WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.639 This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jay Gonzalez on Fox Sports 2 00:00:05.679 --> 00:00:11.199 fourteen fifteen. Subscribe now to the podcast on the iHeart Radio Ahip just surgeony 3 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:15.439 I on the Ball. Hey, welcome back to on the Ball here Fox 4 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:19.480 Sports fourteen fifty MTE. He's Jay and we're gonna try to bring you some 5 00:00:19.519 --> 00:00:28.760 breaking news. We really are. That's what we're gonna do. Have a 6 00:00:28.800 --> 00:00:34.600 good time. This is I on the Ball, breaking news on Fox Sports 7 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:38.960 fourteen fifteen. We have a good time. That was proposed that kind of 8 00:00:38.960 --> 00:00:43.359 funny. Okay, Um all right, lots of stuff. Well let's start 9 00:00:43.399 --> 00:00:46.960 with let's start with this, um uh, because we've been we've been kind 10 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:52.320 of keeping eye on that. The Kylin Boswell and Philip or Vichen playing the 11 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:58.159 Under nineteen World Cup both UH both of their teen's Boswell with the US, 12 00:00:58.520 --> 00:01:03.120 UH Philippe with Serbia. They both went three and ozer in their group play, 13 00:01:03.239 --> 00:01:07.920 so they both both teams advanced through the round of sixteen. Um Serbia 14 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:14.040 plays UH like no. US plays China at six o'clock in the morning tomorrow 15 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:18.840 and Serbia plays Korea at ten thirty in the morning our time tomorrow. So 16 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:23.280 both guys doing well, obviously having a great experience. They're in Hungary. 17 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:26.120 So, um, who's the coach of the American team? You know, 18 00:01:26.439 --> 00:01:33.000 I don't know because he's he's playing like eleven twelve minutes. Yeah, he's 19 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:34.840 not playing a whole lot of minutes. Yeah, but he's playing key minutes. 20 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:38.840 Yeah, I don't I couldn't tell. I couldn't begin to tell you. 21 00:01:38.079 --> 00:01:42.640 Um, whose coaches? And the story doesn't say who it is. 22 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:45.760 But anyways, both whom done well? You know? And UH and and 23 00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:49.319 Boswell not playing he clearly not starting right, he's getting eleven twelve minutes a 24 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:53.959 game whatever, but he's been very crucial. Yeah, no matter what, 25 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:57.200 it's gonna be a great experience for him. Well, without question, without 26 00:01:57.280 --> 00:02:00.519 question. All right, Um, okay, everybody's on on edge with the 27 00:02:00.599 --> 00:02:07.480 waiting for the announcement from Elijah rushing, the UH, the defensive alignment from 28 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:12.159 UH from South Point, who has said that he's going to announce his commitment 29 00:02:12.520 --> 00:02:16.280 on July the sixth, that choices, do you have his choices? They 30 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:21.879 say he's trending towards Oregon, and he has Oregon Arizona, but he's got 31 00:02:21.879 --> 00:02:25.319 Oregon Arizona, Tennessee and Notre Dame, all these you know, all these 32 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:30.520 schools that are that have made offers. I think it's finalists according to this 33 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:34.319 or Notre Dame, Tennessee, Arizona, and Oregon. The one thing that 34 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:38.159 there's a difference between it was how it was five six years ago is that 35 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:42.719 um Arizona was in on them right before. They weren't even they weren't in. 36 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:45.400 They weren't even in. I mean they were there were a pimple on 37 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:49.240 someone's butt. Yeah, because they didn't pay attention to getting a sniff from 38 00:02:49.319 --> 00:02:53.280 him, which is much more bigger deal than than I think people realize that 39 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:58.400 he's uh you know that he's considering that he's even got Arizona on the list. 40 00:02:59.080 --> 00:03:01.120 That's headway no matter what. But uh, you know, he's he's 41 00:03:01.159 --> 00:03:06.000 clearly got uh you know, he's got he's got everybody's attention. And so 42 00:03:06.039 --> 00:03:10.479 we'll find out next week what what he's going to do. Um. Okay, 43 00:03:10.520 --> 00:03:15.159 big news coming out of the NC double A. So did you see 44 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:20.800 this? Um? The NC double A has told schools that they have to 45 00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:28.159 follow NC double A rules even if those rules conflict with the various state laws 46 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:34.639 that are in place, that a number of states have different different laws regarding 47 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:44.080 nil uh. And that that also that your school's foundation cannot be providing nil 48 00:03:44.319 --> 00:03:50.560 money. So you know, like the like uh the UA foundation, that 49 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:53.879 type of stuff cannot be provided in our money. But the key thing is 50 00:03:53.879 --> 00:04:00.159 that you saying, violate state laws if you want to comply with our rule. 51 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:03.199 And basically all the states have come around saying if they violated the state 52 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:05.960 law, they're in troubble, you know. And so you know who's in 53 00:04:06.039 --> 00:04:10.960 charge, Well, historically the government's in charge when it comes to that. 54 00:04:11.319 --> 00:04:14.199 So we'll see, we'll see what happens. But that's that's kind of a 55 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:15.839 messy thing. Now. It's like seeing he's just gotten so far out of 56 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:19.759 hand. Yeah, it's not even it's such a mess across the boarding, 57 00:04:19.920 --> 00:04:24.759 right right, No, and that's a shock, right No, of course 58 00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:30.879 it's okay, um, hey, just uh just off the off the transaction 59 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:38.000 wire. Khalil Tate signed by the Edmonton Elks and the CFL. He originally 60 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:41.519 he signed with him at the beginning of last year, got cut after the 61 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:45.800 second preseason game, ended up with the Toronto Argonauts. He's now been signed 62 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:49.720 back with Edmonton. Good for him. So he must be about twenty six 63 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:56.000 ish, Um, twenty six ish. I mean twenty eighteen was his last 64 00:04:56.079 --> 00:04:59.920 year, right, five years? Yeah, about twenty twenty seven, twenty 65 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:04.759 six still young enough. I'm fast enough obviously. Uh and and probably probably 66 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:10.319 given from his tweets and all that stuff, that he's been humbled a bit. 67 00:05:10.759 --> 00:05:13.519 I love it. Which was? Which which was? Would have been 68 00:05:13.519 --> 00:05:16.439 crucial here when he was on Sid's cover and all that stuff. So many 69 00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:21.360 of those games from from twenty seventeen keep popping up on Yeah, impact up, 70 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:27.120 mister October seven yard game, and you just watch those again, you 71 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:30.120 shake your head. I think I tweeted out and somebody put a highlight of 72 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:33.839 him. I saw that and I said, you know, just pisses you 73 00:05:33.879 --> 00:05:40.040 off that Arizona had that here and did nothing with it, right, did 74 00:05:40.199 --> 00:05:42.759 zero? And he and he was you know, I remember that one game 75 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:46.319 in the first game and he threw like thirty five times whatever was even asked 76 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:47.120 him, is that right for you to be doing this? Says, well, 77 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:50.439 that's what quarterbacks do. That's not what you do. Yeah, right 78 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:55.839 exactly, So okay, um, Aaron Judge, man, he they're starting 79 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:58.800 to say he might be out for the year for the little got a torn 80 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:01.519 ligament in his tone. Look, you know you've heard it. I mean 81 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:04.959 athletes. They tell him the most important thing you can do is take care 82 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:10.240 of your feet because you put such a stress on them. And he's got 83 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:13.480 a torn ligament and a toe, I think in a big toe, which 84 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:15.560 would make it hard for him to hit ron do anything with them. I 85 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:19.519 don't think you don't think about how much you use it until, of course, 86 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:24.720 come on, getting out of bed every day is did you watch the 87 00:06:24.759 --> 00:06:31.120 Speaking of Feet? Did you watch The Wall and Stuff? Yet? Watch 88 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:35.639 it? I had to finished Ted Lasso? Did you watch it? I 89 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:41.879 should? But it was very cool. I'm glad. I a friend of 90 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:46.920 ours, a friend of ours actually sent us an Apple TV box and with 91 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:50.920 a subscription. It's just say, I'm giving you this so that you will 92 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:55.680 watch ted Lasso. And we did start watching it. We got hooked on 93 00:06:55.720 --> 00:07:00.399 it and it ended, and so we've been finally a little jed in him. 94 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:02.480 Yeah a little bit, yeah, a little bit. Yeah, it's 95 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:05.279 pretty cool. Could you matter? Yeah? It was? It was. 96 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:10.639 It was great dead all right? Um, okay, who is generating? 97 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:14.759 Who do you think is generate, at least in Caesar sports book, the 98 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:24.160 most bets five percent to win the Pac twelve Conference Championship. He was Utah 99 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:30.079 football. Yep, who in the right said? Is that a true question? 100 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:35.680 Forty three percent are picking of the bets to win the PAC twelve Conference 101 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:41.399 Championship. Oh, don't tell me. That's dead money. That's dead money. 102 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:43.519 You know what dead money is. Yeah, you're giving it away. 103 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:47.480 They're giving it away their plus five thousand. Oh mind the money. Forty 104 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:50.199 three percent of best No, they didn't say forty three percent of money, 105 00:07:50.199 --> 00:07:55.199 but they said forty three percent of bets are on collar. Oh god, 106 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:59.680 I guess the Dean Sanders had a surgery. He's doing well. He didn't, 107 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:07.839 he didn't bets to win the Pac twe that's free money. Whoever's taking 108 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:13.519 that much are are on Toronto? All right, big game, bower time. 109 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:18.480 I saw a thing today yesterday, the top fifty best rivalry names in 110 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:24.879 college football. Rivalry names, the names of rivals. You're never gonna get 111 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:26.040 the first one, the second one maybe, but no, no, I 112 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:30.759 won't even But where do you think duel in the desert falls? They did 113 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:35.039 the top fifty fifth top. Did the top twenty No, dude, than 114 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:41.759 I want to thirty twenty six? Okay, twenty six. Um the Moonshine 115 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:46.639 throw Down between Marshall and Western Kentucky. He named his number one, which 116 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:52.080 I've never even heard of. That the Moonshine Moonshine throw Down Oklahoma, Texas 117 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:56.759 Red River Shootout second. Okay, the Egg Bowl is third, Backyard Brawl 118 00:08:56.919 --> 00:09:03.240 is fourth. I like I like the well he calls it the outdoor cocktail 119 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:07.639 party. I think it's really the world's biggest cocktail party. The Georgia Florida 120 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:11.960 game that they play in in uh Jacksonville every year. I love this one. 121 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:18.200 One hundred miles of eight. That's Middle Tennessee in Western Kentucky. The 122 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:22.159 Holy War Yu in Utah, which always it's at the Iron Ball Alabama Auburn. 123 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:28.039 That's number nine. Um. The Apple Cup is eleven. Washington, 124 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:31.159 Washington State. And this is just names. Yeah, these are names of 125 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:33.559 the ball, names of the of the of the rivalry game, you know, 126 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:39.840 the Border War Kansas and Missouri. Um. Uh, let's see, 127 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:43.600 I've never even heard of. The Rocky Mountain Showdown Colorado, Colorado State. 128 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:50.840 Uh. Deeper than Hate is Appalachian State, Georgia Southern Game, so a 129 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:52.600 bunch of stuff like that. But anyway, they're duel in the Desert comes 130 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:58.399 in twenty sixth place, according to our friend Bika. Okay, I just 131 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:01.799 sent you a on text. If you want to take a tuck real quick 132 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:05.440 about that. This will fall into the line of your blue blood and my 133 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:11.759 blue blood definition. This is from college basketball, college basketball, one of 134 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:13.480 these. Let me see, I think I sent it. Oh you know 135 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:16.840 what, I just got a tweet from somebody I know very well. We 136 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:22.120 said that Tad Boyle is the head coach of TUSA. Okay, Oh, 137 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:26.440 well, well, thank you, thank you. At least now we now 138 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:31.399 we know. And then how the connection, Well that's kind of how I 139 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:35.360 wanted to know. Why he's not getting a lot of time. Oh, 140 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:39.320 I saw this one. You saw this one, so Arizona's I don't think 141 00:10:39.399 --> 00:10:43.759 this is This is my conversation for you, because it's it's you have your 142 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:48.480 blue bloods, Ucla, you Kentucky. Who's that third one? The third 143 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:54.519 one? Duke and Kansas your blue bloods? Easy? Easy. The next 144 00:10:54.519 --> 00:10:58.440 group is first ballot Hall of Famer, right, Chigaan and then Indiana. 145 00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:01.360 So they can kind of sneak in there a little over time and then the 146 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:03.960 rest kind of fall into place. And this is just the number of national 147 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:11.000 titles each team has championship appearance in basket appearance, and these are the first 148 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:15.159 five are the ones with ten or more. The next or sixteen or six 149 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:20.720 title appearances with Michigan and Indiana, four appearances, Ohio State, Villanova, 150 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:24.879 uh Yukon and George Tarns, so you know what I'm saying. And then 151 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:28.639 two appearances. That's a bunch of them with the AZA. So this is 152 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:31.759 kind of what I was talking about, just for perspective, I know. 153 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:35.120 But but okay, but you look at who are some of those teams were 154 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:41.919 in the two title appearances. Nobody out there thinks that uh Utah is on 155 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:46.000 the same level as Arizona as a basketball program or some of those. I 156 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:50.320 think Boston College is one of those because they're all time, all time. 157 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:54.320 Those are all time, right or cal You know, you know, when 158 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:56.639 it comes to again, when you talk about Arizona as a basketball program, 159 00:11:56.679 --> 00:12:00.919 you talk about them among some of those others right up there at the top 160 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:03.919 of that. Even though they've only got two championship game appearances. Because the 161 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:07.919 other thing you have to remember is averyone who wasn't good in basketball until the 162 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:11.799 mid eight right, right, right right, there were there were Bob Elliot 163 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:15.279 We with apologies to you, seventies were pretty good, pretty good, but 164 00:12:15.320 --> 00:12:20.440 yeah, but I didn't make it. They didn't have a national profile until 165 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:24.480 after the eight very very true, very true. Right, Okay, I've 166 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:28.600 breaking something breaking real quick. Our girl, our girl d made her first 167 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:33.600 appearance on FANDUE TV over the weekend. I was speaking to her yesterday. 168 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:35.279 He happen to do more of it, but she was on TV. You 169 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:37.639 know, if she's gonna do well, yeah, yeah, she's still a 170 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:41.600 child, Yeah yeah, she knows about horses and stuff, you're going to 171 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:46.159 do well. So she was going to see her on NBC doing the Kentucky 172 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:50.200 Derby, you know, wearing the goofy had, right yeah, and knowing 173 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:52.360 when she's talking about what she's talking about, right and being and being an 174 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:58.600 expert good on her mansion. We gave her her start step right, Um, 175 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:01.399 Okay, I found that stat that you were looking for. J Johnson's 176 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:05.399 coaching career twenty fourteen, first year with Nevada twenty fifteen, Mount West champs 177 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:09.320 twenty sixteen, he's at Arizona right when it goes to the College World Series 178 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:15.200 championship game. When he's here five years, when's the Pack twelve champion championship, 179 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:18.440 goes to the College World Series. Then he goes to LSU. One 180 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:24.159 year, second year, he's a national champion. I meant, handed, 181 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:26.639 that's boom boom, boom. You gotta handed. That doesn't, like you 182 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:30.440 said, doesn't happen by accident. You don't fall into success. The key 183 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:33.360 has and and you know, like and as Love was saying, that guy 184 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:37.759 lives breathes, you know, college baseball, right, And if you got 185 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:41.720 a guy like that and you could get him to do that in a way 186 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:46.200 that's constructive and makes a program better as opposed to doing it in a way 187 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:48.440 that drags everybody. Well, no, no, no, you're exactly on 188 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:50.559 the money you don't want because I was just gonna say, Sean Miller, 189 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:54.519 the guy is twenty four seven basketball, right and Arizona. I think he's 190 00:13:54.559 --> 00:14:00.200 changed a little zebra, but twenty four seven almost to obsession, right, 191 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:03.519 And he admitted that, he admitted that now he's kind of loosened his ways, 192 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:07.360 right, And you have to find that really mean the ground, here's 193 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:09.320 your strike zone and he found it. Yeah, but you have to be 194 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:13.080 obsessed, but not crazy, but not nuts. You can't. You can't 195 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:16.360 be nuts for nothing else matters, because you have to have other things. 196 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:20.080 You have to have a you know, personal life and and all that stuff. 197 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:22.639 And I don't know what J. Johnson's personal life is like, but 198 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:26.519 you know you have to you know, there has there has to be some 199 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:30.960 balance, I guess is what we're saying. But you know, if some 200 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:33.639 guy's gonna do that in baseball, you're gonna win. You're gonna win some 201 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:37.200 games. And he's doing at a place where it's you know, everything's in 202 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:41.039 place for him to do what he's doing. And he's won an ass A 203 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:45.240 championship. So congratulations J. Johnson, and bring on the nasty comments for 204 00:14:45.399 --> 00:14:46.600 us. 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I'm Steve Jakins. 246 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:11.480 Also now on the phone, we have Josh Pastner, former you of 247 00:18:11.559 --> 00:18:15.279 a basketball player, former basketball coach atage level. Josh, how are you? 248 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:19.440 I'm doing well, just as thanks for having me on, Just like 249 00:18:19.519 --> 00:18:23.920 everybody else, trying to h stay stay cool the best you can this summer. 250 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:26.359 I know, as we were talking, just the second theyre off air 251 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:30.519 that two Sons about one hundred and ten Atlanta right now, I'm in Atlanta. 252 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:34.119 Uh, it's you know about ninety two today, ninety three, you 253 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:38.079 know, Yes, year at ninety four and it's you know, but any 254 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:42.359 it's hot, hot all over the country right now, and everyone's got to 255 00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:45.640 make sure you hydrate and try to stay in cool places the best you can. 256 00:18:47.079 --> 00:18:49.279 Right So, Josh, you know, there's so much going on in 257 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:55.680 college sports right now. We're you know, nil and the all the uh 258 00:18:56.359 --> 00:19:00.839 the rule stanton stuff you got you got NC double A coming out today and 259 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:06.799 telling telling schools you need to break your state law by following. You know, 260 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:10.440 if your state law is in is in conflict with our rules, you 261 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:14.920 got to violate state law as relation and all that stuff. There's so much 262 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:18.160 of this stuff that just didn't used to be part of coaching. I mean, 263 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:22.920 how awful is that for these coaches right now? Well, first of 264 00:19:22.920 --> 00:19:26.400 all, let me just say this with in regards to the NIL and US 265 00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:29.720 three have talked about this in the past, and I said it last time 266 00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:33.279 on your show when I was on, I said, NIL is just a 267 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:40.599 is a cover. It's paid for play is at least in in for the 268 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:44.920 main sports of right you know, where where people are just you know, 269 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:52.799 are are just paying to to get recruits and um and and so that's really 270 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:56.559 what it's become. Unfortunately, and again as we discussed it, that wasn't 271 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:00.319 the intent of the NIL you know, it was supposed to be being able 272 00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:04.799 to profit off your name, image likeness, not getting huge money for recruiting 273 00:20:04.839 --> 00:20:07.720 to go to a certain to go to a certain to go to a certain 274 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:12.079 institution. And that's what has kind of become. And and it's not going 275 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:18.799 to two things. One, it won't get kind of um um you know, 276 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:26.519 on a on on a level level playing field or within the um guidelines 277 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:30.400 of stuff until probably there's federal legislation. And as you guys know, that 278 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:33.720 could be never you know, I mean, I mean, there's a lot 279 00:20:33.799 --> 00:20:37.440 of things for Congress and send it to be dealing with. I don't you 280 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:41.559 know, I don't this is not something that's that I assume that's on their 281 00:20:41.599 --> 00:20:45.440 priority list. And um Otherwise, the NC two A is always going to 282 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:51.279 be in a fear based as of right now, of possibly getting sued that 283 00:20:51.440 --> 00:20:59.039 if you try to um you know, uh come down on somebody because of 284 00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:03.079 because of the I L deal. And then secondly, as it has come 285 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:06.680 out today, as you talked about the memo that went to all the different 286 00:21:06.759 --> 00:21:11.240 schools, you know about the rules and what's allowed not allowed. But the 287 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:15.160 question is you can say that, but can you enforce it, because if 288 00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:19.759 people are breaking the rules of based on what the NC two A says with 289 00:21:21.400 --> 00:21:26.920 how you can you know, technically make money and there are no enforcement of 290 00:21:27.039 --> 00:21:33.200 it because they're afraid of possibly getting sued and everything else. And it becomes 291 00:21:33.319 --> 00:21:36.599 where, you know, you can kind of just continue to do what you 292 00:21:36.680 --> 00:21:41.359 want. So I know the new president, President Baker of the ncable A 293 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:45.079 is trying and he was a former governor of the state of Massachusetts, is 294 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:49.799 trying to get federal legislation that way would stop the lawsuits. But you know, 295 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:52.920 as guys, as we discussed, I mean, not to beat a 296 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:55.119 dead horse to it, but you know, I mean, look, I 297 00:21:55.160 --> 00:22:00.119 mean it's it's you know, the name im his likeness was really for or 298 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:06.599 to be able to profit off of a great idea that you had of a 299 00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:10.960 name, of a of an image, or you you had you did something 300 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:15.960 of a likeness. It's it's really the intent had nothing to do is to 301 00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:21.359 recruit to come to your school or to retain the pliker based on money. 302 00:22:21.799 --> 00:22:26.279 That war is more like a salary cap and a salary structure, and that's 303 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:29.960 kind of what it is that especially for the retainment of guys as well too. 304 00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:33.519 So I don't want to change the somebect but I am going to. 305 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:37.799 But so you're forty five ish. I think met you when you're about eighteen, 306 00:22:38.440 --> 00:22:42.039 those letters to loot. What are you doing for the first summer in 307 00:22:42.119 --> 00:22:48.279 your life not having basketball in your life? Yeah, you know what, 308 00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:49.400 it's interesting you said that, Steve. I mean, you're right. I 309 00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:52.200 mean, you and I've known each other a very long time, and and 310 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:56.640 this is really the first time. I mean I've been hard charging for a 311 00:22:56.720 --> 00:23:02.559 long time, getting after it and and and then also you know, being 312 00:23:02.599 --> 00:23:04.359 a head coach for a long time, and you guys know I mean I 313 00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:08.720 I mean I literally lived every possession. It was like life and death. 314 00:23:08.799 --> 00:23:12.079 Heck, I lived it as a player at Arizona as an assistant coach. 315 00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:15.680 I mean a whole life spend it like that. And so, UM, 316 00:23:17.079 --> 00:23:21.200 I really have tried to Um, I've spent a lot of time with my 317 00:23:21.319 --> 00:23:25.279 family. I've tried to get healthy. You know, I needed to change. 318 00:23:25.720 --> 00:23:29.759 But I was, when I say unhealthy, like I was just I 319 00:23:29.920 --> 00:23:33.839 was unhealthy with probably how I was eating and sleeping. Um, the stress 320 00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:38.960 that I that I put on myself. And when you go to a doctor 321 00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:41.920 and get checked up and they're saying, hey, you need to be better 322 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:44.799 in this, this, this, this, this, this, this, 323 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:48.920 this, this, this this otherwise, you know it's not going to be 324 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:52.880 good for you. So I've been able to change and this time has allowed 325 00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:56.000 me to do that. That being said, I I want to get back 326 00:23:56.039 --> 00:24:00.079 into coaching, um, and I want to do that, and I'm the 327 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:03.839 next spring that opportunity will allow it. And when that happened, I think 328 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:07.599 I'll be a better coach because we'll give me a clearer picture. I'll try 329 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:14.599 to be more healthier on just my overall health. And in this fall time 330 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:17.599 period, I'm going to try to go around to see some different practices, 331 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:21.599 different coaches. You know, Steve, it's almost like a sabbatical. You 332 00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:23.880 know. It's like, you know, how like a professor at a university 333 00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:26.680 gets to take a sabbatical. It's almost like you're getting a sabbatical to go 334 00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:33.440 around see different people in your profession, learn from different ways of different coaches, 335 00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:36.160 and then, um, you know, I'm hoping that at a point 336 00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:40.000 I could even get up to Arizona Toe coach Tommy Lloyd and his staff. 337 00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:44.240 I know they're preparing to go to a foreign tour in the summer, and 338 00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:47.559 you maybe get some practices in the summer. Worst case, maybe try to 339 00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:52.440 make a a West coast swing in in the fall. You know, you're 340 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:56.000 signd like somebody very close to home, Sean Miller, who I think went 341 00:24:56.079 --> 00:24:59.480 through that. And you know when you read some of the stuff that you 342 00:24:59.559 --> 00:25:03.200 know from the media that he did this last basketball season, you could tell 343 00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:07.680 that the year off was good for him. And so many people get you 344 00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:11.240 know, use it that way, re energizing type of thing. Yeah, 345 00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:15.680 you know, you're you're exactly right. And and and actually I talked to 346 00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:19.079 Sean Um. Uh you know about that. We I talked to me this 347 00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:23.680 spring and um kind of the same thing. I mean, it's just you 348 00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:27.240 know, and obviously hit an incredible year as Xavier this past season, but 349 00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:32.920 it reached it recharged him. He was able to kind of reinvent himself and 350 00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:36.680 and and look, he was very successful before before this year, but he 351 00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:40.640 able to resent himself and and have a different perspective on some things. And 352 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:44.839 um, you know, it's hard to turn it off when you've been when 353 00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:47.880 you're just you know, it's it's you know, you're just in it so 354 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:51.880 much and you're just like where everything you're thinking of and I and I can 355 00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:56.640 tell you that, you know, uh, this my just my sleeping. 356 00:25:56.000 --> 00:26:00.279 I mean I hadn't. I was such an awful sleeper. I rarely slept, 357 00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:03.880 or if I fell asleep, I'd wake up two in the morning and 358 00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:06.720 I couldn't go back to sleep. And I mean it was just there's just 359 00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:10.519 a lot of stuff and then you're you're eating at midnight one in the morning, 360 00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:15.160 and then you're just going and going and you're just thinking and stress and 361 00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:18.240 all the time. Now, a lot of it is self inflicted, because 362 00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:22.799 you know, look most of it when it coaches, it's a self inslicted 363 00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:26.160 wounds that you're putting on yourself. But that's part of the process of learning 364 00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:30.000 to be better and trying to be more healthier so you can stay around as 365 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:33.799 long as you can. Yeah, no question. I also said that I 366 00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:37.480 think you'd be pretty good on TV, al radio, whatever you decide. 367 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:41.440 Have you looked into anything like that? Has anybody approached you with that? 368 00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:45.279 Yeah? Yeah, I'm hoping I have some opportunities to do television for this 369 00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:48.279 season. I'm really looking forward to that. I've had some I've had some 370 00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:52.480 talks with some people in the network in that world, and you know, 371 00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:56.039 like I love coming on with you guys, and I mean I loved part 372 00:26:56.079 --> 00:27:00.880 of the media part, and I'd love to talk and basketball all and uh 373 00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:06.200 you know, bring a perspective on it and and um having good energy about 374 00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:07.960 it. So I'm looking forward to that and seeing how that goes. And 375 00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:11.640 you never know where that can where that can take you. So uh yeah, 376 00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:15.920 No, I've had discussions. Obviously, things don't get going for for 377 00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:21.359 college basketball as in terms of Televire's just stuff more towards November. And obviously 378 00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:26.359 right now the focus for most networks is football and getting that wrapped up and 379 00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:30.359 making sure that that's all air type. But they'll really start looking in basketball 380 00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:33.480 here in July and in August to get that get that going. So this 381 00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:37.480 season is shaping up to be one where I know a lot of people are 382 00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:41.559 saying Kansas and whatnot, but it seems like this one could be as wide 383 00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:45.160 open as as we've had in a long time. And we just had one 384 00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:47.519 yeah, yeah, and there was yeah, really, you know, I 385 00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:49.759 mean the tournament this last year was crazy. You know what, what do 386 00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:52.079 you see as far as that goes? I mean you think it's that wide 387 00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:56.240 open as people think, or or how do you see the season coming up? 388 00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:02.160 I think Duke's I think Duke is really good. I think Kansas is 389 00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:04.799 going to be really good. You know Florida Atlantic who made it to the 390 00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:08.920 you know obviously to the all the way to the final four. Um, 391 00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:12.000 they've got their entire team back, so they're going to be good. But 392 00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:17.039 what I would tell you is also this, uh speaking on UM and I 393 00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:19.559 think USC in the West Coast, usc uc are gonna be I also think 394 00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:22.400 Arizona is gonna be really good. Let me say this on Arizona because I 395 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:26.680 know probably a lot of Wildcats fans might be listening. Um. You know, 396 00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:30.000 they get did a nice Tommy Lloyd and the staff that a really nice 397 00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:34.440 job in the portal, and they and they got a kid late the kids 398 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:41.039 from North Carolina, Caleb loves and I think he's really good. Now he 399 00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:47.960 can score the ball, You're probably gonna have to live with some tough shots 400 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:51.160 that that makes sense, or you know, and or you know, he's 401 00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:55.039 a tough he's a tough shot taker, but he can fill it up. 402 00:28:55.079 --> 00:29:00.720 And he's got great size and probably just getting a fresh started Arizona on he's 403 00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:03.200 going to do great. And they've got and the guys they got coming back, 404 00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:07.839 and and and with the some of the guys they signed the portal, 405 00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:11.000 I mean, I think Arizona's gonna be really good. And uh so, 406 00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:14.400 yes, you're right, it is wide open. And I think that's just 407 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:18.039 that's just kind of who it was or how it's going to be in college 408 00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:25.279 basketball with NIL slash pay for play, the transfer portal, all these different 409 00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:29.039 things that are in hand in hand right now, Um, this is the 410 00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:32.880 way it's gonna be. And and and it's you know, I was reading 411 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:37.759 somewhere the other day where actually they said, is this is actually good for 412 00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:42.279 college basketball the portal, the NIEL because there's so much talk about college basketball 413 00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:48.680 in the offseason that there it keeps the interest alive, sort of like NBA 414 00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:51.839 free agency, if that makes sense. Uh you know, maybe not the 415 00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:56.559 same exact thing, but in a way where there keeps keeps the fans interested 416 00:29:56.599 --> 00:30:00.079 in no one's going on and who's making the transition from one school to another 417 00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:03.359 and what's going on and all those types of things. So again, there's 418 00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:07.440 different ways to look at it, but it isn't in a unique time and 419 00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:11.240 there's gonna be. It's more so than ever that it's just a wide open 420 00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:17.200 environment or for college basketball and anybody can anybody can win. So baron with 421 00:30:17.319 --> 00:30:19.200 me for this question here. Jay and I were talking earlier, We talked 422 00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:22.279 earlier this week about this too. Give me a percentage. And I know 423 00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:26.799 you're a little biased with this, Give me a percentage. You have good 424 00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:30.880 players and you have a coach, good coach. What's the importance of a 425 00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:36.920 coach to good talent? Is it seventy percent to thirty fifty fifty because you 426 00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:41.200 recruited very well and and this is could be up for any coach. You 427 00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:42.599 know, Loot was Loot. He had players. He didn't have a lot 428 00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:45.200 of great players, but he made them play together. So you know the 429 00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:51.480 importance of a coach when you have a team. Give me a percent Yeah, 430 00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:55.319 you know what, Steve, and you witness it firsthand, you know 431 00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:57.119 even longer. I mean, yes, I was played and worked for, 432 00:30:57.319 --> 00:31:00.480 but you were there the whole you know, pretty much the whole high time 433 00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:06.279 with coach Olsen. Um and and coach Olsen was was as good as anybody 434 00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:11.119 at a team, and and and cohesiveness and and having an eye for talent, 435 00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:14.920 and and and getting the team to play together and play so hard. 436 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:18.680 I say all that to say this first of all, coaching matters. It 437 00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:22.640 does. Now. You can't win without players. I mean, you gotta 438 00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:29.680 have talent. So there's gotta be a there's got to be a a check 439 00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:33.519 mark for that that the talent has to be included in all this because it 440 00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:37.359 doesn't matter what the coach knows or how he can bring teams together, you 441 00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:41.720 still got to have the players that can perform on the floor. I mean, 442 00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:44.880 it's no different than Bill Belichick, who's, you know, maybe the 443 00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:48.160 greatest football coach ever, but he, you know, he hasn't won as 444 00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:52.519 much without the great players of Tom Brady and Bronk and and those type of 445 00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:53.960 guys. I mean, it's just that's the reality of it. And so 446 00:31:55.680 --> 00:32:00.480 Um I would tell you this, I would probably say that. And I 447 00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:02.440 think it's an interesting dynamic when you think about this. J and Steve, 448 00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:07.359 you know, at a school, I'm going to use Arizona as an example, 449 00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:10.359 because it's a big time blue bud Blood, one of the best programs 450 00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:15.000 in the country. Where Arizona is recruiting the best players in the country, 451 00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:20.759 Well, you're Tommy Lloyd is going to be able to have talent for seventy 452 00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:23.359 to eighty percent of the time, his teams are going to be better than 453 00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:27.960 anyone else they play against, just talent wise. And that's the credit to 454 00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:32.000 Tommy in the Arizona program because of what they've built to that point. But 455 00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:37.400 when you're playing the UCLA's, when you're playing the USCS, when you're playing 456 00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:43.920 Kansas, when you're playing you know, Duke or North Carolina, that's where 457 00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:47.279 the coaching comes in in the sense of how do you develop the team and 458 00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:52.319 as in terms of team karterie team chemistry, you know, bringing everyone together. 459 00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:57.440 Now, if you're a team that doesn't have that type of talent that 460 00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:01.720 maybe in Arizona has, boy, you've got to coach your butt off to 461 00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:09.160 be able to really have such great connectivity and cohesiveness that everyone's together. So 462 00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:15.920 sometimes it's actually harder to coach more talent than it is the coach left talent. 463 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:19.359 But I would say coaching is a big part I mean it's it's probably 464 00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:23.559 I would say it's probably around fifty to sixty percent, you know, in 465 00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:28.920 the forty to fifty percent range. But but look, coaches aren't as good 466 00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:31.400 as they say they are. They're not as bad as they say they are. 467 00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:35.759 They're probably somewhere in the middle. You in the end, you still 468 00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:38.200 got to have great players to put the ball in the basket. And I 469 00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:43.599 go back to this Steve j even in Arizona with lut with Coach Olson, 470 00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:45.519 one of the greatest ever to do it. I mean, you look at 471 00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:50.640 the pros that he had, which again is a credit to him, the 472 00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:54.920 developing and the recruitment. But you know, if you if you put that 473 00:33:55.160 --> 00:34:01.319 roster and reversed it with Washington States Foster at the time, you know, 474 00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:05.279 Rudolsen is not Rudolsen, if that makes sense, you know what I mean? 475 00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:07.840 And I think Coach Olsen would say that you still got to have the 476 00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:14.119 players to perform and be at the level. And that's why a guy like 477 00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:16.679 Coach Olson what he's done. It allows a guy like Tommy Lloyd, you 478 00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:20.440 know, to Sean Miller, who are you know, Tommy Sean, who 479 00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:24.519 are tremendous coaches, but to be able to to be able to recruit the 480 00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:30.440 same guys like the Kansas Dukes North Carolinas because it's an elite, blue blood 481 00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:32.159 program. And that's what coach Olsen has allowed to do. And that's why 482 00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:36.960 when you're in that spot, seventy eighty percent of time, Arizona will be 483 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:39.840 better who they play talent wise. Then the other things come in when you're 484 00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:44.199 playing the teams like UCLA, USC, Duke, North Carolina, et cetera. 485 00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:45.320 As I mentioned, I just gotta we just gotta call hold on, 486 00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:52.679 Okay, hold on, Well, no, I mean that happens, and 487 00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:55.920 I will say this, it's a one game scenario. And and we discussed 488 00:34:55.960 --> 00:35:00.880 this in the end. We discussed this, you know, the after the 489 00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:04.559 after that happened. I you know, look, Priston was good. They 490 00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:07.639 had a really good team and a good season. But in a one game 491 00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:10.000 scenario, and Steve, you know this, I mean, in a one 492 00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:15.840 game scenario in the tournament, you know, it says road to the final 493 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:20.159 four. You know, Arizona won the Pac twelve Championships, which is so 494 00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:23.480 hard to do. Tommy Lloyd has been a two time head coach. Two 495 00:35:23.559 --> 00:35:25.599 years. He's been a head coach two years one time, they're the one 496 00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:30.079 seed won, they're a two seedies National coach of the Year. But what 497 00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:36.000 you've done in the regular season can get forgotten so quickly if you don't perform 498 00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:38.679 at the tournament. And that happened to coach Olsen, Steve, you know 499 00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:42.440 that. I mean, people were getting on coach. And again I wasn't 500 00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:45.920 there during, but people were telling me they were getting on because you know, 501 00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:49.679 there's some early season upsets where they had such a great regular season. 502 00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:53.960 That happens, that's the magic of the tournament. But everyone, I mean, 503 00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:58.800 look at Purdue. Purdue was maybe the best team for most part of 504 00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:02.440 the country and they lost the FDU in the first round. Things happen in 505 00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:07.360 college basketball on a one game scenario. No, we're aware of that. 506 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:12.639 There's the headquarters for it, Josh. You know that. Well, Josh 507 00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:15.760 be well, we'll see you soon. Hopefully we'll keep in touch as always. 508 00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:20.800 Thanks a bunch, Thanks for having me on. Guys. Look forward 509 00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:23.599 to staying and when basketball gets going, let's let's talk a bunch. That's 510 00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:29.360 great, Thank you, Josh, appreciate it. Thanks, guys. He's 511 00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:34.320 so good. Oh yeah, he's so good. He's he should be on 512 00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:37.360 TV. He will release here and he'll get another coaching would be a crime 513 00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:40.280 if he's not on TV. Yeah, and he will. He will get 514 00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:44.480 another coaching, John because what he deserves it. But dude, he's just 515 00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:46.039 good. Yeah, I agree, he's just good at what he does. 516 00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:49.360 All right, let's take our last break where to come back. We'll take 517 00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:51.559 any calls five two zero, four, one, six, seventy four, 518 00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:54.239 forty And as long as we appreciate you listening, we appreciate you jumping on 519 00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:58.480 the podcast when you can't hear us lives. So thank you all very much, 520 00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:12.440 and we'll be right back. If you're an Arizona men's basketball fan, 521 00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:15.079 you know it's been successful for nearly forty years. 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They have their eye on the ball on two Suns Sports Stage Chef 573 00:40:52.559 --> 00:41:00.360 Fox Sports fourteen fifty streaming live on the iHeart Radio app. Welcome back to 574 00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:02.480 Why I'm about here at Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera and you're 575 00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:06.400 Jagan's awesome. We have about ten and a half minutes if you want to 576 00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:09.159 give us a call. Becase three five, twoe seventy four forty Did you 577 00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:12.519 have something that you wanted to bring up? I had something to bring up. 578 00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:15.719 I may not be clear with this though. Yesterday I was looking through 579 00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:19.199 some sections and I didn't click on the story, but there was a story 580 00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.840 in Washington Post. I was trying to find it now that came across and 581 00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:30.400 says in today's world the dynamic of old school coaching dealing with the new kids 582 00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:32.920 coming up, and how there was a clash of the times, especially with 583 00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:37.840 the parents that they that the kids have now. Right, that's you can 584 00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:40.480 You've seen it for years, but now it's kind of coming to a head 585 00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:45.239 where I don't have to listen to you because guess what, I have options, 586 00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:47.360 right, I get Yeah, Okay, I'm here at this university. 587 00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:51.119 Well, I don't like where you're talking to me, so I'm gonna go 588 00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:52.679 to that university and guess I'm gonna go over there. I'm gonna get more 589 00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:57.159 money, right, so they're dynamic of or I can just leave and you 590 00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:00.320 can't do anything about dealing with people, right, Well I heard that, 591 00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:04.320 of course. Well again, and we've seen a bunch of coaches already. 592 00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:07.559 You know, just three three of the you know, long time coaches at 593 00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:10.280 Arizona who got out because they didn't feel like they wanted to deal with all 594 00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:14.320 of this stuff. Yeah, you know. And David Ruby on particular set 595 00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:17.960 it was he didn't feel like he could deal with today's affe. And now 596 00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:21.679 that you kind of now that you say that, and now that I'm reminded 597 00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:25.559 of that, it was it was a noble move by him. And I 598 00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:30.920 could be wrong, but this is my thought because it takes some self reflection, 599 00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:35.320 right that your style is not doesn't work. It doesn't work anymore, 600 00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:37.440 and how many and you get it, and you're getting a nice paycheck too 601 00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:42.239 to come to work and maybe hate it, but you get a nice paycheck. 602 00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:45.199 Then you realize you don't want it's not what I bargained for or not 603 00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:49.559 what I live for. Think of all the people and whatever jobs that they 604 00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:52.440 have, Steve, who've been doing things in a certain way, and come 605 00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:55.000 how or high water, they're gonna keep doing them that way. And then 606 00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:59.119 there comes a time when, you know, the production of that sure falls 607 00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:02.039 off. Sure, what's that note that I've used before? Because we've done 608 00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:05.440 it, this is how we've done it all the time. Right, Yeah, 609 00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:08.599 it doesn't work, doesn't It doesn't work, doesn't. And and you 610 00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:15.000 know, and some coaches or business people or whatever, rather than change, 611 00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:16.559 they'll get out and that's fine with them. You know. Look, Rubia 612 00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:21.400 had a long had a long career at Arizona. Mike and Andre had a 613 00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:24.440 long career at Arizona. Uh Andy Lopez had a long career overall, you 614 00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:28.480 know, Pepperdine, Florida, Arizona. So you know, those guys all 615 00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:30.559 had long careers and they're like, Okay, I've done what I'm gonna do. 616 00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:35.719 This is who I am. I'd rather not do this anymore than have 617 00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:39.119 to start all over and you know and figure this out again. And and 618 00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:44.239 that's fine. It's and then other coaches like Sean Miller, right who realized 619 00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:47.480 what he was doing wasn't gonna work anymore. So he's gonna do it some 620 00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:51.639 other way. Josh Pastner just said that. He said, no, I'm 621 00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:53.280 taking this time to figure out, Um, you know how I'm going to 622 00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:58.159 do things, and you know I'm I'm changing myself. Right, He's he's 623 00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:00.679 looking at how he's got to change him self so that he can become a 624 00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:06.000 better coach down the road, because he'll feel better about himself, he'll be 625 00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:08.400 healthier, and it'll make him a better coach, right, and a lot 626 00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:10.920 you know, some people can do that and some people can't. Some people 627 00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:15.280 say screw it, I'm not gonna do this anymore. Yeah, I've been 628 00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:19.239 doing it this way, do damn long. Sure. Sure he'll be better 629 00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:22.280 for it too. Yeah. And I think if he even is not a 630 00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:24.000 head coach, he'll be a pretty good assistant coach. I mean, if 631 00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:28.840 you can somebody who can, and again it doesn't have to be a coach, 632 00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:32.519 right, somebody who can look at themselves and say this doesn't work anymore, 633 00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:36.760 so I better do something different, right, and then do that and 634 00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:39.280 be successful at it. Those are the people who are as successful as anybody 635 00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:45.119 because one they get better at what they're trying to do, and two they 636 00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:50.119 feel better about it well self reflection and pivoting. And I tell the kids 637 00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:55.360 today and you were because we've had kids here in our business specifically, if 638 00:44:55.400 --> 00:45:00.199 you're not creating your own magic, right you, you better you're gonna be 639 00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:04.159 in trouble because someone else is gonna call the shots for you. Yeah. 640 00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:07.800 Uh. It took me who had a paper closing, for me to realize 641 00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:10.400 that you've left a few times from a few places, and probably we're unhappy 642 00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:15.280 at those places. Uh. And and us now finding this thing that we're 643 00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:19.639 having fun with. Uh. But but today look at the ESPN, look 644 00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:23.119 at the laying awful lot of people. The b media business is crumbling about 645 00:45:23.119 --> 00:45:28.320 all these people who are beloved and who are are being asked to leave. 646 00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:30.519 You know. So some of those people go, you know, go out 647 00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:35.400 and reinvent themselves doing something else, or get on another network, or just 648 00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:38.440 do something completely different, you know. And that in a lot of ways, 649 00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:42.679 that's the nature of the business that we're in. But you know, 650 00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:45.280 other businesses where people have been around a long time and just keep doing what 651 00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:52.000 they're doing. Maybe teachers, maybe uh, I don't know what other what 652 00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:54.000 other you know, business you might you might be in, but you know, 653 00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:57.679 there comes a time when you've got to take a look at yourself and 654 00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:02.639 be able to say this doesn't work anymore. I got right and now and 655 00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:07.360 now that you know, I covered college basketball mostly, but college football you 656 00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:10.239 have more of those stuff dudes than you're doing basketball. And kind of the 657 00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:14.880 older dudes have kind of been right, they've retired. Why is Jed Fish 658 00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:19.079 doing a good job? What is it about him that? Because he's like 659 00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:22.360 he sees, he sees the landscape and so he's he's trying to hit all 660 00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:25.760 the you know, all the high points on that landscape. Right, He's 661 00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:30.480 trying to hit all the spots where he knows he can make one make a 662 00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:35.679 difference too, where he's happy being. And then all that comes together. 663 00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:38.079 Now guys want to play here, right right, Tommy Lloyd is going through 664 00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:43.239 the same thing. Yeah, you know, but the way Tommy Lloyd coaches 665 00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:46.760 now, could that have worked thirty years ago? I don't know. I 666 00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:52.599 don't know, I don't know, right, but today's Differently days athlete likes 667 00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:55.679 what Tommy Lloyd is doing. That's why he gets a guy like Caleb Love 668 00:46:55.960 --> 00:47:00.119 no crush, North Carolina guy who just played in the National Championship game, 669 00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:04.679 and instead of staying with that team, says, I'm gonna go over here, 670 00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:07.800 right, And and Sean who's reinventing himself, kind of realized, maybe 671 00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:10.719 I'll have to loosen the reins a little, yeah, and enjoy my life 672 00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:15.079 while giving them some leeway. Yeah. No, I mean though, you 673 00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:19.840 know, successful people are the ones that can reevaluate what the flow evaluate. 674 00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:22.679 He figure out to figure out new ways to win. And I use this 675 00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:25.400 as my reference point because this is what I know. Lut had to do 676 00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:30.599 that too when they lost many times, when they lost to h least Tennessee 677 00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:34.480 State, they had to go from big to small and run and let them 678 00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:37.639 run. Right. Uh, he's in basketball, big man's game, not 679 00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:42.079 necessarily not anymore, okay, And an example of a guy who wouldn't change. 680 00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:45.800 Nor Amazonian and Kevin Summon they said we're gonna do this our way, 681 00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:52.639 and they wrecked the best quarterback Arizona may have ever had. Date had something 682 00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:55.639 to do with that, but nor do they put the time in to get 683 00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:59.840 it. You had a talent, and instead of saying, okay, we 684 00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:02.440 what rich Rod did, right, I have this talent. So even though 685 00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:07.079 he found out about that talent by accident, once he found out he had, 686 00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:10.119 he turned it loose. Yeah, right. And then these guys come 687 00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:13.880 in and they say, no, we see that he can do that, 688 00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:16.639 but we want to do this. And what did they do? Right? 689 00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:21.559 It screwed up the whole thing. And you know, I'm gonna you know, 690 00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:23.800 like I said, I'm sure cloth Tate had something to do with that 691 00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:28.960 in terms of how he handled it. But in the end, when you 692 00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:32.039 look at it was like there was this talent set him there to be to 693 00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:37.840 be used for to win football, and they chose to Forday, we don't 694 00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:39.719 want to do it that way. We want to do it this way. 695 00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:43.239 And it did work. I wonder if one of these days, if I 696 00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:45.760 ever do something else, I get a chance to ask him, and I 697 00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:51.360 would ask him if there's any things that he would change something, because I 698 00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:53.119 don't know, I don't know if he would won and would he care, 699 00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:58.199 you know, but he looked back, Steve, I screwed up or I 700 00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:01.000 would have done this differently or whatever. You don't know too down the road, 701 00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:05.400 yeah, you know, And would you get an honest answer. I 702 00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:07.360 see. That's the thing. I don't know, you know what I mean? 703 00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:12.159 If he ever coaches somewhere where somebody gets to ask him, yeah, 704 00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:16.760 we're wrong. In Arizona. It's like John with the questions Jay, Yeah, 705 00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:21.440 why didn't you just call? Yeah? You know what I'm saying exactly. 706 00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:23.599 It's like a relationship with someone ANX girlfriend you see ten years down the 707 00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:27.400 road, you know what, you know, I loved you. Why did 708 00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:30.639 you just tell me you needed to see somebody else? You know what I'm 709 00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:32.599 saying. You know what I'm saying. That's a simple question. It's a 710 00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:37.320 simple question that sometimes the tough reporters have to ask. You're there for. 711 00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:40.400 Let me tell you if isn't that the story that the connection with Jay Johnson? 712 00:49:40.599 --> 00:49:45.639 And here that one question? Why did you do it that way? 713 00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:49.039 Yeah? I mean simply yeah, not not that you did it. Why 714 00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:52.719 did you do it that way? Absolutely no. If you have one question, 715 00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:55.719 that's what I'm asking. Yeah, yeah, no, I get I 716 00:49:55.800 --> 00:50:00.239 get it. And it's like, what the hell? You know? He 717 00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:01.719 may not give you the answer, Bud mean, you were a really good 718 00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:07.480 coach at Texas A and how did that not translate to Arizona. Yeah. 719 00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:10.880 In the meantime, Yeah, how did this happen? Right? And screw 720 00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:14.440 it up? For all this time, we're still digging out of it, 721 00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:20.559 hoping that we six win season, you know, and that'll be great. 722 00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:22.880 Yeah, I just want to beat Steve and this good. Exactly, It's 723 00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:28.559 like it got so bad that right now we would be giddy over six wins 724 00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:30.559 in a ball game. And pointed the Independent. I know that's a that's 725 00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:34.239 a big number, six or not a big number, but it's a big 726 00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:37.719 number of hards. I look at the schedule. It's a hard number. 727 00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:40.079 And two years ago there were one win. You guys, are you two? 728 00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:44.840 You and Justin today? Uh, Colorado, all these other schools, 729 00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:49.239 Arizona did it. What makes you think that Colorado can do it? Because 730 00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:55.840 they exactly, you're biased, you're biased, same rules apply. They're pot 731 00:50:57.119 --> 00:51:00.840 capable because Dean Sanders has a messed up and it's hard for him too. 732 00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:06.159 So there's always a reason a good show. Today. It was a good 733 00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:08.559 show. It's fun. Thank you Justin Spears for taking the time this afternoon. 734 00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:12.800 We know that you're probably needed a nap, but we appreciate the fact 735 00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:15.480 that you came out and hung out with us a little bit and Josh Paston. 736 00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:19.719 We always appreciate Josh Paston. He does such a great job, such 737 00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:22.920 a great guy. It's such a spirited kind of guy, so it's always 738 00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:24.840 great having him. So thanks again. We'll be back tomorrow. We're gonna 739 00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:29.119 talk to ni Al tomorrow. It's more a more stuff about that, so 740 00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:30.719 looking forward to it. Should be a good conversation. I'll be sure to 741 00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:31.719 come back tomorrow.