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Adventist Radio London. Inspiration for the
song We welcome the Talking Point with Ray

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Sen you Angeler discussing the hot topics
and answering your questions. Saturday's five to

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seven pm on Adventist Radio London.
It's talking Point, it's talking Point,

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it's talking Point, it's talking Point
conversations. You need to have good evening,

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good evening, good evening, and
welcome to Talking Point. It's the

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twenty third of December. I hope
you all had a really good Sabbath today

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wherever you are tuning in from,
so it may be still in your sabbath

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if you're here in the UK and
London, sabbath is not long gone,

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has finished and we are here at
talking Point, so welcome. There's quite

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a few of us in the studio
today. Today is a special day,

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very special day, and we all
shall share why in a second. But

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we are in studio. You may
hear some familiar voices. If you just

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heard our jingle, you will know
who our presenters are, well, most

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of our presenters. I mean,
yeah, we'll come back to that,

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but thank you for joining us today. We're going to start with a word

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of prayer and then we will get
into our show. Today, we are

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doing another look back over the year. Twenty twenty three seems to have flown

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past, but we are blessed to
be here, able to be able to

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reflect and look back and then think
about what we're going to be doing going

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forward for twenty twenty four. So
let's start with the word of prayer and

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then we'll get into our show.
Fathergadawah, thank you for blessing us with

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another Saba day. Dear Lord,
I thank you for enabling us to celebrate

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and reflect on your life. I
know where I was at church today they

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were having comedian. I thank you
for the sacrifars you've made for us.

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And as we are looking back over
twenty twenty three, I pray, Dear

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Lord that it has been a good
time for some people. May not have

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been for many, but we're able
to be at this point where we can

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reflect and share. I pray,
Dear Lord, that you bless what's going

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out today, Bless those who are
listening and preper Pray Dear Lord, that

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you can take us to the end
of this year into the new year twen

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twenty four. This is my prayer. Amen, So I am in the

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we all say the hot seat,
but actually I'm not in my own in

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studio today because my trusted co host, one of them is here today,

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Senya G how's it going very well? Busy? Yeah, that's gracious.

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I can't even what time is it. I know. I think if we

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had our key words for the year, it would be busy, busy and

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busy. But just grateful too,
as you said in your prayer, to

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be you know, alive at such
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it almost through twenty twenty three.
And I just want to say thank you

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to our listeners who have joined us, who have I think we are in

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stari. I think we are for
those who have stuck with us throughout the

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indeed, indeed and with us also. It's a shame one of our presenters

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is not here, Pedro. We
know you had engaged other engagements today,

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so we are but hopefully you are
listening in if you can. But we

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have a couple of very special guests
with us. We could almost say this

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is a reunion. So if you
hear that jingle, you will hear four

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voices on there, myself, Angela, Zena, Pedro, the deep voice

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at the end. But there's another
one who I'm sure you all know very

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well. Say hello, hello,
mister Patrick, is it really you?

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Pastor Ray Patrick has joined us today
by chance I hastened to work it is,

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but you know, indeed he has
and we are we are ever grateful

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for that. So we do have
our former co host in Talking Point,

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the original I know, well if
it feels like that, I mean,

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you know, for those people who've
been listening for as long as you know,

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you will know that Pastor Ray Patrick, you know, was founding member

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of Talking Point, yes, found
and presenters. So we're really glad that

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he's been able to come on for
a little short while. I know he

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has a lot of engagements. He's
a busy man, but we're grateful and

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also joining us today, and so
you know, you probably know her very

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well because you would have heard her
voice most mornings, despite wherever she is

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in the country. We have got
in the world. Yes, it's true,

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we have got Josephine with us today
as well. Say hello, jose

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We're really glad to have you joining
us todays well already not even ten minutes,

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in like two minutes, but it's
you know, the familiar, the

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familiar ban type something. Yes,
so we were going for Josephine to come

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and join us today. Josephine has
been a great help to us on talking

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point. Maybe for me with my
technical with the tech stuff. I do

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believe I know what I'm doing most
of the time, but there are occasions

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better. Yes, it's true.
But we're glad and I know she's been

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on her travels. But you may
be familiar for you're for your new to

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advantage to Radio London, you should
check out the breakfast show that both Ray

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and Josephine along with Paul Lee host, but they also do a few other

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shows as well. Ray's got a
couple of Sundays, Josephine has one on

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a Wednesday. You do Friday as
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does a whole So yes, it's
been a full house today. I've even

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got my mum here with us today. She's sitting at the other studios joining

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us as well. So thank you
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to be having a look at just
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we've, like I said, it
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past. And I think after the
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and then the kind of reopening time
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one could imagine. And sadly with
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so many low points for many people, but hopefully there's been some good points

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as well. And I know over
the year we've had some really interesting conversations,

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we've had some great guests on and
we've had some really interesting head some

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interesting stories. So I was going
to have a little look on that,

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but I guess what we can start
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very long with us, so we're
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as a general one, how has
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me, it's been a great year. Yeah, Yeah, a lot more

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ups and downs. God took Ministry
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to countries that I've never been to. My prayer this year was to infiltrate

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Europe. I'm not sure how God
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good news is is that we're able
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to Harland and Ministry as well as
other places in France. One of the

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biggest meetings I've done this year was
in Paris, and we spoke a little

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bit about that actually, because I
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me. I mean when we interviewed
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and you know, the sort of
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know, the outcomes of the baptisms
and everything. At the end, I

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was really struck by the fact that
we could be in another country and we

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don't we all speak different languages.
You had an amazing translated his name.

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I really can't hide that. Yeah, fantastic, But you were able to

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reach people in a way that many
many of them had never sort of heard

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or seen before, you know.
And I spoke to one of the young

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ladies that got baptized. She was
just like, you know, I've been

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kind of thinking about my decision and
then everything you were saying it all clicks

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for her, and she was like, yep, I'm making that decision and

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making that choice. So it was
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as a great we joined you.
Yeah, take us along with us,

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and yeah, we mustn't forget that
because we did go as a collective.

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Because I went in the week and
you guys came on the weekend. But

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I felt that one of the things
that we don't do enough of on Adventist

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Radio London is that kind of live
evangelism where we go to a particular area

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of a particular country or whatever and
we broadcast event. Yeah, you know,

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and I think that that's something that
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use. I think it or so
exposes other countries to our listeners. Yes,

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you know, because we're sitting in
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you know the reality is is Adventice
all around the world and listeners. Yeah,

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yeah, so it was definitely for
me. One of the highlights was

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Paris. Was that in February April? Yeah, Pastor Carrien, Yes,

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yes, that's right, yeah,
carrying yeah, yeah, yeah, tremendous

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time we had in Paris. Taro
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as Josephine and it was a good
trip. Yeah, it was a very

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good trip. And then you know, Darlington at the beginning of the year,

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I went up to Darlington and didn't
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way up there, heading towards Newcastle, freezing cold, County Durham and they

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hadn't had a baptism on more than
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and we ended up with almost twenty
baptisms. We had to i mean,

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rearrange the church to get the pool
in, but it was an amazing

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time spent in Darlington. And then
for me, I went to Tunisia and

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that was more of a holiday as
supposedly, but just interacting with people and

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to know that there is an Adventist
church there, okay, and and they

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do minister in both Arabic and English
was good news. And then of course

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my celebrating my sixtieth birthday, we
were as well, and my son and

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my daughter and I went to Portugal
and uh, and then of course I

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had the first surprise birthday of my
sixtieth years life. And so thank you

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guys and Josephine and everyone else that
was involved for pulling it together. So

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that was a highlight. I don't
think I'll ever forget that one for the

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rest of my life. We actually
surprised. And then you know, leaving

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there, I was going to Poland. Yeah it was Poland. I was

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going to Poland, and I wasn't
sure to expect one because a lot of

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times you hear a lot of racist
ideas coming out of Poland. And then

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secondly it was a camp meeting for
youth and I wasn't sure, you know,

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what to expect, but we prayed, went there and and the Lord

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just totally I mean my first appeal
was about fifty baptism or so, and

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then you know, they baptized bill
baptizing people. I mean, it was

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just an amazing see whole on the
shore of the lake, the baptized in

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the lake and off the shore of
the lake was just baptism or candidates dressed

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in white, kneeling down getting ready
to go into the pool. Absolutely amazing,

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Definitely one of the highlights of life
in ministry. And yeah, it

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was good. It was a very
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be in Europe because those things don't
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then of course I got to thank
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went to Serbia for the TD conference, left there and then I got a

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call from Kirk Thomas at the beginning
of September. He's just been voted president,

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right, and so he had to
try and move some of his schedule

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around. One of those with an
evangelistic meeting in Holland, oh right,

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And so he asked me if I
would go on his behalf of the at

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the time, he was the BUC
person, And so I went and I

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didn't know what to expect. Again, last minute, jumped on a plane,

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got there and began the revival.
And I'm telling you, man,

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what a week we had in Rotterdam
Central Seven day Adventist Church. And I

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think it totally baptized about ten or
so people. But it wasn't so much

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that it was just a revise.
You know, the church was in a

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situation where they needed a revival and
God knew exactly what they needed. So

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that was an amazing I mean,
just extraordinary. And in Zimbabwe, which

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is about a week ago, that
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me for this year. You know. All in between that, of course,

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we've being baptizing here. I think
the Lord was blessing with about one

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hundred and seven souls in total.
But this next one in Zim, you

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know, I thought, God,
you know, God, he kind of

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out does himself. You know,
you think you're at the pinnacle and then

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God takes you. Yeah. And
in Zim, you know, we went

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there for a campus wide revival at
Seluci University and the week of Spiritual Emphasis,

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and so I will be making it
appeal to people to give the heart

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to Jesus. But on the final
Sabbath, we had about five people or

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so to baptize, and we were
just so excited. However, God,

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what God did with the five was
after we baptized the five, we appealed

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again, and the appeal now was
for those who a out there would like

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to be baptized right now, Okay, come into the pool, and man,

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five more came. Wow. Then
we appealed again, and five more

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came. Then we appealed again,
and people just started coming into the pool

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and baptizing there and there and there. And I had to get a plane

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three point fifteen that evening from Billaway
or Airport, so I couldn't stay.

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I just made the appeal. I
didn't know the pass was baptizing, so

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I got in the car they drove
me to the place, barely got on

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the plane. Actually, God delayed
the flight, otherwise I wouldn't have probably

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made it. They said the flight
was delayed by thirty minutes, which gave

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me a ladier. Yeah, but
the reality is is that the folk were

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baptized. I don't even know the
exact count finished, but that's not important.

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What's important is that God continue to
do what he'd been doing. So

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for me it was a great year. Mummy's doing good, you know,

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which is the other side of my
life. Good evening Mummy. I know

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she listens in on a Saturday even
so Mummy is doing good. And yeah,

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it's just been a good year.
I mean, you know, if

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I focus on the negatives, I'll
be doing God and this. So yeah,

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yeah, yeah, that's really exciting. I mean, you know,

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when I sort of pick up on
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radio to other places, were happy
to accompany, you know in earlier turned

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me down. I guess we did
a bit of notice and if anybody would

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like to sponsor us, you know, because you know the costs and stuff,

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but you know, we can work
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think I think there is merit in
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you have comes, but it gives
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life is like in the UK.
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to strangers say the same thing as
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respond easier. So when we go
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a perception I might have of certain
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blessing myself. Yeah, for what
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in Paris, that side of Paris
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of Paris outside there was different to
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again it was a different church in
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always I mean that's a parent So
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that that whole Paris experience in in
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real, real, big time and
to your credit, passed away when we

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did interviews with the young people.
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it. You know, everyone heard
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you speak before, and you know
you had touched, you'd reached, you

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had an ability to reach the young
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past I can. And they spoke
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the reason why they came, and
some of them came from very far and

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and and again you know that's God, you know, and it's accedently part

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of His this medium. Today we're
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so they can't they came to the
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feel that as much as you know, it's God has given me the ability

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to speak. But I think it's
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then people warm to that and then
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if they can't come, they'll send
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and with that in mind, you
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I'll start with email studio at Adventist
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again we have the tech genius over
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preaching and spreading the message, and
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well, this is a really good
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to be sharing the gospel, sharing
the reason why many of us do what

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we do. So we're gonna play
Joe to the world by the spirituals and

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yes, spread that message. Perceive
joy, and Heaven and Nature say,

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and Heaven and nature say chess Joy. We see John, We see John,

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the name us. It's not chaste
the sounding joy. This this sort Joorn.

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We said John. We say job
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said jo John. We said we
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said, job John, John shows, I said to song that's made us

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know that and stop. But it's
a sign is another sun after said his

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song as a russle, I never
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to receive jojo sa sa j't be
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the world. The Lord is calme. Let earth receive her kin, every

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heart prepare him room and heaven and
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Yes, indeed sing joy to the
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the spirituals. So zen up to
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Oh, it's glad to have good
to have you back faster away John

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us more often, no problem,
no problem, whenever, whenever your call.

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well by Facebook on social exactly exactly
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go, we wanted to kind of
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very long time. In fact,
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started many years ago. May tell
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I'm not sure I know I remember
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was actually a program that in the
very early days that some individuals that were

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working here used to do on a
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for something to fill in the space. And then Mike Johnson asked me to

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be a part of that, that
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and as we did start discussed topics
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joined by Pastor Rys and Smith during
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uh, and then it was when
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that, of course Mike Johnson moved
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how are we going to fill this
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reached out to you guys. And
before then Andrew would come in whenever I

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needed on zoom or something to be
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I asked Zenya and uh, and
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first, I would say, the
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discussions, and then we covered a
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during COVID or just after COVID,
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covered a lot of topics on vaccinations, on health stuff, all of that

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kind of stuff. So we really
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time was high because people weren't going
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come in take our COVID test wherever
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do our thing. Yeah, so
that that's that's the evolution of of COVID,

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of COVID, but yeah, it's
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Pastor worst Smiths is to come in
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text that he wanted to go through
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then we also did some kind of
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trying to fill in some certain things. But then, yeah, and then

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and then of course then it really
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the world, and which was supposed
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a three week thing, and it
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had to do almost had to do
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not sure I was even I was
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dozing off a little to three times, but yeah, yeah, So so

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you know, those those were some
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and when she became an intricral part
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different things. So who's she now
married? Yeah, you know, she's

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unmarried. And Bailey Bailey, yeah, missus Bailey, and we prayed for

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her to be married. We didn't
know it was gonna be this quick,

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but we prayed for that and we
have anybody want. Yeah, but nevertheless,

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you know, but that's an evolution. And then of course this year,

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because I did start the Breakfast show, I felt it was a bit

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too much to try to do the
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so something I had to give,
and talking point was the thing that gave,

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and so we left it in the
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and Zenya and Pedro and Josephine.
Whenever she could be around and hence the

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reason we had this point. Yeah, yes, and yeah we want to

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praise God for another year. Talking
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know, we celebrated several years together, yes, ye, yeah, yeah,

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and yeah we're still here. Amen. So how have you guys found

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talking point as far as the year
has concerned? Well, I suppose we

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can, let's say talking point because
you're actual your personal lives, you make

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something different. Has the year gone
for you? Guys? It's been good?

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this something I want to say something
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but sometimes you forget how much of
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and put these shows together. Yeah, you know one thing that was great

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with you Ray, You obviously being
a pastor, you and you know lots

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of people, you've traveled, you
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know so many people. It's maybe
more difficult to get people, guess,

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et cetera. However, you still
can kind of utilize connections. And we've

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just been reaching out to people and
you know, people have approached us about

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things as well and been really willing. Sometimes we speak to people people are

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really often very nervous to come on
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You know. I always kind of
say that our show is a very conversational.

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It's very quite laid back, and
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That's how I kind of bill it, promote it as it were.

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But you know, you realize,
actually, yeah, the Textell can take

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a lot, but it's been really
good and I think we've met some really

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interesting people. Utilize the connections.
I mean, I have a few connections

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made, but sometimes even I forget
I know some people I think, oh

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yeah. But also I think recognizing
that we have so much talent, skill,

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all things within our church community,
you know, And something Talking Point

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does bring out is who is here, Yeah, the people that we have

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the expertise, that we have some
of the wisdom, you know, in

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different areas. And I think that
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Talking Point was that, you know, the plethora is a lot of people

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that we have in our churches,
and if some how that was pulled together,

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we would have an awesome directory yes
skills. You know, maybe that's

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something anybody out there come forward together. I think we've discussed that before.

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just how much of an impact people
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you know, we've had many discussions
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church doing enough, et cetera,
et cetera on whatever topic or area,

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but actually you realize that people are
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areas and really impacting the community.
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for me has been one where we've
been able to see that hear about what's

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happening and recognizing where the influence and
the reach has been and you know,

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bringing people to Christ ultimately, you
know, and sometimes we don't necessarily know

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what's going to happen. But again, yeah, so that's that's been for

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me having this for week to weeks
sometimes be tracking down. I mean,

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I have a newfound respect since Party
stepped away for what he did because he

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did make it look easy. I'm
going to send the message here, I'm

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going to text there, I got
a call here. But it does take

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a lot of legs. But I
think, you know, I think Angie

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is right, and that is you
know, because I do travel and I

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am in different places. Every week. I'm in a different place, I

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meet people, and so you know, you tend when we discuss a program,

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I'm oh, yeah, I can
tap into that person. So it

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makes it a lot easier. But
if you know, you guys are probably

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in the same church in the same
area week to week, and you probably

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don't meet as many people. So
so from that standpoint, even though it

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wasn't always easy, it was easier. Yeah, And I think I think,

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I think that's the key thing.
But you know, God has a

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way of doing it. And I
think that the transition was so swift for

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me because the breakfast shows started and
it was like a whirlwind. So I

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think from that standpoint, you know, what you guys have done to keep

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it going is admirable, especially since, like I say, you know,

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I was here one day, gone
the next, and it was a whole

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whole different things you left us.
You know, Can I say what I

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can I say what I want to
say? Please do please do please do?

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leave me this way, okay,
So yeah, yeah, that was no

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problem. Man. Listen, guys, I gotta run and I hit the

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brak next for you? What next? Same again, We'll be in Paris

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twice third week of February and the
first week of May be in Parish twice,

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back in Zimbabwe as well as you
know many London and UK dates as

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well. So it's the year.
I mean, the diaries are looking real

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strange because normally you'll wait a few
weeks of generation normally acquirementth for revivals.

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But being Plumstead on the thirteenth,
where's pedro them the area? How does

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feel on the thirty on the last
weekend, I think the twenty seventh of

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January and then the international thing kicks
in as well as preparing students for GCS

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I mean marketing market exams for the
last few weeks. Yeah yeah, the

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one that you know plays the rent. But nevertheless, that's what the year

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looks like. But I think ultimately
for me, ministry is more about telling

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people the truth yea, the times
you're living in and so that's my goal

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this year is not just to revive
and evangelize, but to bring the real

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truth some of his hardcore, hard
hitting and I'm praying that God will give

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me an opportunity have a book coming
out and and it's it's it's a it's

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a small book on help someone sitting
to my left, help me design,

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And it's it's about increasing your faith, transforming your faith, is what it's

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dealing with. And just waiting for
the press to get its finger out,

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but just just waiting for the publication
day. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah

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yeah, and then and then we'll
get it out. But there's a book

411
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:39.719
coming out, hopefully more than one
throughout the year. But other than that,

412
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I'm young, gifted, and black. Well, thank you so much

413
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:49.679
for joining us. God bless you, and thank you for joining us.

414
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:53.719
No problem, no problem. And
you put the guilt trip on me,

415
00:35:54.079 --> 00:36:00.119
of course, such a thing,
I guess. Whenever her wedding is,

416
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:08.719
I'm coming, yes, but happy
Festive season and all the best of the

417
00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:14.840
new year, Happy new Yeah,
I'll be traveling on Boxing Day, but

418
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:16.440
yes, obviously. But you know, think about talking point on the road

419
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:22.039
as we did as well. So
any churches I would like to have us

420
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:27.440
today asked for it on the road
afternoon, okay, yeah cool. They

421
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:29.880
wanted to talk to me or Mark, I'm not sure I Mark came in

422
00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:35.400
the equation loud, certainly loud enough. Mark's listening, he would understand.

423
00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:38.440
But listen if you guys tomorrow morning, if you don't mind coming on,

424
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:42.840
we got the Christmas party. Amen, sorry, we got the question.

425
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:47.400
Josephine, thank you. Okay,
you know I'm not you know, Josephine,

426
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:52.199
thank you. Here this is not
the morning showment. It's been a

427
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:55.079
while. But anyway, in the
morning we have the we have we do

428
00:36:55.199 --> 00:37:00.519
don't We'll give you all the digits
before she leaves the studio today at nine

429
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:05.760
o'clock, but at nine we finished
at twelve hopefully Michael get out the studio

430
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:08.920
and we want to have a good
time as we have a Christmas party here

431
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:13.840
on Advantage Radio London. Guys,
thank you, thank you you and we

432
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:15.000
have that in mine. Thank you. Paster very travels safe. We're going

433
00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:17.559
to go for a bit of music
again. Go tell It on the Mountain.

434
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:21.599
As Ray said, you know,
it's about us sharing, spreading the

435
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:25.920
good news, spreading the truth.
And for this season, go to It

436
00:37:27.000 --> 00:38:01.119
in the Mountain by Fred Hammond,
the Share Talky jeez Us in Lonly Beth,

437
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:20.920
they saw man sor they saw the
land who buried on the mountains over

438
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:29.400
the in the heavy way, buried
on the mountain, Jesus Christ is born.

439
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:46.440
It's on the mountain heavyway, yeah, and saw shot and the storm

440
00:38:46.760 --> 00:39:02.480
was so they knew. They sing
the Savior the want of reason. Go

441
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:10.199
tell it on the mountain over the
heels and the enemy God, tell it

442
00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:31.719
on the mountain Jesus christing for yay, Jeezus Christ. The closet salborytion in

443
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:40.239
the heavens field, leaguers in the
worthy Angel singing telling no the same as

444
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:57.280
b Go tell it on the mountain
by kills and vywhere go tell it on

445
00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:09.119
the mountain. The Jesus dresses an
you better go here. You're hanging on

446
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:25.079
the Lord, say tell the mon
tell us the same joining me just course,

447
00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:46.880
good and peace some name peece go
tell I'll tell them one in low

448
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:59.000
shot. How could we have peace? On it to me to tell?

449
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:19.920
Can't tell them one and all in
the city and dinner Jesus crazy wa go

450
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:22.639
tell them one on all. Fred
Hammond who saying for us to go telling

451
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:27.280
the mountains, over the hills and
everywhere that Jesus Christ is born. The

452
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:30.360
reason for this season that we're currently
in. So if you're just joining us

453
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:36.159
on Adventures Radio London, you are
listening to Talking Point and we're just having

454
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:39.760
a bit of a recap and thinking
about over twenty twenty three, talking about

455
00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:43.880
some of the things we've been doing
personally, what we've been doing within our

456
00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:47.039
church ministry work, and also what
we've been doing on Talking Point as well

457
00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:52.360
as we would just be just talking
to pastorway Patrick, founder of one of

458
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:57.400
the found and presenters of Talking Points, had to step back from our show

459
00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:02.360
over the last year because he's been
focusing on other programs May the Breakfast Show

460
00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:07.199
plus all his mystery work as well, and really the key thing, as

461
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:08.639
he said, one of the things
he wants to do is obviously to be

462
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:13.119
preaching the truth and it is down
for us to be sharing the story,

463
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:16.039
sharing of God's love what we're doing. But as you were saying, one

464
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:20.239
thing that we would like to do
in terms of discussing things, we really

465
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:23.159
want to hear from you, our
listeners. So if you were interested actually

466
00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:27.920
coming on and being part of our
panel, please do get in contact with

467
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:31.440
us. You can contact us at
studio at Advantage Radio dot London. You

468
00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:37.360
can text us on at eight eight
triple two eight write hope and then your

469
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:40.719
message, or you could whatsappers on
seven, four, five, nine,

470
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:44.320
six, four, two, eight, nine eight, And if you'd like

471
00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:46.639
to get involved, we want to
hear, whether it's live on the show

472
00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:51.760
or actually if you'd be interested in
joining on the zoom or even coming to

473
00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:54.119
the studio to be part of our
panel, or if you have topics that

474
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:58.519
you'd really like us to talk about, because that's what it's of back conversations,

475
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:01.719
highlighting work that you're doing yourself in
the community, or a particular topic

476
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:06.639
they started to do. As Race
said about talking about Bible topics or things.

477
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:08.559
I want to do more of that. So you know, it's not

478
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:10.880
just us talking. We want to
hear from you as well, So do

479
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:16.320
get in contact. We do want
to really hear from you. So one

480
00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:20.800
of our rather guests that we have
with us is Josephine. Now many of

481
00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:23.400
you may know Josephine from the Breakfast
Show, but also her show that she

482
00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:29.360
does on a Wednesday evening. He
hears you, So Josephine, thank you

483
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:31.639
for joining us. So as much
as Josephine does do those other shows,

484
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:35.480
she does help us a lot on
talking points as well, whether she's coming

485
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:37.679
as a guest or some whether she's
kind of and I say behind the scenes,

486
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:42.519
she's right there in front of us
with the encouragement of the motivation and

487
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:46.039
everything else. So and I know, I'm really really grateful for their help

488
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:51.719
and support that you've had on talking
Points. But how was twenty Where are

489
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:55.639
we twenty twenty three? How was
that? How has this year been for

490
00:43:55.760 --> 00:44:00.599
you? I know you're busy,
visit busy, and like we all are,

491
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:04.360
You've been doing loads of stuff and
we secretly know some of the things

492
00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:08.199
you've been doing. But it's been
a really nice year, like a new

493
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:14.000
year in the sense of like entering
too new ventures and things like that.

494
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:20.159
I started off the year by being
at New Bold and from January till May,

495
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:24.159
and you just it's the year in
mission course, but you just joined

496
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:29.800
the theology students in their classes there
and that was just to start off my

497
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:32.599
trip which I just got back from, which was in Malawi. I was

498
00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:37.760
there for three months and in between
that I was working back at school at

499
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:43.000
Eden there full time in between.
So, yeah, it's been a nice

500
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:45.519
year. I feel the different things
very good. That's really good. And

501
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:50.800
in terms of talking Point, you
know, how has that been for you?

502
00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:54.400
With talking Point? I know obviously
sometimes it is sometimes the technical side

503
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:57.360
of stuff where you've come on some
of the shows I'm not talking about.

504
00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:00.840
I can't think which ones you've done
now to discuss up, but women,

505
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:10.360
yes, the conversation then everything's ago. Yeah you've been part of that.

506
00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:16.119
Yeah, obviously we went to France. We've just spoken about that. But

507
00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:20.440
yeah, how was Obviously you know
you have your own shows, but what

508
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:23.039
is it for you then helping on
other shows as well? Oh? I

509
00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:29.440
enjoy it. I think you guys
started the journey on radio earlier than me.

510
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:34.280
But okay, on the on another
side of things, it's like the

511
00:45:34.400 --> 00:45:39.760
friendship and relationship side because I joined
radio I think as COVID was just tailing

512
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:45.840
off, I think, and then
so before and Mum and I had just

513
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:50.039
moved to Hemil Hempstead, so all
my friends and everything were in South London.

514
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:54.000
Weren't really traveling like that during that
time. So then coming to Talking

515
00:45:54.119 --> 00:46:00.280
Point and it became like a little
fla family. So even our different backgrounds

516
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:06.480
are different ages wherever it may be. I think you guys played such a

517
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:10.599
big part during that transition out of
COVID again, so this year I think

518
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:15.519
everything was a bit more settled.
We had the change of Ray not being

519
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:19.760
on the show anymore, so I
think that brought a different dynamic to how

520
00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:22.920
we operate with this show and stuff
like that. So getting to know you

521
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:25.400
guys a bit better, a bit
more, and then we have the front

522
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:35.840
But yeah, it was a nice
dynamic that in that sense, and taking

523
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:37.440
a back seat because not every time
I had to talk, so that was

524
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:40.800
nice. Yeah, it's interesting,
as you say that, because one of

525
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:45.039
the shows that we did do I
think it was around August. Some of

526
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:47.760
them we've talked about. Sometimes we
do sort of awareness days and as Joseph,

527
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:50.559
you will know this because I hear
you on the Breakfast they do it.

528
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:52.760
There was a day for absolutely everything. You know, you could kind

529
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:55.559
of look and sometimes when we're planning
it's like, Okay, there's going to

530
00:46:55.559 --> 00:47:00.159
be a day for something. But
actually sometimes they make really good topics of

531
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:04.760
conversation, and one of those was
Friendship was Friendship Day, International Friendship Day.

532
00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:09.039
We have another actually presenter on Eugenny
came on with myself and Zenya and

533
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:15.519
she does family Matters on a Sunday
morning, and it was really interesting just

534
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:19.920
to have a conversation about friendship,
and you know, I'd like to think

535
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:23.280
everybody has a friend somewhere, but
I say that we can't always take that

536
00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:28.039
for granted because many people don't necessarily
have those connections and friendship. And when

537
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:30.639
you sort of think about different times
of the year, maybe around this time

538
00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:34.960
of the year as well, you
know, people may not have people close

539
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:37.800
to them, you know. During
COVID, loneliness was one of the biggest

540
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:40.519
things that came out of that.
People are kind of you know, we're

541
00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:45.880
kind of dealing with that. So
the concept of friends and friendship, and

542
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:49.320
I think sometimes and I've discovered as
I've got older, that you don't make

543
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.280
as many friends as you used to, you know, especially if you're not

544
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:55.599
out and about March, not traveling
much. COVID put a stop to a

545
00:47:55.639 --> 00:47:59.400
lot of that, so, you
know, but been able to use other

546
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:02.760
platform forms and other things to do. Actually was you know, if we

547
00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:07.599
can widen our sort of network and
everything else. So definitely, as you

548
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:12.920
get old as well, you recognize
that it isn't just about quantity, it's

549
00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:16.119
about quality. Yeah, and you're
a bit more specific about who you engage,

550
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:19.960
who you let into your circle and
things like that. And for me,

551
00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:22.679
adventures radio is like family. Yeah, we've come to know each other.

552
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:27.280
We're at each other's engagements, birthdays, you know, we meet up

553
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:30.480
for me or you know, there's
a lot of fellowship going on. And

554
00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:34.679
to extend that to our listeners,
I think they as well feel a part

555
00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:37.039
of the family. When we do
things like this where we're on Instagram and

556
00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:39.480
people can see here the banter,
the behind the scenes and all that kind

557
00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:44.039
of stuff, it's really good and
I think if nothing else, I think

558
00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:46.320
we value that. Yeah, and
again it'd be at the same thing that

559
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:49.559
as well. You know, we
did a show on gratitude as well.

560
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:52.599
You know, sometimes we can be
quite grateful for even though sometimes you know,

561
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:55.280
I would sometimes think, you know, a Sabbath, I think our

562
00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:58.400
time of the show, it can
be a bit of an awkward one.

563
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:00.639
You could have a really you know, good morning and then kind of rushing

564
00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:04.880
five or seven. Sometimes it's a
tricky one. Often people are at you

565
00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:07.320
know, church with a way programs
and you sometimes think, oh, people

566
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:12.280
are really listening it this time,
But I know they are. And even

567
00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:15.239
if they don't listen on the you
know, on the Sabbath evening, they'll

568
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:17.119
go back. We're on Spreaker,
So if you ever want to listen in

569
00:49:17.239 --> 00:49:21.920
again, you know, either on
the website or on Spreaker, you can

570
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:23.320
find our shows that you kind of
realize that yep, you know, even

571
00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:27.840
if it's one person, it's still
worth it. And you know, it

572
00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:30.119
always brings a smile to my face
to sort of say, you know,

573
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:36.880
we're engaging with people. I learned
from people, So yeah, I mean

574
00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:39.599
in the hecticness of it and the
hustle and bustle of it and all that,

575
00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:44.519
once you sat here and you know
you're delivering and you're sort of appreciating

576
00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:50.960
all the platform and this is this
is a magnificent platform we're reaching. You

577
00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:54.639
know, I only haven't walked out
what our reach has been and who has

578
00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:59.039
been impacted, and it's just it's
amazing to be part of it. I

579
00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:02.400
feel very privileged. Yeah, I
think so, because when I'm thinking of

580
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:09.599
like relationally between us behind the scenes, I think before this year, I

581
00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:15.119
was really socially withdrawn, so had
had a breakup during lockdown, and then

582
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:19.760
lockdown's there, so you're not seeing
the people you would normally see. Then

583
00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:22.599
the move on top of that,
so to come back out there was like

584
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:29.519
quite like high anxiety dealing with getting
back into church activities or seeing people that

585
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:32.760
I used to. So radio has
really been that place of like just having

586
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:39.920
security in that and trusting friendships in
that moment. But I think sometimes I

587
00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:45.199
don't know if people think you have
it all together being on radio like like

588
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:52.000
spooitual walk smooth, life smooth.
But I do think we do not right

589
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:53.719
job, you know. Help.
Yeah, when we talk, when we

590
00:50:53.800 --> 00:50:57.920
talk about our days and check ins
and stuff like that, we're not all

591
00:50:58.039 --> 00:51:00.199
like, oh, it's a bed
of roses like we do say, this

592
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:04.960
week's been tiring, this week's been
stressful, and it makes us like real

593
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:08.920
and understandable because even just today,
and it's a trend that keeps coming up,

594
00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:14.880
this rhetoric that as Christians, you
can't be stressed, you can't have

595
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:20.320
depression, you can't have anxiety,
when these are real human emotions that God

596
00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:24.480
acknowledges and sees so much that he
reminds us so many times in the Bible

597
00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:29.000
not to fear or reminds us that
He is with us. He wouldn't do

598
00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:32.440
that that many times if we weren't
literally allowed to have those feelings. So

599
00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:37.159
when we come on and no matter
how joky or serious the show is,

600
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:39.599
we have a moment to share Okay, how our week's been or how we're

601
00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:44.960
doing. I think it's good to
hear other Christians like, Okay, we've

602
00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:49.519
got our ups and downs in the
midst of that. So yeah, because

603
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:51.880
I think somebody actually commented to me
it's like every time, you know,

604
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:53.039
how is your weeping? Oh yeah, it's been good, and it's like,

605
00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:57.000
is it really? And so you
know what, You're so right?

606
00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:00.599
Actually we're talking about you know,
I think our strapline is real conversations you

607
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:04.559
need to have. So we do. We try to keep it real,

608
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:07.360
and that's not necessarily about exposing everything. We share what we're comfortable with sharing,

609
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:12.320
but if I could be real about
something that I may be going through

610
00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:15.199
or any else is going through,
or to be that support as well,

611
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:19.400
because sometimes when we talk about things, we can add an encouraging word,

612
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:22.559
we can talk about, but we
can be the reminders that, as you

613
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:24.920
said, Josephine, God is there
for us. You know, He's holding

614
00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:29.159
us with his righteous right hand.
One of my favorite text which I can't

615
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:31.239
remember, it's fun, but I
shall check again. You know, that

616
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:38.519
can be what somebody else who's listening
can benefit from. So yeah, absolutely,

617
00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:43.840
keeping it real, Yeah, I
would say, yeah, the stress

618
00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:46.320
everything is, you know, I
would say, as much as twenty twenty

619
00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:51.320
three has been a good year,
it's been a tough year. I mean

620
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:55.039
there's no smooth sailing. I think
we all go through the highs and laws

621
00:52:55.079 --> 00:52:59.519
of life. I think, as
Bastaray said, his year, there were

622
00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:01.880
more high and laws. But that's
if we expect next years to be next

623
00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:05.639
year to be different, then we're
going to be shocked. There's going to

624
00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:07.199
be more of the same, and
we just have to pray that it's more

625
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:10.239
high than loss. You know,
the difficult times we can get through them

626
00:53:10.320 --> 00:53:15.199
with that help. But I mean
that's like the way our minds are wired.

627
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:17.679
Like even in a day, a
whole twenty four hours, the day

628
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:24.199
can be whether average or fantastic,
and literally one moment's worth of something not

629
00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:29.320
going well, we'll change our mood
for the entire day. And so having

630
00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:35.239
the reminder and ability through God's spirit, because it's not natural for us humans

631
00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:37.559
to just be like, Okay,
this was a moment, let me refocus,

632
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:40.719
let me be back in the moment
where things are actually okay would be

633
00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:45.079
a game changer for us going through
out our lives, because it's very easy

634
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:47.320
to focus on what's not going well. I found your text. It was

635
00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:52.639
as I are forty one ten.
Yes, So do not fear, for

636
00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:54.599
I am with you. Do not
be dismayed, For I am your God.

637
00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:58.800
I will strengthen you and help you. I will uphold you with my

638
00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:02.039
righteous right hand. Yeah, and
that's that's a powerful one. And I

639
00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:07.920
think even on radio, as we
minister to other people, you guys can

640
00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:12.920
attest on not you're actually ministering to
yourself as well. Because I'm trying to

641
00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:16.119
think if I took out my radio
work times where we do devotion and pray,

642
00:54:19.159 --> 00:54:22.559
I don't know how consistent I might
have been outside of this context or

643
00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:28.039
in low times where maybe I wouldn't
have the energy to do it myself by

644
00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:30.960
myself. When I'm on radio,
you know, it's that nudge in the

645
00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:37.199
right direction, and sometimes it hits
you even more. Yeah, totally.

646
00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:39.719
And I think even the kind of
the whole kind of researching and looking at

647
00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:45.159
things, it's just you know,
great minds and all of that. You

648
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:50.159
know, it's just like, actually
I am then reminded of these the God's

649
00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:52.840
promises, you know, and then
I kind of think, you know,

650
00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:54.840
the things that I really want to
share with people. You know, what

651
00:54:55.039 --> 00:55:00.639
can I say that's going to encourage
somebody else, or you open up somebody's

652
00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:05.960
mind to something, or you know, remind us reminded me. You know,

653
00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:07.360
we have our weekly meetings and it's
just like, yeah, it's a

654
00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:10.400
good opportunity to talk about everything.
But we're thinking about the shows and thinking

655
00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:14.519
what message do we want to get
out there, what impacts can we have?

656
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:17.119
You know, that's what we really
try to do in terms of what

657
00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:21.679
we talk about is to make sure
it's relevant. I mean, our tagline

658
00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:24.079
is the conversations you need to have, and we're trying to make them about

659
00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:29.760
things that really matter matter to our
listeners. And again, we just encourage

660
00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:31.440
you. If there's a topic you
want to discuss, if there's an issue

661
00:55:31.480 --> 00:55:35.800
you want to unpack, let us
know. We will bring in the experts.

662
00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:37.920
I think that's the beauty of Talking
Point and how it differs to many

663
00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:42.280
of the other shows is that we
try to get the experts in a lot

664
00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:45.400
of our shows. This year we
have tapped into Cornerstone counseling. We have

665
00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:51.480
had doctors, We've had them all
and if you're an expert, I should

666
00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:54.119
say here now as well that you
can join us if there's a conversation that

667
00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:58.559
you'd like to be a part of. But that for me is what I

668
00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:01.280
take away week. And it's funny
how the year flies when you do a

669
00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:05.760
weekly show or a monthly show.
But that's what I take away a week

670
00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:08.800
from week gets to research is getting
prepared and doing the Bible study and doing

671
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:12.920
all that in preparation for the show. And as do Fine says, I,

672
00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:15.760
if I didn't do that, I'm
not sure how much of it I

673
00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:19.400
would do on my own back on
my own account. And of course,

674
00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:23.320
whatever I learn and I gather,
I'd like to share it with our listeners

675
00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:28.199
because I feel that they may be
in the similar boat or well, that's

676
00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:30.559
what you're saying, and that's what
I'm saving them the time perhaps of doing

677
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:35.280
the research themselves, or encouraging them
or pointing them in the right direction.

678
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:38.800
I think that's for me what Talking
Point does more than anything. Yeah,

679
00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:42.360
And one of the things following up
for that, we did a whole series

680
00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:46.079
of We've been looking throughout the year
on various mental health topics, and there's

681
00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:55.280
different awareness days throughout the year World
Mental Health Day, there's various ones so

682
00:56:55.639 --> 00:56:59.400
to list. But again, so
you know, we will have our practitioners

683
00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:04.119
on and so i'd like to sort
of thank you know, Dorothy naming names

684
00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:09.440
Alison and the connection that I've heard
everyone about Semple, There was Kelly,

685
00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:15.280
There's there's there's so many. Yeah, there are all the practitioners that we've

686
00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:21.360
had on and again, you know, mental health and the impacts of challenges

687
00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:22.679
that we have. You know,
this year has been a tough year for

688
00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:29.000
many people in terms of coming out
of COVID and the lockdown we were in

689
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:34.760
kind of you know, oh economic
crisis, you know, plus all the

690
00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:37.920
wars and what have you, and
how that's impacting people, you know,

691
00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:42.880
changing people's dynamics and thought pressers about
certain things. You know. So it's

692
00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:45.920
impacting people's mental health on a big, big way. And often what we've

693
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:50.559
been trying to encourage is people to
actually reach out. God has got us,

694
00:57:50.719 --> 00:57:52.840
but He's also blessed people with a
gift to be able to listen,

695
00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:58.000
to empathize, and to help you
explore and work through the challenges that you're

696
00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:00.639
going through. So we've had a
practitioner. We did a whole series with

697
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:07.159
Cornerstone Counseling, which is our own
counseling service with the Adventist Church, and

698
00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:08.639
you know, they kind of went
through, you know, from the real

699
00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:13.079
basics because again, we hear mental
health and there's so many, so much

700
00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:15.280
stigma attached to that, and we
wanted to kind of debunk a lot of

701
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:20.519
that been people on who can talk
about that, make it relatable to things

702
00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:22.400
that you're doing, and then encourage
people to reach out. So, you

703
00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:25.880
know, we talked about trauma and
you know, many people have gone through

704
00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:30.280
a lot of traumatic situations of the
last few years. Also talked about mental

705
00:58:30.320 --> 00:58:34.360
health for older people, for seniors
as well, you know, you and

706
00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:37.800
your twilight years. We had a
group from a group at Balam, the

707
00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:44.480
Autumn Rose Club that did a project
with Dorothy with that sort of again and

708
00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:47.239
that was that had a really good
kind of turnout for that and kind of

709
00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:50.639
the impact of that as well.
You know, there was a couple of

710
00:58:50.679 --> 00:58:54.400
people, you know, again isolation, loneliness, the loss because many people

711
00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:58.400
have lost their partners and what have
you of the years, you know,

712
00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:01.719
had actually been able to explore different
topics with people. Grief was a big

713
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:05.880
thing actually from what I understand,
you know, been able to kind of

714
00:59:06.039 --> 00:59:08.840
help them, kind of do that
en theyble people to share, talk openly

715
00:59:09.000 --> 00:59:14.000
and offer the supporter as well.
So yeah, definitely, mental health is

716
00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:15.760
one that we would encourage you to
if you need the help and support,

717
00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:20.360
do reach out. Don't suffer in
silence. There is people out there who

718
00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:23.199
can help you. Lots of services
within our church, outside the church as

719
00:59:23.239 --> 00:59:28.639
well. So and before the end
of the show, we'll share the Cornerstone

720
00:59:28.719 --> 00:59:32.119
jingle so you can capture the number. And then there's several several of organizations

721
00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:37.159
out there who are focused on mental
health, particularly after the COVID lockdown,

722
00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:40.800
because that's I think really emphasis lay. Yeah, so we've got mind,

723
00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:45.599
We've got some Maritians, We've got
so many of them. So just google

724
00:59:46.639 --> 00:59:51.679
if you need somebody to talk to, reach out. I think that was

725
00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:55.000
the main message of our our conversations
this year. Just do not suffer in

726
00:59:55.079 --> 00:59:59.679
silence, do not suffer alone.
Yes, God loves us. Yes,

727
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:04.280
part of a Christian community, and
there's a certain taboo about saying that we

728
01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:07.159
are in you know, in the
weeds and we need help. But it

729
01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:10.800
really shouldn't be. I think we
suffer in silence because we don't want to

730
01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:14.239
share. We don't feel it's a
safe space to share, you know,

731
01:00:14.360 --> 01:00:16.360
all of it going on. We
feel we'd be judged, et cetera,

732
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:21.079
et cetera. But long and short
is there are people available. Yeah,

733
01:00:21.679 --> 01:00:25.320
and just leverage the support that you
have and love the people around you.

734
01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:30.239
That's important your life is sure.
Yeah, And it's supporting we you know,

735
01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:34.159
we're talking about gratitude, friendship,
it's looking out for each other as

736
01:00:34.239 --> 01:00:37.159
well. You know, we say
we're a church family, and you know

737
01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:40.440
where that's by blood and again we've
we've done the whole. We've talked about

738
01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:45.400
families as well, sibling relationships,
friendships, et cetera. So you know,

739
01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:47.719
it's really important that we are trying
to support each other within the church

740
01:00:47.760 --> 01:00:52.159
and outside of the church as well. You know. So, Josephine,

741
01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:58.119
in terms of going into twenty twenty
four, might be OK, ahead,

742
01:00:58.360 --> 01:01:01.679
We've got twenty four. We've got
to unpack that. True, so true,

743
01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:08.239
so true. I'm going ahead.
I'm not sure how much you've shared

744
01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:10.920
on the breakfast, and I'm not
sure how much of our listeners missed that

745
01:01:12.159 --> 01:01:15.280
or got that or what what would
you like? I certainly want to know.

746
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:21.519
I mean, was it what you
expected? Was it what you anticipated?

747
01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:25.519
I mean, this is your first
sort of solo mission, and what

748
01:01:25.719 --> 01:01:30.280
was it like. I tried not
to have too many expectations, but I

749
01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:37.000
realized when things didn't go to plan, I had expectations. Yeah, so

750
01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:39.599
that was interesting. Gone, no, no, no, I was just

751
01:01:39.639 --> 01:01:45.920
gonna say Pedro's on high, Pedro
Petro. But yeah, so this one's

752
01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:49.880
different. Normally when I've gone,
I go with a group and then we

753
01:01:50.039 --> 01:01:53.199
have organized things that we're doing,
so it's really setting stone what you're about

754
01:01:53.239 --> 01:01:59.239
to do whilst being there. But
this time I picked the country and then

755
01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:02.320
I was saw out what I'm going
to do, okay as I go along,

756
01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:07.000
so I present what I'm open to. They had my CV before I

757
01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:12.480
left, so they were supposed to
like work with that and try and get

758
01:02:12.519 --> 01:02:17.239
things established just before I came.
But it wasn't established just before I came.

759
01:02:17.480 --> 01:02:22.199
So there was a good portion of
time where I was meeting different people

760
01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:27.679
and trying to get started getting the
flow of things. So things that I

761
01:02:27.840 --> 01:02:32.599
touched on whilst being in Malawi prison
ministries. They had their Hope channel helping

762
01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:38.280
them out with their media side of
things. A local school and that's where

763
01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:43.960
I was predominantly. I was doing
the one to one mentoring with the children

764
01:02:44.079 --> 01:02:47.480
there and then helping out with the
church. Those were the main things that

765
01:02:47.480 --> 01:02:51.960
I was working on whilst being there. They focus on young people in terms

766
01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:53.960
of what ages were you talking about
In terms of the school, Oh,

767
01:02:54.039 --> 01:02:59.440
the school I was in secondary school, they're kind of mixed, they're not

768
01:02:59.519 --> 01:03:05.719
as clear cut the classes. So
I think the youngest was thirteen and the

769
01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:10.719
eldest was twenty. Yeah. Yeah, so that was interesting. But I

770
01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:16.039
found culturally things like mental health are
not talked about a lot, even though

771
01:03:16.039 --> 01:03:21.519
when I spoke to I think it
was the president of the union SDA union,

772
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:24.719
they were saying the suicide rates in
Malawi are really high with young people.

773
01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:29.719
But you know, the sentiment of
if we don't talk about it,

774
01:03:29.800 --> 01:03:34.840
it won't happen is very prevalent.
Yeah. So when I'd come to the

775
01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:37.639
school to offer, you know,
okay, let's try this because there's a

776
01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:43.599
need for it, there was kind
of like a bit of uncertainty, like

777
01:03:43.639 --> 01:03:46.039
who's this girl coming across saying that
we need this, our kids are fine

778
01:03:46.119 --> 01:03:51.079
sort of thing. So it did
take a bit of time for them to

779
01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:55.119
accept, and I think it was
mainly down to the kid's word of mouth.

780
01:03:55.239 --> 01:03:59.199
They were like when I had I
think two or three initially no,

781
01:03:59.239 --> 01:04:01.639
I had two initials. They went
to tell their friends or you can talk

782
01:04:02.039 --> 01:04:06.599
like about and come to me and
talk about it. And then gradually more

783
01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:11.679
and more kids came on that side
of things, So it worked out eventually.

784
01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:15.360
It was just hard to get to
that's what. Yeah, that's really

785
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:18.960
interesting actually because there is such a
stigma around mental health. I mean,

786
01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:21.960
I mean in the work that Idea
work at a university and there's a lot

787
01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:26.880
of international students and so many and
I was I mentioned this in one of

788
01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:29.320
my team meetings the other day,
so many of them will be like,

789
01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:30.639
I don't want my parents to know. I don't my family to know what

790
01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:34.679
I'm going through because it would be
the list of the shame, the embarrassment,

791
01:04:34.760 --> 01:04:38.760
all of those things, or just
the real lack of understanding. And

792
01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:41.800
it made me feel really sad that
you just think they're just not getting this,

793
01:04:42.159 --> 01:04:45.760
possibly won't get any support around this, you know. But every little

794
01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:49.079
thing that you could do. So
it's great that actually they were open to

795
01:04:49.159 --> 01:04:53.639
a certain degree, and it's about
building up the trust and everything else,

796
01:04:53.679 --> 01:04:58.039
I suppose, but how needed it
is, especially when you because I'm going

797
01:04:58.199 --> 01:05:00.920
you're saying about the suicide rates.
I would not need be aware of that,

798
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:04.480
but something like that, there must
be a reason that's happening. And

799
01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:09.719
if there's that need, it's frustrating
to think that they're not actually trying to

800
01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:14.800
meet that need for various reasons,
you know. So it's good that if

801
01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:19.000
you were able to offer something and
show something that could be done in that

802
01:05:19.119 --> 01:05:24.159
area. I think the only thing
when it comes to especially things like that

803
01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:27.280
like one to one, especially because
it started so late in my stay,

804
01:05:28.719 --> 01:05:31.800
is the like they need this,
not just for the period of time I'm

805
01:05:31.840 --> 01:05:39.639
there. So that's when the difficulty
does come in, whereby you would ideally

806
01:05:39.760 --> 01:05:43.840
want to continue this time with them. Some of them I could keep contact

807
01:05:43.920 --> 01:05:47.039
with because they're older than a certain
age, but most of them were younger

808
01:05:47.119 --> 01:05:51.880
than a certain age, so to
keep that contact all communication. Yeah,

809
01:05:53.880 --> 01:05:59.159
So it was a good experience and
I really learned a lot. I think

810
01:05:59.199 --> 01:06:03.840
it was a wake up cool for
independent traveling and things like confidence in what

811
01:06:04.000 --> 01:06:09.920
you're going to share with them,
clarity with what you're going to do.

812
01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:15.039
I had to really learn to do
better whilst being there because the humble,

813
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:18.519
meek and mild stuff is not going
to get you heard if you're there for

814
01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:23.320
a purpose. Yeah, did I
see what you post about that? That's

815
01:06:23.320 --> 01:06:28.119
not that recently I was saying about
being humble and being meet but you're going

816
01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:31.760
to be overlooked. Oh is it? Oh it wasn't me, but it's

817
01:06:31.960 --> 01:06:35.599
interesting. But then, you know, but we are cool to be bold

818
01:06:35.760 --> 01:06:40.960
in what we're going out. You
know, if you're going to go and

819
01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:44.840
spread a message, the chances are
that everybody's going to want to hear it.

820
01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:48.679
So you're either going to talk as
loud as you can in the right

821
01:06:48.800 --> 01:06:53.159
kind of way, et cetera,
et cetera, or not all you possibly

822
01:06:53.199 --> 01:06:55.760
will get overlooked. But that's kind
of you know, if we talk about

823
01:06:55.800 --> 01:06:58.480
going to spread the must message and
how kind of mission is to go out

824
01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:01.119
there and teach your nations, it's
and it's like, well, yeah,

825
01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:04.360
if you've got to be bold with
that, especially think about today's climate,

826
01:07:04.920 --> 01:07:10.400
it's not easy and many people are
open to that, but so many people

827
01:07:10.480 --> 01:07:15.559
aren't, especially with everything that's happening
around the world. So I think for

828
01:07:15.679 --> 01:07:19.519
me, it would be confident in
Christ. Yeah, that's that's the difference,

829
01:07:19.559 --> 01:07:23.639
because there's a fine line between confidence
and cockie, isn't it. Of

830
01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:26.880
course, Yeah, paradent and et
cetera. And I think that's where you're

831
01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:30.440
coming from in terms of the humility, you know, Yeah, we're called

832
01:07:30.519 --> 01:07:32.719
to be humble, but yeah,
it's about being confident in Christ. And

833
01:07:33.800 --> 01:07:39.960
I wish I was because well more
so and earlier on, because there was

834
01:07:40.039 --> 01:07:44.159
definitely a part of me going by
myself. I'm like, oh, is

835
01:07:44.199 --> 01:07:47.079
what I'm going to do be valuable? And even though it made sense logically

836
01:07:47.519 --> 01:07:51.679
and I know God was calling me
to do certain things, there was still

837
01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:55.760
a part of me that didn't just
do it with confidence. Yeah, and

838
01:07:56.320 --> 01:07:59.360
then when it started working out,
bearing in mind this is when there's been

839
01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:02.599
resistance initially to it. When it
works out and the kids are talking and

840
01:08:02.760 --> 01:08:06.440
changing and developing, then they're like, oh, we wish you did this

841
01:08:06.639 --> 01:08:10.599
sooner. And then I was thinking, Josephine, like I just got to

842
01:08:10.639 --> 01:08:15.000
trust God and move with confidence in
that sense, because some people think the

843
01:08:15.119 --> 01:08:18.479
biggest thing is making the decision to
take the trip to the country. For

844
01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:23.159
me, that doesn't phaze me,
but what happens in the country, that's

845
01:08:23.199 --> 01:08:27.439
the biggest jump that was made for
myself, that was needed. Yeah,

846
01:08:28.319 --> 01:08:30.199
And I asked the question, based
on what you've said about working with the

847
01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:34.279
young people, did you find that
the issues there differed to the issues here?

848
01:08:34.520 --> 01:08:39.199
Do the young people struggle worldwide with
the same Yeah, same problems.

849
01:08:39.640 --> 01:08:45.279
It's same problems, but maybe,
for instance, sexuality is a hot topic

850
01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:48.720
at the moment here, not a
hot topic in the country as a whole

851
01:08:48.760 --> 01:08:53.800
in Malawi, but I had a
student that was struggling with that and the

852
01:08:53.920 --> 01:08:59.039
repercussions. Yes, there are repercussions
here in a religious sense, in a

853
01:08:59.119 --> 01:09:05.439
cultural sense in extent, but there
is greater it's some serious consequences to it.

854
01:09:06.359 --> 01:09:09.960
So one of the things that I
had to do from the start is

855
01:09:10.079 --> 01:09:14.520
established that whatever the children share with
me, I don't share with the teachers

856
01:09:15.039 --> 01:09:18.680
unless their lives are in danger in
that sense. So that did create a

857
01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:23.960
safety for something that would not like
even within the family unit, can't be

858
01:09:24.079 --> 01:09:27.920
talked about. Otherwise you're taken out
of school, they're taken out of the

859
01:09:28.039 --> 01:09:32.359
church, you know, exiled from
your community, and you know there are

860
01:09:32.439 --> 01:09:35.840
extremes that people will take in the
name of this is not what God wants.

861
01:09:35.920 --> 01:09:41.239
So you are not what God wants. That's that's scary. That is

862
01:09:41.319 --> 01:09:45.680
really scary, and it's really sad
as well, because it's because it's something

863
01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:47.439
in the situation like that. I
think, what would Jesus do in that

864
01:09:47.560 --> 01:09:51.079
situation? And we know what Jesus
we're doing that because we've seen the stories

865
01:09:51.720 --> 01:09:58.560
very madaline, you know, Yeah, it's just like yeah, but for

866
01:09:58.720 --> 01:10:00.159
many I guess I don't see that. It's like that. Yeah, and

867
01:10:00.279 --> 01:10:03.600
we're governed by culture. That stuff
a sad reality. We have to break

868
01:10:03.680 --> 01:10:12.479
through some of these barriers and stereotypes
and all that. That was another interesting

869
01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:16.159
aspect was the church. So I
would help out prayer here or a song

870
01:10:16.239 --> 01:10:21.479
here, praise team and worship at
the local church. But you know,

871
01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:29.279
the contrast with the SDA church and
here is not a big contrast. No,

872
01:10:29.800 --> 01:10:34.399
Yeah, So I actually spent a
lot of and mission comes in different

873
01:10:34.439 --> 01:10:39.159
ways because I'll never be the person
to maybe go to the street and say,

874
01:10:39.199 --> 01:10:42.920
okay, come follow Jesus. Mine
comes maybe in more interpersonal ways.

875
01:10:43.560 --> 01:10:45.920
So some of the conversations I had, I spent a lot of time like

876
01:10:46.439 --> 01:10:51.279
just maybe challenging their way of thinking. You're sitting there sweating in a three

877
01:10:51.359 --> 01:10:56.119
piece suit, Why do you think
it's necessary for church? Oh? I

878
01:10:56.199 --> 01:10:59.279
think it's necessary because God will accept
me, Like I need to bring my

879
01:10:59.359 --> 01:11:03.199
best to God. So why is
your traditional breathable clothing, like you know,

880
01:11:03.399 --> 01:11:05.960
they come in smart ways? Why
is that not enough for God?

881
01:11:06.079 --> 01:11:10.199
They're like, no, we need
the suit you need, And it's just

882
01:11:10.279 --> 01:11:13.760
such a shame those rhetorics. Same
with music. I go on and on

883
01:11:13.880 --> 01:11:17.399
about it in my show. You
know, hymns, the exact same hymns

884
01:11:17.439 --> 01:11:25.039
that we sing here allowed for church
service and nothing else. And as soon

885
01:11:25.079 --> 01:11:28.520
as Sabbath's over, they're going to
listen, not even to secular music,

886
01:11:28.880 --> 01:11:31.199
but just music that has their roots
in it, gospel music that has their

887
01:11:31.279 --> 01:11:36.039
roots in it, straight after church. Why is that not as valuable in

888
01:11:36.159 --> 01:11:40.279
the church? Why is it not
as holy? So, yeah, those

889
01:11:40.319 --> 01:11:44.000
conversations were fun. I think they
of me by the end. But as

890
01:11:44.079 --> 01:11:49.279
long as I've planted the sea,
Yeah, it's it's about raising awareness because

891
01:11:49.279 --> 01:11:51.720
the reality is, because you know, you talk about hymns and that you

892
01:11:51.760 --> 01:11:55.119
know, as a lover of hymns, well, do you know there's sometimes

893
01:11:55.159 --> 01:11:58.439
a history of the story behind some
of them or where the music's coming from.

894
01:11:59.000 --> 01:12:00.920
You know, you're just like,
actually, if you knew this,

895
01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:03.000
you might change your mind. And
that's what you'd all bee. It's neither

896
01:12:03.039 --> 01:12:06.840
here nor there sometimes, But actually
when you kind of level it out,

897
01:12:08.199 --> 01:12:11.760
as you said, what's the difference
or why is that better than the other

898
01:12:11.880 --> 01:12:15.199
thing? Or I mean even when
hymns were introduced into the church, there

899
01:12:15.359 --> 01:12:19.960
was still like not conflict, there
was resistance against the hymns when they first

900
01:12:20.039 --> 01:12:25.560
came. Anything new we have a
struggle with. So there's no innate holiness

901
01:12:25.720 --> 01:12:28.600
in a hymn. It's all about
the hearts, about the words, about

902
01:12:28.640 --> 01:12:31.640
the music, and that can come
in any form and any culture. Yeah,

903
01:12:31.800 --> 01:12:35.319
so yeah, I'm sure in other
denominations it might be different, but

904
01:12:35.399 --> 01:12:42.359
Adventism is very traditional corporate in that
sense. Yeah. Yes, it's interesting

905
01:12:42.399 --> 01:12:45.119
because I also think with that as
well. You know, when you think

906
01:12:45.119 --> 01:12:47.000
about how our church was started,
and you know, the young people who

907
01:12:47.119 --> 01:12:50.680
kind of we're doing something different and
kind of whatever, I kind of think,

908
01:12:50.760 --> 01:12:54.960
are we still going to have that
same kind of effect, because in

909
01:12:55.039 --> 01:12:59.479
some ways for me at times,
it feels like we've got to appoint nothing's

910
01:12:59.479 --> 01:13:02.640
really changed. It may do in
certain areas, but it's almost like this

911
01:13:02.800 --> 01:13:06.279
sort of big revival and kind of
be starting something and it's very different,

912
01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:11.880
and I wonder whether that's something that's
maybe needed, especially as times are changing.

913
01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:15.960
Times are in the time of trouble
is here and we're all saying that,

914
01:13:15.119 --> 01:13:18.279
but it really is, and how
things may have to change up to

915
01:13:18.399 --> 01:13:23.439
have such a bit much bigger impact. Yeah, yeah, that's a debate

916
01:13:23.560 --> 01:13:30.600
that well, that is a conversation. Yeah, that is a debate.

917
01:13:30.680 --> 01:13:35.079
I mean, we had Antwine on
that's a young man who I know was

918
01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:40.880
raised in the church. Met him
many many years ago, his dad,

919
01:13:41.119 --> 01:13:45.600
musician, his mom. And when
we spoke to him a few days ago

920
01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:50.119
or weeks ago in the knife crime
conversation or the mentum man to man conversation,

921
01:13:50.680 --> 01:13:54.119
he said, you know what,
he's drifted out of the church and

922
01:13:54.199 --> 01:13:57.479
he was honest about it, and
he was sharing why. And his story

923
01:13:57.680 --> 01:14:00.000
is not unique. You know a
lot of our young people are leaving or

924
01:14:00.039 --> 01:14:03.399
have left, and we need to
find a way. And I guess it's

925
01:14:03.439 --> 01:14:06.920
just striking the balance because I know
if you talk to Pastoray and so forth

926
01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:11.239
and give or take, he will
say, you know, the church is

927
01:14:11.279 --> 01:14:15.119
not for entertainment. We're not there
to try to entertain the young people.

928
01:14:15.199 --> 01:14:17.039
You know, we're trying to change
their lives. But we have to find

929
01:14:17.079 --> 01:14:21.680
a way to package this information,
to package the gospel so that is palpable.

930
01:14:23.119 --> 01:14:27.520
You know that the young people enjoy
and find value in it and not

931
01:14:27.640 --> 01:14:30.600
fall asleep on it. Well,
we have to. We have to enjoy

932
01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:35.279
them. We have to enjoy it
ourselves and find valuing it. I don't

933
01:14:35.319 --> 01:14:40.920
think sometimes we know we just say
Christianity is hardship and we'll get the reward

934
01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:44.840
after. But I think there are
rewards here on earth. Yeah, but

935
01:14:44.920 --> 01:14:48.000
it seems you say that that almost
makes that a contradiction in terms used to

936
01:14:48.079 --> 01:14:51.680
think, really bigger christian can't just
be there. Yeah, it can't be,

937
01:14:51.840 --> 01:14:55.199
and we know it isn't. If
God has got all these promises that

938
01:14:55.279 --> 01:14:59.039
he be reading the Bible, you
know, the amount enough of one each

939
01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:02.199
day. That's not all about hardship. And whilst they you know, we

940
01:15:02.279 --> 01:15:05.880
will go through hard times, we
then should be encouraged that actually it's not

941
01:15:05.920 --> 01:15:10.479
going to be that. So why
can't my Christian experience be one of joy,

942
01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:15.239
one of happiness, one of enjoyment, And for many of us it

943
01:15:15.399 --> 01:15:17.840
is. And I'm certainly not suggesting
that it's not for people, but as

944
01:15:17.920 --> 01:15:23.159
you said, that kind of narrative
that sometimes comes across, it's very,

945
01:15:23.279 --> 01:15:27.640
very different from that. Yeah,
but let me say hello to sim to

946
01:15:27.800 --> 01:15:31.359
Karina, to Sue, to Naomi, thank you for joining us on Instagram.

947
01:15:31.720 --> 01:15:40.199
Yes, yeah, yeah, So
with that, I'm going to just

948
01:15:40.279 --> 01:15:44.119
have another piece of music coming.
Oh, so our show sometimes goes really

949
01:15:44.199 --> 01:15:45.439
quickly. We also five till seven, and so it was like, oh,

950
01:15:45.439 --> 01:15:47.800
it's a really long time, and
then we get to this point and

951
01:15:47.840 --> 01:15:53.119
I'm like, oh, coming down. But but again another I realize I've

952
01:15:53.159 --> 01:15:56.880
kind of picked a few kind of
fistive songs for the show today, but

953
01:15:57.399 --> 01:16:00.279
this is what's to come. Indeed, But this is kind of one of

954
01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:02.800
one of my favorites. I mean, I love I love like we're talking

955
01:16:02.800 --> 01:16:05.520
about ymns, I love the carols, et cetera. But I really love

956
01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:10.560
different arrangements of this. So this
is a come all you faithful by an

957
01:16:10.600 --> 01:16:14.159
A cappella group called Pentatonics, which
I really have been playing that a lot

958
01:16:14.239 --> 01:16:17.239
this week. Actually my mum have
been singing along to the Christmas music as

959
01:16:17.279 --> 01:16:20.720
it were. But yeah, so
I want to you to share with me.

960
01:16:21.479 --> 01:16:45.000
Come all you faithful by Pentatonics.
Come joy for for Come come YouTube

961
01:16:54.960 --> 01:17:09.600
line buck Come, let us to
talk about cous coming. Let us a

962
01:17:10.079 --> 01:17:19.319
door. Emperor, my name,
my bed, Come my bad, go

963
01:17:19.560 --> 01:17:29.239
to background my dad, Come my
bad, come my back, go to

964
01:17:29.520 --> 01:17:53.600
bad. Oh see why is I'm
seen in ex Come come to be by

965
01:17:53.840 --> 01:18:14.720
the kings Oncome us fun the sort
you come. Welcome my bed, boil

966
01:18:14.880 --> 01:18:21.159
lock, come my bedcil to my
best, go to better, Come my

967
01:18:21.479 --> 01:18:28.119
bed, come my bear, oil, come my best, go to bed

968
01:18:29.800 --> 01:18:43.640
to pocomb spoke, Come I to
spocme my locome Spotcome my fa, Come

969
01:18:43.760 --> 01:18:58.880
I welcome, I fave locome full
my become, welcome my co pocome my

970
01:18:59.239 --> 01:19:59.600
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979
01:20:57.439 --> 01:21:01.319
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980
01:21:01.319 --> 01:21:06.239
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981
01:21:06.520 --> 01:21:10.880
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982
01:21:12.199 --> 01:21:15.840
We're coming to our last half hour
of talking Points, and if you haven't

983
01:21:16.000 --> 01:21:19.399
just joining us now. We've been
just having a look back over the year,

984
01:21:20.960 --> 01:21:27.720
myself and Zenya I hear from talking
Point. We've also spoke to Ray

985
01:21:29.600 --> 01:21:32.880
just a little while ago, and
we've also got Josephine. I think that's

986
01:21:32.880 --> 01:21:39.880
stopped the music, so so we
are, yeah, looking back over twenty

987
01:21:39.960 --> 01:21:42.880
twenty three. This is going to
be our last show for the year.

988
01:21:43.680 --> 01:21:45.720
We take a bit of a break
before and start preparing for our new year.

989
01:21:46.119 --> 01:21:48.319
And as we said before, you
know, we've had lots of things

990
01:21:48.359 --> 01:21:50.920
that we want to sort of talk
about, lot's of things that we want

991
01:21:51.039 --> 01:21:55.359
to share with you. So if
you do have anything that you would like

992
01:21:55.439 --> 01:21:58.399
to talk about, do you let
us know. If you're interested in being

993
01:21:58.399 --> 01:22:00.760
one of our panel to join the
discuss, do get in touch with us.

994
01:22:01.159 --> 01:22:03.960
There are various different ways to do
that. We'd love to hear from

995
01:22:04.000 --> 01:22:08.319
you, and we also want to
hear what you're doing in your local areas,

996
01:22:08.399 --> 01:22:11.479
in your churches, in your local
community and the impact you're having.

997
01:22:12.560 --> 01:22:16.359
We want to talk and yeah,
there's various ways you can get involved,

998
01:22:16.399 --> 01:22:20.840
so please do get in contact with
us. So joseph for the music,

999
01:22:20.920 --> 01:22:25.159
Josephine was just sharing with us about
her time in Malawi, what she's been

1000
01:22:25.199 --> 01:22:30.520
doing this year. So Josephine for
twenty twenty four, What's what's coming up

1001
01:22:30.600 --> 01:22:38.279
for you at the moment. I'm
trying to do mini jobs, okay,

1002
01:22:38.720 --> 01:22:43.520
So I'll go back to school but
only part time, okay, and then

1003
01:22:44.359 --> 01:22:48.399
continue with radio. Yeah, just
because I'm going to be off again from

1004
01:22:48.520 --> 01:22:51.159
March, so it's like midterm time, so I don't want to start a

1005
01:22:51.199 --> 01:22:56.000
whole Yeah, the whole teaching again
with that, So I'm trying to find

1006
01:22:56.039 --> 01:23:00.439
little jobs. If anyone's got a
job out there, Jose, be great,

1007
01:23:00.000 --> 01:23:03.600
so much I'll be heading to Ghana. This one will be a bit

1008
01:23:03.680 --> 01:23:09.039
different because I'm just going to one
school and doing what they need there,

1009
01:23:09.319 --> 01:23:14.520
so that would be the focus that
much to May. Then I'll come back

1010
01:23:15.399 --> 01:23:20.199
look for the jobs, continue and
then head back out maybe at the end

1011
01:23:20.279 --> 01:23:24.000
of the year, towards the end
of the year, and do another three

1012
01:23:24.079 --> 01:23:28.319
months somewhere else, either Uganda or
turns in there. Okay, Yeah,

1013
01:23:28.640 --> 01:23:31.039
are the particular reasons why you chose, like, say Malawi then you're going

1014
01:23:31.079 --> 01:23:36.880
to Ghana any particular reasons for those
particular countries. Malai just because past they'd

1015
01:23:36.920 --> 01:23:42.000
been there and he had the family
there, so the family hosted me while

1016
01:23:42.079 --> 01:23:45.520
I was there. I didn't know
them, but Ray had known them and

1017
01:23:45.640 --> 01:23:49.399
trusted them, so that would make
the process a bit easier. So yeah,

1018
01:23:49.800 --> 01:23:54.439
the opportunity just came. They were
quick to say we'll take you on

1019
01:23:54.600 --> 01:23:59.479
board. So I was like,
okay, I'll go somewhere new Ghana that's

1020
01:23:59.560 --> 01:24:03.239
my home, so I haven't been
there in years and one of my friends

1021
01:24:03.640 --> 01:24:08.920
families they started a school there,
one of the Adventists, so they were

1022
01:24:08.960 --> 01:24:11.560
asking for help with that, so
I thought, okay, let me pop

1023
01:24:12.079 --> 01:24:15.560
down and do that. And then
Tanzania i've been to, so I'll just

1024
01:24:15.640 --> 01:24:18.640
continue what I was doing with the
church there. And Uganda they built a

1025
01:24:18.680 --> 01:24:21.239
school that I don't know if you
remember, we were fund raising for them

1026
01:24:21.520 --> 01:24:26.479
in Tbe School Noah's Ark. Okay, we were raising money for them.

1027
01:24:26.560 --> 01:24:30.319
So they've completed that building and they're
getting things up and running, so it

1028
01:24:30.359 --> 01:24:33.479
would be nice to go and support
and see how that is. Oh,

1029
01:24:33.640 --> 01:24:36.039
that's really cool. As you said
about that, I remember actually going to

1030
01:24:36.279 --> 01:24:41.039
where made many it feels like years
years ago now, doing a trip to

1031
01:24:41.319 --> 01:24:45.039
Peru to help build a school as
well, and we were literally physically out

1032
01:24:45.079 --> 01:24:50.520
in the heat, which was like
okay, you think that a school and

1033
01:24:50.600 --> 01:24:54.880
they're like, okay, never saw
myself as a bricklayer or like that,

1034
01:24:55.199 --> 01:25:00.039
you know, my little bit to
status. Well, but again, you

1035
01:25:00.079 --> 01:25:02.319
know, the opportunity is she said
to see different places and meet different people,

1036
01:25:03.359 --> 01:25:05.560
so you know, I kind of
think to myself. I was speaking

1037
01:25:05.560 --> 01:25:09.720
to a student actually from Peru this
week and I thought, Oh my goodness,

1038
01:25:09.720 --> 01:25:12.720
I'd love to go back and actually
see what's happened. I never you

1039
01:25:12.760 --> 01:25:15.000
know, it's one of those things
I never really kept in contact with anybody

1040
01:25:15.159 --> 01:25:16.920
or to look back. And it's
been a long time ago, so I'd

1041
01:25:17.000 --> 01:25:20.199
like to think it's been established and
it's all you know, students are doing

1042
01:25:20.239 --> 01:25:24.399
really well there. But yeah,
okay, no, that sounds really exciting.

1043
01:25:24.960 --> 01:25:28.319
And if there's one kind of I
don't know, if there was a

1044
01:25:28.439 --> 01:25:31.039
word that you're going to describe you'd
like to sort of focus on for the

1045
01:25:31.159 --> 01:25:35.359
year, what would that be for
you? If there was anything a word

1046
01:25:36.279 --> 01:25:39.960
Okay, this is I guess it's
an angela thing, a word for the

1047
01:25:40.079 --> 01:25:45.920
year I have. In fact,
I'm going to look at my old ones

1048
01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:48.800
I can't remember, but have a
think in terms of, yeah, but

1049
01:25:48.840 --> 01:25:51.640
if there was a way that summed
up twenty twenty three for you, what

1050
01:25:51.800 --> 01:25:56.840
would that be? I think,
oh, that summed up twenty twenty three?

1051
01:25:56.920 --> 01:26:02.640
Yeah, yeah, before we go
into there, and maybe oh dear,

1052
01:26:03.319 --> 01:26:08.760
maybe something like rebuilding. Okay,
well, something along those lines,

1053
01:26:08.800 --> 01:26:12.399
because I think this year I really
put into motion things that I've desired to

1054
01:26:12.479 --> 01:26:15.920
do for a long time, right, and just trying to get back on

1055
01:26:15.039 --> 01:26:18.079
my feet and get back to my
old self, which I feel like I

1056
01:26:18.199 --> 01:26:21.800
lost a bit for a few years. So I feel like doing things like

1057
01:26:23.239 --> 01:26:27.720
mission work. I enjoy giving.
I love giving, so to get back

1058
01:26:27.760 --> 01:26:30.159
to doing that, I think it
was just a step in the right direction.

1059
01:26:30.600 --> 01:26:32.600
Right. So yeah, rebuilding this
year, Yeah it was nice.

1060
01:26:33.359 --> 01:26:36.960
H I'm trying to remember what my
year words by my words for this year,

1061
01:26:39.600 --> 01:26:42.720
I can't even remember. Mine was
supposed to be self care and that

1062
01:26:43.039 --> 01:26:48.680
we started off well mid January.
I'm not sure what happened, So I'm

1063
01:26:48.680 --> 01:26:51.880
going to choose another word. Well, I'm still working on self care.

1064
01:26:54.239 --> 01:26:57.600
But I think for me for next
year, my prayer would be for wisdom.

1065
01:26:58.159 --> 01:27:01.439
I just want to be able to
make better decisions, to know where

1066
01:27:01.479 --> 01:27:05.520
to go, where to stay,
what to do. I struggle with that

1067
01:27:05.640 --> 01:27:11.560
because I'm I need to. I
guess I feel like I've heard something,

1068
01:27:11.680 --> 01:27:15.960
or I've heard God's saying goal or
whatever, and I will doubt or there

1069
01:27:15.960 --> 01:27:17.159
will be issued when I think,
well, did he actually say it?

1070
01:27:17.279 --> 01:27:20.520
Am I meant to be here?
When you come across roadblocks and things like

1071
01:27:20.600 --> 01:27:25.359
that, you wonder, well was
it God? Was it? Just me.

1072
01:27:27.520 --> 01:27:29.600
So I'd like to be, you
know, more in tune with him

1073
01:27:29.680 --> 01:27:36.800
and sort of understand his leading and
his purpose. Fear. Yeah, it's

1074
01:27:36.840 --> 01:27:40.600
funny, as I was just having
a look, I think what were my

1075
01:27:40.680 --> 01:27:44.039
worst for twenty twenty three, And
I'm looking at some of these and thinking

1076
01:27:44.479 --> 01:27:47.880
I've taked some of these through.
Actually yeah, I mean yeah, I

1077
01:27:47.960 --> 01:27:53.319
mean I think one of mine was
Connection I spill, Actually, but I

1078
01:27:53.359 --> 01:27:56.079
don't see the must be reasons why
I wrote all these other connection change,

1079
01:27:56.600 --> 01:28:01.600
strength and breakthrough lessons, Creations,
health, and power. Maybe the focus

1080
01:28:01.680 --> 01:28:05.319
is but I think there's probably a
lot that I could probably do more on

1081
01:28:05.439 --> 01:28:09.079
this. And I think if I'm
thinking about for twenty twenty four, I

1082
01:28:09.119 --> 01:28:15.479
think it would be definitely kind of
refreshing, as in refreshed starting something again

1083
01:28:15.840 --> 01:28:17.800
and really action. I think this
year for me, there's been a lot

1084
01:28:17.880 --> 01:28:21.840
that's kind of felt like I've not
been able to achieve things, got things

1085
01:28:21.920 --> 01:28:26.760
done, been able to move forward
on stuff. For me, it's been

1086
01:28:26.840 --> 01:28:30.960
quite a tough year. But I
think it's actually I suppose when you sometimes

1087
01:28:30.000 --> 01:28:33.720
you go through stuff, you may
solutions may come your ways or just different

1088
01:28:33.760 --> 01:28:36.800
ways of doing things. And I
think sometimes action just needs to be you

1089
01:28:36.960 --> 01:28:41.279
just have to do it, you
know, not that when I'm promote particular

1090
01:28:41.359 --> 01:28:45.039
sports brand, but just do it
and just yeah and just going for it

1091
01:28:45.159 --> 01:28:46.439
because in some ways, what if
you got to lose kind of things.

1092
01:28:46.520 --> 01:28:58.840
So we try to wonderful SLC.
Yes Charlie, oh Charlie, love to

1093
01:28:58.880 --> 01:29:02.119
see you. Oh so yes,
so yeah, so this is that's just

1094
01:29:02.199 --> 01:29:04.159
kind of a thing that I kind
of I'm trying to think the way I

1095
01:29:04.159 --> 01:29:08.680
came across, but having a word
or something to focus on for the year,

1096
01:29:09.399 --> 01:29:15.319
switch that out to our Instagram family
family. Yeah, that's the word.

1097
01:29:15.800 --> 01:29:18.960
What's your word for twenty twenty four
or your word for twenty twenty three?

1098
01:29:19.199 --> 01:29:24.760
Yes, yeah, let us know, And this could be something that

1099
01:29:24.840 --> 01:29:27.479
we'd love to be hearing throughout the
whole of the year because I guess,

1100
01:29:27.720 --> 01:29:30.479
depending what you're going through, that
word may change. And I was like

1101
01:29:30.520 --> 01:29:31.840
the idea of kind of you may
set something at the beginning of the year.

1102
01:29:32.880 --> 01:29:38.319
I'm not necessarily necessarily one for resolutions, et cetera. And I think

1103
01:29:38.319 --> 01:29:41.399
if you are going to set those, you start setting those from like September.

1104
01:29:41.680 --> 01:29:44.880
I don't think there's a year I've
ever kept to me as well.

1105
01:29:46.119 --> 01:29:48.560
But I think, you know,
if you've got because it's good to have

1106
01:29:48.680 --> 01:29:53.000
some kind of focus or kind of
you know, something to kind of work

1107
01:29:53.039 --> 01:29:56.920
towards or just something to focus and
to think about. You know, it's

1108
01:29:56.960 --> 01:30:00.399
good to write the right the vision. So yeah, definite may not get

1109
01:30:00.520 --> 01:30:05.720
there, but if you're sort of
reach for it, yeah, yes,

1110
01:30:06.800 --> 01:30:10.520
And I think ultimately as well,
Yeah, and I think answer it's being

1111
01:30:10.520 --> 01:30:13.760
as well as well just trying to
get closer to God as well, you

1112
01:30:13.880 --> 01:30:16.239
know, and just kind of getting
close to God in a different kind of

1113
01:30:16.279 --> 01:30:18.399
way because sometimes you kind of think, you know, you go to church,

1114
01:30:18.840 --> 01:30:21.199
you pray, you worship, all
those kind of things, but how

1115
01:30:21.239 --> 01:30:25.600
can I do that differently? How
can I can make those connections with Him

1116
01:30:25.680 --> 01:30:29.479
differently? So I may find myself
going on prayer walks or just you know,

1117
01:30:29.600 --> 01:30:32.199
kind of you able to talk to
somebody or having those kind of discussions

1118
01:30:32.239 --> 01:30:36.279
and what have you. So and
let's put the question out to all of

1119
01:30:36.359 --> 01:30:41.600
Ouriston's studio at Adventist Radio dot London, or you can text eight triple to

1120
01:30:41.760 --> 01:30:45.760
eight hope and then your message or
what's up to you're seven four five nine

1121
01:30:45.880 --> 01:30:48.880
six four two, eight, nine
eight. What is your word that sums

1122
01:30:48.960 --> 01:30:54.840
up twenty twenty three or your word
for twenty twenty four. Yes, do

1123
01:30:55.039 --> 01:31:00.000
let us know. No. As
much as some of the things that we've

1124
01:31:00.039 --> 01:31:02.359
been talking about throughout this year have
been really positive, there have been also

1125
01:31:02.479 --> 01:31:09.000
some kind of quite tough topics that
we have covered over the last I think

1126
01:31:09.079 --> 01:31:13.920
over last month, and sadly,
you know, it's it's not a new

1127
01:31:13.960 --> 01:31:16.399
phenomenon in any shape or form,
but the kind of scourge and I'm going

1128
01:31:16.439 --> 01:31:21.800
to use that word of gun and
knife crime and you know the impact out

1129
01:31:21.800 --> 01:31:26.840
of that will have on families,
that that's had on families and families,

1130
01:31:27.000 --> 01:31:30.720
communities, what have new churches?
You know, there's you know they've been

1131
01:31:31.560 --> 01:31:34.760
I don't know what the I don't
want to think what the number is because

1132
01:31:34.800 --> 01:31:38.239
you know, when you think,
look at the news they'll talk about and

1133
01:31:38.279 --> 01:31:40.760
I'm sure there'll be a report at
some point to sort of say, you

1134
01:31:40.840 --> 01:31:44.279
know, how many people have been
lost to knife crime? Young, old,

1135
01:31:44.439 --> 01:31:46.560
in between. It's not necessarily in
the ties, I think when I

1136
01:31:46.680 --> 01:31:49.960
stuff like that, Yeah, just
in London, I think, yes,

1137
01:31:50.319 --> 01:31:53.840
so too many, one, too
many? Yeah. So again, you

1138
01:31:53.880 --> 01:31:58.039
know, we've spoken about that at
various points throughout talking point, We've had

1139
01:31:58.119 --> 01:32:00.039
various people come on and speak and
I know, Zen, yeah you did.

1140
01:32:00.680 --> 01:32:04.199
I was having technical difficulties on that
day. So Zanya held the thought

1141
01:32:04.279 --> 01:32:10.199
down on that one with the discussion
with par and so Sidnya, tell me

1142
01:32:10.239 --> 01:32:12.880
a little bit about Yeah, me
a little bit about how that came about

1143
01:32:12.920 --> 01:32:18.840
as well. Sadly it was a
visual that I met Fara and one of

1144
01:32:18.920 --> 01:32:25.920
our young persons within the church and
this is scary how it's creeping in was

1145
01:32:26.039 --> 01:32:35.399
killed recently, and we went to
the vigil and I met Sara and he

1146
01:32:35.600 --> 01:32:41.079
and a number of people are on
the front line. We spoke to Nathaniel

1147
01:32:41.159 --> 01:32:45.840
many moons ago. You know,
we've spoken on radio, not ourselves,

1148
01:32:45.920 --> 01:32:49.520
but with the Youth director, et
cetera. So a lot of people are

1149
01:32:49.600 --> 01:32:58.479
championing because and sort of raising awareness
to this really sort of cancer really within

1150
01:32:58.520 --> 01:33:01.880
our community. And I met Farren
there and I just I recognized him because

1151
01:33:01.960 --> 01:33:08.479
we had shared a clip when we
were talking life crime sort of three or

1152
01:33:08.479 --> 01:33:13.720
four episodes before for his conversation on
the BBC, and I recognized him and

1153
01:33:13.760 --> 01:33:15.239
I went over to him and I
said, you know what we do a

1154
01:33:15.319 --> 01:33:17.720
program. Would you be willing to
come on and just share what you do

1155
01:33:18.119 --> 01:33:23.159
and why you do it? And
so yeah, the circumstances wasn't ideal,

1156
01:33:23.319 --> 01:33:26.800
but it was just good to hear
how many people at that vigil were just

1157
01:33:26.920 --> 01:33:30.239
shouting and championing for change. You
know, Let's reach our young people,

1158
01:33:30.319 --> 01:33:33.800
let's teach how young people, let's
haggle on young people. Let's love our

1159
01:33:33.840 --> 01:33:39.600
young people, because what's happening in
our community is just sad, and it's

1160
01:33:39.640 --> 01:33:44.960
getting worse. It's getting i mean
more and more commonplace. And as I

1161
01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:48.319
said before, it's creeping into the
church. And so yeah, he was

1162
01:33:48.359 --> 01:33:50.560
willing, he was up for it. I'm always surprised when I reach out

1163
01:33:50.560 --> 01:33:54.520
to people, and these are people
who, like, I mean, I

1164
01:33:54.560 --> 01:33:58.479
think Saren has like seventeen thousand followers, Like, how did you even see

1165
01:33:58.520 --> 01:34:01.800
my DM? You know, I'm
just always surprised when people when you reach

1166
01:34:01.840 --> 01:34:03.760
out to people, and I think, again, it's the platform that we're

1167
01:34:03.800 --> 01:34:08.039
working from, and it's God.
Let me say that first and foremost,

1168
01:34:08.680 --> 01:34:13.600
Because everyone's responsive when I reach out
to them. You know, I don't

1169
01:34:13.640 --> 01:34:15.920
even get dare I say it as
much response from the chat for when I

1170
01:34:16.000 --> 01:34:20.199
reach out, but the community,
people, international speakers all want to come

1171
01:34:20.239 --> 01:34:24.840
on board and to share their knowledge, and that's what I love talking point

1172
01:34:24.960 --> 01:34:28.279
for. And Faran was willing to
come on. And you'll spit dicey at

1173
01:34:28.319 --> 01:34:30.760
times, because I mean, he's
a street war and he had street talk,

1174
01:34:30.920 --> 01:34:38.000
and I like far I get me
fat. But if we can't keep

1175
01:34:38.039 --> 01:34:41.439
it real, then and what are
we doing? Yeah, And so it

1176
01:34:41.600 --> 01:34:45.399
was really refreshing to hear his take
on things and to hear how he's every

1177
01:34:45.479 --> 01:34:50.640
day out there doing what he can
within the community and taking the knives off

1178
01:34:50.720 --> 01:34:55.520
the street and the guns and the
weapons. And I just want to encourage

1179
01:34:55.560 --> 01:34:58.119
people. I will share it later, but I just want to encourage people

1180
01:34:58.159 --> 01:35:00.000
to support him and all the people. We are on the front line.

1181
01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:04.600
If we can't get out there ourselves, support the work in whatever way you

1182
01:35:04.680 --> 01:35:09.840
can tangibly, you know, offering
your surfaces, giving money to the cause,

1183
01:35:10.159 --> 01:35:15.279
because every knife he takes off the
street saves how many lives we do

1184
01:35:15.439 --> 01:35:18.079
not know, we cannot know,
and it could very well save our own.

1185
01:35:18.359 --> 01:35:24.000
Sorry, I have a young boy, sixteen, and you can hear

1186
01:35:24.039 --> 01:35:26.920
the passion in my voice. This
is really really important. To me,

1187
01:35:27.399 --> 01:35:30.520
not just because I have a young
boy who's sixteen, but just because it's

1188
01:35:30.600 --> 01:35:33.880
the community that I'm a part of. And this is just really really saddening.

1189
01:35:33.960 --> 01:35:36.920
Every time I hear it, every
time I see it, I just

1190
01:35:38.800 --> 01:35:42.800
yeah, yeah, So my heart
goes out to anybody who you know has

1191
01:35:42.880 --> 01:35:46.199
been impacted and initials you. We
went to that Vigel Vi Jamain Wong sung

1192
01:35:46.239 --> 01:35:49.640
and actually today this today I saw
a clip I think I saw on LinkedIn

1193
01:35:49.920 --> 01:35:54.920
the video that he did where he'd
asked his son, who at six,

1194
01:35:56.239 --> 01:35:59.319
you know, what is what should
life been about in terms of there's been

1195
01:35:59.399 --> 01:36:01.560
some kind of stabbings in the area
at that time as well, you know,

1196
01:36:01.600 --> 01:36:04.560
and his son the way his son
answered, you know, in terms

1197
01:36:04.560 --> 01:36:08.439
of you know, for a child, you know, life should be about,

1198
01:36:08.439 --> 01:36:11.159
you know, hanging up with your
friends, enjoying life and what have

1199
01:36:11.319 --> 01:36:14.000
you. And you know, it's
so sad to then think, you know,

1200
01:36:14.159 --> 01:36:17.119
many years later, unfortunately you know, he's he lost his life in

1201
01:36:17.239 --> 01:36:20.279
that way. So my heart goes
out, you know, keeping these families

1202
01:36:20.359 --> 01:36:25.399
Germaine and your family and all those
impacted by knife crime and gun crime,

1203
01:36:25.560 --> 01:36:29.279
you know, in our prayers forever, I'm committed to doing it. I

1204
01:36:29.359 --> 01:36:31.960
know as a team we are to
forever beat that drum whenever we can.

1205
01:36:32.079 --> 01:36:36.000
Whoever is involved in knife crime and
whatever, we have've reached out to the

1206
01:36:36.119 --> 01:36:41.199
gentleman. We've got a community service
and center right next to me, Box

1207
01:36:41.319 --> 01:36:44.399
up crime. Okay. I don't
know if you've heard of it, but

1208
01:36:44.960 --> 01:36:48.079
he has various sort of hubs where
they do boxing. He teaches young people

1209
01:36:48.199 --> 01:36:51.560
boxing, okay, and I'm in
amongst that. He has a studio,

1210
01:36:51.920 --> 01:36:56.159
he has counseling services, so the
young people come in under the guise of

1211
01:36:56.239 --> 01:37:00.319
boxing and self defense, but he
just does a whole burther of other things

1212
01:37:00.359 --> 01:37:03.000
with him and one of his one
of his studios he has a picture with

1213
01:37:04.520 --> 01:37:08.760
Prince Harry and all that. So
he's got supporting, he has the ears

1214
01:37:08.760 --> 01:37:11.520
of playing him who can maybe make
a difference. And I've asked him to

1215
01:37:11.560 --> 01:37:15.920
come and he will and as I
said, whenever we can, however we

1216
01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:18.399
can, we will continue to have
these conversations and raise awareness to ye.

1217
01:37:19.159 --> 01:37:23.000
And as you said that, a
few weeks ago at Ballament's where their mends

1218
01:37:23.000 --> 01:37:25.960
menage, they had Mark Prince on
there and again you know, he's starting

1219
01:37:26.000 --> 01:37:28.840
a new project as well. And
again, you know I sort of said,

1220
01:37:28.840 --> 01:37:30.279
you know, we'd be interesting coming
on, and you know he would

1221
01:37:30.359 --> 01:37:33.640
do. I know, he's a
busy man, has a busy schedule,

1222
01:37:33.760 --> 01:37:38.000
but again, you know, willing
to share because again they're doing the work.

1223
01:37:38.319 --> 01:37:42.399
They're out there running like a mentoring
program, what have you. And

1224
01:37:42.479 --> 01:37:45.640
it's about choices as well. You
know, we want to encourage people to

1225
01:37:45.680 --> 01:37:48.800
be making smart, sensible choices.
Sometimes you get people get caught up in

1226
01:37:48.920 --> 01:37:53.279
things, but you know there's a
ways in which we can help, we

1227
01:37:53.319 --> 01:37:56.840
can influence, we can kind of
support. So definitely, you know,

1228
01:37:56.960 --> 01:37:59.439
in the new year twenty twenty four, we will definitely still be as she

1229
01:37:59.479 --> 01:38:03.640
says, then, yeah, covering
those topics it is really difficult, and

1230
01:38:03.640 --> 01:38:08.000
it's really hard because you just think, oh, how are we still here?

1231
01:38:08.439 --> 01:38:13.000
You know, when we did the
trauma conversation, when we did the

1232
01:38:13.079 --> 01:38:16.880
conversations with Mark and simple, I
mean sometimes talking point can get very heavy.

1233
01:38:17.159 --> 01:38:24.199
Yes you're here thinking, oh boy, drop the mic, But it's

1234
01:38:24.239 --> 01:38:28.279
conversations that we do have to have. Indeed, indeed I want to have

1235
01:38:28.439 --> 01:38:34.359
them indeed. So yeah, so
to change there, So we're ending on

1236
01:38:34.479 --> 01:38:38.680
that kind of a bit more of
a higher point on that. But you

1237
01:38:38.760 --> 01:38:42.199
know that just goes to show how
Talking Point really has covered a lot of

1238
01:38:42.279 --> 01:38:46.039
different topics, and you know some
of them are where it's just us talking

1239
01:38:46.159 --> 01:38:50.279
and we're sharing music. You know, both of us love music. This

1240
01:38:54.880 --> 01:38:58.680
music show afterwards, you know,
because sometimes I think, you know,

1241
01:38:58.960 --> 01:39:00.359
there's also an opportunity for to say, yeah, we're talking about a topic.

1242
01:39:00.760 --> 01:39:06.239
But for me, music can mean
so much, whether it's the word,

1243
01:39:06.279 --> 01:39:10.199
I like to sort of look at
the stories behind them, the lyrics,

1244
01:39:10.560 --> 01:39:14.560
things that are being said. You
know that can enhance create, you

1245
01:39:14.640 --> 01:39:18.279
know, an environment and emotions,
et cetera. So you know that can

1246
01:39:18.359 --> 01:39:23.279
be that's been some of our shows. Many of our shows are talking about

1247
01:39:23.399 --> 01:39:27.279
We talked about health, mental health. We had a guest on who you

1248
01:39:27.359 --> 01:39:31.640
know runs a program we're talking about
self care and she actually approached us.

1249
01:39:31.680 --> 01:39:35.560
Actually I say she, I'll get
her name in a second to you know

1250
01:39:35.680 --> 01:39:41.720
with that. We also talked about
menopause and you know that's a lot in

1251
01:39:41.760 --> 01:39:45.880
the news at the moment. I've
noted. You know, I can relate

1252
01:39:45.960 --> 01:39:47.720
to that myself. But you know, had a for me that had an

1253
01:39:47.760 --> 01:39:50.920
old friend who I hadn't seen for
years and again just by a conversation,

1254
01:39:51.439 --> 01:39:56.279
happened to talk to a friend as
a male friend at that actually who was

1255
01:39:56.359 --> 01:39:59.239
like, oh, do you know
this person? You remember this person.

1256
01:39:59.479 --> 01:40:01.159
That's what they do, that's what
they talk about. And again been able

1257
01:40:01.199 --> 01:40:04.479
to get them on to kind of
talk about that topic as well. So

1258
01:40:05.079 --> 01:40:09.560
we've kind of we've covered a lot
of things and I think you know,

1259
01:40:09.880 --> 01:40:15.079
yeah, a lady called Claire Thomas
from Nourish to Saul and actually she was

1260
01:40:15.119 --> 01:40:17.079
really great. It was really interesting
to hear her talking because she came from

1261
01:40:17.119 --> 01:40:21.479
her own personal experience of ill health
and you know, the doctors were telling

1262
01:40:21.560 --> 01:40:25.159
her that actually there's not much she
can do with the challenges that she was

1263
01:40:25.199 --> 01:40:27.239
having, and she's just like,
well, you know what, I'm a

1264
01:40:27.319 --> 01:40:30.680
Christian. I know God can help
me. And if the doctors are saying

1265
01:40:30.720 --> 01:40:33.479
they can't do much, I know
God is bigger, greater and can do

1266
01:40:33.560 --> 01:40:36.800
all these things. And you know, through her own kind of researchment that

1267
01:40:36.920 --> 01:40:41.159
she did and obviously you know she
was praying, worshiping all those things.

1268
01:40:41.600 --> 01:40:45.439
You know, she eventually found healing
and was then able to set up her

1269
01:40:45.479 --> 01:40:51.039
own practice and now sort of shares
the work that she does with other people

1270
01:40:51.119 --> 01:40:54.279
as well, you know, in
the kind of coaching, health, nutrition,

1271
01:40:54.399 --> 01:40:57.199
etc. So yeah, it was
really it was really good to hear

1272
01:40:57.239 --> 01:41:00.159
from her as well. And she
was again someone who wanted to share with

1273
01:41:00.239 --> 01:41:02.239
our listeners the work that they do
and how they can support and again make

1274
01:41:02.279 --> 01:41:05.319
a difference. So yeah, all
the time, I mean, ministry is

1275
01:41:05.319 --> 01:41:11.359
often birthed out of mistakes, out
of messes, mishaps, and yeah,

1276
01:41:11.439 --> 01:41:15.439
that's that was her story, and
it was really refreshing to hear her angle

1277
01:41:15.479 --> 01:41:17.319
on it because she's not she's not
a ventists, et cetera. Yeah,

1278
01:41:17.720 --> 01:41:21.479
and I like that about talking point
as well, that we get people are

1279
01:41:21.640 --> 01:41:25.800
right perspectives or you know, are
willing to say, you know what,

1280
01:41:25.880 --> 01:41:30.560
the church hasn't met my needs or
you know, I've had to what I

1281
01:41:30.640 --> 01:41:32.439
have, and then we can look
at how we can find solutions and how

1282
01:41:32.520 --> 01:41:38.119
we can make a difference and make
things better and make change. So it's

1283
01:41:38.159 --> 01:41:43.479
good. So twenty twenty three,
oh, it's it's been a year.

1284
01:41:44.000 --> 01:41:45.800
So what have you got planned for
twenty twenty four? I hear you all

1285
01:41:45.880 --> 01:41:49.600
asking. I hope you're asking because
we want you to stick with us.

1286
01:41:50.800 --> 01:41:55.079
There have been changes are different.
Like I said, we kind of open

1287
01:41:55.119 --> 01:41:58.560
to other people joining our team and
coming on and discussing what have you.

1288
01:41:58.720 --> 01:42:01.800
So, yeah, what have you
got planned for twenty twenty four? Ooh,

1289
01:42:02.479 --> 01:42:10.640
let's see January, We've got Allison. Yeah, she's a counselor therapist

1290
01:42:10.960 --> 01:42:14.279
and she's been I mean, we
call her an honorary member of the Talking

1291
01:42:14.359 --> 01:42:17.199
Pointing. There are a few honorary
members now and she's been a regular on

1292
01:42:17.399 --> 01:42:23.079
the program and she's promising to come
back. She did a series called Breaking

1293
01:42:24.560 --> 01:42:28.199
Big and Stronghold, Breaking Strongholds,
Thank You. She did that within her

1294
01:42:28.279 --> 01:42:31.600
own church, and I was just
so impressed with the delivery of that,

1295
01:42:31.840 --> 01:42:36.600
the message of that content of that
that have invited her to start us off

1296
01:42:36.680 --> 01:42:42.119
in twenty twenty four with the same
campaign, breaking Strongholds. So I'm really

1297
01:42:42.199 --> 01:42:46.119
looking forward to sharing with her and
sort of sharing in the content there.

1298
01:42:46.199 --> 01:42:50.159
And we know what those strongholds are
for each of us. They may be

1299
01:42:50.279 --> 01:42:55.920
different, but we know that God
can help us to break through and break

1300
01:42:56.039 --> 01:42:59.079
the chains. So yeah, looking
forward to that in January and February.

1301
01:42:59.199 --> 01:43:06.239
Pedro I used to still there.
Petrick is going to be leading, He's

1302
01:43:06.319 --> 01:43:10.760
going to be leading the charge in
February. He does a programming with the

1303
01:43:10.840 --> 01:43:17.680
lovely Tara, his wife, Heal
My Marriage, and so we've we've commissioned

1304
01:43:17.760 --> 01:43:21.720
him, yeah, because February is
usually a kind of found about love,

1305
01:43:21.880 --> 01:43:28.680
relationships, et cetera. So we've
asked him to lead in February with a

1306
01:43:29.279 --> 01:43:32.000
either a version of Heal My Marriage
or to bring Tara on. He hasn't

1307
01:43:32.039 --> 01:43:36.560
really divulged what exactly he'll do,
but it will be focused on marriages and

1308
01:43:38.239 --> 01:43:42.079
looking forward to that as well.
And then in March we may take a

1309
01:43:42.159 --> 01:43:47.199
break. That's all right, No, no March, I say. Traditionally

1310
01:43:47.319 --> 01:43:49.159
we have a bit of a formula, I guess in some ways, but

1311
01:43:49.239 --> 01:43:54.960
it's usually our Women's mom we having
starts off with International Women's Day, but

1312
01:43:55.039 --> 01:43:58.159
we like to make it a whole
month. And whilst it's not necessarily about

1313
01:43:58.199 --> 01:44:00.760
us taking over, we want to
celebrate the women within our church or in

1314
01:44:00.840 --> 01:44:05.399
our communities, and we've had some
great women on throughout the year, so

1315
01:44:05.479 --> 01:44:10.399
we want to hear more of what
they're doing. We probably get something,

1316
01:44:10.640 --> 01:44:13.399
Yeah, definitely get some of them
to come back, because many have sort

1317
01:44:13.399 --> 01:44:15.800
of you know, they're doing their
own projects there was a woman who from

1318
01:44:15.840 --> 01:44:23.800
Trinidad who joined us from Trinidad who
has a breast cancer clinic. Yes,

1319
01:44:24.399 --> 01:44:26.720
reached out to her recently and said, you know, it would love to

1320
01:44:26.800 --> 01:44:30.680
have you back. Just let us
know what's happened since what you're doing now,

1321
01:44:30.199 --> 01:44:33.800
And I think that's led the way
for us maybe looking at a revisiting

1322
01:44:34.359 --> 01:44:41.279
type or revisit type programs where we
just touch base with people who have been

1323
01:44:41.359 --> 01:44:45.079
on before and just see where they're
at now and how things are going with

1324
01:44:45.239 --> 01:44:48.359
them. And yes, that's probably
what we'll do in March, but we'll

1325
01:44:48.399 --> 01:44:54.359
probably do that periodically throughout the year, just bring people back on the topics

1326
01:44:54.399 --> 01:44:58.279
and the awareness days and so forth
that have been in the person. Obviously,

1327
01:44:58.760 --> 01:45:02.720
anybody else I keep I keep hammering
on, but anybody who wants to

1328
01:45:02.760 --> 01:45:06.640
be part of the conversation. I
find our listeners are too quiet, and

1329
01:45:06.760 --> 01:45:11.880
we've got to encourage them to be
more responsive. I know they're out there.

1330
01:45:12.119 --> 01:45:15.399
I feel they're out there, but
it can be quiet when you're over

1331
01:45:15.479 --> 01:45:18.479
here and you can't see faces and
so forth. So if you're there and

1332
01:45:18.600 --> 01:45:21.680
you've been blessed by the show,
let us know which show you've enjoyed the

1333
01:45:21.720 --> 01:45:29.640
monster which show you've caught and you've
sort of been blessed by let us know

1334
01:45:29.880 --> 01:45:31.600
and if you'd like to be part
of the panel, if you know someone

1335
01:45:31.640 --> 01:45:35.880
who might share the word, we're
looking for a fourth person. Unless past

1336
01:45:35.920 --> 01:45:42.119
Away was willing to come back past
the Away, you're still there, but

1337
01:45:42.319 --> 01:45:44.840
yeah, we're looking. It doesn't
have to be every week, it could

1338
01:45:44.840 --> 01:45:49.199
be whenever you're available. And that
leads us nicely into a Bible study this

1339
01:45:49.640 --> 01:45:53.399
campaign that we are wanting to do, because that's how it started. I

1340
01:45:53.479 --> 01:45:57.760
think we had questions come in on
different topics within the Bible and we would

1341
01:45:57.840 --> 01:46:00.399
just discuss them, and we want
to go back to that, go back

1342
01:46:00.439 --> 01:46:03.600
to basics. So maybe one month
or throughout the year we'll look at just

1343
01:46:03.760 --> 01:46:09.239
talking about or discussing a question that's
come through. So if you've got questions

1344
01:46:09.760 --> 01:46:14.199
that you want to answer, then
again send it through. It's studio at

1345
01:46:14.239 --> 01:46:17.439
Adventist Radio dot London. I believe
we have or we'll have a talking point

1346
01:46:17.560 --> 01:46:21.680
email soon. But in the meantime, you know we'll get to us if

1347
01:46:21.720 --> 01:46:27.960
you send it to studio at Adventist
Radio dot London and yeah, we'll be

1348
01:46:28.000 --> 01:46:30.560
happy to pick that up. Absolutely, definitely deffinitent. And also, as

1349
01:46:30.640 --> 01:46:33.479
you said, and we mentioned it
earlier, if you'd like the Talking Point

1350
01:46:33.520 --> 01:46:38.760
team to come to your church.
We started doing talking Point on the on

1351
01:46:38.880 --> 01:46:45.199
the road where you know we'd come
and join your AY programs. Do get

1352
01:46:45.239 --> 01:46:46.760
in touch with us about that as
well, because again, you know,

1353
01:46:46.960 --> 01:46:51.279
again going into the churches hearing what's
being discussed, what are the challenges that

1354
01:46:51.359 --> 01:46:55.680
you may be facing, or what's
the hot topic that you're talking about,

1355
01:46:56.479 --> 01:47:00.680
you know, it gives us a
good perspective of what's happening within your churches,

1356
01:47:00.279 --> 01:47:02.880
what's been talked about, and what
kind of things we want to share

1357
01:47:02.920 --> 01:47:05.720
and get out there as well.
So and Theise of Days, I think

1358
01:47:05.760 --> 01:47:11.039
we did Colchester and that was fabulous. It's one of my favorite shows.

1359
01:47:11.159 --> 01:47:15.199
Me I'm croaking in it and I
apologize if you listen on Spreaker you'll hear

1360
01:47:15.279 --> 01:47:20.239
me for you. It was lovely. It was wonderful to be part of

1361
01:47:20.279 --> 01:47:24.079
the church service there. So I
will say, I mean, you know,

1362
01:47:24.119 --> 01:47:27.359
I'm a music person. If you're
doing Music Days and you want us

1363
01:47:27.439 --> 01:47:30.680
to host or be part of it, absolutely absolutely. It had such a

1364
01:47:30.800 --> 01:47:35.520
lovely time in Colchester, and I'm
saying decent greetings to the Colchester Church.

1365
01:47:35.880 --> 01:47:43.039
Indeed, indeed, oh, twenty
twenty three, Yes, so twenty twenty

1366
01:47:43.079 --> 01:47:47.039
four years around the corner. It
is God willing, we'll make it there,

1367
01:47:47.560 --> 01:47:50.640
you know. So as so,
coming to the end of our show,

1368
01:47:51.920 --> 01:47:55.439
I guess what do we want to
kind of leave with our listeners in

1369
01:47:55.560 --> 01:48:00.680
terms of a final thought in terms
of whether what we've thought of twenty twenty

1370
01:48:00.720 --> 01:48:03.840
three, what's been our kind of
inspiration motivation for the things that we've done,

1371
01:48:04.960 --> 01:48:09.520
something that we can kind of share
if you're kind of thinking of you.

1372
01:48:09.640 --> 01:48:11.840
We've talked a little bit about some
of our highlights, some of the

1373
01:48:11.840 --> 01:48:15.279
things that we've done for the show, and our own kind of work that

1374
01:48:15.359 --> 01:48:19.119
we're doing. Yeah, what can
we What would be your kind of final

1375
01:48:19.279 --> 01:48:25.600
thought in terms of going into twenty
twenty four. I hadn't prepared a final

1376
01:48:25.720 --> 01:48:30.239
thought. I feel like what's coming
to mind now is that we need to

1377
01:48:30.479 --> 01:48:36.039
go beyond talking. Now. That's
something we've spoken about here and there.

1378
01:48:38.560 --> 01:48:43.880
But the conversation is excellent, But
the conversation is the starting point. Yeah,

1379
01:48:44.439 --> 01:48:47.199
And I don't know if we will
have the bandwidth or the capability to

1380
01:48:47.319 --> 01:48:51.800
become more active. But I'm thinking
workshops, I'm thinking on the road stuff,

1381
01:48:53.840 --> 01:48:57.159
just to sort of get more hands
on. That would be my vision

1382
01:48:57.279 --> 01:49:00.920
for talking point moving forward. We
talk talk about a lot of really good

1383
01:49:01.000 --> 01:49:04.159
stuff, and I think generally when
we are done talking, we've got a

1384
01:49:04.199 --> 01:49:09.039
few action points, a few things
that could be done to solve the issue.

1385
01:49:10.640 --> 01:49:12.920
What we need to now do is
to follow us through and see if

1386
01:49:12.960 --> 01:49:16.640
we can help to implement or be
part of the process in implementing some of

1387
01:49:16.720 --> 01:49:20.560
the changes, or just like you
said, take the discussion out into the

1388
01:49:20.600 --> 01:49:25.000
community, out in the church and
see where we can we can be more

1389
01:49:25.479 --> 01:49:29.960
helpful. Okay, So lots of
talk and plenty of action. Yes,

1390
01:49:30.479 --> 01:49:35.319
that's it. That's it. That's
our next tag. But and personally,

1391
01:49:36.119 --> 01:49:42.399
as I said before, my prayer
for next year is wisdom. Okay.

1392
01:49:43.079 --> 01:49:48.800
I think that's the basis on which
all other blessings will flow. Josephine,

1393
01:49:49.560 --> 01:49:59.880
think from yourself as a honorary talking
point. The honorary well, I won't

1394
01:49:59.920 --> 01:50:03.039
for in terms of just something thinks. Okay, it's our final thoughts as

1395
01:50:04.800 --> 01:50:10.720
just like let's move through the next
few days next year, like with confidence,

1396
01:50:10.840 --> 01:50:14.960
like God confidence, because sometimes he
has things ready and waiting for us,

1397
01:50:15.000 --> 01:50:17.760
and we're just a bit nervous or
shy to step into it. But

1398
01:50:17.840 --> 01:50:20.800
it's always better just to walk away. He's going. So, yeah,

1399
01:50:29.279 --> 01:50:34.920
no, I realized that. Yeah, I guess it's just I just think

1400
01:50:34.960 --> 01:50:38.600
it's just whole. I think I
think it's just I would just be encouraging

1401
01:50:38.600 --> 01:50:43.319
people to hold on, you know, And I'd say that in the good

1402
01:50:43.359 --> 01:50:46.039
and the bad times, because sometimes
you know, when things are going good,

1403
01:50:46.359 --> 01:50:51.039
we sometimes maybe even slightly forget why
it's so good and how it's so

1404
01:50:51.159 --> 01:50:55.319
good. But sometimes you need to
hold on to some of those those moments

1405
01:50:55.399 --> 01:50:58.840
and kind of celebrate those and recognize
those because and I think, Jos when

1406
01:50:58.840 --> 01:51:00.760
you mentioned this earlier, that's sometimes
it's very easy for us to really kind

1407
01:51:00.800 --> 01:51:03.439
of focus on all the negative things. That's all we talk about, so

1408
01:51:03.600 --> 01:51:08.039
we kind of remember and you know, sometimes but if somebody asks you how

1409
01:51:08.079 --> 01:51:10.680
you are, I think to myself, how many times we I should say,

1410
01:51:10.680 --> 01:51:13.119
you know what, I'm great,
I've had a fantastic week, what

1411
01:51:13.239 --> 01:51:15.760
have you? You know, I'd
love that, But it's very easy for

1412
01:51:15.840 --> 01:51:17.000
us then to just say, oh, you know this happened, This happened,

1413
01:51:17.039 --> 01:51:23.920
This happen happened. So hold on
to the good times and then just

1414
01:51:24.000 --> 01:51:27.840
hold on to again. Going back
to my verse, hold onto God's hand

1415
01:51:28.920 --> 01:51:32.000
and just you know, Summer right
says, you know, is not We're

1416
01:51:32.039 --> 01:51:38.239
not given more than we can bear. It doesn't feel like that many times.

1417
01:51:38.600 --> 01:51:42.760
But you know, we have got
a hopefully and I say, God,

1418
01:51:42.800 --> 01:51:45.800
Willie, We've got a bright future
with him. We've heard the kind

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of term he's coming soon for many
many years, many many years, but

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actually it really feels like he really
is now when you see everything happening.

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We read about this should when we
do this kind of you look at Prophecy,

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01:51:59.600 --> 01:52:04.279
read through Danual actually them things are
becoming realer and realer. So it

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really is to kind of hold on
and kind of just know where you are.

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And as you said, Josephine,
you know the God confidence, because

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there's going to be a point where
we're going to have to really stand for

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that. You know, we're seeing
people around the world who are being persecuted,

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who are being you know, not
able to worship freely, et cetera.

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I recently went to Hong Kong and
actually and I met when the church

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is there. I met a guy
who's from China, did a lot of

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work in China and was in prison
for about twenty five thirty years for preaching,

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and I thought, wow, twenty
five years is a long time,

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you know, would we be willing
exactly? So my encouragement would be too,

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hold on and yeah, keep going
and yeah, continue with the faith

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and yeah. I think for me, in terms of encouraging the listeners,

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it would be to go back to
my original point about and yours about support.

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Yes, there's a saying that you
could be so heavenly minded that you're

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not earthly good. And our focus, yes, is heaven and our soon

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returning King. But we've got to
get through. We've got to get through

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the day by day, and we
pray, we seek his help, but

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sometimes he's saying to look outsewhere,
or he's providing us with additional support,

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and we ignore it. We think
we're strong or we're tough, for we

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shouldn't or we can't. My message
to because we are struggling with so many

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different issues, from mental health issues
to financial lists, to relational issues,

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and I can put my hand up
for every last one of them. To

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some degree, we really need to
learn how to say I need help.

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Yeah. And with that final words
on that, you know, thank you

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all for being with us, sticking
with us throughout twenty twenty three on Talking

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01:54:00.680 --> 01:54:06.520
Point, I hope you have been
blessed, You've been informed, encouraged,

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01:54:06.640 --> 01:54:11.319
you've learnt something. You may be
laughed along with us sometimes, you know,

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01:54:11.720 --> 01:54:14.079
with there is a banter, they're
the jokes there as well where we're

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01:54:14.079 --> 01:54:16.279
trying to keep it real. But
ultimately we hope that you have been blessed

1452
01:54:16.279 --> 01:54:19.399
and you can take it away and
share that. Do check us out on

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01:54:19.520 --> 01:54:25.920
spreaker dot com. Just search for
Advantage Radio London and Talking Point. You'll

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01:54:25.920 --> 01:54:30.640
find the shows there and do join
us next year twenty twenty four, wishing

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01:54:30.680 --> 01:54:34.800
you all blessed New Year when it
comes, and the rest of the enjoy

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01:54:34.840 --> 01:54:39.800
the rest of the festive season.
We're going to close with a prayer when

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our shows are finish it with mind
praying for us, and then we'll end

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01:54:43.479 --> 01:54:46.359
with a track from James Fortune and
Worship the King. Let us pray,

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01:54:47.039 --> 01:54:51.479
dear lorda thank you for bringing us
together today. Lord you've seen it fit

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to bring us through this year and
it's truly something we cannot take for granted,

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01:54:56.119 --> 01:54:59.600
no matter our age, no matter
our circumstances. So we just bless

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01:54:59.680 --> 01:55:03.640
your name for that. During the
season, I pray we really stick close

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to you and understand the true reason
or the best that we can make out

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01:55:10.600 --> 01:55:15.079
of this season. Let us give, let us have peace in you,

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01:55:15.319 --> 01:55:18.600
Let us draw closer to You at
this time and spend time with our loved

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01:55:18.640 --> 01:55:24.199
ones. I thank you for the
Talking Point Team and this show, Lord,

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01:55:24.279 --> 01:55:28.560
where they've been able to open up
topics sometimes we shy away from,

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Lord, and I pray that it
will continue and grow as a show.

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01:55:32.840 --> 01:55:38.640
Lord. May we reach needs,
may we encourage, May we inform,

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maybe just have a spirit of authenticity
in this Christian walk where we can learn

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and grow from one another. So
bless each member of the Talking Point team

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and all our listeners, the aar
Our family, Lord for their encouragement for

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01:55:51.520 --> 01:55:56.000
their words as well. Bless and
keep us as we go through the night.

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In your name, we pray,
Amen, thank you once again for

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01:56:00.399 --> 01:56:03.800
joining us on Talking Point. Enjoy
the rest of this week. Do oh

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01:56:04.319 --> 01:56:09.520
before I forget, Josephine, there's
a special thing happening tomorrow morning. Ready

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01:56:09.520 --> 01:56:14.720
to mention at the beginning. Do
we have the details of the Arl Christmas

1478
01:56:14.800 --> 01:56:19.720
Party. So from ten wrong time, from nine am till twelve pm,

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01:56:20.520 --> 01:56:25.399
we will be in studio and we
are welcoming you guys to either come into

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01:56:25.479 --> 01:56:30.800
studio. So that's twenty five Saint
John's Road, Watford, w D seventeen

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01:56:30.239 --> 01:56:35.319
one p set one PZ so W
seventeen one p Z So you can join

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01:56:35.399 --> 01:56:42.039
us in studio. We have snacks
and drinks and good vibes, or you

1483
01:56:42.159 --> 01:56:45.560
can join us on zoom if you
can't make it in and the zoom id

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01:56:45.880 --> 01:56:51.199
is seven nine to one nine six
one three eight five five. That's seven

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01:56:51.319 --> 01:56:57.520
nine one nine six one three eight
five five. If you didn't get that

1486
01:56:57.600 --> 01:57:00.319
and want it written down, just
drop us a message or an email,

1487
01:57:00.760 --> 01:57:04.359
or you can check out our Instagram
and Facebook page and the poster is up

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01:57:04.399 --> 01:57:09.720
there. We'll love to have you
with us. Cool and thank you Josephine

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01:57:09.760 --> 01:57:14.399
for that and Senia. Anything happening
after talking point, Yes, I do

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01:57:14.560 --> 01:57:17.880
believe Saturday Night Praise will be next
time, so do stick with us.

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01:57:18.560 --> 01:57:24.000
So it's going to be taking it
to a couple more hours of music and

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01:57:24.159 --> 01:57:28.279
festivities. So thank you again for
joining us on talking point. So it's

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01:57:28.319 --> 01:57:30.680
good night from Angela, good night
from Zenia, Happy New Year when it

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01:57:30.760 --> 01:57:34.319
comes, and Josephine, and we'll
see you next year. We're hoping to

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01:57:34.319 --> 01:57:38.640
start back on the sixth of January, so enjoy the rest of the week,

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01:57:39.159 --> 01:57:42.039
join the party if you can tomorrow, and we'll see you next year.

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01:57:42.399 --> 01:57:47.680
And we're going to end with James
Fortune Worship the Kig good Night from

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US Adventist Radio London. Inspiration for
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