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What is Krackwack and felt Dermo nuclear
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with Well, we'll hopefully be a
fairly expedited intro before we get to some

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Chicago bulls talk with Jason Patt from
the Cash Considerations podcast. It was a

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really good conversation with him. I
can go through the whole spiel. Please,

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clamorings for us to tackle some more
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I am very focused on getting these
team look aheads done as efficiently as possible.

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So I'm not going I'm already a
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but I don't want them just you
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As we're getting towards opening nights,
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as possible. There will be a
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we're just going five six podcasts a
week, So please well, Grant,

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I will do sort of a news
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actually league wide pods as OPR twenty
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at the end of next week or
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We have one of them recorded and
we need to do another one.

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Maybe we'll tackle some news updates before
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did want to hit especially after reading
a piece from Katie Heindel about how people

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with platforms not saying something is kind
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I didn't want to record something in
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I didn't want it to sound like
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But if you're listening to the intro, I think you can understand that

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this is not our guest that is
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that is endorsing anything I'm saying,
although what I'm saying should not really be

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controversial. Kevin Porter Jr. Posted
bail is now charged with two felonies for

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assaulting Kaiser Gondrazik his girlfriend, and
she is a former WMBA player. She

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spent the twenty twenty one season with
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at Michigan and then West Virginia.
He is charged with felony. This is

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Kevin Porter Junior has charged with felony
assault and strangulation. According to the criminal

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complaint. I don't want to go
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out there, but he repeatedly struck
her in the face with a close fist,

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causing a laceration above her right eye
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face. He only stopped, apparently
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blood. The NYU land Gone I
think it's pronounced medical center said that she

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had a fractured vertebrae in her neck, which is just incredibly serious. And

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that's where we're at with this is
Kevin Porter Junior in trouble again. He

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posted bill seventy five thousand dollars.
I believe he has to appear. This

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happened in Manhattan. He will have
to appear in court on October sixteenth is

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the date. I believe the only
reaction that we need to have is fuck

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him, fuck this guy, fuck
this It is awful. That's it.

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That's the end of their reaction.
And you want to get into the details

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of discipline. How is Kaiser Gondrezick
doing. That's the only thing, and

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first of all, that's the only
person that really truly matters, and all

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this is her well being. How
she's doing this sounds like an incredibly scary

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incident, and I'm so this is
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not just fans of the game,
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see some of the responses from fans. And I will say I haven't or

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I actually won't say that, But
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been most troubling is it comes from
these just fan podcasts. And I don't

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have a problem with fan podcasts.
We have fans of teams on this podcast,

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because I think that fan cover is
super hyper valuable. But the people

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that are only going to stand for
their team that are never going to actually

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provide and you should be able as
a fan to take back. And if

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you want to call it objective of
analysis, analysis have objectively subjective analysis where

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you can call out bad things and
say you know what, this sucks.

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Fuck this guy. He shouldn't be
doing this. I don't care about what

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Kevin Porter Junior is going to what
he could have done this season. I

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don't care about his contract. And
also by me saying that that's not let's

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not heroicize, saying that that should
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we shouldn't be talking about it.
Even in the wake of the report from

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Sham Sarania that from the Athletic that
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him. Yeah, you know what, I have a reaction to that.

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It's they're looking to trade him.
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that. And the reaction is that's
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kind of like, oh, well, if they're doing this, I understand,

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like, let's go into this aspect
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most serious part of this, clearly, but because this report out, like

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here's my reaction, why they would
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It's just so uncomfortable even reading that, Like there should be a point

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where we can just say he's being
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the vertebrae of Kaiser Gondrezick because his
girlfriend, Like, this is just domestic

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violence and we are so and I'm
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to make it clear, is we
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where it's. Oh, it's the
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come out that the Rockets are trying
to trade him, so let's analyze it

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through that vein. No, we
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they should just wave him, like
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that he should be waived. It
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pawn off with some mistake on their
end, clearly on another team, and

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I don't even know how I feel
about the other team, which whoever acquires

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him will probably waive him. But
if you're gonna capitalize in any way on

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domestic violence, that's grimy to me. So you shouldn't know. You shouldn't

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be trading for him if you're gonna
just because you're the team that waves him

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because you got draft picks for him, or like you're acquiring him as I

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guess an expiring contractor you're gonna view
it the way that his contract is structured,

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even I'm talking about this now.
It shouldn't fucking matter. Just waive

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him. And yes, per the
NBA's collective Bargaining Agreement, the Rockets can't

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actually discipline Kevin Porter Junior until I
believe the league completes their investigation. Adam

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Silver said that they were aware of
the details. That's really basically all he

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could say. And he said they
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They're beyond fucking horrific. But they
can still waive him. If you

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can trade him, you can waive
him. And I don't care about the

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transactional aspect of this, and or
I should say, you know what,

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maybe I am wired to care because
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hope we can just get to a
point where the reaction can be No,

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Dan doesn't, mister white Mail.
Sis Mail comes on here and says,

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for five minutes, Yeah, this
Kevin Porter Junior thing is is horrific and

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that's the only reaction we should have. And then he's going to go into

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a long monologue about why we shouldn't
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aspect of it, Like the fact
that I'm even doing this is pretty dumb

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on my end, but I did
want to make sure that we commented on

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it. I hope Kaiser Gondrezik is
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be completed, but the details that
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And so the only two things I
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Junior should just be if he can't
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because of the CBA, like he
should be absolutely waive, like get him

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off this team, get him away
from this team. He's already not expected

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to report to training camp. Waive
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Actually be proactive rather than reactive.
We're deflective when you're looking at trying

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to compensate a team to acquire his
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I understand the NBA is a business, and you can't hold a business to

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a higher standard relative to other businesses. It's just so tiring, and I

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feel not for myself, clearly,
I just feel for women who are fans

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of the game, who are covering
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We have to see the discourse,
even if it's in corners of the

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internet where we really even shouldn't care
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just has to suck. And I
would highly recommend Katie Hindel's piece over Basketball

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Feelings. She was on the podcast
Basketball Feelings dot Com. We have a

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bunch of listeners that subscribed once they
heard it. We super appreciated that.

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Go over there, check out the
piece. It's on her It's on her

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Twitter feed, I believe. But
Basketball Feelings dot Com will be able to

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defind it. And that's just in
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a better job of one, like, let's acknowledge this even though we haven't.

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You know, the excuse is what
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If something like this happens, we
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about the Kid Jones video and we
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Jones stuff like, we should be
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it should just be coming on to
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good, bright eyed segue to just
say, let's go talk about basketball

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with Jason Patt of the Cash Considerations
podcast as we go Deep and Long on

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the twenty twenty three two twenty four
Chicago Bulls. I really hope you enjoyed

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this episode. What is kracklacking?
Fellow thermonuclear afers, I am Dan Pavalley

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coming at you without my certified fantabulous
co host, Grant Us, but I

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am super excited and grateful to once
again be joined by Jason pat the managing

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editor for Clutch Points. He's also
the co host of the Cash Considerations podcast,

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the podcast about the Chicago Bulls.
Follow him on Twitter at Bulls Underscore

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This is year three of Jason and
I talking about the Chicago Bulls.

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But first I have to ask Jason, how the heck are you doing.

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I'm doing great. It's obviously a
kind of a dead time in the NBA

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season. We got our off season. I guess we have had the Feeble

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World Cup, but Bulls weren't that
involved. I guess Boch Booch was playing

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there and Carl Carl Jones was killing
it for South Sedan and so cool stuff

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for him. But otherwise, yeah, I'm just I guess I'm getting excited

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for the season, if you can
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going on lately. But I am
excited. I mean, we got like

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a month to month or so till
training camp. I'm looking forward again because

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this part of the year is truly
brutal, So looking forward to actual games

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starting again pretty soon here. So
how does it work? Will they retire

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Daniel Tyson's jersey number now that he's
a FIBA World champ and used to play

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for Chicago or Bulls legend Daniel Daniels
has destroying Team USA. Uh, they

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really shouldn't tie. He was.
He was solid for the Bulls in like

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the twenty games he played for them. Uh, kudos to him for just

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destroying the embarrassing Team USA frontline.
Oh yeah, man, the Jaren Jackson

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junior commentary went off the rails.
Oh my god. I will say I've

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said STOs. I can't bring myself
to care. But I'm just so like,

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I guess over stand by the NBA
coverage that I have to do that,

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just like I can't bring myself to
muster strong feelings about what happens during

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saying, I made some jokes,
made some fun of them for a little

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bit, But I mean, I
wasn't watching like that, No Ali Pop

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in Champagne. That was the Chicago
Bulls. Though, I think they had

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an interesting off season in the sense
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I think most of the discourse is
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up and starting over. So when
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do you think that they actually missed
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rebuild or do they deserve to be
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for the franchise. So, like, it is such a weird spot with

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the Bulls because especially with Alonso stuff
going on and he's going to miss another

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season, Because what if they first
put the team together with Alonzo in place

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a couple of summers agoing like they
were good for about sixty games or so,

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and like they competitive, they were
on top of the East, and

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then he got hurt and the last
quarter of the year fell apart, and

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then last year was just aggressively mediocre
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and they have just haven't done much, Like they haven't changed the roster much,

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and this offseason they makes some small
but it was like, like all

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the moves they made this offseason were
like pretty good and like defensible. Don't

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love the Bouche contract, three years
sixty full of guaranteed, Like Booch is

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still pretty good. Like I'm not
gonna like like I don't want to scapegoad

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Booch, but like three years sixty
is a bit much for whatever, thirty

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three year old center who is still
good and good productive player, but like

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is he that good? Is he
when he's thirty five? Like is that

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going to be a good deal given
where the team is at right now?

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Skeptical but whatever, It's not like
it's a damaging, like horrific contract.

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It's probably fine. I don't love
it, but whatever, but like it

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is better than the three years and
eighty million I thought it was initially reported

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for what I thought they signed him
too. So three years sixty a steel

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if you frame it that, three
years eighty would have been real rough.

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But yeah, so like that was
finally the Kobe White extension perfectly perfectly fine.

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Like Kobe played pretty well towards the
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that's good. The IO thing was
maybe a bit much for him, given

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he kind of regressed last season,
but again like three years twenty one million,

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thought might he might be back on
the qualifying offer and then maybe hits

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free to see again. But three
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But again is that gonna be super
damaging? Probably not. And then

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like the Javon Carter move was great, Tory drug solid signing, Like those

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like looking at given what they needed. They need more three point shooting,

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Tory Krug gives him a little more
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and he just coming off a career
high three point shooting. So those moves

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like all defensible in terms of like
did they miss the opportunity to blow it

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up? I mean, I think
you can argue that they certainly didn't,

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that they could have if they really
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like they are have an appetite for
a rebuild. You could argue they should

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have could have done it before the
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the last deadline. Zach and I
know we'll talk more about this in a

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bit, Like Zach, there were
trade rumors this offseason, that doesn't seem

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like anything got close. They're asking
for a lot rightfully, and it just

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doesn't seem like the market is there
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vood stuff, like, I think
you could have looked into maybe moving a

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couple of these guys, maybe they'll
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Maybe try to go with like Zach
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where that goes. Maybe you do
like a stealth tank is like Zach is

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really good and again we'll talk about
Zach Moore later, but like he's never

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really like can't really like lead a
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like, if you just kind of
go like that route, maybe they could

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have been entertainingly bad and maybe gotten
a high draft pick. But they didn't.

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And it seems like clearly the goal
the goal of this franchise is to

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stay competitive enough, put butts in
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and then maybe get lucky with the
superstar like asking out and wanting to come

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here, although that like never works. Maybe you're able to trade for guy,

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but they don't have many trade assets. I don't know which site was

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it the other Day that had said
the Bulls had the worst trade assets in

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the NBA. They might have been
hoop side. I can't remember, but

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I know like there's been like some
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with the trade assets. Someone did
a ranking of like the all like the

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gms, and like AK was like
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Like it's not a great spot to
be right now, you could I

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think you could argue that you could
commend them for trying not just like get

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going the I think it's easy to
decide, all right, we're gonna blow

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it up. We're just gonna trade
everybody and then build over. And then

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obviously the hard part is actually building
it backup, not just going the straight

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tank rout and trying to put a
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the problem is last season they were
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play in despite the alleged talent on
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And now what's the defense from Rosen
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Yes, of course, yes,
the reason they won the first playing

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game was because the Dard Rosen.
They were getting smoked until that her and

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zach Lavine kind of turned the tide
there. But yeah, so like there's

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in a weird spot where they have
some pretty good players, but just like

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it has not come together and the
Lonzo thing just totally ruined it. They've

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sunk so much capital draft capital into
putting the score together, they're still out

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Like the Spurs pick that they got
Tamar four and just yeah, there's their

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asset basis is not that great,
like young player wise, like they have

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some decent young players, but no, like real blue chippers at this point.

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Whatever you think of Patrick Williams,
like like he's a nice, nice

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young player, but again he's not
really like a blue chip guy right now,

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even though he was number four pick. I mean he's going into year

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four now, it's like a lot
to prove there. So like they're just

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kind of in this weird spot and
like they're figuring, let's try to be

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competitive. Maybe that'll be enough.
Maybe they'll be better this year and maybe

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they can use that as a stepping
point to go forward and maybe they get

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a super Maybe Jannis is talking about
maybe leaving the Bucks. Not really,

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he's obviously not. He's just kind
of putting pressure on them to be good,

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but maybe they think gonna get snag
Yannis in the next couple of years

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and he's just gonna come down the
highway a couple of hours to Chicago,

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but obviously should not be counting on
any of that. So so yeah,

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so we'll see. It's kind of
a weird spot to be and I do

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think the team should be okay.
I think they should be better than they

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were last year, but you never
know. With the Chicago Balls, I've

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tried to get out of the business
of criticizing teams for what they don't do

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necessarily just because it diverges from what
I would do. In this case,

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however, I feel like they've leaned
too much on like sort of the look

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at what we were with Lonzo when
Lonzo's just like, you can't factor him

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in anymore. It's sad, it
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And it does feel like The two
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it does feel like they miss an
opportunity just because no one else like really

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tried to tear it down. And
when you look at the trade market right

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now, where nothing's happening with Dame
or James Harden or Siakam like if you

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had de Rosa or Lavine on there. Those are real like gets that teams

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would give you things. And so
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You couldn't moved on from him,
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It felt like a natural pivot point. However, if they didn't do that,

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that's fine. They didn't make a
single bad contract. The Foots deal

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might be a little rich, then
the salary cap is going up. Worst

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case scenario, that deal's fine this
year. You have some nice matching fodder

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over the next couple of years.
In trades, what really gets me is

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like they're going to duck the tax
again. I think has them like three

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hundred thousand into it. And if
we set the over under on like you

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know, are they going to use
the disabled player exception that they got for

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Alonzo Ball And it's just no,
they could, Like I think there will

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be teams I'll be willing to send
someone into that, but they won't.

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that, but they still have that. They still have like half their mid

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level, they still have their bi
annual. Of course, again, they

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can't use all of that because they
do have the hard cap form using part

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of their mid level on Chevon Carter, but still there they have like ten

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nine to ten million of wiggle room
if they were actually willing to go into

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the text and like use it for
whatever a trade with the DP. Again,

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they still have that part of that
mid level. Again there's now there's

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really not many guys left on the
board. But but yeah, they basically

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did like the cheapest thing they could
possibly do with these contracts. Just basically

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yeah, they were basically right at
the tax line. And again, it

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doesn't matter where they are at now. They just gotta get under by the

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end of the year. And you
would assume that that's going to be the

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case given just how close they are, that you could dump some type of

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salary super easily down the road and
probably get under. So uh yeah,

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the big things just yeah, you
made the point about this, like the

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they talked themselves into the belief about
like the team with Lonzo and you can't

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believe in that. And then the
problem with that is that they just like

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haven't done that much, Like they
finally made a few editions here, but

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they just haven't done enough to the
compliment and supplement the talent they have over

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the last couple of years they made
and they had the big off season and

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then it was like three transaction periods
of like nothing, like no trade the

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two it was when they were good
two seasons ago. Their trade deadline move

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was signing Tristan Thompson off the waiver
wire like nothing, and then like the

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off season the next offseason after that, it was that year, right,

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that was what they make sure.
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Andre Drummond and Gore and Dragons,
which is like Dragons was good for like

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a month and then he ended up
leaving. Drummond was fine, Drumon's a

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fine backup center, totally fine move, but just like just like the bare

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minimum additions. So it's like they
they seem to like believe in this core,

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but they just have not like done
anything to like make it better,

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and like they're just banking on contin
continuity and like they're young guys getting better,

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but that hasn't happened to the degree
that it's needed. Again, what

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the Carter and Craig moves are solid. Those are strong, solid, just

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like good contracts. These are.
Carter was awesome last year for the Bucks,

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I'm I don't know what what.
I'm surprised the Bucks did not trying

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to bring them back. I'm not
sure what their situation was. My guess

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is they wanted someone who actually is
a playmaker, but then they proceeded not

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really to add that player. Yeah, I thought they had an overall good

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off season, but I'm sure they
just didn't want to pay the tax like

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the implications of bringing him back.
I'm sure. Yeah, yeah, so

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solid moves in a vacuum. And
like, again, I think they should

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improve the team. And like I
also do think they're baking. I think

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they do think like they went whatever
they went, fourteen and nine and Patrick

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Beverly, they loved talking about how
good they were, Uh in the part

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of the season NBA season that does
not matter. After the All Star break

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they were we were fourteen and nine
after signing Patrick Beverly, and I think

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they probably think, well, you
know, like Javon Carters can be an

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even better version of Patrick Beverly,
Tory Craig will help us too, and

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like we'll like take that and then
we'll just be even better than it.

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They could be really good. Who
knows, maybe they will be. Maybe

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they'll surprise, but like again,
so many of those games and like March

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late February, March April, and
just like just does not matter. You

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just can't. You can't put much
stock into it. And I think they

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might and they think that they're gonna
be like pretty good because of that.

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So no, this is not going
to be an entire podcast where I crap

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all over the bulls because I am
fascinated feel if you too, because DGR

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podcast is often craftic all over the
balls. But well, I mean there's

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a lot of criticism here, but
their defense is fascinating me. In the

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past few years. Their ball pressure
is absurd even without lines of ball.

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I think if you watch too,
like a lot of the stuff they can

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do away from the ball. And
I think Patrick Williams improved a great deal

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there last year, especially when you're
looking at when he was on during the

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times where he was on lower uses
guys helping off the corner, like I

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felt like he was really disruptive.
Is there like any other special secret sauce

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that goes into why their defense is
just like they they you look at their

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personnel and it's no, this doesn't
necessarily make sense, and like they not

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only do they forced turnovers, but
they do it without fouling a ton,

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Like what is there something about this
defense that flies under the radars to why

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it's so good? Is it?
And also is it sustainable? If you

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scale ahead of this season, it's
like, well, maybe Carusoe needs to

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play more than twenty three minutes a
game on average, Like can we sustain

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this? So like I thought all
year the defense was just like total smoking

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mirrors and like there were times where
I feel like we're like it when it

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really mattered it kind of And I
was also tracking throughout the year there was

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a stretching in the season where teams
where just could not make three pointers against

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them. They were giving up a
lot of good looks from three and teams

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just they were they were like under
like I think holding teams like twenty in

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the twenty mid to like high twenty
percentage and like that's a lot of fuck

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shooting look because like whatever, I
know, you could close out on guys,

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but a lot of I know,
a lot of three points shooting like

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variants, like it's just straight up
luck. And there was a stretch there

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but where it was but like they
were shooting like for the season ended up

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shooting thirty five percent on corner threes, which is the lowest marketing league.

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And it's like, right, like
the Bulls weren't like forcing like the worst

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corner three point attempts in the league
or something like that exactly. So like,

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I think there was some shooting variants
luck there, But what's still like

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over a full season, you still
end up with the top ten defense.

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You're obviously doing something right. You
mentioned the point of the tax stuff,

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and I think a lot of it
starts there. I mean, you have

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Boots as your center. You know, Boots is at your traditional He's not

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gonna be protecting the rim blocking a
ton of shots. Uh, He's decent

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enough positionally, he usually knows where
to be that he can be at least.

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Okay, you have pretty quick hands
and all that. So like,

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yeah, good rebounding, ending possession. The bull is a good defensive rebounding

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team, like I think for the
most part, at least with Voots out

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there for sure, and like,
so like selling out on getting defensive rebounds,

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I don't. They weren't very good
in transition, so I think like

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they hurt their offense. I think
by kind of selling out on defense sometimes.

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I think that was probably seemed like
part part of their strategy. And

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they also didn't get many offensive rebounds, which was for their offense. Not

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that that matters much, but defensively, you got Boots, you have Zach

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and Demorrow. Like you think you're
top three guys. Those are guys playing

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so many minutes together that you're not
going to be able to put together at

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top ten defense. But yeah,
play Alex Crusile a lot of minutes and

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he is just ridiculous. You talk
about do they need to play it more.

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I don't know if they really can. I just think the way he

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plays, he just gets hurt naturally
just because he plays so hard and he's

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always all over the place. But
I mean, and Patrick Beverley, I

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make fun of Patrick Beverley, but
like he's still a pretty good defender at

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least at the point of attack,
being just a men us an annoying player

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there. Kobe White got better.
I mean again, you bring in Carter

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and soon we're still there too.
I know he like didn't take a step

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offensively. Yeah, yeah, I
was like, I know with the point

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of attack, like Trey, He's
given Trey Young like a lot of problems

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in the past. Yeah, you
mentioned Patrick Williams. Patrick Williams has gotten

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better. He can guard bigger guys, He's not the greatest and small guarding

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smaller guys. He's just not that
quick. But like because I know they've

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tried him on, like he like
Devin Booker, Devin Booker, Rose everybody,

406
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but like there have been some rough
they've tried him on, like Booker

407
00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:33,599
and it just does not go well. But like so many guards smaller games,

408
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,200
guys usually not great. But yeah, Pat has gotten a lot better

409
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,119
defensively, so like like if you're
starting whatever they were starting Beverly and like

410
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,559
Pat at the end of the season
and like they were pretty good there,

411
00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:47,079
and I mean you play Cruiso a
lot of minutes. I was pretty good

412
00:25:47,079 --> 00:25:48,640
there. And that's what they did
with Lonzo. Their idea was if we

413
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,000
have whatever, just two guys or
a couple of guys or even one guy

414
00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:56,319
just hammering the point of attack and
just like disrupting there, forcing the turnovers

415
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,759
that that will cover for the lack
of like whatever Zach and Damar and Vooch

416
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,480
behind them, and it has kind
of worked. Like I mean, they

417
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:08,880
were again a top ten defense they
forced turnovers and that, and that kind

418
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:14,200
of held them up a bit because
their offense sucks and so was terrible last

419
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,240
season. It's so funny, just
like you think of a team again with

420
00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:18,960
those with Vos, Damar and Zach, like, oh, we're gonna be

421
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,440
like a really good offensive team,
maybe not the best defensively, and it's

422
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,680
just the that was the complete opposite. Last season. They were a top

423
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,640
ten defense and a bottom ten offense, which is just kind of crazy,

424
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:32,359
so sustainable going to this season,
I would expect, I guess, maybe

425
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,559
a little regression, but again,
they added a few good decent defensive pieces.

426
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,920
Pat continues to get better. I
don't think it's gonna be like an

427
00:26:38,039 --> 00:26:41,839
all of a sudden fall apart to
like a terrible defensive team. We'll see,

428
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,039
like with Booch, if he loses
a step with Damar, the same

429
00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:48,400
way with Zach, I mean Zax. I don't think Zach's as bad of

430
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,839
a defender as like people used to
think he was, or as he used

431
00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:53,880
to be. He's gotten at least
better enough where he's like usually pretty decent

432
00:26:53,920 --> 00:27:00,079
off ball can still be kind of
spacey moments where like those the terrible moments

433
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,079
just stand out. I think it's
right exactly, but like overall, he's

434
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,400
fine. So like so yeah,
like, like is what I start him

435
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,960
to finish in the top ten again? No, but like again I think

436
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,480
they could probably finish top half.
And if they did finish top ten,

437
00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:18,440
I guess it wouldn't totally shock me. Again, So, so, yeah,

438
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,680
is there and you mentioned like their
top three players, you have those

439
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,119
three guards on the floor last year, and your offense ranks in like the

440
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,160
forty percentile, but you end up
in like you're one of the more efficient

441
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,079
half court offenses during those minutes,
So you have I think they ended up

442
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,240
ninth and a half court efficiency overall. I can't remember exactly. Is there

443
00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:44,200
low hanging fruit to get them to
actually be a better offensive team than they

444
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,200
were last season with the personnel that
they have? Is it the things that

445
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:48,680
stand out to me? And so, like the best way it might be

446
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,839
framed this way to you is can
they up their three point volume reasonably or

447
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,599
can they do like pretend like they're
gonna push the ball, Like they forced

448
00:27:56,599 --> 00:28:00,920
a lot of turnovers and they're one
of the slowest teams getting into their offense

449
00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:03,720
after forcing turnovers. It's the same
same thing for defensive rebounds. I know

450
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:07,000
that this isn't a team that's gonna
live in transition, just like you have

451
00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:10,759
Vouch and you have DeMar De Rozen, but like you have a bunch of

452
00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:14,200
other guys that could and could you
at least maybe just like I know,

453
00:28:14,759 --> 00:28:18,720
deliberate methodical sets or just Demard Rosen's
calling card, and that's how he's going

454
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:22,559
to really carve you up. But
your offensive success has also been it feels

455
00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:27,799
like to me predicated on like what
might be unsustainably like really ridiculous shop making

456
00:28:27,799 --> 00:28:32,119
and decision making from DeMar de Rosen
to this point, who's now thirty four

457
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:37,119
And so can you reasonably with this
personnel change enough with how you play on

458
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,720
offense that you're demonstratively better or is
there not a lot of hope there for

459
00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:42,480
that? I mean, the three
point rate is just the obvious one,

460
00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:45,119
and that's why they went and signed
him on Carter Again, he's not like

461
00:28:45,119 --> 00:28:48,480
a high high volume guy, but
I mean just a guy who will be

462
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,759
willing if he can get up five
to six threees a game and if he

463
00:28:51,839 --> 00:28:55,440
hits forty some percent, again huge. They need to get Patrick Williams three

464
00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,039
point volume up as well. He
improved it last season, still not I

465
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:02,559
think he was still under four times
per game. He might have been like

466
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:06,200
three points something I can't I'd love
to know what he would be if he

467
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:11,039
didn't like dribble out of three spin
turns or whatever he likes to do.

468
00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:14,480
Like I know, like a lot
of people would love to see Pat just

469
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:17,440
like whatever, become get more on
ball reps, blah blah blah. But

470
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,799
on this end, I know we'll
probably talk more about Pat later in general,

471
00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:22,960
like on this team with the guys
they have, Like he just needs

472
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,640
to be bomb and threes. He's
been shooting over forty percent. If you're

473
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,799
gonna be shooting that wall from threes, you need to get more up when

474
00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:33,000
you get the opportunities take six a
game again, like him and Carter would

475
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,079
be great if they could take five
or six per game and if they still

476
00:29:36,119 --> 00:29:38,839
hit at forty percent, that's that's
amazing, that's awesome. Craig again not

477
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,759
a super high volume guy, but
he's a guy who should be willing to

478
00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:45,640
show. I mean, Craig takes
the spot of guys like I mean,

479
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,839
like Derek Jones Junior, and like
Javon take green energy guys. I mean,

480
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,640
I love in a vacuum kind of
like what those guys brought to the

481
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,400
table. But they just had so
many guys in recent years who just would

482
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,119
pass up open three. It's just
they would not take three. It's just

483
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,720
not high rate three point guys.
And you just can't I have that many

484
00:30:00,839 --> 00:30:03,559
of the same guys. I'm the
team like there was just like the roster

485
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,680
construction was just so bad, so
many of these defense first energy players who

486
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,359
can't shoot threes, and like it's
fine to have like one or two,

487
00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:14,839
but when you have like four or
five of those guys getting minutes, I

488
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,000
just you end up with the worst
three point right in the league several years

489
00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:21,039
in a row. And even though
you have Damar, Zach and Booch put

490
00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:25,200
you look at their individual numbers and
like the numbers all their individual seasons looked

491
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,160
really good. Last season, like
efficiency wise, I mean, Booch had

492
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,880
like a really good efficiency season,
Zach was awesome after the All Star break

493
00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:34,119
and overall good season. Tomorrow wasn't
quite as good as he was two years

494
00:30:34,119 --> 00:30:37,359
ago, but he was still really
good. But then he looked at like

495
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,079
they're them three playing together, and
their offensive rating is mid as hell.

496
00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:45,680
It's just not good because they just
don't take enough threes and the guys around

497
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,839
them don't take enough threes, and
so that's the big one. I'm curious

498
00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:52,519
if Tomorrow will ever like I feel
like he's taken a few more than he

499
00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:55,480
used to in the last couple.
I mean, we know he's never been

500
00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:57,240
a big three point shod Like,
would Demorrow be willing to even get up

501
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,039
to three a game? I don't
know, He's he's just been so long.

502
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,920
Just the mid range may haven and
he's awesome at it, but again,

503
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,640
it would just be nice to even
turn one or two of those into

504
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,079
maybe like an open corner three or
something. So yeah, like a three

505
00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:15,119
point rate is huge. They don't
ever like crash the offensive glass. I

506
00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:19,599
think I think they sell what's that
Tory Craig will do it, yeah,

507
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,400
yeah, and like I mean like
Julian Phillips who probably won't play it,

508
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,680
but like he gets offensive rebounds.
But like, I think they sell out

509
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:32,200
to help their defense and not get
offensive rebounds. And there's some value in

510
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,880
that. Of course, their defense
was good, but they don't really get

511
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,559
many extra opportunities on offense. It's
like that hurts. And the transition stuff

512
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:42,480
you mentioned, like losing Lonzo hurt
there for sure, because I believe when

513
00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:45,880
Lonzo was there, like I mean, you know, he's always looking ahead

514
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,400
that the long passes ahead. And
you have guys like so you have some

515
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,480
athletes. I mean, Zach Lavine
should be a guy who thrives in transition.

516
00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:56,400
So like losing Lonzo and just like
the guy who is looking to push

517
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,880
the ball, it'd be I mean, Kobe White, you'd think be a

518
00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:01,759
I who can thrive and transition.
I owe a little bit too, so

519
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,440
like yeah, like Damar and Voots, Sean can be running up and down

520
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:07,279
the court like crazy. But you
have some guys who you do it.

521
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:10,440
Like we'll see if like Dale and
Terry plays. Dale and Terry was terrible,

522
00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:13,799
Lash I mean barely barely played last
year. I want to say it

523
00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:15,200
was terrible Lasher. He barely played
because he wasn't ready to play. He

524
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:17,839
was bad in summer league. I
don't know if he's an NBA player,

525
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,720
but like if he plays, that's
what he needs to do. Like he's

526
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,480
just got to be running around like
a madman and getting out in transition and

527
00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:27,680
get some easy baskets because he sure
has helly and scorn in the half court,

528
00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:31,559
so like, so yeah, that's
the kind of thing where the low

529
00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:35,240
hanging fruits a good way to put
it. Can you get some easy baskets

530
00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:37,640
transition up that three point rate?
I'm not expecting to come out and be

531
00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:42,359
like bomb and forty three is a
game, but they can't consistently just be

532
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,480
under thirty and being the lowest three
point rate team in the NBA. The

533
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:50,160
same thing will happen again where these
guys have solid seasons but it all comes

534
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,839
together into an offense that just isn't
any good. Would you bet very quickly

535
00:32:54,480 --> 00:33:01,839
against or for Damar DeRozan extension getting
done? So Mark Eversley mentioned that,

536
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:07,279
oh, we'd love Damar here long
term and if they love what he's done,

537
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:12,680
I actually I would lean towards four. I think they might try to

538
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,799
line him up with Vooch so like
two or three years, because I think

539
00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:20,519
they just believe in like keeping this
team competitive. Like, I just don't

540
00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:23,720
think they want to really blow it
up. Wouldn't surprise if they don't give

541
00:33:23,759 --> 00:33:28,759
him one and kind of see how
it plays out no, but like he's

542
00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:31,039
just been so good, and I
think like they think that the team is

543
00:33:31,079 --> 00:33:34,799
in a spot where they can be
decent enough where they could be competitive for

544
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:37,680
a few years and then you maybe
go from there. The number, I

545
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,160
would have no idea, Like would
it be something similar to what was he

546
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,200
got, like three eighty one on
like the last one, Like would they

547
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,319
give him something like that? Again, he probably wants more. I mean,

548
00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:47,880
he's had two great seasons, Like
he probably thinks he should be getting

549
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,599
a bigger one, like three one
hundred. So like like, I mean,

550
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,680
I wouldn't really want to give him
that. I personally would not do

551
00:33:54,720 --> 00:34:00,000
it. So like do I think
the Bulls will look into it and possibly

552
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,559
do it? I would lean towards
yes. I don't know what I would

553
00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:07,119
do if the numbers, if it
was the same number that he got,

554
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:08,920
I might consider it, like three
and eighty one, three and eighty two,

555
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,920
just because it might give you more
outs if you decide, like with

556
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,440
Voods under contract, with you under
contract, if you want to make moves

557
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,559
next summer, he doesn't just leave
in free agency, you haven't under a

558
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:22,320
contract, but with his age,
that number could get dicey really quickly.

559
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:24,639
Right, Yeah, that's why,
Like I mean with his max I think

560
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:29,920
exception, it's like four like one
forty or fifty year, Like you just

561
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,880
can't give him that. He like, he has earned an extension very clearly.

562
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,519
He's earned another really solid deal.
It's like I don't really want the

563
00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:39,000
Bulls to be the team that give
it, that gives it to him again.

564
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,239
If the money is right, I
can I can be like whatever,

565
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,639
like Dmorrow, Like I said,
Demorrow has earned it. He's been so

566
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:49,119
good the last comers better than I
could ever have imagined. But just like

567
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,440
lining up this like this Corda and
like paying these guys into there when Damar

568
00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:55,440
is gonna be thirty seven or thirty
and Foods gonna be thirty five, and

569
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:59,880
they just haven't won anything. And
it's like, like you said, there,

570
00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:02,119
it could be some value there in
terms of whatever, having the contracts

571
00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:06,400
that are to trade for something.
But then you do worry, like what

572
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,000
if it actually goes bad? If
you give Themorrow like an extension this year,

573
00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:13,400
but then like things go bad this
year, then you're stuck with Voochigan

574
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,760
for three years. If you have
Tomorrow like on the books for three years

575
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:16,960
and you're just like, ah,
we's gonna keep doing this. So,

576
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:21,719
like will they be able to trade
him depending on what the number is?

577
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,280
I don't know, so it is
I think it is a dice situation.

578
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,480
I don't think I would do it
in general, like unless the numbers just

579
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:34,360
really makes sense. So yeah,
I have so many questions that basically just

580
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,920
boiled down to where are you out
with Patrick Williams? So I'm trying to

581
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,880
see if we can boil them down
to like four rapid fire ish sub questions.

582
00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:45,760
All right, First one is what
impressed you the most about his development

583
00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:52,559
last season? Probably, I mean
he has become much better defensively. And

584
00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:55,760
then probably I him impressed that the
three point shot has kind of held up

585
00:35:57,119 --> 00:35:59,639
as it's he's still kind of in
a situation where I don't really trust them

586
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:02,480
shooting. Is he just does not
seem confident shooting then, but like he

587
00:36:02,559 --> 00:36:06,800
shot forty some percent, so like
I am, I did not think that

588
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,199
that was gonna hold up on higher
volume than it did. So it's probably

589
00:36:10,199 --> 00:36:14,199
that that and the fact that like
he's a legit like pretty solid three and

590
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,440
D player. Again, like the
problem is the other stuff. And actually

591
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:22,679
becoming like big time, high impact
player. But in terms of the defense,

592
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,239
yeah, he's gotten a lot better. It's been impressive. The three

593
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:30,559
point shooting has got stayed strong with
higher volume. It's just like then taking

594
00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:36,280
that next step after that, what
are you watching most closely for? And

595
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,039
I'm assuming it's offensive related as he
goes into the year four. Yeah,

596
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:43,719
I mean again, the big thing
is just what the aggressiveness, consistent aggressiveness,

597
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,360
and like it's almost cliche at this
point, and it is. I

598
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,760
do get how it's tough, and
like you're a young player, you're playing

599
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,599
with Tamar, Zach and Bousch,
and you just like feel like you need

600
00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:55,079
to take the back seat. But
at some point, like whatever you're in

601
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,199
year four now, man, like
you need to start whatever, grab the

602
00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:05,000
bull by the horn and like just
consistently have that more aggressive mindset as an

603
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,280
offensive player. And who knows about
We'll see what type of if they give

604
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,920
him more opportunities on the ball,
and so many fans of clamor and run

605
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,639
more pick and rolls for them,
blah blah blah blah. And even even

606
00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:15,760
if they don't do that, there
are times where he can just be more

607
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,440
aggressive the three point shooting. Don't
pass up three point shots. If the

608
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,880
guys are attacking on closeouts, drive
hard at the best and get more aggressive.

609
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,920
There be more aggressive attacking the offensive
glass. I mentioned the bulls just

610
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,360
like don't not great getting extra opportunities. There are like random times where he

611
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,280
just goes crazy on the offensive glass
and like throws on a put back dunk.

612
00:37:34,519 --> 00:37:37,199
Would love to see more of that. You can get some dirty points

613
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,599
that way. Like he's a pretty
big dude six seven, six eight strong,

614
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,719
Like you should be able to do
some some of that dirty work inside

615
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,920
more cutting stuff like that. So
like it's not necessarily just like here we

616
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,679
need to give Patrick Williams the ball
and like people get out of the way

617
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,480
or like run more pros. Guess
just not gonna just not gonna happen.

618
00:37:53,519 --> 00:37:58,559
But like there are ways where he
can be more aggressive offensively choosing the spots,

619
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,559
not being passive when it's comes to
turning down shots and getting better.

620
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:04,960
Besides that, though, we also
need to get better at rebounding in general.

621
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,840
Like I mentioned, he can occasionally
be just like a sick offensive rebound

622
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,119
with putbacks, but you look at
his overall rebounding numbers and they stick.

623
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,800
They're not great for like what they
should be, so like some of it

624
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,400
is here, Like whatever, he's
garden guys on the perimeter. He's not

625
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,920
always in the best spot for rebounds. But like, uh, like if

626
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,320
you're that size in the NBA with
like pretty good athleticism, like you should

627
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,079
be grabbing more than three or four
rebounds a game. You just you just

628
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:28,800
need to. So like I would
love to see him get better on the

629
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,159
glass as well. Like I don't
know if he's ever gonna be like a

630
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:35,440
big playmaking guy. I know there
was like all the stuff coming into legal.

631
00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:37,360
You know, he played some point
guard like in high school. Like

632
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:39,199
I just don't know that that's ever
really gonna be there for him. But

633
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:45,599
whatever, He's just consistently like been
around the same like like based numbers like

634
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:49,639
all three years, like nine ten
points a game, four or five rebounds

635
00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:51,880
a game. He'll get like a
steal or a block a game, and

636
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,599
like maybe an assist doing that said, like I would love to get that

637
00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:59,079
up to like fifteen and seven,
fifteen and eight, maybe a couple assists

638
00:38:59,079 --> 00:39:00,840
per game, get a couple of
stocks per game, Like that would be

639
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:06,159
great and that's just a matter of
I think just being a consistently a bit

640
00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:10,000
more aggressive all over the court,
and that would definitely help the Bulls like

641
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:14,280
just take another step forward, because
I mean, because of where they're there

642
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,519
with the main guys that they have, the core they have, like we

643
00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:19,960
know what Zak is, we know
what Tomorrow, we know what Fouch is,

644
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,000
Like, they don't just have that
much more upward mobility on this roster.

645
00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:27,199
He is one of the few guys
like if he legitimately would would take

646
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,719
a leap, that would at least
make the Bulls a bit more dangerous in

647
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,719
general. And you kind of already
answered this, I'll rephrase it, but

648
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,400
like we can't expect him to get
the on ball opportunities that everyone's clambering forward

649
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,679
the way this roster is built,
and so it seems like the most likely

650
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,199
way for him to level up would
be to make those quicker decisions when he's

651
00:39:46,199 --> 00:39:50,360
actually getting the ball where it's firing
up the threes or even look, if

652
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,960
you want to see more from him, you even kind of alluded to this,

653
00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:54,760
like he needs to put more pressure
on the basket. His rim frequency

654
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,840
has declined in every season that he's
been in the league, and it's like

655
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,360
you watch him like when you he
puts the ball on the floor. Yeah,

656
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,960
he's not really comfortable finishing with both
hands, but he seems comfortable and

657
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,199
dribbling with both hands. He wants
to get into those baseline jumpers or we've

658
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,079
seen him kind of go into like
the it I don't want to compare the

659
00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:13,639
two, but it is like Kauai
ask the aesthetics of like his turnaround jumper,

660
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,199
Like if you're just catching and making
quick decisions in those situations, that

661
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,800
might be the pathway to him leveling
up on the offensive end and increasing his

662
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,360
scoring totals. It's just like make
those faster decisions and yeah, I mean

663
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,719
like, yeah, get up more
threes. Yeah. Sometimes it's just like

664
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,639
it's not the process. Time just
isn't quite there fast enough. And when

665
00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:36,000
you have like the record scratches and
stuff like that, it's just it hurts,

666
00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:37,239
and it hurts the overall offense when
you have a good look and then

667
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,119
you just you hesitate, you pass
it up and then just like the defense

668
00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:44,840
recovers and then you're just kind of
and then you're getting end up left with

669
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:45,920
a with a tough shot at the
end of the clock or something like that.

670
00:40:46,159 --> 00:40:50,079
I do. I do think there
are probably still are some opportunities to

671
00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:52,239
get him maybe some more on ball
ups if he's playing with bench units.

672
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,480
I know they like playing like demor
with the bench So like you're not gonna

673
00:40:55,519 --> 00:40:59,000
like take the ball out of Deamorrow's
hands all the time and like have him

674
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,639
go stand in the corner to get
Patrick Williams a lot of reps, but

675
00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:05,840
like you can give him some like
again, like his development. It's just

676
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,679
like if this team is going to
take the next step, like him being

677
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,480
a lot better, it's going to
be part of It's like you might as

678
00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:14,000
well give him some chances. So
like I would like to see them do

679
00:41:14,039 --> 00:41:16,679
at least a few more things with
him and whatever with the pick and rolls,

680
00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:20,719
whether it's him handling the ball,
whether it's him being a role man

681
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,840
doing more than they do that they
do do that sometimes, just getting him

682
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,719
more involved than in general and Bill
Billy Donovan. Uh, there's been a

683
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,519
thing a lot of decent amount of
Christen that is fair about his offense and

684
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:35,559
his schemes. And I mean going
back to the Oklahoma City thunder Days where

685
00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:38,320
he's kind of lets the Stars do
do the do their thing, and we've

686
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,880
kind of seeing that with the Bowls
at times where like it ends up being

687
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,880
DeMar and zactional and that's kind of
and they can turn in a lot of

688
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,960
NBA teams in general. The Stars, especially at the end of the games,

689
00:41:47,199 --> 00:41:50,559
they're gonna get the ball. They're
gonna io and like Zecond Tomorrow,

690
00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:53,079
really good io players. You mentioned
like half court offense and like you look

691
00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:55,880
at like ISO like efficiency, like
those guys are both really good, but

692
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,920
like burn overall offense succeed, they
have to diver fy a bit more to

693
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,599
get more three pointers up, as
we kind of talked about earlier, So

694
00:42:02,679 --> 00:42:07,039
like if you do add a bit
more wrinkles a little more diversity in their

695
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:09,800
offense. And Patrick Williams would definitely
ideally play a big part of that.

696
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:15,119
I've heard nothing about an extension for
him. Would you expect him to get

697
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:17,079
one? And what's like a if
you're the front office, like what's the

698
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:21,400
number that you would be comfortable giving
him right now? Yeah, there really

699
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,880
has been like nothing out there about
it. I feel like I would be

700
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:28,400
surprised if he gets one, just
because, like I think He probably thinks

701
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,280
that he could have like a big
season and like turn that into like a

702
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,119
much bigger deal than the Bulls are
willing to give him right now. I

703
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:37,679
remember Keith Smith what he did,
like an article at Sparrick or whatever,

704
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,639
and I think it was like predicting, like the whatever the rookie year extensions.

705
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:45,119
He had five years one hundred million, because now with those fifty years

706
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:47,039
you can it doesn't have to be
a max. It's not that designated rookie

707
00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:52,719
extension anymore. And like and me
on the podcast Cashing Sperations being my coast

708
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,199
rookie o'donald, we talked about that
number and like, I think I'd be

709
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,039
fine with that, like five years, one hundred twenty million a year with

710
00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:00,440
the cab going up for like a
young player still a twenty one twenty two

711
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,559
who is pretty good. Like that's
fine, Like twenty million a year for

712
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:08,559
a guy who can play three and
d for you for the next second percent

713
00:43:08,599 --> 00:43:12,559
of the cap. Yeah, that's
like I'd be totally I'd be totally fine

714
00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:14,559
and something like that. I feel
like he thinks, I don't know if

715
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:15,960
the Bulls are actually offering somebody that. Again, there's been like no reporting

716
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,599
about and extension talks. They're like
and I just don't think. I don't

717
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:22,480
know if he'd be wire going to
take it. Maybe he would just get

718
00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:25,280
that to get that guaranteed money for
five years. But I feel like he

719
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,679
thinks probably thinks like and his agents
probably like, dude, if you come

720
00:43:28,679 --> 00:43:30,559
out and have a really good season, help this team turn it around,

721
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:36,840
you're gonna get maybe five like one
forty one fifty, like if he has

722
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,480
a legit breakout season. So I
feel like that it just seems like it's

723
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:44,559
a hard h I just don't know
if they're gonna like find a match there

724
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,760
between like what they're looking for right
now. So I'd be kind of surprised

725
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,760
if he got one. He would
be a player I know we didn't see

726
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,239
it this year and restricted free agency, but like he would be a player

727
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:58,199
that I would think that teams would
tie up their cap space four even if

728
00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:00,880
he's basically the same player this season
to be like, well there's untapped miss

729
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,159
three box potential here. Yeah,
he's still just so young. I mean

730
00:44:05,159 --> 00:44:07,159
when he came into the when the
Bulls drafted him, I think he was

731
00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:09,800
like the first or like maybe the
second youngest guy in the draft. Again,

732
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,199
I think he's twenty one, twenty
two, so he's still you're yeah,

733
00:44:14,199 --> 00:44:16,079
you're you'd be getting him for the
next whatever, into his pro not

734
00:44:16,119 --> 00:44:20,719
even into his prime yet, basically
is up until his prime years on this

735
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,719
next contract, So like, yeah, and if like you, they could

736
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,320
look at the Bulls and be like, you know, this team was a

737
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:29,079
mess. Uh, he just didn't
get enough opportunity we can use. We

738
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:32,960
can untap that potential, or we
could tap into that untapped potential and maybe

739
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:36,960
find that player who becomes like an
all sort of guy. So I could

740
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,559
absolutely see teams talking themselves into that. Uh. Just was like kind of

741
00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:44,440
the situation he's been in. Who
has a bigger role next year in your

742
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:49,320
opinion, Iota soon move or Kobe
White. I would guess Kobe, which

743
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,679
is kind of funny, but it's
like at the end of not this past

744
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,599
two year seasons ago when Iowa was
a rookie and he was kind of like

745
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:57,960
making waves a rookie, uh,
and it looked like I was just kind

746
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,239
of going to pass Kobe by as
like the one of the main guards off

747
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:05,760
the bench. But now like Kobe
got a lot better last sea. Towards

748
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,599
the end of last season, you
look at his numbers, like they weren't

749
00:45:07,639 --> 00:45:09,199
they don't look at anything special,
and like he's still pretty streaky as a

750
00:45:09,199 --> 00:45:13,280
shooter, but like he just like
tightened a lot of things up as a

751
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,079
player overall, just like made him
better. Says a role player. I

752
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:17,800
don't. I don't think he's ever
gonna be anything that special, but like

753
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:22,480
as a bench guard was I just
had a really solid end of the season.

754
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:27,239
I again regressed shooting, regressed talking
about record scratches. Iowa record scratches

755
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,039
way too much and it's painful to
watch sometimes. And like I was still

756
00:45:30,039 --> 00:45:34,960
a really strong defensive player, point
of attack stuff, and like it pretty

757
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,559
good there. It just offensively,
uh just not quite there. And I

758
00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:40,440
mean the Bowls just need more,
they need three point shooting and they're on

759
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:45,159
their team. So like Kobe was
one of the few like there was I

760
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:46,400
was not sure of like Kobe was
gonna stick around. But well, kind

761
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,840
of how he finished the year last
year, because he's kind of been in

762
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,719
trade rumors for a while that nothing
ever came close. But I guess I

763
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,000
was kind of out on Kobe a
couple of years ago. Kind of I

764
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,519
wouldn't say like I'm super back in
but I think he's pretty good. That

765
00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:00,280
the extension you got is like I
think it's three years, like up to

766
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,880
forty million with unlike the incentives in
there. So it's like I think base

767
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,760
twelve million a year, three thirty
six totally fine for a pretty solid bench

768
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:12,039
guard who's also still very young,
who gets up threes again, he's still

769
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:15,159
streaky. I would love to get
him in those high thirties percentage wise from

770
00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:17,800
threes. He still kind of goes
has those games where he can be on

771
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,719
fire, and then the next like
three games he goes like one for fifteen.

772
00:46:22,679 --> 00:46:25,440
But still he's done enough with the
rest of his game that he's not

773
00:46:25,639 --> 00:46:29,400
like a total liability anymore. If
he's shooting one of eight from three,

774
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,320
he can he's tighten the handle bit. He can be pretty good in transition

775
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,480
if he wants me. He's fast. We know the passing's gotten a little

776
00:46:37,519 --> 00:46:39,519
better, the defense has gotten a
little better. So he's turned himself in

777
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:44,320
a pretty solid, like all around
bench guard and just I mean maybe Io

778
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,079
turns things around, but like at
least definitely to start the year Kobe's definitely

779
00:46:47,079 --> 00:46:51,119
ahead of him in the rotation for
sure. I think I'd agree with you.

780
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,880
Mostly. I love Io like I'm
still just a really big believer in

781
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,760
him because of how well he can
guard up. But when you look at

782
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,440
a team that needs three point volume, like, hey, go with the

783
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,639
guy who shot thirty nine percent on
catching, and I would love I'm an

784
00:47:02,639 --> 00:47:07,559
Illinois guy, so like I've been
watching Io for years. I have an

785
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:09,639
Iowa Illinois jersey. It's like I
have an ioa Bowls jersey toohim, like

786
00:47:10,039 --> 00:47:14,119
nothing more of that. I would
love to see Io bounce back. Proved

787
00:47:14,119 --> 00:47:16,519
me wrong about this contract that he
got three years, twenty one million and

788
00:47:16,559 --> 00:47:20,199
become a big part of the rodation. It was it was tough watching with

789
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,239
the end of the last season,
but I feel like he lost all confidence

790
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,559
in his jumper and he just didn't
get and his menus dwindled. The bits

791
00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:27,119
like, I would love to see
him turn around. I know he's a

792
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:30,360
hard worker. Again, Chicago guy
went to Illinois starred there, so I

793
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,039
would love to see him turn things
back. I was again the Bulls just

794
00:47:32,039 --> 00:47:36,480
don't have any young guys got on
their team. They like have high ceilings.

795
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:38,039
Not that Io and like Kobe have
really high ceilings anymore, but if

796
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:43,960
those guys can turn around and develop
like that does help the Bulls chances of

797
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,760
at least being a team that could
maybe be somewhat interesting in the East.

798
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:52,639
I did some light investigating into Julian
Phillips specifically for this podcast. It just

799
00:47:52,679 --> 00:47:54,400
it stood out to me that the
Bulls gave up a twenty six and twenty

800
00:47:54,400 --> 00:48:00,199
seven second round or to get him. It looks like his physical profile kind

801
00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:01,719
of pops when you look at his
athleticism and how we could be moved around

802
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:07,800
defensively. Any early impressions of just
like Julian Phillips the player and could he

803
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,519
just given the relative dearth of wing
depth on this teams where to stumble into

804
00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:15,920
some minutes for them? So I
know, Mark Eversley said, they're really

805
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,719
not expecting that he came on straight
upset. It like, we're not expecting

806
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,079
him to do much this season.
You never know. Guys get hurt,

807
00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:24,440
Guys are bad. If the season
goes south, maybe he plays more.

808
00:48:27,079 --> 00:48:29,400
I'm not a big draft guy,
so like I didn't watch him much like

809
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:30,639
a Tennessee. I know, Okay, my co host were Kid Donald hated

810
00:48:30,679 --> 00:48:32,519
the pick. I know a lot
of people hated the pick. When I

811
00:48:32,519 --> 00:48:35,840
saw the pick was made, I
was, first of all, I was

812
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,119
excited they actually traded into the draft
because they had like no picks. I

813
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:40,559
was like, Oh, the Bulls
actually made a trade. They traded in

814
00:48:40,599 --> 00:48:44,559
the draft, and they take this
guy who's Julian Phillips. I went and

815
00:48:44,599 --> 00:48:45,920
looked at his like stats, I'm
like, oh, we shot twenty percent

816
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:50,559
from three and they pick pick another
project wing who can't shoot for a kid.

817
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,480
Thanks guys, so like, yeah, like defensively, he seems like

818
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,880
he's got some potential. They're like, I didn't. I honestly did not

819
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,119
watch some league that closely to like
have like a huge impression he. I

820
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:04,199
know, he had like one game
where he hit a few threes and I

821
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,599
was like, oh, maybe this
could be interesting. I'm pretty sure the

822
00:49:06,679 --> 00:49:08,840
rest of the games he didn't really
shoot that well, but like offensive,

823
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:13,559
rebounding, maybe defense, maybe like
in terms of getting into the rotation,

824
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:15,280
I just don't know, Like,
is he like you would think Dale and

825
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,360
Terry is ahead of him, maybe, like maybe there's a battle there to

826
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,719
get minutes of dal and Terry which
just so rough he I mean, he

827
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,559
the fact that he could not get
on the court last season for this team.

828
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:28,039
I know, the Bulls are actually
pretty healthy injury wise, Like you

829
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:30,480
pick a guy number eighteen and you're
like mid all season and you're and you

830
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:34,480
get I mean, I don't even
he might have played one hundred minutes.

831
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,159
I think he was. He might
have been lost. Christian Brown. It

832
00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:43,039
was like him and Johnny Davis were
like the lowest Johnny first on picks last

833
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:45,320
year. Yeah, I mean,
because he had the Bulls that could I

834
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,199
think right behind him, it was
like for it was right before him,

835
00:49:47,199 --> 00:49:50,679
it was Taris and which would have
been like an awesome pick for them.

836
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,039
Right after him, it was like
Christian Brown, like Walker, Walker Kessler,

837
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,960
and here's Dale and Terry who can't
get on the court for this mid

838
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,239
ass team. And then like in
some league he was also like I said,

839
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,239
I didn't like, wasn't like watching
every minute of summerly like well when

840
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,639
I did see and like what I
know what other people saw, like it

841
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,960
was just an a static just his
basic sets. He's just a really rough

842
00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:13,239
offensive player, Like you just can't
expect him to do much in the half

843
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,800
court and like, okay, energy
guy defensive again, like him and Daleen

844
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:20,719
and Julian Phillips just kind of seemed
very similar to the Energy guys can't really

845
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,519
shoot the ball, maybe they can
help defensively and transition stuff like that.

846
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:27,840
So like maybe the again, maybe
those guys battle it out to see because

847
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,840
I don't know if they'll really be
in the rotation, but like maybe the

848
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,119
next guy in the rotation if there
is an injury or something like that.

849
00:50:34,199 --> 00:50:38,039
So I'd have no expectations for Julian
Phillips this year. If he surprises great.

850
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:44,480
Is it a concern that this team
really doesn't like even I consider Tory

851
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:47,840
Craig and Patrick Williams, like maybe
not wings but like combo forwards and Patrick

852
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:52,000
Williams is probably a way, But
like, is just the lack of wings

853
00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:55,199
and actual concern for this team?
Are we getting too bogged down by position

854
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,840
and size? And it's hey,
look at all these Yeah they're smaller,

855
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,880
but Desu and Mooin, Alex Caruso
and Javonne Carter, They're gonna like probably

856
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:07,199
like among the best screen navigators in
the game right now. Like the defense

857
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,159
is gonna be fine anyway, it's
just they don't have a lot of wings.

858
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,159
Yeah, I do wish they had
like one, at least one more

859
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,920
solid wing on the team. Like
you look at like their end of the

860
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:21,519
roster, it's just like kind of
like their top ten is like I think,

861
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:23,119
fine, top ten eleven maybe fine, But then you get to like

862
00:51:23,199 --> 00:51:28,400
Dale and Phillips, and like they
signed Terry Taylor, who was a forward

863
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,159
but like not really a wing.
I guess, like I don't even know

864
00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:32,880
what you would call it Terry Taylor. I don't know. I couldn't tell

865
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,119
you that much about Terry Taylor,
but like whatever, And then like Carl

866
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,159
Jones at the end of the roster
against South Sudan FIA World couple legend Carl

867
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:44,079
Jones, but like and also lu
also Julie MVP Carl Jones, but again

868
00:51:44,119 --> 00:51:49,199
that's another small guard. So like
I would have loved yet to have gotten

869
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,880
a little more size on the roster. Whether it was another just like big

870
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,960
or another another bigger wing. Who
that would have been, I don't really

871
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,719
know at this point, but like
I do think it's somewhat of a concern.

872
00:52:00,039 --> 00:52:01,599
Was that I gott I feel like
at the Bulls rebounding setskin because I

873
00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:07,440
feel like it was generally okay,
but there I feel like there were times

874
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,199
in certain matchups where you see they
would just get pounded, and like Patch

875
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:14,840
just not a good enough free bounder, and like Billy, I mean Billy

876
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,840
loves I feel like playing small and
playing a bunch of guards together, so

877
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,480
like that seems like it just kind
of plays right into him. Like I

878
00:52:20,519 --> 00:52:22,960
do wish they had at least like
one more guy who was like six eight,

879
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:30,239
six, nine sixty seven whatever around
patrickal in size. So are there

880
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:34,360
any dates the cookie cutter portion of
the podcast, so everybody get excited.

881
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,280
These are the questions we ask and
every single look ahead. Are there any

882
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:42,119
strengths, upsides, or weaknesses or
concerns about this team that we haven't covered

883
00:52:42,199 --> 00:52:45,239
yet you think need to be addressed? So I want to I do want

884
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,760
to give a shout out to Crusoe
again because I feel like I just haven't

885
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,199
really given him as proper due.
And we talked about the defense and how

886
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,440
good it was, a lot of
it honestly might just be how ridiculously good

887
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,000
it is. I don't have like
the exact advanced stats in front of me,

888
00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:00,559
but like there's a lot of advanced
stats that show Crusoe it's like arguably

889
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,159
the best defensive player in the NBA
or like one of the most impactful at

890
00:53:04,199 --> 00:53:07,199
least maybe at least for like guards. Uh, he's just ridiculously good.

891
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,840
Again, can't he can't play huge, huge minutes because he just gets hurt.

892
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:15,400
It's the way he plays. But
like, I think Russo almost single

893
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,559
handedly he like helps the Bulls defense
be ridiculously good. And he is just

894
00:53:17,679 --> 00:53:22,800
insanely good at just so much defensively, whether it's the ball pressure, getting

895
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:27,199
around screens, guarding guys that are
bigger than him. So I just wanted

896
00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:30,280
to give Alex Cruiso is his proper
dude as because he I mean, he

897
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:34,920
made first seam all defense is.
You're right, he did get his due.

898
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,599
But like, I don't think people
realize just how good he actually is

899
00:53:37,639 --> 00:53:42,199
defensively, And I think I think
it's just a big part of how good

900
00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:45,599
the Bulls defense was last season the
last couple of seasons is better being better

901
00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:46,880
than expected. I think there's a
lot of it was just Alex Cruiso being

902
00:53:47,519 --> 00:53:51,880
absolutely awesome in a terror and he's
just really fun to watch play defense.

903
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,519
I made a joke yesterday about how
whatever Lebron's recruiting all these guys, all

904
00:53:55,559 --> 00:53:58,920
these stars to play for Team USA, but you know you need guys who

905
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,519
can, like whatever play a role
twelfth man, bringing out having Alex Caruso

906
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:06,400
via on Team USA just to all
the stars aren't gonna want to play defense

907
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,159
and they're gonna have all these like
thirty five forty year olds on this team,

908
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:14,480
bringing Ac to just go fucking hog
wild defensively to the Olympics, go

909
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:17,400
win the gold medal. That's not
gonna happen. But Ac is awesome.

910
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,519
So I think I just wanted to
make sure to give him his due,

911
00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:22,960
And that's really just play up,
like how hit that strength of his defensively

912
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:28,760
and how that's helped the Bulls otherwise, like I mean strength wise, Like

913
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,880
we know we talked about their defense
like offensively, like I mean, it

914
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:37,039
will be I am kind of curious
to see. I think how they use

915
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:39,599
Booch was a big talking point on
like the Bulls broadcast, and just like

916
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:44,039
I think there's some fans it's like
the Bulls don't use use Vouchino. They

917
00:54:44,039 --> 00:54:45,920
would have. They traded so much
to get him. He was at twenty

918
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:50,039
five and ten game and they trade
for him and now he's like a seventeen

919
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:52,760
and ten guy consistently, but he
often disappears in games, especially late,

920
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:58,159
because it becomes the Zach and themar
show. Vooch had an interesting like he

921
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,000
brought that up and he had an
interview Jake Fisher if yeah, it was

922
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,480
sports recently, like talking about the
usage and like going down and like again

923
00:55:04,519 --> 00:55:07,599
it gets hammered on every broadcast like
the Bulls need to play through Bouch,

924
00:55:07,639 --> 00:55:09,480
they need to ponder inside blah blah
blah blah blah. I'm like, I

925
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,280
think there's possibly something to it,
but like I don't want the Bulls that

926
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,599
from the team that just like is
playing through Vouch all the time, like

927
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:20,480
pounding it in the post and become
like a nineties team again with like that

928
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:22,559
and like just the isolation stuff,
like you're just not gonna win that way.

929
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:27,000
But I am curious see if,
like especially with the contract they gave

930
00:55:27,079 --> 00:55:30,519
him, and like I am curious
what they like if they promised me anything,

931
00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:31,599
but we're you know, we're gonna
get you more touches this year.

932
00:55:31,639 --> 00:55:36,760
This is we're gonna running you through
so I'm curious see if that's kind of

933
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:42,079
something that they try to change up
going forward here with this offense. I

934
00:55:42,119 --> 00:55:44,800
don't think I necessarily think that would
really fix that much. But I mean,

935
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,039
Mooch didn't have like a better than
I think a lot of people will

936
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:50,480
realize season in terms of his like
efficiency, He's like two point shooting,

937
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:52,960
Like, yeah, it was around
the career highs, finishing around the basket,

938
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:57,000
his mid range shot was on fire. Three point shooting was still kind

939
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,800
of okay. It was better than
it was two years ago. So you

940
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,280
get about Chicago where he just comes, he takes less, he takes few

941
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,320
or threes. It's just thirty four
point nine percent from your center is fine.

942
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,679
Jack goes up to like six or
seven thirty six. I think a

943
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,039
lot of people are like, well, he shouldn't just be hanging out and

944
00:56:12,039 --> 00:56:14,039
shooting threes, and they need to
get him in the post. They need

945
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:16,840
to pounder in the post, play
inside out. I just don't know if

946
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,760
that's really going to be the answer
here, Like he probably should take another

947
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:24,719
three or two per games because they
need the volume so trying to occupy the

948
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:29,480
same space, right, So I'm
curious see how they use him this season.

949
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,519
Other weaknesses, I think we've kind
of gone through a lot of them.

950
00:56:32,679 --> 00:56:37,159
Their offense sucked despite having these three
alleged All Star caliber guys and this

951
00:56:37,199 --> 00:56:40,920
I mean they had all good efficiency
seasons. The three point shooting is just

952
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,920
a massive problem. There's only no
hidden thing about that. They've been the

953
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:51,039
lowest three point rate team in the
league despite like having decent percentages. They

954
00:56:51,039 --> 00:56:52,760
just don't take enough, so like
they just need to take more. Uh

955
00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:55,519
So, Yeah, I don't think
there's really anything else then that's like really

956
00:56:55,639 --> 00:57:00,599
hidden about this team. There.
They've been aggressively mediocre since on Zoe ball

957
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,960
got hurt, and for all the
reasons we've kind of mentioned already. I

958
00:57:05,079 --> 00:57:07,760
really wish that Carusoe could play more
than like fifteen hundred minutes a season,

959
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:12,920
and I would also love for him
to take more three point attempts. Right,

960
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,280
we'll just go down the list of
the team on this, Like Zach

961
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,440
Lavine, he only wanted takes enough
threes basically, and I would love Zach

962
00:57:17,519 --> 00:57:21,480
to take more. Uh he should
take him ten a game. It's one

963
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:22,639
of the best shooters in the league. Like, go take ten to three

964
00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:25,440
points. And this was kind of
a talking point last year, like because

965
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,880
there was I mean, there have
been games where he had like a three.

966
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:30,320
I think he had like thirteen threes
in a game a couple of seasons

967
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:35,000
ago or something crazy like that.
Like I think he takes on like seven

968
00:57:35,079 --> 00:57:37,400
or eight, which is fine.
Like he's good at at taking the basket.

969
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,719
Obviously, I don't want him just
like completely like only jack threes and

970
00:57:40,719 --> 00:57:44,679
don't attack the basketball. He should
be taking almost like no mid range shots.

971
00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:46,039
I mean, you talk, you
say whatever. I mean, obviously

972
00:57:46,039 --> 00:57:49,920
there are times for mid range shots. But when you have DeMar there,

973
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:52,400
DeMar could be mister mid range.
I don't want to go like total like

974
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:59,920
whatever whatever, well you have,
it makes sense to be like, hey,

975
00:58:00,159 --> 00:58:02,199
yeah, his skill set, he
shouldn't be taking mid range shots except

976
00:58:02,239 --> 00:58:05,559
for I mean again, at the
end of games. It's gonna happen sometimes,

977
00:58:05,559 --> 00:58:07,199
and there's value when that, when
the game slows down at the end

978
00:58:07,239 --> 00:58:10,239
of games in the playoffs, the
mid range shot can become a lot more

979
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,039
valuable. Can still set defense,
but for the most part, but this

980
00:58:14,119 --> 00:58:16,199
offense to get better, Like Zach
take ten plus three he's a game,

981
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,920
and then attack the basket. Otherwise
and get to the free to the line.

982
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,199
We don't need to take in tough
mid range shots outside of very few

983
00:58:22,239 --> 00:58:27,239
situation And I feel like I had
to look at it his like shot distribution

984
00:58:27,239 --> 00:58:29,480
again, but I feel like he
got a little better of about that.

985
00:58:29,519 --> 00:58:31,639
But I know sometimes he still sometimes
has that Kobe brain where I need to

986
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:37,679
get my mid range jay and he
takes them. So yeah, I mean

987
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:39,159
when you mentioned the Crusoe three,
is like, he's not that great,

988
00:58:39,159 --> 00:58:43,760
but he's still certainly And it just
kind of goes back to the point I

989
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,920
made earlier about how the Bowls have
so many of these guys to the defensive

990
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:50,880
energy guys who just don't shoot through
enough three so like, and Crusoe plays

991
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:52,199
into that. Us. Oh,
I love Alex Crusoe is he's one of

992
00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:57,079
the best defensive players in the league, but he's not that good offensively and

993
00:58:57,159 --> 00:59:00,840
can hurt you sometimes because he's afraid
to shoot. And he's just like,

994
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:02,599
isn't that great? He's okay in
pick and roll, I don't like running

995
00:59:02,639 --> 00:59:05,599
them with that much, and like
he's going to the basket, it's not

996
00:59:05,639 --> 00:59:07,880
gonna be that great for you.
But he's just such a valuable defensive player

997
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,679
and he's awesome to watch. So
yeah, more three is from like,

998
00:59:10,679 --> 00:59:15,920
oh these guys, if we have
to narrow it down to a ten man

999
00:59:15,039 --> 00:59:19,880
rotation, it feels like there are
nine locks and you can correct me if

1000
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,159
I'm wrong, but I have Caruso, Lavigne, de Rosen, Williams Vouch,

1001
00:59:23,519 --> 00:59:28,239
Javon Carter, Kobe White, Tory
Craig, and Andre Drummond as my

1002
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,400
nine locks right now, and then
the ten pot would be is it just

1003
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,639
io at this point? Is there
another? Probably? Like I said,

1004
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,400
we'll see about like Dalen and Julian
Phillips, like after again, after that's

1005
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:45,119
like Carlin Jones, Terry Taylor.
Am I missing somebody? There's some cool

1006
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:51,199
some stupid team we'll be in going
to see how the starting lineup that they

1007
00:59:51,239 --> 00:59:57,480
go with, because like they could
start Crusoe, they could start Carter,

1008
00:59:57,599 --> 01:00:00,760
they could start Kobe. I kind
of think they might start Carter, but

1009
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,400
I'm not totally sure that I think
there could be. I mean, Crusoe

1010
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,960
is probably like the best overall player
out of them, but I'm not sure

1011
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:09,599
if they want to start him again, they might just bring have him in

1012
01:00:09,639 --> 01:00:14,159
that table. They could probably use
he's a better passer than Javon Carter,

1013
01:00:14,239 --> 01:00:17,159
sort of bring him off the bench, especially if you're not planning on because

1014
01:00:17,159 --> 01:00:22,079
I guess Iowa is probably the better
passer than Kobe at this point, but

1015
01:00:22,119 --> 01:00:24,360
neither of them are great, So
Caruso might make sense coming off the bench.

1016
01:00:27,199 --> 01:00:29,880
Yeah, I think that's just my
thoughts on that. Yeah, I

1017
01:00:30,039 --> 01:00:31,039
could haply to see that. And
I was trying to think if Wilson on

1018
01:00:31,039 --> 01:00:34,920
the Bulls roster, and I forgot
that Lonzo Ball is of course still on

1019
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,280
this Bulls roster and holding up holding
one of their spots, but in a

1020
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,880
complete dead weight of twenty millions.
So I think I named everybody. So

1021
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,079
yeah, I think that nine is
a lock. I think, yeah,

1022
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:46,320
Iowa is probably will get minutes for
sure, and then after that we'll see

1023
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:51,760
you see about injuries. But Dylan
and Julian Phillips, I just don't expect

1024
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,239
to start the year in the rotation. It's like Dalen just such a project.

1025
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:58,039
So raw still and Phillips, I
think it's gonna be the same way.

1026
01:00:58,039 --> 01:01:00,000
So I think that tap ten makes
sense. I would asume Patrick Williams

1027
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,639
starts a power forward. I mean, I guess you can see maybe tour

1028
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,760
if Billy wants to go with a
veteran guy. But I mean, I

1029
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,599
think you need to start Pat at
the four and not Tory Craig and yeah,

1030
01:01:08,599 --> 01:01:10,840
and then I think the point guards
so will be interesting because I think

1031
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:15,199
Kobe like showed enough for I think
he could at least be in a battle

1032
01:01:15,239 --> 01:01:17,480
for the starting point guard spot this
season. Like I said, I don't

1033
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,480
think I need of these guys.
I would straight up give it to him,

1034
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,039
and you'd maybe you'd try some different
things out in training camp and preseason

1035
01:01:23,039 --> 01:01:27,679
and then make a decision from there
out of Crusoe, Carter and Kobe.

1036
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,119
This will of course be to some
extent matchup dependent, but what do you

1037
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:36,679
think ends up being their preferred closing
five? All Right, So, looking

1038
01:01:36,719 --> 01:01:39,920
at the starting lineup, like I
mentioned Carter starting, I would assume you

1039
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:45,400
would want Carusoe closing though, like
almost no matter what, just because I

1040
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,960
mean, he's the best, arguably
the best defensive guard in the league.

1041
01:01:49,599 --> 01:01:53,079
Like it's like him and Drew Holiday
and Marcus Smart basically again, but some

1042
01:01:53,159 --> 01:01:57,000
of it could depend on, just
like the matchups, how the game is

1043
01:01:57,039 --> 01:02:00,760
going, because they're again the Crusoe's
three offense can also hurt you at times,

1044
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:06,440
so like, so like would they
I mean, and I've assumed Pats.

1045
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,360
I mean the main three guys,
the mid three, Zach, Dumar

1046
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:13,760
and Booch. I'm probably gonna be
closing most games. So then it's Pat

1047
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,679
between Pat, Crusoe, Kobe and
Carter most likely for the most part.

1048
01:02:17,679 --> 01:02:21,239
Again, there there could be times
where if someone's riding the hot hand,

1049
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,360
you go with that or something like
that. But but then I would think

1050
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:27,320
it will be Pat. You're gonna
want him guarding some of the other team's

1051
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:34,400
best whatever big wing players, and
then Crusoe because he's already the best guard

1052
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,039
in defensive guard in the league.
So like, But I do think again,

1053
01:02:37,039 --> 01:02:38,719
if they're like there's situations where they
really need to shooting out there,

1054
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:43,280
I could see it being Carter or
Kobe. You could also, I mean,

1055
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,440
I could also would also not mind
seeing them like downsides at times.

1056
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:50,440
Again, Booch is having a rough
game, Uh, you put Park Booch's

1057
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,639
ass on the bench and maybe go
a bit smaller and have Pat like the

1058
01:02:52,679 --> 01:02:58,119
five because I mean, in general, Zach and DeMar not getting bench close

1059
01:02:58,199 --> 01:03:01,639
games. Booch maybe probab probably not
that like Zach and themar Socman. She's

1060
01:03:01,719 --> 01:03:06,119
like Zach got a benched one game
last year and it caused the whole rookus

1061
01:03:06,199 --> 01:03:07,840
and like I mean generally he's one
of your best players, like the Max

1062
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:12,760
guy, Like he's not gonna be
consistently sitting on the bench just not happenings.

1063
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,039
Like I think it's just gonna be
a mix and match around those three

1064
01:03:15,159 --> 01:03:22,199
of pet Caruso, Kobe and Jevon
Carter. Is there a weirdo quirky wonky

1065
01:03:22,239 --> 01:03:25,039
lineup you want to see them try? Yeah, so I guess I kind

1066
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:28,320
of mentioned the like play pad at
the five. I haven't mentioned this in

1067
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,840
the pod last year two playing Pad
at the five, but like I think

1068
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:36,719
we both had Patrick Williams at the
pod. Give me some like like I

1069
01:03:36,719 --> 01:03:38,800
don't know if you want to go
like a super all like wacky defensive lineup

1070
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:45,119
that's like Pat Caruso Carter. I
don't want if Craig and there Io Io

1071
01:03:45,199 --> 01:03:47,880
or Craig and then like you gonna
need to have any stacker tomorrow out there

1072
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:52,719
too, So like something like that, or you're just like super small but

1073
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:58,320
just like Hounding defensively with yeah,
with with Carter, with Crusoe, with

1074
01:03:58,519 --> 01:04:00,519
Craig or Io and something like that. And I would be interested to see

1075
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:05,400
how that kind of lineup would work. Yeah, and I think that's pretty

1076
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:09,599
I think maybe it might be the
most interesting. I don't think like any

1077
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:14,280
lineup with Booch would ever be like
super weird or interesting, and like it's

1078
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:18,039
probably just the smaller like yeah,
bizarro small, super small lineups and like

1079
01:04:18,159 --> 01:04:21,360
Pat's got I've there have been occasional
times where they've done that, but yeah,

1080
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:25,199
I feel like Patristens get better at
rebounding to be able to do that

1081
01:04:25,239 --> 01:04:27,760
from work studding periods. So this
is stuff you probably can only do for

1082
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,119
like super short periods of time,
and in certain matchups of other teams are

1083
01:04:30,159 --> 01:04:35,880
doing that. But so yeah,
super small defensive focus lineup with like one

1084
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:40,280
of your offensive stars to kind of
try to be the offensive hub. Would

1085
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,880
I think be my answer here?
That was literally mine, which is upsetting

1086
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:45,519
that we overlapped on Max. I
would have just had Patrick Williamsthing give me

1087
01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:48,440
Io Javon, I'll throw zach Lavine
in there, one of your stars,

1088
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:53,400
like you said, and then Alex
Caruzo. But I'd be interested to see,

1089
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,920
like what just happens if we throw
out the all guard lineup. It's

1090
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:00,079
like, right, Mars played four, he's about to play five. Then

1091
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:02,079
we'll throw Zack in there, and
then we'll have grown on out crusso io

1092
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:09,639
give me it. Yeah, So
as we record this, they're over under

1093
01:05:09,719 --> 01:05:14,039
is set at thirty seven point five. Would you hit the over the under

1094
01:05:14,119 --> 01:05:16,039
on that? And where do you
kind of see them stacking up in the

1095
01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:18,599
East? And I guess the easiest
way to do that would be, like,

1096
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:23,519
how many teams are you prepared right
now to say are better than the

1097
01:05:23,559 --> 01:05:29,960
bulls? Because I think that exercise
Milwaukee, Boston, Cleveland. I don't

1098
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:31,960
know how much deep rom willing to
go after that, Like Miami doesn't have

1099
01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:34,320
Dame, what the fuck's going on
in fail. I'm not think the bulls

1100
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:38,360
will be better than these teams,
but if I had to like stake my

1101
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:42,079
life on it, these teams will
be better than the bulls. I don't

1102
01:05:42,119 --> 01:05:45,440
know if I'd go more than three
or four teams deep, which again is

1103
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,039
more of a statement on how wide
open I feel like the East is right

1104
01:05:48,039 --> 01:05:51,639
now. Yeah, So for the
over under, I've already put one hundred

1105
01:05:51,639 --> 01:05:56,800
fifty dollars on them hitting the over, so okay, answers them to literally

1106
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:00,000
put your money where your mouth.
Yes, I did that several weeks ago,

1107
01:06:00,639 --> 01:06:03,280
thirty seven and a half. Just
so if they go under that number

1108
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:08,360
this year, that's absolutely embarrassing,
like the only way that and that's like

1109
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,079
whatever if they could there could be
injuries, and then if they do blow

1110
01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:13,840
it up. But like if they
try to win and stay relatively healthy this

1111
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:15,559
year and they don't get over thirty
seven and a half, that's absolutely embarrassing.

1112
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:18,280
That's an absolute joke. And that's
like the worst case scenario if they

1113
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,760
go like thirty six and forty six, like while trying to win, because

1114
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:26,280
then you're just in another like mid
lottery pick spot and then like what the

1115
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,280
hell are we even doing here?
I'm fairly confident. I mean, they

1116
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:31,800
won forty games last year with a
lot of bad clutch luck and some weird

1117
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:36,079
luck at the end of games with
like bad refereeing. Not saying that like

1118
01:06:36,159 --> 01:06:40,639
that absolves them of a lot of
their late game problems last season, but

1119
01:06:40,679 --> 01:06:44,960
they had. They went from like
having insane clutch like record luck record two

1120
01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:47,960
years ago and Tomorrow's doing this stuff
to last year like complete opposite. So,

1121
01:06:48,039 --> 01:06:51,360
like I know, they also were
kind of lucky injury wise last year

1122
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:55,880
outside Alonzo ball, like Pat played
I think all eighty two and Foods played

1123
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,599
all the two, Zach and Dabarma
played a lot. I would could see

1124
01:06:58,639 --> 01:07:00,559
the injury luck kind of coming back
on them this year, but still thirty

1125
01:07:00,559 --> 01:07:03,840
seven and a half is still just
like they just need to go over that

1126
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,840
with this team that they have,
like they still have some pretty good talent

1127
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:10,599
there. If there's any development at
all, and as long as there's no

1128
01:07:10,679 --> 01:07:13,880
like super damaging injuries, they should
go over that. I put my money

1129
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,079
where I'm out is I think they're
going over How much over do I think

1130
01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:18,119
they'll go? And like how do
they I think they stack up? In

1131
01:07:18,159 --> 01:07:23,639
the East? Me and Ricky went
through we have every year we go through

1132
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,960
like game by game. When the
schedule is released, we just go winter

1133
01:07:27,079 --> 01:07:30,719
loss going through each game in the
schedule. I think I was at forty

1134
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:35,159
two this year when I went through. I think I got over forty or

1135
01:07:35,199 --> 01:07:38,119
forty. I might have been forty
one or forty two, So it was

1136
01:07:38,159 --> 01:07:43,239
like again that was at least that's
over around five hundred. I would say

1137
01:07:43,239 --> 01:07:45,960
they could get in like the low
forties to low to mid forties would be

1138
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:49,400
like I think a reasonable scenario for
them to get best case scenario maybe mid

1139
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:53,760
forties to high forties if like every
everything goes right, Like I think they

1140
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:57,239
could win fifty if everything goes at
I just don't know if that's enough there.

1141
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,199
So then you look at the East
then like, yeah, boss in

1142
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,960
Milwaukee, even like Milwaukee might have
some problem, like you're worried about the

1143
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,599
Middleton stuff, Like, I mean
they still have your honest, Drew's still

1144
01:08:05,639 --> 01:08:09,320
really good as long as it's not
the play as long as its not playing

1145
01:08:09,519 --> 01:08:12,679
time. Yeah, it's still funny. How like this stuff he does in

1146
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:16,119
the regular season offensively just doesn't translate
and say, yeah, his like his

1147
01:08:16,239 --> 01:08:20,399
dip is really crazy. Anyways,
Boston and I feel like should probably be

1148
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,840
the favorite. I don't trust them. I think the Stop trade was a

1149
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,079
massive mistake, but they're going to
be better than the Bass. I mean

1150
01:08:26,079 --> 01:08:30,319
they're still there's really still really good. So like those two, I mean,

1151
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:34,359
Billy in Miami is just like who
the fuck knows right now, I

1152
01:08:34,359 --> 01:08:38,279
would still probably I mean embiad is
still awesome. It's like I would still

1153
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:42,560
probably bet on even whatever whatever happens
with Harden, even if he don says

1154
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,199
fat suit and comes in out of
shape and doesn't try and like gets the

1155
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:49,560
trade make a terrible trade. I
would still expect Philly to be better Miami

1156
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:53,439
would. I mean, Miami's weird
because they had touched a bad regular season

1157
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:58,960
bold almost beating who guys who are
valuable part of their rotation. I'm assuming

1158
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:00,880
they get Dame though, I am
I am as well, so like I

1159
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,920
would still probably say the Heat are
better. So what are we at?

1160
01:09:04,039 --> 01:09:11,800
Boston, Milwaukee, Philly? Still
probably them with four the Knicks, I

1161
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:15,520
would probably say there's still a little
better, do I am I super continent,

1162
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:19,640
They're like much better? Probably mentioned
Cleveland, so Cleveland, yes,

1163
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:24,159
definitely, So that's five. I
think what you get past like those five

1164
01:09:24,239 --> 01:09:27,239
and then probably the Knicks, then
you get to that mix of like Atlanta,

1165
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,239
Toronto, the Bulls, Indiana,
Orlando. Like you could tell me

1166
01:09:30,279 --> 01:09:34,039
like Blyn, Brooklyn, Yeah,
Brooklyn too. I think you could tell

1167
01:09:34,079 --> 01:09:38,079
me those teams could finish in like
any order they're from like whatever seven h

1168
01:09:38,119 --> 01:09:41,359
When is that twelve or thirteen?
And like I wouldn't be that surprise.

1169
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:45,239
I guess I'd be surprised the Bulls
finishing whatever twelve or thirteen, but unless

1170
01:09:45,239 --> 01:09:48,079
like it's a situation where they all
finished with like thirty eight thirty nine wins

1171
01:09:48,119 --> 01:09:50,720
and like they're all like right around
there because they know, like ESPN did

1172
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:54,840
there like projections Summer Projections a couple
of weeks ago, the Bulls were like

1173
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,680
eleventh with like thirty seven or thirty
eight wins, and he's like all these

1174
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:00,800
and like the seventh seed was,
It's like Atlanta at like forty one or

1175
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,760
forty two, Like, I think
those teams are probably gonna be super jumbled

1176
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,479
up. Could I see the Bulls
emerging like out of the top of that

1177
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:11,239
group, Yes, Could I see
them being towards the bottom also? Yes?

1178
01:10:11,279 --> 01:10:14,039
It was like Indiana should be really
interesting. I could see them taking

1179
01:10:14,039 --> 01:10:17,159
a jump forward. Orlando also interesting
with all their young guys. Toronto,

1180
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:20,640
I would I could see them taking
a step back, especially if they trade

1181
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:26,279
Pascal. They're like, don't really
believe in them after losing Thread either.

1182
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,560
And then like Atlanta is such a
weird team with with Train and they got

1183
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:36,159
Murray back and uh, what and
they traded you finally trade John Collins.

1184
01:10:38,039 --> 01:10:41,600
So all those teams, I feel
like they're gonna be super jumble and Brooklyn

1185
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,760
two is also just like, I
mean, my Col's pretty dope, Cam

1186
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:45,600
Jatson's pretty good. Like I feel
like I thought they were gonna be better

1187
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:49,079
than they were after those trades,
Like obviously, you trade Katie and Kyrie,

1188
01:10:49,079 --> 01:10:51,199
you're gonna be a lot worse.
Like I feel like they were just

1189
01:10:51,199 --> 01:10:55,640
not nearly as good as I thought
they might be, Like their whole wing

1190
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,199
thing just like didn't and my Cal
was awesome, but like they still just

1191
01:10:58,239 --> 01:11:00,279
weren't good, and like they were
not good in that playoff serious, Like

1192
01:11:00,359 --> 01:11:02,760
I don't I don't really believe in
them that much, but I think they'll

1193
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,199
be fine, They'll be all right. I think this has not helped,

1194
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:09,079
not helped by the fact that like
two games after the Also or like I

1195
01:11:09,079 --> 01:11:11,880
think coming out of the Also right, the Bulls beat them by like fifty

1196
01:11:12,039 --> 01:11:14,119
and I was just like, what
the hell's wrong with you guys? We

1197
01:11:14,119 --> 01:11:18,239
were embarrassingly bad? But yeah,
so like probably five teams for sure,

1198
01:11:18,319 --> 01:11:21,319
the Knicks I would still probably lean
as a yes, so like but like

1199
01:11:21,359 --> 01:11:25,560
could could I say, like the
Bulls swapping up and getting maybe six instead

1200
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:27,960
of the Knicks. I don't think
it's out of the question at least.

1201
01:11:28,399 --> 01:11:31,359
No, Uh, is there anything
else I didn't ask you or anything one

1202
01:11:31,399 --> 01:11:33,720
else? Do you feel like we
need to discuss before I let you go?

1203
01:11:35,359 --> 01:11:39,159
I don't think. I mean,
maybe, like the zach lavine stuff,

1204
01:11:39,159 --> 01:11:43,560
I guess is kind of just his
situation is just because he was kind

1205
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,159
of like, it's interesting that we
really haven't heard Damar trade rumors, but

1206
01:11:46,199 --> 01:11:49,560
we heard like the Zach stuff,
like they put Oh, they're they're looking

1207
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:54,159
at the market for zach lavine,
but they're holding it whatever really high,

1208
01:11:54,199 --> 01:11:58,199
asking for as they should. I
do think Zach is kind of underrated at

1209
01:11:58,199 --> 01:12:01,199
this point. I get why he
is, just because you play in the

1210
01:12:01,239 --> 01:12:05,119
league this long and you've won one
playoff game and one playing game in your

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01:12:05,159 --> 01:12:08,920
career, people are just gonna be
People are just gonna be like, you're

1212
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:11,279
just not that good if you can't
whatever you put off these numbers, but

1213
01:12:11,279 --> 01:12:13,479
like your team sucks, like you're
just not that good. So I get

1214
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:17,239
it to a degree. Like the
first years of Zach and Chicago were a

1215
01:12:17,319 --> 01:12:19,920
joke with the team around him,
and you had Jim Boyle and all that

1216
01:12:20,039 --> 01:12:24,199
mess, and then like you finally
actually bring in some real players and they

1217
01:12:24,199 --> 01:12:26,760
were actually good. But then he
hurts his knee. They won forty six

1218
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,079
games. But then he hurts his
knee and you get stomped out and Lonzo

1219
01:12:29,119 --> 01:12:30,800
gets hurt and he gets stamped out
by the Bucks. And then last season,

1220
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:33,840
like Zach started the year with the
knee issue, but then like you

1221
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,159
look at the back half again,
I know, like I mentioned before,

1222
01:12:36,199 --> 01:12:39,920
like this back half of the season
you can always look at. But like

1223
01:12:40,079 --> 01:12:44,119
Zach himself, I think the way
just with the injury, like he was

1224
01:12:44,199 --> 01:12:47,680
legitimately awesome, Like from like maybe
the first month or two in he was

1225
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:51,520
great, and like I feel like
people's overlooked his how insane he is efficiency

1226
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:56,520
efficiency wise, on high volume as
a scorer. And he had an awesome

1227
01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:00,319
game against the Raptors besides jard yard
Rose and it was Zach Lavine who won

1228
01:13:00,359 --> 01:13:01,960
them that game. Basically, he
was terrible against the heat, which is

1229
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:06,159
so unfortunate that he was brutal and
Jimmy Butler whooped their ass in that game.

1230
01:13:06,239 --> 01:13:09,680
Although I'm still a big Jimmy Butler
guy. I love Jimmy and they

1231
01:13:10,279 --> 01:13:13,600
should never have traded him. But
that's a whole other topic. So,

1232
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:16,039
like I do think Zach's underrated at
this point, and I'm curious just what

1233
01:13:16,279 --> 01:13:19,159
it does not seem like teams are
on the league believe in him at all

1234
01:13:19,239 --> 01:13:23,439
because and it seems like there was
no team like out there like willing to

1235
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:27,239
trade much for him. I don't
think it's ever really been reported like if

1236
01:13:27,239 --> 01:13:30,319
they got the offers they got because
they know, like the Knicks of whatever,

1237
01:13:30,359 --> 01:13:32,159
there's been the Knicks stuff out there, and like the Bulls are asking

1238
01:13:32,199 --> 01:13:34,800
for I can't remember what they were
asking for, like a couple of draft

1239
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:38,880
picks, maybe a good young player. He's like I mean, you look

1240
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,840
at Zach and you look at some
of his like Peers, the Bookers obviously

1241
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:44,279
leveled up, Like Bookers better than
at this point, no doubt, like

1242
01:13:44,319 --> 01:13:47,960
Murray what he did in the in
the in the on this this last championship

1243
01:13:48,039 --> 01:13:50,920
run, like leveling up, you
win a championship, like you're gonna be

1244
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:54,920
above him. But then like I
mean, like Mitchell, like Mitchell obviously

1245
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:58,520
has had some big playoff games,
but like it is like Zach and Mitchell

1246
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,159
like that different. I don't know
about that. Like Mitchell's probably maybe a

1247
01:14:01,239 --> 01:14:04,000
little better. I know he had
a seventy point game me against the Bulls

1248
01:14:04,079 --> 01:14:09,159
or whatever that was, and that
was super embarrassing to watch. Was that

1249
01:14:09,279 --> 01:14:13,159
seven? That was seventy right?
They score seventy three that game? Let

1250
01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:17,880
me see, Nonovan Mitchell dropped what
we dropped? It was seventy one.

1251
01:14:18,319 --> 01:14:20,600
Seventy one, Yeah, and that
was against the Bulls. Like brutal,

1252
01:14:21,119 --> 01:14:26,279
but like, yeah, some of
these other guys like like like Bradley Beale

1253
01:14:26,319 --> 01:14:29,000
as well, Like I know Bradley
Beal just got traded for absolutely nothing,

1254
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:32,119
but kind of a more unique situation
there. So like like does if the

1255
01:14:32,199 --> 01:14:35,800
zact like trademarkt Like I feel like
teams should be willing to trade that stuff

1256
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:39,479
for exactly like whatever, like the
Heat, like I mentioned, like if

1257
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:42,279
they, like I do think they're
gonna get Dame. But like Zach would

1258
01:14:42,319 --> 01:14:45,479
be awesome on the heat, Like
they would should absolutely be willing to trade

1259
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:49,640
like close whatever they're trading for day. They should have to trade everything for

1260
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:54,159
Dame if like it was in a
just world, like they should have to

1261
01:14:54,199 --> 01:14:57,520
if they they Zach would be a
great other option for them, Like Zach

1262
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:00,680
would be a great option for like
the Sixers if they wanted try to replace

1263
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:02,920
Harden, Like Zach should be wanted
by a lot of teams, but it

1264
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:06,239
just doesn't seem like there's that much
interest in him, or at least just

1265
01:15:06,279 --> 01:15:11,079
not that much interested would give up
a lot for him. And like the

1266
01:15:11,119 --> 01:15:14,439
contract, he's whatever, five years, two hundred fifteen million, where the

1267
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,600
cap is going up. That's not
that bad and it's not bad. Yeah,

1268
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:20,560
people, it doesn't even univer to
see that. It's not bad.

1269
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:26,319
It's the contract score is that wherever
an all star caliber players and with the

1270
01:15:26,359 --> 01:15:30,239
cap going up and we're seeing Jaalen
Brown U, I mean even that like

1271
01:15:30,319 --> 01:15:32,479
that comparison, like Zach first,
Jalen Brown likes Jalen Brown's not making five

1272
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:36,439
has a five year three million contra
Zach's five two fifteen and like Zach is

1273
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:42,119
probably right there as a player like
a similar tier at least maybe maybe Jalen's

1274
01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:45,399
a little better. Obviously the team's
success helps there with him. So like

1275
01:15:45,079 --> 01:15:47,840
some I think Zach is is underrated
at this point, and like I feel

1276
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,479
if I feel like you see like
some player rankings out there and just like

1277
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:56,079
and Zach's just like not that high
and I'm just like, I mean,

1278
01:15:56,079 --> 01:15:58,159
I get again, I get it
to a degree, just because the Bulls

1279
01:15:58,199 --> 01:16:00,199
from that one. He's not a
top dog. He still makes too many

1280
01:16:00,199 --> 01:16:03,760
mistakes, like in crunch time,
like I don't always really trust him with

1281
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:08,159
the ball in his hands, like
they brought in DeMar to like to be

1282
01:16:08,279 --> 01:16:10,600
more of the adult in the room. In the room and crunch time,

1283
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:15,159
the sex sometimes goes bozo mode and
crunch time, but again not being a

1284
01:16:15,239 --> 01:16:18,399
number one like alpha guy, like
that's it hppens whatever, not everyone's like

1285
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:21,720
that guy. He's not DeMar's in
those situations. He's not. He's not

1286
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:25,560
as good as Jimmy Butler. But
he's still a really damn good player.

1287
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:29,840
And like the contract is fine now
with the way the cabs going up,

1288
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,279
so like I am just curious,
like if if things do go bad this

1289
01:16:32,359 --> 01:16:35,039
year for the Bulls and they do
look to blow things up, like and

1290
01:16:35,079 --> 01:16:39,000
they put Zach on the block again, I'm curious see like what teams water

1291
01:16:39,039 --> 01:16:42,239
for him, because I feel like
good teams if you're looking for an upgrade

1292
01:16:42,279 --> 01:16:44,640
and a guy to be like your
number two or number three guy should be

1293
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,439
willing to offer a decent amount,
but as of right now, it doesn't

1294
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:49,479
seem like the appetite is out there
to make a big offer. And if

1295
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,520
that's the case, like the Bulls
should not trade him. They should not

1296
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:55,239
just dump him to dump him to
get off his salary. Was there was

1297
01:16:55,279 --> 01:16:58,840
also like another talking point I saw
like an NBA twitter this years, Oh,

1298
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:00,520
they just need to get rid of
his ex contract and like be whatever

1299
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,119
they could take like a first round
pick for him and like salary relief,

1300
01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:05,359
Like nope, what is that,
gonn how is that going to help you

1301
01:17:05,399 --> 01:17:08,880
at all? I try, you
know whatever, if you like try to

1302
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,960
tank like you could take with Zach
Lavine on a team. It's like he's

1303
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,439
just not a number one guy,
and it's like he's not gonna like raise

1304
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:17,640
your he doesn't really raise I guess
the floor much. But I feel like

1305
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:20,399
you can raise your ceiling if you
have the right the right guys around it.

1306
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:23,359
I don't think I might have totally
said that wrong, but like,

1307
01:17:25,159 --> 01:17:28,560
yeah, I like number two or
the number three guys, he's gonna raise

1308
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:30,720
your ceiling. Yeah, And like
you need good Number two is the number

1309
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:33,560
three is to win championships, and
like, Zach could be a really valuable

1310
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:39,800
one for a lot of teams.
But again, like and I do wonder

1311
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:43,039
if the trade market is kind of
if it's kind of coming back now.

1312
01:17:43,039 --> 01:17:46,479
Obviously we had such ridiculous trades with
with Katie and with Rudy Gobert, and

1313
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:50,199
like Mitch the Mitchell was a lot
the murder, Like that's another one I

1314
01:17:50,239 --> 01:17:54,600
always look at, Like it was
who the Hawks gave up with three first

1315
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:56,600
to get him or something like that. They gave up e lever Man and

1316
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:58,640
true Holiday back in the day.
It was a lot too. But like

1317
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:01,239
I do wonder if teams are not
not as willing to maybe make those kinds

1318
01:18:01,239 --> 01:18:05,119
of trade offers for not a top
top flight guy like that Katie, you

1319
01:18:05,199 --> 01:18:09,640
get it, so like maybe they're
just like Zack and they see Zach and

1320
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:12,159
like they see a good but really
good but flawed player. It's like,

1321
01:18:12,159 --> 01:18:15,680
we're not gonna we're not gonna go
all in with like all our draft picks

1322
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:17,560
here and make this type of trade. And like, if teams aren't willing

1323
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:20,199
to do it, like the Bulls
should just keep them and kind of see

1324
01:18:20,239 --> 01:18:25,000
where things go. With them.
Jason, this was great. As per

1325
01:18:25,079 --> 01:18:27,319
usual, you're able to just tell
our listeners where they can find you and

1326
01:18:27,359 --> 01:18:30,239
all the great work that you do. Ye As we mentioned before, Twitter

1327
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:32,279
or the place formally knows it.
Notice Twitter or you want to call it,

1328
01:18:32,319 --> 01:18:34,840
I don't like calling it x screw
that. You can follow me at

1329
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:43,000
Bulls Underscore. Jay mentioned my podcast
Cash Considerations, a Chicago bulls podcast that's

1330
01:18:43,039 --> 01:18:45,600
with my co host Rokio Donald.
We usually have episodes at least once a

1331
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:48,079
week. When the season starts up, we try to do it a little

1332
01:18:48,119 --> 01:18:50,800
bit more, but at least once
a week weekly. We'll probably have a

1333
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:55,159
new pod coming up here later this
week as well. In addition to this,

1334
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:59,399
and then I mentioned the matching enter
at Clutch Points. Don't do much

1335
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,920
writing my off there, but we
cover everything over there. It'll be tons

1336
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:06,479
of NBA coverage. If you don't
know Clutch Points. We have crazy images,

1337
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,760
but we also do a lot of
editorial content, a lot of great

1338
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:13,319
social content. Clutch Points we also
do a lot of editorial content as well,

1339
01:19:13,399 --> 01:19:16,960
so go check that out too.
It's basically it thank you so much

1340
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,199
for having me again. So it
was a pleasure. Always love to coming

1341
01:19:19,239 --> 01:19:23,000
out of its punch bowls. Oh
for sure. Thank you so much for

1342
01:19:23,039 --> 01:19:25,279
coming back on it. Now you
go by, Now I will be besting

1343
01:19:25,319 --> 01:19:27,720
you to get into futures. Love
it.