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Hi, This is Fred Green of
Golf Smarter with the ninth appearance that Tony

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Manzoni made on Golf Smarter number four
hundred and fifty seven that was recorded back

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in October twenty fourteen, one week
after last week's episode. This one was

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a lot of fun because at this
time in history, Tiger Woods was struggling

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with his game and his life.
So I put it out there to Tony,

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and I asked him what he would
say to Tiger if he had gotten

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a call from his camp asking for
advice from a community college golf coach that

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had an incredible record. After this
week, there are two more episodes with

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Tony as we approached the end of
our annual series. As we spring back

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into golf season with Tony Manzoni,
I hope you've been enjoying it. Tony's

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book, The Lost Fundamental is available
on Amazon, and his DVD, which

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we converted to a private link online, is also available when you write to

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me. For the most comprehensive information
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or click on the Heyfred button when
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two of our conversation that picks up
right where last week's episode ended for members

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only Golf Smarter number four hundred and
fifty seven, published on October seven,

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twenty fourteen. If Tiger asked Tony
Manzoni for help, what would he say?

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This is Golf Smarter. If just
so happens, Tiger Woods was listening

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to this podcast, it's it's I
know it's not happening, but he's like,

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you know what, I'm going to
give Tony Manzoni a call. Tiger

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Woods calls you and says I could
really use your help. I listened to

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it that you had to say,
it makes a lot of sense. What

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would you do for me if Tiger
called you and asked for your help?

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What would you do? Well?
After I got up off the floor,

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No, I mean, I mean
what I have to say. The Tiger

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would take fifteen minutes. I just
think I just you better charge a lot

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of money. Man. You know
I would. I would. I would

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if I did it, I would
do it anonymously, and I wouldn't want

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anything for it, because Tiger is
really important for the game. You know,

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we're losing a lot of players,
and Tigers is like the Beatles.

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He's like he's an icon and whether
you like what he did socially really doesn't

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matter. He's got a huge following. And if he gets back to playing,

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which I predict, he's going to
come back stronger than ever. Do

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you really? I do I really
really, because I think he's on the

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right track. Look, physically,
the guy's eighteen years old. I don't

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care what his number is. He's
in unbelievable shape, and he's a kind

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of guy that will always be in
good shape. And if he just figures

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out his golf swing, and if
he figures out how to stay connected through

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impact and keep that left arm high
on the chest as he rotates his body,

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which he does on his irons,
that's what blows my mind. It's

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like he's got two different swings.
If he does that with the driver and

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he gets the ball in play,
what is that? What is he going

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to shoot? Because he's a great
putter, he's a great wedge player,

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and he's a great iron player.
But the thing that has always killed him

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is that getting that first shot in
play. And I think part of it

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is that, you know, he
lost distance, but he lost distance because

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he bulked up so much. Do
you remember when he was first on the

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tour, he had a forty three
and a half inch titlest driver with a

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steel shaft, and he was literally
killing it. But as he got bigger

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and bigger and bigger, I think
that it affected his flexibility and speed and

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then and then, you know,
when you start losing a little distance,

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then you try to start picking it
up, so now you get fast from

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the top and all, you know, because everybody's human and respect. I

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mean, I used to be considered
a long hitter, and now you know

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I have I can't see well,
but I can see my ball stop,

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which is a nightmare because I'm not
hitting it very far. I can hit

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it square. But listen, when
you get to a certain age, that's

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going to happen, So work on
your short game. But I think that's

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what happened with Tiger. Everybody started
blowing him past it past him, so

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he felt like he was doing something
wrong. I think it's just this physicality

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change so much said you know,
he kind of got in the way of

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his speed. He's leaned down a
little bit more and he looks like he's

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fast again. When I watched him
a few terms, he came back before

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he got back off because of his
injury, started bothering him again. He

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looked his swing looked really really aggressive, but not out of control. He

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used to look like he was a
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And if he were to bulk after
bulking up the way he did, would

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you suggest that he go to a
shorter shaft driver or are a longer one,

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or stay with the forty three?
No, I wouldn't listen. Tiger

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has experts telling them what to do
physically. I think that what I have

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my guys doing, we're doing.
We're doing weights, but we're doing low

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weights and high intensive exercises with very
little time between the exercises, where we

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try to do one hundred one hundred
bicep at ten at a time, but

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with only thirty seconds between each each
rep or each each grouping, and we're

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trying to get it down at thirty. We're get it down to nothing so

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that you can do one hundred in
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that goal? I don't think so. But we're going to get close.

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But as we progress each week,
I can see that everyone is getting faster

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and we're taking less time, so
the fatigue factor is high, and I

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think that's the new trend in working
out. If you're an athlete, you're

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not trying to get big popeye muscles, is trying to get lean and mean,

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and this this kind of exercise really
shreds you, gets the fat off

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you, and it keeps and you
keep your flexibility. And I know the

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Tiger knows all about this stuff.
This guy is, he knows a lot

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about a lot of things when it
comes to sports. He did go to

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Stanford. So this is interesting to
me because you've you've seen the eras of

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athletes, not just golfers, but
a lot of athletes who didn't pay that

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much attention to physical fitness. And
now we're in an era where it's you

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know, even if you're only playing
six to eight months a year, you're

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working out all year long because of
competition so stiff and it's a long season

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for everybody, no matter what sport
you're playing, so you have to be

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in top physical shape. For golfers
today, what would you recommend be the

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workout regimen and what areas of focus
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you focus on the lower part of
the body, the legs, the arms,

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would you work on stamina, would
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building or core strength? And where
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I think I think the trend today
and I agree with it, is that

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they're working more on the core.
They're working on on arms and chest and

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back along with the legs. You
know, because we don't we don't drive

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the legs through the ball like we
used to because we're because we're our body's

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in a little different position. When
when you were tilted way back, your

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head was way behind the ball.
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to get to the left side and
then you had to rotate, but you

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had to make a little sliding move. Well, no one, no one's,

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no one is doing that. You
don't see any sliders like like in

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days gone by. So so the
top part is just as important as the

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bottom part. But you have to
be careful. You have to know what

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you're doing or you have to have
someone help you in that regard so that

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you don't use the wrong type of
exercises. Again, golf is not a

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game where you need to be bulked
up. It's a game where you need

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to be with what we call cut, where you're shredded. That's the kind

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of body type you want. No, so there are some people that are

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bulky and they have to swing the
club a different way. But you know,

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Tiger was a very thin kid.
I had him in a tournament years

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and years ago called Kids were Kids, and he was sixteen years old and

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he was on the thin side.
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He hit it out there. I
remember that day. He was sixteen

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years old. He hit as far
as he already did on tour. Now

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he had a longer swing. But
he his thing was speed. Tire runs

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fast. He's a speed person.
Okay, He's not a guy that he's

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not structurally built to be lifting heavy
weight. He's structurally built to be like

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a cat. And I think he
got away from that. I think maybe

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being around guys like Michael Jordan everything
or workout freaks. I think he got

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into body building and I think he
I think a mistake is made there.

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And I've seen he looks a little
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cut looking now as you should be. And you know, everyone needs to

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get into things like yoga, anything
stretching. If you're really interested in golf,

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it's range of motion that's really important. What do you do. I've

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been doing a lot of stretching.
I've been doing the high intensive exercises,

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interval exercises. I go on the
net and look for anything that is related

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to golf and getting more flexibility so
I can get the club back a little

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bit farther, which gives me more
time to build momentum. You know,

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I used to run a lot of
ten k's. I used to run the

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golf course every night. I used
to go at the football field here at

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the college and I'd run twenty thirty
laps around the thing. You know,

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so it's four or five miles.
So I was running probably every day a

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good ten miles. I don't have
the inclination, the time and the stamina

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to do it, but I'm still
I still try to move. I'm always

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I'm always active. I think I
think you've got to do that, just

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forget golf, just for your overall
health. Yeah, I'm not a runner,

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never have been. If you run
on grass, it's not too bad.

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But yeah, you know, you
know, I'm a swimmer. You

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know what swimmer, I go swimming
fantastic because you have resistance in every action

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you make, and and it's zero
and zero impact. Yeah. The only

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problem is is that a lot of
swimming pools have a lot of chemicals in

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it, so you're absorbing those chemicals. So that's you know, if you

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if you're going to do optimum things, then you'd be swimming in a salt

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water pool and not a typical pool. Yeah. Es, Actually the public

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pool that I swim in is is
half salt water half chlorine. Okay,

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Yeah, I love and I just
love a I love the zero eral impact

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and and I love the complete resistance. But I also love just getting lost

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in my head, which I do. I'm sure you do with any kind

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of endurance thing. Well, sure, and I think I think every man

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uh and well for that matter,
woman, but I can only speak from

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the man's point of view. I
think every man should stay strong. There's

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no reason to be weak. There's
no reason, there's no reason to get

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feeble. You can use light weights, but you can keep your muscle tone

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and you can keep your strength factor. I think a lot of people die

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too early because they get weak and
consequently, so does their immune system.

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And I think there is a correlation
to that. I know people that you

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know, they were good athletes,
worked hard, worked out all the time,

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and then they got to a certain
point in time and then they turned

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into a seal. They just blow
up and all of a sudden they die.

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Cholesterol evolves up, everything, everything
malfunctions. Well that's because everything's stopped,

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you know. So I really I
you know, I'm an old guy,

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but I don't feel old, and
I'm still strong. And when I

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go out and work on with in
the gym with the boys, I can

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still keep up with them. But
that's because I've always done that. And

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I highly recommend to anyone that's listening
that get into a stretching program and get

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into some form of weight training,
because even at one hundred years old,

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if you can last that long,
you can get stronger by resistance, by

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lifting weights. You know, all
the rubber band stuff. Yeah, yeah,

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okay, that's a little bit,
but you got to put a weight

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in your hand and move it up
and down. You're gonna get your you're

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gonna get your muscle tone back,
and you're gonna feel a hell of a

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lot better. One of the comments
you made earlier on you said, take

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the compensations out of the game.
Well, a compensation would be if I

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moved to the right from my original
starting position, and I've got to move

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back to the left. If I
if I overwork my hands going back where

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I cock the club back to where
it shaft in my left arm, don't

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don't create an L, but they
create a V because because my wrist is

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cocked so far that the club is
kind of hanging down past parallel, then

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I have to I have to make
a compensation to get it back into that

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position where I can just turn and
just hang on. I don't have to

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do anything with my hands, so
any anything like that, any any timing

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element that you're putting in or you're
trying to you know, I hear these

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teachers say you got to roll your
hands through to hit the ball. Well,

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you know, if you're slicing the
ball, that's a quick fix.

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But that's not the way to play
golf, and that's hard to do.

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Yeah, It's amazing to me how
people these compensations that they try to make,

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they do it during the round.
I mean, how many times have

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I heard someone say, oh,
I lifted my head. Oh, I

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know exactly what I'm doing wrong,
and they really think that they're changing something.

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But then lifting the head is the
most common one. Oh I lifted

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my head. Yeah, you lifted
your head. Or I didn't get under

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it. That's another beauty. You
don't get under a ball. You head

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down on it to make it go
up, and in most cases your head

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went up or you lost your spine
angle. Because it's called body propulsion.

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You're trying to propel an object up, so the body kind of lifts to

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do it again. That goes right
back to trying to do something to the

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golf ball instead of letting that golf
club and the loft and the lie angle

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dictate what that ball is going to
do. And all you've got to do

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is swing that club from station one
to station two and that all that's going

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to happen. Certainly, you have
to have some kind of coordination. I'm

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not saying that you just do that
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But the more compensation is that you
put in your golf swing fanning the club

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open, then you got to fan
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that, you're just making the game
harder. Yep, yep, it's so

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true. It's so sad, it's
so true. Tell me, I mean

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the last one on the on the
gulf side. Before we wrap this up.

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How can we eliminate that dreaded forty
yard shot? Why are we coming

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up forty yard short of a hole
when we don't want to have a forty

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yard shot in our game and we
don't have one in our bag. Well,

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the only place that that should happen
would be in my estimations on a

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part five unless you just don't have
the strength to get to the green in

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two, and a lot of people
are in that position. Then they're playing

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the wrong tea box. Then they're
playing the wrong tea box. Correct,

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And even though I say that,
there's a lot of people that are not

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going to move up, they're going
to stay where they are because that's just

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what they want. That's the ego
party of golf. And then in that

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case, get your wedge and be
like Lee Trevino, you know, hit

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five hundred wedges a day, and
then you'll hit that forty yard shot.

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Okay, you know, the fourty
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just it's one of those in between
shots where it's you're not taking it back

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really far, So you have to
you know, I've got a couple of

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juniors that I teach and we work
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Yeah, you know, I have
a friend every time, whether you're hitting

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from thirty forty to fifty or eighty
or one hundred and twenty, if you

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land the ball on the green,
he's going to go, nice shot.

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And it's like to me, that's
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hundred yards or one hundred and twenty
yards anywhere there and I I A,

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I expect to be on the green
on the next shot, But if I'm

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going to be that close, I
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the hole. If not closer,
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green and have a sixty foot putt. Yeah, and you have to determine.

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I mean, good players know how
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you know how to If they have
one hundred and fifty yard shot, they're

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not going to hit it one hundred
and ninety unless they catch a fly or

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maybe they're maybe they're a little excited
because they made two or three birdies in

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a or something, but generally they
can control distance. And if you can

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control distance, and first of all, you have to know how far you

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hit your club. So when you
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you go through your irons, you
have to know, well, how far

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do I hit a seven iron?
And then you have to determine, Okay,

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if I can max out a seven
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fifty yards and I have one hundred
and fifty yard shot, certainly would be

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smart to hit a six iron because
I'm not going to max out every shot

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and I'm going to mishit it a
little bit. So you know, Ken

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Venturrey told me that long time ago
when I work with him, and he

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said, you're better served to take
one more club than you think. It

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is almost every single time. And
he said, I think in terms of

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all the wrongs you played, how
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And it's so true, it's so
true. So those are those are little

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elements that we have to deal with
when we play. But distance control is

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very important. So you have to
establish where you hit a ball. But

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when getting back to that forty yard
shot, look the forty yard shot,

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you're connected. You rotate your body
in such a fashion that you hit it

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forty yards, you rotate a little
bit more. You hit it sixty or

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seventy, you rotate a little less. You hit a thirty. But if

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you're trying to do that with hand
action, now you got a problem.

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Now you got a real problem,
because, especially when you had that forty

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yard shot, there's a little voice
in your head, don't thin it,

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you know, don't scull it,
don't do this. So you need you

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need a fail safe action in your
swing that is going to give you that

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shot or somewhere near that without any
fear. When we start working those hands,

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especially if you get a tight lie
or maybe a funky lie, that's

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when all hell breaks loose and you
end up you're near the green in regulation

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and you end up with a triple
bogie because because you're trying to do it

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a harder way than you need to, and that's when the metal game gets

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really large because you start freaking out
about that shot. Well, yeah,

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but if you're a rotary player and
you rotate from driver to wed, it's

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not going to be so hard because
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And look, when you're playing for
a few bucks or it's a tournament

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or club championship, and you get
a little nervous, and everybody does,

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and you get a little scared,
and everybody does. The first thing that

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runs down your leg is your eye
hand coordination. So you better have something

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that you're doing with those big dumb
muscles instead of those little you know,

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when you get nervous, what happens
your handshake, you know, or your

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adrenaline gets up. So adrenaline is
always going to get up unless you're taking

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beta blockers, and that's not good. So we've got to play through our

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adrenaline, and we have to have
a process that allows us to do that.

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I want to give you one last
chance to explain to us what the

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Loss Fundamental is, what the book
is, and why we should own it

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and the DVD. I think the
Lost Fundamental Book, I think it's the

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result of all the years that I've
studied this game, and I came up

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with the thought that you know,
who played the game for a long time,

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who played the game when they were
really horrible in the beginning, and

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who became one of the greatest players, shot makers anyway, of all time.

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That was Ben Hogan. I started
studying Ben Hogan, and I saw

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the subtle changes, especially after his
accident, and I saw that he stayed

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more centered to the ball. So
he played off of one axis. Or

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in the old days they say we
played off the left side, nothing to

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do with stack until that's what they
called it. We played off the left

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side, So they played off of
one axis. So that's really important not

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to go to the right leg axis
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That's what the book talks about.
The second part it talks about is

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the connection of the left arm to
the pectoral muscle and how that left arm

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works as a lever that is being
moved back and forth by the turning of

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the body, turning to the right, turning to the left, and that

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lever stays consistent in its form so
that the club face stay square a long

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time. That's another part of the
action. The rest of it is set

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up. I believe you have to
set up sixty, forty and so forth.

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So those three elements, so I
can get you to set up properly,

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and you have a decent grip,
a comfortable grip, and I can

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get you to rotate, turn your
right side behind you, and then turn

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the right side through the ball so
that the left side goes level left and

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your left arm states connected. If
those elements happen in the swing, you're

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going to hit the ball pretty darn
good. I've got two juniors. One

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gal I've been working with three years, and she is crazy good. She

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just played in a high school match
she shot thirty because they only played nine

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hole matches. She shot thirty.
And then she played in a two day

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invitation. Broke the record in that. I've got an eight year old Chinese

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boy. Wait a minute, the
thirty was with a couple parts fives or

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a part five and couple part threes. She played, yeah for yeah,

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a regular eighteen hole course. But
yeah, that was the lowess in Arcachella

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Valley of anybody who's ever played male
or female. Okay, and then the

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next day she played in a two
day event. Broke the record in that.

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So, why is all of a
sudden she can do these things?

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And that's because she's learned to play
this game without a lot of competitions,

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compensations, because she gets scared as
heck. She calls in because his coach,

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this is really a big tournament,
blah blah blah, And I say

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look, you've prepared yourself, you
work hard. Now just go play the

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game. You can't be thinking about
how to do it when you're out there

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playing. You got to play the
game. You got to you got to

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react to the target, not to
the ball. And she's she's proving my

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point. And this little eight year
old. I'll tell you what, Fred,

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if you've ever seen them hit a
ball, you want to sell your

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clubs. It's just crazy how pure
he hits it. Now, a lot

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of it he got, believe it
or not. He learned to play by

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watching golf and the Golf channel,
and then I just I've taken it from

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there, improved his grip, but
I haven't messed too much with that swing

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because it's just a fabulous swing.
And he chipped so good that I literally

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said to him, what do you
think about when you chip? Because I

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was trying. I was trying to
get a tip because he's so solid through

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impact. So when I see when
I see that kind of stuff, I

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can part of it. And I
mean, that's you know, it's the

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greatest. And their their minds are
real clear. You know, the more

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we know about golf, the hearter
the game gets because we complicated with a

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lot of facts and figures. If
you learn those three little things I told

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you about good setup and connection and
rotation, and if you can just focus

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on that and get the feel of
that man, you can go out and

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play and enjoy yourself. Lots of
times I'll receive emails from Golf Smarter listeners

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who are saying, Okay, I'm
really intrigued by what Tony Manzoni says,

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and I don't know should I get
the book or should I get the DVD?

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And I always tell them just get
both. But if they had to

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make a choice, what are the
differences that they're going to notice between the

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book and the DVD. Truthfully,
I think I would get the book.

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There's some nice little stories in the
back of the book that I think kind

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of give you a sense of who
I am. But also in the book

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you can under it, you can
line some areas yellow mark some areas that

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are very pertinent, and you can
keep going back to the book. The

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DVD, you know, it's it's
a good DVD. I'm not going to

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say it's but there's a lot of
music and you know, fall to roll.

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I did that because everyone said you
need to make a DVD with the

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book, but the book is for
me. The book is a little bit

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better. The optimum would be too, because then you can see my stupid

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face and some of the things I
do. But you see my girl that

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I that is in there. That's
when I was starting, and you can

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see how good she swings, and
it's an interesting it's an interesting video.

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But if I could only have one, it would be the book for sure.

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Okay, well, I appreciate your
honesty since you just lost ten bucks,

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Well, you know what, most
people can afford another ten bucks.

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Yeah, So if I was buying, you know, I mean, I'm

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not a super wealthy guy, but
i'd buy both. Or if I bought

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the book, I would certainly go
get the tape because I want to see

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if there's something there that because sometimes
we learn more visually than exactly looking at

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something. So you know, no
one has ever written back to me say,

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you know what, it was a
waste of my money. And you've

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had golf Smider listeners travel across the
country to come take lessons with you,

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right, I've given quite a few
lessons, Fred, And I know I

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haven't sent you a check, but
I'm thinking about it. But I've had

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a lot of people and you know
what I also get. I get a

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lot of letters from someone saying,
Okay, you know I'm really hitting the

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driver good, but I'm doing this
with the iron or I'm doing that.

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And I welcome that because I can
give you the answer. I don't need

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to see your golf swing. You
just tell me what the ball is doing.

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I'll tell you what you're doing.
Wow. So I love doing that.

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And again, I got three areas
to hit. How are you setting

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up? You know, levels of
the ball, center to the ball?

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Are you sixty forty? Is your
left arm drop in first move or is

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it staying up high on that chest
as you rotate your chest? Those things,

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they are easily said. If someone
tells me, I'm pulling everything that

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I know their arms are going first. You see what I'm saying, I'm

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hooking everything. I know their arms
are going first. Their arms. The

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clubheads should be last coming through.
It shouldn't be first. It shouldn't be

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going ahead of your body. Your
body should be pulling through. So these

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are real simple fixes. And if
golf prone knows this stuff, you know,

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I'm I don't have a you know, I don't have I'm the only

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one that doesn't have a handle on
this, or I should say, yeah,

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I'm not the only one that knows
this. There's a lot of good

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off pros out there that are good
teachers. But I'll tell you what,

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this is a never ending school.
I tell my students, once you start

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getting into researching golf, you will
never graduate because there's always a move.

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There's always a little tightening up with
the bulls. That's beneficial. Yep,

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yep, Well, listen. I
am scheduled to come down to the Palm

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Desert area just after Thanksgiving. I'll
be there for a week, and if

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it all goes well and it's not
like my last trip of you know where

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things got disrupted, let's get together. I'll bring some video, I'll bring

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my recording gear. We'll sit down, we'll have another conversation with golf smarter,

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and maybe we we'll do we'll go
out and play golf together and we

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can do like a playing lesson and
we can grab some video of that.

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What do you think that would be
great? I would enjoy doing that.

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I want to see your action and
find out how many strokes I get.

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Yeah, right, well, no, I really seriously, I would really

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like to do that. Great we
can talk and talk about strategies on the

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golf course. I love that that
kind of thing because there's a lot to

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that part of it too, well
Tony, It's always my joy. I

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love talking to you about golf.
I'm always entertained, but I always walk

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away with a handful of nuggets that
make my game better. Thank you so

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much. Listen, I'm going to
tell you, Fred, I really thank

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you. You know, as I've
said in the past and I will repeat

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that your site is the best site
I think in golf. Really, it's

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very informative. There's a lot of
great product on there. I'm glad.

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I'm glad and honored to be part
of it, and I do feel like

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I'm part of the family. I
love that