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Coors Brewing Company, Golden Colorado. What is kracklacing? 11 00:00:46,679 --> 00:00:52,679 Hardwoodknocks listeners? I am Dampa Valley coming at you without by fantabulousts yet traitorous 12 00:00:52,759 --> 00:00:56,920 co host Adam Frammo, who as of this moment officially no longer works with 13 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,039 me at Bleacher Report. As you can tell, I harbor no ill feelings 14 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:07,640 whatsoever towards him leaving today, though we're gonna be talking some NBA draft with 15 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:12,599 hardwood Knox's favorite draft guru, Adam Spinella. He is the Dickinson College assistant 16 00:01:12,599 --> 00:01:18,879 men's basketball coach. He also contributes to Celtics Blog, and he does most 17 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:23,040 of his work at the Box end. One follow them on Twitter at the 18 00:01:23,159 --> 00:01:29,760 box and one that's spelled out O n E underscore the box and one underscore. 19 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:34,359 He also has a YouTube channel with many followers where he's publishing draft content 20 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,519 scouting reports all the freaking time. YouTube dot com co search Adam Spinella, 21 00:01:38,719 --> 00:01:44,400 SPI n E LA. He will come right up subscribe watch those videos. 22 00:01:44,599 --> 00:01:49,120 He's gonna be taking us through some NBA draft consequences. Now, I guess 23 00:01:49,159 --> 00:01:52,519 the way to put it. I know basically zero about the draft. I 24 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,400 mentioned that at the top, I have a good feel for two of the 25 00:01:55,439 --> 00:02:00,000 players, most one of which is only because of him. So he takes 26 00:02:00,159 --> 00:02:02,519 someone who is dumb ignorant to this draft class. For the most part, 27 00:02:02,519 --> 00:02:07,480 aside from knowing the names and the top prospects, through what to expect, 28 00:02:07,599 --> 00:02:09,919 we go through the top five guys, we look at how the draft could 29 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:15,280 unfold. After that, we look at some of his sleepers. After that, 30 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,599 we go into trying to figure out what's wrong with the Boston Celtics with 31 00:02:19,719 --> 00:02:23,599 obviously because that's our brand on this podcast, providing a concrete conclusion as to 32 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,800 what for them to do. But as we recorded this, they're currently in 33 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,759 play in territory in the Eastern Conference, even though they're working off pretty impressive 34 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:35,719 but also very topsy turvy victory over the New York Knicks. This was a 35 00:02:35,719 --> 00:02:38,360 blast, as always, follow Adam on Twitter at Spinella fourteen. 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Welcome back to the Hardwe Knox podcast. 50 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,240 I just before I yelled Spins, I was talking like I was going to 51 00:03:46,319 --> 00:03:50,360 do my intro with you on here, but I always prerecord my intros when 52 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,000 I have guests that they don't have to listen to this fiel. So you 53 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,080 got to listen to me in real time, bring up all the info I 54 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,520 wanted, and I'm not going to use it with you because I'm going to 55 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,520 pre record it afterwards. Once you don't, we're talking about how are you 56 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,479 doing. I'm doing great, Dan, Thanks so much for having me back 57 00:04:04,479 --> 00:04:08,759 on the pod. It's always great to be here, and I know today 58 00:04:09,159 --> 00:04:12,960 talking a little bit about the NBA Draft, it's an exciting time because you 59 00:04:13,039 --> 00:04:17,839 know, college season is done and it finally feels like there's a little bit 60 00:04:17,879 --> 00:04:23,240 of a bow on what's been a really strange college season and pre draft process 61 00:04:23,319 --> 00:04:26,639 for these guys, so we can finally talk about them a little bit in 62 00:04:26,759 --> 00:04:30,399 terms of the sample size being complete, and I'm excited for that. Yes, 63 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,680 And as a preface for listeners, this is like Spins doing he does 64 00:04:33,759 --> 00:04:36,680 most of the heavy lifting all the time, He's doing all of it this 65 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,839 time. I told him beforehand the two prospects. I know really anything about 66 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,839 Arcade Cunningham because people only talk about They talk about him NonStop. And then 67 00:04:44,879 --> 00:04:46,439 I read an in depth piece he wrote on Jared Butler, So I feel 68 00:04:46,439 --> 00:04:49,120 comfortable with saying that Jared Butler is going to be one of the greatest players 69 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:53,040 of all time, and that's just an opinion. I feel informed enough to 70 00:04:53,079 --> 00:04:55,759 give. One of the things I didn't want to hit on before we get 71 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:00,959 to players, is this pre draft process now. I assume it's going to 72 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,839 get closer to normal than it was last season, where I had talked with 73 00:05:04,199 --> 00:05:09,600 a couple of people sort of involved with the process that it was just difficult 74 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:14,079 with the logistics of not having those the same number, the same breath, 75 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,959 the same ability to have those in person workouts. And I'm assuming one that 76 00:05:17,959 --> 00:05:20,959 those will be closer to normal this year, but also too, how much 77 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,920 do you sort of even read in to those. You know, like, 78 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:30,439 what type of impression can a prospect actually leave in those type of a settings. 79 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,839 It's a great question. I've always been one to believe that a pre 80 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:39,800 draft workout typically can only hurt you in your evaluation of a prospect. It 81 00:05:39,879 --> 00:05:43,120 might be able to confirm what you thought of somebody that you weren't able to 82 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:48,439 see on the film. College coaches are concerned with one thing first and foremost, 83 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,480 and that's winning games. So they have to be able to make every 84 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:56,480 single puzzle piece on their roster fit together. Sometimes and we've seen this. 85 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:00,959 I'll use the Kentucky and John Calipari example, where he has so many lead 86 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,879 guards and really good scores that somebody has to play a little bit more of 87 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:08,360 a niche role and doesn't get to showcase every single skill that they have, 88 00:06:09,199 --> 00:06:14,560 which is where Tyler Hero falls to fourteen or Emmanuel Quickly in the bottom end 89 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,560 of the first round of the New York Knicks. Like those guys, when 90 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,160 you get them in a workout setting, might be able to show a little 91 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:23,480 bit more pop than they did on film. And you know what you were 92 00:06:23,519 --> 00:06:27,079 able to see watching games of theirs, But other than those circumstances. To 93 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,560 me, I think all it serves to do in the pre draft workout is 94 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,079 get somebody really overhyped about something that is a small data point on a really, 95 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:39,399 really a wide spectrum of things. It's just one other data point to 96 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:43,439 add to the whole picture. And you know, there are some prospects out 97 00:06:43,439 --> 00:06:47,279 there this year who had a little bit of an underwhelming season in comparison to 98 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,399 where the expectations were for them coming out of high school or what they thought 99 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:56,720 they would be in college this past year. I think the predraft workout is 100 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,720 important for those guys because you're looking at the flashes of potential and saying, 101 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,319 is this real where we write about this guy a year ago and he just 102 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:11,399 didn't perform well in his circumstance, or is he really that far away from 103 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:15,160 becoming who we thought he would be a year ago. So it's a really 104 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:18,439 convoluted way of saying it's a little bit overrated the pre draft workout process, 105 00:07:18,519 --> 00:07:23,759 But there are enough players out there that that will matter for that it's going 106 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,720 to be a good thing to have it back. Is there an element of 107 00:07:26,759 --> 00:07:31,000 that to the March Madness Tournament itself? Where I would struggle to get even 108 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,519 knowing nothing about them. I would struggle to read good or bad in the 109 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:39,600 performances from kid coming to him or jail and subs based on how they perform 110 00:07:39,639 --> 00:07:42,480 in such a tiny sample. I know it's higher stakes, which matters, 111 00:07:42,759 --> 00:07:46,240 but isn't that body of work that precedes the March Madness tournament more important? 112 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:51,800 And maybe it's more so for less defined prospects where they don't have a specific 113 00:07:51,959 --> 00:07:56,560 range that they can do more to make or break their case during that tiny 114 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:01,160 sample that ultimately is March Madness. To me, marsh Madness is the ultimate, 115 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:07,360 you know, late riser type of paradise. You can only help your 116 00:08:07,399 --> 00:08:11,399 stock during that time if you're somebody that's outside the kind of top thirty five 117 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,839 or forty. A few years ago, that was Malachi Richardson at Syracuse. 118 00:08:16,319 --> 00:08:20,279 Now people knew who he was and thought he was an okay prospect, but 119 00:08:20,319 --> 00:08:22,800 he just exploded and Syracuse went to the final four, and then all of 120 00:08:22,879 --> 00:08:26,439 a sudden he was a first round pick. A couple of years later. 121 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,360 He's probably not a guy that you're looking at and saying a smart pick taking 122 00:08:30,439 --> 00:08:35,279 him early, But you know, Johnny Jusang of UCLA is right now having 123 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:41,279 a similar type of rise. Maybe I'm a little bit too. I don't 124 00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:43,799 know if practical is the right word for this stuff, but I'm one hundred 125 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:50,279 percent with you that the overall sample of work that you have through twenty five 126 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:54,279 thirty thirty five games is much more indicative of who you are as a prospect 127 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,919 than what you do for a two weekend sample in March. One fact about 128 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,120 a Kai Richardson, Adam the other Adam who hosts the podcast with me, 129 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,759 we have a text thread with one of our other friends that's called Malakai Richardson. 130 00:09:05,799 --> 00:09:09,879 I don't remember why. Something must have happened with him that we were 131 00:09:09,919 --> 00:09:11,360 talking about, but it's been that way for like two years at this point. 132 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:18,720 So his legacy lives on after his performance with Syracuse. Let's so let's 133 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:24,639 start with Kay Cunningham here. The I think the most maybe it's a cliche 134 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,480 at this point or the best way to put it. The most popular comparison 135 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:31,320 is I've seen for him has been what if Ben Simmons could shoot? And 136 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,360 that does two things for me. Immediately, It's going to pique your attention, 137 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,679 and two, I'm like all right, are we setting him up for 138 00:09:35,799 --> 00:09:41,639 failure? And so what are is he? And again my ignorant showing three 139 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:43,320 year, is he just the number one pick? No matter who has it, 140 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,480 He's just done enough. There's a he's a cut above the let's say 141 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,759 the other three or four Canadas, it might be there. And just too 142 00:09:48,799 --> 00:09:54,919 what are your overall impressions insights into his game? So I'll set the table 143 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:56,759 a little bit for you, Dan, with with this class right now, 144 00:09:56,799 --> 00:10:03,519 there are five names who probably would in any other year belong in contention for 145 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,759 the top overall pick, a pretty clear top tier in this draft, and 146 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,039 most guys that you would look at any of the last two or three years 147 00:10:11,039 --> 00:10:15,120 and say this guy should go number one. Kid Cunningham is a half step 148 00:10:15,159 --> 00:10:18,679 better right now than anybody else in that area. You know, you mentioned 149 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:24,039 the Ben Simmons type of comparison. To me, Simmons is a little bit 150 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:28,000 more of a live body athlete. He really pops in terms of his dunking 151 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,799 ability, how he plays in space, and just his fluidity overall. Kate 152 00:10:31,919 --> 00:10:37,360 Cunningham's a little bit more grounded and scaled than that. I think the comparison 153 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,559 for me would be like a hybrid of Luca don Chich and Grant Hill. 154 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,519 So someone who's gonna be better in one on one situations than Ben Simmons, 155 00:10:45,639 --> 00:10:48,320 right, A little bit better, yeah, because he's a he's a really 156 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,000 polished scorer. The knock on Cunningham coming into his college season was that he 157 00:10:52,039 --> 00:10:56,240 wasn't a great enough shooter. People were really wondering to see, you know, 158 00:10:56,399 --> 00:10:58,960 is he going to be able to hit shots when teams go under screen 159 00:11:00,039 --> 00:11:03,960 means or play off with him in isolation situations? And because Oklahoma State, 160 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:07,200 the team that he played on this year, didn't have a lot of great 161 00:11:07,279 --> 00:11:11,320 talent or great shooters outside of him, how would he react to the floor 162 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:16,159 just collapsing on him? And he winded up shooting forty percent from three this 163 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:22,320 year, So he blew expectations out of the water in that regard. And 164 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,120 again the amount of polish that he has on his game. When you're not 165 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:31,000 a live body athlete like a Ben Simmons, but you're able to be a 166 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:37,480 fantastic passer, you're an absolutely unbelievable isolation scorer and playmaker to be able to 167 00:11:37,519 --> 00:11:43,840 do that as a not Lebron James like superstar athlete, shows the amount of 168 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,960 skill that he has for somebody his age. To me, if anybody who 169 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,679 wouldn't have him at number one is simply overthinking it at this point, because 170 00:11:52,039 --> 00:11:58,720 he carried a pretty poor Oklahoma State roster to the NCAA Tournament and really finished 171 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:03,120 the season on a strong note. So he's that guy where you're drafting him 172 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:05,720 where last year it was, Yes, it felt like there's a consensus top 173 00:12:05,759 --> 00:12:09,240 three, but you weren't sure if any of them were franchise altering and at 174 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:11,440 least looks like LaMelo Ball is that guy right now. Anthony Edwards might be 175 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:16,080 trending in that direction, but with Kay cutting him, it's zooming in on 176 00:12:16,159 --> 00:12:20,519 him. He is that franchise, that fortune's turning type of talent very much 177 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:26,000 so. And you know, I think Luca don Chich was somebody that a 178 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:31,159 lot of people looked at as the most skilled player in his draft in a 179 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,159 lot of ways, but wasn't this wire to wire beginning of the season to 180 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,440 the end of the season consensus top guy. He's ended up being that, 181 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:43,000 And that's where that's where Kaid separates himself. He didn't have this late surge 182 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,679 to get there. He was the clubhouse leader, you know, coming into 183 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,960 the season, and he only played better than expectations were were set for him. 184 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,279 So I have no hesitation in saying he's a clear cut number one in 185 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,799 my book? Is there a clear cut number two in your book? And 186 00:12:58,799 --> 00:13:01,399 I'm assuming when you're talking about that, I know the top four. I'm 187 00:13:01,399 --> 00:13:03,399 not even sure if he's referring to with the top five, but like I 188 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,159 know, Evan Mobley, Jalen Suggs, and Jalen Green will be involved with 189 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,840 the in the number two consideration, I agree, and I don't have a 190 00:13:11,919 --> 00:13:16,600 clear cut winner out of those three. They're all very different types of players 191 00:13:16,639 --> 00:13:22,039 and prospects. Mobley probably the most unique because he's a big you know, 192 00:13:22,039 --> 00:13:24,559 he's seven feet tall seven four wingspan. But of the three, he's the 193 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:30,039 least likely to impact the game in a dominating way offensively. That's just not 194 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,919 who he is. And typically when you're looking at top overall picks or top 195 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:39,279 two or three guys, it's rare to see someone who isn't an offensive alpha 196 00:13:39,879 --> 00:13:43,639 try to get that that spot. You know, Mobley is, from my 197 00:13:43,759 --> 00:13:48,879 vantage point, the most polished defender that we've seen as a big man come 198 00:13:48,919 --> 00:13:52,720 through the pre draft process since maybe Anthony Davis. Oh wow, you know 199 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:58,200 this very different type of player again, Davis super athletic. I think Mobley 200 00:13:58,279 --> 00:14:01,840 is a little bit more length and angles understanding. But the modern NBA big 201 00:14:01,879 --> 00:14:05,879 has to do so many different things right now. You have to be a 202 00:14:05,919 --> 00:14:11,080 great rim protector, a great pick and roll defender, able to switch a 203 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,120 little bit onto guards at times, and offensively be able to either stretch the 204 00:14:15,159 --> 00:14:18,399 floor to three or be a solid playmaker in that middle third of the court. 205 00:14:20,279 --> 00:14:22,799 That's a lot of times where offenses are run through these days, and 206 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,720 delay actions and things like that. So Mobley checks every single one of those 207 00:14:26,759 --> 00:14:31,159 boxes where the amount of skill, the amount of polish that he has sets 208 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,559 him apart from not just any other big in this class, but even a 209 00:14:33,639 --> 00:14:37,399 Sugs are agreed like Mobiley is so much more of a finished product right now 210 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,960 that it's hard to pass that up. And I'm very much in the camp 211 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,679 I'm not even trying to single out. I remain very high on DeAndre Ayton, 212 00:14:46,399 --> 00:14:50,720 I think higher than suns Twitter at this point. I think I've actually 213 00:14:50,799 --> 00:14:52,799 been more impressed with what I've seen from James Wiseman because of how much I 214 00:14:52,799 --> 00:14:56,440 throw out watching a rookie season than I thought I was going to be. 215 00:14:56,639 --> 00:15:00,279 I'm just so reticent to use a top three pick on a big man who 216 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,360 isn't Zion Williamson. Who isn't you know? You mentioned Anthony Davis at this 217 00:15:03,399 --> 00:15:07,360 point, given how the NBA as trended. So what you're saying, though, 218 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,320 is is that Mobile checks enough of those boxes where I think, even 219 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,320 with James Wiseman, and this might have been a symptom of how everyone viewed 220 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,039 the draft class last year, there was the question of does he check enough 221 00:15:16,039 --> 00:15:18,559 of those boxes to be taken so high? But with Mobley, that's just 222 00:15:18,639 --> 00:15:24,480 not an issue being a big man, even against a relative to the context 223 00:15:24,519 --> 00:15:28,120 of today's NBA and how it's played and how building blocks kew. He's someone 224 00:15:28,159 --> 00:15:31,840 that's worth gambling on. There he is, and he could be like if 225 00:15:31,879 --> 00:15:35,759 you're asking me, we're on that right now. And I reserve all judgment 226 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,200 to change this between now and July. I have Mobley fourth set, by 227 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:43,639 the way, I just had it in November and now it's July. But 228 00:15:43,759 --> 00:15:46,720 anyway, please carry on. Yeah, I you know I have Suggs and 229 00:15:46,759 --> 00:15:50,639 Green slightly above him right now for a lot of those same reasons. It's 230 00:15:50,679 --> 00:15:54,639 not to deny the impact that a guy that mobile can have on the basketball 231 00:15:54,679 --> 00:16:00,159 court, but more so that the tantalizing upside offensively of guys like sugg and 232 00:16:00,279 --> 00:16:03,320 Green is something that Mobile is just not going to be able to replicate offensively. 233 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:08,240 He's a really good third maybe fourth piece, facilitates can knock down some 234 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:14,879 open shots. But you know, I think most teams that are in that 235 00:16:15,039 --> 00:16:18,320 top tier, top three or four picks, are looking for somebody that's going 236 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,960 to be an offensive game changer. That's where I give Suggs and Green kind 237 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,399 of the benefit of the doubt. Right now. Is Jalen Suggs. I'm 238 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,159 immediately drawn toward just because I've seen more of him by virtue of I paid 239 00:16:30,159 --> 00:16:33,720 attention to the you know, to the end of the tournament, and I 240 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,080 have not watched a ton of G League. What have you seen from from 241 00:16:37,159 --> 00:16:41,559 Jalen Suggs or what? He's a winner? Yeah, okay, he he's 242 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,120 you have to be at this point, and he came there. He was 243 00:16:45,159 --> 00:16:49,960 a really really high class football player. He's a great quarterback in high school 244 00:16:51,039 --> 00:16:53,360 and could have gone to any number of Division one schools and been the starting 245 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,519 quarterback as a freshman there. But basketball was was his his path and his 246 00:16:57,639 --> 00:17:03,799 choice. You know a lot of times that it factor, that thing you 247 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,680 don't really know how to describe, but you know it when you see it. 248 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,000 That's what Jalen Suggs has. That's where you know it's no surprise that 249 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:15,480 he's the one that hits the half court shot to win the game for fregn 250 00:17:15,559 --> 00:17:19,559 Zaga over UCLA because the big moment just seems to find a guy like him 251 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:25,920 and that IT factor. I'm not trying to compare him to a Michael Jordan, 252 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,559 a Kobe Bryant, but he's got that swag that or just the big 253 00:17:29,599 --> 00:17:33,240 moment finds him. And I don't really know how to evaluate that or put 254 00:17:33,279 --> 00:17:37,799 it in any different type of traits or terms other than just that it factor. 255 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,119 He has a little bit of ways to go with his shooting consistency. 256 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,359 He's a terrific on ball defender. He's got decent size at six four, 257 00:17:45,759 --> 00:17:52,640 incredibly underrated pick and roll playmaker, and very very good in the open floor. 258 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,160 So he just makes positive plays happen when he's out there. I think 259 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:00,680 there's a lot of room for him to be a three level square as he 260 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,359 continues to refine his jump shot and his pull up range from three. But 261 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,599 at this point he's an elite finisher, a really really good on ball defender, 262 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:17,720 and the probably the top competitor in this class. I feel like with 263 00:18:17,839 --> 00:18:21,960 shooting, it's too often dismissed where it's like, well, if he becomes 264 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:23,759 a more consistent shooter, he'll be so good. And shooting is such a 265 00:18:23,799 --> 00:18:26,319 huge part of today's NBA that I feel like we can't just frame it as 266 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,720 you know, once Ben Simmons has and this is a cliche itself, and 267 00:18:30,759 --> 00:18:33,359 once Ben Simmons has more range, he's going to be an MVP candidate. 268 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:34,839 It just doesn't work like that. Did he sort of show enough? Because 269 00:18:34,839 --> 00:18:38,160 even looking at his numbers really quickly, seventy six percent from the foulone or 270 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,599 whatever, that's probably encouraging. Almost thirty four percent from three, so that's 271 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,720 not bad. Forty two percent on two point jump shots. When you're watching 272 00:18:45,799 --> 00:18:48,039 him, do you see someone who's gonna end up being an above average off 273 00:18:48,039 --> 00:18:52,559 the dribble shooter at the NBA level. I think he will be. At 274 00:18:52,599 --> 00:18:56,039 this point, he's more streaky than pure, like he'll have some games where 275 00:18:56,079 --> 00:19:00,759 he's oz three oz four O five from three and then a couple more where 276 00:19:00,799 --> 00:19:03,960 he's four or six, four or seven. You know, you've got to 277 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,920 bring it every night at the NBA level. And with Sugs, you know, 278 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:15,279 there's nothing glaring in terms of his form, his technique, his shot 279 00:19:15,319 --> 00:19:18,720 selection is great. There's no one issue that you would pinpoint and say, 280 00:19:18,759 --> 00:19:22,279 if he only fixed this, he'll be there. I think he's going to 281 00:19:22,319 --> 00:19:25,880 get to that point. And you know, maybe this is a little bit 282 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:30,200 of my background having worked in high school before, but guys who are multi 283 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:34,240 sport athletes at that level, once they finally dedicate themselves to their craft, 284 00:19:34,319 --> 00:19:38,039 they tend to continue to grow in ways that the guys who've been just playing 285 00:19:38,039 --> 00:19:42,519 basketball for the last four or five six years don't necessarily have that upside. 286 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,000 I'm willing to bet on a guy like Suggs as a result of that. 287 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:52,519 With jarn green lyon him is I feel like what's been labeled as his biggest 288 00:19:52,559 --> 00:19:56,119 weakness again across from what I've seen just on Twitter and reading, is that 289 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,720 his propensity for taking difficult shots and how lilliant is on them. Could that 290 00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:04,799 also be construed as a strength though, because he's hitting them in a G 291 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:10,720 league where he's gone up against NBA first round picks and maybe more athletic wings. 292 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,720 Well, I'm not saying that talent is necessarily better by far and away 293 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:17,880 than college, but to see him hit those shots in the G League against 294 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:23,599 you know, maybe certain better defenders, does that actually help him it better? 295 00:20:25,559 --> 00:20:27,599 You know, I kind of agree with you, like the talent is 296 00:20:27,599 --> 00:20:30,920 is a little bit better that he faced in the G league bubble. It's 297 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:36,240 glorified college All Star games every single night against grown as men who've been working 298 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,960 on their bodies for many more years. That guys can't just physically or athletically 299 00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:45,200 overpower, you know, Green is and I say this with all due respect 300 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,160 to Kaid Cunningham, Jalen Green is the highest ceiling prospect in this draft class 301 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:53,920 because of that ISO scoring ability, that that you know, incredible tough shot 302 00:20:55,000 --> 00:21:00,200 making that he's already demonstrated. He's a solid competent on ball defender and not 303 00:21:00,279 --> 00:21:03,400 a terrible help defender either. So there's a ton of upside to believe in 304 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:08,640 there with Green. But you know, whether you view that shot making as 305 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:15,559 a strength or a potential minus like Jalen Green has the ability to win you 306 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,079 a game just based on how he scores it. He can keep you in 307 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,720 games, he can he can shoot you and kind of completely take over. 308 00:21:22,759 --> 00:21:26,480 He can also shoot you out of a game, you know. And and 309 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,519 that's where I think the surroundings are going to be really important for him. 310 00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:36,480 As opposed to a guy like Cunningham or Suggs who really elevate anyone that's around 311 00:21:36,559 --> 00:21:40,960 him, Mobley who's more of a complimentary piece on offense and just anchors everything 312 00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:45,359 on d the Green is the one guy on this list who not just the 313 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,720 players that he's with, but the environment, the level of coaching and how 314 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,839 hard those guys will be on him with shot selection and refining his game is 315 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,160 really important. You know, you are the one who brought up his one 316 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,359 on one creation. If you ask me, the best trait that he has 317 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,599 is is finished ability at the rim. He is not just an athletic above 318 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,039 the rim type of finisher, but he adjusts and contorts his bodies through traffic 319 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:11,039 and through you know, rim protectors and guys that are trying to challenge shots 320 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,599 and still makes them at a really really high clip, Like his level of 321 00:22:15,599 --> 00:22:19,400 body control is insane. But if he views himself as more of a perimeter 322 00:22:19,519 --> 00:22:23,000 scorer and a guy who just relies on his jump shot every single time, 323 00:22:23,519 --> 00:22:27,519 to me, he's mitigating his best trade. So it's going to be more 324 00:22:27,559 --> 00:22:33,839 so about the environment and the realization that he has of being a well rounded 325 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,640 and a polished score off ball at the rim from three than it is just 326 00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:45,240 relying on this really tantalizing three point ability and self creation to say he has 327 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,279 a chance to be a generational type of score, So let's take a risk 328 00:22:48,319 --> 00:22:52,119 on him, Like it really does depend on where he ends up. And 329 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:53,720 so I guess that is that it's looking at. You know, he didn't 330 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,720 get to the free throw line at Ton, and he was playing a bunch 331 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,400 in Imagy League. That's there is that tendency then for his game to just 332 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,160 bail out, stall out whatever, but before he gets to the rim. 333 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,119 Unfortunately, so right now, and again we're talking about you know, nineteen 334 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,640 year olds. I don't think I knew anything about how to play basketball when 335 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,559 I was nineteen, and unfortunately for me, my career ended when I was 336 00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:18,759 eighteen. So that should tell you something. But look, I'm thirty two 337 00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:22,359 and still know nothing about basketball. So there you go. He has again 338 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:27,319 the highest ceiling in this draft class with his combination of athleticism and shot making, 339 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,799 and he can be a really good on ball defender. But it is 340 00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:34,880 a little bit of pick your poison where you can he elevate your team. 341 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,400 He can with his scoring ability, but he can also shoot you out of 342 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:44,480 it. And depends on what the franchise it's picking second or third or fourth 343 00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:48,039 is really looking for. But to me those are the clear top four and 344 00:23:48,039 --> 00:23:52,240 then Jonathan Comingo would be number five. That kind of has an outside shot 345 00:23:52,319 --> 00:23:56,519 of leaping one of those other three guys to get into the top four. 346 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,319 So what are can you give me this? Well, actually, my last 347 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,440 question on Jalen Green was does he have another level as a table setter or 348 00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:07,759 is this someone who is going to fall? You know, maybe you see 349 00:24:07,839 --> 00:24:11,160 him as time goes on. Make the Jalen Brown type playmaking leap or the 350 00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:15,799 Klyi Leonard where if you have him run enough pick and rolls independent of other 351 00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:18,119 point guards, the assist numbers will rack up. But he's not necessarily and 352 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,160 I'm not really ready to say this about Tatum, and I didn't mention him, 353 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:22,960 so I shouldn't have even brought his name to this. I think he 354 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,839 still has that extra year there. But is he someone who could maybe follow 355 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,599 a different trajectory or is he still going to be very much in the He's 356 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,200 just primarily a score and he's going to do some things by virtue of having 357 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,000 the ball in his hands, but he's not going to necessarily pass guys open 358 00:24:36,079 --> 00:24:40,000 or elevate guys with his passing. I think that's more so what it is 359 00:24:40,039 --> 00:24:41,400 with him, at least from what I've seen right now. You know, 360 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:47,519 the G League Ignite schedule was not very robust. I mean, we're still 361 00:24:47,559 --> 00:24:51,359 talking about guys who played fifteen games like that's what we're basing a lot of 362 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:56,519 this on. I think of him a little bit more in the Carmelo Anthony 363 00:24:56,559 --> 00:25:00,160 Gilbert Arena's role, where just because they have the ball in their hands so 364 00:25:00,279 --> 00:25:04,160 much and he's that talented, he's going to get three or four assists the 365 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:10,119 game, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's making exquisite reads or making life 366 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:11,920 easier for his other guys. You know, point guard is as much a 367 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:17,720 mentality as it is a position. And that's where as a table setter, 368 00:25:17,799 --> 00:25:22,200 as a creator, if you're always thinking shot first, it's just really hard 369 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,160 to do that. And you know, guys like Kawhi or Jalen Brown or 370 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,160 Jason Tatum have made small improvements too, I think play within the framework of 371 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,519 their team and learn to create, but they're not always thinking, here's how 372 00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:38,720 I can put someone else in a position to succeed. What is the skinny 373 00:25:38,839 --> 00:25:48,200 on Jonathan Cominga. Cominga is completely raw upside with a six foot eight height, 374 00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:52,240 six to eleven wingspan, like his ability to score one on one in 375 00:25:52,240 --> 00:26:00,319 the mid range reminds some people of Kawhi Leonard. He's another really really strong 376 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,319 competitor. You have the fortune of knowing a few contacts that have been around 377 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,039 him over the last few years in high school and all say the same thing. 378 00:26:08,759 --> 00:26:14,440 Really quick learner, really hard worker, and wants to win. And 379 00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:18,279 those three traits when you look at just the amount of upside that he has 380 00:26:18,839 --> 00:26:22,359 athletically speaking, how good of a one on one scorer he can be, 381 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,079 you know, they lead me to believe that he's going to find a way 382 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,359 to be successful. He is the youngest guy in the lottery or lottery prospect 383 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,440 and probably the youngest guy kind of overall getting first round looks right now. 384 00:26:36,599 --> 00:26:41,400 There's so much bloom left on the rose for him. I think the Kawhi 385 00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:47,599 Leonard comparisons are a little bit strong, you know, they're they're based upon 386 00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:52,240 the similar trajectory that Kawai had in terms of turning himself into a really good 387 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,839 shooter in the league. Kaminga is not very consistent from three right now, 388 00:26:56,319 --> 00:27:03,359 and the worry with taking him above Immobilia Greens or a sugs is what does 389 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,759 he really do off ball? Like? I think he's an underrated passer and 390 00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:11,720 playmaker. I think he's a functional shooter, but he's not a high volume, 391 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,240 high percentage type of guy where you know, if you take him in 392 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,160 this top five and he never ends up being a high quality shot creator for 393 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,960 himself because teams just go under screens or leave him with a little bit of 394 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,160 room on the perimeter, he essentially becomes Jeremy Grant, which isn't a terrible 395 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:32,240 thing, but you know, are you taking that over somebody that any other 396 00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:37,200 year would be in the conversation for the top overall pick that ends up being 397 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,440 a little bit of a stretch, so a ton of upside there. Really 398 00:27:40,519 --> 00:27:42,720 really good kid. But the shooting is a swing skill for him, no 399 00:27:42,759 --> 00:27:48,519 doubt. So if he is there, if he were to be taken with 400 00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:51,440 one of the first four picks, which would mean that he usurped, we'll 401 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,599 say, obviously not Kay Cunningham, one of the other three. Would that 402 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,599 be based on a team fit decision or if you were right now because we're 403 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,920 not going to we don't know the draft order. Basically, is there anyone 404 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:06,839 that you could talk or can you talk to yourself into kaminga over any one 405 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,279 of those other three prospects after a Kake Cummingham Right now, to me, 406 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:18,799 the only way that COMINGA vaults into the top four is if Cunningham and Mobley 407 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,839 go one two and the team that's on the clock at three or four does 408 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,400 not have a need for a lead guard and thinks that the presence of a 409 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:33,759 Sugs or a Jalen Green would take away from what they currently have on their 410 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,440 roster at that position. You know, trying to think of teams off the 411 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:42,160 top of my head that might fall into that category. You know, perhaps 412 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:47,119 that might be Minnesota, Yeah, yeah, Cleveland a little bit and saying 413 00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:52,920 like, you know, if we put Jalen Green and Anthony Edwards together, 414 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:59,119 is that going to be a pretty toxic concoction of to score first guys? 415 00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:03,240 Or you know, Cleveland saying we really want to believe in in Garland and 416 00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:08,279 Sexton as the back court of the future and keep investing in them, cominga 417 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,039 might vault somebody else there. So that would be the only real case for 418 00:29:12,079 --> 00:29:17,559 me. But again, we've all seen some strange stuff happened through the pre 419 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,680 draft process where you know, who knows what agent is going to watch a 420 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:26,640 private workout for dark Omilichich and all of a sudden vault him up the board. 421 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,240 So you know, stranger things have happened. But to me right now, 422 00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:32,519 he's he's a pretty firmly locked in at number five kind of guy, 423 00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:36,559 is there? I think, and I say that it feels like this is 424 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,240 unique. Maybe it's not unique, but when you look at teams that could 425 00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:42,720 find themselves just in the top four or five this year where it's you know, 426 00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:45,720 just Toronto, keep like, are they tanking? It doesn't seem like 427 00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:49,200 they are, or they naturally tanking. You have Minnesota, even if they 428 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,279 keep their pick, they want to be good they invested. You know, 429 00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:55,559 they have the Angel Russell, they have Kat you get you have two max 430 00:29:55,599 --> 00:29:59,039 salaries there, Anthony Edwards too. Or if they don't have their pick, 431 00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:02,039 the Warriors could be right there in the top five. Warriors could be in 432 00:30:02,079 --> 00:30:06,880 the top five with their own pick. Of these players, Let's say, 433 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,200 of the non Kate Cunninghams, which one can help out most of a team 434 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:18,599 that's going to have immediate postseason aspirations next season, It's either Sugs or Mobley. 435 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:23,759 Mobley. You know, I'm gonna go with Sugs. And the only 436 00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:27,759 reason for that is, you know, you mentioned rookie season's kind of being 437 00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:32,880 a wash a little bit a lot of times with big men in particular. 438 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,119 I remember listening to an interview with DeAndre Ayton on the wojpod where he talked 439 00:30:37,119 --> 00:30:41,160 about how much he really grew in the middle of year two because he learned 440 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,000 what it takes to communicate bringing on a nightly basis and how much is dependent 441 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,799 on you as the anchor of the defense. So if I'm looking for an 442 00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:56,240 immediate impact guy outside of Kate, it's probably Sugs. You know, he 443 00:30:56,279 --> 00:31:00,359 does need to get the shooting consistency down where when he's more streaky and pure, 444 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,480 and he's a couple great nights and a couple where he's absent from three. 445 00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:08,599 That is a little bit of a concern, but I would I would 446 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:14,240 lean towards him making the biggest immediate impact in that group when you move beyond 447 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,279 the top five. I guess there's two layers of this question. Do you 448 00:31:17,319 --> 00:31:19,119 think we see a lot of one? Is there that huge of a drop 449 00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:22,720 off where everyone seems to say this is a five player draft? And when 450 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,920 people say that, by the way, because they said this past draft class 451 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,599 was a three player draft, I think they're talking about who do you think 452 00:31:27,599 --> 00:31:30,480 are going to be mega stars? So that's not necessarily an insult to say 453 00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:33,640 that. We need to phrase that better. And also, I still might 454 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,359 take Tyris Alibert. And second, overall, when all this is said and 455 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,319 done, I'm still not over the Knicks not selecting him, by the way, 456 00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:42,839 I'm also not over the Sun's not selecting him for some reason anyway. 457 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,559 Is that drop off? Is that being overstated or is it accurate? And 458 00:31:47,599 --> 00:31:51,079 then because of that drop off, do you think that that's sort of the 459 00:31:51,079 --> 00:31:52,839 there's always the noise before the draft. I think we've for the most part 460 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,680 learned to see through smoke screens. But is that sort of the area of 461 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:57,440 the draft where you look up and be like, okay, well, then 462 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,839 maybe this is where some movement could and looking at teams that might trade down. 463 00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:09,359 I think from probably seven to twelve there's a decent chance of having some 464 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:14,640 movement. You know that. To me, the ledge that you get after 465 00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:20,759 five and the major drop off there isn't a crazy talent drop. It's more 466 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,480 so the like Jonathan Comingo would probably go first overall a year ago, he 467 00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:30,440 goes over Anthony Edwards. That's where I think that five person draft conversation really 468 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:36,599 comes in. I really like, I have two guys at six and seven 469 00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:38,839 on my board who I really like and think are a half step better than 470 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:44,640 anybody else. And then it comes down to a lot of really unique decisions 471 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:49,920 where this draft, more so than any in recent memory, has sophomores and 472 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,599 juniors who have climbed their way into lottery discussions. I think we've thought about 473 00:32:53,599 --> 00:33:00,519 this as a young man's game in the top fourteen or fifteen picks and always 474 00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:02,359 being yeah, he was a freshman last year. If we can get in 475 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,960 on his developmental curve. Early, we develop him into who he is, 476 00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:09,559 and when he signs his next contract, he's only twenty two or twenty three 477 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:15,720 years old and we reap the benefits of him in his athletic prime. That's 478 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,680 going to be a really unique discourse in this draft class outside of the top 479 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,680 six or seven. Is are you taking you know, a name like Azire 480 00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:29,480 Williams and Jalen Johnson Greg Brown from Texas three guys who had really really flawed 481 00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:35,359 freshman years declared for the draft but have such high, tantalizing upside. Or 482 00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:42,079 do you take a Jared Butler from Baylor, you know, Corey Kisspert from 483 00:33:42,079 --> 00:33:45,400 Gonzaga, These guys who are upper classman Franz Wagner from from Michigan, the 484 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:51,720 guys who had multiple years in college and aren't necessarily the sexy, really high 485 00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:54,720 upside slam dunk if you hit on them type of picks, but are really 486 00:33:54,880 --> 00:34:00,279 solid players and pros that you can can get a lot out of and will 487 00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:04,880 not make you look stupid if you draft. So that's to me where the 488 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,559 legend the discourse comes in. But I do have a pretty firm six and 489 00:34:07,639 --> 00:34:12,320 seven on my board right now. Scotty Barnes from Florida State and Usman and 490 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,480 Garuba from Real Madrid. I like that you took you answered my next question. 491 00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:23,000 Can you give me the lowdown on Scotty Barnes. Scotty Barnes is a, 492 00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:28,079 for lack of a better term, a six foot nine point guard. 493 00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:34,519 He's a lead creator at Florida State. And to understand, you know Barnes 494 00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:37,239 and what he showed this past year, you have to have a little bit 495 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:42,199 of an understanding of what Leonard Hamilton does at Florida State. They play twelve 496 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,679 guys every single night and rely on their depth. So if you look at 497 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,159 Scotty barnes raw numbers, none of it's going to impress to you. But 498 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:55,719 because they switch everything on defense, they rely on length and athleticism. They 499 00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,880 were one of the worst shooting teams in college basketball all this past year, 500 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:07,360 and that lack of shooting ability really shrinks the floor for a six foot nine 501 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,440 point guard a little bit. So barnes stist numbers weren't really great. You 502 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,400 know, as I've watched him more and I just finished the scattering report on 503 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,239 him earlier this week, Like there are flashes when you get him in space 504 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:22,559 in transition, you're able to, you know, clear outside of the floor 505 00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:25,960 for him, where he looks a little bit Yannest, like just with his 506 00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:30,000 size and length, his burst, like he's one of those guys who he 507 00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:34,400 just palms the ball and lays it up above the rim, and you're thinking 508 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,400 yourself, like, how do you stop this guy when he gets ahead of 509 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,159 steamed towards basket. He's still got to learn how to play a decent amount, 510 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:45,159 and he is not a very good shooter. He looks really really stiff 511 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:50,039 off the bounce. He's fairly inconsistent as a catch and shoot threat. So 512 00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:54,480 there's I don't want to invite the Yannis comparison, even though I set myself 513 00:35:54,559 --> 00:35:59,519 up for that. I don't want to invite that because you know, Yannis 514 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:05,039 is such a good rebounder and an impactful defender that early in his career he 515 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,119 more than made up for the shooting flaws and then work himself into a shooter 516 00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:12,519 that propelled him to an MVP level. I don't know if I have the 517 00:36:12,559 --> 00:36:15,320 same faith in Barnes. He struggles to rebound a little bit outside his area. 518 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,320 He's not as pure of a scorer and as a little bit more of 519 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,880 a creator, but the upside is there to reach a really really high level 520 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:30,119 because he's again a lead guard skills with a seven two wingspan. He seems 521 00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:34,480 to be in just mock drafts that I've read and perused, and I didn't 522 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,079 give this much thought, he seemed to be consensus top seven. And I 523 00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:40,400 guess, as you already mentioned, that's probably a big part because he's a 524 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,199 freshman, that's probably just what went into that decision. Well, not the 525 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,679 only thing obviously, but that probably ensures helps ensure that he's just not slipping 526 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:51,400 past number seven. I'd agree with that. Yeah, And who was the 527 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,800 other player you mentioned I already forgot, Yeah, Osman Garuba at Real Madrid. 528 00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:00,480 The closest thing that will find to a Draymond Green defensively in the pre 529 00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:06,360 draft process. You know, six foot eight seven two wingspan, but incredibly 530 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,840 impactful defender. Every single game you can probably cut up two to two and 531 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:14,360 a half minutes of defensive highlights that he finds. He can switch, he 532 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,400 can protect the room. He's a really really good shop blocker that just makes 533 00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:21,880 winning plays and instinctual plays. He's got a long way to go on offense, 534 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,480 he's flirted with the thirty percent mark from three on incredibly low volume, 535 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,400 and he shows some ability to be a really good passer, whether it's out 536 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,039 of the short role in the middle third of the floor. He makes good 537 00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:37,239 decisions out of post ups when they run them for him. At Real Madrid, 538 00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:40,599 and again he plays against professional competition. He's not doing this in the 539 00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:46,440 West Coast Conference against Santa Clara and Loyola, like he is dominating grown men 540 00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:52,400 and professionals. Just the weirdest thing athletically. You watch him defensively and how 541 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:58,000 he switches and guards people in space, and just how he's able to time 542 00:37:58,039 --> 00:38:00,920 every single one of his jumps to meet guys at the him he looks like 543 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,719 a sensational athlete. You look at him on offense and he's so robotic and 544 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,800 moves almost like the tin man, where you just want to increase his joints. 545 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,639 Like it's the strangest thing to me, and I can't really figure out 546 00:38:12,679 --> 00:38:15,480 what to do with it, because you know, if he just moved a 547 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,000 little bit more naturally and you felt comfortable in saying that he could attack a 548 00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:23,599 poor close out and make a decision as a true four you would find ways 549 00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:27,400 to say he's going to be a really, really, really impactful player on 550 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,119 both ends. But I don't know where his offensive fit and role is right 551 00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:35,519 now. He's a tiny bit undersized at the five, A tiny bit it's 552 00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:39,199 probably his best role. But I have enough belief in him making such a 553 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:45,840 sensational defensive impact that I'll stamp that one as saying he's going to stay in 554 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,920 the top seven throughout this pre daft process for me, Like last year, 555 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,679 Devin Vassell was my guy on the defensive end, Guruba, is that this 556 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,320 year? Do you think you mentioned the lack of size and then sort of 557 00:38:55,360 --> 00:39:00,519 just the ambiguous offensive skill set. Do you think that keeps him out of 558 00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:04,400 the lottery or is he someone that you expect to go inside the lottery. 559 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,199 I hope that NBA team's kind of smarten up and get him to a lottery 560 00:39:09,199 --> 00:39:14,679 guy, because he tends to be fairly polarizing in that regard. Like there's 561 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:20,159 some people that are doing mock drafts work and in the scouted process that think 562 00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:22,400 of him as a true top seven or top eight guy. There are others 563 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:27,559 who have him in the twenty to thirty five range and just completely don't see 564 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,960 Howay's offensive role is going to translate at all, and are scared of taking 565 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:36,840 him, Like, you know, there's a little bit of I think people 566 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,079 are too afraid of drafting somebody that doesn't have a reliable jump shot right now. 567 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,480 You know, especially if you're a big man, you can find other 568 00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:47,519 ways to impact the game where you don't need a jump shot. And what 569 00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:51,960 I've seen from him in every other facet of his game is that it's good 570 00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:54,840 enough that he's he's going to figure it out. I think I might know 571 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:59,519 the answer to this question. But is there a or do you have a 572 00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:02,639 sleeping giant in this draft class where it's doesn't have to be necessarily the same 573 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,320 range, but outside the top ten where it's like, you know, we're 574 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,400 going to look back like a Tyrese Haliburton. I'm saying, you know, 575 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:13,159 I would have taken him second and probably no lower than third. Is there 576 00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:16,119 that type of player with that potential here to you in this draft class? 577 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,880 Yeah? I feel like you're teeing me up from my guy, Jared Butler. 578 00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:24,119 He's officially our guy because mock drafts had started sending him to the Knicks, 579 00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:30,800 so speaking into existence, there we go. Butler was a guy last 580 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,920 year who flirted with coming into the NBA draft, and I had him in 581 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,639 the twenty to twenty five range. I liked his versatility as kind of that 582 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:43,320 combo guard that can score a little bit off the balance. Was an underrated 583 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,360 pick and roll playmaker and a really good shooter, especially off movement. Like 584 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,880 I thought, a team like Philadelphia who could play him where he would guard 585 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,760 ones and then have a front court creator next to him, like Ben Simmons, 586 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,480 was really going to be able to get the most out of him. 587 00:40:57,559 --> 00:41:00,639 He came back to Baylor this year and not just proved that he's a winner 588 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:05,400 by cutting down the nets in the National Championship game and shooting over forty percent 589 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,400 from three to become a first team All American, but he greatly improved his 590 00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:14,440 isolation shot making, where now he is hitting one on one stepbacks, he 591 00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:20,519 is drilling shots whenever anybody gives him a semblance of space from deep, and 592 00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:24,559 that tantalizing shot making ability has vaulted him up to kind of borderline top ten 593 00:41:25,159 --> 00:41:29,599 on my board. I still think there are enough teams out there who have 594 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:37,079 unique rosters where you know their primary creator or Handler is a front court guy. 595 00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:42,920 You know, Boston has Tatum and Brown, now you know Denver with 596 00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:46,239 with Jokis, Like, there's so many situations where you can now get away 597 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:51,599 with playing somebody that's not a pure creator at the point and feel like you're 598 00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:54,960 maximizing who you are as a team. Butler fits any number of those teams 599 00:41:55,079 --> 00:42:00,159 so well that I just have a really difficult time in saying he's not be 600 00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:02,000 successful no matter where he ends up, because if you play with the ball 601 00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:07,400 in his hands, he's now proving he can drill shots and isolations. What 602 00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:12,199 is kind of is that What I guess is have people now caught onto the 603 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,599 fact then that he's hitting those types of shots because he's still in a lot 604 00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:21,320 of the mocks or big boards definitively behind the other Baylor guard Mitchell is there, 605 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:27,760 like it should there be that much separation between them. I am always 606 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,719 hesitant to put Mitchell that high because I'm not sure what his offensive role is. 607 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,920 You know, he's probably the best on ball defender for a guard in 608 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,079 this draft, and maybe the best I've seen in college basketball in the last 609 00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:45,519 few years. Like he has Patrick Beverley written all over him. He's a 610 00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:51,440 little bit more elite when it comes to his change of speeds offensively than Patrick 611 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,000 Beverley was. But I don't think of Mitchell as a great creator for himself 612 00:42:55,079 --> 00:43:00,320 or for others. His advantage at Baylor was getting to the rim against guys. 613 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,559 I don't know if that's going to be the same advantage that he has 614 00:43:02,639 --> 00:43:07,360 in the NBA. So for me, it's pretty clear cut that Butler's ahead 615 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,960 of him. I think, you know, we talked about Malachi Richardson a 616 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,119 little bit earlier, like Mitchell is the one who popped a little bit more 617 00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:16,039 through the NCAA tournament because you turn it on, you watch him play, 618 00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:22,000 and he's just eating other guards alive, how good he is defensively. And 619 00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:24,519 now we're getting a little carried away and saying he should be top ten, 620 00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:28,239 he should be lottery, all these things, Like at the end of the 621 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,360 day, his offensive role is kind of as a glorified Patrick Beverley. That's 622 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,760 not to say that that type of player can't be taken in the lottery, 623 00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:42,679 but that's also almost the best case scenario in my book. So I think 624 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,719 Butler's head and shoulders ahead of Mitchell right now, where does he fall on 625 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:51,480 your current big board? I have him at twenty four and you have Butler 626 00:43:51,519 --> 00:43:55,920 at you say ten, Butler's at eleven right now? Is there that type 627 00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:00,599 of fine margin between the guys, let's say, outside the top seven where 628 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,480 Butler could act. I think a lot of spots. I've seen him at 629 00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:08,039 number twenty one. I've seen him like before. That is is it possible 630 00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:13,159 for him to go inside the lottery or is there not that type of swing 631 00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:15,960 potential in this draft class outside the top seven? Well, he's the He's 632 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:20,159 the guy that I talked about along with Corey Kisspert. You know, Butler 633 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:25,840 played three years at Baylor. Typically you see guys who are multi year college 634 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:31,199 players steered clear of in the lottery, at least if there's enough tantalizing talent 635 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:36,280 out there that teams want to draft younger. I don't know if that's the 636 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,119 case this year, just because there are so many question marks around those guys 637 00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:45,440 where the top tier freshman at least coming out of high school did not perform 638 00:44:45,519 --> 00:44:50,679 up to standards kind of across the board. Zaire Williams at Stanford had a 639 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:55,000 pretty disappointing season. Jalen Johnson was really poor at Duke and didn't even end 640 00:44:55,079 --> 00:45:01,159 up finishing the season out there. Greg Brown at Texas was set historic lows 641 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:06,679 for assists per forty minutes. Like, there are glaring red flags with a 642 00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,039 lot of these guys where you would think a guy like Butler or Corey Kissbert 643 00:45:10,039 --> 00:45:15,559 Atkinzagam might be able to sneak their way into the lottery. You know, 644 00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:22,000 I don't think. I don't think Kissbert does, but I think Butler does. 645 00:45:23,039 --> 00:45:28,639 Is there sort of wrapping up the draft talk, which prospects in your 646 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:35,239 estimation are just not receiving enough attention right now that you're highest on those are 647 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,360 And I'll fore warn you and everybody these are probably gonna be then all of 648 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,440 a sudden, I'm just gonna monopolize them as cannibalize them as my guys after 649 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,719 this podcast, because that's what happened last year. You started talking about Devin 650 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,800 Vassel and I was just like, that's him. That's the guy I'm gonna 651 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:52,599 become obsessed with before the draft. I'll throw out a couple names and just 652 00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:55,760 glance over each of them really really quickly. First, Jeremiah Robinson Earl from 653 00:45:55,840 --> 00:46:02,159 Villanova six foot nine with really good defensive ability. I think of a career 654 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,920 Jared Dudley type of guy. Where you know, if you if someone came 655 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,599 to you today when you're drafting a team and said, you could have a 656 00:46:10,199 --> 00:46:14,679 guy that has the career of a Jared Dudley, where would you take him? 657 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,440 I mean, what would your thought be to that dare where? Like, 658 00:46:17,559 --> 00:46:21,360 what team or what spot in the draft? What spot in the draft 659 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,000 would you take a guy when you said, I know his career is going 660 00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:30,400 to be that of a Jared Dudley, Like right outside maybe just inside the 661 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,400 lottery feels like a good spot. And I have Jeremiah Robinson Earl at the 662 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:38,239 fifteen spot because I believe he's too solid in so many ways defensively, he 663 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:45,079 is a capable shooter, pretty good pass or really fundamentally sound. I've always 664 00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:49,559 said I love Villanova guys and think that it's role player university. So if 665 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,400 that's you know, if that's what you're you're looking for outside the lottery and 666 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,760 you get to the point where you say, we just need a good role 667 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:59,239 player, we don't want to strike out on this pick. I think Robinson 668 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:04,239 Earl has to have first round discussions. Another name I'm really high on is 669 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,960 Ron Harper Junior from Rutgers. He's all over pre draft boards. I think 670 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:12,360 I'm probably the highest on him. I have him having a first round grade. 671 00:47:12,639 --> 00:47:15,360 But he's like a six foot six athlete who could probably guard two through 672 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,840 four at the next level. He doesn't play like his dad. He's a 673 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,800 human bowling ball, Like he's physically so strong that he can just barrel and 674 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:29,199 run guys over. Speaking of human bowling balls, my guy is ray Kuon 675 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,199 Gray, another Florida state prospect. I don't know if you've seen him, 676 00:47:32,199 --> 00:47:38,679 but imagine if you gave Zion Williams in a flat tire. That's ray Kuon 677 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:44,599 Gray a little bit. He is a really strong, thick six foot eight, 678 00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:50,679 but he has no burst to him where just the type of body and 679 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,719 frame and physicality that he plays with is really really hard to stop. But 680 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,960 he doesn't have the athletic upsider pop. I think that he's going to be 681 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,840 someone that sneaks up on people through this pre draft process. And then the 682 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:06,360 last one that I'll leave you with here is Trey Murphy from Virginia. Talk 683 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,639 about role player you with Villanova. I mean, when was the last time 684 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:14,000 of Virginia player came into the NBA and disappointed. You know, Malcolm Brogd 685 00:48:14,039 --> 00:48:19,320 and Joe Harris, all these guys outperform their expectations. And Murphy, because 686 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,400 he plays in the slowdown offense, doesn't have the pure numbers that pop, 687 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,920 but he can be an elite shooter at the next level. He's six foot 688 00:48:27,079 --> 00:48:30,880 nine, really really good defender. You know, those solid three and D 689 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:36,199 type prospects are never going to go out of style, and so many NBA 690 00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,199 teams are hurting for quality, impact wings right now. I would feel comfortable 691 00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,960 in saying that Murphy is going to be a first round guy and sneak into 692 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,639 those conversations. I am very interested. Those are all names that I'm going 693 00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,119 to now keep an eye on and research a little bit more. But I 694 00:48:51,159 --> 00:48:55,039 am very interested just to see the lottery for this draft. There feels like 695 00:48:55,079 --> 00:49:00,679 there's just more stakes there when you're looking at the Golden State versus Minnesota commitments. 696 00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:04,079 Even with Golden State or does their pick Land you have Houston, does 697 00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:06,639 it keep its own pick? You can okay say swap it? Where does 698 00:49:06,679 --> 00:49:08,719 okay see Land are they gonna have? They could feasibly wind up with two 699 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:13,679 top five picks technically, so there's gonna and there's just like I mentioned before, 700 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,599 it seems like there are teams on more immediate timelines that could find themselves 701 00:49:16,639 --> 00:49:21,800 in that situation. The Pelicans still at their team that I can't figure out, 702 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,719 like where do they land? What can they do? So I am 703 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,159 going to be fascinated to see what the draft order ends up being, which 704 00:49:27,159 --> 00:49:29,679 is probably the next time I'm gonna bother you. Bother the hell out of 705 00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,280 you to try and get some insight onto prospects and where they might best fit. 706 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,559 You did say that you would help me equivocate on the Boston Celtics. 707 00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:40,920 Are you ready to shift gears to what I guess has been Do we call 708 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,199 them one of the most disappointing teams or are they just one of the more 709 00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:49,280 confusing teams? Or they just both? They're definitely both. I don't think 710 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,239 it's a stretch to say that they are a major disappointment right now. And 711 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:58,119 as a lifelong Celtics fan, somebody who covers the team at Celtics Blog, 712 00:49:58,639 --> 00:50:01,599 it's been frustrating to try to figure out and diagnose, you know, what 713 00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:07,679 is wrong, what needs to change, and why the team's not living up 714 00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:12,920 to expectations. Yeah, there's to their credit, they use part most of 715 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,360 the Gordon Hayward trade exception to get Evan Fournie. I thought that was a 716 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,960 home run deal for them, even though he wasn't Obviously isn't offer the smoothest 717 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:22,800 start in Boston. The Tights tax dump is still sort of weird. But 718 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:27,119 even after making that move, which is very clearly the four name moves win 719 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,159 now, but then you go do something like Tights where it's like, well, 720 00:50:29,199 --> 00:50:31,000 now you're just you're trying to worry about a repeater tax clock that hasn't 721 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:35,880 even started yet for you. I mentioned this to you in our direct message. 722 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,320 They feel like a team that hasn't committed to a direction when you look 723 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:43,760 at them on paper, I think they have a ton of rookie contracts. 724 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,960 Let's not even count Jason Tatums. They have like six or seven rookie contracts 725 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:50,639 that aren't Jason Tatum. And how you I don't know that you can be 726 00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,000 a contender like that when you need a Peyton Pritcher to play these huge minutes. 727 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:59,000 And I know that you know you had markets smart injuries earlier, but 728 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,800 even just like moving a rotation big like Tis to where now you're more dependent 729 00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:06,480 on Robert Williams, who doesn't match up that great with the burlier fives even 730 00:51:06,519 --> 00:51:08,400 though he's really good, and then not you need Tristan Thompson just play better 731 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:13,159 overall. I think he's working his way back from COVID too. I just 732 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,320 I don't know it's they have time because Tatum and Brown are so young. 733 00:51:16,519 --> 00:51:22,519 But I don't feel like this half baked direction suits. How good Jason Tatum 734 00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:25,960 and Jalen Brown not are this season, but how good we knew they were 735 00:51:27,159 --> 00:51:31,000 leading into this season already. I totally agree with that. You know, 736 00:51:31,079 --> 00:51:37,480 the point I keep coming back to with the really young roster of role players 737 00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:43,440 that they have is twofold one. It's really really challenging as a young guy 738 00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,320 to figure out what your role is in the league for the first time, 739 00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,679 because everybody is used to be in the best on their college team, the 740 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,199 elite high school guy. When you go from you know, like aaron Nie 741 00:51:55,239 --> 00:52:00,119 Smith at Vanderbilt, having every single set play run for you every single game 742 00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:06,679 that you play, to being a DNP coaches decision and having to figure out 743 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,119 how to get Tatum and Brown shots and use your shooting just to space the 744 00:52:09,159 --> 00:52:14,679 floor around them. That's an adjustment. It doesn't matter who you are. 745 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,239 It takes time to learn how to be your role player there in the NBA, 746 00:52:19,679 --> 00:52:23,440 and the lack of veterans who are great leaders who have gone through that 747 00:52:23,559 --> 00:52:28,079 process and can show the ropes to those young guys in the locker room is 748 00:52:28,119 --> 00:52:31,599 what's becoming evident. Because as Brad Stevens shuffles things around based on injuries, 749 00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:37,400 based on matchups, based on wanting to give certain guys different chances, there 750 00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:40,079 isn't that one veteran presence in the locker room to be able to pull them 751 00:52:40,119 --> 00:52:44,039 aside and say, hey, I went through this, here's how you need 752 00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:49,480 to handle it. So that absence is pretty clear to me from watching the 753 00:52:49,559 --> 00:52:53,440 team. The other thing is Tatum and Brown have their hands full and figuring 754 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:59,920 out how to be the guy finally, and their role can't be to look 755 00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:05,760 out for the younger guys and try to wear that hat, that advising mentorship 756 00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,400 for lack of a better term, veteran leader. They need to handle the 757 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,239 you know, the challenges that come with being the top of the scattering report 758 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:20,840 every single night to deal with Kemba Walker being in and out of a lineup, 759 00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:23,920 to deal with someone coming to you and say and hey, we're running 760 00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:29,719 an offense that's built around you getting touches. Can you always take the right 761 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,360 shot and always know when to create for somebody else? Because we don't have 762 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:38,400 outside of YouTube and Kemba a ton of self creators. That's a hard role 763 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:43,760 to learn how to fill. And the difficulty in all of this is that 764 00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:49,199 they haven't done either of these with much spirit in life, Like, they 765 00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,960 don't play with a ton of energy to make up for what they don't know 766 00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:55,159 or what they're trying to feel their way through. And when you're not polished 767 00:53:55,199 --> 00:53:59,079 and when you're trying to figure things out on a fly, energy and effort 768 00:53:59,159 --> 00:54:00,960 is always going to be the tie breaker. It's why they've struggled a little 769 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:06,320 bit defensively. It's why they've been really inconsistent and dropped games early in the 770 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,559 season to Detroit and Washington when they probably shouldn't have. Those are things where 771 00:54:09,639 --> 00:54:13,559 when you have pros in the locker room, or you have a team that 772 00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:17,159 knows who its identity is and knows what to expect every time you walk out 773 00:54:17,199 --> 00:54:21,719 on the court, those things right themselves, and they just don't have it 774 00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,800 right now. Yeah, there's they feel like a team that not the most 775 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:30,199 likely team, but where a lead just really isn't safe where or if they 776 00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,360 have a six to eight point lead, it's not something that they're actually going 777 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:37,639 to build off. And I am wondering overall how much of their struggles can 778 00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:42,400 be traced back to Kemba in the sense that he missed his time with the 779 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,760 knee injury, and then when you look at he's still been in and out 780 00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,440 of the lineup. As you already mentioned, when you look at Kemba Walkers 781 00:54:46,519 --> 00:54:52,000 like games by game, they are all over the place his performances, and 782 00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:54,679 so there's a level I don't want to say of comfort, but it's if 783 00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:59,079 Kemba Walker gets right or is more consistent. Leading into the playoffs, the 784 00:54:59,079 --> 00:55:02,199 Celtics might have the best wildcard potential where oh, they're a lot better than 785 00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:07,119 we thought during the regular season, but is that even enough and are they 786 00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:08,280 at the point where they can even I don't want to say count on it, 787 00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:15,079 but hope that that happens. You know. Tristan Thompson said something really 788 00:55:15,159 --> 00:55:20,000 interesting the other night where back on his times in Cleveland, they were less 789 00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:23,599 concerned about winning every single game in the regular season and more about just getting 790 00:55:23,639 --> 00:55:27,400 to the point where they would all be healthy for the playoffs and playing at 791 00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,880 their peak. It does seem like that's a little bit of what Danny Age 792 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:35,800 and Brad Stevens are trying to construct here in Boston by still limiting KEMBA on 793 00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,760 back to backs and making sure that they give young guys certain opportunities so that 794 00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:44,320 they would round out their rotation and not over extend everybody else. But and 795 00:55:44,519 --> 00:55:47,280 look at the top of the East right now, Brooklyn, Philadelphia, Milwaukee 796 00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:52,599 are such a clear cut top three that if you want to make one of 797 00:55:52,639 --> 00:55:54,559 those surprise runs in the postseason, you almost have to get up to the 798 00:55:54,599 --> 00:55:59,760 four or five seed. That's the clearest path to getting out of the first 799 00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:04,239 round right now. And without Daniel Tye, you know, Philadelphia is going 800 00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,320 to be a really tough matchup for Boston because MBAD is, like you said, 801 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,719 going to be that burly post that eats Robert Williams alive a little bit. 802 00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:15,960 Brooklyn and Milwaukee have the ability to spread Philadelphia out in a way that 803 00:56:16,199 --> 00:56:23,000 Boston really doesn't right now, So you know it's going to be as much 804 00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:29,679 about the draw for Boston as anything else. And the best way to avoid, 805 00:56:30,679 --> 00:56:34,199 you know, needing it to be matchup dependent is to take matters into 806 00:56:34,199 --> 00:56:37,159 your own hands and win enough games to the point where you're high enough see 807 00:56:37,199 --> 00:56:39,239 that you're not going to play the Sixers in the first round or you know 808 00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:44,960 that you're avoiding that matchup as best you can. So I think that there's 809 00:56:45,039 --> 00:56:49,840 a little bit of that two sides of the coin of do you want to 810 00:56:50,039 --> 00:56:52,320 play your best ball in the postseason then save yourself until then. Absolutely, 811 00:56:53,039 --> 00:56:57,800 but there needs to be a little bit more urgency to continue to rise up 812 00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:02,039 because they're closer to missing the playoffs right right now than they are of getting 813 00:57:02,119 --> 00:57:06,320 up to the four seed. Yeah, I know the Eastern Conference standings are 814 00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,119 just separated by just a mere matter of a couple of games. But it's 815 00:57:08,159 --> 00:57:12,360 just not looking at it like, oh, we didn't expect Boston to be 816 00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,559 neck and neck with the Knicks this year where there's a seventh seed and the 817 00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:20,400 Knicks or the eighth seed that's playing territory as you already mentioned, is there 818 00:57:21,519 --> 00:57:22,639 One of the things that I come back to on their offense, which is 819 00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:25,440 I don't think it's not in the side before they struggled the most. But 820 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:30,360 do you believe that they have the skill sets when you're looking at Tatum and 821 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:35,079 Brown necessary to put consistent pressure on the rim to draw more free throwers. 822 00:57:35,079 --> 00:57:37,400 They did a good job of that against the Knicks, a team that kind 823 00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,840 of invites attempt that doesn't invite, but they just allow more attempts at the 824 00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,440 rim than a lot of other teams. But is that I feel like this 825 00:57:44,599 --> 00:57:45,960 is a reoccurring theme with the Celtics, where it was a reccurring theme with 826 00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,760 Jason Tatum for so long. He's gotten a little bit better at it. 827 00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,280 Is it the playmaking that they're shouldering. Does that take them out of that 828 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,719 mindset a little bit potentially? I'm just very curious to whether you think that 829 00:57:55,840 --> 00:58:00,320 something that can be remedied from within. And so unless you don't even think 830 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,559 that it's a problem, no, I don't. I don't know if it's 831 00:58:02,599 --> 00:58:08,199 a problem for Brown. I think his issue now is he's turned himself into 832 00:58:08,239 --> 00:58:14,280 such a good shooter and been so consistent with that that sometimes that's a better 833 00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,480 decision for him than trying to drive and continue to have the floor collapse on 834 00:58:17,559 --> 00:58:21,599 him as he tries to attempt something at the rim. Tatum, I've always 835 00:58:21,639 --> 00:58:23,440 been a little worried by his lack of attempts at the rim. I think 836 00:58:23,519 --> 00:58:29,840 that that's as indicative of what he needs to do to take that next step 837 00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,679 as it is is playmaking. You know, to me, he's just he's 838 00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:38,039 missing that pure aggression. And one thing Daniel Tice did really really well was 839 00:58:38,159 --> 00:58:42,360 that screen and seal move where he would roll to the front of the basket 840 00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,800 and then just completely bury some rim protector and try to hold him off on 841 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:50,000 his back, so Tatum could have a clear path at a layout. And 842 00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,159 you know, I don't know if Thompson's is good at that. Robert Williams 843 00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:57,960 is let's just say, subtlety is not his strong suit, So I don't 844 00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,440 know if he's going to be the type of guy that the phil that role. 845 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:05,119 Like, I really do worry about Tatum being so heavily jump shot dependent 846 00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:10,800 that it makes it less likely help defenses are going to try to scramble to 847 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:16,320 the rim, therefore limiting his playmaking upside. So the biggest way to untap 848 00:59:16,519 --> 00:59:20,920 More and Tatum is to get him to the rim more, which then forces 849 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,320 defenses to collapse and probably opens up a few more passing lanes for him. 850 00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:30,199 Who is the most important non Marcus Smart, Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum, 851 00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:35,480 Keima Walker player on this team? And that's where it feels like reliability. 852 00:59:35,639 --> 00:59:37,360 And I don't think Kempa has not been reliable, but it feels like after 853 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,719 those four guys, you legitimately know if you're looking at it through the lens 854 00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:44,760 of the rest of the season, a postseason series, who are you looking 855 00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:46,679 at saying you know we can bank on his performance? I guess Evan Fournier 856 00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:50,920 is now the reflective answer. But then even moving beyond him, like who 857 00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,079 becomes most important to this team? I think it has to be Robert Williams. 858 00:59:54,119 --> 01:00:00,920 I mean, you don't trade away you're starting center without believing in what 859 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,880 he's going to be able to give you in the postseason. And that's where 860 01:00:04,039 --> 01:00:07,960 I think the one thing the Celtics lack is a small ball five, Like 861 01:00:07,079 --> 01:00:13,559 they can't really commit to spreading other teams out by playing somebody at that spot 862 01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:16,760 anymore. Grant Williams maybe, but he's just been so inconsistent in his own 863 01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,840 world right now that it's hard to bank on him in that spot. Like 864 01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,000 they have stretched fives like Luke Cornette, Moe Wagner, but I wouldn't really 865 01:00:24,159 --> 01:00:28,519 want to see either of them playing heavy minutes in a postseason series right now. 866 01:00:29,679 --> 01:00:32,679 You know they're committed to playing with Williams or Thompson as that rim, 867 01:00:32,719 --> 01:00:37,159 protecting, shot blocking, screen roll or catch and finish type of five, 868 01:00:37,639 --> 01:00:39,280 which means that they have to be really really good in that role, or 869 01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:44,599 at least good enough to the point where you know when they face a Brooklyn 870 01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,039 that can go a little bit smaller and try to spread them out that Boston 871 01:00:47,079 --> 01:00:52,559 doesn't feel exposed. Do you look at this, and I'm not trying to 872 01:00:52,639 --> 01:00:55,679 trade away their young players, but there's obviously Robert Williams, But do you 873 01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,920 look at you know, Nay Smith, Romeo Lankford has a three game Samples 874 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,559 Eyes under his belt this season. Now we should all throw confetti for that. 875 01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:06,280 You have Peyton Pritchard. You mentioned I really like Graham Williams, but 876 01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,760 as you said, he's been super inconsistent this season. Do they have anyone 877 01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:14,559 on this team that can either pop for them semi immediately or who could be 878 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,679 a centerpiece might be too strong of a word, but an actual trade magnet 879 01:01:17,719 --> 01:01:21,199 for them because they are they have to do something over the offseason. This 880 01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,320 is they're not looking at this team. Even if Kemba goes off, they're 881 01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,360 not going to make or run to the NBA Finals. And it feels like 882 01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,800 they're it's not even just a player short. I feels like one point five 883 01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:32,960 player short at this point. And so you either need someone from within to 884 01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:37,159 really go boom, either for you on the court or as a trade asset. 885 01:01:38,159 --> 01:01:40,199 Yeah, I'm going to give you the cop out answer, Dan, 886 01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:44,360 Like, at this point, I don't care who it is. It just 887 01:01:44,519 --> 01:01:47,519 needs to be like one or two guys that establish themselves as rotation pieces so 888 01:01:47,639 --> 01:01:52,239 we can get rid of everybody else, because you can't have eight guys on 889 01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,639 rookie contracts trying to figure out who they are on a roster that tries to 890 01:01:55,679 --> 01:02:00,719 compete. There's just no room for that. So, you know, I'd 891 01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:07,400 love for it to be Nice Smith because he's the role that he fills is 892 01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,519 probably the most important one next to Tatum and Brown, which is just straight 893 01:02:10,599 --> 01:02:15,599 up catch and shoot success. And I'd like for it to be Grant Williams 894 01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:19,719 because, as we mentioned, having that small ball five, which I still 895 01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,639 think is his best kind of role in position, is really important. But 896 01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,480 then you have to make the decisions. You've got to get rid of the 897 01:02:25,559 --> 01:02:30,239 Carson Edwards. You've got to get rid of the semi ojulas, like those 898 01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:36,480 guys can't be getting playoff minutes on a team. I think Romeo Langford has 899 01:02:36,639 --> 01:02:39,000 upside to him, but if you're talking about trade targets, that would be 900 01:02:39,079 --> 01:02:43,039 the one for me, where if you develop him and he shows that he 901 01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:46,400 can do something this year, kind of cash out a little bit and get 902 01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:50,960 a little bit more of a shooter or a defined three indeed type of role, 903 01:02:51,039 --> 01:02:53,320 because that's ultimately what you need at the wing spot next to Tatum and 904 01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:57,000 Brown. Do they have Does he have the room to do that? I 905 01:02:57,079 --> 01:03:00,559 know his his defense is kind of tantalizing, but is he Is he that 906 01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:04,840 complimentary offensive player that seems more like it could be a Pritchard or a Nie 907 01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,239 Smith. Keep going back to how he was in high school. He was 908 01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:13,000 a prolific scorer in high school. You know, everyone is waiting for it 909 01:03:13,079 --> 01:03:16,599 to click to the point where he does that in the NBA. He struggled 910 01:03:16,639 --> 01:03:20,840 at Indiana. He had some risk issues, I believe, and didn't shoot 911 01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,800 the ball very well from deep. Celtics drafted him thirteenth, thinking that that 912 01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:28,920 would fix itself. He hasn't proven to be an incredibly reliable shooter yet, 913 01:03:30,199 --> 01:03:36,519 but he's certainly also not the generational type of scorer that people thought he was 914 01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:42,119 when he was in high school. Spins, this was fantastic. Thank you 915 01:03:42,199 --> 01:03:45,679 so much for coming on. I have no strong opinions about the Celtics. 916 01:03:45,719 --> 01:03:47,280 I feel like they're in trouble, but it's also it's tough to They have 917 01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:52,159 two of the most tantalizing building blocks in the NBA, and just you can 918 01:03:52,199 --> 01:03:54,119 imagine them making a really strong push. I I wouldn't consider them a title 919 01:03:54,159 --> 01:03:58,519 contender, but if they just get more from Kemba Walker, that's still a 920 01:03:59,079 --> 01:04:02,039 in theory and act big three and things, can you know, round out 921 01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:05,960 from there. But they're they're so even their most recent Knicks game maybe one, 922 01:04:06,119 --> 01:04:10,559 but it was just like that had I know. The cliche is the 923 01:04:10,679 --> 01:04:14,280 basketball is a game of runs, but that was like a game of runs 924 01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,039 and dry spells, and that feels like the EBB and flow of so many 925 01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:20,719 of their games this season. Yeah, look, there's still the fourth most 926 01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:26,199 talented team in the East, probably right behind the Big three there of Brooklyn, 927 01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,280 Philly, and Milwaukee, and that's got to count for something. You 928 01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:33,159 know, you can't count behind Miami. I think they're probably a little bit 929 01:04:33,239 --> 01:04:38,760 more top heavy talented. I think I'd rather have Tatum and Brown than I 930 01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:45,880 would Butler and Oladipo. But it's very close with those two teams. Very 931 01:04:45,079 --> 01:04:48,440 Miami at least has such a defined identity and they shoot the ball so well 932 01:04:48,599 --> 01:04:53,079 that I would pick Miami in a postseason series. But I don't think it's 933 01:04:53,079 --> 01:04:56,800 a stretch to say that Boston is just as, if not more, individually 934 01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:00,559 talented. Yes, Miami could carve out floors Bay Seeing in a flash mob. 935 01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,079 They are spectacular doing that. Spins, This was so great. Thank 936 01:05:04,119 --> 01:05:06,800 you so much for coming on. You know I will be bothering you again 937 01:05:08,159 --> 01:05:10,920 down the line, but for now, can you tell our listeners where they 938 01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,760 can find your work? Follow your work? Well, Dan, thanks for 939 01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:18,440 having me. I'm pretty active on Twitter. Follow me at Spinella fourteen that's 940 01:05:18,599 --> 01:05:25,280 SPI n e l l A one four writing a lot of NBA draft scouttering 941 01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:30,960 reports and doing YouTube scouts and tons of in depth breakdowns either on our YouTube 942 01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:33,239 channel and you can find me at Adam Spinella or on the Box and One 943 01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:38,119 which is the Box in One Duck weebly dot com. And for more half 944 01:05:38,159 --> 01:05:41,719 to press Celtics Takes, you can follow me and my colleagues over at Celtics 945 01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:45,360 blog right now. Definitely follow I mean follows Adam directly as you already mentioned 946 01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,880 at Spinella fourteen, but definitely follow Box and One. He writes so much 947 01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:53,599 great stuff I'm watching. His YouTube scouting reports are a godsend for me, 948 01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:57,679 especially when I'm doing a draft crash course or just trying to feign some knowledge 949 01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,559 before a podcast with Spins himself. Thank you so much, Finn, I 950 01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:02,800 will be talking to you sir. Thanks day