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Sometimes an episode of the Twilight Zone
is too big for a regular episode of

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the Twilight Zone podcast, which is
why last time round we had an extended

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edition to look at Nightmare at twenty
thousand Feet in all of its forms.

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But even after that two and a
half hour podcast, that is still some

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unfinished business now. As we know, Nightmare of twenty thousand Feet were supposed

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to be covered two years ago in
twenty twenty two, and I even had

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a Nightmare of twenty thousand Feet month
over at the after Hours Club on Patreon

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with the reading twilight Zone Radio,
a commentary, all kinds of stuff.

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It was going to be a big
deal, but unfortunately life just got very

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busy at the time, and because
this was a landmark episode and I wanted

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to give it that extra special attention, I just wouldn't have been able to

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do that. I was gearing up
for it, though, and I even

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put our regular poll over on the
after Hours Club on Patreon for members to

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vote and comment on Nightmare twenty thousand
Feet. So before we get to anything

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else, why don't we tackle that
now. At the time, fifty three

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members voted, and of them,
fifty called it top Tier three voted at

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mid tier and nobody at all voted
at bottom tier, so probably not very

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surprising results there. And we had
a few comments from members. Our old

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friend uncommon Nasa said it's top tier, but at the bottom of the top

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tier hashtag hot take. Mark Mustyle
said top tier, even with the Shad

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doing his thing and the Teddy Bear
costume. Chad Boykin said not a personal

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favorite, but I'd say clearly top
tier. It's one everyone knows and the

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suspense is palpable. My good friend
Mark Ramsey said, I hope to write

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something half that good one day.
Well, well, Mark is doing good

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stuff in the podcast and space all
the time, so I think he's on

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the road to that for sure.
Jay Howard said top tier. It has

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Shatner and Richard Donner directing Matheson's script, just payerfect. Longtime friends of the

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show Vera Bible said top tier,
though I think Shatner's best Tez work is

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a nick of time. Well that's
the old debate, isn't it which one's

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the best? So thank you,
Vera. Nick Wakeling says clearly top tier.

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My good friend Roger Scarlett said I
watched The Twilight Zone during its first

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run, but cannot record a specifics
of those face viewings for the most part,

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but the cart and pullback in this
episode was etched in acid on my

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eight year old brain. At that
age, Nikravat's Gremlin suit was not an

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impediment to a truly nightmarish experience.
Top tier all the way. My good

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friend Brandon Shane Mtala said the Lithgo
Vasion is better and then in brackets afterwards

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ducks and runs. Roger Moore says, when you say classic Twilight Zone episodes

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to save man time enough at last, will the real Martian please stand up?

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I have the beholder and it's a
good life just instantly pop into your

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head. I definitely think this episode
holds a spot with them in this category

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and it's definitely top tier. The
architect of the After Hours Club, Sean

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Fitzgibbon says iconic director Richard Donner manages
to ratchet up the tension throughout this episode

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and within the tight confines of a
commercial airline and utilizing a wonderful script by

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the great Richard Matheson. William Shatner
is paerfect as the tormented airline passenger with

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a history of mental illness. Christine
White does a wonderful job trying to balance

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understanding her husband while also suspecting that
he may be suffering another nervous breakdown.

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Thank you, Sean. Harold know
Me says, narrowly misses out on the

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top tier. For me, I
did enjoy this story of man's anxiety being

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given flesh and therefore made tangible by
the twilight Zone. That's how I see

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the story. The last shot is
a bit of a cop out in my

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opinion. I would have preferred that
the existence of the gremlin remained ambiguous,

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but I suppose Matheson wanted a clear
supernatural element in this one good episode with

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some great elements. Shatner was pretty
good, though I did prefer his performance

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in Nick of Time to this one
from Haroldnmi aka Day from Germany. Thank

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you, Dave. Now, because
members of the After Hours Club will come

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and go, and a lot of
people have joined since then, I thought

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I would put a new poll out
just to test the waters with this one

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again. Now the results will not
surprise anyone. For some reason, the

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historic pole gives you number of votes
where this one gives you percentages. But

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I guess the results are pretty much
the same. Ninety eight percent say that

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it is top tier, two percent
say it's middle tier, and nobody says

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it's bottom tier, so you know, pretty much the same. Joseph Flicino

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says, truly an impactful episode on
the zone and pop culture, A certified

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top tier in my book. The
creature may be a goof from a distance,

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but close up shots or the suspenseful
window reveal still make me jump when

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seeing them on the internet. But
who am I to judge? The two

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headed miss Dingle Martians terrified me at
eight in the early two thousands. Best

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wishes, Tom, best wishes to
you, Joseph, thank you. Uncommon

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NASA chimes in again. He says
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it's in my top ten or twenty, though. I like how when I

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was a kid the jump scares and
monsters' facial expressions were scary, and as

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I've gotten older, I find all
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quality, but the actor's mannerisms on
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nonchalant if you pay attention to it, it's kind of like dark humor to

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me. Now, now this kind
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me because I remembered research in the
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round, and it's something that maybe
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this time round. In the short
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the wing is actively trying to antagonize
our main character, whereas in the TV

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show, the gremlin has, like
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nonchalant kind of thing. He's just
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kind of curious about Wilson in the
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a few times, but it's less
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the original short story it was more
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NASA brings up a good point there. Champagne Drum says, what an episode.

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It's historical, fantastic pacing by the
director, Shatner is the best,

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the wife is great, supporting actors
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The monster couldn't imagine him any other
way. And I think that's thank you

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Champagne Drum, by the way,
but I think that's key for me as

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well. It's like, you know, we can talk about how it could

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have been better or this or that
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made before I was, it's always
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had that much of an issue with
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just well, that's the way it
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top ten. Anyone who thinks Shatner
is not a great actor has not seen

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this episode. Thank you, Al. I completely agree. Joe Mayer says

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top tier. There are levels to
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think about Wilson's predicament. He wants
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to regain the confidence and faith of
his wife, and he is confronted

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with this decision tell the truth and
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say nothing and hope that the Gremlin
simply stops before it's too late. The

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true horror of this story is in
the decision that Wilson has to make so

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many rabbit holes to think about.
I love it, Thank you, Joe

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appreciating Man. Longtime friend of the
show, John Hayes says easily top tier.

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In fact, top ten. Shatner's
over the top acting was perfect for

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this story and his character having come
out of an insane asylum, and the

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creature was just scary looking enough for
the time without being egregious. The only

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improvement would have been if they had
been able to bring in the actress that

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had played his wife and Nick of
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time that the series had a sequel
episode, at least in spirit. Thank

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you, John much appreciated. Jordan
Dollek says, I actually have a hard

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time with this one. I enjoyed
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general. It's thoroughly memorable, but
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With that in mind, I'm left
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episode if it weren't something so ingrained
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podcast episode didn't make mention of the
Simpson's version of the story. I think,

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Jordan, you bring up an interesting
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You know, what do you do
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great or you know, legendary,
but you just aren't getting that feel And

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I think we all have those things, so it's completely understandable the podcast episode

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not mentioning the Simpsons. Well,
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Actually, I did consider doing a
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that stuff, but you know,
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long at that point. Anyway.
You know, sometimes it's not about what

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you put in but what you leave
out. You've got to make those decisions,

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and it was kind of at the
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I think two and a half hours
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So thank you, Jordan. Our
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enjoyed this episode a lot. I
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it's genuine concern of flying, and
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anxiety at a fever pitch. I
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entertain a fear of something and then
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more disturbing scene that no one else
shares. I do like the ending where

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no one believes the character until they
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what happened here? It's great suspense. Thank you, Joe, much appreciated.

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So that is our comments over on
the After Hours Club Patreon dot com,

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slash Twilight Zone podcast. Now we
have some more fun and games with

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Nightmare of twenty thousand Feet coming up
in just a moment. But I just

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wanted to say briefly that today,
as of recording this now, I did

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put out that podcast episode about sailing
Fest taking place in August twenty twenty four.

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Now they have just announced that it's
going to be delayed. Apparently it's

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still going to be in twenty twenty
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if you follow the Rod Sailing Memorial
Foundation on their social media, and I

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will obviously be talking about it here
as well, then you know we'll give

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you the updates on when it's actually
going to be. Hopefully those who are

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going to make it can still make
it. Now with that in mind,

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I just want to say a big
thank you to some people, because,

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as I mentioned, you know,
this is a bit of a trip of

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a lifetime going to see Rod's statue
and quite possibly my last sailing fest.

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I would never say that one hundred
percent, because you know, I wish

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I could go every year, but
if I'm going to kind of put a

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bookend on this thing, the first
time I went it was the sixtieth anniversary

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of the Twilight Zone and this time
it's rod Sailing Centena a year and also

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the unveiling of a statue. But
it is an expensive trip and I want

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to say a great thank you to
some generous people who since I announced,

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since I announced the trip and sailing
Fest and everything, have been very generous

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in making donations towards my airfare and
so on. And they are my old

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friend Mark Barnhill, had a great
time with him at sailing Fest last time.

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Looking forward to doing it again this
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I appreciate it a lot. Carra
she also made the donation, so thank

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you so much, Caara, I
really appreciate it. And also Jim Thin

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he made the donation as well.
Very generous donation, and Jim, I

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really appreciate it. Man, thank
you so much. My old friend Chad,

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the author of the Twilight Zone High
Coup still out there, still available

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Amazon, Barnes and Noble all those
places, or the audio book narrated by

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me is also out there as well. Chad made the donation. Hope to

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see more of you in sailing Fest
this time round, Chad, and I'll

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be pointing them out if you're around
in sailing Fest and Chad is around,

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I'll be saying I'll be saying this, Chad boy can go and get a

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book signed by him. Also,
Joe Mayer, great friend of the show.

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Joe Mayer made a very generous donation
as well. Thank you so much,

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Joe. I really appreciate it.
You are you helping me make this

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dream trip a reality. And then
Dane Bauerman. Dane has been a great

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supporter for a long time. Back
in twenty nineteen, he made a very

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generous donation as well towards the trip, and he has done this time round

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as well. So thank you,
Dane, I really appreciate it. And

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then Dennis Funk, another longtime friend
of the show, a great supporter,

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and he too has made a very
generous donation. And I got to say,

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you know, this podcast there is
a lot of work. You know.

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You sit in this room doing editing
for hours on end and recording and

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putting things together and writing things.
And I think the kindness and generosity that

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people show me at times like this, I never take it for granted,

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and I really appreciate it. And
one thing I've done for anyone who makes

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a donation towards the trip. I've
set up an Instagram page. Now it's

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going to be private for anyone who
makes that donation. Patreon people, just

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hold that thought for now. I
will come back to you about that in

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the future. But anyone who's made
these donations in this way will get access

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to this private Instagram account where when
I'm on the trip, I will post

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photos there. I will post videos
there, videos where yes, I'm talking

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to you through the camera, so
you know, it'll be on camera there

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in front of Rod's statue or whatever. You know, it'll be a video

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diary on this Instagram account for people
who have made donations towards the trip.

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So, if you would like to
make a one off donation or support me

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on Patreon at the after Hours club, go to the Twilight Zone podcast dot

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com slash donate and there's a couple
of options there on how to do it.

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And like I say, if you
do that one time donation, then

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I will send you the details about
how to get access to that Instagram account

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where you know you will be along
for the ride on that trip with me.

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And like I say, Patreon supporters, I've got you two or we'll

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talk about that in the future.
Down the line. But I've had some

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new members of the After Ours Club
as well, and I will shout you

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guys out on the next episode now. Originally, when I'm meant to put

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out Nightmare of twenty thousand Feet two
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weird out for podcast listeners to send
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I was going to play out that
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put the podcast together, it was
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this extra episode that we're doing now. So I'm going to play out with

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those later on. But in the
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been two years since that episode should
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things that I do every month over
in the After Hours Club is a monthly

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Twilight's Own commentary, and it's usually
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I'd already covered in the podcast.
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I brought in my old friend Zach
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on this season five episode Nightmare of
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a very off the cuff thing.
It's not like a planned commentary with facts

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and figures. All the commentaries I
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on the spot. But it was
just fun to sit and talk Nightmare of

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twenty thousand Feet with my old friend
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commentary for you here and now as
a little bonus for you, the listeners

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of the twilight Zone podcast, to
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for Nightmare of twenty thousand Feet,
but if you are a member of

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the after Hours club over on Patreon, this month, Zach and I are

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going to get together again and bookend
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of Nightmare at twenty thousand feet and
just wrap this whole thing up with a

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nice bow. So this is the
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years ago for Nightmare of twenty thousand
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play out on some listener clips and
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this episode pretty well. So thank
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to you soon here in the twilight
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learned while doing my research on nightmare
at twenty thousand feet. It's that if

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you're going to freak out on a
plane, then you want someone next to

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you with a good supply of sleeping
pills. And thank goodness, tonight I

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have my good friend Zach Moore or
Zach, how's it going. Hey,

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that's what I'm here for. Put
you to sleep? So thank you,

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man, thank you. Just close
the window, just don't look outside.

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Everything will be fine. Just pass
me another sleeping pill please. Ever since

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I've known you, man, I
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of twenty thousand feet. There's always
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the same ever since you've first seen
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know, I was introduced to all
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my parents, who also watched these
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when I say all these things,
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So it's like it's hard to separate
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course, you're gonna love the episodes, or William Shatner Captain Kirk himself is

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in the Twilet Zone. You're gonna
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helps that they're very, very good
episodes like they're legitimately some of the best

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of the show, like just objectively
right, And then favorites is so subjective,

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but it's like, if there's one
that I will always think about and

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revisit it, it's this one.
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gets on airplanes and six x windows
and you know, it's just you can

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put yourself in this more than a
lot of You're not gonna I mean,

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you're probably not gonna go into space. You know, you're not gonna meet

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an alien, right, but you
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kind of nervous, right, and
that plays out from there. So I

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think all those reasons are why this
ranks is as my favorite. And there's

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so many that are my favorites,
but you know, if you have to

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pick one, this is the one
for me, and I think it is.

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Zone. I mean, we'll get
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this episode a bit as we speak, But I wanted you to be here,

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man, because I knew it was
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to do something a bit special for
Nightmare of twenty thousand feet months here on

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Patreon, So you know, it's
always it's always good to talk to you

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about it, and you and I
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feet on the main show and that
came out, so you know, I

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thought it'd be a good idea to
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going to do the podcast, the
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episode. I don't take any notes
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and watch it, you know,
let it work its magic kind of thing.

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episode, but I haven't done the
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This is the watch. Yeah,
so we're going to do it here live,

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and you know, I've not prepared
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I'm sure both of us will know
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we're just going to sit and watch
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chat through it. So sound good, sounds good? Usually I do what

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did I think of it? Then, you know what, I can't really

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do that on this occasion, so
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it. So when you are ready, Zach, I will count us down

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and at home, if you've got
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then we will go after three.
So three two one play, Okay,

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I think I think we're going.
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when we're doing this kind alive on
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going to happen. So this,
this Twilight Zone opening, is this your

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favorite? It's hard to say favorites. I think season one has just got

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a wonderful atmosphere to it. But
in terms of iconography, this one's pretty

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hard to beat, isn't it.
You know, right, the eye,

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the door, what about you the
same? I think it's just because it's

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been reused like in the movie right, And I think that alone kind of

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submitted it. And it's in two
seasons, and all the other openings are

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just in one, or even less
than one in some cases. So yeah,

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yeah it he is the man himself
there is. I'm always kind of

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sad that. I mean, you
probably know the trivia that they wanted to

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get the wife from Nick of Time
to do this as well. Matthison one

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said that, but they couldn't get
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I think that's interesting, but it's
also very confusing. So it's probably for

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the you know, because this is
not the same guy. You know.

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returning couples, you know. Yeah, it was a just set geeks kind

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of like cause filling in those gaps
for years on end. Maybe he changed

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his name, you know, after
that experience, he had a mental brickdown

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and a diner very much like this
one. Yeah, smoking on planes.

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Did you ever go on a plane
when you were still allowed to smoke?

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there being ashtrays on planes, but I

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think when I was a kid,
but I think even by that time it

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had been banned from airlines, like
in the early nineties. But that's just

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it's incredible to think just that smoking, right, I mean, like restaurants

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used to go into all the time, right, smoking not smoking, right,

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No, like the most air tight
thing you can get, it's just

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full of smoke. I went on
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and compartments on a plane, and
it's crazy to think of it now six

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months, six months, six months. I mean a lot of this trivia

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will go in the main show.
But in Matheson's original short story, he

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actually had a load of stuff on
at the beginning of you know how he

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got to this point before they got
on the plane. You know what happened

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to him. His instinct to was
we've got to get it on the plane.

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gotta put the lid on, that
pressure cookon and get things move and but

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yeah, it's sort of interesting to
think of the road not taken. You

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know, well, you're mentioning,
you know, Nightmare month. On the

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Patreon, you posted the radio play
of this with John Shinner from Smallville Jonathan

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Hint playing the main character, which
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getting discharged and stuff, and it's
like, wow, like they just added

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a lot of stuff. But it
makes sense because you're an episode like this

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is so visual, it's like you
kind of have to add other things because

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it's that was interesting too, not
to talk about I remember we're talking about

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the episode, not the radio play. But like that one has a lot

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of interior like narration in his head. M hm. Because there's really no

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other way to do that, right, even because he's the only one they're

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seeing this experiencing and he can't talk
out loud, is why. I just

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thought that was a very interesting way
to approach it. So a lot of,

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like you said, different roads you
could take to the same story.

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Yeah, I was quite impressed by
ware we go. Let's well listen to

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the man himself has just been discharged
from spent Shata does good work here.

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Man Shada always does good work.
He gets a bad rap. Just look

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at this acting. Yeah, oh, I mean that's that's kind of iconic.

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The terminal sign behind him. We've
seen this image a lot. But

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he needed to be sat on that
plane, you know, smoking with the

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no smoking sign on next to him, you know, darkest quarter of the

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twilight Zone. Yeah, whatever you
like, I'd say one averay five pictures

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you see Rod Serling in an article
somewhere is him and from that terminal sign

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for whatever reason. So yeah,
yeah, but it's a real shame,

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right, But yeah, I think
John Schneider did a great job on that.

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And you're right because he about Richard
Donner from Superman the movie. I

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know, somebody's supermad. He directed
so many episodes in the season. I

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think he directed about five. Probably
this is the only one we all remember

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though. Unfortunately, I'm sorry,
didn't mean to cut you off about talking

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about John Schneider. Yeah, you
know, he really had a lot of

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heavy lifting to do with it,
you know, because all this visual stuff

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isn't there, and I think he's
done a really good job of it.

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Mm hmm. She's been on the
sleeping pills. What are you doing?

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Yeah? And how many airplanes we've
been on where there's two seats I can't

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recall. Sometimes there's like three in
the middle, two on each side.

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where it's just two two. That's so

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nice, because if you're traveling with
a friend or your significant other and there's

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two of you, there's always that
like we're gonna have to sit by akin.

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It's like, if there's only just
two seats, that really clean it

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up. So okay, there is
Oh, he's already there in a way.

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That's probably the best shot of the
thing of the Gremlin, where you

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can barely see him. You can
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Yeah, the more you see,
Yeah, that's a gift right there.

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There's so many gifts from this episode. Do you use his reactions? And

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you've used them all. I've used
them all. It's amazing though, you

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know from the short story how much
of it is really dead on, you

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know, like I was shocked as
well, like lions directly from that into

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this. I feared there'd be a
lot more variation. But even though the

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wife isn't there, they lift so
many things lying for line and the behavior

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of the gremlin as well, you
know, the way it floats onto the

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wing and stuff like that. Yeah, I always criticize that. In the

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episode, I was like, why
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It's done, But in the story
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like, Wow, they're actually being
faithful to the words. Well, I

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mean, you'll hear it in the
main show because there's a big section about

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gremlins, but it's based on actual
kind of airplane folklore where like all these

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World War II pilots would crash their
planes and they'd be like it was a

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gremlin, you know, there was
a little creature. It's done this it's

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done that, and it was so
well known that it just became this kind

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of weird phenomenon. And apparently the
people who said it really believed it,

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but they would describe things like this, you know, Gremlin's flying onto their

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plane and getting in. And I
think an explanation for it that's kind of

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been floated is because the planes were
so basic back then. You know,

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they probably had lack of oxygen.
They were Yeah, they were just hallucinating

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them because it was in their mind
that other people had seen them, then

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they saw them as well. So
you know, I think it's all kind

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of based on that. Really.
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the term grimlin of these days are
right, I mean, I don't know

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if everybody does, but you think
that the movies Grimlins, right, little

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critter guys are around doing their nonsense. And then also that the term grimlin

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is still used for like software,
like, oh, there's a Grimlin in

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the software your computer crash, like
that terminology has has. But that's way

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off what it wasn't back in the
day. But it's interesting that sticks with

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us even today. That's it,
yeah, based on the similar thing.

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said, Shatner is a great actor,

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Okay, Like I will defend him
to my last breath because like when he's

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like such subtlety he has to put
on display here like look like it's all

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on his face, like and yeah, when he tears it up to eleven,

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which is great, you know here
Captain Kirk. Other places, he

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knows what to do, right,
But he's just so there's a reason he's

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such a successful actor for like sixty
years, right, yeah, definitely.

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Oh, here we go, look, here we go. Just just a

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little tiny reaching up to the cat
and biggest drump scare ever coming up right

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here. Wait for it. That's
creepy, Okay, yeah, yeah it

406
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looks got a fake Okay, but
if you're like a five year old kid

407
00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:07.200
like I was when I first saw
that, that burns into your nightmares forever.

408
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:10.640
You know. It's one of those
things I think we can kind of

409
00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:15.519
talk ourselves into something and talk ourselves
out to something sometimes, you know what

410
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:17.640
I mean. You could probably be
with your friends having a bunch of beers

411
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:22.000
just laughing at that, right,
or you can kind of lean into the

412
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:27.559
magic a bit, you know,
and just go with it. I love

413
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:34.039
how he covers it here. He's
like, uh uh are we going to

414
00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:38.559
a store? Yeah? We are, no, you know, and it's

415
00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:42.839
interesting. We know we mentioned the
radio play, but the way that was

416
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:45.799
the one time I thought, okay, I think they're leading into the narrational

417
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:49.759
too much, like John Shotty's like, I reach my hand up to the

418
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:52.200
curtain and I hold the curtain and
I could there he is floating back.

419
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:57.319
That's a rough shot. But that
was the one time I thought, Okay,

420
00:32:57.319 --> 00:32:59.319
that's a little much, guys.
But how else do you describe that

421
00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:01.680
an audio? Right? It's such
a visual jump scare, you know.

422
00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:07.359
And I think if you're leaning onto
that folklore, into that folkload, the

423
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:12.480
folklore is that we are going to
a place where these things live and we

424
00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:16.119
shouldn't really be there, you know, and so they're going to float down

425
00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:21.680
or you know that kind of thing. There has to be some mystical element

426
00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:23.480
too, because there's no way anything
could stand on a plane going planes go

427
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:30.319
pretty fast. They're going thousands of
miles an hour, so and you know,

428
00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:34.440
this is when you start to see
like the feet, I'm like,

429
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:37.319
oh, come on, that's a
little much, guys. Like it's clearly

430
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:40.599
like a boot or something. That's
when I really like right there, like,

431
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:45.920
come on, man, there you
go, there's a gift. There's

432
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:51.039
a legendary Shatner gift for you.
You use that one all the time.

433
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:54.880
Well, a lot of things are
really of that reaction. So but this

434
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:59.359
guy, he was a gymnast,
and I just think, you know,

435
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:01.720
the if you probably could have got
him to do you know, if he

436
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:07.359
wasn't encased in like two foot thick
of wool, you know what I mean?

437
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:08.960
Yeah, because like in the in
the story, and even look at

438
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:15.039
that, what is that he just
jumped off the wing for those just listening,

439
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:20.000
But in the story and even in
the in the movie. The movie

440
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:22.360
is like Brandon and I our friend
Rana Shimatila, Right, we always go

441
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:24.719
back and forth about which version this
is better. He likes the movie version

442
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:29.920
better. I will admit the movie
version is a much better grumblin, much

443
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:32.920
better monster. Yeah, there's no
question. But that's a lot more faithful

444
00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:36.960
to the story. Like it's a
little guy with hair stringing out, and

445
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:43.400
he's a little wiry dude, and
anyway, I don't know what I mean,

446
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:49.039
And the story does call him a
man most of the time, doesn't

447
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:52.719
It I'm pretty sure it says.
When he's got this and you know,

448
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:54.679
talking about it, he's saying,
there's a man out there, you know,

449
00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:58.119
but I guess what else? You
go? There? You go?

450
00:34:58.239 --> 00:35:06.119
He now he called it he grumlins. She's like, what, I'm not

451
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:09.880
imagining it. Imagine you know another
thing. You know, I'm going I

452
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:13.440
keep talking about this radio play because
it expands in all these things been over

453
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:15.880
so many times, they actually tell
you what happened, like what he saw

454
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:20.559
in his last mental breakdown, which
makes his wife misbelieve him even more because

455
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:22.960
he's like, oh, I saw
a guy like skiing on the clouds.

456
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:24.119
And it's like, oh, I
see a guy on the plane. I'm

457
00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:29.000
like, come on, like that
is It's almost like the radio play makes

458
00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:32.960
you think he really is crazy.
Maybe because you don't see it for yourself

459
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:36.320
and you only have his word to
go by. Maybe that's the logic.

460
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:42.360
Yeah, you look insane, buddy. Never has anyone look more insane when

461
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:46.239
he asked that. But here,
like obviously I don't think this is an

462
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:49.840
ambiguous one, right, I mean
you see the wing be damage at the

463
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:52.480
end, like there was a there
was a creature here, Like that's bottom

464
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:58.880
line, right, Yeah, yeah, I've never really took it as ambiguous

465
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:01.159
either, you know, just to
worry. You know, I didn't tell

466
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:05.360
it before. I want you to
tell me. I didn't tell it before

467
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:07.159
because I wasn't sure whether it was
real or not. But I am sure

468
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:20.119
now it is real. Sure,
no, grandlin whatever. Yeah, look

469
00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:24.000
at those facial expressions. It's funny
as well. And I know we keep

470
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:29.920
going back to the radio player,
the way they fill little narrative gaps like

471
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:35.559
conversations between the pilots and stuff like
that. That's all there. Don't that

472
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:38.639
remise me? I am not in
so patronize me. Doesn't have to be.

473
00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:44.480
He's right too, He's like,
come on, like, I don't

474
00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:50.559
know, I know what you're thinking, you know, so, but you

475
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:52.559
know, I don't remember reading this
back in the day, and I'll I'm

476
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:57.719
looking forward to your official episode on
it on the on the main podcast.

477
00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:00.440
But like I remember in the in
the Companion, like I think Richard Matheson

478
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:05.039
didn't like I mean, I don't
know how the creature looked like. He

479
00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:07.400
says something about how like there was
going to be a different director and they

480
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:09.320
were going to do it differently,
and he would have preferred that then what

481
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:14.119
Richard Donner did. Yeah, I've
seem to remember that from from back in

482
00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:16.559
the day. But I mean I
love Richard Donner, right, Superman the

483
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:20.079
movie is my favorite superhero movie.
I mean, he's a great director.

484
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:23.880
He did Goonies and lethal Weapon and
prolific director. I don't know who was

485
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:25.880
in charge of making the way that
Grimmal looked the way he did, but

486
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:30.480
you know that was. It's not
it's just why. It's just a weird

487
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:35.119
choice based off the source material.
You know. Yeah, it's funny how

488
00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:38.119
you can get so much right in
it because it's so tense, and you

489
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:44.559
know, he got a great lead
in mind. Oh if they do quite

490
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:50.719
claustrophobic and things like that. But
then you know, and I think we'd

491
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:54.519
only saying this because you know,
we do a certain amount of critique even

492
00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:57.440
though we love it, you know
what I mean. And I think we've

493
00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:00.280
both made our peace with it.
But yeah, it could have been better,

494
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:05.719
I think, Although I wish I
could get one of those little plush

495
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:08.639
toys from you know, Nightmat of
thirty thousand feet that they showed on the

496
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:13.360
beach. I wish they released those. I would have liked, you know,

497
00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:15.440
they make toys of these, and
that would just creep me out having

498
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:16.719
like in my office sitting on my
desk, like, that's not this is

499
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:19.960
a terrifying thing. I don't want
that thing looking at me all the time.

500
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:23.559
Yeah, and it moves around exactly. See that. That's how you

501
00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:28.400
get really meta right on. The
Twilights only have props from a Twilight Zone.

502
00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:32.599
It is creepy. How it is
creepy. How like he's looking at

503
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:36.400
you know, Shatner, like observing
him, like, oh, is he

504
00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:37.159
looking at me? Now? Okay, I can do some stuff like to

505
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:45.320
me. That's that That interaction is
creepy. What's going on In the original

506
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:52.239
story it seems like it's purposely antagonizing
them, whereas in this it's more it's

507
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:55.079
just doing its thing, and it
gets a bit curious about him, like

508
00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:59.360
what's he looking at? I'm just
trying to, you know, play with

509
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:09.360
the wing he how sweat he's getting
too. So Mattheson liked the episode better

510
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:15.960
with this one, but preferred the
gremlin in the Twilight's in the movie one.

511
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:21.480
So perfect melding of the two with
what they can do with you know,

512
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:25.960
cg and you know all that stuff. I'm sure someone could mock something

513
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:32.440
up with that. I like how
this pilot plays it here. He's like,

514
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:37.639
Okay, I'm gonna just of course
we have Yeah, And this is

515
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:40.360
Shatner's best moment of the episode two, when he's like, oh, yeah,

516
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:45.559
yeah, of course the oh you
guys are just screwing with me.

517
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:50.599
Tell me what I want to hear. I see how it is. It's

518
00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:58.760
like I understand. It's like,
look, just sup, just what is

519
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:01.679
it? What is it's a grimlin
on the I told you what it was.

520
00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:07.840
It's an odd thing to say,
but I do think it adds so

521
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:10.880
much to have his wife there,
you know, like it's interesting, like

522
00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:13.960
the original story doesn't have it,
the movie doesn't have it. It's a

523
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:17.800
totally different character, doesn't have the
mental breakdown backstory, so he has he

524
00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:21.679
does no one to like interplay with, you know, but the having the

525
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:23.079
shades of like I got my wife
here, I got a pilot over here,

526
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:27.800
Like having those different kinds of interactions
or what make it more interesting?

527
00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:32.639
You know? Uh huh. So, I mean we are getting to the

528
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:37.719
end here, but do you do
you take more meaning from this than this

529
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:42.000
is just a great little sort of
tense story. Is it, you know,

530
00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:45.360
saying anything to you? It's the
blurryman question you're asking me now,

531
00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:52.480
right, Yeah, I mean it's
I think it works as like obviously just

532
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:58.360
works as like a horror story.
Just imagine yourself in a situation just insanity

533
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:00.079
that only you can see in a
very much dane setting. Like you know,

534
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:02.719
airplanes, people take them all the
time, but some crazy things happening

535
00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:06.440
there. We go look at that. That's so weird, But you can

536
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:08.280
if you want to look at a
deeper level. It's like overcoming your fear

537
00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:13.480
right having confidence, self doubt,
and overcoming that even the world tells you

538
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:15.360
crazy, you know, knowing that
you're not kind of like you like anything

539
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:20.800
of substance. You can really like
reading this. I'm sure there have been

540
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:23.079
essays about this and all kinds of
stuff that probably reads way too far into

541
00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:28.679
it, but I think it's so
well told. There is enough here that

542
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:30.920
there's something to be said for that. I mean, what did you take

543
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:35.679
a deeper meeting on this on any
level? Tome? I don't know.

544
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:39.159
I'm not sure I've come up with
anything, or I've probably more seen things

545
00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:44.599
and maybe thoughts Okay, you know, I'll go with I guess because that

546
00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:49.360
is this aspect of you know,
breakdown or mental illness or whatever you want

547
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:52.199
to call it, which is really
a battle within yourself. You know,

548
00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:58.599
no one else can really see what
you're going through, and it's that kind

549
00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:02.559
of thing. But so many Twilight
zones are like that anyway, you know,

550
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:06.960
people are battling with something that no
one else is really aware of.

551
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:10.039
Well, I think especially that one, So maybe that, but you know,

552
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:14.880
I'm happy to just take it for
what it is as well. Yeah,

553
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:16.840
and it's okay if there's not a
deeper meaning either. It's just like

554
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:21.760
regardless, it sticks with people,
like people, remember this is an iconic

555
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:24.719
episode. There's been so many parodies
and references and all kinds of stuff,

556
00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:28.280
and it it just it just sticks. It just it's a it's a great

557
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:30.159
elevator pitch an episode. It's like, oh, yeah, I was on

558
00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:32.360
airplane. There's a guy ripping apart
the wing and I'm the only one that

559
00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:35.639
can see it, Like, oh, tell me that story. So I

560
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:40.400
just think it sticks with people.
Now, I mean we're coming up to

561
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:45.519
the whatever this guy is an air
marshall or something like that. Just falls

562
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:51.639
asleep with us. I love that
zoom in on the gun, And again

563
00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:57.800
radio play arguably made the smart choice
where like the cabin crew are getting so

564
00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:00.639
nervous, they're like, we're just
going to sit this guy next to you.

565
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:05.000
You know, your wife's going over
there. So like the am Marshall

566
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:08.639
sits next to him because he's freaking
everyone out, and that's why the gun

567
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:12.519
is so close to him. This
is the most not smooth move ever he's

568
00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:20.960
about to do. Yeah, no
one's taking onion o aside. Well,

569
00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:23.000
and that's the thing about I've noticed
about the radio plays, like they fill

570
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:28.559
in a lot of gaps, like
you know, potential plot holes because they

571
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:30.000
have you know, sometimes due to
necessity because they got to fill in time,

572
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:31.920
but otherwise like, oh that's a
very good solution. Like this is

573
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:36.920
ridiculous. Yeah, I love this
episode, it's my favorite one. But

574
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:38.960
this is a ridiculous exchange here where
he just like sneaks this gun off this

575
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:42.599
guy and like to your point,
like the radio plays like, well that

576
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:44.880
we can't do that again. We'll
have an air marshal sit next to him.

577
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:46.400
And then they get in a grappling
match and he takes the gun from

578
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:50.719
him there, or even in the
movie there's like a private investigator or some

579
00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:53.119
kind of undercover cop or something has
like a gun and his like in his

580
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:57.920
uh, concealed carry or something that
he takes it off of. That's like,

581
00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:00.639
it's a lot more sense than this. But it was different time.

582
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:04.559
It was the sixties, okay,
so different time. It's funny because I

583
00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:07.280
think Matheson said when he wrote the
story, you probably could have took a

584
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:12.719
gun onto a plane, right,
and then there was you know, time

585
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:15.280
passed and by the time they made
the episodes, you probably couldn't do that

586
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:23.719
anymore. You know, water is
because water. I'd love to know the

587
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:27.679
science behind this, though, you
know, I don't want to ruin the

588
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:30.199
magic of the story. But if
you push the door open like this,

589
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:36.079
and would you be torn in.
I don't care how tight your seatbelt is.

590
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:42.679
I don't think that's going to hold
you in. And maybe don't put

591
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:45.760
the guy who just got over a
mental breakdown at a you know, mental

592
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:50.880
hospital next to the emergency exit.
There's a thought, here we go,

593
00:44:54.079 --> 00:45:01.199
Grandma's really getting in there. Yeah, he'd be totally sucked out. A

594
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:08.960
plate fighter that also messed up the
entire pressure of the cabin potter on their

595
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:15.119
Gremon's face will power right there.
He's fighting thirty thousand mile an hour wins.

596
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:32.000
It's a good shot too. Yeah, got him, man, that

597
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:37.039
must have been a good day.
Imagine just hanging out there off the day.

598
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:40.760
All right, Bill, we're getting
another take. But see, that's

599
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:44.280
what people remember him for, like
yelling. It's like, I have caf

600
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:46.559
tick all these ridiculous one of the
top things. But the reason those are

601
00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:50.360
so good is because he has range. He's not all that all the time,

602
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:52.960
right, It's like the parodies of
Kirk and Chattan are both like are

603
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:54.719
just like, come on, y'all, there's there's more two of them than

604
00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:58.199
that. But I enjoy it.
When he turns it up to eleven,

605
00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:01.079
it's it's great. So in fact, he he's an hour Limbs episode that

606
00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:06.880
he also does he sees an alien
out the window his episode of the Outer

607
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:12.280
Limits. He's an astronaut. Okay, it's interesting, So it's interesting parallels.

608
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:14.920
So that would have been after this, I guess, because Outer Limits

609
00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:19.079
was after Twilight Zone or around the
same time, so there's all pre Star

610
00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:22.559
Trek, though I think they might
have crossed over a little bit, but

611
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:25.920
I'm not too sure. I've always
said I'll watch the Outer Limits once I've

612
00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:31.280
done this podcast, probably, but
I ain't podcasting about it, no chance.

613
00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:42.119
I know. I'm the only one
who does know. So Rod seems

614
00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:45.639
to right now. Yeah, Rod
seems to think he's going to get vindicated

615
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:50.840
as well. They're going to cover
this up, right. Yeah, even

616
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:52.440
if you saw this, you're not
going to be like, oh, it

617
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:55.079
was a gremlin after all. You
would just think it was, like,

618
00:46:55.719 --> 00:47:04.400
you know, this is one of
the most sterling esques autros isolated. There's

619
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:14.239
so many multiple civil words, tangible, manifestation of trespass, tangible quarter.

620
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:19.800
It's brilliant though. We laugh about
it because it brings us joy because it's

621
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:28.800
like, man, this is poetry
right here. So what's coming up next?

622
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:35.960
Okay? So, I mean I
I really enjoyed that, even though

623
00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:38.039
we talked all the way through it. So what the people want, so

624
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:44.440
they're here to hear us talking through
it, exactly want to listen to us

625
00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:51.480
being silent throughout. Wow, let's
just run quickly through the other version.

626
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:57.679
So we spoke about the short story
a little bit through that, but anything,

627
00:47:57.960 --> 00:48:00.480
anything, you want to mention about
that now, I guess mainly the

628
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:05.960
fact that he was by himself and
uh and like he had he had a

629
00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:07.679
gun on him, you know,
as you said, like he brought that

630
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:12.119
on himself, which they kind of
had to change because of rules and stuff.

631
00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:15.239
But h and that was that,
and and then he was already suicidal,

632
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:16.360
I guess was another part of the
short story, right, like he

633
00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:20.159
brought it on to Like it's implied
that, like, yeah, I carried

634
00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:22.679
it to protect myself but also to
maybe kill myself because I don't like my

635
00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:25.119
life. I'm like, oh,
that's that's super dark, you know,

636
00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:29.840
yeah, definitely. And I don't
think Craig if I'm wrong. In the

637
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:36.639
short story there there's not any kind
of like reveal that there was real and

638
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:38.039
it just kind of ends with him
like oh they'll they'll, they'll see.

639
00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:42.480
And then it's like, well,
well they maybe he were crazy. I

640
00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:45.760
don't know, so I don't remember
now, Yeah, I don't remember.

641
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:47.519
I'm not too sure. But I
really enjoyed it, to be honest.

642
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:52.760
It's just all those little differences are
fascinating to me. Yeah, you know,

643
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:55.119
all those little choices that they make
and how one leads into the other

644
00:48:55.280 --> 00:49:00.559
like the fact that, well,
we can't really say he's going going on

645
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:04.039
the plane now, so what are
we going to do? And how the

646
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:07.679
fact that he hasn't got to go
on how can we now portray his mental

647
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:12.840
states? We can't just say he's
a suicidal guy you've got on a plane

648
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:15.719
anymore, So what are we going
to do with that? It's all very

649
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:21.039
interesting. And I think in the
list Go version, wasn't he just afraid

650
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:22.360
to fly? And it's been a
while since I watched that one. Yeah,

651
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:27.239
he's just really afraid of flying,
and he's a complete wreck the whole

652
00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:31.280
time. Uh And and I mean
I like that version, right, George

653
00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:36.039
Miller another great director to that version. It's probably the best segment of the

654
00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:39.519
towads on the movie. But when
you lose the backstory of like the whole

655
00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:46.559
you know, battling his own you
know, mental struggles, you lose something

656
00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:50.119
there, you know, and then
it's just it's more of a horror show.

657
00:49:50.199 --> 00:49:52.400
And it's a very impressive horror show. But he's just yelling and screaming

658
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:58.079
like children and just flight it tenn
its and stuff. It's just so but

659
00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:00.559
it's it's it's John look Out a
great so he's a good successor, I

660
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:05.039
think, and that's a great version, and they definitely stepped off the special

661
00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:08.239
effects, so so that alone justifies
that one's existence. You know, I

662
00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:12.920
do enjoy that one. I'm obviously
going to have to watch it again for

663
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:17.159
the main show, for that Deep
Dive show. But it's been said by

664
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:22.119
more people than me, so I'm
not observing anything that no one else has

665
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:25.920
said. But how you know,
Shatner starts off as a slightly nervous guy

666
00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:30.320
and you know, then takes it
right the way up there, whereas Lift

667
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:34.440
Gow is right up there from the
beginning, and just you know, I

668
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:38.280
think that's the main thing about it, and I think that's why Shatner's is

669
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:44.840
more interesting to me, where there's
you know, Liftgals is just that the

670
00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:47.599
horror show, you know, which
is fine right well, and then Lift

671
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:52.639
Goals though they actually have that the
crew discovering the damage to the plane,

672
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:57.199
and hey there also up there,
and then the in the radio play,

673
00:50:57.199 --> 00:51:00.960
they literally take that ending like it's
almost line for line the ending from the

674
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:04.639
movie, and they kind of mix
them together. But I still think I

675
00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:07.280
think Rod's being optimistic we're thinking that, oh he's gonna okay, you don't,

676
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:10.639
We're gonna you get out of your
street checket now, sir, there

677
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:15.760
was no You just opened an ec
air lock on a airplangers. You're still

678
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:20.280
gonna be in trouble. All is
forgiven? Yeah, forgiven? You see

679
00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:23.400
I saw us on the radio play
because the two guys are fixing the plane,

680
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:28.920
aren't they, And they're like,
oh, what what happened to you?

681
00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:30.559
You know? And they just kind
of go, oh, well,

682
00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:35.360
let's get to way. So it
looked it seems as if they're just going

683
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:37.880
to fix it and not say anything
to anyone about it. But then the

684
00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:42.719
closing narration says that it's going to
be discovered and he's going to be vindicated.

685
00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:45.000
And see that's you can't mix those
two together, right Like the kids

686
00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:50.440
the movies don't have ending narrations,
do they. They just have the opening

687
00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:53.800
narrations with Burgess, Meredith and uh, which which I always like, I

688
00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:57.280
feel like you always need a closing
narration, like you know, I feel

689
00:51:57.320 --> 00:51:59.519
like you set it up, you
take it down. It's something for the

690
00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:01.840
night goal, right, like you
you have intros but no outros, and

691
00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:05.880
it feels so incompletely No, you
just left us with this horrible like I

692
00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:07.159
need some reassurance. Rod helped me
out here. Man, what am I

693
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:10.360
supposed to think? But you're yeah, that's a good one. You're right,

694
00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:14.199
because the guys are like, well, it's good to work. They're

695
00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:17.639
never gonna know. John Schnyder's gonna
be back of this mental setation forever,

696
00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:22.960
thinks a lot y'all. Yeah,
either that or prison, Yeah, one

697
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:28.519
or the other. But and then
you know you and I, like I

698
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:32.920
said before, we spoke on the
main show about Nightmare A thirty thousand feet,

699
00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:37.239
which isn't really a remake to be
honest, but I don't think I

700
00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:40.280
could do the deep dive on the
main show without at least mentioning it.

701
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:45.280
We watched it when it first came
out. You know, our thoughts were

702
00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:47.880
all over the place. It was
like we were like kids at Christmas at

703
00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:52.639
that point. We kind of missed
what that episode was really about. And

704
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:54.719
I'm not going to get into that
too much. You know, have you

705
00:52:54.960 --> 00:53:00.480
watched it since, have you reevaluated
it or do you sell? You know?

706
00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:05.320
I like it, I I feel
like it invited too many comparisons to

707
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:07.800
the original because of the title.
Mm hmm. Because even like like we

708
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:12.000
we even like a special episode about
like you know, remakes, like when

709
00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:14.360
they just announced it, right and
we're like, oh, what's it gonna

710
00:53:14.360 --> 00:53:15.760
be, right, and all these
sorts of things, and and that's it

711
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:20.039
because even the press release for like
Adam Scott will be playing William Shatner's character,

712
00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:22.119
like, well, no, not
not at all. You know,

713
00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:27.119
it's about something totally different, right, It's about your own Like you could

714
00:53:27.159 --> 00:53:29.159
they could have titled something else and
you'd be like, oh, wow,

715
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:30.880
it's kind of like the one with
a guy on a plane. But how

716
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:32.840
many Twilight Zones are about guys on
planes or with planes? That could be

717
00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:37.559
its own category, right, I
mean planes are just the aircraft in general,

718
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:42.000
spacecraft, I don't. I like
a lot of other of other ones

719
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:44.000
a lot more, you know.
So it's really good, and when we

720
00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:45.079
first saw I'm like, okay,
cool, Yeah, we're back twilet Zone,

721
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:46.760
right, But I mean it's kind
of gone down on my list,

722
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:51.280
not that it's like I think it's
worse than anything, but just ultimately,

723
00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:52.719
you know, as if everybody go
back into star episode about that, it

724
00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:55.400
was ultimately kind of confusing I think
they put too much in that. I

725
00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:59.960
was still confused. I still don't
know what happened in it, you know,

726
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:02.000
you talking about revivation, like was
that other guy real? Are they

727
00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:06.119
impurgatory? Did they all die?
I don't know, and I don't know

728
00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:08.079
if they know, And it was
just that that to me, that still

729
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:12.360
throws the whole thing off, the
confusion, right, So that's ultimately where

730
00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:15.119
I land on. It was it
was entertaining. Adam Scott's great. You

731
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:17.760
know, you feel just as awkward
of him like accusing people of being terrorists

732
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:21.719
or something, right, as as
you would have seeing a monster on the

733
00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:23.880
plane. Right, it's a whole
different kind of like horror and uncomfortableness.

734
00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:28.519
But that's very relevant to today,
right, So all that stuff still tracks,

735
00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:30.480
but just the end just totally throws
me off. So at the time,

736
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:35.440
I think you and Brandon said they
maybe go a step too far.

737
00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:39.000
I think if time was no object, we would have probably done the trilogy

738
00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:44.960
just commentate, and I think that
would have been quite fun to do.

739
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:52.280
But I think you and Brandon said
they went a step too far with Oh,

740
00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:54.199
they all survived and they're on the
beach, but they never found and

741
00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:58.880
I wasn't too short at the time, but now I think I agree with

742
00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:01.159
you that, you know, they
should have just finished with good Night New

743
00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:05.960
York or whatever he said as the
plane was going down, and that would

744
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:09.400
have been a good ending for it. I still really like it. I

745
00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:15.800
still really enjoy it. I think
it's well directed, pretty tense or you

746
00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:23.599
know, as with quite a few
of those new Twilight Zones, I would

747
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:28.159
sulder to go back and listen to
some of the recordings because I think I

748
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:30.800
missed the point of a lot of
the time, you know what I mean.

749
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:35.320
And when I've gone back to them, I think, oh, is

750
00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:37.679
that what it's about? Okay?
And I don't know whether that's a fault

751
00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:43.440
with the show or they have to
try and be a bit more cryptic because

752
00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:46.440
we're just a different audience now.
I don't know, but but yeah,

753
00:55:46.480 --> 00:55:51.079
I still dig it. I still
dig it timeless story, Tom, regardless

754
00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:52.920
of the iteration, you know.
And that's what's so funny you talk about

755
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:57.360
these minor changes. That's what makes
it so it's fund that they're all so

756
00:55:57.480 --> 00:56:00.440
different, right, because they're all
the same, than what is the point?

757
00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:05.400
You got your your Gus Van Sant
remake a psycho, right, It's

758
00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:08.880
like, what's the point of this? So I'm glad it's like King Kong

759
00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:13.280
right, right, the multiple versions
of that, right, they're all very

760
00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:16.320
different. That's I'm glad they're different, right, because they're exactly the same.

761
00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:20.199
What is the point. So so
yeah, thanks for having me on

762
00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:22.679
to talk about this my favorite episode, and I'm looking forward to hearing the

763
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:25.679
big deep dive on the on the
main show. Thank you, min It's

764
00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:30.199
it's coming together slowly but surely it's
it's coming together. But those things take

765
00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:35.199
time. Thank you, Zac,
Thank you. There's there's no one else

766
00:56:35.239 --> 00:56:38.039
I would have had on for this. I know it's your favorite and I

767
00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:42.679
think you you did it justice.
So even in the small time we had

768
00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:45.800
to talk through it. But you
know, we've been through this. I

769
00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:49.320
think people know where they can find
you. But just in case, well

770
00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:52.519
you can find me on on Twitter
at Moron Zach that's in or e O

771
00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:54.960
n Z s each. I'm asco
host on my own podcast, Always Solo

772
00:56:55.000 --> 00:56:58.920
on a Smallville, where we talk
about each and every episode of that Young

773
00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:01.559
Superman show. Find us on Twitter
at always malevel with one S. And

774
00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:06.920
of course I do Franchise Fatigue Show
with our friend Brandon Shay Mattel, which

775
00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:09.159
you've been a guest on a few
times. Tom, and we talked about

776
00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:14.119
movies, remake sequels and when franchises
get fatigued, and you can find us

777
00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:17.199
on Twitter at Franchise Fatigue. Great
stuff. Well thanks again, Mane.

778
00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:22.480
Always a pleasure, absolutely, And
I'm just gonna go jump on a plane

779
00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:24.719
here and sit next to the window
seat and have a good time. So

780
00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:34.119
take a couple of those sleeping pills. With your sleeping pills. Okay,

781
00:57:34.199 --> 00:57:37.840
so that is enough from us.
I'm gonna maybe I'm gonna take the boss.

782
00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:38.920
I'm gonna take the boss. Zach. I'll see you when we get

783
00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:42.760
there, Okay, all right,
I'll see that. All right. So

784
00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:45.360
that's enough for us. We'll speak
to you soon and bye for now.

785
00:57:57.800 --> 00:58:01.400
Hey, Tom, Josh Chambers here, fantastic job on this episode. I

786
00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:07.880
know all of us Podcast Diehard has
been waiting for this for quite some time

787
00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:14.039
and you really did deliver. So
thank you. Thoughts on Nightmare twenty thousand

788
00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:20.719
Feet I guess in some respects it's
like Beethoven's fifth of the Twilight Zone episodes,

789
00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:28.239
it's iconic, it's incredibly memorable.
I'd like to think that most people

790
00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:34.119
our age and younger probably were introduced
to it, either directly, you know,

791
00:58:34.119 --> 00:58:40.920
through marathons, or indirectly through parodies
or homages. I'd hate to think

792
00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:47.519
that people learned about it first through
the third iteration on the Most Reason Jordan

793
00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:54.440
Peele reboot. But no matter what
way someone found their way to Nightmare twenty

794
00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:58.360
thousand feet, you know, it's
just it's just a wonderful thing to have

795
00:58:58.599 --> 00:59:04.280
and to appreciate. Over the years, I taught it in the classroom,

796
00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:07.920
and for a while, though I
don't know why I haven't recently, I

797
00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:15.800
would teach it after reading the original
short story, and we would toy with

798
00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:21.400
the idea that the short story was, in some ways the story before the

799
00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:24.960
story, the prequel, or you
know, the events that happened on the

800
00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:30.639
plane when he is by himself and
he has a gun in his in his

801
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:37.119
satchel, that's that's what led to, you know, his breakdown and then

802
00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:40.960
his wife coming to bring him home, so sort of a sick loop that

803
00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:45.599
you know, he's forever going to
be getting on planes and forever seeing something

804
00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:51.239
on the wing. So once again, Tom, thank you again so much.

805
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:54.280
It was a joy to hear the
episode in your breakdown, and that

806
00:59:54.320 --> 01:00:00.320
little stinger at the end was from
thirty Rock was fantastic, So again,

807
01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:05.039
thank you and cheers. Hello Tom
and listeners. Roger Moore here from Browwood,

808
01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:07.760
Texas. Ready to leave my thoughts
about a Nightmare at twenty thousand feet.

809
01:00:09.559 --> 01:00:14.079
I'll just start off by saying,
out of Shatner's both performances in the

810
01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:19.360
Twilight Zone, I prefer Nicked Time
over Nightmare. Now that doesn't mean that

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01:00:19.400 --> 01:00:23.039
I think Nicked Time is a more
superior episode than Nightmare at twenty thousand feet.

812
01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:30.559
So with that said, what do
I think about Nightmare at twenty thousand

813
01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:35.320
feet? Not only do I think
that this episode is a classic Twilight Zone

814
01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:39.960
episode, but it's also an iconic
Twilight Zone episode. Uh. It's been

815
01:00:40.079 --> 01:00:45.960
referenced and parodied m uh quite possibly
more than any other episode in the entire

816
01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:51.000
series. SNL has done it,
The Simpsons did it. Third Rock from

817
01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:54.480
the Sun had uh lyft Cow and
Shatner in that one scene at the airport.

818
01:00:55.960 --> 01:01:00.440
Uh. I think I'm gonna stop
right there, cause I I feel

819
01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:04.639
like I'm talking more trivia than I
am. My own personal thoughts on this

820
01:01:04.760 --> 01:01:09.719
episode, So let me get back
to it. I used to kind of

821
01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:15.480
always imagine that Nightmare at twenty thousand
Feet was like a continuation to nick a

822
01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:21.079
Tom. You know, Don and
Pat, they're newlyweds. Everything's fresh,

823
01:01:21.159 --> 01:01:25.400
new and exciting for the both of
them. Don gets that promotion, and

824
01:01:25.440 --> 01:01:30.239
then later on throughout the episode,
with the help of Pat, they finally

825
01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:35.199
muster up the courage to leave the
diner and the mystic Seer behind and venture

826
01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:39.199
back out into the world, and
it's full of uncertainty and unanswered questions.

827
01:01:42.840 --> 01:01:50.119
And then years later we see Shatner
playing Robert, and I always imagine that

828
01:01:50.159 --> 01:01:54.119
it's Don and that promotion that he
got turned out to be a whole bunch

829
01:01:54.119 --> 01:02:00.199
of push push push business. But
unlike gart Williams, he reached out and

830
01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:04.679
he got help. Now he's ready
to pick up the pieces after his recovery,

831
01:02:05.679 --> 01:02:08.280
and little does he know that he
actually just stepped foot into the twilight

832
01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:16.159
zone for a second time. I
did find it fascinating that Mattheson thought that

833
01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:21.519
it was a real shame that Patricia
Breslin wasn't cast to play the part of

834
01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:29.679
Julia. But I think Christine White
does an awesome job. There's one scene

835
01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:32.960
in Nightmare at twenty thousand Feet that
really sticks out to me, and it's

836
01:02:34.039 --> 01:02:39.119
the scene where the flight engineer goes
and talks to Shatner, and Shatner,

837
01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:45.320
for that brief moment, has someone
believe in him and he's not crazy,

838
01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:51.480
and he starts to get a little
bit of relief and his anxiety subsides for

839
01:02:51.519 --> 01:02:55.920
a minute, and then he just
goes completely stone face and he gets real

840
01:02:57.039 --> 01:03:01.440
serious and he realizes that they're pretty
much just trying to keep him calm until

841
01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:07.159
they can figure out what to do
with them. I always thought that that

842
01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:14.360
split second change was really brilliant on
Chatner's part. I don't know why.

843
01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:20.599
It's just he goes from one character
to almost a completely different character. Anyway,

844
01:03:20.679 --> 01:03:23.239
Tom, that's pretty much it.
I'm gonna go ahead and cut it

845
01:03:23.239 --> 01:03:30.199
a little short and give somebody else
a chance until next time. Hey there,

846
01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:32.920
Tom. Harold Clark reporting in from
be to Texas talking about Nightmare at

847
01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:39.119
twenty thousand Feet. So I have
used dozens of Twilight Zone episodes as material

848
01:03:39.199 --> 01:03:45.719
for Bible studies for the youth at
church, and this particular episode was one

849
01:03:45.760 --> 01:03:50.320
that went over very well. If
anybody wants to know the deep dive from

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01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:54.119
a spiritual angle, hit me up
on the telegram app for Twilight Zone.

851
01:03:55.039 --> 01:04:00.800
However, in general, the great
thing about this episode is there's so many

852
01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:04.880
things that you can pull out of
it. Just questions to spark discussions.

853
01:04:06.480 --> 01:04:12.719
And again, you know who knows
what Mattheson had in store and mind for

854
01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:15.880
this, But this again, it's
one of the favorites, and it's just

855
01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:19.119
unbelievable how much you can get out
of this episode. So I preface all

856
01:04:19.159 --> 01:04:27.679
this by saying, the grimlin in
this episode can equal any problem that you're

857
01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:30.920
going through. It could be like
it is in the episode where it's a

858
01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:35.119
nervous breakdown, but it could also
be relationship problems, could be depression,

859
01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:43.679
alcoholism, issues at work, money
woes, fill in the blank, whatever

860
01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:47.360
issue you're going through. Let's look
at it through this lens and see what

861
01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:53.679
this episode can tell us about how
to maybe approach tackling that episode at that

862
01:04:53.760 --> 01:05:03.280
problem. So the first thing that
pops up is the wife takes a sleeping

863
01:05:03.320 --> 01:05:11.920
pill to basically remove herself from the
situation. Interesting idea. We will come

864
01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:14.719
back to that in a minute.
But it's I think it's interesting at the

865
01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:18.280
very beginning, you know, we
have to set him up to basically try

866
01:05:18.280 --> 01:05:26.079
and tackle this problem alone. He
does see the grimlin, so he sees

867
01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:30.239
the problem. He acknowledges the problem, whatever that problem is, and he

868
01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:32.840
does call for help, so he
doesn't deny that the problem exists. He

869
01:05:32.880 --> 01:05:39.760
actually calls for help. He does
indeed take a sleeping pill. We'll come

870
01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:45.760
back to that. The key scene
for me is when he has the curtain

871
01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:53.199
closed and he has to decide do
I pull the curtain open or not?

872
01:05:54.679 --> 01:06:00.280
Should I keep the curtain closed?
Meaning should I just have faith? Should

873
01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:03.800
I have trust that the problem is
going to take care of itself? Or

874
01:06:03.880 --> 01:06:08.119
you know what, there there isn't
even a problem. I'm just making,

875
01:06:08.360 --> 01:06:11.880
you know, making a bigger deal
out of it than it is. Or

876
01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:15.400
should I actually pull the curtain open? You know? Should should I face

877
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:19.559
the problem head on? Should I
not you know, bury my head in

878
01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:24.440
the sand, so to speak,
don't know, you know, again,

879
01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:30.679
feel free to discuss. And again
the wife, because she's taken the singer

880
01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:32.800
pill. Not there for him,
he asked her twice. Not there?

881
01:06:33.079 --> 01:06:39.519
Uh? And then when he describes
the problem he says, Julia, don't

882
01:06:39.519 --> 01:06:45.320
look at me like that, And
it makes me wonder how how should we

883
01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:51.159
react, you know, when when
somebody is going through an absolutely unbelievable situation.

884
01:06:53.199 --> 01:06:57.840
I mean, it's nature for us
to question something that's fantastical or unusual

885
01:06:58.440 --> 01:07:01.360
or or weird, right, or
even just something that just comes at us

886
01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:05.239
out of the blue, and we're
just not really prepared to respond. You

887
01:07:05.280 --> 01:07:12.800
know, how do we how do
we do that? Not sure he actually

888
01:07:12.840 --> 01:07:18.199
recognizes the solution to his problem.
He says, he the gremlin jumps away

889
01:07:18.559 --> 01:07:26.480
when anybody else might see him accept
me. He realizes that that this needs

890
01:07:26.519 --> 01:07:30.239
to be a group effort in order
to tackle x problem. Whatever the problem

891
01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:34.960
is, he's going to need support
from his family and from professionals, from

892
01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:39.400
the flight attendants, from the pilots, et cetera. Like that. He

893
01:07:39.440 --> 01:07:45.360
does eventually say, hey, you
know, get the pilots to actually,

894
01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:48.679
you know, watch the wings.
But the problem with that is he's still

895
01:07:48.800 --> 01:07:54.480
going through the problem alone, even
though quote unquote the pilots are going to

896
01:07:54.559 --> 01:07:58.239
be looking for the wings unless unless
he can see that that doesn't that's not

897
01:07:58.280 --> 01:08:02.519
really gonna going to help him,
you know, is there another solution to

898
01:08:02.760 --> 01:08:09.760
the problem, another way to tackle
this situation. Maybe a different seat on

899
01:08:09.800 --> 01:08:15.039
the plane, maybe a different you
know, an area where he can't see

900
01:08:15.079 --> 01:08:16.720
that there is a problem. Is
that a good thing or a bad thing?

901
01:08:17.279 --> 01:08:20.680
A different mode of travel? You
know? Does it have to fly

902
01:08:20.760 --> 01:08:23.960
on a plane? Can it be
on a car? Can it be on

903
01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:29.000
a boat? Train? I e? Do you need to put yourself in

904
01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:33.119
a situation that you know you're weak
in, even though maybe a medical professional

905
01:08:33.159 --> 01:08:38.359
has told you you're okay, but
you know you know yourself better. And

906
01:08:38.479 --> 01:08:44.039
should you put yourself again in a
situation where you're not mentally, physically,

907
01:08:44.239 --> 01:08:47.199
spiritually strong enough to handle that situation? So, you know what, Let's

908
01:08:47.479 --> 01:08:51.920
let's go somewhere else. Let's do
something else, and maybe three months,

909
01:08:51.960 --> 01:08:55.520
six months, a year, ten
years down the line, I'll finally be

910
01:08:55.600 --> 01:09:02.479
able to face, you know,
take on this problem. So is this

911
01:09:02.600 --> 01:09:08.039
about pride? Think about that?
Is this about his pride? Is his

912
01:09:08.079 --> 01:09:13.399
wife have pride? The pilot?
Was that pride that he had? Was

913
01:09:13.439 --> 01:09:18.319
it pity? Was it just indifference? You know? Who knows? Again?

914
01:09:18.720 --> 01:09:24.439
Good things for discussion. Finally,
the whole reliance on pills. You

915
01:09:24.479 --> 01:09:28.800
know, the pilot solution, just
give him another pill? Well is that

916
01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:32.039
right or wrong? I mean,
some medication is literally life saving. Other

917
01:09:32.119 --> 01:09:39.159
medication is literally life destroying and addictive. So, uh, you know,

918
01:09:39.359 --> 01:09:44.279
pros and cons of that use of
a gun, especially in especially in this

919
01:09:44.359 --> 01:09:48.399
time, you know, is it
good or bad? How about the ease

920
01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:53.720
of which how he got a gun? Is that good or bad? You

921
01:09:53.760 --> 01:09:58.239
know? Is violence the answer to
the problem? You know, was it

922
01:09:58.279 --> 01:10:01.279
self defense? Was it done selfishly
or was it done to help other people?

923
01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:06.600
Just you know, I got five
pages of notes and I've already run

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01:10:06.680 --> 01:10:11.000
long. But I hope you,
I hope you can see that there's just

925
01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:16.000
so much stuff that even though this
is about a funky looking grimlin on a

926
01:10:16.039 --> 01:10:21.960
wing, that it's actually about any
problem that you're going through and what are

927
01:10:21.960 --> 01:10:26.239
some things we can do to tackle
it. So again, that's just my

928
01:10:26.319 --> 01:10:28.960
two cents. Again, hopefully this
is some good food for thought for you.

929
01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:31.479
I'm gonna I got to cut off
so again, looking forward to hearing

930
01:10:31.520 --> 01:10:36.359
everybody else's thoughts and we'll talk at
you later. Back. Hey, Tom

931
01:10:36.760 --> 01:10:42.560
Chad here checking in on Nightmare at
twenty thousand feet. I don't have a

932
01:10:42.600 --> 01:10:47.760
whole lot of substance to say other
than this is definitely a top tier Twilight

933
01:10:47.920 --> 01:10:54.840
Zone episode, and I also will
proffer that this is a top tier Twilight

934
01:10:54.960 --> 01:10:59.720
Zone podcast episode. Clocking in at
two and a half hours. We get

935
01:11:00.079 --> 01:11:02.840
a great setup of the host being
on the flight, we get the great

936
01:11:02.880 --> 01:11:09.720
interview with the expert, we get
to cover all the ground the backstory,

937
01:11:10.640 --> 01:11:15.520
we get the little twist ending.
This is just a fantastic episode, well

938
01:11:15.560 --> 01:11:18.039
worth the weight. And the only
sort of thought I have is that,

939
01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:23.199
you know, late fifties, early
sixties, I imagine a lot of people

940
01:11:23.319 --> 01:11:29.680
watching the episode probably hadn't flown very
much, or you know, maybe they

941
01:11:29.720 --> 01:11:33.840
had taken one flight. I mean, commercial airlines have been around, you

942
01:11:33.880 --> 01:11:38.840
know, probably since what nineteen fifteen, nineteen twenty, and we're only talking

943
01:11:38.880 --> 01:11:43.359
about thirty years by the time this
episode comes on. So I think,

944
01:11:43.560 --> 01:11:47.720
putting ourselves in the position of the
viewer, you know, for whom flying

945
01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:53.119
in an airplane probably as relatively new
as far as you know, most of

946
01:11:53.159 --> 01:11:57.479
the population goes at that time,
I imagine this was all the more terrifying.

947
01:11:58.239 --> 01:12:00.399
And as far as the gremlin on
the wing man, I thought that

948
01:12:00.479 --> 01:12:03.880
was a cool suit. I love
those old, old style effects, and

949
01:12:04.439 --> 01:12:09.439
it was We can look back at
it today and maybe laugh at it because

950
01:12:09.479 --> 01:12:13.600
we've seen so much more, but
you know, putting ourselves in the shoes

951
01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:17.159
of viewers at the time, that
thing was pretty creepy and weird and it's

952
01:12:17.239 --> 01:12:21.840
definitely an iconic part of the Twilight
Zone. So yeah, great episode,

953
01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:27.840
both of the show and of the
podcast. I hope everybody enjoyed it. Cheers,