1 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:21,399 What is up, fellow thermonuclear affors certified sikos Alike, I am Pampa Valley 2 00:00:21,399 --> 00:00:25,800 coming at you as always with my certified fantabulous co host, mister Grant Hughes. 3 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,079 We are wrapping up our off season look aheads for every team. We've 4 00:00:29,079 --> 00:00:31,839 already done twenty five. We're about to do the Southeast Division and do our 5 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,920 final five write in time for the NBA Draft. This will go out on 6 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:36,679 the first day of the NBA Draft, and a lot of this stuff will 7 00:00:36,679 --> 00:00:40,560 still be Germane as we get into free agency and trade so go check all 8 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,880 those out and just as the reminder subscribe flood the comments. I have a 9 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,359 question. Let's see if the prompt I don't care where you listen. If 10 00:00:46,359 --> 00:00:49,079 you're listening to this on Spotify or Apple, head to the comment section of 11 00:00:49,119 --> 00:00:54,200 YouTube. Give us your boldest prediction for the off season that you actually believe. 12 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,719 I don't want to say Luca Antis just traded to the Pelicans or something 13 00:00:56,759 --> 00:01:00,000 like something that you actually believe. So head down to the comments right now. 14 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,600 I don't care where you're listening or watching this, and give us your 15 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:07,040 boldest take for the NBA offseason period that you actually again believe And with that, 16 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,719 mister Hughes, how's it going. It's going well. I think it's 17 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,879 perfect that we're recording this one as close to the draft as possible, because 18 00:01:15,879 --> 00:01:19,079 the first team we're gonna hit uh is going to be a relevant draft team. 19 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,159 I would say he's considering they have the number one pick, but we're 20 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,079 not going to talk about much draft stuff because that's a great way to get 21 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:30,879 this whole thing incredibly stale, but everything. What's your prediction on? So 22 00:01:30,079 --> 00:01:33,599 let's make him at the Hawks. Let's just go there. Who's your prediction 23 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,680 on is it? Do you think it's just Zachary Resache? Yeah, kinda, 24 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,200 I think I think that that. I mean, that feels like the 25 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:46,120 most likely. I'm just like, so just deeply underwhelmed by that pick, 26 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,560 aren't you. Yes, the right pick is Cody Williams or Ron Holland, 27 00:01:49,599 --> 00:01:51,680 I think, but they're not gonna be brave enough to make it. I 28 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,120 think I'd rather have Alex sar If i'm them, then I think so too. 29 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,079 Boy. I watched some Ron Holland film finally the other day. I 30 00:01:57,719 --> 00:02:01,239 get it. I'm kind of sol you know, I understand the question shout 31 00:02:01,239 --> 00:02:05,560 out please, reports Jonathan Wassonman for like he should get a cut of his 32 00:02:05,599 --> 00:02:07,400 if he gets moved on the draft of thing. Well, and to be 33 00:02:07,479 --> 00:02:13,080 fair, like seventy five percent of my like open mindedness towards Holland is because 34 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,240 wass said he liked them, like, well, I'm gonna defer to someone 35 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:23,639 who's spent several years watching this guy not do anything to diminish our infatuation with 36 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:28,039 Cody Williams. Though like that was also notable. He wasn't like he was 37 00:02:28,039 --> 00:02:30,240 like you like you guys might have a point there. I don't. I 38 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,840 don't like, Oh we convinced the draft guy, good job us. So 39 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,840 I'll start us off with the Atlanta Hawks vitals here but ironically so what they're 40 00:02:39,879 --> 00:02:43,639 fury free agents a deep bay. He's restricted, but he's coming off that 41 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,199 ACL injury, so it'll be interesting to see what happens with him. And 42 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:47,879 then they have a team option on Garrison Matthews, which I would just pick 43 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:53,919 up if I were them. However, their salary cap situation gets incredibly not 44 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,639 complicated, but it's more complicated because they won the number one pick. It's 45 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,319 a good problem to have, but they're just in the luxury tax right now 46 00:03:00,319 --> 00:03:02,879 by like a million or two million bucks. That is not going to stand. 47 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:07,039 Like they're just they're gonna dump salary. Whether it's part as a trade 48 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,280 or if they're just trying to offload clink upel into someone's cap space, they 49 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,599 will end up doing something like that. We can get into those machinations in 50 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,479 a little bit. Their best spending tool. I think it'll end up being 51 00:03:16,479 --> 00:03:21,439 the non taxpayer mL which as reminders projected to be a twelve point nine million. 52 00:03:21,719 --> 00:03:23,039 Will they actually use it, though, Like I have no idea where 53 00:03:23,039 --> 00:03:28,639 this team is going at this point. Jalen Johnson, he's extension eligible a 54 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,960 max of four years one hundred and seventy three point seven million or five years 55 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,000 and two hundred and twenty four point nine. It wouldn't shock me if he 56 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,960 got the four year max. I know he's had some health issues, but 57 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,280 I think people will be much like they were with Devin Vessel and Jane McDaniels, 58 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:45,159 if they agree to an extension with Jalen Johnson, I think there might 59 00:03:45,159 --> 00:03:49,439 be some sticker shock. I would have some I think I don't know if 60 00:03:49,439 --> 00:03:52,360 that's right or wrong, but I would have some sticker shock there. Trey 61 00:03:52,439 --> 00:03:55,840 Young is also extension eligible. The number to me is is fuzzy. Bobby 62 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,680 Marks I think had written his three years and one fifty seven point seven, 63 00:03:59,719 --> 00:04:00,960 but I I can't get to that number. I keep winding up at three 64 00:04:01,039 --> 00:04:04,719 years and one sixty five point eight. Trey AM's extension eligible. That's all 65 00:04:04,719 --> 00:04:08,520 that matters, that he can sign for an additional up to three years. 66 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,199 So where do you want to go with this team? Like that is the 67 00:04:12,199 --> 00:04:16,000 biggest question. Just which, if either of Trey Young or de Jonta Murray 68 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,600 do you move? And what do you make of I texted you this the 69 00:04:18,639 --> 00:04:23,600 minute I heard it, But on the Dunkedown Prime podcast, Jake Fisher said 70 00:04:23,639 --> 00:04:28,399 that Trey Young is far more likely, far more likely was the phrasing to 71 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,920 be traded than de Jontay Murray. So what do you kind of make of 72 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,240 that? I mean, the far more likely is a little bit surprising to 73 00:04:33,319 --> 00:04:38,519 me, and that's as someone that has kind of decided that, I think, 74 00:04:38,519 --> 00:04:42,360 if you're gonna do anything consequential with the Hawk's roster, it does need 75 00:04:42,399 --> 00:04:46,279 to be a Trey Young trade. I just thought that because Murray the number 76 00:04:46,439 --> 00:04:48,319 the salary is so much smaller, the fit is easier. You're not like 77 00:04:48,399 --> 00:04:51,480 changing your whole team. If he's on it, you might have more suitors, 78 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,600 and so that would make him pretty likely to be traded. But I 79 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:00,199 guess, like what I take from that is that Atlanta is serious about we 80 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:05,480 want to be pretty fundamentally different team because like, trading Murray doesn't do that, 81 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,519 I don't think, certainly not to the same degree as trading Young does. 82 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,279 So that makes it interesting. And also just in general, like it's 83 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,319 kind of wild that the team with the number one overall pick in the draft, 84 00:05:15,439 --> 00:05:19,120 like that fact is like, no, it's not something I'm thinking all 85 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:24,680 that hard about for their offseason because there's this other looming like bigger change, 86 00:05:24,759 --> 00:05:27,480 right, Like, I think that's that's a pretty rare place for them to 87 00:05:27,519 --> 00:05:30,319 be. Well, it's it's super unique in two ways because they were just 88 00:05:30,319 --> 00:05:33,759 trying to win this price season with a number one pick, and then also 89 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:39,319 you view it as okay, they should either move this number one pick till 90 00:05:39,399 --> 00:05:41,439 get a media talent, and then it helped them to continue to win. 91 00:05:41,639 --> 00:05:44,120 But this draft doesn't have that kind of value and quite friendly. The Hawks 92 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,279 aren't good enough to punt on it, but then you would view it as 93 00:05:46,319 --> 00:05:47,759 well, why not just kind of strip it down and rebuild? And you 94 00:05:47,759 --> 00:05:51,399 can't really do that when the Spurs control your draft picks in twenty five, 95 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,959 twenty six and twenty seven to the twenty six to one is a swap, 96 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,399 And so I come at it from the perspective of I actually think it's more 97 00:05:59,439 --> 00:06:02,079 likely they wind up keeping both Murray and Trey than trading Trey, because I 98 00:06:02,079 --> 00:06:04,439 do think he's a more dominant player. I think you could also make the 99 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:11,040 case that Murray's worth more in the current trade climate because his contract is just 100 00:06:11,079 --> 00:06:14,560 so easier to maneuver and it should wind up being a bargain as a salary 101 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,439 cap rises by projects to be ten percent each year. But there's also the 102 00:06:18,439 --> 00:06:21,120 school of thought, and I do think I believe you're the one of the 103 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:27,439 people who subscribe to this that you don't actually believe that moving Tray young is 104 00:06:28,199 --> 00:06:30,120 forces you to go into some kind of kind of rebuild. You could argue, 105 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,319 if you keep Murray and reorient around him, whoever you take at number 106 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,879 one, some of the players that are still there, Jon Johnson, that 107 00:06:35,959 --> 00:06:42,120 you're as good, if not better off. It's just like a yeah, 108 00:06:42,319 --> 00:06:45,199 I don't I don't think. I think it's like a I don't know what 109 00:06:45,199 --> 00:06:47,959 the we have like four words to describe how you like start over with a 110 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,839 team. Is it like a reset or a retool or a rebuild, like 111 00:06:51,319 --> 00:06:57,079 whichever of those you want to use. I don't think moving Young forces you 112 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,560 to be like, oh man, this thing's down to the studs, like 113 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,319 we are arting all the way over and like again, it will change. 114 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:08,319 By definition, Trey Young changes how your team plays because he's on the ball 115 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,319 all the time. Everything runs through him. You have the defensive issues to 116 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,639 make up for. Like you're just building a certain kind of team. We 117 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,759 talk about this with Zion a lot, Like you're building a certain type of 118 00:07:15,759 --> 00:07:19,079 team around Trey Young in ways that like you don't have to be quite as 119 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:23,800 particular with some other guys. Like with him, it's just there's this set 120 00:07:23,839 --> 00:07:26,639 of you know boxes, You've got a tick if he's going to be there. 121 00:07:27,279 --> 00:07:30,240 I think if you move him, this is the complicated thing though you 122 00:07:30,279 --> 00:07:31,680 said it like they don't have control of their draft, so like there's so 123 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,639 much appeal in the idea of trade Young for as many first as you can 124 00:07:34,639 --> 00:07:40,160 get and like, you know how the money coming back has to be significant. 125 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,279 I don't know really how you work that and then use the number one 126 00:07:43,319 --> 00:07:45,279 pick and then like, oh, we're starting out, but like you don't 127 00:07:45,279 --> 00:07:47,439 have your picks, so bottoming out is kind of you know, unless you 128 00:07:47,519 --> 00:07:50,360 never really make that trade with the idea of you're as good, if not 129 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:55,319 better off immediately and you've just sort of restocked some of your draft cover if 130 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,240 you want to go out and make a subsequent trade. So do you not 131 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,439 do you? I don't know what I think about this. I think it's 132 00:08:00,439 --> 00:08:03,639 worth having a conversation about, like, do do you think that it's like 133 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:11,120 unreasonable to as the Hawks say, we're gonna trade Trey Young without being specific 134 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,600 about what we're getting back. We could be as good, but like in 135 00:08:13,639 --> 00:08:18,279 a different way, you know, is is that a plausible thing or is 136 00:08:18,319 --> 00:08:20,879 it just you trade Trey Ung you're worse in your life? Yeah, that's 137 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:22,439 where I land, because I still think Trey Young is really good, if 138 00:08:22,439 --> 00:08:26,639 not underrated at this point. And I do think Okay, during that stretch 139 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,480 where Murray was kind of running the show, the defense was better and the 140 00:08:28,519 --> 00:08:31,879 offense was like fine, but over the course of an eighty two game sample 141 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,559 size, I just can't shake the fact that you were going to miss Tray 142 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,440 Young, especially if you want to incorporate the number one pick. He is 143 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,360 someone who, yeah, he forces them to develop off ball, but that's 144 00:08:41,399 --> 00:08:43,120 what first of all, that's what Zacharycia should be doing if that's they end 145 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,600 up picking. That's what Alex Sarr should be doing if they end up picking 146 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,480 him. So I think he streamlines that development for them. I'm also like, 147 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,360 I understand Murray and Young aren't the best fit, but like you don't 148 00:08:54,399 --> 00:08:56,320 at this point, you don't don't just trade Murray to trade Murray because you 149 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,639 don't have your own draft equity. If there's a chance you end up worse 150 00:09:00,919 --> 00:09:03,519 on the other side of a Murray trade, there's no point in doing it 151 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,879 because of sant So if you can get some of your picks back from San 152 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,120 Antonio, and I do think to Atlanta, the immediate ones, technically I 153 00:09:09,159 --> 00:09:13,000 would think have more value because then it's we control it right now, and 154 00:09:13,039 --> 00:09:16,240 then we can be better by the time these other ones convey. That's really 155 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,000 that, and that's the circumstances under which I would consider moving Trey Young is 156 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,840 if San Antonio came calling with all of their own picks coming back and then 157 00:09:24,519 --> 00:09:26,519 like there has to be other stuff involved in the air course. So that's 158 00:09:26,519 --> 00:09:30,879 like the only scenario I think in which I would move Trey Young. Yeah, 159 00:09:30,919 --> 00:09:33,120 even if that's bad money, like the Spurs are like, it's going 160 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:37,000 to be Zach Collins contract and whatever else we need to get bad money. 161 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:43,080 Besides it's Zach Helden Johnson done. You might get Caldon Johnson out of it, 162 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,320 who is actually a pretty decent fit on that roster. What do you 163 00:09:46,399 --> 00:09:48,080 view though, And I guess it's kind of tough. We don't know who 164 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:52,519 they're gonna draft at this moment, and then you don't know what they're gonna 165 00:09:52,519 --> 00:09:54,000 get back in the Murray trade. But you look at this team, what 166 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,000 is their biggest needs? Assuming that, I think I would operate under the 167 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:03,120 assumption that whoever of the guards that they keep or move, they're still gonna 168 00:10:03,279 --> 00:10:05,519 be like kind of in the same territory. I wouldn't expect them to be 169 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,559 much better off, but they're not. They're not gonna be looking to undergo 170 00:10:09,639 --> 00:10:13,240 I'd be shocked if this end up with them like totally rebuilding again. I 171 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:16,519 think it's the if if san Antonio watch train and will give you all your 172 00:10:16,519 --> 00:10:18,080 own picks plus other stuff. Yeah, I think so too. I think 173 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,759 what they need is, like, well, frame it this way. Look 174 00:10:20,799 --> 00:10:24,399 at the teams that were in the finals, Like they're just loaded with combo 175 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,919 forwards and big wings and versatile guys that can defend and that the Hawks like 176 00:10:28,159 --> 00:10:33,240 they have DeAndre Hunter, uh he just has sort of not been as good 177 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:37,320 at that role as they they hoped they need, They need those types of 178 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,399 players. Jalen Johnson is I guess kind of that way too, But like, 179 00:10:39,879 --> 00:10:43,320 especially if you're gonna go forward with like young and or Murray and a 180 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,240 conventional center, whether that's Capella who by the way, I think the reporting 181 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,960 lately is like Capella might be someone that moves if they're trying to get under 182 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,039 that tax line, which makes sense because they have a Konglu. But you 183 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,759 need some guys in between your smalls and your bigs that that are two way 184 00:10:58,759 --> 00:11:01,240 players that can make cat you know, catch a shoot just three surprise, 185 00:11:01,279 --> 00:11:05,399 surprise. You need three and d wings Like that's that's what the need is 186 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,399 to make and you could end up needing a guard too. If you wind 187 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,799 up moving any one of these so free agents. That's bring to mind before 188 00:11:11,799 --> 00:11:15,159 we wrap up on them here, Markel Foltz again, if Murray or Trey 189 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,360 Young is being traded, Chris Dunn, Derek Jones Junior would be good on 190 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,159 like I would lean all the way into defense. I'm not even concerned about 191 00:11:20,399 --> 00:11:24,480 what is the offensive spacing like, but Derek Jones Junior, Najie Marshall would 192 00:11:24,519 --> 00:11:28,120 be great. Hayward high Smith, Kyle Anderson could be interesting on this team, 193 00:11:28,159 --> 00:11:30,360 again, depending on if they wind up trading one of their guards. 194 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,480 Javonte Green's a name, you know, I've always liked. Tory Craig is 195 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,120 a player option. Danthony Melton could work. Dennis Smith Junior were obligated to 196 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,159 mention both him and Chris Dunn for any of these teams. In terms of 197 00:11:39,159 --> 00:11:43,480 trade targets, I do think it matters, like it depends on who you're 198 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,559 sending out. Like, I'm not trading trade to Brooklyn unless I get Michal 199 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,080 Bridges. That's not happening. Yeah, me, It would be interesting if 200 00:11:50,159 --> 00:11:54,039 Orlando just comes calling for Murray or even Young. Can you get Jalen Suggs. 201 00:11:54,039 --> 00:11:58,480 I think no for Murray, but would they for Treye. I'd probably 202 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,600 still say no, but that would be someone who'd be interesting. Brandon Ingram, 203 00:12:01,639 --> 00:12:05,440 Dorian Phinney, Smith, Kyle Kuzma, Ioda Summu, Javon Carter, 204 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:09,360 Dean Wade. That exhausts my That's that's the clip of targets I have for 205 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,000 them. I mean, you named them all. I don't have any. 206 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,879 I was gonna say, it's just it varies because I wish we just knew 207 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,080 the outcome of the Murray Tray thing, because then that dictates what kind of 208 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,039 direction they're headed into, right, Yeah, a lot of I mean, 209 00:12:22,279 --> 00:12:26,399 the thing is like this is probably gonna crystallize fairly quickly because they're going to 210 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,120 make the pick and then it won't be long. I don't think. I 211 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,240 don't if they're gonna make a big trade. I don't think it's one that's 212 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:35,000 like, oh, it's going to be August, or like this is gonna 213 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,440 happen. I think within you know, the first couple of days of free 214 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,600 agency, I would I would imagine, and then what's that? I think? 215 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:46,039 I agree with you? Yeah, all right, good enough for the 216 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:50,720 Hawks. That was that was a lot to cover Charlotte's next so notable notable 217 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:56,600 free agents Miles Bridges, Davias Breton's. He's got a partial guarantee five point 218 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:00,639 two five million of his sixteen million. I'm not sure that eight on that 219 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,759 one, but assuming it's late June, well not super important. That's another 220 00:13:03,799 --> 00:13:07,639 salary that's like, you can mess around with that and make it more or 221 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,759 less valuable if you're trying to swing a trade. And you know, but 222 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:16,279 this is the like, is Charlotte going to attach a pick to a larger 223 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,200 chunk of Damas Berton's salary to go get someone? Probably not. He seems 224 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,799 like someone that you would trade. And this will probably get into the Miles 225 00:13:22,799 --> 00:13:26,840 Bridges discussion. But you could just guarantee his salary and if you're looking to 226 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,240 take back bad money, because like and just operate over the cap and then 227 00:13:30,279 --> 00:13:33,200 you just have this massive expiring contract that would allow you to take back a 228 00:13:33,279 --> 00:13:37,360 sizable contract that is attached to picks or prospects. Yeah, I mean kind 229 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,279 of a sort of similar bit to Bogdanovich in New York, except the Knicks 230 00:13:41,279 --> 00:13:46,440 would want very different things. I would imagine using that full guaranteed salary, 231 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,840 not any like big time extension eligibilities here Cody Martin, JT. Thor are 232 00:13:50,879 --> 00:13:54,080 eligible. I don't imagine there's a lot of urgency to get that done. 233 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,399 This is a team in a rebuild, new coach, new front office, 234 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:03,559 relatively new ownership. So as you're as you're looking at what I mean, 235 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:05,360 first of all, this establish a direction, decide what you're gonna do. 236 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,480 Overall here, it seems like it's fairly clear it's gonna be like we're rebuilding. 237 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:13,480 We acknowledge it. But what do you view as this team's biggest needs 238 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:18,320 going into the summer. I mean, I've got a laundry list of them 239 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,960 shooting around LaMelo and Brandon Miller, a backcourt running made of the future for 240 00:14:22,039 --> 00:14:24,000 LaMelo, unless you're thinking that Miller's the two, in which case then you're 241 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:28,960 gonna need like another dynamic winger, combo forward. Honestly, wouldn't mind seeing 242 00:14:28,039 --> 00:14:31,000 them, just I don't know who will still be available when they're on the 243 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,399 clock, like if for the draft, but like a big man upgrade from 244 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,240 Mark Williams. I know he was injured last year, but I don't know 245 00:14:37,279 --> 00:14:41,840 if that's like, is he cornerstone material at the center position. We don't 246 00:14:41,879 --> 00:14:43,480 know enough. He's not someone that I'm planning around, though I have Miller 247 00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:46,799 and I have LaMelo, and those are the players I'm planning around. So 248 00:14:48,639 --> 00:14:50,120 like and like you have Grant Williams and Nick Richards, like those are just 249 00:14:50,159 --> 00:14:54,480 aren't names. And then just really plus defenders at any position. If you 250 00:14:54,519 --> 00:14:58,480 had to dilute it down to what you think their actual biggest need is knowing 251 00:14:58,519 --> 00:15:03,519 that they're really at the point kind of like the Wizards of just talent infusion 252 00:15:03,679 --> 00:15:05,320 is just where they should be every but what would be like you're like, 253 00:15:05,559 --> 00:15:09,600 no, they should prioritize this, Yeah, you got me. I was 254 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,039 gonna cop out and say, just best player available at all times, maximum 255 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:18,799 talent. That club out of my bag. That's my favorite club for a 256 00:15:18,799 --> 00:15:22,480 team like this. Well, so if you're gonna keep Lamello, like I 257 00:15:22,519 --> 00:15:24,840 know that we've increasingly been viewing him as someone that a lot of teams should 258 00:15:24,879 --> 00:15:28,039 be targeting as a trade target. What it is because I just want him 259 00:15:28,159 --> 00:15:33,399 on those It's not that I actually don't think Charlotte should move him. I 260 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:37,279 would. It's not what I'm getting from from all of your your hypothetical so 261 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,879 far, I think you really want him to be I hate the Hornets. 262 00:15:39,919 --> 00:15:43,879 That's uh, this is a Lakers only podcast, So what's their biggest need? 263 00:15:43,279 --> 00:15:48,080 I mean, if you believe that LaMelo and Miller are kind of your 264 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,639 one and two in some order, which is like not a ridiculus. LaMelo 265 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,240 was an All Star when he was twenty. Brandon Miller was way better than 266 00:15:54,279 --> 00:15:58,639 anybody most people thought he was going to be as a rookie. You should 267 00:15:58,639 --> 00:16:02,840 feel pretty good about that. I guess it's probably like it's got to be 268 00:16:02,879 --> 00:16:06,159 a front court presence, right, like, whether that's a combo forward or 269 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,840 or a big guy that can do more, like say what you know, 270 00:16:08,919 --> 00:16:12,879 Mark Williams, Nick Richards, like those guys are are pretty good versions of 271 00:16:12,919 --> 00:16:17,480 the type of centers that they are. But I do think like they have 272 00:16:17,639 --> 00:16:21,080 you have to be great. You have to be like incredibly good to be 273 00:16:21,159 --> 00:16:23,639 like a paint bound, you know, role guy Like I don't know that 274 00:16:23,679 --> 00:16:26,519 there's a whole lot of difference. In fact, it might be the case 275 00:16:26,559 --> 00:16:30,320 that this other guy's better between like them and like Daniel Gafford, Like Gafford's 276 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,679 is just better than those two guys. And even he is like, well, 277 00:16:33,759 --> 00:16:37,559 Lively is the real center in Dallas. So like I would be looking 278 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,120 to change the type of center and type of front court guys that I have, 279 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,720 I think, I guess, but that's almost by default, right because 280 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,159 you believe in LaMelo and you believe in Miller, and you get another wing 281 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:52,559 in there, and you know those positions are sort of accounted for. I 282 00:16:52,559 --> 00:16:55,399 think I would just say shooting, because then it's like, okay, can 283 00:16:55,399 --> 00:16:57,879 that be Do you view Brendan Miller as your two or your three or is 284 00:16:57,919 --> 00:17:02,399 this and that's just like like imagine if I wish they could trade up and 285 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:06,359 get Read Shepherd on this team, you a frenetic Miller, Shepherd and LaMelo 286 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,599 would just be as as a trio. Yeah, that'd be fun as hell. 287 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,200 I do think a lot of what dictates this, though, is Miles 288 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,799 Bridges who Jake Fisher throughout the number of like he could get thirty million dollars 289 00:17:15,799 --> 00:17:19,400 a year and I was like, rip to that team's cap sheet, like 290 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,480 this the off court stuff aside. And I will recognize that maybe the domestic 291 00:17:23,519 --> 00:17:27,880 violence incidents of colored my view of him, which I will not apologize for, 292 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,319 but this is a dude who's not shot thirty five percent from three in 293 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,799 over in three seasons. Now, granted he sat out, but so it 294 00:17:36,839 --> 00:17:41,480 was past two seasons that he's played, and he's he's more concept than practical 295 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,640 on defense. Like, this isn't like someone who's yeah, he's malleable, 296 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,200 but he's not like a great defender that was PJ. Washington would always handle 297 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,839 the heaviest burdens when you're looking at like how their front court ended up panning 298 00:17:51,839 --> 00:17:56,000 out. So if you're them, are you just re signing Miles Bridges to 299 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:02,480 preserve the asset or you either one aggressively trying to get him to work with 300 00:18:02,519 --> 00:18:03,960 you to do a sign and trade to somebody, or are you okay just 301 00:18:04,039 --> 00:18:07,519 letting him go. I don't think you can let him go, as much 302 00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:11,279 as that like would earn you a bunch of plaudits in the you know, 303 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,920 on the PR side of got NBA Twitter coming together to celebrate the Hornets, 304 00:18:15,079 --> 00:18:17,519 right, yeah, I'll look at it, and then and then when the 305 00:18:17,519 --> 00:18:19,880 Hornets are like asset poor, it's like, well, maybe you shouldn't let 306 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:25,160 someone go that you could trader. Well, the same people will do. 307 00:18:25,279 --> 00:18:30,839 We'll say that stuff yeah, it'll be me stupid hornets that where's your moral 308 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,480 high ground? Gut? And you Now, I think I think I might 309 00:18:33,519 --> 00:18:37,400 just try to sign him with the idea of asset preservation in mind. But 310 00:18:37,519 --> 00:18:42,200 like that doesn't if that's your approach, you can't just sign him to anything 311 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,319 like it, can you know, because he's got to be a value on 312 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,640 a team that you intend eventually to trade him to. And as as you 313 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:52,200 look at his numbers, try this on. I wonder because he had a 314 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,319 forty percent three point shooting season in twenty twenty one and he's in the like 315 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:03,240 lower mid thirties otherwise. I kind of wonder if like a lot of that 316 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,680 has to do with he's just like he's been over taxed, he's asked to 317 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,799 take too many types of threes that like he's not good at. You feel 318 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,200 him at a mist too, Like that's not making his job any right, 319 00:19:12,319 --> 00:19:15,359 not not making his job easier. So, if if he's someone that you 320 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,799 slot in as like a fourth option, I think maybe you see that three 321 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:22,400 point percentage come up to where it's like, oh, he's a weapon again, 322 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:26,279 and maybe it's sorry. I know, I know for the million of 323 00:19:26,279 --> 00:19:29,400 time, like PJ. Washington got better when he got around a different set 324 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,119 of players, Like maybe that's the case for Bridges, or at least it 325 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:37,039 allows Bridges to you know, avoid having to do some of the lifts that 326 00:19:37,079 --> 00:19:38,759 he's like not as adept at. I'm gonna throw some teams that you and 327 00:19:38,799 --> 00:19:41,079 some of them are cap space or it would have to be a sign in 328 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,519 trade. Does he make sense in Detroit? Yeah, kinda, right like, 329 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:51,000 I just as a I mean as an athletic, pretty like big perimeter 330 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:55,119 lineups with him and a Sar and Kaid, But the shooting on those could 331 00:19:55,160 --> 00:20:00,079 be shaky unless you think that he's again having there will improve and if the 332 00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:03,440 theory is he can be more on a better team where he's asked to do 333 00:20:03,519 --> 00:20:07,559 less. I don't know if Detroit is like the Oh yeah, Philly, 334 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,279 they strike out on like all their I mean they've already I don't, I 335 00:20:11,279 --> 00:20:12,559 mean, I don't know they have there. They've been linked to every single 336 00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:17,000 free age. I mean, Philly could just sign him for like twenty to 337 00:20:17,039 --> 00:20:19,119 twenty five million a year and have room to do other stuff, right like, 338 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,359 and then he's no higher than the third option, just with MAXI Embiid 339 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,200 and then him, So that fits I think compared to Detroit. I like 340 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,880 that better. Are there any like teams that would have to they don't have 341 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,240 caps face, they would have to sign and trade for him in that vein 342 00:20:34,799 --> 00:20:37,920 that would make some sense here? Like because I go through it, and 343 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:42,839 it's just I don't necessarily love his fit with any team. And I mean 344 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:47,279 like there are probably some super tax teams that I would be Okay, that 345 00:20:47,319 --> 00:20:49,319 makes a ton of sense, But that's just not like you can't acquire player 346 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,319 being sign and trade like that. So I mean, do you know where 347 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:56,839 he might make some sense? And again we're not condoning the off court stuff 348 00:20:56,839 --> 00:21:00,000 here. If the fan bases don't want to totally get it, he probably 349 00:21:00,039 --> 00:21:03,079 make a lot of sense in Toronto at this point. Yeah, just to 350 00:21:03,079 --> 00:21:07,359 fill in the the you know, combo forward spot. I guess he played 351 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,880 next to Barnes with Pearl, I think a lot. Well if that's again 352 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,680 you know the thing again is like the shooting has to be better for a 353 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,599 lot of these fits to make sense. Uh, for him, I'm just 354 00:21:18,599 --> 00:21:22,720 looking around, like if Chicago, which I'm Chicago, did offer the qualifying 355 00:21:22,839 --> 00:21:25,960 make the qualifying offer Pat Williams probably debates about Chicago. Did you see the 356 00:21:26,039 --> 00:21:30,559 report that their ideal plan now is to move Zach Lavine move up in the 357 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:36,160 draft and then re signed tomar DeRozan. What fucking timeline is this team operating 358 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:40,440 on, doesn't it? That's somewhat confusing. If that's the actual blueprint, 359 00:21:40,519 --> 00:21:42,799 that's the most confusing thing that I've ever heard of. Mind all the timelines, 360 00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:45,839 they're going to do all of them and just see which one works. 361 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:49,079 Sorry, I had I just I they continue to fucking they do a bit 362 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,519 Chicago. If Patrick Williams leaves, like there's kind of a spot there, 363 00:21:52,559 --> 00:21:55,839 you're I mean, you're not signing him obviously if you're the Bulls. But 364 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,640 I'm just trying to think of places where who sure, like who needs an 365 00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:06,279 mainly offense first three slash four that like that you're also not sure is worth 366 00:22:06,759 --> 00:22:08,319 you know, being a second or third. It's a weird fit. I 367 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,200 mean, but then but but again, he I think it was Jake Fisher 368 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:17,440 or it could have been someone else, but that was like Bridges was getting 369 00:22:17,559 --> 00:22:21,799 the max before all this shit happened, Like he was a league wide where 370 00:22:21,799 --> 00:22:23,920 it was like done, It's gonna maybe it's Charlotte, maybe it's someone else, 371 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,599 but he is going to get the max. I was in the bag 372 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,279 for his step back three at one point, Like that's the thing. Like 373 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,319 he's got a forty percent three point shooting season. It's an outlier, but 374 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,119 it happened. And he's an eighty plus percent free throw shooter. That's where 375 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,799 I'm like more optimistic than if you just tweak the shot diet. Maybe he 376 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,119 is a plus shooter. Again, this would be wild one. What about 377 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,079 like a there would have to be other stuff involved with like a Jared Allen 378 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,920 for Miles Bridges trade type feal. The fact that Kenny Atkinson's in Cleveland and 379 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,400 Grant and I will go in detail on that Scottie Marnes and stuff at a 380 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,839 later date makes me think that they're gonna keep geart like they're gonna keep everybody 381 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,480 together. Yeah, but that would be like sort of interesting. Or is 382 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,359 that two offensive focus when you have Darius Garland and Donovan Midgell. I mean 383 00:23:03,519 --> 00:23:06,759 it is, it is offense focus. But again it's like the same thing 384 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:07,920 all the time with Cleveland. It's like, well, if they're going to 385 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,440 ever be any good, it's because Evan Mobley is a defense unto himself, 386 00:23:11,599 --> 00:23:15,039 which like he's been you know, I mean, what was he second in 387 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,519 Deep DP a couple of years ago. So I mean, I would say 388 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,480 if Sacramento was looking to kind of like not go to zach Lavine extreme where 389 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,480 it's yeah, we get in a little bit of an offense and punch and 390 00:23:25,559 --> 00:23:27,839 this guy will be better on defense than zach Lavine, that could be an 391 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,640 interesting fit. I agree with that. And they got three picks, three 392 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,519 future first not counting their picking the draft three swaps, Like I mean, 393 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,160 I'm not no, no, no, no, you're not doing any of 394 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,519 that, But I'm just saying they can if you're trying to sign and trade 395 00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:42,759 him or whatever. As Charlotte like Kevin Herder and Harrison Barnes is like, 396 00:23:42,839 --> 00:23:45,079 if that I would just use those of the like if I'm Charlotte, would 397 00:23:45,079 --> 00:23:48,480 like Kevin Herder, which might be better to move off to the bridges. 398 00:23:48,519 --> 00:23:52,480 Do you have any like other questions about this team before I just rattle off 399 00:23:52,519 --> 00:23:56,000 the targets. Now, go ahead with the targets. So it depends on 400 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,160 how much cap space they're gonna have. But we'll get to the free agents. 401 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,279 First, this is just names I been thinking of Gary Trent Junior, 402 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,240 Malik Beasley, Lukenard has that team option with Memphis, Naji Marshall. Of 403 00:24:04,319 --> 00:24:08,200 course, Simoni Fontecio. That would be a fun fit. Bruce Brown. 404 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,039 I don't think Toronto declines his team option, but if they do, Isaiah 405 00:24:11,079 --> 00:24:15,039 Hartenstein, if they get rid of Miles Bridges and like they just have cap 406 00:24:15,079 --> 00:24:18,599 space, Isaia Harton's gonna be a great fit here. He's only twenty six, 407 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,359 by the way, Patrick Williams, if they wanted to throw Kimon offer 408 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:22,519 at him now, if you want to take like sort of a flyer to 409 00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:27,799 okay, I don't hate like just a stab in the dark Isaacacorro. Max 410 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,720 Christi really ruined the Lakers head coaching higher with J. J. Reddick, 411 00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:34,519 who was kid came in to develop Max Christi and then just try and pay 412 00:24:34,599 --> 00:24:40,880 him so the Lakers can't Uh Markel Foltz, Nick Claxton, Deanthony Melton and 413 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:45,640 then trade targets uh Anthony Simons, Jayale. If you're in a trade LaMelo, 414 00:24:45,759 --> 00:24:48,079 I would target trying to get somebody like Joe and Suggs out of that 415 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,319 deal. Josh Green and Dallas is that someone you could just get At this 416 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,200 point, I'd like both Moses Moody and Jonathan kaminga. Here's like, what 417 00:24:55,319 --> 00:24:59,960 is the Warriors plans for them? Duncan Robinson, Jonathan Isaac would be super 418 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,799 interesting and then kept we already actually already mentioned Kevin Herder, but I had 419 00:25:02,839 --> 00:25:04,880 him on the list before he got into that discussion. If you're talking King's 420 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,640 trades too, and and like, if the Kings are willing to make it 421 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,599 a more pick heavy offer, you could just go Kevin Herder and Trey Lyles 422 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,119 if you're talking about Bridges as a sign and trade guy, maybe and like, 423 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,400 you know, would you different Davion Mitchell to Trey Lyles if you're Charlotte, 424 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:25,160 just Lyles gives you the semi like stretch five thing. He's undersized, 425 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,200 but the Kings do use him that way most of the time, so that's 426 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,319 a new element you get. But then Daveon, I think as a guy 427 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,759 you can just play with ball and say, like go guard the one the 428 00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:37,920 guy as you have is Trey Lyles. That like the way Grant Williams played 429 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,119 for them last year, Like is Trey Lyles that? I mean, I 430 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,440 agree with you that Trey Lyles is definitely he has more He's gonna have more 431 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,079 size in that position than just yeah, just a little bit. But that's 432 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,000 a fair point that like, I don't know if he's offering you like that 433 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,599 much that's different from Grant. I like that call it in. I mean, 434 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,200 I don't love the Miles Bridges fit in Zacramano, but if the alternative 435 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,000 is trading for Zach Lavine, I I like the Miles Bridges fit a lot 436 00:25:57,039 --> 00:26:00,000 more, I'll tell you. And and if Michail bri is not available, 437 00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:03,160 who is like the guy that I do kind of think he ends up being 438 00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:06,480 back though, And I don't think this team ends up being like a huge 439 00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:08,920 cap space team, which will make you some a little less interesting. If 440 00:26:10,039 --> 00:26:12,079 free agency landscape were a little different and there was like, oh, there's 441 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,839 way more we can do with that thirty million, then maybe, But I 442 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,000 just think Bridges and whatever whatever he gives you on the floor and then whatever 443 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,680 you can trade him for seems like slightly more valuable. To me? Is 444 00:26:21,759 --> 00:26:25,480 that would that be their best outcomes to sign and trade Bridges, because then 445 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,720 they technically get to take the moral high ground, but they get assets in 446 00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:32,960 return to or that not that I mean, I don't know if you get 447 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:37,319 total like moral high ground that way, because you did technically, like I 448 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,000 don't know if if it's an immediate sign and trade, probably more so than 449 00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:44,079 you sign him and then you move him at the deadline or something after it 450 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,720 like didn't work out. Can you actually did want him a little different ready 451 00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:51,960 for Miami? No, I mean this team is depressing for some reason. 452 00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:56,240 But notable free agents Caleb Martin has a player option. Hayward high Smith, 453 00:26:56,319 --> 00:26:59,559 Kevin Love is a player option. Josh Richardson coming off an injury, he 454 00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:02,680 is a player option. Thomas Bryan is a player option. Patty Mills and 455 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,599 Delon Wright are non bird free agents. Their salary cap situation at a glance 456 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,519 is disastrous for a team that was just not in the postseason. They're less 457 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,960 than four million dollars from the first apron and then subsequently less than fifteen million 458 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,039 dollars. I have them from the second apron. That's without new contracts for 459 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,920 Kayla Martin or Hayward high Smith. And I'm assuming Love picks up his player 460 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,759 option in this scenario. So like there's just a world I've been phrasing it 461 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,839 this way, and it might not be perfectly accurate, but I've been calling 462 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,440 it. They are one Caleb Martin contract away from being in the second apron 463 00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:38,960 and that's like, that's unsettling at brist So their best spending tool. I 464 00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:45,000 just have it as minimums notable extension eligibilities bam Adebayo three years, one sixty 465 00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:48,000 five point eight million. I'm absolutely offering it. I'd be curious to see 466 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,599 if he would sign it or if he prefers to wait another year. And 467 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,279 then Jimmy Butler is eligible for it's either a one year fifty nine point seven 468 00:27:53,319 --> 00:27:56,200 million dollar extension, I believe, and that's if he doesn't decline his player 469 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,599 option. If he declines his player option, it could be two years, 470 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,240 one hundre twelve point nine million dollars. And that's it's so short because of 471 00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:08,680 the over thirty eight rule. Uh So, this team is like my biggest 472 00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:15,960 question for them is do they even have a pathway to making a real upgrade 473 00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:18,400 just giving their cap situation and now the assets because you gave up that first 474 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,559 round pick for Terry Rozier, or do you actually view this as Okay, 475 00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:27,240 look at who finished the season healthy and it was basically nobody like even Hamiyakis 476 00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:32,640 wasn't healthy by the end of it. I kind of think that the Heat 477 00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:37,279 can make moves that improve their like three to five year outlook, But I 478 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:42,039 don't know if there's a way for them to make themselves like meaningfully better in 479 00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:45,240 twenty four to twenty five, if that makes sense, because like, and 480 00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:49,440 what I'm like brushing up against is like if you do trade Butler as and 481 00:28:49,599 --> 00:28:55,160 you get that fifty plus million off the books for as you know, really 482 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,720 there's only this year coming up at forty eight, and next year is a 483 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:02,799 is a player option, I believe at fifty two, like which you can't 484 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:04,400 this is we talk about this with Donovan Mitchell all the time, like, 485 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,319 oh my god, you can't let him get so basically expiring status you know, 486 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,559 next year, like sort of the same thing with Butler. So if 487 00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:14,640 you move him, you clear you clean the books up a touch, like 488 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,599 maybe you get some assets back, you have ways to build the roster. 489 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,640 After that, I was gonna ask you, one, do you like buy 490 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,240 into the fact that it could head down that path? But two, just 491 00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:26,000 given what this team is done and the fact that I think pat Riley turns 492 00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:30,119 like ninety five or something soon. Are they actually going to prioritize like we're 493 00:29:30,119 --> 00:29:32,400 gonna clean up the cap sheet and get picks back, or are they gonna 494 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:33,920 be like no, like we're gonna even they get assets, they're gonna turn 495 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,799 around and make another trade. No, that's the thing I think, so 496 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,920 they can set themselves up to be better positioned for several years after this. 497 00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:48,119 I don't feel like it's that that's likely for this team and and this like 498 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,680 front office, just for the part of the partly because of the reasons you 499 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,480 said, and also because Miami tends to think like you know, other than 500 00:29:53,599 --> 00:29:56,720 like the decision. It's not like Miami tends to operate, you know, 501 00:29:56,839 --> 00:30:00,519 like let's look a couple years down the road and get ready just like how 502 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:06,240 do we win today? So that would augur against a Butler trade. But 503 00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:08,039 I do think, I do think it's it is possible that it goes that 504 00:30:08,079 --> 00:30:11,880 way. To answer your question, just because like the financial realities of it, 505 00:30:12,119 --> 00:30:18,359 his availability, all the stuff pat Riley like very like unabashedly talked about 506 00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:22,759 with Butler, and then if you kind of mix in some just like nascent, 507 00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:27,599 you know, dissatisfaction on Butler's part and like once maybe that relationship gets 508 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,240 a little fractured. I'm probably reading way too much into it, but like 509 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:36,440 that I think is what precipitate to trade not so much Miami saying like we 510 00:30:36,519 --> 00:30:38,000 really like to get ourselves set up for twenty twenty seven. You know, 511 00:30:38,079 --> 00:30:41,359 I don't think that's going to be the motivating factor for it. And what 512 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,759 do you think? No, I actually I think that's the perfect way to 513 00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:45,880 frame it. I think you just hit it spot on. It's like it's 514 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,200 not going to get there, like the Heat aren't going to be proactive about 515 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,599 this. It's going to be a reactive thing. If you wind up on 516 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,240 the trade block, well so then then what, like you, how do 517 00:30:56,359 --> 00:31:00,119 you make this team? What actually worries me more is I'm recepted to the 518 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,839 idea, like Kayla Martin could be better. He didn't have like the best 519 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,440 year by his standards, and then you could just be healthier. I know, 520 00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:07,400 Jimmy Butler's always gonna be dealing with stuff, but like the terrors year 521 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,359 injury by the end of the season, that's not something you anticipated Himai Hawk 522 00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:14,400 is of course, so like you could just be Tyler Hero like you could 523 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,880 be healthier, and then some of those basically all those guys. Kayler Martin 524 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:18,880 could be better. He's older, but he could definitely be better than he 525 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,720 was last year. Haimi Hawk Is is gonna get better, Hayward high Smith 526 00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:25,319 is going to get better. Nikola Yovich is gonna get better. So you 527 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,400 have Tyler Hero is gonna get better. He's alwayst not gonna get any worse, 528 00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:30,880 and he's by the way, I still think he's I'm not. I 529 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,440 don't think he's like on the same level as a Tyrese Max. He like 530 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,200 blue chip Anthony Simon's prospect even but like Tyler Hero is good. This idea 531 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:45,119 that Tyler Hero sucks is just weird. Yeah. So, but my concern 532 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,400 is, is there a chance that you lose two of the guys I just 533 00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:51,519 named in Kayla Martin and Hayward high Smith, and then you just trust your 534 00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:55,200 program to spit out guys to make up for that. So it's not so 535 00:31:55,319 --> 00:31:57,920 much that I think that heat I probably overstated this at the beginning. They're 536 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,480 in an unsettling spot, but it's not because I think that they need to 537 00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:04,640 make this big trade. I just think at bare minimum you'd like to be 538 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,480 able to run it back, and personally, I would be fairly surprised unless 539 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:15,240 they're cutting costs by trading a Duncan Robinson or removing at Terry Rozier. If 540 00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:19,759 both Hayward high Smith and Martin specifically are back, it does seem like Martin 541 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,359 is Yeah, I mean he's someone that, like if you're talking mid level, 542 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,839 like sure, I think a lot of teams would would be happy to 543 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,440 give killed Martin the mid level as like a starting point. It only should 544 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,240 be one of them, by the way, even though they could resign it 545 00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:35,720 for that amount. I was going to, do you have anything else on 546 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,079 just like the state of the team is the state of the team. I 547 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,880 was going to get into some of their targets to see what you thought. 548 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,799 So again, free agency, I'm only planning on minimums. Chris Paul, 549 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,559 would that interest you if he gets weighd by the Warriors and he's just willing 550 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,599 to Hey, we'll let you start and you'll get to dominate the ball here 551 00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:54,440 because that we didn't even really talk about. Like, this is a team 552 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:59,640 whose offense just chronically is behind its defense and it always rears its head, 553 00:32:59,759 --> 00:33:05,039 you know, like if that's if the Heat have had a consistent problem, 554 00:33:05,079 --> 00:33:07,119 it's like they get to the playoffs and it's like, God, unless Jimmy 555 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,799 Butler is Superman, we just don't score, you know. Chris Dunn, 556 00:33:09,839 --> 00:33:14,160 Dennis Smith Junior, not really gonna help your offense, but some defensive tools. 557 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:15,839 If Joshua Koge ends up on the market, like that could be a 558 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:21,119 fun rehab project for the Heat. Torrian Prince if he's available for the minimum. 559 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,839 Certainly Javonte Green, Joe Ingles has that team option with Orlando. I'm 560 00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:28,440 curious to see what happens. There Are there any free agents that's bring to 561 00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:30,039 mind? Or should I list off to some of the trade guys I have 562 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,720 for them? Why should go to the trade guys? Uh? So? 563 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,519 Don I Midge if he doesn't signed the extension that's there, Trey Young. 564 00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:40,480 That's these are so complicated because the Heat in Fury can't unless they're gonna finish 565 00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:45,000 beneath Like if you aggregate salaries, you're gonna need to finish beneath that second 566 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,160 apron. And if you take back more money than you're sending out, you 567 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,359 to finish below the first apron. Those guys are tough for that. I 568 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,680 have Isaiah Stewart, Iodasumu would be fantastic in Miami. Denny Avvia of course, 569 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,720 Kelton Johnson I thought would be an interesting flyer. I don't know if 570 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,599 he's a enough shooter at this point. Tamani Kamara, if you're gonna lose 571 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,960 Kayla Martin, if you lose Heyward high Smith, he's just so cheap. 572 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,360 What does Portland want for him? I would look at the Jontay Murray if 573 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,440 I'm this team, if you're kind of bracing for Jimmy Butler regression and then 574 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,719 also bogged down mcdonovich would be a great fit here. Isaiah Stewart because they 575 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:20,199 do need a front court partner for BAM. I still think, like I 576 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,400 know, Kevin Love is nice and you could play Jimmy or Kayla, but 577 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,920 like all these different guys before Hama Hawk is of course Nikolaiovic. I wanted 578 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,119 to ask you about this guy, and you could talk about anyone else that 579 00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:31,559 you wanted to as well. They have like Larry Marketin's the perfect salary fit 580 00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:35,000 for them, because as well, we'll just send out Terry Rozier or Duncan 581 00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:37,360 Robinson and or if you Tom wants Tyler here for some reason, could they 582 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:43,239 theoretically, you think, overwhelm the Jazz with an offer enough to even make 583 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,159 them think about it looking at how many picks they owe. I think if 584 00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:50,920 OKAC and some other teams are sitting it out, they could, But I 585 00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:53,039 just think it's hard for the Heat to have the best offer. I will 586 00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:57,840 say they put Hayma hawk As on the table. That gets interesting because it's 587 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,199 like, Okayse's Pine not sending back a top tier pro respect for lowry marketing, 588 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,000 no other like what team is You're not even getting a Herb Jones or 589 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,239 a Trey Murphy from New Orleans for lowry marketing. You might get Caseon Wallace 590 00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:12,480 maybe I don't know from okay see, but and like he's at least there's 591 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,440 a conversation to be had between him and Hawkes for sure. Yeah, I 592 00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:20,719 think. I mean, I think market in Marketing is someone that like find 593 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,880 me the team that I don't think he's gonna help, which is weird because 594 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,679 like he does have deficiencies, like he's not a great defender, Like he's 595 00:35:25,679 --> 00:35:30,920 got length, but he's not like threes. Yeah, Like so I just 596 00:35:31,039 --> 00:35:34,519 should would the he be better with him? Like absolutely, would they be 597 00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:38,599 better with him instead of Duncan Robinson, Hawkes And I don't know a first 598 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:44,239 or a few first like, yeah, probably probably, but then you're bay, 599 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,320 I don't know, like I think Malcolm Brogden was someone else I was 600 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,880 thinking of. If you're just if you think he can stay healthy, that's 601 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,320 another number you can pretty arly match. But like you can't have like in 602 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,119 that scenario, I'm not I like that, like you have to give up 603 00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:02,159 on a less likely Tyler hero or order there because you can just have those 604 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:07,519 two plus Malcol like we're sending another like guard type player to Yes, he's 605 00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:09,519 more of a floor general than either of those two, but like at that 606 00:36:09,639 --> 00:36:13,239 point, it's why, like we just so much money tied up in these 607 00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:16,920 non wings. Yeah, I mean, don't you think ultimately the most likely 608 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:22,800 outcome is like basically everyone's back, and that includes Martin and maybe not high 609 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,199 Smith, and then they're just banking on Yovich and Hawkes being better and then 610 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,920 just being healthier in general. Yeah, I think the most likely outcome is 611 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,199 one of the two you mentioned leaves Martin or Highsmith, and then everyone else's 612 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,599 back wa I think I agree with that, which is again and they could 613 00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:37,800 still be better, so but I do think they will be linked. They 614 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,320 have some of these salaries, but they have to My final thought, they 615 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,039 would be like, okay, you can include multiple firsts and swaps. You 616 00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:47,599 do have Hawkes and Jovic, Like, if you're going to make this trade, 617 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,199 it has to be super specific in the sense of there have to be 618 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,119 other teams sitting it out because you're never gonna have the best offer at this 619 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:59,400 point and because of the apron stuff. It's so you either need to make 620 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,599 sure you're taking act less money either way, you need to finish beneath the 621 00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:05,719 second apron because you're gonna need to aggregate salaries to do it. But you 622 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,079 also like, if you're gonna take back more money, then you have to 623 00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:12,199 finish beneath Like that's gonna make it even harder. You have to finish beneath 624 00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:15,599 the first apron. So that is the challenge of them making a big move 625 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:22,320 right now. I just think like as a as a Macro thought the heat 626 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,039 and we talk about a lot of other teams before the heat when we're talking 627 00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:27,159 about like, oh, look, what's gonna happen with the new CBA. 628 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,920 Like, imagine the position Miami would be in under the old CBA right now, 629 00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:32,719 all these mid tier salaries they have the trade like, it would be 630 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:37,639 so easy to act like they would easily be in the mix for stars. 631 00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:42,800 It's just like you gotta it's just a just a way harder thing to do 632 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,519 now with with those first and second aprons and the rules those impose on you, 633 00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:51,079 because otherwise it's like we're talking about them as like being pretty inflexible. 634 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,679 That would absolutely not be the case if we were under the old CBA, 635 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,119 And that's just you know, it's the new reality. As a final note, 636 00:37:58,199 --> 00:38:01,000 I think they can include three swaps and two first round picks in any 637 00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:05,239 trade, and I think both of those first round picks would tepically be conditional 638 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,880 upon the obligations they have to. They sent the twenty twenty seven pick to 639 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:15,119 Charlotte when they got Terry Rose year, and then they have their twenty twenty 640 00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:19,559 five pick going to Oka se so like they would still be conditional. But 641 00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:22,760 you couldn't theory offer two first round picks and three swaps and we'll see what 642 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:28,000 that would get them. This next team is like might be for me, 643 00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:30,719 the most fascinating, my most fascinating team of the offseason. Yeah, they 644 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:36,320 need some time here. So it's the Orlando Magic free agents real quickly. 645 00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:40,119 Uh, there's a non guarantee on Jonathan Isaac Steele, so technically not a 646 00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:45,079 free agent. Markel Foltzcary Harris, your guy, Chumo, Kiki has restricted 647 00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:52,639 the previous two or unrestricted, Goga Patadze unrestricted. I think that's the relevant 648 00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:57,800 guys here. So their salary cap situation like how long you got? Basically 649 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,440 they are among the major caps based teams. I think you could peg the 650 00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:07,079 number anywhere in the thirty to forty million. I think forty two is kind 651 00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:12,840 of the high end if I'm looking at the numbers correctly. But that you 652 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,119 have a phrased on our cheat sheet. I didn't look at it. What 653 00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:19,199 do you have? When it asked her what money are they like working with, 654 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,760 it's just called choose your own adventure cap sheet. Like that's basically they 655 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,000 can just they have over sixty if they want. Yeah, and like maybe 656 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:32,679 they will the forty two million and change assumes Basically the guys I mentioned Foltz, 657 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:38,440 Harris, Okike and Batadze are just not back. Assumes those guys are 658 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,280 gone. How are they getting to all the way up to the sixty? 659 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,159 Is that Jonathan isaac Is gets nob Yeah, that's how you get to the 660 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:46,280 sixty. So we know they're going to blow that. I have them so 661 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:52,960 if you guarantee Ji Caleb Houston pick up Wagner's team option Mo Wagner that is, 662 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,000 keep the number eighteen pick and then Reese. I actually have them resigning 663 00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:59,679 Gary Harris for identical money at thirteen million. So you're getting rid of Joe 664 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,760 Ingles. That's an Aaron Markel Foltz. You're still just like over thirty million 665 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,960 there, and I don't think they need more. Well, yeah, that's 666 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,239 so that's one of the biggest questions here. And then you know their best 667 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,239 spending tool, choose your own eventure. I think that's right. Maybe before 668 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,800 we get to that extension eligibilities, it's it's time Franz, Wagner, Jalen 669 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:21,400 Suggs already cover those one by one. Okay, what are their maxes? 670 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,480 So four years, one seventy three point seven or five and two twenty four, 671 00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:29,000 so we'll call it four one seventy four or five two twenty five? 672 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:34,000 Are you maxing? So I'm just gonna get something. I'm not giving Franz 673 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,760 Wagner the max if he wants and he's got to wait. I definitely wouldn't 674 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,159 do the five. I would be so if you're at four years, your 675 00:40:40,199 --> 00:40:44,239 average annual value is still up over forty million. For him, I know 676 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:45,559 the cap is going up with like I like, I don't know. His 677 00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:50,159 shooting season made me uneasy. I got into this with Grace Gean a little 678 00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:52,880 bit. I think she OpEd me and ended and she might have sold me 679 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,920 on just giving him the max. But like I'm making him wait at this 680 00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:59,480 point. If he wants the max, he could wait. You know, 681 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,480 increasingly that's my thought too, unless it's like I think someone like Scottie Barnes 682 00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:07,119 by for comparisons sake, like yeah, you probably got to do that. 683 00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:09,320 He's a rookie of the year, like he's I think barnes is like the 684 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,480 level where you just do a pin pull guy Franz is not. It's powerful, 685 00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:16,559 right, right, So I'm increasingly kind of getting into the idea of 686 00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:22,559 like restrictive free agency is still a real like powerful weapon for a team, 687 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,280 and so like as long as you're the player that you're going to allow to 688 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:30,039 hit free agency, is like not going to get bent out of shape over 689 00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:32,599 it, and like I think it's probably worth it in most cases. Just 690 00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:35,880 let it go, Like let it get to that point. You can frame 691 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,440 it as like we want your lower cap hole because maybe they don't use all 692 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,639 their caps pace this season and they're trying to roll some of it over. 693 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:45,519 But like if you extend Franz and at numbers just on your books for the 694 00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:49,320 max, like that obliterates a lot of possibilities. But it would if you 695 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,840 tell me they extended Franz, I would think it's more likely than that they 696 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,000 did something seismic this off season. So I might be more on board with 697 00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:58,119 this at that point. But in the vacuum, the max seems like a 698 00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:00,639 lot for him, like it's like I'm baking. You can kind of prove 699 00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:01,719 it, or but I'm pregnant, as like we just want your lower cap 700 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,599 hole. We don't know what it's gonna happen next summer. Yeah, I 701 00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:07,079 will say I feel like it's well, I guess that the number is so 702 00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:09,440 low for jail and sugs would have to do it. But I kind of 703 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,519 feel like for Sugs, it's if Franz doesn't get an extension, he's not 704 00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:15,559 getting an extension, and then if from want it increases the chances that he 705 00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:20,360 gets one because they've already fucked with their books for next year. Yeah, 706 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,199 it's if you could get Sugs for like four at one hundred, I think 707 00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:23,920 it's like, okay, yeah, that's the number. I think. Say 708 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:28,599 if it's twenty five million, like done, you'll have five and one twenty 709 00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:31,440 five? Hey it like for sure, I agree. But other than that, 710 00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:35,159 yeah, I'm I'm open to just letting it, letting it ride for 711 00:42:35,199 --> 00:42:37,840 another year and seeing because I mean, you know, we're all we think 712 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,519 the Magic have a bright future. But it's like, what's the harm in 713 00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:43,800 one more year of information? But I will say, though, unless if 714 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,159 Jalen Suggs comes in, I think it's more of a discussion with honor. 715 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,800 Clearly, if Jalen Sugs comes in and demands the match, then it's okay. 716 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,280 Wait, But if you go and that's what we're gonna get into now, 717 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,719 and you do stuff like and you just you use your cap space and 718 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,719 make trade, you sign guys, you might as well just extend these two 719 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,840 to build up the good will, because you're not gonna have that money to 720 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,159 spend next year anyway, again unless you have all these placeholder deals in place, 721 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,960 and so there might be some value in building up that good will, 722 00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:10,119 but if it's if that requires maxing out jail and sugs. As much as 723 00:43:10,159 --> 00:43:13,079 I love jail and sugs, like, no, like, I'm not maxing 724 00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:15,679 out jail and sugs. Yeah, right, I agree. Wendell Carter is 725 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:20,800 also eligible for an extension, but it's kind of funky. Uh, basically 726 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,320 your number here, you've got three years and sixty seven point eight million because 727 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:30,599 he's the average salary because I forgot his deal declines and so I went to 728 00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:32,280 one hundred and forty percent route and I was like, that's really low. 729 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,719 And I was like, oh shit, Like he's gonna be a ten point 730 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,159 nine million in the final year of his deal, so he's gonna be extending 731 00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:43,159 off the league's average annual salary. So like even the mid level that year 732 00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:45,320 is like in the fifteens, so the annual salary of the average salary is 733 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,679 normally lower than that. So I just I think I threw in like thirteen 734 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:52,880 or fourteen million. I would offer that extension that his deal was really good 735 00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:57,199 when he signed it, and it's not like he like blew the doors off 736 00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,599 and it somehow still got even better because of the decline. It's one of 737 00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:04,719 the best of the salary cap or something in the final year that deal that's 738 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,079 bonkers, and he's like a quality starting center like that could still get better. 739 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,960 It's what a I don't know about. I don't know who his agent 740 00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:14,719 is, but you got he maybe should have gotten a little more for that. 741 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,760 All right. That's those are our extension candidates. I mean their needs 742 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,800 are I'll just this is the twenty second ranked offense. The defense is awesome. 743 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,440 They get a ton of offensive production out of their forward spots and a 744 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,800 facilitation like more than most teams do. Between benk Carron Wagner. There needs 745 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,760 to be offense in the back court. Uh. And you can sort of 746 00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:38,679 again another choose your own adventure because I believe everyone agrees that Suggs can just 747 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,960 guard whoever he needs to guard one, two, three, and so you 748 00:44:44,039 --> 00:44:46,559 can just get an offense only guy and hide him at one of the guard 749 00:44:46,639 --> 00:44:51,320 spots. So to me, like that that just is there's other needs for 750 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,960 sure, but what's the bigger need. I'm noticing that I didn't update their 751 00:44:55,079 --> 00:44:59,639 needs for their sheet that we had. What's the bigger need to you shoot? 752 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,039 They could be tied up in the same player, by the way, 753 00:45:01,039 --> 00:45:04,599 they could do both, like they don't have to choose, But if they 754 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,000 end up choosing, what's the bigger priority, need to be the bigger priority 755 00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:10,639 for this team getting in like a floor general, someone who's upgrading the faults 756 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:17,079 Cole Anthony Jaellen, Suggs, floor general minutes or just shooting. I kind 757 00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:21,639 of think it's shooting. I don't feel like I could really Okay, No, 758 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,280 I was gonna say, I'm open to the other side of it. 759 00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:28,199 I just in my mind, I think, man, and maybe they'll just 760 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,960 be proved to be wrong. But between Suggs, Bancaro, Wagner and like, 761 00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:36,480 if you get a little bit of facilitation from whoever you sign with, 762 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,880 like as a shooter slash scorer, maybe it's enough. But but yeah, 763 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,159 like maybe it's not, and you're just never gonna be a better than league 764 00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:46,840 average offensive. You don't get someone to just run the show. And so 765 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,199 I'll frame it this way because I still think Anthony Simon's is my favorite trade 766 00:45:51,199 --> 00:45:53,000 target for him. Where if that's the only move they made, that is 767 00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:55,760 where you convinced me. Okay, they went the shot making route, but 768 00:45:55,840 --> 00:46:00,000 he does enough secondary passing that it's that is fine. But if you would 769 00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:02,079 to choose, let's say it was, well, we can trade less to 770 00:46:02,119 --> 00:46:06,320 get vote Don mcdonovich from Atlanta, or we can get to Jentrey Murray. 771 00:46:06,639 --> 00:46:08,800 I'm going to de Jonte Murray route because I think that the offense still kind 772 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:14,000 of needs that organization. And if you don't, if you if they disagree, 773 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,559 I think that has to be a vote of confidence in jail and Suggs 774 00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:20,320 more than anyone. Like we know what Palawo evolve in tune. You can 775 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,880 count on France for some stuff, but it feels like that needs to be 776 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:27,159 then a vote of confidence in Jalen Suggs is on ball decision making development, 777 00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:30,199 which again he showed flashes said especially after he would grab rebounds last year. 778 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,840 But I just him as the floor general. I don't know if that's how 779 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,079 you maximize your offense. Yeah, a lot of it I think maybe fairly 780 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,679 so falls on Bancaro. If that if that's the route you go where it's 781 00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,239 like you're just you know, in addition to probably having to be our leading 782 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,639 scorer, you are also like you are the be all end all for us. 783 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,039 He could be, but you still would like someone who's a plus passer 784 00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:57,400 at their position, let's like, or playmaker at their position. I don't 785 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,760 know if Jalen Suggs will ever be that because I don't view Marcus Smart as 786 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,440 a plus passer in his position. So I view it for Derek White, 787 00:47:04,519 --> 00:47:07,119 so he's like a super charge Derek White. Then you're fine. Yeah, 788 00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:09,000 Like those are kind of two different ends of the spectrums there. Yeah, 789 00:47:09,079 --> 00:47:12,199 no, you're right, I get you know. I really have been thinking 790 00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,360 about them more in terms of like get them a two, get them, 791 00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:16,599 you know, and we can get into the targets a little bit too, 792 00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:21,039 Like oh, Simons for sure, but Simons is kind of combo, ye, 793 00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:23,000 but like Buddy Healed, Klay Thompson, CACP, like look at that 794 00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:27,760 position as opposed to like, no, Suggs really isn't a one like he 795 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,400 just you know, so maybe maybe it does, but wouldn't it be I 796 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,840 don't know. I would feel disappointed if it was Tyas Jones a little bit, 797 00:47:35,079 --> 00:47:37,480 just because it'd be anti Well, that's the question. How aggressive do 798 00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:42,880 you expect this team to be with their resources this summer. We laid out 799 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,280 the timeline where it's this could be not their last shot. They'll saw the 800 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:50,440 flexibility to make trades. But in terms of having this caps flexibility, if 801 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,760 you extend either one of Suggs or Fronds, like this is your last chance, 802 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,960 then to have this type of flexibility, well, I think maybe you 803 00:47:58,039 --> 00:48:01,239 disagree that you just get guarantee Isaac's salary, so that takes you out of 804 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:06,599 the like ridiculous numbers and probably takes you out of max level guys in most 805 00:48:06,679 --> 00:48:08,239 cases because you're down in the forties. Now, who would you want to 806 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,559 Well, I'll throw this name out, the one that I'm like, if 807 00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:15,960 they just wanted to get spicy, I'm going hard after Emmanuel quickly and like, 808 00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:20,800 wow, maybe Toronto ends up matching, then fuck up, fuck up 809 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,280 their payroll while you're at it. He's kind of perfect. I haven't thought 810 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:27,760 about him at all, but he's he takes the like he's do you need 811 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,280 a one or two? And it's like yes and no, yes, yes, 812 00:48:30,679 --> 00:48:34,119 he's kind of on your size at the two. But like he fights 813 00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:37,079 defensively, and he's not I still think he has a long way to go 814 00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:40,679 as a live dribble passer, but like you saw it in Toronto, a 815 00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,599 little bit like getting better at maintaining his dribble. So like there's a pathway 816 00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:47,400 to him being not one of the maybe like when you're when you're framing him 817 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:52,719 as a floor general, will he be a top fifteen playmaker starting? No, 818 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,920 But because you have ban Carro and even Shugs and Franz Wagner, you 819 00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:00,920 don't need that. You just need someone who's can be a game plus game 820 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,079 manager. So that's the one where I'm like, because you said they might 821 00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:06,000 not have max money, Like, well, who you gonna max that anyway? 822 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,079 And like you know what I would, I would throw the max at 823 00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:09,599 the manual quickly or close to it and see what happens. Yeah. No, 824 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:15,679 it's so like I guess the move is putting that like that possibility aside. 825 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,599 I think you're trying. You're hoping to get two guys, right, 826 00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:22,000 you're hoping it's not just like one signing with even if you're if you're down 827 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,880 at like thirty million, then I don't know. But if you're at forty 828 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:31,239 plus that's maybe enough for Tias Jones and like, I don't know, take 829 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:36,400 your pick, probably like, but yeah, there's a lot of ways to 830 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,480 go. I think, like Gary Trent something like that. You could go 831 00:49:39,559 --> 00:49:43,719 get two, which again would feel sort of underwhelming because it's like it's got 832 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,719 to be Simon's or for a minute there was like, oh it should be 833 00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,920 Monk or like Klay Thompson. I think is not a good choice there. 834 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,840 Defensively better than most teams they could, but but it's also like, yeah, 835 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:59,400 maybe at the mid level like number like that makes sense for them, 836 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,320 but he's just we will also just address it be a hybrid of like, 837 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,559 okay, we used some of our capspace on X and then we went out 838 00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:08,679 we traded some salaries to get Anthony Simons. What ends up being the better 839 00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:14,320 offseason for them. They get a manual quickly and then like Buddy Healed or 840 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:20,000 Malik Beasley or they get Anthony Simons and then it's like, oh, we 841 00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:24,280 signed Monte Morris or Tias Jones. I mean, the first option sounds better 842 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,000 to me, don't you think I'd like, I hadn't thought about it at 843 00:50:28,039 --> 00:50:31,360 all, and I've been trying to send Simons there forever but quickly. You've 844 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,960 just like introduced quickly into my orbit here and I can't get it out of 845 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,679 my head, so I'd go quickly. And there's so many different They should 846 00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:42,159 also just create their own trade market, like they should make an offer for 847 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,360 Labelo Ball like that would be you talk about a team that like they they're 848 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,159 in transition a lot, but they're still kind of slow, like the semi 849 00:50:49,199 --> 00:50:52,039 transition stuff for the half court. It's weird. He'd be perfect there. 850 00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:54,639 I also asked, I'm not advocating for this because they should aim higher. 851 00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,760 I don't know what the state of his knees are. He's planning on playing, 852 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,239 but like in chicago's going to cheap out because they're Chicago and they just 853 00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,400 want Lonzo Ball's money off the books, and you're not gonna sign him manual 854 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,800 quickly or spend a ton of money on one of the top players they'll do 855 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:14,039 you consider like just like yeah, one year, if we're rolling potentially rolling 856 00:51:14,039 --> 00:51:16,119 over a cast, like let's just if he's gonna play, why not why 857 00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:20,880 not try it? The idea of a healthy Lonzo Ball helps every team, 858 00:51:21,079 --> 00:51:23,239 you know, like that, I know it's one year left and it's not 859 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,400 a big number, like I think it if you can. If Chicago, 860 00:51:27,519 --> 00:51:30,599 well, first of all, Chicago's like please take him, Like that's probably 861 00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:34,760 a red flag because there they know anybody. They're probably a team that's too 862 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,599 good to roll, like because you need to get there trying to make like 863 00:51:37,639 --> 00:51:40,159 if it was Detroit, if it was if it's another team, if it's 864 00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,599 Charlotte, even like, you make more sense to roll that dice. But 865 00:51:44,679 --> 00:51:46,719 for a team with immediate expectations, you probably shouldn't do it. And like, 866 00:51:47,039 --> 00:51:51,119 depending on where you are with your payroll, that might just be someone 867 00:51:51,199 --> 00:51:53,760 you can get on the buyout market at some point, like you know, 868 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,840 as long as you don't get to I forget now. I can't think about 869 00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,679 the rules for buyout guys. But you can't be in the tax or over 870 00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,480 the first apron or something I can't even remember what it is and sign someone 871 00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:07,079 that's making more than whatever I don't know, the mid level more than a 872 00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:09,119 non tax payer mid level. But they might not. They might not have 873 00:52:09,159 --> 00:52:12,800 to worry about that. Just a couple other names. Very quickly, I 874 00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,119 was thinking about Darius Garland's a good enough shooter. I don't know if I 875 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,280 like his playmaking, and of course he's finishing at the rim enough to say, 876 00:52:19,679 --> 00:52:21,960 if he becomes available, go after him. I think you poke around 877 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,559 because his value is probably lower than it's been. Could you get Kobe White 878 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,079 from Chicago? You're I mean, yeah, if you're willing to like put 879 00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:35,519 some picks up, I think. But I imagine White is like he should 880 00:52:35,559 --> 00:52:38,280 be one of Chicago's like most you know, untouchable guys. I have Jay 881 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,199 and no Ivey listed here. I hate it, but I figured I would 882 00:52:40,199 --> 00:52:44,719 just throw it in there. The other two names depending on the cost. 883 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,920 If it's like a two year deal, I'm not ruling out d Angelo Russell 884 00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:52,679 for this team. Ye other one, the Bucks might be able to break 885 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,719 up their core, Like do you if it's like a if it's literally just 886 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:59,719 Jonathan Isaac for Chris Middleton. First of all, I love that for the 887 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:06,039 buck Bucks, but yeah, probably because you're just dealing from a position of 888 00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:09,239 strengthen banking on Isaac not staying healthy. But Middleton, Middleton is we're talking 889 00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:13,679 about secondary pass. He's on the same level as Simon's of just like, 890 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,199 no, he's not gonna run the offense for you, but he can just 891 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,199 run the pick and roll basic pick and roll stuff and then you lean on 892 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,679 everybody else that you have. I thought about it, and I love it. 893 00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:23,880 I would do it. Yeah, I'm not it like and if there 894 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,119 has to be other stuff involved, you know what, I'm probably doing it 895 00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:30,960 anyway. So you can also just take Chris Middleton into cap space of the 896 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,760 Bucks. But they're gonna want players back, yeah, well of course, 897 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,119 like yeah, they neither are gonna need them. They can't get them any 898 00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:39,760 other way. All right, you want to go finish it out with Washington, 899 00:53:40,119 --> 00:53:44,519 Yeah, they should be a quick team. Notable free agents Tyas Jones. 900 00:53:44,519 --> 00:53:46,000 I'm very interesting to see if they work out a sign and trade with 901 00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:49,199 him, do they just pay him more to preserve the asset or do they 902 00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,920 maybe let him walk? He is unrestricted their salary cap situation the Glands, 903 00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:55,239 they can have like the teensiest amount of cap space, but it'll be less 904 00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:59,719 than the non tax payer mid level. So if you want to operate as 905 00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,880 an over the cap team by not just carrying Tye Jones's whole, but might 906 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,760 as well just resign him. Or if you want to keep Landry Shaman for 907 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,719 some reason, you're probably just better off having a salary, like an additional 908 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:13,840 salary slot to trade. Best betting tool I think will be the non taxpayer 909 00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,920 Emily. Though again, if they like capslock pay Tis, that could change 910 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:22,159 a little bit. Corey Kisbert is really their only notable extension eligible candidate. 911 00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:23,480 I'll be cure. What would you give him, Like if he just said 912 00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:29,440 I will sign for three years and forty million, I mean, that's a 913 00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:31,400 that's on the high end. I think probably for me, Oh, I 914 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:37,000 would do it. I think I think I would do it. And then 915 00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:40,119 the biggest needs they are what you would call the general talent and fusion team. 916 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:44,599 But I do think the two areas that stand out more than anything is 917 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,159 we need our and maybe it sounds like they're gonna end up with Alex Sar 918 00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:51,119 in the draft, but who knows. But they need a big man of 919 00:54:51,199 --> 00:54:52,920 the future and like kind of a floor general of the future. So if 920 00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:57,320 you're going to take stabs and free agency or trades, that's what I would 921 00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,719 be focusing on. And that's what just I mean, like all their questions 922 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:05,079 are the same. It's what happens with Tyas Jones. Do you let's do 923 00:55:05,159 --> 00:55:07,679 this, let's do quick hair questions on them. Is Tyas Jones in Washington 924 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:12,039 next season? I think he is, But he's there to be traded. 925 00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,480 I just I kind of feel like he's gonna be in San Antonio. I'm 926 00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:20,079 gonna say, I hope so that'd be great. I want him there for 927 00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:23,480 the Spurs. Will Kyle Kuzma be moved before the start of the season, 928 00:55:23,559 --> 00:55:28,239 not the trade deadline, before the start of the season. I think this 929 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,519 is maybe qualifies as bold, but I think so because I just think he's 930 00:55:31,559 --> 00:55:36,920 gettable. I think he's a guy that fits that position that a ton of 931 00:55:37,039 --> 00:55:39,119 good teams need. So like, if you can find a way to get 932 00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:44,199 to that number, which is only twenty three and change next year like that, 933 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,079 I think he's someone going to go down, right, Yeah, you 934 00:55:46,159 --> 00:55:50,199 got to move him, and I think you get two firsts. It depending 935 00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,840 on like how bad the money coming back is for him. And then Denny 936 00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:58,800 Avdia, do you think he's I think teams are gonna lust after him. 937 00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,199 Do you think they view him on the same level as Ballal and whoever they're 938 00:56:01,199 --> 00:56:05,840 going to draft it too? I think that they should, and I hope 939 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,239 that they do that. I feel like this was he's going to be in 940 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:13,559 Washington, Like if it's not. If he's not, it's because someone went 941 00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,440 the thunder offered three good firsts or something and they and then the balls will 942 00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,159 be looking like, oh, we couldn't have gotten one of those in the 943 00:56:20,199 --> 00:56:27,519 Alex Caruso trade or asked that question a lot so looking at like the like 944 00:56:27,639 --> 00:56:30,400 from a talent perspective, they're just like, what are you doing? Is 945 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:35,880 they're they're a team, so like you can't trade your own picks. You're 946 00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,159 not like super pick positive, so like you're not really taking like Walker Kessler 947 00:56:39,199 --> 00:56:42,840 would be a good example of someone who'd be great for this team. I'm 948 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,360 Washington. I mean they might end up with Alex r Anyway, I'm not 949 00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:49,039 training a first round pick for anybody. No, I think you need this 950 00:56:49,079 --> 00:56:51,920 will be boring, but I think this just needs to be what's your worst 951 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,199 contract team X, we will take it. Here's Kyle Kuzma or whatever else 952 00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:59,719 we need the picks with it. Like I just so they're they're like targets 953 00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:04,079 are different. It's almost like it's like bizarro targets like anti targets. It's 954 00:57:04,119 --> 00:57:07,880 like who who's out there that teams don't want that can give us stuff with 955 00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:12,559 them, because this team is like, depending on how you feel about Koulabali 956 00:57:12,639 --> 00:57:15,239 or Avdia, even if you're super optimistic about both, they don't have someone 957 00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,440 that rates as a true cornerstone. And even if they draft Sar, I 958 00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,360 don't think anyone wud use him that way either, So you just need This 959 00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:23,960 is the team I just banged the drum on, like, get as many 960 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:28,239 twenty five first as possible, hope you get Cooper Flag. If you don't, 961 00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,159 just like continue to pile these picks up, take on all the bad 962 00:57:30,239 --> 00:57:34,519 money you can. This is like you start building this team in like twenty 963 00:57:34,599 --> 00:57:37,880 twenty six, I think, and you're just hoarding shit until then. That's 964 00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:39,960 how I view it, and I do like look and I still want them 965 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,519 to kind of open up. I don't know how many of their flyers in 966 00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:46,360 Fury will actually stick from last year, but like, I still want to 967 00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:50,800 see more of Justin Champagne, Jules Bernard. I actually was kind of intrigued 968 00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,079 by Tritian Vuksovich. It's like those are names where it's you don't want to 969 00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:58,079 necessarily crib too much. Playing time from them by going out and even if 970 00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:01,719 you could get someone who like just helps you immediately, I would take again, 971 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,519 even if you're getting Alex Sar. I'm taking some stabs in the dark 972 00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,039 in free agency unless you're really worried about well, we don't want to hardcap 973 00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:12,400 ourselves to anything by using the mid level exception, but just trying out of 974 00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,599 markl Foltz or the Anthony Melton is Jallen Smith gonna be a free agent, 975 00:58:15,679 --> 00:58:19,079 get some stretch in the you know, kind of like the big Man spot 976 00:58:20,239 --> 00:58:22,840 super Like now you're taking fires precious to Chua. Feels like the Knicks might 977 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,679 have to let him walk even though he's restricted. I guess that changes that 978 00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:30,480 they lose Hartenstein, Luca Garza. I'll try out Kyra Lewis, the speed 979 00:58:30,519 --> 00:58:35,400 demon, mat Musquelli and san Antonio is a free agent. I still love 980 00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,320 if you could trade for like Jayden Hardy or Aaron Wiggins like the field, 981 00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,320 Like those are teams that might want Kyle Kuzma by the Yeah, I love 982 00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:44,639 Jayden Hardy as a piece back from Dallas. If you get Kuzma sent that 983 00:58:44,719 --> 00:58:47,920 way, I think I've higher the most on Hardy and he hasn't helped me 984 00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,679 out too much, but I believe still they should be a team. Like 985 00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,920 I don't know what Phoenix would want of theirs, but if you're gonna give 986 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:58,679 us number twenty two, we will take on use of nurkic money. And 987 00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:00,639 do you want Kyle Kuzma that, oh you can't. They can't do that, 988 00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:05,639 So salary structure probably don't work there. But those are the things like 989 00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,800 dwop wreath like you have eight and Robert Williams the third in Portland, like, 990 00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:12,320 could we maybe get some dwop wreath? And here Isaiah Jackson, he's 991 00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,960 extension eligible, but Indy has Pascal might have Jalen Smith, like where does 992 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,840 he sort of factor? And Miles Turner of course, where's the factor in? 993 00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,800 Those are just sort of the names like I would take stabs at on 994 00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,400 the trademark that I don't think would cost them first round equity. Yeah, 995 00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:29,559 hey, sons, pump up Royce O'Neill's number to exactly Kyle Kuzma's number, 996 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:34,760 draft number twenty two and we'll wait until we That is is just like there's 997 00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,639 a chance to just make yourself worse defensively and as a shooting team just because 998 00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:40,280 Kyle Kusma's the itppy there. So but that's what I'm waiting for, is 999 00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:44,159 I need I need the number from one of these second apron teams and one 1000 00:59:44,159 --> 00:59:49,719 of their own free agents to just match just someone someone like Kyle Kuzma's salary. 1001 00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,760 You're just like, something ridiculous. Do we do an emergency do we 1002 00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,679 pledge to do an emergency pod? When some bizarre number is agreed to, 1003 00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,760 it's like, oh, that's that's the one. Honestly, I think that 1004 00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,199 the answer that questions on you you know, I will be absolutely You'll do 1005 01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:07,280 right now. It's just on it is roy O'Neill Wright is the most likely 1006 01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,760 candidate to look back on, like why is his number match up perfectly with 1007 01:00:10,159 --> 01:00:15,719 Kyle Kuzma? Right, Yeah, that's weird, all right, Ben. 1008 01:00:15,199 --> 01:00:17,079 I feel bad that we didn't spend a ton of time, but like they're 1009 01:00:17,199 --> 01:00:21,400 just they're in the infancy. I like what they're doing from the front office 1010 01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,079 and coaching perspective for the most part. Like I said, I think they 1011 01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:25,360 might have found some some of the names I've listened before, some of those 1012 01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:30,320 like intriguing flyers that are are worth for their exploration. But if Tyas Jones 1013 01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,800 leaves, assuming they're gonna get alf sar like you like, take some dice, 1014 01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,719 rolls on on on some just like point guard types. Yeah, I 1015 01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:40,519 think that's right. That's going to cover our final division. The look aheads 1016 01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:45,480 are complete. Uh, this will all be useless after the drop. No, 1017 01:00:45,519 --> 01:00:46,840 I mean hopefully this will hold up for a little bit, a little 1018 01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:51,639 bit because we didn't talk start until Sunday. Technically a lot of it will 1019 01:00:51,679 --> 01:00:54,639 hold up for especially with teams like this where we talk mostly trade scenarios. 1020 01:00:55,039 --> 01:00:59,199 Yeah. True, Thanks everybody for listening, for watching. 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