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here. Hello, Kira, hi, and you. We learned a view

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from our friend Temple Mountain Eric in
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His last name? I think I
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in Palamini? I think so I'm
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I mean it sounds good, right, It sounded like I mean,

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it just kind of rolled off my
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I mean, I mean it's easier
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And his last name is changing anyway
when he gets married. Apparently he's taking

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his wife's namey that'll be that'll be
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right right, But yes, welcome
Kia. And uh, you do a

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number of different things. So you're
a visual artist yep. And you're also

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a musician yep, and uh an
entrepreneur, shall we say absolutely? Yeah?

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What what's kind of the thing that
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you say so? Probably definitely the
art portion of it. Yeah, music

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takes a close second, but it
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kind of depends on what fits in
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how difficult is it to kind of
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mean, do you sell do you
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but I mean, how does that
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kind of a business standpoint? So
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a collection of work and then I
built my website, printed out two thousand

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business cards and walked around Manchester like
a crazy person, walking into all the

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local businesses handing out business cards.
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able to kind of network and get
the groundgoing. So then I actually did

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pop up shops at Shoppers, Pub
and Eatery, and I did another one

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at hop Not, And I had
art up in a handful of businesses yeah,

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like Top Shelf, I'm Shopper,
Spub, and Eatery. I've also

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had stuff up in two Share brewing
company as well twice. And so then

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and between like the different showings.
I guess like having being a featured artist.

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I'm in Manchester but also conquered because
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February. But in between those things, because I'll have artwork up. I

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also do the Londondery Flea Market,
so essentially like that's like my go to

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consistent locations so it's easier to find
me. And then I have the online

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stuff if people want to continue to
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And then so I have the Londonderry
stuff. I've paired up with somebody their

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company's night Hollow, but we share
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and do different like craft fairs,
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well. Okay, and then I've
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two weeks ago. I did a
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also do paint parties, which is
actually how I met Greg who runs who

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owns Rude Awakening, and then I
did the mural for him. So I'm

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like, I'm all over the place. Yeah yeah, uh so, but

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you started you just like you said, you just you printed business cards and

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you went around to what was what
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would go into a business to like, what would you what would you say?

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Well, first I'd ask if they
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was kind of the general pitch.
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I typically asked them if they like
trash pan, does avocado puns or

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crack his squirrels. That usually gets
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But as far as like local businesses, I try to cover my basis

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first before I'm just like, hey, do you like avocado puns? Right?

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Was that intimidating when you started?
Was that a little bit? I've

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kind of worked through my social anxiety
so at this point I'm perfectly comfortable with

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it. But it was definitely like
a all right, gonna do the wiggle

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arms and get myself all comfortable and
march my butt in there and yeah,

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hand out business cards. But it
definitely got a lot easier. Yeah,

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over time. Kind of it also
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so it kind of east me into
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because I feel like so much whether
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anything, so much of it it's
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that initial sort of angst over you
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know, here's what I do.
Are you interested in doing this with?

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You know? And can we work
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as you started to have some initial
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right, because then you start to
feel like, Okay, I actually can

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I actually can do this. I
actually can't make this work? Yeah yep,

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now what So but you were already
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doing music in terms of playing out
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open mics first because I wanted to
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that I could actually perform out.
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but I wanted to have more originals. So then by the time I

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was ready, I had somewhere between
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covers. So I was actually getting
ready to do so solo. But then

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I made a band mix account and
I had a band reach out to me

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that night and I've been with him
ever since. Okay, so it just

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kind of worked out. Yeah,
yeah, what what's the band? So

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originally we were a Catalyst, but
now we've kind of reformed into a new

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band since we do original music now
okay, so now we are Ashbourne.

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Okay, we're like a rock and
roll metal band. Yeah, fun,

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yeah yeah, but you don't with
that band. You don't have any studio

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recordings yet, not yet. No, right now we only have live recordings,

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which is limited success because my phone
has terrible audio quality. Oh yeah,

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it's like love that tinmy sound right
right? But yeah, no,

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yeah, I think I think I
saw some things on YouTube. But but

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yeah, yeah, it's a it's
a process. And what was the other

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thing? So Eric had said something
else? Well, how did maybe the

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still jog my memory? There was
something else that he told us about you?

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But how is it that you met
Eric from Temple Mountains? So I

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actually met him at an open mic? Okay, I met him at my

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go to, which was the undiscovered
open mic Up and Conquered run by a

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Hank Gonsburne. That's where I met
him. I hadn't been in a while,

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so it was kind of like a
like a co winky dink. But

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that's where I met him, and
then I guess he saw some of my

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art, so he reached out to
me, and then I ran into him

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again coincidentally at another open mic,
which was at Rude Awakening, because they

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do open mics once a month these
like the last Saturday of the month,

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so my band wanted to check them
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Yeah, so happened to run into
him, and then he and I ended

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up doing a live painting together.
So I did a painting of him I'm

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Up and Conquered and I think it
took like, I don't know, an

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hour or two or he was just
playing and I painted him and I added

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geese because that was the request.
So he's got geese, kidd Wow.

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Yeah, So that was fun.
And I did an album cover for him

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too, Oh wow. Yeah.
Okay, Is that is that challenging because

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I assume when you're doing the live
painting, is that uh yes and no.

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I mean I went to art school, so we didn't wed. We

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draw. We drew a lot of
naked people, so not not that he

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was, but like you know,
in the sense of like figure drawing,

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so there's that. I also just
I draw a lot of people, so

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it's gotten a lot easier because I
just I understand anatomy, so I wouldn't

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say that was particularly difficult, but
show no, no. So we we

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met up and conquered. We popped
a squat in one of like the courtyard

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areas and so then I just I
sat on the ground while he played,

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and then people would pass by.
It was kind of cool. We live

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streamed it, and it's kind of
interesting because he had some people walk by

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and they wanted to see what what
I was drawing, and he was up

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on stairs because the composition we looked
better, and so some people would you

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know, comment and walk by.
Some people would watch a little bit,

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and it was it was fun.
It was a lot of fun. Yeah,

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yeah, I guess I wondered if
it was distracting at all, you

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know, having people walk by.
You know that because obviously there are some

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there are some things you know that
you do creatively. You know, we

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all have things that we do creatively
where you have to really kind of focus

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and concentrate and the last thing you
want is distractions. But but it sounds

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like, you know, with something
like that, it's actually fun to have

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people it is stop and take an
interest and not to brag we got tipped

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six dollars but pass nice. Yeah, oh very cool. And what was

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the You mentioned something about paint parties? What is that? So I'm a

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I'm a paint party host, but
I work for paint the town. And

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basically how that works is instead of
working at a specific location, I go

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to the party. Oh so I
take it all with me. So I've

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been. I've been all over New
England because they don't have a lot of

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paint party hosts right now, but
at least up in the New England area's

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a national brand, so they're all
over the country. Oh okay, So

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basically it works like you have your
pinpoint location. So my quote area designated

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area is Manch unless they need a
paint party post somewhere else in New England.

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Maine actually next week. But anyway, I take all the stuff with me

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and I go drive over, I
set up for a few hours, and

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then I walk them through the paint
process and then I take it all back.

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I take it all with me,
minus the paintings. They get to

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keep the paintings, but like all
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kind of fun interesting is it almost
like uh like kind of an art class

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when you do it? Like think
like think like get up, well depending

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on the context, but like think, I think like a bunch of drunk

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people get together and want to paint, you know, unless like they do

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have like kid parties too, like
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I did I think My first paint
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they were so cute. They were
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couple of different bars as well.
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sign ups, and so you get
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thing is people just having fun.
I didn't even know that was a thing.

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The paid party as well. Yeah. You ever have an instance where

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you do one of those and there's
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go, Wow, this person has
some real potential. Oh absolutely, No,

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absolutely, I feel like there's always
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the spectrum off. You get the
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frustrated and it's like no happy trees, happy trees. And then you have

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like the person who's just like really
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they're just super super talented, and
then everybody else is like, I don't

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want to paint like that. Where
have you been hiding all this time?

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I didn't know you could paint?
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this kind of I kind of gauge
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paint experience, some theme do it
for fun. Some people it's like I'll

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ask if they want any feedback because
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even I like it like getting feedback
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of gauge them before I proceed,
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the on the other side, you
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done a great thing and they're excited
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mean yeah, but like also art
subjective, I'm just like, just because

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like I don't like it doesn't make
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want to like make them feel good
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for them, for some people taking
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big deal because it's so far out
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it is a masterpiece. So I
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know, feel and understand that that
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Don't listen to him, don't.
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have no visual artistic ability whatsoever.
So I'm kind of fascinated by because I

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don't know what it's like to be
able to do that. Yeah, Like

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Jenny does these incredible paintings. You
know, she's an artist, and and

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I look at what she does,
and I don't, Like, my brain

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isn't wired that it. Like,
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Like I can't the way my brain, I can't understand it, you know,

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Like I'm creative in other ways.
You know, I'm a musician,

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and you know I can create and
I can write music and so forth.

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But visually, like I hated art
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went to UH from grade two to
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and Conquered and we would have like
art class every I think it wasn't every

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week. It was like it was
weird. It was like every other week

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or something, these two outside artists
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time teachers there, and uh,
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I felt like I was being forced
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I couldn't do, you know what
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they'd be you know, they'd be
walking. I remember, I actually remember

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this. I remember trying to paint
something and they wanted us. It was

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trees, and they wanted us to
like paint a house with trees, and

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and I remember it just just to
look busy. I was painting this same

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tree over and over. And I
guess one of them actually caught onto what

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I was doing because she came around
and said, you don't have to keep

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going over that. It looks good
now. And I'm like, and I'm

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thinking, you know, I'm just
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because I'm really you know, like
I just I understood that about myself that

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I had no no ability to do
that particular thing, you know what I

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mean. I feel like the misconception
with artist art is a form of problem

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solving. Like I actually used to
be an art teacher in Manchester, oh

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Okay, I taught at three of
the Catholic schools. Oh and then I

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also was the art director at the
Boys and Girls Club for a bit.

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But the big thing that I noticed
was that there seems to be this conception

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that art is just for visual expression, an outlet of some sort. But

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the big, the big reason why
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So even if you can't visually,
you know, use paint or push

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around, you know, a pencil, that's not the point. The point

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is understanding what what is the problem
that needs to be you solved? How

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do you use the skill set you
have in order to create something that visually

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makes sense? Which also helps with
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in problem solved outside of a you
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and then over time building that makes
things you know, outside of art

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so much easier. Whether you're building
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science or mathematics, makes a huge
difference in itself. So it's it's interesting,

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it's just creative problem solving that is
really interesting. I've never heard anyone

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explain it that way before. Oh
that have you? No? I think

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that was great. That was perfect. Like I'm literally sitting here going yes,

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yeah, And I hate when you
honestly, I don't like it when

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you say things of all yourself in
that way, because I see, I

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don't think people know what they're capable
of, only because I didn't pick up

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an art a paint brush until like
six years ago, years ago. Like

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that's true. Literally, I I
was the empty I drew stick figures for

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doctors to say, okay, I
took the bloo pressure lying down. So

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that was the extent of I thought
my artistic abilities. But like the plague

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hit and stuff, and I had
a friend that was selling all these art

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supplies and for whatever reason, I
was like, oh, what the heck,

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I'll grab them yep, and just
started playing with it, you know,

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and it just and that's what's happened
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And so that in and of itself
to me showed me that I really

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don't know what I'm capable of.
And you like and actually try it if

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you have no idea what kind of
creativity is locked inside? You're a musician,

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you have the ability to think creatively. Yes, you don't know,

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you've never picked up a brush,
and went, let me see what I

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can do, but I also have
zero inclination to do it. So that's

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well, that's that's yeah. But
part of what's so impressive about what Jenny

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has done is so it's it's over
the course of our being together that she's

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that she started painting. She's so
she's kind of still in the grand scheme

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of things, relatively new as an
artist, but she's already had showings at

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Mosaic here in Manchester, Tosaic Art
Collective, and she's the featured artist at

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the National U Nashua Creative Collective in
August. Yeah, the Midnight Midnight Creative

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Collectives in August. Yeah, yeah, thank you. They're going to feature

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of my work, which is pretty
exciting. That's awesome, Yeah, nerve

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wracking, exciting. Yes, So
it's it's so impressive to me to just

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see how she's been able to do
that. Oh, by the way,

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speaking of uh Nashua, uh spelfy
Hams's and the Chatterman says, hey,

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everyone just tuned in. Don't know
if you've talked about it yet, but

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Kira is joining us for the Leading
Ladies Show on the nineteenth that Terminus and

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is going to be the mcc Artist
of the Month for November. Nice.

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Well, congratulations, that is fantastic. Yeah, that's fantastic. What what

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is this? Leading Ladies? What's
that? So there's three bands that's going

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to be playing, So Faith and
band is going to be there, and

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then I want to say, it's
another band called Paradise and then my band

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Ashbourne. Okay, but I got
three bands with Leading Ladies. Oh,

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very cool. That's not fun.
July nineteenth, Yes, July nineteenth,

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that's a Friday. M hm,
y doors open eight o'clock. Excellent,

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excellent. That's that Terminus and Nashville. If you haven't been, it's an

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excellent venue. It really is.
I tell everyone because Jenny and I were

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there for the open house, and
the thing I say to everybody is,

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and she's heard me say it a
million times. When you walk in,

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have you you've I assume you've been
there. Yes, it's to me,

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it's like walking into another dimension.
It's hardest walk in that room. Yeah,

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it's totally the tardest, one of
the coolest places I've seen for like

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a music venue. Yeah, Like, I'm so excited. You walk in

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and you think, well, okay, it's kind of small or whatever,

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and then you walk a little further
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opens up into this incredible space that's
just loaded with musicians and artists and oh

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my yeah, yeah, very very
cool. I'm looking forward to being there

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if you're just joining us, A
cure Curtis is here with us live in

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studio. I want to go back
to, though, what you were saying

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about the problem solving with art.
It sounds like do you feel that again?

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For some like, I'm never going
to do it because I just,

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like I said, my brain this
isn't wired for it, but for creating.

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Although like I said, I can, I can do other kinds of

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art, you know, musically and
so forth. Is do you feel like

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creating art helps I mean, is
it just kind of good for your brain

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overall? Like does it help you
with because you mentioned problem solving using art,

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and problem solving helps you outside of
that as well. Oh yeah,

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it also helps with freedom of thought? Yeah, right, because if you

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can think outside of the box,
regardless of whether it's you know, art

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on paper, whether it's writing,
whether it's music, Art in itself is

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a way of creating individual thought and
creating new ideas and challenging you know,

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ideas that might not work anymore,
right because people are forever evolving. That's

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just kind of the whole point of
being human, right, Art is you

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know, a way of problem solving
in the sense of, yes, it's

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it's also visual, but it also
kind of helps in the sense of the

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best way I can explain it.
So it's like we are constantly stimulated by

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it, right, everything that we
see is art, you know. So

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it's like whether it's social media or
phones, t shirts, it's everywhere.

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It's also the same reason why it's
no longer valued because when it's in our

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face all the time, why would
we understand the value when it's something that's

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so easily accessible. Right, So
now it's like there's this idea that art

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is just a means of, you
know, putting feelings on paper. It's

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no longer this idea that we are
you know, taking a problem and solving

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it. It's only seen as this
one facet when it's so much more nuanced

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than that. And even take like
engineering, engineering or architecture that is a

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form of visual art in itself.
There's a lot more mathematics involved, but

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it is still a form of problem
solving. You know, if someone goes

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to fix their house and they want
to add a deck and they want it

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to fit the specific you know,
proportions and measurements, they're going to have

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to be able to visualize that.
You know, So regardless of what it

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is, it is a very necessary
skill across the board, even if it

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is just being able to visualize a
goal. I used to tell my students

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that there is just like it's okay, that it's not something you're good at.

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Think of it as and I'd ask
them like, hey, what do

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you want to do when you grow
up? You know, if they could

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give me a response like okay,
I want you to visualize that, it

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doesn't matter. You know, at
the end of the day, this isn't

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about whether you can or cannot draw. This is about you visualizing the things

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that you want and understanding how to
create a path for yourself to be able

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to achieve that goal, right,
because paths aren't linear. I've definitely bounced

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around a lot. I mean,
I want to you know, I'm pursuing

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my dream, but I mean I've
been all over the place. Sure,

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sure, you know, but I've
been able to collect and build a skill

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set that works for me in pursuing
the path that I choose. So art

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kind of gives that facet of Yeah, it doesn't have to be on paper,

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but at least gives people the skill
set to be able to communicate and

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visualize the things they want and how
to achieve them. A lot of what

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you're saying too resonates with me because
I'm a hypnotherapist and one of the things

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that I do during the session is
I have the client, well, I

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have a standard thing that I do
pretty much at the end of every session

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where I have them visualize, visualize
themselves, but a version of themselves that

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they most want to be, and
I talk about the path to getting there,

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and I have them do this visualization
where they actually step inside that version

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and become that version of who they
want to be. But I always too,

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I tell all of my clients,
even outside of hypnosis, visualization is

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very powerful because everything that we do, everything that we accomplish or create,

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everything that we become, everything that
we achieve, it all starts in our

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imaginations. It all starts with some
sort of visualization. First you imagine it,

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you dream it, you think it, and then you go and accomplish

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it. You do it and make
it real. Oh, A Spelfe in

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the chat room says, I don't
think I can be hypnotized. Anybody can

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be hypnotized. What's that? Everybody
says that? Is it a consent thing?

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Exactly right, It's not like you
see on TV in the movies.

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I can't you know, I can't
hypnotize you against your will. But if

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you want to be hypnotized, I
can't. I tell everybody, really,

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all hypnosis is self hypnosis. I'm
just guiding you through the process, you

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know. But it's like people saying
they can't meditate, but you can.

407
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,480
If you can box breathe, you
can meditate because you know what I mean.

408
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,480
If you really want to change something, then you absolutely can be hypnotized

409
00:28:57,519 --> 00:29:00,759
and affect those changes. But if
you're going to fight against it, this

410
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:06,319
no real point. Something else that
really caught my ear. You were talking

411
00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:08,640
about art not being valued. Can
you expand on that? Oh? Absolutely,

412
00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:12,240
I'm so. It's like, at
least throughout my life I encountered a

413
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,720
lot of people where it's just like, why would you be an artist when

414
00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:18,480
you can go online and print,
like just print things off your printer or

415
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:22,720
you know, I've I've had people
tell me to go get a real job,

416
00:29:23,599 --> 00:29:26,839
like I've Yeah, I've had some
people say some pretty nasty things to

417
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,359
me. But that's okay, that's
that's you know, that's a projection of

418
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,039
them, not of me. But
yeah, I think it's jealousy. I

419
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:37,200
think it's that's jealousy in the sense
that they want to cut you down in

420
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,680
some way and they get less valued. I think it's more than that though.

421
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:45,200
Yeah, I think that deep down
a lot of people have goals that

422
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,960
they wanted and because for whatever reason, whether it was programmed in or whatnot,

423
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:55,720
they felt obligated to pursue a different
path. And that because they themselves

424
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,880
did not believe that they had the
option and they gave up it that in

425
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:06,200
their mind, it isn't an option
for anybody. And so if they were

426
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,720
to accept that it is a valid
path if they choose, if they were

427
00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:14,400
to choose it, they would actually
it would challenge everything they think they currently

428
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,799
understand. Yes, it would.
It'd be an ego death in itself because

429
00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:19,839
they would have to accept that the
world that they understand is not the world

430
00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:22,319
that they thought it was. Right, I really love how you put that,

431
00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:26,799
Ye, thank you. But I
think the same goes for like the

432
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,240
value of art. And so it's
like I said before, it's like when

433
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:36,559
you're overstimulated with it. Rights,
It's like that was it demand supply versus

434
00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:41,440
demand. We have a huge supply
and arguably, at least in the sense

435
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,480
of because people kind of put all
art in the same you know thing,

436
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:49,400
there's more supply than there is demand
for it. Yeah, right, So

437
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:57,640
should you put this? I guess
as a result because if stuff that we

438
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:02,039
see, people don't understand how much
work in time goes into it, and

439
00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:06,160
they don't understand that even like something
like T shirt design is not going to

440
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,960
be the same as a fine artist, right. And it's also not you

441
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,400
know, you're sitting in a corner
at home, Doodling's a lot more to

442
00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:17,400
it, and arguably to be an
artist too. You can't just sit at

443
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,519
home. There are plenty of people
that I've seen, you know who it

444
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,119
was quote the only thing that they
were good at. So they went to

445
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:30,559
art school and they were really good. However, they weren't expecting what comes

446
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:34,119
after, right, which is you
have to be your own entrepreneur. You

447
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,720
have to be your own marketer,
and if you aren't, you have to

448
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,720
find someone who's willing to do it
for you. Right, there's a lot

449
00:31:40,759 --> 00:31:45,440
of time and effort. Arguably being
an artist, the drawing portion of it

450
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,160
is the lesser portion of it.
It's important, you need it to have

451
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,240
a body of work. But to
be successful at art, you have to

452
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:59,559
understand who you're marketing to and like, even if you draw for yourself,

453
00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:04,839
able to identify the people that like
the stuff that you're producing. Like just

454
00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:07,319
just as an example, like avocado
punds are super silly, Like that was

455
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:12,880
an inside joke that I didn't think
was going to go anywhere, but people

456
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:15,839
liked it. It was well received. It was a surprise to me.

457
00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:19,079
But you know what, that's okay, that's a sacrifice I am willing to

458
00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:23,079
make. But like I was able
to find my niche does it make sense

459
00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:29,519
to most people. Maybe not.
You know, I think that my art

460
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,400
may or may not offend some people
because it is humor. So there are

461
00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:38,119
artists that I suspect from conversations I've
had that might resent the fact that I've

462
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:43,920
pursued the humor because they want people
to take art seriously, and so by

463
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:49,720
pursuing a humorous outlet, it might
seem disrespectful to some people because they spend

464
00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:53,680
so much time and energy into making
something that challenges the status quo that the

465
00:32:53,720 --> 00:33:00,160
idea that somebody is making art that
is humorous is offensive to them, which

466
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,759
is kind of interesting, but you
know, it is what it is.

467
00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:08,640
But art subjective and art challenges different
ideas and different perspectives, So there really

468
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:14,519
isn't any right or wrong to it. But anyway, I got sidetracked.

469
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,799
I think that that's a big portion
of it. Though people don't understand the

470
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:22,880
amount of time investment that it requires
to actually make those things. And then

471
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,920
when you add AI into the mix
as well, it's like now it is

472
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,079
at their fingertips. They can literally
just type it into an engine. So

473
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,559
now, because they didn't have the
context required to understand how much time and

474
00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:36,799
effort it not only takes to make
a piece, but edit a piece,

475
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,599
market a piece, why would they, you know? And it'd be wrong

476
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:45,160
to blame people for it because as
artists, we have not provided the context

477
00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:51,559
necessary for people to understand. So
now we're in a pickle because now people,

478
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,440
because they already didn't understand it,
are moving to AI because they want

479
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,640
to be artists too and don't have
the skill set or foundation to do so.

480
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,440
And you know, we just haven't
been open about, you know,

481
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,640
the process and how much time it
takes, especially since a lot of us,

482
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,239
you know, I'm not an introvert. I got lucky in that particular

483
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:12,000
regard, but most partists aren't.
They're introverted. They just want to stay

484
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,440
home in their happy place and make
their art and do stuff behind a computer

485
00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:19,519
screen. But they're not talking face
to face with their community, right right.

486
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:23,360
You know, I think as you're
talking about this, it occurs to

487
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:28,760
me, you know, because something
that I've talked about a lot on the

488
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:37,239
show over the years is how musicians
very often will approach music as they think,

489
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:42,559
if what they're doing is really great, that something is going to happen

490
00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:45,559
to them to help them be successful, and they don't, you know,

491
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:47,880
just as you were talking about,
you know, there's some entrepreneurial steps that

492
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,199
you have to take to market yourself
and to get yourself out there. And

493
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,199
it's just like with music. You
know, a lot of musicians I like

494
00:34:54,239 --> 00:35:00,000
to talk about the mythical record company
scout that doesn't exis anymore and hasn't for

495
00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:02,400
a long time. But but there's
people who still believe, you know,

496
00:35:02,679 --> 00:35:07,559
I'm gonna go out, I'm gonna
play these bars and uh, because what

497
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:12,000
I'm doing is so great that eventually
a record company scout's going to wander in

498
00:35:12,119 --> 00:35:15,079
and see me on stage and be
so impressed they're going to give me a

499
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:16,960
ten album deal and fly me out
to LA and the whole thing. Yeah,

500
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:22,519
and and you know, even twenty
years ago that was pretty statistically unlikely

501
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:28,079
to happen. But but I feel
like it sounds like you're you're kind of

502
00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:30,960
saying too. It's it's not just
with music, but probably with any kind

503
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,840
of art. Right, there's there's
people who just think, if I do

504
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,639
this amazing work and maybe I just
put it online somewhere, people are going

505
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,000
to see it and they're going to
be so impressed with what I've done,

506
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,440
when really it's like, you know, it's an old cliche, but it's

507
00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:45,039
valid. You know, if a
tree falls in the forest and you know

508
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:49,360
no one's around here, it doesn't
make a sound. If what you're doing,

509
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,400
no matter what it is, music
or visual art or anything, if

510
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:57,840
you're creating things, but you're not
putting in the effort to make those connect

511
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,480
and do like you did, you
know, printing business card and going to

512
00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:01,880
businesses and talking to people. You
know, if you don't do that part,

513
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,440
if you're not willing to do that
part, or or find someone who's

514
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,199
willing to help you with that part, then you know you're kind of you're

515
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:13,199
kind of dead in the water.
Yep, yep. The other thing too,

516
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,599
I'd like to hear more of your
thoughts on and Jenny probably would too.

517
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:21,440
As you mentioned AI. That's been
a subject on the show that we

518
00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:23,719
visit from time to time, and
again more with music because you know,

519
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:30,159
there's there's a lot happening in the
music industry right now legally in terms of

520
00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:32,559
AI and and how to deal with
it. And I think the last time

521
00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:36,119
we talked about it on the show, we were talking about I think it

522
00:36:36,119 --> 00:36:40,440
was Universal Music Group was threatening these
AI companies if they find out that they're

523
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:45,840
they're using Universal Music artists to train
their AI models, and it's it's a

524
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,920
whole thing, and it's fair,
and I have a lot of mixed feelings

525
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,760
about it myself. I mean,
you know, I'll always advocate on the

526
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,880
side of artists but but I do
have I don't know, I have a

527
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,239
lot of mixed feelings about it,
but I'm really curious to hear what you

528
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:04,719
think. So it's one of those
like I try to see both sides of

529
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:09,239
it because like I am an artist. So it's like, okay, the

530
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,119
fact that the fact of the matter
is it can't create new things. What

531
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:19,480
it can do is it can create
mashing things up that already exists right now.

532
00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:22,400
Are there potential uses for it?
Is there a market for it?

533
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:27,639
Absolutely? Like you know, if
Joe plays Dungeons and Dragons, you know,

534
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,760
and just once an avatar for his
freaking character, you know, he's

535
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:36,280
not necessarily going to want to spend
sixty dollars, you know, to commission

536
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,199
somebody. So I can understand that
side of it, because there are plenty

537
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,840
of people who, you know,
they might even commission atwork, but they

538
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,840
might not want to buy something,
especially if it's a throwaway character, you

539
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:50,880
know, building campaigns and stuff like
that. So for purposes like that for

540
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,639
the general public, I totally get
it. But then there's the issue of

541
00:37:53,920 --> 00:38:00,400
consent, and that's the big conundrum. Now. I kind of feel like,

542
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:05,679
if best case scenario, I think
It's one of those things where it's

543
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,719
a tool, you know, and
just like any other tool, you know,

544
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,920
it can either create a lot of
good or it can be a lot

545
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,199
of bad, And it's just a
matter of how we use the tool personally.

546
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:16,760
What I think that we should be
doing, because I think it's a

547
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:22,079
mistake to run around protesting AI because
we're not educating people. And the problem

548
00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:25,320
is it's like, you know,
when you scream at somebody and tell them

549
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:30,199
now and that person doesn't understand why
it's a bad thing, all you're doing

550
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,920
is reaffirming that they're just going to
go for AI harder, I guess,

551
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,559
is what I'm trying to say,
because again they don't have the foundation or

552
00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:43,159
training or understanding to understand why it's
valuable to begin with and why it's a

553
00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:47,800
skill set that's necessary. Right I'm
you know, so it's like, okay,

554
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,960
so how can we work around that? I don't think, I mean,

555
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,199
regardless of what people feel about AI, I don't think it's going anywhere.

556
00:38:54,519 --> 00:39:00,320
What I think is that we need
to find a reasonable solution to find

557
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,800
better ways to use AI that don't
hurt the don't hurt artists. So how

558
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,599
do we do that. Well,
I'm Pandora when that was a thing,

559
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,920
Like I know, when music became
a lot more easy to get a hold

560
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,719
of, but artists weren't necessarily getting
compensated the way that they should. Yeah,

561
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:22,159
well that's also been a pretty consistent
subject on the show. Yeah,

562
00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:27,079
but it's just like if we could
find a way to create where it's AI

563
00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:30,639
becomes its own field. So basically
artists could consent, right, they'd have

564
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:36,679
to sign a contract because consent is
key here. Then they could put their

565
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,320
art into the program, right,
and so then they're getting compensated for the

566
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:45,159
art that they're putting and it gives
them exposure. Right. But the other

567
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,000
key factor too is they would need
to be cited. So just like on

568
00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:51,440
Pandora, when an artist comes up, it would list, you know,

569
00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:54,119
the artist in the name of the
song, the AI would need to just

570
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:59,719
basically list what it pulled from.
Because then it's like people know where to

571
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,679
find the art if they like it. The artist is being credited and the

572
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,960
person is still getting what they want, just like Pandora. Right, maybe

573
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,519
if maybe it's a small fee,
maybe it's like eight ten cents go to

574
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:13,639
somebody each time it's pulled from right. Oh. Interesting, Okay, So

575
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,199
it's like, in that way,
the artist is getting credited, they're being

576
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:22,039
compensated, and they're getting exposure,
while the person who is you know,

577
00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:25,159
using the AI engine is still getting
what they want. So if Joe wants

578
00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:28,960
a D and D character, he
can still have his D and D character

579
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,480
while the artist is being compensated.
It's like AI is not going anywhere.

580
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,760
We just need to figure out how
to use it in a means that makes

581
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,760
everybody happy. Yeah, you know, but I think right now, along

582
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:45,440
with a lot of other things,
we are just too angry to like as

583
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:50,000
a as a whole in a society
that we are not looking at viable solutions

584
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,480
to be able to reasonably construct,
you know, a way around a big

585
00:40:54,519 --> 00:41:00,280
issue, you know, to find
a solution. Spelfia says of the I

586
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,880
know a tattoo artist that has started
using AI because he is sick of spending

587
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,719
hours on a design, and then
the client says they don't like it.

588
00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:14,159
Oh, that's interesting, that's interesting. I mean I've also seen artists with

589
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,679
I mean I personally know somebody who
are a couple of somebodies who are tattoo

590
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,119
artists that use AI to generate the
work, and then they'll like piece things

591
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:28,239
together in Photoshop and then they'll just
create the stencil. So they don't actually

592
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,599
know how to draw. They don't
they know how to tattoo, but they

593
00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:36,599
don't actually know how to draw,
so because they're just tattooing over the stencil.

594
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:42,800
Oh, so that's I've got mixed
I've got real mixed feelings about that.

595
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,280
But it's one of those like at
that point, though, I feel

596
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,800
like there's going to be a divide
even in the tattoo industry. Are you

597
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,119
a tattoo artist or are you just
a tattoo wer, Because tattooing a stencil,

598
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,159
in my eyes, is not the
same as being a tattoo artist.

599
00:41:57,519 --> 00:42:00,519
You can be a tattooer. You
can be someone who does the act of

600
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:04,599
putting ink in someone's skin and being
good at it. They might even be

601
00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:07,639
skilled at it, right, but
that does not mean they might even be

602
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,280
have figured out how to shade.
But that does not mean that I would

603
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:15,800
quantify them as an artist when they
don't actually have the skill set to be

604
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:21,079
able to draw or composed their own
ideas. But that's the whole concept of

605
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,760
freedom of thought. Is somebody a
free thinker or are they falling back on

606
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:30,840
ideas of others in order to succeed? You know, But I also think

607
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,519
that freedom of thought is being discouraged
right now. I mean, in general,

608
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:39,239
independence is slowly being whittled away in
general. Yeah, the only thing

609
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:45,360
I've used when Dolly three first came
out, I used it to try to

610
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,480
make a We did a segment on
the show when I don't know if you

611
00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:52,039
followed it at all, but when
Darryl Hall and John Oates had their initial

612
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,679
lawsuit they're falling out. We did
a whole segment about it on the show,

613
00:42:57,639 --> 00:43:00,639
and I tried to make so I
I took that segment and I put

614
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:04,920
it on YouTube, and I wanted
to make a thumbnail of I asked.

615
00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:07,519
I think it's the only thing I
ever really tried with Dolly three. I

616
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:14,079
asked it to create an image of
Daryl Hall and John Oates in a boxing

617
00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:20,000
ring having a fight. It wouldn't
do it it because I guess there's certain

618
00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:28,360
restrictions about violent imagery and or or
putting celebrities in violent situations and so forth,

619
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,880
so I had to It was an
interesting process because it's kind of like

620
00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:36,400
it's almost like you have to negotiate
with it, you know, to try

621
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:37,480
to get it to create what you
want. In fact, Jenny and I

622
00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:44,280
attended I forget the gentleman's name now
at most Yeah, a thing. It

623
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,480
was a discussion about a Yeah,
it was really interesting. But he kind

624
00:43:47,519 --> 00:43:52,079
of described the same thing trying to
get Dolly three to create certain things and

625
00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:58,199
having to kind of manipulate it almost
into into creating what he wanted anyway.

626
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,639
With with the with my YouTube nail, what I ended up with the best

627
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:07,360
I could get it to do was
Darryl and John uh playing chess in a

628
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,960
chess match. I got it to
create that, and then I I said,

629
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,039
can you make them look angry?
And it was willing to do that.

630
00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:16,719
So it's an image of them,
Yeah, look at you know,

631
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,840
just kind of glaring at each other
angrily over a chessboard. So but but

632
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,639
it was it was an interesting process
because I couldn't get it to do exactly

633
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:30,599
what I wanted, and they don't
exactly look like Holling Oates either. But

634
00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:34,159
but you know it's going to become
its own thing. Yeah, yeah,

635
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,440
just like anything else. Yeah,
but it was, you know, close

636
00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:43,360
enough for a YouTube thumbnail. Oh
the time goes so fast, it's already

637
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:51,559
quarter of what so going forward?
I mean, do you do you have

638
00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:54,800
any specific priorities in terms of is
are the number one thing in music a

639
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,079
second or or do you think of
it that way? Or do you just

640
00:44:58,119 --> 00:45:00,920
think of all of it as as
being important to you? Or oh so

641
00:45:01,039 --> 00:45:05,599
all if it's important. I feel
like music is always going to have a

642
00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:08,400
special place in my heart, Like
I don't. I mean, I think

643
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,000
if it came down to it,
if I if if some you know,

644
00:45:12,199 --> 00:45:14,400
in theory, if someone were to
walk up to me and be like,

645
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:15,199
hey, do you want to do
music the rest of your life full time,

646
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:19,840
I'd be like, hell yeah,
sign me up, like without hesitation.

647
00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:25,760
Yeah. But art and music for
me are kind of symbiotic. Long

648
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:30,079
term, I'm looking to merge the
art, music, and metaphysical community.

649
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:35,719
Okay, So it's like, because
I very much work with all three of

650
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,159
those communities, and there's so much
overlap, and it's such all three or

651
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:45,159
such creative communities, so why not
try to combine them? So right now

652
00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:47,039
it's like they kind of work.
They feed off of each other, is

653
00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:51,159
what I'm trying to say, right
right, I'm curious what you do too?

654
00:45:51,519 --> 00:45:54,760
Metaphysically. We had we had recently
on the show the Sister Witch Company.

655
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:58,679
Oh, I did one of their
shows in Manchester. Oh excellent.

656
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,679
Yeah were you at the show with
the because they do the Basonic Lodge.

657
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,360
You were at that one? Yeah, it was back in like April.

658
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,199
Oh okay, okay, Yeah,
they're amazing. I I went and had

659
00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:12,599
a meeting with them actually yesterday,
because we're going to be I shouldn't talk

660
00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:15,159
about it yet until it's definitely happening. But good, good things are coming.

661
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:20,000
But but what what so what do
you do in that in that realm?

662
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,519
So to speak? So I do
palm readings, I do terror readings.

663
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:30,400
I have sessed people's spaces out before
because I am also a medium,

664
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:35,800
so I do stuff like that as
well. It's kind of it's kind of

665
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,440
mixed. I do also sell supplies
for it, so things like sage and

666
00:46:39,559 --> 00:46:45,000
crystals, do like build your own
pocket spells. I try to just be

667
00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:49,519
informational because it was kind of a
it was not a journey I sought out,

668
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:54,920
but it was the journey I ended
up with that explain that if you

669
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,320
could what what do you mean,
like, is it something that just kind

670
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,719
of happened where you Oh, it
was one of those like I had an

671
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:07,800
abrupt to spiritual reawakening, and it
kind of set me on a journey of

672
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:15,199
a lot of unanswered questions, and
I didn't really know how, Like I

673
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:20,719
was having trouble making sense of what
it is that I was seeing and experiencing,

674
00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:25,719
especially with other people because in a
good chunk of these instances, they

675
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,199
were also additionally physical people that I
was with, Okay, So it wasn't

676
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,760
like was it in my head?
Was it not in my head? It

677
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,280
was like, oh my God,
we all just saw that right, like,

678
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:43,880
you know, but which was kind
of hard because like my family was

679
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,440
always very religious, so it was
always like, if it ain't Jesus,

680
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:52,880
don't talk to it. But at
the same time, though, not finding

681
00:47:52,960 --> 00:48:00,559
answers was becoming a problem. So
I went to a lot of different religious

682
00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:05,719
people who were like pastors, priests, didn't get anywhere. I got the

683
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,079
same answer, like God's got a
special purpose for you. If it ain't

684
00:48:09,159 --> 00:48:15,119
Jesus, don't talk to it.
Like that's helpful, thanks. So I

685
00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:17,480
ended up kind of finding my own
answers. So I'm very all in,

686
00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:21,920
all out kind of persons. That's
kind of how I ended up jumping down

687
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:27,400
the tarot rabbit hole, where it
was like because I had spirits who were

688
00:48:27,519 --> 00:48:32,119
interacting with not just myself but people
who were around me. And I had

689
00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:36,000
a friend at the time who was
a terror reader, and every time she

690
00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:39,199
pulled cards, it was the same
cards in the same order every single time.

691
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:43,119
Really, oh yeah, it was
super weird. It was wicked weird,

692
00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:45,199
and I had a whole existential crisis. I was like, Oh my

693
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:52,320
god, why it's so weird.
But that also piqued my curiosity, so

694
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:57,480
then I ended up buying my own
deck, And I also ended up jumping

695
00:48:57,519 --> 00:49:01,840
down the numerology rabbit hole and the
astrology rabbit hole and palm rating and all

696
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,880
this other stuff. And I found
that a lot of the metaphysical stuff actually

697
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,199
ties into a lot of physical things. So like, for instance, your

698
00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:15,000
palm is your biological imprint of where
you're currently at. So it's like every

699
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,599
time you make a decision, every
time something happens to you, your body

700
00:49:17,639 --> 00:49:22,880
has a chemical reaction your biology is
going to respond to, and it just

701
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:27,559
so happens that you know the lines
on your hand actually mirror what you're going

702
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:32,239
through on a biological level level,
right, So it's like there are physical

703
00:49:34,639 --> 00:49:37,559
relationships with these things. It's not
just you know, hoodoo, voodoo,

704
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:43,480
you know whatever, or even like
frequencies things that people would talk about where

705
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,679
it's like, you know, let's
say there's like an evil spirit. A

706
00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:49,119
lot of that is on a frequency
level. But if you go into like

707
00:49:49,159 --> 00:49:54,440
scientific studies on frequencies, some of
them can be harmful. I'm blanking on

708
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:59,840
what the frequency is called, but
there are some frequencies that can cause psychopathy.

709
00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:04,679
I've I've read a little bit about
this a long time ago. Somebody

710
00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:06,840
got me interested in it, but
it was, like I said, it

711
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,280
was quite a while ago, so
I don't know what you know. I'm

712
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,920
sure there's more research that's been done
on it. But yeah, but that

713
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:15,719
is that is very interesting. I'm
curious. I don't know if you want

714
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,719
to if you're not comfortable answering this, understand, but I am curious if

715
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:25,760
if it's cause any issue with your
family and all that that laugh answers it,

716
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:31,719
Uh, in their eyes, I
might as well be sacrificing babies.

717
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:37,559
Oh no, oh yeah, is
that the case? Am I sacrificing babies,

718
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:42,079
absolutely freaking not. But this in
the eyes of my family, I

719
00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:45,119
might as well be Oh wow,
yeah, that's it is what it is.

720
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:50,280
Yeah, I'm sorry to hear that. I mean, so there's there

721
00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:58,840
you don't do you not interact with
them or or do you for different reasons?

722
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:01,199
No, but I'm not going to
get into that right now. But

723
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:06,599
no, I I don't have much
contact with my family. Yeah. Yeah,

724
00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:10,079
well no, that's that's too bad. But but I mean that's what

725
00:51:10,159 --> 00:51:15,599
chosen families exactly exactly. Yeah.
Oh sorry, sorry, sorry, go

726
00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:22,199
ahead, Yeah, I hear you. And sometimes the families we create are

727
00:51:22,199 --> 00:51:28,360
better than the ones were supposedly related
to. Yeah, I agree. Oh.

728
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,280
By the way, Spelfie had made
a comment to uh in the chat

729
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:36,119
because you were talking about, you
know, kind of mixing these different modalities.

730
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:40,159
She said, Uh, Kira is
doing an art class at the MCC

731
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:45,119
painting tarot cards. So you actually
so you're actually painting the tarot cards.

732
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:46,880
So basically, so I have a
bunch of decks, so I'm going to

733
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:51,159
bring them in and people can choose
what card they want from what out of

734
00:51:51,159 --> 00:51:52,599
her deck, Okay, and so
it'll be like that will be their reference.

735
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,119
Yeah, and then I'll have like
paper and stuff so they can actually

736
00:51:57,199 --> 00:52:00,440
kind of meditate on it. Because
with error cards, because each each tarot

737
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,320
deck is going to communicate a little
differently. So while each card means,

738
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,079
you know, across different terror decks
mean the same things, the pictures communicate

739
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:10,119
differently, right, so the way
that they read is going to differ.

740
00:52:10,599 --> 00:52:15,280
Okay, So the idea is when
you get a Teraroor deck, you're actually

741
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,000
supposed to meditate with it, and
if you're going to go really deep into

742
00:52:19,079 --> 00:52:22,360
it, you got to. You're
supposed to meditate with every single card because

743
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,719
you're going to develop a relationship with
each card on a spiritual level. Yeah.

744
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,880
Have I done that? No,
I've done that once with one card,

745
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,599
but I just I never sat down
with a whole deck. But I

746
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:37,639
will say it's a very very interesting
experience. But anyway, I digress.

747
00:52:37,039 --> 00:52:40,679
The idea is they'll pick a card
that they resonate with and they are going

748
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:46,119
to paint that card. Okay,
interesting, very interesting. Wow, Kiara,

749
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:50,239
we are rapidly approaching the top of
the hour. This has been a

750
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,719
wonderful conversation. I'm so glad you
came in thank you. I want to

751
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:57,599
make sure everybody knows what they need
to know to find you online, keep

752
00:52:57,679 --> 00:53:00,440
up with everything that you're doing your
website, any social media you want us

753
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,239
to know about, and any any
events that you have coming up that you

754
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,400
want to put out there too.
Oh, my band's going to be playing

755
00:53:06,519 --> 00:53:08,480
not just at the Terminus, We're
also going to be playing at Root Awakening

756
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:14,239
the next day, on July twentieth. I want to say, it's from

757
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,320
eight till eleven. Where is that. It's in Nashua, Nashua. It's

758
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,960
actually not too far away from the
Terminus. Oh okay, but it's off

759
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:27,280
the main road, which is kind
of cool. Yeah, and then that's

760
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,400
the big thing. I mean,
I'm at the one dry flea market every

761
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,360
weekend on Sundays. Okay, okay, yeah, very good, very good.

762
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:37,960
And the website, oh Kira Curtis
dot rt k E I R A

763
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:44,400
c U R T I S dot
art okay, very good dot art.

764
00:53:44,519 --> 00:53:46,360
Yeah. Yeah, I was pretty
excited. I saw that was an option

765
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,199
for a domain. I was like, yeah, yeah, there's there's all

766
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,480
kinds of options for domains now.
Yeah, it's it's kind of interesting,

767
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:59,480
kind of a random question. But
I'm curious, is anyone ever misspelled your

768
00:53:59,519 --> 00:54:05,639
first name all the time all the
time. I can't like almost everything,

769
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,599
but K E I R A.
But I also had the weird Gaelic spelling

770
00:54:08,639 --> 00:54:13,960
and the English spellings K I E
R A. Yeah, so everybody thinks

771
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,519
I before E or they give me
like the Kira from Death Note. Always

772
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:22,119
always find out real quick if someone
watches and animes the first thing out,

773
00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:25,679
it's like, oh, like from
Death Note close but no cigar. Oh

774
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:30,119
that's funny. Yeah, yeah,
what can you do? That is what

775
00:54:30,159 --> 00:54:34,599
it is? At least memorable?
Yeah, exactly. There you go,

776
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,280
all right, and we're gonna end
with So this is something that it's on

777
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:43,440
YouTube. You recorded a cover of
I Have Nothing by Whitney Houston. So

778
00:54:43,519 --> 00:54:47,400
we'll give that a listen to and
the segment any any are you any particular

779
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:52,159
reason you chose that song to to
record a cover of. I really like

780
00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:58,599
Whitney Houston. She's definitely somebody that
I look up to as far as like

781
00:54:58,599 --> 00:55:00,920
her career is concerned. Yeah,
so it just kind of gives me a

782
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:06,400
goal of all in mind. I
also just like challenging songs. Yeah,

783
00:55:06,519 --> 00:55:08,639
it's definitely something I've been working on
over the last like year or two,

784
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:15,400
strengthening my vocal range. Actually bronchitis. When I recorded that, yeah,

785
00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:20,400
no, oh wow, Is that
part of why you did it to challenge

786
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,400
yourself? No, I actually didn't
know I had a bronchial infection. I

787
00:55:23,519 --> 00:55:28,880
was sick for a little over a
year, which sucked. I didn't know

788
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,559
what was wrong. I had had
bronchitis like September, so this was back

789
00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:39,000
in twenty twenty two. But I
had gotten sick and then I went to

790
00:55:39,039 --> 00:55:45,599
the doctor. I have asthma,
that matters. They gave me the steroids,

791
00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:47,000
and then I thought it was over
with. But then if I was

792
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:52,400
up for a little too long,
I kept getting resick over and over and

793
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,559
over again, and then my vocal
range cat in like half wow, where

794
00:55:55,599 --> 00:55:59,599
like I lost a good chunk of
it. But then I was like,

795
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,840
is am I doing something wrong?
I thought I was dehydrated, you know.

796
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,639
I thought maybe I pushed myself too
hard because I do have a history

797
00:56:05,639 --> 00:56:07,280
of not sleeping. So I was
like, maybe it caught up with me.

798
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:12,280
And then I got really sick again, and come to find out that

799
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,079
I was still sick with bronchitis.
Okay, so I was like, are

800
00:56:15,079 --> 00:56:19,360
you kidding me? I've had bronchitis
for over a year now, it can

801
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,760
linger. Yeah, I've known people
that's happened to apparently with asthma. So

802
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:29,199
with asthma, it doesn't go away. You have to you have to get

803
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:30,800
it treated. Like they had to
hook me up to a breathing machine more

804
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:37,719
than once because I wasn't getting enough
oxygen. But yeah, so essentially they

805
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,440
can put you on steroids, but
that won't necessarily cure it. So they

806
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:44,960
had to put me on steroids,
and they had to put me on antibiotics,

807
00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:47,639
and like I wasn't even sure it
killed it then because apparently, again

808
00:56:49,199 --> 00:56:53,039
asthma, it don't go away.
So I'm after like a year of that

809
00:56:54,119 --> 00:56:57,239
finally went away. But a lot
of the stuff on my channel, I

810
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,800
still had bronchitis. Oh wow.
I was just like, I'm getting my

811
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:05,559
yeah yeah, but no, I've
got my voice back now. Yeah,

812
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:09,599
I'm pretty happy about it. You
worked through it, yeah, yeah.

813
00:57:09,639 --> 00:57:14,320
Well okay, so we'll give this
a listen, and Kira thank you again

814
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:19,159
so much. Absolutely absolutely all right
here it is Kira Curtis, I have

815
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:50,480
nothing by Whitney, Houston, Hfe. Take me for one Kuzona, but

816
00:57:50,920 --> 00:58:07,440
change, Oh my colorgey love.
I'll never rise sport. You move just

817
00:58:07,639 --> 00:58:19,719
to that you and everything man you
do. I don't really need to look

818
00:58:20,719 --> 00:58:25,760
very much further. I don't want
to have to go where you don't follow.

819
00:58:27,559 --> 00:58:31,199
I want to hold it back again, this passion inside. Get to

820
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:42,599
run from myself. There's no lead
up. Don't make babel who's running with

821
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:55,239
them? I don't wanna anymore.
It's times, it master time. Don't

822
00:58:55,400 --> 00:59:09,800
get you there, don't walk away
from I haven't nothing anything if I don't

823
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:31,719
have you. You you You see
the room right to the horn of me.

824
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:45,800
You break down my walls with the
strength of your low I never't know

825
00:59:47,079 --> 00:59:52,519
love thing. Why do you wi