Hello, and welcome to the show. Martin willis your host, and we
have a great show for you this evening. One of my favorite guests.
We have Robert Powell coming up, and just a bit before that we have
Alajandro al Rojas. He'll be joining us for UFO updates in just a minute.
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And we are still looking for a blogger. I know we've had a few
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blogs and waiting to hear back from him. And let's see, we are
talking the Nimits today. I've really I guess I'm kind of stuck on that
case. I really liked talking about that. It's just one of those fascinating
ones with a lot of really great research and Robert has done that. And
on the nineteenth of March I believe it is, we have Kevin Day,
who was the radar operator in the Nimits during the sightings. He's going to
be on the show then, so I think that will just about do it
for the Nimits for us for a while. And last week, if you
missed the show, check it out. It's pretty interesting. The fighter pilot
was actually on the Nimitz during the during the incident. I didn't even know
that when I had him on the show, I had him on to talk
about other things, So that was pretty exciting for me anyway. So that's
it for now, and we are joined by Alejandro Rojas. Welcome to the
show. Hello, Thank you so much for having me my friend as always,
it's a pleasure. Yeah, and you should have a great show.
You've got Robert and which is great because he's got this report coming out and
I'm so excited to see it. In fact, I asked him to share
information with me and he said, wait for the report. So you're getting
a preview. You're lucky. Yeah. Yeah, he's part of that government
documents book that was so important. But Nimitz is really important too, because
I think probably one of the most important cases in a long long time,
and the main reason being that it's tied to this government program. And then
we have more witnesses than ever, you know, with this case coming forward.
In fact, you know, even with if you think of a big
case like Rendel from Forrest, which was a military case you know in the
UK, the United States Wars was leasing this base from the UK. You
have quite a few military witnesses from that, but it didn't have the attention,
nor was it, uh you know, an official kind of government investigation
like Nimitz is. So there's just a number of reason it's so so important,
and it's really exciting that it's getting all the attention, and so I
think it's important that we talked about it a lot. You make a really
good point, um wondering if part of the reason Rendels from Force was not
taken that seriously at the time is because it was it was not on our
land, it was in England. I'm wondering if that's part of it,
and I wonder if it would change today if that happened. That's a good
question, and you're right, that's what's interesting about the Charles Halt memo and
essentially the strategy behind the memo. So Charles Halt was the deputy base commander.
He was one of the witnesses in Rendelstom Forest, and it was pretty
much his memo to the Ministry of Defense that in the UK that broke this
whole thing and made it very big, And in his memo it was essentially
he and his boss their strategy was, well, you know, this incident
didn't really necessarily occur on the base, it occurred on English land, so
we're going to kind of pass the buck and write this memo telling them this
occurred. So really it's their job to investigate. And then the UK decided
not to investigate. There were debates, including in the House of Lords,
one of the branches of the government, around why aren't they investigating it?
But it never was officially investigated by the government. So you're right. I
guess if the American government would have taken onus, if they would have written
that memo internally, what would have happened. Maybe there would have been an
investigation. Who knows, um, It's difficult to say. Although Charles Halt
believes there was some sort of clandestine investigation that went on that he was not
even privy too, and I asked him what you think, you know,
he believes his guys were debriefed. If that could happen if some organization with
a lot of secrecy could come on base and debrief his own people without him
knowing. And he said, sure, that could happen. I just didn't
have a need to know of as to the business that these people were needed
to do on the base, and so that's possible, right right. It
is pretty amazing how when you said the need to know thing, how compartmentalized
everything seems to be in so many different ways when it comes to right military
and the government. M so getting into news that gets into a little bit
of the news, there's a there's a somewhat of a tie in that,
you know, a tip this organization was that Lui Alasando, you know ran
It's there's been some questions about it because we really haven't had much in the
way of official documentation related to all of this. We've got leaks, for
instance, many of them from George Knapp at KLAS. In fact, the
only report we have, the alleged report we have from the military on the
NIMAS case, is from a leak from George Knapp. Now there have been
other people to corroborate these leaks to confirm that they're accurate. But one of
George Knapp's leaks was a list of different sort of products they called them,
different projects or papers that his organization was working on. And luckily, fortunately
we have finally had essentially the first And you'll definitely have to ask Robert about
this, because I know he's been in like crazy around a tip and nimits
and all of this, and there's been little to no success, really no
success until recently, and that is because of these documents that a couple of
groups were able to foy and get information out of. Well, really only
one that we know has foyed it and gotten information. That's the Federation of
American Scientists. So they did a FOIA on a tip and they got some
documentation. It turned out Nick Pope had called the PR Department essentially and said,
hey, guys, you know, I've got a foia, but give
me some information, and they finally did, and it turned out to be
the same document that the Federation of American Scientists had released. And that happened
sometimes where a foia is responded to, which makes them that material public.
And so then when you call the d PR Department, especially as a journalist,
they'll often give you that material without having to have put through a FOIA,
and other researchers will do that for also, I'm sure that's happened to
Robert. So they got this document, and this document actually mentions the name
a TIP. It mentions Advanced Aerospace Threat and Identification Program, which is interesting
because his term. It's been debated what the term is, but lu Alsando
has told us it's advanced Aerospace Threat even though so many people doubt him for
some reason that you know, a TIP did UFO work or anything at all.
But there's a couple of important clues. And we've kind of talked about
these documents, but examining them, there's some information in it that's pretty important.
Essentially, they're looking for Advanced Aerospace Threat and Identification meaning the identification part
is they're identifying foreign objects, objects that don't belong to the United States.
However, what's interesting then is, Okay, who are who are these foreigners
that have this technology that is beyond our own then that they're examining, Well,
if you look at this inventory that to try to get a clue as
to you know, are they looking into Russian technology, are they looking into
Chinese technology? Well, all of these documents are all about space travel for
the most part, at least when it comes to the technology parts space propulsion.
There's stuff about cloaking, but there's traversing, wormholes and stargates. So
you see here very quickly that you know it bolsters Lose claims that what we
have here is that they were looking at unknowns. They were looking at another
possibility. He of course is hesitant like many to say they're looking into whether
or not it's extraterrestrials. But at least they had, as he shared,
been convinced that it's the Chinese or the Russians or any other government out there
that we know of, so it backs up. Of course. Unfortunately,
we don't have listed on this list like the Nimitz document, and you know,
we have this Nimitz Report. But what's exciting, at least from what
Lewis said, is that the Nimitz Report is one of very many. That
there are other cases out there. I think Robert definitely knows as a clue
of to some of the other cases that they've looked at, given what we
know about some of the videos that have been released. But supposedly, and
according to lu there were even better cases than the Nimits, and the Nimits
is an extraordinary case. So there's still a lot of information to that is
forthcoming, and even when it comes to the Nimits, we don't know the
extent of the investigation. We have this kind of almost high level executive summary
that doesn't even necessarily look to be put together by a scientist, but more
of a researcher or an investigator who talked to all of the witnesses. There's
some kind of real fringy, kind of strange speculation in the leaked document,
but Lou has confirmed it's accurate, and as time goes on. Another reason
this is helpful is that when Lu's the things that he's told us have been
confirmed and corroborated by third parties like Harry Reid or David Fraber or any of
the other NIMITS witnesses that we've talked to, then it just means that most
likely, you know, what Lou has been telling us is accurate. So
when he's telling us there's more documents to come or that more exist, hopefully
over time, you know, some of these foil requests that we've put in
will be fruitful and we'll be able to get some more of these exciting reports,
right absolutely, Well, I hope so. And it's you know that
is fascinating. I mean that there are so many military I mean, the
military involved in these sightings is fascinating to me. And I think that's a
really important case a point. You know, the UK government up until two
thousand and eight had their own UFO research program. That was the program that
Nick Pope was a part of. However, they closed their door at two
thousand and eight and two thousand and eighth they didn't want any more documents.
But Nick Pope, for instance, although he doesn't can't point to this being
you know, certainly the case felt that more of what they were saying is
they don't want public input anymore, that they've got enough information on their own.
And it's kind of similar to what a TIP was doing, because a
TIP was looking at military cases. And I don't think that's necessarily a bad
thing because when it comes to a military case, you're going to have more
records, you're going to have more credible witnesses, you're going to have even
more sophisticated equipment that is monitoring or gather data, including video data on these
cases. So these are going to be the strongest of the cases out there.
And even if you look at Project Bluebook or a number of other cases
that Robert has looked into and his colleagues in his Government Documents book that they've
put together, you know, these are really really strong cases. Do they
point to an answer that we definitely know what's going on? They don't.
But what they do point to is what lou has shared and others, is
that there's a there's a mystery, there's an observed technology that we don't know
what it is. But so far we have not seen anything, you know,
indicating like at least officially, that they've captured a crashed UFO or bodies
or anything like that. But we do at least have that it's very substantiated
that they've had these experiences with these unknown technologies that can out maneuver our most
sophisticated aircraft. Yeah, and do such mysterious maneuvers that that, you know,
especially when we're gonna be talking about that today at the news, those
are crazy. So I guess when it comes to news, you know,
there's a lot of news about these documents about the crazy stuff these guys were
looking into they don't get into some of the nuances like we're talking about where
it confirms the UFO side of things. However, what's interesting about the mainstream
media is they have had no doubt really as to what Lou and Alazondo has
said about his program, or that Harry Reid has said about the program.
They really haven't doubted Lou when he says they investigated UFO and the mainstream media.
So I think that's really important. And so when it comes to the
mainstream media, these stories I think are really interesting, and it's great that
you know, there's so much more getting out there and people know that not
only was the government or the military taking UFOs more seriously and the possibility that
they're unidentified, but also these other technology that would indicate how they might be
getting here from there, but also how we might one day get there from
here. Yeah, so all of that's important. But that's created a lot
of stories, and then of course Bluebook is creating a lot of stories still
the Project Bluebook television show. In fact, there's a Washington Post story that
just posted today. So we're seeing a lot of mainstream coverage from UFOs,
mostly from Project Bluebook to television show, but a tip continues to get into
the headlines as well. Yeah. Great, well, Hellajundre, thank you
so much. It's fun as always to have you on the show. I
appreciate it. Yeah, my pleasure. I have a great shoe. All
right, I'll talk to you next week. ACTU later. All right,
okay, everyone, So our guest tonight. Oh by the way, we
were just speaking about the documents, and you can read those actually on my
website. I have a PDF reader, So go to podcastfo dot com and
it's titled it's a second second article down Fourier reveals the DIA funded research into
UFO technology and you can scan through that. It's only five pages, but
you can scan through that document and check it out. It's really interesting.
So our guest UM Robert Powell. He is a charter member board member that
is of the Scientific Coalition of You for Uthology SEU. He's been the director
of Research at Moufon from two thousand and seven to two seventeen and created Moufon's
Science Review Board and two and twelve and it goes on and on and on.
He's quite a and he's also part of the UFO Data Project as well,
and we have a lot of talk, a lot to talk about.
Welcome to the show, Robert. Well, I'm Martin. It's nice to
be back. Yes, I think you know you were on the show the
week before the New York Times article came out, and I'll heck broke loose
as they say, You're right, we talked about the event right before before
the New York Times released the case. It's kind of coincidental. I've been
working on it since the middle of two thousand and sixteen, and then you
and I talked the week right before what was it December or seventeenth or nineteenth
or sixteenth pound came out, So yeah, it was the week before part
of that. So we have a lot of new listeners to the show,
a lot of new listeners in UFO field in general. So for the person,
I want to start out by talking about the Nimitz case, and we
will go into other topics of course, but if for the new listener in
a nutshell, if you can talk about the Nimitz case just and you know,
get get them up to speed with and then we can continue to talk
about more details on that. Sure I could do that, And if you
would like for your new listeners, I could give them a quick overview of
my background, just so you did pick me off, picked me up off
the street corner somewhere. Actually, I became involved with the UFO topic in
two thousand and seven, so I've been investigating it for almost exactly twelve years
now, and I probably averaged twenty hours a week. My degree was in
chemistry, and I became interested in this topic back and in junior high when
I read one of Jallen Heineck's books. But you know, I put that
on the shelf because you know, I had to get a job, raise
a family, make a living. And I was fortunate and that I worked
in a semiconductor field, making microprocessors. I was an engineering manager there and
I was able to retire early. And so once I retired early, I
said, Okay, what do I really want to do? And one thing
I always enjoyed was the challenge of the UFO phenomenon, and I got involved.
Then I became the director of research. Should move on. I was
there for ten years. I left there about one and a half years ago.
Then we founded the Scientific Coalition for Ufology and it's kind of been history
since then. And you know, I looked for cases that have a lot
of good information and data, and the Nimit's case was one of them.
So to give your listeners a feel for you know, how did I get
involved in this Nimits case. Well, it started back in the middle of
two thou sixteen, so I'd heard about the case then, and I found
the website that a lot of your listeners may be aware of now, which
was a Navy blog site. And when I found that site, it was
just full of Navy lingo and it was talking about this UFO case. And
the first thing I do on any UFO case is I try to filter through.
Okay, is this even worth my time? And I could tell right
from the beginning, okay, this is interesting, So I started investigating the
case. At that point in time, that blog site had a lot of
good information in it, and then I went and began sending out foy's and
I was on your show actually in December right when one of the guys who
listened to your show, by the name of Kevin Day contacted me and he
happened to be the senior chief who was over radar on the USS Princeton.
And so just within a day or two of your show. He had posted
something on your site. So I called Kevin and then he told me basically
his story of what happened. So I got I interviewed him in January of
two thousand and eighteen, and as far as I know, I was the
first person that interviewed Kevin. And it's always good to try to get all
the information you can in that first interview because you know, sometimes times in
our minds, right, it's easy for things to change, so you want
to get that information while it's still fruition in virgin So basically, this case
involved a US carrier strike group known as Carrier Strike Group eleven. It was
southwest of San Diego, right, Kevin Day was the senior chief over all
the radar guys, and so he's he's doing his usual work. They're doing
exercises, and he's detecting these objects on radar to their north and northeast up
near Catalina Island, moving at eighty thousand feet at about one hundred miles an
hour. So the first thing they do is they double check the radar.
They make sure it's not you know, problems with the radar, and they
as far as they can tell the objects are real, but they pretty much
ignore it because it's over eighty thousand feet and it's not really bothering them.
Right. Well, on the day when they're about to have an exercise,
a number of these objects dropped from eighty thousand feet down to about twenty thousand
feet and some down to sea level. And the time it took was point
seven eight seconds, which is the number that Kevin had written down and remembered
till this day. Wow. So to me, that was really interesting,
right, I've already read this blog about it. Now Kevin's told me basically
the same thing, and he has not seen this blog at that point in
time, so you know, I'm I'm like, wow, this is this
is pretty interesting. So the next thing I do is I managed to get
hold of a guy who was what they call a fire control operator, which
doesn't you would think that means he controls fires on the ship, but that's
not really what they do. They are basically part of the attack group,
you know, should they be at war. So these guys have access to
the radar information too, and he basically tells me the same thing Kevin did.
He didn't say point seven eight seconds when I asked him how long did
it take? He said, how long did it take you to put that
thought together? You just asked me? And he said, that's how long
it took it to move down, you know, to twenty thousand feet.
I said, okay, that sounds like about a second. So that's what
kind of got me started on it, and we started putting everything together.
You know. We went and talked to Lieutenant Commander Slight, who was the
other senior pilot in addition to David Fraber who was the commander of the squadron,
and these two guys, and I know, I apologize to your listeners
the way I'm jumping around here, but I guess I've gotten excited about this
whole thing. So to back up a little bit, right, radars picked
these objects up. They verified it. A few days later, the objects
are dropping down into airspace that an exercise is about to begin. So basically,
at that point, Senior Chief Day goes to the captain the shift of
the ship, James red Smith, and he says, Okay, here's what's
happening. I think we should engage these objects because they're a safety hazard.
So the captain the Princeton agrees. He contacts the NIMITS and they send two
aircraft, two F eighteen super Hornets from the USS Nimits, and one of
the pilots from that aircraft is the Commander David Fraber and with the other airplane
sitting as the WSO is Lieutenant Commander Jim Slate. So you got two senior
guys right that are they're going out to check this now. They were actually
already in the air when they received their orders, so it's not like they
just left the nimits. So they're already in the air, but they received
this order saying hey, we're going to divert you from your current exercise and
send you to a real life situation. And so they head out towards this
object. Okay, we's picked up. We're going to take a break right
there. So they're heading out toward the object and that's where we'll pick it
up after the break. We have to take a break now, So we're
on with Robert Powell and we're talking about the us US Unimits and we will
be right back right after this break, all right, So we have three
minutes and we'll talk about other things in this Robert, and we'll pick that
up right when we go back. So I wonder to see if there's any
any questions in the There isn't at this point. So one of the things
I've mentioned when all Hunter and I were talking is there's a number of military
sightings, you know, and it goes all the way back. You can
talk about the Foo fighters back in you know, World War two and all
that. But why do you suppose there's so many military sightings? I mean,
am I wrong to say that there's many of them? Now? You're
not wrong, you know. It's really hard to answer that question. I
mean because on the one hand, I'm sure there's there's even more civilian sidings,
right, yeah, But the problem with civilian siding it's more likely you
can get a false report, which you don't get with the military. Right.
And the other thing is, at least in the past, all your
military sightings got recorded, and of course today that doesn't happen, at least
not in the public vein until someone comes forth like happened in this case.
And also a Hunter mentioned that there was some probably more exciting, you know,
encounters than the Nimitsu. Now I know that the gimbaled Ufo image that
we saw you know actually was out on the New York Times website and everybody's
seen it. I'm sure by now that one in particular that was off of
Florida, and that was also a military gun camera footage, right right,
that's correct, that that was with another carrier strike group. In this case,
the main carrier was the USS Roosevelt, and there was some similarity.
It sounds like there were some similarities because there was other objects just like um,
you know in the nimits. Well, they didn't see a lot of
other objects, but I mean they did on radar and right right they And
actually I had a guy in the in the service, in the Navy contact
me about that video right after it was released and told me about the four
other videos that existed. Oh is that right? Woll Yeah, I wonder
how many will actually get to see. Well, we got to see one
more, which was the fact what they called their fast fast Walker or whatever
it was, yeah, or whatever it was called fast something they named it.
I see. And what were the particulars about that that sighting in Florida?
Do you know any more details about that? Um? I mean,
the main thing I know is that there were four other videos, one being
the fast video, and there were three beyond that at but those have not
been released, all right, general, whether or not they ever will be
released, who knows. All right, Welcome back. My guest is Robert
Powell, and we are talking nimits right now. And just before we went
into break, Robert, you said that they started heading out toward what have
they had no idea what these targets, so to speak, were, So
you can bring you know, go from there if you would, right,
So, at this point in time, you had two F eighteen super Hornet
jets with two senior commanders in each jet, and they're heading to the southwest
of the USSIM. It's about fifty to eighty miles southwest, and they know
their targets. At twenty thousand feet, they don't know what, you know,
what the target looks like. So they get to the point because they're
in communication to Princeton, which is the main radar system for that strike group.
And then as they approached the target, the Princeton tells them you have
merged plot, which means that on the Princeton's radar, the FA teens and
the unknown are both at the same location, which means they're within a thousand
feet or so of each other. So the FA teens just start looking around,
Okay, where's this target. We don't see it on a radar,
but you know, the princeton tells us there's a target. So as they're
looking around, they see this object in the water, which the water was
described that day as almost crystal water, very still, no movement, no
waves, and but yet in this one area it looks like there's something.
It's almost what the commander thought was perhaps a commercial airliner he'd crashed and was
under the water, and this was the water breaking over the jet. Didn't
he also didn't hear it's not it's not what I've seen. But I think
I read somewhere that it almost looked like it had wings too, like going
off to the side, like a cross or something. Yeah, I understand
what you're saying. It's not clear to me, you know, exactly if
he could truly make out the shape of what was under the water or not.
But I have heard that. So, but they do know there's water
under the object. It's causing breaking of the water as the water slowly moves
over it. So you know they're looking to see you. Okay, what's
happened is a boat's signe is a plane crash. And as they're looking,
they suddenly see this other object just zipping around right over the water, and
it's moving in a totally random manner. As Captain Fraber, I mean,
Commander Fraber described it, It's almost like a ping pong ball the way it
moves around, I mean, it suddenly changes directions, and so he decides
that he's going to head down and get a closer look because remember there at
twenty thousand feet, because that's where the target was originally found. And he
sees this object near the water's surface, so he drops down. Commanders Slate
and the other pilots stay at the twenty thousand feet and this kind of typical
military operation, the way they operate in a combat type situation. So he
drops down, and as he's moving down towards the object, Commander Fraber notes
that this tik tak shape, which is the way the object looked, suddenly
it turns one of its points towards him, and to him, it looked
like it recognized that he was moving towards it, and the object at that
point begins to move towards him, and it's almost like they're doing a pirouette
dances. He's moving down towards it. It's on the other side of a
circle, moving up towards him. And this continues and they're always staying on
the obsosite sides of the circle. And at this point he's probably around ten
twelve thousand feet and he decides to cut across the circle to get to the
object. Well, at that point in time, as he's dropping down rapidly
towards the object, the object suddenly just makes a slight move and then it
basically takes off and is And here's the key thing. Is a Commander Fraber
described is the object disappears and basically one to two seconds. And he described
it as you know, if you're at an air show and you're sitting there
and jets go by you, it takes ten to eleven seconds before they disappear
on the horizon. But he said, this is not what happened here.
This object was gone in one to two seconds. Well, meanwhile, right,
you've got commander Lieutenant Commander Slate who's up above from a totally different altitude,
different perspective, he describes the same thing. He describes it as like
a bullet shot out of a gun. So you've got two experienced guys,
two different angles, two different audes, seeing the same thing happen. So
you either have to decide you don't believe these two experienced navy pilots or do
you decide you do believe them. And if you believe them, you just
had an object disappear at an extremely rapid rate which you could calculate how fast
you would have to move in order to disappear from sight, and that's one
of the things we do in our report. So that's kind of the story
in a nutshell. So to me, it kind of boils down to this
did it happen? That's the first thing you have to ask yourself, did
this really happen? In my mind, there's no doubt it happened. I
mean, you've got a senior chief over radar who says it happened. You've
got the fire controller who saw the radar and says it happen. You've got
an experienced commander of a squadron who graduated from Annapolis and a lieutenant commander who
graduated from Annapolis, both with several thousand flight hours, who see this from
two different angles and saw it happen, and then to kind of top it
off later about two hours later, another jet leaves the limits and Commander's Fraber
asked that pilot that if they can to take video because that plane, unlike
his, has a flur pod on it and they pick up an object,
which David Fraber and Jim Slate says, the same type of object they encountered,
and that show up on their video. So when you take all those
together, right, you can kind of, you know, people like to
say, well, maybe this didn't happen on a radar, Maybe this didn't
happen with commander or Favor, Maybe this didn't happen with Lieutenant Commander Slater,
this didn't happen with the video. But you can't say all these maybes and
combine them all together to try to explain away an incident that happened. So
in my mind, there's no doubt it occurred. And the issue is that
the United States Navy has that information, that radar data, that raw data
was not thrown away, So there's a lot of scientific information that could be
obtained from that radar data. You know, exactly how did that object move
in point seventy eight seconds? Was it a linear movement or was it a
kind of a sudden step type movement? And when the planes engaged the object,
what was the radar picking up? And meanwhile there was also a what
they call a Hawkeye aircraft. It's it's similar to a basically a plane with
radar right in the store foot dish on the top, yeah, foot dish
or so. And it has a lot of electro magnetic information that it captured.
So a lot of a lot of knowledge could be obtained from this type
of information if it could be released to the scientific community to be analyzed.
We have a number of questions of one in chat just came in and we
were talking about the camera running out there and uh, you know, getting
some footage, and so Lorraine in the chat room, I wanted to know,
um, how do you know of purposeful upgrades to cameras to capture better
footage? And if anyone is working on it? I think she means in
the military, do you know anything about that? I mean, they're pretty
sensitive now, right right, they're very sensitive now, And they were sensitive
then everyone that I talked to, and I interviewed Lieutenant Commander Slate, interviewed
Kevin Day, I interviewed. Let's see also Jason Turner and Gary Voris,
and all of those guys saw the video on board the USS Princeton, and
in the case of Slate, it was on board the Ussnimits, and every
one of them said that the video was a much higher quality that they saw
than what has been released. So, I, you know, I'm sure
the video is better quality. Is to you know what happened why it is
not of the same quality as it was that they originally saw, you know,
I don't can't answer that. It might have been like infrared or something
or some other type of spectrum they were recording on the one that's available,
and well then they were both. My understanding is they were both in infrared,
but that the infrared video is much more clear than the one that was
really a least too bad they didn't release that one. That's the one we
want to see, right, Well, I think it's the same video.
I just think the video has been degraded. The other thing that all of
the witnesses indicated was the video was much longer than the video that was released,
and Commander Slate gave a very good reason for why that would be,
because he said if you're going into a situation, whether it's combat or whatever,
you don't wait until you get into the situation to turn on your recorder.
You do that as soon as you leave the ship. And so the
video would have begun, but prior to what we are seeing would have begun
as soon as you know, it starts showing up. So the videos was
clearly cut at some point for whatever reason. I don't know. Um.
There that question came up to lou Alessandro and he had he said that they
will only declassify M segments at a time for some reason, And I have
no idea why. You know, maybe it's something technological that they don't understand
and don't want to release it. You know, who knows what that reason
would be for. Um, you mentioned of Commander Slate. Also, I
know there was a a female. I think she was the wingman. Uh
and she was her first carrier deployment. Um, and she was actually the
pilot in slights or crap. Okay, so he was what's called the Wiezel
or whatever, the weapon the weapons system officer. Yeah, Um, so
she's not talking. I do you know anything about her? And why is
she? Just? Was she terrified? Do you know anything about that?
Well, I know the identification of all of both other pilots, but neither
one of them wants to talk, so I honor their privacy and I have
not You know, I don't intend SEU does not intend to violate their privacy,
So I would just be speculating as to why she doesn't want to talk.
I just know she doesn't and we're honoring that. Yeah, Now,
how early on did I Obviously they weren't told to not talk about the incident,
which I think is kind of interesting. But M and I understand there
was some footage on YouTube pretty early on. I don't know if for sure
if it was nimits or what, but it was something similar to that.
But when do you know that people started talking about it? I mean,
two thousand and four is quite a you know what thirteen years ago for ten
years ago, almost fifteen, dude, people start talking about it right away.
Do you have any idea about that? You know? I would have
to go look at our report to give you the exact date, Martin,
but I believe it was first talked about in two thousand and seven. There
were discussions on above top secret that site. There were also discussions we found
on Facebook back then. In those discussed the ladder the former above Top Secrets,
kind of a UFO type site. Right. The Ladder on Facebook was
on a Navy Facebook site, so that that was just basically Navy guys saying,
hey, do you remember this? Do you remember what happened? That
kind of thing. So let's talk about your report. Is your your report
just a factual thing that can be anyone can research? Or what is how
does that work? Well? The report is over two hundred and fifty pages.
A lot of those are appendices. The bulk of the support the main
bodies twenty pages, and the appendices basically support the twenty pages that are written
a lot. And yeah, and so we wrote it basically as much as
we could and the way you write a scientific paper. And we've had a
peer review within the Scientific Coalition for Uthology because within our organization we have multiple
PhDs in physics, oceanography in other areas, and you know, they're familiar
with sending papers out to various journals. So we've written it in that manner,
so it'll be taking more seriously basically, right, right, Yeah,
we don't you know, we don't jump to any conclusions. We just kind
of state the facts and do calculations based on the information we have available to
us. So that's how the paper's written. As far as information, I
mean, ninety nine point nine percent of everything that we have there we had
available to us back in March twenty eighteen, but we've taken But we've spent
this last nine to ten months basically writing, developing the paper, and having
a paired review within our organization. So it's not like we will be releasing
some information no one has heard before. It's it's um, we're just putting
it together in a just a concise package more or less. I see.
Now, is there, as far as you know, is there any misconceptions
about the whole event out there that's like rumors traveling around or is it?
Has it been pretty close to factual? Well, that's that's a difficult question
because I don't know what all rumors. You know. I avoid somewhat the
social media sites because you know, they're they're black holes that you can just
get sucked down into. Yeah, and there's very little value in that.
Um. I'm not aware, off off the top of my head of any
rumors that are necessarily not true. I mean, if you mentioned some I'm
I can tell you if they're true or not. But well, I did
hear um, you know, I personally did hear people were saying the object
was above the water, not in the water. And you know, so
that's pretty much put to bed as far as as far as what you talked
about, and you know, more of it's out there that it was something
that was under the water and unseen, right, I mean, basically we
deal with the object that's above the water because you know what has first seen
also by another pilot named Curve, which I didn't mention earlier, but what
scene you know, immediately below the water. We don't have a lot of
information on other than you know, a total of three jets that witnessed it.
But other than that, we don't That's the only information we have.
So we did not spend any time on that. We spent the time on
the object. That's we have the information on it. And before we went
live, I mentioned to you that I heard that's and I don't know if
this is wrong or correct, that it was some people are saying that it
was like a cross like shape in the water, But you don't really know
anything about that one way or the other, right, Right, I don't
know for sure what the shape was, and I'm not sure anyone truly does.
Yeah, okay, So we have a couple of questions that came in
and from Carry and this one here is what is your opinion and how the
TikTok objects seemed to be one step ahead of Commander Favor by rear reappearing at
the combat Air Patrol rendezvous location before he arrived there. That was pretty amazing.
Yeah, that's an interesting question, and I should explain a little bit
about what the combat area or the cap point what that refers to. Basically,
when you have a carrier strike group, right, which consists, I
guess is a minimum of an aircraft carrier, a the ship similar to the
USS Princeton, which is a missile cruiser, and at least two destroyers,
and a nuclear attack submarine, which in this case was the Ussis Louis Doom.
So basically, you have that strike group and they're you know, moving
through and I'm I'm gonna have to apologize, Martin. I've gotten carry away
now. So the question, okay, on the cap point, So you're
your F eighteen super Hornet's part of their job is to protect that strike group.
So they have four cap points around the carrier strike group, and those
are arbitrary, well they're not arbitrary, but they're identified by altitude, longitude,
and latitude. So you've got these four points, and so you have
a squadron around each of those points or a number of jets to protect the
group. The location of those cap points is unknown to anyone except those with
a need to know, such as the pilots and key personnel on the ships.
Well, what happened in this case is that after the incident, the
engagement with Commander Fraber in this object, and the object disappears rapidly. He's
headed back to the nemits when the USS Princeton calls radios him and says,
you're not going to believe this, but that object is back at your cap
point, right. So what's unique in that question is the implication of how
did the object know where his cap point was? Right? So either it
had to know maybe somehow by observing his movement, which I don't think is
likely, or two somehow it intercepted communications, or three you know, I
mean, you can get into more speculative things like well, it read somebody
you know who knows. Yeah. But so if you assume that that is
true, right, that this object went back to the cap point, and
that has been stated by Commander Fraber, who received that statement over the radio,
and it's you know, being confirmed by Senior Chief Day right, who
was on the USS Princeton. You have to realize that a cap point is
a very small point in terms of you've got this huge amount of operational area
that the strike force is working in. Right, So for this unknown object
to know where the cap point is says that it is. It's it's like
it is telling them, I am aware of what you're doing. I'm aware
of your procedures. Right. It's almost like it's almost a method of communication.
It's like, here, I'm going to communicate to you that I know,
right, I'm not just an arbitrary point moving through your sky. There
is a certain level of intelligence to what I'm doing. Right. So that's
I'm not saying that's absolutely what happened, right, because we don't know,
But I'm just saying that's that question is a good question because it makes you
consider that possibility. And at this point in time, all you can say
that's a possibility. Yeah, yeah, that is pretty bizarre. The one
thing that I'm a little bit confused about is during the exercises they were flying,
they they talk about, um that they're armed with something and um,
and they're surprised at they're armed. Did you know anything about that? Um?
No, they're not armed. They're not They are not armed. None
of the aircraft they're armed. They're near US territorial waters and is Amander Fraber
explained that would be very unusual for them to be armed while they're doing practices.
Yeah, and I guess that's one of the things that I that I
heard that is not true, Right, that's not true. As a matter
of fact, Lieutenant Commander Jim Slate indicated they were not armed, and Commander
Fraber made a point of saying the only armament he had he would have to
hammer off of his plane because it was a training missile that was attached to
his plane and to fire training missile. Okay, yeah, so uh.
And there's also a time in and some of the documentation where the female pilot
she's concerned because is they're moving into this area, right and they don't know
what they're coming against. Uh, you know, they're presuming the possibility either
perhaps it's a aircraft, you know, kind of like nine to eleven,
right, something like that. They have no idea, you know, thoughts
are running through their head um that they might have to use their jet as
a battering ram, right, because they don't have weapons. I see,
I see. Um, we just got a couple of minutes left until we
go into break and um there there seems to be a lot of activity in
the They were out toward Catalina Island not far from it, and it just
seems I mean, now there's even a UFO tour you can take there,
and there's been there's been um so much activity in that area that's pretty strange.
I mean, going back out. I know there was a great film
back in the nineteen sixties. I think it was um. Um, do
you know if there's you know, is this a constant area like a what
they call a hotspot? Are you aware of that? Yes, I've got
a little bit. I haven't seen the film we referred to, But we
have a different project at in the SCU and that project is we're looking at
what you call usos, so these reports of underwater submerged objects and so what
we've done. We've you know, we've gone across history from when all this
began in nineteen forty seven to modern times and plotting only usos. Right,
we throw out you fos, right, and we're going to do a statistical
analysis. So this is very preliminary. So I can't say this is statistically
correct other than I look at numbers all the time and I can kind of
tell, and I would say that there are two areas in the world where
the reports of usos are very high, and that's Catalina Island in Puerto Rico.
Those two areas have much many more reports than their population justifies, right,
because normally reports are based on population because people make incorrect reports. So
the more people you have an area, the more UFO reports, the more
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