Going on. Clippers fans, Welcome to season two, episode two of Clips
and Dip. I am Chuck Mockler, one third of the usual hosting triumphate
here. Usually it's myself, Adam Oslin, and Will up Like. They
are out of town, unavoidably detained. They're in Norcaw, they're in upstate
New York. It's very interesting vibes over here at Clips and Dip. But
today we are joined by a show favorite, Carl Tart. Carl, how
the hell are you? Lifelong Clippers fan? What's going on? How's your
off season? All season has been, to be honest, to put it
honestly, it's been a frustrating miss you know what I mean. It's been
a like I mean just sure. It just feels like, you know,
every time every time I listen to something about us that is not y'all's show,
like it's said, that's not a Clipper based pot you know, yeah,
it is just nothing is good about it. What they say about our
team, they and they do the say where they go. I'm I'm sick.
Oft Like like Zach low will be like, I'm done talk about them.
I'm done talking about the Clippers. It's like why give every team from
Love man. He did. He did do that to other a couple of
other teams too, though, But like I'm like you guys, ever talked
about us before? And now that Yeah, when you talked about us before,
it was all negative. You wait till we fail to talk about us,
and then when you you you pick us to win the whole thing in
the beginning, and then which is a bad idea? Yes, you know
at this point if you're in sports media, is a bad idea. And
then when we don't do that, you go, I know, I should
have known a thing. They sucked. I hate him so much. I
have to tell you the story of talking to uh buddy j ellis from you
know, everybody knows him as Lawrence from Insecure or from the new Nissan commercials,
and of course he is a uh, one of those fans that you
know, not from here at all, but as chosen to allege himself to
the Lakers. Okay and the Hardest Road. Yeah, that's what That's what
celebrities do. And we were all set at History of the World Part two.
He's playing Jesus in this show and I'm playing, uh, what was
my Lazarus? Okay? And he looks at me and he goes, hey,
man, the Clippers are trash. And I go, what's that for?
J Ellis to me, why are you saying that to me right now?
What? What what is that for? Like y'all just man, it
can't stay healthy. And I goes, j Ellis, the Lakers haven't beat
us in like ten years, Like what are you talking about? Like they
beat us a few time, what are you talking about? They're not good
either, Why do you have to say that to me? Like we're a
better team, we're better work especially, like what are we doing here?
We're not even having beers? And it was just like these people just like
I just want to know why they hate us so much? But like it
is and then they go nobody thinks about y'all, Goles. I think they
think about it. You just came up to being talked about them. You
just came up into my face, so you were thinking about yeah, exactly.
But this has been frustrating. I can't quit them. Sure, as
much as I want to, I want to quit this job so much.
I come home every day covered in dirt and mud and good boots off.
I take my boots off. I put him by the door. My wife's
burnt the dinner. Sure seeing another man? Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
I look in the corner and I see another pair of shoes that I
know ain't mine, and just yeah, I just sigh and whose Yeah.
My son don't respect me and he's taller than me. Now sure, I'll
tell him to take out the trash, and he goes, you take out
the trash. This is the life I live as a Clipper fan. Yes,
that is. I think that's a pretty fair assessment of this offseason.
We're gonna talk to James Harden stuff and some Kyrie Irving stuff. We've got
some great mail back questions to get to. But these James Harden rumors,
we've all seen the phrase a million times. He wants to come home and
play for the Clippers because he opted in to his contract. And before we
kind of talk about just how we feel about Harden on the clips. For
those not aware, we cannot stand James Harden. If we signed him,
he will come here, he will play for one season and then be a
free agent. So whoever acquires him so one year deal. He's unrestricted after
this year, so anyone can offer anything. I think we might have his
bird rights, but I'm not a hundred percent sure. Brian Winhorse thought the
Clippers waved Gordon to make it easier to do an extended trade situation, but
then he just opted into his contract like eighteen hours later, so that was
moot. I don't know, how are you feeling? How do you feel
about James Harden on the Clippers? And it would be a big three scenario
as well too. Everyone who thinks like we're gonna swap PG for James Harden,
that's not gonna happen. How would you feel about the big three of
Harden, Kauhi in Paul George two and a half people. I was listening
to Nate Duncan and they were talking about it last night and they were just
saying that this will, this will be the most clippery thing to do.
And I'm like, what does that mean? Is it a bad deal?
Because when I look at it honestly, and please educate me, I don't
claim to be basketball expert. I'm just a fan. I'm an armchair quarterback.
Uh please, I'm an armchair point guard. Sure. I'm like,
please tell me what is wrong with adding this guy? When I look at
the potential starting lineup of Russell Westbrook, James Harden, Kawhi Leonard, Paul
George and whoever we have in the middle, because Zoo's up for anyway,
Zoo's up. Zoos we'll talk about that too, but Zoo is up.
So even if if it's Zoo, if it's plumbly, if we go back
and get Hardenstein back, if it's him, like, if it's like,
if it's anybody, you know, I want das read that was my guy.
But if it's like, that's a dope ass starting lineup, right,
Yeah, I like that. The issue for me is what are we sending
out right? That's what's so dependent on this. Kevin O'Connor suggested a trade
package that I thought was kind of insane, but the Clippers would get James
Harden and PJ. Tucker in exchange for Terrence Man, Norm Powell, Robert
coming to Nick Patum the twenty twenty eight first and the twenty thirty first round
pick, which to me, that is absolutely insane. We're keeping Marcus Morris
and we're giving up two first round picks for a guy who might resign with
us. Yeah, yeah, I don't want that. See, I didn't
even hear about that one. The one that I heard about was a more
favorable one, sure, which was James and Toby for Norm Mooke Roco Betune
in the twenty twenty eight first round. I would probably a lot, but
I would do that. I would do that if we're getting Toby, Yes,
absolutely, I'm not adding two first round picks in the trade involving we're
petting and if we could sign in the trade, you know, if we
could sign hard and long term, that's another discussion with the age and everything.
But we lose all those can we lose all those guys to get PJ
old A's PJ Tucking had hardenes us, Oh, I'm gonna go across the
Halton Lakers. Yeah, yeah, because you know that's who he wants to
play for. Of course, that's it's so frustrating. Um So, if
this trade, like in zoobox, is apparently available in trade talks now,
um with some people thinking that plumb Lee would be a fine starting center in
his place, I'm not sure I totally agree with that. Um So,
basically everyone but two, one, three, Terrence and Bones seems to be
available from the Clippers, So there might be a huge shakeup. I agree
with with plumb Dog being a starting center. If we have all those other
guys, you know what I mean, if we have James, we have
James Harden and PJ Tucker, I agree with Honestly, that could be the
starting five. Like if you're starting PJ Tucker. Yeah, like we go
small. I mean, I know that it doesn't sound like beautiful basketball,
but like we can run if all those guys are healthy, we could We
could really run shit up with that. And we're keeping Terrence and bones theoretically,
I'm not sure I totally trust that. Like, do you actually think
the front office is like work? They don't even play Terrence Man that much.
Yeah, but I like and and I keep hearing that like Brandon Boston
and Jason Preston will both have bigger roles next season. I know you hate
Jason Preston with the passion in five of a thousand, So I don't hate
him that much. I think he's I do think he's green, but I
do think that he's got a you can mold him. I think Tyler is
a perfect person to mold him into an NBA caliber point guard. Okay,
so he played one hundred and twenty four minutes last year for the Clippers.
If he plays over one hundred and twenty four minutes, I will agree that
he had a bigger role. But the man is not an NBA player right
now. Uh. I mean he's proven that he is. He can score
the basketball at the NBA level. I think, Uh, he's not great.
Yeah, he's not. He's not. He's bad. So he's a
backup point guard. You would have Jason Press. No, I would say
he's I would say he's at three. So who's two? Shit? Bon
Thyland all right, I'm fine about that. That's good. I don't know
about Jake. I mean, Brandon Boston obviously has a way. Let me
ask you this, Let me ask you this. Yeah, let me ask
you this. Uh, Xavier Moon or Jason Preston, Javir Moon, all
right, vibes are there. He's a better NBA player I think than Jason
Preston. My Instagram, my Instagram home right there, Xavier Moon? Yeah,
there we go? See um? And now, so James Harden.
The fit seems like it makes sense, right Like, I don't think anyone's
worried about the actual basketball ness of it. No, it's money, it's
money ness that they're worried about. It's money and the disappearing in the playoffs.
Yeah, when he does it, because he does have some great performances.
It was like a month and a half ago where he was trying his
best to say the sixers, and then he ultimately disappeared, which you kind
of knows gonna happen. So I guess we just hope Kawhi is the man
in the playoffs and then PG and James Harden can take turns going off if
with this new collected bargain in agreement, we're gonna you've read a Yeah,
all those pages I've sat and red I put, I put my tiny glasses
on the edge of my nose and I went through it page. I printed
it out. I went to Kinko's and I went to and I printed it
out. That's expensive. Yeah, yeah, it cost me a lot of
money diamond page or something like. Yeah, it was like it was like
three hundred dollars. And I read it at king goes next to a man
watching Porno on the computer. He was printing out some church flyers. Yeah
yeah, but uh yeah, okay, so we gotta is it is it
all gonna go down. It's an hour and fifteen minutes. It might go
down. Man, we might be on here when the free agencies. But
so also one thing that's annoying is that we're dealing with Darryl Morey, who
is someone who exhausts every possible nook and cranny for a trade or something like
that, and so this could just take a very long time. There's no
real rush from their perspective. When I heard Nate Duncan say this is the
clipperiest clipper thing that they could do by getting James Harden, what made me
nervous about that was just like you just said, like that package that you
just mentioned, that's it. That's bad, that's a bad track, and
we shouldn't do that. I do want to add somebody. I want to
add a third a third star, especially with the CVA the way it is,
I would love to add a third star. I don't mind losing some
guys for that. I think we talked yesterday. I don't want to lose
Team Man, sure, but if he's if he's frustrated, I think we
both know that Team Man and Zoo have been frustrated with the way things that
you've been carrying A lot of weight for this team, they've been carrying a
lot of weight. And also but also you know, I was just watching
did you watch the Bill? The Bill? Walton dot not yet he went
through the same exact thing with the same exact team as Kawhi Lennard. Yeah,
where the team is like, bro, come on man, what's happening?
Why are you hurt all the time? Yeah? He was like,
bro, I don't know. My body is failing me. I can't hear
you. We're back. Yeah, he doesn't want to be hurt like that
wants to be hurt. No, nobody wants to be Nobody wants to be
hurt. Nobody wants to be hurt like it was this and there was a
video of a player, Derek Smith, who played on the team in the
in the eighties, and he was just like, well, we gotta trust
him, Like we can't assume that he's not actually hurt. We gotta just
we gotta. Yeah. It was just like like have you ever you played
obviously high levels of sports when you're actually hurt and one of your teammates kind
of gives you like a like are you come on, bro? Like are
you really hurt? You're like yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't move
my arm to my coach. I had a I had a thing called the
Spagalian hernia, and I was in an Italian hernia. It was an Italian
hernia. It was filipasta. It was just I had a big ball of
pasta on myself the absense of yeah, gravy. Yeah. The doctor,
the doctor insized it and he squeezed it and just uh noah. But like
I was, I was. The doctor told me I couldn't play for like
he was like, just give it like two weeks, Like it's fine.
It's just a thing that you got hit in a weird place and you're strained
in some sort of way. You'll be fine. And my coach was like,
man, you go over there, man gonna do something because I was,
I was at practice, you know, kind of standing with the guys
and kind of cutting up a little bit, and coach, let me get
out of here, man, Like you're gonna be doing that. You're gonna
be out here acting like you hurt and stuff. To go do something.
Laughing when you're hurt. Oh yeah you can laugh. Yeah, yeah exactly.
Like like I was, like I brought you the doctor's no you don't
believe it, Like, yeah, my coach was like, you know,
I'm sure he thought I was a pretty soft guy, but like I wasn't
a very aggressive dude on football field. Football was never gonna be my actual
sport. But football coaches, they're like forty years behind what you should do
with your body healthful. Ye anyway, absolutely so, I don't know,
man, it is uh when these guys are hurt, like, it sucks.
Everybody's feeling it. It sucks. I would love to get James Harden,
but we cannot. We cannot kill of the team for James Harden.
When Kauhi, who knows how much he's gonna play, I'm sure PG will
play. I'm at the beginning, like, of course, you want to
get ahead of it, and these people all want to get ahead of it
and say they can't stay healthy. Blah blah blah. I'm betting on PG
playing the whole season, damn the whole like PG season. So like maybe
sitting some back to backs, yes, yes, yeah for sure, but
like normal season, Yes, a normal season of basketball for a player of
his caliber, which everybody did, like every everybody, like the Warriors didn't
play back to back that whole eight, whole rotation, guys not playing back
to backs and shit. So like what, I don't We're not the only
team that that shit happens to. Kawhi. I would not bet on him
being fully healthy, but I definitely got the procedure. He supposedly he's gonna
be ready. They cleaned it up. They went in there and they took
out the shrapnel. Yeah, and whatever was inside his name. I don't
know how that shit works. I would love to know how that works.
How a clean up procedure works to me in my head. They cut his
knee open and then they take like a little microscopic literally I just think of
like an ice scraper, and they just go there. They go done,
done, So the backup get I don't know what they're cleaning up, Like,
I don't know what's on his knee or whatever. Yeah, exactly what
is on what is building up on his yea? It needs to be cleaned
up. But yeah, man, I don't like I would assume that Pete
we're gonna have PG for a while. James Harden is fairly durable. That
would be nice to have him. Whoever we got playing in the middle would
be great, but we know you have no qualms about adding Zoo and a
James Harden trade. Hell no, Um, how okay, so there was
some other so your pro James Harden depending on what the deal is. I'm
in the same boat. If we're moving are old and slow power forwards.
I'm not sure why Philly would do this. But if we're moving our old
and slow power forwards and we can get like a NORM, it would suck
to lose Norm. But I don't think people want that contract. But it's
like, then you do it to get you and you've got to throw on
Brandon Boston whatever. I know you don't want to part with Jason Preston.
I know that's a no go for you. Six Ers asters a mere coffee.
Jason Preston as Moon Like, they can't go Brandon Boston throw him in
here. I mean, I'm giving you're giving up, But Jason Preston,
you're on port with president. And also we got our boy Kobe Brown.
Sure yeah, the oldest guy in the draft other than the other guy we
drafted. Um. Kyrie Irving set to meet with the Clippers today once free
agency starts. If kind of a surprise that he's meeting with us. If
this were to happen, the Clippers would have to clear kind of a shitload
of cap space for a sign and trade because that's what he's looking for,
and a salary to be thirty million or forty five million, So some messiness
there. I think, how do you feel about Kyrie on this team?
He's a guy basketball wise who seemingly feels like he would fit okay basketball wise,
basketball wise, you guys were going off pretty heavily in the group chat
yesterday, and because I am the Hebrew is realized, I was am staying.
I don't think I said anything crazy. Uh, you and you and
Will was going pretty hard on old Kyrie. No, I'm just playing.
But I uh, every day I wish Will. I wish Will would.
He could do a lot for the movement, yelling at people at the at
the train station. I wish he would do that on the Sorry we're gonna
I know that people have this this conception that Kyrie ruins every team he goes
to, and that I just think he wants the right fit man, and
he's tried a lot of fits, and and I don't I don't fall to
him for that. He's a really good basketball player. I don't think.
I kind of got to James Harden like energy in my head last night,
and so I kind of would lean towards that. I was. I was
thinking about that very much want to be here based on all of this.
He wants to come and play for his home team stuff. That's a lot
more that we've heard from Kyrie. We did learned that that was a smoke
screen, that that was that that was a he opted in and started,
you know, going like Clippers Knicks, Clippers Knicks, because so to make
to make the Sixers move. But now they have to move him for something
to like not technically he's under contract, they don't technically have to move him.
It would be a bad financial deal for them moving though. Yeah,
I mean if they kept him and he didn't play. Yeah, but that's
what I read. I read that it was a smoke screen at first,
but now it's actually could be happening. Uh. But Kyrie. I love
Kyrie. I would love see Kyrie and Clipper Jersey and he would be so
funny. He's also fairly durable. You know, he's had some injury seasons,
but who hasn't, I mean this team, Yeah, to add another
one. Yeah, I don't think he's the same injury caliber as those guys,
you know what I mean. When we were gonna add Malcolm Brogden,
I was like, well, they supposedly re kind of started that up a
little bit. They contacted Boston about Brogden I think earlier this week again,
which why why all right, we already turned it's it once once? The
Clippers were like, so Boston was being really weird about the medicals. I
guess the Clippers asked for more information than Boston was just like, we're canceling
this trade, which so I'm like, why go back? What's gonna be
better? Why better to hear? Now? Why go back to that?
Also, if we end up with all this noise that we have over the
fans, twenty four hours between James Harden and Kyrie meeting with us and peoples
any towns and man between autists, and then we end up with old Gooseneck
Malcolm Brockden, oh my gosh, I'm gonna like, I'm I'm might running
it back with every Well, what if we got rid of Morris to get
Malcolm Brogden. If it was a straight up from Malcolm Brockden, Marcus Morris.
Yeah, I'll take it was Marcus Morris and two second round picks.
Wasn't your initial trade right for Brock? Somebody else was in there, right,
I mean, look, wasn't it somebody else? It wasn't just that
might have been just that. But because I know there's some draft compensation,
Um yeah, I don't know. It's it's weird. Um, and you
know we're recording it. Do any other I want to know, like,
do any of the other teams? So the lockdown Clippers guy said something.
He said certain fan bases would kill to be in a position that to have
ten winning seasons like we have and stuff like them, like do they care?
Do they actually care? I like the way we care. I don't
know, because they haven't been as sorry as the Clippers kind of work,
you know what I mean. Um, yeah, we had a horrible run.
We had the we had the worst owner in the history of the NBA
maybe sports, maybe sports honestly, you know, kind of pop culturally.
So I don't think they would kill for it, though, because it's like,
yeah, if you tell if you love the regular season, we've been
great. But it's also totally okay to be like we've underperformed and it's been
a bit underwhelming in this two one three era. They probably they were probably
here to win a championship, not to be over five hundred regular season.
Great, it's cool. We can't like we you can do that in Indiana.
Yeah, you're the only team they love basketball and you're the only team.
Yeah. We cannot afford it. We cannot afford it. We gotta
get some, We gotta get some. Exactly, Um, all right,
we got some questions to get to coming up after this break. The noise
level has been a little bit loud, So if that's been your case,
go ahead and turn it down. We got wonderful fan questions coming up after
this break in three two one, Welcome back to Clips and Dip. You
can find this podcast on Spotify, iTunes, Deezer, Stitcher, all those
great places. Season two. The seasons apparently start at the draft. So
this is the second episode that we've done a season two. We're joined by
Carl Tart. Got some mail bag questions. Timmy Kane wants to know am
I being naive or optimistic for still believing in this team? As long as
we can make a slight upgrade at the four whether it be getting someone or
just playing quiet or Rocoa with the four more, I still feel like we're
a contender. Please talk some sense into me. Carl's Jimmy naive or optimistic?
Na man, you're optimistic. I think we have to be Timmy Kang.
Listen, nothing is set in stone. This is one thing I when
I when I hear people discuss our team and I go to gym and everybody
in the gym as a Laker fan, and they're all like, you know,
clowning on me, and I go from the day, Yeah, yeah,
they're not spotting me. They said, I'm trying to bench. Yeah
yeah, But I go in the gym like this, I read hard,
like I'm wearing my my former Statement edition shirt. They'll probably they'll they'll recycle
that in a couple of years. That'll be That'll be the new Statement that'll
come back. Uh. Look, honestly speaking, you are not being naive.
You're being optimistic because you got love for this team. Nothing nothing about
us on paper, it's set in stone. Kauhi could have a fully healthy
season. It is possible. People saying it's impossible don't know anything. All
we can do is believe at this point, and I am up the mindset
of we already. I love listening to Law Murray on on the show when
he was talking about we already blew it up, like this is a new
look team. It is unless they completely bring everyone back. Yeah, like
like it it's I think that it's okay to be to have faith in a
team when you have, when healthy, a top three player in the league
and a top twenty number two you can possibly have. Yeah, and if
we get if if if we add a piece like if we keep Russ honestly,
or if we add a piece like James Harden or somebody like that,
we're gonna get. We're gonna get somebody today. I'm assuming, like I
don't love what's gonna have. It's got to happen via trade because free agency.
It's just like they're still trying to get older. You've got the CPA
printed out. I gotta print I gotta run back to Kings left it there.
But yeah, yeah, and the guy, the guy that was watching
porn next to me is uh probably going through it right. Yeah, Listen,
man, I don't think it's I don't think it's naive to believe in
your team. Bro, everybody will tell you to be naive. Everybody we've
been the most, like we are the most gaslighted fan base. If you
look at us on paper, you think, oh shit, this is it.
They got the team, They got the team, and then we underperform
and that sucks. But we're not the only team. Only one team can
win a championship. Everybod, that's true. So like the different factors go
into different things. Uh like, keep believing, I'm gonna keep turn just
be like, we're not gonna win shit. I might as well not even
watch, Like okay, not even watch. I might as well just be
a be a general, a general basketball fan, like like like every other
player, don't say shit about the team if you're gonna just be like,
we're not gonna win anything. Because here's my thing. I believe this team
can win a championship if they're healthy. Um, but you can still think
there's things to fix. If you just don't believe in the team at all,
then I don't want to hear people's thoughts on it, because I'm like,
you don't believe exactly, you're starting a bad faith exactly. Focus on
the team getting better, Focus on the team, focus on what the positives
of it are. I like the team. Like I said, nobody can
predict the future. This may be we can. You can say it's being
naive, but this may be the year that everybody just is healthy at the
right time and we put off the MP through it all. Can't believe this
is my life, Yeah, can't. Like, dude, I chose this.
I chose this life. That's why I can't. That's why I got
a ball out in every other aspect of the writer. Strike is not helping
me with the Clippers, I'll tell you that much. Because everything is uncertain.
I haven't worked in months, and uh and uh and SAG might go
on strike today too, the same day that NBA free agency is. Things
are heavy, LA. If you don't live in Los Angeles, things are
slowly, yeah, maybe quickly deteriorating industry wise, and I yeah, I'm
I'm with Timmy on this one. The Clippers are also trying to trade Morris
and norm maybe together, which is around like thirty five million dollars, So
that I mean to me, if we're getting a guy who makes thirty five
million dollars, that sounds like the hardened trade. Um and you know,
maybe we throw on a young guy there, so like that. Honestly,
if we move Morris and can just upgrade his spot and we run everyone back,
I'm happy. And also, you gotta remember this. People talk about
age a lot. These two guys that we got in this draft. Yes
they're older, sure, twenty three years old or whatever. We look at
look at what Jalen Brunson is doing. Yes, a four year college player
was a beast in college. Like look at what he's doing. Like,
look at what Kyle Kuzma came in and did. Now he's he's in talks
today of getting a big deal somewhere. Like, it's it's fine having older
players. I don't know what the like. Of course you want to develop
the nineteen year old victim women Yama, the nineteen year old Luca. Of
course you want that. But when you get some players that could come in
and help you immediately, I guarantee you, for what Marcus Morris gave us
last season, put me down for five hundred dollars, that Kobe Brown can
do that. Yeah, I mean not a high bar, not exactly,
That's what I'm saying. Not a high bar at all. Kobe Brown can
do that. Um Man the Kobe, he won't be and he wonna be
mad that he's not starting. It's like Adams here, I feel like I
haven't even talked at about the draft picks yet, but I know that he's
probably already ordered the jerseys from those two guys and another kid, you know.
You know, I'm shout out to a coach j Jay Lar not on
our on our on our team coaching staff. His father is the coach at
Miami. Of course, we always know a guy and he's he's real big
on the guy that we chose out of Miami, really okay, and a
guy like that working with a Paul George, who is one of the best
small forwards two way small forwards ever. You gotta give it to him,
like, yeah, he that's good. That's a good development right there.
And he's at an age where that dude, you know, he's he's older,
he can he can really learn from a guy like Paul George and really
come in and maybe make you know, at least get some maybe get some
vible minutes, you know, in those moments where we don't have our guys
so the young and that's like that's I think there's gonna be moments where we
don't have our guys. Yeah, which is why this hardened thing is is
incredibly important and kind of keeping some semblance of a team together. And why
that Kevin O'Connor idea makes no sense because we're sending out like six guys to
get two back. Yeah, it would just be screwed. Um. Trent
maddox asked last season during our first mail bag, he asked if Reggie could
win sixth Man of the Year after he made Terrence the starting point guard.
That didn't happen this season. He's going with shouldn't Man be the starting point
guard? Stats show he was great in the role and the team went twelve
and eight in his starts. We just kind of talked about Russ. If
the Clippers do not bring back Rust, they've already waived Arrett Gordon somewhat maybe
prematurely. Terrence has to be the starting point guard right if we don't get
Rush back, we don't have Eric Gordon. Who other than Terrence Man is
going to be our starting point guard right now? Jason Preston, I'm just
I'm just just kidding. I'm just getting into it. Welcome to the End
to a built by Jason Jason the house that Jason Preston built. Listen.
Uh, I think darres Man could be the starting point guard. But however,
I will say this hot take from Clipper Nation, Uh, twelve and
eight is not that double record number one? Pretty good? Yeah, twelve
and eight is is Kroger Brandton and teen Uh. And also, Terrence Man
is a Swiss Army Knight. He could play every position. He's not great
at the point guard position, you know what I mean. He's good at
it, like, but is he a starting caliber point guard in the NBA?
Uh? Debatable. I think he's a starting caliber player. So here's
That's the thing with Terrence is that he doesn't have an actual role on this
team. Yeah, he doesn't have his not his fault. No, They're
like he plays the six and it's like that's not a real that's not a
real answer or anything like that. Like, so I think they need to
have an actual, defined role for Terrence. And I think he's great in
the two spot for the starting lineup. I think he's convinced PG and Kawai
to move a spot down. I don't know if that's possible. Maybe it
is through trades and you know, we kind of cut some fat at the
four. Um. Then I think Terrence at the two is awesome. And
I think if you get James Harden and can keep Terrence man, Terrence is
cutting and all that stuff really helps out James because he's a great. Yeah.
So I like where trance Head is at. I mean he would he's
a solid point guard. But I think if they are going to actually develop
him, it's got to be at the two. Yeah, in a real
way. But that is also health dependent, which is where we kind of
get into some some trouble there. Oh tell me about it. Um.
Davy Neubauer asks, how can we get the most of man and bones if
that means not bringing Rust back. I'm fine with that. Rust put up
great numbers in the playoffs, but I'm not convinced that will lead to winning
basketball in the playoffs. I'm not Why aren't you convinced that? Well,
I think it's I will say, I think it's hard to judge it because
he just was out there by himself. He was out there by him Zelvi.
He hand on hill right like. And that's also why he was the
best performer like people like, he was our best player in the playoffs.
I'm like, correct, start the guy he started teams ring those playoffs?
Right, let's look it up right now. I didn't watch those games.
I was too sad. But uh hey, we've all been there. Um,
he did not start. Who was Norm starting? Let me look at
this who hell was starting those playoff games? Yeah? Russ, Norm Morris
Zoo and Eric Gordon? Oh my gosh. Yeah right, so Terrace isn't
getting shit even, like and choir out there like, why would we start?
You? Bro? I don't understand that. I don't really understand that.
I think I think that was a ego. I think that was an
ego thing for for from Muke. Uh, bones is gonna be good?
Like, let's make him the the backup point guard. Yeah, he's a
great shooter. He could, he could, he could, he could learn,
he could do some some more. Yeah, he's fun, he can
learn, he could, he could. You know he's gonna get better that
mic um, Yeah, yeah, he's gonna get better. But where are
you out on the rust thing? Do you want Russ back? Yause?
I'm pretty sure it's the mL E. I don't I look, I'm only
halfway through your your printed off copy of the CBA. I got some papers
disorgan they're out of order. But I think we can only give him the
mL E, which is like, but I'm also like, who is giving
him more money? What team is out there other than the Clippers that's like,
oh, we need for us for fifteen million dollars a year. There
there was a list of teams that that that could could pay him, and
they were all teams and I'm like, why would why would any of them
do that? They're not gonna do it, Yeah, except except maybe,
okay, see if he wants to come and have one last who ride there
as a backup point guard d s. See. I don't think he wants
to be a backup. Like if you're him, he was just given the
keys to a team that was supposed to win the championship. Just yeah,
immediately, yeah, So why would you not go back to that? I
guess I think with first of all, we talked about this, the idea
of having James Harden, Russell Westbrook, Kawhi, Leonard, Paul George all
starting on a team Harden and Russ. If we get both of them,
it's going to be a goddamn nightmare. I don't think so I think they
kill each other. I don't think. How did they do in Houston?
Not very good? Are you sure? I don't know. I don't.
I didn't work right, like, I mean, they didn't win a championship.
But what is working? I mean I get. I mean I didn't
work enough for them to keep it going. No, No, I didn't.
I think I like that idea selfishly. All these LA guys playing for
the same LA team, and I think it's really cool that I played against
all these guys in high school and this this is uh, this is for
you. This would be a special little treat for you. Yeah, so
the center, can we get from southern California to come play? Let's just
bring Tyson Chandler back. He could play in his old high school jersey.
Yeah, that's the Domingas um. Yeah. The rest thing and we don't
even I mean, I guess we'll find out in fifty one minutes. Who
rest is gonna you know, what's gonna be on the team. Is it
all gonna happen quick? I'm anxious. So I don't know. I think
with the new CBA and stuff, it like can't like there can't because the
new tampering stuff because there's I think actual punishment. Yeah, that you can't
do the like, oh, it's three oh one. We've already agreed to
a deal with so and so. So we're not gonna hear about anhing one.
Do you think we're gonna hear about stuff for the Clipper? I don't
know Man or any any team. Let's call it a half hour. They
probably gave up like a half hour window or something. Yeah, Um,
would be my guess. Also, if anything happens, we started this recording
at one thirty and we're gonna put it out probably right when free agency starts.
If anything happens, I'll just do a quick pod about how we got
rest Westbrook back. Um, yeah, call me back. Yeah. Now,
skit Ball wants to know what your ideal nine to ten man rotation is
this season if we you know, if we have a realistic off season.
So let's call it no more Morris Morris is gone, sorry, no more
Morris. Russ is gone, and EJ's gone and we have James Harden.
Okay, we know the starting five, right, Russ is gone in this
Russ is gone in this scenario. Actually, let's let's keep Russ that feels
realistic, That feels realistic. I think that. I think that's the biggest
flat like you if I'm if if I'm being naivel or optimistic, if if
I the the Clippers, you know, lore in my bones makes me go,
it makes me go like Russ is the only thing that happens, I
wouldn't be surprised, Like, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if we just
get Russ back and then like wave more morrists or like I don't know,
like so the ideal, I mean, we know you're starting five, right,
my start my ideal starting five? Yeah, yes, those four guys
I just named and Zubos and Zubos okay, and then Terrence Terrence off the
bench, Terrence uh Nico Nico still still there plumbly it's a nice area.
Well Amre is not gonna ever play, but yeah, that's a nice tan
I can and see. I think amer ship play. So that's what's frustrating.
So a mere Terrence are in this category of guys where it's like we
don't want to trade them, but if they're not going to be used anywhere
in their full potential, I think Terrence obviously is a lot better than a
mirror. Amere to do a whole bunch to get you super hyped up last
year. Ye, it's like it's like the Roco thing. If we're not
gonna use Rocco, trade Roco. That's why we signed his contract and wanted
to control where he could go. And now we can all that and if
we're not gonna play him, like, let's just trade him for someone who's
gonna play. I guess yeah. Also, I mean Kobe Brown. I
can't wait for you and Adam to talk about Kobe Brown. Kobe Brown.
I mean, he's he's at thirty. We got him in the first round,
so he's got he's guaranteed, right, Yeah, that's true. He's
there, he's gonna play. He's gonna be a two way guy. I'm
assuming, Well, it's a full contract, that's he's gonna so he's gonna
be on the on the bench. I think he's on the bench. Yeah,
and then we'll still have Moosa x Moon and then I think Preston and
Brandon Boston's deals guarantee and like the next week, damn, So he might
have to get rid of those guys. Yeah, I know how much it
would hurt you to get rid of Jason Preston. I mean, you know,
you know what it is, bro Like, I feel like when Steve
Bamber said he's only gonna retool, he's not gonna rebuild. I don't know
if that was a full lot. I think I think we're seeing it kind
of. Yeah, Like I think we're always gonna be this team that keeps
these like that guy's coming in, yeah, exactly. We may get we
may get one cool guy every now and then in his twilight Yeah, who's
like oh shit, yeah back. Yeah. For a year, I was
just looking at the other day. Did you realize that in twenty fourteen on
the Donald Sterling Team, the Donal Sterling Breakdown Team, that we had Danny
Granger. Damn man. He was a killer and not for us, no,
obviously not for us. He was like, dude, he was so
good. He was he was he was on that roster weird. Uh,
But like, man, yeah, I think we're always just gonna be like,
you know, name whoever. You know, we're gonna get Zach Levine
in three years, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know somebody
like that. Like We're always gonna be that kind of team. We're never
gonna have like a complete rebuild, so it feels good to have guys that
we draft that we keep, you know, Yeah, I don't want to
tears man I one loose Brandon Boston, although Brandon Boston feels like to me,
he's not he's not moving fast enough. He's in between. It feels
like um and like he goes and he crushes in the G League, right
yeah, And it's great in him and Muss and Preston, Like how these
insane winning streaks, it's just not translating at the NBA level. M One
thing, We're kind of talking about the future of the team a little bit.
Where are you at on extending Kawai and PG? Because there's these reports
that the front of Zach Low was saying the front office is going to play
hardball with their contract extensions. And one of the when we were apparently going
to trade PG for Scoot and Simons and all this stuff, one of the
issues was his upcoming extension because after this year they can opt out and then
I'm assuming they're expecting the full maxes PG will be thirty four, qualbe thirty
two. How are you feeling about giving thirty four year old PG four for
two hundred and twenty million dollars contract. No, that's a lot of money.
No for thirty four year old PG. What about thirty two year old
Kuai? No? No, man, if they we got to see what
they do this year, said, that's what I was a little bit confused,
and I was texting you guys about it. So they're they're eligible.
I think Kawhi is eligible today and PG is eligible like next week or something
like that. No, so they gotta play. They gotta play this next
year and then middle then they can opt out. They can opt out next
year. But but they're eligible for extensions right now. We could extend them,
right, I believe. So yeah, yeah, yeah, but they're
not gonna ask for it right now. No, there's no reason too,
because they can still play out this year, that's guaranteed. I think they
both have to know that. And I think they both have to know,
like, we're not just gonna give this to you. Maybe one of the
team has given them every single other thing they want, so I can see
them maybe thinking the two anymore give this to them. They can they can
think that, but when yeah, yeah, like and it'll it'll suck.
Shit if if you know, man, I've heard suck shit and a long
day. That's how the Clippers off seasons going. As we're using phrases like
that would suck shit. Yeah, it's gonna suck shit if they played badly
this season and we and they get to walk you know, next year,
because then we get nothing, then it's just like all right, yeah,
but that sucked. I think and I think PG is Was it you that
said this that he's the flight risk? Yeah, and other people have said
this too, like he still got a lot of basketball left to play in
him. Kahi feel like walk to? Does PG want to? I think
that we need him to. I think PG wants to more than Kawhi does.
I can see that. I think Kawhi' is like man, we also
don't know anything about Kawie. We don't know nothing about him. We know
he was on a boat for his birthday yesterday. He looked pretty excited.
He looked happy, he was screamed laughing. They're just season an a.
I feel drawn him for the smiling picks. Yeah yeah, his teeth were
perfect doing like yeah, yeah, so you wouldn't. So then do you
try and move him or do you just give him a two year extension and
hopefully he's what we got. Hopefully he takes a one and one. I
mean, that would kind of screw his cap wise. But because that's the
issue with the one and one. That's why I've always complained about Lebron taking
it, is that it's like, well, your team, you know,
you can't build because you're basically giving them a one year contract and then they're
gonna opt out and then like sign a weird extension thing again. Yeah,
but yeah, I mean I'd rather I think, yeah, I'd rather keep
Kauietan PG. I don't want to have Look, I tweeted this out,
but if I'm having a really bad day, I'll have visions of going to
sporttrack dot com and being like, damn okay, Pg's thirty seven, what
are we paying him next year when he's thirty eight and fifty eight million dollars.
It's also funny if you say that, because I gotta call you.
I gotta take you to task for a second. What's up? Was you
most certainly were like, I'd rather have PG than Kawai. When we were
buying Jersey, said Dick sporton Goods, and I was looking at Kawhi jersey.
You like, don't get a Kawhi Jersey jersey. That's how I felt
that day because PG was repping PG reps. You see PG rep. Yeah.
Now, I will say I have completely flips and I would I would
not be mad if we traded PG for Scoot Henderson. That would have been
pretty fun. That would have been crazy. I don't want to see PG
in the West. Let him go, Let him go back to Indiana and
do a thing. That's this thing. Trading Paul George into the West would,
knowing the Clippers history of everything, would somehow ignite a new like alpha
mentality in Paul George and he'd be like, I can do all this stuff
time to average thirty thirty four, eight and nine only against the Clippers.
Yeah, so yeah, that might be a nightmare. All right, So
you're out on the extensions. I think I'm out on the extensions too.
Did you end up? Wait? Did you get the Rusters yet? Did
it get in the mail? Yea, yeah, this is here, okay,
And I got my u ganis Haslem heat jersey? Really? Yeah?
That's sick. Which version of the jersey? The oh the nineteen eighty eight
like old school White and Rant League. He's been playing for thirty five years.
It's close, bro Um, all right, we got one more ad
break and then a couple more fantastic questions. He was a little more fun.
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turn it down ads, and then some fun stuff going up in three two
one. All right, David Hellman asked he had some funny stuff on her
almost last episode. We were on YouTube and he was putting some good stuff
in the chat. Yeah. Should Steve Bamber be financially responsible for Clippers fans
therapy? Should it be bumbled with bundled with Clipper vision? Carl? He
also tagged Steve Bamber in this which is very funny. Um, Carl,
where are you at on that? Yes? Absolutely, because I absolutely talked
to my to my therapist about the Clippers. Yeah, and Gus Okay,
a Laker fan. He said, he said, you thought, yeah,
you shirt off and you have to be objective. You have to be objective.
Piece of shit. He's wearing a big foam finger during your's you know
he's got the he got that guy, he's got Lakers. He's just showing
those signs. He hires that Dennis to come in with the chain and go
like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the that's the Aufred coffee
guy. Yeah. Um, so I agree with this. I also I
was talking Will I was talking. I was like, oh yeah, like
I was talking without therapists. Like, so I was mentioned like sports or
something. He was like, you talk to your therapists about sports a lot.
I was like, first of all, not a lot. Second of
all, I care a lot about sports. Ship sucks. Uh did you
buy Clipper Vision, by the way, Yeah, yeah, I got it.
It was pretty solid. I was. I watched it. I liked
I liked seeing uh when when Paul Pierce would come on the air drunk man.
I hope they got to bring him back because he seems to be in
full Who cares they all had bad internet connections, but like there was a
couple of fun episodes like yeah, I didn't I didn't mind it at all,
And it makes it easy to watch games. You got your computer or
something. Yeah, but now that Bally sports Is doesn't exist anymore, or
like whatever's going on with that, I want to forget. Yeah. Um,
Chenny John asks the Clipper locker room and into it is rumored to be
the largest in the league. What do you think is a surprise feature in
there? Fondue, fountain, walking, huma door, pharmaceutical grade center,
fuge, indoor skydive machine. Girl, What do you think is in this
new big Have you been to the site? By the way, I haven't
been to the site. I missed it. I missed it that day.
I didn't realize that it was a Sunday. I thought it was that Monday.
I had the hard hat. He gave me a heart. I still
got my hard hat. Uh. I didn't get a chance to go,
though I wanted to go. I was mad about that. I just I
completely overslept. I had an eleven am employment. I was gonna like gearing
up. I had take I called my train and I was like, yo,
Monday, I'm not coming in going down into a dip treatment. I
gotta sign the main beam to sign the bean. Uh. And I didn't
get it. I was I woke up and I saw people posting pictures from
it, and I go, God, damn, shout out a big Bland.
It might have been him, shout out, yeah, shout out Clipper
Lab. Yeah, it might have been him posting that. I was like,
oh I missed it. It was today. It's going up fast man.
All the media people. I don't get the media invites anymore because I
don't think they like us, but all the media people, it's like it's
almost I mean it's not like close to done, but like that's what happened.
Was a billionaire paced for the whole thing is that ship gets built.
If it ranged, the inside won't get wet. Yeah all right, but
what do you think what's the what's the surprise feature in the Clippers locker room?
McDonald team's gonna it's the fall McDonald fully functioning airport style McDonald's next to
a job of juice airport style or or break airport style airport style John.
But so you get there and you're like, let me get the oat meal,
and they're like, we don't have any brown sugar. It's like,
man, get brown sugar. Though I thought it was supposed to be the
nicest ring in the legue. Yeah, don't have a browsing at the job.
But I think I think they got that. I think they got everybody
gets an iPod at their at their station and the iPod iPod Yeah, yeah,
with the four Buns of the town. Yeah, yeah, man,
I remember kids. Did you have kids who would keep the click wheel sounds
on so they could just flex and class? Oh yeah, I was like,
turn that shit off. Yeah, I remember the kid that I remember
the first kid who had one of those. He was a piano player and
he had an iPod and we'd all be looking at it. It was so
big. Actually, I forget. It won't be at not an end to
it, don't It'll be zooms at the end of it. Though. Man,
you knew how to zoom. We'll Upji and I think Adam Ozsland also
back in the day, went the zoom round. My mom bought me the
fucking most Walmart ass MP three player, Like, I don't want it.
I don't remember. It was Samsung. I don't know it was. It
hold songs, yeah, exactly, like it was not it never quite worked.
Sure. Yeah, everything was in Spanish for some reason. Yeah,
we got a helicopter. There's a fire at Warner Brothers right now. Oh
no, was it planned? I don't know. Somebody say, Carol Lombardini,
Uh, oh man, Well, Carl. That about wraps up the
questions. Is there anything you want to get off your chest about the Clippers.
Is the Curse having a good offseason. We haven't heard from him in
a while. This is your soap box, sir. Listen, I'm gonna
say this. The Curse is not here today. That's good. I did
not want to see him. That's not today. We'll see where he is
when is free agency over? I have no idea. Let me look um
free agency and NBA um oh chick. July one through six is the moratorium?
Um, I have no idea. Well, he'll be back when it's
over. Sure in case, in case, the only move in case.
The only movie we make today is Russ. Oh okay, so if we
if Russ comes back, we're gonna have to have the Curse back on road.
Yes, I can see him descending down like sting. Yeah, but
anything you want to tell the fans, keep your head up even when the
road is hard. Never gave up. Don't give up. Keep your head
up, man. We are in it to win it. This is gonna
be the season the boys stay healthy. I'm getting fifty five games from Kawhi
and PG fifty five and the good ones are gonna be in the playoffs and
we're gonna get James hardened today and we're not gonna have to give up too
much for him. Okay, we're gonna trade Zoo for uh naz Reid,
Jason Preston's brother. We're gonna run Jason Preston at the one and his brother
wherever he wants to play. Does he play too? Probably he's probably better
than than Jason. He's probably better than Jason Preston, but he just never
played, you know, like he'd be like, hey, Jason, you're
pretty good in high school and your brother still beats you in the you know,
at the basketball hoop over the garage, and he's like, yeah,
when I'm in the NBA and they're like, well your brother could have been.
You hate that they you hate that kid. He hasn't done anything but
just live exactly anything. He lived a dream that we all want to live.
I hate it because every national writer for the Clippers rights things like he's
due for a bigger role, and I'm like, you don't watch the team.
You don't. It's like when Capital Carr was like, do you on
your little two route, young big man entering the rotation? I'm like,
shut the fuck up. Yeah, what a bad experiment. That was he's
in the league, is the least. Let me look, you know they
didn't know how tall he was, right, Yeah, yeah, I knew
that. It wasn't on like six seven. He's six eight. He's listed
at six eight. Um, he might be out of the league. Man.
Yeah, he didn't. He didn't play well. Damn he He played
for the Raptors in twenty one twenty two. Played three games, average nine
minutes. Hey, average three and two. You extrapolate that per thirty six,
it's almost almost double double. Uh well, Carl, thank you so
much for joining us, Thank you for having me. It's always good to
be here. Uh. Zach Low is on TV right now, and he's
got on some week ass shoes. What are they? Are they those fake
business sneakers? Yeah? Yeah, I'm cool, yeah, business like Look
at me. I'm hanging with with with Perk and uh and Richard Jefferson and
they all people who work at ESPN. Now after the I know everybody got
laid off today, right, yeah, which is a damn shame. Maybe
don't pay Stephen A. Smith and two NFL announcers like a combined six hundred
million dollars and you can keep some other people. Um, well, thank
you for coming on. We're gonna be back next uh maybe next week.
We might be taking it off just for the holiday, and everyone's out of
town except for me, so you know, I think we're gonna be barbecuing.
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