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All right, let's do it.
All right, Welcome back to Nursing Uncensored.

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Guys. It is episode two of
season ten. I am recording only

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for the second time in the Chicago
studio. So it's evening and we've got

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a great show. We are talking
to the friend of the show. You

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may know him as the boot Nurse. We're going to be talking to Kevin

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Gibson. He is a multifaceted person
and someone that I'm proud to call my

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friend. He is a nurse,
an NCLEX coach, he's a Navy vet,

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he's a dad. He's an award
winning author, which we're going to

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talk about, and he's an all
around I love this word, nurse preneur,

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not just an entrepreneur like as Sue
first are entrepreneur, a nurse preneur.

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So we're going to welcome Kevin to
the podcast. Kevin, what's upped?

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First of all, that intro just
gave me goosebumps. I love that.

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I love it. You earned it, you earned it. I just

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said it in nursepreneur. That's a
It's definitely multifaceted and anybody can do it.

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I'm nothing special, but I definitely
put the work in for that,

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and so I like nurse preneur for
sure. But yeah, well thanks for

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having me once again on your show. It's I love being on these with

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you, so I appreciate it.
Yeah, we keep up with each other

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on social media, but it's always
nice to have an actual face to face

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conversation and catch up because we haven't
really done a big catchup, and you

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have had so much change since we've
talked, like what like a couple of

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years ago something like that. I
think it was like it was twenty twenty

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one, so it was almost three
years ago. Gosh, think about what

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life was like. No, don't
think about what life was like in twenty

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twenty one. And I take it
back, but we're in much better places

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now. I think that's true for
me, and I think that's true for

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you, and I hope that's true
for the people listening here as well.

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So let's rewind. Let's back it
up a little bit. Last time we

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talked, you had like we're either
just about to start ICU or had just

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started ICU, And I know you've
talked a little bit about that experience on

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like your Instagram channel and probably your
other social media as well. Well,

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let's back it up, because we
for months were like, oh, you

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got to come back on the show
and talk about your ICU experience because you

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are no longer in the ICU.
Is that correct? That is correct.

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I am no longer in ICU.
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a little bit. Can we go
back to the early days of ICU and

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just talk for a second about what
that experience was like for you. Yeah,

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so, of course everybody know,
I was very gung ho about going

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to the going to the ICU,
and I I made it very apparent for

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that to happen. I went to
the ICU, and it happened just so

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happened to be. When the second
wave of COVID started, it was very

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chaotic. It was very chaotic,
and it was very I wouldn't say unorganized,

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but it was. It tried to
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it was just extremely chaotic on a
lot of the things that were that were

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happening. That's how I would literally
say my very first aspect of working in

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a medical ICU, not necessarily burn
IC but the medical ic you at a

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different facility than that I was at. It was wild and I don't know

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about the facility that you were in. But in my hospital, the medical

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ICU is where we saw a lot
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patients are prone patients. Like it
was some pretty serious business. Like even

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after like kind of the first wave
and everything had settled down, it was

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still pretty gnarly. I know that
I did the crash course in the ICU,

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like I'm progressive care. I've never
done ICU, and that time where

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they were like, here's how you
tied right to med and you get three

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gos at it with a nurse before
you're like doing it. So the terror

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that I felt was incredible. So
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Now you're an experienced nurse, you're
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for someone I imagine that has at
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I know you've talked about your situation
with like your preceptors and how that was,

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and I think that's like a hallmark
example of what the chaos is like

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in a situation like that. In
the ICU, I saw that a lot

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with preceptors where I was in Progressive
care. Just you want to talk a

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little bit about that like your your
pilethora of preceptors. Yes, if anybody's

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ever seen my wife with the ICU
videos on Instagram or on TikTok, I

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said that I had seven. I
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were nine. I went to find
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walk into that ICU during like my
orientation, somebody dies. I think the

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first day we were in there,
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like new to that hospital. I
think, like, Egiene, we're from

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three to five people died from COVID
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on stability or instability. I'm sorry, so this is all kind of wildness,

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but yeah, I had I had
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getting a but she didn't know that
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when I walked up and showed up, she was just like, oh what,

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So she didn't know I was supposed
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the first thirty seconds of me talking
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oh, I don't know why she
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PRN WHOA. See, that's already
a terrible situation because you feel unwanted they

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feel overburdened. A statement like that, I don't know why she gave you

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to me. That's already I don't
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like dismissive of you. So you're
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am I doing here? For no? Absolutely, And that's how I felt.

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And the thing that really trips me
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background as an instructor and as an
educator, because I was a master instructor

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while I was in the Navy,
and I've been an educator for I just

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hit nine years in January. So
the fact that somebody who was a preceptor

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had the audacity to open up their
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is new that you've never met before, it's wild to me. And of

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course, just like everybody else that's
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and I was like, Okay,
I don't know you. I don't know

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what you've been through, I don't
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going to take that one for what
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keep it. We'll just keep it
moving. And then it was more everything

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was task driven. It wasn't necessarily
the why. It was more of hey,

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we need to do this, Hey, we need to do this,

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and I'm just like, okay,
yeah, that's how my first day was.

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They're not putting the energy into you. They're not saying this is how

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the culture of this unit is.
This is how you manage these patients,

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this is how you time manage.
That's the kind of stuff you need.

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You can look at the task list
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figure out when your meds are due. You don't need a preceptor to tell

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you that. You need someone to
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and to learn the specialty. I
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I've been a preceptor also for years. Even when because I just like last

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week, got a surprise student.
It was just for a few hours,

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but my initial thought was, oh, this is going to be exhausting.

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Yeah, like, I don't have
the energy for this. But I would

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never say that to this eagerly excited
student who's like hoping that she doesn't get

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a bitch to follow around, So
to create that anxiety and a student like

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that, or not even a student
like someone, you are a student in

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that moment because when you do have
things to learn in that setting, But

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to say something like that is like
too immediately to put a pin in their

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balloon and pop it on way to
Not only that, but even if you

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are PRN, you're still going to
be working on a unit PRN. So

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now you've just chat in the well
that you'll be sharing with this person that

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you have to work with, so
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the way around. Terrible. Yeah, so that was day one, right,

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wow, Yeah, that was day
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wasn't just that hospital. It's just
it was a national thing. It was

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a worldwide thing. But I can
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world. And during that time,
it was just everybody was feeling it.

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Every It didn't matter where you were, but everybody was feeling it. And

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it was a second wave, so
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We did date it. They didn't
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were using what they found to treat
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Uh, not reemda Zevie. Oh
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That's what it was, just just
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know, it was just chaos.
And confusion, burnt out on, appreciativeness,

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just everything that you could think of. Yeah, it's when you work

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and work and you never feel like
you're getting caught up, and then all

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of a sudden you're like, oh, cool, it's going to get bad

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again. Like I haven't even caught
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I think that you're right. It
was national. It wasn't just like an

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isolated incident. It wasn't just your
experience in the ICU. It was happening

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everywhere. And you had that experience
with other preceptors as well, right like

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you had somebody else that was like
peace out, I'm out of here.

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Oh yeah I did. And it's
crazy because out of the nine preceptors that

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I had, there was one that
I verbally and openly said that I would

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like to stay with her and shout
out to Amanda, Amanda, if you

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ever listened to this, just now, I love you. And when I

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said hey, she said she would
precept me because she's exactly what a preceptor

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is. Very was very, was
teaching, was coaching, was calm,

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was was heartwarming, was not like
she was everything that you could think of

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on an educator's aspect, and I
was like, I love it. I

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love that shit, I love it. That's my education is just the thing

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that just really it's just a great
feeling for me. And so when I

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had it, I was just like, hey, I would like to work

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with her, and they were just
like, well, you're going to nights,

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and so they just completely disregarded they
disregarded everything I said my feelings.

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That was one of many times where
I would express myself and it would just

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be disregarded, and I was just
like, okay, cool, Just like

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that little spiral notebook you got,
I'm just right. I'm just taking down

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notes for when the time comes,
because it's no matter of it's not the

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matter of if I leave, it's
a matter of when I leave. And

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that was just one of the big
things of the reason why I left.

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And I feel like, as nurses, we do need to take note of

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these things, because these are the
things that create toxic workplaces, that create

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burnout, and you need to recognize
them as early as you possibly can,

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because you don't want to notice this
two three years down the road when you're

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like, why have I been dealing
with this for all this time? Like

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why have I been dealing. But
yeah, it's a shout out to Amanda

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the preceptor. By the way,
wherever she is on day shift, got

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a lesser. She's a nurse practitioner
now, oh rightfully. And it's wonderful

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that she's taking that knowledge and she's
bringing it into advanced practice. But it's

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also sad that there's one fewer preceptor
at the bedside, because it's always the

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good preceptors that are like onward and
upward, there's always a new influx.

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I wish there were more. But
for those of you that are listening to

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this that are like, I think
maybe I would like to be a preceptor,

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yes, you would if you're thinking
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you'd like it, if you think
maybe you'd be good at it. Might

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not be good at it on day
one. I keep doing it, get

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used to it, learn, listen
to other people. You will get good

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at it. And it is a
satisfying skill. Like when you spend a

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shift with a student and at the
end of that shift or at the end

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of that practicum or whatever they're doing, they're like, this was the best

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experience. It gives you this feeling
of satisfaction. Okay, all the bulls

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should I put up with? It's
worth it, Like when I have somebody

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that actually feels like what you're describing, where it's like, oh, I

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finally have somebody that I feel like
I can learn from. I'm sorry that

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was taken away from you, but
it sounds like, yeah, was just

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like one more nail in the coffin
for your time in the icue of one

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of many, and just for all
the listeners that are out there. If

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you're a new student, or even
if you are a season nurse, just

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know and first season nurses you should
already know this already. But a good

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preceptor can make a break a new
grad. Yeah, And I really need

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for everyone who was in that position
to realize where you came from and to

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not forget where you came from because
a lot of people, a lot of

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people are just like, oh,
I'm here. Fuck them, they'll figure

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it out. The nursing profession is
in dire straits right now, is and

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it's visibly out there. So you
being how you are towards these new,

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bright eye, bushy tailed people that
want to be a part of this profession.

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And it's the same thing that I
say when people argue that they don't

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have kids, so they don't want
to pay school taxes. It's the same

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argument. You are responsible for the
next generation of people that are surrounding you.

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Do you want to be surrounded by
a bunch of incompetent morons? Or

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do you want to be surrounded by
people that have skills and empathy and critical

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thinking? Like you're training the nurses
that are someday going to be your coworkers,

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your coaches, your managers, your
advanced practice nurses. Like, these

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people are going to keep moving up
in or at least being around in healthcare.

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So your team, like whether you're
training a nurse that may go off

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and work a job somewhere else,
or whether you're training and pre accepting a

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nurse that's going to work on your
unit. Who are training the people that

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are going to be standing beside you
when the shit hits the fan? Do

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you want them to be horribly trained? Probably not, I'm guessing not.

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Don't horribly train them, not one
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I know there were multifactorial reasons that
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some people love the ICU and they've
worked there their entire careers. How did

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you know this wasn't the place for
you. Like what made you go,

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Okay, this is game over.
I need to plan on my exit strategy.

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There were a multitude of things from
just my really bad sleep patterns because

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I was working at night. I
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I didn't I didn't want to work
nights. I believe we as people shouldn't

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be working nights anyway. But then
again, hey, what's part of the

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profession. You got to work both
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the biggest thing, two of the
biggest thing, but one of one of

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them was that when you express yourselves
of your concern nobody listens to you.

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And for the fact that I didn't
get listened to for my concerns, I

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have a problem with that because if
I'm telling you that I'm having a concern

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and then something happens that is out
of my control, i e. If

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somebody dies, then that's something that's
going to wail my conscience for a long

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time. And it's going to be
something that I've told you guys in writing,

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by the way, in writing about
how the problem that I'm having,

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And so that was one second thing
is the level of continuity, the having

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the same patient over and over and
over to where you essentially start to learn

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the full body assessment aspect behemo dynamics. Hey, if I have a DKA

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patient, give somebody a DKA patient
for a week. But in the hospital

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that I had, it wasn't like
that. It had everybody there, so

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there was no continuity of care.
Versus if you go to a level one

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trauma facility, they have those floors
where you could have five or six KA

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patients that are right there. That's
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that was my first mistake. All
new nurses go to a level one

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trauma facility. If you can just
just go fu. You're hearing it from

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me. But the thing that really
broke the straw, that really broke the

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camel's back was and I did a
TikTok on this as well. Where I

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had they gave me three patients,
two were intubated and one was essentially had

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just got done with dialysis. Yeah, your eyes are fued right now.

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Yeah, that's not listen. I've
seen it to where this ICU gave this

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gave two critical care patients, two
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not only was getting actively getting CRT, but then it was actively on a

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balloon pump and no and not me, but I saw somebody else. Yeah,

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but for the experienced nurses, you
shouldn't. No one should ever be

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that way. I don't care how
much experience you have. You can't be

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in three places at once if you
have three high alarms going off at the

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same time. I agree. So
it's not about how good your time management

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is. If you have three patients
d SA adding at the same time,

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if you have three patients trying to
rip out their ET tube at the same

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time, it doesn't fucking matter how
many years you've been a nurse. You

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cannot split yourself between rooms. Yep. I agree. Look, I've had

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three patients that were on they were
spaced in between three rooms, and then

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another one that was on the other
side of the floor. Oh hell no,

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And then in Texas we have what
we call save Harbor and that and for

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those that don't know what safe harbor
is, that is where you can report

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on safe patient nurse ratios in case
of something that happens out of your control.

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So if a patient dies or if
they're critical and you're in a room

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that's way across the floor. So
essentially it's to see why you cover your

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ass, right, Yeah, But
the straw for me was those aspects of

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patients. Me advocating for my patient, nobody listening to me. And I

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said, to this patient who just
got finished with getting dialysis, he's he's

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he's untundent, real slow. The
dialysis nurse apparently word of mouth is that

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he's known to just draw so much
fluid from people so fast and not put

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it back, and I'm just like, or not put it back at a

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rate, and then they're just just
looking like that, and I'm just like,

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Okay, I need to tell somebody
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They were just like, we need
to we need what do you think

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do we need to keep them or
do we need to get rid of them?

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And I was just like, oh, we need to keep him,

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and they were like, oh,
we have a surgical patient coming up,

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so we need to move them.
And I'm like what, So I'm just

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like, we shouldn't move him.
So I advocate for my patient. Once

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again, no one's listening to me. So I'm advocating for my patient,

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advocating, and now it's just like, how is he doing? Now?

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Can we move him? I'm like
no. And then the third time they

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were like, we're going to move
them anyway, and so they were like,

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so, just get them ready to
report and I'll take him over there.

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Then they took him over there,
and I'm like, okay, I

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wrote it in the note and I
said what I said, what she said,

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all that stuff. And then they
bring up a surgical patient. It's

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probably about midnight, and it's a
septic patient, somebody who was actively in

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sepsis. Now, the issue with
somebody who was actively in sepsis was not

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my issue. The issue was when
I was asking for help, no one

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helped me. That was the issue. I have had hemo dynamically on stable

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patients at that point, but nothing
to somebody who was actively having sepsis to

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this point, and so that's something
that was new to me. So I

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was like, hey, so I'm
not really sure help me right vent management

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I could do all that stuff,
and I'm just like, listen, so

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there's some stuff that's not really vibeing
with my mind. Right now, I'm

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gonna feel overwhelmed. And they were
just like, no, you got it.

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You're like, I'm telling you,
I don't. I don't know what

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the fuck I'm doing. My exact
words, I have my pull my mask

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down, and I told her everything. And then at that point, angry

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black man the stereotype or what is
it, an angry black man or aggressive

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male that's on the floor, and
I'm just like, oh, so now

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you hear me as I'm being aggressive
to you. But whether I try to

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talk calming to but like when I
was telling right, when I was trying

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to tell you, as a civilized
human being, you weren't fucking listening.

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Yep. And that's what happened.
This is nobody was listening. So that

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was probably the worst one of the
worst nights I've had because I never felt

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I never felt so alone. And
not only that, this was the most

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critical patient on our floor, who
was the furthest away from the nurses station,

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so he was all the way by
the trauma elevators and we call it

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Narnia because it was cold and it's
dark back there, and he was by

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himself and it was just me.
So you're by yourself, by myself with

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three patients that are now antibating.
One of them actively had COVID and he

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was gonna he was at some point
going to pass away. He was,

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but he was still intibated on the
presser's And then I had another guy.

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I'm sorry, the second guy,
he wasn't intibated. He was withdrawing from

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opiates or something like that. So
he's a dude who asked pulling us fully

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cast at her, out standing up, pissing all over, agitated. Yeah,

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I couldn't even couldn't even go to
the bathroom without somebody. When me

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coming back there, and then you
see him standing up pissing on the floor,

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blood all over the floor, and
two other nurses and they're helping them.

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I'm like, what in the fuck
just happened here? Bro? I

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was gone for fucking five minutes and
he was there. They were cool though,

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they were fine about it, but
it was just about the whole situation,

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and long story short. Luckily,
there was a travel nurse there who

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I love. Her name is two
I spelled Thhu, being ICU nurse for

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I think ten plus years at that
point and was amazing. And she was

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like, come on, come on, I got you. She had already

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had two bene patients on her own. She was just like I got you,

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and like I said, it wasn't
the aspect of me doing all those

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other things. It was about the
fact that when I had questions about anything,

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people just said figure it out.
And that sink or swim shit.

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I don't know. I don't know
where that originated from, but fuck all

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of you. Yeah, And here's
the thing. If you're on the other

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side of that, if you're the
person that can't breathe, do you want

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your nurse to just be like,
maybe they'll call, maybe they won't,

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maybe they're busy, maybe they're won't
they aren't the rest of the nurses or

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kicking it at the nurses station.
I just want to give a little PSA

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to all of our new grads,
our new nurses, our nurses that have

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been in practice only maybe a short
time or maybe a year or two.

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If you see someone that is fucking
drowning, don't wait for them to ask

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for help. Go help them.
If you're not helping them with what they're

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actively doing. Make sure their other
patients aren't falling out of bed de satting.

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Do they need to be changed,
do they need suction? Are there

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meds all hours late, check into
this, be a good It's not just

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about being a good coworker. You
may hate the guts of the nurse you're

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helping, what you're ultimately doing is
saving the person on the other end of

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that like care. So I'm sorry, but that's our responsibility as nurses.

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When we sign up to be nurses. We don't just sign up to be

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nurses to the people we're assigned to
that night. That doesn't mean that you

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have to run nuts. You got
your own shit to do. I get

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it. Sometimes everything's on fire and
it's everybody's trying to get their own stuff

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done. Yeah, but if you're
just like on your phone, you're looking

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at Zilla on the internet like you're
dreaming of the two million dollar hole you

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can't afford to buy, get off
your ass and go replace that bag that's

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about to run dry. Okay,
that's my PSA, Thank you much.

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No, I get it, And
like, for the most part, all

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nights, I was very good at
that, especially the best off of my

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patients. I would walk and I
would hear pumps going off, and I

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would like, Hey, so and
so is this yours? Hey, your

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pump is out? Hey, I
changed your pump for you. Hey I

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did this, Hey I did I
was one of those people. But then

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it's just like the moment that I
ask for help, they're just like,

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oh, no, you got it
because you already know how to do it.

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I'm just sighting that's a toxic.
That's a toxic in it. I'm

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glad you're out of there. So, by the way, I just I

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want to just interject one thing.
I don't mean interupt. We have on

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my unit. We're a pulmonary unit
for pulmonary hypertension. We give a medication

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called flow land. It's an IVY
medication has a half life of six minutes.

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It can cause rebound hypertension and really
put that patient in a bad place.

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So, like we're told at the
start of every huddle of every shift,

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if you hear that pump deeping in
nine, I don't care who you

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are, you go in and restart
it because we have six minutes before we

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have dire consequences for that patient.
So anyway, I just wanted to say

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that to people like, you may
not know what's running. It might be

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their hepburn drip, it might be
their pressor it might be like might just

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be a TKO sale who knows,
well, check it out. Check it

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out. If you're walking by and
you don't have anything going on, check

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it out. Okay, yeah most
of the time. And if your unit

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is the type of place where no
one would ever do that for you start

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shopping for a new job. Yep, Okay, then you started. You

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did. You started looking for a
new opportunity thing else. And that was

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actually I think day four or four, and I was just like, I

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needed that and I needed to go
I need to go away. So I

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think I had like four or five
days off, but I had my reserved

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duty that weekend and I was just
so pissed off, and so I I

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messaged a manager and I was like, hey, are you busy? So

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I left my reserve unit meeting or
whatever I had going on, and I

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went straight up back up to the
hospital uniform at all and I don't try,

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I don't walk anywhere in my uniform. And she was just like,

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hey's everything okay. I was like
no, and so I told her flat

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out. I was just like I
hate this place, I hate this fucking

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job, and I'm done. And
she was just like, oh my god,

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why, And I was just like, oh, and of course,

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what do I do? I breacoping
the fucking book that I have a list

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of things, and I was just
like, this person is trash. This

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person is trash. How exactly do
I go through all this? I asked

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you about this? And then specifically, there are things that she said to

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me verbatim that I wrote down and
I repeated them back to her. These

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were months later, and she was
just like, wow, my god.

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And then at the end of the
day, she was like, what do

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you How can I help you?
And I was She was like, do

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you want to go back to days? I asked you to go back to

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day's long time ago, and you
told me no. Oh, I asked

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you for more time for something,
on something, and you told me no,

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too little, too late. And
even if she had put you back

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on days for a little while,
how long before they flipped your aspect Tonight's

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how long before it starts off over
again? Yep? And so that's exactly

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what happened. And she was like, I could put you on days,

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I can you know for blah blah
blah. I did what maybe two like

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my next set of shifts were like
days, and I think by the end

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of the first day, I was
just like, I'm done. I'm just

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going to finish out these lasts and
I told her, I was like,

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I'm done, and she was She's
like, where do you want to go?

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And I was like, I'm going
to go back. I want to

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go back to the o War.
And I knew the director that lived in

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00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:37,599
that lived that worked in the war, and he was like, come on.

409
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,839
And I finished out my last shift, and then that following Monday,

410
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,480
I went to go see him.
I was waiting to do. There was

411
00:24:44,519 --> 00:24:47,240
some other paperwork that needed to be
done. So I worked in pack You

412
00:24:47,759 --> 00:24:51,279
for about two months three months,
which was fine. I loved pack You.

413
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,160
Pack You was the holy grail in
my opinion, and that then my

414
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,400
son was born, so I was
gone for that. And then when I

415
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,799
came back after those two weeks,
I started working in the Oar and I

416
00:24:59,839 --> 00:25:07,200
were to the Oar from April of
twenty twenty two, so yeah, April

417
00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:11,960
twenty twenty two essentially until now.
What was the transition like, as you

418
00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:15,440
like, not so much like the
actual functional transition, but like, how

419
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,240
did you feel doing this? I
hope you would have a sense of cool.

420
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,200
I took control of the situation that
wasn't serving me, and I changed

421
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,039
it. But like, how did
that feel emotionally for you? Because obviously

422
00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:29,880
you wanted to be in the ICU, you went there in the first place.

423
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,240
Yeah, what were you feeling throughout
all of this? A lot of

424
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,400
people don't realize. I've had people
that flat out come to me. They

425
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,200
were like, bro, if you
couldn't hack it, just say that now.

426
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:38,599
It was just like, it's funny
when people on the internet can just

427
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,920
say what they want, yeah,
without consequence, right, And I was

428
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,680
like, okay, But I had
already worked in the ICU a little It

429
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,279
was like a year and three months
at this point, and then earl year

430
00:25:47,319 --> 00:25:49,400
two three months at this point,
from between the burn ICU, the medical

431
00:25:49,559 --> 00:25:55,240
ICU, and then floating down to
neuro and so I was just like it

432
00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:59,640
was time to go, because I
know mentally I wasn't there anymore. And

433
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,640
when I transitioned from that, it
was more along the lines of for a

434
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,400
short period of time, is oh
my god, what are people going to

435
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,119
think of me? But then I
said to myself, no part of me

436
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,279
gives a shit about what these people
think about me, because in the end,

437
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:15,960
mentally if I can't take care of
myself, I definitely can't take care

438
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,640
of my patients the correct way that
I want to. And that aspect of

439
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:26,359
me being emotional about it was very
short lived during the transition, because one

440
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,480
thing that people don't realize is when
you're a nurse, you're versatile and you

441
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,839
can essentially go anywhere. So my
frustration was very short lived. And it

442
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,799
wasn't the specialty that you couldn't hang
with. It was the really not helpful

443
00:26:37,839 --> 00:26:41,359
people, and you could who's to
say a few years from now, and

444
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,599
I'm not saying you, well,
well, in theory, you could go

445
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,759
to a different hospital with a different
culture and a different group of people and

446
00:26:47,799 --> 00:26:52,039
thrive in the ICU. It really
is about time and place and the people

447
00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:56,400
that you are surrounded by. So
I think that it's good that you had

448
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,839
the perspective to be like, this
just wasn't for me. I hope that

449
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,640
other people feel that way, because
it's true. People are going to be

450
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,240
like, oh, you couldn't have
it. You know what, you go

451
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,119
do it. You go do something
where people are like sabotaging you and not

452
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,480
helping you. And those people that
are like, you know, Christened by

453
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,720
fire or whatever the word is.
You're not a better nurse because you had

454
00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:22,319
to struggle the whole way through.
Imagine how much better you'd be if you

455
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:30,000
were supported and encouraged and taught and
given the tools you needed upfront, and

456
00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:32,960
you didn't have to fight for every
fucking skill you have. Sorry, I'm

457
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,799
cursing a lot. I'll clean up
my act. No, I won't.

458
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,680
I'll never up my act. Wearing
like a sailor I love it. Yeah,

459
00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:44,200
So I want to jump forward a
little bit because I'm really excited about

460
00:27:44,599 --> 00:27:48,160
the work you're doing away from the
bedside. Yeh, You've got You've got

461
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:53,039
like a whole new universe that you've
created for yourself. You've got the ill

462
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,200
you talk about it. We'll talk
about your online endeavors a little bit for

463
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,119
those I'm sure a lot of people
already know, because I think we a

464
00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:03,880
lot of audience. But talk about
what you've been doing online. Yeah,

465
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,960
So I before I do that,
one thing I will say about that.

466
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,680
Yeah, sorry, Well, one
thing I will say about the ICU is

467
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:15,160
that the majority of people there were
great. It's the system, yeah,

468
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,759
of how the hospital ran, which
was which terribly sets everybody out for failure.

469
00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:23,680
But anyway, so that's and when
you have management that doesn't listen when

470
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,119
you say, look, there's a
flaw in the system, there's a flaw

471
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:32,440
in the way it's being trained.
There's a toxicity in the culture here because

472
00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:34,279
maybe I spoke a little harshly.
Maybe it's not a group of people.

473
00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:38,160
Sometimes there is. Sometimes there's a
group of people that are truly toxic and

474
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,079
they feed off of each other and
they run and clicks, and it can

475
00:28:42,119 --> 00:28:47,400
be very like that. Like I've
experienced that in other units, and I

476
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,920
feel like it's more in critical care. Like you don't find a lot of

477
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,720
bitchy sorority like clicks in Medsurge,
at least I haven't in my experience.

478
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,720
But then when you get up into
the critical care, higher stakes ego,

479
00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:07,559
like they're like I remember going to
SICU floating there and going into huddle and

480
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,519
people are like fighting to take the
sickest patients. Now that's not my mindset.

481
00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:15,680
I don't walk into a unit and
go I want the sickest son of

482
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,400
a bitch in this hospital. Like
that's not But these are all people that

483
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,400
like want to go to CRNA school. They want to like they want to

484
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:27,119
lamp up their skills, and like
they want the person that's on CRT and

485
00:29:27,119 --> 00:29:32,680
they're on like six press or like, I don't thrive in that environment.

486
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,359
But there were people that were like
clawing over each other metaphorically trying to get

487
00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:41,680
these patients, and they didn't want
the patients that were just like stable vented.

488
00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:47,160
They use some horrible terms to talk
about those patients. So that's a

489
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,960
culture that doesn't make sense to me. Like I get it, but I

490
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,920
don't get it for sure. But
yeah, I feel like it's a bit.

491
00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:56,359
The culture's a lot of pieces.
So I wasn't trying to crap on

492
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,960
a particular group of people. So
you escaped a situation that was not ideal

493
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:03,559
for you, and now you are
in a situation that is ideal or seems

494
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,039
very ideal. Seems like you're thriving. I love it, actually, so

495
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,319
I and other people love it too. I'm seeing the rave reviews you're getting

496
00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:15,599
and the people that are emailing you
and being like, Kevin Rocks, why

497
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,920
do you rock? Kevin? I
was just born that way. No,

498
00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:22,880
But when I was working in the
Oar, I ended up falling in the

499
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,200
Oar. Oh, and I actually
ended up like hurting my back, and

500
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,920
not only hurting my back, but
also I had to have surgery because I

501
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,640
had a torn meniscus after that.
So when that happened, this was in

502
00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:37,880
February of twenty three, so it's
been a year. So when that happened,

503
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,359
I was just like, I need
to think about I need to think

504
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:42,599
about something else because not saying that
the bedside is just not for me,

505
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,240
but it's just like my love for
wanting to be at the bedside is just

506
00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:48,119
it's started. It's just dwindling.
And like I said, I've been an

507
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,359
educator for quite some time, and
I was just like I had a and

508
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,839
I struggled to pass the in clicks. So I was like, you know

509
00:30:53,839 --> 00:30:57,160
what, let me start coaching people. And I had already essentially been coaching

510
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,079
people before that anyway, and I
know we talked about that before. So

511
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:07,680
I started coaching more people, and
then I eventually created my own essentially formally

512
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:15,039
created a coaching program and Inclex,
an enclex preparatory program where I do three

513
00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:19,359
recorded videos for really high topic type
of questions, high topic hype of content,

514
00:31:21,079 --> 00:31:26,759
and yeah, essentially last year I
started an Inclex course that's really great.

515
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,400
I think about that and I'm like, that seems like a lot of

516
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,119
work, but you put the work
in, and you have a lot of

517
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,480
people that I love scrolling you.
I took a gander at the Instagram post

518
00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:41,319
you put up, and there's a
lot of people that are really excelling,

519
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,039
like passing their endclus after using your
program. And you do live streams like

520
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:49,119
you go through questions online, you
post them their YouTube, so like people

521
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,680
can even go back and review that
stuff. I as I've talked about this

522
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,880
before, I love enclex review because
I was a nurse, especially as a

523
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:02,799
specialty in art. Especially as a
specialty nurse, you lose a lot of

524
00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:07,440
stuff. Yeah, so this is
this is valuable content and it seems like

525
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,160
you have fun doing it too.
I love it. I enjoy it.

526
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,119
So that's the thing is like people
don't realize how hard the work is to

527
00:32:14,519 --> 00:32:19,000
open up a med search book,
cite everything, create the content, create

528
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:22,880
the power points, then record it
and I do my lives. And I

529
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:27,759
enjoy doing my lives because I love
to talk shit to people, especially when

530
00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:30,960
people come into my lives telling me
that the questions are easy and that you

531
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,200
would never see these questions on inclex, and I was just like, how

532
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,160
can you never see these on inclex? The National Board has ten, like

533
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,119
over ten thousand types of different types
of questions, everything from very extremely easy

534
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,960
questions to very hard questions. So
for you to say that you never see

535
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,200
it on inclex, somebody who only
took it once at eighty five questions have

536
00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:50,079
no idea what the other ninety nine
percent of those questions are going to ask

537
00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:52,720
you. So I'm glad that you
know that you'll never see it, clown.

538
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,759
But I love getting on TikTok and
talking shit to people. It's funny.

539
00:32:57,039 --> 00:33:00,839
I'm see that and wrong, and
sometimes more wrong they are, the

540
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:04,799
more confident they are. Yeah,
one hundred percent. Yeah, it's true.

541
00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:08,319
And also, who's to say that
one of those quote unquote easy questions

542
00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:12,680
isn't going to give you a foundational
piece for something that's going to come up

543
00:33:12,839 --> 00:33:15,200
in the futuregon, And it's there's
no shame in it not being that easy.

544
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,519
That's why we're all here exactly.
And it's all about, like you

545
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:22,319
said, laying a foundation. When
I get on TikTok and I do these

546
00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:25,880
lives because I do them. Mondays
Wednesdays and Fridays at five thirty Central time.

547
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,680
I tell everybody, I'm like,
listen, there are people that are

548
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,079
here who literally today just open up
their mouth and say that they wanted to

549
00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:36,920
be a nurse, and the algorithm
heard them, and then here I am.

550
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,920
So you have Then you have people
that are who are doing pre ricks,

551
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,119
people that are getting into school,
people who are actively in school,

552
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,079
people who have graduated failed inclects multiple
times and are now already a nurse for

553
00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:50,200
a year or a season. Nurse, I get nurses that have been in

554
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,640
there. I am nurses that are
in there that have been nurses twenty thirty,

555
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,920
forty years, and that a message
me and say thank you for taking

556
00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:01,279
care of us. And I was
just like, I truly love doing everything

557
00:34:01,359 --> 00:34:05,720
in collects because number one, it
was my struggle. But then number two,

558
00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:10,239
it's just a little better to teach
us than us exactly exactly, And

559
00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:15,239
any nurse that is a good nurse
is going to know that there's no point

560
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:21,199
at which you stop learning correct forever
learner as we are. Yeah, even

561
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:23,000
if you stay in the same specialty
for thirty years, you're never going to

562
00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:28,760
master everything, master all this pathophysiology. You're gonna have a different person present

563
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,280
each time, and that person's going
to be unique specimen, so to speak.

564
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,480
So so yeah, perish the thought
that you've ever reached a point where

565
00:34:35,519 --> 00:34:38,760
you needn't learn it anymore. Right, So, how did all this translate

566
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:45,960
into your book? Oh that's right, Oh that's right. I wrote a

567
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:49,440
book. I almost forgot I did. And it was funny because when I

568
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,400
posted a years like that's awesome,
and I was like surprise, Oh I

569
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:53,840
know, I was like, wait, where the hell did that come from?

570
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:59,800
A lot of times I feel that
I have imposter syndrome, but then

571
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:06,360
I realize that I have been on
this journey of becoming a nurse nurse preneurship.

572
00:35:06,559 --> 00:35:08,440
Not a year, it's all it's
been. It's literally from the day

573
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,960
that I opened my mouth, and
I was in twenty twelve when I said

574
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,000
that I wanted to be a nurse. Everything that's encapsulated from that day all

575
00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:21,280
the way until today where I'm talking
to you, is encapsulated of what this

576
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,599
book is essentially going to mean.
So I wrote a book and it's called

577
00:35:25,679 --> 00:35:31,320
concer It the Journey to Passing the
End clicks and it's not just going to

578
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,760
be just a regular run of the
mill book that you can buy at Barnes

579
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,400
and Noble, Walmart, Target,
or wherever you buy your book from,

580
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,280
because that's where they're going to be. But it's not, Hey, it's

581
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:45,960
all about test strategies and stuff.
It's about the true journey of studying for

582
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:51,840
this end clicks and why I failed, not once, not twice, three

583
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:57,400
times, what I did to conquer
all of the things that were going on

584
00:35:57,559 --> 00:36:00,679
in my life, to include the
chance of being transferred to a ship that

585
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:06,159
was going to a that was going
to deploy, my relationship that was very

586
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,320
much on the rocks and very much
affects everything that I had going on,

587
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:14,920
me transferring to a new duty station
and all that stuff. Like the military

588
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:15,800
loves the fact that you go to
school, but they don't give a shit

589
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,360
about what you have going on if
the mission does not entail of what the

590
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,800
mission has going on. So I
had to think about that. And then

591
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,000
it's about the fact that it's just
me not knowing what I didn't know and

592
00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:30,760
applying that to my success. And
one of the things that will also be

593
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:37,760
in the book was we'll talk about
the having a mentor like a mentor of

594
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,400
some sort. Everybody that's listening to
this, I don't care what you're trying

595
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,760
to be in life. I don't
care if you're trying to be a CRNA.

596
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,960
I don't care if you want to
you want to be a nurse practitioner.

597
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,119
I don't care if you want to
be have a doctorate and underwater basket

598
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:52,800
weaving. I don't care what it
is. Find that individual that you would

599
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:59,719
love to emulate and be in the
position and follow them and ask them for

600
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,360
guy, And that's what happened.
I opened up. Not only did I

601
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,760
open up my mouth, the clouds
opened up and was just like, there's

602
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,840
this person for you. And that
happened. And the moment that happened is

603
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,679
where I started to see where I
was faltering. And you have to be

604
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,440
able to be coachable and you have
to be able to accept that I call

605
00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:19,679
that. I finally got off of
my beach and a lot of people were

606
00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:21,599
just like, what does that mean, Kevin. Let me tell you,

607
00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:23,599
Adrian, I'm going to tell you
right now. I'm a military guy.

608
00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:28,400
Especially I was in the Navy.
I keep saying I was in the Navy.

609
00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:30,559
I was in the Navy. But
I was in the Navy, and

610
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,800
Navy was pretty much what I lived
by. And if you don't know the

611
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,639
story of the Invasion of Normandy in
nineteen forty four, when the Allied forces

612
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:43,360
invaded France to stop Hitler from doing
Hitler things, the beaches of Omaha and

613
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,119
Utah Beach where the bloodiest of essentially
that assault, and a lot of people

614
00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:50,480
died on the beach, and there
was a good saying that happened was there

615
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,519
are two people on the beach,
those that are dead and those that are

616
00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:58,119
going to die. So I use
that, and I use that narrative to

617
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,000
tell you that if you are have
somebody who are if you're someone who is

618
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:06,719
not successful at that exam or just
anything in life that you're trying to accomplish,

619
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,679
there's either one or two things you're
gonna do. You're gonna stay on

620
00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:13,760
the beach, or you're gonna run
through the gunfire and you're gonna be scared,

621
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,800
and you're going to accomplish your mission. So you have a better chance

622
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,840
of living by running through the gunfire, running through all the hell, being

623
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,920
scared, doing it with the chance
of succeeding, rather than knowing that You're

624
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,440
not going to succeed by staying on
your beach, So what do you want

625
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,519
to do? You're going to stay
on the beach and not progress or are

626
00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:34,960
you gonna be scared and go that
way? Force progression? You tell me,

627
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,360
and most people are just like,
I want to get off my beach,

628
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:42,519
then fucking get off your beach and
let's go. Stop, let's go,

629
00:38:42,559 --> 00:38:45,559
and let's get to work. And
that is the premise of this of

630
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:50,159
this book. So it's supposed to
be inspirational and motivating and of course with

631
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,079
tips of the things that I did
wrong and how to do them right,

632
00:38:54,280 --> 00:39:00,679
time management support system understanding and CLEX
style questions, understanding the content, how

633
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,480
to apply it, what the test
is asking you, understanding the GAMECLEX test

634
00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:07,000
plan, and then recreating the testing
center along with other things that are going

635
00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:12,719
to be in there. So that
is how all of that translated into this

636
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,840
book. I'm still caught up in
the metaphor, I'm still like that hit

637
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,000
me in the fields, Kevin.
If I'm not being facetious, yea.

638
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,639
If you've never seen and if you've
never seen Saving Private Ryan, I have,

639
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:30,599
Yeah, I have opened the opening
scene of Saving Private Ryan the first

640
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:35,280
forty when they open up. So
I've only watched that movie one time.

641
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,519
I can't watch it more. Les
Once is enough. And you know,

642
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,960
for somebody who's been to war,
but not in that aspect, not in

643
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,639
that aspect, but somebody who has
been to war, I can understand the

644
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,360
fear that those men went through.
And I know this is probably they're just

645
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,360
like, Yo, that's ridiculous for
you to say and put in that analogy.

646
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,960
I was just like, but is
it the Because that's what I understand,

647
00:39:55,559 --> 00:40:01,840
and for what I want all the
listeners to understand is that you put

648
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:06,960
yourself in those men's shoes, but
you put it to whatever issues that you

649
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,400
have going on. It's the same
exact concept. Those men were scared out

650
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,519
of their mind. And the only
thing I heard somebody say, we got

651
00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:17,079
to get off this beach. And
they got off the beach and they were

652
00:40:17,199 --> 00:40:21,480
victorious. So do you want to
get off your beach and be victorious or

653
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:27,679
do you want to stay watching everyone
watching everyone else live? So you tell

654
00:40:27,679 --> 00:40:29,760
me. But like I said,
if you everybody, if anybody wants to

655
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,960
get the real true analogy, watch
the opening scene of Saving Private Ryan.

656
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,960
You'll probably only watch it once.
It'll probably make you cry like a baby

657
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,400
like it made me, and you'll
see exactly what I'm talking about. It'll

658
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,599
hit you. It'll hit you more
in the fields if you go and watch

659
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:45,639
it. So get off your beach. Get off your beach. It's in

660
00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:49,679
a less powerful way. I've said
to people, time is going to pass

661
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:54,079
anyway. Wouldn't you rather pass it
doing something that you love or that's going

662
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:58,519
to pay off. You can sit
on your ass. That's time is going

663
00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:04,920
to go. And that's what I
said. I've worked more doing this program

664
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,559
and coaching and tutoring and doing these
live sessions, especially on the back end.

665
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:15,000
I've worked more in the last year
hardcore than I have in my entire

666
00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:21,840
adult life. Honestly, I believe
it, because that's what stops me from

667
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:27,159
doing educational content is the citation,
getting it right, making sure. I'm

668
00:41:27,159 --> 00:41:31,280
always like, man, what if
I cite information wrong? That? But

669
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:35,840
you're off the beach and I'm still
on the beach and off of it,

670
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,400
like I'm literally essentially, I like
I'm in the middle of the beach.

671
00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:42,559
I'm and I'm out in the open, and those comments are coming in.

672
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:45,360
That's wrong, that's wrong, that's
wrong. Thank you for telling me that.

673
00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:46,920
So now I can go back and
I can clarify, and then I'll

674
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,920
look in the book or I'll be
like, Okay, I see where I

675
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,599
misworded that. Let me go and
let me fix that word, you know,

676
00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:57,000
because everything is trial and error.
Yeah. Absolutely. Do you go

677
00:41:57,079 --> 00:41:58,800
like and I try to tell people, Hey, do you go to Nurse

678
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,199
Mike and do you open up your
mouth and say that to him? Or

679
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:04,119
Hey, do you go to Inclex
High Yield and say that to doctor z?

680
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,039
Or hey do you go to Mark
Klemick, do you go to Remar,

681
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:08,920
do you go to do you go
to Kaplan and you tell them that

682
00:42:09,199 --> 00:42:12,559
an hours? Or are you rude
to them like that? You know what

683
00:42:12,559 --> 00:42:15,519
I'm saying, Hey, don't do
that. Yes exactly. But then again,

684
00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:17,760
like I said, I'm in the
middle of my beach, and until

685
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:22,039
I conquer this beach, just like
I conquer my exam, I'm still going

686
00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:24,400
to be put. I'm still going
to be getting the comments and I'm still

687
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,880
going to be getting the bullets raining
at me until I conquer it. I'm

688
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,239
glad you know that you don't have
to just I'm one of those people that's

689
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:37,400
still learning not to be like,
oh okay, okay, sorry, I'm

690
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,360
still very much learning not to be
that person. That's all. Am I

691
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:45,639
wrong when I'm not? Sometimes I'll
be I could be absolutely correct, and

692
00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:50,599
I'm like, oh you question yourself. Yeah yeah, even when maybe I

693
00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:53,599
shouldn't. But that's a skill that
we just need to keep developing. And

694
00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:58,280
again, lifelong student, never done, never absolutely and it comes with time.

695
00:42:58,519 --> 00:43:01,000
Yeah, comes with when I when
I very first started doing this,

696
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:06,000
I had people that there were just
like you're a fraud, You're a scam.

697
00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:08,199
And I was just like huh,
and I was like how I was

698
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,320
like, am? I was like, I go live from times a week

699
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,480
and people see me. Most people
that are scams you don't see them.

700
00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:17,320
But whatever. Sure, yeah,
yeah, you're like I'm actually putting the

701
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:22,440
work in. Yes, And the
book is like I'm pre sale now or

702
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:27,840
pre sale so you can actually pre
order the Kendle version right now on Amazon

703
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,760
and for all my digital friends.
Yeah, for all my digital friends.

704
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:36,199
So you can actually pre order it
right now on Kindle through Amazon, but

705
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,599
through my website, the bootners dot
com slash Books, and you will see

706
00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:44,679
my glorious face there and the cover
and my scrubs with my with my head

707
00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:45,639
cover. I think I have my
fanny pack on. By the way,

708
00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:49,159
if you don't have a fanny pack, get one. Don't care what nobody

709
00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:52,119
says. Real men and women wear
fanny packs. Let me tell you.

710
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:54,679
Let me just take a minute to
tell you about my fanny peck journey.

711
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:59,239
So I had one for work,
and honestly, I peel a lot,

712
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,639
I drink a lot of water.
I do work a job where I am

713
00:44:01,679 --> 00:44:06,440
able to pee most of the time, so I'm blessed. But I was

714
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:12,360
having a hard time dealing with the
taking it because I how do I even

715
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,719
qualify the let's just say, let's
just say, I'm not one that can

716
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,880
just like drop troal with the fanny
pack hanging there, like I can't do

717
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,679
that. And I was having so
much complication with doing the whole draw string

718
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:30,320
and the fanny peck and the couldn't
do it. So I wear I clip

719
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,800
a series of things to my shirt
collar. People are actually make fun of

720
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,280
me. I should make a video
someday about all the crap that I clip

721
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,599
to my shirt collar I have I
do. People are so I have certain

722
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:43,679
people at work that'll be like you
got any new gadgets on your shirt today?

723
00:44:44,039 --> 00:44:45,280
People are like, how does your
shirt stay up? And I'm like,

724
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,400
I got secrets. I have secrets
how I keep this all on place

725
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,480
side. But yeah, so instead
of having it around the waist, I

726
00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:57,280
have everything up top. But I
don't know, it's just how I've always

727
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,719
done it. Whatever works. Yeah, I wish I could do a fanny

728
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,119
pack. I would love to be
able to do a fanny pack. But

729
00:45:02,119 --> 00:45:06,760
I'm one of those people that I
have sixty eight pockets and every pocket has

730
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,440
a designated set of things in it
so that I always reach for the right

731
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,320
pocket to get the right thing.
Nice. Like I said, hey,

732
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,559
for whatever worked for you. I
just I felt the need to defend myself

733
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:20,480
on the fanny pack thing. I
was like, I tried it. I

734
00:45:20,519 --> 00:45:22,559
swear I tried it. Once you
figure out, once you figure out the

735
00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:25,639
system that works for you A and
as long as it's cool and it doesn't

736
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:29,800
it's not hurt. Nobody hurting.
Hey, look do you Yeah, they

737
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,800
did the thing on my unit last
year. The year I can't remember,

738
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,599
but it like they it was when
high school. They do like best dressed

739
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,199
most likely to be president most likely
to like, I won the Mary Poppins

740
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:45,400
Award, the nurse with the most
shit in the bottom of our endless pockets.

741
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:47,079
Yeah, and it's so funny because
people all the time will come up

742
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:51,440
to me and be like, I
know, you gotta fill in the blank

743
00:45:51,519 --> 00:45:53,000
here. And if it's not in
my pocket, it's in my bag.

744
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,480
People will be like, you got
a coppahma stacks, you got some cobain,

745
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,480
you got a paper clip, you
gotta screw, you got an eyeglass

746
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:05,119
crew driver, you got some ibuprofen, you got some cedrons for me,

747
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,039
You've got it. You got some
extra nail files, and I got it.

748
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:12,840
I got it the endless Harry Poppins
bag. So yeah, that'll be

749
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,559
in in my other life, it
was Mary Poppins. Nice. So yeah.

750
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:21,960
So people can get your book,
they can join you for your sessions.

751
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,239
You said Monday Wednesday Friday. Yeah, it's Monday Wednesday Friday at five

752
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:29,679
thirty on on TikTok. And that's
where I just go through. I just

753
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,440
go through questions for about an hour
and then I do a Q and A

754
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,840
after that, and I try to
answer as many questions as I can and

755
00:46:37,519 --> 00:46:39,400
let people know that if you need
an Inclex course, I have a course

756
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:45,159
that's available that's on demand that has
two different Inclex reviews in there, one

757
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:49,480
based off of the client needs like
management of care, pharmacology, swan and

758
00:46:49,559 --> 00:46:52,599
so forth, and then I do
a new generation one. So I have

759
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,000
sixty plus videos in there right now. So I let them know that they

760
00:46:55,039 --> 00:46:58,280
can go and get those reach torone, Like, I have a bunch of

761
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,519
stuff that whatever you want, come
hang out out and people can find you

762
00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:05,480
every where. You're on TikTok,
you're on Instagram, you're on YouTube,

763
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,599
you get your website. Yeah,
so you're a man of many hats.

764
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:14,280
You're also in your free time.
You're like, you don't have enough to

765
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,360
do already. You are a man
of many hats. And I tip my

766
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:21,239
hat to you. I just heard
my geriatric neighbor. He plays drums in

767
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,280
the basement. He just started playing
the drums. God bless him. I

768
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,239
think that's our cute to wrap ups. Oh my god, I think I

769
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:32,719
can hear it. Can you?
Oh he just stopped? Oh yeah,

770
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,039
I heard something. Yeah. So
we have a couple that live blow us.

771
00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:40,360
We live in a two flat,
just like on the edge of Chicago,

772
00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:44,960
and yeah, he plays the drums
in the basement. Sometimes he's and

773
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:50,880
he hits the whole catalog. Sometimes
he's playing to Lynyrd Skynyrd. Sometimes it's

774
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,760
TLC. He played Waterfalls for a
good few weeks. He's done. He

775
00:47:54,840 --> 00:48:00,679
does rock, he does hip hop, he does old standards. He hits

776
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:05,000
the hippie circuit hard. So he
just I'll have to figure out what tonight's

777
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:14,800
hold on. He started again with
yeah, all right, on that note,

778
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:19,440
thank you for joining me. Yeah, absolutely, I said, like

779
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,920
I said, I appreciate you.
I appreciate you for always inviting me to

780
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:28,480
the podcast and it's always fun.
I'm actually surprised you don't hear my son

781
00:48:28,519 --> 00:48:30,079
screaming. He was screaming at my
door earlier. I'm glad that you didn't

782
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:34,320
hear him, because he would walk
in here with no shirt on and be

783
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,760
what's going on here? He could
be the youngest guest I'm nursing uncensored.

784
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:42,239
I was gonna say, you're one
of the elite members of the Return Guest

785
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,760
Club. There's only there's a few, but there's not a ton and so

786
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,840
I was thinking, like, if
people have come on, it's like the

787
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,360
SNL club where if you host five
times you get like a jacket or whatever,

788
00:48:52,519 --> 00:48:55,519
so you have something else to aspire
to, as if you already haven't

789
00:48:55,519 --> 00:49:00,599
accomplished enough in life, you need
to get your five times guest jacket for

790
00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:04,800
the nursery. Look, I'm Outlook, I'm always humbled to be invited to

791
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,000
anything. I don't need a jacket. It's just to the fact that you're

792
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,400
still you're still creating your tribe and
around people that are just great for you

793
00:49:10,519 --> 00:49:13,599
for growth. Like I said,
I appreciate it and I love it,

794
00:49:13,639 --> 00:49:16,679
and it's always been it's always a
fun time when I'm here. And this

795
00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:21,199
the last thing I'll say. This
has been a special recording. I've been

796
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,480
actually riding high. I've been on
hiatus a long time, you know,

797
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:29,320
just started recording releasing again. But
as of the time of this recording,

798
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:30,880
I don't know how many days it'll
take me to get this out. God

799
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:35,800
help me. But at the time
of this recording, like yesterday or the

800
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:40,119
day before, I hit one million
downloads. Yes, yes, hey everybody

801
00:49:40,199 --> 00:49:45,599
right now. It took a little
longer than I anticipated, but we got

802
00:49:45,639 --> 00:49:49,639
there. It's not a race,
and I just wanted to take lations.

803
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,400
Thank you. I wanted to take
this opportunity to say out loud and to

804
00:49:53,039 --> 00:49:57,639
the listenership, to my audience,
there are some people that I have been

805
00:49:57,679 --> 00:50:00,760
listening from the beginning. I see
them. I see I'm looking at my

806
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:05,440
Instagram stories. I see the numbers. I see the people that are like

807
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,400
coming back and commenting over and over
again. I appreciate you. I love

808
00:50:09,639 --> 00:50:15,840
my og listeners, my new listeners, welcome. I'm so glad you're here.

809
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,400
My coworkers and my current job are
starting to catch on that I have

810
00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:23,440
podcasts. So if any of my
current crew are listening, hey guys.

811
00:50:24,039 --> 00:50:27,400
But yeah, it's been a while
ride. This is season ten. So

812
00:50:27,519 --> 00:50:31,159
Kevin, thank you for being part
of the tenth season of Nursing Uncensored.

813
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,239
This is a monumental season for me. Like it. Like I said,

814
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seven years, a million downloads is
nothing for people to realize, that's nothing

815
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:43,880
too, that's nothing to downplay,
or as my dad would say, that's

816
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,719
nothing to shake a stick out.
Yeah, yeah, that's nothing to shake

817
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,559
a stick at or downplay because you
still had to put the work in order

818
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,880
for that to happen. So congratulations
to you on your one million dollards.

819
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:59,000
That's hum Thank you so much.
What's the next route for you to have

820
00:50:59,039 --> 00:51:00,840
a million books sales? That would
be a mean Oh hey, I'm just

821
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:07,199
saying, ten thousand free low prebow
or pre orders can get me on the

822
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:12,719
New York Times bestsellers list. Okay, so this is the push. Let's

823
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,320
get the Kindle editions, let's get
it going matter. It doesn't matter if

824
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:19,800
it's kindle or if it's paperback,
all like, the book will be real.

825
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,199
Okay, yeah, the book will
be to get your book on June

826
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:27,559
fifth, and June fifth is significant
because that marks my anniversary of becoming a

827
00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:30,559
nurse. Oh, it only makes
sense for me to release it on that

828
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day after it took me three unsuccessful
attempts and then finally passing in on June

829
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,960
bit of twenty twenty, so four
year anniversary. Hey there's a book for

830
00:51:40,039 --> 00:51:45,000
you, Kevin. You're a sentimental
motherfucker. Hey, hey, you've got

831
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:49,480
to have some type of meaning around
here, and that's mine. That's mine

832
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,199
for y'all. Thank you for coming
back. We're going to do it again

833
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,239
sometime. Okay, yes, ma'am, I appreciate you. All right,

834
00:51:54,239 --> 00:52:08,960
ex what all right? All right? The Nursing Uncensored podcast, like nursing

835
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:15,320
itself, can be intense at times. We don't censor, but we do

836
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:22,719
protect private health information has been changed
and concealed. We're not talking about you,

837
00:52:23,519 --> 00:52:30,039
Mema, your boss and wife,
or anyone you might know. We're

838
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:37,960
real health professionals trying to give you
factual information. However, you are responsible

839
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:43,360
for doing your own research and not
taking anything we say as professional or medical

840
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:50,639
advice. Opinions belong only to the
person expressing them and do not reflect our

841
00:52:50,679 --> 00:52:59,639
employers, educational or professional institutions.
I hope you learned something from laughed a

842
00:52:59,639 --> 00:53:01,760
little. I bet you'll come back
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