WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:05.839 The Chilly Effect is sponsored by Wall Street, Window dot Com and listeners like 2 00:00:06.040 --> 00:00:17.199 you now y August sixteen, twenty and twenty three, allegedly according to that 3 00:00:17.239 --> 00:00:20.600 thing we call a calendar, and this is the show that you might have 4 00:00:20.640 --> 00:00:24.399 been looking for. You know, I give up anymore. We might change 5 00:00:24.440 --> 00:00:27.039 the name of this show pretty soon. We might change a bunch of things 6 00:00:27.079 --> 00:00:31.519 up real soon, because I'm fed up and tired. But before I get 7 00:00:31.559 --> 00:00:34.320 there, I think we got to drop just a few more good pieces of 8 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:38.880 information under the banner the Ocelli Effect. And who do I turn to to 9 00:00:38.960 --> 00:00:41.840 do that? Well, some of my good friends who have been around a 10 00:00:41.880 --> 00:00:46.039 long time. John Gold is with me. Now, why is it that 11 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:50.479 John is a friend of mine? A very simple statement. A guy that 12 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:53.280 I that I just well, I personally like them, but that's not the 13 00:00:53.359 --> 00:00:57.520 point. Some people I don't like, but they come with good information. 14 00:00:57.679 --> 00:01:00.280 I'll still have them on the show, even though I think they're maybe not 15 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:04.719 the best people. But John is actually a good guy. And John is 16 00:01:04.760 --> 00:01:08.920 the kind of guy who I might want to ask about my anti war confusions 17 00:01:08.959 --> 00:01:12.000 as of late, because he might be the sort of guy who thinks like 18 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:15.840 that too, and might not be willing to jump on the cheerleading side of 19 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:23.760 various things that march us toward war, whether it be overblown sentimentality, misdirected 20 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:27.519 anger over certain things, etcetera, etcetera. But put that aside for a 21 00:01:27.560 --> 00:01:33.519 moment. We were lied to about nine to eleven. That is the best 22 00:01:33.560 --> 00:01:38.000 premise that I can ever present. Because of John regarding nine to eleven, 23 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:42.640 people wanted to come to me all the time, you know, especially because 24 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:45.879 of the JFK research. Who did it? What happened? Give me the 25 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:48.799 solution. They do the same thing when it comes to nine to eleven. 26 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:51.040 I mean you were in the New York City area at the time, you 27 00:01:51.120 --> 00:01:55.480 definitely yes, Indeed, I was not too far from it. I've even 28 00:01:55.519 --> 00:01:57.599 made the joke on this show that you could somehow pull me into a conspiracy 29 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:01.280 if you wanted to, because people have gotten crazy like that. But then 30 00:02:01.319 --> 00:02:05.319 again, I'm not from the nation state of Israel. Did I just say 31 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:08.439 that out loud? I did you know what? I'm getting sick and tired 32 00:02:08.479 --> 00:02:13.240 of people stuck on things like that. We're gonna get into some real facts. 33 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:15.360 We're gonna get into some real issues and real things that are going on 34 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:20.599 as we speak tonight with John Gold. We were lied to about nine to 35 00:02:20.599 --> 00:02:23.719 eleven. We were lied to about nine to eleven dot com and that is 36 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:28.680 where you can go to believe it or not, download John's books for free. 37 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:31.599 He's not trying to make money, He's not trying to do anything except 38 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:38.400 well, still educate people about what's actually happening regarding one of the big wounds. 39 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:44.159 One of the things that definitely changed our reality on September eleven, two 40 00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:49.639 thousand and one, that incident, those incidents, all of it, the 41 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:53.840 crap storm that formed, right, that's right. I'm not I'm not cursing 42 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:55.360 tonight because I'm not going to have him meltdown on air like I did on 43 00:02:55.439 --> 00:03:00.680 Friday. Sorry about that, guys. And no, the podcast is not 44 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:04.639 going to come out, but it's in the member section anyways. John Gold, 45 00:03:05.199 --> 00:03:08.879 all right, John, you know before before we get started, First 46 00:03:08.919 --> 00:03:12.120 of all, Man, I just want you to know I appreciate you. 47 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:15.199 I appreciate what you do on Twitter. I appreciate what you've done in the 48 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:21.840 past. I appreciate exactly how genuine you are as a human being, first 49 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:25.560 of all, but secondly as a researcher, as somebody who is attempting to 50 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:30.960 inform others about things that they seem to have an interest and seem to want 51 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:36.000 to know about. But you know, when we get stuck on this whole 52 00:03:36.039 --> 00:03:40.520 concept of well, Saudi Arabia is just the distraction, John, Saudi Arabia 53 00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:45.560 is being offered up so that we can not turn our attention to Israel, 54 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:47.280 who was really responsible for that and everything else? And oh, by the 55 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:52.560 way, you know they killed Kennedy Toochuk, you know all that, which 56 00:03:52.599 --> 00:03:54.719 is what they tell me all the time. Yeah, you've heard that. 57 00:03:55.719 --> 00:04:02.319 Research has mentioned hell Israel has been brought up as the one responsible for Jrk's 58 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:09.479 assassination. How is it that Israel always finds this way to be the responsible 59 00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:15.759 party for all kinds of conspiracies. So it just seems to work out that 60 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:19.399 way for nine to eleven. You know, there are questions about Israel and 61 00:04:19.519 --> 00:04:25.240 nine to eleven no questions about Oh absolutely, I mean to say that they're 62 00:04:25.399 --> 00:04:31.920 the sole party responsible absurd, absolutely ridiculous or as far as I'm concerned, 63 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:39.879 nine eleven was a crime. It was committed by you know, multiple people. 64 00:04:39.959 --> 00:04:45.279 There are multiple suspects for the crime. Multiple people have earned the title 65 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:49.079 of suspect for the crime of nine to eleven. And they come from a 66 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:54.079 bunch of places, most of which come from the United States, as far 67 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:58.240 as I'm concerned. See, And that's something I believe we can definitively say, 68 00:04:58.439 --> 00:05:01.160 much like your statement we were two about nine to eleven any way you 69 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:05.360 slice it, that's a guaranteed truth, okay. And to my mind, 70 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:12.639 there is an international collaboration that occurs here that must, buy necessity involve American 71 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:17.439 actors, okay, and people from other places. That's a guarantee in my 72 00:05:17.519 --> 00:05:21.360 mind. You couldn't have done this without that. But go ahead, Well, 73 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:27.319 you know what you could say easily is that America Saudi Arabia have been 74 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:35.120 partners in crying for years, for decades, you know, Oh my gosh, 75 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:44.000 they've they've been They've used the quote unquote terrorist system that Saudi Arabia is 76 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:49.240 a part of to use in proxy wars. You know, just recently, 77 00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:56.800 over the last twenty years, we saw Saudi Arabia use uh in a war 78 00:05:56.839 --> 00:06:01.199 against Iran in Yetmen. That was a proxy war. They were using, 79 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:06.480 you know, terrorists, they sent them in the Syria, they sent them 80 00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:15.480 Indolvia you know, the terrorist system is something that we collaborate and enable. 81 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:21.240 We collaborate with them to do these things, and we enable them to do 82 00:06:21.439 --> 00:06:29.040 them. As far as Saudi Arabia and terrorism, this conservative. You know, 83 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:33.279 we've been doing that for years. We've protected them for years throughout the 84 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:40.279 FBI, throughout all the Alphathity, There's always been this level of protection of 85 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:46.399 Saudi Arabia. Before nine eleven, somebody by the name of Robert Wright wrote 86 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:54.560 about something called Vulgar the Trail, which was an investigation that was taking place 87 00:06:55.480 --> 00:07:00.199 of the Saudi Arabia and it was shut down and rob but Right gave a 88 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:05.680 press conference pace from the FBI after nine to eleven and he broke down in 89 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:12.079 cheers talking about how, you know, there was a little warnings before nine 90 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:16.959 eleven about what was coming. You know, how he was obstructed from doing 91 00:07:17.079 --> 00:07:24.360 his job, you know, because Saudi Arabia was protected. I think that's 92 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:31.480 just one instance. But since nine eleven, the day if a nine to 93 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:38.439 eleven, the Saudi Arabia has been protected. You remember the flights that were 94 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:46.040 allowed to take place of Saudi nationals out of the country and around the country 95 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:49.079 to you know, to protect them for nine to eleven. We'll see I 96 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:53.839 gotta go right to. Yeah, I gotta go right to My first awareness 97 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:56.920 of that, right because I was and look, I was not on this 98 00:07:57.079 --> 00:08:01.040 like some other people, I admitted, but I first became aware of watching 99 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:05.319 a documentary by Michael Moore of all people of that actually happening. I saw 100 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:09.759 Fahrenheit nine to eleven in a movie theater, and I watched them list all 101 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:13.000 of these people they got out, Saudi Royals, members of the bin Laden 102 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:18.120 family, et cetera, et cetera. And of course the logical question was 103 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:20.959 posed in that movie. I'll never forget it. Uh. You know, 104 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:26.560 if you know of a murder suspect, right and they're they're allegedly the mastermind 105 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:31.160 behind a bunch of murders, you would generally stop and talk to their family 106 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:35.399 and friends, whoever they may be, and try and assess where the person 107 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:37.480 is. If you don't have them in custody, maybe get some evidence, 108 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:41.919 get some trails, get some things going here in an investigation. Instead of 109 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:46.600 doing that, they wanted to let those people right on out of the country. 110 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:50.320 Now, I'm not saying Michael Moore, yeah, good goodhead. Well 111 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:52.840 I'm not saying Michael Moore presents at all but ahead, yeah, yeah. 112 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:58.720 The nine Other Commission released in addendum about those flights, and it said that 113 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:05.320 terrorists were allowed to leave the country on any of those planes. But it 114 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:13.000 turns out senator from New Jersey I Frank something right like you remember his last 115 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:18.159 name, he posted the flight manifests of one of the flights that were allowed 116 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:22.559 on the country. And somebody by the name of Khalil bin Lawden, who 117 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:31.320 was the brother of Osama bin Laden, was wanted for terrorists in Brazil of 118 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:37.519 all places. So there were terrorists quote unquote that we're allowed to leave the 119 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:43.320 country on those flights. I just can't remember the name of the senator. 120 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:46.440 I have the flight manifests. I could send it to you the Mona, 121 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:52.679 But I mean, there's so many different stories that you could go to with 122 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:56.759 regard to Saudi Arabia at nine eleven. I want to focus on one in 123 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:00.399 particular, and I sent it to you. It's night. I'm just going 124 00:10:00.440 --> 00:10:07.080 to read this this little paragraph. A good friend of the Bush family helped 125 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:13.159 to finance nine to eleven and was in contact with quote Omar al Bayumi, 126 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:20.440 a Sadi agent who assisted two of the hijackers upon their arrival in the US. 127 00:10:20.559 --> 00:10:28.840 End quote. Omar reported quote directly to Saudi Ambassador Prince Vandar in Washington 128 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:37.480 leading up to the attacks. End quote, that good friend and Prince Vandar 129 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:43.039 are one and the same. So I just want to make sure that everybody 130 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:50.039 understand that one of the individuals that helped two of the supposed or alleged hijackers 131 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:58.600 in San Diego was answerable to the Saudi ambassador to the United States. He 132 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:05.039 also received a stipend from the Saudi invessador from the United States, Prince Bandar. 133 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:11.960 This is something that the Bush administration tried to keep secret for years. 134 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:18.440 Years. They tried to keep this a secret. During the Joint Congressional Inquiry 135 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:24.759 into nine eleven. The Bush administration made sure that the FBI did not cooperate 136 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:28.320 with the Joint Congressional Inquiry. They wanted to speak to somebody by the name 137 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:35.759 of Abdu Satar shape during the Joint Congressional Inquiry, and the Bush administration would 138 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:43.720 not allow them to. You know, there were such an and just to 139 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:46.559 be clear about this, Prince Bandar, who you're talking about. That name 140 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:50.919 sounds super familiar again, going back to Michael Morris film where he says, 141 00:11:52.639 --> 00:11:58.559 here's a guy that was literally nicknamed Bandar Bush right, supposedly smoking the cigars 142 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:01.320 with him out on the veranda or whatever it is you call it there on 143 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:03.600 the White House, the porch, the balcony, I don't know, whatever 144 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:07.919 you want to call it. That's the same guy, right, or am 145 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:11.200 I you know, just mixing names? Yeah, it's the same guy. 146 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:16.120 Two days after and eleven, they were all sitting on the whatever you want 147 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:20.120 to call them, Moranda the White House, looking cigars. I think it 148 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:24.639 was Dick Cheney, Princi, Bandar, George Bush, and Condoleeza Rice. 149 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:33.320 We're all sitting there talking and I made an imaginary image of the conversation that 150 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:37.240 they were supposedly having years ago, and I can't find it right now. 151 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:43.399 Can you imagine let me see in the time of funding it really quickly hold 152 00:12:43.480 --> 00:12:46.679 on, Yeah, no problem. But imagine that again, that the chief 153 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:52.080 law enforcement officer, as I've been told many times, the president is like 154 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:56.440 what the chief law enforcement officer of the United States, right, is sitting 155 00:12:56.480 --> 00:13:01.279 out there with somebody who was connected directly two individuals that might be involved in 156 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:07.480 the largest mass murder in the history of the country. Forget about which country 157 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:09.759 it is. I mean, unless I'm crazy, we'll get good. We'll 158 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:13.919 get into more of that. But here's the image that you were speaking of. 159 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:20.120 I made them have this conversation. Vandhar says he here's Dick Cheney job 160 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:24.039 well done. Everybody. Let me just say that the mic the bolts are 161 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:28.840 Industrial Complex is thrilled, and Prince Bandar says glad we could do our part, 162 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:33.960 and Condo Lisa Rice says, remember, we had no idea that this 163 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:39.559 was going to happen. And that's something that she was famous for saying after 164 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:43.879 nine eleven that we had no idea if this is going to happen, and 165 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:46.879 then the very next day they were she was found to be a liar. 166 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:52.799 And then the last thing that George Bush says is I'm going to get started 167 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:58.320 on blocking and interfering with investigations. Do any of you have Tom Dashville's number? 168 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:03.639 Season I said that was because after nine eleven, a Fantruary of two 169 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:09.039 thousand two, both Bush and Cheney went to Tom Dash's officer was the Senate 170 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:18.759 majority we are at asked him specifically not to investigate the attacks at all at 171 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:24.200 all, and that to me was the piece of information that got me interested. 172 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:28.320 In No. Eleven, I thought to myself, why was the president 173 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:33.440 and vice president of all people? I want to know exactly how and why 174 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:37.639 this happened. So it was to make sure it could never happen again. 175 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:43.320 And from that point on I started paying closer attention to dudes related to nine 176 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:46.559 to eleven. And as you remember, after nine eleven, we were told 177 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:54.080 repeatedly that there were no warnings, that nobody had any idea to quote Connoy 178 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:58.240 Service, that something like this was going to happen. And then on May 179 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:03.240 fifteen, two thousand, to news of what was called the August sixth PVB 180 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:09.960 was league, which was Presidential Daily Briefing into not determined to strike in the 181 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:15.759 US, and it became famous. You know, there was only one of 182 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:20.320 the warnings, one PDB that Bush Goot Bush got thirty nine. The other 183 00:15:20.039 --> 00:15:26.759 I'll kind of grow some of the long related pdb's priors and oven some of 184 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:31.080 which were supposedly worse than the August sixth PVB. But that's the one that 185 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:35.799 got all the attention. Yeah you remember it, Yeah, no, absolutely, 186 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:37.559 that's the one that got all the attention, and again it is part 187 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:43.840 of Michael Moore's movie. But later on we would discover stuff like different places 188 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:46.879 where passports were being issued. There were places where people were saying, look, 189 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:50.360 these guys that are coming into the country, these are not good guys. 190 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:54.399 They might be a problem. You had other warnings and reports, different 191 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:58.480 little bits of people trying to say there's problems here. There are people coming 192 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:03.879 in, they have plans, they have ideas. Now some of them weren't 193 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:10.360 as specific as that President's Daily Briefing allegedly, but there's a whole bunch of 194 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:14.879 different things that if someone were observant enough, they could have picked it up 195 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:18.720 from a lot of different federal agencies. And here it is. I'm not 196 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:22.200 even certain that the story that was told, you know, because here's the 197 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:26.120 thing. A lot of people will say, well, all right, so 198 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:32.120 this means that you absolutely believe in the official mythology regarding this or the official 199 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:37.000 story. No, I don't. But here's the problem. If those that 200 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:41.639 claim to believe in it acted in this way and nobody lost their job, 201 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:45.919 which I was always amazed at, nobody seemed to ever be punished for this, 202 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:51.200 you allow this happened on your watch. What it's just in oops, 203 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:55.360 this is just you know, gravity taking hold. This is inevitable. I 204 00:16:55.360 --> 00:17:00.399 mean, seriously, it shouldn't somebody have been, you know, taking a 205 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:04.599 task for this problem. Whatever they have to live in. Donald Rumsfelt and 206 00:17:04.799 --> 00:17:11.119 Condo Lisa Rice both started planning for war with Iraq. These weren't people that 207 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:18.480 acted traumatized by what just happened, by how the people that were destroyed as 208 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:22.839 a result of what happened. Because these aren't people who were concerned about their 209 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:30.000 next moves about how to best protect America as a result of what just happened. 210 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:33.400 These are people that were you know, were just sitting there and almost 211 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:38.279 just waiting for this to happen so that they can get their their plans started. 212 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:45.000 That's it. That's how they acted. And then I want to get 213 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:48.319 back to Yeah, I'm just going to say really quickly, there's two major 214 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:52.960 prongs to that too. Though. There is the international agenda, and then 215 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:56.519 there's the national agenda, because what did we have next? We need to 216 00:17:56.079 --> 00:18:00.839 get ourselves some safety to protect our free them right, so we have the 217 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:04.519 Patriot Act, we have all that emerging. Of course, there's going to 218 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:08.319 be the Department of Homeland Security. It needs to be here. They created 219 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:12.400 that agency, they created a bunch of systems around it. There was a 220 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:17.319 plethora of actions that took place, and not the least of which is this 221 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:22.000 planning for war in Iraq. Yes, even though allegedly this was all launched 222 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:27.400 from somewhere else. And the funny thing is, again, when you're looking 223 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:33.960 at who it is that the suspects were, according to the official story, 224 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:37.079 well, those are a lot of Saudi citizens. So I don't want to 225 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:41.160 get away from the Saudi issue, but got go ahead. Well, you 226 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:45.400 know, let's get back to the Saudi issue. And I want to address 227 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:51.319 something. You just part of the team of the nineteen hijackers were Saudi citizens. 228 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:56.400 Just because they were Saudi citizens doesn't mean that it was a Saudi crime, 229 00:18:56.039 --> 00:19:02.039 that it was a Saudi urban crime. And somebody, you know, 230 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:07.920 it's just like the whole the Jew thing. If somebody got it, I 231 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:12.640 don't even how to explain it. It's called collected punishment, and it's a 232 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:18.160 war crime when you hold everybody accountable to the actions of a few, which 233 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:25.279 is just what we did on nine eleven. We destroyed an entire region of 234 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:30.799 the world. As a result of what happened that day, we killed millions, 235 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:37.519 We killed, wounded, displaced, destroyed, the infrastructure of tortured, 236 00:19:38.079 --> 00:19:48.359 renditioned millions of people that had absolutely nothing to do with the crime of nine 237 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:55.200 to eleven, had absolutely nothing to do with it. And and it's not 238 00:19:55.279 --> 00:19:59.480 automatically held responsible, right, And look, I'm not trying to necessarily hold 239 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:03.039 sut your maybe a responsible at this point in the story that we're discussing. 240 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:07.680 I'm just saying that, yeah, but I'm just saying that it would be 241 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:15.759 more logical to look there, to investigate there though, considering that's all I'm 242 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:22.799 saying. I wrote an article years ago called you can't point a finger at 243 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:29.519 saut of Arabia and not have five fingers pointing back at the US for line 244 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:33.680 eleven. And then there were a number of reasons why, and I have 245 00:20:33.799 --> 00:20:37.759 some of them in so a lot I'm going to site tonight, but I 246 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:42.240 want to cite some of the information from this Jacoban article so people understand what 247 00:20:42.359 --> 00:20:47.319 happened what I want to talk about specifically, right, please please do. 248 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:51.440 And I placed the link in the chat room at ochelli dot com and it'll 249 00:20:51.480 --> 00:20:53.440 also be in the show notes for the podcast. If you guys are catching 250 00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:56.880 the podcast, which most of you do, so, it'll be there in 251 00:20:56.920 --> 00:21:00.400 the show notes and you'll be able to follow along with John as he reads 252 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:07.759 from that article. Go ahead, John, all right. Quote Despite all 253 00:21:07.839 --> 00:21:11.200 this, and even though FBI agents had reason to believe he was a satisfy, 254 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:15.920 that's Omar al Bayumi. And by the way, we've had the reason 255 00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:19.400 to believe he was a satispy for years. It's just confirmed it something only 256 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:26.400 revealed in twenty sixteen, upon the declassification of twenty eight pages of the nine 257 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:33.680 eleven Commission report that former President George W. Bush had ordered to be kept 258 00:21:33.759 --> 00:21:41.200 secret. The US authorities exonerated him to Omar Albyumi. The report ultimately concluded 259 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:49.920 there was quote no credible evidence end quote that Albayuni quote knowingly aided extremist groups 260 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:55.559 end quote. While the Bureau decided in two thousand and four that he had 261 00:21:55.680 --> 00:22:02.839 no quote advanced knowledge of the terrorist attack and quote, nor that the two 262 00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:07.440 Hydat fairs to be were members of Al Kaita, this latest release makes this 263 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:15.480 claims a lot less Tendmabal. According to an FBI communicate dated to June twenty 264 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:22.680 seventeen. From the late nineteen nineties to September eleven, two thousand and one, 265 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:27.839 albay unique quote was paid a monthly stipend as a couptie of the Savy 266 00:22:27.920 --> 00:22:36.680 General Intelligence Presidency, the GIP, the country's principal spy agency. The document 267 00:22:36.759 --> 00:22:41.960 notes that while his involvement in satty intelligence wasn't confirmed at the time of nine 268 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:47.319 to eleven tvission to report, the Bureau has now confirmed it. In a 269 00:22:47.400 --> 00:22:52.680 separate two thousand and seventeen document, Bureau officials judge quote, there is a 270 00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:57.680 fifty fifty chance alba Uni had advanced knowledge the nine to eleven attacks for it 271 00:22:57.759 --> 00:23:03.200 to occur now quote. More on that, the report directly inplicates a member 272 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:12.279 of the Saudi royal family and government Albayumi's monthly stipe and was paid quote Leah 273 00:23:12.400 --> 00:23:21.880 then Ambassador to the United States, Prince Bandar Ben Sultan al sad End Quote 274 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:27.079 its States and any information Albayumi collected on quote, persons of interest in the 275 00:23:27.119 --> 00:23:33.359 Saudi community in Los Angeles and San Diego, and other issues which met certain 276 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:41.960 GOP intelligence requirements would be forwarded to Bandar end Quote, who would quote then 277 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:48.359 inform the GP of items of interest to the GP for further investigation, writing 278 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:55.119 of any or follow up end quote. So that's from the jacovid article. 279 00:23:55.279 --> 00:24:00.240 So basically, do you understand what happens from the Oh yeah, yeah, 280 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:03.200 we found out. We found out later one of the not even though he 281 00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:08.920 was exonerated at the time. Later on it's discovered go ahead. But later 282 00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:12.799 on it was confirmed that he was a savvy spy, that he answered directly 283 00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:18.000 to Prince Bandar, that it received a stipend from Bandar, and that there 284 00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:22.160 was a fifty fifty chance he had to dance knowledge of the nine to eleven 285 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:27.839 attacks. Now can you imagine if he answers directly to bandor what kind of 286 00:24:27.880 --> 00:24:32.519 conversations you know, he could have been having with Bander. I mean, 287 00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:37.200 there was a time, and I want to get into my article because my 288 00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:44.319 article really gets home as far as what questions need to be asked if you 289 00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:47.839 don't mind him and try to do that now, yeah, no, absolutely, 290 00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:51.480 because here here it is in my mind, this is where big questions 291 00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:56.039 need to be asked, because look, right off the top, somebody would 292 00:24:56.079 --> 00:25:00.400 say and get given okay. In August of two thousand and one. I 293 00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:04.799 had no idea that this was going to happen. So what information could somebody 294 00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:08.880 have to even have a fifty fifty chance of knowing? Right? What did 295 00:25:08.920 --> 00:25:12.960 they have access to that was directly connected to this, so that they even 296 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:18.680 have a fifty fifty shot at knowing about an operation that would lead to nine 297 00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:22.000 to eleven? That would be question number one in my mind. But no, 298 00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:26.160 let's hear from your article and what you have. Well. I wrote 299 00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:30.440 an article called a damned Good Question, and it was a tribute to the 300 00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:36.279 at war quote. I was listening to my interview with Paul Thompson, which 301 00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:40.480 in parentheses, which by the way, is price was in parentheses. Now 302 00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:45.799 we talked about we quote flip theory concerning the two alleged hijackers in San Diego 303 00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:52.680 put forward by Richard Clark. The idea was so they would have operatives inside 304 00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:56.480 of al Qaeda. I don't agree with it. What I know is if 305 00:25:56.519 --> 00:26:03.000 the CIA was protecting two of the alleged hijackers, and that's reason enough for 306 00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:08.519 people to be held accountable and for truths to be sold and quote. So 307 00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:14.319 this is from my article. So I was thinking, if prandar If Fritz 308 00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:19.160 Vandar helps to finance al Qaida and nine to eleven, then that technically makes 309 00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:25.039 him a member of al Qaida. I can't think of a better plan to 310 00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:30.279 get inside of al Qaida. He was good friends with George Tennant, then 311 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:34.119 the director of the CIA. George used to go to his house, swimming 312 00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:41.400 his pull and go on drunken trades about Jews of all things. I'm sure 313 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:47.319 they spoke about a lot of things. Prince Vandar was good friends with the 314 00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:53.960 Bush family, so close he was referred to as Bandar Bush. Now listen 315 00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:57.960 to this. This is before nine to eleven. On March fifteen, two 316 00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:03.920 thousand and one, George Bush was meeting with Prince Bandar, one of the 317 00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:11.039 financeers of al Qaida and nine to eleven, and talked about Iraq. Bush 318 00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:15.480 said, quote, if there is any military action, then it needs to 319 00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:21.160 be decisive that can finalize the issue end quote. And that quote, the 320 00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:27.240 Iraqi opposition is useless and not effective end quote. Months before the pretext nine 321 00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:33.920 to eleven that enabled the Bush administration to go to war into Iraq. So 322 00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:41.440 he was having a discussion about military action in Iraq with somebody who helped to 323 00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:48.839 finance al Qaeda and nine to eleven. Okay, now, one day, 324 00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:53.920 one day, Dick Cheney invites Prince Bandar to his West Wing office. Donald 325 00:27:55.000 --> 00:28:00.559 Ron Selvin, General Myers are present. Myers brought quote top secret map of 326 00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:07.680 the war plan and it says quote top secret, no foreign no foreign means 327 00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:11.759 far. No foreigners are supposed to see this end quote quote they describe in 328 00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:18.440 detail of the war plan for Bandhar. And so Bandhar, who's skeptical because 329 00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:22.640 he knows in the first Golf War we didn't get Saddam out. So he 330 00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:27.440 says in Cheney or two Cheney and run sells quote Sazan, So Saddam this 331 00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:33.240 time is going to be out. Period. And Cheney, who has said 332 00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:40.799 nothing since the following Prince Bandhar once we start, Saddam is toast. Now 333 00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:45.400 because of the fact that the President of the United States is talking about the 334 00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:52.880 need for quote decisive end quote military action in Iraq with one of the financiers 335 00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:56.960 of al Qaeda, and nine eleven, because Prince Bendar also wanted war with 336 00:28:57.079 --> 00:29:03.039 Iraq, and because nine eleven was the pretext that enabled the Bush administration to 337 00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:10.720 go into Iraq. That brings up the question of whether or not a collaborative, 338 00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:17.279 a collaboration between the Bush administration and Prince Vandar to bring about the nine 339 00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:22.519 to eleven attacks took place. It's not a theory. It's a damned good 340 00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:29.000 question. After all. Ten days after his inauguration, at his very first 341 00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:33.839 Principles meeting, Bush asked his subordinates, quote, go find me a way 342 00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:40.319 to get into Iraq end quote. One of the first things the Bush administration 343 00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:45.599 did was tell the different Elphabet agencies to quote back off the Saudi's and the 344 00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:52.200 bin Laden's, an action that Senator Bob Graham said, if true, would 345 00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:56.720 be a quote very serious charge. It sure seems to be, because the 346 00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:03.920 famous John O'Neill complained about not to mention the quote visa Express program end quote 347 00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:11.960 that was implemented before nine to eleven, which only applied to Savvy review, 348 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:17.640 which some of the Legend hijackers took advantager. The Bush administration shut down the 349 00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:23.359 DA's Project Monarch, which was a program to monitor savvy citizens. According to 350 00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:27.720 Richard Clark, in the months before nine eleven, members of the Bush administration 351 00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:37.000 discussed creating a quote Castle's Belli end quote for war with Iraq. When I 352 00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:41.200 asked Richard Clark on Facebook as opinion of whether or not people in the Bush 353 00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:47.000 administration were capable of such a thing, he said, quote some of them 354 00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:52.119 were. When none eleven Commissioner John Leeman asked George Bush about d andre and 355 00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:59.759 nine to eleven, he quote dodged the questions. And we found out recently 356 00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:06.519 because of the fact that George Bush and is a separate from an article, 357 00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:11.119 because George Bush and Dick Cheney's MFR and then there had up for the Becker 358 00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:17.759 from then on. Eleven Commission was released ten years after my friend Eric lost 359 00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:23.119 Larson Floyd Ford, which was basically a description of what was discussed during an 360 00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:29.640 eleven Commissions meeting with Bush and Cheney. It showed that, you know, 361 00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:33.920 John Leeman didn't asked the tough questions that he said he did, and he 362 00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:38.799 said book I asked him the questions, He dodged the questions. He turned 363 00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:45.160 his back to me. When John Leeman was asking Bush about Bandar, he 364 00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:49.119 turned his back to him. So, anyway, let me get back to 365 00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:57.200 this to my article and then so let me see when non eleven Commissioner John 366 00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:02.279 Leeman asked George Bush about and our nine eleven. He dodged the questions and 367 00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:08.079 then went outside and told the world that he quote answered every question end quote. 368 00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:14.279 They asked when the nine eleven commissioner question, when the nine eleven commission 369 00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:20.480 question band or they didn't even bother to ask him about his connections financial or 370 00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:30.640 otherwise to nine eleven. Hold on, no, hey, take take your 371 00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:31.440 time, you know, John, if you want, we can also take 372 00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:35.960 a break here, No, no problem, and you know, give you 373 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:39.119 a couple of minutes to continue, because look, the only logical question in 374 00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:46.920 my mind at this point is pretty simple. It's if if they're asking him 375 00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:50.960 about this a couple of days later, Okay, they're talking to him about 376 00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:53.359 this a couple of days later. The only question here is do they know 377 00:32:53.480 --> 00:33:00.599 that he's involved or do they just think they're discussing this with someone who could 378 00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:04.599 be helpful in the effort? Right, That's the only thing that you would 379 00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:07.599 need to pursue if you were trying to keep an open mind here. But 380 00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:12.279 otherwise it makes no sense. And also, I mean the idea that somebody 381 00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:15.759 would go out and grandstand of the press and whatnot afterwards and say I asked 382 00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:19.079 all the tough questions. Of course you can claim that because this stuff is 383 00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:22.799 never supposed to really see the light of day. And again, you know 384 00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:27.279 how long did it take before anybody knew what the contents of their discussion was. 385 00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:30.799 It wasn't broadcast on TV. It wasn't open to the public, right, 386 00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:37.960 They weren't even sworn in, right, the recordings were transcripts were allowed, 387 00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:43.160 right, Only a certain number of people were allowed in there. You 388 00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:47.599 know. It was so you can so you could walk out to the press 389 00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:52.599 afterwards and tell them anything. I asked five hundred questions. It doesn't mean 390 00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:57.200 that you'd asked even one. You could say anything because nobody had the privilege 391 00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:00.880 of being able to back it up with a memorialization outside of this memo, 392 00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:06.480 which just gives a basic rundown of what happened. But even so, it's 393 00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:12.280 all we got because there's no recording. There's no transcript right, right, 394 00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:16.719 Okay, the transcript or is an MFR. It was really thanks to Eric 395 00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:22.840 Larson, which which did describe a few things. And the families were furious. 396 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:27.960 It's you know, John Leeman. It's funny I contacted because John Leeman 397 00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:32.440 is the one who supposedly asked Bush about Bandar. I contacted him a few 398 00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:37.039 months ago through his lawyer office, through the lawyer's office and asked him a 399 00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:43.800 couple of questions, and he said that all the information that he bought the 400 00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:47.880 questions was false information. Now, all of a sudden, when this stuff 401 00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:53.000 comes out, he's coming back to his dodges the questions. He turned his 402 00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:58.039 back to me, so he lied to me. And then when this information 403 00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:02.880 came out, he reiterated st He told Phil Sheenan who first broke the story, 404 00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:08.440 that he dodged the questions about Bandar. So, anyway, let me 405 00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:14.159 get back to this article of Jacob and recently came out of an article that 406 00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:20.360 talks about even more incrimination, even more incriminating information concerning Bandar in it, 407 00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:24.360 they say Thomas Keen. I'm furious the Keen has the goal, the same 408 00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:30.119 anger as if he didn't know about the nine eleventh Commission, not asking Prince 409 00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:36.920 Bandar the tough questions or Bush dodging questions about Bandar. Anyway, I don't 410 00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:40.760 believe the flip theory. On top of that, I've shown that we had 411 00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:45.519 access to one of the most important insiders of al Qaeda, So why would 412 00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:52.920 need to flip those two hijackers at all, and then in parentheses because I'm 413 00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:57.880 being slightly sarcastic here, I say, I'm saying that with a sly angry 414 00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:04.920 smile across my face and planteses. Prince Vandar even admitted that Saudi intelligence was 415 00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:10.960 quote actively following most of the terrorists with precision end quote. He says that 416 00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:20.400 quote US Secretary security authorities never engaged their sounding counterparts in a serious, incredible 417 00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:24.400 manner, and that's why nine eleven happened. But I wonder if he quote 418 00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:30.599 engaged members of the Bush administration. After all, if he wanted a terrorists 419 00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:36.920 attacks takes place, Prince Vandar would be the guy to go to. Remember, 420 00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:45.320 he threatened London with terrorist attacks quote unless corruption investigations into their arms deals 421 00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:52.719 more halted and quote former FBI Director Louis Free was his lawyer at the time. 422 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:58.280 He also sent in terrorists into Syria and to try to take out aside. 423 00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:05.639 There was something called the a E scandal arm scandal which had Bandar involved 424 00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:10.280 in it. And he's threatened the terrorist attack against London unless the investigations. 425 00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:19.000 By the way, that's the kind of person he is, Yes, so 426 00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:23.039 anyway, because this is the anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, I posted 427 00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:30.320 the quote there. It was responsible. They're being invited on Ellen to promote 428 00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:37.920 their book, They're getting apologies from Keith Olberman. Their history is being rewritten 429 00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:43.239 as to put them on the pedestal instead of the Hague where they belong. 430 00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:46.559 End quote, and I said, oh, yes they do. By the 431 00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:52.280 way, isn't it a disgrace that Prince Bandar's daughter is now the Saddi ambassador 432 00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:58.920 to the United States. Also, for some reason, Bandar refuses to testify 433 00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:04.440 in the law suit brought on by the Nine Let Him Families against Saudi Arabia. 434 00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:07.760 See. Now, this is the thing I want to hit on next, 435 00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:12.039 because you know those that say that Saudi Arabia has just been you know, 436 00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:15.000 scapegoated here and so on and so forth, despite all of what you 437 00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:20.039 just brought up, by the way, which means either they had knowledge of 438 00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:23.320 or were directly involved in the events that took place one way or the other 439 00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:27.239 as far as I'm concerned. But you know, maybe I'm reading it wrong. 440 00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:32.639 There's my sarcasm. Okay, Well, here's the thing. You know, 441 00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:37.039 it's interesting to me that a lot of these guys don't realize that that 442 00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:43.679 that's still happening, but there's things going on here, Like okay, Bandar 443 00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:45.400 Bush they want him, you know, I keep calling them bandor Bush. 444 00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:51.079 Sorry, Prince Bandar. They want him to testify because well he would be 445 00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:57.039 a guy with some knowledge on the events, clearly, so what's going on 446 00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:00.320 there? What is happening? I mean, people have said to me nothing 447 00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:01.960 is going to happen there, and maybe they're right, because I don't have 448 00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:07.840 much base in any of the legal systems to come to logical and clean conclusions 449 00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:10.920 about anything. But maybe you could explain to people, you know, what 450 00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:15.800 action is actually taking place and what you mean. I mean Prince Bandar's refusing 451 00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:21.760 them testify now, yeah, will be. For years, the families weren't 452 00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:28.519 allowed to sue Satirabia because they were able to clean sovereign immunity. And then 453 00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:35.760 the families fought for something called just the Justice against sponsors of terrorism, which 454 00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:44.760 enabled them to sue sati Rabia even though they weren't they were not listening in 455 00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:50.840 the State Departments terrorist in this that's a funny list the State Department has of 456 00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:57.039 which countries are considered terrorists. You know, Sati Rabias the number one chief 457 00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:00.280 financier of terrorism in the world, and they're not on that list, but 458 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:12.840 I Ran is on that list of course. You know. Anyway, the 459 00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:16.280 families have a lawsuit that's going on right now, that's been going on for 460 00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:22.480 years. They've been trying to sue saty Rebia to to get some form of 461 00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:27.199 justice. But the thing is they brought nine to eleven into a court of 462 00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:34.400 law, okay, And that's one place the government does not won eleven to 463 00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:39.199 be They would prefer the non eleven be tried in the military commissions when they 464 00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:44.880 have absolute control. You know, there was a time when Obama said he 465 00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:51.440 was going to try Cola shit Mohammed in the nine eleven five in federal in 466 00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:55.719 federal courts in New York and people went ape shit. Republicans on the right 467 00:40:55.760 --> 00:41:01.800 side went absolutely ape shit and brought up all these things that they were gonna 468 00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:07.000 be bring dangers to the people in New York for trying these people. And 469 00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:14.000 the federal courts in New York City have a on a you know, a 470 00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:23.079 rating on a like what's the word of the before something rating that they have 471 00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:32.840 a rating that's really high. I can't think of the word. It's almost 472 00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:42.800 like approval rating that they have the abilities or they've they've been successful prosecuting all 473 00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:47.559 the conviction rate prosecuting. Yeah, they have a great prosecution record. Yeah, 474 00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:52.599 conviction rate trying terrorists they have. Yeah, they have a great record 475 00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:59.360 of trying terrorists. So why can't we keep the nine eleven five and try 476 00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:02.679 them to New York Federal court where the crime took place, where you're supposed 477 00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:09.159 to to happen. And that's because every time n Leon makes it into a 478 00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:14.760 court of law, we learned a number of faces, Like during the Missaui 479 00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:20.519 sentence in phase which was often referred to as the Missawi trial, we learned 480 00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:24.280 that, you know, the FUI was aware for years that I've kind of 481 00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:32.320 planned to smash planes in the buildings and stuff like that, whereas we were 482 00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:37.400 told that we had no idea that this is going to happen, that nobody 483 00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:43.280 ever saw the idea this is going to happen, even though hijackings had taken 484 00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:49.280 place within the US with the intention of crashing into buildings before nine eleven. 485 00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:52.800 Yeah, but the mantra in place. But like you said, the mantra 486 00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:57.480 that came from not just Condolza Rice, but many other officials from the Bush 487 00:42:57.480 --> 00:43:02.840 administration was repeatedly, no one had any idea that this kind of thing could 488 00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:08.119 happen. This the idea that they presented that the projection was that this was 489 00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:13.760 an absolute surprise. You know. Of course, people brought up did the 490 00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:15.679 different drills and said, look, you guys had a drill here though that 491 00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:20.280 said this is a possibility. And what they say, well, look they 492 00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:23.320 imagine a million scenarios. It could be one and a million thing. You 493 00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:29.280 know, they kind of discounted that. Sorry, go ahead. During the 494 00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:34.760 g conference in July or two thousand and one, Bush and his family and 495 00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:39.960 Kandalisa Race all slept on the boat because there were threats that the summer beIN 496 00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:45.119 Lawton was planning and crashing a building, for crashing a plane into a building 497 00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:51.320 to take out the president. So just two months before nine eleven, they 498 00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:55.840 took precautions to protect the president against the plane crashing into a building and killing 499 00:43:55.920 --> 00:44:02.159 him. So there you go, as far is their idea of what they're 500 00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:06.960 aware of. Well, it was a credible enough threat for them to take 501 00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:12.639 security precautions. Only a couple of months before, which means that somewhere along 502 00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:17.199 the line, this was thought to be a credible, actionable threat in this 503 00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:21.880 type of action, right. I mean, it's it's that simple, isn't 504 00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:27.880 it. Yep, that's one thing I want to talk about the flip theory 505 00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:32.679 fast, yeah, please do. Years ago, years ago, raying Noachelski, 506 00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:39.199 John Duffy did a whole bunch of work on what was called who is 507 00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:44.719 Rich Blue? Who was the head of the All Decision, which was the 508 00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:53.039 CIA's the laudern unit for years. They wrote a book called Watchdogs Didn't Bark 509 00:44:53.800 --> 00:45:00.880 And it's all about the how the CIA protected two of the alleged high jackers. 510 00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:04.920 Anyway, they got a statement from George Tennant, coof of Black and 511 00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:12.519 Rich bl years ago that nobody seems to be reporting on, and I wrote 512 00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:16.599 something not being reported on by anyone that I could see. On August thirty 513 00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:22.880 eleven, George Tenant comfort Black and Rich by All released a statement that said 514 00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:29.920 quote. Mister Clark went on to speculate, which he admits is based on 515 00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:35.400 nothing other than his imagination that the CIA might have been trying to recruit these 516 00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:43.800 two future hijackers as agents. This much of what what mister Clarke said in 517 00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:52.480 his interview is utterly without foundation. So they denied it. So I mean 518 00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:57.679 and maybe this years ago. We've known about this information for so long, 519 00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:05.239 you know that this whole foot SERI nonsense. And like I said, they 520 00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:08.840 had the number one person they could have had in the world as an insider 521 00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:15.199 of outsider in Prince Bandar. You know, did he share what he knew 522 00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:20.960 with the Bush administration if you want to look at it that way. Well, 523 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:23.000 just to oversimplify this for the listener, John, what you mean to 524 00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:30.840 say here, just to be clear, is that ere look like they've done 525 00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:36.000 in other instances. Sometimes it appears as though somebody tries to recruit somebody for 526 00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:40.320 intelligence work, whether that be you know, deep dark stuff or just intelligence 527 00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:45.559 gathering, surveillance, etc. What have you, and they attempt to recruit 528 00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:52.559 them as a human asset, right in human intelligence. And what happens is, 529 00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:55.199 hey, look, that guy gets turned back around against the person trying 530 00:46:55.239 --> 00:47:00.280 to recruit them. It's a typical spine novel trope. It's a typical sort 531 00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:06.480 of concept and does happen real world okay, where you have people that appear 532 00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:10.000 to be being recruited and really, all they're doing is gathering intelligence on the 533 00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:15.039 people that are attempting to recruit them, which I argue our our our friend 534 00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:19.239 there, Uh well gee, now what was his name? Oh? Yeah, 535 00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:22.280 beag Daddy, right, who's probably gonna pop up and die again pretty 536 00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:27.599 soon. I don't know. Have they killed him finally? Anyway? Right? 537 00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:34.760 You remember bag Daddy? Well he was okay, Well, I think 538 00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:37.400 that that guy was definitely one of these guys who a whole bunch of people 539 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:42.440 tried to lay their hands on. And who he ended up working for is 540 00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:46.800 probably still not totally known, but he was an asset for sure, and 541 00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:53.559 probably one that had enough connections in particular places to be useful because, as 542 00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:59.440 we've learned by reading even the CIA's you know, Assassination Guide, they're willing 543 00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:05.719 to hire or anybody who has access to things, doesn't matter what their criminal 544 00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:10.599 association is, doesn't matter what they're alleged you know alignments are when it comes 545 00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:15.719 to the world, the geopolitical thing. Do they hate America? It doesn't 546 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:21.039 matter. They'll use anybody in any circumstance to get jobs done. So we 547 00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:25.079 know that about our own CIA and other intelligence agents, military intelligence, etc. 548 00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:30.719 They will do this, and they'll try and control some of these assets, 549 00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:32.840 and every once in a while they'll burn one too, right, I 550 00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:37.159 mean, this is just the way it's done. So this concept that some 551 00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:42.079 of these guys who were the you know, nineteen hijackers, unless you count 552 00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:46.519 Musaui as the twentieth. Right here we go, these guys, some of 553 00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:50.440 them, maybe they were people that we were trying to recruit. They got 554 00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:53.719 in and got away from our guys who were trying to recruit them. But 555 00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:59.039 in that case, if we know the Saudis had eyes on them, we 556 00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:01.880 allegedly or try to recruit them and therefore would have some sort of surveillance on 557 00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:07.199 them. But how is it we didn't know this was coming again, you 558 00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:09.840 know, that's one problem. Even more aware of anything, the CIA was 559 00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:16.480 aware. You know, it was a Saudi supposedly joy operation between the CIA 560 00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:24.800 and Saudi Arabia. And I wrote, I don't have a problem with the 561 00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:30.920 idea of the CIA work quote secretly working hand in glove end quote. I 562 00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:36.960 have a problem with the idea that it was quote to recruit Hamsey and Nidar 563 00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:42.639 as performance end quote. As I showed above, the Bush administration already had 564 00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:47.239 the perfect insider into Al Kainda. It doesn't get any better than Dan Dar, 565 00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:52.440 especially when you consider the recent news that Omar al Bayam, someone who 566 00:49:52.480 --> 00:50:00.440 helped the alleged hijackers quote reported directly to the long time Saudi ambassador to the 567 00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:06.599 United States, Prince Bendor, a close and longstanding family friend of the US 568 00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:10.800 President George W. Bush. Right, So, I don't you know they 569 00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:15.920 were protecting them. That's enough reason to stop everything, to put the brakes 570 00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:20.440 on everything and say what the fuck? Why were you doing this? Why 571 00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:24.199 were you protecting them? You know, as a result of you protecting them, 572 00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:29.400 you know, nine to eleven happened. Let's say, but there were 573 00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:34.800 you know, the Saudi Arabia is not the only cover up pertaining to nine 574 00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:39.039 to eleven. There's so many of them, so many the military jowls that 575 00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:45.199 were taking place that day that caused confusion on the ground. We hadn't documented 576 00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:49.760 that it was. There was confusion on the ground. But people in the 577 00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:53.159 ground say that there was confusion, and the people at the top say that 578 00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:59.519 the war games caused a better response. And yet none of the plays were 579 00:50:59.519 --> 00:51:02.440 interested did that day. So who's telling the truth? Well? Right, 580 00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:08.559 the nine eleven Commission couldn't couldn't be bothered to talk about the military drills taking 581 00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:12.760 place that day. They addressed in one of them is the back of the 582 00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:16.239 book at a footman, right, and look we we have also been through 583 00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:20.679 the whole, you know, the radar operators asking if something is a real 584 00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:25.639 world thing or it's there were simultaneously things going on that were clearly drills and 585 00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:31.280 exercises and what that has nothing to do with this, you know again, 586 00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:37.000 well good, Yeah, the nine eleven Commission was man needed to give the 587 00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:43.920 quote full and complete accounting end quote of the attacks of Final eleven and everything 588 00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:47.039 that they admitished from their report. Everyone they didn't talk to, all the 589 00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:52.039 whistle blowers that he ignored, shows that they failed in their mandate. And 590 00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:59.079 this has been twenty years already. Or their report was released in July two 591 00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:05.639 thousand and four, it's been christ twenty years or since however many years it's 592 00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:12.119 been since everyport was released. About nine nineteen cents the report was released, 593 00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:15.679 but twenty two cents the incident, right, So you know, pick and 594 00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:17.840 choose where you want to where you want to mark the line. Either way, 595 00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:22.760 let's go with the low number, nineteen years and long enough ahead. 596 00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:30.119 Well, the families, it's always been a mainstay of the Non eleven Truth 597 00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:35.320 movement to support the families and what we're doing when they're seeking truths, accountability 598 00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:39.239 and justice, and the families are involved in this lawsuit, and we've always 599 00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:45.320 supported the families. You know, before the nine eleven Commission, the Jersey 600 00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:51.559 Grows before where it was responsible for the creation of the Non eleven Commission, 601 00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:58.280 they were on the television all the time. During the Non eleven Commission, 602 00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:01.960 They're all on the television all the time. They were immedia darlings. And 603 00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:07.920 then once the nine eleven report was released and the official story was set in 604 00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:15.599 stone, they became persona non grata. They were not you know, they 605 00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:21.519 were releasing all these press releases that called them the question this and that and 606 00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:28.400 the other thing about the nine eleven that we're being ignored and this has been 607 00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:32.679 twenty years, nineteen years, whatever you want to call it. Well, 608 00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:37.280 once they released the once they released the book, right and the graphic novel, 609 00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:40.480 because let's not forget the graphic novel, uh, you know, the 610 00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:46.199 comic book version. Once they released those two things, John, that that's 611 00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:49.679 the end of it, right, I mean, well, we got we 612 00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:53.960 got our answers, and what were our answers? I'll leave it open. 613 00:53:54.000 --> 00:54:01.000 Their imagination a failure, I can imagine. Yeah, no one could have 614 00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:05.320 possibly thought this was going to happen, even though John just pointed out about 615 00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:07.960 five six instances where it wasn't just imagined, it was thought to be a 616 00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:12.880 credible threat, and you know people might have actually reacted to it, etc. 617 00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:17.039 Oh, let's paying no attention to that. But it amazes me that 618 00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:22.880 people that claim to care about this have forgotten about this part of it. 619 00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:27.079 Okay, they're not mentioning it. They're not talking about the lawsuit, they're 620 00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:30.800 not talking about what could be revealed here, they're not talking about any progress 621 00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:37.880 because it's all over. They have an answer ahead. The truth movement is 622 00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:42.840 the one that I knew, the one that supported the family seeking truth, 623 00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:47.519 accountability and justice, the one that supported the nine eleven first responders seeking healthcare, 624 00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:52.559 the one that's trying to put an end to the closet nine eleven world 625 00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:58.000 using the truth. Something we've been to not buy our government that no truth 626 00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:04.840 movement is dead and gone. You know, it's just gone. They care 627 00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:09.760 more about their theories and arguing about bullshit than than doing the right thing. 628 00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:19.639 Somebody brought up somebody brought up this argument. There's old argument that there were 629 00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:23.440 no planes on nine to eleven. Do you know how many hours I spent 630 00:55:23.800 --> 00:55:31.199 arguing with people about that ridiculous quan? How many hours wasted on that ridiculous 631 00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:37.079 quan? How many kinds have been used against us to discredit us? You 632 00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:47.400 know, that's what it's for, those kinds of things, right, Well, 633 00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:51.960 no, but that's precisely yeah, I'm sorry, but that's precisely how 634 00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:57.119 it is. You undermine any legitimate work here once you claim that it's all 635 00:55:57.159 --> 00:56:00.119 a fiction anyway, all right, and you lay it out there and you 636 00:56:00.199 --> 00:56:05.960 attach that to anybody who was seeking an alternate explanation to the official narrative, 637 00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:08.960 that's it. You know, just like all these people that say, well, 638 00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:13.000 you know what, are you one of those idiots that thinks John F. 639 00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:16.280 Kennedy actually came back as Jimmy Carter? You know, no, I 640 00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:20.079 don't. I'm not one of those guys. Are you one of these people 641 00:56:20.119 --> 00:56:23.039 that says there was absolutely no planes? They often will yell at me repeatedly. 642 00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:27.800 You know, nobody saw any planes that day, and I go, 643 00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:31.960 but I was in that area and knew people that saw planes that day, 644 00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:38.079 that saw this, that saw yes, that were there. I know that 645 00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:42.599 I was in Jersey. I know that I wasn't in New York that day, 646 00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:45.599 but I knew people in New York. I knew plenty of people in 647 00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:46.920 New York, and believe me, I knew people that were not far from 648 00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:52.559 there. I don't want to give out names, but I might even know 649 00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:55.079 a person's name or two that some people might know. You know who have 650 00:56:55.199 --> 00:57:00.039 been dragged through the mud on this stuff, already accused of a claiming of 651 00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:04.280 fiction. They didn't actually see a plane. Yah, they did. They 652 00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:07.320 saw a plane, they saw it, they reported it then. And I 653 00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:13.199 didn't question this John until two thousand and eight myself. Okay, I didn't 654 00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:16.239 get it. I didn't get a question in my mind until two thousand and 655 00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:21.239 eight, outside of what I saw in Michael Moore's movie, where I said, 656 00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:22.480 well, something's being covered up, but I didn't know what to do 657 00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:29.000 with it, you know. But I didn't really start to heavily question until 658 00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:31.679 two thousand and eight. So the stuff that I was getting was just the 659 00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:35.440 raw reports. You know. I heard about that. I heard about my 660 00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:37.880 friends who went there, and I heard about you know, the people that 661 00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:42.960 I sent stuff to because they locked down the island that day. I tried 662 00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:45.880 to get on there to help dig people out. Okay, that's what I 663 00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:49.079 tried to go from my job to go do and ended up just sending in 664 00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:52.719 cases of water from my job, my business. I ended up sending in 665 00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:55.199 you know, gloves and masks and stuff like that to help people dig, 666 00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:01.440 because that's how close I was to it. I'm not claiming that I'm special 667 00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:05.519 or anything or pat me on the backboard. I'm just telling you what I 668 00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:09.039 did, okay, and what I was concerned with. And I wanted to 669 00:58:09.039 --> 00:58:13.079 see if we could save anybody at first, and any of my friends who 670 00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:15.760 had construction or whatever who got onto the island, who got there as quick 671 00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:19.800 as they could because they shut the tunnels, they shut the bridge, couldn't 672 00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:23.840 get from Jersey to New York for a while there. Yeah, I decided 673 00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:28.880 it was best for me to send supplies in because they needed stuff to be 674 00:58:28.920 --> 00:58:31.119 able to dig, because it was all a volunteer operation to begin with. 675 00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:37.280 Okay, that's what I did, and I knew people that were there. 676 00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:39.079 I knew people that were there and knew people that were traumatized directly. I 677 00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:43.719 knew people that all of a sudden just saw this sweeping dust come down. 678 00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:47.440 I knew people in Jersey City who couldn't believe the crap that floated across the 679 00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:52.719 river and ended up all over where they lived. I knew that too. 680 00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:57.760 It's not you know something they just showed you on TV. There were things 681 00:58:57.800 --> 00:59:00.199 that happened. There was physical evidence of it. I know about it from 682 00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:05.039 people at a distance, from people right there, from people who looked up 683 00:59:05.079 --> 00:59:12.039 overhead and were scared to death that day. Right, my own wife calling 684 00:59:12.039 --> 00:59:14.840 me up. My first wife called me up, begging me to take my 685 00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:17.559 daughter out of daycare so that I could bring her home because we had military 686 00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:22.760 bases near us and we thought the country was under attack. John, Right, 687 00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:29.480 that's the reality of that day. That's the reality of good I remember 688 00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:32.360 going to two in the airport, a local airport, and all of a 689 00:59:32.360 --> 00:59:37.400 sudden, they were military people there from sixteens and it was a small, 690 00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:47.079 small airport. Right. The changes happened instantaneously, instantaneous, the pre nine 691 00:59:47.079 --> 00:59:52.679 to eleven world to the post nine to eleven world, we can no longer 692 00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:55.400 have a pre nine eleven mindset. Do you remember that? Oh yeah, 693 00:59:55.480 --> 00:59:59.840 yeah, absolutely. Look where I was, where I was working at a 694 01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:02.559 when I went back to work that day, all right, where I was 695 01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:07.400 working out of is an area near where the Himmenberg crashed in New Jersey, 696 01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:13.159 Okay, at Lakehurst Naval Air Base. Right, So I'm not far from 697 01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:16.440 there, which is right around a couple other military bases. McGuire and four 698 01:00:16.519 --> 01:00:22.960 Dicks are right in that same area. So there are military you know, 699 01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:29.280 borders. Let's say there are military perimeters that are generally guarded by people, 700 01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:31.079 right, and they're just guys that would sit in little guard boxes, you 701 01:00:31.119 --> 01:00:34.679 know, with little gates, and you could get on the base if you 702 01:00:34.679 --> 01:00:37.400 had permission in this kind of thing, right, So those guys who were 703 01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:42.440 dressed in a certain kind of uniform were instantly in a different uniform. And 704 01:00:42.519 --> 01:00:46.159 instead of maybe carrying a side arm that you didn't really see, we're carrying 705 01:00:46.280 --> 01:00:52.400 M sixteens at helmets on. There were tons of them, and there were 706 01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:55.920 armored vehicles rolled all over the place to block gates. That's in New Jersey, 707 01:00:57.079 --> 01:01:01.039 a place that wasn't even under attack. Right, Okay, So I 708 01:01:01.079 --> 01:01:07.719 saw that happen immediately immediately, and tanks rolled in civilian streets to get from 709 01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:13.000 place to place to go between those bases. By the way, Okay, 710 01:01:13.239 --> 01:01:15.760 so that was what was happening there and what I was hearing about from all 711 01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:20.800 over the place. While our computer systems went down, our credit card systems 712 01:01:20.840 --> 01:01:25.480 went down, the banks stopped working, some cell phones stopped working, and 713 01:01:25.480 --> 01:01:30.960 it was because of the disruption that was caust Okay, very very simple. 714 01:01:31.760 --> 01:01:37.880 That happened instantly. We were in a new era instantly. Anyway, I 715 01:01:38.199 --> 01:01:42.000 don't mean to drag you through my personal memories, John, I'm just saying 716 01:01:42.039 --> 01:01:45.320 that the people that try and act like it was just something they showed you 717 01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:51.679 on TV, that there wasn't real world effects, that there wasn't real world 718 01:01:51.679 --> 01:01:54.440 things happening, that there wasn't you know, it's it's all just made up. 719 01:01:54.519 --> 01:01:59.880 You know, those are holograms or those are you know they that's just 720 01:02:00.039 --> 01:02:02.400 what they showed you on TV. Right, nobody ever actually saw it. 721 01:02:04.199 --> 01:02:07.480 And plus, by the way, there's more than one crime scene, because 722 01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:10.440 don't forget about Pennsylvania. I don't know what to say about that, but 723 01:02:10.719 --> 01:02:15.440 I know it's part of it. And I know Washington, DC is part 724 01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:25.360 of it. And what happens there right now these guys or not the hijack 725 01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:35.960 hijacking, Yeah, well, and that's being reported on by the right. 726 01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:38.199 And that was the other thing is that there were other places too. I 727 01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:42.199 I don't know if you remember it, but we were getting reports of what 728 01:02:42.280 --> 01:02:45.239 there was a plane in Cleveland, there was a plane here or there. 729 01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:49.599 They took all the planes out of the sky that day. Everybody had to 730 01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:53.559 be grounded, right, everything was grounded. There was a lot going on 731 01:02:54.039 --> 01:02:59.599 Tuesday play the Tuesday plane, which is the what is it, the one 732 01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:07.039 for the I forget, which is for the continuity of government? Yeah, 733 01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:12.159 the wild those white jets that people did spot in footage later, right, 734 01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:15.840 those things were up in the air. Those things were up in the air. 735 01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:21.199 And uh and of course I wonder who on those plane, who was 736 01:03:21.199 --> 01:03:28.320 supposed to be in charge of the event? Yeah everybody? Yeah, did 737 01:03:28.360 --> 01:03:30.559 we ever get an answer about that, because of course we got the answer 738 01:03:30.599 --> 01:03:35.599 about Dick Cheney being in a bunker. You know, he was underground somewhere 739 01:03:36.239 --> 01:03:40.800 doing his thing. And we've heard from the former CIA director and Transportation Secretary 740 01:03:40.960 --> 01:03:46.159 right Panetta. We we've heard from him, we've heard from others about that 741 01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:51.280 whole situation. But who was in those flying fortresses? I have no idea, 742 01:03:52.400 --> 01:03:58.599 none of none, whatever the number of questions about bushing the class for 743 01:03:59.239 --> 01:04:04.280 like cho, there's so much stuff about nine eleven. But you could literally 744 01:04:04.280 --> 01:04:10.400 sit here for days and just talk about stuff. And I'm just trying to 745 01:04:10.400 --> 01:04:15.920 bring attention to one point that a good friend and the president, somebody who 746 01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:20.880 was talking about the need for war with Iraq prior to nine to eleven, 747 01:04:21.320 --> 01:04:28.599 they're talking to somebody who helped finance nine eleven before nine eleven is great, 748 01:04:29.599 --> 01:04:34.599 And you know, nobody thought to think or they who we should ask Bush 749 01:04:35.559 --> 01:04:40.920 about his relationship to Bandar and whether or not, you know, the both 750 01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:44.960 of these people wanted to war with Iraq. One of them paid for it, 751 01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:51.519 and you know, apparently was involved with the operational you know, part 752 01:04:51.559 --> 01:04:56.480 of it, you know, as far as being in charge of Omar al 753 01:04:56.599 --> 01:05:06.079 by Uni, you know Bandar. Should we talk to these people for twenty 754 01:05:06.199 --> 01:05:11.039 years? Well, John, do you honestly believe that somebody wants to come 755 01:05:11.119 --> 01:05:15.519 forward at this time and admit that you know, well, first of all 756 01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:18.119 we know, just at this point in time, that that the destruction of 757 01:05:18.119 --> 01:05:24.320 a sovereign nation under false pretenses took place when it comes to Iraq. I 758 01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:29.719 mean that's just a fact, okay, because they remember they had yellow cake 759 01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:32.280 uranium, they had weapons of mass destruction. Saddam was supposed to be tied 760 01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:39.239 to nine to eleven, all of those things simultaneously out there. Yeah, 761 01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:45.559 So that was the thing, right, And they preyed upon this national wounding, 762 01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:50.920 this idea that a design a need for vengeance right was gonna well up 763 01:05:50.960 --> 01:05:58.400 in the American populace, which it did, John, It did approval reading 764 01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:03.079 after nine to eleven, which basically gave him a green light to do whatever 765 01:06:03.199 --> 01:06:09.760 the hell he wanted to do because our military is concerned, right, And 766 01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:16.960 that's what he did exactly two He started two wars in we're talking about and 767 01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:20.480 the Ukraine. I could do that real fast. Yeah, I'd like I'd 768 01:06:20.519 --> 01:06:24.599 like to do Yeah, I'd like to tie a bow on it with that 769 01:06:24.679 --> 01:06:28.400 and get your viewpoint on that, because again, you're you're a legitimate anti 770 01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:31.559 war person, and I am having a hell of a hard time navigating through 771 01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:36.480 this mess because you know, people have tried to press pressure me to be 772 01:06:36.679 --> 01:06:43.559 uh A financially directly all kinds of different ways. People have punished me for 773 01:06:43.719 --> 01:06:48.519 not siding with Russia of all things in what's going on here, and uh 774 01:06:48.840 --> 01:06:54.000 of course, the American people are angry on The American people are angry at 775 01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:57.920 this point in time because we're all feeling a financial pinch, and the idea 776 01:06:57.960 --> 01:07:02.800 that we're sending money anywhere is problematic when we're all suffering here. Some people 777 01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:08.639 might say, wouldn't that money be better spent relieving the suffering of the American 778 01:07:08.719 --> 01:07:12.440 people? And I get that, and I'm with that, but and I 779 01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:15.920 don't want to support a war of any kind. But at the same time, 780 01:07:15.239 --> 01:07:19.199 you know, this is a complex situation. What are your thoughts on 781 01:07:19.239 --> 01:07:21.559 the Ukrainian thing? If you want to go ahead and tie a bow on 782 01:07:21.599 --> 01:07:25.960 this conversation with that, I'll let you have the floor, you say what 783 01:07:26.039 --> 01:07:30.039 you want, and we'll close it out. All right, here we go. 784 01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:33.440 This is a long, short story. After nine eleven, we'll actually 785 01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:36.880 in July of two thousand and one, Bush and putin we're having a discussion 786 01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:43.440 without the ABM Treaty, the Anti Ballistic Missile Treaty and he Putin told Bush 787 01:07:43.480 --> 01:07:46.239 that it was important to be in team that treaty after nine eleven, and 788 01:07:46.280 --> 01:07:51.280 one of the persons Bush did was eat it away with the Anti Ballistic Missile 789 01:07:51.320 --> 01:07:58.280 Treaty. As the year's progressed, all the anti Russian rhetoric started to come 790 01:07:58.320 --> 01:08:00.800 out of the woodwork, as far as media was concerned, as far as 791 01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:06.039 our politicians were concerned. After the fall of the Soviet Union, we were 792 01:08:06.079 --> 01:08:12.119 told the Soviets were our friends. They were our friends for a decade until 793 01:08:12.239 --> 01:08:17.000 nine eleven happened and all of a sudden Russia was no longer our buddies, 794 01:08:17.680 --> 01:08:20.960 but they were portrayed to be. And then in two thousand and eight, 795 01:08:21.039 --> 01:08:28.840 something called the Russia Georgia War took place, and at the time Russia was 796 01:08:28.920 --> 01:08:31.039 blamed just taking the first shot, but it was found out later that it 797 01:08:31.119 --> 01:08:35.279 was Georgia that actually took the first shot, and Cheney had a lot to 798 01:08:35.319 --> 01:08:42.960 do with that war. In two thousand and four, okay, using nine 799 01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:48.079 to eleven, the United States scooped up former Soviet states in Tornado, some 800 01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:56.680 of which along the border of Russia. I can you imagine how ape shit 801 01:08:56.880 --> 01:09:02.079 this country would go if we had Russian military bases on our border. This 802 01:09:02.199 --> 01:09:08.840 country went ap shit during the Cuban Missile crisis when when the Russians attempted to 803 01:09:08.880 --> 01:09:14.640 put the military base on Cuba. Just just so, there's two things. 804 01:09:15.399 --> 01:09:18.399 Uh. In two thousand, you know, uh, in two thousand and 805 01:09:18.479 --> 01:09:21.439 ten, between two thousand and ten, in two thousand and twenty, the 806 01:09:21.560 --> 01:09:29.079 US and said he maybe joined together in the attempt to bankrupt Russia using oil. 807 01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:34.439 In two thousand and fourteen, the US helped to orchestrate a coup, 808 01:09:35.640 --> 01:09:43.000 if you remember, with Obama and Victoria Newland and John McCain and all those 809 01:09:43.039 --> 01:09:50.479 guys helped to orchestrate a coup. And from two thousand and fourteen to I 810 01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:56.920 forget when we're something called the Don Boss, which is an area of the 811 01:09:57.239 --> 01:10:02.239 Ukraine, I believe that has Russia people when Ukraine was part of Russia. 812 01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:09.479 They're basically still Russians. They consider themselves Russians, but they're living in the 813 01:10:09.640 --> 01:10:14.760 Ukraine. But they're pro Russia. And they've been bombs the shit out of 814 01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:18.800 them. Since the our coupe. Upwards of fourteen dozen people have been killed. 815 01:10:18.800 --> 01:10:24.640 And yes, I understand they're part of those people are military people and 816 01:10:24.800 --> 01:10:29.800 part of those people are you know whatever, but people are getting killed for 817 01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:36.560 no reason. And you know, all these things have helped to push the 818 01:10:36.600 --> 01:10:44.600 buttons of Putin so much that eventually he had to come in to the Ukraine 819 01:10:44.720 --> 01:10:48.720 to do what he's doing now. We've pushed his buttons so much over the 820 01:10:48.840 --> 01:10:54.960 years, it's amazing. We haven't been in the where they're in now. 821 01:10:55.319 --> 01:10:59.960 And you know what, Russia and China have been the end game all along. 822 01:11:00.359 --> 01:11:04.640 You know, you could say that nine to eleven was America's Reichstein fire, 823 01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:11.199 and Russia and China where the ending. You know what we did. 824 01:11:11.239 --> 01:11:16.760 We destabilize the Middle East, We took that out, We took out Russia's 825 01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:26.279 allies Syria, and I ran another thing we did against Russia, oh my 826 01:11:26.439 --> 01:11:31.239 god, I mean you name things we've done against Russia since nine eleven. 827 01:11:32.800 --> 01:11:39.760 Well, I think that that is part of the equation. But it doesn't 828 01:11:39.760 --> 01:11:48.239 necessarily mean that there isn't an active attempt to seek a new Russian federation that 829 01:11:48.319 --> 01:11:53.640 takes a different stand in the world that you know, Putin doesn't have a 830 01:11:53.640 --> 01:11:58.399 different agenda there. That it's not necessarily poor Russia here. I don't feel 831 01:11:58.439 --> 01:12:02.079 as though the majority of the people Ukraine asked, you know. And that's 832 01:12:02.079 --> 01:12:05.319 the other thing is that they didn't ask for this. There's a lot of 833 01:12:05.319 --> 01:12:13.359 people dying needlessly now right now in the Ukraine. What happened, what has 834 01:12:13.399 --> 01:12:18.199 happened there is exactly what happened in Yemen. There's a proxy war taking place 835 01:12:18.279 --> 01:12:24.960 between the US and Russia and they're using the Ukraine to do so, just 836 01:12:25.079 --> 01:12:32.279 as you know they used Yemen between Saudi Arabia and Iran back by the US. 837 01:12:33.359 --> 01:12:40.279 Recognized by the US. I'm talking about Saudi Arabia during that war. 838 01:12:40.920 --> 01:12:44.920 And the Ukraine is going to end up a big mess. There's going to 839 01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:48.680 be disease, there's going to be all kinds of issues because of this war. 840 01:12:49.159 --> 01:12:54.079 But who knows where this war is going to lead. This isn't a 841 01:12:54.279 --> 01:13:01.199 freaking joke, you know. This war could lead to the bright light singing 842 01:13:01.279 --> 01:13:05.880 place all over the place. I have no doubt or a little doubt when 843 01:13:05.920 --> 01:13:14.199 the news somewhere is going to explode somewhere and I don't know what, who's 844 01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:18.079 going to be responsible for it. I'm sure there's gonna be questions about it, 845 01:13:18.039 --> 01:13:24.520 who is responsible for it? And it's not going to be as clear 846 01:13:24.600 --> 01:13:30.399 cut as everybody makes it up to me. I bet in the meantime, 847 01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:32.880 as I said, I feel as though there are a great many people that 848 01:13:32.920 --> 01:13:36.840 are going to suffer there and it should not be. I think it's uh, 849 01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:44.880 it's it's absolutely horrendous when a much larger nation state goes ahead and takes 850 01:13:44.880 --> 01:13:46.920 a part a small one. I can't well, why, you know, 851 01:13:48.640 --> 01:13:53.720 why why can't Joe Biden pick up the telephone they call Putin and say, 852 01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:57.159 look, what do we need to do to result? Is this shoe non 853 01:13:57.159 --> 01:14:02.840 militarily, not without without people dying. As soon as Joe Biden said that 854 01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:08.560 Putin has to go, he told the American people, but this war is 855 01:14:08.560 --> 01:14:15.279 gonna last for years. Because you get rid of Putin needs you have to 856 01:14:15.319 --> 01:14:21.399 go into the capital of Russia and then kick out Putin, which you can't 857 01:14:21.439 --> 01:14:27.039 do. But there are other things. The horror of that, though, 858 01:14:27.159 --> 01:14:30.199 is how many years can a place like Ukraine have anything left if this fighting 859 01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:34.359 keeps up. I mean that that that that's the thing to be destroyed. 860 01:14:34.560 --> 01:14:40.560 An entire place is going to be destroyed, you know, and you know, 861 01:14:40.600 --> 01:14:43.640 who knows what the end result is going to be after that? Because 862 01:14:43.680 --> 01:14:47.600 the war is not going to end with the Ukraine. It's going to continue. 863 01:14:48.720 --> 01:14:54.199 And no, I don't condone what Russia's has done, even though we've 864 01:14:54.199 --> 01:14:58.800 done all this shit against Russia, I do not condone what Russia is doing, 865 01:14:58.880 --> 01:15:01.800 what Putin is doing. I think there's a criminal for doing what he's 866 01:15:01.840 --> 01:15:06.720 doing. You know it was a criminal. And had questions about him as 867 01:15:06.760 --> 01:15:13.359 far as false flag attacks and the chest the apartment buildings for years ago in 868 01:15:13.399 --> 01:15:16.239 the nineties. Right, So I'm not I'm not an idiot. I know 869 01:15:16.359 --> 01:15:21.239 who Putin is. But I'm just saying we've done so much over the years 870 01:15:21.279 --> 01:15:26.920 to get us to this point. We couldn't have ended up anywhere else because 871 01:15:26.920 --> 01:15:30.079 I think this is our plan all along. The Russia was the end game. 872 01:15:30.439 --> 01:15:34.439 We have to take out Russia, we have to take out China for 873 01:15:34.680 --> 01:15:40.920 world domination. And in two thousand and five, both Russia and China got 874 01:15:40.960 --> 01:15:47.760 together and made a statement that world that warned of the world about the US's 875 01:15:47.880 --> 01:15:55.119 attempts at world domination. You know, this was two thousand and five. 876 01:15:56.800 --> 01:16:02.159 Well, all I can say is I just some sanity prevails before many many 877 01:16:02.199 --> 01:16:05.159 more because there are a lot of people dying already. There are a lot 878 01:16:05.159 --> 01:16:08.640 of people dying already, and I think it's needless. I don't think it 879 01:16:08.640 --> 01:16:13.199 needed to happen. And you know, and that's that's where I'm at with 880 01:16:13.239 --> 01:16:15.800 it. No, I'm not one of these cheerleaders for Putin. It's not 881 01:16:15.880 --> 01:16:17.560 gonna be that way. You know. There's a lot of people that are 882 01:16:17.600 --> 01:16:21.119 just like it is very Joe bud and I don't think any of it is 883 01:16:21.199 --> 01:16:27.640 justified. I get that things have gone on here and there's always plenty of 884 01:16:27.680 --> 01:16:30.880 dirt. I mean, don't forget it around in that triad of things that 885 01:16:31.279 --> 01:16:35.319 you know, people like Bolton there wanted to go after, right, what 886 01:16:35.399 --> 01:16:39.520 was this big thing before we got into the Trump administration, telling us we 887 01:16:39.520 --> 01:16:43.880 got to go after China, I ran and Russia altogether. Right, that 888 01:16:43.960 --> 01:16:45.880 was his thing, even as an independent guy not in government, when he 889 01:16:45.960 --> 01:16:50.239 was on the TV stations, I think he was still running around pretty much 890 01:16:50.239 --> 01:16:53.680 telling everybody, look, we got to take out these threats. We gotta 891 01:16:53.720 --> 01:16:58.239 take out these threats. Regardless of whether they were actually directly threatening us or 892 01:16:58.239 --> 01:17:01.000 not. It was irrelevant. It was just the plan in some people's minds. 893 01:17:01.359 --> 01:17:05.920 I know that. Nonetheless, I just I can't stand on the side 894 01:17:05.960 --> 01:17:10.720 of Well Putin's right, He's just I can't do it. I can't do 895 01:17:10.760 --> 01:17:13.319 it no matter what names they call me, no matter what money they've taken 896 01:17:13.359 --> 01:17:15.640 from me, no matter what jobs they find away from the ready. They 897 01:17:15.720 --> 01:17:20.079 both of them are wrong and point out the fact that the US pushed Putin 898 01:17:20.119 --> 01:17:26.560 into doing what he's started to say, But the US got us to where 899 01:17:26.640 --> 01:17:30.000 we are stay. Yeah, Well, that's the thing I have said repeatedly 900 01:17:30.039 --> 01:17:32.600 that I don't see a hero in here. I don't see anybody on the 901 01:17:32.680 --> 01:17:38.760 righteous side of it except the people, the civilians that are suffering that didn't 902 01:17:38.800 --> 01:17:42.279 ask for this, Okay, the people that are on the ground that didn't 903 01:17:42.359 --> 01:17:45.680 ask for this, that are getting bombed out of their houses and everything else, 904 01:17:45.319 --> 01:17:47.960 that are sitting there trying to figure out how to keep the electricity on, 905 01:17:48.319 --> 01:17:53.680 that are not sure who's shrapnel bomb is going off. Where those people 906 01:17:54.399 --> 01:17:59.399 are the people that I am my heart is broken for, because they are 907 01:17:59.399 --> 01:18:02.680 the people that are suffering that should not be suffering. You know, every 908 01:18:02.760 --> 01:18:06.159 July fourth, we just send it July fourth. What do we do as 909 01:18:06.199 --> 01:18:14.840 Americans celebrate July fourth? We blow up things? Yeah, but we make 910 01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:19.800 explosions in the air. It's the closest Americans get to experiencing what it's like 911 01:18:20.600 --> 01:18:26.399 being bombed well up to this point, daily basis up to this point so 912 01:18:26.439 --> 01:18:30.399 far, okay, but but who knows what the future is going to hold, 913 01:18:30.479 --> 01:18:34.439 especially if everybody keeps playing the games that they do. Anyway, John 914 01:18:34.520 --> 01:18:38.039 Gold, is there anything else that we need to add to this before we 915 01:18:38.079 --> 01:18:41.840 go? Because I wanted all the updates on nine to eleven and really feel 916 01:18:41.840 --> 01:18:44.920 good about what we put out here or what you put out here. Mostly 917 01:18:44.960 --> 01:18:47.439 today, I just asked a few questions and throw a few comments in. 918 01:18:47.600 --> 01:18:50.800 But I mean, should that bring people up to speed or you want to 919 01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:55.399 give them the headline on this what they should take away from your nine to 920 01:18:55.439 --> 01:18:59.840 eleven discussion. We should support people, if you should support the nine eleven 921 01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:05.239 at least are about in the nine eleven lawsuit against Saudi Arabia. Again, 922 01:19:05.560 --> 01:19:10.880 the US despises what nine eleven is in a court of law because, as 923 01:19:10.920 --> 01:19:14.880 we just learned, you learn things that the American government doesn't want us to 924 01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:23.439 learn, like omar By UNI being responsible for taking care of two of the 925 01:19:23.479 --> 01:19:29.880 hijackers under the direction of bandar Bush. You know, we learn things like 926 01:19:29.960 --> 01:19:34.800 that, so to be supportive of them. The name of the judge from 927 01:19:34.840 --> 01:19:42.880 the trial is Judge George Daniels, so keep in my om that Dan support 928 01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:48.600 them when you can now because a screw war. Listen. At all times, 929 01:19:48.600 --> 01:19:54.159 what we should be supporting is, you know, the peaceful acquisition of 930 01:19:54.199 --> 01:20:00.279 the truth. And unfortunately everything in the world cannot be peaceful, be because 931 01:20:00.439 --> 01:20:05.039 there are many people that profit too mightily from anything but peace. So you 932 01:20:05.079 --> 01:20:09.239 know, there we have it, not just our military industrial complex, but 933 01:20:09.319 --> 01:20:14.920 a whole ecosystem of those that benefit from blood and war is in play at 934 01:20:14.960 --> 01:20:18.079 all times, and unfortunately, that is the world in which we find ourselves. 935 01:20:18.319 --> 01:20:20.800 Anyway, John Gold, if you go to we were lied to about 936 01:20:20.920 --> 01:20:26.039 nine one dot com, Like I said, go there, check out the 937 01:20:26.159 --> 01:20:30.119 articles. I've given a couple of links in the chatroom at o'ceelly dot com, 938 01:20:30.159 --> 01:20:32.520 but there will be other links that will be attached to this show and 939 01:20:32.800 --> 01:20:35.600 a little bit of text from John as well, which I'm going to adapt 940 01:20:35.600 --> 01:20:40.640 into the show notes and give you guys a description about what was covered here 941 01:20:40.680 --> 01:20:44.760 in detail, so you can go and read over it for yourself. Inform 942 01:20:44.840 --> 01:20:47.760 yourself at all times, I am merely Ocelli. All of you are, 943 01:20:47.840 --> 01:21:20.520 indeed the effect revelation through conversation Wall Street, Street, Window, dot Com, 944 01:21:24.520 --> 01:21:30.560 Gold, Silver, the stock market, Wall Street Window, dot doll. 945 01:21:31.600 --> 01:21:35.560 Perhaps you're invested deeply, Perhaps you're not in deep enough. 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