Weird things happened in Weird Weird weird. Welcome, No what I'm looking for
my camera? Like doctor Stephen Rule, We're in a new situation here,
but uh, welcome to episode one, and we're going to actually talk about
the topic that we said we would two episodes ago on the last day of
class episodes. All right, y'all, it's been crazy. It has been
crazy. So we just wrapped up week eight of remodeling the house, and
on top of that, we've like been flying by the seat of our freaking
pants, you know, to keep the show going. And this chaos is
coming to a close. Yeah. Yeah, it's been a little tough,
but hey man, we're rolling with the punches. We're doing it. And
now we're going to bring you a heater of an episode about omens. Yeah,
what was the why did we choose to do an episode about omens?
Well, it was a few weeks ago we were talking about this topic or
no, no, talking about like what you know, topic do we want
to do? And me and Jenny were writing home from Fayetteuil to Wilmington,
and I think I mentioned this on a previous episode, but then we didn't
go in depth, or maybe I haven't brought it up at all, but
there's this Casey Musgrave song that came out recently. Jenny's a big fan,
and I think it's called Cardinal. Yeah. Well, didn't Jenny talk about
that on her episode? Maybe we did? Yeah she did, Maybe we
did, Alex, I can see you now, Yeah, what's I just
realized I can see him? Oh my god? Okay, sorry, she
talked about that on her episode, right right, correct? And then like
the whole cardinal. Let me it's really cool, man, Let me pull
up the lyrics because it's then I'm gonna get what happened to the you know
with the cardinal. Yeah, it was that whole thing. And then I
learned, uh, maybe, gosh, this must have it's probably almost a
year now. I learned about the whole cardinal like symbolism meaning because sadly,
my brother's dog passed away. It was so sad, and like the next
day, uh, they saw a cardinal right outside the window in the morning,
in the spot that their dog used to lay down every day. And
that's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. My brother text me and was like,
Yo, what is like the is there any kind of significance or something to
seeing a cardinal, which is crazy that my brother would ask me that,
you know, like it's not his wheelhouse, it's not what he's been interested
in like ever. But I guess, like, you know, we we
had some we had some pretty deep conversations, me and Robbie, like deeper
than we've ever had, and I think it just peaked his curiosity, so
right, But yeah, yeah, it's supposed to symbolize like like past loved
ones, like bringing you a message or something to that effect. Right,
That's what I've gathered. Yeah, And I do want to make it clear,
like I've I've always been very interested in signs and omens as a concept,
like I take them very seriously and at very stressful points in my life.
I've always observed animal omens. I remember being like nineteen or twenty and
I'm driving home and I was going through something serious at the time, and
a deer like ran out in front of a car on a highway eighty seven
or a like past like it was just like right on the road or something,
and I thought it was really weird because I've never seen deer eight out
there an eighty seven out in Grays Creek. Yeah, you know what I'm
talking about like it's not common seeing deer out there, not on eight down
towards Wilmington. You know that's right common, right. I just thought it
was like the sticks of Gray's Creek. You see him everywhere, Like yeah,
but on eighty seven. I've seen one in my life on eighty seven.
I just I thought it was weird, and I went home and I
told Dad, and he was like, you always pay attention to animals,
and you know, he just every little thing like that grown up he's you
know, always pay attention to animals. God talks us through animals. So
I've always been like interested in it, But then lately Jenny's been really interested
in it because of his song. So I wanted to read the lyrics real
quick. It's called Cardinal. I saw the sign or an omen on the
branches in the morning. It was right after I lost a friend without warning
words unsaid scarlet red Cardinal. Are you bringing me a message from the other
side? Are you telling me on somebody's I'm on somebody's mind, don't leave
me behind. I took a walk in the city to clear my head for
a moment, turn my collar to the wind on the street. It was
blowing and there he was above my head. Cardinal, are you bringing me
a message from the other side? I'm a skip a few repeat lyrics.
Are you just watching and waiting for spring? Do you have some kind of
magic to bring pretty bird? Skip? Repeat lyrics, and then it basically
repeats for the rest of the song. But yeah, that's literally like the
Native American kind like lore of it is that it's like a loved one who
has passed and is like bringing you a message from the beyond. So that
got my wife talking to me about cardinals and omens and signs. It's just
something that privately we you know. And also there was a time a few
months ago before that song came out that I was going through something pretty serious
and a bird just like flew headfirst into our window. And I've always heard
that that's like a serious omen or whatever. And anyway, so that day,
that Sunday that we were driving home from Fayetteville a few weeks ago,
and we were like, what do we talk about? What kind of episode
do we do? A cardinal freaking nose died into our car windshield and splat
and died. Jenny's freaking out, She's crying and we're like I was literally
like, dude, it's an omen, like this is an omen for something.
And then you know, we're driving down the road and like I think
at different points, like three different cardinals like swooped right in front of our
car, and we were just like, okay, let's talk about omens.
You know, yeah, so what is that supposed to mean? Do you
have any like inkling of what that, like a bird slamming into your car
is supposed to mean. I don't. I've always heard it's like when a
bird crashes into a window that it's actually a good sign, that it's something
about like not for the bird, right, Yeah, of course, yeah,
rip man, rip, rip, my brothers and sisters, rip to
a real one and rip the head off as it crashes. That what I
mean, and just split right into the window. Rest in peace, Jesus
Christ. There's something morbid about like a bird slamming as hard as it can
into your window and dying, perishing, Oh dude. And then you're like
that's good luck. You're like, oh, something great's gonna happen this week.
Do that thing's probably flying like eighty miles an hour or something like that.
Hold up eighty miles an hour. I mean, I don't know how
fast they died. If a bald eagle dove and hit your window, baby,
what do I know? Man? Apparently Okay, a bunch of dumb
nothing. Side note. Have you ever seen a real falcon punch? Have
you? Like from Smash Well? I mean, I mean, dude,
falcons do this when they dive, They go like stupid insanely fast and like
bigger falcons will hunt smaller birds and they will zip down through the sky and
like hit, just hitting them at that speed, the little bird will like
disintegrate. Then what are they gonna eat? Just they probably grab the scraps
in mid air. Yeah, it's like a real falcon punch. It makes
like a like a loud noise too. That's insane. Yeah, I'm gonna
have to put you on game. I'll show you some videos. Yeah,
I like the one when the pictures throwing the ball and it hits the bird.
Oh no, I mean it's terrible. That Oh my god. It's
good luck though, right yeah, right, I don't know, but I
I I I I read that a bird, you know, flying into the
window just in general, is like good luck, prosperity, a Bond.
It's I think like a lot of people are like, you know, animal
omens are bad. It's like you see it in movies all the time,
like it's foreboding. Like I think of Harry Potter because I grew up consuming
so much Harry Potter. And in the third book it's like he sees the
black dog. It's an omen of death. And then they're like reading the
tea leaves and it's like death. Yeah, like all these omens are death.
It's darkness. Yeah, but I don't I don't think about it like
that. No, Traditionally, like historically, it's not. They're not all
for bad things. It's like it's low key, like an early early version
of like scrying. Yeah, it's it's kind of like like we we'll we'll
talk about it in a little bit like the history stuff. But early on
it was it was just like a way to try and read the future,
like see the future and then and so like the early the people who started
doing it like thousands of years ago, which were I believe that, Yeah,
the Mesopotamians. It looks like those that's like the earliest recorded examples.
That's like the earliest recorded people, right, right, Yeah, they were
doing it like there's like an active way to do it, which is like
you know, like incense, like reading the smoke, or like reading bones,
Yes, when they throw bones and the patterns. Yeah, oil and
water love that kind of stuff. Yeah, I love that kind of it's
sick and oil and water. Those are like active ways that they used to
read omens. And then there's the passive stuff, which is just the stuff
that happens and then they interpret it like what I was talking about, something
crashing in the window, Yes, something like just the stuff that just happens
on its own. Right. Yeah, we got some news for you guys,
an announcement of sorts for the listener for y'all. The Lighthouse is on
HBO oh Sweets streaming for free right now, let's get I plan on watching
it. But it got me thinking, oh, yeah, you guys got
me thinking about them seagulls. Yeah, wait, you haven't You still haven't
seen it. I haven't seen it, but I know a lot about seagulls.
Well, can I tell you a spoiler? I mean you kind of
did that a whole episode about it. We did a whole episode about it
about seagulls are about the movie about the lighthouse and about seagulls. Okay,
well, I'll share my seagull fact after go ahead. Well that it's actually
kind of a big plot point of the movie. Is that like that he
says it many times, it's bad luck to kill a seabird. He says
it many many times. It's the souls of dead sailors. Is that what
you were going to say? Well, it's also bad luck if they get
inside your boat. Oh really found that out from a sailor. Actually,
if a bird gets inside your boat, that's bad luck. Birds and bananas.
That was the other one. I was just about to say, there's
a bunch of like boat omens and you showed nis, Yeah, you showed
me some video recently or something where somebody had a banana on a boat.
Maybe maybe sounds like me. There's all kinds of boat related on that,
right, the banana. I don't really know the bananas for sure, but
I think it goes back to like bananas spoil quickly and then they spoil whatever
is around them. So I think that kind of all has to do with
it, and that they wouldn't make the seafair. So yeah, yeah,
I have a cool little description of omens. If you want to hear it,
m h, I do, Are you sure? Yeah? Okay,
thank you for entertaining me. I'm absolutely sure. Okay. As with all
aspects of symbolist thought, the concept of the omen has expressed itself at widely
varying levels of sophistication. At their subtlest, omens exist in a world where
the boundaries between past, present, and future are permeable. Influences of past
conditions or events still echo within the present, while from the other direction,
what is to come sends ripples into the now, like the bow waves preceding
an advancing boat back to boats. I am loving this the boat episode.
Hence, the phenomenal play of each moment represents the complex blending of symbolic influences
from all three dimensions of time, with those from the future designated as omens.
Coming events cast their shadow before them. Wow, you know what I'm
saying. And that's a deep quote. Man. That's got me pondering.
It's got me philosophizing, but taking a better times me you Alex on a
boat in the future, man, just sitting on the island with alcohol free,
my ties and bananas, banana free all right, you know, yeah,
banana free man and just thinking about life and death man. All right,
I've got a wild abstract thought for you guys. Okay, because all
this boat talk boat travel and more specifically plane travel is interesting because I'm thinking
about this analogy, right, you were, like when you're flying long distance,
especially, you're not where you took off, You're not where you landed.
So you're not in the past and you're not in the future, and
you're not really in the present. You're kind of in this void because you're
constantly moving towards what you're it's so very I don't know, maybe I'm looking
way too deep into it. No, that is a cool abstract thought though.
It's like you're kind of forced your your physical surroundings are forcing you to
be literally in the present moment, like while you're in that transit, that
interim of travel or whatever. There is something kind of cosmic about that a
little bit. It's like you're kind of lost in the void. Yes,
you're not where you were and you're not where you're going. It reminds me
of like the ferry man, Like what was the was the name of the
ferryman from Greek mythology, Kan Sharon, I don't know how to say cha
r o, yes, yeah, how he like shepherds the souls, like
he rides the sick boat through the underworld and shit, and like shepherd's the
soul boat. I know, it's all I'm peggybacking off you. You want
to hear a cool boat story. Yes, My grandfather, Papa Tad when
he so he suddenly died of a heart attack in December, on December third
of twenty thirteen, and a year and a half before that he almost died
from he had extreme like septic poisoning. You know, wow what that is,
right? Yes, yeah, and he basically died from that, but
they were able to you know, recover him and whatnot. But it was
so severe that year and a half period before he eventually died that he was
going through all this just crazy surgery and like these near death states of consciousness
and all this anesthesia and things like that. And something he told my dad
was that he basically died and went to the other side and he saw him
and like other souls like on a boat. No, and that is like
how the Egyptians described the afterlife, right, yeah, like in did you
watch God. What was that show? What's that show? Moon Night?
Yeah, they showed that in the show they have that huge like arc.
The show was cool. It was great. I liked it though, like
a lot of the New or Marvel stuff is kind of stinky poopy. Yeah,
that one was pretty cool. Moon Night was was sweet. Yeah,
they showed they showed that whole thing and then like there were a bunch of
Egyptian gods in that show. That show was cool. That show was really
cool. Yeah, yeah, I got some more. A systematic method for
identifying omens employed by traditional cultures to foretell the future was to carefully observe the
symbols occurring around the beginning of any major development, whether a personal relationship,
a public works project, or even an idea. This belief might be referred
to as the law of conception. So, like, the idea, is
that the real important stuff as it's being conceived, Yes, some sort of
omen will occur, dude, I fully believe that. Yeah. Understood esoterically,
the context surrounding a phenomenon's birth holds the seeds of its unfoldment and eventual
outcome, provided one knows how to interpret their symbolic language. So it's like
the energy is all hyper FOI. It's like I like that description. The
seeds or the context surrounding a phenomenon's birth holds the seeds of its unfoldment and
eventual outcome. I love this. I love that we're doing this episode because
I feel like in media, in pop culture and whatnot, omens are typically
portrayed as like scary and evil. Yes, I mean there's literally there's a
horrimitally literally a movie called The omen that is about the freaking it's He's the
Antichrist. Oh shit, Oh that's the one where the kid's born with the
six six six on his forehead. I don't remember if he has. I
saw it when I was like, it's like a birthmark. I thought,
yeah, sixty six or something. I think you're it's an older movie.
Well, there's a remake that came out when we were I saw the remake.
But I'm just saying, like, anything you see about omens is so
dark and scary, But I feel like it's not. I feel like it's
just the way the spirit world communicates, you know, Yes, it's just
messages the thing. I see it that way I see any sort of communication
from nature from animals, from the spirit world, numbers whatever, I see
it all like under the wide stroke of omens. But so the thing that
got me, I know, we're bouncing around here, and that quote was
really really sick. But I wanted to drop something on you drop it.
So my dad was all, you know, he didn't use the word omen.
I kind of came to that on my own, but he was always
telling me about animals growing up, and we've had some really weird experiences with
animals, like, oh yeah, downright, just weird stuff. There's lots
of them. Yeah. And in twenty fifteen, I was put on to
this really fascinating ancient African tribe that even five thousand years ago had advanced knowledge
and they were the Dogon tribe. And the thing about the Dogon is that
they were like this shamanic elders. They had like a shamanic elder system where
the elder of the village supposedly was communicating with these light beings who he claimed
that they came from the Star series and they would give all these messages.
Didn't what am I misremembering or didn't they describe some sort of like ship or
vessel or something. I'm not sure about that. They described a bunch of
a bunch of stuff that holds true in today's scientific terms, like particles and
waves and things like that. Like they had a different idea of like the
four elements like fire, air, water, earth. I can't remember it
off the top of my head, but each of those four elements symbols had
like different meanings about reality, like particles, waves, you know, et
cetera, et cetera. And something that they said that really resonated with me
was that the spirits. Right, if we think about the phenomenon, you
know, the beings or whatever, it's all one. I mean, these
these beings that we're all seeing, these you know, the lights in the
sky, the orbs whatever, they're not spaceships there, They're beings. They're
they're like spirits. Yeah, they're literally like the spirits. And if we
think about it in how they describe it, I mean, it just totally
makes sense. And they said that this the beings, the spirits, they
communicate through animal signs, through nature, that they can manipulate time at a
very fractional not that they like manipulate time, but rather that they vibrate at
such a rate faster than us because they exist in a twin dimension and that
they can they can't just pop out all the time and be like boom boo,
you know. But like you know, they give us signs and omens
from the other side, like kind of you know, jiggle a particle here
that makes a wave of effects happen. That like to us is like this
profound you know, synchronicity or omen or whatever, and that includes animals.
So when I read that, I was like, dang that, I think
I believe in omens now. You know. Well, it's it's like that
other quote about the ripple, the like the what was it a moving ship?
An advancing boat? What is to come? Since ripples into the now
like the bow way proceeding in advancing boat. It's like, so as we
understand it, like the spirit these spirits, these spiritual beings, they exist
outside of our dimensions, including time. You know, they don't experience time
the same way that we do. They're outside of that entirely. And so
yeah, they could interact. It's like they could interact with past president and
future simultaneously in whatever way that they wish to to relay those messages to us
and to the other thing and as far as like the them communicating through animals
thing like, it's all consciousness, right, right, what are they going
to do start like influencing like humans? Like, no, that's that breaks
the whole free will thing, right, Yeah, that's like possession exactly.
It's it's like borderline kind of scary. But like you know, animals,
while they have consciousness like us, it's like a different level of it.
And so that would be to me the natural explanation of why they would use
nature. They are nature. Spirit is natural. It's the fifth element,
right, you know, like spirit in many cultures at least I think the
best quota system of a down. Yes, spirit moves through all things.
Yeah, Spirit moves through all things. Yeah deep when you think about it,
man, No, it really is. Yeah, I think it's all.
It's all messages from from another place, another time, you know,
and where they they kind of they kind of find their way into the now
and into our surroundings, give us messages from the beyond. Yeah, So
recently Dad and I were out skywatching. I say recently it was it was
it could have been like close to a year ago at this point. Actually,
I remember what it was. It was right before the History Channel episode
came out, or maybe right after. It was sometime this past August,
and we were sitting outside at night skywatching and for the first time in my
entire life, it was like this blood curdling moment. We're sitting out there
and then we hear this coyote, probably thirty to fifty feet away from us,
just give off this blood curdling howl while we're seeing orbs, you know,
and there was something, there was some sort of communication going on at
the moment that was significant. I can't remember what it was at the time,
but it was something that we were you know, hoping for, you
know, praying about something of that nature. And the whole coyote thing was
so strange. Dude, my dad is sixty two years old, and he's
like his hair was standing up on his arms. He was like, dude,
I've lived in North Carolina my whole life. I've never heard of coyote
like that near my house, you know. And there's just been so many
strange moments like throughout my life where you know, I'm driving down the road
and just a few months ago, me and Jenny were driving home from the
Rightsful Beach area and a literal, full size coyote walks out and stops in
front of our car on a military cutoff Alex like busy traffic road in the
middle of the franking city. Just like coyote just walks out and stops and
looks at us as we're driving, like in the middle of the road,
and then trots off. We're like, what the there are a bunch of
coyotes around here? Oh yeah, really? Oh you want to talk yoats
yeah? Oh yeah, we already yeah. No. The problem is they
keep cutting down more trees for new apartments because apparently we got plenty of room
for new apartments. And on your shoulder about that. Oh I'm pissed.
Actually, I don't want to get into it, but it might affect my
running from mayor in the future. But I vote for you. Yeah no,
I mean I hope, I hope I got two votes. At least
you think about it. It's based on your behavior, okay, yeah,
well, as I'll vote for you, thanks out of principle, because then
we'll be crooked together. You give me a underhanded deal, like you know,
I'll give you extra spot in your lawn on the neighbors problem. I
want it depends on behavior. Shit. So no, we're basically driving these
coyotes out of their habitats. But the problem is also that they're not invasive,
but they're considered pest. Well, I mean, they're one of those
animals that like kills everything. Right, I'm pretty sure. I haven't really
looked into it. I just know the laws of when you can shoot them.
When were we just talking about that? Was it on an episode or
no? You don't remember now, I remember the conversation. I don't remember
what we were doing. What we were doing. What we were doing was
Alex just brought it up because he wanted to talk about it. It wasn't
on the show. No, we were just hanging out and he's just started
talking about it. I don't have to go into detail, Alex. Well,
you could go in as much detail as you want, all right,
cool. So we were just all chilling one day. This was like a
couple of weeks ago or something. I don't regret saying that. Out of
nowhere, Alex just starts talking about how he wants to camp out on his
roof with a gun and wait for coyotes. Oh wait, no, a
vital deis that's right? What were you gonna lure them night vision? Oh
I thought you were going to lure them with like chickens or something. Yeah,
oh yeah, that was right. Well, No, I want the
chickens because I remember, I remember we were talking about chickens, because we
were talking about how cool it would be to have like a farm or like
whatever. Alex just goes, yeah, I want chickens too, so that
I can lure coyotes into my yard and sit on my roof with night vision
goggles and shoot them. Isn't that right? Isn't that right? He's a
vigilante. Yeah, he thinks, Wayne, I'm saving my chickens by day.
He's running. No, no, no, no, no, no,
no no, you're not saving your chickens. You're purchasing chickens so that
you murder coyotes for the eggs. But that's not what you said for the
eggs. No, what you said it was it was to lure the coyotes.
No, I I did say it that way, but lying, No,
I did say I said that exactly. But the reality is is that
they're gonna come. I want the chickens because I want the eggs, and
I don't want I don't want the coyotes to take my fried chicken. Okay,
all right, Alex, Yeah, we'll go with that. It is
nice to have, Okay, damn cradle jiggling eggs. I'm gonna glaze right
past that. And then when I come in here with a full coyote first
jacket and a full coyotes with the hood and it's the coyote hood head on
my head and it's got his fangs, gonna be jealous. No, we're
not. Are you gonna make that yourself? I want a coyote scarf.
I'm just wrong with y'all. It's actually wrong with It's just the I was
taking the tongue. What what? Oh my god, I don't be I
retired my hunting career long ago, man, Alex. I've never hunted.
Actually, I've gone coyote hunting one time. You didn't see any at all.
No, we had a bluetooth speaker. We were playing injured small animal
noises and we were just sitting in the field watching this bluetoo speaker. They're
smart. I mean they're dogs, you know, and that's kind of makes
makes you feel a little bad about it. But they're smart. And then
what they'll do is they travel in packs, and if they have this possible
prey, they will circle it because at some point in that circle, they'll
be down wind and they'll be able to smell. So if I was standing
too close inside that circle, they would eventually smell that human scent and basically
be like, Nah, that is smart. Yeah, they're mean, they're
dogs. It's like they're just like wild dogs. Yeah. Yeah, they're
big too, man, they can get big, big dude. When I
was a kid, when I was like probably around ten or so, uh,
my dad, for like no joke, like probably three or four years
straight, would he was like keeping tabs on this wild coyote that was roaming
around Fayetteville, not Hope Mills, Fayetteville weird like in the city. And
he named him Cody the Coyote, and he would literally go to China Garden.
Remember China Garden. Yeah, he would go to China Garden like at
least once a week to get us Chinese food for dinner. And he would
I thought you were talking about the coyote coyotes going to China. I'd give
him chickens, man. I put coyote sweet and sour chickens. Yeah,
I put Cody the coyote on my back and took him to China Garden.
I thought he went to the I honestly, in my head was going that
coyotes going to the dumpster of the China food. Oh. No, it's
worse than that. My dad would buy him food. Was a coyote.
Yes, he would buy extra food because he knew that either on his way
to or from work every day he was gonna see Cody the coyote somewhere.
Dude, your dad would track a coyote right, right, right. It's
not like when when you hear that it's my dad doing it. It's not
a crazy I'm telling you, son, there's this coyote roman face. No,
it was more like that I saw him off three to oh one.
Yeah. It was more like he'd come home and like one of the first
things out of his mouth would be, like, I saw Cody today.
He was down there by the Chin by the Harbor Freight. He was over
by the Harbor Freight today. Like every day he would update us on Cody
the coyote. Amazing. Yeah, I know he had this relationship with a
coyote, and I'm starting to develop a relationship with Stray cats. Really.
Oh man, that's a wonderful, beautiful thing at work. So I'm not
very affectionate to the stray cats, but I just kind of keep tabs on
them, right, because you got to be cool around your boat. Well,
I'm by myself. I just I'm a little abrasive. I would have
been surprised if you were affect that. I mean kind of all the cats
I'm I am. I lean towards the street cat. I like an indoor
outdoor cat. Yeah. In the words of Little bee Man, fishing is
just Fanesse and sea animals. That's a little bee line. Fish is just
Vanessen sea animals. That's that's a legendary line. Yeah, fish. It
is just it's amazing you on me talk? You want me talking omens?
Yeah. I was about to say, Man, this is this it's all
just an omen that we're sitting here each other. I got a hell of
cool historical facts about omens. I want to hear what you have to say
first though, I got I got at least one omen story. I got
two, but I'll hang on to one. I feel like they don't happen
to me like before. It was always during That's what mine's about Okay,
hit it. So we're talking about OMEN episode. We talked about OMEN episode
a week before, we mentioned it two weeks ago. We've been talking about
so anyway, it's been crazy. Yeah, it has been. We're talking
about OMEN episodes, and so I started going, Okay, I'm I'm gonna
have an OMEN. I'm gonna have an OMEN like I'm in my life like
I want. Let's let's let's create some content, right for the podcast.
Give me an Omen, give me an O. Not happening. It was
time to record the first try no OMEN. I was like, whatever,
we come into the studio. Hey, we're not doing omens. Cool next
week, right? Uh. I actually did get the OMEN that time,
so that that was that day. I think it was Thursday. It's strange
because Olivia and my fiance, she always wakes up first. She's she's mourning
dog duty. So the dog gets up about five thirty six o'clock. She
takes the dog out race. Yeah, I'm night shift. Okay, night
shift is scarier. It's just you know more it's dark. Oh you mean
taking the dog out on a walk. Yeah, I'm I'm night shift for
dog. She's for dog, she's for dog. This is me being affectionate.
No, So it was just you call Olivia woman. That's all you
call her. Don't ask questions. So I just woke up. I woke
up on Thursday about like five thirty five, five o'clock, and I was
like, man, I feel pretty good. I'm just gonna get up.
She was fast asleep. I was like, all right, I'll just take
the dog out, you know, take the dog out. We're walking me
and the dog and boom out just right in front of us, and like
right in front of us, and then down across the water and then perches
up in a tree back the way we were. I had to go.
So I was like, hush, there's my Omen sick and took the dog
back. We're walking back in the and the oil was just going off.
A few weeks ago you were telling us I have an Omen to share with
you guys. Yes, And so that was the day of the Omen episode,
or when we were gonna do the Omen episode mm, and I was
like, cool, Omen, Like it's gonna be a good day. It
was not. The day was garbage and I can't remember exactly what happened,
but it was just like mildly bad thing. Oh, I remember. One
of the things was I thought I lost my wallet. I put my wallet
in the wrong spot in the car, called her, Hey, is my
wallet at home? No, it's not here. Check here, No,
not here. I called everywhere I went, was like, hey, do
you see a wallet? You see a wallet? I locked all my cards.
Oh no, I locked all my cards and then I found it.
Oh so I had to go unlock all my cards and uh, I dropped
three different things down the crack of my driver's seat. This has never happened
to me. I'm not that kind of person. I remember you telling us
that. For context, for the listener, Alex is like extremely organized and
meticulous and yes, like everything is to the nines to the teas, Like
that doesn't happen to Alex. Alex doesn't lose things and like certainly doesn't drop
things through the crack in his car three times in one day. It might
sound like a normal thing because like that's a pretty much daily occurrence for me,
But for Alex, I haven't done it once since that day. That
does not two weeks ago. Damn. Yeah, that owl was out of
gets show. I'm like, man, and it just was. But it's
not like, oh, my whole day sucks, like, oh day's ruined.
It's just like mildly infuriating things like the whole thing. And then we
get in and I'm like, all right, got an omen to share,
and it was like, not not doing it. We're doing last day of
class. So well, we were gonna do it until you broke out that
awesome story about your instructor. And then we were twenty minutes after that story
and it's like, well, well, okay, wait a minute, though,
I had a lot, I had the owl, and then my instructor
came to me with that story that happened that night, that that morning.
Yeah, so my instructor had his experience in the morning, and then I
had the owl in the morning, and then my day was like trying to
throw me off on purpose. So you could interpret it as the spirit world
acting up, the spirit world acting up. The omen for me was hey,
we're still here, spirit world, and then the physical world was like,
oh, what if we make him mad? What if we throw him
off this game? What if we throw him off this spirituality? So wait,
did the did your was that your coworker that had that my instructor,
your instructor? Yeah, I've I've developed a pretty cool word was that was
So did that happen before or after the owl? It would have been the
night three hours prior to the owl, I mean, give or take.
That's kind of wild. So like after that happened, one of the first
things you saw that day was an owl swooping in front of you. I
didn't know that that happened. No, right, no, right, but
it did. This happens for him at two in the morning, and then
five thirty in the morning owls, and then my day goes just mildly frustrating.
The thing to me is that specifically he just happened to be the morning
shift for Juneo, right, which he usually does the night walk. Good
point. I didn't even think about that, Like something is different here,
you know, Yeah, this day was completely different. It started off different.
Sometimes I think about I think there's a theory like that. And when
I leave my house, there's like a there's like a median, and then
the median has trees in it. It's just like if you're going, you
know, the right side go, it's like the flow of traffic, right,
yeah, but it's it's it's like a neighborhood road. So sometimes I'll
be like, if I'm feeling something weird or I just want to act up,
I go to the opposite side. I go the wrong way around it
on purpose for new reason other than like let's throw some chaos into this day,
like if there's some a butterfly effect or predestined thing. I'm just like,
I'm going this way sometime the spot. Yeah, yes, it changed
up in the spur of the moment, like I'm gonna walk this way instead
of this way. Just change it up a little bit. See what happens
that I was listening to, like reading about those glitch and the matrix type
stuff, and that's how it happens. I wanted to talk about that too.
I'm glad you but a lot of the stuff you were just talking about
reminded me of some of the things I wanted to hit today. It's very
clear I haven't had like if I'm just being candid here to our wonderful listeners,
I wanted to talk about this too. But in the last eight weeks
I've been doing construction. I just I have not been as hands on as
I would like to be, and I haven't really had time to do much
research but a right, right, I got you, home boy. But
my point is, there were some things that I wanted to talk about,
like like off the top of my head, like, for example, the
matrix different pop culture representations of omens, And one of those was the matrix
when it's like the black Cat is walking by. Oh yeah, it was
like the first like mission that Neo goes on after he's like gone through his
awakening and his training, and the one when when what's it what's the little
guy's name? Mouse? Right? The one where he gets shot up and
dies and like is it mouse or mouse? Maybe you talk about the guy
who sits he stays, the one who made the girl in the red dress,
the lady in the red dress. Uh yeah, I don't remember his
name, let me find out. But it's the mission when NEOs the key
maker. Is it? No? No, that's like the second one.
I think I didn't hear which matrix you were referencing. The first one,
the first one, Yeah, but it's the one when he's mouse. Yeah,
yeah, he's like going on. Yeah, that guy he's going on.
His first mission is the one where he dies and he sees the black
cat walk by, and then he sees it walk by again and he's like
deja vu and they're like what yeah, yeah, they freak out, deja
vu. I saw a black cat twice and they're like, you know,
we gotta get the hell out of here. And it's like yes, it's
like you know, and the lore of the movie, the Agent takes over.
But I mean, when you think about it, it's the spirit world
manipulating animals and physical reality. Yeah, to not like from the perspective of
the movie, to give us a message, but I just thought that was
really cool, the profound nature of that. And yeah, in the context
of in the context of those movies, the matrix is like, well,
I guess it would be the real world would be like the spirit world maybe,
and the matrix would be what we know as the real world, you
know or whatever. So it's kind of the same concept, like messages,
signs being sent from the other side. It's like the same thing. Yeah,
yeah. And then the other thing is I wanted to talk about a
major omen that my dad had actually I had with him when my grandfather died
in twenty thirteen. We rode in a limo to the church because that's just
common, you know, like if youneral possessions a lot of times, like
the children for a funeral, Yeah, like the the intermediate family or the
immediate family or whatever. They'll they'll oftentimes do a limo with the funeral service.
And we rode in a limo to the church where the ceremony was.
And it was raining. It was December, very cold, rainy day.
And I don't know if you remember, but when you're going down now,
I haven't lived in grays Creek in like eight years now, but I'm trying
to remember if it is is it Hawk Bullard Road? Yeah, his name
was Hawk Hawk Boo. Yeah, he married one of my ancestors. But
H. Bullard Road, I think it's H. Bullard Road when you in
Creek, uh huh, when you go down that road right to go to
where our church is to be the tent church. Yes, yeah, yeah.
So we're going down H. Bullard Road, rainy December day and on
a tree stump on the side of the road there was an owl just freaking
looking at us as we're going to the funeral and we thought that was very
weird. That's super weird. Dad put that in the book. There was
another time where I think it was my grandfather had cancer before he died.
He did beat the cancer. He had a sign, he had a whole
healing situation that might also be in Dad's book. I can't remember, but
at one point an owl swooped down on the patio, like over their head.
And we've just had so many weird things with owls, dude. Right
before my dad was shot by a shotgun at ten years old, he was
face to face with an owl. You said, right before, like the
day or two before you damn, he's ten years old. But the way
he told the story, the owl wasn't real. What like the owl was
more etheric, I thought, because that was in the beginning of the book.
I don't know. I mean he was ten years old, man.
Yeah, it was like it was. It was well written. Yeah,
it was like I could have sworn he said something like ghostly or like almost
translucent owl. But I could also just be straight making that up. That's
the bull with the lady Okay, really saw the owl. Yeah, And
then there was there was this one time that I took as like the biggest
omen of my entire life, and it fundamentally changed me inside out. Was
I've told the story many times on the podcast back in twenty twelve when me
and dad were talking about, you know, the phenomenon, and then the
cows started moving at me. But there wasn't really I was thinking about that
too, cow is there or anything, but I was thinking about that's definitely
an omen I was thinking about the same thing. Yeah, very strange.
Yeah, yes, I don't know. I just it's stuff like that doesn't
happen to me before, right, it happens during and after. I can't
think of any example. Can you explain that for me a little bit?
I know exactly what you're saying. Yeah, you know, like you know,
like weird synchronicities, like, yeah, they only happened to during or
before or after what? Okay, So, for instance, like the amount
of syncreticities that were happening while I while I was in the process of like
finding out if this whole move thing was gonna work. Oh okay, the
synchronicities were through the roof like daily, many times a day. So it
seems to me like you're getting more of a keep going message, yes,
like hold fast, yes, stay hanging there kind of thing. Yes,
that is what it feels like for me always. It's never like a foreboding
or a foreshadowing, at least not that I've noticed. It's always like a
during or even after. Sometimes you know, I'll get like weird little signs
and stuff that you know that makes me go into nature loves courage thing.
But maybe we'll talk about that. So yeah, maybe we will in like
three weeks or something or in like, okay, I got some cool stuff,
let's see. The ancient Mesopotamians looked for omens, both provoked and unprovoked,
in everything, and believed that the universe we live in is a is
sort of like a giant canvas for messages from the divine, believing that nearly,
if not everything in existence carried with it a message. And back in
these times, omens were interpreted by several methods. There was like they did
liver divination, which is like literally examining the livers of like dead sheep and
dead animals and like to see if there were weird like absesss and and stuff
like that. And apparently like it was exactly yeah that one doesn't resonate with
me. Well, well no no, but but think about it though,
because your liver no, no, okay, come on, spit seriously your
liver, uh filters toxins. Yeah, and and many toxins are released psychosomatically,
right or and that animals animals operate on different frequency, Like animals are
more sensitive and intune to nature what's going on here and behind the veil.
So if there's toxicity or or uh, something that would release that in their
mind just beyond the realm of human perception, that they then release those toxins
into their liver. We dissect the liver and say, oh fuck right,
yeah, yeah, I mean you gotta you gotta remember this is back in
like the very like like two BC to like ten to like ten BC.
Dude, Mesopotamia was like more like two thousand BC, right, like right
way back. But like at these times, there were every every royal court
had a magician, right, all of them around the talk about job of
jobs. Oh oh yeah, you kid like Merlin. It's like being a
weather man, like nothing, you cannot you can do no wrong, right,
Oh, your experiment killed a couple of people whatever, and that's just
the magician. But yeah, like every royal court had an appointed court magician.
And these were the same guys who did all forms of divination, like
the smoke stuff and the oil stuff, and like here there's there's there's more
examples. Yeah, the canamancy is uh, it's where a court magician observes
patterns of oil and water in a dish. And then there's that's cool.
Yeah it heard of that one. They would like so, like I was
saying earlier, there are like the unprovoked ones, which is where like okay,
like, oh, there's one really cool example. Okay, quick example
of an unprovoked omen. This is the Battle of Hallis in five eighty five
BC. This is in book one of herodotus History, Herodotus' histories. It's
an investigation of the conflict between Crotius, the king of Lydia, and Cyrus,
the king of Persia. In a typical Herododean fashion, he makes much
digression and comes to the story of the Battle of Hellas. Herodotus records that
in the sixth year a battle took place in which it happened when the fight
had begun, suddenly the day became night. What this change of day,
this change of the day fails. The Milesian had foretold to the Ionians,
laying down as a limit this very year in which the change took place.
The Lydians, however, and the Meads, when they saw it had become
night instead of days, ceased from their fighting and were both much more eager
that peace should be made between them. So like, middle of this battle
and five eighty five BC, a solar eclipse that happens like once every thousand
years happened in the middle of this battle, and both sides stopped, just
stopped fighting and came to a piece broke like broken piece. That's another great
subject of conversation, omens of the stars. And oh dude, that's how
it like, that's like low key how it started. Some of the earliest
means well actually, no, no, no, this wasn't the early early
stuff because obviously astrology, astronomy, it wasn't like being you know, studied.
But by the seventh century BC, diviners and court magicians began relying heavily,
primarily on astrology to find and interpret omens. Right like it was.
They were all about it. That's very cool. But so those are what
you would consider unprovoked because you don't do anything. They just happened. Yeah,
a sheep dies and they're like, let's open its liver, like you
know, like let's see what's in its liver, I mean, among other
things, among other things. Right, but are you gonna dude, let's
let them just sit there. Come on, you're gonna make some spicy meatball.
There's valuable information in that liver. I'm just saying, maybe other parts
liver. I had some liver today. Really. Yeah, that's gross anyway.
Uh, that's actually called hepatoscopy. It's like, it's like, I'll
buy it. It's observing irregularities and abnormalities of the entrails of sacrificial sheep.
So so you're just like, you just slice that thing open, and the
way the guts fall is like, oh, it's for seven years ago.
Yeah, the intestines are twisted a funny way. Yeah. Yeah. They
would either like do it after a sheep already died, or they would sacrifice
one, which that would be provoked and then like the oil and the water
thing that's provoked, taro tea leaves. Yeah, the bone throwing the yeah,
bonees, crying and reading. That was popular in China where they would
I'm pretty sure it might have been China where they throw the bones and they
read the patterns of them. And now a story of Alexander the Great,
you perked up a little bit when I said that. I was just excited.
I might you know, it might be about me for a second.
This is kind of crazy. This is pretty pretty fucking crazy. Alexander the
Great's death was predicted by several omens ravens falling dead at his feet as he
approached Babylon, which is where he died. Wow, by the way,
Wow, literally like flocks of ravens just died as he approached. Crazy.
A sacrificed animal whose liver had no lobe. Look, man, hepatocracy,
it's hepatometology, hepatoscopy, hepatoscopy. Man, hepatocracy is a form of It's
a it's like political. It's like baby, I got my I got loaded
with appointments. This week, I got my hepatoscophy. Tuesday and three,
I got my colonoscopy, and then I got my prostatedoscopy. Yeah. Uh
so the sacrificed animal whose liver had no lobe. A lion in his menagerie
being attacked and killed by a tame ass. Wait wait, wait wait wait
are we talking about like donkeys? Yeah, someone's someone's butt killed killed a
lion reading livers? I mean, anything could happen. I guess, dude,
bro, a tame donkey killing a lion. That's thugging. That's thugging.
He fucking deep, that's crazy. Bro, You on the wrong block.
Ye come around here, I got a question for you. All.
You're on a mission. Mission is for everything. Statue, statue, fame,
stature, statue, whatever, statues. Yeah, sure you get a
statue at the end. I'm sure. Uh you raven start from dead at
your feet? Yea, all that stuff. A donkey kills your lion,
what are you gonna do? Quit the sheep ain't got a loan on his
liver. That sheep. We got no load? What do you do?
Honest question? Okay, well listen in context. Turn around. These are
times you can turn around. These are times where you have a fucking court
magician whose job it is it It's like you have a guy who it's his
whole job to interpret nature and tell you if something's bad is coming, Like
yeah, i'd probably like I'm paying this guy to to tell me this shit's
happening, And like, turn around. I cannot shake the thought that the
real modern day version of this court magician is just the weather man. I'm
stuck on this. We pay this guy his salary. He's wrong more than
fifty percent of the time. Yeah, I mean that's honestly a good parallel.
It's kind of predicting cosmic weather, but then the like. So if
you don't turn around, you're gonna be Alexander the lake. Come on.
That was bad, but it was it was bad. Okay, No,
but you guys haven't answered the question I did. What's your answer? I
would listen to the court magician. I'm paying him. You're seeing the signs
yourself too. Yes, a raven fault? How many ravens have to fall
dead at your Okay before you think enough? You don't like his answer?
What's yours? If you're going to press him over his answer? Yeah,
what's your I didn't, I don't what did you're Alexander? Dammit? What's
your answer? I don't think I'd I think i'd press on. Yeah,
and he died, so did his court magician, show did everybody else?
Because Alexander decided not to turn around because there was also the people who won
are dead now too, Well, that's just because of time. How did
he die? He he was assassinated? Wasn't he he was killed. I
actually I don't know. Okay, So the last thing was a prisoner wearing
the royal diadem and robes, seated on Alexander's throne. These were all omens
believed to a predicted his death according to Plutarch. Cool. Yeah, that's
super cool. You know who else had a so to speak, court magician,
more like a court astrologer. And this is hilaria or typhoid fever,
which are rampant in ancient Babylon. Oh wow, So guess what if he
listened to the damn court magician and turn around, they wouldn't have gone to
Babylon anymore. From that, what if he died from one of them ravens
gave him typhoid fever? Around? That's what I'm saying. No, you're
not. You're saying you press off. No, I am saying press you
forgot, you forgot your own stance. You're saying you'd listen to the court
magician. Well listen, the real Alexander the Great was far too busy with
his boyfriend, so he was. I mean, there's books about it.
Yeah, he cared too much about true it's in the movie. What movie
that Alexander the Great movie. I can't remember what. Really, I don't
know. I can't remember the movie. But there is a not Troy,
no, no, let me look it up. There is a movie about
Alexander the Great. I'm pretty sure, man. And then there's that book
that oh no, wait, I'm thinking about I'm thinking about Song of Achilles.
I'm thinking that's a different is Awesome though I watched Awesome. I've seen
them for the first time. Great, cool, great? Have you seen
that one? It's been forever. It's called Alexander. It's uh, it's
a great name. I think it's Angelina Joe Lee. I think it's yea,
Colin Farrell. Angelina Joe Lee plays Alexander the Great. That's fucking no.
She plays Alexander to great. Anthony Hopkins is tall of me? Bro
what bro? Rosario Dawson is Roxanne? Come on rocks Henne Rocks, not
the Rosanne I was thinking of. Yeah, you're thinking about the better Roxanne
from Damn that music. I saw this remix of that song, except they
only said rocks rocks. Yeah. Oh, you're talking about the one that
the police the police, Yeah, yeah, okay, So you know who
in modern Times had a court astrologer and actually like predicted. Okay, I
said Modern Times closer Ronald Reagan, he had a for real, he had
a legit astrologer, like in private that dude, he wouldn't even like he
would make it was his wife who was like really into this stuff, dude.
He was assassinated attempted like three times, and it was predicted by the
astrologer for real, And he kept ducking them. He kept moving on,
like pushing on. Hey he did. He did survive him though, but
I'll just you know that that didn't exactly go away. If you're on a
mission you got, you can't quit unless you unless your court magician tells you
to quit. I fire him, get a new one. Hey, which
one of us is the court magician in this scenario? In this scenario,
like yeah, I feel like in the room, I feel like we are
the court magicians that are badly neglected and abused by Alexander the Lake. Oh,
you and you and I are the court magicians. It's like, sir,
please, my worshipful master, I desire you to stay alive. He's
like, shut the fuck, I'm gonna do what I want. And then
he gets shot in the liver and it's like, you know, his lobe
is hanging out, and it's like, I'm telling you, my worshipful it's
a bad sign. Let me examine your liver. Oh yeah, we need
to check your liver out. We really do. Would you would you be
willing to would you be willing to do that? Would you? Probably not.
I just sem disappointed you didn't care that you were just adorned as worshipful
master. I just I just kind of soaked it up because finally, you
know, the truth is realized. Of course, you soaked it what it's
supposed to be? What? What is that? It actually just right?
You know, yeah, oh my god, what's happening? Back to Mormon's
man, Oh my god, Oh god, where's Bobby and Marky when you
need him? Oh? Oh my god. That joke went over so many
people's head, you know, you know that so many people are like,
what the fuck are they talking? What does he meaning? You're crying?
You're crying right now? Oh god, man, oh my god. That
was I feel free from the pressure from the pressure of all the damn construction.
Yeah, man, yeah, yeah, for sure, soak it up.
I think the way Ryan's acting is an omen for what the next episode.
Okay, all right, alright, alright, that's about it's about that
time. Let's get it. Then let's stot that time. Love you guys,
Love you guys. Bye God, we said guys twice. It's okay,
bye guys, guys, guys. Weird things happen in the backyard Blodso
house and said over the sink out, it's so weird coming closer to us
here. Stick this straight up, like smiling on the inside of it.
No one knows. Mad, Wow, it's come right over there. Sid
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