I'm okay, I just smild a another to the face. Yeah, she
want to stay singing to your beach. I got was don't just try to
tell me you love me. You can't keep it. Really, if you
really don't trust me, you come with a really you have up in the
front of you get my meals. I'm conning for the money, money in
the back. Come on with a dank scriling that tank rolling with the gang,
you sitting on the sideline trip and I go to the whole with a
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Yeah, so that happened Friday back to back. Yes, so so
Drake finally, and I think we're the first show to start talking about Yes,
but I have peeved other shows. I guess specifically, I know you
guys probably touched on NBD. We did, but it spread its way to
Armani and Edwards. I know it hasn't been talking about in the Morning show.
Has to have been. Oh, I'm sure it was. I'm sure
it is. Yeah, Yeah, they have to talk about it's about the
culture, about the culture. Either way, we were talking about the Kendrick
and Drake beef going on. Drake had finally rebuttled to Kendrick Lamar's euphoria Friday
night for a brief all forty minutes until kenak Lamar, to be honest with
you, hit him Up's got the passionate so that that's probably like the hardest
of my lifetime, but like the most like direct most like just just viciousness.
Probably Meet the Graham, Met the Graham. He's like an obituary,
dude. It was it was tough. It was tough, tough he was
it was scared like it was. It was dark energy, very dark.
It was awesome. I fucking loved it. And then he dropped THEO of
all Bopps not like us on Saturday A love That's the thing too, because
that was so brilliant too, by the way, by Kendrick, because like
Drake completely got suffocated out of even like being relevant that night, like it
was all yeah, because because not only did like Kendrick just drop which is
also insane, they've dropped a rebuttle disc, which is a diss in general,
Like forty minutes after the op went, that's already crazy, but then
to say the ship they did, like the very first line is dere Donna's
yeah, bro, if I had money like that, and the eagle that
I assume comes with that amount of money, like somebody's dying, especially when
the next line is I'm sorry that man is your father? Yeah, like
wild wild, wild wild wild ship and then Saturday once once you're already thinking
like Drake's you know, been dug up in a grave, Kendrick fucking moves
the people burying and flips open cast and drops like that, and craziest thing
about like that is not like not like us, not like us. Apologize
the people that were pro Drake that were like, yeah, but it's not
good music. Yeah, it was not good music. Okay, Well then
he finally fucking does what Kitch can do when he decides to both where it's
a fucking bop in that ship hit with the hardest line in the entire rivalry
with the fucking uh he try it like a chord. It's probably a minor
god Bro sixty nine God. And then Drake did put out another tracks.
You know, he put out the hard part six, which was bars bars.
He took that a minor line and flipped it. Put flip down the
minor line. That was good and he but you know, the track was
we don't diddle kids. It's not good diddling kids. We don't like the
diddal say. You can never you can never say that is on it come
out right. Although I think he did it. I think it was like
a he did it fine, Yeah, I mean like you got to call
it out. I mean, your kids just not say nothing, especially if
it's not true. But yeah, it was just too late. It was
six minutes of him going nah ah ah. And then he waved the white
flag and said he's done with the beef and he's bowling out. So and
along with that, two Top Dog put out a tweet that was like it
was a good battle. Yeah, so I think it is over from both
sides live. But uh yeah, Kendrick Body Drake again, even if you
didn't think he had the best songs. He dropped the best song, yeah,
between the two of them. Yes, by the way, I started
with like that, but I don't count that because not the same way you
did. I saw you did your rankings. Yeah, I don't count like
that. No, I was counting direct direct shots, direct this songs.
And yeah, like I said that, Kendrick now has the three highest debut
streams of twenty twenty four or most most stream debut songs of twenty twenty four
with Euphoria Meet the Grahams and not like Us. Yeah, one, two,
and three. Yeah, So Drake fans want to talk numbers, he
literally dropped per numbers, the three best songs of twenty twenty four by the
number. But that that is Yeah, it's a it's a complete, complete
wash complete wah, it's not even close. I got Drake fans or friends
that are Drake fans. By the way, I am a Drake and Kendrick
Lamar fan right, Like, I don't have a I'm not on any side
of the alley either way until I'm like swayed by what's put out there by
the battle itself. Kendrick fucking buried him. But my friends, I got
Previd shout out, ice On shouting, I got Mike shouting fees Jeff Booner.
That's the craziest part too. Some of the most hood dudes I know
outside Jeff Booner, some of those hood dudes I know. We're fucking writing
so hard for I'm like, how are you? Like? What do you
I don't know, man, But for all my friends that are on the
side of the Drakes, you're on the wrong side of history. You are
on the wrong side. It got by. He got by even if what
Kendrick said, because that's the thing in Drake's the hard part six is like,
yeah, we set them up to say the daughter stuff. Obviously,
he said I didn't do what he was accused of doing. He didn't say
he didn't do it. He said he would have been caught or he hasn't
been caught yet, so he hasn't. No, he didn't sick stop.
See he's a Kendricks stand Kendricks dance. That's not what he said. He
didn't I would have been caught by No. Yeah. His exact words were,
if I did it, I would have been I would have been arrested.
Yeah, I have been arrested I'm too famous for that. He said,
I never looked look twice at a girl that age, Yeah, which
is not true because he has multiple bars about talking how you were hot in
high school? Because and he has multiple kissing teenagers. He like a strip
club parking lot. Yeah, no, that's the wildest. And he said,
girl, there's a bar about this girl for even her high school pick
she was bad, kiss Kylie Jenner when she was even bad. Then kiss
Kylie Jenner when she was sixteen at her sixteenth birthday party. Looked like the
still said a teenager he's kissing. He was kissing and groping a seventeen year
old on stage at the concert. I'm trying to be ast least non biased
possible. I have the most biased guy. Is that not? Those are
facts? How is that bossing a girl the cheek is like not? It's
not the same. Is that looking twice at age? I would have put
that in the pedophile category? No, I won't say that regardlessophile. I
don't think we're allowed to say that said twice certified deadler, you know,
but literally the always sunny meme brains true. Where Frank comes, we gotta
make a song about not diddling kids. We don't diddle kids. It's not
good diddling kids. It's so true. The best way it was due you
know, you can't. I mean, there's no good way of doing that.
And he brought up Millie Bobby Brown, which Kendrick didn't even say her
name at all, but oh yeah, I never touched Millie Bobby Brown.
And what he said you did, Bud. You get a little defensive there,
but I mean, that's what people are assuming. Obviously, Why would
they assume that because people already saying that stuff, see bias. We can't.
We gotta not be biased having the conversation. Kid, you body them
though regardless, Chris took it, you know, three days and a half
to put a podcast out about it, even though it happened to Friday,
dropped to day. You want to be gounna no, So so what happened
is what happened is we had to We had to reshoot because it immediately got
it immediately got outdated. We record our pod Friday. Then the sequence of
events you guys outlined happened. Family matters, meet the Grahams. We recorded
a rereact, a re reaction. My phone died during it, so we
just upload the audio immediately that night that was that was up. So we
just had that straight up. And then Sunday we got together to re record
after not like us drop and then boom after we went out to eat,
were like we had the video set to upload to YouTube and in between that
the hard part six drop. It was just a series of bad time,
but it was. It was great, man, it was. It was
the best weekend I've ever experienced in hip hop history. It was. It
was incredible to watch these two titans go at it and to see what Kendrick
did in this battle was it was. It was historical. It was he
gave every angle. He dropped the Euphoria record, which was like the which
was like just a great day track. He drops the time Stamp record that
just is like for the backpack rat nerds. Then he drops the just for
like the pure pure like distract. To have think about how calculated Kendrick was.
He had that ship in the tuck. A phone call took place this
this this previous week between Drake and Kendrick saying family's off limits and this beef.
Drake then violated that with family met Wait this is yes, that phone
call you said Monday, Monday phone call between who and who between Drake and
Kendrick. Well, it was actually text messages, not phone call, but
communication was had directly between those two about family is off limits in this beef.
And then Drake drops family matters. But Kendrick, being calculate, he
said push up exactly. So Kendrick was like, I don't know which side
proposed it, but before it goes any further, no family. But Kendrick
had that in the tuck meet the Grahams that was only going to drop if
Drake mentioned family. Drake then goes and makes a whole song called family Matters
addressing Kendrick's family, making serious allegations on Kendrick's part. So Kenrichlly, all
right, bet we're going there. Family's back on the table, and then
gave the ultimate family distract. You know, calculate you gotta be to have
a diss record that's in the tuck that it doesn't matter when it drops,
It doesn't matter if it's a response, if it's on its own, it
didn't matter what it was. It was. Just that's that's evil genius,
calculated ship to have a distrack that you might not even ever release. It's
something you played. He played this sensational and then after that he closes with
the West Coast record for the West Coast holding them down in this beef.
It was just brilliantly, massifully done. That shit is gonna go ten times
platinum in my car in California. So I guess like Kendrick knew what he
was doing with like that too, as Top Dog was saying, like,
no, he baited him into this. Oh yeah, even wait, yeah,
he made absolutely Drake and any regardless Kendrick one, regardless of Kendrick is
still agoat regardless, but he also has an album coming up allegedly now too.
I think that's when Drake was like pissed off about that part of as
well. If anything, I think that's a cop out by Drake. And
I also think if it's an album, it's historically Kendrick's multiple years between albums.
It's like a pg Lang album that he might be on like three or
four records. You're also a stand though, like no, but I'm I'm
being real. Look at the history of Kendrick. When has he dropped an
album in back to back years or or under two years apart? Was the
last signs about to go through divorce. I mean, I think he kind
of already did that. That's what mister Morale like ends with them kind of
being co parents. But at the the six month separation, I think that's
all news. If you listen to mister Morale and the way it ends,
it kind of sounds like they're co parenting. They're not together. So like
if you if you're really reading between the lines. But Drake, Drake just
had dis track. Was weird because he just drops it and he's like,
at one hand being defensive, but then on the other hand, it was
a master plan. You shouldn't be defending yourself if it was all a master
plan from the jump, Yeah, and the master plan like well just a
one I saw this thing. That's like he if it was truly a master
plan and he was fed this false information, you think Drake would have had
documentation of them feeding it to him, just like how they how they got
the good Kimmit City van destroyed it, went to the restaurant he was talking
about and ate there and had all that on video. But your whole thing
was built off of this master plan feeding him this false information. You don't
have any of that documented. And on top of that, when it first
came out, you didn't just immediately say this is wrong. I got you.
H you said if I have a daughter, somebody showed me like you
got shook when neither of them have like the documentation other than like kild you
having the glove And what was Drake about the prescriptions in the in the in
the thing again he was saying that was all just a mastermind playing by Drake,
But I don't think it was. And Kendrick also said that like his
audience isn't stud like what does he say, like try to manipulate the story
however you want. The audience isn't dumb enough to believe that or like not
slow. Yeah, that's the thing if we're going to get continue on.
Yes, because because top called he's a good master manipulator and an habitual liar
as well. And then when you talk you lied about your son, you
lied about your surgery. Yeah that shi it was you bro the layers the
layers of voices like coming that is a scary song to listen to, something
like your perjury, like oh you lied about your surgery, you lied about
your religion, all this perjury that was further context to why I didn't drop
Saturday and do like another pod Saturday was because I was until not like I
was dropped. I was genuinely uncomfortable talking about it, because that's how sinister,
bro, if I had money, you know you like that someone's dying,
that's not you can't talk about my kid of every all things kid,
Hell no, hell okay, the same goals for Drake too. That's not
your kid, Like, that's my fucking kid. What do you I'm saying,
like that's the other thing too, is like I'm glad it got called
because like without documentation of anything that any of you guys are saying now,
it's just like back and forth of like and then I don't know what to
believe, you know what I'm saying Drakes. And Drake's defenses for the peto
stuff was I haven't got caught yet and and here we got molested as a
child, Like, yeah, that was a bad look. This ract went
back was like you got to which literally wasn't even true, which is just
opposite. He said in the song Wild. Last last question before break is
does this put a nail in the coffin? To Kendrick first, dre argument
was a thing for me. It's just two different two different lanes made amazing
music like bops, so you dance too is like that, and then Kendrick
made like subs. I saw somebody tweet like, if you say that you
like Drake's music better than Kendrick's, that's one thing. But saying that Drake
is a better rapper than Kendrick Lamar is just blatantly false. That's that's like
if you if you're if you're worried about you know, booty shaking, bottle
popping in the club. And that's every time I hear people like I never
said I never heard a bad bitch put on a Kendrick Lamar record. It's
like, so that's how you gauge good music is what bad bitch you're shaking
in the club. But that's your type of vibe if you want. That's
I mean, I like that Drake makes hits. I'm a Drake fan,
loves shaking as I like shaking my ass. I'm a Drake fan. I'll
jam from Drake at the club. But Kendrick, but uh, but Kendrick
is a He's a better rapper, Like it's not even close that's a to
ours. This point at Drake is like there was emptiness there where he I
found him, Like he just was repeating himself, like that part in the
fucking family matters. This is like this is this song. What are we?
What are you doing? Yeah? And just ls for Toronto all weekend,
Maple Leaves lost, Kendrick, Kendrick, just the city of Toronto,
all your crowdy's up there burning at That's just how I love that ship.
Bro. Fuck the Maple Leafs. You guys suck nothing. America wins when
Toronto loses in hockey, and it's just it was an amazing thing to see.
I called it. I called the pasta game winner and he hit it.
No, t love it that. That was insane. That was this
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was removing all copyright claims for every person doing a review to any of his
districts. He removed all so content creators were making money off of it.
There's that, and then also and Drake and Drake was getting a take BBL
Drizzy by Drake on the newest Metro booming beat. It's on Twitter. If
you guys aren't on Twitter, indoor X, what do you wanna call it?
Uh? He's picking out a winner and not only getting the beat to
claim it as your own, you're also getting ten thousand dollars cash and the
second place getting beat. So maybe might see just see some heavyweight track.
I see a heavyweight Drake distrack. I'm just saying, yeah, that was.
This is gonna be a promise, We're gonna talk sports. It's just
what Metro did there was perfect because like Metro is not going to drop a
dis track, so he just has the entire world dropping Drake dis tracks like
I heard this this Japanese one. You can't understand a word he says,
except for Drake dbl abs and like something else. It's like, yeah,
it's the entire songs in Japanese and it's a bop. And then you just
hear him go Drake hunch abs. I'm like, oh fuck, he's going
it. There's one my seventeen year old to hope you win. Yeah,
he was going crazy. That would be ironic. That would be ironic.
That would be ironic. This is I could honestly probably go half far,
and we could. Yeah we can, But then that one dude's gonna get
all but hurt. He's gone. He probably never came back about it this
week. If you guys are know, did you guys talk about rap music
like Spencer did for the first ten minutes last week, did you guys talk
about that? Yeah? I messaged it Bed. I was like, yeah,
we talked about earlier. He was well from the overt account and he
added Wilbert like not knowing it was me. He's like, well, just
to let you know, you guys lost the subscriber because of Spencer's tone and
reaction. And I was like whe cry somemory, little bitch like Jesus,
get over yourself. Yeah, boy, for real, listen to Danil by
the way. He was a legend for what he did. You guys know,
I put in the group text, but I could tell today he was
kind of like he's a little bit of Drake. He's on the Drake side.
I can tell a little bit. Oh yeah, yeah for sure.
But it's all right, all right, moving on? Yeah, sports out
there? All right? You lost the members, Yeah, let's go.
I don't know. He's easy and he's an angry old dude. That's what
he was. If bad, he could do a segment raaking top five numbers.
I'm sorry, I could talk about them, by the way, three
segments that had nothing to do with sports. The fire. Yeah, oh
he said the Rose Rose. I thought he was talking about Derek Derek ros
That's what I thought too. He was talking about oh yeah, because he's
from Confidence. Yeah. I was trying to think, like, did Derek
Rose ever play for the Raptors? But yeah, That's why I was confused,
was like, did he's not like a shoe deal with like Ovo or
something like? Is he from Compton secretly or like no, Yeah, Martin
Rose, that makes more sense. Yeah, I just assumed Drake got another
fact wrong in the beef. Yeah, as I mean, I'm gonna set
up the pot. God, I'm sorry, sweet jam music, and I
won't pack ox. Put the put the uniforms up, yeah, put in.
We gotta hate on something, yeah, track boo. Listen. We
have the coldest, arguably two of the coldest like logos and like sports history,
between the Old English D and then obviously the Old English D is everyone
rocks, even if it's kind of like the Yankee Head. You'll ste people
from all over the world rocking the Yankee head just because the Old English D
has that same symptim, it has that same value. There are three logos
in baseball that are more iconic than like baseball, and it's the Old English
D, the Yankee hat, and the Dodgers had. Those are the three
most iconic like logos in baseball. And I understand like you wanted to do
something different for the City connects. That's I'm not too mad that it's the
hats our ship. The hats are terrible, Yeah, but what pisses me
off is there's so many cold Tiger logos for them to choose from the like
the old English d with the tiger going through it, the cracked out tiger
face, the tiger swinging the baseball bat with the hat on. Like,
there's so many Colt Tiger's logos they could have used, and they just did
Detroit in old ass, basic ass font look like Neil said, it looks
like something you buy from a gas station in the hood. It does like
those head had terrible and no orange on the uniforms. Is that's garbage,
especially because orange accents blew so well. Yes, so there's not necessarily a
reason to even go away from it. Am I see those pistons jersey they
did like a little while ago. I didn't like those either. KG where
you have to do Tag's uniform, I mean they are right to me.
I don't think they the worst, but I did. I do wish they
had to throw on some kind of orange in there, maybe orange outline on
the font. But besides that, I mean, the hat is trash though.
Absolutely. Let's like the Detroit sign. I said they should do the
uh, I don't even think about that. It like the Detroit I think
I said they should have done like the the tire track in orange and the
rest of the jersey and the blue, and that would have been a cool
way to do it. Chris, Just why the fuck did you pick Hobby
Byas to be your goddamn model for this trash? But shot the guy g
Metcash got to introduce these. Yeah, uh, if you saw a couple
of Detroit rappers, it's got the Woodward sign the one on it. It's
actually a three one three, it's just the two threes are in gray for
whatever reason, or silver. Yeah, it's it's stupid if you get up
close on this three one three though, Like this will probably grow on people.
No, no, no, they're like they're like the exact same thing
as the Pistons Motor City jerseys with the Blake Griffin air. They're like black
and gray ones. Yeah, that were just stupid. Like the ladies sent
a spider Man me with them two jerseys exactly. And I don't remember those
jersey being received well either. No, they weren't because they don't look good.
It's just embarrassing a little bit. It is only because like other organizations
have had the ear of like fans, and they've they've received it. They've
gave us the trot waise back. They give us the black jerseys and then
you guys just come out of the blue with blue. I mean, I
don't like the any other City Connect jerseys throughout the MLB are so fire,
Like the Raised ones are so fire, the Chicago White Sox ones are fire,
the the Padres ones are fire, and these are just trash. Yeah,
somebody said on bed they look like Men's League softball jerseys. They do.
Literally, your uniforms are way colder than these. Honestly, I think
they definitely need a lot more orange, like if you're gonna do like an
alternate jersey like, I don't know. I just don't think they went bold
enough at all with it. I think they settled here. I guess I
didn't know they were doing new jerseys. That was everybody was already where they
were going to do new jersey. Yeah, they said they were going to
do the City Connect. There are one like the teams that were doing City
Connect this year gonna announced for the season. I have a question two about
the uniforms in general. I heard Craig Monroe said he used to rip his
pants all the time as well, but he is tremendous hands by the way,
here hands Greg's got a great fair. It was the second time the
fanatics, when fanatics took over. They're like, they say, like that
the players wanted more breathable, thinner uniforms, but like not this, like
not, we're seeing dick prints on the sidelines. Like that's how the uniforms
are trash because fanatics ruins everything and it sucks fanatics trouble more time. I'm
just trying to self at it in my head, just looking at this thing.
Because you said you would make something else orange I would have made.
I would make so you see the like blue tire track going, I would
make that orange black and orange would have been hard. That would have been
nicer some Halloween. I feel like that, that would have been cool.
But I'm telling you, put orange outline on that font right there, and
then changed they had to an old English D uniform looks totally different. That's
That's what bother means the most. Just get rid of the D. What
do we do? Yeah, we even put it as like a background behind
put it on their city on there somewhere. It's like a tiger claw going
through the motor city outlined in orange or something like that something. Man,
you could have faintly put it in the back, and I feel like this
was like a clip art. Like Illich was like, I'm not gonna pay
anybody. He gave his daughter's make us some jersey. There's so much and
I'm not even a baseball guy, but I got some takes in the illage
stuff too. When it comes to just this offense as well, let's go.
I know people want to they're gonna want to blame Scott, but I
think it's an illage thing because he's like, we're not spending bread until we
get this Amazon money for everything, including but he's right with this one.
Definitely, definitely. But what did he blame? Yeah, Chris. His
line was, literally, I don't know what's going on, but I'm gonna
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What's up though, and welcome back to what Westelvewordsports dot Com. I'm
going to be easy you o. My guys from more racks on Chris,
Let's call off. Let's Kenny GKG. In the building of the mass Chair,
someone asked, how long until Wake Upward? Isn't considered new until we've
been on three months? No, yeah, I don't think it's new anymore.
As long as part of your rotation, it ain't no more. We
still gotta show him love to catch him out every morning eight to ten.
But before I go and sell these cars, you got you know, I
gotta come piss off some Lions fans. Oh yeah, you know, you
know how to do it. Last week we teased on Friday talk about doing
it all NFC North team because we had a non lines fan in the building
and he was kind of given some non bias takes and we were like,
yeah, I guess, like, how would you rank a lot of these
guys over the rest of the division, because that's also hot top of you
now too, the divisions gotten a lot better, Yes, a lot better,
I believe, even the vikings with you nip but not to nine.
But you went back to eight under, he said, undefeated. We heard
it, so we decided to do our all NFC North offensive teams. Tomorrow
will be our defensive teams. Jack labdor who starts first? Okay, I'm
going all right for the guy running around pumaking like get a gun. No,
that's horrible. Why would you do that? He deserves to get shot.
That's it's so funny. That's a dangerous game to play, all right,
Chris, throw it up. This is my all NFC North offensive team.
Honestly, I didn't want to go first, but I can't just get
away. Finger point me like that, what at quarterback? You put Christian
Man? I put Christian Derishaw. But I got right tackle because technically right
now, right tackle, yeah, is the best tackle. Football, just
playing some I struggle with Christian Dashaw too. I was I was wondering whether
she was putting money or not. Would you end up putting him? Uh?
No, I didn't. My whole offensive line is the Lion's offensive line.
Okay, yeah, talked about that. Yeah, Honestly, I'm not
mad that because I have their best offensive line of football. We have,
Yes, we have five members of the offensive line, three of mine detour
lines. Frank rag Now, a's a gimme at the center position. Penny
will give me at whatever tackle position you wanted to put him at. I
wouldn't care if you want to take Christian Derishaw and bump him the right tackle
just for the fun of it, because is him. I would have been
met that either. But I also have, obviously Kevin Zeitler, and I'm
not gonna be surprised if Christian another Christian Mahogany becomes available on that list too.
I get. I can see it happen, you guys, I see
it happen, tight end. I know it was gonna be. I guess
conversational. I put these both on my Instagram in my ex I did ask
some people say, look Porta, but For me, it's just I'm sorry
they said Hockinson, but for me it's the Potts pots one. But I'm
great, dude. Uh. The real reason though he got that yet,
Like when he gets that ball, he's almost like a baby gronk in a
way where he's just still scooting along. He's kind of you need two people
to tackle him at all times. He's just reliable. To be that reliable
in your rookie season is high value. I think he could have easily been
second team All Pro, close to breaking rooks. Your records have never been
touched wide receiver one and two without a However, whichever worlder you have,
I'm not I don't care about that, but justin Jefferson, and I'm not
saying brow, I'm gonna be on this list. I think the third receivers
where you start to have debate. For me, it was DJ Moore.
I just I could see the argument if any of you guys had Keenan Allen,
I totally understand it, but I just think DJ Moore offers everything at
every level, so I just had to go with him. I think he
can put him in the backfield at times too. And then the running back
I thought was. Another one was like, you give me it's Jamior Gibbs.
But no, actually you had so many different A couple people on on
X had a different I forgot people Josh Jacobs. You had him in your
top five at one point last year, So yeah, some people had Josh
Jacobs for me. Personally, I have Jamior Gibbs. Similar situation with DJ
Moore do a little bit of everything, and I know, I know the
one that people are looking at him. You know, you got to explain
that my dog. I know he's gonna come at me. This is a
non biased list. I am rooted. I'm a Jared goffit, but I
commit people are better, right Like, I get that Jordan Love is better
than Jared Goff right now, you crazy? Yes, I think if you
give Jordan Love the same situation that you're giving Jared Goff, Jordan Love will
produced just as much on top of the city place. Between the two of
them, Jordan Love had more touchdowns, less interceptions. You want to throw
the fumbles in there, two okay. Jordan Love had less turnovers as a
whole than Jared Goff, also more touchdowns in Jared Goff also had the running
game to help him out there that Jared Goff had also had the same offensive
line that Jared Goff had. He did literally produced more with less turnovers and
got bounced in the second round with lesson Jared Goff. He did against the
forty nine ers, the same team that bounces us out. And when we
do you know what I'm saying, what we're doing. There more touchdowns in
the playoffs than Jared Goff. You know, only think Jared Goff had more
of them this year was yards That's okay, Yeah, yeah, I hate
quarterback yard stats anyway. Sometimes you get a lot of yak involved with that
too. We had the yak king on this team. Well, I just
tell you liked about Sam Report the yak like Jared Goff's great. Jared Golf
is good. He's our guy. I'm riding with them. We're gonna win
a super Bowl him this year. But we are for a step out and
be non biased. I would take Jordan love skill set. Why he's better.
So we are going to win a super Bowl this year. I'll say
it right, she got that out off my back. It's fair, it's
fair. I have a very very different opinion than you. In multiple position
multiple. I want to see this throw my list, Chris, so,
my list of the all NFC North is literally the same exact thing as easy
to except for I have Jared Goffer quarterbacks literally play for player. It's the
exact same thing. And like you said, Christian Dreyshaw, I'm giving him
the look over Taylor Decker just because of what he can do, how good
he is, for how young of an age he is, elegabond Jenkins Head
I think only four penalties and no sacks allowed last year from that left guard
position. He is the best left guard I believe in the NFC North,
maybe in the NFC the dudes of monster out there. Kevin Zeitler, we're
putting in there because of what he can do. I am giving Sam Laporta
the nod over TJ. Hockinson because I think he is more of a game
breaker. I think he is like you said, he's got the yak yards
when he's got the ball in his hands. I see him as more of
an elusive threat than a TJ. Hockinson. DJ Moore, I'm putting over
Keenan Allen or any of the Packers receivers just because how explosive he is Keenan
Allen was cose it was close with me for DJ Moore and Keenan Allen.
But Keenan Allen's falling out of his prime while DJ Moore is in the middle
of his prime. I think DJ Moore is becoming the better all around receiver
while Keenan Allen is going to be tapering off here in the last couple of
years of his career. Jamior Gibbs again, like you said, he's doing
all do everything back. I think he's a top three back in the NFL.
I think every single he is the most explosive running back in the NFL.
By the numbers, had more twenty yard plus touches than any other running
back in the NFL. He is a freak of nature. When you get
him in space. He was sharing a backfield with another thousand yard rusher,
which is why that he wasn't putting up sixteen hundred rushing yards like other guys
out there. So if you give Jamior Gibbs a workload like other guys are
seeing, he's gonna be putting up nasty, nasty numbers. So I think
he's the best back. And then I'm going with Jared Goff. We had
this discussion before, but I need to see it again out of out of
Jordan Love before I'm gonna say he's better than golf. We've seen Golf do
this multiple times, multiple years, in multiple different situations, and I know
the situations have always been good, with guys like Sean McVay and Ben Johnson
calling his plays and good pieces around him. But it's not like Jordan Love's
out there playing with a bunch of bumps. Jordan Love's playing with a great
play caller and play designer in Matt Lafleur. He's got four fantastic receivers.
Oh, I keep call him fantastic receivers because the same way you're saying you
gotta wait to see what Jordan Love is. Half those guys are rookies intoor
second year. Yeah, but what do you always say about wide receiver in
the NFL. That is a spot where you hit the ground running. That
is a spot that translates very easily when you're a high talent wide receiver in
college to being a high talent wide receiver in the NFL. I like those
guys a lot. I think the top the four packers wide receivers are better
than the four Lions wide receivers when you line them up and stack them down
one through four, no way. Yeah, obviously we're obviously if you look
at our top two is better and is better. And that's another thing too,
is like he spreads the ball. He is up there and he weighs
it over a lot because Alvin ra is disgustingly better than anybody else on the
Packers. But one through four, I think the Packers wide receiver corp is
deeper than one through four for the Detroit Lions. See, I don't necessarily
see as that way more than I see this kid Jordan love spreading, spreading
the love spreading the ball, and part of that could be played gone too.
But I just think he throws it to the ope man. He extends
those players, gets the ball out to whoever it may be. I think
that's why you see as a fantasy player. Any guys in the chat that
played fantasy, you know it's kind of tough of the week. You didn't
know watch receivers in golf. We made Packers Jared Goff does the same exact
thing, because you know, I'm Ross Brown get his every single week.
Yeah, but you don't know if Josh Reynolds is gonna get four catches for
seven yards, or if Jamison Williams is gonna get single year because Brown is
receiver talking, you interrupted me when I was explaining my list. You don't
have that in agreement. Packers, there was a receiver that you know every
single weeks go because nobody on the Green Bad Packers is as good as amaras
Saint Brown. If they had amor Ros Saint Brown on the Green Bad Packers,
he beginning just as many looks. But because we have a first team
All Pro player at that position, obviously you're gonna prioritize getting him the ball
more. But outside of that, you don't know who's gonna beat you on
this Lions offense. You don't know if it's gonna be Sam Laporta or if
it was Josh Reynolds, or if it was Jamison Williams. One week,
you didn't know if it was Jamior Gibbs. Obviously, Amon Ros Saint Brown's
gonna get his because he's the best, if not the second best receiver in
the division. He's a first team All Pro player, so you're not gonna
not throw him the ball. If the Packers had amor Ross Saint Brown,
they'd be giving him the ball just as much and then distributing it around him.
I can't, we can't say that for sure. It was like if
fans are butts or whatever nology people used for that one. But when you
watch jord of Love, you just they just spread the ball around more.
Uh. Even the top three receivers are all within like twohundred yards of each
other, Jayden Reid, Romeo Dobbs, and the Davion Wicks. That's without
Christian Watson even being healthy. Eight touchdowns for Reid, a touchdowns for Dobbs.
It's kind of all over the place. But I know what Cag's got.
KG you Detroit's first round pick. Yes, Sirry, ultimately, I
know you got jg on there. But where you at? This was a
very biased lineup of mine, but you can go ahead throw mine up pretty
much. I did find based off of the twenty twenty three stats, so
I ended up, of course, Jared Goff left tackle. Oh we didn't
have the image. Oh you know, I don't think get it together,
Chris, I don't think. I don't think I think we got it in
late all right, Well, let me uh let me pull up on my
got yeah, yeah, but yeah, I had uh Jared Golf of course.
At left tackle, I struggled with Uh. I struggled with Taylor Decker
because I wanted to put Christian I mean, or Derris Shaw there, but
Taylor Decker he had maybe two more sacks than him, but they had the
same amount of penalties. So to me, Taylor Decker is the better of
the tackles, even though he had two more penalties. The rest of the
offensive line, a lot of the offensive lines in the NFC North for still
relatively young, so I tried to just stay with the more experienced though line.
But at tight end you got Sam laporta best rookie tight end season ever
really especially in the modern day. Justin Jefferson of course, best wide receiver
in the NFC North. But then you got a Miya Ras Saint Brown who's
right on his heels. I got DJ Moore. He had more yardage and
less reception, so I took him instead of Keenon Allen. And then David
Montgomery man because he just he had it all. He had the double digit
touchdowns over twelve hundred yards, and I think his season was really slept on
last year. I know Jamier Gibbs the more electric, he had more yards
per carry, but I chose to go with David Montgomery. So that is
my list. Very lion centric. But yeah, I'm not mad at it.
And tomorrow too, we'll come back with the same list, excepting Wi
be the defense side of the ball when we get back. Actually, yeah,
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by Swimo Rex. You don't go to Nicholas Cole off kg we just did
our We just did our all NFC North offensive teams. Nick reactions, Yeah,
I think the offensive side on this one. I mean it's pretty chalk
to be honest, Like you guys obviously had very similar lists. But obviously
it's it comes down to the quarterbacks. I mean, that's what is controversial
here is you have Jordan Love over Jared Goff. I'm still at the point
we got to see it for the second year as Jordan Love. I think
he does have an extreme hot an extremely high upside, but I do want
to see it another year for Jordan Love and the fact that JJ McCarthy was
not your number one quarterback just playing. But yeah, that was my biggest
takeaway of it. Jaska start reading. I'm already know it can be a
lot to go golf. So had O'Neill just go and root for another team?
What else we got here? Jared Goff doesn't get injured by trying to
run like a running back. Cardier I commented to just a fans that tried
to take the bias out when when doing my analysts, he says, nobody
else does. You'll only smart one dot that dot what about Dion's my guy,
It's my brother. Been going live with them every single Tuesday after the
draft, even doing last week, right, God, have you seen Dion's
room? All right? Have you seen it? There's a lot of lines
in the slappy for sure. Yeah, but it is damn so yeah,
that's my guy. Love, a mobile quarterback, gets a lot of praise
to shift God. Cary brings up Anthony rich and getting hurt, and Jordan
loves not Anthony Richson. So I don't I don't know how that one comes
in, but uh yeah, but yeah, I did put Love over golf
in my all NFC North offense and by the numbers, less turnovers, more
touchdowns, that's putting on your feet and throwing Jordan Love had him beat with.
I'd say a lesser offense in my opinion, probably good. I'd say
I would say just good play gong, because I do look at Ben Johnson
as like, yeah, goaded, but pretty pretty damn good. Play pretty
good. It's not that big of a fall off like justin Yeah, he's
up there for sure. Less offensive line, I would say he's a top
five play color in the NFC. The floor for sure. Yeah, So
yeah, it's like Shanahan McVeigh, Ben Johnson Lafleur, and I don't even
know who i'd put it five. Yeah, Bunter asked, does win counts?
Do wins count? No, not quarterbacks stat for me? When quarterbacks
that well, I mean it's not an actual stat, but when it should
matter though, when it should matter with that too, like we saw here
firsthand, like Matthew Stafford five thousand yard season, five thousand yard season,
lose the season, lose the season just over five hundred. Like That's why
I don't deal with yards too much, even in the Jordana Love versus or
Jordan Yeah, Joe Love Versusjared golf. You know your golf would take that
in yardage. And then you also look at them attempts. I think you
had like twenty more attempts as well. You know what I'm saying. But
yards you can make, you could draw some context to him touchdowns and exceptions.
That's where I live off of, like my quarterback value. Yeah,
I mean that's what wins and loses your games, is scoring touchdowns or throwing
interceptions. So I'm not mad at it. Like I said, it's if
you want to our, you the Jordan Love over Jared Goff stuff. You
can you can argue that, but I'm I need to see it at least
one more year at the quarterback position because that is the most important position,
especially when tape gets out on you, and teams have a full year of
you playing the quarterback position, they'll be able to game plan and scheme better.
I took it exactly what DCP one said. If you're picking a quarterback
to build a team, you're picking you know who. I want to say
a lot because it's gross because he is. This was all NFC North So
that's why I felt like it had to be Golf. That's second best quarterback
in the NFC. What do you mean he has less touchdowns than Jordan Love
and more turnovers. It don't matter. Man. He got to the NFC
championship game. They got bounced by the same team a week earlier. Yeah,
I'm not going to put that as an argument because that's that's a team.
That's a team accomplishment. Yeah yeah, but he was a lot of
the reason they got there. Completion percentage throughout the playoffs like them on again,
not the team accomplishment. I get it. I'm a I get to
a lot of people Jered Goff fence. I just I think there's a reason
why Jered Goff had these numbers right top ten. I believe everything. I'm
not mistaken. Didn't get a single and I'm not just not me ragging on
the guys. I told you the Dallas game he was kind of bordering into
the top five. But the Dallas game, thank you. See, I
didn't think that was it because that's just one game he still had that was
the most watched game that season. Because even in that situation, he did
come back and have the game winning touchdown Tech League and then would have had
the game winning two point conversion. You know what I'm saying. I just
I don't think it's sync to that much. The reason why the real reason
with ball Knower's they don't mean iNFiNiT anybody, but you put on the tape
or just study like the context around everything, great play calling, great offensive
line. It's not diminishing Jered Goff either way. I'm just saying, like
there's a reason why he's not giving these MVP notes even back when he was
in LA. I just don't wi argument, because of course, you want
a good team around your quarterback. You're not just gonna give them garbage.
Absolutely, but it's like, okay, now, our success the contributing factors,
Like when you watch Jordan Love put up these numbers, You're watching them.
Okay, this is sack coming, I'm breaking out, I'm running,
I'm gonna make this throw on the run man first down, different quarterbacks,
it's different ways the skin of cat. It's your your contributions to it.
The way I put it, and I've said this before too, is like,
what are you doing outside the structure of play to make things happen?
You're doing some perfect side the structure of play. You're doing your goddamn job.
You're doing it great. Jared Goff is great at that outside the structure.
If he's pressured, sometimes you're not able to get it. He takes
a sack or throws it out of bounds. Whatever it may be, is
what it is. I have no issue with it. He's keeping the ball
clean. Jordan Love has ability to extend that play saying you still keep it
alive. That's that's why we do those MVP votes. It's like, Okay,
Jared Goss's putting the work within the structure of play with a great system
with the great offensive line, help them keep them up right to make these
plays. I'm not I'm not trying shut up. Why he's not getting VP
votes is the reason why? Well, like I said, I just need
to see another year of Jordan lift. That's completely fair. I have no
I have no beef with that. To be honest with you, is it
too bold to maybe even go with the number one overall prospect here? Do
you think he should be in the discussions? Because he is, he has
Williams. He gotta earn it. Bro, you's gotta take a like how
many times Johnny Manziel like, you can have all the hype, and I
think Caleb Williams is gonna be a great quarterback. Yeah, he's a little
zesty and he he don't matter. I think he's gonna touchdown. I don't
care if you're payting your fingernails. If you could throw four hundred yards of
four touchdowns, like, it doesn't matter to me. So he's but I
think he's gonna be a good quarterback. But I'm not putting him up there
yet, not even close. He's got he's got to play before I'm gonna
say he's he's better than these guys. I like I said, the Jordan
love stuff one hundred percent. Get where you're coming from easy. Like like
you said, he can move around the pocket very well. He makes throws
on the run very well. You see his mannerisms in the way he does
stuff. It's very Rogers esque with how his body language and his fakes and
stuff like that. You can tell you sitting behind that for a couple of
years, Sonny, it's tough. Can they have a bad quarterback once?
Yeah, Well, we'll see. We'll see. Like I said, the
league's got tape on him now, So this is the year for him to
prove that he's really liked that and your best work might be a light pack
like he might not be outlived, Mike, We'll see, Like I said,
this is the year for him to prove it, because the league knows
who you are now. The league has tape on your reads and your mannerisms.
So if you go out there and do it again, then yet then
you're legit Broder. With some facts, Jared Goff is the best number one
overall pick in the division. That's fact as right now. Yes, I
can't argue with that one. I didn't read this one. Yes, I'm
not gonna jump in and read it. I guess I'll read a blindly fuck
it. Okay, here's my question for easy. With the Lions current roster,
if they play any team nor case in the Super Bowl, can they
win it up with golf? Or is golf breaking point for you? If
if you're in the game, you can win it. I think they I
think they can win the Super Bowl with go I think this team that they've
compiled around him place to his strengths extremely well. You have a top five
play caller in the NFL in Ben Johnson. You have a lot of great
yards after catch pieces like Amanas Saint Brown and Sam Laporta and Jmier Gibbs and
James and Williams, the guys that can make things happen with the ball in
their hands in space. So I think it's very, very very reasonable to
say they can get it done with Eric Goff with this team around them.
But we talked about it now. They already paid I know this is an
argument for another day, but they already paid Amina Saint Brown, they already
paid Penney Suel. We all love Aiden Hudginson. We want them to pay
Aiden Hodgson. There are other guys that are gonna need to get contracts down
the line. Can you pay all of them and keep the same roster.
No, you literally can't. It's been proven that you can't do that.
But that's something we'll run into when we get to it. Right now,
they have a roster that's good enough to win the Super Bowl. In my
mind, this is probably the best point, and shame on me for now
thinking of it. Credit to Robert Hayden. Phenomenal point, and he says,
actual, Jim, ask you this one, all right, if you
switch situations between golf and love, do you think it'd be just as successful
with golf and carry Green Bay to that second round of playoffs with that coaching
staff. I feel like he could honestly, all right, I mean I
understand that ain't your cup of tea, but do you think Love would have
gone also to this conference championship with this? If let's say anythinks that the
green Bay wide receivers are better than the Lions wide receivers. They have a
run game, they have good coaching. Everything that golf needs is in Green
Bay as well. If Aaron, if Aaron Jones wasn't a China Doll like
Jones and j does Aaron Jones a j Don is a good combination of running
backs to have. Now, do you think the Lions would have gone just
as far as Jordan Love? That offensive line? And in the same excuse
you gave, that's tough because Love sat for a long time. This last
year was his first four year. Just last year swapping them out, inexperience
tells me that he wouldn't have made it as far. Yes, he would
have been successful. I don't think he makes it as far as golf because
the golf has been there before. Nick, you had to end up.
No. I was talking to Chris. Oh good, Nick, I know
what's going on, and I think that's the best liked. Do you think
a bit of a second round? I don't even know who did they play
in the first round? Dallas, Dallas, Yeah, yeah, Dallas,
yeah, Dallas. I think like they have. Obviously, if you have
Jared Goff, you would have to tailor the offense differently than you do with
Jordan Love. But I think the weapons that they have in Green Bay are
equitable to what Jared Goff wants to do. Like, you could tailor that
offense and those guys around Jared Goff's strengths, like Jayden Reid run after catch
would be nasty. Romeo Dobbs he could be that slant guy, that in
the middle guy. And on top of that you got Christian Watson who could
be a deep shot reverse run after like they have great weapons. Taking a
little bit of a hitting the tight end department because loop Us Gray still got
a little ways to go. The porter just kind of came out the gate.
But I mean everything else is essentially there that Golf would need. So
yeah, that's just me. Brother asked, have a question, how much
better is Jared Golf? Desmon Ridder a lot better? Yes, not even
close? Yeah, like that very weak arm. Yeah, Desmond Rider is
the worst quarterback in the NFL. It's really not close. Well what about
Mac Jones though, I take Mac Jones over Desmond Ridder really yeah? Yeah,
Mac Jones just showed us he can do something in the league at some
point, truly convinced, like a lot of people, like if we have
Patrick Mahomes's division, he would still be pissed off ed if I had had
no No, there's this chat, yeah kidding me. I mean they definitely
throw golf, but golf beat him twice. Yeah, chet, wait,
super Bowls me nothing? Will you just said wins me nothing? Super Bowls
be nothing. We don't call them gawkers for nothing, but that's very true.
I also think there are reasonable people in the chat. There are.
I appreciate my time with you boys. I'm looking forward to watching ag kill
it. Yeah. Man on the Mighty, they might kick me off for
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his scratches some clips. So you just got done breaking down Jordan Love and
the situation going on with the Packers and the Lions. The one thing the
Lion I talked about, the Lions receiving core. It was a little bit
lacking. Some people still think they need a wide receiver. They need to
add a wide receiver, and I have faith in Donovan People's jones to be
able to step up into that wide receiver role. Is there a guy on
this free agent's list that you would like to see different? Peace people that
have talked about are Jay Jones formerly for the Jacksonville Jaguars, or Tyler Boyd,
who has spent his time in the Cincinnati organization. Between those two guys,
who would you rather see an Alliance uniform? I think I would rather
see Tyler Boyd, But it's just about the money man. I think he's
going to cost too much money. Zay Jones wouldn't be bad in that spot
though. I like the speed a lot. He has solid hands. But
to be honest, I'm in your bow. I feel like DPJ is going
to be the answer for this team. They took a risk on him only
one year, two million dollars. But you're looking at a guy that almost
had a thousand yard season, almost playing the same type of wide receiver role.
So I would lean more toward DPJ. But if they want to add
a receiver, why not. Yeah, I look at it as I'm the
same with you. I think DPJ can step up because I'm expecting a big
jump from Jameson Williams to be that wide receiver two. Yes, and then
I think DPJ could be the wide receiver three in this offense. But if
we're looking at one of these guys, I'd rather be Jay Jones. Honestly,
I think Jay Jones is more comfortable playing that outside receiver role where Tyler
Boyd kind of by necessity, just because of they already had Jamar Chase and
T Higgins as their outside receivers, played majority in the slot in Cincinnati.
But Jay Jones plays that outside role. He played it in a couple different
organizations. I believe he played it with the Bills, the Raiders, and
the Jaguars in his career. I know two years ago I think for the
Jaguars was his best season where he's close to a thousand receiving yards. But
I think he's more comfortable in their outside role and that's what we need.
We don't need a slot guy. We got Amara Brown the slot god.
We got Cleeve Raymond who can play that slot as well. And I think
if they're gonna add somebody, it's gonna be somebody on the outside, and
I think Zay Jones fits it better than tell Well. I mean, would
they even need it. The way they use their receivers, it's always different,
you know, so I don't know necessarily, like, yes, you
want a receiver with outside presence, but we have that on the team,
and when you add another receiver to this room, I just feel like you
could be taking targets away from JMO, which is kind of the point.
They wanted to phase more into JMO this year. So that's why I think
is not a priority. But I wouldn't be mad at Issa Jones, absolutely
not. But I just feel like Tyler Boyd. He just he fits more
of that role and then maybe you can use DPJ more on on red zone
downs. He's a big body. You need a big body down there to
be able to catch passes in the end zone. But that's just me,
though, I would prefer Tyler Boyd. I want to see did Zay Jones
does he does any punt return or kick return work good? But we we
got Khalif Raymond DPJ can return kiss they talking about Jamo might possibly do it
with remember with that news the new rules, like you can never have enough
of those guys to throw back there and be able to do some different yea
hockey. Yeah, Craig Reynolds, we know has dabbled in that before.
It doesn't look like he did not return kicks or punts. Yeah, just
throw that out the window. Yeah, but that is another guy that's I
like your point. Though they use the wide receivers, it's so differently.
None of these guys are structured into a role. They all do different right.
The mind rad lines up on the outside. Sometimes you'll see Jamo on
the slide. You gonn see a lot of different things. And then they
also mix in the backs as well. So you don't want I have too
many miles, you know, that's fair. Nick. I am with Tyler
Boyd on this one. I mean he's put up a couple thousand yard receiving
seasons. He's a veteran that you could rely on in this league and played
seventeen games last year, you know, so it doesn't get hurt as well.
I think he'd fit right in with this offense what we'd like to do.
But I don't think it's like a massive, like massive need like people
were talking about during the draft, like I think DPJ does step up in
that role for the third receiver, and like you said, Spendmo, I
had the sky's the limit for Jameson Williams. I have the highest of expectations
that he's going to absolutely explode in his third season, so I think a
lot of the targets are going to go to him. That's the question though,
how much of elite does Jamo need to take in order for him to
justify that number two. I think, like we've heard we heard Dan Campbell
speak on it before, where he's never going to be the all hands guy,
even though we saw some nasty hands catches from him at the end of
the year last year. He's never gonna be the Amen Ross Saint Brown type
of volume gu Yeah, he's not gonna be the fifteen targets ten receptions a
week kind of guy. I would like to see him at about four five
catches a week, yes, with a couple reverses thrown in there too,
so like, yeah, seven touches a week. That would be perfect for
me and am like, this is a guy who per touch has one of
the best touchdown to touch ratios in the NFL. So if you get him
more touches and more involved in the offense. It's only gonna do good things
for you, That's true. But I mean a lot of people they just
want to see more from JMO lights stats wise, What do you think is
a realistic like stat expectation from him this year? Because I feel like anything
under probably eight or nine hundred, people are probably still gonna be upset with
the kid. Anything under eight hundred yards and I'd be a little disappointed.
I think he's gonna be around eleven hundred all purpose yards, So whether that
be nine hundred receiving, two hundred rushing, and then around ten touchdowns,
that's what I expect from him because you know we're gonna get the stat lines.
Jameson Williams three catches, seventy five yards, two touchdowns in a game
like and that's the perfect Jameson Williams game. That's true. That's something I
would like to see. That's big things. I was right there with you,
Spenny, I wrote it down while you were talking ten touchdowns, twelve
hundred total yards. I think that he just adds so much to this offense,
where like if Ben Johnson doesn't get him more involved, I'm gonna be
a little concerned, yeah, because he does just score touchdowns. Like literally,
it feels like every time he touches the ball, it seems like he's
running in the end zone. So I think that we definitely need to use
him on more reverse run plays this season because they've all gone for like forty
yards in a touchdown. It seems like grace. How do you feel about
Jamo? I love it. I love the position he's in because you know
what he is somebody that's been vocal, and I don't mean this a negative
way, but he has been vocal about wanting opportunities, and this is a
this is an awesome opportunity to be, you know, especially if you aren't
consistently counting on a third wide receiver. This is a chance to really be
in a sense, not just a TU but kind of a one B right,
Like, this is a chance. This is a lot of opportunity that
he can that he can get here, And I like the position that the
Lions are in when it comes to Zay Jones and Tower Board, I'm right
with you guys on expectations for Jmo. But when it comes to adding a
receiver, I think the Lions are in a position where they can wait out
to season, see what cuts happened before the season. If anyway they like,
go ahead and get them. If not, you can play this out
to the trade deadline. You really can, Like, I think this is
a this is a roster that right now in an offense as potent enough,
you give Jamo all those extra touches. Then at the trade deadline, if
you really feel like you don't trust trust dpust go out. You go out
and you get and you and you get that final piece right at right at
the deadline. But yeah, I think I think you let this. I
think you let this team run and see what it what it, what it,
what's made of unless you get opportunity that has to get to pass up.
And I see people talking in the comment session, like Brothers said,
I'd rather have more targets for guys like Jmo, DPJ Khalif and maybe a
few for Green. I mean, this is the same receiving core we had
last year, but without Josh Reynolds. Yeah, so there is a lot
of targets there to go around, and I don't think adding another piece to
this is going to kind of nullify the targets for different guys. Like Jamo
is going to be scripted his five targets in game now because of the connection
that him and Golf have. In these past couple games, we saw that
chemistry and that trust get there. They're gonna have the full offseason. He's
not going to be suspended to start the year or injured to start the year,
you know, right, and so he's gonna be hit the ground running.
He's gonna be scripted at least five catches, at least five touches in
the game, I believe. So. I think there's plenty of targets to
go around. And you look at last year, he was technically like the
third option in the offense. I think this year that definitely gets moved up,
and a lot of this is going to be dependent on DPJ to step
into that Josh Reynolds type row. I know a lot of people hated on
Josh Reynolds for the NFC Championship game, right, Yeah, that's the reason
why we lost it. I understand that. I understand that. But what
he did during the season and essentially since he came here, he really helped
ignite that offense. He got Jared Goff to a place where he was spreading
the ball around more. But he was also able to find guys and you
saw him struggle less, you saw him turn over the ball less. Gave
him some comfortability. And I feel like DPJ he needs to step into that
role because last year he was virtually invisible, right And Jamo has a skill
set on this team that no one else can mimic. Like we have the
guys like I'm in Saint Brown and the Khaliff Raeman and last year at Josh
Reynolds and Sam Laporta. All these guys eat in the middle of the field.
Different things like that Jamison Williams is the only player on this team that
has that oh fuck speed, yeah, where like if he gets it,
if he gets in a full run going right at you, you're saying,
oh fuck, because you're back pedaling against him. And we saw that evident
to that in that Tampa Bay game when they were starting to clog it up
a little bit, the offense started to bog down a little bit, and
then they hit Jamo over the top for that big touchdown. And the rest
of the game, though, that middle of the field was a little bit
more open because Antoine Winfield and All Pro safety one of the best safeties in
the NFL has to account for arguably the fastest player in the NFL right on
the other side, Like, if he gets a step on you, your
fucking toast. So that is the only guy, Like I love that.
I just thought of that, and I love it. As his descriptor is
Jamo's got that oh fuck speed to where if he gets a step on you,
it's over. And he is the only guy in the wide receiving corps
that has that kind of explosion. So I think he's going to be involved
a lot more and it's not just gonna be as a decoy like it was
a lot less. And when you think about it, that's scary, man,
because this was a top three offense without Jamo taking the top off man.
And I kept saying that last year, if you can get Jamo to
write amount of touches in games, man, I swear this will unlock a
whole new level to this offense. But a lot of that is going to
be dependent upon the jam O Goff relationship. Do you think their relationship has
taken maybe a step up? I felt like more times than not, it
was a trust factor, like golf had learned trust Jamo, and once he
got that, you saw it more. Yeah, as time went on.
Do you think that relationship is improved? I do? I do. I
think Jamo did a lot to improve it in those last couple of games,
like we saw them. Give him a little bit of more of a rout
tree, yeah, and him make those contested catches where he's got somebody draped
all over him and it's all hands at the top of the route or him
in the back of the end zone making an all hands catch, And that's
the kind of stuff you want to earn a quarterbacks trust you don't drop the
ball. And so the start of Jameson Williams's career was kind of a perfect
storm of terrible situation. It really was like he had the injury that he
had to bounce back from and then he started getting going a little bit,
then gets suspended and when he comes back then he has a little bit of
the drops. So you don't have the rapport with golf from reps because you're
suspended an injury, and then when you're getting it in game, you have
the drops, which makes a quarterback lose confidence in you. But now he's
seen that he's that's not our thing. I think Jmo has righted his wrongs.
We didn't talk about Jami dropping the ball for the whole second half of
the year last year. That's true, so I expect them to have a
lot more confidence, especially with a full offseason, a full training camp ready
to go next year. I think it's gonna definitely help their rapport. We
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and welcome back to the wilburd iv Wait, it's live on Wilbart Spoils Times.
Spencer Aster. He is KG filling in for easy. We got Chris
on the TD booth and Nick on the woods and twos with Free and Jesus
cutting his crestion in the mes chair and the amazing Bethany in the back but
you can't see her, so we appreciate you all tapping in. We just
were talking about Donovan Peoples, Jones, Jamison Williams, who's going to replace
that Josh Reynolds role. And I thought about, like, I think,
obviously it's gonna be a little bit from everybody, because not just one person
is going to take over his role, but specifically what he brought to the
table. You talked about Jamison Williams filling that role more running those routes.
I think Donovan People's Jones is gonna be the guy we see take over that
role in the red zone. Yeah, because he is the big body guy.
He is the sixth three, you know, forty five inch vertical dude.
I think he can be the red zone threat on this team that Josh
Reynolds was when he was under team Yeah, and that was a big role
or big reason why they brought in Josh Reynolds in the first place was to
be that big target. And you saw him kind of thriving that. Now
we we have seen DPJ do this. Like I said, he was a
guy that was close to one thousand yards before. He's he's been that red
zone target before, and you just want to see him continue to grow.
Now. I don't know what his relationship with Golf of d like this year.
Like I said last year, towards the trade THATWN line understandably he had
to pick up the playbook. He didn't have that much rapport with Golf.
But I expect him to What do you think is a realistic expectation for him,
because Dune he needs. I feel like he can get in that six
to seven hundred range. You got amyro Say Brown, who teams are gonna
be game planning for. Everybody knows about Jamo's speed. So Jamo absolutely,
they're gonna be trying to account for him, especially plays deep. I feel
like that opens the middle and down low for DPJ to get those dirty yards.
But what does that look like. I think Donovan Peoples Jones is going
to be like kind of in the JMO role of last year, where it
depends the flavor of the week, where whether it's one week he goes for
five catches for sixty yards and the next week he goes for two targets and
doesn't do it. I think it's gonna depend on the game flow what's going
on there. But also he is probably your number two red zone threat on
this team behind Sam Laporta. Yeah, so expect him to be in a
lot of the red zone sets. Expect him to be If you're gonna throw
a fade to a wide receiver on this team, it's gonna be Donovan Peoples
absolutely, So I could see him eating a lot in the red zone as
well as being the kind of glue piece where if this isn't working, if
that isn't working, if they're doubling Amara Saint Brown and taking it over from
JMO on the top, you got DPJ. One on one on the outside,
he can make a play. Yeah, and you also still have to
account for the backs in the backfield. You do feel like they're gonna utilize
Jamr a little bit more. We know last year he kind of struggled in
that role. I was really surprised, like I thought he would have a
lot more catches. Toward the end of the year, he kind of got
better with that. But I expect them to still try to utilize Jamir a
lot in those back out of the backfield passing sets and things of that nature.
So it's just interesting, man, because they do everything so differently here
man, and they really have a knack of spreading the ball around to pretty
much everybody. Like you said, it's gonna be pretty much a flavor of
the weak type situation. So it's kind of hard to gauge. But I
do expect DPJ to come in here and be able to put up similar if
not, you know, the same number. Yeah. How do you feel
about how that backfield breaks down? Do you think it's like it was last
year where it's DeMont He's gonna be your hammer and then you're bringing Gibbs to
switch it up a little bit or do you think they lean more Jamir Gibbs
now, seeing what he can do, Seeing how he took over for David
Montgomery when he was injured and looked like one of the best backs in football,
you think they lean on him and give him the rings. Now,
technically, I do feel like Montgomery is still RB one on this team,
but Jamiir Gibbs is absolutely gonna get way more touches this year. I really
think it's going to be game plan game plan dependent. But you also have
to account shown Avaki. This is somebody that they brought in. He was
drafted as a safety, but when he was here for his Top thirty visit,
they utilized him more in the with the offensive coaches than they did the
defensive coaches. They clearly have a plan for him. I think he gets
into the mix somewhere too explosive. Man still kind of have Craig Windo's uh
waiting in the rings too, So man, I just don't It's a lot
that they can do. Man, it is absolutely a lot that they can
do. But Dima absolutely is that first back to me still. He proved
it last year over a thousand yards, double digit touchdowns. He was your
workforce back and you want to keep some of that tread off of Jamiir Gibbs
tires as well. See I disagree. I think that Jamior Gibbs should be
your RB one going forward. Okay, I think he showed, Like the
concern with people was can he run between the tackles? Can he do it
between the tackles? He showed last year he could do it between the attacks.
Yeah. Like I said, he is the most explosive running back in
the NFL. He has more twenty yard touches than any other running back in
the NFL, and that was he had almost a thousand yard season while splitting
a backfield with another thousand yard rusher Troue with barely getting any touches in his
first four or five. If it ain't Brophy fix it, I just think
it could be so much more of a weapon. Like we saw how good
that offense looked when unfortunately David Montgomery is hurt. But when Jamier Gibbs was
that RB one and he was running through everybody, I think you lean to
that more. Obviously, Montgomery is still a great running back that you can
give it to between the tackles and he can catch the ball in the backfield
too as well. But I just would like to see them lean towards Gibbs
just because of how explosive and how much of a weapon he is. I
understand, but I really wit Air Tours decide to keeping the traid off the
tires light. Like you said, it worked pretty much as is. He
almost got a thousand yards being the quote second back. Yeah, but I
mean when you look at Jamiir Gibbs, I feel like, in time he
will eventually take over that running back one row. But while you have DMO
on this team, you do need to utilize him because he is so good
at running between the tackles. And not to say Jamiir Gibbs can't, but
I would prefer to keep him as the change of pace. Not to say
he's just a change of back, but I would prefer to keep him in
that change of pace. You throw off defenses so much when you have a
power runner like David Montgomery, and then you switch it up to the finesse
style of Jamiir Gibbs almost Barry like, it's almost Barry esque. Man is
scary man. And then also, like I said, utilizing him out the
backfield as well, so he'll be doing more double duty in that department than
David Montgomery. So for right now, I would still air David Montgomery first,
but you're gonna get a heavy dose of Gibbs. Don't get it messed
up. Oh for sure. Yeah, it's that's what. It's not even
really like an RB one situation. Yeah, it's like like those guys both
getting an insane amount of run. And I do think that we're gonna see
some Ben Johnson get a little freaky next year. Maybe both of them in
the back field at the same time. Six nine god like, maybe both
of them in the backfield at the same time. Maybe Jamior Gibbs in a
wildcat situation, maybe Jamiir Gibbs lined up as a slot motioning like. I
think they have the freedom to do a lot in this offense. I would
love to see that. I don't know why they haven't done it to this
point, because that's something I was screaming before. Why don't you have both
of these guys in the backfield at the same time. They're both dynamic.
David Montgomery, yes he's a power runner, but he also has some speed
on him. Man, we saw a lot of just breakaway runs from here.
The long year, I'm pretty sure you had the longest running football,
didn't even like a seventy five yard touchdown run. You see what happens,
Yeah, see what happens when you actually give him an offensive line to run
behind, because that was the problem in Chicago. He never had the old
line for him, but he always had that ability. Yeah. So,
like I said, while you got him here, I just feel like you
definitely need to utilize them, especially coming off the year that he kind of
had last year. I love David Monca. I always liked David Montgomery.
Even when he was in Chicago. He was a thousand He had a thousand
plus all purpose yards every single year of his career. And that's even looking
in Chicago when he had nobody running like nobody in front of him. And
now he's got the best offensive line in football round behind Nick. How do
you feel about it? Yeah, I think that Gibbs should be getting close
to like seventeen eighteen touches a game. That's Romack because I think he's so
dynamic. I would love to see him coming out of the backfield in some
wheel routes because I think with Jamo's speed, going deep, you can easily
do something with Gibbs out of there. You got to catch it. He
got to catch it. That was saw some We saw some drops this season,
especially early. I think there was a big one in that Seahawks loss,
if I'm not mistaken as well. So I would love to see his
touches get up close to like seventeen eighteen per game because I think he has
the ability to just break down defenses by himself, and I think I think
we're going to see that a lot this year. But and not taking anything
away from Demo, but it's just less explosiveness, you know. But I
think Demo or DeMont is big for this team. Also, want to give
a quick little update. Has officially gone yard to lead off the game.
First first absolute superstar in the making, Riley Green. This team would be
unwatchable if he wasn't on the team's facts. We're gonna be talking about the
Tigers in a little bit. But Chris, how do you feel about the
running back situation? Listen, I think that Gibbs has done everything he could
to earn, you know, to earn RB one touches. But I I
agree with KG here. I think KG made a exce some point. I
think I think there is a there is an advantage to using Monty as still
the kind of the lead back by default, but then having gives for that
change of pace, because I just think that was so that was so unpredictable
and it was so it was so tough for defenses. I think when they
got going at the end of the year, I think you saw the best
version of this Lion's running running team. Because the times when you know,
would you love Gibbs to get the Baltimore Yeah, but the times Manti got
it, It's not like it's not like you were like, damn, should
have gave it to Gibbs there. Yeah, Like how many times did you
say that this season? I don't ever remember saying those words. Then another
thing with Gibbs, and he is still learning this. He got better as
the year win along, but he's learning to become a more patient runner.
Like he gets the ball and he just so fast sometimes doesn't let the line
develop all the way. And we saw a lot of times last year him
get stopped in the backfield, the NFC Championship being the biggest one, and
normally you wouldn't see that from him. But he's getting better at being a
patient runner, but that's also something that he still needs to work on as
he goes along. It was just his rookie year. I expect him to
get better, but and that's I remember Austin Eckler saying that about by the
way, Austin Eckler, you owe some fucking eyebrows, Broer. We didn't
forget he got the clip pay up. He said, top fifteen running backs,
both of them in fantasy, you're shaving your eyebrows. Well happened,
so bring those eyebrows here. But he did say that. I think it
was that interview. I think he said, like you got, as running
back, you attack half a man, and David Montgomery is extremely good at
doing that. That's why he breaks so many tackles. That's why he's so
hard to get down because he at texts the half of the guy. And
we saw, like you said, Gibbs started to get that as he went
on in his rookie and then at the end of the year when he's fucking
making Vikings defenders look like idiots. By the time the Raiders game came,
it was he had it. He had it. I loved I just love
seeing Jamir Gibbs play football. It's so much fun and it's We're gonna watch
a lot of it for a long time. With Jimir Gibbs in Honolulu Blue
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for easy. We got Chris on the ones and twoes, Nick in the
audio booth, and our god choreaing Jesus in the mess. We just got
done talking about Lions. We talked a lot about the Lions, about the
wide receiver situation, the running deck situation. Now let's shift over to the
Tigers and what's going on there. They got swept by the Yankees over the
weekend. Honestly, kind of you can't. It was an extremely pitiful,
pitiful performance by the offense. You had the pitching staff go out there,
Turik schoolbo Reyese Olsen give you two fantastic outings and you just waste both of
them. And the thing that sticks out is Spencer Turtleossen. I know we
talked about it on VD, but this is a guy who hit thirty home
runs last year. This is a guy who you drafted first overall one to
one. This is a guy who you expected to be the centerpiece of your
offense. And this is a guy who can't hit a fucking fastball? What's
going on with Spencer Tarbert Lowell? Like you said it, it's the fastball,
and he's just he's in his head, man, and you can tell
he's pressing. He's pressing really hard, man. And I know it's only
May. You want to see him start to hit home runs, but I
don't even need that from him. I just need him to start putting the
ball and play. It seems like with this guy every few days he gives
you a couple doubles and then he just oh for four, oh for two,
oh for three. You want to see him do better because this Tigers
offense isn't gonna go anywhere without Spencer Torkosen starting to warm up, and you
don't want to see it wait until after All Star break. We saw him
get off to a slow start last year, but around August or so he
really started ramping up. You want to see him do this earlier in the
season so we can get runs on the board and not waste these good pitching
performances. Man, like this starting lineup and this bullpen. Although the bullpen
has been getting touched lately, you're still one of the more above average bullpens
in baseball, and you just you hope that they can turn it around.
But it starts with tork Man. Tork is a big key to this car,
and I just hope you can get it going soon. Man, you
or you got to send him. You gotta send it. I think you
gotta send him down right now. I think, like, like we talked
about, it's you see him falling in the batting order. This is a
guy who had that four spot baked in, Like he's your cleanup hitter beginning
this year. Like, that's your guy. He's gonna hit your home runs,
he's gonna drive that, he's gonna drive the runners in and he hasn't
been able to do that. And I'm not asking for him to be this,
you know, Miguel Cabrera two point zero. I'm not asking for him
to be Albert Poohles. I'm asking for him to hit two sixty with some
power. Yeah, Like if he was hitting two sixty with five bombs right
now, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The dude has zero home runs
and he's hitting like two twenty. Like that is unacceptable. Man, this
is your one one like power hitter. He broke Barry Bond's fucking records in
college. Like, this is a guy who should not be having zero home
runs almost two months through the season, right And when you look at the
Tigers makeup, he is literally like the only quote quote bomber on your team.
There's no long ball hitters on this team. This team is very small
ball. They play the moneyball type type style of offense where you got to
keep the line moving. But he is somebody that we expected. Okay,
he had thirty homers last year. He should at least be able to be
close to that this year. And the way he's trending right now is not
looking good. And it's been a month. Man, Like, we tried
to give him some time. We understand when the weather gets warmer, normally
the hitters get better. But if you can't turn your fastball man and the
MLB, you are going to have trouble. And that just seems to be
a problem, not just for him, but for the Tigers offense as a
whole. Like you said, six through nine are like virtually unplayable, man,
and that's it's a sin. Nick. How are you feeling about Torque
kg? I think Riley Green would like a word when it comes to the
being a bomber on this team, well, yeah, he's bawling out right
now. But it's so surprising about Torkleson. Honestly, like we all thought
going into his third year now that he was gonna take that next step to
becoming an All star that you expect out of a one to one draft pick,
and especially a college bat like that should translate. But the fact that
he can't hit a fastball like that is the most surprising thing in the world
to me, because all this guy did was rake in college. Yeah,
and we saw it at the end of last year. I mean, he
was hitting it felt like a home run every single game out And it's extremely
surprising. It's extremely worrio. This team wanted to give their young bats opportunities.
It has come back and just completely bitting us in the ass here.
Yeah, and I don't see how it's gonna change. Well, honestly,
you had to see what you have. Like, I understand that he has
a slow start, but I do think it's too early to start calling this
guy, But I don't. I think you have to give it to at
least the end of the year to really gauge like if he's a bust or
not. But this is something that you know, what was to be expected.
The young lineup was gonna go through growing pains. You're facing MLB pitching
consistently, like it's gonna be hard, but we didn't think it would be
this bad. Now, to their credit, they've managed to find ways to
win games. But when your runs are always coming in the eighth or ninth
inning, obviously that's not sustainable. So I just don't know what the answer
is right now, but you got to change something up, And I know
aj Hinch said that they have absolutely no plans as of right now to send
Tork down. I disagree with that. I think you should change. Yeah,
seriously, like two to three weeks down in the miners right now.
I don't think that's a bad idea. Try to get some of his confidence
back. But what do you feel about aj Hint saying that they have no
plans. I don't like that. I don't think there should be you should
have no plans for anything because we see him continuously going down in the lineup
now. I don't know what he's betting today, but I assume it's either
six or seventh, And yeah, you can't go much further than that if
you're gonna keep moving him down. By the end of it, you gotta
move him out, and you got to move him to Triple A. Like,
I don't want to crush his confidence or anything, but sitting at zero
home runs on the season, I think he's doing worse for his confidence than
a ten day trip to the Triple away. And I think sitting on the
bench is killing this confidence too, because I understand if you want him to
sit on the bench and maybe just get a different view, but to me,
you're wasting him. He's too important to this team to just sit him
on the bench for like a week man, and you can he can That
time could be spent down in the miners trying to improve. But I feel
you Jesus, he's hitting fifth today by the way. Overwhelmed. Yeah,
yeah, that was what I was about to add in with the And then
also it's one one now the Guardians tied it on the bottom. Who's who's
on the Mountie Flarity Lardy? All right, but how do you feel about
Torque? I am definitely on the send him down train. I definitely think
AJ needs to adjust his mentality on this he is just struggling. He's in
his head. He needs to go down. He needs to gain that confidence.
He needs to not be hitting off a level fast balls from a level
pictures. He needs to go down. He needs to get some confidence,
hit some bombs. It's much easier down there. We've seen it with everyone.
I also think that, uh, that young is hitting the ball pretty
well down there. I mean that could be an option. There are some
options down there that are hitting relatively well with above average m O b O
p I as it is in the minors. But you saw, but but
do do it. But you came up and was hot for a little while
and sustained the offense last year for a little while and then got cold and
then got sent down again. Yeah, but there are those spurts, and
that spurts can be very beneficial, especially when you could send someone down who
can get back with a spurt of themselves. With torkosin coming back and potentially
being back to form of last year, and at least with Parker Meadows,
yes he's struggling at the plate, but at least you can say, okay,
he does do things defensively. He runs the bases if he can get
on base, but he runs the bases good. But at least you have
that with Torque, is like he's playing first base. Besides the hitting,
What are we really getting from him at this point is he's kind of just
another body out there. I think that instead of like, I don't know
a way to ease Torqu into it or to not just completely embarrass him.
If that's what you're worried about, send all three of them down. Serious,
Send Torqu, Meadows and Keith all down at the same time. Serious,
au three go get your shit straight, Like, go get your shit
together, and then they can do what is a unit that can do it
as guys who won't be singled out like oh look, just Spencer Targolson gets
sent down. No, you send all three of those guys down. You
bring up Maloy, you bring up Badou, and you bring up young and
you'll let the young kids have a couple of hacks at it and then bring
those guys back up when they're more confident. Yeah, and I think at
this point, so what do you think if we see another, let's say
week or two of this from Torque, what is the timeline? Like,
I know you don't plan to send me down now. But if things don't
change, this can't go on for another week. I don't feel like,
yeah this is I think this is the perfect time to do it, honestly,
because you're still over five hundred. You have a little bit of a
of a leeway, and it's not like you're gonna get worse if you send
Spencer Targosen down right now. So I think right now would be the perfect
time to do it, before you really start to get into all right,
we're really trying to get this, get this ALE champion or this ALE Central
Championship right here. Yeah, So I think you do it now. And
we got a lot of young guys that's down there hitting well, Jay Jong
as you brought up justin Henry malloy. He he had a good bad in
the spring. He's also doing okay in the miners and even a kill bad,
which I know a lot of people he's he's kind of controversial, not
the best hitter in the world, but even him at this point might be
a little better than what you're doing right now. But something has to change.
But due on his worst day is gonna hit two twenty. Yeah,
and that's better than zero point zero nine which is what we're getting from Parker
Meadows right now. Like he can't even hit one hundred, but dude on
his worst day would hit two twenty. That's true. So I'm saying do
it right. Cokekeith as well. He's another one that's that's been struggling a
lot and not understand they paid him. But you gotta put him down.
You got him put down. You got to bring up bring up Dingler like
bring or bring bring up somebody. They're gonna do something. Yeah, you
saw it where you saw You saw it with Jackson Holliday, the best prospect
ever like or one of the best prospects to ever come up. He struggled
in the major leagues and they signed him back down. Yeah, they shouldn't.
It's not rocket science here. And one of the guys you guys have
mentioned him justin Henry Maloy for twenty four on base percent and that's elite.
He's got thirteen extra base hits. This is a bat that would help this
lineup to night in Cleveland. Yeah, I have no idea why this guy's
not up right now. I cannot keep seeing the same line up being put
out there every single night. And when Cel Perez played center pretty well.
Yeah, you like I think is there if your argument is we don't want
to put Riley in center, well, Vierling can play center when cel Perez
can play center. Aqueb but doing if you bring him up, worst case
scenario, can play center. I don't want to see him in center,
right, But like, you got multiple guys that can play center field.
So that's not something I'm worried about because Wenzel Prez looked pretty pretty good out
there when he was in center field. And yeah, you gotta bring up
Maloy, you gotta you gotta send Metos down, you gotta send Torque down,
Like, let these guys get their mind right before we actually need them
in games that will literally make or break our season. It's true, but
I mean, at this point, we just gotta trust aj hinch Man.
He's he's made all a right moves to this point, so he's earned a
little bit of cachet in that department. Aj hinch he knows he normally has
a good sense of win to pool someone uh you know, whin to pinch
hit when to do things of that nature. He says he has no plans
right now, but that could easily change, especially if you're he's sitting on
the bench next to you for a couple of games, you send him back
in and he still isn't working out. But at this point, we got
to just trust aj Hinch and trust the depth on this team, because we
have a lot of depth on this team. Yeah, the real quick the
thing about Hench is we haven't really seen him publicly go at somebody. Yeah,
not even either. He just kind of did with you for the first
time ever in his career. Yeah, he didn't even do that with my
Goo. He tried to like keep it quiet, you know, But honestly,
I love to see it out of Hench because what other card can you
play right now? I hope obviously. Torklesen responds, I mean their home
run power is not there by any means, but I think he leads a
league in doubles with eleven. Yeah, I mean one thing kind of positive,
but I mean, but it's literally double or nothing. Saying double or
nothing is literally that with him. I'm saying it right now. I don't
want to be like this cut and dry about it, but if he doesn't
hit a homer in Cleveland, I think we should send him down. Like
I think that's what it should be. Honestly, I know it's not everything.
And obviously, if he goes, you know, seven for seven in
the series but doesn't hit a Homer, you're not gonna send him down.
But you need to see the pop. I'm there with you one hundred percent.
I think that he needs to get sent down. I'm just waiting.
I love Hinch, I love Scott Harris, but I'm just waiting for this
organization to be a great organization again like it so has in the past.
This organization is a historic organization. You were talking about it earlier with the
City connect Jerseys. We were, we were in the shit in two thousand
and three, we were awful, and then we climbed back to being a
great organization in the mid twenty tens there. Yeah, and now we have
gone back to that mediocrity. And it struggles to see teams like the Orioles
send Jackson Holiday down when he should be sent down, and they're protecting their
young prospects, and they're doing what great organizations do and protecting their young prospects
and getting them ready to actually play in the major leagues and not necessarily rushing
them like, oh, we need this bat like we need Torkos and we
need him to hit home runs. Yeah, and it puts so much pressure
on him. And I think that that's the same thing with Trey Turner last
year when he was really struggling. So also maybe we need to rally around
tork as well when he comes back back if we do send him down where
we show him that love and we show him that appreciation, that we have
faith in him and we know that he can contribute to this team and be
a big factor. It's just a matter of can you get out of your
head, can you go back and reset yourself and then come back and contribute
to this team like we need him to and we do got to go to
break. But I'm just gonna read this one comment from Andrew Jones. He
says there is no excuse to have Meadows in the lineup right now, and
I agree, like Austin Medos, he should not be. That is an
immediate out. He should not be in this lineup, especially when you can't
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We got Nick in the sound booth, Korean Jesus in the Masters chair,
and Chris on the TD sticks. I'm Spencer Axter. We are the heavyweights.
We've got done talking to a little tigers and honestly, that's all I
want to talk about the Tigers because it's he kills me to talk about him.
Let's take care of business in the division. Oh yeah, that's the
important thing. Yeah, getting a win tonight would be huge, but something
positive. Cherry scooball leads the league in strikeouts, whip and wins. Right
now now, Tarik Scooble is going to be the All Star starter for the
American League. He's the betting favorite right now for the Alcy Young. Riley
Green's proba going to be the starting of starting outfielder for the American League All
Star team. It's awesome to see a couple guys that are putting it together.
But yeah, when a third of your lineup can't hit half of their
weight, you're not gonna win a lot of games. Do you think Jason
Foley still gets a beat it? I think he does. I don't know
why we're not fucking using him as as a closer anymore. Yeah, that
was it's kind of missing me off. But does anyone know anything about that?
I saw that and I was so confused. Yeah, it doesn't make
sense to me. I think when you have a closer, you have a
closer. I understand Hinch is a matchup guy. That's what he does,
whether it's the pitching or hitting, he plays his matchups. But I think
fully is so electric as your closer, you just put him out in the
ninth fucked matchups. Yeah, here's here's a ninety nine miles per hour sinker
that moves twelve inches. Try to fucking hit it. You think that that
him not getting the ninth and getting the ball as a consistent on a consistent
basis might be affecting his confidence. I think so, Yeah, I do.
With bullpen pitchers are very fickle with how they look at things. They're
their confidence, their routine and doing different things like that. And I definitely
think that if you would just be giving him the ninth every saved situation,
I think you would be doing spades for him and for the team. Honestly.
Yeah. But I do have a fun topic that we could talk about.
I put it out on Twitter the other day when I was just thinking
about it. I was just chilling there. I forget what I was watching,
but it made me think about guys that are going to take a jump
for the Lions next year, and so I want everybody to say one guy
they think is going to take the biggest jump for the Lions next year.
I'll start and I think it's gonna be Kirby Joseph because we saw, we
saw what Kirby Joseph can do. Our guy, al shoutout football Guy L
tagged me in that in the last thirty years, Kirby Joseph is top ten
in safeties when it comes to combined past deflections and interceptions of his first two
years. This guy is an elite playmaker in the back end, and I
think people forgot about that. I see a lot of Kirby Joseph slander in
the chat, and I'm not here for it. This guy is an elite
playmaker in the back end. He's the only true free safety we have on
this roster, and last year I think he kind of got tossed to the
Wolves trying to make up for other guys. When you have Cam Sutton and
Kendall Vildore and Jerry Jacobs and other guys like that getting burnt and missing their
assignments, it's on Kirby Joseph to kind of make up for that, make
touchdown saving tackles. Rather than being the elite playmaker that he is. Now
you add guys like Carlton Davis, like Amik Robertson, like Terry On Arnold,
and it's Rakeshaw junior guys that are sticky in man coverage, guys that
will stay with their wide receiver on the routes, so he can just be
the free safety. See the ball, get the ball, attack the ball,
and come up with interceptions. I think Kirby Joseph is I think he's
going to lead the league in interceptions next year. I really do. I
think we saw he has the capability and the potential to do it his first
year. Last year, the secondary was a mess and our cornerbacks were getting
burnt and he was held out to dry. I think Kirby Joseph the league
interceptions next year, and I think he shows why he is an elite playmaker
in that back end. Kirby is a good win man. But the question
is do you think he takes that jump even if he doesn't start, because
that room is loaded. You got Brian Branch If he mela fine, will
does Kirby even start? I think Kirby Joseph is one of, if not
the most locked into their starting spot in the secondary because he is the only
true center fielder we have out there. Like he's a ball. If he
Brian Branch, they're more strong safety in the box playmaker. Kirby is a
center fielder, free safety, and they love him on that like Aaron Glenn,
Dan Campbell, they all love him. I think Kirby Joseph is locked
into his position. Yeah, and we've seen him do it. We have
seen him do it. For me, this one, I got one a
little bit better than you span and is Jack Campbell. Jack Campbell, And
for everybody all to Jack Campbell haters out there, y'all got to stop it.
Man. If we didn't have rookies like Jamier Gibbs and Sam Laporter,
you would be looking at Jack Campbell's rookie season a little bit differently. I
understand he got off to a little bit of a slow start. He has
to get a little bit better in coverage. But as far as like the
running game and hitting the gap sideline, the sideline, he is an absolute
animal man. He finished the year with almost one hundred tackles. But when
you add into account that they've added DJ Reader, Yes he is DJ Reader,
Aleen McNeil. They are gonna gonna create so much pressure in that middle,
and it's gonna be like a field day for Jack Campbell to get in
the backfield. You're gonna see a lot more TFLs from him this year.
He will get to the quarterback more and I expect a lot more tackles and
he you're looking at your mic of the future. I know that they had
u Azeloni and he did play out of his mind last year. He had
a he had a breakout year. But eventually you're gonna have to turn the
reins over to Jack Campbell, and I feel like he will take that step
up now that you have legitimate pressure in the middle, and which will also
help improve aiden getting home and things of that nature. So look for a
jump for Jack Campbell. Man love it. I think Jack Campbell's gonna have
a hell of a year and he was definitely my number two behind Kirby.
You look at what Kelvin Sheppard does with these linebackers too. Every single linebacker
has had an immense improvement because of Calvin Sheppard. So the guy who is
the most talented and highest rated prospect in the group, I think will have
it. And like you said, DJ, Reader, clogging those lanes,
filling those holes, taking on blocks allows Jack Campbell to just see ball,
hit ball, meet the meet the running back, and that's what he does
best. That's a good one, Nick. Who do you thinks have the
biggest jump next year? Way Mo Jam For all the reasons we hit on
earlier, I think he's gonna get a lot more involved in this offense.
I think a reason why we lot Josh Reynolds walk, honestly in free agency,
is because Jamo's ascend. He's gonna do great. Honestly, I think
he's gonna put up twelve hundred yards ten touchdowns. That's combined rushing and receiving.
And like I said, I want to see him get way more active
when it comes to rush the football as well on the outsides, because every
time he does that he scores a touchdown, it seems. And I think
he's going to be a key reason why this Detroit Lions offense remains elite,
and I think Jmo is sat up for a massive season. Big facts.
Jusus see, you know I'll take last puppy to the bull. You guys
took all three of mine, But I was prepared for it. I was
prepared for it. It won't be most improved because it's someone who is coming
to the team, but I think someone who will step up their game because
of how good our defense is and how many this por pieces arend him,
and it's Carlton Davis. I think that he will be get replaced in the
Pro Bowl because we'll be in the Super Bowl. But I could definitely see
a Pro Bowl caliber season from Carlton. He showed out in their Super Bowl
year when they won it in twenty nineteen. I believe yeah, he was
an integral part and locking down that defense. Him and Antonio Winfield made that
secondary completely unpassable. And I think that he could have a rejuvenation in Detroit
with how much how loaded our secondary is, especially with the addition of DJ
Reader. I think Alee McNeil will also his production will go up because of
how many opportunities he will have where he's not the focal point, he's the
third passers options. Same with James Houston. They're going those two guys are
going to benefit so much from the DJ Reader signing. And that's a good
point, man, because Carlton Davis is somebody a lot of people just look
at the last year he had and I understand it wasn't good. He has
battled some injury issues, but before that, this guy, he's done it
on the biggest stage. He's been to a super Bowl and at one point
you can say he was a top ten corner in this league. And he
fits this aging man scheme so well. I just feel like he will take
a very big step up this year. I like that Carlton Davis pick right
there, Chris. How did y'all leave the biggest cheat coade on the board
a lad from Madrid? You know what I mean? Come on, man,
With the additions of DJ Crell Williams, the addition to the defensive line
coach as well as as well as like you guys talked about Carlton Davis and
make a much improved secondary. That's going to make you hold onto that ball
just a little longer. If you think about last year, it was really
only Aleen that was providing any type of quarterback pressure other than Hutch and then
the occasional Angeloni blitz or if he blitz or Brian Branch Branch blitz. But
as far as the defensive line goes, Alien was the only guy in the
addition of in the addition of Reader and another season because last season he made
that adjustment to his body to get to be able to be more of a
pass rushing a pass rushing big. So I think I think he's the one
who just you know, is the home run and I'm surprised Spencer you left
him on the board for me. I think we do got to go to
break real fest. But I think a guy that is it's kind of a
cop out, and he's not a player, but Aaron Glenn, Like,
I think Aaron Glenn with the pieces that he has now he's got his guys
in place, He's got potential for a top ten player at every level of
the defense. So I think Aaron Glenn, I think that defense as a
hole, we're gonna be a vast improvement from a right nick, especially with
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just just don't battle. Don't get on a dish track saying that, and
then he you can tell he's lying, and you can tell he literally had
a bar in there where he said, whoever Kendrick is getting his information from,
they are clowns. And then two bars later you're saying, you feed
him the information, so what like that, Just like he had some slick
bars, like the like the way he flipped a minor bar like he had
some bars and okay, like technically it was nice, but because of how
things wet, you just are handling it the wrong way. My question is
if I Kendrick the most, the most pissed off thing I am about this
is now, can I do the Heart Part six? Yes? Yeah,
oh for sure? He does the Heart Part sixtion and it's Drake's Yeah,
I mean that that don't even count. Man, if Drake was gonna call
it the Heart Part six, I expected so much more, so much better,
so much more. I agree, I agree. I think I think
Kendrick should just drop a disc right now. That's called He's going to like
the exactly one. I think he's gonna drop the other one. The rumor
is somebody else is going to be on it, though it won't just be
Kendrick. I hope it's pushing what about him and Ross though Ross fire Man,
I don't want no features on it. I want Kendrick. Drake's already
hiding behind this twenty v one narrative, which I think was just because Drake
d that was another problem addressed the person in front of you. Yes,
I understand that he didn't have he ain't have enough M. That's why he
kept bro get into a battle. You ain't taking shots at a producer who
don't rap. Yeah, for both of your disc tracks, Like come on,
Bro, that tells me you don't got M. You don't got M
on Kendrick the first song this and everybody was cool, but after that,
Kendrick is the only one dropping like songs about you. You need to focus
solely on him, and he didn't do that. Man, Like Drake let
me down. Man. I'm a big Drake fan, but I'm also a
Kendrick fan as well, and Drake was out of his depth. I do
respect Drake because he always like steps out there regardless of what happens. But
he's one and two in battles now. Man. He lost the push.
He lost to Kendrick Man. And yes, we're still gonna bang the bops.
It's still Drake at the end of the day. It's not gonna hurt
him in the in the grants game. But the real hip hop is we
already he already had that kind of stigma about him, but now it's like
official. Like now it's like if you look at him, like he never
beat like a true MC so like the elite to the elites, like they
look at him with a different because the two mcs he tried, he got
cooked, and he got cooked back at and then you let Kendrick beat you
at your own game. He backed to back you, which was your strategy,
and he hit you with a club by. When I heard the mustard
drop, I didn't need to hear nothing else. I already knew it was
on. But that is one of the best dish tracks of this generation.
Like that's up there with I Fucked your bitch, You fat mf know that
that's up there with that. Yeah, all right, but that'll do it
for us. Can I say one thing before you wrap up? Let's hear
I have to deal with some controversy because justin Fan and the away fan are
in the chat and earlier they are giving me ship. This is not a
Jamie Ben jersey. This is a Tyler Sagan jersey. Jamie Ben is a
is a cheap fuck. I agree, but I do think Dallas is gonna
win the Cup and the Panthers are winning tonight. The away fan, I'll
answer your mailbag question for you. I think the Panthers are winning tonight too,
but that'll do it for us today. Appreciate you all tapping in to
the Worldward Heavyweights again. Shout out to KG for his studio Dusk shot Man.
Absolutely killed it. Nick, you're all right, Chris, good job,
Chree Jesus, I'm Spencer Astor. We're the Heavyweights. I'm back tomorrow. Peace.