Welcome to this edition of The High Strength Is Factor, copyrighted on the Paranormal
UK Radio Network. On the High Strength Is Factor, Andy Mercer and I
cover all aspects of the unexplained and paranormal. Today we are celebrating our fifth
anniversary, even though there has been a hiatus or two in the meantime,
and we will introduce our regular anniversary guests in just a moment. Andy,
great to be back here. And did you dream that we will be doing
this up to about five years? I know, it's been quite amazing how
that time has flown by. It really has. Yeah, we're with a
break of that sort of half of last year. Isn't now pretty much continuous
since we first started. I have to miss quite a few shows, but
now I am more free show we say my diary, So I'm going to
do more shows hopefully. And let's bring Brandy in our special guest co host
Brandy, Welcome back to The High Strangers Factor. Thank you so much for
having me back, and happy anniversary. I'm so honored to be here today.
Well, it's great to have you. You've been here for many really
great shows, and ladies and gentlemen, the rumor is that Brandy actually listens
to the high strangers factor. Okay, let's let's get right into it and
we will introduce our special guests. And anybody that has listened to past Anniversary
shows knows exactly who these people are. Long time Beaver County, Pennsylvania residents
who recently moved to Hancock County, West Virginia, Brian and Terry Seech have
been researching the paranormal and unexplained since nineteen eighty six. Brian has appeared on
Monsters and Mysteries in America and has been featured on several independent films, and
was an extra in the mock band Propheci's movie filmed in Pittsburgh, I Said
That with a straight Face Area and recently appeared on Small Town Monsters series Sasquash
On Earthed the Ridge, and the Mountain State Monsters. He and Terry have
appeared on various Internet radio shows and podcasts. Bryan also co wrote articles for
the Creature Chronicles column in the Hancock County Courier in West Virginia from August through
November twenty thirteen. Brian also was a co instructor along with Fred Seluga,
who the first ever Cryptozoology class at Eastern Gateway College in Steubenville, Ohio.
Brian and Terry are founders of their own groups, Q Center for Unexplained Events,
formed in nineteen eighty seven and CCS Center for Cryptozoological Studies, founded in
twenty twelve. The most recent endeavor is a project named LAE Light Anomaly Exploration,
started in May twenty nineteen, which researches and explores the light anomalies reported
over the years. Both Brian and Terry have co sponsored the Butler Paranormal Conference
since two thousand and seven. They are former field investigators for mwfon the Mutual
UFON network, and Terry was a former state Section director for MWFON of Pennsylvania.
You can find both groups on Facebook, along with a new page,
Strange Tales of the Tri State Triangle on Facebook. They currently come to you
from a holler outside of Weirton, West Virginia, in the Northern Panhandle.
Brian and Terry, welcome back to the Highest Rangers Factor. I S.
Thank you. Are those dorks? Oh, I don't know, they're just
so blown up with their own self importance. You know how that goes?
I mean, I mean, there's nobody like that in the in the paranormal
field. Not done at all. Thank god. Well, really thanks for
coming back, you guys. This is a real treat and it's kind of
a it's a great tradition to have to have you guys back on our anniversary
shows. Oh, it's our pleasure. So heck where to start? Uh?
What kind of catch us up a little bit? Now? We Uh,
we've talked about you moving to West Virginia before. Now, how long
have you been in West Virginia now? A little over two years? All
two and a half. And I happen to know you're in a really great
place. I've had the pleasure of visiting your humble abode deep in the holler
up in the Panhandle there, and it is it's really it's it's it's very
picturesque. I mean, you guys, your house could actually be on a
calendar. I mean, you've got it's an older house, but we love
it. You've got a brook, You've got cats, you know, you've
got everything. Yeah, and birds and turkeys and deer. Oh and also
a driveway. Will you take your life in your hands getting out of the
main road, Yeah, exactly. Try try going over there. Every every
morning or every afternoon and getting the mail. It's like a scene from pet
Cemetery trying to cross the road. So what's it been like there? I
mean, what what what's changed for you? Or what what new avenues have
opened since you've been there in this area? Well basically, uh, you
know being down here, you know, a whole new, different state.
Although it actually we're only what about seven miles from the water right and we're
getting to do new it's born in new places. Is meeting new people,
uh, and just just getting the word about both groups out there. We've
had two done to Thomlinson. Thomlinson are on Bigfoot Days. We're going to
do a third this year. We're going to be doing the West Virginia Northern
Panhandle Conference and I think you did see the poster Steve that we posted.
Yes, yes, that'll be May fourth and brook Kills Playhouse. And it's
just fun. It's fun to be in a new place, you know,
after living all of our lives in basically one state, and you've taken as
you know, moving to West Virginia. Your yes, absolutely, just a
lot of people we know have moved to West Virginia for one reason or another.
And of course I'm deep in the heart of Point Pleasant, West Virginia,
home with the moths Man. But uh uh let's see, uh now,
are there are there active groups there? I mean, do you have
like meetings with different local groups out that way? Well? What fred Fred
Zeluga is here with the group West Virginia q okay, And that's the only
other other group that as of right now that we you know, that's in
the in the that's in the vicinity here. Yeah. About about how far
away is you from you guys group? Well, he used to be five
miles, but now he's a little further, maybe about nine miles now.
And have you have you been picking up any other like interesting reports and it's
just from being out there, do you are you picking up other reports of
cryptids or or paranormal phenomena out that way? Yeah? We uh we still
we still I think at the last time we talked to you, we're still
researching the Beast of Bell Hill. And if anybody has caught Sasquatch on Earth
moldin State Monsters, there's a whole episode just about I think it's called Season
of the Sasquatch. I think is what the name of the episode is and
we go to Tomlinson Run and we hiked down there and we talk about that
sighting and some other sightings that we've had down here, including this. Uh.
We got a report I think it was last on Chober of a basically
a creature that the guy he drew it for us. It kind of looks
like the Jersey Devil, he said, the closest thing that I could equate
to what this thing was. It looked like the Jersey Devil. It had
wings, it almost had like a horse like head. And they were out
looking for deer in Brook County, which is the county right next to Hancock
County, right below Hancock County, and he said he saw these two two
deer running out of the bushes and this thing, the Jersey Devil, whatever
you want to call it. It started to walk. It took like three
steps, and he said, and then it spread its wings and it flew
up in the air and flew away. Now, he we haven't been able
to meet up with him to take us to the spot because he's been sick.
So we hope to do that here in a couple of months. That
was one of the new one of the new ones re received. Wow wow,
yeah, and that you feel the witness is credible. Yeah. He
actually met us at the Thomlinson run Bigfoot Day and you know, him and
his son both saw this thing and just to look on his face when he
told us, he said, you know, you're not gonna believe this.
He said, but this thing it looked like the you know what the Jersey
Devil looked like. And we received another winged Nity report which was two years
ago. It took place about three years before that, and that was also
a Thomlinson run. This creature looked like a wing dentity type creature that actually
flew over of the car. And I asked her, I said, you
know, you're sure wasn't an owl thing, you know, Turkey vulture and
some of your usual suspects, very blue hair and husty. But she said
no, she said, you know this thing was actually when it flew over
the car, it cast a shadow over the whole car. He said,
it was huge. So Fritz Lugu when he was down here years ago,
he received a report also out of Hancock County of a mother and her daughter
were camping outside of their their house here in Hancock County and they hear noise.
They were camped out by They had this huge trampoline and they look in
this winged humanoid creature actually crawled up on a trampoline and they kind of looked
at him, and then it flew up into the tree and then it flew
away. So we do believe that we're in an area, very untapped area
for sightings. We received also a talk to a gentleman who claims that he
saw a black panther at the Brook County landfill. So and other blackmanther you
know, people were starting to say, hey, you know, we know
somebody who saw We never really talk to anyone else, but apparently there's been
black panther sightings down here. So it is a very interesting area down here,
you know. Rosemary Ellen Guiley, at the end of one of the
Mothman festivals, got a report from a lady that lived in Cross Village,
isn't that far from Charleston, and she saw a creature that she described.
She didn't know anything about the Jersey devil, but what she described was very
much like a Jersey devil as well. And that particular piece of land,
although it's right near a busy, little two lane highway was just they had.
We went over there to talk to them one time and it was just
bizarre. They were finishing each other's sentences. They were having classic haunting phenomena,
seeing shadow people moving across the land, hearing like disembodied voices down on
the holler, I seeing classic UFOs overhead. So it was this one little
spot was just a really highly active area and it was you topped off with
some kind of a like a Jersey devil type creature. These uh, these
big, big bigfoot days. How what are they attended? Well, we've
had two so far, and the first one we had what over one hundred
and sixty some people. Yeah, it was well attended. The second one
they didn't do as much advertising. They forgot to put it on. It
was also around the four fourth of July, we had about half We had
about okay, about eighty. But still it's still pretty good attendant. Yeah.
Still you'll get a lot of people that are just really really interested in
the subject exactly we're you know, Fred's been down here, Fred Seluga,
He's been down here about like thirteen or fourteen years. And we've been down
here, Like I said, two and a half and it's really taken off
now people you know, you know, they know Fred here. Believe me,
they know Fred. Now they're starting to uh, some of them are
starting to come to us. And a lot of it too with the small
town monsters. We actually talked to a guy today who found to Thomas and
Run Park. He said he was at an area of the park which actually
is adjacent to where we filmed, you know, on a trail up in
Thomlinson. And he says, you know what, He goes, I lived
next to the park all my life. He said. About seven years ago,
we were out hiking and he said they got to this one area and
he said, he just he was a former military man and he says,
he said, you know what, I've never been spooked. I've never been
scared. He said, but I was looking, I didn't see anything.
It was in the winter, and he said, but it felt like there
was something watching me. So we're actually going to go out Saturday. Him
and his daughter are coming. He's going to take us to the to this
exact spot. He says, if you want to do it, it's about
a mile back hike. I said, yeah, Because we're trying to plot
all these areas where there's either been you know, alleged sighting. We got
a report from a woman who claims it she was walking one of the which
would have been an adjacent trail, was walking with her dog and all of
a sudden the dog stops and they hear this how. She said it sounded
like that one of the house from finding Bigfoot. So again we we had
another report of a how coming from one of the cabins, and this would
have been about ten years ago. So we're starting to piece it together some
areas to start really looking heavily into. So it's it's gonna be a fun
year. Now. Is that tell us about your experience with small town monsters
and the UH the documentary you're part of. Yeah, we were. I
was, you know, in the first UH Sasquatch on Earth, the Ridge
and that that was in Pennsylvania, the Chestnut Ridge in Pennsylvania, and in
it, I talked about when we were in the Old pa Bigfoot Society and
some of the things that we did, and we talked about Bigfoot and this
this late latest one Mountain Saint Monsters. It was strictly on West Virginia and
Seth came and he filmed up you know, he filmed in our library.
And then another time Heather and some other some of the other members came and
then they filmed us walking in this trail at Tom and Thomas and run Front
Park. Yeah, and has that Yeah that one? When did it?
Was it this summer October? I think it was for I think it started
in the midsummer and ended beginning of September. It's like six episodes, I
think. Okay, yes, it's pretty good, you know, Yeah,
he does a a a well uh does a well produced documentary. Yes,
if I do say so myself. My my favorite might be the mock Band
Legacy, where I handsome Countenance in there occasionally. Yeah, there's a guy
that looks just like you on there. It was it was funny, you
know, it's it's playing in back of the Moth fam Museum. And I
walked back the one time and the woman looks at me and says, were
you on that just now? And I said, yeah, that was me.
That was Well, that's pretty cool. I mean, it's it's part
of one of his productions. Because uh, you know, I I've been
filmed maybe I don't know, four times, maybe even five times on things
that have never materialized. Of course, there was there's the one What's what's
that Mountain Devil four or five or whatever it is where it's kind of a
a mockumentary, yes, where where the evil subsquatches you can tell they're wearing
shirts. You know. Somehow it takes the takes the terror out of it
somehow. But uh uh, we were in that. We were in the
first two, right right. You were in the legitimate ones. I was
in the bizarre one. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny because a friend of
ours, Dave Rupert, there's a scene where he's being attacked by a one
of these evil subsquatches outside, but the camera fades out, so you don't
know whether the subsquatch killed him or ate him. Uh uh. Earlier,
Brandy and I were talking a little bit about your light Anomaly group. Uh
can you can you talk to us a little bit about that? How what
was the genesis of that and and uh how that got started. Well,
we we had been getting reports and people bigfoot researchers who uh they they've been
they were out, they were out, you know, researching bigfoot, and
they said, you know what, we we saw these lights in the woods.
They looked like light spheres. They were they were either yellow white,
I think red, and they were in an area that that it had active
and was having active Bigfoot activity. So and then we started to hear from
other researchers. You know, we talked to other researchers and they're like,
you know what, these these these are bigfoot people. They were out,
you know, they were out in the night expedition and they're seeing these strange
lights in the woods. So we've been hearing that for about ten years before
we started a project with a man named Todd Bonner and he he says,
we talked to him about these lights. He says, I could build you
a frequency machine that might be able to how do we say it, interact
with these things right, attract somehow, you know. And so he build
us this thing. And we've been doing this for above four years now.
It's like it's funny because I tell people, I'm like, we love this
project that we're doing. We've done about maybe thirteen or fourteen tests, we
called them tests. It actually couldn't have come at a worse time because right
when we started, we were in the process of getting our house ready to
move, then we moved to her sisters, then we moved down here,
then we got COVID, and so it's been a really we probably couldn't have
actually started at a worse time, believe it or not. But now that
everything's pretty much a go, and uh, we do want it. We
have some some different ideas what to do with this thing, and some different
places and with some different people to do it with. And uh, I
don't know. I think we might have shown you the uh yeah, yeah,
yeah, the machine. Well yeah, yeah, okay, so there's
a lot more to it than we have to add to it. Working with
some other people too, and I have some really big plans for it,
but I know some of them might not actually be safe to do, so
we can we got to do. I have the money to do what I
really want to do. With some of them, we don't know what would
happen. But yeah, well I'm saying that you need some volunteers, you
know, for this. Yeah yeah, well, hopefully we get you downstate.
Maybe we can get you down for the for the conference, and then
you know, maybe do a even a frequency experiment right here by the water.
Now, is this one of those that isn't terribly safe or is this
a safer one? No, this is safe for one some of the ideas
that I have maybe had on my numbers. Okay, I'm gonna ask I'm
gonna ask Terry first to make sure that everything's kosher. Can you describe the
machine at all? Is it? Is it a frequency that like a light
frequency that inmates or is it a like a vibrational frequency that I mean,
I guess what what is it? It's a vibrational frequency. It's actually two
what are they called the globes. Yeah. He encased them in the big
plastic tubing to protect it for us to take out into the field and we
connect at what what's called a spooky too, the ripe right kind of it's
kind of like a ripe machine. Yeah, And we hook it up to
that and we set it to different frequencies to play out, and he says
it it's the frequencies go out in a radius of ten. Yeah. Wow,
do you are you? Can you feel or hear the frequencies or are
they silent to you? You could you could feel them? We actually would.
We had several psychics with us on different outings using these, and they
could definitely feel them, and there's one particular frequency that they asked us not
to ever play again because it bothered them. And actually one of the places
that we did at Steve was the place we took you down at the Beaver
Crushed State Park. Well okay, now this this wasn't a Taylor Swift c
D the frequency, right, I just thought I checked. Uh. But
but seriously, uh, Andy, you know when I think about like phenomenon,
uh, somebody we we are familiar with Paul Sinclair who has written the
Truth Proof books. Uh, and he's done an investigations in North and East
Yorkshire. We are on each other's show and if you read his books,
he has uh he's witnessed and even photographed many. I mean, there's all
kinds of other bizarre things going on. Black panthers, dog men like creatures,
triangles and everything. But there's a heavy, heavy, heavy amount of
light anomalies not and not not craft but you know, orbs or or or
or whatever mm hm we see we don't we don't know if like me and
me and you, I know talk a lot about Trevor James, Trevor James
Constable and his sky creature and we've got a lot of conversations about that,
and some people think, you know, maybe some of these this is energy,
these are actually physical, you know, like a physical energy being.
We don't, we don't know what they Well, there does seem to be
a connection with with bigfoot areas or sightings and some of these lights. I
mean, even Ronad in the Sierra Nevadas was experiencing a great deal of light
phenomena, but and also very classic, very physical seeming bigfoots. And of
course he's the one that captured the Sierra sounds, these recordings. So there's
some kind of bizarre connection there that makes me think of where was it.
There was a time when when you guys went out to an area that was
known for i think bigfoot sightings and and what they thought were bigfoot calls.
Uh, And you went out in that area and instead of finding a big
foot, you saw a strange light in the sky. Yeah. It in
Pennsylvania, Livermore, Livermoo, Livermore Yeah, uh Livermore, Uh, but
by the cemetery. But it was on the county Pennsylvania. Yeah, pen
here at his trails where it happened. Yeah. And the one time we
did that, we had a Leah with us, and you know how Leah
has a peculiar laugh, right, we'll say that we were on top of
a bridge over over I think it was the Kanamaua river, right, wasn't
it, And so she, you know, she laughed and it echoed whatever
you would do, it echoes, and we did hear some kind of a
scream, right, some kind of a scream. And then later on I
took another group. Terry was with one group. I took another group and
we hiked, ah, maybe not quite a mile. So we sat there
and we see this light. It looked like, i looked like a ball,
a white ball, but it looked like almost like a rail a rail
worker on a railroad. As he was he would be walking towards you,
swinging that lantern, and it looked like it was swinging back and forth.
Right, So it got up you know, it got up close. It
was weird because you could this was kind of reverse. You could see it
in the night vision camera, but it wouldn't record or when you put your
you know, you you didn't see it as well with your eye as she
did with the camera. But we started to walk toward them, it just
disappeared. It was really weird. It was one of the weirder instances we've
ever had home. So that the object was fairly small, probably about a
little bit smaller than maybe a basketball, Okay, not quite a basketball,
a little smaller than a basketball. Yeah. Wow, Well it's it's not
too bad. You didn't get to see a bigfoot, but you got to
see a strange moving light. Yeah. I'm still still hoping for the big
foot one though. That's my that's kind of like my you know, maybe
our end game in this, just to see it. So we could,
you know, say, hey, you know, we haven't wasted all this
time, energy and money we didn't have looking for something that may not be
out there, although although we somehow think it is out there, maybe not
as as you know, classical was maybe what people think it may be.
So the uh, let's let's talk a little bit about the upcoming Butler conference
as well. How's that shaping up? Do we know who the speakers are
yet? Or? And by the way, when when is it gonna be
held? What's the date? April twenty seventh's last Saturday. He's good,
she's checking on that right now. Okay, last Saturday in April okay.
Yeah, and so far it's Terry and I for sure. Yeah, we
he's got a bunch of feelers. We should know here within a couple of
weeks because he wants Okay, he's asked some people. I've asked one particular
person I have as well for Jim. Yes, I know that hopefully you
know I know who that person is, and we'd love to get her there.
That would be great. But we should tell people that this really is
a great conference. It's very affordable, it lasts to day. Dan always
lines up a great bunch of speakers. Uh you know, they're not all
the same, and you can get they've got food right there, and it's
just there's a lot of tables, a lot of people to talk to,
and it's just really a good time. Yeah. Eight is April twenty seventh.
It's ten to seven, okay, okay. And my question, not
being from that area, is is this solely a big Foot conference or does
it cover just an an array of topics. No, it covers all the
everything under the paranormal umbrella. We try to get speakers on different topics.
Okay, Brandy, They trying to cover the ghosts, the Bigfoot, UFOs,
and other topics, you know, in that realm, and they even
let me speak there before. That's right, you were in I did they
really enjoyed you there? Yeah, well that's good. That's good. And
I missed you a couple of times with those tomatoes and you know next time,
well listen, you know, I'm getting little slower. I don't have
the reflexes I used to do. So, so we're we're doing a very
and hopefully you can come to the Steve. I mean you're welcome to stay
here again like you did last year. Yep, we're doing Terry and I
are doing a presentation that we've done We've done parts one in parts two at
the Vickery. It's called Our Weird World, right, and it's a very
different How do we say it? How do we say this? It's we
sprinkle comedy in with facts. Yeah, we sprinkle comedy, we sprinkle pop
culture, and and we talk about things from cryptids to ghost to UFOs around
the world, around the world, and a lot that people have never heard
of, and we put our own special twist on it. It's it's we've
never had as much fun making doing the presentations as we have. The first
two so we're gonna combine them together. We're gonna add some stuff and subtract
some stuff, and whoever's going to be there, they either laugh or they'll
be throwing tomatoes at us. I love it, but I always enjoy that
event. But you know, this is the am I correct and saying that
this is the third interview you've had this week, A second one to next
Tuesday, and then I have two two in March, back to back Fridays.
So yeah, I mean it's I think I put out there. I
don't really do a lot, but it's weird. Every time I seem to
do one, I seem to do them in plumps, right, I mean,
I seem to do them within I might not do I might do one
like in six months, and then all of a sudden, I do three
or four in two months. It's just really weird. But I do try
to take advantage of those opportunities when they're presented. And uh ah, like
last night's was a blast. I was on Joe. His name is Joe
Perrie. It was a pair of a pair of blues out of Deep New
York, and we had met Joe a couple of times, and well he
would be a great guy, Steve, to get on your on the show.
Here, give everybody kind of a reader's digest version about what you guys
talked about so they can watch for it when it comes out. Okay,
well we we basically talked. He wanted to talk about big putting creatures,
Okay, but we also did go into uh frequencies a little bit, and
uh it's ironic. He's even doing some kind of a frequency thing for maybe
talk with spirits, so we thought he thought that was pretty neat what we've
been doing. But mainly crypt is we talked mainly crypt I think we might
have thrown a little bit of UFOs in there too. Generally in my talks,
it's funny we people want to start talking about big Book, but then
we go into Mothman, which is still my fa second favorite Steve, you
know that, and then we dog Man and things like that. So there's
just so many interesting things out there to talk just about Bigfoot constantly actually gets
boring. So but you know, you're a great guy, Brian, but
you do have that one character flaw where a Mothman is second. Yeah,
but he's a very very close second. I mean, even as a kid
even as a kid, Steve, when I read that first encounter about how
when it was first seen by Scarberry and do you remember it in the newspaper
when he went a first hit? I actually think I read in the UFO
magazine believe it or not. Okay, okay, And when this creature was
flying alongside the car going one hundred miles an hour, I was like,
fat that that had an e hook right there. Well, I was like,
don't go ahead. Oh And it was like that. I mean,
it's like wow, wing identity. I mean it looked like like a monster.
And uh that was just like I mean, it was. It was
unbelievable. And I started to read and research as much as I can't could
about it and anything mothmam was like wow. And then when I found out
later on there was I don't call them mothman. We call them like wing
entities, is what we put them all under, right, except mothman is
mothman, but the rest we just say that they're wing entities. Some people
will call them wing humanoids. But man, that is like you know that
in dog Man. I mean, it's probably like my one, two,
and three as far as best things to talk about well, of course most
people know that. I was in junior high in Michigan at the time,
November sixty six, and we come off the wave of UFO sightings in March,
you know where Heinech came down and said some of them swamp gasts.
Right. Well, the foo went November, right the found of November,
it hit the wire services. And if you go into the Mothmam Museum,
of course, Jeff Wansley has collected all these newspaper articles. You'll even see
in the Stars and Stripes military newspaper that first report of the winged humanoid that
chase the two couples down Route six too. And I remember reading that and
I thought, how cool is that? You know, I mean it really,
it really is. And then uh, later on I started reading like
you probably did, John Keel's articles and so forth. Ye, yeah,
fascinating, just you know it was, It's just amazing and for people to
downplay what the eyewitnesses saw and uh, you know, of course, you
know, you know her very well. Let this Sigma and I was able
to talk with her at Monster Fest last year, and that that was like
such a thrill to talk with her. And Terry you have to make.
I can't wait for you to meet her because she's just it was a fat
I still have to listen to your podcast with her. Remember we never did
listen to that, you know, just to just to hear an encounter.
Yeah, she's she's so credible. Yes, yes, I mean, come
on, that's not a sand hill crane, guys, come on, I
mean, it's like that doesn't do justice to what these peop people who lived
down there all their life, what they saw. Its actually an insult to
them, you know, And just warning you it is. It is a
long podcast, it's about two hours. And part of the reason is the
guest co host was the Creature Seeker you know who that is, right,
Oh yeah, yes, he might be a little winded sometimes and all good,
good stuff. But but anyway, the thing is you want to stay
with it to the end because Linda Siegmund has had bigfoot type activity out in
the general area where she lives in a in a rural area around Parkersburg.
I mean, bizarre stuff and some of it mimics what Ron Moorehead went through
with all the noises and the things, you know, beating on the house
and anyway, it's just it's really fascinating. So I mean there's yeah,
yeah, there's a lot lot going on there. Uh and uh yeah,
so that's uh one other things. You know, it made me something that
kind of corroborates the uh, the Scarberry and the Mallet encounter. Those the
two couples that on November fifteenth, nineteen sixty six, were by the old
North Power Plant in the tt area. They saw this six seven foot tall
creature ten foot wingspan, red glowing eyes that chased them into Point Pleasant.
Well some years later, not too long ago, a few years back,
Jeff Walmsley, who runs them Offman Museum, was approached by a woman who
used to be a nurse at the hospital there and she said, you know,
that night two women were admitted late at night to be treated for shock,
and she did not know who they were for sure. So Jeff went
to Linda Scarberry and said, Linda, were you and Mary admitted to the
hospital that night? And she said, yeah, they treated us for shock.
You know, we went in there late. So that's isn't that interesting
how that kind of collaborates. I mean, if they were just spinning a
wild tail, they would not have gone to those lengths to pretend like they
were they needed help and medical help. So's that's really fast. And I
guess one other before we go to intermission? What other quick greats? You
know you hear these great stories from from Jeff. I mean he's he's in
the heart of it. He was six years old when all this stuff is
going on. So you know how in the Mothman Museum, uh uh,
Andy and Brandy, there's the uh there's display all kinds of displays, including
the men in black. You know, you got the mannequins with the black
suits, the Fedora's, the dark sunglasses, and an explanation as to what
was going on. So one day Jeff's mom is in there and she's looking
at the displaying. She says, what is this? So Jeff explains to
his mom, you know that, Well, it's the men in black and
blah blah blah. And she said, you know, we used to see
them down in Point Pleasant. Oh wow. And Jeff goes, mom,
you know how long I've been into this and you're you're just telling me this
now? And he said, well, where were you seeing them? And
she said Mary Hire's office. Oh yeah, wow. Intermission time you are
listening to The High Strangeress Factor copyrighted on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. Today,
Andy Brandy and I are are is celebrating our fifth anniversary with Brian and
Terry Seech researchers and investigators into the unknown. And okay, now this is
we won't spend a whole lot of time on this, I don't think,
but it's tradition. Brian, we have to talk about the Mothman Prophecies film.
He just ran into the restroom breaking he took off. Well that's quite
all right, Well we will ambush him when he gets back. Yes,
what I what I want to Well, the first question I'm going to ask
him is we're gonna we will set it up to remind people what we're talking
about. But uh, what I what I want to know is, don't
tell me if you know that the amount of time? But have you guys
ever time the amount of seconds that Brian is on screen? No, okay,
that would be interesting. It would be a the stopwatch would have to
move very quickly, I think. But nonetheless, oh wait, he's gonna
he was gonna ask you someone and it was like Glenn sol because you weren't
That's all right, bathroom breaks are perfectly acceptable on the high strangers fector so,
Brian, what we're doing is we're going to, uh, because it's
tradition, We're going to at least for a little bit, revisit the Mothman
Prophecies movie. Okay, So now that set this up for people. Uh.
This this came out twenty years ago now with Richard gear Laura Lenny,
uh, Alan Bates, and it was the film based on the uh Mothman
Prophecies book by John Keel and UH, let me just tell a quick story
here. Uh, I got to speak to Richard HadAM. Richard Haddam was
the screenwriter for The Mothman Prophecy. Now, when I first saw the film
in the theater, I was a little disappointed. I thought I would have
wanted more of the book to come forth. But as I watched it more
and more, I thought, well, you know what, they really did
do a good job of bringing forth some of the basic ideas. And that's
exactly the way John Keel felt. In Brent Rains his book John Keel,
The Man, the Myths and the Ongoing Mysteries, he talked to Sandra Martin.
Sandra Martin was John Keel's literary agent, and John Keel talked to her
the moment he read Richard had him screenplay, he was so happy. He
was laughing and he said, you know, he said, look, they've
updated it, and they've got me married and so forth. But they finally
that there's somebody that finally captured some of the underlying ideas of the book.
Apparently prior to that they were just writing screenplays where they were turning Mothman into
a monster. So the cool thing was Richard had Adam did not know this,
and I was able to tell him that, how how wonderful John Keel
thought his screenplay was right to his face. So that was that was very
cool, really cool. So uh uh, and we talked a lot more
about it. They gave him all kinds of instructions. They didn't want the
UFO thing played up, they wanted the Mothman thing played up and so forth.
But anyway, very interesting. Okay, so, uh, you're an
extra in this film. But first tell us how was it that you got
a line on this? How did you get involved in this? Uh?
We're I think so we both saw it in that I think it was in
a newspaper, right so we we both sent it. He found out Nancy
moss or Casting Agency were taking applications for extras and he wanted to put his
application in and he made me do mine too at the same time. And
she actually could have been in the which scene was on. I was called
for the Christmas Christmas scene, but she didn't want to gotten at the bridge,
but it would have been I would have gone by myself. And it
was at night. You had to report at ten pm and it was in
containing. It was a little far ride, right, Yeah, so I
turned it down so we could have we could have tried to pick you out
in that crowd scene at night. And also our friend, our friend Dwayne
Pentoff was in it. Yes, they showed him real quick in the scene
also, but they part cut part of his scene, right, Yes,
he said that they cut part of it. He was the sheriff, I
believe or something like that, and they cut that part. But I still
think that he does have a quick cameo and he doesn't. He shot me
a screenshot of it and you could just barely see he's like a it looks
almost like a shadow person in the background. Yeah, okay, but but
heck you guys both have more time in it than I do. So it
was so cool. It was like I told you, we took we went
at night, okay, and we that's probably the last, like maybe one
other night movie because you know, we're we're cheap. We can't afford to
come in the night. So we took my mom, my mom and my
brother. And so we're sitting there and the scene come up. I said,
I go to my mom. I said there I and then I was
off. I couldn't even say there, I am there. I okay for
people to DVD play it, pause it at his scene just to see where
he was, and I'm the guy with the briefcase, and Steve is Steve
really once that briefcase I have. I have ripped on Brian about the briefcase
and also here here's the other thing. But we're going to tell people where
you were in the movie in just a moment. But another thing is that
on Saturday night at the at the T and G Hey ride at the Mothman
Festival where the men in black try to turn you away and there's a guaranteed
fly over the Mothman. Occasionally Brian and Terry will be on there and one
of the first things Brian says, Hey, Steve, did you know I
was in the Mothmand prophecy? And that's my cue to just rip on Brian.
I told people one time that he went to the little commissary there.
What all the food was? He stuffed his briefcase full of food and they
didn't have to buy groceries for two weeks. Hey, I tell you what,
see, they fed you pretty good. I will say that. I'll
get well, that's cool. It was. It's not like a great experience,
but you have to set up for people that if they haven't seen the
movie, or if they have, where do they find And by the way,
I asked Harry, when you were indisposed, did you ever time the
number of seconds you're on the screen? Was it two or three seconds?
It wasn't It wasn't that long at all. Did we actually time it?
I don't know. It might have just been two or three seconds, but
that's better than nothing. Yeah, I mean it was because I remember,
I mean I had the briefcase and what I was wearing, and the other
guy, you know, the other guy with me, and it was funny.
We were right before we did that walk Richard Gear was in a trailer
right next to us. So we're looking in the window and he's sitting there
and it was a cold, blustery day too. It was I think we
did it around the sometime in November, but it was it was very cold.
And he's sitting there and they're blow drying his hair and we're looking at
each other. He goes, that's what it must be to be a movie
sign and then people people were looking at us because like there's a trailer there
was We're standing there, and then they had like a line and then there
was people watching from like behind the thing. You couldn't obviously didn't see him
in the thing, but they're looking at us. And then you know,
we're like, hey, maybe this is what it is to be a movie
star. They're looking at We're laughing, and we really it was fun.
Anyone ever gets a chance to to be in a big movie like that,
now we I got you. I've gotten the opportunity. The last four or
five years, I've been in some smaller did their movies, but they're independent.
I've been in uh it's called Crossing Pass one and two Flat Woods,
which was a very loosely based on the flat. I think you might have
seen that one Steve Fred was in, and then another one Fred and I
were in called It's a horror movie Beasts of our Fathers about Bigfoot. And
so I've I've gotten to be in four other movies where I actually talk and
you actually see me. So it's it's a blast that if you got anyone
gets a chance to do that, just do it. I mean, I'm
having a blast. And uh, this last one we were I was a
drug counselor drug counselor in Crossing Past one and two, and in the second
one, Terry got the sit in and we did take after take of this
one scene. And then to finally see it, we just got the DVD
about three weeks ago, and to see it's like, yeah, I didn't
do half a bad job, but they made us take it over Terry and
over, and she's like, you don't even have that many lines. Just
screw them up, so they what you see? You know, it's interesting.
It's funny too. The very first one that I did, I did
it on a basketball court with the you know, with the same kid that
I did in the second, and we had no lines. They said,
ad libit. It was all ad libbed. There was not one you know,
he said basically say this. You know you could say something like this.
And his name is James Ross. He like at one point he yelled
at me and he said why did you leave me? Or you never called
me or something? And I'm like, okay, I gotta think on my
feet. I said, hey, you know my phone's always there. I
must not. I just did it spontaneously and it, uh, it actually
turned out pretty good. I mean, I was like, okay, Brian,
you didn't make a total fool out of yourself. So you're telling me
that on the Mothmann prophecies you could. Guys did not have makeup people.
We did not have they said, I believe it or not. I was
wearing a tiny suit though you can't see him so far back there were you
were? You wearing a trench coat? A trench coat? Yeah? Wow,
trench coat, briefcase and and isn't it true that they made you do
it over again? Yeah? We did it three or fourth times. The
first time we walked too slow, and the guys said, come on,
come on, speed it up. You got to walk Bastroom'm like, okay,
well, I don't know. We were walking wrong, you know,
but it was fun. It was It's so cool. I'm glad that you
know, and you heard that. The rumors is they want to make a
second one, right, like, is that is that a real rumor?
Is that a Brian Steech rumor? No? No, no, no,
no, it was a rumor that I said, I'm going to be the
main focus of it. That's the rumor. But no, they they had
claimed that which is named Mark Pellington had talked about we would like to make
some kind of a sequel. It would be great because if I always wanted
them to, because they could develop some of those ideas further. But exactly,
but still we have to set up for people that haven't seen this or
have and don't have no idea where you are and this set it up.
Now when this scene is in, was it a shot in Pittsbury yet it's
heed you're learning, but it's it's supposed to be a double for Chicago,
right, yes, okayet set this up for us. Tell us where to
find Brian Siege in the epic Mothband prophecies. So uh, Richard Gear and
Alan Bates, it's the part they they they're walking up the cathedral steps to
go into the library for the next scene. So as they're walking up,
they walk up, and as they're going into the the cathedral, myself and
another gentleman are walking towards towards the screen. I'm the one on the left
with the with the briefcase. And it's only literally it's like maybe two seconds.
And we even had to stop on posit posit go frame by frame and
like there it is. But yeah, it was. It was a blast,
and it was something that you know, if I ever get the opportunity,
because it's you know, Nancy Moster out of Pittsburgh. They do a
lot of different movies, and there was a they also did which and the
one Batman where some of the Pittsburgh Steelers were in it, and it was
Batman with Bane and I forget what the name of that was. And I
wanted to go up there but for that scene, but I just I never
put in for it, you know what I mean. Now, So when
they when they showed this movie in theaters, do you get residuals like maybe
thirty eight cents? Yeah, no, I get nothing. We wish I
don't get nothing for not one paycheck for that day and that was Oh was
it like eighty eight bucks or something like that? Oh? Really yeah,
I think it was like eighty eight bucks. And I was there for what
like seven hours and all the food you can eat and I got, we
got we got breakfast, and we got a late lunch already dinner. Yeah.
Yeah. They had a lunch truck and he just had a lunch truck
and they said, here's the extras whatever they wanted to get. You know,
it was cool, very good. You know, those those scenes between
Richard Gear and Alan Bates are just super oh exactly exactly whether they're outside talking
or whether they're inside in the supposed to the library or his office. Those
uh, those scenes, and and the scene where Richard Gear is supposedly talking
to this injured cold over the phone are also exceptionally well done. Yep,
it was it was cool. I really would like to see some kind of
a sequel, but this time maybe focus on at least show the creature.
I mean technically we did it. When we got it. We actually slowed
down the scene where what's your name was driving and it came flying up right,
so did I. And then you actually see you see a little bit
of the eyes and right, well, the one one idea he had Penllington
was less is more. He didn't want to overdo it, and to a
degree, that's correct. He could have had a little bit more. But
it'd be interesting to see what they could do with a sequel. And like
I say, they could really, uh, they could do really something pretty
pretty special. Okay, Well, I always I always love the Mothsman movie
section when we get together. Very cool. Uh, anything else about that
you want to talk about that that people should know about. Now you've seen
the two scrap books I have of that, right I showed you. Oh
yeah, that's right. I actually loan them to Rosemary and she actually,
uh I think took some material off for one of her books that she did
and very good. Yeah, so maybe that like whenever we whenever we're close
to death or whatever, we'll send it on the jets. He can put
him in, but he can put him in the library. We donate him
to the museum. I have many plans when I'm close to death as well,
but I don't know, you know how to how to determine that exactly?
Well, you know, you you know, as files always has more
room for stuff. Yes, I know, not really, but we we'll
make you've seen up there, and yes, well I don't have much from
here either, and the books are really stacking up. Mhm. So what
do you get pressed? I was impressed with your library, and we do.
I told Terry we'd like to come down sometimes and just like just hang
with you and just look through yourself. Yeah. Yes, and I'm actually
pardon me, I'm actually getting to the point where people can move around the
library a little bit better. So I'm working. I'm working on that,
and uh, I can't I can't wait to have that, uh a little
bit better organized. That would be be really cool. Then I'll have an
open house for paranormal investigators. We'll be down there right. Where are your
first guests? So where are you guys going from here? What do you
have any any big plans, any goals or or what Now that you're you're
pretty much settled in. Uh, the s files is is squared away.
Where any any any plans, big plans, little plans. Well, we
have a couple of cases that we're going to follow up on here, like
right right as the weather breaks one. Oh yeah, well, when we
told you that we wrote articles for the Hancock County Courier. We're going to
put that in a book form with Fred and try to get that out.
This year we did twenty six between me and him, with mostly him.
I'm not going to lie. We're going to put that in a book form
and add to it. And then after that is we're going to start our
books down here. So as far as that we we actually you actually have
to type all that stuff up. Okay, So but that's first, and
then we have a couple of investigations. We have one really cool investigation that
we're really looking forward to. We found out about this. I'm trying to
think when end of October. So there was a gentleman along with four other
of his his family eyewitnesses who they saw They were around the campfire up in
it's a place called a Parker up in the Butler where you know Butler Conny
Wheredan lives. And they were at around the fire one night and they look
over and they see this. They said it looked like a werewolf. The
guy said it looked like the werewolf from Harry Potter when the one professor turns
into a Now, I I did not like Harry Potter. I was not
a big fan of it, so I don't even know which one it's in.
I've got to watch. It is in the third one. Okay.
So they look at this thing and it's crouched down by this they have this
They had this rim like this big bucket that they just threw corn and some
stuff, and they said this thing was like hunched over it. It grabbed
the bucket, picked it up, and it looked at him like, hey,
you're looking at me, gave him an attitude, and then it turned
around and it walked with this bucket. And the next morning they found it.
Most of the stuff was eating and the bucket was a little bit hammered.
You know. So there's like I think four to five eyewitnesses who we
hope to interview when we go up there. Their campus closed now, so
we hope in the spring to get up there and this will be you know,
we've had some you know, we've done maybe fourteen or fifteen over the
years, over the long years of these dog man siting. This will be
the first one we've had multiple eyewitnesses to seeing one of these things. So
we're we're gonna take up the crew and have you know, interview as many
people as they can get. That actually saw that we're gonna have different people
interview them and get some pictures and see how far they were away from this
thing and so that, and then we have another one to do. This
gentleman is seeing he's had some light anomalies in Freedom Beaver Connie where we used
to live, and he showed us some really cool pictures. Now he has
a a deer cam mounted close to uh. They have a spring and I
see there's running water spring and they're getting some some weird, weird light anomalies.
And I asked you if we can come up here and take some readings
and you know, take the EMF and you know, take the electromagnet.
What's that called the EMF meter, and there's something else with it, a
trifle meter. Sorry field, Okay, right, okay, So we intend
to go up there on a Saturday and get some picks and see if we
can come up with any readings there. Those are the two two big ones,
and we have maybe one or two playing with Jamie and Jenny doing some
frequencies. Along with Jamie Jenny Kings, who you really got to get on
your show. They're awesome doing some frequencies along with they do the c SETI
protocol from uh his name, uh Stephen Breer. Yes, so we we
intend to maybe add the two together and maybe do some other things. I'm
still kind of figure out how I want to incorporate three or four different things
at the same time, especially being by Shinango Lake, being right next to
the lake. Water is a great conductor and just to see what would happen
out there. So we do. We have a lot planned once, you
know, about two months or whatever, we're going to start these Well,
you know, I was involved with one of a couple of the c SET
protocols as well in Michigan with Sherildan Carter, and I never really you know,
I never really experienced much of anything. There might have been some strange
light anomalies in the sky that I'm am always looking in the wrong direction.
But I heard a lot of interesting stories about by people that have been involved
in these groups, and so I don't know if it's a matter of people
getting together in the same state of consciousness creating some of the stuff, or
if they're actually really pulling in some kind of other intelligence. But Andy knows
this Cher was on the show once before. She had her try field meter.
And it's hard to describe this, but we I had my my EMF
meter. At one point it kind of slowly crept up a lot higher than
normal. And we're out in the middle of every part ar kind of in
a depression, out in the middle of nowhere, well away from traffic and
so forth. And she took a photograph of the of the lens on the
Trifield meter, and on it is a like a like part of a hand,
like a small hand. But the way it's filmed is uh, it's
kind of the wrong way and it's small, and it's black and white,
but it's kind of oh yeah, it's just it's so bizarre. I mean
it's it's a real, real image, real physical image. And we both,
you know, we are our meters were both registering something. Now I
don't know what the hell this was, but it took place during one of
these C city sessions. That's interesting. I'll live in Michigan. Yes,
she's north of Detroit, one of the suburbs there. We would love to
get I would love to get her down and and does she get presentations to
I mean, oh yes, yes, I saw some of her presentations at
the Michigan New Fund Group. Wow, that would be that could be a
name. If Dan can't get anybody, I'd love to bring her down.
And she's got she's got some great books too. Yeah, I have the
one about the the triangles or the places what does she call it? Uh,
the I forget but she used the term, uh, yeah, I
forget. Yeah. But if that's the idea, that's a really good that's
a really good book. And hey, Steve, real quick, just yeah,
I want to plug this here too. Uh. I just got this
book and maybe you have it already. It's called Winged Aliens from Margie k
No I do not. Okay, So I'm actually gonna be on her show
on my birthday, and so I wanted to do a little bit of reading.
And although although she does limp you know, uh lump like thunderbirds and
sightings that look more like birds, I'm just interested in the humanoids and there's
a lot in here. It's a really good book, Steve. It's if
you get a shot to or you know, I'll put the uh, I'll
put the link on when I go on it. Okay. Actually, actually
on my birthday in about a month back here, right, a month from
today? Right? Yeah? And shall we shall we ask how old you're
going to be, Brian, you don't really want those, okay, I
won't ask. If you don't ask, just say I'm getting perisally close to
the big six up. Oh yeah, I passed that a while ago.
No big deal, No big deal. Well, listen, Andy, Brandy,
anything I've missed. Any other avenues you want to pursue. I'm kind
of curious, do you too, at this Bigfoot conference or Butler or anywhere
else that you go, do you actually lead tours with folks out into the
field to do investigations out there or is everything you do kind of just your
own little group of researchers. No, we haven't done any leading anybody out
into the woods. We only we basically do our own core group. The
Butler conference is at a place where there's really nowhere that you you know,
it's not near a wooded area or anything. It's at a facility. It's
called the Tangle Wood's a senior center, so it's a like a big hall
like up from the downtown Butler and the other places where we've done it at
parks and stuff. We just did camp outs and did the conference. We
really haven't done anything. Well, No, the one place we did while
it was a Beaver Creek When we did that, it was a Halloween presentation
that we put on and they had us just lead people through the woods a
lantern tour. Yeah. Right, it was campground, but it's like on
the outskirts of the campground. Yeah, it was pretty fun. Yeah.
There we talked about ghosts and bigfoots and sightings that happened at the park there.
And that was the actual night that we actually heard the Ohio Howe,
like about one hundred or two in the morning. Yeah, coming from the
Uh, I'm from the park, I'm guessing right. Yeah. Did the
whole group period or did just the two of you hear it? There was
four of us. It was me and Brian and Dave and Carrie, and
we were getting ready. It was like close to two o'clock in the morning.
We were getting ready to go to bed. The rest of the camp
was already, everything was quiet, and we were the last Florida head to
bed when we heard it, and we just looked at each other and our
draws jaws drop. We heard it one time and we heard it maybe for
what maybe eight to ten seconds. And what's interesting about that when that happened.
The next morning, we went up and we pulled over above the village
and this lady came, ass Hey, have you seen my dog? I
said no. She explained that she says, last night something happened and it
broke free, something spooked her, something spook the dogs out of its pen,
and she says, it's never done that before. And so we got
the lady's name and stuff. So once we got home, we waited about
what I think three days afterwards. When we called her up, the dog
did come back home, so hey, you know, and that where her
house was was right down from the campground, so yeah, we heard it.
They would have heard it. I mean, the dog would have heard
it even more because it was closer. So could that be, you know,
could the dog have heard it and spooked it and ran away? I
don't know, but at least it was a happy ending. The dog did
come back. Were you too able to go to kind of go to the
area where you thought the sound was coming from the next day to kind of
look around and see if you could find any tracks or any kind of evidence
that something might have been in the area or was it even hard to distinguish
where it was really coming from. We did go down into the area and
the picnic the village and the picnic area, but it was it was hard
to distinguish. We were up on a hill, so it was hard to
figure out like which direction it came from. And you know, down in
that hall, you know the hollow down there, it does echo and so
but it did seem generally to be coming from down there. Okay, but
he didn't. You weren't able to uncover any evidence or anything unfortunately. No.
Wow. We we tried, but we're not the greatest track finders,
that's for sure. We do try those deeps. We try. Just so
you know, Andy is with us, but he's having technical difficulties and his
his microphone isn't working. So he's with us here more than in spirit.
He's actually here, but technology is failing again. M h that's that's that's
a bummer. Yeah, yep, Well you know guys, uh, it's
it's always good to have you here. You guys make the shows really easy.
And uh uh read any anything else to close before we uh uh uh
uh before we head out, Just I would say, it's just another successful
anniversary show. Well, thank you, let's see and you give it a
shot. Go ahead and just blast out and see if we can hear you.
Hello, hello nothing? Oh yes, yes, you keep cutting out
for some reason that the volume barders goes to maximum and obviously no one's hearing
me. So that's very strange. I'm one a very old laptop. My
computer has the main died yesterday. I've been trying to get it working laughing
then with no luck at all. So the result of this old laptop,
So what's causing the problem for me? But that's an interesting listening to you
guys. I could enjoy it, but then I didn't need to. It's
been fascinating to see you guys talking. Well, it's thanks yeah, thanks
for having us home. We appreciate it. We we always look forward to
talking to Steve and seeing him and hopefully, like I said, Steve,
the you can you know, the invitations open, you could stay here for
Butler. Well, that would be great. I'm kind of planning on it,
uh, unless I decide to get this other knee fixed, but we
might wait on that. Yeah, do it afterwards. Good idea, good
idea. So Uh, I guess, Andy, Brandy, I guess we'll
go ahead and close it out. Sure, Okay, Well, uh,
Andy, it's been great doing this this many years. Again. UH never
would have guessed that that I would have been able to stay the course this
long. And UH absolutely appreciate you being here and being the producer and and
uh being part of the show. It's always good fun. You can do
more regularly this year. Well, I actually have a list of people,
uh, including a besto who wants to be in our show, and there's
a few other ones, so we should be I think we should be able
to keep a fairly regular schedule again. And Brandy, so good to have
you here on the anniversary show. Yes, thank you so much. A
happy anniversary, and it's been my honor to be here. The High Strangeress
Factor was created by Steve Ward and Andy Mercer and his copyright on the Paranormal
UK Radio Network. I want to thank as always our fearless leaders here at
the network, Irene Alan Block, Mark Johnson and Andy Mercer. And Andy
also for his role as producer and composer of the closing theme. Brian Zeller
composed the opening theme. You can also hear me as a correspondent on Macmoney's
Military x files on this same network and many other platforms. And I am
Steve Ward, your humble host here on the High Strangest Factor, a displaced
Michigander deep in the Ohio Valley, on the fringes of downtown Point Pleasant,
living in the same road that the wing Garuda made its presence. No,
thank you all for listening. We will see you all again in a fortnight.
Take care,