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been looking for. You know, I give up anymore. We might change
the name of this show pretty soon. We might change a bunch of things
up real soon, because I'm fed up and tired. But before I get
there, I think we got to drop just a few more good pieces of
information under the banner the Ocelli Effect. And who do I turn to to
do that? Well, some of my good friends who have been around a
long time. John Gold is with me. Now, why is it that
John is a friend of mine? A very simple statement. A guy that
I that I just well, I personally like them, but that's not the
point. Some people I don't like, but they come with good information.
I'll still have them on the show, even though I think they're maybe not
the best people. But John is actually a good guy. And John is
the kind of guy who I might want to ask about my anti war confusions
as of late, because he might be the sort of guy who thinks like
that too, and might not be willing to jump on the cheerleading side of
various things that march us toward war, whether it be overblown sentimentality, misdirected
anger over certain things, etcetera, etcetera. But put that aside for a
moment. We were lied to about nine to eleven. That is the best
premise that I can ever present. Because of John regarding nine to eleven,
people wanted to come to me all the time, you know, especially because
of the JFK research. Who did it? What happened? Give me the
solution. They do the same thing when it comes to nine to eleven.
I mean you were in the New York City area at the time, you
definitely yes, Indeed, I was not too far from it. I've even
made the joke on this show that you could somehow pull me into a conspiracy
if you wanted to, because people have gotten crazy like that. But then
again, I'm not from the nation state of Israel. Did I just say
that out loud? I did you know what? I'm getting sick and tired
of people stuck on things like that. We're gonna get into some real facts.
We're gonna get into some real issues and real things that are going on
as we speak tonight with John Gold. We were lied to about nine to
eleven. We were lied to about nine to eleven dot com and that is
where you can go to believe it or not, download John's books for free.
He's not trying to make money, He's not trying to do anything except
well, still educate people about what's actually happening regarding one of the big wounds.
One of the things that definitely changed our reality on September eleven, two
thousand and one, that incident, those incidents, all of it, the
crap storm that formed, right, that's right. I'm not I'm not cursing
tonight because I'm not going to have him meltdown on air like I did on
Friday. Sorry about that, guys. And no, the podcast is not
going to come out, but it's in the member section anyways. John Gold,
all right, John, you know before before we get started, First
of all, Man, I just want you to know I appreciate you.
I appreciate what you do on Twitter. I appreciate what you've done in the
past. I appreciate exactly how genuine you are as a human being, first
of all, but secondly as a researcher, as somebody who is attempting to
inform others about things that they seem to have an interest and seem to want
to know about. But you know, when we get stuck on this whole
concept of well, Saudi Arabia is just the distraction, John, Saudi Arabia
is being offered up so that we can not turn our attention to Israel,
who was really responsible for that and everything else? And oh, by the
way, you know they killed Kennedy Toochuk, you know all that, which
is what they tell me all the time. Yeah, you've heard that.
Research has mentioned hell Israel has been brought up as the one responsible for Jrk's
assassination. How is it that Israel always finds this way to be the responsible
party for all kinds of conspiracies. So it just seems to work out that
way for nine to eleven. You know, there are questions about Israel and
nine to eleven no questions about Oh absolutely, I mean to say that they're
the sole party responsible absurd, absolutely ridiculous or as far as I'm concerned,
nine eleven was a crime. It was committed by you know, multiple people.
There are multiple suspects for the crime. Multiple people have earned the title
of suspect for the crime of nine to eleven. And they come from a
bunch of places, most of which come from the United States, as far
as I'm concerned. See, And that's something I believe we can definitively say,
much like your statement we were two about nine to eleven any way you
slice it, that's a guaranteed truth, okay. And to my mind,
there is an international collaboration that occurs here that must, buy necessity involve American
actors, okay, and people from other places. That's a guarantee in my
mind. You couldn't have done this without that. But go ahead, Well,
you know what you could say easily is that America Saudi Arabia have been
partners in crying for years, for decades, you know, Oh my gosh,
they've they've been They've used the quote unquote terrorist system that Saudi Arabia is
a part of to use in proxy wars. You know, just recently,
over the last twenty years, we saw Saudi Arabia use uh in a war
against Iran in Yetmen. That was a proxy war. They were using,
you know, terrorists, they sent them in the Syria, they sent them
Indolvia you know, the terrorist system is something that we collaborate and enable.
We collaborate with them to do these things, and we enable them to do
them. As far as Saudi Arabia and terrorism, this conservative. You know,
we've been doing that for years. We've protected them for years throughout the
FBI, throughout all the Alphathity, There's always been this level of protection of
Saudi Arabia. Before nine eleven, somebody by the name of Robert Wright wrote
about something called Vulgar the Trail, which was an investigation that was taking place
of the Saudi Arabia and it was shut down and rob but Right gave a
press conference pace from the FBI after nine to eleven and he broke down in
cheers talking about how, you know, there was a little warnings before nine
eleven about what was coming. You know, how he was obstructed from doing
his job, you know, because Saudi Arabia was protected. I think that's
just one instance. But since nine eleven, the day if a nine to
eleven, the Saudi Arabia has been protected. You remember the flights that were
allowed to take place of Saudi nationals out of the country and around the country
to you know, to protect them for nine to eleven. We'll see I
gotta go right to. Yeah, I gotta go right to My first awareness
of that, right because I was and look, I was not on this
like some other people, I admitted, but I first became aware of watching
a documentary by Michael Moore of all people of that actually happening. I saw
Fahrenheit nine to eleven in a movie theater, and I watched them list all
of these people they got out, Saudi Royals, members of the bin Laden
family, et cetera, et cetera. And of course the logical question was
posed in that movie. I'll never forget it. Uh. You know,
if you know of a murder suspect, right and they're they're allegedly the mastermind
behind a bunch of murders, you would generally stop and talk to their family
and friends, whoever they may be, and try and assess where the person
is. If you don't have them in custody, maybe get some evidence,
get some trails, get some things going here in an investigation. Instead of
doing that, they wanted to let those people right on out of the country.
Now, I'm not saying Michael Moore, yeah, good goodhead. Well
I'm not saying Michael Moore presents at all but ahead, yeah, yeah.
The nine Other Commission released in addendum about those flights, and it said that
terrorists were allowed to leave the country on any of those planes. But it
turns out senator from New Jersey I Frank something right like you remember his last
name, he posted the flight manifests of one of the flights that were allowed
on the country. And somebody by the name of Khalil bin Lawden, who
was the brother of Osama bin Laden, was wanted for terrorists in Brazil of
all places. So there were terrorists quote unquote that we're allowed to leave the
country on those flights. I just can't remember the name of the senator.
I have the flight manifests. I could send it to you the Mona,
But I mean, there's so many different stories that you could go to with
regard to Saudi Arabia at nine eleven. I want to focus on one in
particular, and I sent it to you. It's night. I'm just going
to read this this little paragraph. A good friend of the Bush family helped
to finance nine to eleven and was in contact with quote Omar al Bayumi,
a Sadi agent who assisted two of the hijackers upon their arrival in the US.
End quote. Omar reported quote directly to Saudi Ambassador Prince Vandar in Washington
leading up to the attacks. End quote, that good friend and Prince Vandar
are one and the same. So I just want to make sure that everybody
understand that one of the individuals that helped two of the supposed or alleged hijackers
in San Diego was answerable to the Saudi ambassador to the United States. He
also received a stipend from the Saudi invessador from the United States, Prince Bandar.
This is something that the Bush administration tried to keep secret for years.
Years. They tried to keep this a secret. During the Joint Congressional Inquiry
into nine eleven. The Bush administration made sure that the FBI did not cooperate
with the Joint Congressional Inquiry. They wanted to speak to somebody by the name
of Abdu Satar shape during the Joint Congressional Inquiry, and the Bush administration would
not allow them to. You know, there were such an and just to
be clear about this, Prince Bandar, who you're talking about. That name
sounds super familiar again, going back to Michael Morris film where he says,
here's a guy that was literally nicknamed Bandar Bush right, supposedly smoking the cigars
with him out on the veranda or whatever it is you call it there on
the White House, the porch, the balcony, I don't know, whatever
you want to call it. That's the same guy, right, or am
I you know, just mixing names? Yeah, it's the same guy.
Two days after and eleven, they were all sitting on the whatever you want
to call them, Moranda the White House, looking cigars. I think it
was Dick Cheney, Princi, Bandar, George Bush, and Condoleeza Rice.
We're all sitting there talking and I made an imaginary image of the conversation that
they were supposedly having years ago, and I can't find it right now.
Can you imagine let me see in the time of funding it really quickly hold
on, Yeah, no problem. But imagine that again, that the chief
law enforcement officer, as I've been told many times, the president is like
what the chief law enforcement officer of the United States, right, is sitting
out there with somebody who was connected directly two individuals that might be involved in
the largest mass murder in the history of the country. Forget about which country
it is. I mean, unless I'm crazy, we'll get good. We'll
get into more of that. But here's the image that you were speaking of.
I made them have this conversation. Vandhar says he here's Dick Cheney job
well done. Everybody. Let me just say that the mic the bolts are
Industrial Complex is thrilled, and Prince Bandar says glad we could do our part,
and Condo Lisa Rice says, remember, we had no idea that this
was going to happen. And that's something that she was famous for saying after
nine eleven that we had no idea if this is going to happen, and
then the very next day they were she was found to be a liar.
And then the last thing that George Bush says is I'm going to get started
on blocking and interfering with investigations. Do any of you have Tom Dashville's number?
Season I said that was because after nine eleven, a Fantruary of two
thousand two, both Bush and Cheney went to Tom Dash's officer was the Senate
majority we are at asked him specifically not to investigate the attacks at all at
all, and that to me was the piece of information that got me interested.
In No. Eleven, I thought to myself, why was the president
and vice president of all people? I want to know exactly how and why
this happened. So it was to make sure it could never happen again.
And from that point on I started paying closer attention to dudes related to nine
to eleven. And as you remember, after nine eleven, we were told
repeatedly that there were no warnings, that nobody had any idea to quote Connoy
Service, that something like this was going to happen. And then on May
fifteen, two thousand, to news of what was called the August sixth PVB
was league, which was Presidential Daily Briefing into not determined to strike in the
US, and it became famous. You know, there was only one of
the warnings, one PDB that Bush Goot Bush got thirty nine. The other
I'll kind of grow some of the long related pdb's priors and oven some of
which were supposedly worse than the August sixth PVB. But that's the one that
got all the attention. Yeah you remember it, Yeah, no, absolutely,
that's the one that got all the attention, and again it is part
of Michael Moore's movie. But later on we would discover stuff like different places
where passports were being issued. There were places where people were saying, look,
these guys that are coming into the country, these are not good guys.
They might be a problem. You had other warnings and reports, different
little bits of people trying to say there's problems here. There are people coming
in, they have plans, they have ideas. Now some of them weren't
as specific as that President's Daily Briefing allegedly, but there's a whole bunch of
different things that if someone were observant enough, they could have picked it up
from a lot of different federal agencies. And here it is. I'm not
even certain that the story that was told, you know, because here's the
thing. A lot of people will say, well, all right, so
this means that you absolutely believe in the official mythology regarding this or the official
story. No, I don't. But here's the problem. If those that
claim to believe in it acted in this way and nobody lost their job,
which I was always amazed at, nobody seemed to ever be punished for this,
you allow this happened on your watch. What it's just in oops,
this is just you know, gravity taking hold. This is inevitable. I
mean, seriously, it shouldn't somebody have been, you know, taking a
task for this problem. Whatever they have to live in. Donald Rumsfelt and
Condo Lisa Rice both started planning for war with Iraq. These weren't people that
acted traumatized by what just happened, by how the people that were destroyed as
a result of what happened. Because these aren't people who were concerned about their
next moves about how to best protect America as a result of what just happened.
These are people that were you know, were just sitting there and almost
just waiting for this to happen so that they can get their their plans started.
That's it. That's how they acted. And then I want to get
back to Yeah, I'm just going to say really quickly, there's two major
prongs to that too. Though. There is the international agenda, and then
there's the national agenda, because what did we have next? We need to
get ourselves some safety to protect our free them right, so we have the
Patriot Act, we have all that emerging. Of course, there's going to
be the Department of Homeland Security. It needs to be here. They created
that agency, they created a bunch of systems around it. There was a
plethora of actions that took place, and not the least of which is this
planning for war in Iraq. Yes, even though allegedly this was all launched
from somewhere else. And the funny thing is, again, when you're looking
at who it is that the suspects were, according to the official story,
well, those are a lot of Saudi citizens. So I don't want to
get away from the Saudi issue, but got go ahead. Well, you
know, let's get back to the Saudi issue. And I want to address
something. You just part of the team of the nineteen hijackers were Saudi citizens.
Just because they were Saudi citizens doesn't mean that it was a Saudi crime,
that it was a Saudi urban crime. And somebody, you know,
it's just like the whole the Jew thing. If somebody got it, I
don't even how to explain it. It's called collected punishment, and it's a
war crime when you hold everybody accountable to the actions of a few, which
is just what we did on nine eleven. We destroyed an entire region of
the world. As a result of what happened that day, we killed millions,
We killed, wounded, displaced, destroyed, the infrastructure of tortured,
renditioned millions of people that had absolutely nothing to do with the crime of nine
to eleven, had absolutely nothing to do with it. And and it's not
automatically held responsible, right, And look, I'm not trying to necessarily hold
sut your maybe a responsible at this point in the story that we're discussing.
I'm just saying that, yeah, but I'm just saying that it would be
more logical to look there, to investigate there though, considering that's all I'm
saying. I wrote an article years ago called you can't point a finger at
saut of Arabia and not have five fingers pointing back at the US for line
eleven. And then there were a number of reasons why, and I have
some of them in so a lot I'm going to site tonight, but I
want to cite some of the information from this Jacoban article so people understand what
happened what I want to talk about specifically, right, please please do.
And I placed the link in the chat room at ochelli dot com and it'll
also be in the show notes for the podcast. If you guys are catching
the podcast, which most of you do, so, it'll be there in
the show notes and you'll be able to follow along with John as he reads
from that article. Go ahead, John, all right. Quote Despite all
this, and even though FBI agents had reason to believe he was a satisfy,
that's Omar al Bayumi. And by the way, we've had the reason
to believe he was a satispy for years. It's just confirmed it something only
revealed in twenty sixteen, upon the declassification of twenty eight pages of the nine
eleven Commission report that former President George W. Bush had ordered to be kept
secret. The US authorities exonerated him to Omar Albyumi. The report ultimately concluded
there was quote no credible evidence end quote that Albayuni quote knowingly aided extremist groups
end quote. While the Bureau decided in two thousand and four that he had
no quote advanced knowledge of the terrorist attack and quote, nor that the two
Hydat fairs to be were members of Al Kaita, this latest release makes this
claims a lot less Tendmabal. According to an FBI communicate dated to June twenty
seventeen. From the late nineteen nineties to September eleven, two thousand and one,
albay unique quote was paid a monthly stipend as a couptie of the Savy
General Intelligence Presidency, the GIP, the country's principal spy agency. The document
notes that while his involvement in satty intelligence wasn't confirmed at the time of nine
to eleven tvission to report, the Bureau has now confirmed it. In a
separate two thousand and seventeen document, Bureau officials judge quote, there is a
fifty fifty chance alba Uni had advanced knowledge the nine to eleven attacks for it
to occur now quote. More on that, the report directly inplicates a member
of the Saudi royal family and government Albayumi's monthly stipe and was paid quote Leah
then Ambassador to the United States, Prince Bandar Ben Sultan al sad End Quote
its States and any information Albayumi collected on quote, persons of interest in the
Saudi community in Los Angeles and San Diego, and other issues which met certain
GOP intelligence requirements would be forwarded to Bandar end Quote, who would quote then
inform the GP of items of interest to the GP for further investigation, writing
of any or follow up end quote. So that's from the jacovid article.
So basically, do you understand what happens from the Oh yeah, yeah,
we found out. We found out later one of the not even though he
was exonerated at the time. Later on it's discovered go ahead. But later
on it was confirmed that he was a savvy spy, that he answered directly
to Prince Bandar, that it received a stipend from Bandar, and that there
was a fifty fifty chance he had to dance knowledge of the nine to eleven
attacks. Now can you imagine if he answers directly to bandor what kind of
conversations you know, he could have been having with Bander. I mean,
there was a time, and I want to get into my article because my
article really gets home as far as what questions need to be asked if you
don't mind him and try to do that now, yeah, no, absolutely,
because here here it is in my mind, this is where big questions
need to be asked, because look, right off the top, somebody would
say and get given okay. In August of two thousand and one. I
had no idea that this was going to happen. So what information could somebody
have to even have a fifty fifty chance of knowing? Right? What did
they have access to that was directly connected to this, so that they even
have a fifty fifty shot at knowing about an operation that would lead to nine
to eleven? That would be question number one in my mind. But no,
let's hear from your article and what you have. Well. I wrote
an article called a damned Good Question, and it was a tribute to the
at war quote. I was listening to my interview with Paul Thompson, which
in parentheses, which by the way, is price was in parentheses. Now
we talked about we quote flip theory concerning the two alleged hijackers in San Diego
put forward by Richard Clark. The idea was so they would have operatives inside
of al Qaeda. I don't agree with it. What I know is if
the CIA was protecting two of the alleged hijackers, and that's reason enough for
people to be held accountable and for truths to be sold and quote. So
this is from my article. So I was thinking, if prandar If Fritz
Vandar helps to finance al Qaida and nine to eleven, then that technically makes
him a member of al Qaida. I can't think of a better plan to
get inside of al Qaida. He was good friends with George Tennant, then
the director of the CIA. George used to go to his house, swimming
his pull and go on drunken trades about Jews of all things. I'm sure
they spoke about a lot of things. Prince Vandar was good friends with the
Bush family, so close he was referred to as Bandar Bush. Now listen
to this. This is before nine to eleven. On March fifteen, two
thousand and one, George Bush was meeting with Prince Bandar, one of the
financeers of al Qaida and nine to eleven, and talked about Iraq. Bush
said, quote, if there is any military action, then it needs to
be decisive that can finalize the issue end quote. And that quote, the
Iraqi opposition is useless and not effective end quote. Months before the pretext nine
to eleven that enabled the Bush administration to go to war into Iraq. So
he was having a discussion about military action in Iraq with somebody who helped to
finance al Qaeda and nine to eleven. Okay, now, one day,
one day, Dick Cheney invites Prince Bandar to his West Wing office. Donald
Ron Selvin, General Myers are present. Myers brought quote top secret map of
the war plan and it says quote top secret, no foreign no foreign means
far. No foreigners are supposed to see this end quote quote they describe in
detail of the war plan for Bandhar. And so Bandhar, who's skeptical because
he knows in the first Golf War we didn't get Saddam out. So he
says in Cheney or two Cheney and run sells quote Sazan, So Saddam this
time is going to be out. Period. And Cheney, who has said
nothing since the following Prince Bandhar once we start, Saddam is toast. Now
because of the fact that the President of the United States is talking about the
need for quote decisive end quote military action in Iraq with one of the financiers
of al Qaeda, and nine eleven, because Prince Bendar also wanted war with
Iraq, and because nine eleven was the pretext that enabled the Bush administration to
go into Iraq. That brings up the question of whether or not a collaborative,
a collaboration between the Bush administration and Prince Vandar to bring about the nine
to eleven attacks took place. It's not a theory. It's a damned good
question. After all. Ten days after his inauguration, at his very first
Principles meeting, Bush asked his subordinates, quote, go find me a way
to get into Iraq end quote. One of the first things the Bush administration
did was tell the different Elphabet agencies to quote back off the Saudi's and the
bin Laden's, an action that Senator Bob Graham said, if true, would
be a quote very serious charge. It sure seems to be, because the
famous John O'Neill complained about not to mention the quote visa Express program end quote
that was implemented before nine to eleven, which only applied to Savvy review,
which some of the Legend hijackers took advantager. The Bush administration shut down the
DA's Project Monarch, which was a program to monitor savvy citizens. According to
Richard Clark, in the months before nine eleven, members of the Bush administration
discussed creating a quote Castle's Belli end quote for war with Iraq. When I
asked Richard Clark on Facebook as opinion of whether or not people in the Bush
administration were capable of such a thing, he said, quote some of them
were. When none eleven Commissioner John Leeman asked George Bush about d andre and
nine to eleven, he quote dodged the questions. And we found out recently
because of the fact that George Bush and is a separate from an article,
because George Bush and Dick Cheney's MFR and then there had up for the Becker
from then on. Eleven Commission was released ten years after my friend Eric lost
Larson Floyd Ford, which was basically a description of what was discussed during an
eleven Commissions meeting with Bush and Cheney. It showed that, you know,
John Leeman didn't asked the tough questions that he said he did, and he
said book I asked him the questions, He dodged the questions. He turned
his back to me. When John Leeman was asking Bush about Bandar, he
turned his back to him. So, anyway, let me get back to
this to my article and then so let me see when non eleven Commissioner John
Leeman asked George Bush about and our nine eleven. He dodged the questions and
then went outside and told the world that he quote answered every question end quote.
They asked when the nine eleven commissioner question, when the nine eleven commission
question band or they didn't even bother to ask him about his connections financial or
otherwise to nine eleven. Hold on, no, hey, take take your
time, you know, John, if you want, we can also take
a break here, No, no problem, and you know, give you
a couple of minutes to continue, because look, the only logical question in
my mind at this point is pretty simple. It's if if they're asking him
about this a couple of days later, Okay, they're talking to him about
this a couple of days later. The only question here is do they know
that he's involved or do they just think they're discussing this with someone who could
be helpful in the effort? Right, That's the only thing that you would
need to pursue if you were trying to keep an open mind here. But
otherwise it makes no sense. And also, I mean the idea that somebody
would go out and grandstand of the press and whatnot afterwards and say I asked
all the tough questions. Of course you can claim that because this stuff is
never supposed to really see the light of day. And again, you know
how long did it take before anybody knew what the contents of their discussion was.
It wasn't broadcast on TV. It wasn't open to the public, right,
They weren't even sworn in, right, the recordings were transcripts were allowed,
right, Only a certain number of people were allowed in there. You
know. It was so you can so you could walk out to the press
afterwards and tell them anything. I asked five hundred questions. It doesn't mean
that you'd asked even one. You could say anything because nobody had the privilege
of being able to back it up with a memorialization outside of this memo,
which just gives a basic rundown of what happened. But even so, it's
all we got because there's no recording. There's no transcript right, right,
Okay, the transcript or is an MFR. It was really thanks to Eric
Larson, which which did describe a few things. And the families were furious.
It's you know, John Leeman. It's funny I contacted because John Leeman
is the one who supposedly asked Bush about Bandar. I contacted him a few
months ago through his lawyer office, through the lawyer's office and asked him a
couple of questions, and he said that all the information that he bought the
questions was false information. Now, all of a sudden, when this stuff
comes out, he's coming back to his dodges the questions. He turned his
back to me, so he lied to me. And then when this information
came out, he reiterated st He told Phil Sheenan who first broke the story,
that he dodged the questions about Bandar. So, anyway, let me
get back to this article of Jacob and recently came out of an article that
talks about even more incrimination, even more incriminating information concerning Bandar in it,
they say Thomas Keen. I'm furious the Keen has the goal, the same
anger as if he didn't know about the nine eleventh Commission, not asking Prince
Bandar the tough questions or Bush dodging questions about Bandar. Anyway, I don't
believe the flip theory. On top of that, I've shown that we had
access to one of the most important insiders of al Qaeda, So why would
need to flip those two hijackers at all, and then in parentheses because I'm
being slightly sarcastic here, I say, I'm saying that with a sly angry
smile across my face and planteses. Prince Vandar even admitted that Saudi intelligence was
quote actively following most of the terrorists with precision end quote. He says that
quote US Secretary security authorities never engaged their sounding counterparts in a serious, incredible
manner, and that's why nine eleven happened. But I wonder if he quote
engaged members of the Bush administration. After all, if he wanted a terrorists
attacks takes place, Prince Vandar would be the guy to go to. Remember,
he threatened London with terrorist attacks quote unless corruption investigations into their arms deals
more halted and quote former FBI Director Louis Free was his lawyer at the time.
He also sent in terrorists into Syria and to try to take out aside.
There was something called the a E scandal arm scandal which had Bandar involved
in it. And he's threatened the terrorist attack against London unless the investigations.
By the way, that's the kind of person he is, Yes, so
anyway, because this is the anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, I posted
the quote there. It was responsible. They're being invited on Ellen to promote
their book, They're getting apologies from Keith Olberman. Their history is being rewritten
as to put them on the pedestal instead of the Hague where they belong.
End quote, and I said, oh, yes they do. By the
way, isn't it a disgrace that Prince Bandar's daughter is now the Saddi ambassador
to the United States. Also, for some reason, Bandar refuses to testify
in the law suit brought on by the Nine Let Him Families against Saudi Arabia.
See. Now, this is the thing I want to hit on next,
because you know those that say that Saudi Arabia has just been you know,
scapegoated here and so on and so forth, despite all of what you
just brought up, by the way, which means either they had knowledge of
or were directly involved in the events that took place one way or the other
as far as I'm concerned. But you know, maybe I'm reading it wrong.
There's my sarcasm. Okay, Well, here's the thing. You know,
it's interesting to me that a lot of these guys don't realize that that
that's still happening, but there's things going on here, Like okay, Bandar
Bush they want him, you know, I keep calling them bandor Bush.
Sorry, Prince Bandar. They want him to testify because well he would be
a guy with some knowledge on the events, clearly, so what's going on
there? What is happening? I mean, people have said to me nothing
is going to happen there, and maybe they're right, because I don't have
much base in any of the legal systems to come to logical and clean conclusions
about anything. But maybe you could explain to people, you know, what
action is actually taking place and what you mean. I mean Prince Bandar's refusing
them testify now, yeah, will be. For years, the families weren't
allowed to sue Satirabia because they were able to clean sovereign immunity. And then
the families fought for something called just the Justice against sponsors of terrorism, which
enabled them to sue sati Rabia even though they weren't they were not listening in
the State Departments terrorist in this that's a funny list the State Department has of
which countries are considered terrorists. You know, Sati Rabias the number one chief
financier of terrorism in the world, and they're not on that list, but
I Ran is on that list of course. You know. Anyway, the
families have a lawsuit that's going on right now, that's been going on for
years. They've been trying to sue saty Rebia to to get some form of
justice. But the thing is they brought nine to eleven into a court of
law, okay, And that's one place the government does not won eleven to
be They would prefer the non eleven be tried in the military commissions when they
have absolute control. You know, there was a time when Obama said he
was going to try Cola shit Mohammed in the nine eleven five in federal in
federal courts in New York and people went ape shit. Republicans on the right
side went absolutely ape shit and brought up all these things that they were gonna
be bring dangers to the people in New York for trying these people. And
the federal courts in New York City have a on a you know, a
rating on a like what's the word of the before something rating that they have
a rating that's really high. I can't think of the word. It's almost
like approval rating that they have the abilities or they've they've been successful prosecuting all
the conviction rate prosecuting. Yeah, they have a great prosecution record. Yeah,
conviction rate trying terrorists they have. Yeah, they have a great record
of trying terrorists. So why can't we keep the nine eleven five and try
them to New York Federal court where the crime took place, where you're supposed
to to happen. And that's because every time n Leon makes it into a
court of law, we learned a number of faces, Like during the Missaui
sentence in phase which was often referred to as the Missawi trial, we learned
that, you know, the FUI was aware for years that I've kind of
planned to smash planes in the buildings and stuff like that, whereas we were
told that we had no idea that this is going to happen, that nobody
ever saw the idea this is going to happen, even though hijackings had taken
place within the US with the intention of crashing into buildings before nine eleven.
Yeah, but the mantra in place. But like you said, the mantra
that came from not just Condolza Rice, but many other officials from the Bush
administration was repeatedly, no one had any idea that this kind of thing could
happen. This the idea that they presented that the projection was that this was
an absolute surprise. You know. Of course, people brought up did the
different drills and said, look, you guys had a drill here though that
said this is a possibility. And what they say, well, look they
imagine a million scenarios. It could be one and a million thing. You
know, they kind of discounted that. Sorry, go ahead. During the
g conference in July or two thousand and one, Bush and his family and
Kandalisa Race all slept on the boat because there were threats that the summer beIN
Lawton was planning and crashing a building, for crashing a plane into a building
to take out the president. So just two months before nine eleven, they
took precautions to protect the president against the plane crashing into a building and killing
him. So there you go, as far is their idea of what they're
aware of. Well, it was a credible enough threat for them to take
security precautions. Only a couple of months before, which means that somewhere along
the line, this was thought to be a credible, actionable threat in this
type of action, right. I mean, it's it's that simple, isn't
it. Yep, that's one thing I want to talk about the flip theory
fast, yeah, please do. Years ago, years ago, raying Noachelski,
John Duffy did a whole bunch of work on what was called who is
Rich Blue? Who was the head of the All Decision, which was the
CIA's the laudern unit for years. They wrote a book called Watchdogs Didn't Bark
And it's all about the how the CIA protected two of the alleged high jackers.
Anyway, they got a statement from George Tennant, coof of Black and
Rich bl years ago that nobody seems to be reporting on, and I wrote
something not being reported on by anyone that I could see. On August thirty
eleven, George Tenant comfort Black and Rich by All released a statement that said
quote. Mister Clark went on to speculate, which he admits is based on
nothing other than his imagination that the CIA might have been trying to recruit these
two future hijackers as agents. This much of what what mister Clarke said in
his interview is utterly without foundation. So they denied it. So I mean
and maybe this years ago. We've known about this information for so long,
you know that this whole foot SERI nonsense. And like I said, they
had the number one person they could have had in the world as an insider
of outsider in Prince Bandar. You know, did he share what he knew
with the Bush administration if you want to look at it that way. Well,
just to oversimplify this for the listener, John, what you mean to
say here, just to be clear, is that ere look like they've done
in other instances. Sometimes it appears as though somebody tries to recruit somebody for
intelligence work, whether that be you know, deep dark stuff or just intelligence
gathering, surveillance, etc. What have you, and they attempt to recruit
them as a human asset, right in human intelligence. And what happens is,
hey, look, that guy gets turned back around against the person trying
to recruit them. It's a typical spine novel trope. It's a typical sort
of concept and does happen real world okay, where you have people that appear
to be being recruited and really, all they're doing is gathering intelligence on the
people that are attempting to recruit them, which I argue our our our friend
there, Uh well gee, now what was his name? Oh? Yeah,
beag Daddy, right, who's probably gonna pop up and die again pretty
soon. I don't know. Have they killed him finally? Anyway? Right?
You remember bag Daddy? Well he was okay, Well, I think
that that guy was definitely one of these guys who a whole bunch of people
tried to lay their hands on. And who he ended up working for is
probably still not totally known, but he was an asset for sure, and
probably one that had enough connections in particular places to be useful because, as
we've learned by reading even the CIA's you know, Assassination Guide, they're willing
to hire or anybody who has access to things, doesn't matter what their criminal
association is, doesn't matter what they're alleged you know alignments are when it comes
to the world, the geopolitical thing. Do they hate America? It doesn't
matter. They'll use anybody in any circumstance to get jobs done. So we
know that about our own CIA and other intelligence agents, military intelligence, etc.
They will do this, and they'll try and control some of these assets,
and every once in a while they'll burn one too, right, I
mean, this is just the way it's done. So this concept that some
of these guys who were the you know, nineteen hijackers, unless you count
Musaui as the twentieth. Right here we go, these guys, some of
them, maybe they were people that we were trying to recruit. They got
in and got away from our guys who were trying to recruit them. But
in that case, if we know the Saudis had eyes on them, we
allegedly or try to recruit them and therefore would have some sort of surveillance on
them. But how is it we didn't know this was coming again, you
know, that's one problem. Even more aware of anything, the CIA was
aware. You know, it was a Saudi supposedly joy operation between the CIA
and Saudi Arabia. And I wrote, I don't have a problem with the
idea of the CIA work quote secretly working hand in glove end quote. I
have a problem with the idea that it was quote to recruit Hamsey and Nidar
as performance end quote. As I showed above, the Bush administration already had
the perfect insider into Al Kainda. It doesn't get any better than Dan Dar,
especially when you consider the recent news that Omar al Bayam, someone who
helped the alleged hijackers quote reported directly to the long time Saudi ambassador to the
United States, Prince Bendor, a close and longstanding family friend of the US
President George W. Bush. Right, So, I don't you know they
were protecting them. That's enough reason to stop everything, to put the brakes
on everything and say what the fuck? Why were you doing this? Why
were you protecting them? You know, as a result of you protecting them,
you know, nine to eleven happened. Let's say, but there were
you know, the Saudi Arabia is not the only cover up pertaining to nine
to eleven. There's so many of them, so many the military jowls that
were taking place that day that caused confusion on the ground. We hadn't documented
that it was. There was confusion on the ground. But people in the
ground say that there was confusion, and the people at the top say that
the war games caused a better response. And yet none of the plays were
interested did that day. So who's telling the truth? Well? Right,
the nine eleven Commission couldn't couldn't be bothered to talk about the military drills taking
place that day. They addressed in one of them is the back of the
book at a footman, right, and look we we have also been through
the whole, you know, the radar operators asking if something is a real
world thing or it's there were simultaneously things going on that were clearly drills and
exercises and what that has nothing to do with this, you know again,
well good, Yeah, the nine eleven Commission was man needed to give the
quote full and complete accounting end quote of the attacks of Final eleven and everything
that they admitished from their report. Everyone they didn't talk to, all the
whistle blowers that he ignored, shows that they failed in their mandate. And
this has been twenty years already. Or their report was released in July two
thousand and four, it's been christ twenty years or since however many years it's
been since everyport was released. About nine nineteen cents the report was released,
but twenty two cents the incident, right, So you know, pick and
choose where you want to where you want to mark the line. Either way,
let's go with the low number, nineteen years and long enough ahead.
Well, the families, it's always been a mainstay of the Non eleven Truth
movement to support the families and what we're doing when they're seeking truths, accountability
and justice, and the families are involved in this lawsuit, and we've always
supported the families. You know, before the nine eleven Commission, the Jersey
Grows before where it was responsible for the creation of the Non eleven Commission,
they were on the television all the time. During the Non eleven Commission,
They're all on the television all the time. They were immedia darlings. And
then once the nine eleven report was released and the official story was set in
stone, they became persona non grata. They were not you know, they
were releasing all these press releases that called them the question this and that and
the other thing about the nine eleven that we're being ignored and this has been
twenty years, nineteen years, whatever you want to call it. Well,
once they released the once they released the book, right and the graphic novel,
because let's not forget the graphic novel, uh, you know, the
comic book version. Once they released those two things, John, that that's
the end of it, right, I mean, well, we got we
got our answers, and what were our answers? I'll leave it open.
Their imagination a failure, I can imagine. Yeah, no one could have
possibly thought this was going to happen, even though John just pointed out about
five six instances where it wasn't just imagined, it was thought to be a
credible threat, and you know people might have actually reacted to it, etc.
Oh, let's paying no attention to that. But it amazes me that
people that claim to care about this have forgotten about this part of it.
Okay, they're not mentioning it. They're not talking about the lawsuit, they're
not talking about what could be revealed here, they're not talking about any progress
because it's all over. They have an answer ahead. The truth movement is
the one that I knew, the one that supported the family seeking truth,
accountability and justice, the one that supported the nine eleven first responders seeking healthcare,
the one that's trying to put an end to the closet nine eleven world
using the truth. Something we've been to not buy our government that no truth
movement is dead and gone. You know, it's just gone. They care
more about their theories and arguing about bullshit than than doing the right thing.
Somebody brought up somebody brought up this argument. There's old argument that there were
no planes on nine to eleven. Do you know how many hours I spent
arguing with people about that ridiculous quan? How many hours wasted on that ridiculous
quan? How many kinds have been used against us to discredit us? You
know, that's what it's for, those kinds of things, right, Well,
no, but that's precisely yeah, I'm sorry, but that's precisely how
it is. You undermine any legitimate work here once you claim that it's all
a fiction anyway, all right, and you lay it out there and you
attach that to anybody who was seeking an alternate explanation to the official narrative,
that's it. You know, just like all these people that say, well,
you know what, are you one of those idiots that thinks John F.
Kennedy actually came back as Jimmy Carter? You know, no, I
don't. I'm not one of those guys. Are you one of these people
that says there was absolutely no planes? They often will yell at me repeatedly.
You know, nobody saw any planes that day, and I go,
but I was in that area and knew people that saw planes that day,
that saw this, that saw yes, that were there. I know that
I was in Jersey. I know that I wasn't in New York that day,
but I knew people in New York. I knew plenty of people in
New York, and believe me, I knew people that were not far from
there. I don't want to give out names, but I might even know
a person's name or two that some people might know. You know who have
been dragged through the mud on this stuff, already accused of a claiming of
fiction. They didn't actually see a plane. Yah, they did. They
saw a plane, they saw it, they reported it then. And I
didn't question this John until two thousand and eight myself. Okay, I didn't
get it. I didn't get a question in my mind until two thousand and
eight, outside of what I saw in Michael Moore's movie, where I said,
well, something's being covered up, but I didn't know what to do
with it, you know. But I didn't really start to heavily question until
two thousand and eight. So the stuff that I was getting was just the
raw reports. You know. I heard about that. I heard about my
friends who went there, and I heard about you know, the people that
I sent stuff to because they locked down the island that day. I tried
to get on there to help dig people out. Okay, that's what I
tried to go from my job to go do and ended up just sending in
cases of water from my job, my business. I ended up sending in
you know, gloves and masks and stuff like that to help people dig,
because that's how close I was to it. I'm not claiming that I'm special
or anything or pat me on the backboard. I'm just telling you what I
did, okay, and what I was concerned with. And I wanted to
see if we could save anybody at first, and any of my friends who
had construction or whatever who got onto the island, who got there as quick
as they could because they shut the tunnels, they shut the bridge, couldn't
get from Jersey to New York for a while there. Yeah, I decided
it was best for me to send supplies in because they needed stuff to be
able to dig, because it was all a volunteer operation to begin with.
Okay, that's what I did, and I knew people that were there.
I knew people that were there and knew people that were traumatized directly. I
knew people that all of a sudden just saw this sweeping dust come down.
I knew people in Jersey City who couldn't believe the crap that floated across the
river and ended up all over where they lived. I knew that too.
It's not you know something they just showed you on TV. There were things
that happened. There was physical evidence of it. I know about it from
people at a distance, from people right there, from people who looked up
overhead and were scared to death that day. Right, my own wife calling
me up. My first wife called me up, begging me to take my
daughter out of daycare so that I could bring her home because we had military
bases near us and we thought the country was under attack. John, Right,
that's the reality of that day. That's the reality of good I remember
going to two in the airport, a local airport, and all of a
sudden, they were military people there from sixteens and it was a small,
small airport. Right. The changes happened instantaneously, instantaneous, the pre nine
to eleven world to the post nine to eleven world, we can no longer
have a pre nine eleven mindset. Do you remember that? Oh yeah,
yeah, absolutely. Look where I was, where I was working at a
when I went back to work that day, all right, where I was
working out of is an area near where the Himmenberg crashed in New Jersey,
Okay, at Lakehurst Naval Air Base. Right, So I'm not far from
there, which is right around a couple other military bases. McGuire and four
Dicks are right in that same area. So there are military you know,
borders. Let's say there are military perimeters that are generally guarded by people,
right, and they're just guys that would sit in little guard boxes, you
know, with little gates, and you could get on the base if you
had permission in this kind of thing, right, So those guys who were
dressed in a certain kind of uniform were instantly in a different uniform. And
instead of maybe carrying a side arm that you didn't really see, we're carrying
M sixteens at helmets on. There were tons of them, and there were
armored vehicles rolled all over the place to block gates. That's in New Jersey,
a place that wasn't even under attack. Right, Okay, So I
saw that happen immediately immediately, and tanks rolled in civilian streets to get from
place to place to go between those bases. By the way, Okay,
so that was what was happening there and what I was hearing about from all
over the place. While our computer systems went down, our credit card systems
went down, the banks stopped working, some cell phones stopped working, and
it was because of the disruption that was caust Okay, very very simple.
That happened instantly. We were in a new era instantly. Anyway, I
don't mean to drag you through my personal memories, John, I'm just saying
that the people that try and act like it was just something they showed you
on TV, that there wasn't real world effects, that there wasn't real world
things happening, that there wasn't you know, it's it's all just made up.
You know, those are holograms or those are you know they that's just
what they showed you on TV. Right, nobody ever actually saw it.
And plus, by the way, there's more than one crime scene, because
don't forget about Pennsylvania. I don't know what to say about that, but
I know it's part of it. And I know Washington, DC is part
of it. And what happens there right now these guys or not the hijack
hijacking, Yeah, well, and that's being reported on by the right.
And that was the other thing is that there were other places too. I
I don't know if you remember it, but we were getting reports of what
there was a plane in Cleveland, there was a plane here or there.
They took all the planes out of the sky that day. Everybody had to
be grounded, right, everything was grounded. There was a lot going on
Tuesday play the Tuesday plane, which is the what is it, the one
for the I forget, which is for the continuity of government? Yeah,
the wild those white jets that people did spot in footage later, right,
those things were up in the air. Those things were up in the air.
And uh and of course I wonder who on those plane, who was
supposed to be in charge of the event? Yeah everybody? Yeah, did
we ever get an answer about that, because of course we got the answer
about Dick Cheney being in a bunker. You know, he was underground somewhere
doing his thing. And we've heard from the former CIA director and Transportation Secretary
right Panetta. We we've heard from him, we've heard from others about that
whole situation. But who was in those flying fortresses? I have no idea,
none of none, whatever the number of questions about bushing the class for
like cho, there's so much stuff about nine eleven. But you could literally
sit here for days and just talk about stuff. And I'm just trying to
bring attention to one point that a good friend and the president, somebody who
was talking about the need for war with Iraq prior to nine to eleven,
they're talking to somebody who helped finance nine eleven before nine eleven is great,
And you know, nobody thought to think or they who we should ask Bush
about his relationship to Bandar and whether or not, you know, the both
of these people wanted to war with Iraq. One of them paid for it,
and you know, apparently was involved with the operational you know, part
of it, you know, as far as being in charge of Omar al
by Uni, you know Bandar. Should we talk to these people for twenty
years? Well, John, do you honestly believe that somebody wants to come
forward at this time and admit that you know, well, first of all
we know, just at this point in time, that that the destruction of
a sovereign nation under false pretenses took place when it comes to Iraq. I
mean that's just a fact, okay, because they remember they had yellow cake
uranium, they had weapons of mass destruction. Saddam was supposed to be tied
to nine to eleven, all of those things simultaneously out there. Yeah,
So that was the thing, right, And they preyed upon this national wounding,
this idea that a design a need for vengeance right was gonna well up
in the American populace, which it did, John, It did approval reading
after nine to eleven, which basically gave him a green light to do whatever
the hell he wanted to do because our military is concerned, right, And
that's what he did exactly two He started two wars in we're talking about and
the Ukraine. I could do that real fast. Yeah, I'd like I'd
like to do Yeah, I'd like to tie a bow on it with that
and get your viewpoint on that, because again, you're you're a legitimate anti
war person, and I am having a hell of a hard time navigating through
this mess because you know, people have tried to press pressure me to be
uh A financially directly all kinds of different ways. People have punished me for
not siding with Russia of all things in what's going on here, and uh
of course, the American people are angry on The American people are angry at
this point in time because we're all feeling a financial pinch, and the idea
that we're sending money anywhere is problematic when we're all suffering here. Some people
might say, wouldn't that money be better spent relieving the suffering of the American
people? And I get that, and I'm with that, but and I
don't want to support a war of any kind. But at the same time,
you know, this is a complex situation. What are your thoughts on
the Ukrainian thing? If you want to go ahead and tie a bow on
this conversation with that, I'll let you have the floor, you say what
you want, and we'll close it out. All right, here we go.
This is a long, short story. After nine eleven, we'll actually
in July of two thousand and one, Bush and putin we're having a discussion
without the ABM Treaty, the Anti Ballistic Missile Treaty and he Putin told Bush
that it was important to be in team that treaty after nine eleven, and
one of the persons Bush did was eat it away with the Anti Ballistic Missile
Treaty. As the year's progressed, all the anti Russian rhetoric started to come
out of the woodwork, as far as media was concerned, as far as
our politicians were concerned. After the fall of the Soviet Union, we were
told the Soviets were our friends. They were our friends for a decade until
nine eleven happened and all of a sudden Russia was no longer our buddies,
but they were portrayed to be. And then in two thousand and eight,
something called the Russia Georgia War took place, and at the time Russia was
blamed just taking the first shot, but it was found out later that it
was Georgia that actually took the first shot, and Cheney had a lot to
do with that war. In two thousand and four, okay, using nine
to eleven, the United States scooped up former Soviet states in Tornado, some
of which along the border of Russia. I can you imagine how ape shit
this country would go if we had Russian military bases on our border. This
country went ap shit during the Cuban Missile crisis when when the Russians attempted to
put the military base on Cuba. Just just so, there's two things.
Uh. In two thousand, you know, uh, in two thousand and
ten, between two thousand and ten, in two thousand and twenty, the
US and said he maybe joined together in the attempt to bankrupt Russia using oil.
In two thousand and fourteen, the US helped to orchestrate a coup,
if you remember, with Obama and Victoria Newland and John McCain and all those
guys helped to orchestrate a coup. And from two thousand and fourteen to I
forget when we're something called the Don Boss, which is an area of the
Ukraine, I believe that has Russia people when Ukraine was part of Russia.
They're basically still Russians. They consider themselves Russians, but they're living in the
Ukraine. But they're pro Russia. And they've been bombs the shit out of
them. Since the our coupe. Upwards of fourteen dozen people have been killed.
And yes, I understand they're part of those people are military people and
part of those people are you know whatever, but people are getting killed for
no reason. And you know, all these things have helped to push the
buttons of Putin so much that eventually he had to come in to the Ukraine
to do what he's doing now. We've pushed his buttons so much over the
years, it's amazing. We haven't been in the where they're in now.
And you know what, Russia and China have been the end game all along.
You know, you could say that nine to eleven was America's Reichstein fire,
and Russia and China where the ending. You know what we did.
We destabilize the Middle East, We took that out, We took out Russia's
allies Syria, and I ran another thing we did against Russia, oh my
god, I mean you name things we've done against Russia since nine eleven.
Well, I think that that is part of the equation. But it doesn't
necessarily mean that there isn't an active attempt to seek a new Russian federation that
takes a different stand in the world that you know, Putin doesn't have a
different agenda there. That it's not necessarily poor Russia here. I don't feel
as though the majority of the people Ukraine asked, you know. And that's
the other thing is that they didn't ask for this. There's a lot of
people dying needlessly now right now in the Ukraine. What happened, what has
happened there is exactly what happened in Yemen. There's a proxy war taking place
between the US and Russia and they're using the Ukraine to do so, just
as you know they used Yemen between Saudi Arabia and Iran back by the US.
Recognized by the US. I'm talking about Saudi Arabia during that war.
And the Ukraine is going to end up a big mess. There's going to
be disease, there's going to be all kinds of issues because of this war.
But who knows where this war is going to lead. This isn't a
freaking joke, you know. This war could lead to the bright light singing
place all over the place. I have no doubt or a little doubt when
the news somewhere is going to explode somewhere and I don't know what, who's
going to be responsible for it. I'm sure there's gonna be questions about it,
who is responsible for it? And it's not going to be as clear
cut as everybody makes it up to me. I bet in the meantime,
as I said, I feel as though there are a great many people that
are going to suffer there and it should not be. I think it's uh,
it's it's absolutely horrendous when a much larger nation state goes ahead and takes
a part a small one. I can't well, why, you know,
why why can't Joe Biden pick up the telephone they call Putin and say,
look, what do we need to do to result? Is this shoe non
militarily, not without without people dying. As soon as Joe Biden said that
Putin has to go, he told the American people, but this war is
gonna last for years. Because you get rid of Putin needs you have to
go into the capital of Russia and then kick out Putin, which you can't
do. But there are other things. The horror of that, though,
is how many years can a place like Ukraine have anything left if this fighting
keeps up. I mean that that that that's the thing to be destroyed.
An entire place is going to be destroyed, you know, and you know,
who knows what the end result is going to be after that? Because
the war is not going to end with the Ukraine. It's going to continue.
And no, I don't condone what Russia's has done, even though we've
done all this shit against Russia, I do not condone what Russia is doing,
what Putin is doing. I think there's a criminal for doing what he's
doing. You know it was a criminal. And had questions about him as
far as false flag attacks and the chest the apartment buildings for years ago in
the nineties. Right, So I'm not I'm not an idiot. I know
who Putin is. But I'm just saying we've done so much over the years
to get us to this point. We couldn't have ended up anywhere else because
I think this is our plan all along. The Russia was the end game.
We have to take out Russia, we have to take out China for
world domination. And in two thousand and five, both Russia and China got
together and made a statement that world that warned of the world about the US's
attempts at world domination. You know, this was two thousand and five.
Well, all I can say is I just some sanity prevails before many many
more because there are a lot of people dying already. There are a lot
of people dying already, and I think it's needless. I don't think it
needed to happen. And you know, and that's that's where I'm at with
it. No, I'm not one of these cheerleaders for Putin. It's not
gonna be that way. You know. There's a lot of people that are
just like it is very Joe bud and I don't think any of it is
justified. I get that things have gone on here and there's always plenty of
dirt. I mean, don't forget it around in that triad of things that
you know, people like Bolton there wanted to go after, right, what
was this big thing before we got into the Trump administration, telling us we
got to go after China, I ran and Russia altogether. Right, that
was his thing, even as an independent guy not in government, when he
was on the TV stations, I think he was still running around pretty much
telling everybody, look, we got to take out these threats. We gotta
take out these threats. Regardless of whether they were actually directly threatening us or
not. It was irrelevant. It was just the plan in some people's minds.
I know that. Nonetheless, I just I can't stand on the side
of Well Putin's right, He's just I can't do it. I can't do
it no matter what names they call me, no matter what money they've taken
from me, no matter what jobs they find away from the ready. They
both of them are wrong and point out the fact that the US pushed Putin
into doing what he's started to say, But the US got us to where
we are stay. Yeah, Well, that's the thing I have said repeatedly
that I don't see a hero in here. I don't see anybody on the
righteous side of it except the people, the civilians that are suffering that didn't
ask for this, Okay, the people that are on the ground that didn't
ask for this, that are getting bombed out of their houses and everything else,
that are sitting there trying to figure out how to keep the electricity on,
that are not sure who's shrapnel bomb is going off. Where those people
are the people that I am my heart is broken for, because they are
the people that are suffering that should not be suffering. You know, every
July fourth, we just send it July fourth. What do we do as
Americans celebrate July fourth? We blow up things? Yeah, but we make
explosions in the air. It's the closest Americans get to experiencing what it's like
being bombed well up to this point, daily basis up to this point so
far, okay, but but who knows what the future is going to hold,
especially if everybody keeps playing the games that they do. Anyway, John
Gold, is there anything else that we need to add to this before we
go? Because I wanted all the updates on nine to eleven and really feel
good about what we put out here or what you put out here. Mostly
today, I just asked a few questions and throw a few comments in.
But I mean, should that bring people up to speed or you want to
give them the headline on this what they should take away from your nine to
eleven discussion. We should support people, if you should support the nine eleven
at least are about in the nine eleven lawsuit against Saudi Arabia. Again,
the US despises what nine eleven is in a court of law because, as
we just learned, you learn things that the American government doesn't want us to
learn, like omar By UNI being responsible for taking care of two of the
hijackers under the direction of bandar Bush. You know, we learn things like
that, so to be supportive of them. The name of the judge from
the trial is Judge George Daniels, so keep in my om that Dan support
them when you can now because a screw war. Listen. At all times,
what we should be supporting is, you know, the peaceful acquisition of
the truth. And unfortunately everything in the world cannot be peaceful, be because
there are many people that profit too mightily from anything but peace. So you
know, there we have it, not just our military industrial complex, but
a whole ecosystem of those that benefit from blood and war is in play at
all times, and unfortunately, that is the world in which we find ourselves.
Anyway, John Gold, if you go to we were lied to about
nine one dot com, Like I said, go there, check out the
articles. I've given a couple of links in the chatroom at o'ceelly dot com,
but there will be other links that will be attached to this show and
a little bit of text from John as well, which I'm going to adapt
into the show notes and give you guys a description about what was covered here
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