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spread the word. One punch, one step, one round should be one
step, one punch, one round. Yeah, my wife told me that
when I was working out in the bag the other night. Ha, you're
doing it. Never just let me do my thing. She goes, you're
gonna get hurt. How are you doing? What's step one punch one?
Because my legs weren't spread far enough, She goes, you shouldn't be straight
up to the to the bag. You should be like this, And yes,
she's right, but over time I've gotten lazy and I haven't watched myself
do it. Yeah, so I'm just hitting the bag straight up instead of
like getting into a real box doing it. Do you have bits? Yeah?
I do? Well, bring your Do you have boxing? I have
uf C mits? Yeah? Okay, not that I'm gonna get to a
UFC fight at it time, but bring your bring your uf C mits in
the mom Okay, all right, I'll bring in my mits. I'll bring
in my past. I have my wrap mits, my UFC mits and my
quiet punch bits. What. Yeah, I bought this thing called for Beth
once called quiet punch. Well what is quiet punch? Quiet punch is Uh
there's this ball guy who looks like Laradie Buko. Okay, what what are
the mits? The quiet Well, they have to give you a boxing gloves
to do this. It comes with the set. You put this thing in
your doorframe and you just punch it. And they have these videos on YouTube
that you could watch to show you how to do it. Just ten to
twenty minutes of working out a day, you know, doing you know,
hitting this thing. But it's not breaking afford a heavy bag. But it's
a quiet punch because you hit this thing and it doesn't make much noise,
and you could get a workout in in your little doorway. But my wife
was like, why can't get a good body shot in on this thing?
I'm like, oh, I'm sorry, Venus tomorrow. Oh, I apologize.
I didn't realize that, you know, you were a pro here.
So I had to get round to Rousey a big heavy bag instead of the
year after all. Right, So but I got these gloves, these quiet
punch gloves that came with it. So I'll bring those tomorrow, the quiet
punch gloves. Are they full boxing? I'll bring in mits never mind,
I'll just bring in the mess. You don't want me to bring them interesting
to make fun of them. Oh, you can bring in anything you want.
I'll make sure that, I admit. I'll just bring my bag.
I'll vince in that, and we'll do a video, a video, yeah,
of Danny boxing. Come on, it'll be good. Okay, you're
not gonna hit back, right, No, I was gonna say it was
like hitting the bag. I want to get punched. I was gonna say
to you, what do you want to hear first? How we've created real
reality TV? Drama, legit or inappropriate gym attire. But since you're talking
about working out, will go inappropriate GM go with the inappropriate gym attire.
So I'm at the gym and I see an outfit that is tight, tiny
and revealing, tight, tiny and revealing on a dude. On a dude
I know, I know, red shorts, short shorts with some spandex that
may be sewn in, but isn't coming much longer than the hem of the
shorts. This dude is in front of a mirror. He had to put
this fucking outfit on and go. I want a twenty foot radius with no
one around me. I want to be able to walk up to any piece
of equipment and somebody goes, sure, here's that's all I can think this.
I don't know his junk look like he shoved a water balloon down the
front of his short. Oh wow, like literally, if it was in
the back, you'd think he had a load. Okay, seriously, wow,
it's all up there. And this guy is in front of a mirror.
So, because I normally anytime I see somebody in a questionable outfit,
I go do they own a mirror? Like I have seen? And you
know what, more power to you. There would be people out there that
would say, hey, God bless you, you be you. I say,
you're a fat sow and you probably don't want to leave the house looking
like that, and you're not healthy. Well, we can't be telling everybody
your body's beautiful. It is. That's fine. I'm not saying don't be
happy. I'm just saying, for being honest, you're probably not as healthy
as you could be if you lost a few lbs. Fair or not far
fair? Because why do you think they rebranded WeightWatchers as WW Yeah, they
don't call it weight watchers anymore. And I get it. I understand we
don't need to beat people up. That's fine. But when you wear something
so tight that a blind man could rub your hind end and fucking read your
name and your fat dimples, that do you understand what I'm saying? Like
I've seen this and not like recently recently, I've seen it out out.
Yes, oh this is Jimmy. This is a woman I saw, but
this dude's got so now this guy and I don't know like where to look
exactly, but I need to move over towards this guy. And I'm trying
not to. And I'm seeing these two other guys who are older than me.
They're working out kind of together, and they're like you could tell that
they're noticing and kind of giving each other the side eye, but nobody wants
to say anything, because God forbid you say anything. First thing I do
is look for the cameras, right, So I go, okay, this
guy has he's doing squats, but he's got oh no, no, wait,
I gotta show you. Let me step back. He's doing squats,
but he's doing them so there's a barbell between his legs like this, so
it's diagonal, and he's down and lifting the bell and you it's like it's
a whole fuck. This is choreographed. This is a Corey. He practiced
this at home before he came this idea. I don't know did he have
makeup on? Uh? Not that I not that I saw, Okay,
not that I were there any like phones set up in his vicinity like on
tripause. Oh I didn't see any of that either, No nose phones,
no anything. But here's my thing. If you worked at this gym and
somebody came up and complained, or multiple people complain, Now I don't think
anybody will. I would like, here's the here's the thing. This is
fitness. And I know this is a judgment for his zone, but well
there should be some decorum, like you know over here. I get it.
My father always said he just christ YadA. I go to the gym
where it was like the girls are walking around naked. I go, okay,
okay, but you know what, and like I I instruct boxing,
it's mostly women. Uh yeah, there's some outfits at fine. I see
nothing like they spent three hours ready to go to the gym. I see
not. I sow and I mean this. I'm so focused on making sure,
to your wife's point, that when you're punching, you're hitting with your
first two knuckles so you don't end up with the boxing fracture, which I've
had several times. And you just want to make sure right. So I'm
focused on that. When I'm working mitsch or looking the bag, I'm not
looking at your ass. I don't care. Knuckles, knuckles, knuckles,
yeah, I don't want your but the knuckles with this guy was a fucking
moose knuckle right out there. It was like it was right, hey,
knuckle, Oh my god. I couldn't so. I I mean I kind
of admire the balls on the guy. Literally, I admire them. They
were nice and clean shaven. They wherever there was amazing. I could tell
you don't have to stickular cancer, right if someone complained, would you be
comfortable speaking to this person about their outfit? This is where it gets tricky.
Yeah, because you want to bitch about it all you want, but
you don't see the thing. Well, the thing to me is like,
I don't really care. I'm not it's me. I'm not really offended.
I wouldn't wear something like that, uh, because you kind of look ridiculous
in my opinion, But really you're comfortable with it, and who you know,
why do I care? However, there could be somebody, I mean,
people complain about shit. I wouldn't even think to complain about so.
And we'll get into just the way people think a little later in the podcast,
and I go, would you would you do something? Now? I've
had I do work at a gym. I work at Embody I so I
instruct exercise boxing classes there. Primarily I have had to talk to somebody about
the odor that they had. Remember, Yeah, yeah, and I did.
I just said because in that department, it is somewhat offensive to more
people. Yeah, yeah, just when the fans on. Yeah, I
was I was reading my friend's manuscripts a sudden Kevin Willie watching we got we
got a warm front coming through, dude, I just as it quick aside.
I'm reading my friend's manuscript last night and it's really touching. And he's
he was hiking in the Anerondecks. His dog ended up on a cliff.
He went off to save the dog and neither one of them can get back.
So this is the thing. And he's talking about out like times he
had to really tough through. And he uses an analogy about how he and
his wife went to Niagara on the Lake and they got spot treatments and he
was really looking forward to a massage and they asked what gender massuse? Do
you want? What technician? And he said, I really want to make
sure I have a woman. And he goes in walks a great big guy
like big guy, and I keep thinking to myself, I'll be fine,
I'll be fine. He goes, but there was something about the man hands
and all of a sudden as he goes, So I've got my face down
in that little round ring and he goes, this guy rips a fart,
rips a fart while giving me the massage, and then in his deep voice
and with the southing music behind him, just goes, excuse me. And
he's like, but now I'm stuck there and the stench is right in my
face, and I got my face in the ring, and I go But
this is what he's thinking about as he's on the side of I forget the
Mountain of Mohawks, Mountain Mohawk, something in the Adirondacks, trying to save
his dog from a cliff. This is in the manuscript. I was fucking
roaring. It's like eleven thirty at night. I'm in bed reading that.
It's like, oh, this is great, go to your happy place.
Yes, but but odor is a bad thing. The outfit, it's almost
like it's not, you know, nothing sticking out and everything's covered. I
don't would you ever do something just as uncomfortable as you feel in other words,
like start engaging this person in conversation. Maybe pulling your pants up to
like you're junk, you know, like like you're wearing your like your trunk
short trunks up to your nips. Little and then start taking your shirt off.
It's stretching out like like almost like where what you carries to play those
crazy characters in a little color? Yes, so how much you like make
them uncomfortable so maybe they'll leave and they're like, man, what's wrong with
this guy? What the reality is? You know, you're in control and
it's them the whole time. I don't know. I don't think I could
do that either. Okay I could. I couldn't do that. I might
be able to now. I did say to somebody today that I have my
balls hang out of my pants in a bar. That's not surprising, like
I just like and they go, it's a woman, and I don't know
how this came up and something, and I go, well, yeah,
I've heard of that kind of stuff and they go really and I go,
yeah, I mean I let my balls hang out in the bar and she
goes, what And I said, yeah, She's like, how do you
do that? When you're saying I go, no, you're standing up,
you gotta fly. You just flop your balls out and tuck everything else back.
And then you just sit there drinking and don't say a word. You
say nothing, not a thing, and then all of a Suddeny's talking and
you'll see, you'll they snap like you wanted. Some people go boa like
when they notice that your balls are hanging out. Go you know, those
are the old day, Those were the old days, Daddy, those are
the night should have never stopped, Billy. I might have been early two
thousands. I think I was. I might have been married. Four Zuckerberg
ruined our lives was with Facebook topics. Wow, I'll tell you this.
There was no no pictures, no pictures. I had no pictures of my
balls hanging out. Okay, but however I would moon constantly while I'm the
Saint John Fisher University campus. And I remember my we went away on a
ski trip and my buddy's mom really wanted the same pictures and he had developed
and she's going through and there's my furry as. Back then, you really
had to work for it to get pictures. Yeah, you had to work.
You did have to work, all right. Reality TV drama that we
have created and it is not this guy in his red shorts working out at
an area gym. Okay, and if you if you work at this gym,
you know this guy because you've seen him. You can't. You can't
not see this guy. Oh, is he like one of those Rochester characters.
No, he's not even a character. It's just like you can't be
in that same space and not see him. I don't care. It's like
arresting leaning you stop, come stop. Reality TV show drama. We have
a friend that is working right now currently on a reality TV show in Miami
for Netflix. And the reality TV show is got some pretty well known names
in it, but it's more about the wives of these well known names.
Okay, so like o Cho Sinko is in it, but it's more about
his wife running a business or his girlfriend running a business. And I think
minority female owned entrepreneurship is sort of the the bend on this a little bit.
I think, I'm not I'm not really sure. So they call these
wags wives and girlfriends. Yes, wives and girlfriends. So I get a
text the other day and I then included you as part of my research in
this on a text I saw that, yeah, which you didn't respond to,
but I wasn't wasn't addressed. I was like, yes, I copied
you in on it, just thinking that maybe you would then be inspired to
do something. But apparently not, so I'm fucking with you. Fuck.
So, Robbie Chosen Anderson was a receiver with the Jets, and then he
was a receiver with Miami. And I remember him because he had a long
neck, a tattoo kind of up around his collarbone neck, lower neck,
and I remember him on the Jets. I just remember thinking that guy could
be he was tall, maybe like six or four I'm thinking, and I
don't know. I didn't look up any stats. So I get a thing
saying did he end up with Carolina at one point too? Yes? Yes
he did. OK. Can you find if I find out if Robbie Chosen
Anderson is on an NFL team this season? So I do some research on
the internet. You can pretty much find anything. And the last I can
see was that he was with Miami. He was released sometime mid season,
but brought back on the practice squad, and then in December, when Tarik
Hill got hurt, he was called up from the practice squad. He had
one game where he had maybe a couple of yards, next game, no
yards, but left with a concussion. I played majority of the game and
left with the concussion. And all that was from December of twenty twenty three.
I'm not seeing whether or not Robbie Chosen Anderson is on a roster or
not. Now the conclusion would be, yeah, he's still on Miami.
But I'm going you were on the practice squad, you got no yards.
When he got in a game, you got no real yards. The other
time you got hurt. I'm not sure if this guy's on or not.
So I reach out to you and Peter Montemerno. Yeah. Peter comes back
and says, talk to three people that are have connections to the NFL.
Two of them say he's with Miami. One says he doesn't have a team.
And then I get a text from Peter, not on the Fins.
He's not on the Dolphins. Okay. So I call our mutual friend who's
producing this show for Netflix, and I say, Robbie Anderson is not on
a team, not on the Dolphins anyway, and she says, oh,
okay, because he's trying to flex on us. Now, I don't know
if Robbie was part of this, or Robbie's significant other is part of this
or not. So today I get a text saying that you have helped launch
an entire reality TV storyline. And she sent a voice message. She sends
that text and I go, you're kidding Robbie Anderson. So I guess they
went to Robbie and said, Robbie, we know you're not on a team.
You're telling us you're on a team and that you're gonna be heading off
like they're doing all. I guess she said to me, they're doing all
this stuff where, yeah, Robbie's gonna be leaving in a couple of weeks,
he's got to go to OTA's and you know, all this stuff.
And she's like, but it's all like posturing, and she goes, something's
not adding up, and I go, yeah, I don't. I don't
think dude's on the team. So that's when I did the research. That's
when I all back. Now, I say no, So, uh,
she sends me things saying she talked to Tarik Hill. Oh really, Yes,
she spoke with Tarik Hill, who is considered maybe the best at his
position in the NFL. He said one of the firsts Well, he's definitely
the fastest. Yeah, and he's one of the best, Okay, one
of the best of the receiver position. And Tarik Hill. So she says,
Robbie chose, and Anderson is telling people he's on the Dolphins, but
and he goes, he's trash. Tarik Hill goes, she's trash. He's
trash, like he goes, I don't like him. So I guess now
because of that. Tonight for the reality show, they're filming a party scene.
They're going to some party and because of this storyline, tek Kill and
his wife are going to go. So I think Robbie's gonna be there,
and Tarik it sounds like it's gonna confront Robbie about saying he's on the team
and he's not. Andik knows he's not right. But all this got uncovered
because well none, I mean, all I did was ask Peter and Peter
it was really Peter, It's really I wonder why you were texting Peter and
like you had me because because that was the last text was a joint text.
Oh okay. I also figured, but though Peter might know something like
you might have some inside information. Well that's what Peter wikipedia other people,
and I looked. I looked through all the stuff I could find, and
I thought Peter's gonna get have them. There's I could I could contact a
bunch of people. But I know this. If I said to Peter,
don't say anything, don't don't tell anybody we found this out, I don't
want to. He would if I say to other people that I know they
were connected, I don't trust that they're going to keep their mouth shut.
Hey man, I found that out front Netflix show Man and go, Okay,
that's not what I want at all. So it's but I mean,
I don't know. Maybe he's trying. Maybe maybe Robbie Anderson's trying to talk
it into reality. You know what this is like? Speak, Yeah,
speaking into exis like you hate to get on the team. Well, I
hate those people. Always the idea, how good do you have to be
to suck at the NFL? You know, yeah, how good you have
to be to suck, to be excellent, to suck at the NFL.
And Robbie he's not a terror. He wasn't rib was starter with the Jets.
I think he was hen Carolina. The problem is he was. He
was a head case in the NFL. You have a short shelf life,
like if you get like the average NFL career I think is like three and
a half to four years, less though it used to be two but I
don't might it might even be less than that. So uh yeah, so
we started this thing and we'll find out tonight. But I go, this
is kind of like your friend who's like, yeah, I mean I worked
in it, and then you find out their biggest technical challenge is resetting your
router in some way, like you know what I mean, imaginary technician is
what you really are. So I don't know what Robbie Anderson, what what's
happening? But Robbie, Robbie the Chosen. I think the name chosen rubs
to rekill the wrong. Oh I'm sure it does. I mean, who
who called themselves the chosen? Especially when you're like middling receiver at best.
But here's the funny thing. So you've ever been to a party where there
are some professionals there. I'm sure you've been to quite a few of them,
and somebody says, you know, I do this, and then someone
who actually really does that, Oh you do? Oh? Like what do
you do? So I had I have a friend who's a pilot, like
a Bonti fied pilot, right, that's his job, and another mutual acquaintance
of ours that was dated this guy who also claimed to be a pilot,
and my pilot front said, oh you are okay. So he's not assuming
that he's not a pilot. He just said. She starts asking these pilot
questions and the kid couldn't answer the questions. Not to mention, the kid's
also dating a woman who's like twenty years older than him, has a lot
of money, has had some work done, and so he's kind of like,
you know, social climbing his way up a little bit. And he's
like and all of a sudden, he couldn't answer these simple basis your friend
cock block him? No, he was just that he was just talking to
him about being a pilot, and folks, sure about to block a guy
from the cock He was already this woman, she was parading him around like,
here's my young study pilot. He's he's got the he got the bomber
jacket on, all this stuff. Kind of pilot though, like, uh,
privates private, he could really answer, like, my buddy's actually a
pilot. He could he's a private pilot. He could fly commercially, could
do whatever he wants, but he he flies for a certain group. Where
is this guy, Like he didn't even have his pilot's license, and so
it went for being a pilot to well, gotta work it out, Yeah
pilot. My my uncle and cousin are pilots, or my uncle's retired.
But uh so I know, I know the thing it is. It's my
father. You used to always call it being a glorified bus driver. We
had another friend who tried to play the military card once, you know,
like military they have these special coins, like if you served a certain brigade
or something, and sometimes they'll pass them out to friends. It's a bad
one and yeah, you can't do that. Yeah, he pulled the coin
out. They go, what brigade were you in? Well? I was,
it was it was a friend to mider, gave me this. But
you can't win that out. Yeah you don't whip that out. Go oh,
I have one because my friend served. Yeah, I know exactly what
that is. My buddy was there. You're always better off being honest in
those situations. Yes, when you try to pretend you're more than you are,
you know, always end up getting blown away every time. Every time
I want it doesn't pay, you know, it does not. Uh you
know you mentioned a woman who had some work done and stuff. Uh,
we're going to get into and this will be the last day for a while
that I talked about Sandra Doyley. But there were comments written, a voicemail
left, and I want to address all these. However, I will say
this to the Quotella Center for Plastic Surgery. Why are you starting to laugh?
I'm not, Yes, you are. You're starting the case. No,
I don't know where you're going. No, I am saying, but
that's a heck of a jump. Well, well, here's why I I
have If you have any marketing savvy whatsoever, Sandra Dorley has had work done,
she has had it done at the Quetella Center, and she has posed
before and after for their social media. I didn't know this, I have
it got sent to me. What I'm saying is, if you have any
marketing savvy, now you jump on this while it's hot, and you get
a billboard and you put up Sandra Dorley and you put the caption the Quetellas
Center for Plastic Surgery. We're so good. Won't make you look excellent on
bodycam? Huh? That woman looked great on a body cam, on a
fucking body camp. I was at a self check out today. I looked
up, I go God, damn, I gotta go to the play.
I gotta go get the right. You look like you go brought the fuck
right. She looked great, and she looks incredible. She looks incredible.
She sat down with the ten NBC. Yeah, and uh, people were
waiting on that too. I'm sure, I'm sure, and I have it
all egg from all I have, not just about her. I have a
lot to say. I have a lot to say. But I didn't realize
she had plastic surgery. And I'm sin no, she did, and she
she had was because of her because of her cancer? No, oh was
it sure? I don't know that it's because of fucking gravity and age.
Okay, and why else would you? Right? She had like what they
would call a turkey neck. She had a deep neck contour. And I'll
tell you what you can set. You can look at her and go,
this is a sixty plus year old woman that has had work done. But
it isn't it's really great work. Like she looks great. And I'm just
saying, Quitella center, you you absolutely should that work is. It's practically
flawless. She looks fantastic, and I think she had her eyes lifted up.
I think she had a very slight thing and she had the deep neck
contour. I will show you. People have sent me the side by side
and I will show it to you. The hair restoration, like don't you
do that? They do that for men as well. Yeah, that's part
of plastic surgery. I hadic surgery when I was a kid. I ripped
my fell off a bike and I ripped my face from here all the way
down to here. And the lady next door was from Ireland and she's like,
you have to take him to a plastic searcheon. And they took me
to a plastic surgeon just to make sure it healed properly. I've not been
to plastic surgery for anything. This mug is like a fucking Catchers myth.
But that's uh all right, Yeah, what she looks fantastic. And all
I'm saying is, if you have any marketing savvy with telecenter, put that
on a billboard now. Put it on a billboard now, or bring it
here to BILLI find. Well yeah, but I'm just saying, like,
put it up, do something with that. Because you got the side by
side. It's excellent work. I will show you when we take a moment
Danny, and then I'm gonna put it up on the on a screen too
when you watch them later, but I'll let you see it. And then
lots of comments about what we've talked about with Sandra this week, and we
will get into all that next. But first, Danny, did you know?
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Last Time I Believe is a song by The Stones, and this song its
bid the Fast Time. Okay, I'm pretty sure because everyone when they got
sued, well they got sued, you know, it's the lawyers. And
then after twenty years Mickey Keith go ah fuck yeah, they pulled out.
They no longer get writing credit on the song they did for twenty years and
they don't know. They both said no, which, by the way,
we are living in an amazing age. I showed Danny the work with Santa
Doorley night and day. Yes, right, night and day. You go
from like what we all knew as a woman in her later years to hot.
Yeah, all right, she looks fantastic. Quit Tella Center did an
unbelievable job. Like there are times you look at people you go go to
la, go to la. I'll show you some that work. But this
but this is great. I mean, she looks fantastic. But I'm going
we're living like in the age of the milf right now, Like you can
you can be hot right up until until you're in the grave. Yeah,
I think so. Like I'll tell you who looks great? Woman you can't
stand Nancy Pelosi. I gotta say she does. He looks fantastic. But
at the same time, since we're talking about the stones, because he's drinking
all the blood of all those people. This is this is Mick Jagger,
eighty year old Mick Jagger getting ready for a show. I think this is
in Houston with his backup singers backstage, just two of them and Mick.
I know, you think the queen of the land the ground. He's eighty.
You can Simon Flowers every morning. Simon Flowers by the male. It
doesn't selling any eighty year old I knew. No, I mean, well,
Simon flowers to my they have that traveling gym that goes with the miner.
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if, like, I'm not saying
there's anything wrong with doing this on our doctor's care. But I wouldn't be
surprised if he's on like HGH or still probably he probably is, you know,
but I remember Tommy Burnett saying that they were backstage and they were saying
like mix coming through. Nobody looked look at him. I don't think Tommy
was backstage with his some version. I don't know if it was his band,
No, I don't think it was. I think it was the Tommy
Burnett Bank and then uh Andy Babby Yuke wrote a whole book on their equipment
and toured with the Stones. So don't look at me. Well, I'm
sick already. Vedder tells this great story about how he's supposed to join the
Stones for a song from and he's like, wait, do I go on
now? And then and then Keith told him all he's believeing me. Hanging
mate forever, h Sander Dorley. Sorry, I'm the Da. I was
going fifty five coming home from work. Okay, oh, just drive it
fifty five all right. So I got a lot of feedback on the comments
we made, and people thought that basically too easy and too light. I'll
read you one. We're talking about Monday show or too yeah, Monday Show,
Monday show that I called Doorley Dash. It was episode three fifty nine.
Okay, want to go back? Yeah, okay, So Wendy wrote,
I listened to the podcast the title Doorley Dash. I felt you guys
were easy on her. You know, if that were anyone else, it
would have played out differently. The fact that she does her job goes without
saying. Bill, I thought you especially were way too easy. I expected
you to say more about her behavior and I so I wrote back, and
I go, this has made me take pause and think, I guess I
was easy on Da Doorley. Everyone was saying that if this is if this
were you and I, we would have been in bracelets. If I lean
back into my car, I would have been dragged out of out and thrown
on the ground. If I went into my house like d A. Dorley,
I would have had a gun on me. Maybe all those things may
have happened. Then we got this comment too, Hey Bill, Hi,
I was listening to you three white guys somewhat defending Sandrad Dorley and attributing her
bad behavior to having a bad day. My question is, what if it
was a black person, an ordinary citizen, or even a public servant.
Do you think they would be treated or looked at the same way. I'm
just asking hope to hear the answer on your podcast. Great podcast. Yeah
bye. First of all, I'm not white. I'm gonna tell you all
right, so all right here, I'm gonna tell you why. The more
I think about it, and the more I hear that, and the more
that argument gets thrown up, and I say, it holds no water,
right, And I'm going to tell you why it holds no water because it's
an impossibility. It's an impossibility. It wouldn't happen. You're right if it
were a black person. But if it were a black da who called maybe
the same thing would have happened. Yeah, you have to make an apple
couple, can't. You cannot make the comparison. You can't stand in here
and go if this were me, it ain't you motherfucker. You didn't go
to law school, you didn't be a DA for many many years. You
don't have that. And I'm sorry, but you can't be like a little
kid going, hey they got ice cream and I didn't. That's not how
the world works. It's just not. And so everybody who's out there going,
well, this would have happened and this, yeah, maybe it would
have. Don't be an asshole. She was an asshole. I've called that
out. She was an asshole. She's even said she was an asshole.
She used harsh language. Somebody on this podcast, I'll just say Matt Reese,
who is a manager of bTB has been in the hospitality business since he
was nineteen years old, said, this is clearly someone a person who's been
drunk. This is a drunk person. That's what he said. This is
someone who's been drinking. Now, I'll play a little bit in a minute
of the Jen Luki stuff, but I because she's asked directly that and she's
says no, but I went back through and then spliced into a video that
you can see on my social media, Matt saying she was drinking and me
going, I never thought that. I would have never thought that, because
she doesn't come off as drunk, she comes off as belligern. But he's
like, never gets close to the cop, doesn't want him to smell her,
goes in her house, does all this stuff, and he's like that
that's why the behavior. Now, somebody else wrote to me, going,
please, I know this family, don't say that that's ridiculous. Maybe,
but again, if nothing makes sense, something makes sense. This is a
person of high stature in our community who absolutely acted like the worst you can
act. I mean, this was the worst. If we saw this display
in public, we'd be like, you wouldn't want to be friends with that
person. You'd be embarrassed to be around them. Am I wrong? That's
an embarrassing thing to watch. However, to say that she got away with
it, and I, yeah, she did. You know why because she's
the DA, she's able to call the cop. I was Bill Moran on
the radio and I got out of tickets. I did get pulled over.
I pulled over and then we go, hey man, slow down, love
your show. I would get that. See you when I got pulled over
on the break extra tickets not all the time talk like that. I go,
okay, but uh is that fair? No, it's I guess you
could say it wouldn't be, but you would never know. And it's it's
sort of the perk of being the DA. Everybody's got a perk. Don't
tell me if that if you can call pull strings, you will. Why
do people buy those cop stickers and put them in their car. They're not
donating to the PBA, you understand, right. So I have a friend
who got pulled over by a state trooper who had a stick around and they
go, who do you know? And the person said so and so,
and they go, really, give me your phone. I want to see
their number in your phone. And the person had it in the phone and
they left and with them and yeah, but I'm just saying, like,
so, I mean, but why do we do that? Why does anybody
do it? You do it because you want a little bit of power.
If Sandra Dorley got I could here's the thing. You knew she was in
the threat when she pulled in. She yeah, she's a woman who had
plastic surgery who got out of her car and immediately says, I'm the DA
and I'm on the phone with your boss. Do you think that she's going
in to reach for a gun in her car? No? Do you think
she's going in? No? At this point, that guy's going on.
Fuck. I hope I don't get yelled at by my chief. That's what
I think he's thinking. He's not worried about what she's doing. So you
can say, if this were you or me, you can't do that.
Stop living your life where you're looking about. I didn't get it. They
got it. I didn't get Stop. It's not about what anybody else gets.
It's only about you, and it's about how you handle things, and
you can get whatever you want. You chose not to be a DA,
you chose not to go to law school and then be a DA. A
lot of people don't want to be a DA. I know guys who have
left the DA's office and make millions of dollars, literally millions of dollars.
One is that in your chair? Oh yeah, yeah, was a DA?
Now? Yeah not not greg No. But I'm just saying, like,
so, there's people kind ofnice office. I'm underw F and they leave,
they leave, and that's what it. Sandra could leave and probably make
way more money. Oh yeah, way more money. I'm not if you
think I was soft on her. Here's why this isn't a big deal.
It's a fucking traffic stop and a snobby bitch. That's what it is.
It's a snobby bitch. I have no other way to say it. I
mean, she was a bit of a snobby. And I want to go
back to Greg's point he made on Monday Show where he said, you know,
everybody's looking for vengeance. They didn't get something somewhere, so now they
want to exact vengeance for where they've been wronged on a public example like this.
And I'm telling you, and I agree with Greg, and I'm telling
you this Rochester, be careful for what you wish because you might just get
it. Oh. If this poor woman gets like taken out of office and
replaced by the governor, we're worse for its better potentially. Yeah, I
guarantee it would say that she's a hell of a DA and Mike Green was
a hell of a DA, and Howard Rellan was a hell of a DA.
We have a great track record of great da to fight crime that continue
to stack up, but in this area because of New York's crooks. But
Danny, here's the thing is, like, I'll go back to this individual
case with Thorley. Well, I got people going, yeah, she's practiced
his law. What she knows it's a slam dunk case. How do you
My question is, And I didn't want to get into any pissing match with
anybody, but I I really, really really tried, if nothing else to
show. I don't say this because now I'll sound like an asshole, but
to try to think, to try to ask anybody to think, I don't
know what a slam dunk case is. I would think that there's really no
such thing as a slam dunk case. I'll use OJ as an example only
because it's the biggest one that everybody was just talking about since his passing.
I think most people thought that was a slam dunk case. It wasn't,
No, clearly, So I don't believe there's there's a slam dunk case for
you to say she only does slam dunk cases. How have you ever tried
a case? Have you ever been a lawyer, have you ever been a
you been to anybody a fucking clerk that filed in there? Do you know
anything about the law and any of that stuff. I don't, So therefore
I'm not going to comment on that. I don't. I don't think she's
only tried slam dunk cases. I think she puts her heart out there and
really tries to fight for the victims and their families, right, or for
the people who are victims who have survived crimes and victims who have not,
and then for their families. But this case, this became a pissing match.
Stand over here, I'm not doing it right. It became a pissing
match, that's all it was. And I will say that I understand the
theory of what's good for the goose is good for the gander, in other
words, meaning one person's situation should be treated the same way that another person
or situation is treated. However, stop looking at what everybody else is getting.
It's never going to be the same. It's just not so to tell
me that three white guys talking about it. Yeah, three white guys talking
about it, And I think any let's just just say three guys, three
people, three people should be able to look at this and go. You
can't say it that way. It'll never be. It will never be.
If you had the chief's phone number on speed dial in your phone, where
you could go, you know, just say hey, whatever your device is.
I don't want to say it because it'll set off your phone call so
and so you would, any one of us would. It's like I said,
four out of five people who've been criticizing this situation in the soon,
I'll give you an example. I'll give you an example. I've done it
myself. I've done it myself. A couple of years ago, I got
into a car accident in my car. I was not driving, somebody else
was driving. The person who hit us was intoxicated. I just knew that
the person who was driving my car was well known, is well known in
this community. And I was standing there and my wife at the time was
in the car, and we got hit kind of twice. As the car
spun around. The airbag had started to deflate. My wife was a little
bit injured. She was being attended to by amts, and the person who
was driving the car was being detained by police for questioning and stuff. And
I stayed I was behind the drivers in the driver in the passenger seat,
but behind the driver. And I sat there and I called a buddy of
mine who was just getting off his shift, and I said, TV's going
to show up, and I don't want my name associated with this, and
I don't want my buddy's name. And they came and they got us out
of there quietly and quickly. We were not at fault. We did not,
There was nothing, There was nothing that would be anything bad, right.
I just did not want the drama. I did not want my name
associated on accident. I don't want my kids hearing about it and want the
teachers asking them. I didn't want anything. I just wanted to go.
So I did what Sandra Dorley did. Now any finds that I got none,
and neither did the person driving my car. And it was not our
fault. This other person was drunk and hit us. But I got out
of there because I had somebody's number, and I did. They came and
scooped us up, and off we went. We were gone. Once everything
was clear. They're like, yeah, would have done the same. Well.
All I'm saying is that if you have the ability, if you had
the ability to get backstage at a concert because you know somebody, you're probably
gonna do it if it's an artist you really like. Is that fair?
Does everybody else get to be treated that way? Hey? Does the black
guy get to go? No? Do you understand what I'm saying? Like,
that's why this argument that you have. I understand that we want our
elected officials to behave better right. Tell you what, had she pulled over,
she probably wouldn't have gotten a ticket because she does know the chief,
and she probably would have we would have never heard of this. But she
didn't. She acted like an asshole, plain and simple. Yeah. Yeah.
Here she is talking to Jen Loki for TENBC. Sandra, I'm gonna
start with a question. I think everybody wants to know, why didn't you
stop? I have no good answer for that. I regret what I did.
I am so sorry for what I did. If I could go back
in time, I certainly would handle the situation a lot differently. I wish
I could say this is why I didn't stop, But I have no good
answer. I made a mistake. What were you hoping to achieve by calling
the police chief three times during that incident? So the context is you know
what I work with law enforcement every single day. I have every single chief
cell phone in my phone. When I realized that the officer was attempting to
pull me over, I wanted to make sure by calling the chief that he
knew it was me and that I wasn't a threat. That first call lasted
approximately eighteen seconds. Can I tell you exactly what was said in it?
You know, I don't remember. Was that the wrong decision? Obviously,
yes, it was wrong. I made the wrong decision and I regret it.
You were trying to get out of the ticket at that point. I
wanted the officer to know that I was not a threat, and I'm sorry
for that. Why not just pull over and tell him you're not a threat.
I don't have a good answer for that. I made a mistake.
I was not thinking clearly. It all happened so fast. If you understand
the area where drinking, you know, so the officer does. And I
know that people get mad at me for saying that, but it just does
a little over a minute. The whole thing unraveled so quickly. I made
a lot of mistakes. If I could go back in time, I would
certainly stop and handle it differently. But I didn't and I was a jerk.
You told the officer to quote, get out of my house. When
he resisted his commands, he went into your suv, You went into your
house, and at one point you called him an act. Anyone else who
did that likely would have been cuffed and arrested. Yeah, and was absolutely
and we knew that it wasn't a threat. And we don't know what's going
on. And I really have no words from my behavior, you know what.
I could tell you that I had a bad day, there were things
on my mind, but really that is no excuse. I was wrong.
Police officers deserve to be treated with respect. Me of all people, I've
been the advocate for that in this community, and I failed immensely. I
owe that officer an apology. I owe law enforcement an apology. I have
nothing else other than to say, I am sorry, and it wasn't me.
That's not how I act. If you saw body worn camera video,
like someone in your position who ignored those commands, would you push to charge
them with more than just a speeding ticket? What I would do if I
was reviewing something like this, I would look at the whole circumstances, just
like we do every single case. That comes in the office. You've got
to look at everything that was going on, you know, And I think
that's what should be done. In my case. We were you under the
influence of any alcohols, any drugs, prescription or not. That's where I
want to splice them. Where she yelled, Oh my god, whatsoever?
I left work at you know, five twenty and went right home. No
illegal drugs. I'm always on prescription chemotherapy drugs that I take, you know,
at least three to four times a week, but not under the influence
of any that nothing, nothing illegal, and nothing that I believe would have
affected, you know, my ability to make a decision. I was stupid,
you know, Jen. There's there's nothing else I could say. And
I regret what I did and I'm really sorry for it. So I kind
of cut there. I'll play one other piece. I've watched those those shows,
Danny, you have too Blue Bloods. I know your wife watches CS.
They all have bottles in their desk. They d a when they sell
they got bottles or something there. I've seen it. So here's where my
head went. I don't know, Like, first of all, I didn't
want to believe the drinking thing I still don't. She brought the chemotherapy pills,
which I don't think is relevant to this less one thing. And you're
gonna laugh at me, And I'm not trying to be funny. I'm trying
to be serious. What if what if she really had to go to the
bathroom. No, I'm not I'm not trying to be If we hang on,
if that were the case, then she spent a long time walking around.
The adrenaline changes. Well, it could the adrenaline or or she's wearing
depends, and maybe that's why she wanted to keep a distance, because maybe
there's I got it, you know, And I'm not trying to No,
that's true. I mean there there are side effects to these drugs, and
the side effects she I think she has a blood cancer. I'm not sure
that it's exactly leukemia or something. I don't know. I don't I don't
know. I think it's in remission. But I think you're always fighting it.
Yes, So that's that's that's. Uh, till your five years clear
of cancer, like you, you still consider here is this is Jen Luki
asking the question. It looks like to the community, this is a clear
cut example of rules for the and not rules for me. I understand that,
you know, especially with members of the community. You know, for
example, white people and black people, we perceive I submit law enforcement differently,
the criminal justice system differently. But all I can tell you is,
as a DA what I perceived. My initial thought actually, when I saw
the police officer turn around, I thought he was going off to another stop.
Then he got a call for service, and then when I called the
chief. My goal then was to say I'm not a threat, because I
didn't want him to think he was approaching a car and not knowing what to
expected. All right, but here's my thing. You want to compare,
here's what you can compare. You can compare your behavior to her behavior and
never act like her. Don't ever act like that, because she looks like
an asshole, and she left a bad taste in people's mouths, and some
people will remember that when they vote again, and they're not going to be
able to look past it. But the comparison, you're never going to get
a fair comparison. You just can't. It doesn't happen. Back to high
school, the honor student could get away with anything, right, Oh yeah,
yeah, the kid who was usually marginal somewhere sort of suspected a ship.
He was always blamed for everything. He didn't do it right right,
That's called life. Fucking figure it out and stop comparing. Well, so
I get handcutt. No, you wouldn't. My father used to race cars
like as a kid. Yeah, and used to get pulled over all the
time. So one time he gets pulled over, he wasn't speeding and he
get in. The cop tells me, I know who you are, and
for all the times you didn't get caught. Now, I'm not saying that
was right, but the point is, he goes, Danny boy, I
had a reputation. Yes, you have a ticket, and look just why
keep your nose the da. She had never heard a thing about her until
now. So the only people protesting her are called criminals. She's convicted,
well, and people who want to jump on this bandwagon because I got nothing
else to do some Uh So did I go easy on Sandra Dorley? Yeah?
I think you're pretty fair because you were kept you keep calling her an
a hole. I saw well, I saw shin affair. I saw a
shitty behavior by a person that I never expected to see shitty behavior by Yeah,
that's what I saw. And I also know that I'm not her parent
and I'm not her significant other, and it reflects nothing on me. And
so for me, all I saw it was as comical. I could see
that as anybody with half a brain. That no way was she a threat.
She wasn't. If that's some big burly guy who's screaming at the at
the cop, there's a chance he gets taste as he goes back in,
because we don't know who he is. We have no idea. She got
out and handed the officer his boss on the phone, and you can hear
him talk to him go yeah, okay, sir, Hello sir, yeah,
knowing it's his boss. Right. I bet you if the big burly
guy got out and goes I got your boss on the phone, and he
takes the phone or says put it on speaker, and then all of a
sudden you hear the chief's voice come over, that guy's not getting taste if
he goes back in his car. But so to make this comparison, I'm
sorry, I think that that's a non thinking answer. I really, you
can say anything you want about it. We're all welcome to opinions. They're
halfway between fact and fiction. That's mine. I think it's a non thinking
answer, different angle on this. Yeah, and our friend, we're our
old friend, Sean Carroll. He's in Syracuse now, he's an executive producer
I think of a Syracuse station. He brought this up today on Twitter,
and I don't know what your thoughts are about it. And he wasn't criticizing
Jan Luki or Channel ten. He was actually criticizing the idea of Dorley only
giving one interview to one outlet instead of giving it to the DNC thirteen ten
eight all together asking questions collaboratively. And do you think that, I mean,
I think that's a fair Yeah, I think that. I don't know
how they got it. I don't know how it goes. He goes,
this isn't wham by it because he used to work at Channel thirteen. Yeah,
he's saying like that should should be ABC a feeling, should everybody been
invited to this? I guess, I mean he could have had a round
table. It becomes a circus. It becomes a fucking circus. So I
think you just kind of do do straw pole. I don't know. I
mean, I can understand why you wouldn't, And I also understand why you
would want that if you're in the media again comparison and not fair. Well,
you lost this one. No get better relationships. I mean, I
don't know that the thing. I guess I'm coming. She was pretty direct.
I don't know if anybody else is going to ask any other You told
him for you, she says it. Yeah, I mean, like,
uh, she was a few beeps short of an eminem song. But I
mean like, I don't think there's any questions that Luki didn't ask. No,
did you think of any questions you, Danny? I am exhausted with
this. I'm sure everybody else is. Dude. I wanted to answer back
the questions the voicemail and then there were many, but I only chose one.
But they pretty much were derivative of the same thing. You went easy
on her. Here's why I don't think this is a big deal. It
is not a criminal situation. It is a behavioral situation. It's a manner
situation that somebody I wouldn't want to be seen in public with acting that way.
I would be mortified if I were with them. But this isn't in
any way, and you cannot make the comparison one to the other. It
is not an equal situation. It never will be. And please go back
in your own life and think of the kid at school who got it.
Why because he was honor student captain of the football team. Yes, that's
sort of the way life works, that is, and you would take advantage
of anything you could be honest with yourself. And if you don't have anything
to take advantage with, well then you're a loser. I don't know,
I didn't know. I'm teasing, but sort of all right, we'll take
a moment. What is happening on college campuses or why is it happening on
college campuses? There's a lot of pro Palestinian protesting going on. Some of
it seems to be getting violent, but we are only seeing one camera lens,
you know. And some of the things that are happening, if they're
really happening in the manner that is being presented, I would say, is
out and out racism. There's nothing else you can call it. Kaylee is
a Sunny Courtland student. She's doing an internship in Albany. She has been
part of some of these rallies. She knows people who are down at Columbia
University, and I spoke with her last night and asked her to come on
the podcast to explain why college student are for this, what is their purpose
and do they fully understand what they're asking to be done? And we'll get
into it a little bit from there, but sometimes again trying to take more
of a global look as to why instead of going these are spoiled brats who
don't know what they're doing. Well, let's see, maybe they maybe they
want to comb yesterday. Well maybe they think went viral. We want our
meal plan. Yes I know, yeah, but you've been expelled. Get
that. We want to do what we want our meal plan delivered. We
will be dehydrated. The school's responsibility. But the problem is humanitarian aid.
You're not being held here. You can go get a bottle of water.
Stupid brat. Well see that, right, So that's kind of the paint
the picture that gets painted. But is there a real thought behind this?
We'll find out. I sten to Kaylee next. Right now they look look
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happy rock, there's happy everything with that. Uh, not happy is what's
for a lot of people is what's happening on college campuses. And we're gonna
call Kaylee. She is a twenty year old student I believe at Suny Cortland.
We will find out for sure from Kaylee. She's been very patient.
She called me a little while ago and said, Hey, I see that
some of your podcasts go ninety minutes. How long are we going to be
talking for and go? It's not a lecture. We will make this work
for you at a shorter time. But we're gonna let her talk and we'll
find out a little bit more about Kaylee. Hello, Kaylee, Hi,
Welcome to the podcast. Kaylee. We are on now, and I apologize
for any delays tonight. Kaylee is no. Kaylee is a Sunny Courtland student.
Correct. Yeah, And you're doing an internship in Albany. What is
your internship with the New York Public Interest Research Group. I'm a legislative intern,
a legislative intern. So are you actually have you been down into the
chambers or any law meetings like where there's Yeah, so I work in the
building across the street from the Capital Building. I go there just about daily
and lobby legislators and go to committee meetings and you know, follow these people
around. What do you want to do when you grow up? I want
to go into state politics. I'd like to eventually be a senator an assembly
member, and you know, maybe go from there. But I would like
to stick to New York state politics because I'm really grateful to grew up in
such a like beneficial political climate. Beneficial political climate. Some people would disagree
with you, well for sure, all right, So the reason to have
you on, and you and I had talked about you have a very interesting
perspective on a lot of things, and I think that another time, I'd
love to do a podcast that to have her back with in studio if we
could, that would be fun. Yeah, But Kayleie talk to me about
what we're seeing on college campuses, and I think that, you know,
I believe, and maybe I'm wrong. Some of it doesn't make the students
always look good, like the Columbia student who said that they wanted the meal
plans brought out. And we're just going to sit here and dehydrate ourselves,
and a reporter says, well you're not, you know, we want humanitarian
aid, and they said, well you can get it. You're not being
healthier, someone can go get you water and you can do that. Those
types of things in those statements by the young lady, I don't think helped
the cause. Would that be fair? Yeah, yeah, definitely. So,
but what is talk about? And we're going to let you talk and
then I have lots of questions and lots of things, but talk about what
is for many people in a country that has been support of the Israeli state
for so long, to now see college students in support of Palestine, it's
kind of doing a one eighty for a lot of people. Yeah, so,
you know, what we've seen recently is a lot of you know,
gen z and college age students really just frustrated with the system. You know,
we're going into our third election year with people who you know, as
a generation generally we don't love either candidate, and to have the Democrats,
which have largely been who we expect to represent our perspectives on you know,
things like this, are the people who are continuing to push on this narrative
that the number of you know, Palestinian people who are being victimized versus Israeli
people. It's just painting, you know, a picture that's not based in
reality. And so college students who are you know, spending all of their
free time educating themselves and doing research and especially as a political science student,
learning about the political history of countries other than America. Hang on, Hang
on a second. College students aren't spending all their they're doing keg stands,
and all their time they're doing butt chugs. I was in college. I
know, I'm kidding. I don't know what a bunch of so great about
this moment and this movement on college campuses with the encampment is. We don't
you know, see that sort of college culture as much. When you look
at these protests, you see a lot of students wearing cathias, which are
the scarfs, and there's you know, a rule culturally if you're wearing that,
you shouldn't be drinking, you shouldn't be smoking, and you know,
creates the more pure, safe, appropriate place for students to be, which
really creates more frustration around the idea that people are really trying to make those
students out to be the people doing the wrong. Okay. Uh, A
lot of times when I would see what are they called a mispronounced scars,
right, Whenever I've seen those, they were always associated, honestly with with
terrorism. When I was a kid, That's who you saw taking over planes.
I think when there was the bombing over lockerby Scotland, I think we
saw people in Caffia. I'm just saying like, I think there's there's that.
Uh, I want to and we'll go back to this, but I
want to I want you to continue because so what is what is it that
the students are upset with and what are what goal? What's the end game
for them with the protests? Yeah, so the goal, I guess of
the students that are protesting on campus is to get each of their individual universities
and institutions to divest from the war. And so by divest from the war,
that means having the institution divest from military equipment and weapons and technology companies
that are directly benefiting, you know, the aid that the US is sending
to Israel. And then it also means companies that are providing aids specifically to
IDF. These really defense forces to keep them alive and well well as they
occupy high you know, palest sign and these people comes. Okay, So
the goal is divestment. So divestment. Now, devestment is not an easy
thing. As I was telling you last night, I used to work for
a guy who was in charge of the Harvard Endowment and there were several people
and I don't know what the Harvard Endowment is today, but I can tell
you back then those guys were making like five million dollar profits for themselves on
handling the endowment. It could be a billion dollars. But now I have
no idea. All I know is that it's it's divested. So they would
go in and then they're buying companies and sometimes portfolios, and you're looking at
you know, let's get into oil or let's get into electro, not knowing
maybe exactly where the companies are. So but to pull out of that is
almost is nearly impossible at times, like you'd have to sell off sometimes an
entire portfolio stuff to divest out that. I'm not sure that it's as easy
as some of the students may may think. Right, No, I understand
that, and you know, part of our perspective is coming from looking at
not too long ago we were protesting on a smaller scale, but not I
mean, it was still a pretty big movement being apartheid in South Africa and
trying to ask colleges to divest from that, which a lot of the colleges
that are having protests on campus right now are colleges. Colombia is one of
them that had divested from the South African apartheid. And yet you know,
Nelson Mandela was still considered a war criminal until not too long ago. So
okay, so let let's so the divestment and that the fact that the Israeli
state is kind of right in the middle of the Palestinian country, which I
believe you have hamas running like the West Bank and the Gaza strip, is
more of a or maybe have it wrong, but a government, but I'm
not even sure how strong a government for the Palestinian people. Yeah, so
there really isn't I mean, Palestine is pretty much under complete government control of
Israel, because Israel at this point has, like I said, have occupied
those states and put soldiers on street corners outside of people's homes. So they're
adhering to the rules made by the Israeli government, not to say that that's
the same type of governments what's going on and what they consider to be Israel,
but in the occupied West Bank and then occupied Gaza, they're kind of,
you know, under the jurisdiction of the Israeli government and the idea of
soldiers. What do you say then to people who There's been obviously a number
of protests around the country, and I think the University of Washington kind of
squashed this pretty quickly. I think they had like a hundred people and they
arrested all of them early on because they're like, we're not allowing this to
go on in our campus. And according to the records, and I don't
know how you could fudge this, so I just say that only only twenty
of those arrested were students. Eighty of those were not. Yeah, so
it and just if you know, was that number like specifically students that go
to that campus versus other people who may have done students from other campuses or
everyone else was not a college whatsoever, there were some that were not.
I don't know, I don't know. I just know that twenty were college
students on that campus. Yeah. So, because especially as we're starting new
encampments because it takes so much commitment and so many people to do that.
You know, me personally and other friends of mine that go to these protests,
they're getting reached out to by campuses that aren't the campuses that we go
to, because you know, you need a certain amount of like manpower to
get something like that started. And so we're definitely calling on community members and
people in the community around those colleges also who resonate with the movement to come
help us and support us however they can. Yeah, there's definitely been people
who aren't students at all, so is there so some people. So there's
a lot of theories out there, and there's a lot of concern because there
is talk of violence against Jewish students, to the point where some schools are
saying we can't guarantee your safety if you're of Jewish descent or of Jewish faith,
that you should just go home, And that to me sounds like just
out and out racism if we're not allowing Now. I told you when we
talked, there was a kid who had this Star of David around his neck
and he was being blocked by people in the cadifs with from getting onto the
UCLA campus or USC I don't remember which one it was. But again I
said to you, it's a narrow lens, So I don't know that that's
happening all the time, but that would be the very definition of racism.
And the only thing I would say when I look at that is I go,
boy, I had to block a transgender student from getting into a class,
and we'll have a war on our hands, do you know? You
know what I mean? And you would never like that would be the worst
thing in the world. And is that a big problem in terms of what
you're seeing. Is that becoming a bigger thing where now it's becoming where we're
going to prevent people of Jewish faith who had nothing to do with anything problem,
may have never even been to Israel themselves, just happening to be descendant,
you know what I mean. I haven't been to Ireland, but I
could, I could be a citizen. I'm so Irish, you know what
I mean. Like if all of a sudden people went, well fuck Ireland,
man, you and your Guinness get out. You know, I couldn't
imagine that would be that would be racist, correct, right? No?
So, and I think it's important that we don't like I think people,
especially people who are trying to you know, gain traction in the movement,
we'll try to push down stories like that just because it's obviously not helpful to
us when that happens. But there's a lot of reasons that it happened a
lot of the time. Like I said, you know, I'm someone who
follows the instagram of the individual students that are currently at encampments all over several
campuses. I'm currently or I'm from Syracuse and they just started one there.
You know, these are not violent protesters. These are a lot of the
time students that are there singing, dancing. They have their tents up,
they're blowing bubbles, they're singing songs together. One of my Jewish friends just
went for to stay at the encampment at DCNY and they had Jewish festivities for
Passover there. He got to have a pass Over dinner with people at the
encampment. Like, that's not the sentiment that the majority of these people are
pushing. But another thing that I've seen in these videos is other students coming
in one individual student who will start chanting something that's completely not appropriate and then
you watch them get shut down. But that sort of even if one person
in a crowd of a thousand people is saying something anti Semitic, we still
need to address that because that's still a problem. But I don't I don't
think it's something that's like wide spread across you know, lots of students that
lots of campuses. I think generally it's not the Jewish students that don't feel
safe on campus. It's the Zionist students and the students who believe in Israel's
you know, what some would call ethnic cleansing, and that's you know,
a different thing than being Jewish and identifind with that, okay, But so
that's interesting that you say Zionis and ethnic cles cleansing, would you So there
are those that would say that you are protesting on behalf of a country that
would not allow protests to happen, Right, You're protesting on behalf of a
country that some of the people at the protest would be killed because they're they're
either gay, or transgender or black. And that does that ever play into
anybody's mind a little bit like, well, I don't want to support that,
Well, no, I think that's a genuine perspective. I also think
that as Americans, and I think you know, some people are more prone
to like want to care about some of the American ideals that we have here,
and some of those things are really important. You know. As someone
who's LGBTQ plus, I know that I can't go exist in a Muslim country
and have that be okay. But it's about, you know, spreading the
ability to do that, in the freedom to have that choice. We want
to liberate Palestine to be able to do that, and so pushing for their
freedom, you want their freedom speech, Well, what are we freeing them
from Hamas Palace? I know, right? But Hamas would be the ones
where you couldn't you can't probably, I mean, there's very little Tom can't
do anything. If you're saying, like the Muslim religion is not so much
accepting of like Western ideals, you know, that's like a different, right
cultural thing. So I'm saying the country itself right now, under the rule
that it has is not accepting of those things. You couldn't do what you're
doing in that country at this moment, right, And yeah, I mean,
and so that I just say, like to me, that that's a
little bit of a concern, and I understand what you're saying. The numbers
do seem to shift a lot, like on both sides, I'll hear forty
thousand Palace days were killed, or I'll hear eighty thousand. I don't know,
and I have no way of counting there are there are different numbers.
Could there ever be in your mind a chance to say, maybe we need
to get Palestine a government where everybody could live in peace, because I think
from what I understand about Hamas and maybe I'm completely wrong and uneducated on this,
but I get the impression in that from like the cradle to the grave,
it's the Jews or evil. Yeah, I mean, I don't think
that that's a perspective. Like I said, I have friends that are parts
of you know, groups that are specifically Jewish people for Palestine and people who
are spending every day having their parents tell them that they're a race trader because
they support Palestine over Israel. But you know, it just comes down to
I think people have to believe in a right and a wrong, and I
just think that a lot of us have come to the conclusion. You talk
about the disparities and numbers. That disparity in numbers comes from between thirty and
forty thousand Palestinians have been killed that we know of, but they are digging
up mass grades, so we don't know, and that is a problem.
But we know that it's an ungodly number. We know over thirteen thousand children
have been killed, and there's no way to defend that, right, But
look, this whole thing is an awful situation, and I think you speak
very intelligently on it, and I like that we can have this because I
think sometimes to have a little contrast is good, right. I want to
just points in coast. So when you're saying that, I think that an
argument back would be, yes, when there's a bombing, there's there's people
killed. But what Hamas has done is taking babies and thrown them in the
ovens right in front of their moms. I mean it almost sounds much much
more brutal. I'm not saying that either one. I guess I shouldn't say
one is better than the other, but I go, there's something different about
hitting a button, you know, from miles away, versus taking somebody and
staring the mother in the face and throwing the kid all right, it just
seems like, yes, the reality is you know, and like, yeah,
I appreciate that perspective because the reality is you and I aren't there,
and I don't know, I don't know, we don't we don't know how
bad ones I could be or how bad the other side could be. But
I do strongly, strongly believe that the American Conservatives and the American Liberals,
as as parties, as published people, the people who are speaking up are
pretty much exclusively pro Israel when it comes to our politicians and the people who
represent us and our institutions are coming out saying at school is in support of
Israel, and that frustrates us because you know, we don't. Just because
the institution and the politicians agree with that doesn't mean that we have to let
that label be put onto us because we go to you know whatever college.
So okay, okay, I yeah, I mean there's I understand the sentiment
and stuff. You know, when I look back at college protests over the
years, and probably the biggest ones would be Vietnam, but that was really
to keep amer because involvement out. We're talking about a war that goes back
back to Biblical times, and there are people that truly truly believe, kayleck,
Kaylee, They truly believe that what is happening here is like it's almost
as though homosy. This is just a theory that people have out that maybe
I've heard it, maybe haven't, that they've almost made Israel the bad guy
by getting sympathy for Palestine on college campuses, and that they're saying this is
how Hitler got to power. Now, maybe that's an extreme example or not,
but that is a theory that many people out there are looking and going,
this is how that stuff begins because people are there, and like I
said to you last night, people are burning calories over a war that's gone
on since Biblical times. They don't I don't know that they care that you're
protesting right Oh yeah no, And I mean our goal, the people who
are on college campus is actively protesting right now. Are there because we don't
want our names on those It's not that we can go there and say,
hey, president of Random College in New York State and the war, Yes,
we know that that is a war that has existed in a conflict that
has existed for absolutely forever, and it may go away It started with Adam
and Eve because Adam didn't pick up his socks off the floor, and Eve
started beating the ship out of him with the snake, and then from there
they just went into two different camps. And Genesis three, I have no
idea, go ahead any and I said Genesis three, Oh, I thought
you were going to ask you a question. No, I'm just well,
because I guess what's the endgame of all Well, I think the endgame is
they're trying to get the colleges to to stop divesting money. That's really difficult,
like with pe firms and all these investments. It's just it's almost impossible.
Like my whole thing is this, and I appreciate you coming on here.
My whole thing is I'm not a big fan of protesting because ye at
the end of the day, it really doesn't make that much of a difference
because you could literally protest just about anything. Like I tell people who hate
Columbus day, I'm a third generation American, right, and they hate Christopher
Columbus, And they say, you know, the white man raped the pillage
and took away the Native Americans. LAMB like, okay, fine, but
before the white guys got here, who are the Native Americans killing? Oh,
that's right, each other and then all of a sudden with somebody else
with bigger guns came along on now or the underdog. So now it's okay
to feel bad, right, But at the end of the day, I
don't see any kids in this country or their parents taking their land that they
own, that they work for and giving it to a Native America. Because
if you really wanted to solve that problem, find a Native American and give
them your land. Well, so my point is that it's all bs okay,
no, yeah, So you know people, that's an argument that I
do get is, oh, if you think the Palestinian should have all the
land, then do you want to give up all of our land to the
Native Americans? And I think it comes down to your worldview on you know,
some people's perspective on history, whether it's right or wrong, there's multiple
perspectives on history. Is that the way that countries progress is they have to
get more land and get bigger and get stronger, and sometimes that means colonizing.
But I also think that my generation is very strongly against the idea of
colonization. I do think that it's maybe time we take a look at our
own country before we go, you know, pointing at other ones. But
I definitely think it's just about your world view on is it morally correct for
countries to colonize and take over land and move those people for their convenience.
But I also think, and this isn't a shot at you or anything,
I think you might be generalizing your generation. I think every generation thinks that
history actually like they're the first generation to figure life out, you know what
I'm saying. Wow, So it's it's like, it's it's kind of unfair
because the reason you're here is because the previous generation sacrifice one way or another,
right, and then the generation before that, I mean, thank God
for World War Two. I'll be curious to see if, if you know,
thoughts change in this a little bit, because when you when you look
and read and Hamas is in charge of one side of Palestinian state, and
you go, boy, they seems horrible in a regime that you wouldn't really
want to be in, and one that certainly doesn't support the ideals of I
think most people involved in the protest. And the other argument sometimes is some
of these colleges are private institutions. I think that you could probably argue that
Sunny Courtland and some others would be a public institution, But the private institutions
are the ones where, you know, a lot of times I would always
go if you don't like it, and I'm not saying that. Let's say
you joined a club and all of a sudden, the club decided like,
we don't like people with freckles. Okay, well then I'm not going to
support you because I have freckles, and I'm like, you understand what I'm
saying, So I'm not going to go there. They have the right to
do what they want. So I don't know that this will will change anything.
I don't know how this all works. I think there's people that are
very very scared. I think there's people of Jewish faith and people who practice
that are afraid to send their kids to school. And yet that's why I
wanted to have you on, because I go is that are we seeing a
camera lens of the violence that like the stuff that happened at Columbia? Is
it all? Is it all students from Columbia? Are they being infiltrated by
somewhere? If you're that angry, why not show your face instead of covering
your face. You know, these are all things that seem to kind of
make sense. If you're going to make a stand, make the stand.
But I love to speak on the face covering, Yeah, just because a
big part of that has been students are being mass ascended, being mass arrested.
And you know, we're obviously in an unprecedented time for students too,
are spending their days at school doing that instead of you know, doing school
stuff. But it's still you know, matters to people whether or not there's
a suspension on their record. And so absolutely, I mean to avoid the
recognition, well to avoid Look, you go to a job interview and somebody
nowadays you can pretty much find anything, right, I mean, if you've
got somebody just savvy on the internet. But other students, you know,
that are just sitting there peacefully, aren't the ones that I see covering them?
Were the ones smashing windows and things? And again I always wonder,
and I don't know, because you know, we live in a world where
things can be manipulated. We have AI. Now not that this is AI,
that's not what I'm saying, but we can make it look like somebody
said something that they didn't say, or what were somewhere they really weren't at
So it becomes one of these things. And so when I look at that,
I go, is this an isolated incident of violence? Is this an
isolated incident of keeping a teacher or a student away from going onto campus?
You know? That stuff? To me, right there is just a federal
law you're breaking. That's racism when we don't tolerate that. And you know,
I think now the Senate, was it Danny that's trying to put an
antisement the House? The House? And then it would have to go to
the Senate and it'll never never pat there. But the idea that there's anti
semitism, is it, Like, how legitimate is that if you're here telling
me, hey, I'm a college student and we have you know, if
just because you don't support, we're not going to stop you. And if
you are Jewish and you want to support, you're welcome. So it's not
an anti Semitic thing at all. No, it truly is not about people
of the Jewish faith. I truly haven't come across that with any of the
other protesters that I've met or spoken with. Yeah, all this stuff kind
of confuses me because I stand there and I go, if I were debating
on whether or not I want to get involved in this, I would be
like, I don't know, kind of get laid. I'm kidding. No,
I mean I would be debating, honestly, And I would also have
to say, I'm not sure that I want to stand up and protest for
a country that wouldn't allow me to stand up and protest in that country that
is going to commit horrific acts that will be equal to or that the only
country that is similar to America in terms of democracy or as close to it
as you're going to get in the middle least is Israel. But again,
I'm not I'm trying to say that that makes them wonderful. That's not what
I'm saying. But I go, I don't know that I could put my
my calories behind something with a people that I don't think really appreciate care or
you know, I don't know it's right. So it's good to be young,
Kaylee. You get a lot of time to do that. No,
but it gives you a chance. Hey, Look, it's all part of
the journey, and it's part of the process and having a belief and standing
up for something is important and being able to you know, as you have
come on here, I think you spoke very intelligently about this. I may
not agree with you, but I hear you when I hear your points.
Guys, just one question. I really appreciate you coming on and speak it
so eloquently about this, Like, what do you have personally to lose by
going out there protesting yourself? What do I have salutions? Yeah? Yeah,
it's like, would you do you have anything at risk right now by
going out there? Well, like I said, as someone who wants to
become a legislator someday, I have my whole career to lose. I've just
put my faith out there on social media with my Cathia on ass protests,
and I know that that could cause damage to my career. That could cause
damage to me getting vote someday. Potentially, if I go back to sudw
Cortland after my internships over and protests, it's possible I could get a suspension
or an expulsion. I'm in really good standing at my school, you know,
I talked to the president of my school frequently. I care about my
institutions, but it absolutely could really have an effect on my education and my
career. If you know something were to happen, do your parents get nervous
and all for your and not even like, look a kid, I don't
have to agree with my children in their stuff. I would, but no,
no, but I would worry about their safety. I would truly worry
about their safety. Yeah. I mean, now, when I told my
mom I was going to the first protest, she was definitely nervous and was
like, I don't know if that's a good idea. But the protests that
I've gone to have mainly been marches. I went to the actual Sunny building
where the Sunny Chancellor stays, and a lot of the people who run the
entire Sunny organization and not just one school. But you know, in those
situations that I've been in personally here, in all any of the protests that
we have here, don't you know get, I've never had MYPD called on
me, you know what I mean? Like, yes, I'm not I
plan to go to an encampment and I'm sure that you know it's possible that
I may come into contact with police, and they give us trainings on how
to handle that and try to teach us to do it in the most space
and non violent. Wow, who's funding that? The training? Yeah,
like the training, I mean organizing and training and putting materials together to instruct
me. All that is. There is money, There's somebody's got to be
And I see similar tents on campuses on the West Coast as I do here.
It's almost as is there some kind of underground funding of this in some
way that you're away. I mean, there's definitely there's donation pools. There's
a group known as a General Strike that helps out with people all around the
US and in other countries. They have an Instagram and they, you know,
post constant posts about what's going on. But those organizations will put up
posts with a zoom lenk that say, you know, come in at seven
and we'll teach you about your rights and how to protect yourself if the police
get involved. So yeah, I mean I don't know how much. I
personally don't know the numbers about how much money goes into supporting students. Well,
a lot of it could volunteer. I'm not you know, so it's
hard to quantify. I'm just saying like it sounds more organized than uh,
just hey, let's put up some tents and storm the palace, so to
speak, and tell this asshole to get well. And that's part of the
beauty of the interconnectedness of a bunch of college students that all live in one
state, you know, the Sunni system, the Cunity system. We all
talk to each other, we know each other, we see each other on
social media, so it's it's just a very interconnected group of people. Also,
they people travel for different protests in different parts of New York. I've
that people from all over to do this. So what happens with the finals
and then school's done in like two weeks, I don't know what will happen,
honestly, I don't. I don't know what the purpose at once.
Eventually, once we know there's no staff on campus, there isn't much of
a purpose in being there. Then you just go home. What do we
do it's over? Oh, they just left year. I think protests in
the street will continue. I think protests in public places and parks will continue.
I think that depending on the trajectory of what happens in the next couple
months and as the election's coming up. You know, once the semester starts
up, again, we might have more encampments, more protests happening. I'm
curious to see. You know, a lot of the people pledge they would
stay until the divestment happened, So you know, I am curious to see
once the semester ends, if that's true. Yeah, I would think that.
Yeah. I mean, at some point, go I need a shower,
go yeah. Well, and there you know, they start shutting down
student resources on campus because they're in a state of emergency, so students don't
have food and water and bathrooms to get to on campus, right, right,
all right, Well, it's an interesting perspective and one that I'm not
sure I agree with. I couldn't stand behind a government that that that does
that. I hear you. On the other stuff. You feel like people
have inserted themselves into a land. But it's something that's just been going.
I mean, believe me, the peace in the Middle East has been some
a phrase. Right, you have family feuds and somebody goes, oh,
we have peace in the Middle East. Finally, Uncle Bob's coming for Christmas.
I haven't talked to him in twenty years, you know, I mean,
when we compared to that, I'm just saying, like I'm not sure
that this shit's ever going to go away. And I understand the sentiment.
We don't like people. Note, I get it, I hear it.
I don't want to see people suffer either. I don't. I don't.
I don't like that. But I also don't like a government that's not going
to allow you, Kaylee, to be you. They wouldn't allow you to
be who you are, and to me, that's wrong and I couldn't support
that. And I think that's where I would draw my line and say,
I can't be part of this. Uh. And the divestment is just it's
just not as easy as I think. And I have really no financial education.
Just look at my bank account. Uh, it's just not as easy
knowing people who have done that for a living, handled the Harvard dumb and
so that's all. Yeah, I think that smart kid, Kaylee. Good
luck with everything you do. You certainly speak well and you didn't shy away
from anything. And give your credit for coming on. We agree, you
know, we may disagree on some of these things, but I would say,
uh, at least if this if you were my kid, I go,
well, at least they're thinking about it. Right there, there's thought,
no, I'm serious. Instead of just following the herd you gave answers,
I like it all right, well thank you, well, they all
just want you yes at the end of the day. And that's what I'm
saying. I almost feel like what's in charge of parts of Palestine needs to
be gone. They're they're they're hamas Is is really like a terrorist group here.
So let's find another and let's see if we can find literally the proverbial
piece in the Middle East. I think that most people feel like Palestine,
as you were saying, is really under Israeli control. And that's what you're
saying, shouldn't be Yeah, I mean, look, we've had similar situations.
They tried to make a country called the Yugoslavia. I'm not even sure
if you were alive when they were around. They had a really shitty car
called the Yugo. Was awful, uh though, But yes, that's true.
But you you put, what you took was ethnic groups of people who
could not Serbians, and they just couldn't get along. And so eventually the
globe Damovich was a a wi they talked about person that the country went i
mean went under because of this. And this has been something that luckily in
America, and I guess we had our own versions of it to a certain
degree we haven't had to deal with. And you know what, if part
of your right is an American going protest, just don't put the Palestinian flag
up in America, come on, or any flag, come on, Just
it's America. It's America. Leave it there, even if you don't burn
it. Burn it if you want to, but don't put the other one
up. Does that make sense? You have the right to burn it.
I got it, I got it. I understand the perspective of not wanting
another country's flag. It explain that to me. I don't know if I
get that. Well, it would be like try to put the American flag
up in Palestine and see what up. Well, yeah, That's what I'm
saying is if we're going to go so far as to fly this, then
you better be able to do that over there. And I know you can't,
so that would that would be my thing. And by the way,
we do fly other flags. Did the Canadian flag flies here and we've had
the I agree, but to put it up, to take down the American
flag and put that one up. The only reason you have the right to
protest is because you're on American soil, and I think that that needs to
be America great little bit respect that. That's just again my opinion, and
it's halfway between fact and fiction. So there you go, all right,
all right? Yes, I would love to have you on a little more
often. Yeah. I find you interesting and smart, and you're cool enough
to like actually like to have a discussion with open mind, which is important
people not wanting to have the conversation. Nothing will get done without the conversation
happening. That is not being uncomfortable that I agree with more than anything we
have had. We have said this about race, We have said this about
a lot of things, and we don't because I don't know why. I
don't know why. And then we I think a lot of times there is
what I will call and what many Buddhists would say was a misperception, right,
And so then you hold on to that misperception and you build walls in
your mind where they don't exist, and so we and then we have you
ever done this, Kayley, Have you ever? And maybe you haven't.
You're young, and you see, maybe a little smarter than the rest of
us. Have you ever had an argument in your head with somebody that never
ever really happened. Absolutely, yes, yes, I mean we all do
that, and I think that that's part of the problem is that some of
sometimes that's misperception, that's not really what that person meant. And there's so
much communication now that's through text, which loses so much context in terms of
eighty nine percent of conversation is lost in text. Yeah, and so I
really think that that there's many things. So to hear you say what you're
saying, I I that is awesome and I hope that your entire generation agrees
with you. Well, thank you all right, the pleasure talking to you,
Kaylee. Yeah, great talking to you guys. Thank you so much
for having me on. Bye. There you go. What'd you think today?
I see anything wrong? No, I thought that was a very interesting
conversation. It's an interesting conversation. See somebody, she wasn't a jack.
I think she opened my eyes to some things that like, hey, look
you got to remember Dan that it's some of these situations you see on the
news is like maybe five percent of a situation. Well, what I wanted,
right, I don't want to be one of these people that's out there
going they're lied to you on the news, They're not they're showing you something
that happened. But the news is always had a phrase, what if it
right? So if we see the violence, if we see the sensational stuff,
we're going to go for that. I mean, there's been a lot
of things that have happened right in our area the last couple of days,
but everybody's talked about the one sensational story, right, the DA yelling at
a cop in a garage, you know what I mean. So I think
that that there is that. So that's why I always say, what is
the We're seeing it through this lens, but what are we not seeing?
What is the lens not showing us right? Right? Because we're not there
and I'm not and I don't I and i'll i'll. I like people.
I appreciate people who say I don't know, and I don't know a lot,
but I want to learn and I'm curious and i'd rather learn from someone
who's actively part of something as to why are you actively part of this?
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Black Crows from the album happened this past years and it's time to say farewell.
I can see this at the end of the show. Yeah, now
the Black's car. Oh and it's done to lay your Gods down radio to
the saw. So they're going to play in the final credits of the protest
and the college campuses what it is, But we gotta go pack and room
cleaning up. Let me just say this right now. Now, I don't
know. I mean, getting old is great because you have wisdom, the
idea of being in an encampment, sleeping on a lumpy ground, shitty stuff,
someone squeezing in I no, no, thank you, I know,
I not no it is I think protests of that level are probably people twenty
five and unders. Yes. So I had a teacher in high school named
mister Fox. Mister Fox told this great story. He goes, they used
to protest the Vietnam War in Buffalo at certain points like a Lafayette Square or
whatever. He goes, But we had nothing else to do, so we
go watch the protest. We bring a cooler, we get, we get
our he goes, get we get the like our chairs, and we just
because the protest was so entertaining, so he goes, you'd have more people
watching the protest than actually protesting. So who were there for like a big
party? So when the news came and something happened, Yeah, like fifty
thousand protesters where there was actually maybe like ten thousand of the other forty towns.
We're watching the protest as a joke, like to get entertained by it,
or we're there for other means, like we're gonna pick up some chicks.
Yeah, at the protest, right, I don't know. I just
like I'm not necessarily in favor of what is happening. You have the right,
You have the right to protest in this country, you do, you
know. That's where she said, well, I don't understand why flying another
flag. It's not flying another flag, it's taking on the flag that's allowing
you to protest, versus that you can have all the feelings you want about
America. You can burn the flag, all right, you can't. You
have that right. Don't let me see you. But no, I yeah,
but you couldn't hit somebody. You could assault them, you could yell
at them, maybe ind nobody. If nobody catches me, I could.
I'm just saying that you're breaking a law. They're not right. I'm sorry,
and that's all that. Yes, that's America. That's all I'm saying
is like, it's America, and you have the right to do this thing.
Again. Rights come with an ugly side. I may not. I
don't want to see somebody burn the flag. I don't want to, but
you have the right. You have the right to do that in country because
this is America. Yes, but it's awesome. I think, you know,
I don't know. Maybe there's somebody out there who's like forty five fifty
years old and goes, I can do one last protest. I'm joining these
kids. I give you, I give you eight hours those I give you
eight fucking hours ago. All right, this isn't it for me? You
weed month? Hey on, heme on. No, it's because you think
you just you know, you're you think you still got it, and then
you realize you can't do it anymore. I think I think we're like a
lot of subjects we've talked about this week. One in particular, you know,
people they say they don't want perfection, but ultimately they do want perfection,
and it's not something that's ever over ing. Yeah, we're going we're
never gonna reach it, like because America is not perfect. We're gonna pick
out the flaws in America and just rip them to shreds. My parents,
I love them dearly. Do I agree with everything that they've done in their
lives or toward me or no, but I love them dearly. America is
not perfect, but I love this country. And you're not going to have
a better place to live anywhere else. Can we make it better? Of
course we can. But do we have to like hate the country because of
our flaws, because of our history, because that same history got us here
with the ability to do what you're doing right now on a college campus.
Yeah, that's all I'm saying. I don't I don't know. I look,
I look at all of it sometimes and I just shake my head and
I go, my god, I got so many other things. Yeah,
hey man, you want to go protest a shit? I I gotta get
my hair cut. I mean, I don't know. I'm just thinking like
any other there's so many As you get older, there's so many things that
you start to realize, Like, you got it pretty good. Yes,
I think what you said is it was spot on. It's perfect, It's
it's the way it is. I like, I've noticed it. I don't
have kids, so I noticed that too. Yeah, so I've noticed that.
No, but I've noticed because I don't have kids, I have more
time now besides from work, I have more time to think about certain things.
And because and in the last six months you kind of like alluded,
like kind of alerted me to this, but I started getting angry about certain
things, like boy, you gotta, like, you know, tune it
down with the news and stuff like that. Right, Well, I kind
of did. I think the news is it makes it? Can I think
anybody who has a smart device watch that can monitor your heart rate and stuff,
watch the news. Yeah, and for the half hour watch national news
or local but watch it and then watch your heart rate and then do it
the next day or a couple days later. Don't do it for that same
time period. Read and see what happens. And look, that could happen
with a movie. I don't know. I'm not a doctor. I just
I don't like hearing all the the yucky stuff and I don't you can well,
you're living in a bubble. Okay, maybe I am. I'm aware
of what's happening in the world, but I also like to get myself a
chance to step back and take a bigger look at things. That's all.
That's all. That's all I'm saying. That's why I wanted to have this
girl on. We can all say it's a fucking all'll never talk. No,
let's talk. Let's find out why are they doing this and are they
aware that they have the right to do it? But the very country that
they're doing this on behalf of could give a shit because they're not going to
allow you to do it. And they're not going to allow you or your
friends, or your your gay friend, your transgender friend, your black friend.
They're not going to allow any of that that it's not going to be.
So just be aware, that's all I'm saying. Be aware of fully
what you're doing, and you know it's a choice, and I think it's
great that you're standing up and doing something I do well. The reason why
I brought up the childless things because I have a friend who is my age.
He's childless and wifeless. So these are the texts I get at six
o'clock in the morning from him because he's got nobody to yell at or yell
to. This is an actual text from a friend. Okay, six o'clock
in the morning, esp I must not care about ratings. All the media
heads say the NFL is kig and you should talk NFL. Ninety percent of
the tithe ESBA get Up has been talking seventy six ers Nicks for hour straight
this morning. Literally nobody watches the NBA. I watched it. Did you
know the game last night, according to ESPA get Up, was legendary.
Nobody watches the NBA. This is a text I got six o'clock in the
morning. This is somebody who's got nothing else going on in their lives.
Okay, I agree, this is why people get all worked up about stuff.
This isn't why if people get all worked up see nothing else going on.
It's not even that. If we like drama, human beings like drama,
and if we don't, and if we don't have drama, we create
drama. If we're not, God forbid, we ever lived there fucking live
in fear of a rocket landing. I don't need the drama. You think
you don't give a shit, Well, what he is talking about, That's
what I'm saying is we create the drama. We need drama. We feed
off drama. That's that's what we do. This Sandra Dorley thing is a
great distraction for some people. Gave them a chance to bitch. I couldn't
do that. This is unfair. No, you probably couldn't have. But
you're not the DA and it's not the same, and you're never gonna be
able to compare apples to apples because I guarantee you, at some station in
life, there's somebody else who can't get away with what you could get away
with. You could walk out of a store mistakingly with a pack of gum
in your pocket and turn around and go back and go, oh my god,
I meant to pay for this. And there could be somebody else who
go back go oh my god, but well shit, and they would have
you on the ground. Do you know what I'm saying. I mean that
is somewhat of a reality for some people. So I'm just saying, like,
stop comparing, stop looking side to side, enjoy what you got.
Let's all be fucking happy. Happiness best hap happiness. That should be the
episode title, Happy as Bastards, you know what, Yeah, it would
be. But would that be stealing from the black cropes? Would they get
mad at me for that? I hope No, I don't. I don't
know, don't think. I don't want to deal with Chris Chris Robinson as
well. You know what, Yeah, I don't want to Rich. I
do people's wives getting away sometimes, do they? Yeah? I have no
idea what you're talking about. Oh yeah, really a lot of times I've
been involved in some situations where the wife got involved, stopped. Yeah,
and you really put it in me. They put a cramp on things.
Wow. Yeah, really thought she was the CEO or thought she was a
charge. God, I thought she was you know, had a voice,
had to say yeah. Yeah. It just makes things hard. You just
want to keep it among you know the people. Well you need in the
Middle East. Yeah, that's what you need. It's it's what you need,
you know. Sometimes you know they're inserting themselves right in the middle of
your country. I don't know what's happening right there. It's at a little
crazy. I Yeah, that's that's a difficult situation. Boy. All of
a suddeny're burning a billified flag and talking about they won't even be saying that.
My god, I would done. Yeah, I thought there was something
else we're gonna talk about. Okay, what did you want to talk about?
I could talk about anything, really, so can I. But I
figured we were We've been out a lot. We went on forty minutes with
the student and we talked about Santa Dorley and tomorrow you're gonna do a little
boxing video. Yeah, Kevin's gonna be here right, Yes, Kevin o'llfilm
it. Yeah, sure, going for Dan Morillo, who's not protesting.
I know Moran. We'll see you tomorrow.