didn't know how much
you wanted. They'll tell us about it. I didn't want yeah, because
I didn't want you to sort of give too much away because you'd rather people
part of the book. Anyway. Well, no, that's but I mean
once, uh, once I had to look at the video. I mean,
like I said, I did all that research, all the background stuff,
learned so much about it, and then, um, I just I
made a documentary. I think it was about an hour and fifteen minutes long.
I put it up on my page. It's about it's about an hour,
hour and fifteen minutes. Right, look at every possible conceivable thing I
can think of, interview all the witnesses, and this is where um oh
yeah, this is with David. This is where Peter got some very good
video and our enhancement images from David Williams. It was like the next door
neighbor, next door neighbor of um, can we've got care trouble again?
Oh, she's she's she's trying to get my attention. Now. She says
she's gonna pestime. She called it up his leg. She's opening and closing
the door like you have to wait, I'm sorry. She she's she's had
quite a few pouchers today, but just some cats. Anyway, um strolled
away. She's a very good and shep thirteen, you know, probably probably
waiting size for a carriage. But she testime at times. She never goes
angry. She just she just knows if she she she's packaged. She can
come and teach, she can come and annoy me. She's one of those
caps pails or controlling her in the food. Oh yeah, she's working for
him. I six this one anyway, Um, the last thing I would
suspect. Anyway, David took a frame of the video, enhanced it and
really brought out some detail in it, and even with the black and white
image, didn't hear, Um, you'll find the book somewhere around you.
He basically, I mean you can see it on the video there, I
said, a screenshot of Peter Glenn's video where Gary's holding a picture up of
picture queens. Get this is this is how it looks when you look at
well, yeah, you can see it there. You can see the outline
of it maybe as well the camera there. Yeah, yeah, well I
just thought they were just talking about it. So you can see small legs,
big lags, the red one on top. That's one here that's reflecting.
That's actually his camera like reflecting off the screen. Yeah, this is
the rest of the image here, you know, so everything else is from
the actual screenshot itself. And yeah, old disc shaped object like slashing clearly
an oval shape to the top of it. Anyway, and I asked him
for an interview, and I said, can you tell me then how you
managed to bring that image out, because I would have tried myself to enhance
detail or whatever, but and he said, well, I just had a
software on my iPad. I just took a screen shot, zoomed in,
took another screenshots and it seems to bring out the detail much better. Whatever.
I don't even know what the software was on his iPad or whatever it
was, it did a hell of a job. I think he must have
just grabbed the perfect screenshot as well, where just at that point where everything's
liking it because you can see there are four big bright lights that are liking
up allowed him to capture the surface area of it as well. What's interesting
is um I used that and I then had David sorry, I'm Jason Gleaves.
Yeah, yeah, Jason, I asked somebody analyze it for me,
and yeah, he did did a really good job on it and confirmed it
as a unexplained sighting. There's just no way this can be anything else.
Yeah, and you know that that little colored image you see on the top
there. Um, when he sort of like combined some frames together and it's
like I don't know, like a composite of some sort of thing. I
don't know exactly the technique he used, but when he did it, this
is kind of where he come up with. Obviously it's the moment. It's
a little bit more colorful on here for the purposes of design for the cover
of the book, which I'll put a picture of that on the on the
page over the mestage page. So now I'll tell you all that. Um,
it's just amazing. Um. You know, it's like that's more or
less how the family saw it, you know, but you've got with the
more color there. But that's the colors he could see when you when you
use various image capturing techniques. Well, I found a benefit of our listeners,
I mean enjoys some gloves. He's actually a digital um um, but
research or I guess he researches adgital pictures and they actually overlays them with different
filters to filter out exactly what it is he's looking at, and they'll come
up with the reply with an answer so whether oh, yes, okay,
this is where all this looks fake or something like that, and he can
do that digitally. He's very good at He's had a couple of books out
himself with the same things. Yeah, I wanted two of them. It's
difficult to try and explain on the lock of radio, but the pictures,
if I had to explain it, it's just he takes videos and photographs and
does analysis and he uses various filters, frame and other software to enhance increased
visually, you know, the the clarity of the image, and he just
tries to bring out certain shades and take out just to show it's a it's
a solid object and it's not something that's been um often fraudulately produced, isn't
it. Sometimes you can sell from that sort of Yeah, But so yeah,
I mean, and he's definitely someone that I very much appreciate for doing
all that. Because after the analysis came out, the Mirror put out the
story on their website that UFO expert declares puttage as genuine. So you know,
they did a little something on that and sometime later, Um, Mick
West of Meta Bunk. I'm sure you know him, and I've a said,
you know, I haven't got anything wrong with Mick West. You know,
on times he has actually exposed a lot of fraudsters, so he's done
good work that way, But it seems to be his default mode is always
debunk and it's like, even when something genuine comes along, you still debunk
with the debunking argument. And he's although I'll give him credit for this,
you know, you know he called it aliens on golf carts for his like
jokey video, and I'm just like, no, come on now there,
you know, I mean, what you're saying is that it's someone on a
vehicle driving around up there. I said, look, I've been to that
area. I've looked. I've done an analysis on the video itself, using
Google Earth as a means to measure the tool and everything. The family will
tell me that this object was much closer to them than up in the golf
course here, which is like a as you can see, it's I think
it's like over a mile as the bird. As the bird flies like in
a straight line. I said, this thing was much closer. Now if
you when I when I look at the day and night time comparisons, I
can see where the leading edge of one light is and with the leading edge
of the lighter is, because it seems not moving left the right and it's
staying where it is, but it's rotating with those flashing weird lights. And
if I just take the leading edge then leading nige from the point where I
know they've viewed it, and send the line out and see how far it
goes and where they think it is. Because I asked him in my interviews,
how big do you think this thing was? Yeah, I'm got asked
them some around sixty seventy feet, So this would put it just where Linda
pretty said it was just over just over the houses in the back, or
just a bit further behind. But there's a school there where she's standing where
she is in the book. Point now it was, but it's a field
called Kai how well, it's like an open field there for playing and you
know, running around. But beyond the back of that there's the farm and
the road and the school and everything. It's somewhere around there, And this
puts it from from that distance where the leading lights are. Google's imagery measuring
imagery puts it it around twenty twenty six meters, so that makes it around
seventy odd feet. So we're in the ballpark here. And what's interesting is
Peter, when he was doing his own work, um, he was walking
along scenario. I think he just wanted to take a look that. I
think he said something there was some cave system. There's some old cave system,
some mystical cave system that I've been told as well, not by Peter
but other people, you know. But there is a cave system there somewhere,
so that's interesting, you know, that could be. And it's right
near this ancient woodland which had led to treat chopped down, which is a
protected site, so you know. And I should point out about about a
week a month after this one, this this site thing, just a month
after, there was a story in the local media up there, someone named
Graham Evans. I put the story in the book. I didn't put the
picture in the book because I thought the show if I could use it,
but it's in the presentation anyway. I took. I took the video that
the screenshot of his photo comes from online image, you know, so I
wasn't sure if I could use it, you know, I don't want any
copyright is shoes, but you know you can clearly seen this photographing in the
headline of the thing. About a month after first of February two thousand twelve
daytime, he's got about three images of this some disc saved object over the
Denby Castle. But the Denby Castle is not that far away. You can
see it from the bedroom window of their home, and you can see it
from up from the woods area. There's this this object right there over the
casts are clearly a dis object shaped thing, which I thought was very very
very unusual, and got reporting on the February eighth, two thousand twelve.
And it's been my experience through all this research that I've done on other cases
as well, I'm reading about other people's cases. Do you have a major
sighting like that where you know something's come close to people on the ground state
visible for a while. Then it's clear this thing is going to be in
the area for a while too, and there could be a chance for other
people to see it. So that kind of makes sense to me. Yeah,
yeah, sure it does. Well, I'm glad we've got this show.
So weird we've seem we've got through it without any sort of interference stort
the sales, right, so so, so, have you got any how
can people get in touch with you? How can people see you all videos?
Have you got a web You've got website? Addrestle, I should get
it well placed. So once on rumbull, it seems about the about the
videos because YouTube keep shutting. I don't know why they keep shutting it down,
dude. Okay, Well I've had channels before, you know, trying
to blow stuff, but they always end up with some restriction on it or
something. You know. Really, I've had videos put on Facebook. Uh.
I did have a YouTube channel I got taken off me. I had
one on Daily Emotion, I got taken off thing, go one on them?
You know that got taken off me. That's weird. Just years before
I started really posting on no, I was making UFO stuff at the time.
Why must they said? They started doing around two thousand and seventeen thousand
eight and they started losing those channels. I tried to open a new one
since, but it's point and even when I post UFO stuff, it gets
taken down. So um, there's tons of stuff out there is why what
because you know, you don't know. I guess maybe certain people that they're
just looking at um it's probably maybe they don't even care anymore, but they
probably left it on some you know do not allow this, you know what
I mean, just automatically kid takes me off. Uh but yeah, I
had one on a bit shoot as well, but uploads and that one just
don't work. Tried so many times. Um, So I went over to
Rumble and so far that one's been good to me. It's been kind.
So I'm on Rumball. My name's it's under Gary Jones seven because I wanted
but just my name Gary Jones, Gary Jones seven or a R I that's
that's important. Yea, yeah, because I don't people think I stole my
name of the why but I started with an I don't ask me why because
I don't know why. But I know it's a good it's it's a good,
little good, little little rhyme. Um. But yeah, Gary Jones
seven, you know, just searched around Google and typing rumble after my name
Gary Jones seven, Rumble and hopefully happening the channel or just type in the
denby lights you have as well obviously, I'll send you links to all this
stuff with the book m as I said that if you're the Paranormal Dimensions page
on Facebook, if you come to that page, if you haven't done already
anyone listings this show, I'll put as many links as I can to Garry.
Otherwise, I'm on Facebook under this name, and then there's Gary Jones,
which is gay or Jones on Facebook is which you can find. You
can probably follow you on my face list as well if you're lucky. But
anyway, Gary, it's been great. Everyone enjoy your holiday when you have
tomorrow Friday. Friday, yes right, yeah, well we fight a fight
too, well just after two o'clock. Yeah, we'll enjoy yourself. And
as this show goes out, you'll be on holiday. As I said,
so so you left to check to while you're away, you have a look,
you'll see, Yeah, there's then there'll then be lights the truthful argument
for the existence of UFOs, which I'll put a obviously a picture of the
book on the US site as well. Anyway, Gay, I'll let you
go. Thank you very much for coming, and it's great to talk to
you again, and I hope to see you sud we've been. Yeah,
hopefully I might try and make one one of the August ones, but I
have to see what I can do. Yeah, all right, mate,
take care of yourself and as I say, have a good good time.
All right, perhaps your cover take care. Cheers Bob Boy and it was
Gary Jones. Thank you, Gary. We're done right. My next show
will be on Monday July tenth, and it's going to be Dave Hunt and
Phil Graham two guests. They were once in a band called Cosmosis and I
had some very strange experiences and still do apparently today. I've actually spoken at
length with both of them and their story is absolutely fascinated. So we should
be looking forward to that one. So that's Monday, July tenth. So
if you would like to get in touch with me anytime, my email address,
as always is David Young two q N at yahoo dot co dot uk.
That's David Young too, q N at Yahoo dot co dot uk.
I'm off to call more for a week in between now and the next show,
so I shall speak to you on do your Law of tenth. So
until the next time, enjoy the summer and I'll speak to you soon.
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