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I'm okay, I just smild a
another to the face. Yeah, she

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want to stay singing to your beach. I got was don't just try to

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tell me you love me. You
can't keep it. Really, if you

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really don't trust me, you come
with a really you have up in the

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front of you get my meals.
I'm conning for the money, money in

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the back. Come on with a
dank scriling that tank rolling with the gang,

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you sitting on the sideline trip and
I go to the whole with a

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rock like Pippota. I'm okay,
Hey, hey, hey, hey,

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run for your live what up?
Don't welcome to what wa? It's live

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on sports dot Com. I mean
joined by my guys wrecks Young Chris Nicholas

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co Off will be joined shortly by
KG. KG will be making his uh

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his death debut. In the meantime, we got Choream Jesus in the mass

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chair for this boy sitting on God. Yeah, I mean we'll just start.

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Yeah, so that happened Friday back
to back. Yes, so so

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Drake finally, and I think we're
the first show to start talking about Yes,

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but I have peeved other shows.
I guess specifically, I know you

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guys probably touched on NBD. We
did, but it spread its way to

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Armani and Edwards. I know it
hasn't been talking about in the Morning show.

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Has to have been. Oh,
I'm sure it was. I'm sure

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it is. Yeah, Yeah,
they have to talk about it's about the

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culture, about the culture. Either
way, we were talking about the Kendrick

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and Drake beef going on. Drake
had finally rebuttled to Kendrick Lamar's euphoria Friday

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night for a brief all forty minutes
until kenak Lamar, to be honest with

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you, hit him Up's got the
passionate so that that's probably like the hardest

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of my lifetime, but like the
most like direct most like just just viciousness.

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Probably Meet the Graham, Met the
Graham. He's like an obituary,

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dude. It was it was tough. It was tough, tough he was

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it was scared like it was.
It was dark energy, very dark.

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It was awesome. I fucking loved
it. And then he dropped THEO of

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all Bopps not like us on Saturday
A love That's the thing too, because

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that was so brilliant too, by
the way, by Kendrick, because like

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Drake completely got suffocated out of even
like being relevant that night, like it

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was all yeah, because because not
only did like Kendrick just drop which is

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also insane, they've dropped a rebuttle
disc, which is a diss in general,

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Like forty minutes after the op went, that's already crazy, but then

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to say the ship they did,
like the very first line is dere Donna's

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yeah, bro, if I had
money like that, and the eagle that

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I assume comes with that amount of
money, like somebody's dying, especially when

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the next line is I'm sorry that
man is your father? Yeah, like

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wild wild, wild wild wild ship
and then Saturday once once you're already thinking

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like Drake's you know, been dug
up in a grave, Kendrick fucking moves

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the people burying and flips open cast
and drops like that, and craziest thing

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about like that is not like not
like us, not like us. Apologize

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the people that were pro Drake that
were like, yeah, but it's not

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good music. Yeah, it was
not good music. Okay, Well then

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he finally fucking does what Kitch can
do when he decides to both where it's

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a fucking bop in that ship hit
with the hardest line in the entire rivalry

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with the fucking uh he try it
like a chord. It's probably a minor

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god Bro sixty nine God. And
then Drake did put out another tracks.

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You know, he put out the
hard part six, which was bars bars.

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He took that a minor line and
flipped it. Put flip down the

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minor line. That was good and
he but you know, the track was

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we don't diddle kids. It's not
good diddling kids. We don't like the

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diddal say. You can never you
can never say that is on it come

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out right. Although I think he
did it. I think it was like

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a he did it fine, Yeah, I mean like you got to call

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it out. I mean, your
kids just not say nothing, especially if

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it's not true. But yeah,
it was just too late. It was

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six minutes of him going nah ah
ah. And then he waved the white

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flag and said he's done with the
beef and he's bowling out. So and

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along with that, two Top Dog
put out a tweet that was like it

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was a good battle. Yeah,
so I think it is over from both

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sides live. But uh yeah,
Kendrick Body Drake again, even if you

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didn't think he had the best songs. He dropped the best song, yeah,

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between the two of them. Yes, by the way, I started

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with like that, but I don't
count that because not the same way you

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did. I saw you did your
rankings. Yeah, I don't count like

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that. No, I was counting
direct direct shots, direct this songs.

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And yeah, like I said that, Kendrick now has the three highest debut

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streams of twenty twenty four or most
most stream debut songs of twenty twenty four

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with Euphoria Meet the Grahams and not
like Us. Yeah, one, two,

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and three. Yeah, So Drake
fans want to talk numbers, he

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literally dropped per numbers, the three
best songs of twenty twenty four by the

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number. But that that is Yeah, it's a it's a complete, complete

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wash complete wah, it's not even
close. I got Drake fans or friends

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that are Drake fans. By the
way, I am a Drake and Kendrick

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Lamar fan right, Like, I
don't have a I'm not on any side

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of the alley either way until I'm
like swayed by what's put out there by

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the battle itself. Kendrick fucking buried
him. But my friends, I got

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Previd shout out, ice On shouting, I got Mike shouting fees Jeff Booner.

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That's the craziest part too. Some
of the most hood dudes I know

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outside Jeff Booner, some of those
hood dudes I know. We're fucking writing

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so hard for I'm like, how
are you? Like? What do you

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I don't know, man, But
for all my friends that are on the

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side of the Drakes, you're on
the wrong side of history. You are

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on the wrong side. It got
by. He got by even if what

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Kendrick said, because that's the thing
in Drake's the hard part six is like,

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yeah, we set them up to
say the daughter stuff. Obviously,

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he said I didn't do what he
was accused of doing. He didn't say

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he didn't do it. He said
he would have been caught or he hasn't

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been caught yet, so he hasn't. No, he didn't sick stop.

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See he's a Kendricks stand Kendricks dance. That's not what he said. He

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didn't I would have been caught by
No. Yeah. His exact words were,

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if I did it, I would
have been I would have been arrested.

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Yeah, I have been arrested I'm
too famous for that. He said,

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I never looked look twice at a
girl that age, Yeah, which

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is not true because he has multiple
bars about talking how you were hot in

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high school? Because and he has
multiple kissing teenagers. He like a strip

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club parking lot. Yeah, no, that's the wildest. And he said,

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girl, there's a bar about this
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she was bad, kiss Kylie Jenner
when she was even bad. Then kiss

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Kylie Jenner when she was sixteen at
her sixteenth birthday party. Looked like the

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still said a teenager he's kissing.
He was kissing and groping a seventeen year

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old on stage at the concert.
I'm trying to be ast least non biased

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possible. I have the most biased
guy. Is that not? Those are

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facts? How is that bossing a
girl the cheek is like not? It's

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not the same. Is that looking
twice at age? I would have put

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that in the pedophile category? No, I won't say that regardlessophile. I

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don't think we're allowed to say that
said twice certified deadler, you know,

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but literally the always sunny meme brains
true. Where Frank comes, we gotta

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make a song about not diddling kids. We don't diddle kids. It's not

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good diddling kids. It's so true. The best way it was due you

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know, you can't. I mean, there's no good way of doing that.

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And he brought up Millie Bobby Brown, which Kendrick didn't even say her

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name at all, but oh yeah, I never touched Millie Bobby Brown.

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And what he said you did,
Bud. You get a little defensive there,

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but I mean, that's what people
are assuming. Obviously, Why would

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they assume that because people already saying
that stuff, see bias. We can't.

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We gotta not be biased having the
conversation. Kid, you body them

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though regardless, Chris took it,
you know, three days and a half

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to put a podcast out about it, even though it happened to Friday,

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dropped to day. You want to
be gounna no, So so what happened

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is what happened is we had to
We had to reshoot because it immediately got

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it immediately got outdated. We record
our pod Friday. Then the sequence of

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events you guys outlined happened. Family
matters, meet the Grahams. We recorded

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a rereact, a re reaction.
My phone died during it, so we

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just upload the audio immediately that night
that was that was up. So we

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just had that straight up. And
then Sunday we got together to re record

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after not like us drop and then
boom after we went out to eat,

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were like we had the video set
to upload to YouTube and in between that

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the hard part six drop. It
was just a series of bad time,

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but it was. It was great, man, it was. It was

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the best weekend I've ever experienced in
hip hop history. It was. It

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was incredible to watch these two titans
go at it and to see what Kendrick

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did in this battle was it was. It was historical. It was he

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gave every angle. He dropped the
Euphoria record, which was like the which

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was like just a great day track. He drops the time Stamp record that

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just is like for the backpack rat
nerds. Then he drops the just for

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like the pure pure like distract.
To have think about how calculated Kendrick was.

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He had that ship in the tuck. A phone call took place this

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this this previous week between Drake and
Kendrick saying family's off limits and this beef.

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Drake then violated that with family met
Wait this is yes, that phone

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call you said Monday, Monday phone
call between who and who between Drake and

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Kendrick. Well, it was actually
text messages, not phone call, but

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communication was had directly between those two
about family is off limits in this beef.

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And then Drake drops family matters.
But Kendrick, being calculate, he

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said push up exactly. So Kendrick
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proposed it, but before it goes
any further, no family. But Kendrick

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had that in the tuck meet the
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Drake mentioned family. Drake then goes
and makes a whole song called family Matters

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addressing Kendrick's family, making serious allegations
on Kendrick's part. So Kenrichlly, all

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right, bet we're going there.
Family's back on the table, and then

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gave the ultimate family distract. You
know, calculate you gotta be to have

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a diss record that's in the tuck
that it doesn't matter when it drops,

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It doesn't matter if it's a response, if it's on its own, it

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didn't matter what it was. It
was. Just that's that's evil genius,

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calculated ship to have a distrack that
you might not even ever release. It's

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something you played. He played this
sensational and then after that he closes with

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the West Coast record for the West
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It was just brilliantly, massifully done. That shit is gonna go ten times

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platinum in my car in California.
So I guess like Kendrick knew what he

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was doing with like that too,
as Top Dog was saying, like,

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no, he baited him into this. Oh yeah, even wait, yeah,

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he made absolutely Drake and any regardless
Kendrick one, regardless of Kendrick is

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still agoat regardless, but he also
has an album coming up allegedly now too.

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I think that's when Drake was like
pissed off about that part of as

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well. If anything, I think
that's a cop out by Drake. And

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I also think if it's an album, it's historically Kendrick's multiple years between albums.

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It's like a pg Lang album that
he might be on like three or

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four records. You're also a stand
though, like no, but I'm I'm

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being real. Look at the history
of Kendrick. When has he dropped an

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album in back to back years or
or under two years apart? Was the

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last signs about to go through divorce. I mean, I think he kind

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of already did that. That's what
mister Morale like ends with them kind of

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being co parents. But at the
the six month separation, I think that's

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all news. If you listen to
mister Morale and the way it ends,

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it kind of sounds like they're co
parenting. They're not together. So like

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if you if you're really reading between
the lines. But Drake, Drake just

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had dis track. Was weird because
he just drops it and he's like,

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at one hand being defensive, but
then on the other hand, it was

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a master plan. You shouldn't be
defending yourself if it was all a master

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plan from the jump, Yeah,
and the master plan like well just a

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one I saw this thing. That's
like he if it was truly a master

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plan and he was fed this false
information, you think Drake would have had

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documentation of them feeding it to him, just like how they how they got

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the good Kimmit City van destroyed it, went to the restaurant he was talking

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about and ate there and had all
that on video. But your whole thing

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was built off of this master plan
feeding him this false information. You don't

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have any of that documented. And
on top of that, when it first

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came out, you didn't just immediately
say this is wrong. I got you.

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H you said if I have a
daughter, somebody showed me like you

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got shook when neither of them have
like the documentation other than like kild you

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having the glove And what was Drake
about the prescriptions in the in the in

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the thing again he was saying that
was all just a mastermind playing by Drake,

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But I don't think it was.
And Kendrick also said that like his

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audience isn't stud like what does he
say, like try to manipulate the story

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however you want. The audience isn't
dumb enough to believe that or like not

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slow. Yeah, that's the thing
if we're going to get continue on.

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Yes, because because top called he's
a good master manipulator and an habitual liar

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as well. And then when you
talk you lied about your son, you

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lied about your surgery. Yeah that
shi it was you bro the layers the

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layers of voices like coming that is
a scary song to listen to, something

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like your perjury, like oh you
lied about your surgery, you lied about

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your religion, all this perjury that
was further context to why I didn't drop

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Saturday and do like another pod Saturday
was because I was until not like I

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was dropped. I was genuinely uncomfortable
talking about it, because that's how sinister,

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bro, if I had money,
you know you like that someone's dying,

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that's not you can't talk about my
kid of every all things kid,

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Hell no, hell okay, the
same goals for Drake too. That's not

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your kid, Like, that's my
fucking kid. What do you I'm saying,

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like that's the other thing too,
is like I'm glad it got called

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because like without documentation of anything that
any of you guys are saying now,

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it's just like back and forth of
like and then I don't know what to

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believe, you know what I'm saying
Drakes. And Drake's defenses for the peto

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stuff was I haven't got caught yet
and and here we got molested as a

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child, Like, yeah, that
was a bad look. This ract went

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back was like you got to which
literally wasn't even true, which is just

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opposite. He said in the song
Wild. Last last question before break is

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does this put a nail in the
coffin? To Kendrick first, dre argument

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was a thing for me. It's
just two different two different lanes made amazing

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music like bops, so you dance
too is like that, and then Kendrick

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made like subs. I saw somebody
tweet like, if you say that you

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like Drake's music better than Kendrick's,
that's one thing. But saying that Drake

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is a better rapper than Kendrick Lamar
is just blatantly false. That's that's like

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if you if you're if you're worried
about you know, booty shaking, bottle

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popping in the club. And that's
every time I hear people like I never

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said I never heard a bad bitch
put on a Kendrick Lamar record. It's

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like, so that's how you gauge
good music is what bad bitch you're shaking

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in the club. But that's your
type of vibe if you want. That's

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I mean, I like that Drake
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loves shaking as I like shaking my
ass. I'm a Drake fan. I'll

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jam from Drake at the club.
But Kendrick, but uh, but Kendrick

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is a He's a better rapper,
Like it's not even close that's a to

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ours. This point at Drake is
like there was emptiness there where he I

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found him, Like he just was
repeating himself, like that part in the

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fucking family matters. This is like
this is this song. What are we?

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What are you doing? Yeah?
And just ls for Toronto all weekend,

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Maple Leaves lost, Kendrick, Kendrick, just the city of Toronto,

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all your crowdy's up there burning at
That's just how I love that ship.

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Bro. Fuck the Maple Leafs.
You guys suck nothing. America wins when

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Toronto loses in hockey, and it's
just it was an amazing thing to see.

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I called it. I called the
pasta game winner and he hit it.

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No, t love it that.
That was insane. That was this

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make some merch for the beat,
suld We not Drake bry suis no,

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but we got to do it with
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was removing all copyright claims for every
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districts. He removed all so content
creators were making money off of it.

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There's that, and then also and
Drake and Drake was getting a take BBL

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Drizzy by Drake on the newest Metro
booming beat. It's on Twitter. If

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you guys aren't on Twitter, indoor
X, what do you wanna call it?

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Uh? He's picking out a winner
and not only getting the beat to

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claim it as your own, you're
also getting ten thousand dollars cash and the

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second place getting beat. So maybe
might see just see some heavyweight track.

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I see a heavyweight Drake distrack.
I'm just saying, yeah, that was.

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This is gonna be a promise,
We're gonna talk sports. It's just

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what Metro did there was perfect because
like Metro is not going to drop a

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dis track, so he just has
the entire world dropping Drake dis tracks like

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I heard this this Japanese one.
You can't understand a word he says,

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except for Drake dbl abs and like
something else. It's like, yeah,

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it's the entire songs in Japanese and
it's a bop. And then you just

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hear him go Drake hunch abs.
I'm like, oh fuck, he's going

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it. There's one my seventeen year
old to hope you win. Yeah,

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he was going crazy. That would
be ironic. That would be ironic.

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That would be ironic. This is
I could honestly probably go half far,

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and we could. Yeah we can, But then that one dude's gonna get

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all but hurt. He's gone.
He probably never came back about it this

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week. If you guys are know, did you guys talk about rap music

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like Spencer did for the first ten
minutes last week, did you guys talk

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about that? Yeah? I messaged
it Bed. I was like, yeah,

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we talked about earlier. He was
well from the overt account and he

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added Wilbert like not knowing it was
me. He's like, well, just

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to let you know, you guys
lost the subscriber because of Spencer's tone and

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reaction. And I was like whe
cry somemory, little bitch like Jesus,

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get over yourself. Yeah, boy, for real, listen to Danil by

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the way. He was a legend
for what he did. You guys know,

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I put in the group text,
but I could tell today he was

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kind of like he's a little bit
of Drake. He's on the Drake side.

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I can tell a little bit.
Oh yeah, yeah for sure.

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But it's all right, all right, moving on? Yeah, sports out

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there? All right? You lost
the members, Yeah, let's go.

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I don't know. He's easy and
he's an angry old dude. That's what

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he was. If bad, he
could do a segment raaking top five numbers.

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I'm sorry, I could talk about
them, by the way, three

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segments that had nothing to do with
sports. The fire. Yeah, oh

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he said the Rose Rose. I
thought he was talking about Derek Derek ros

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That's what I thought too. He
was talking about oh yeah, because he's

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from Confidence. Yeah. I was
trying to think, like, did Derek

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Rose ever play for the Raptors?
But yeah, That's why I was confused,

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was like, did he's not like
a shoe deal with like Ovo or

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something like? Is he from Compton
secretly or like no, Yeah, Martin

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Rose, that makes more sense.
Yeah, I just assumed Drake got another

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fact wrong in the beef. Yeah, as I mean, I'm gonna set

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up the pot. God, I'm
sorry, sweet jam music, and I

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won't pack ox. Put the put
the uniforms up, yeah, put in.

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We gotta hate on something, yeah, track boo. Listen. We

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have the coldest, arguably two of
the coldest like logos and like sports history,

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between the Old English D and then
obviously the Old English D is everyone

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rocks, even if it's kind of
like the Yankee Head. You'll ste people

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from all over the world rocking the
Yankee head just because the Old English D

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has that same symptim, it has
that same value. There are three logos

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in baseball that are more iconic than
like baseball, and it's the Old English

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D, the Yankee hat, and
the Dodgers had. Those are the three

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most iconic like logos in baseball.
And I understand like you wanted to do

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something different for the City connects.
That's I'm not too mad that it's the

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hats our ship. The hats are
terrible, Yeah, but what pisses me

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off is there's so many cold Tiger
logos for them to choose from the like

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the old English d with the tiger
going through it, the cracked out tiger

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face, the tiger swinging the baseball
bat with the hat on. Like,

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there's so many Colt Tiger's logos they
could have used, and they just did

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Detroit in old ass, basic ass
font look like Neil said, it looks

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like something you buy from a gas
station in the hood. It does like

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those head had terrible and no orange
on the uniforms. Is that's garbage,

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especially because orange accents blew so well. Yes, so there's not necessarily a

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reason to even go away from it. Am I see those pistons jersey they

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did like a little while ago.
I didn't like those either. KG where

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you have to do Tag's uniform,
I mean they are right to me.

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I don't think they the worst,
but I did. I do wish they

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had to throw on some kind of
orange in there, maybe orange outline on

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the font. But besides that,
I mean, the hat is trash though.

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Absolutely. Let's like the Detroit sign. I said they should do the

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uh, I don't even think about
that. It like the Detroit I think

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I said they should have done like
the the tire track in orange and the

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rest of the jersey and the blue, and that would have been a cool

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way to do it. Chris,
Just why the fuck did you pick Hobby

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Byas to be your goddamn model for
this trash? But shot the guy g

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Metcash got to introduce these. Yeah, uh, if you saw a couple

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of Detroit rappers, it's got the
Woodward sign the one on it. It's

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actually a three one three, it's
just the two threes are in gray for

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whatever reason, or silver. Yeah, it's it's stupid if you get up

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close on this three one three though, Like this will probably grow on people.

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No, no, no, they're
like they're like the exact same thing

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as the Pistons Motor City jerseys with
the Blake Griffin air. They're like black

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and gray ones. Yeah, that
were just stupid. Like the ladies sent

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a spider Man me with them two
jerseys exactly. And I don't remember those

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jersey being received well either. No, they weren't because they don't look good.

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It's just embarrassing a little bit.
It is only because like other organizations

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have had the ear of like fans, and they've they've received it. They've

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gave us the trot waise back.
They give us the black jerseys and then

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you guys just come out of the
blue with blue. I mean, I

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don't like the any other City Connect
jerseys throughout the MLB are so fire,

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Like the Raised ones are so fire, the Chicago White Sox ones are fire,

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the the Padres ones are fire,
and these are just trash. Yeah,

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somebody said on bed they look like
Men's League softball jerseys. They do.

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Literally, your uniforms are way colder
than these. Honestly, I think

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they definitely need a lot more orange, like if you're gonna do like an

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alternate jersey like, I don't know. I just don't think they went bold

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enough at all with it. I
think they settled here. I guess I

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didn't know they were doing new jerseys. That was everybody was already where they

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were going to do new jersey.
Yeah, they said they were going to

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do the City Connect. There are
one like the teams that were doing City

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Connect this year gonna announced for the
season. I have a question two about

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the uniforms in general. I heard
Craig Monroe said he used to rip his

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pants all the time as well,
but he is tremendous hands by the way,

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here hands Greg's got a great fair. It was the second time the

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fanatics, when fanatics took over.
They're like, they say, like that

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the players wanted more breathable, thinner
uniforms, but like not this, like

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not, we're seeing dick prints on
the sidelines. Like that's how the uniforms

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are trash because fanatics ruins everything and
it sucks fanatics trouble more time. I'm

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just trying to self at it in
my head, just looking at this thing.

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Because you said you would make something
else orange I would have made.

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I would make so you see the
like blue tire track going, I would

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make that orange black and orange would
have been hard. That would have been

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nicer some Halloween. I feel like
that, that would have been cool.

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But I'm telling you, put orange
outline on that font right there, and

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then changed they had to an old
English D uniform looks totally different. That's

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That's what bother means the most.
Just get rid of the D. What

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do we do? Yeah, we
even put it as like a background behind

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put it on their city on there
somewhere. It's like a tiger claw going

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through the motor city outlined in orange
or something like that something. Man,

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you could have faintly put it in
the back, and I feel like this

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was like a clip art. Like
Illich was like, I'm not gonna pay

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anybody. He gave his daughter's make
us some jersey. There's so much and

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I'm not even a baseball guy,
but I got some takes in the illage

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stuff too. When it comes to
just this offense as well, let's go.

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I know people want to they're gonna
want to blame Scott, but I

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think it's an illage thing because he's
like, we're not spending bread until we

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get this Amazon money for everything,
including but he's right with this one.

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Definitely, definitely. But what did
he blame? Yeah, Chris. His

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line was, literally, I don't
know what's going on, but I'm gonna

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blame Chris Elic all right, because
I'm leaving here soon. KG is taking

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over on the desk, sir,
so we gotta get this one last football

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topic. And before then, Nicki
talks about the one Woodward show the WU

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What's up though, and welcome back
to what Westelvewordsports dot Com. I'm

428
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going to be easy you o.
My guys from more racks on Chris,

429
00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:03.000
Let's call off. Let's Kenny GKG. In the building of the mass Chair,

430
00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:10.079
someone asked, how long until Wake
Upward? Isn't considered new until we've

431
00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:11.839
been on three months? No,
yeah, I don't think it's new anymore.

432
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:14.440
As long as part of your rotation, it ain't no more. We

433
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:17.799
still gotta show him love to catch
him out every morning eight to ten.

434
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:22.640
But before I go and sell these
cars, you got you know, I

435
00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:23.960
gotta come piss off some Lions fans. Oh yeah, you know, you

436
00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:27.079
know how to do it. Last
week we teased on Friday talk about doing

437
00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:30.599
it all NFC North team because we
had a non lines fan in the building

438
00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:33.720
and he was kind of given some
non bias takes and we were like,

439
00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:36.519
yeah, I guess, like,
how would you rank a lot of these

440
00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:38.319
guys over the rest of the division, because that's also hot top of you

441
00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:41.079
now too, the divisions gotten a
lot better, Yes, a lot better,

442
00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:44.640
I believe, even the vikings with
you nip but not to nine.

443
00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:48.799
But you went back to eight under, he said, undefeated. We heard

444
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:53.160
it, so we decided to do
our all NFC North offensive teams. Tomorrow

445
00:30:53.200 --> 00:31:06.960
will be our defensive teams. Jack
labdor who starts first? Okay, I'm

446
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:15.440
going all right for the guy running
around pumaking like get a gun. No,

447
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:18.960
that's horrible. Why would you do
that? He deserves to get shot.

448
00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:23.519
That's it's so funny. That's a
dangerous game to play, all right,

449
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:29.799
Chris, throw it up. This
is my all NFC North offensive team.

450
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:33.640
Honestly, I didn't want to go
first, but I can't just get

451
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:40.200
away. Finger point me like that, what at quarterback? You put Christian

452
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:45.000
Man? I put Christian Derishaw.
But I got right tackle because technically right

453
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:48.400
now, right tackle, yeah,
is the best tackle. Football, just

454
00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:52.799
playing some I struggle with Christian Dashaw
too. I was I was wondering whether

455
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:55.200
she was putting money or not.
Would you end up putting him? Uh?

456
00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:57.799
No, I didn't. My whole
offensive line is the Lion's offensive line.

457
00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:00.599
Okay, yeah, talked about that. Yeah, Honestly, I'm not

458
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:04.440
mad that because I have their best
offensive line of football. We have,

459
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:07.640
Yes, we have five members of
the offensive line, three of mine detour

460
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:09.559
lines. Frank rag Now, a's
a gimme at the center position. Penny

461
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:13.119
will give me at whatever tackle position
you wanted to put him at. I

462
00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:15.400
wouldn't care if you want to take
Christian Derishaw and bump him the right tackle

463
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:17.720
just for the fun of it,
because is him. I would have been

464
00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:21.759
met that either. But I also
have, obviously Kevin Zeitler, and I'm

465
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:27.799
not gonna be surprised if Christian another
Christian Mahogany becomes available on that list too.

466
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:30.279
I get. I can see it
happen, you guys, I see

467
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:32.759
it happen, tight end. I
know it was gonna be. I guess

468
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:36.960
conversational. I put these both on
my Instagram in my ex I did ask

469
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:38.559
some people say, look Porta,
but For me, it's just I'm sorry

470
00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:43.079
they said Hockinson, but for me
it's the Potts pots one. But I'm

471
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:45.240
great, dude. Uh. The
real reason though he got that yet,

472
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:49.000
Like when he gets that ball,
he's almost like a baby gronk in a

473
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:51.599
way where he's just still scooting along. He's kind of you need two people

474
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:53.480
to tackle him at all times.
He's just reliable. To be that reliable

475
00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:57.599
in your rookie season is high value. I think he could have easily been

476
00:32:57.880 --> 00:33:00.839
second team All Pro, close to
breaking rooks. Your records have never been

477
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:05.640
touched wide receiver one and two without
a However, whichever worlder you have,

478
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:07.039
I'm not I don't care about that, but justin Jefferson, and I'm not

479
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:09.480
saying brow, I'm gonna be on
this list. I think the third receivers

480
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:12.799
where you start to have debate.
For me, it was DJ Moore.

481
00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:15.440
I just I could see the argument
if any of you guys had Keenan Allen,

482
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:19.720
I totally understand it, but I
just think DJ Moore offers everything at

483
00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:21.880
every level, so I just had
to go with him. I think he

484
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:23.920
can put him in the backfield at
times too. And then the running back

485
00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:28.079
I thought was. Another one was
like, you give me it's Jamior Gibbs.

486
00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:30.960
But no, actually you had so
many different A couple people on on

487
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:34.839
X had a different I forgot people
Josh Jacobs. You had him in your

488
00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:37.920
top five at one point last year, So yeah, some people had Josh

489
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:42.039
Jacobs for me. Personally, I
have Jamior Gibbs. Similar situation with DJ

490
00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:45.359
Moore do a little bit of everything, and I know, I know the

491
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:49.000
one that people are looking at him. You know, you got to explain

492
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:50.880
that my dog. I know he's
gonna come at me. This is a

493
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:53.440
non biased list. I am rooted. I'm a Jared goffit, but I

494
00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:58.480
commit people are better, right Like, I get that Jordan Love is better

495
00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:01.200
than Jared Goff right now, you
crazy? Yes, I think if you

496
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:05.480
give Jordan Love the same situation that
you're giving Jared Goff, Jordan Love will

497
00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:09.719
produced just as much on top of
the city place. Between the two of

498
00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:14.119
them, Jordan Love had more touchdowns, less interceptions. You want to throw

499
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:15.920
the fumbles in there, two okay. Jordan Love had less turnovers as a

500
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:20.440
whole than Jared Goff, also more
touchdowns in Jared Goff also had the running

501
00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:23.119
game to help him out there that
Jared Goff had also had the same offensive

502
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:27.760
line that Jared Goff had. He
did literally produced more with less turnovers and

503
00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:30.119
got bounced in the second round with
lesson Jared Goff. He did against the

504
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:32.159
forty nine ers, the same team
that bounces us out. And when we

505
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:35.480
do you know what I'm saying,
what we're doing. There more touchdowns in

506
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:37.039
the playoffs than Jared Goff. You
know, only think Jared Goff had more

507
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:40.519
of them this year was yards That's
okay, Yeah, yeah, I hate

508
00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:44.280
quarterback yard stats anyway. Sometimes you
get a lot of yak involved with that

509
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:45.039
too. We had the yak king
on this team. Well, I just

510
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:50.760
tell you liked about Sam Report the
yak like Jared Goff's great. Jared Golf

511
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:52.119
is good. He's our guy.
I'm riding with them. We're gonna win

512
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:55.239
a super Bowl him this year.
But we are for a step out and

513
00:34:55.239 --> 00:35:00.760
be non biased. I would take
Jordan love skill set. Why he's better.

514
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:02.639
So we are going to win a
super Bowl this year. I'll say

515
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:09.199
it right, she got that out
off my back. It's fair, it's

516
00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:14.880
fair. I have a very very
different opinion than you. In multiple position

517
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:20.840
multiple. I want to see this
throw my list, Chris, so,

518
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:24.199
my list of the all NFC North
is literally the same exact thing as easy

519
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:30.239
to except for I have Jared Goffer
quarterbacks literally play for player. It's the

520
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:34.199
exact same thing. And like you
said, Christian Dreyshaw, I'm giving him

521
00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:37.199
the look over Taylor Decker just because
of what he can do, how good

522
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:40.719
he is, for how young of
an age he is, elegabond Jenkins Head

523
00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:45.599
I think only four penalties and no
sacks allowed last year from that left guard

524
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:51.079
position. He is the best left
guard I believe in the NFC North,

525
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:54.440
maybe in the NFC the dudes of
monster out there. Kevin Zeitler, we're

526
00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:59.039
putting in there because of what he
can do. I am giving Sam Laporta

527
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:02.719
the nod over TJ. Hockinson because
I think he is more of a game

528
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:07.039
breaker. I think he is like
you said, he's got the yak yards

529
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:08.559
when he's got the ball in his
hands. I see him as more of

530
00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:14.039
an elusive threat than a TJ.
Hockinson. DJ Moore, I'm putting over

531
00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:20.440
Keenan Allen or any of the Packers
receivers just because how explosive he is Keenan

532
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:22.960
Allen was cose it was close with
me for DJ Moore and Keenan Allen.

533
00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:30.239
But Keenan Allen's falling out of his
prime while DJ Moore is in the middle

534
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:32.920
of his prime. I think DJ
Moore is becoming the better all around receiver

535
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:37.079
while Keenan Allen is going to be
tapering off here in the last couple of

536
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:39.559
years of his career. Jamior Gibbs
again, like you said, he's doing

537
00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:44.039
all do everything back. I think
he's a top three back in the NFL.

538
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:49.119
I think every single he is the
most explosive running back in the NFL.

539
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:52.920
By the numbers, had more twenty
yard plus touches than any other running

540
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:54.960
back in the NFL. He is
a freak of nature. When you get

541
00:36:55.000 --> 00:37:00.760
him in space. He was sharing
a backfield with another thousand yard rusher,

542
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:05.679
which is why that he wasn't putting
up sixteen hundred rushing yards like other guys

543
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:08.480
out there. So if you give
Jamior Gibbs a workload like other guys are

544
00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:13.519
seeing, he's gonna be putting up
nasty, nasty numbers. So I think

545
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:15.199
he's the best back. And then
I'm going with Jared Goff. We had

546
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:21.440
this discussion before, but I need
to see it again out of out of

547
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:24.360
Jordan Love before I'm gonna say he's
better than golf. We've seen Golf do

548
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:29.360
this multiple times, multiple years,
in multiple different situations, and I know

549
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:34.840
the situations have always been good,
with guys like Sean McVay and Ben Johnson

550
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:37.320
calling his plays and good pieces around
him. But it's not like Jordan Love's

551
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:40.440
out there playing with a bunch of
bumps. Jordan Love's playing with a great

552
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:45.239
play caller and play designer in Matt
Lafleur. He's got four fantastic receivers.

553
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:49.159
Oh, I keep call him fantastic
receivers because the same way you're saying you

554
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:51.719
gotta wait to see what Jordan Love
is. Half those guys are rookies intoor

555
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:54.079
second year. Yeah, but what
do you always say about wide receiver in

556
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:57.639
the NFL. That is a spot
where you hit the ground running. That

557
00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:00.920
is a spot that translates very easily
when you're a high talent wide receiver in

558
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:05.119
college to being a high talent wide
receiver in the NFL. I like those

559
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:08.000
guys a lot. I think the
top the four packers wide receivers are better

560
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:12.599
than the four Lions wide receivers when
you line them up and stack them down

561
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:15.960
one through four, no way.
Yeah, obviously we're obviously if you look

562
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:22.119
at our top two is better and
is better. And that's another thing too,

563
00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:24.840
is like he spreads the ball.
He is up there and he weighs

564
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:30.280
it over a lot because Alvin ra
is disgustingly better than anybody else on the

565
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:32.440
Packers. But one through four,
I think the Packers wide receiver corp is

566
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:37.519
deeper than one through four for the
Detroit Lions. See, I don't necessarily

567
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:42.840
see as that way more than I
see this kid Jordan love spreading, spreading

568
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:45.760
the love spreading the ball, and
part of that could be played gone too.

569
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:47.159
But I just think he throws it
to the ope man. He extends

570
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:50.840
those players, gets the ball out
to whoever it may be. I think

571
00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:53.239
that's why you see as a fantasy
player. Any guys in the chat that

572
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:55.639
played fantasy, you know it's kind
of tough of the week. You didn't

573
00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:59.800
know watch receivers in golf. We
made Packers Jared Goff does the same exact

574
00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:01.440
thing, because you know, I'm
Ross Brown get his every single week.

575
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:04.920
Yeah, but you don't know if
Josh Reynolds is gonna get four catches for

576
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:09.119
seven yards, or if Jamison Williams
is gonna get single year because Brown is

577
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:15.320
receiver talking, you interrupted me when
I was explaining my list. You don't

578
00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:16.320
have that in agreement. Packers,
there was a receiver that you know every

579
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:20.320
single weeks go because nobody on the
Green Bad Packers is as good as amaras

580
00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:22.880
Saint Brown. If they had amor
Ros Saint Brown on the Green Bad Packers,

581
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:25.400
he beginning just as many looks.
But because we have a first team

582
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:30.800
All Pro player at that position,
obviously you're gonna prioritize getting him the ball

583
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:32.320
more. But outside of that,
you don't know who's gonna beat you on

584
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:36.400
this Lions offense. You don't know
if it's gonna be Sam Laporta or if

585
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:38.000
it was Josh Reynolds, or if
it was Jamison Williams. One week,

586
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:42.400
you didn't know if it was Jamior
Gibbs. Obviously, Amon Ros Saint Brown's

587
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:45.840
gonna get his because he's the best, if not the second best receiver in

588
00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:49.639
the division. He's a first team
All Pro player, so you're not gonna

589
00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:52.840
not throw him the ball. If
the Packers had amor Ross Saint Brown,

590
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:54.719
they'd be giving him the ball just
as much and then distributing it around him.

591
00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:57.800
I can't, we can't say that
for sure. It was like if

592
00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:01.239
fans are butts or whatever nology people
used for that one. But when you

593
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:04.559
watch jord of Love, you just
they just spread the ball around more.

594
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:07.920
Uh. Even the top three receivers
are all within like twohundred yards of each

595
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:10.480
other, Jayden Reid, Romeo Dobbs, and the Davion Wicks. That's without

596
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:15.199
Christian Watson even being healthy. Eight
touchdowns for Reid, a touchdowns for Dobbs.

597
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:19.119
It's kind of all over the place. But I know what Cag's got.

598
00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:22.079
KG you Detroit's first round pick.
Yes, Sirry, ultimately, I

599
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:24.159
know you got jg on there.
But where you at? This was a

600
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:29.760
very biased lineup of mine, but
you can go ahead throw mine up pretty

601
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:32.800
much. I did find based off
of the twenty twenty three stats, so

602
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:37.559
I ended up, of course,
Jared Goff left tackle. Oh we didn't

603
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:39.840
have the image. Oh you know, I don't think get it together,

604
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:44.960
Chris, I don't think. I
don't think I think we got it in

605
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:46.320
late all right, Well, let
me uh let me pull up on my

606
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:52.400
got yeah, yeah, but yeah, I had uh Jared Golf of course.

607
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:55.960
At left tackle, I struggled with
Uh. I struggled with Taylor Decker

608
00:40:57.000 --> 00:40:59.440
because I wanted to put Christian I
mean, or Derris Shaw there, but

609
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:04.599
Taylor Decker he had maybe two more
sacks than him, but they had the

610
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:07.559
same amount of penalties. So to
me, Taylor Decker is the better of

611
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:09.480
the tackles, even though he had
two more penalties. The rest of the

612
00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:14.039
offensive line, a lot of the
offensive lines in the NFC North for still

613
00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:16.880
relatively young, so I tried to
just stay with the more experienced though line.

614
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:22.400
But at tight end you got Sam
laporta best rookie tight end season ever

615
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:28.920
really especially in the modern day.
Justin Jefferson of course, best wide receiver

616
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:31.239
in the NFC North. But then
you got a Miya Ras Saint Brown who's

617
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:35.920
right on his heels. I got
DJ Moore. He had more yardage and

618
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:39.840
less reception, so I took him
instead of Keenon Allen. And then David

619
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:44.440
Montgomery man because he just he had
it all. He had the double digit

620
00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:50.000
touchdowns over twelve hundred yards, and
I think his season was really slept on

621
00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:52.000
last year. I know Jamier Gibbs
the more electric, he had more yards

622
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:55.639
per carry, but I chose to
go with David Montgomery. So that is

623
00:41:55.679 --> 00:42:00.000
my list. Very lion centric.
But yeah, I'm not mad at it.

624
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:04.079
And tomorrow too, we'll come back
with the same list, excepting Wi

625
00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:07.480
be the defense side of the ball
when we get back. Actually, yeah,

626
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:08.679
we can get Nick's take on that. All right, we'll get back.

627
00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:10.920
Let's get some takes on it.
I'll read some stuff in the chat

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welcome back to whatever? It's live
wordsports dot com. I'm easy to join

650
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by Swimo Rex. You don't go
to Nicholas Cole off kg we just did

651
00:43:53.880 --> 00:44:00.280
our We just did our all NFC
North offensive teams. Nick reactions, Yeah,

652
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:04.960
I think the offensive side on this
one. I mean it's pretty chalk

653
00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:08.880
to be honest, Like you guys
obviously had very similar lists. But obviously

654
00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:13.519
it's it comes down to the quarterbacks. I mean, that's what is controversial

655
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:17.599
here is you have Jordan Love over
Jared Goff. I'm still at the point

656
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:22.039
we got to see it for the
second year as Jordan Love. I think

657
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:25.960
he does have an extreme hot an
extremely high upside, but I do want

658
00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:30.559
to see it another year for Jordan
Love and the fact that JJ McCarthy was

659
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:36.360
not your number one quarterback just playing. But yeah, that was my biggest

660
00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:39.880
takeaway of it. Jaska start reading. I'm already know it can be a

661
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:45.320
lot to go golf. So had
O'Neill just go and root for another team?

662
00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:50.639
What else we got here? Jared
Goff doesn't get injured by trying to

663
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:54.719
run like a running back. Cardier
I commented to just a fans that tried

664
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:58.760
to take the bias out when when
doing my analysts, he says, nobody

665
00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:01.280
else does. You'll only smart one
dot that dot what about Dion's my guy,

666
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:04.920
It's my brother. Been going live
with them every single Tuesday after the

667
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:07.360
draft, even doing last week,
right, God, have you seen Dion's

668
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:10.360
room? All right? Have you
seen it? There's a lot of lines

669
00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:15.599
in the slappy for sure. Yeah, but it is damn so yeah,

670
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:19.280
that's my guy. Love, a
mobile quarterback, gets a lot of praise

671
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.119
to shift God. Cary brings up
Anthony rich and getting hurt, and Jordan

672
00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:24.800
loves not Anthony Richson. So I
don't I don't know how that one comes

673
00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:28.880
in, but uh yeah, but
yeah, I did put Love over golf

674
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:32.760
in my all NFC North offense and
by the numbers, less turnovers, more

675
00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:37.679
touchdowns, that's putting on your feet
and throwing Jordan Love had him beat with.

676
00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:44.960
I'd say a lesser offense in my
opinion, probably good. I'd say

677
00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:46.199
I would say just good play gong, because I do look at Ben Johnson

678
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:50.920
as like, yeah, goaded,
but pretty pretty damn good. Play pretty

679
00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:52.920
good. It's not that big of
a fall off like justin Yeah, he's

680
00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:55.760
up there for sure. Less offensive
line, I would say he's a top

681
00:45:55.760 --> 00:46:00.119
five play color in the NFC.
The floor for sure. Yeah, So

682
00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:07.920
yeah, it's like Shanahan McVeigh,
Ben Johnson Lafleur, and I don't even

683
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:10.320
know who i'd put it five.
Yeah, Bunter asked, does win counts?

684
00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:17.079
Do wins count? No, not
quarterbacks stat for me? When quarterbacks

685
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:20.400
that well, I mean it's not
an actual stat, but when it should

686
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:24.400
matter though, when it should matter
with that too, like we saw here

687
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:28.880
firsthand, like Matthew Stafford five thousand
yard season, five thousand yard season,

688
00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:30.800
lose the season, lose the season
just over five hundred. Like That's why

689
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:35.199
I don't deal with yards too much, even in the Jordana Love versus or

690
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:37.599
Jordan Yeah, Joe Love Versusjared golf. You know your golf would take that

691
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:40.039
in yardage. And then you also
look at them attempts. I think you

692
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:43.599
had like twenty more attempts as well. You know what I'm saying. But

693
00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:47.559
yards you can make, you could
draw some context to him touchdowns and exceptions.

694
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:51.079
That's where I live off of,
like my quarterback value. Yeah,

695
00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:54.840
I mean that's what wins and loses
your games, is scoring touchdowns or throwing

696
00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:59.440
interceptions. So I'm not mad at
it. Like I said, it's if

697
00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:01.760
you want to our, you the
Jordan Love over Jared Goff stuff. You

698
00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:05.320
can you can argue that, but
I'm I need to see it at least

699
00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:08.599
one more year at the quarterback position
because that is the most important position,

700
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:13.440
especially when tape gets out on you, and teams have a full year of

701
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:16.400
you playing the quarterback position, they'll
be able to game plan and scheme better.

702
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:20.480
I took it exactly what DCP one
said. If you're picking a quarterback

703
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:23.519
to build a team, you're picking
you know who. I want to say

704
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:28.840
a lot because it's gross because he
is. This was all NFC North So

705
00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:32.119
that's why I felt like it had
to be Golf. That's second best quarterback

706
00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:37.199
in the NFC. What do you
mean he has less touchdowns than Jordan Love

707
00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:39.000
and more turnovers. It don't matter. Man. He got to the NFC

708
00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:44.320
championship game. They got bounced by
the same team a week earlier. Yeah,

709
00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:47.079
I'm not going to put that as
an argument because that's that's a team.

710
00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:51.079
That's a team accomplishment. Yeah yeah, but he was a lot of

711
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:55.119
the reason they got there. Completion
percentage throughout the playoffs like them on again,

712
00:47:57.079 --> 00:48:00.960
not the team accomplishment. I get
it. I'm a I get to

713
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:04.199
a lot of people Jered Goff fence. I just I think there's a reason

714
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:07.360
why Jered Goff had these numbers right
top ten. I believe everything. I'm

715
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:10.039
not mistaken. Didn't get a single
and I'm not just not me ragging on

716
00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:15.280
the guys. I told you the
Dallas game he was kind of bordering into

717
00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:16.400
the top five. But the Dallas
game, thank you. See, I

718
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:20.960
didn't think that was it because that's
just one game he still had that was

719
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:23.239
the most watched game that season.
Because even in that situation, he did

720
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:25.880
come back and have the game winning
touchdown Tech League and then would have had

721
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:30.440
the game winning two point conversion.
You know what I'm saying. I just

722
00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:34.000
I don't think it's sync to that
much. The reason why the real reason

723
00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:37.320
with ball Knower's they don't mean iNFiNiT
anybody, but you put on the tape

724
00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:42.960
or just study like the context around
everything, great play calling, great offensive

725
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:45.159
line. It's not diminishing Jered Goff
either way. I'm just saying, like

726
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:47.079
there's a reason why he's not giving
these MVP notes even back when he was

727
00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:51.159
in LA. I just don't wi
argument, because of course, you want

728
00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:52.760
a good team around your quarterback.
You're not just gonna give them garbage.

729
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:57.639
Absolutely, but it's like, okay, now, our success the contributing factors,

730
00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:00.880
Like when you watch Jordan Love put
up these numbers, You're watching them.

731
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:02.400
Okay, this is sack coming,
I'm breaking out, I'm running,

732
00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:07.199
I'm gonna make this throw on the
run man first down, different quarterbacks,

733
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:10.079
it's different ways the skin of cat. It's your your contributions to it.

734
00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:13.400
The way I put it, and
I've said this before too, is like,

735
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:15.840
what are you doing outside the structure
of play to make things happen?

736
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:17.480
You're doing some perfect side the structure
of play. You're doing your goddamn job.

737
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:21.599
You're doing it great. Jared Goff
is great at that outside the structure.

738
00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:22.760
If he's pressured, sometimes you're not
able to get it. He takes

739
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:25.599
a sack or throws it out of
bounds. Whatever it may be, is

740
00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:28.280
what it is. I have no
issue with it. He's keeping the ball

741
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:30.719
clean. Jordan Love has ability to
extend that play saying you still keep it

742
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:34.719
alive. That's that's why we do
those MVP votes. It's like, Okay,

743
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:37.639
Jared Goss's putting the work within the
structure of play with a great system

744
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:40.440
with the great offensive line, help
them keep them up right to make these

745
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:45.119
plays. I'm not I'm not trying
shut up. Why he's not getting VP

746
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:46.039
votes is the reason why? Well, like I said, I just need

747
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:49.920
to see another year of Jordan lift. That's completely fair. I have no

748
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:51.719
I have no beef with that.
To be honest with you, is it

749
00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:57.199
too bold to maybe even go with
the number one overall prospect here? Do

750
00:49:57.199 --> 00:50:00.800
you think he should be in the
discussions? Because he is, he has

751
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:07.360
Williams. He gotta earn it.
Bro, you's gotta take a like how

752
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:10.880
many times Johnny Manziel like, you
can have all the hype, and I

753
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:15.679
think Caleb Williams is gonna be a
great quarterback. Yeah, he's a little

754
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:21.159
zesty and he he don't matter.
I think he's gonna touchdown. I don't

755
00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:22.519
care if you're payting your fingernails.
If you could throw four hundred yards of

756
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:27.639
four touchdowns, like, it doesn't
matter to me. So he's but I

757
00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:29.960
think he's gonna be a good quarterback. But I'm not putting him up there

758
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:31.840
yet, not even close. He's
got he's got to play before I'm gonna

759
00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:36.719
say he's he's better than these guys. I like I said, the Jordan

760
00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:39.079
love stuff one hundred percent. Get
where you're coming from easy. Like like

761
00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:42.840
you said, he can move around
the pocket very well. He makes throws

762
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:45.000
on the run very well. You
see his mannerisms in the way he does

763
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:51.440
stuff. It's very Rogers esque with
how his body language and his fakes and

764
00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:53.480
stuff like that. You can tell
you sitting behind that for a couple of

765
00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:57.519
years, Sonny, it's tough.
Can they have a bad quarterback once?

766
00:50:57.599 --> 00:51:00.440
Yeah, Well, we'll see.
We'll see. Like I said, the

767
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:02.440
league's got tape on him now,
So this is the year for him to

768
00:51:02.519 --> 00:51:06.800
prove that he's really liked that and
your best work might be a light pack

769
00:51:06.920 --> 00:51:12.519
like he might not be outlived,
Mike, We'll see, Like I said,

770
00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:16.519
this is the year for him to
prove it, because the league knows

771
00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:21.239
who you are now. The league
has tape on your reads and your mannerisms.

772
00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:22.480
So if you go out there and
do it again, then yet then

773
00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:27.199
you're legit Broder. With some facts, Jared Goff is the best number one

774
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:30.199
overall pick in the division. That's
fact as right now. Yes, I

775
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:35.039
can't argue with that one. I
didn't read this one. Yes, I'm

776
00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:37.679
not gonna jump in and read it. I guess I'll read a blindly fuck

777
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:39.599
it. Okay, here's my question
for easy. With the Lions current roster,

778
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:44.880
if they play any team nor case
in the Super Bowl, can they

779
00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:52.960
win it up with golf? Or
is golf breaking point for you? If

780
00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:55.840
if you're in the game, you
can win it. I think they I

781
00:51:55.840 --> 00:52:00.199
think they can win the Super Bowl
with go I think this team that they've

782
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:02.920
compiled around him place to his strengths
extremely well. You have a top five

783
00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:07.599
play caller in the NFL in Ben
Johnson. You have a lot of great

784
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:12.880
yards after catch pieces like Amanas Saint
Brown and Sam Laporta and Jmier Gibbs and

785
00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:15.360
James and Williams, the guys that
can make things happen with the ball in

786
00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:22.760
their hands in space. So I
think it's very, very very reasonable to

787
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:24.119
say they can get it done with
Eric Goff with this team around them.

788
00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:29.199
But we talked about it now.
They already paid I know this is an

789
00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:32.760
argument for another day, but they
already paid Amina Saint Brown, they already

790
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:36.960
paid Penney Suel. We all love
Aiden Hudginson. We want them to pay

791
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:39.119
Aiden Hodgson. There are other guys
that are gonna need to get contracts down

792
00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:43.800
the line. Can you pay all
of them and keep the same roster.

793
00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:45.599
No, you literally can't. It's
been proven that you can't do that.

794
00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:49.840
But that's something we'll run into when
we get to it. Right now,

795
00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:52.800
they have a roster that's good enough
to win the Super Bowl. In my

796
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:55.159
mind, this is probably the best
point, and shame on me for now

797
00:52:55.159 --> 00:52:59.599
thinking of it. Credit to Robert
Hayden. Phenomenal point, and he says,

798
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:01.519
actual, Jim, ask you this
one, all right, if you

799
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:07.519
switch situations between golf and love,
do you think it'd be just as successful

800
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:12.159
with golf and carry Green Bay to
that second round of playoffs with that coaching

801
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:16.440
staff. I feel like he could
honestly, all right, I mean I

802
00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:20.320
understand that ain't your cup of tea, but do you think Love would have

803
00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:23.559
gone also to this conference championship with
this? If let's say anythinks that the

804
00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:28.360
green Bay wide receivers are better than
the Lions wide receivers. They have a

805
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:32.480
run game, they have good coaching. Everything that golf needs is in Green

806
00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:37.360
Bay as well. If Aaron,
if Aaron Jones wasn't a China Doll like

807
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:40.760
Jones and j does Aaron Jones a
j Don is a good combination of running

808
00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:43.639
backs to have. Now, do
you think the Lions would have gone just

809
00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:46.159
as far as Jordan Love? That
offensive line? And in the same excuse

810
00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:51.039
you gave, that's tough because Love
sat for a long time. This last

811
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:55.719
year was his first four year.
Just last year swapping them out, inexperience

812
00:53:55.840 --> 00:53:59.199
tells me that he wouldn't have made
it as far. Yes, he would

813
00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:01.000
have been successful. I don't think
he makes it as far as golf because

814
00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:04.280
the golf has been there before.
Nick, you had to end up.

815
00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:07.760
No. I was talking to Chris. Oh good, Nick, I know

816
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:15.360
what's going on, and I think
that's the best liked. Do you think

817
00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:19.400
a bit of a second round?
I don't even know who did they play

818
00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:22.920
in the first round? Dallas,
Dallas, Yeah, yeah, Dallas,

819
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:29.440
yeah, Dallas. I think like
they have. Obviously, if you have

820
00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:32.159
Jared Goff, you would have to
tailor the offense differently than you do with

821
00:54:34.719 --> 00:54:37.880
Jordan Love. But I think the
weapons that they have in Green Bay are

822
00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:42.119
equitable to what Jared Goff wants to
do. Like, you could tailor that

823
00:54:42.199 --> 00:54:46.239
offense and those guys around Jared Goff's
strengths, like Jayden Reid run after catch

824
00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:51.000
would be nasty. Romeo Dobbs he
could be that slant guy, that in

825
00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:53.039
the middle guy. And on top
of that you got Christian Watson who could

826
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:57.960
be a deep shot reverse run after
like they have great weapons. Taking a

827
00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:00.840
little bit of a hitting the tight
end department because loop Us Gray still got

828
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:02.159
a little ways to go. The
porter just kind of came out the gate.

829
00:55:02.239 --> 00:55:06.800
But I mean everything else is essentially
there that Golf would need. So

830
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:08.519
yeah, that's just me. Brother
asked, have a question, how much

831
00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:12.920
better is Jared Golf? Desmon Ridder
a lot better? Yes, not even

832
00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:16.360
close? Yeah, like that very
weak arm. Yeah, Desmond Rider is

833
00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:20.920
the worst quarterback in the NFL.
It's really not close. Well what about

834
00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:24.079
Mac Jones though, I take Mac
Jones over Desmond Ridder really yeah? Yeah,

835
00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:27.920
Mac Jones just showed us he can
do something in the league at some

836
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:31.360
point, truly convinced, like a
lot of people, like if we have

837
00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:36.039
Patrick Mahomes's division, he would still
be pissed off ed if I had had

838
00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:39.760
no No, there's this chat,
yeah kidding me. I mean they definitely

839
00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:45.039
throw golf, but golf beat him
twice. Yeah, chet, wait,

840
00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:49.000
super Bowls me nothing? Will you
just said wins me nothing? Super Bowls

841
00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:52.039
be nothing. We don't call them
gawkers for nothing, but that's very true.

842
00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:54.599
I also think there are reasonable people
in the chat. There are.

843
00:55:55.360 --> 00:56:00.599
I appreciate my time with you boys. I'm looking forward to watching ag kill

844
00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:02.360
it. Yeah. Man on the
Mighty, they might kick me off for

845
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:06.639
the show is over, so I
technically don't even qualify. I'm light heavyweight,

846
00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:09.360
so you know it is what it
is. You should a sandwich anyway,

847
00:56:09.800 --> 00:56:13.079
suvery disappointed. I shout it out. Man, my man, there's

848
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so many drive dudes you can stop
by there. Go sell some cards.

849
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:17.239
Brother. I will make sure you
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850
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back to the Woodend Heavyweights live on
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879
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They're joined on the desk by the
one and Only KG. We've got Nick

880
00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:32.840
in the SAMD booth and Chris on
the ones and twos with Korean Jesus cutting

881
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his scratches some clips. So you
just got done breaking down Jordan Love and

882
00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:43.039
the situation going on with the Packers
and the Lions. The one thing the

883
00:59:43.039 --> 00:59:45.400
Lion I talked about, the Lions
receiving core. It was a little bit

884
00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:49.559
lacking. Some people still think they
need a wide receiver. They need to

885
00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:52.800
add a wide receiver, and I
have faith in Donovan People's jones to be

886
00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:55.679
able to step up into that wide
receiver role. Is there a guy on

887
00:59:55.719 --> 01:00:00.360
this free agent's list that you would
like to see different? Peace people that

888
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:05.480
have talked about are Jay Jones formerly
for the Jacksonville Jaguars, or Tyler Boyd,

889
01:00:05.480 --> 01:00:08.320
who has spent his time in the
Cincinnati organization. Between those two guys,

890
01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:12.440
who would you rather see an Alliance
uniform? I think I would rather

891
01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:14.960
see Tyler Boyd, But it's just
about the money man. I think he's

892
01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:16.880
going to cost too much money.
Zay Jones wouldn't be bad in that spot

893
01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:20.239
though. I like the speed a
lot. He has solid hands. But

894
01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:23.960
to be honest, I'm in your
bow. I feel like DPJ is going

895
01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:27.719
to be the answer for this team. They took a risk on him only

896
01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:30.920
one year, two million dollars.
But you're looking at a guy that almost

897
01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:35.280
had a thousand yard season, almost
playing the same type of wide receiver role.

898
01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:37.719
So I would lean more toward DPJ. But if they want to add

899
01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:40.960
a receiver, why not. Yeah, I look at it as I'm the

900
01:00:40.960 --> 01:00:44.960
same with you. I think DPJ
can step up because I'm expecting a big

901
01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:47.440
jump from Jameson Williams to be that
wide receiver two. Yes, and then

902
01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:52.599
I think DPJ could be the wide
receiver three in this offense. But if

903
01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:54.639
we're looking at one of these guys, I'd rather be Jay Jones. Honestly,

904
01:00:54.800 --> 01:01:00.519
I think Jay Jones is more comfortable
playing that outside receiver role where Tyler

905
01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:05.119
Boyd kind of by necessity, just
because of they already had Jamar Chase and

906
01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:09.440
T Higgins as their outside receivers,
played majority in the slot in Cincinnati.

907
01:01:09.519 --> 01:01:14.440
But Jay Jones plays that outside role. He played it in a couple different

908
01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:16.880
organizations. I believe he played it
with the Bills, the Raiders, and

909
01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:20.960
the Jaguars in his career. I
know two years ago I think for the

910
01:01:21.039 --> 01:01:23.559
Jaguars was his best season where he's
close to a thousand receiving yards. But

911
01:01:23.800 --> 01:01:27.559
I think he's more comfortable in their
outside role and that's what we need.

912
01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:30.440
We don't need a slot guy.
We got Amara Brown the slot god.

913
01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:34.840
We got Cleeve Raymond who can play
that slot as well. And I think

914
01:01:34.880 --> 01:01:37.079
if they're gonna add somebody, it's
gonna be somebody on the outside, and

915
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:39.320
I think Zay Jones fits it better
than tell Well. I mean, would

916
01:01:39.360 --> 01:01:43.719
they even need it. The way
they use their receivers, it's always different,

917
01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:45.440
you know, so I don't know
necessarily, like, yes, you

918
01:01:45.800 --> 01:01:49.599
want a receiver with outside presence,
but we have that on the team,

919
01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:52.519
and when you add another receiver to
this room, I just feel like you

920
01:01:52.599 --> 01:01:54.519
could be taking targets away from JMO, which is kind of the point.

921
01:01:54.519 --> 01:01:59.639
They wanted to phase more into JMO
this year. So that's why I think

922
01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:02.840
is not a priority. But I
wouldn't be mad at Issa Jones, absolutely

923
01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:07.760
not. But I just feel like
Tyler Boyd. He just he fits more

924
01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:10.719
of that role and then maybe you
can use DPJ more on on red zone

925
01:02:10.760 --> 01:02:14.599
downs. He's a big body.
You need a big body down there to

926
01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:17.079
be able to catch passes in the
end zone. But that's just me,

927
01:02:17.159 --> 01:02:21.079
though, I would prefer Tyler Boyd. I want to see did Zay Jones

928
01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:23.880
does he does any punt return or
kick return work good? But we we

929
01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:28.719
got Khalif Raymond DPJ can return kiss
they talking about Jamo might possibly do it

930
01:02:28.760 --> 01:02:31.519
with remember with that news the new
rules, like you can never have enough

931
01:02:31.519 --> 01:02:35.800
of those guys to throw back there
and be able to do some different yea

932
01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:38.920
hockey. Yeah, Craig Reynolds,
we know has dabbled in that before.

933
01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:43.679
It doesn't look like he did not
return kicks or punts. Yeah, just

934
01:02:43.679 --> 01:02:46.360
throw that out the window. Yeah, but that is another guy that's I

935
01:02:46.480 --> 01:02:50.000
like your point. Though they use
the wide receivers, it's so differently.

936
01:02:50.239 --> 01:02:52.039
None of these guys are structured into
a role. They all do different right.

937
01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:54.719
The mind rad lines up on the
outside. Sometimes you'll see Jamo on

938
01:02:54.760 --> 01:02:57.800
the slide. You gonn see a
lot of different things. And then they

939
01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:00.440
also mix in the backs as well. So you don't want I have too

940
01:03:00.440 --> 01:03:05.639
many miles, you know, that's
fair. Nick. I am with Tyler

941
01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:07.920
Boyd on this one. I mean
he's put up a couple thousand yard receiving

942
01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:14.800
seasons. He's a veteran that you
could rely on in this league and played

943
01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:16.880
seventeen games last year, you know, so it doesn't get hurt as well.

944
01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:21.880
I think he'd fit right in with
this offense what we'd like to do.

945
01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:25.719
But I don't think it's like a
massive, like massive need like people

946
01:03:25.719 --> 01:03:30.480
were talking about during the draft,
like I think DPJ does step up in

947
01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:34.199
that role for the third receiver,
and like you said, Spendmo, I

948
01:03:34.239 --> 01:03:37.239
had the sky's the limit for Jameson
Williams. I have the highest of expectations

949
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:40.599
that he's going to absolutely explode in
his third season, so I think a

950
01:03:40.639 --> 01:03:44.079
lot of the targets are going to
go to him. That's the question though,

951
01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:46.400
how much of elite does Jamo need
to take in order for him to

952
01:03:46.519 --> 01:03:51.800
justify that number two. I think, like we've heard we heard Dan Campbell

953
01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:54.440
speak on it before, where he's
never going to be the all hands guy,

954
01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:58.679
even though we saw some nasty hands
catches from him at the end of

955
01:03:58.719 --> 01:04:01.239
the year last year. He's never
gonna be the Amen Ross Saint Brown type

956
01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:05.760
of volume gu Yeah, he's not
gonna be the fifteen targets ten receptions a

957
01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:11.000
week kind of guy. I would
like to see him at about four five

958
01:04:11.119 --> 01:04:14.400
catches a week, yes, with
a couple reverses thrown in there too,

959
01:04:14.440 --> 01:04:17.039
so like, yeah, seven touches
a week. That would be perfect for

960
01:04:17.159 --> 01:04:21.239
me and am like, this is
a guy who per touch has one of

961
01:04:21.239 --> 01:04:26.559
the best touchdown to touch ratios in
the NFL. So if you get him

962
01:04:26.559 --> 01:04:29.440
more touches and more involved in the
offense. It's only gonna do good things

963
01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:32.400
for you, That's true. But
I mean a lot of people they just

964
01:04:32.440 --> 01:04:35.280
want to see more from JMO lights
stats wise, What do you think is

965
01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:40.400
a realistic like stat expectation from him
this year? Because I feel like anything

966
01:04:40.679 --> 01:04:44.559
under probably eight or nine hundred,
people are probably still gonna be upset with

967
01:04:44.599 --> 01:04:46.400
the kid. Anything under eight hundred
yards and I'd be a little disappointed.

968
01:04:46.480 --> 01:04:51.960
I think he's gonna be around eleven
hundred all purpose yards, So whether that

969
01:04:53.039 --> 01:04:56.880
be nine hundred receiving, two hundred
rushing, and then around ten touchdowns,

970
01:04:57.320 --> 01:04:59.840
that's what I expect from him because
you know we're gonna get the stat lines.

971
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:04.239
Jameson Williams three catches, seventy five
yards, two touchdowns in a game

972
01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:08.440
like and that's the perfect Jameson Williams
game. That's true. That's something I

973
01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:11.039
would like to see. That's big
things. I was right there with you,

974
01:05:11.119 --> 01:05:14.239
Spenny, I wrote it down while
you were talking ten touchdowns, twelve

975
01:05:14.320 --> 01:05:17.400
hundred total yards. I think that
he just adds so much to this offense,

976
01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:21.079
where like if Ben Johnson doesn't get
him more involved, I'm gonna be

977
01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:25.800
a little concerned, yeah, because
he does just score touchdowns. Like literally,

978
01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:28.960
it feels like every time he touches
the ball, it seems like he's

979
01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:31.760
running in the end zone. So
I think that we definitely need to use

980
01:05:31.840 --> 01:05:38.880
him on more reverse run plays this
season because they've all gone for like forty

981
01:05:38.960 --> 01:05:41.920
yards in a touchdown. It seems
like grace. How do you feel about

982
01:05:41.960 --> 01:05:45.639
Jamo? I love it. I
love the position he's in because you know

983
01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:47.960
what he is somebody that's been vocal, and I don't mean this a negative

984
01:05:47.960 --> 01:05:51.760
way, but he has been vocal
about wanting opportunities, and this is a

985
01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:57.519
this is an awesome opportunity to be, you know, especially if you aren't

986
01:05:57.559 --> 01:06:00.800
consistently counting on a third wide receiver. This is a chance to really be

987
01:06:00.840 --> 01:06:03.760
in a sense, not just a
TU but kind of a one B right,

988
01:06:03.880 --> 01:06:06.920
Like, this is a chance.
This is a lot of opportunity that

989
01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:10.719
he can that he can get here, And I like the position that the

990
01:06:10.760 --> 01:06:14.400
Lions are in when it comes to
Zay Jones and Tower Board, I'm right

991
01:06:14.440 --> 01:06:16.719
with you guys on expectations for Jmo. But when it comes to adding a

992
01:06:16.760 --> 01:06:20.920
receiver, I think the Lions are
in a position where they can wait out

993
01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:24.920
to season, see what cuts happened
before the season. If anyway they like,

994
01:06:25.119 --> 01:06:27.599
go ahead and get them. If
not, you can play this out

995
01:06:27.639 --> 01:06:30.480
to the trade deadline. You really
can, Like, I think this is

996
01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:34.559
a this is a roster that right
now in an offense as potent enough,

997
01:06:34.679 --> 01:06:39.519
you give Jamo all those extra touches. Then at the trade deadline, if

998
01:06:39.519 --> 01:06:44.360
you really feel like you don't trust
trust dpust go out. You go out

999
01:06:44.360 --> 01:06:46.639
and you get and you and you
get that final piece right at right at

1000
01:06:46.639 --> 01:06:48.639
the deadline. But yeah, I
think I think you let this. I

1001
01:06:48.639 --> 01:06:51.960
think you let this team run and
see what it what it, what it,

1002
01:06:53.159 --> 01:06:55.760
what's made of unless you get opportunity
that has to get to pass up.

1003
01:06:56.000 --> 01:06:58.800
And I see people talking in the
comment session, like Brothers said,

1004
01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:02.599
I'd rather have more targets for guys
like Jmo, DPJ Khalif and maybe a

1005
01:07:02.639 --> 01:07:05.840
few for Green. I mean,
this is the same receiving core we had

1006
01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:10.760
last year, but without Josh Reynolds. Yeah, so there is a lot

1007
01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:14.320
of targets there to go around,
and I don't think adding another piece to

1008
01:07:14.360 --> 01:07:17.719
this is going to kind of nullify
the targets for different guys. Like Jamo

1009
01:07:17.800 --> 01:07:23.599
is going to be scripted his five
targets in game now because of the connection

1010
01:07:23.800 --> 01:07:27.199
that him and Golf have. In
these past couple games, we saw that

1011
01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:30.239
chemistry and that trust get there.
They're gonna have the full offseason. He's

1012
01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:33.159
not going to be suspended to start
the year or injured to start the year,

1013
01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:38.679
you know, right, and so
he's gonna be hit the ground running.

1014
01:07:38.719 --> 01:07:41.760
He's gonna be scripted at least five
catches, at least five touches in

1015
01:07:41.800 --> 01:07:44.519
the game, I believe. So. I think there's plenty of targets to

1016
01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:46.400
go around. And you look at
last year, he was technically like the

1017
01:07:46.400 --> 01:07:49.719
third option in the offense. I
think this year that definitely gets moved up,

1018
01:07:49.880 --> 01:07:53.800
and a lot of this is going
to be dependent on DPJ to step

1019
01:07:53.840 --> 01:07:57.039
into that Josh Reynolds type row.
I know a lot of people hated on

1020
01:07:57.119 --> 01:08:00.840
Josh Reynolds for the NFC Championship game, right, Yeah, that's the reason

1021
01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:03.840
why we lost it. I understand
that. I understand that. But what

1022
01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:09.039
he did during the season and essentially
since he came here, he really helped

1023
01:08:09.079 --> 01:08:13.039
ignite that offense. He got Jared
Goff to a place where he was spreading

1024
01:08:13.039 --> 01:08:15.319
the ball around more. But he
was also able to find guys and you

1025
01:08:15.399 --> 01:08:18.159
saw him struggle less, you saw
him turn over the ball less. Gave

1026
01:08:18.239 --> 01:08:23.000
him some comfortability. And I feel
like DPJ he needs to step into that

1027
01:08:23.079 --> 01:08:27.520
role because last year he was virtually
invisible, right And Jamo has a skill

1028
01:08:27.560 --> 01:08:30.600
set on this team that no one
else can mimic. Like we have the

1029
01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:34.039
guys like I'm in Saint Brown and
the Khaliff Raeman and last year at Josh

1030
01:08:34.079 --> 01:08:39.399
Reynolds and Sam Laporta. All these
guys eat in the middle of the field.

1031
01:08:39.479 --> 01:08:43.039
Different things like that Jamison Williams is
the only player on this team that

1032
01:08:43.119 --> 01:08:45.800
has that oh fuck speed, yeah, where like if he gets it,

1033
01:08:45.520 --> 01:08:48.079
if he gets in a full run
going right at you, you're saying,

1034
01:08:48.159 --> 01:08:53.880
oh fuck, because you're back pedaling
against him. And we saw that evident

1035
01:08:53.960 --> 01:08:57.720
to that in that Tampa Bay game
when they were starting to clog it up

1036
01:08:57.760 --> 01:09:00.800
a little bit, the offense started
to bog down a little bit, and

1037
01:09:00.800 --> 01:09:03.439
then they hit Jamo over the top
for that big touchdown. And the rest

1038
01:09:03.479 --> 01:09:06.039
of the game, though, that
middle of the field was a little bit

1039
01:09:06.119 --> 01:09:11.119
more open because Antoine Winfield and All
Pro safety one of the best safeties in

1040
01:09:11.119 --> 01:09:15.079
the NFL has to account for arguably
the fastest player in the NFL right on

1041
01:09:15.119 --> 01:09:16.279
the other side, Like, if
he gets a step on you, your

1042
01:09:16.319 --> 01:09:19.199
fucking toast. So that is the
only guy, Like I love that.

1043
01:09:19.720 --> 01:09:23.960
I just thought of that, and
I love it. As his descriptor is

1044
01:09:24.199 --> 01:09:27.399
Jamo's got that oh fuck speed to
where if he gets a step on you,

1045
01:09:27.439 --> 01:09:30.720
it's over. And he is the
only guy in the wide receiving corps

1046
01:09:30.760 --> 01:09:34.119
that has that kind of explosion.
So I think he's going to be involved

1047
01:09:34.119 --> 01:09:38.279
a lot more and it's not just
gonna be as a decoy like it was

1048
01:09:38.319 --> 01:09:40.840
a lot less. And when you
think about it, that's scary, man,

1049
01:09:40.840 --> 01:09:44.560
because this was a top three offense
without Jamo taking the top off man.

1050
01:09:44.600 --> 01:09:46.479
And I kept saying that last year, if you can get Jamo to

1051
01:09:46.520 --> 01:09:49.960
write amount of touches in games,
man, I swear this will unlock a

1052
01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:54.479
whole new level to this offense.
But a lot of that is going to

1053
01:09:54.520 --> 01:09:58.319
be dependent upon the jam O Goff
relationship. Do you think their relationship has

1054
01:09:58.399 --> 01:10:01.319
taken maybe a step up? I
felt like more times than not, it

1055
01:10:01.359 --> 01:10:04.920
was a trust factor, like golf
had learned trust Jamo, and once he

1056
01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:09.079
got that, you saw it more. Yeah, as time went on.

1057
01:10:09.199 --> 01:10:11.520
Do you think that relationship is improved? I do? I do. I

1058
01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:14.600
think Jamo did a lot to improve
it in those last couple of games,

1059
01:10:14.600 --> 01:10:16.680
like we saw them. Give him
a little bit of more of a rout

1060
01:10:16.760 --> 01:10:20.560
tree, yeah, and him make
those contested catches where he's got somebody draped

1061
01:10:20.600 --> 01:10:24.359
all over him and it's all hands
at the top of the route or him

1062
01:10:24.359 --> 01:10:27.359
in the back of the end zone
making an all hands catch, And that's

1063
01:10:27.399 --> 01:10:30.359
the kind of stuff you want to
earn a quarterbacks trust you don't drop the

1064
01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:35.359
ball. And so the start of
Jameson Williams's career was kind of a perfect

1065
01:10:35.359 --> 01:10:39.960
storm of terrible situation. It really
was like he had the injury that he

1066
01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:43.199
had to bounce back from and then
he started getting going a little bit,

1067
01:10:43.479 --> 01:10:46.079
then gets suspended and when he comes
back then he has a little bit of

1068
01:10:46.079 --> 01:10:50.359
the drops. So you don't have
the rapport with golf from reps because you're

1069
01:10:50.399 --> 01:10:54.840
suspended an injury, and then when
you're getting it in game, you have

1070
01:10:54.920 --> 01:10:58.800
the drops, which makes a quarterback
lose confidence in you. But now he's

1071
01:10:58.880 --> 01:11:02.000
seen that he's that's not our thing. I think Jmo has righted his wrongs.

1072
01:11:02.119 --> 01:11:04.399
We didn't talk about Jami dropping the
ball for the whole second half of

1073
01:11:04.399 --> 01:11:06.600
the year last year. That's true, so I expect them to have a

1074
01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:12.479
lot more confidence, especially with a
full offseason, a full training camp ready

1075
01:11:12.520 --> 01:11:15.079
to go next year. I think
it's gonna definitely help their rapport. We

1076
01:11:15.159 --> 01:11:18.279
do got to go to break though, We're gonna be back because I do

1077
01:11:18.960 --> 01:11:23.039
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01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:27.159
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and welcome back to the wilburd iv
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1106
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Spencer Aster. He is KG filling
in for easy. We got Chris

1107
01:13:21.359 --> 01:13:25.479
on the TD booth and Nick on
the woods and twos with Free and Jesus

1108
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cutting his crestion in the mes chair
and the amazing Bethany in the back but

1109
01:13:30.239 --> 01:13:32.520
you can't see her, so we
appreciate you all tapping in. We just

1110
01:13:32.640 --> 01:13:36.840
were talking about Donovan Peoples, Jones, Jamison Williams, who's going to replace

1111
01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:41.039
that Josh Reynolds role. And I
thought about, like, I think,

1112
01:13:41.159 --> 01:13:44.720
obviously it's gonna be a little bit
from everybody, because not just one person

1113
01:13:44.800 --> 01:13:47.520
is going to take over his role, but specifically what he brought to the

1114
01:13:47.560 --> 01:13:51.880
table. You talked about Jamison Williams
filling that role more running those routes.

1115
01:13:53.119 --> 01:13:56.000
I think Donovan People's Jones is gonna
be the guy we see take over that

1116
01:13:56.079 --> 01:13:58.960
role in the red zone. Yeah, because he is the big body guy.

1117
01:13:59.000 --> 01:14:01.600
He is the sixth three, you
know, forty five inch vertical dude.

1118
01:14:01.640 --> 01:14:05.119
I think he can be the red
zone threat on this team that Josh

1119
01:14:05.159 --> 01:14:09.840
Reynolds was when he was under team
Yeah, and that was a big role

1120
01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:13.680
or big reason why they brought in
Josh Reynolds in the first place was to

1121
01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:16.079
be that big target. And you
saw him kind of thriving that. Now

1122
01:14:16.560 --> 01:14:19.239
we we have seen DPJ do this. Like I said, he was a

1123
01:14:19.279 --> 01:14:24.560
guy that was close to one thousand
yards before. He's he's been that red

1124
01:14:24.600 --> 01:14:28.079
zone target before, and you just
want to see him continue to grow.

1125
01:14:28.159 --> 01:14:30.600
Now. I don't know what his
relationship with Golf of d like this year.

1126
01:14:31.159 --> 01:14:34.279
Like I said last year, towards
the trade THATWN line understandably he had

1127
01:14:34.279 --> 01:14:36.920
to pick up the playbook. He
didn't have that much rapport with Golf.

1128
01:14:36.960 --> 01:14:43.439
But I expect him to What do
you think is a realistic expectation for him,

1129
01:14:43.439 --> 01:14:45.560
because Dune he needs. I feel
like he can get in that six

1130
01:14:45.600 --> 01:14:49.079
to seven hundred range. You got
amyro Say Brown, who teams are gonna

1131
01:14:49.079 --> 01:14:54.720
be game planning for. Everybody knows
about Jamo's speed. So Jamo absolutely,

1132
01:14:54.760 --> 01:14:58.199
they're gonna be trying to account for
him, especially plays deep. I feel

1133
01:14:58.199 --> 01:15:01.880
like that opens the middle and down
low for DPJ to get those dirty yards.

1134
01:15:01.920 --> 01:15:05.680
But what does that look like.
I think Donovan Peoples Jones is going

1135
01:15:05.720 --> 01:15:10.920
to be like kind of in the
JMO role of last year, where it

1136
01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:14.439
depends the flavor of the week,
where whether it's one week he goes for

1137
01:15:14.479 --> 01:15:17.399
five catches for sixty yards and the
next week he goes for two targets and

1138
01:15:17.479 --> 01:15:20.560
doesn't do it. I think it's
gonna depend on the game flow what's going

1139
01:15:20.640 --> 01:15:25.600
on there. But also he is
probably your number two red zone threat on

1140
01:15:25.640 --> 01:15:28.720
this team behind Sam Laporta. Yeah, so expect him to be in a

1141
01:15:28.720 --> 01:15:31.279
lot of the red zone sets.
Expect him to be If you're gonna throw

1142
01:15:31.279 --> 01:15:34.319
a fade to a wide receiver on
this team, it's gonna be Donovan Peoples

1143
01:15:34.359 --> 01:15:38.920
absolutely, So I could see him
eating a lot in the red zone as

1144
01:15:38.920 --> 01:15:43.680
well as being the kind of glue
piece where if this isn't working, if

1145
01:15:43.680 --> 01:15:46.640
that isn't working, if they're doubling
Amara Saint Brown and taking it over from

1146
01:15:46.720 --> 01:15:49.159
JMO on the top, you got
DPJ. One on one on the outside,

1147
01:15:49.239 --> 01:15:51.399
he can make a play. Yeah, and you also still have to

1148
01:15:51.399 --> 01:15:56.119
account for the backs in the backfield. You do feel like they're gonna utilize

1149
01:15:56.159 --> 01:15:59.319
Jamr a little bit more. We
know last year he kind of struggled in

1150
01:15:59.319 --> 01:16:00.720
that role. I was really surprised, like I thought he would have a

1151
01:16:00.720 --> 01:16:02.880
lot more catches. Toward the end
of the year, he kind of got

1152
01:16:02.880 --> 01:16:08.159
better with that. But I expect
them to still try to utilize Jamir a

1153
01:16:08.159 --> 01:16:12.199
lot in those back out of the
backfield passing sets and things of that nature.

1154
01:16:12.279 --> 01:16:15.520
So it's just interesting, man,
because they do everything so differently here

1155
01:16:15.560 --> 01:16:19.039
man, and they really have a
knack of spreading the ball around to pretty

1156
01:16:19.079 --> 01:16:21.159
much everybody. Like you said,
it's gonna be pretty much a flavor of

1157
01:16:21.199 --> 01:16:24.920
the weak type situation. So it's
kind of hard to gauge. But I

1158
01:16:24.960 --> 01:16:28.800
do expect DPJ to come in here
and be able to put up similar if

1159
01:16:28.840 --> 01:16:30.520
not, you know, the same
number. Yeah. How do you feel

1160
01:16:30.560 --> 01:16:35.039
about how that backfield breaks down?
Do you think it's like it was last

1161
01:16:35.119 --> 01:16:39.399
year where it's DeMont He's gonna be
your hammer and then you're bringing Gibbs to

1162
01:16:39.439 --> 01:16:42.119
switch it up a little bit or
do you think they lean more Jamir Gibbs

1163
01:16:42.359 --> 01:16:45.880
now, seeing what he can do, Seeing how he took over for David

1164
01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:48.039
Montgomery when he was injured and looked
like one of the best backs in football,

1165
01:16:48.279 --> 01:16:50.359
you think they lean on him and
give him the rings. Now,

1166
01:16:50.399 --> 01:16:56.560
technically, I do feel like Montgomery
is still RB one on this team,

1167
01:16:56.600 --> 01:16:59.960
but Jamiir Gibbs is absolutely gonna get
way more touches this year. I really

1168
01:17:00.079 --> 01:17:03.199
think it's going to be game plan
game plan dependent. But you also have

1169
01:17:03.279 --> 01:17:06.640
to account shown Avaki. This is
somebody that they brought in. He was

1170
01:17:06.720 --> 01:17:10.920
drafted as a safety, but when
he was here for his Top thirty visit,

1171
01:17:11.000 --> 01:17:14.560
they utilized him more in the with
the offensive coaches than they did the

1172
01:17:14.600 --> 01:17:18.119
defensive coaches. They clearly have a
plan for him. I think he gets

1173
01:17:18.119 --> 01:17:21.840
into the mix somewhere too explosive.
Man still kind of have Craig Windo's uh

1174
01:17:23.239 --> 01:17:27.359
waiting in the rings too, So
man, I just don't It's a lot

1175
01:17:27.399 --> 01:17:30.000
that they can do. Man,
it is absolutely a lot that they can

1176
01:17:30.039 --> 01:17:33.640
do. But Dima absolutely is that
first back to me still. He proved

1177
01:17:33.640 --> 01:17:38.680
it last year over a thousand yards, double digit touchdowns. He was your

1178
01:17:38.720 --> 01:17:42.920
workforce back and you want to keep
some of that tread off of Jamiir Gibbs

1179
01:17:42.920 --> 01:17:47.439
tires as well. See I disagree. I think that Jamior Gibbs should be

1180
01:17:47.479 --> 01:17:50.520
your RB one going forward. Okay, I think he showed, Like the

1181
01:17:50.600 --> 01:17:55.159
concern with people was can he run
between the tackles? Can he do it

1182
01:17:55.199 --> 01:17:58.239
between the tackles? He showed last
year he could do it between the attacks.

1183
01:17:58.319 --> 01:18:00.800
Yeah. Like I said, he
is the most explosive running back in

1184
01:18:00.840 --> 01:18:04.399
the NFL. He has more twenty
yard touches than any other running back in

1185
01:18:04.439 --> 01:18:11.159
the NFL, and that was he
had almost a thousand yard season while splitting

1186
01:18:11.439 --> 01:18:15.319
a backfield with another thousand yard rusher
Troue with barely getting any touches in his

1187
01:18:15.359 --> 01:18:17.560
first four or five. If it
ain't Brophy fix it, I just think

1188
01:18:17.600 --> 01:18:21.439
it could be so much more of
a weapon. Like we saw how good

1189
01:18:21.479 --> 01:18:28.119
that offense looked when unfortunately David Montgomery
is hurt. But when Jamier Gibbs was

1190
01:18:28.159 --> 01:18:31.199
that RB one and he was running
through everybody, I think you lean to

1191
01:18:31.279 --> 01:18:34.479
that more. Obviously, Montgomery is
still a great running back that you can

1192
01:18:34.520 --> 01:18:38.640
give it to between the tackles and
he can catch the ball in the backfield

1193
01:18:38.640 --> 01:18:41.640
too as well. But I just
would like to see them lean towards Gibbs

1194
01:18:41.640 --> 01:18:44.119
just because of how explosive and how
much of a weapon he is. I

1195
01:18:44.199 --> 01:18:47.600
understand, but I really wit Air
Tours decide to keeping the traid off the

1196
01:18:47.680 --> 01:18:51.000
tires light. Like you said,
it worked pretty much as is. He

1197
01:18:51.039 --> 01:18:55.840
almost got a thousand yards being the
quote second back. Yeah, but I

1198
01:18:55.880 --> 01:18:59.119
mean when you look at Jamiir Gibbs, I feel like, in time he

1199
01:18:59.199 --> 01:19:02.560
will eventually take over that running back
one row. But while you have DMO

1200
01:19:02.720 --> 01:19:06.479
on this team, you do need
to utilize him because he is so good

1201
01:19:06.479 --> 01:19:10.520
at running between the tackles. And
not to say Jamiir Gibbs can't, but

1202
01:19:11.039 --> 01:19:13.760
I would prefer to keep him as
the change of pace. Not to say

1203
01:19:13.760 --> 01:19:15.920
he's just a change of back,
but I would prefer to keep him in

1204
01:19:15.960 --> 01:19:19.279
that change of pace. You throw
off defenses so much when you have a

1205
01:19:19.319 --> 01:19:23.880
power runner like David Montgomery, and
then you switch it up to the finesse

1206
01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:28.720
style of Jamiir Gibbs almost Barry like, it's almost Barry esque. Man is

1207
01:19:28.760 --> 01:19:30.720
scary man. And then also,
like I said, utilizing him out the

1208
01:19:30.760 --> 01:19:34.239
backfield as well, so he'll be
doing more double duty in that department than

1209
01:19:34.319 --> 01:19:39.960
David Montgomery. So for right now, I would still air David Montgomery first,

1210
01:19:39.960 --> 01:19:43.079
but you're gonna get a heavy dose
of Gibbs. Don't get it messed

1211
01:19:43.159 --> 01:19:45.720
up. Oh for sure. Yeah, it's that's what. It's not even

1212
01:19:45.760 --> 01:19:50.479
really like an RB one situation.
Yeah, it's like like those guys both

1213
01:19:50.800 --> 01:19:56.199
getting an insane amount of run.
And I do think that we're gonna see

1214
01:19:56.199 --> 01:19:59.600
some Ben Johnson get a little freaky
next year. Maybe both of them in

1215
01:19:59.600 --> 01:20:04.239
the back field at the same time. Six nine god like, maybe both

1216
01:20:04.279 --> 01:20:08.880
of them in the backfield at the
same time. Maybe Jamior Gibbs in a

1217
01:20:08.920 --> 01:20:14.079
wildcat situation, maybe Jamiir Gibbs lined
up as a slot motioning like. I

1218
01:20:14.119 --> 01:20:16.560
think they have the freedom to do
a lot in this offense. I would

1219
01:20:16.600 --> 01:20:18.479
love to see that. I don't
know why they haven't done it to this

1220
01:20:18.520 --> 01:20:21.640
point, because that's something I was
screaming before. Why don't you have both

1221
01:20:21.640 --> 01:20:25.720
of these guys in the backfield at
the same time. They're both dynamic.

1222
01:20:26.119 --> 01:20:29.039
David Montgomery, yes he's a power
runner, but he also has some speed

1223
01:20:29.079 --> 01:20:31.359
on him. Man, we saw
a lot of just breakaway runs from here.

1224
01:20:31.399 --> 01:20:33.640
The long year, I'm pretty sure
you had the longest running football,

1225
01:20:33.640 --> 01:20:36.479
didn't even like a seventy five yard
touchdown run. You see what happens,

1226
01:20:36.720 --> 01:20:41.079
Yeah, see what happens when you
actually give him an offensive line to run

1227
01:20:41.079 --> 01:20:43.880
behind, because that was the problem
in Chicago. He never had the old

1228
01:20:43.920 --> 01:20:45.439
line for him, but he always
had that ability. Yeah. So,

1229
01:20:45.960 --> 01:20:48.239
like I said, while you got
him here, I just feel like you

1230
01:20:48.279 --> 01:20:51.319
definitely need to utilize them, especially
coming off the year that he kind of

1231
01:20:51.359 --> 01:20:55.439
had last year. I love David
Monca. I always liked David Montgomery.

1232
01:20:55.479 --> 01:20:58.199
Even when he was in Chicago.
He was a thousand He had a thousand

1233
01:20:58.239 --> 01:21:01.000
plus all purpose yards every single year
of his career. And that's even looking

1234
01:21:01.000 --> 01:21:04.159
in Chicago when he had nobody running
like nobody in front of him. And

1235
01:21:04.199 --> 01:21:08.239
now he's got the best offensive line
in football round behind Nick. How do

1236
01:21:08.279 --> 01:21:12.319
you feel about it? Yeah,
I think that Gibbs should be getting close

1237
01:21:12.359 --> 01:21:15.359
to like seventeen eighteen touches a game. That's Romack because I think he's so

1238
01:21:15.439 --> 01:21:18.439
dynamic. I would love to see
him coming out of the backfield in some

1239
01:21:18.520 --> 01:21:23.319
wheel routes because I think with Jamo's
speed, going deep, you can easily

1240
01:21:23.359 --> 01:21:26.960
do something with Gibbs out of there. You got to catch it. He

1241
01:21:27.039 --> 01:21:30.720
got to catch it. That was
saw some We saw some drops this season,

1242
01:21:30.399 --> 01:21:33.159
especially early. I think there was
a big one in that Seahawks loss,

1243
01:21:33.159 --> 01:21:36.119
if I'm not mistaken as well.
So I would love to see his

1244
01:21:36.239 --> 01:21:42.119
touches get up close to like seventeen
eighteen per game because I think he has

1245
01:21:42.359 --> 01:21:46.000
the ability to just break down defenses
by himself, and I think I think

1246
01:21:46.000 --> 01:21:49.359
we're going to see that a lot
this year. But and not taking anything

1247
01:21:49.399 --> 01:21:55.159
away from Demo, but it's just
less explosiveness, you know. But I

1248
01:21:55.199 --> 01:21:58.840
think Demo or DeMont is big for
this team. Also, want to give

1249
01:21:58.880 --> 01:22:05.039
a quick little update. Has officially
gone yard to lead off the game.

1250
01:22:05.439 --> 01:22:15.600
First first absolute superstar in the making, Riley Green. This team would be

1251
01:22:15.840 --> 01:22:17.920
unwatchable if he wasn't on the team's
facts. We're gonna be talking about the

1252
01:22:17.960 --> 01:22:20.000
Tigers in a little bit. But
Chris, how do you feel about the

1253
01:22:20.079 --> 01:22:27.520
running back situation? Listen, I
think that Gibbs has done everything he could

1254
01:22:27.560 --> 01:22:30.520
to earn, you know, to
earn RB one touches. But I I

1255
01:22:30.560 --> 01:22:33.119
agree with KG here. I think
KG made a exce some point. I

1256
01:22:33.199 --> 01:22:39.560
think I think there is a there
is an advantage to using Monty as still

1257
01:22:39.600 --> 01:22:43.279
the kind of the lead back by
default, but then having gives for that

1258
01:22:43.399 --> 01:22:46.439
change of pace, because I just
think that was so that was so unpredictable

1259
01:22:46.439 --> 01:22:49.439
and it was so it was so
tough for defenses. I think when they

1260
01:22:49.439 --> 01:22:51.920
got going at the end of the
year, I think you saw the best

1261
01:22:53.039 --> 01:22:58.039
version of this Lion's running running team. Because the times when you know,

1262
01:22:58.760 --> 01:23:01.119
would you love Gibbs to get the
Baltimore Yeah, but the times Manti got

1263
01:23:01.159 --> 01:23:03.199
it, It's not like it's not
like you were like, damn, should

1264
01:23:03.199 --> 01:23:05.640
have gave it to Gibbs there.
Yeah, Like how many times did you

1265
01:23:05.680 --> 01:23:10.279
say that this season? I don't
ever remember saying those words. Then another

1266
01:23:10.319 --> 01:23:13.640
thing with Gibbs, and he is
still learning this. He got better as

1267
01:23:13.680 --> 01:23:16.239
the year win along, but he's
learning to become a more patient runner.

1268
01:23:16.600 --> 01:23:21.000
Like he gets the ball and he
just so fast sometimes doesn't let the line

1269
01:23:21.039 --> 01:23:24.840
develop all the way. And we
saw a lot of times last year him

1270
01:23:24.840 --> 01:23:29.880
get stopped in the backfield, the
NFC Championship being the biggest one, and

1271
01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:31.600
normally you wouldn't see that from him. But he's getting better at being a

1272
01:23:31.600 --> 01:23:35.199
patient runner, but that's also something
that he still needs to work on as

1273
01:23:35.199 --> 01:23:38.800
he goes along. It was just
his rookie year. I expect him to

1274
01:23:38.800 --> 01:23:42.319
get better, but and that's I
remember Austin Eckler saying that about by the

1275
01:23:42.319 --> 01:23:45.479
way, Austin Eckler, you owe
some fucking eyebrows, Broer. We didn't

1276
01:23:45.520 --> 01:23:49.079
forget he got the clip pay up. He said, top fifteen running backs,

1277
01:23:49.079 --> 01:23:53.039
both of them in fantasy, you're
shaving your eyebrows. Well happened,

1278
01:23:53.319 --> 01:23:58.520
so bring those eyebrows here. But
he did say that. I think it

1279
01:23:58.600 --> 01:24:02.079
was that interview. I think he
said, like you got, as running

1280
01:24:02.119 --> 01:24:06.560
back, you attack half a man, and David Montgomery is extremely good at

1281
01:24:06.560 --> 01:24:10.239
doing that. That's why he breaks
so many tackles. That's why he's so

1282
01:24:10.279 --> 01:24:12.600
hard to get down because he at
texts the half of the guy. And

1283
01:24:12.640 --> 01:24:15.399
we saw, like you said,
Gibbs started to get that as he went

1284
01:24:15.439 --> 01:24:17.840
on in his rookie and then at
the end of the year when he's fucking

1285
01:24:17.840 --> 01:24:21.079
making Vikings defenders look like idiots.
By the time the Raiders game came,

1286
01:24:21.199 --> 01:24:24.880
it was he had it. He
had it. I loved I just love

1287
01:24:24.920 --> 01:24:29.359
seeing Jamir Gibbs play football. It's
so much fun and it's We're gonna watch

1288
01:24:29.600 --> 01:24:31.600
a lot of it for a long
time. With Jimir Gibbs in Honolulu Blue

1289
01:24:31.800 --> 01:24:34.960
not going Yeah, for sure,
we do gotta go to break. But

1290
01:24:35.039 --> 01:24:39.479
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01:24:39.920 --> 01:24:43.960
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back to the what We'd happy with. It's live on mobdsports dot com live

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01:26:47.039 --> 01:26:53.119
from the Planet Fitness Studios. I
am Spencer Aster, he is KG filinging

1316
01:26:53.199 --> 01:26:57.279
for easy. We got Chris on
the ones and twoes, Nick in the

1317
01:26:57.359 --> 01:27:00.920
audio booth, and our god choreaing
Jesus in the mess. We just got

1318
01:27:00.000 --> 01:27:02.439
done talking about Lions. We talked
a lot about the Lions, about the

1319
01:27:02.520 --> 01:27:08.760
wide receiver situation, the running deck
situation. Now let's shift over to the

1320
01:27:08.800 --> 01:27:12.840
Tigers and what's going on there.
They got swept by the Yankees over the

1321
01:27:12.880 --> 01:27:18.960
weekend. Honestly, kind of you
can't. It was an extremely pitiful,

1322
01:27:19.039 --> 01:27:25.000
pitiful performance by the offense. You
had the pitching staff go out there,

1323
01:27:26.079 --> 01:27:30.640
Turik schoolbo Reyese Olsen give you two
fantastic outings and you just waste both of

1324
01:27:30.680 --> 01:27:33.920
them. And the thing that sticks
out is Spencer Turtleossen. I know we

1325
01:27:34.039 --> 01:27:39.319
talked about it on VD, but
this is a guy who hit thirty home

1326
01:27:39.399 --> 01:27:43.079
runs last year. This is a
guy who you drafted first overall one to

1327
01:27:43.119 --> 01:27:47.479
one. This is a guy who
you expected to be the centerpiece of your

1328
01:27:47.520 --> 01:27:51.640
offense. And this is a guy
who can't hit a fucking fastball? What's

1329
01:27:51.640 --> 01:27:56.760
going on with Spencer Tarbert Lowell?
Like you said it, it's the fastball,

1330
01:27:57.039 --> 01:27:59.920
and he's just he's in his head, man, and you can tell

1331
01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:03.800
he's pressing. He's pressing really hard, man. And I know it's only

1332
01:28:03.920 --> 01:28:08.000
May. You want to see him
start to hit home runs, but I

1333
01:28:08.039 --> 01:28:10.600
don't even need that from him.
I just need him to start putting the

1334
01:28:10.640 --> 01:28:14.000
ball and play. It seems like
with this guy every few days he gives

1335
01:28:14.039 --> 01:28:17.079
you a couple doubles and then he
just oh for four, oh for two,

1336
01:28:17.239 --> 01:28:20.640
oh for three. You want to
see him do better because this Tigers

1337
01:28:20.720 --> 01:28:27.239
offense isn't gonna go anywhere without Spencer
Torkosen starting to warm up, and you

1338
01:28:27.279 --> 01:28:30.520
don't want to see it wait until
after All Star break. We saw him

1339
01:28:30.520 --> 01:28:32.920
get off to a slow start last
year, but around August or so he

1340
01:28:33.000 --> 01:28:36.359
really started ramping up. You want
to see him do this earlier in the

1341
01:28:36.399 --> 01:28:41.239
season so we can get runs on
the board and not waste these good pitching

1342
01:28:41.319 --> 01:28:45.920
performances. Man, like this starting
lineup and this bullpen. Although the bullpen

1343
01:28:45.920 --> 01:28:48.800
has been getting touched lately, you're
still one of the more above average bullpens

1344
01:28:48.800 --> 01:28:53.079
in baseball, and you just you
hope that they can turn it around.

1345
01:28:53.079 --> 01:28:56.039
But it starts with tork Man.
Tork is a big key to this car,

1346
01:28:56.520 --> 01:28:58.840
and I just hope you can get
it going soon. Man, you

1347
01:28:59.239 --> 01:29:00.199
or you got to send him.
You gotta send it. I think you

1348
01:29:00.239 --> 01:29:02.800
gotta send him down right now.
I think, like, like we talked

1349
01:29:02.840 --> 01:29:06.359
about, it's you see him falling
in the batting order. This is a

1350
01:29:06.399 --> 01:29:11.239
guy who had that four spot baked
in, Like he's your cleanup hitter beginning

1351
01:29:11.279 --> 01:29:13.640
this year. Like, that's your
guy. He's gonna hit your home runs,

1352
01:29:13.640 --> 01:29:15.079
he's gonna drive that, he's gonna
drive the runners in and he hasn't

1353
01:29:15.119 --> 01:29:18.279
been able to do that. And
I'm not asking for him to be this,

1354
01:29:18.760 --> 01:29:21.640
you know, Miguel Cabrera two point
zero. I'm not asking for him

1355
01:29:21.640 --> 01:29:26.399
to be Albert Poohles. I'm asking
for him to hit two sixty with some

1356
01:29:26.479 --> 01:29:29.560
power. Yeah, Like if he
was hitting two sixty with five bombs right

1357
01:29:29.600 --> 01:29:32.479
now, we wouldn't be having this
conversation. The dude has zero home runs

1358
01:29:32.720 --> 01:29:35.960
and he's hitting like two twenty.
Like that is unacceptable. Man, this

1359
01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:41.760
is your one one like power hitter. He broke Barry Bond's fucking records in

1360
01:29:41.800 --> 01:29:44.640
college. Like, this is a
guy who should not be having zero home

1361
01:29:44.720 --> 01:29:46.840
runs almost two months through the season, right And when you look at the

1362
01:29:46.880 --> 01:29:51.359
Tigers makeup, he is literally like
the only quote quote bomber on your team.

1363
01:29:51.479 --> 01:29:56.119
There's no long ball hitters on this
team. This team is very small

1364
01:29:56.159 --> 01:30:00.279
ball. They play the moneyball type
type style of offense where you got to

1365
01:30:00.319 --> 01:30:02.720
keep the line moving. But he
is somebody that we expected. Okay,

1366
01:30:02.800 --> 01:30:05.359
he had thirty homers last year.
He should at least be able to be

1367
01:30:05.439 --> 01:30:09.880
close to that this year. And
the way he's trending right now is not

1368
01:30:10.000 --> 01:30:13.520
looking good. And it's been a
month. Man, Like, we tried

1369
01:30:13.560 --> 01:30:15.960
to give him some time. We
understand when the weather gets warmer, normally

1370
01:30:15.960 --> 01:30:19.359
the hitters get better. But if
you can't turn your fastball man and the

1371
01:30:19.439 --> 01:30:23.560
MLB, you are going to have
trouble. And that just seems to be

1372
01:30:23.640 --> 01:30:26.640
a problem, not just for him, but for the Tigers offense as a

1373
01:30:26.680 --> 01:30:29.920
whole. Like you said, six
through nine are like virtually unplayable, man,

1374
01:30:29.960 --> 01:30:31.479
and that's it's a sin. Nick. How are you feeling about Torque

1375
01:30:31.560 --> 01:30:34.520
kg? I think Riley Green would
like a word when it comes to the

1376
01:30:35.279 --> 01:30:39.279
being a bomber on this team,
well, yeah, he's bawling out right

1377
01:30:39.319 --> 01:30:44.359
now. But it's so surprising about
Torkleson. Honestly, like we all thought

1378
01:30:44.520 --> 01:30:47.680
going into his third year now that
he was gonna take that next step to

1379
01:30:47.840 --> 01:30:53.159
becoming an All star that you expect
out of a one to one draft pick,

1380
01:30:53.439 --> 01:30:58.319
and especially a college bat like that
should translate. But the fact that

1381
01:30:58.399 --> 01:31:01.439
he can't hit a fastball like that
is the most surprising thing in the world

1382
01:31:01.520 --> 01:31:05.279
to me, because all this guy
did was rake in college. Yeah,

1383
01:31:05.319 --> 01:31:08.239
and we saw it at the end
of last year. I mean, he

1384
01:31:08.359 --> 01:31:13.000
was hitting it felt like a home
run every single game out And it's extremely

1385
01:31:13.039 --> 01:31:19.279
surprising. It's extremely worrio. This
team wanted to give their young bats opportunities.

1386
01:31:19.399 --> 01:31:23.520
It has come back and just completely
bitting us in the ass here.

1387
01:31:23.800 --> 01:31:27.520
Yeah, and I don't see how
it's gonna change. Well, honestly,

1388
01:31:27.680 --> 01:31:30.359
you had to see what you have. Like, I understand that he has

1389
01:31:30.399 --> 01:31:33.439
a slow start, but I do
think it's too early to start calling this

1390
01:31:33.479 --> 01:31:36.159
guy, But I don't. I
think you have to give it to at

1391
01:31:36.199 --> 01:31:40.239
least the end of the year to
really gauge like if he's a bust or

1392
01:31:40.279 --> 01:31:44.039
not. But this is something that
you know, what was to be expected.

1393
01:31:44.079 --> 01:31:47.399
The young lineup was gonna go through
growing pains. You're facing MLB pitching

1394
01:31:47.720 --> 01:31:51.760
consistently, like it's gonna be hard, but we didn't think it would be

1395
01:31:51.760 --> 01:31:55.600
this bad. Now, to their
credit, they've managed to find ways to

1396
01:31:55.640 --> 01:31:59.279
win games. But when your runs
are always coming in the eighth or ninth

1397
01:31:59.399 --> 01:32:03.119
inning, obviously that's not sustainable.
So I just don't know what the answer

1398
01:32:03.239 --> 01:32:05.800
is right now, but you got
to change something up, And I know

1399
01:32:05.920 --> 01:32:10.960
aj Hinch said that they have absolutely
no plans as of right now to send

1400
01:32:11.079 --> 01:32:14.399
Tork down. I disagree with that. I think you should change. Yeah,

1401
01:32:14.560 --> 01:32:17.079
seriously, like two to three weeks
down in the miners right now.

1402
01:32:17.439 --> 01:32:20.279
I don't think that's a bad idea. Try to get some of his confidence

1403
01:32:20.279 --> 01:32:23.640
back. But what do you feel
about aj Hint saying that they have no

1404
01:32:23.760 --> 01:32:26.560
plans. I don't like that.
I don't think there should be you should

1405
01:32:26.560 --> 01:32:30.760
have no plans for anything because we
see him continuously going down in the lineup

1406
01:32:30.760 --> 01:32:31.760
now. I don't know what he's
betting today, but I assume it's either

1407
01:32:31.800 --> 01:32:34.680
six or seventh, And yeah,
you can't go much further than that if

1408
01:32:34.680 --> 01:32:36.760
you're gonna keep moving him down.
By the end of it, you gotta

1409
01:32:36.760 --> 01:32:39.520
move him out, and you got
to move him to Triple A. Like,

1410
01:32:39.920 --> 01:32:43.159
I don't want to crush his confidence
or anything, but sitting at zero

1411
01:32:43.279 --> 01:32:45.119
home runs on the season, I
think he's doing worse for his confidence than

1412
01:32:45.159 --> 01:32:47.760
a ten day trip to the Triple
away. And I think sitting on the

1413
01:32:47.800 --> 01:32:50.680
bench is killing this confidence too,
because I understand if you want him to

1414
01:32:50.680 --> 01:32:54.159
sit on the bench and maybe just
get a different view, but to me,

1415
01:32:54.359 --> 01:32:58.640
you're wasting him. He's too important
to this team to just sit him

1416
01:32:58.640 --> 01:33:00.079
on the bench for like a week
man, and you can he can That

1417
01:33:00.119 --> 01:33:03.239
time could be spent down in the
miners trying to improve. But I feel

1418
01:33:03.239 --> 01:33:11.600
you Jesus, he's hitting fifth today
by the way. Overwhelmed. Yeah,

1419
01:33:11.399 --> 01:33:14.000
yeah, that was what I was
about to add in with the And then

1420
01:33:14.159 --> 01:33:18.439
also it's one one now the Guardians
tied it on the bottom. Who's who's

1421
01:33:18.439 --> 01:33:24.760
on the Mountie Flarity Lardy? All
right, but how do you feel about

1422
01:33:24.760 --> 01:33:29.760
Torque? I am definitely on the
send him down train. I definitely think

1423
01:33:29.760 --> 01:33:34.199
AJ needs to adjust his mentality on
this he is just struggling. He's in

1424
01:33:34.239 --> 01:33:38.119
his head. He needs to go
down. He needs to gain that confidence.

1425
01:33:38.159 --> 01:33:41.680
He needs to not be hitting off
a level fast balls from a level

1426
01:33:41.720 --> 01:33:44.760
pictures. He needs to go down. He needs to get some confidence,

1427
01:33:44.840 --> 01:33:48.119
hit some bombs. It's much easier
down there. We've seen it with everyone.

1428
01:33:48.359 --> 01:33:53.239
I also think that, uh,
that young is hitting the ball pretty

1429
01:33:53.279 --> 01:33:55.479
well down there. I mean that
could be an option. There are some

1430
01:33:55.600 --> 01:33:59.640
options down there that are hitting relatively
well with above average m O b O

1431
01:33:59.720 --> 01:34:01.279
p I as it is in the
minors. But you saw, but but

1432
01:34:01.359 --> 01:34:03.600
do do it. But you came
up and was hot for a little while

1433
01:34:03.680 --> 01:34:06.800
and sustained the offense last year for
a little while and then got cold and

1434
01:34:06.800 --> 01:34:10.880
then got sent down again. Yeah, but there are those spurts, and

1435
01:34:10.920 --> 01:34:14.800
that spurts can be very beneficial,
especially when you could send someone down who

1436
01:34:14.800 --> 01:34:17.760
can get back with a spurt of
themselves. With torkosin coming back and potentially

1437
01:34:17.760 --> 01:34:21.960
being back to form of last year, and at least with Parker Meadows,

1438
01:34:23.039 --> 01:34:25.600
yes he's struggling at the plate,
but at least you can say, okay,

1439
01:34:25.640 --> 01:34:29.520
he does do things defensively. He
runs the bases if he can get

1440
01:34:29.600 --> 01:34:32.239
on base, but he runs the
bases good. But at least you have

1441
01:34:32.359 --> 01:34:35.800
that with Torque, is like he's
playing first base. Besides the hitting,

1442
01:34:36.239 --> 01:34:39.800
What are we really getting from him
at this point is he's kind of just

1443
01:34:39.880 --> 01:34:44.439
another body out there. I think
that instead of like, I don't know

1444
01:34:45.199 --> 01:34:47.680
a way to ease Torqu into it
or to not just completely embarrass him.

1445
01:34:47.720 --> 01:34:50.800
If that's what you're worried about,
send all three of them down. Serious,

1446
01:34:50.840 --> 01:34:54.560
Send Torqu, Meadows and Keith all
down at the same time. Serious,

1447
01:34:54.760 --> 01:34:58.399
au three go get your shit straight, Like, go get your shit

1448
01:34:58.479 --> 01:35:00.359
together, and then they can do
what is a unit that can do it

1449
01:35:00.399 --> 01:35:04.920
as guys who won't be singled out
like oh look, just Spencer Targolson gets

1450
01:35:04.920 --> 01:35:08.560
sent down. No, you send
all three of those guys down. You

1451
01:35:08.640 --> 01:35:12.000
bring up Maloy, you bring up
Badou, and you bring up young and

1452
01:35:12.079 --> 01:35:15.000
you'll let the young kids have a
couple of hacks at it and then bring

1453
01:35:15.000 --> 01:35:16.600
those guys back up when they're more
confident. Yeah, and I think at

1454
01:35:16.600 --> 01:35:20.039
this point, so what do you
think if we see another, let's say

1455
01:35:20.199 --> 01:35:25.439
week or two of this from Torque, what is the timeline? Like,

1456
01:35:25.960 --> 01:35:28.720
I know you don't plan to send
me down now. But if things don't

1457
01:35:28.800 --> 01:35:30.319
change, this can't go on for
another week. I don't feel like,

1458
01:35:30.399 --> 01:35:33.439
yeah this is I think this is
the perfect time to do it, honestly,

1459
01:35:33.520 --> 01:35:36.920
because you're still over five hundred.
You have a little bit of a

1460
01:35:38.039 --> 01:35:42.640
of a leeway, and it's not
like you're gonna get worse if you send

1461
01:35:42.640 --> 01:35:45.439
Spencer Targosen down right now. So
I think right now would be the perfect

1462
01:35:45.439 --> 01:35:48.239
time to do it, before you
really start to get into all right,

1463
01:35:48.279 --> 01:35:53.039
we're really trying to get this,
get this ALE champion or this ALE Central

1464
01:35:53.079 --> 01:35:55.479
Championship right here. Yeah, So
I think you do it now. And

1465
01:35:55.520 --> 01:35:59.479
we got a lot of young guys
that's down there hitting well, Jay Jong

1466
01:35:59.560 --> 01:36:02.239
as you brought up justin Henry malloy. He he had a good bad in

1467
01:36:02.239 --> 01:36:05.479
the spring. He's also doing okay
in the miners and even a kill bad,

1468
01:36:05.880 --> 01:36:09.680
which I know a lot of people
he's he's kind of controversial, not

1469
01:36:09.760 --> 01:36:13.600
the best hitter in the world,
but even him at this point might be

1470
01:36:13.840 --> 01:36:16.560
a little better than what you're doing
right now. But something has to change.

1471
01:36:16.840 --> 01:36:20.159
But due on his worst day is
gonna hit two twenty. Yeah,

1472
01:36:20.159 --> 01:36:24.840
and that's better than zero point zero
nine which is what we're getting from Parker

1473
01:36:24.880 --> 01:36:28.199
Meadows right now. Like he can't
even hit one hundred, but dude on

1474
01:36:28.239 --> 01:36:30.640
his worst day would hit two twenty. That's true. So I'm saying do

1475
01:36:30.680 --> 01:36:33.880
it right. Cokekeith as well.
He's another one that's that's been struggling a

1476
01:36:33.920 --> 01:36:38.079
lot and not understand they paid him. But you gotta put him down.

1477
01:36:38.159 --> 01:36:41.399
You got him put down. You
got to bring up bring up Dingler like

1478
01:36:41.439 --> 01:36:44.640
bring or bring bring up somebody.
They're gonna do something. Yeah, you

1479
01:36:44.680 --> 01:36:48.840
saw it where you saw You saw
it with Jackson Holliday, the best prospect

1480
01:36:49.039 --> 01:36:54.399
ever like or one of the best
prospects to ever come up. He struggled

1481
01:36:54.640 --> 01:36:58.199
in the major leagues and they signed
him back down. Yeah, they shouldn't.

1482
01:36:58.239 --> 01:37:00.000
It's not rocket science here. And
one of the guys you guys have

1483
01:37:00.079 --> 01:37:05.800
mentioned him justin Henry Maloy for twenty
four on base percent and that's elite.

1484
01:37:05.840 --> 01:37:10.319
He's got thirteen extra base hits.
This is a bat that would help this

1485
01:37:10.520 --> 01:37:14.399
lineup to night in Cleveland. Yeah, I have no idea why this guy's

1486
01:37:14.479 --> 01:37:17.239
not up right now. I cannot
keep seeing the same line up being put

1487
01:37:17.239 --> 01:37:21.399
out there every single night. And
when Cel Perez played center pretty well.

1488
01:37:21.479 --> 01:37:25.680
Yeah, you like I think is
there if your argument is we don't want

1489
01:37:25.680 --> 01:37:29.600
to put Riley in center, well, Vierling can play center when cel Perez

1490
01:37:29.640 --> 01:37:31.399
can play center. Aqueb but doing
if you bring him up, worst case

1491
01:37:31.439 --> 01:37:33.760
scenario, can play center. I
don't want to see him in center,

1492
01:37:33.880 --> 01:37:36.680
right, But like, you got
multiple guys that can play center field.

1493
01:37:36.960 --> 01:37:41.640
So that's not something I'm worried about
because Wenzel Prez looked pretty pretty good out

1494
01:37:41.640 --> 01:37:45.119
there when he was in center field. And yeah, you gotta bring up

1495
01:37:45.159 --> 01:37:47.640
Maloy, you gotta you gotta send
Metos down, you gotta send Torque down,

1496
01:37:47.800 --> 01:37:51.680
Like, let these guys get their
mind right before we actually need them

1497
01:37:51.760 --> 01:37:55.760
in games that will literally make or
break our season. It's true, but

1498
01:37:55.920 --> 01:37:58.640
I mean, at this point,
we just gotta trust aj hinch Man.

1499
01:37:58.720 --> 01:38:01.079
He's he's made all a right moves
to this point, so he's earned a

1500
01:38:01.119 --> 01:38:05.199
little bit of cachet in that department. Aj hinch he knows he normally has

1501
01:38:05.239 --> 01:38:10.079
a good sense of win to pool
someone uh you know, whin to pinch

1502
01:38:10.119 --> 01:38:13.159
hit when to do things of that
nature. He says he has no plans

1503
01:38:13.239 --> 01:38:16.000
right now, but that could easily
change, especially if you're he's sitting on

1504
01:38:16.000 --> 01:38:18.199
the bench next to you for a
couple of games, you send him back

1505
01:38:18.199 --> 01:38:21.279
in and he still isn't working out. But at this point, we got

1506
01:38:21.319 --> 01:38:25.279
to just trust aj Hinch and trust
the depth on this team, because we

1507
01:38:25.319 --> 01:38:28.720
have a lot of depth on this
team. Yeah, the real quick the

1508
01:38:28.760 --> 01:38:32.800
thing about Hench is we haven't really
seen him publicly go at somebody. Yeah,

1509
01:38:33.319 --> 01:38:38.159
not even either. He just kind
of did with you for the first

1510
01:38:38.199 --> 01:38:40.840
time ever in his career. Yeah, he didn't even do that with my

1511
01:38:40.920 --> 01:38:44.159
Goo. He tried to like keep
it quiet, you know, But honestly,

1512
01:38:44.239 --> 01:38:46.199
I love to see it out of
Hench because what other card can you

1513
01:38:46.279 --> 01:38:51.960
play right now? I hope obviously. Torklesen responds, I mean their home

1514
01:38:53.039 --> 01:38:55.640
run power is not there by any
means, but I think he leads a

1515
01:38:55.680 --> 01:38:59.399
league in doubles with eleven. Yeah, I mean one thing kind of positive,

1516
01:38:59.399 --> 01:39:03.079
but I mean, but it's literally
double or nothing. Saying double or

1517
01:39:03.119 --> 01:39:06.520
nothing is literally that with him.
I'm saying it right now. I don't

1518
01:39:06.520 --> 01:39:10.359
want to be like this cut and
dry about it, but if he doesn't

1519
01:39:10.399 --> 01:39:13.199
hit a homer in Cleveland, I
think we should send him down. Like

1520
01:39:13.800 --> 01:39:15.640
I think that's what it should be. Honestly, I know it's not everything.

1521
01:39:16.119 --> 01:39:19.159
And obviously, if he goes,
you know, seven for seven in

1522
01:39:19.199 --> 01:39:21.600
the series but doesn't hit a Homer, you're not gonna send him down.

1523
01:39:21.600 --> 01:39:26.159
But you need to see the pop. I'm there with you one hundred percent.

1524
01:39:26.279 --> 01:39:29.600
I think that he needs to get
sent down. I'm just waiting.

1525
01:39:29.840 --> 01:39:31.399
I love Hinch, I love Scott
Harris, but I'm just waiting for this

1526
01:39:31.520 --> 01:39:35.159
organization to be a great organization again
like it so has in the past.

1527
01:39:35.520 --> 01:39:40.159
This organization is a historic organization.
You were talking about it earlier with the

1528
01:39:40.159 --> 01:39:44.800
City connect Jerseys. We were,
we were in the shit in two thousand

1529
01:39:44.840 --> 01:39:47.399
and three, we were awful,
and then we climbed back to being a

1530
01:39:47.399 --> 01:39:50.800
great organization in the mid twenty tens
there. Yeah, and now we have

1531
01:39:50.840 --> 01:39:56.079
gone back to that mediocrity. And
it struggles to see teams like the Orioles

1532
01:39:56.079 --> 01:39:59.920
send Jackson Holiday down when he should
be sent down, and they're protecting their

1533
01:40:00.039 --> 01:40:03.279
young prospects, and they're doing what
great organizations do and protecting their young prospects

1534
01:40:03.319 --> 01:40:08.119
and getting them ready to actually play
in the major leagues and not necessarily rushing

1535
01:40:08.159 --> 01:40:11.640
them like, oh, we need
this bat like we need Torkos and we

1536
01:40:11.680 --> 01:40:14.119
need him to hit home runs.
Yeah, and it puts so much pressure

1537
01:40:14.159 --> 01:40:16.000
on him. And I think that
that's the same thing with Trey Turner last

1538
01:40:16.079 --> 01:40:19.479
year when he was really struggling.
So also maybe we need to rally around

1539
01:40:19.520 --> 01:40:23.880
tork as well when he comes back
back if we do send him down where

1540
01:40:23.880 --> 01:40:27.560
we show him that love and we
show him that appreciation, that we have

1541
01:40:27.640 --> 01:40:30.079
faith in him and we know that
he can contribute to this team and be

1542
01:40:30.119 --> 01:40:32.359
a big factor. It's just a
matter of can you get out of your

1543
01:40:32.399 --> 01:40:36.399
head, can you go back and
reset yourself and then come back and contribute

1544
01:40:36.399 --> 01:40:40.359
to this team like we need him
to and we do got to go to

1545
01:40:40.399 --> 01:40:44.119
break. But I'm just gonna read
this one comment from Andrew Jones. He

1546
01:40:44.159 --> 01:40:46.560
says there is no excuse to have
Meadows in the lineup right now, and

1547
01:40:46.600 --> 01:40:50.520
I agree, like Austin Medos,
he should not be. That is an

1548
01:40:50.680 --> 01:40:55.600
immediate out. He should not be
in this lineup, especially when you can't

1549
01:40:55.600 --> 01:40:58.239
score more than two runs a game. He's a big part of it.

1550
01:40:58.359 --> 01:41:02.199
Like if we had a guy in
metal spot who's hitting two hundred two hundred,

1551
01:41:02.680 --> 01:41:05.680
we would have probably three or four
more wins right now. But I

1552
01:41:05.720 --> 01:41:09.319
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1580
01:43:31.039 --> 01:43:34.000
We've got done talking to a little
tigers and honestly, that's all I

1581
01:43:34.000 --> 01:43:38.640
want to talk about the Tigers because
it's he kills me to talk about him.

1582
01:43:39.960 --> 01:43:42.319
Let's take care of business in the
division. Oh yeah, that's the

1583
01:43:42.479 --> 01:43:45.239
important thing. Yeah, getting a
win tonight would be huge, but something

1584
01:43:45.399 --> 01:43:50.840
positive. Cherry scooball leads the league
in strikeouts, whip and wins. Right

1585
01:43:50.920 --> 01:43:55.000
now now, Tarik Scooble is going
to be the All Star starter for the

1586
01:43:55.039 --> 01:43:59.520
American League. He's the betting favorite
right now for the Alcy Young. Riley

1587
01:43:59.520 --> 01:44:03.000
Green's proba going to be the starting
of starting outfielder for the American League All

1588
01:44:03.039 --> 01:44:06.119
Star team. It's awesome to see
a couple guys that are putting it together.

1589
01:44:06.159 --> 01:44:10.000
But yeah, when a third of
your lineup can't hit half of their

1590
01:44:10.000 --> 01:44:13.640
weight, you're not gonna win a
lot of games. Do you think Jason

1591
01:44:13.720 --> 01:44:15.479
Foley still gets a beat it?
I think he does. I don't know

1592
01:44:15.479 --> 01:44:18.359
why we're not fucking using him as
as a closer anymore. Yeah, that

1593
01:44:18.520 --> 01:44:21.880
was it's kind of missing me off. But does anyone know anything about that?

1594
01:44:21.960 --> 01:44:26.239
I saw that and I was so
confused. Yeah, it doesn't make

1595
01:44:26.239 --> 01:44:28.159
sense to me. I think when
you have a closer, you have a

1596
01:44:28.159 --> 01:44:31.439
closer. I understand Hinch is a
matchup guy. That's what he does,

1597
01:44:31.960 --> 01:44:35.279
whether it's the pitching or hitting,
he plays his matchups. But I think

1598
01:44:35.319 --> 01:44:40.079
fully is so electric as your closer, you just put him out in the

1599
01:44:40.159 --> 01:44:44.680
ninth fucked matchups. Yeah, here's
here's a ninety nine miles per hour sinker

1600
01:44:44.720 --> 01:44:46.399
that moves twelve inches. Try to
fucking hit it. You think that that

1601
01:44:47.039 --> 01:44:51.079
him not getting the ninth and getting
the ball as a consistent on a consistent

1602
01:44:51.119 --> 01:44:55.239
basis might be affecting his confidence.
I think so, Yeah, I do.

1603
01:44:55.720 --> 01:44:59.880
With bullpen pitchers are very fickle with
how they look at things. They're

1604
01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:02.680
their confidence, their routine and doing
different things like that. And I definitely

1605
01:45:02.720 --> 01:45:08.199
think that if you would just be
giving him the ninth every saved situation,

1606
01:45:08.279 --> 01:45:12.039
I think you would be doing spades
for him and for the team. Honestly.

1607
01:45:12.119 --> 01:45:15.880
Yeah. But I do have a
fun topic that we could talk about.

1608
01:45:15.960 --> 01:45:19.119
I put it out on Twitter the
other day when I was just thinking

1609
01:45:19.159 --> 01:45:21.640
about it. I was just chilling
there. I forget what I was watching,

1610
01:45:21.720 --> 01:45:24.840
but it made me think about guys
that are going to take a jump

1611
01:45:24.880 --> 01:45:28.039
for the Lions next year, and
so I want everybody to say one guy

1612
01:45:28.079 --> 01:45:30.159
they think is going to take the
biggest jump for the Lions next year.

1613
01:45:30.520 --> 01:45:35.399
I'll start and I think it's gonna
be Kirby Joseph because we saw, we

1614
01:45:35.439 --> 01:45:40.920
saw what Kirby Joseph can do.
Our guy, al shoutout football Guy L

1615
01:45:41.279 --> 01:45:45.359
tagged me in that in the last
thirty years, Kirby Joseph is top ten

1616
01:45:45.720 --> 01:45:49.399
in safeties when it comes to combined
past deflections and interceptions of his first two

1617
01:45:49.479 --> 01:45:53.880
years. This guy is an elite
playmaker in the back end, and I

1618
01:45:53.920 --> 01:45:57.600
think people forgot about that. I
see a lot of Kirby Joseph slander in

1619
01:45:57.680 --> 01:46:00.640
the chat, and I'm not here
for it. This guy is an elite

1620
01:46:00.640 --> 01:46:02.920
playmaker in the back end. He's
the only true free safety we have on

1621
01:46:02.920 --> 01:46:06.840
this roster, and last year I
think he kind of got tossed to the

1622
01:46:06.880 --> 01:46:12.479
Wolves trying to make up for other
guys. When you have Cam Sutton and

1623
01:46:12.560 --> 01:46:16.680
Kendall Vildore and Jerry Jacobs and other
guys like that getting burnt and missing their

1624
01:46:16.720 --> 01:46:19.960
assignments, it's on Kirby Joseph to
kind of make up for that, make

1625
01:46:20.039 --> 01:46:24.920
touchdown saving tackles. Rather than being
the elite playmaker that he is. Now

1626
01:46:25.000 --> 01:46:30.000
you add guys like Carlton Davis,
like Amik Robertson, like Terry On Arnold,

1627
01:46:30.000 --> 01:46:33.199
and it's Rakeshaw junior guys that are
sticky in man coverage, guys that

1628
01:46:33.239 --> 01:46:36.720
will stay with their wide receiver on
the routes, so he can just be

1629
01:46:38.239 --> 01:46:41.720
the free safety. See the ball, get the ball, attack the ball,

1630
01:46:41.880 --> 01:46:46.119
and come up with interceptions. I
think Kirby Joseph is I think he's

1631
01:46:46.119 --> 01:46:48.720
going to lead the league in interceptions
next year. I really do. I

1632
01:46:48.760 --> 01:46:53.920
think we saw he has the capability
and the potential to do it his first

1633
01:46:53.960 --> 01:46:57.439
year. Last year, the secondary
was a mess and our cornerbacks were getting

1634
01:46:57.439 --> 01:47:00.399
burnt and he was held out to
dry. I think Kirby Joseph the league

1635
01:47:00.439 --> 01:47:02.960
interceptions next year, and I think
he shows why he is an elite playmaker

1636
01:47:02.960 --> 01:47:05.399
in that back end. Kirby is
a good win man. But the question

1637
01:47:05.680 --> 01:47:10.319
is do you think he takes that
jump even if he doesn't start, because

1638
01:47:10.319 --> 01:47:13.520
that room is loaded. You got
Brian Branch If he mela fine, will

1639
01:47:13.720 --> 01:47:16.359
does Kirby even start? I think
Kirby Joseph is one of, if not

1640
01:47:16.800 --> 01:47:21.039
the most locked into their starting spot
in the secondary because he is the only

1641
01:47:21.159 --> 01:47:26.399
true center fielder we have out there. Like he's a ball. If he

1642
01:47:26.920 --> 01:47:30.800
Brian Branch, they're more strong safety
in the box playmaker. Kirby is a

1643
01:47:30.840 --> 01:47:35.800
center fielder, free safety, and
they love him on that like Aaron Glenn,

1644
01:47:35.880 --> 01:47:39.880
Dan Campbell, they all love him. I think Kirby Joseph is locked

1645
01:47:39.880 --> 01:47:42.520
into his position. Yeah, and
we've seen him do it. We have

1646
01:47:42.600 --> 01:47:45.560
seen him do it. For me, this one, I got one a

1647
01:47:45.560 --> 01:47:48.960
little bit better than you span and
is Jack Campbell. Jack Campbell, And

1648
01:47:49.079 --> 01:47:53.119
for everybody all to Jack Campbell haters
out there, y'all got to stop it.

1649
01:47:53.199 --> 01:47:56.560
Man. If we didn't have rookies
like Jamier Gibbs and Sam Laporter,

1650
01:47:56.680 --> 01:48:00.239
you would be looking at Jack Campbell's
rookie season a little bit differently. I

1651
01:48:00.359 --> 01:48:02.760
understand he got off to a little
bit of a slow start. He has

1652
01:48:02.800 --> 01:48:05.720
to get a little bit better in
coverage. But as far as like the

1653
01:48:05.760 --> 01:48:10.720
running game and hitting the gap sideline, the sideline, he is an absolute

1654
01:48:10.800 --> 01:48:14.239
animal man. He finished the year
with almost one hundred tackles. But when

1655
01:48:14.239 --> 01:48:18.359
you add into account that they've added
DJ Reader, Yes he is DJ Reader,

1656
01:48:18.439 --> 01:48:23.680
Aleen McNeil. They are gonna gonna
create so much pressure in that middle,

1657
01:48:23.840 --> 01:48:26.800
and it's gonna be like a field
day for Jack Campbell to get in

1658
01:48:26.840 --> 01:48:29.960
the backfield. You're gonna see a
lot more TFLs from him this year.

1659
01:48:30.159 --> 01:48:33.439
He will get to the quarterback more
and I expect a lot more tackles and

1660
01:48:33.680 --> 01:48:38.880
he you're looking at your mic of
the future. I know that they had

1661
01:48:39.000 --> 01:48:42.880
u Azeloni and he did play out
of his mind last year. He had

1662
01:48:42.880 --> 01:48:45.359
a he had a breakout year.
But eventually you're gonna have to turn the

1663
01:48:45.359 --> 01:48:48.439
reins over to Jack Campbell, and
I feel like he will take that step

1664
01:48:48.520 --> 01:48:54.600
up now that you have legitimate pressure
in the middle, and which will also

1665
01:48:54.640 --> 01:48:58.119
help improve aiden getting home and things
of that nature. So look for a

1666
01:48:58.239 --> 01:49:00.880
jump for Jack Campbell. Man love
it. I think Jack Campbell's gonna have

1667
01:49:00.920 --> 01:49:04.359
a hell of a year and he
was definitely my number two behind Kirby.

1668
01:49:04.760 --> 01:49:10.399
You look at what Kelvin Sheppard does
with these linebackers too. Every single linebacker

1669
01:49:10.600 --> 01:49:15.359
has had an immense improvement because of
Calvin Sheppard. So the guy who is

1670
01:49:15.479 --> 01:49:17.880
the most talented and highest rated prospect
in the group, I think will have

1671
01:49:18.000 --> 01:49:20.760
it. And like you said,
DJ, Reader, clogging those lanes,

1672
01:49:20.800 --> 01:49:25.279
filling those holes, taking on blocks
allows Jack Campbell to just see ball,

1673
01:49:25.359 --> 01:49:29.199
hit ball, meet the meet the
running back, and that's what he does

1674
01:49:29.199 --> 01:49:30.479
best. That's a good one,
Nick. Who do you thinks have the

1675
01:49:30.479 --> 01:49:36.399
biggest jump next year? Way Mo
Jam For all the reasons we hit on

1676
01:49:36.479 --> 01:49:41.199
earlier, I think he's gonna get
a lot more involved in this offense.

1677
01:49:41.239 --> 01:49:45.760
I think a reason why we lot
Josh Reynolds walk, honestly in free agency,

1678
01:49:45.880 --> 01:49:49.520
is because Jamo's ascend. He's gonna
do great. Honestly, I think

1679
01:49:49.560 --> 01:49:56.439
he's gonna put up twelve hundred yards
ten touchdowns. That's combined rushing and receiving.

1680
01:49:56.520 --> 01:49:59.239
And like I said, I want
to see him get way more active

1681
01:49:59.239 --> 01:50:01.760
when it comes to rush the football
as well on the outsides, because every

1682
01:50:01.800 --> 01:50:04.840
time he does that he scores a
touchdown, it seems. And I think

1683
01:50:04.880 --> 01:50:10.760
he's going to be a key reason
why this Detroit Lions offense remains elite,

1684
01:50:11.159 --> 01:50:15.199
and I think Jmo is sat up
for a massive season. Big facts.

1685
01:50:15.319 --> 01:50:19.199
Jusus see, you know I'll take
last puppy to the bull. You guys

1686
01:50:19.199 --> 01:50:23.560
took all three of mine, But
I was prepared for it. I was

1687
01:50:23.600 --> 01:50:28.000
prepared for it. It won't be
most improved because it's someone who is coming

1688
01:50:28.039 --> 01:50:30.840
to the team, but I think
someone who will step up their game because

1689
01:50:30.880 --> 01:50:32.760
of how good our defense is and
how many this por pieces arend him,

1690
01:50:32.760 --> 01:50:36.880
and it's Carlton Davis. I think
that he will be get replaced in the

1691
01:50:36.880 --> 01:50:41.000
Pro Bowl because we'll be in the
Super Bowl. But I could definitely see

1692
01:50:41.000 --> 01:50:44.560
a Pro Bowl caliber season from Carlton. He showed out in their Super Bowl

1693
01:50:44.920 --> 01:50:47.279
year when they won it in twenty
nineteen. I believe yeah, he was

1694
01:50:47.319 --> 01:50:51.000
an integral part and locking down that
defense. Him and Antonio Winfield made that

1695
01:50:51.039 --> 01:50:57.279
secondary completely unpassable. And I think
that he could have a rejuvenation in Detroit

1696
01:50:57.319 --> 01:51:00.680
with how much how loaded our secondary
is, especially with the addition of DJ

1697
01:51:00.760 --> 01:51:05.279
Reader. I think Alee McNeil will
also his production will go up because of

1698
01:51:05.319 --> 01:51:10.079
how many opportunities he will have where
he's not the focal point, he's the

1699
01:51:10.079 --> 01:51:14.479
third passers options. Same with James
Houston. They're going those two guys are

1700
01:51:14.479 --> 01:51:16.720
going to benefit so much from the
DJ Reader signing. And that's a good

1701
01:51:16.720 --> 01:51:19.640
point, man, because Carlton Davis
is somebody a lot of people just look

1702
01:51:19.720 --> 01:51:24.520
at the last year he had and
I understand it wasn't good. He has

1703
01:51:24.560 --> 01:51:28.239
battled some injury issues, but before
that, this guy, he's done it

1704
01:51:28.279 --> 01:51:30.319
on the biggest stage. He's been
to a super Bowl and at one point

1705
01:51:30.399 --> 01:51:32.920
you can say he was a top
ten corner in this league. And he

1706
01:51:33.000 --> 01:51:38.399
fits this aging man scheme so well. I just feel like he will take

1707
01:51:38.880 --> 01:51:41.920
a very big step up this year. I like that Carlton Davis pick right

1708
01:51:41.960 --> 01:51:45.880
there, Chris. How did y'all
leave the biggest cheat coade on the board

1709
01:51:45.840 --> 01:51:48.640
a lad from Madrid? You know
what I mean? Come on, man,

1710
01:51:48.640 --> 01:51:53.840
With the additions of DJ Crell Williams, the addition to the defensive line

1711
01:51:53.880 --> 01:51:57.800
coach as well as as well as
like you guys talked about Carlton Davis and

1712
01:51:57.880 --> 01:52:00.159
make a much improved secondary. That's
going to make you hold onto that ball

1713
01:52:00.279 --> 01:52:04.000
just a little longer. If you
think about last year, it was really

1714
01:52:04.079 --> 01:52:10.479
only Aleen that was providing any type
of quarterback pressure other than Hutch and then

1715
01:52:10.520 --> 01:52:15.439
the occasional Angeloni blitz or if he
blitz or Brian Branch Branch blitz. But

1716
01:52:15.520 --> 01:52:19.319
as far as the defensive line goes, Alien was the only guy in the

1717
01:52:19.359 --> 01:52:25.039
addition of in the addition of Reader
and another season because last season he made

1718
01:52:25.039 --> 01:52:29.159
that adjustment to his body to get
to be able to be more of a

1719
01:52:29.199 --> 01:52:32.680
pass rushing a pass rushing big.
So I think I think he's the one

1720
01:52:32.680 --> 01:52:36.720
who just you know, is the
home run and I'm surprised Spencer you left

1721
01:52:36.760 --> 01:52:40.520
him on the board for me.
I think we do got to go to

1722
01:52:40.560 --> 01:52:43.800
break real fest. But I think
a guy that is it's kind of a

1723
01:52:43.800 --> 01:52:46.039
cop out, and he's not a
player, but Aaron Glenn, Like,

1724
01:52:46.159 --> 01:52:49.880
I think Aaron Glenn with the pieces
that he has now he's got his guys

1725
01:52:49.920 --> 01:52:55.600
in place, He's got potential for
a top ten player at every level of

1726
01:52:55.640 --> 01:52:59.319
the defense. So I think Aaron
Glenn, I think that defense as a

1727
01:52:59.319 --> 01:53:02.840
hole, we're gonna be a vast
improvement from a right nick, especially with

1728
01:53:03.039 --> 01:53:11.159
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Make sure you smashed that light button in

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01:55:27.840 --> 01:55:31.359
KG last four minutes. What do
you want to talk about the most Drake

1762
01:55:31.399 --> 01:55:36.079
Got White? Worst Drake song I
ever heard in my life? Man,

1763
01:55:36.159 --> 01:55:40.600
seriously, bro I didn't think it
was that, but listen, I've been

1764
01:55:40.600 --> 01:55:44.039
listening to Drake since the mixtape days
better part of fifteen years. That was

1765
01:55:44.079 --> 01:55:46.880
the absolute worst, the last one, Yes, the hard part six.

1766
01:55:47.079 --> 01:55:51.319
I feel like I feel like it
wasn't the worst because it was bad.

1767
01:55:53.079 --> 01:55:56.399
It was bad, but like from
a technical rhyme scheme, it was like

1768
01:55:56.520 --> 01:55:59.399
it was like, don't like he
was rhyming nice. It was I but

1769
01:55:59.479 --> 01:56:01.720
he messed it. It started off
good, but the more he got into

1770
01:56:01.760 --> 01:56:05.279
the song, the more he starts
trying to defend itself, and then it

1771
01:56:05.439 --> 01:56:09.520
just it came off the rails man. That little outro talk at the end

1772
01:56:09.760 --> 01:56:13.520
was kind of like he got it
out. He said he didn't want to

1773
01:56:13.520 --> 01:56:15.840
battle no more. If you don't
want to battle no more, fine,

1774
01:56:15.960 --> 01:56:18.279
just just don't battle. Don't get
on a dish track saying that, and

1775
01:56:18.319 --> 01:56:24.640
then he you can tell he's lying, and you can tell he literally had

1776
01:56:24.680 --> 01:56:28.960
a bar in there where he said, whoever Kendrick is getting his information from,

1777
01:56:29.000 --> 01:56:31.159
they are clowns. And then two
bars later you're saying, you feed

1778
01:56:31.279 --> 01:56:38.000
him the information, so what like
that, Just like he had some slick

1779
01:56:38.039 --> 01:56:41.319
bars, like the like the way
he flipped a minor bar like he had

1780
01:56:41.319 --> 01:56:45.199
some bars and okay, like technically
it was nice, but because of how

1781
01:56:45.359 --> 01:56:48.279
things wet, you just are handling
it the wrong way. My question is

1782
01:56:49.760 --> 01:56:54.319
if I Kendrick the most, the
most pissed off thing I am about this

1783
01:56:54.439 --> 01:56:58.039
is now, can I do the
Heart Part six? Yes? Yeah,

1784
01:56:58.079 --> 01:57:00.159
oh for sure? He does the
Heart Part sixtion and it's Drake's Yeah,

1785
01:57:00.359 --> 01:57:03.119
I mean that that don't even count. Man, if Drake was gonna call

1786
01:57:03.159 --> 01:57:06.239
it the Heart Part six, I
expected so much more, so much better,

1787
01:57:06.479 --> 01:57:09.840
so much more. I agree,
I agree. I think I think

1788
01:57:09.920 --> 01:57:13.239
Kendrick should just drop a disc right
now. That's called He's going to like

1789
01:57:13.279 --> 01:57:15.720
the exactly one. I think he's
gonna drop the other one. The rumor

1790
01:57:15.800 --> 01:57:17.319
is somebody else is going to be
on it, though it won't just be

1791
01:57:17.439 --> 01:57:24.840
Kendrick. I hope it's pushing what
about him and Ross though Ross fire Man,

1792
01:57:25.880 --> 01:57:28.760
I don't want no features on it. I want Kendrick. Drake's already

1793
01:57:28.840 --> 01:57:32.520
hiding behind this twenty v one narrative, which I think was just because Drake

1794
01:57:33.000 --> 01:57:39.000
d that was another problem addressed the
person in front of you. Yes,

1795
01:57:39.119 --> 01:57:42.720
I understand that he didn't have he
ain't have enough M. That's why he

1796
01:57:42.800 --> 01:57:46.199
kept bro get into a battle.
You ain't taking shots at a producer who

1797
01:57:46.239 --> 01:57:49.680
don't rap. Yeah, for both
of your disc tracks, Like come on,

1798
01:57:49.720 --> 01:57:53.000
Bro, that tells me you don't
got M. You don't got M

1799
01:57:53.159 --> 01:57:56.880
on Kendrick the first song this and
everybody was cool, but after that,

1800
01:57:57.560 --> 01:58:01.199
Kendrick is the only one dropping like
songs about you. You need to focus

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01:58:01.439 --> 01:58:03.840
solely on him, and he didn't
do that. Man, Like Drake let

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01:58:03.920 --> 01:58:06.239
me down. Man. I'm a
big Drake fan, but I'm also a

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01:58:06.319 --> 01:58:10.439
Kendrick fan as well, and Drake
was out of his depth. I do

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01:58:10.520 --> 01:58:14.359
respect Drake because he always like steps
out there regardless of what happens. But

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01:58:14.600 --> 01:58:16.319
he's one and two in battles now. Man. He lost the push.

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01:58:17.399 --> 01:58:20.560
He lost to Kendrick Man. And
yes, we're still gonna bang the bops.

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01:58:20.640 --> 01:58:23.479
It's still Drake at the end of
the day. It's not gonna hurt

1808
01:58:23.520 --> 01:58:26.960
him in the in the grants game. But the real hip hop is we

1809
01:58:27.039 --> 01:58:30.079
already he already had that kind of
stigma about him, but now it's like

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01:58:30.119 --> 01:58:32.399
official. Like now it's like if
you look at him, like he never

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01:58:32.439 --> 01:58:36.439
beat like a true MC so like
the elite to the elites, like they

1812
01:58:36.479 --> 01:58:41.239
look at him with a different because
the two mcs he tried, he got

1813
01:58:41.279 --> 01:58:44.800
cooked, and he got cooked back
at and then you let Kendrick beat you

1814
01:58:44.840 --> 01:58:46.680
at your own game. He backed
to back you, which was your strategy,

1815
01:58:46.720 --> 01:58:49.079
and he hit you with a club
by. When I heard the mustard

1816
01:58:49.159 --> 01:58:51.359
drop, I didn't need to hear
nothing else. I already knew it was

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01:58:51.359 --> 01:58:57.279
on. But that is one of
the best dish tracks of this generation.

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01:58:57.520 --> 01:59:00.680
Like that's up there with I Fucked
your bitch, You fat mf know that

1819
01:59:00.680 --> 01:59:04.680
that's up there with that. Yeah, all right, but that'll do it

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01:59:04.720 --> 01:59:08.119
for us. Can I say one
thing before you wrap up? Let's hear

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I have to deal with some controversy
because justin Fan and the away fan are

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01:59:11.199 --> 01:59:14.319
in the chat and earlier they are
giving me ship. This is not a

1823
01:59:14.399 --> 01:59:17.920
Jamie Ben jersey. This is a
Tyler Sagan jersey. Jamie Ben is a

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01:59:18.279 --> 01:59:23.119
is a cheap fuck. I agree, but I do think Dallas is gonna

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01:59:23.119 --> 01:59:25.800
win the Cup and the Panthers are
winning tonight. The away fan, I'll

1826
01:59:25.800 --> 01:59:28.680
answer your mailbag question for you.
I think the Panthers are winning tonight too,

1827
01:59:28.760 --> 01:59:30.399
but that'll do it for us today. Appreciate you all tapping in to

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01:59:30.520 --> 01:59:35.079
the Worldward Heavyweights again. Shout out
to KG for his studio Dusk shot Man.

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Absolutely killed it. Nick, you're
all right, Chris, good job,

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Chree Jesus, I'm Spencer Astor.
We're the Heavyweights. I'm back tomorrow. Peace.