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Eleanor Wagner. Welcome all to my paranormal Closet where the stories in magic
take place. My guest today is a world renowned exorcist and doctor theology with
over thirty years of experience casting out demons. He has appeared on the Dead
Files and a Haunting in Saginaw, Michigan, with pieces as seen on the
television shows My Ghost Story and Paranormal Witness. Join me in welcoming GP Hagger
to my show today. Welcome, Thank you so much for joining me today.
I'm glad Beer. I don't know if you know it, but I
deal with the weird and unexplained on my show and I reached out to you
specifically because of your book on the Miship King dog Man. For the listeners
tuning in today, the cryptozoological creature is described as a seven foothold, blue
eyed or ambride bipedal canine like animal with the torso of a man and a
fearsome hell that sounds like a human scream. In your book, New Detail
sixty true stories from eyewitness accounts across the state of Michigan, along with the
description of variance types and actual photos from eyewitnesses who have claimed to have seen
this Michigan Dogman. As I understand it, the first sighting of the dogman
was in Wexford County in the year eighteen eighty seven. A couple of lumberjacks
spotted him as they were working. Since then, there have been many reported
sightings of this creature throughout Michigan, though most have been from the northern quadrant.
What enticed you to write about the dogman subject? A few years ago,
I was a vendor for Michigan Paraicon su Saint Marie and my wife and
I we set up our table and loby all right next to us was Linda
Godfrey, and we became fast friends and we started talking more about well at
first, it was funny because I didn't know who she was until I talked
to my friend ty Clements and he's also an author Hero tauntson Mackenham and he's
up there every year and he's like, did you realize that you're right next
to Linda Godfrey? And I'm likes Linda God alright. Yeah, I personally
come from right from the church community, and not really at the time was
familiar with a lot of people in the paranormal, or wasn't interested in the
paranormal. I mean I was when I was a kid. I loved the
idea of bigfoot, UFO was that kind of thing, and that was I
like to watch the Scooby Doo and all that, So they intrigued me.
But over time it just kind of went away. And he was telling me
about Linda and then he comes around and he says, yeah, I got
to talk to her about my story. I'm like, what are you talking
about? May I ask you? Who is you? Tell us? Oh?
She passed away, But she was the lady that everybody pretty much went
to because she when people had their dog man stories, they wrote into her.
They told her about them as she lived at Wisconsin, and I don't
believe that she ever saw one herself. But in Wisconsin they have what's called
the Beast of Bray Road. But as like I mentioned my book, they're
like their sightings of dogment all over the world in different forms. And I
remember the following year I was talking to her, and I gave her my
theory at the time that I thought it was Dinapithecus, because I don't jump
to the conclusions, especially when it comes to somebody coming to me and asking
for deliverance. We have we're deliverance ministers, actorssists were trained to have an
objective diagnosis. We're not gonna believe it until the devil shows his face.
And I myself have never seen a dog man. I've seen bear, black
bear around here. I sent backed last week. I went out to get
my mail and I lived way out in the woods here in Michigan, and
just down the road I saw a huge black bear crossing from my neighbors or
from across the road all over to the other side. I have them in
my yard too, yeah, down along with fox and deer, and you
got it. My wife, she works for a sports sports store, and
I told her, I said, big, my want. I guess some
bear spray just in case, because we have a heaving boy and he likes
to play out in the yard sometimes, and so I go and take the
chance, usually black beer. They're they're more scared of us than them.
They run away, except that they got cubs and that's when you're going to
have a problem. Zach, can you define dynapithecus. It's a pretty much
a giant type of hyena, a little larger than a hyena, but a
babylon I'm sorry, I was thinking of the Hya version of the dog.
But they there are just a large babylone. Basically, they're a little bigger
than than a person, and they usually, you know, they have have
snouts, they have the kind of linky arms, the legs, psychia of
thing, and they can walk up right. And so that's why I was
talking to her. I said, well, have you ever saw a dianpithecus,
as you know, a one of the main theories. And she's like,
you know, I've had people come to me and tell me that,
but I just don't know because there are so many accounts of this thing acting
like wolves, and so it just sparked my imagination, you know, maybe
curiosity more than look into it. I'm a person that even though I'm a
theologian and in the spiritual, but I also am trained to having to do
deliverances. I have to know a psychology and be familiar with it, being
familiar with the human mind and so and As a doctor, I'm trained to
have a developed a hypothesis first and even test to their hypothesis, and so
I'm really into research, and so I have my own theories about it.
It's a combination the scientific and the spiritual. Can I do talk about it
a little bit, not relating to the dog man, but it's at the
conclusion of my new book Serial Killers and Their Demons, you know, I
talk about it. The theologians have three theories, basically the anti the Lutavian
Age, the age before the flood, about how the giants came about.
Those theories is that the giants the Bible was referring to the sons of God,
that it is referring to the sons of shem like a holy type of
race. They're set apart upon God. But a lot of us have just
thrown that out, doesn't make any sense. But there are still a few
pastors out there that do accept that, because there is a big problem in
the church today that you go into a church today here in the United States
and missho how it is and the other other parts of the world. But
they don't want to talk about Well, I talked about demons, and I
want to talk about exorcism occasionally. My wife and I we visit churches and
they tell them, you know, they ask me, so what do you
do? Like, well, inside, I have a ministry, I mean
do deliverance. And it's kind of okay, and it's kind of a taboo
subject, which really irks me in a way because I think deliverance is eliminating
demons, casting them out. Yeah, it's more of I don't like to
say that. I like to say that it's healing, healing the soul.
It was the number one miracle that was performed in the early Church and really
what caused the early Church to explode with its numbers, and the Bible refers
to it as signs of wonders. It doesn't talk, you know, like
the word exorcism came later on in church history. I lost my training.
Thought was where I was going to go with that. But but oh we
have pretty much three theories. The other one is is that the fallen angels,
which the books of Jubileese and the Book of Ena talk about the watchers
Gogory that had come down. They were meant to watch over humanity and they
had lost their way and they and Jude talks about how they shed their spiritual
robes and on the other theories that there's a lot that branched off of that
idea that they had actually physically mated with the children of men daughters of men,
and some of us are even starting to throw that out too, that
that has there really no revalence because how can spirit meete with flesh. We
don't see any possible way for that to happen. The only way that spirit
can really interacts with flesh is to enter it and possession where either an evil
spirit enters the person or Holy Spirit enters a person into what was in them,
which has led to this type of new theory called the demonic possession theory,
where it is believed because in my experience as an exorcist, I see
it, I can see it happening. And there's a lot of studies out
there in genetics so that we really only know like maybe ten percent of what
genes can do and demons and during interrogations haven't even admitted to me that yeah,
we have the capability of altering the genes, which really blew me away,
and that was under penalty of torment by the Holy Spirit, and that's
final that they're telling the truth. And I've heard other exorcists explained the same
thing that they had. They'd heard them admit that they're able to alter the
genes, which has caused a lot of us to believe more in this type
of theory where there were willing to participants, humans who allowed themselves to go
through abuse and trauma that had because I we go, we can go back
to. A good example is research that was done after World War Two where
the Nazis at the time had talked about this in my book. The Nazis
at the time had well, the Dutch had rebelled against the Nazis, but
what the Nazis had done is they had removed a lot of their supplies and
caused them to go through starvation, and the result of that was of course
a famine. But after World War two, scientists found out that there were
that this Descendants of these people who went through starvations started to develop health problems,
and they found out that it was done at the genetic level, So
people that went through trauma and abuse were starting to their genes got altered and
sected their children. It was also the case with Holocaust survivors, people who
have went through the trauma and the abuse during the Holocaust, their children resulted
genetically to having diabetes. And so my theory is that demons can't can't make
you do something you don't want to do. They have to break down your
will. And so what they do is they allow a person to go through
abusive situations in their life which will alter the genes of the person so that
they can have a more susceptible host that they can influence to do things that
they want them to do and leader in life, which is the case of
what happened with serial killers. They were abused and traumatic. If you compile
a lot of their stories together, they come about and are altered from lessons
and they go through life experience and that trauma that they have when they were
young, they experience the sociative identity disorder, and then later on life it
affects them because all that emotion has buried down. So these willing participants and
the Antidlumian age, we're willing to go through situations that had altered them,
allowing demons to come about them and to alter their DNA how they want them
to be on the change to suit more their image, and because of those
genes being passed on extensively onto their young resulted in some possible mutations or what
have you, that had caused a giant race. That's just one theory because
we have in it's also proven and you can go back and look that there
is giganticism in our genes. We have people throughout history that have experienced huge
andre. The giant is one example. Seven people throughout history. To look
back, we're very tall people. It's so we're leaning more towards that aspect.
Well, just for the listeners that don't know about your recent book,
Serial Killers and Their Demons GP reviews a lot of popular serial killers that makes
determinations based on experience with casting out demons, and it explores the twisted bites
of serial killers and the demons that drive them and influence their actions. And
I read a lot of true crime stuff so fascinating that you believe demons enter
these offenders. But what about the serial killers that have no history of abuse
at all in their childhood? Well, at some level there is something that
causes the mind to fracture, and I get that question a lot. Is
what causes dissociated identity disorder, and it's a subject that is divided the psychologic
on psychiatric communities. I know a few counselors sharing player that debate about it
and not very When I bring up the subject, they're like kind of like,
well, we got to talk about this again. Myself as a counselor,
not a licensed counselor, but you know, as a pastor minister,
you know, I do counsel people when I have to for deliverance. There
is some sort of trauma that does a cur and trauma combs in all kinds
of areas. A good example is chi Wayne Gacy. That guy experienced a
lot of trauma in different aspects. He was verbally abused by his father.
He was do you verbally verbally abused by his father, or he was beaten
by his father. He was selected by a fifteen year old girl when he
was maybely four. And not only that, but their their family friend would
take him out on enjoy your rides and sexually molest him. So abuse comes
in all different forms. There is of course, sexual which I see a
lot in people, which gives the demon Jezebel. Right, that's the number
one right that she claims, and I encounter this demon a lot and as
the most dangerous demon out there, and there is verbal abuse and at this
at a very young age. This is why I'm we have to protect our
kids, folks. We have to at this young age, even if it's
not your kid and there's somebody as abusing them or in some way causing trauma
to a young kid. It has to stop because I these people that come
to me for deliverance and their dissociatives come forward. It's all emotional pain.
It's a painful experience inter healing and deliverances, and we treat demons as just
kind of an annoyance because the whole object of deliverance, of course, is
to heal the soul of the person. And when demons pop up and they
do you know, I just make them go down. Hey, we're not
done, and the whole objective is to weaken the deemon before the extracism and
exorcism is actually a very small part of deliverance, and it's a lot of
people want what they want to experience. I get that a lot of a
lot of messages asking hey, how can they join in a deliverance? And
it's funny because a lot of people when they watch the deliverance and the other
person is the client is all right with it. There the witnesses are watching
our a live witnesses to come in because they want to boost their faith up,
and they they're kind of bored. I tell them ahead of time,
just so you know that this is not what you think. This is more
of a counseling session. And so we go through and renouncing, We go
through curse breaking at and healing the soul, helping them to forgive their abusers
and all the trauma that they went through. And then when the exorcism happens,
by that time, the demons are very weak because they lost most of
their rights strong wards are healed, they got nothing to hold on too.
I've even had demons say, you know what, just I want to go
because this person is too strong sounds and everyday occurrence actually for a lot of
people. Well, what of my to the frustrations that my team and I
have is there's people in the peronymal community that say, the world to my
possessions rare, to my activity is rare. No, it's not. No.
We have rapes every day, We have murders every day throughout the world.
We have wars, we have dictators, we have evil people in this
world that wanting to harm others. Happens every day, and who's influencing them
their own demons. I've even had people come to me and say, oh,
I want to get tested to see if I have a demon, and
they sell that our profile and we go through I'm renouncing and lo and behold,
demon pops up. So how'd you get in there? And they'd usually
tell me we go from there, I interrogate them, But yeah, getting
back to that question that and he asked about how those serial killers that have
never faced debusd Like one example is BTK killer as his name escapes me right
now, but he was one where I really had trouble trying to get right
down to signed anything in its youth, and a lot of them in their
history didn't really tellt him much about their youth. But when I went back
and saw what they did in the future, all the killing is that they
did, and I know which demon it is. I talked about that in
the book and revealing each serial killer. It just it all adds up to
one particular demon who brings some other demons, and they know this demon is
so well because and honor it quite a bit. And I'm like, they
have to had to have had some sort of trauma in their youth. Some
we're back in there, not just abuse, but some sort of trauma something
that traumic doctor Shipman known as doctor death. It was another one where really
there was no nothing too much in his youth. But yeah, he had
a domineering mother. Okay, Well, in my experience, there is such
a thing as generational curses, and they follow right down the line. And
Bible talks about gyrational curses as pretty much flying around the gyrational line until somebody
does something exactly the same as their ancestor. So let's say an ancestor has
done a blood covenant, maybe a human sacrifice wage back there a lot of
do you know your ancestry not? No, yeah, very far back right.
It takes about forty five thousand people to sixty thousand people generations way back
to make one person, to make you, to make me. And so
we have a lot of ancestors, we have a lot of connections. So
there's curses that are flying around out there, but they're not landing on it.
But it because a lot of us have not done what that particular person
in our ancestry has done. So let's say if somebody has done a human
sacrifice, Let's say like a German had done a human sacrificed to the to
the god. Thor now Thor is another variation of the demon Lucifer, and
Lucifer a lot of demons. They they're the same type of demon, they're
just in different variations, their different personifications. Take for example, with the
main enemy of the church, the Jezebel spirit. Jezebel comes in many variations
Lilith, colleague, iiss and that and so forth. There's a lot of
variations of the Jezebel spirit. I've had people to confirm this. I've had
people. I had one lady who had isists in the same room with another
woman who had Lilith, and when they were both in the same room,
they had that kind of connection, like they felt each other's spirit. They
felt like when Lolith came forward and I was dealing with her the Isis spirit
and the other lady would just started getting irritated and they usually manifest as anxiety.
And people in the room they were witnessing this, they were like amazed.
I sit in one person and spoke up and said, how is this?
You know what I said, Well, it's it's the same spirit,
it's just a different personification. So even Lucifer takes on different personifications deals above
the al Alile even himself off Lucifer, and personally, I like dealing with
Lucifer because I honestly don't know why a lot of the other demons are afraid
of him. Because the difficult demon that I have to deal with is Jezebel.
She manifests laughing, you know, she comes forward, she's like this,
she's like she thinks it's all funny, and so she manifests deal with
her and she lies quite a bit, have to torm from her. She
all responds to authority and have to display that authority. And after much torment,
she finally gives in to that authority. And it's difficult to get information
out of her. And so is absolutely funny is Lucifer and Jezebel and whichever
form just they don't like each other, but yet they work together. Isn't
that crazy? It really is? Yea? And so when they and when
this is all going on with the demons, yeah, is it talking through
the person's body or is it true. Oh it is so crazy. Yeah,
they have. Each one of them has their own personality. They each
have their own usually, however, the Bay language is However, the tone
of voice when they first come forward, doing this for so long, I
even have to ask what their name is. Yeah, this is Lucifer is
usually angry, snarling, and he's just he's angry. I don't know why
he's angry. Jezebel, of course, is laughing, giggling. She thinks
everything's funny. She thinks God's funny. The whole topic. The viasin him
and murder are the only two demons that have ever tried to come at me,
try to attack me, and have a video that's up by YouTube.
Nice actually sure where. But there was a guy we had an open deliverance
in Columbiaville, Michigan here and this guy he's a friend of mine and he
actually he wanted deliverance because he felt that he was being oppressed. And he
started out from Chicago and he says, hey, just want to let you
know I threw up. And that telled me right there from experience that Okay,
whatever he has is its judgment is coming. Usually if there's no reaction
when the person doesn't tell me that when they're either way or I'm I'm on
the way, I want to text them say I'm my way over to see
you. And if there's no reaction, I know that the deliverance is going
to happen today. They're not going to be cast out, and they know
when their judgment is near. And so you started throwing up before he drove.
And when he got there and it was his time, his turn for
his deliverance, all I had to do is let's see what you got,
and they call it whatever up and they just came right forward and they front
of me, and this is these are all signs of okay, yeah,
I know that these guys are going to be cast out because they know it's
their time. And that's just that's very I always thought that was very fascinating
that they they know when their time is and so they're yeah, I'm sorry,
they just submit to whatever it is. H they'll they'll fight more or
they just give in or they put up a fight. That's why I really
dig into that person's psyche and okay, well let's find out what more that
they have happening in your life. Because a lot of people think that demons
live in the now. They don't really live in the now. They live
in your past. And so that's where we have to look at as a
person's past to explore the explore where they are at that moment that they entered.
And then we then we explore that, we we renounce it, we
cover it with the blood of Christ, so that sin does not exist anymore.
They can't be seen. It's called clean and so now and demons are
like, well, wait a minute, at this point in time where I
enter, it is gone now and nothing to hold on to and bring them
back up. Do you have any more legal right now? Okay, well
then you gotta go. And then it's that's the point that where we start
the extracism is when they when they say, now I don't have any more
legal right and we try to get them because there was in the past when
I was starting deliverance, I was getting so frustrated. After our deliverance,
they have that people would would get we get in their cars, they would
drive down the road and all of a suddenly they start manifesting like okay,
well yeah, to turn around and come back. Let's find out what you
got what's going on. I'm going to sit down and find out from Yeah,
I find out from the demons. Well, I didn't. That was
just part of me that left. I left a little bit of myself behind.
And so now when I do do exorcisms, I make them fully manifest.
And what we do is get that because demons are emotional beings, and
so I want to experience that person's emotion at the fullest. I tell them,
Tom, you gotta you gotta bring up all that anger, every bit
of it. I want to see all that anger and make sure that there's
people that are able to hold them down, and you know, make sure
that doesn't want to come in anybody. And as the extorcists, we try
to make their entire focus on us, away from everybody in the room.
And there's people that have tried in the past to try and you know,
I say something to the demon, they want to get right in and I
want to, you know, can I experience I experienced this? I ask
a question, absolutely, not for what they're going to lie to you.
They're going to deceive you because now you're curious about them, and you want
something from something unholy rather than God, and put your focus on God.
And so that's what exactly what they want is they want your attention to be
drawn away from God upot them. And so I tell everybody that are that's
involved in exorcism, look, don't talk to the demons when they manifest.
Don't say anything. If you have a question, you can write it down,
you know, towards me and slide it over to me. I'll make
the demons go down and it will take a break. No answer your questions.
And so it's that's something that I am very limit about is doing up.
Don't talk to the demons, don't try to just observe and witness sounds
like even something as simple to some people such as like unacceptance. Let's say
somebody who's in that place where they're being unaccepted, it could be so such
a torment to their soul that that would be enough for them to do something
horrible, like be a serial killer. Let's say Jeffrey Dahmer, for example.
I don't think there's anything his history and his upbringing that would lead you
to believe there's a demon, but he did suffer from unacceptance for who he
was and felt like he was unloved, and maybe that was enough to make
I don't know him who they're hind And you can't abuse yourself. People don't
realize that people can't abuse themselves slf Hey, even drinking, what we do
to our bodies daily is a form of that, I believe. Oh yeah,
interesting, I've never heard of extacism in this form before, but you've
made it very clear as to what it is. I see it apparently.
Now, let's just say my approach to extracism is more. I want to
get the personally healed. I don't want any form whatsoever for the demons to
sit down and have something attached to whatsoever. And I heal the strongholds,
I'll removed the legal rights so I know that when that person leaves, they're
healed. And you wonder for how long though, because we could just keep
on doing this ourselves over and over. Supposed to say, you'll never be
out of work, because it sounds if we are all susceptible to a demon.
Yeah, I sit down. I tell people when I look up for
deliverance, like, look, this is your deliverance. You're conducting the exorcism
and deliverance you decide if you want to break free or not. I'm just
here as a guide. I'm here to help you. And we, of
course we are we are sinners. We're going to I had There's been people
actually, just like recently with that lady with LOLd of Spirit, and we
do make mistakes. I make mistakes. In her case, there were three
demons there was, and demons will also go by the namestill take on the
personification of the person's abuser. People don't know that, and eman an ancestral
abuser. In this lady's case, she had a demon named Jacob, and
she had a demon name Samuel. Well, I know that there is a
demon named Samuel, a Luciferian spirit, and it connecting Jezebel spirit as a
little us. And that's what I believe that happened to the sa sam killings.
David Bergowitz, you know, he had a Jewish ancestry, and and
once you know, I saw the name sam, I'm like Samuel. And
so she had Samuel Jacob and there was this feminine entity that I couldn't determine
at the time if it was a soul tie or if it was a dissociative
and it was claiming to be a dissociative going by in the name Anne that
and so we cast out Jacob and we cast out Samuel and she went back
to her own state. Well later on another event, she came up and
she's like, I want you to check me again. I could hear the
voice of God saying you missed Anne. I'm not like, okay, So
I want to explore this Anne again. Because then she actually had two sessions
prior to the third and the second one when we were casting out Samuel,
I said, is there anybody else in there? And don't lie to me
or I'll torment you. And I said, just that B like I say
the B word on your show off, And I'm like okay. So I
started wondering about and because when I was talking to a claiming it to be
a dissociative from her childhood, that it was. We started the diffusion process.
And a lot of exorcists don't do this if they're familiar with the sociaive
identity disorder. But I'm one of few that know how to fuse the dissociative
back with the core personality. So we started the process of fuse fusing back
and she didn't do that, which tipped me off. I'm like, I'm
starting to wonder about and and I started even wondering there if it was a
Jezebel spirit, because jess of those are very difficult to deal with. And
so in the third session when she said, well, I am going through
all this and I want you to check me out again. So we sat
down and lo and behold it was actually Littleith And I know what littleis how
she gets in. So I asked her some other questions and like, okay,
have you done this in your life? You know something that she hadn't
told me. It was a subject to a lot of women who have done
it don't want to discuss it. And just when I raise it from their
life, I said, okay, just remember that that's where they are.
They're dwelling on that event, that it was in your past. And so
we had renounced it and went back to the little because that's what she told
me. That was her legal right. And I said to having more legal
right. No, it sounds like in a court room. Yeah, it
is a courtroom process. Negotiations. Is what is that by dissociative identity disorder
exactly? Okay. The associative identity disorder used to be called multiple personality as
okay, and personalities personalities do exist in the mind. And what happens is
the best way I explain to people and they ask, is you take an
egg. The egg is whole, and that's a young egg, and so
think of that as a child's Okay, Well, I want to take and
make other personalities. So you drop it. As you do, it cracks.
So all those cracks, all those different pieces are being made, are
different personalities. So those those shells are their own pieces of shell That's essentially
what happens to the mind. If you take abuse, trauma and have it
go through that, have that child go through that experience, the mind fractures.
So if your neighbor is a pedophile and starts abusing the child early in
life, then what happens is see children, of course, we have this
mindset similar to the imagined likeness of God. We're innocent and that's all we
know is we want to experience the fruits of the spirit. We want experience
love, which wants to experience love, patience, kindness, not all the
time patience, but the good things in life. And we trust people that
are close to us, our friends or family. And when somebody like that
even a family friend in the case of ji Wayne Gacy, turns on us
and starts performing evil acts on us. Then the mind cannot comprehend what's going
on and it dissociates. It leaves. Well, somebody has to come forward,
Mark, we give back what I'm saying. The personality, the core
personality leaves, so the mind fractures, it breaks off a piece of it
itself and brings that forward. Now, a great example of this is in
the Demaca of Gadera, where the scripture talks about when the gentleman came out
of the tombs, he was yelling and screaming, gnashing of teeth and cutting
with sharp stones. I experienced that a lot with people that come with me,
especially to have Jezebel. Is when I see marks of them or they
have some sort of fantastic addiction. The dissociative is constantly experiencing that pain that
it went through in childhood. It's always there, it's always holding onto it.
And so it's a way that God has allowed our minds to go through
to actually have a survive. And I tell these dissociatives when they come forward,
I'm like, thank you, thank you so much for your presence,
you have allowed this person to survive. And because they're a child living in
a grown up body, they're a little angry over this situation. While I
got hold out of this pain, you know, I'm making this person lives.
I'm watching, so have to talk to them and ease them in to
let them know, like, look, Ted is forty five. Now he's
an adult. He can experience this trauma that you're going through and sort through
it and you can actually protect you. And then they we want to get
at least like fifty one of the soul to agree to accept Christ. And
this ticks off demons, and so I'll lead the dissociative because it is part
of that person that is without Christ. To Christ. They accept Christ and
they begin to start to begin that fusion process will fuse them. And usually
the one demon who will claims to legal right or abuse is Jezebel, a
Jezebel spirit, and then when that happens, the fusion happens. Jezebel hasn't
nothing to hold onto, but she'll still claim a legal right. And Jezebel
in any form has this unique motherly characteristic about it, and she will try
to bring up that associative that's a child as its own and to see it
more fit into the person that wants to be. Because demons can't make you
do something, but they can make your dissociatives do something, or even use
solatizing the person to manipulate your mind to do something. And that's where the
change comes in, my people, And you really allow these serial killer accounts
so like I don't remember doing it, or I have no recollect election of
going that far. It's the dissociative that is in pain trying its best to
relieve the pain. That's why I like in the Bible that demoniac had was
cutting because it was inwardly an emotional pain. It was doing its best to
relieve the pain, trying to It's a build up. And the same thing
with a lot of these serial killers is they say, well, it became
an addiction. When after I did it, it was it felt like a
big release, And that's why they do it again, because over time,
the dissociative builds up the pain again to the can't tolerate anymore. It's God
release it. So that's why it's so important to get to these dissociatives as
quickly as possible and heal them. M wow, so interesting. When did
your bo ahead and tell the listeners how they can find your books, especially
this new Serial Killers and their Demons book that you came out with. I
they can find them on Amazon the Kindle version of it. It'll be coming
out at the twenty first. I have other books as well. I talk
about my story. It's called The Equilist, and I can be found it
to red Cover. A lot of people go to Amazon to find my books,
but they're once once published, they start trickling out into other other bookstores
as well online. Do you have a personal website of your own? Not
yet. I believe that I do own the domain name gphaggart dot com.
But if you try it, it should take it to my web page.
I've been so busy with a lot of multiple things that I just haven't really
got around to doing it really trying to Yeah, trade people been writing.
I also, do you have a full time job there. I'm transitioning hopefully
into starting my own type of business and do own. It's helped people build
churches and ministries in the past, and a lot of business knowledge, so
that's full time. Where so this is deliverance ministry is something I do on
the side, hopefully being able to do it full time. I'd like to
do it full time, travel around Teller States even other countries and helping to
deliver people, so that's my goal. I do hope that this show brings
in people who need your help be able to find you. So thank you
so much for joining me today. I really appreciate this. I know we
started off with Dogman and that was my original intention, but I really didn't
The subject of exticism and the whole serial killer thing very interesting and informative,
So thank you very much. Yeah, thank you for having me to the
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