1 00:00:28,399 --> 00:00:32,719 Hello, and welcome to the show. Martin willis your host, and we 2 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,799 have a great show for you this evening. One of my favorite guests. 3 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,439 We have Robert Powell coming up, and just a bit before that we have 4 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:44,960 Alajandro al Rojas. He'll be joining us for UFO updates in just a minute. 5 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,920 And I want to thank everyone that helps support the show. And why 6 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,759 don't the listeners check out We have a lot of kind of interesting things on 7 00:00:53,759 --> 00:00:57,840 our website now podcast UFO dot com. Go check it out over there. 8 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,920 And we are still looking for a blogger. I know we've had a few 9 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:10,599 people contact us and so that option is open for someone that would like to 10 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,799 write some blogs. We did have someone in Tasmania write a couple of interesting 11 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:19,239 blogs and waiting to hear back from him. And let's see, we are 12 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,799 talking the Nimits today. I've really I guess I'm kind of stuck on that 13 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,400 case. I really liked talking about that. It's just one of those fascinating 14 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:33,239 ones with a lot of really great research and Robert has done that. And 15 00:01:34,159 --> 00:01:38,000 on the nineteenth of March I believe it is, we have Kevin Day, 16 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:44,799 who was the radar operator in the Nimits during the sightings. He's going to 17 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,439 be on the show then, so I think that will just about do it 18 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,439 for the Nimits for us for a while. And last week, if you 19 00:01:51,719 --> 00:01:56,280 missed the show, check it out. It's pretty interesting. The fighter pilot 20 00:01:56,519 --> 00:02:01,000 was actually on the Nimitz during the during the incident. I didn't even know 21 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,920 that when I had him on the show, I had him on to talk 22 00:02:04,959 --> 00:02:08,039 about other things, So that was pretty exciting for me anyway. So that's 23 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:13,759 it for now, and we are joined by Alejandro Rojas. Welcome to the 24 00:02:13,759 --> 00:02:19,000 show. Hello, Thank you so much for having me my friend as always, 25 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,560 it's a pleasure. Yeah, and you should have a great show. 26 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:28,560 You've got Robert and which is great because he's got this report coming out and 27 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,680 I'm so excited to see it. In fact, I asked him to share 28 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,840 information with me and he said, wait for the report. So you're getting 29 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,960 a preview. You're lucky. Yeah. Yeah, he's part of that government 30 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:44,840 documents book that was so important. But Nimitz is really important too, because 31 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,639 I think probably one of the most important cases in a long long time, 32 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:54,719 and the main reason being that it's tied to this government program. And then 33 00:02:54,759 --> 00:03:00,000 we have more witnesses than ever, you know, with this case coming forward. 34 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,520 In fact, you know, even with if you think of a big 35 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,439 case like Rendel from Forrest, which was a military case you know in the 36 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,879 UK, the United States Wars was leasing this base from the UK. You 37 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:15,879 have quite a few military witnesses from that, but it didn't have the attention, 38 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:20,680 nor was it, uh you know, an official kind of government investigation 39 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,120 like Nimitz is. So there's just a number of reason it's so so important, 40 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:29,639 and it's really exciting that it's getting all the attention, and so I 41 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,840 think it's important that we talked about it a lot. You make a really 42 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:37,759 good point, um wondering if part of the reason Rendels from Force was not 43 00:03:37,879 --> 00:03:42,639 taken that seriously at the time is because it was it was not on our 44 00:03:42,759 --> 00:03:46,199 land, it was in England. I'm wondering if that's part of it, 45 00:03:46,479 --> 00:03:50,479 and I wonder if it would change today if that happened. That's a good 46 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,639 question, and you're right, that's what's interesting about the Charles Halt memo and 47 00:03:53,840 --> 00:04:00,759 essentially the strategy behind the memo. So Charles Halt was the deputy base commander. 48 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,759 He was one of the witnesses in Rendelstom Forest, and it was pretty 49 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:11,840 much his memo to the Ministry of Defense that in the UK that broke this 50 00:04:11,879 --> 00:04:15,680 whole thing and made it very big, And in his memo it was essentially 51 00:04:15,719 --> 00:04:18,560 he and his boss their strategy was, well, you know, this incident 52 00:04:18,639 --> 00:04:26,120 didn't really necessarily occur on the base, it occurred on English land, so 53 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,000 we're going to kind of pass the buck and write this memo telling them this 54 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:35,079 occurred. So really it's their job to investigate. And then the UK decided 55 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:40,319 not to investigate. There were debates, including in the House of Lords, 56 00:04:40,759 --> 00:04:45,600 one of the branches of the government, around why aren't they investigating it? 57 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:51,079 But it never was officially investigated by the government. So you're right. I 58 00:04:51,079 --> 00:04:56,000 guess if the American government would have taken onus, if they would have written 59 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:00,920 that memo internally, what would have happened. Maybe there would have been an 60 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,879 investigation. Who knows, um, It's difficult to say. Although Charles Halt 61 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:12,240 believes there was some sort of clandestine investigation that went on that he was not 62 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,720 even privy too, and I asked him what you think, you know, 63 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:23,319 he believes his guys were debriefed. If that could happen if some organization with 64 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,759 a lot of secrecy could come on base and debrief his own people without him 65 00:05:27,759 --> 00:05:30,879 knowing. And he said, sure, that could happen. I just didn't 66 00:05:30,879 --> 00:05:34,240 have a need to know of as to the business that these people were needed 67 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:39,959 to do on the base, and so that's possible, right right. It 68 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:45,279 is pretty amazing how when you said the need to know thing, how compartmentalized 69 00:05:45,319 --> 00:05:50,399 everything seems to be in so many different ways when it comes to right military 70 00:05:50,439 --> 00:05:58,000 and the government. M so getting into news that gets into a little bit 71 00:05:58,319 --> 00:06:02,439 of the news, there's a there's a somewhat of a tie in that, 72 00:06:02,879 --> 00:06:10,680 you know, a tip this organization was that Lui Alasando, you know ran 73 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,680 It's there's been some questions about it because we really haven't had much in the 74 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,519 way of official documentation related to all of this. We've got leaks, for 75 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:26,240 instance, many of them from George Knapp at KLAS. In fact, the 76 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:30,800 only report we have, the alleged report we have from the military on the 77 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:36,720 NIMAS case, is from a leak from George Knapp. Now there have been 78 00:06:36,759 --> 00:06:43,720 other people to corroborate these leaks to confirm that they're accurate. But one of 79 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,399 George Knapp's leaks was a list of different sort of products they called them, 80 00:06:47,399 --> 00:06:56,079 different projects or papers that his organization was working on. And luckily, fortunately 81 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:01,279 we have finally had essentially the first And you'll definitely have to ask Robert about 82 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:06,680 this, because I know he's been in like crazy around a tip and nimits 83 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:11,759 and all of this, and there's been little to no success, really no 84 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:17,240 success until recently, and that is because of these documents that a couple of 85 00:07:17,279 --> 00:07:21,720 groups were able to foy and get information out of. Well, really only 86 00:07:21,759 --> 00:07:26,959 one that we know has foyed it and gotten information. That's the Federation of 87 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,199 American Scientists. So they did a FOIA on a tip and they got some 88 00:07:30,759 --> 00:07:39,000 documentation. It turned out Nick Pope had called the PR Department essentially and said, 89 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,399 hey, guys, you know, I've got a foia, but give 90 00:07:41,439 --> 00:07:45,040 me some information, and they finally did, and it turned out to be 91 00:07:45,079 --> 00:07:48,639 the same document that the Federation of American Scientists had released. And that happened 92 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:55,600 sometimes where a foia is responded to, which makes them that material public. 93 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,959 And so then when you call the d PR Department, especially as a journalist, 94 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:05,240 they'll often give you that material without having to have put through a FOIA, 95 00:08:05,399 --> 00:08:07,879 and other researchers will do that for also, I'm sure that's happened to 96 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,240 Robert. So they got this document, and this document actually mentions the name 97 00:08:15,399 --> 00:08:22,639 a TIP. It mentions Advanced Aerospace Threat and Identification Program, which is interesting 98 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,680 because his term. It's been debated what the term is, but lu Alsando 99 00:08:26,759 --> 00:08:31,439 has told us it's advanced Aerospace Threat even though so many people doubt him for 100 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,279 some reason that you know, a TIP did UFO work or anything at all. 101 00:08:35,919 --> 00:08:39,440 But there's a couple of important clues. And we've kind of talked about 102 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,519 these documents, but examining them, there's some information in it that's pretty important. 103 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:50,799 Essentially, they're looking for Advanced Aerospace Threat and Identification meaning the identification part 104 00:08:52,159 --> 00:08:56,279 is they're identifying foreign objects, objects that don't belong to the United States. 105 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:03,639 However, what's interesting then is, Okay, who are who are these foreigners 106 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,720 that have this technology that is beyond our own then that they're examining, Well, 107 00:09:07,759 --> 00:09:13,080 if you look at this inventory that to try to get a clue as 108 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,879 to you know, are they looking into Russian technology, are they looking into 109 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:24,840 Chinese technology? Well, all of these documents are all about space travel for 110 00:09:24,879 --> 00:09:28,799 the most part, at least when it comes to the technology parts space propulsion. 111 00:09:30,879 --> 00:09:37,960 There's stuff about cloaking, but there's traversing, wormholes and stargates. So 112 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:43,240 you see here very quickly that you know it bolsters Lose claims that what we 113 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:48,039 have here is that they were looking at unknowns. They were looking at another 114 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:52,960 possibility. He of course is hesitant like many to say they're looking into whether 115 00:09:54,039 --> 00:09:58,759 or not it's extraterrestrials. But at least they had, as he shared, 116 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:03,039 been convinced that it's the Chinese or the Russians or any other government out there 117 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,519 that we know of, so it backs up. Of course. Unfortunately, 118 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,840 we don't have listed on this list like the Nimitz document, and you know, 119 00:10:11,919 --> 00:10:16,720 we have this Nimitz Report. But what's exciting, at least from what 120 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,919 Lewis said, is that the Nimitz Report is one of very many. That 121 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:26,440 there are other cases out there. I think Robert definitely knows as a clue 122 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,559 of to some of the other cases that they've looked at, given what we 123 00:10:30,639 --> 00:10:37,399 know about some of the videos that have been released. But supposedly, and 124 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,159 according to lu there were even better cases than the Nimits, and the Nimits 125 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:46,000 is an extraordinary case. So there's still a lot of information to that is 126 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:50,360 forthcoming, and even when it comes to the Nimits, we don't know the 127 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:56,320 extent of the investigation. We have this kind of almost high level executive summary 128 00:10:56,799 --> 00:11:03,559 that doesn't even necessarily look to be put together by a scientist, but more 129 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,000 of a researcher or an investigator who talked to all of the witnesses. There's 130 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,200 some kind of real fringy, kind of strange speculation in the leaked document, 131 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:16,519 but Lou has confirmed it's accurate, and as time goes on. Another reason 132 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:22,840 this is helpful is that when Lu's the things that he's told us have been 133 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,519 confirmed and corroborated by third parties like Harry Reid or David Fraber or any of 134 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:31,720 the other NIMITS witnesses that we've talked to, then it just means that most 135 00:11:31,759 --> 00:11:35,440 likely, you know, what Lou has been telling us is accurate. So 136 00:11:35,759 --> 00:11:41,000 when he's telling us there's more documents to come or that more exist, hopefully 137 00:11:41,039 --> 00:11:45,080 over time, you know, some of these foil requests that we've put in 138 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:50,320 will be fruitful and we'll be able to get some more of these exciting reports, 139 00:11:50,159 --> 00:11:54,600 right absolutely, Well, I hope so. And it's you know that 140 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:00,440 is fascinating. I mean that there are so many military I mean, the 141 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:05,759 military involved in these sightings is fascinating to me. And I think that's a 142 00:12:05,799 --> 00:12:11,000 really important case a point. You know, the UK government up until two 143 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:15,679 thousand and eight had their own UFO research program. That was the program that 144 00:12:15,759 --> 00:12:20,879 Nick Pope was a part of. However, they closed their door at two 145 00:12:20,919 --> 00:12:24,000 thousand and eight and two thousand and eighth they didn't want any more documents. 146 00:12:24,039 --> 00:12:28,080 But Nick Pope, for instance, although he doesn't can't point to this being 147 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:33,480 you know, certainly the case felt that more of what they were saying is 148 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,679 they don't want public input anymore, that they've got enough information on their own. 149 00:12:39,039 --> 00:12:41,799 And it's kind of similar to what a TIP was doing, because a 150 00:12:41,919 --> 00:12:46,720 TIP was looking at military cases. And I don't think that's necessarily a bad 151 00:12:46,759 --> 00:12:50,200 thing because when it comes to a military case, you're going to have more 152 00:12:50,279 --> 00:12:54,919 records, you're going to have more credible witnesses, you're going to have even 153 00:12:54,000 --> 00:13:01,879 more sophisticated equipment that is monitoring or gather data, including video data on these 154 00:13:01,919 --> 00:13:07,279 cases. So these are going to be the strongest of the cases out there. 155 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,840 And even if you look at Project Bluebook or a number of other cases 156 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,799 that Robert has looked into and his colleagues in his Government Documents book that they've 157 00:13:15,799 --> 00:13:20,320 put together, you know, these are really really strong cases. Do they 158 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:24,000 point to an answer that we definitely know what's going on? They don't. 159 00:13:24,039 --> 00:13:28,000 But what they do point to is what lou has shared and others, is 160 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:33,080 that there's a there's a mystery, there's an observed technology that we don't know 161 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:37,879 what it is. But so far we have not seen anything, you know, 162 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:43,000 indicating like at least officially, that they've captured a crashed UFO or bodies 163 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:48,799 or anything like that. But we do at least have that it's very substantiated 164 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:54,639 that they've had these experiences with these unknown technologies that can out maneuver our most 165 00:13:54,639 --> 00:14:01,720 sophisticated aircraft. Yeah, and do such mysterious maneuvers that that, you know, 166 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,679 especially when we're gonna be talking about that today at the news, those 167 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,120 are crazy. So I guess when it comes to news, you know, 168 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:13,840 there's a lot of news about these documents about the crazy stuff these guys were 169 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,720 looking into they don't get into some of the nuances like we're talking about where 170 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:22,919 it confirms the UFO side of things. However, what's interesting about the mainstream 171 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:30,200 media is they have had no doubt really as to what Lou and Alazondo has 172 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,600 said about his program, or that Harry Reid has said about the program. 173 00:14:33,639 --> 00:14:37,840 They really haven't doubted Lou when he says they investigated UFO and the mainstream media. 174 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:43,519 So I think that's really important. And so when it comes to the 175 00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:46,639 mainstream media, these stories I think are really interesting, and it's great that 176 00:14:46,759 --> 00:14:50,679 you know, there's so much more getting out there and people know that not 177 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:56,720 only was the government or the military taking UFOs more seriously and the possibility that 178 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:01,639 they're unidentified, but also these other technology that would indicate how they might be 179 00:15:01,759 --> 00:15:07,159 getting here from there, but also how we might one day get there from 180 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,039 here. Yeah, so all of that's important. But that's created a lot 181 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,919 of stories, and then of course Bluebook is creating a lot of stories still 182 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:18,879 the Project Bluebook television show. In fact, there's a Washington Post story that 183 00:15:20,039 --> 00:15:24,120 just posted today. So we're seeing a lot of mainstream coverage from UFOs, 184 00:15:24,799 --> 00:15:30,120 mostly from Project Bluebook to television show, but a tip continues to get into 185 00:15:30,159 --> 00:15:33,519 the headlines as well. Yeah. Great, well, Hellajundre, thank you 186 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,240 so much. It's fun as always to have you on the show. I 187 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,279 appreciate it. Yeah, my pleasure. I have a great shoe. All 188 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:43,200 right, I'll talk to you next week. ACTU later. All right, 189 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,679 okay, everyone, So our guest tonight. Oh by the way, we 190 00:15:46,679 --> 00:15:52,960 were just speaking about the documents, and you can read those actually on my 191 00:15:52,039 --> 00:15:58,720 website. I have a PDF reader, So go to podcastfo dot com and 192 00:15:58,799 --> 00:16:04,679 it's titled it's a second second article down Fourier reveals the DIA funded research into 193 00:16:04,799 --> 00:16:10,320 UFO technology and you can scan through that. It's only five pages, but 194 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,480 you can scan through that document and check it out. It's really interesting. 195 00:16:12,559 --> 00:16:18,799 So our guest UM Robert Powell. He is a charter member board member that 196 00:16:18,919 --> 00:16:25,159 is of the Scientific Coalition of You for Uthology SEU. He's been the director 197 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:32,000 of Research at Moufon from two thousand and seven to two seventeen and created Moufon's 198 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,720 Science Review Board and two and twelve and it goes on and on and on. 199 00:16:36,759 --> 00:16:41,039 He's quite a and he's also part of the UFO Data Project as well, 200 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:42,879 and we have a lot of talk, a lot to talk about. 201 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:48,200 Welcome to the show, Robert. Well, I'm Martin. It's nice to 202 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,679 be back. Yes, I think you know you were on the show the 203 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,879 week before the New York Times article came out, and I'll heck broke loose 204 00:16:56,919 --> 00:17:00,879 as they say, You're right, we talked about the event right before before 205 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:06,839 the New York Times released the case. It's kind of coincidental. I've been 206 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:11,720 working on it since the middle of two thousand and sixteen, and then you 207 00:17:11,759 --> 00:17:17,079 and I talked the week right before what was it December or seventeenth or nineteenth 208 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,960 or sixteenth pound came out, So yeah, it was the week before part 209 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:25,000 of that. So we have a lot of new listeners to the show, 210 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:30,440 a lot of new listeners in UFO field in general. So for the person, 211 00:17:30,519 --> 00:17:33,039 I want to start out by talking about the Nimitz case, and we 212 00:17:33,079 --> 00:17:37,759 will go into other topics of course, but if for the new listener in 213 00:17:37,839 --> 00:17:44,400 a nutshell, if you can talk about the Nimitz case just and you know, 214 00:17:44,519 --> 00:17:47,759 get get them up to speed with and then we can continue to talk 215 00:17:47,759 --> 00:17:52,839 about more details on that. Sure I could do that, And if you 216 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,279 would like for your new listeners, I could give them a quick overview of 217 00:17:56,319 --> 00:18:00,839 my background, just so you did pick me off, picked me up off 218 00:18:00,839 --> 00:18:10,039 the street corner somewhere. Actually, I became involved with the UFO topic in 219 00:18:10,039 --> 00:18:15,319 two thousand and seven, so I've been investigating it for almost exactly twelve years 220 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:21,240 now, and I probably averaged twenty hours a week. My degree was in 221 00:18:21,319 --> 00:18:27,160 chemistry, and I became interested in this topic back and in junior high when 222 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:32,640 I read one of Jallen Heineck's books. But you know, I put that 223 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,440 on the shelf because you know, I had to get a job, raise 224 00:18:36,519 --> 00:18:40,680 a family, make a living. And I was fortunate and that I worked 225 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:47,319 in a semiconductor field, making microprocessors. I was an engineering manager there and 226 00:18:47,519 --> 00:18:51,319 I was able to retire early. And so once I retired early, I 227 00:18:51,319 --> 00:18:55,519 said, Okay, what do I really want to do? And one thing 228 00:18:55,559 --> 00:19:00,799 I always enjoyed was the challenge of the UFO phenomenon, and I got involved. 229 00:19:00,799 --> 00:19:03,400 Then I became the director of research. Should move on. I was 230 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:10,400 there for ten years. I left there about one and a half years ago. 231 00:19:10,599 --> 00:19:18,119 Then we founded the Scientific Coalition for Ufology and it's kind of been history 232 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:22,279 since then. And you know, I looked for cases that have a lot 233 00:19:22,279 --> 00:19:26,559 of good information and data, and the Nimit's case was one of them. 234 00:19:26,599 --> 00:19:30,960 So to give your listeners a feel for you know, how did I get 235 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,599 involved in this Nimits case. Well, it started back in the middle of 236 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:41,039 two thou sixteen, so I'd heard about the case then, and I found 237 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,400 the website that a lot of your listeners may be aware of now, which 238 00:19:45,519 --> 00:19:52,240 was a Navy blog site. And when I found that site, it was 239 00:19:52,279 --> 00:19:56,400 just full of Navy lingo and it was talking about this UFO case. And 240 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,240 the first thing I do on any UFO case is I try to filter through. 241 00:20:00,319 --> 00:20:04,440 Okay, is this even worth my time? And I could tell right 242 00:20:04,759 --> 00:20:11,960 from the beginning, okay, this is interesting, So I started investigating the 243 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,480 case. At that point in time, that blog site had a lot of 244 00:20:15,519 --> 00:20:23,319 good information in it, and then I went and began sending out foy's and 245 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:32,000 I was on your show actually in December right when one of the guys who 246 00:20:32,079 --> 00:20:36,680 listened to your show, by the name of Kevin Day contacted me and he 247 00:20:36,759 --> 00:20:41,880 happened to be the senior chief who was over radar on the USS Princeton. 248 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:48,720 And so just within a day or two of your show. He had posted 249 00:20:48,759 --> 00:20:52,759 something on your site. So I called Kevin and then he told me basically 250 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:59,720 his story of what happened. So I got I interviewed him in January of 251 00:21:00,039 --> 00:21:03,359 two thousand and eighteen, and as far as I know, I was the 252 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:10,480 first person that interviewed Kevin. And it's always good to try to get all 253 00:21:10,519 --> 00:21:15,759 the information you can in that first interview because you know, sometimes times in 254 00:21:15,799 --> 00:21:19,720 our minds, right, it's easy for things to change, so you want 255 00:21:19,759 --> 00:21:27,480 to get that information while it's still fruition in virgin So basically, this case 256 00:21:27,759 --> 00:21:34,680 involved a US carrier strike group known as Carrier Strike Group eleven. It was 257 00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:41,119 southwest of San Diego, right, Kevin Day was the senior chief over all 258 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:48,039 the radar guys, and so he's he's doing his usual work. They're doing 259 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:56,119 exercises, and he's detecting these objects on radar to their north and northeast up 260 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:00,880 near Catalina Island, moving at eighty thousand feet at about one hundred miles an 261 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,799 hour. So the first thing they do is they double check the radar. 262 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:10,200 They make sure it's not you know, problems with the radar, and they 263 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,079 as far as they can tell the objects are real, but they pretty much 264 00:22:14,079 --> 00:22:18,960 ignore it because it's over eighty thousand feet and it's not really bothering them. 265 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,279 Right. Well, on the day when they're about to have an exercise, 266 00:22:23,559 --> 00:22:30,759 a number of these objects dropped from eighty thousand feet down to about twenty thousand 267 00:22:30,839 --> 00:22:34,200 feet and some down to sea level. And the time it took was point 268 00:22:34,279 --> 00:22:40,440 seven eight seconds, which is the number that Kevin had written down and remembered 269 00:22:40,519 --> 00:22:44,680 till this day. Wow. So to me, that was really interesting, 270 00:22:44,799 --> 00:22:48,599 right, I've already read this blog about it. Now Kevin's told me basically 271 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,720 the same thing, and he has not seen this blog at that point in 272 00:22:52,759 --> 00:22:59,839 time, so you know, I'm I'm like, wow, this is this 273 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:06,759 is pretty interesting. So the next thing I do is I managed to get 274 00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:11,039 hold of a guy who was what they call a fire control operator, which 275 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:17,200 doesn't you would think that means he controls fires on the ship, but that's 276 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,000 not really what they do. They are basically part of the attack group, 277 00:23:21,839 --> 00:23:23,799 you know, should they be at war. So these guys have access to 278 00:23:23,839 --> 00:23:30,200 the radar information too, and he basically tells me the same thing Kevin did. 279 00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:33,519 He didn't say point seven eight seconds when I asked him how long did 280 00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:37,960 it take? He said, how long did it take you to put that 281 00:23:38,039 --> 00:23:41,200 thought together? You just asked me? And he said, that's how long 282 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,000 it took it to move down, you know, to twenty thousand feet. 283 00:23:45,319 --> 00:23:52,640 I said, okay, that sounds like about a second. So that's what 284 00:23:52,079 --> 00:23:56,640 kind of got me started on it, and we started putting everything together. 285 00:23:57,039 --> 00:24:03,799 You know. We went and talked to Lieutenant Commander Slight, who was the 286 00:24:03,799 --> 00:24:08,519 other senior pilot in addition to David Fraber who was the commander of the squadron, 287 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,559 and these two guys, and I know, I apologize to your listeners 288 00:24:15,599 --> 00:24:19,640 the way I'm jumping around here, but I guess I've gotten excited about this 289 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:25,640 whole thing. So to back up a little bit, right, radars picked 290 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,640 these objects up. They verified it. A few days later, the objects 291 00:24:29,799 --> 00:24:37,839 are dropping down into airspace that an exercise is about to begin. So basically, 292 00:24:37,839 --> 00:24:42,839 at that point, Senior Chief Day goes to the captain the shift of 293 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:47,880 the ship, James red Smith, and he says, Okay, here's what's 294 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:52,000 happening. I think we should engage these objects because they're a safety hazard. 295 00:24:53,160 --> 00:25:00,519 So the captain the Princeton agrees. He contacts the NIMITS and they send two 296 00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:04,359 aircraft, two F eighteen super Hornets from the USS Nimits, and one of 297 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:11,799 the pilots from that aircraft is the Commander David Fraber and with the other airplane 298 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:19,000 sitting as the WSO is Lieutenant Commander Jim Slate. So you got two senior 299 00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:26,960 guys right that are they're going out to check this now. They were actually 300 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,200 already in the air when they received their orders, so it's not like they 301 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,200 just left the nimits. So they're already in the air, but they received 302 00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:37,000 this order saying hey, we're going to divert you from your current exercise and 303 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,200 send you to a real life situation. And so they head out towards this 304 00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:45,519 object. Okay, we's picked up. We're going to take a break right 305 00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:48,880 there. So they're heading out toward the object and that's where we'll pick it 306 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:53,200 up after the break. We have to take a break now, So we're 307 00:25:53,319 --> 00:26:02,359 on with Robert Powell and we're talking about the us US Unimits and we will 308 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,440 be right back right after this break, all right, So we have three 309 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,759 minutes and we'll talk about other things in this Robert, and we'll pick that 310 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,480 up right when we go back. So I wonder to see if there's any 311 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,279 any questions in the There isn't at this point. So one of the things 312 00:26:19,319 --> 00:26:26,240 I've mentioned when all Hunter and I were talking is there's a number of military 313 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,400 sightings, you know, and it goes all the way back. You can 314 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,359 talk about the Foo fighters back in you know, World War two and all 315 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:40,200 that. But why do you suppose there's so many military sightings? I mean, 316 00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:45,119 am I wrong to say that there's many of them? Now? You're 317 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:52,359 not wrong, you know. It's really hard to answer that question. I 318 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:56,720 mean because on the one hand, I'm sure there's there's even more civilian sidings, 319 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,519 right, yeah, But the problem with civilian siding it's more likely you 320 00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:06,400 can get a false report, which you don't get with the military. Right. 321 00:27:06,839 --> 00:27:10,440 And the other thing is, at least in the past, all your 322 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:15,799 military sightings got recorded, and of course today that doesn't happen, at least 323 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:21,160 not in the public vein until someone comes forth like happened in this case. 324 00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:27,480 And also a Hunter mentioned that there was some probably more exciting, you know, 325 00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:34,440 encounters than the Nimitsu. Now I know that the gimbaled Ufo image that 326 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:40,519 we saw you know actually was out on the New York Times website and everybody's 327 00:27:40,519 --> 00:27:44,240 seen it. I'm sure by now that one in particular that was off of 328 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,079 Florida, and that was also a military gun camera footage, right right, 329 00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:52,440 that's correct, that that was with another carrier strike group. In this case, 330 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:59,680 the main carrier was the USS Roosevelt, and there was some similarity. 331 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,079 It sounds like there were some similarities because there was other objects just like um, 332 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,680 you know in the nimits. Well, they didn't see a lot of 333 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:12,759 other objects, but I mean they did on radar and right right they And 334 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,599 actually I had a guy in the in the service, in the Navy contact 335 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:26,319 me about that video right after it was released and told me about the four 336 00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:30,480 other videos that existed. Oh is that right? Woll Yeah, I wonder 337 00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:33,960 how many will actually get to see. Well, we got to see one 338 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,960 more, which was the fact what they called their fast fast Walker or whatever 339 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,119 it was, yeah, or whatever it was called fast something they named it. 340 00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:48,039 I see. And what were the particulars about that that sighting in Florida? 341 00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:52,839 Do you know any more details about that? Um? I mean, 342 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,799 the main thing I know is that there were four other videos, one being 343 00:28:56,799 --> 00:29:00,599 the fast video, and there were three beyond that at but those have not 344 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,480 been released, all right, general, whether or not they ever will be 345 00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:07,880 released, who knows. All right, Welcome back. My guest is Robert 346 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,279 Powell, and we are talking nimits right now. And just before we went 347 00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:18,119 into break, Robert, you said that they started heading out toward what have 348 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,400 they had no idea what these targets, so to speak, were, So 349 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,920 you can bring you know, go from there if you would, right, 350 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,680 So, at this point in time, you had two F eighteen super Hornet 351 00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:37,599 jets with two senior commanders in each jet, and they're heading to the southwest 352 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,759 of the USSIM. It's about fifty to eighty miles southwest, and they know 353 00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:45,599 their targets. At twenty thousand feet, they don't know what, you know, 354 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:52,160 what the target looks like. So they get to the point because they're 355 00:29:52,160 --> 00:30:00,359 in communication to Princeton, which is the main radar system for that strike group. 356 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,480 And then as they approached the target, the Princeton tells them you have 357 00:30:04,599 --> 00:30:10,759 merged plot, which means that on the Princeton's radar, the FA teens and 358 00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:15,480 the unknown are both at the same location, which means they're within a thousand 359 00:30:15,519 --> 00:30:19,319 feet or so of each other. So the FA teens just start looking around, 360 00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:22,799 Okay, where's this target. We don't see it on a radar, 361 00:30:22,359 --> 00:30:26,279 but you know, the princeton tells us there's a target. So as they're 362 00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:32,440 looking around, they see this object in the water, which the water was 363 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:37,759 described that day as almost crystal water, very still, no movement, no 364 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:42,039 waves, and but yet in this one area it looks like there's something. 365 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:49,599 It's almost what the commander thought was perhaps a commercial airliner he'd crashed and was 366 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:56,119 under the water, and this was the water breaking over the jet. Didn't 367 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,359 he also didn't hear it's not it's not what I've seen. But I think 368 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,640 I read somewhere that it almost looked like it had wings too, like going 369 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,640 off to the side, like a cross or something. Yeah, I understand 370 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,480 what you're saying. It's not clear to me, you know, exactly if 371 00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:15,640 he could truly make out the shape of what was under the water or not. 372 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,319 But I have heard that. So, but they do know there's water 373 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:25,000 under the object. It's causing breaking of the water as the water slowly moves 374 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,960 over it. So you know they're looking to see you. Okay, what's 375 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:33,480 happened is a boat's signe is a plane crash. And as they're looking, 376 00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:37,640 they suddenly see this other object just zipping around right over the water, and 377 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:45,519 it's moving in a totally random manner. As Captain Fraber, I mean, 378 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,079 Commander Fraber described it, It's almost like a ping pong ball the way it 379 00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:56,160 moves around, I mean, it suddenly changes directions, and so he decides 380 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,279 that he's going to head down and get a closer look because remember there at 381 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:05,440 twenty thousand feet, because that's where the target was originally found. And he 382 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:10,720 sees this object near the water's surface, so he drops down. Commanders Slate 383 00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:15,319 and the other pilots stay at the twenty thousand feet and this kind of typical 384 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:21,480 military operation, the way they operate in a combat type situation. So he 385 00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:28,480 drops down, and as he's moving down towards the object, Commander Fraber notes 386 00:32:28,759 --> 00:32:34,559 that this tik tak shape, which is the way the object looked, suddenly 387 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,200 it turns one of its points towards him, and to him, it looked 388 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:43,559 like it recognized that he was moving towards it, and the object at that 389 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,759 point begins to move towards him, and it's almost like they're doing a pirouette 390 00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:52,480 dances. He's moving down towards it. It's on the other side of a 391 00:32:52,559 --> 00:33:00,160 circle, moving up towards him. And this continues and they're always staying on 392 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,920 the obsosite sides of the circle. And at this point he's probably around ten 393 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,079 twelve thousand feet and he decides to cut across the circle to get to the 394 00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:16,079 object. Well, at that point in time, as he's dropping down rapidly 395 00:33:16,359 --> 00:33:23,599 towards the object, the object suddenly just makes a slight move and then it 396 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:30,000 basically takes off and is And here's the key thing. Is a Commander Fraber 397 00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:37,000 described is the object disappears and basically one to two seconds. And he described 398 00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:39,880 it as you know, if you're at an air show and you're sitting there 399 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:46,519 and jets go by you, it takes ten to eleven seconds before they disappear 400 00:33:46,599 --> 00:33:51,279 on the horizon. But he said, this is not what happened here. 401 00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:57,039 This object was gone in one to two seconds. Well, meanwhile, right, 402 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,599 you've got commander Lieutenant Commander Slate who's up above from a totally different altitude, 403 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:07,079 different perspective, he describes the same thing. He describes it as like 404 00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:12,360 a bullet shot out of a gun. So you've got two experienced guys, 405 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:19,000 two different angles, two different audes, seeing the same thing happen. So 406 00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:25,119 you either have to decide you don't believe these two experienced navy pilots or do 407 00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:29,760 you decide you do believe them. And if you believe them, you just 408 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:37,440 had an object disappear at an extremely rapid rate which you could calculate how fast 409 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,559 you would have to move in order to disappear from sight, and that's one 410 00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:45,960 of the things we do in our report. So that's kind of the story 411 00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:51,719 in a nutshell. So to me, it kind of boils down to this 412 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,800 did it happen? That's the first thing you have to ask yourself, did 413 00:34:54,840 --> 00:35:00,639 this really happen? In my mind, there's no doubt it happened. I 414 00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:05,320 mean, you've got a senior chief over radar who says it happened. You've 415 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:10,199 got the fire controller who saw the radar and says it happen. You've got 416 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:17,320 an experienced commander of a squadron who graduated from Annapolis and a lieutenant commander who 417 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:23,199 graduated from Annapolis, both with several thousand flight hours, who see this from 418 00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:30,000 two different angles and saw it happen, and then to kind of top it 419 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:39,719 off later about two hours later, another jet leaves the limits and Commander's Fraber 420 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:46,079 asked that pilot that if they can to take video because that plane, unlike 421 00:35:46,159 --> 00:35:52,159 his, has a flur pod on it and they pick up an object, 422 00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:58,840 which David Fraber and Jim Slate says, the same type of object they encountered, 423 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,400 and that show up on their video. So when you take all those 424 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,519 together, right, you can kind of, you know, people like to 425 00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:08,559 say, well, maybe this didn't happen on a radar, Maybe this didn't 426 00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:14,320 happen with commander or Favor, Maybe this didn't happen with Lieutenant Commander Slater, 427 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:20,360 this didn't happen with the video. But you can't say all these maybes and 428 00:36:20,559 --> 00:36:24,400 combine them all together to try to explain away an incident that happened. So 429 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:30,559 in my mind, there's no doubt it occurred. And the issue is that 430 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:37,000 the United States Navy has that information, that radar data, that raw data 431 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:42,480 was not thrown away, So there's a lot of scientific information that could be 432 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:49,119 obtained from that radar data. You know, exactly how did that object move 433 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,280 in point seventy eight seconds? Was it a linear movement or was it a 434 00:36:55,039 --> 00:37:02,320 kind of a sudden step type movement? And when the planes engaged the object, 435 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:07,719 what was the radar picking up? And meanwhile there was also a what 436 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:15,599 they call a Hawkeye aircraft. It's it's similar to a basically a plane with 437 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:21,719 radar right in the store foot dish on the top, yeah, foot dish 438 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:27,559 or so. And it has a lot of electro magnetic information that it captured. 439 00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:31,800 So a lot of a lot of knowledge could be obtained from this type 440 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:37,519 of information if it could be released to the scientific community to be analyzed. 441 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:44,000 We have a number of questions of one in chat just came in and we 442 00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:47,079 were talking about the camera running out there and uh, you know, getting 443 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,719 some footage, and so Lorraine in the chat room, I wanted to know, 444 00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:59,119 um, how do you know of purposeful upgrades to cameras to capture better 445 00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:01,679 footage? And if anyone is working on it? I think she means in 446 00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:05,559 the military, do you know anything about that? I mean, they're pretty 447 00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:08,679 sensitive now, right right, they're very sensitive now, And they were sensitive 448 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:17,360 then everyone that I talked to, and I interviewed Lieutenant Commander Slate, interviewed 449 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:27,480 Kevin Day, I interviewed. Let's see also Jason Turner and Gary Voris, 450 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:34,760 and all of those guys saw the video on board the USS Princeton, and 451 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,239 in the case of Slate, it was on board the Ussnimits, and every 452 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:43,000 one of them said that the video was a much higher quality that they saw 453 00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:47,320 than what has been released. So, I, you know, I'm sure 454 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:52,960 the video is better quality. Is to you know what happened why it is 455 00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:55,719 not of the same quality as it was that they originally saw, you know, 456 00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:00,320 I don't can't answer that. It might have been like infrared or something 457 00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:05,639 or some other type of spectrum they were recording on the one that's available, 458 00:39:06,119 --> 00:39:08,920 and well then they were both. My understanding is they were both in infrared, 459 00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:15,159 but that the infrared video is much more clear than the one that was 460 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,800 really a least too bad they didn't release that one. That's the one we 461 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,000 want to see, right, Well, I think it's the same video. 462 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:27,280 I just think the video has been degraded. The other thing that all of 463 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,400 the witnesses indicated was the video was much longer than the video that was released, 464 00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:37,880 and Commander Slate gave a very good reason for why that would be, 465 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:43,360 because he said if you're going into a situation, whether it's combat or whatever, 466 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:49,119 you don't wait until you get into the situation to turn on your recorder. 467 00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:53,159 You do that as soon as you leave the ship. And so the 468 00:39:53,360 --> 00:40:00,519 video would have begun, but prior to what we are seeing would have begun 469 00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:05,599 as soon as you know, it starts showing up. So the videos was 470 00:40:05,679 --> 00:40:09,480 clearly cut at some point for whatever reason. I don't know. Um. 471 00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:15,559 There that question came up to lou Alessandro and he had he said that they 472 00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:21,480 will only declassify M segments at a time for some reason, And I have 473 00:40:21,559 --> 00:40:27,360 no idea why. You know, maybe it's something technological that they don't understand 474 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,880 and don't want to release it. You know, who knows what that reason 475 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:37,000 would be for. Um, you mentioned of Commander Slate. Also, I 476 00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:40,800 know there was a a female. I think she was the wingman. Uh 477 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,239 and she was her first carrier deployment. Um, and she was actually the 478 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:52,119 pilot in slights or crap. Okay, so he was what's called the Wiezel 479 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,960 or whatever, the weapon the weapons system officer. Yeah, Um, so 480 00:40:58,199 --> 00:41:01,519 she's not talking. I do you know anything about her? And why is 481 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,440 she? Just? Was she terrified? Do you know anything about that? 482 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:12,480 Well, I know the identification of all of both other pilots, but neither 483 00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:15,960 one of them wants to talk, so I honor their privacy and I have 484 00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:22,920 not You know, I don't intend SEU does not intend to violate their privacy, 485 00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:28,239 So I would just be speculating as to why she doesn't want to talk. 486 00:41:28,519 --> 00:41:31,559 I just know she doesn't and we're honoring that. Yeah, Now, 487 00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:38,800 how early on did I Obviously they weren't told to not talk about the incident, 488 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,800 which I think is kind of interesting. But M and I understand there 489 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,960 was some footage on YouTube pretty early on. I don't know if for sure 490 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,400 if it was nimits or what, but it was something similar to that. 491 00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:55,360 But when do you know that people started talking about it? I mean, 492 00:41:55,360 --> 00:42:00,239 two thousand and four is quite a you know what thirteen years ago for ten 493 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,559 years ago, almost fifteen, dude, people start talking about it right away. 494 00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:07,880 Do you have any idea about that? You know? I would have 495 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:13,519 to go look at our report to give you the exact date, Martin, 496 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:22,599 but I believe it was first talked about in two thousand and seven. There 497 00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:31,639 were discussions on above top secret that site. There were also discussions we found 498 00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:38,599 on Facebook back then. In those discussed the ladder the former above Top Secrets, 499 00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:44,960 kind of a UFO type site. Right. The Ladder on Facebook was 500 00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:51,039 on a Navy Facebook site, so that that was just basically Navy guys saying, 501 00:42:51,079 --> 00:42:53,199 hey, do you remember this? Do you remember what happened? That 502 00:42:53,320 --> 00:43:00,599 kind of thing. So let's talk about your report. Is your your report 503 00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:06,679 just a factual thing that can be anyone can research? Or what is how 504 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:12,440 does that work? Well? The report is over two hundred and fifty pages. 505 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,639 A lot of those are appendices. The bulk of the support the main 506 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:23,599 bodies twenty pages, and the appendices basically support the twenty pages that are written 507 00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:29,039 a lot. And yeah, and so we wrote it basically as much as 508 00:43:29,039 --> 00:43:32,639 we could and the way you write a scientific paper. And we've had a 509 00:43:32,679 --> 00:43:40,519 peer review within the Scientific Coalition for Uthology because within our organization we have multiple 510 00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:49,239 PhDs in physics, oceanography in other areas, and you know, they're familiar 511 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:55,840 with sending papers out to various journals. So we've written it in that manner, 512 00:43:57,559 --> 00:44:01,039 so it'll be taking more seriously basically, right, right, Yeah, 513 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:05,679 we don't you know, we don't jump to any conclusions. We just kind 514 00:44:05,679 --> 00:44:09,320 of state the facts and do calculations based on the information we have available to 515 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:16,559 us. So that's how the paper's written. As far as information, I 516 00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:22,119 mean, ninety nine point nine percent of everything that we have there we had 517 00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:28,760 available to us back in March twenty eighteen, but we've taken But we've spent 518 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:34,559 this last nine to ten months basically writing, developing the paper, and having 519 00:44:34,599 --> 00:44:39,760 a paired review within our organization. So it's not like we will be releasing 520 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:45,280 some information no one has heard before. It's it's um, we're just putting 521 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:52,199 it together in a just a concise package more or less. I see. 522 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:57,480 Now, is there, as far as you know, is there any misconceptions 523 00:44:57,519 --> 00:45:01,119 about the whole event out there that's like rumors traveling around or is it? 524 00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:07,639 Has it been pretty close to factual? Well, that's that's a difficult question 525 00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:12,440 because I don't know what all rumors. You know. I avoid somewhat the 526 00:45:12,559 --> 00:45:15,719 social media sites because you know, they're they're black holes that you can just 527 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:20,400 get sucked down into. Yeah, and there's very little value in that. 528 00:45:21,199 --> 00:45:27,119 Um. I'm not aware, off off the top of my head of any 529 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,119 rumors that are necessarily not true. I mean, if you mentioned some I'm 530 00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:36,440 I can tell you if they're true or not. But well, I did 531 00:45:36,519 --> 00:45:39,519 hear um, you know, I personally did hear people were saying the object 532 00:45:39,679 --> 00:45:44,719 was above the water, not in the water. And you know, so 533 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:49,079 that's pretty much put to bed as far as as far as what you talked 534 00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:52,000 about, and you know, more of it's out there that it was something 535 00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:55,920 that was under the water and unseen, right, I mean, basically we 536 00:45:57,079 --> 00:46:01,400 deal with the object that's above the water because you know what has first seen 537 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,519 also by another pilot named Curve, which I didn't mention earlier, but what 538 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:13,639 scene you know, immediately below the water. We don't have a lot of 539 00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:19,360 information on other than you know, a total of three jets that witnessed it. 540 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,199 But other than that, we don't That's the only information we have. 541 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:27,000 So we did not spend any time on that. We spent the time on 542 00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:30,639 the object. That's we have the information on it. And before we went 543 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:35,679 live, I mentioned to you that I heard that's and I don't know if 544 00:46:35,679 --> 00:46:40,039 this is wrong or correct, that it was some people are saying that it 545 00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:46,639 was like a cross like shape in the water, But you don't really know 546 00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:51,239 anything about that one way or the other, right, Right, I don't 547 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,760 know for sure what the shape was, and I'm not sure anyone truly does. 548 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,840 Yeah, okay, So we have a couple of questions that came in 549 00:47:01,519 --> 00:47:07,360 and from Carry and this one here is what is your opinion and how the 550 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:14,400 TikTok objects seemed to be one step ahead of Commander Favor by rear reappearing at 551 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:20,880 the combat Air Patrol rendezvous location before he arrived there. That was pretty amazing. 552 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,719 Yeah, that's an interesting question, and I should explain a little bit 553 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:31,639 about what the combat area or the cap point what that refers to. Basically, 554 00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:36,719 when you have a carrier strike group, right, which consists, I 555 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:45,199 guess is a minimum of an aircraft carrier, a the ship similar to the 556 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:52,000 USS Princeton, which is a missile cruiser, and at least two destroyers, 557 00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:58,559 and a nuclear attack submarine, which in this case was the Ussis Louis Doom. 558 00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:07,960 So basically, you have that strike group and they're you know, moving 559 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,400 through and I'm I'm gonna have to apologize, Martin. I've gotten carry away 560 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,239 now. So the question, okay, on the cap point, So you're 561 00:48:16,199 --> 00:48:21,519 your F eighteen super Hornet's part of their job is to protect that strike group. 562 00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:28,559 So they have four cap points around the carrier strike group, and those 563 00:48:28,639 --> 00:48:37,719 are arbitrary, well they're not arbitrary, but they're identified by altitude, longitude, 564 00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,920 and latitude. So you've got these four points, and so you have 565 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:45,960 a squadron around each of those points or a number of jets to protect the 566 00:48:45,039 --> 00:48:52,480 group. The location of those cap points is unknown to anyone except those with 567 00:48:52,519 --> 00:48:57,239 a need to know, such as the pilots and key personnel on the ships. 568 00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:02,719 Well, what happened in this case is that after the incident, the 569 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:09,639 engagement with Commander Fraber in this object, and the object disappears rapidly. He's 570 00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:16,480 headed back to the nemits when the USS Princeton calls radios him and says, 571 00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:21,599 you're not going to believe this, but that object is back at your cap 572 00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:28,519 point, right. So what's unique in that question is the implication of how 573 00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:35,079 did the object know where his cap point was? Right? So either it 574 00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:43,519 had to know maybe somehow by observing his movement, which I don't think is 575 00:49:43,559 --> 00:49:51,280 likely, or two somehow it intercepted communications, or three you know, I 576 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,440 mean, you can get into more speculative things like well, it read somebody 577 00:49:54,480 --> 00:50:00,719 you know who knows. Yeah. But so if you assume that that is 578 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:05,760 true, right, that this object went back to the cap point, and 579 00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:10,440 that has been stated by Commander Fraber, who received that statement over the radio, 580 00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:16,360 and it's you know, being confirmed by Senior Chief Day right, who 581 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:24,400 was on the USS Princeton. You have to realize that a cap point is 582 00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:32,880 a very small point in terms of you've got this huge amount of operational area 583 00:50:34,119 --> 00:50:37,599 that the strike force is working in. Right, So for this unknown object 584 00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:45,000 to know where the cap point is says that it is. It's it's like 585 00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:50,159 it is telling them, I am aware of what you're doing. I'm aware 586 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:55,360 of your procedures. Right. It's almost like it's almost a method of communication. 587 00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:00,679 It's like, here, I'm going to communicate to you that I know, 588 00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:06,800 right, I'm not just an arbitrary point moving through your sky. There 589 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:13,400 is a certain level of intelligence to what I'm doing. Right. So that's 590 00:51:14,039 --> 00:51:17,679 I'm not saying that's absolutely what happened, right, because we don't know, 591 00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:24,599 But I'm just saying that's that question is a good question because it makes you 592 00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,960 consider that possibility. And at this point in time, all you can say 593 00:51:29,079 --> 00:51:31,800 that's a possibility. Yeah, yeah, that is pretty bizarre. The one 594 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:38,840 thing that I'm a little bit confused about is during the exercises they were flying, 595 00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:45,719 they they talk about, um that they're armed with something and um, 596 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:51,159 and they're surprised at they're armed. Did you know anything about that? Um? 597 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,360 No, they're not armed. They're not They are not armed. None 598 00:51:53,360 --> 00:52:00,639 of the aircraft they're armed. They're near US territorial waters and is Amander Fraber 599 00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:06,920 explained that would be very unusual for them to be armed while they're doing practices. 600 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,480 Yeah, and I guess that's one of the things that I that I 601 00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:15,559 heard that is not true, Right, that's not true. As a matter 602 00:52:15,559 --> 00:52:21,360 of fact, Lieutenant Commander Jim Slate indicated they were not armed, and Commander 603 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,679 Fraber made a point of saying the only armament he had he would have to 604 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:29,800 hammer off of his plane because it was a training missile that was attached to 605 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:35,280 his plane and to fire training missile. Okay, yeah, so uh. 606 00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:44,079 And there's also a time in and some of the documentation where the female pilot 607 00:52:46,519 --> 00:52:53,159 she's concerned because is they're moving into this area, right and they don't know 608 00:52:53,239 --> 00:53:00,239 what they're coming against. Uh, you know, they're presuming the possibility either 609 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,199 perhaps it's a aircraft, you know, kind of like nine to eleven, 610 00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:06,079 right, something like that. They have no idea, you know, thoughts 611 00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:09,559 are running through their head um that they might have to use their jet as 612 00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:15,599 a battering ram, right, because they don't have weapons. I see, 613 00:53:15,679 --> 00:53:21,199 I see. Um, we just got a couple of minutes left until we 614 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:28,400 go into break and um there there seems to be a lot of activity in 615 00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:32,480 the They were out toward Catalina Island not far from it, and it just 616 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:36,719 seems I mean, now there's even a UFO tour you can take there, 617 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:44,239 and there's been there's been um so much activity in that area that's pretty strange. 618 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,000 I mean, going back out. I know there was a great film 619 00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:51,880 back in the nineteen sixties. I think it was um. Um, do 620 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:57,679 you know if there's you know, is this a constant area like a what 621 00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,599 they call a hotspot? Are you aware of that? Yes, I've got 622 00:54:00,679 --> 00:54:05,360 a little bit. I haven't seen the film we referred to, But we 623 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,719 have a different project at in the SCU and that project is we're looking at 624 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:17,760 what you call usos, so these reports of underwater submerged objects and so what 625 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,800 we've done. We've you know, we've gone across history from when all this 626 00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:27,840 began in nineteen forty seven to modern times and plotting only usos. Right, 627 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:35,480 we throw out you fos, right, and we're going to do a statistical 628 00:54:35,519 --> 00:54:40,039 analysis. So this is very preliminary. So I can't say this is statistically 629 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:47,239 correct other than I look at numbers all the time and I can kind of 630 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:53,519 tell, and I would say that there are two areas in the world where 631 00:54:53,559 --> 00:55:00,880 the reports of usos are very high, and that's Catalina Island in Puerto Rico. 632 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:07,400 Those two areas have much many more reports than their population justifies, right, 633 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:15,639 because normally reports are based on population because people make incorrect reports. So 634 00:55:15,679 --> 00:55:19,280 the more people you have an area, the more UFO reports, the more 635 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,960 us reports. All right, anyone, thanks so much for listening to the 636 00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:27,760 show. This is it for the free part. 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