1 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:34,399 Welcome to this edition of The High Strength Is Factor, copyrighted on the Paranormal 2 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,799 UK Radio Network. On the High Strength Is Factor, Andy Mercer and I 3 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:44,600 cover all aspects of the unexplained and paranormal. Today we are celebrating our fifth 4 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:49,359 anniversary, even though there has been a hiatus or two in the meantime, 5 00:00:50,759 --> 00:00:56,039 and we will introduce our regular anniversary guests in just a moment. Andy, 6 00:00:56,159 --> 00:00:59,600 great to be back here. And did you dream that we will be doing 7 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,359 this up to about five years? I know, it's been quite amazing how 8 00:01:03,679 --> 00:01:07,599 that time has flown by. It really has. Yeah, we're with a 9 00:01:07,599 --> 00:01:11,840 break of that sort of half of last year. Isn't now pretty much continuous 10 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,359 since we first started. I have to miss quite a few shows, but 11 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,000 now I am more free show we say my diary, So I'm going to 12 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:25,560 do more shows hopefully. And let's bring Brandy in our special guest co host 13 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,439 Brandy, Welcome back to The High Strangers Factor. Thank you so much for 14 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,560 having me back, and happy anniversary. I'm so honored to be here today. 15 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:36,400 Well, it's great to have you. You've been here for many really 16 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:41,680 great shows, and ladies and gentlemen, the rumor is that Brandy actually listens 17 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:49,280 to the high strangers factor. Okay, let's let's get right into it and 18 00:01:49,319 --> 00:01:55,560 we will introduce our special guests. And anybody that has listened to past Anniversary 19 00:01:55,599 --> 00:02:01,079 shows knows exactly who these people are. Long time Beaver County, Pennsylvania residents 20 00:02:01,319 --> 00:02:06,840 who recently moved to Hancock County, West Virginia, Brian and Terry Seech have 21 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:12,639 been researching the paranormal and unexplained since nineteen eighty six. Brian has appeared on 22 00:02:12,759 --> 00:02:17,120 Monsters and Mysteries in America and has been featured on several independent films, and 23 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:23,000 was an extra in the mock band Propheci's movie filmed in Pittsburgh, I Said 24 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:28,719 That with a straight Face Area and recently appeared on Small Town Monsters series Sasquash 25 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,919 On Earthed the Ridge, and the Mountain State Monsters. He and Terry have 26 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:38,639 appeared on various Internet radio shows and podcasts. Bryan also co wrote articles for 27 00:02:38,719 --> 00:02:43,879 the Creature Chronicles column in the Hancock County Courier in West Virginia from August through 28 00:02:43,879 --> 00:02:49,240 November twenty thirteen. Brian also was a co instructor along with Fred Seluga, 29 00:02:49,599 --> 00:02:55,560 who the first ever Cryptozoology class at Eastern Gateway College in Steubenville, Ohio. 30 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,400 Brian and Terry are founders of their own groups, Q Center for Unexplained Events, 31 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:07,400 formed in nineteen eighty seven and CCS Center for Cryptozoological Studies, founded in 32 00:03:07,479 --> 00:03:15,319 twenty twelve. The most recent endeavor is a project named LAE Light Anomaly Exploration, 33 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:22,199 started in May twenty nineteen, which researches and explores the light anomalies reported 34 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:27,080 over the years. Both Brian and Terry have co sponsored the Butler Paranormal Conference 35 00:03:27,319 --> 00:03:31,800 since two thousand and seven. They are former field investigators for mwfon the Mutual 36 00:03:31,879 --> 00:03:38,439 UFON network, and Terry was a former state Section director for MWFON of Pennsylvania. 37 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,240 You can find both groups on Facebook, along with a new page, 38 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,919 Strange Tales of the Tri State Triangle on Facebook. They currently come to you 39 00:03:47,199 --> 00:03:52,560 from a holler outside of Weirton, West Virginia, in the Northern Panhandle. 40 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,039 Brian and Terry, welcome back to the Highest Rangers Factor. I S. 41 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:04,120 Thank you. Are those dorks? Oh, I don't know, they're just 42 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:06,719 so blown up with their own self importance. You know how that goes? 43 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,120 I mean, I mean, there's nobody like that in the in the paranormal 44 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,360 field. Not done at all. Thank god. Well, really thanks for 45 00:04:15,399 --> 00:04:19,120 coming back, you guys. This is a real treat and it's kind of 46 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:23,800 a it's a great tradition to have to have you guys back on our anniversary 47 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:28,360 shows. Oh, it's our pleasure. So heck where to start? Uh? 48 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,160 What kind of catch us up a little bit? Now? We Uh, 49 00:04:32,759 --> 00:04:35,959 we've talked about you moving to West Virginia before. Now, how long 50 00:04:35,959 --> 00:04:43,319 have you been in West Virginia now? A little over two years? All 51 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,160 two and a half. And I happen to know you're in a really great 52 00:04:47,199 --> 00:04:51,279 place. I've had the pleasure of visiting your humble abode deep in the holler 53 00:04:51,959 --> 00:04:56,480 up in the Panhandle there, and it is it's really it's it's it's very 54 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,279 picturesque. I mean, you guys, your house could actually be on a 55 00:04:59,319 --> 00:05:04,560 calendar. I mean, you've got it's an older house, but we love 56 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,480 it. You've got a brook, You've got cats, you know, you've 57 00:05:08,519 --> 00:05:15,800 got everything. Yeah, and birds and turkeys and deer. Oh and also 58 00:05:15,959 --> 00:05:19,399 a driveway. Will you take your life in your hands getting out of the 59 00:05:19,439 --> 00:05:25,839 main road, Yeah, exactly. Try try going over there. Every every 60 00:05:25,879 --> 00:05:29,879 morning or every afternoon and getting the mail. It's like a scene from pet 61 00:05:29,959 --> 00:05:34,759 Cemetery trying to cross the road. So what's it been like there? I 62 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,959 mean, what what what's changed for you? Or what what new avenues have 63 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:45,600 opened since you've been there in this area? Well basically, uh, you 64 00:05:45,639 --> 00:05:48,319 know being down here, you know, a whole new, different state. 65 00:05:49,079 --> 00:05:56,720 Although it actually we're only what about seven miles from the water right and we're 66 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,839 getting to do new it's born in new places. Is meeting new people, 67 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:08,279 uh, and just just getting the word about both groups out there. We've 68 00:06:08,319 --> 00:06:14,279 had two done to Thomlinson. Thomlinson are on Bigfoot Days. We're going to 69 00:06:14,399 --> 00:06:18,000 do a third this year. We're going to be doing the West Virginia Northern 70 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:24,759 Panhandle Conference and I think you did see the poster Steve that we posted. 71 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:30,240 Yes, yes, that'll be May fourth and brook Kills Playhouse. And it's 72 00:06:30,319 --> 00:06:32,800 just fun. It's fun to be in a new place, you know, 73 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:40,000 after living all of our lives in basically one state, and you've taken as 74 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,959 you know, moving to West Virginia. Your yes, absolutely, just a 75 00:06:44,519 --> 00:06:47,120 lot of people we know have moved to West Virginia for one reason or another. 76 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,040 And of course I'm deep in the heart of Point Pleasant, West Virginia, 77 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:56,439 home with the moths Man. But uh uh let's see, uh now, 78 00:06:56,519 --> 00:06:59,360 are there are there active groups there? I mean, do you have 79 00:06:59,399 --> 00:07:05,839 like meetings with different local groups out that way? Well? What fred Fred 80 00:07:05,879 --> 00:07:12,360 Zeluga is here with the group West Virginia q okay, And that's the only 81 00:07:12,439 --> 00:07:15,720 other other group that as of right now that we you know, that's in 82 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:20,040 the in the that's in the vicinity here. Yeah. About about how far 83 00:07:20,079 --> 00:07:26,879 away is you from you guys group? Well, he used to be five 84 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,079 miles, but now he's a little further, maybe about nine miles now. 85 00:07:32,079 --> 00:07:36,759 And have you have you been picking up any other like interesting reports and it's 86 00:07:36,839 --> 00:07:41,439 just from being out there, do you are you picking up other reports of 87 00:07:41,519 --> 00:07:46,959 cryptids or or paranormal phenomena out that way? Yeah? We uh we still 88 00:07:46,959 --> 00:07:50,560 we still I think at the last time we talked to you, we're still 89 00:07:50,959 --> 00:07:59,399 researching the Beast of Bell Hill. And if anybody has caught Sasquatch on Earth 90 00:07:59,439 --> 00:08:05,439 moldin State Monsters, there's a whole episode just about I think it's called Season 91 00:08:05,439 --> 00:08:09,800 of the Sasquatch. I think is what the name of the episode is and 92 00:08:09,879 --> 00:08:15,399 we go to Tomlinson Run and we hiked down there and we talk about that 93 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:20,920 sighting and some other sightings that we've had down here, including this. Uh. 94 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:28,240 We got a report I think it was last on Chober of a basically 95 00:08:28,319 --> 00:08:31,399 a creature that the guy he drew it for us. It kind of looks 96 00:08:31,439 --> 00:08:35,399 like the Jersey Devil, he said, the closest thing that I could equate 97 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,200 to what this thing was. It looked like the Jersey Devil. It had 98 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,240 wings, it almost had like a horse like head. And they were out 99 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:48,240 looking for deer in Brook County, which is the county right next to Hancock 100 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,919 County, right below Hancock County, and he said he saw these two two 101 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:58,480 deer running out of the bushes and this thing, the Jersey Devil, whatever 102 00:08:58,519 --> 00:09:01,080 you want to call it. It started to walk. It took like three 103 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:05,000 steps, and he said, and then it spread its wings and it flew 104 00:09:05,039 --> 00:09:09,320 up in the air and flew away. Now, he we haven't been able 105 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,039 to meet up with him to take us to the spot because he's been sick. 106 00:09:11,159 --> 00:09:13,840 So we hope to do that here in a couple of months. That 107 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:20,879 was one of the new one of the new ones re received. Wow wow, 108 00:09:20,279 --> 00:09:28,320 yeah, and that you feel the witness is credible. Yeah. He 109 00:09:28,399 --> 00:09:33,440 actually met us at the Thomlinson run Bigfoot Day and you know, him and 110 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,840 his son both saw this thing and just to look on his face when he 111 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:39,720 told us, he said, you know, you're not gonna believe this. 112 00:09:41,159 --> 00:09:43,559 He said, but this thing it looked like the you know what the Jersey 113 00:09:43,639 --> 00:09:50,360 Devil looked like. And we received another winged Nity report which was two years 114 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:54,120 ago. It took place about three years before that, and that was also 115 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,600 a Thomlinson run. This creature looked like a wing dentity type creature that actually 116 00:09:58,639 --> 00:10:01,360 flew over of the car. And I asked her, I said, you 117 00:10:01,399 --> 00:10:05,840 know, you're sure wasn't an owl thing, you know, Turkey vulture and 118 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:13,399 some of your usual suspects, very blue hair and husty. But she said 119 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:18,039 no, she said, you know this thing was actually when it flew over 120 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,679 the car, it cast a shadow over the whole car. He said, 121 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,080 it was huge. So Fritz Lugu when he was down here years ago, 122 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:30,960 he received a report also out of Hancock County of a mother and her daughter 123 00:10:31,879 --> 00:10:37,039 were camping outside of their their house here in Hancock County and they hear noise. 124 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:41,159 They were camped out by They had this huge trampoline and they look in 125 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:46,240 this winged humanoid creature actually crawled up on a trampoline and they kind of looked 126 00:10:46,279 --> 00:10:48,799 at him, and then it flew up into the tree and then it flew 127 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:54,960 away. So we do believe that we're in an area, very untapped area 128 00:10:56,039 --> 00:11:00,600 for sightings. We received also a talk to a gentleman who claims that he 129 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:07,399 saw a black panther at the Brook County landfill. So and other blackmanther you 130 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,600 know, people were starting to say, hey, you know, we know 131 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:15,399 somebody who saw We never really talk to anyone else, but apparently there's been 132 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:20,120 black panther sightings down here. So it is a very interesting area down here, 133 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,720 you know. Rosemary Ellen Guiley, at the end of one of the 134 00:11:24,759 --> 00:11:28,720 Mothman festivals, got a report from a lady that lived in Cross Village, 135 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:33,639 isn't that far from Charleston, and she saw a creature that she described. 136 00:11:33,799 --> 00:11:37,279 She didn't know anything about the Jersey devil, but what she described was very 137 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,840 much like a Jersey devil as well. And that particular piece of land, 138 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:45,440 although it's right near a busy, little two lane highway was just they had. 139 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,679 We went over there to talk to them one time and it was just 140 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:54,039 bizarre. They were finishing each other's sentences. They were having classic haunting phenomena, 141 00:11:54,399 --> 00:11:58,840 seeing shadow people moving across the land, hearing like disembodied voices down on 142 00:11:58,879 --> 00:12:03,440 the holler, I seeing classic UFOs overhead. So it was this one little 143 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:09,679 spot was just a really highly active area and it was you topped off with 144 00:12:09,759 --> 00:12:13,399 some kind of a like a Jersey devil type creature. These uh, these 145 00:12:13,399 --> 00:12:16,639 big, big bigfoot days. How what are they attended? Well, we've 146 00:12:16,639 --> 00:12:20,480 had two so far, and the first one we had what over one hundred 147 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,480 and sixty some people. Yeah, it was well attended. The second one 148 00:12:22,519 --> 00:12:26,080 they didn't do as much advertising. They forgot to put it on. It 149 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,720 was also around the four fourth of July, we had about half We had 150 00:12:28,759 --> 00:12:33,440 about okay, about eighty. But still it's still pretty good attendant. Yeah. 151 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,440 Still you'll get a lot of people that are just really really interested in 152 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,519 the subject exactly we're you know, Fred's been down here, Fred Seluga, 153 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,480 He's been down here about like thirteen or fourteen years. And we've been down 154 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,240 here, Like I said, two and a half and it's really taken off 155 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,279 now people you know, you know, they know Fred here. Believe me, 156 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,279 they know Fred. Now they're starting to uh, some of them are 157 00:12:56,279 --> 00:13:01,080 starting to come to us. And a lot of it too with the small 158 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:05,720 town monsters. We actually talked to a guy today who found to Thomas and 159 00:13:05,799 --> 00:13:09,919 Run Park. He said he was at an area of the park which actually 160 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:15,240 is adjacent to where we filmed, you know, on a trail up in 161 00:13:15,639 --> 00:13:18,120 Thomlinson. And he says, you know what, He goes, I lived 162 00:13:18,159 --> 00:13:20,840 next to the park all my life. He said. About seven years ago, 163 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,200 we were out hiking and he said they got to this one area and 164 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,879 he said, he just he was a former military man and he says, 165 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,000 he said, you know what, I've never been spooked. I've never been 166 00:13:31,039 --> 00:13:33,960 scared. He said, but I was looking, I didn't see anything. 167 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,399 It was in the winter, and he said, but it felt like there 168 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,960 was something watching me. So we're actually going to go out Saturday. Him 169 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:45,399 and his daughter are coming. He's going to take us to the to this 170 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:46,600 exact spot. He says, if you want to do it, it's about 171 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,879 a mile back hike. I said, yeah, Because we're trying to plot 172 00:13:50,919 --> 00:13:54,919 all these areas where there's either been you know, alleged sighting. We got 173 00:13:54,919 --> 00:14:00,720 a report from a woman who claims it she was walking one of the which 174 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:05,360 would have been an adjacent trail, was walking with her dog and all of 175 00:14:05,399 --> 00:14:09,480 a sudden the dog stops and they hear this how. She said it sounded 176 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,919 like that one of the house from finding Bigfoot. So again we we had 177 00:14:13,919 --> 00:14:18,360 another report of a how coming from one of the cabins, and this would 178 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:22,399 have been about ten years ago. So we're starting to piece it together some 179 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,559 areas to start really looking heavily into. So it's it's gonna be a fun 180 00:14:26,639 --> 00:14:33,159 year. Now. Is that tell us about your experience with small town monsters 181 00:14:33,159 --> 00:14:39,399 and the UH the documentary you're part of. Yeah, we were. I 182 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:45,919 was, you know, in the first UH Sasquatch on Earth, the Ridge 183 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:50,240 and that that was in Pennsylvania, the Chestnut Ridge in Pennsylvania, and in 184 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,639 it, I talked about when we were in the Old pa Bigfoot Society and 185 00:14:52,639 --> 00:14:56,200 some of the things that we did, and we talked about Bigfoot and this 186 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:03,600 this late latest one Mountain Saint Monsters. It was strictly on West Virginia and 187 00:15:03,639 --> 00:15:05,559 Seth came and he filmed up you know, he filmed in our library. 188 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,200 And then another time Heather and some other some of the other members came and 189 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:16,759 then they filmed us walking in this trail at Tom and Thomas and run Front 190 00:15:16,759 --> 00:15:24,320 Park. Yeah, and has that Yeah that one? When did it? 191 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:30,000 Was it this summer October? I think it was for I think it started 192 00:15:30,039 --> 00:15:33,480 in the midsummer and ended beginning of September. It's like six episodes, I 193 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,240 think. Okay, yes, it's pretty good, you know, Yeah, 194 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:43,200 he does a a a well uh does a well produced documentary. Yes, 195 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,519 if I do say so myself. My my favorite might be the mock Band 196 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,320 Legacy, where I handsome Countenance in there occasionally. Yeah, there's a guy 197 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:54,320 that looks just like you on there. It was it was funny, you 198 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:58,360 know, it's it's playing in back of the Moth fam Museum. And I 199 00:15:58,399 --> 00:16:02,080 walked back the one time and the woman looks at me and says, were 200 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:03,159 you on that just now? And I said, yeah, that was me. 201 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:10,519 That was Well, that's pretty cool. I mean, it's it's part 202 00:16:10,559 --> 00:16:12,240 of one of his productions. Because uh, you know, I I've been 203 00:16:12,279 --> 00:16:17,360 filmed maybe I don't know, four times, maybe even five times on things 204 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:21,879 that have never materialized. Of course, there was there's the one What's what's 205 00:16:21,919 --> 00:16:27,000 that Mountain Devil four or five or whatever it is where it's kind of a 206 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:33,120 a mockumentary, yes, where where the evil subsquatches you can tell they're wearing 207 00:16:33,159 --> 00:16:36,720 shirts. You know. Somehow it takes the takes the terror out of it 208 00:16:36,799 --> 00:16:40,679 somehow. But uh uh, we were in that. We were in the 209 00:16:40,679 --> 00:16:44,679 first two, right right. You were in the legitimate ones. I was 210 00:16:44,679 --> 00:16:48,759 in the bizarre one. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny because a friend of 211 00:16:48,799 --> 00:16:52,080 ours, Dave Rupert, there's a scene where he's being attacked by a one 212 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:56,000 of these evil subsquatches outside, but the camera fades out, so you don't 213 00:16:56,039 --> 00:17:03,919 know whether the subsquatch killed him or ate him. Uh uh. Earlier, 214 00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:07,480 Brandy and I were talking a little bit about your light Anomaly group. Uh 215 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,440 can you can you talk to us a little bit about that? How what 216 00:17:11,519 --> 00:17:15,680 was the genesis of that and and uh how that got started. Well, 217 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:23,359 we we had been getting reports and people bigfoot researchers who uh they they've been 218 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,920 they were out, they were out, you know, researching bigfoot, and 219 00:17:26,039 --> 00:17:29,960 they said, you know what, we we saw these lights in the woods. 220 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,720 They looked like light spheres. They were they were either yellow white, 221 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:40,559 I think red, and they were in an area that that it had active 222 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:45,599 and was having active Bigfoot activity. So and then we started to hear from 223 00:17:45,599 --> 00:17:48,240 other researchers. You know, we talked to other researchers and they're like, 224 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,839 you know what, these these these are bigfoot people. They were out, 225 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,400 you know, they were out in the night expedition and they're seeing these strange 226 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,880 lights in the woods. So we've been hearing that for about ten years before 227 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:07,599 we started a project with a man named Todd Bonner and he he says, 228 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,559 we talked to him about these lights. He says, I could build you 229 00:18:11,599 --> 00:18:17,480 a frequency machine that might be able to how do we say it, interact 230 00:18:17,519 --> 00:18:26,720 with these things right, attract somehow, you know. And so he build 231 00:18:26,839 --> 00:18:29,559 us this thing. And we've been doing this for above four years now. 232 00:18:29,599 --> 00:18:33,160 It's like it's funny because I tell people, I'm like, we love this 233 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,720 project that we're doing. We've done about maybe thirteen or fourteen tests, we 234 00:18:37,839 --> 00:18:42,000 called them tests. It actually couldn't have come at a worse time because right 235 00:18:42,039 --> 00:18:47,519 when we started, we were in the process of getting our house ready to 236 00:18:47,559 --> 00:18:49,680 move, then we moved to her sisters, then we moved down here, 237 00:18:49,799 --> 00:18:53,440 then we got COVID, and so it's been a really we probably couldn't have 238 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,000 actually started at a worse time, believe it or not. But now that 239 00:18:57,079 --> 00:19:03,640 everything's pretty much a go, and uh, we do want it. We 240 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,920 have some some different ideas what to do with this thing, and some different 241 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,039 places and with some different people to do it with. And uh, I 242 00:19:11,319 --> 00:19:15,480 don't know. I think we might have shown you the uh yeah, yeah, 243 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,359 yeah, the machine. Well yeah, yeah, okay, so there's 244 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,039 a lot more to it than we have to add to it. Working with 245 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:26,680 some other people too, and I have some really big plans for it, 246 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:33,440 but I know some of them might not actually be safe to do, so 247 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,359 we can we got to do. I have the money to do what I 248 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:37,599 really want to do. With some of them, we don't know what would 249 00:19:37,599 --> 00:19:41,920 happen. But yeah, well I'm saying that you need some volunteers, you 250 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:48,240 know, for this. Yeah yeah, well, hopefully we get you downstate. 251 00:19:48,279 --> 00:19:49,920 Maybe we can get you down for the for the conference, and then 252 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:55,880 you know, maybe do a even a frequency experiment right here by the water. 253 00:19:56,279 --> 00:19:57,960 Now, is this one of those that isn't terribly safe or is this 254 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,119 a safer one? No, this is safe for one some of the ideas 255 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:07,400 that I have maybe had on my numbers. Okay, I'm gonna ask I'm 256 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:12,319 gonna ask Terry first to make sure that everything's kosher. Can you describe the 257 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:17,039 machine at all? Is it? Is it a frequency that like a light 258 00:20:17,079 --> 00:20:22,519 frequency that inmates or is it a like a vibrational frequency that I mean, 259 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:30,720 I guess what what is it? It's a vibrational frequency. It's actually two 260 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:34,200 what are they called the globes. Yeah. He encased them in the big 261 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:40,319 plastic tubing to protect it for us to take out into the field and we 262 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:47,759 connect at what what's called a spooky too, the ripe right kind of it's 263 00:20:47,839 --> 00:20:51,240 kind of like a ripe machine. Yeah, And we hook it up to 264 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:56,200 that and we set it to different frequencies to play out, and he says 265 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:03,920 it it's the frequencies go out in a radius of ten. Yeah. Wow, 266 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,759 do you are you? Can you feel or hear the frequencies or are 267 00:21:07,759 --> 00:21:14,680 they silent to you? You could you could feel them? We actually would. 268 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:22,039 We had several psychics with us on different outings using these, and they 269 00:21:22,039 --> 00:21:26,839 could definitely feel them, and there's one particular frequency that they asked us not 270 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:32,680 to ever play again because it bothered them. And actually one of the places 271 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,640 that we did at Steve was the place we took you down at the Beaver 272 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:40,200 Crushed State Park. Well okay, now this this wasn't a Taylor Swift c 273 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:48,119 D the frequency, right, I just thought I checked. Uh. But 274 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,240 but seriously, uh, Andy, you know when I think about like phenomenon, 275 00:21:52,759 --> 00:21:56,799 uh, somebody we we are familiar with Paul Sinclair who has written the 276 00:21:57,079 --> 00:22:03,400 Truth Proof books. Uh, and he's done an investigations in North and East 277 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,279 Yorkshire. We are on each other's show and if you read his books, 278 00:22:07,079 --> 00:22:11,480 he has uh he's witnessed and even photographed many. I mean, there's all 279 00:22:11,599 --> 00:22:17,079 kinds of other bizarre things going on. Black panthers, dog men like creatures, 280 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,839 triangles and everything. But there's a heavy, heavy, heavy amount of 281 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:26,960 light anomalies not and not not craft but you know, orbs or or or 282 00:22:26,039 --> 00:22:33,920 or whatever mm hm we see we don't we don't know if like me and 283 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,799 me and you, I know talk a lot about Trevor James, Trevor James 284 00:22:37,799 --> 00:22:41,799 Constable and his sky creature and we've got a lot of conversations about that, 285 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,839 and some people think, you know, maybe some of these this is energy, 286 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,440 these are actually physical, you know, like a physical energy being. 287 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,680 We don't, we don't know what they Well, there does seem to be 288 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:57,920 a connection with with bigfoot areas or sightings and some of these lights. I 289 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:03,000 mean, even Ronad in the Sierra Nevadas was experiencing a great deal of light 290 00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:08,079 phenomena, but and also very classic, very physical seeming bigfoots. And of 291 00:23:08,079 --> 00:23:12,480 course he's the one that captured the Sierra sounds, these recordings. So there's 292 00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:17,200 some kind of bizarre connection there that makes me think of where was it. 293 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,880 There was a time when when you guys went out to an area that was 294 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:26,000 known for i think bigfoot sightings and and what they thought were bigfoot calls. 295 00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:30,519 Uh, And you went out in that area and instead of finding a big 296 00:23:30,599 --> 00:23:36,160 foot, you saw a strange light in the sky. Yeah. It in 297 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:41,240 Pennsylvania, Livermore, Livermoo, Livermore Yeah, uh Livermore, Uh, but 298 00:23:41,839 --> 00:23:45,279 by the cemetery. But it was on the county Pennsylvania. Yeah, pen 299 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,480 here at his trails where it happened. Yeah. And the one time we 300 00:23:49,519 --> 00:23:52,880 did that, we had a Leah with us, and you know how Leah 301 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:57,240 has a peculiar laugh, right, we'll say that we were on top of 302 00:23:57,279 --> 00:24:03,799 a bridge over over I think it was the Kanamaua river, right, wasn't 303 00:24:03,839 --> 00:24:07,359 it, And so she, you know, she laughed and it echoed whatever 304 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,039 you would do, it echoes, and we did hear some kind of a 305 00:24:11,079 --> 00:24:15,079 scream, right, some kind of a scream. And then later on I 306 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,480 took another group. Terry was with one group. I took another group and 307 00:24:18,519 --> 00:24:25,440 we hiked, ah, maybe not quite a mile. So we sat there 308 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,559 and we see this light. It looked like, i looked like a ball, 309 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:36,359 a white ball, but it looked like almost like a rail a rail 310 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,359 worker on a railroad. As he was he would be walking towards you, 311 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,799 swinging that lantern, and it looked like it was swinging back and forth. 312 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,720 Right, So it got up you know, it got up close. It 313 00:24:47,759 --> 00:24:51,480 was weird because you could this was kind of reverse. You could see it 314 00:24:51,559 --> 00:24:55,599 in the night vision camera, but it wouldn't record or when you put your 315 00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:00,279 you know, you you didn't see it as well with your eye as she 316 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,000 did with the camera. But we started to walk toward them, it just 317 00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:07,880 disappeared. It was really weird. It was one of the weirder instances we've 318 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:15,680 ever had home. So that the object was fairly small, probably about a 319 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,839 little bit smaller than maybe a basketball, Okay, not quite a basketball, 320 00:25:18,839 --> 00:25:25,000 a little smaller than a basketball. Yeah. Wow, Well it's it's not 321 00:25:25,079 --> 00:25:26,119 too bad. You didn't get to see a bigfoot, but you got to 322 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:30,519 see a strange moving light. Yeah. I'm still still hoping for the big 323 00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:36,480 foot one though. That's my that's kind of like my you know, maybe 324 00:25:36,519 --> 00:25:40,160 our end game in this, just to see it. So we could, 325 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:41,799 you know, say, hey, you know, we haven't wasted all this 326 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:47,000 time, energy and money we didn't have looking for something that may not be 327 00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:51,000 out there, although although we somehow think it is out there, maybe not 328 00:25:51,079 --> 00:25:55,519 as as you know, classical was maybe what people think it may be. 329 00:25:55,640 --> 00:26:03,680 So the uh, let's let's talk a little bit about the upcoming Butler conference 330 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,759 as well. How's that shaping up? Do we know who the speakers are 331 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,039 yet? Or? And by the way, when when is it gonna be 332 00:26:10,079 --> 00:26:15,640 held? What's the date? April twenty seventh's last Saturday. He's good, 333 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,319 she's checking on that right now. Okay, last Saturday in April okay. 334 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:26,519 Yeah, and so far it's Terry and I for sure. Yeah, we 335 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,000 he's got a bunch of feelers. We should know here within a couple of 336 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,079 weeks because he wants Okay, he's asked some people. I've asked one particular 337 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:41,400 person I have as well for Jim. Yes, I know that hopefully you 338 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,279 know I know who that person is, and we'd love to get her there. 339 00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:49,640 That would be great. But we should tell people that this really is 340 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:56,960 a great conference. It's very affordable, it lasts to day. Dan always 341 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:02,759 lines up a great bunch of speakers. Uh you know, they're not all 342 00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:08,039 the same, and you can get they've got food right there, and it's 343 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,519 just there's a lot of tables, a lot of people to talk to, 344 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:17,640 and it's just really a good time. Yeah. Eight is April twenty seventh. 345 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,319 It's ten to seven, okay, okay. And my question, not 346 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,839 being from that area, is is this solely a big Foot conference or does 347 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:33,960 it cover just an an array of topics. No, it covers all the 348 00:27:34,039 --> 00:27:40,319 everything under the paranormal umbrella. We try to get speakers on different topics. 349 00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:45,799 Okay, Brandy, They trying to cover the ghosts, the Bigfoot, UFOs, 350 00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:52,160 and other topics, you know, in that realm, and they even 351 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:57,160 let me speak there before. That's right, you were in I did they 352 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:02,039 really enjoyed you there? Yeah, well that's good. That's good. And 353 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:03,720 I missed you a couple of times with those tomatoes and you know next time, 354 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,640 well listen, you know, I'm getting little slower. I don't have 355 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:15,039 the reflexes I used to do. So, so we're we're doing a very 356 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,799 and hopefully you can come to the Steve. I mean you're welcome to stay 357 00:28:17,799 --> 00:28:22,400 here again like you did last year. Yep, we're doing Terry and I 358 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,559 are doing a presentation that we've done We've done parts one in parts two at 359 00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:30,279 the Vickery. It's called Our Weird World, right, and it's a very 360 00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:37,039 different How do we say it? How do we say this? It's we 361 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,599 sprinkle comedy in with facts. Yeah, we sprinkle comedy, we sprinkle pop 362 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:48,720 culture, and and we talk about things from cryptids to ghost to UFOs around 363 00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:52,880 the world, around the world, and a lot that people have never heard 364 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:59,039 of, and we put our own special twist on it. It's it's we've 365 00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:03,640 never had as much fun making doing the presentations as we have. The first 366 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,640 two so we're gonna combine them together. We're gonna add some stuff and subtract 367 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,039 some stuff, and whoever's going to be there, they either laugh or they'll 368 00:29:12,039 --> 00:29:22,160 be throwing tomatoes at us. I love it, but I always enjoy that 369 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,039 event. But you know, this is the am I correct and saying that 370 00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:33,200 this is the third interview you've had this week, A second one to next 371 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:38,880 Tuesday, and then I have two two in March, back to back Fridays. 372 00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:42,240 So yeah, I mean it's I think I put out there. I 373 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,039 don't really do a lot, but it's weird. Every time I seem to 374 00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:47,920 do one, I seem to do them in plumps, right, I mean, 375 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,119 I seem to do them within I might not do I might do one 376 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:53,920 like in six months, and then all of a sudden, I do three 377 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,359 or four in two months. It's just really weird. But I do try 378 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:02,799 to take advantage of those opportunities when they're presented. And uh ah, like 379 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,079 last night's was a blast. I was on Joe. His name is Joe 380 00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:08,559 Perrie. It was a pair of a pair of blues out of Deep New 381 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,400 York, and we had met Joe a couple of times, and well he 382 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,839 would be a great guy, Steve, to get on your on the show. 383 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:23,160 Here, give everybody kind of a reader's digest version about what you guys 384 00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:27,400 talked about so they can watch for it when it comes out. Okay, 385 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,599 well we we basically talked. He wanted to talk about big putting creatures, 386 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,440 Okay, but we also did go into uh frequencies a little bit, and 387 00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:41,000 uh it's ironic. He's even doing some kind of a frequency thing for maybe 388 00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:44,039 talk with spirits, so we thought he thought that was pretty neat what we've 389 00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:48,839 been doing. But mainly crypt is we talked mainly crypt I think we might 390 00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:52,119 have thrown a little bit of UFOs in there too. Generally in my talks, 391 00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:56,319 it's funny we people want to start talking about big Book, but then 392 00:30:56,319 --> 00:31:00,440 we go into Mothman, which is still my fa second favorite Steve, you 393 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,400 know that, and then we dog Man and things like that. So there's 394 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,880 just so many interesting things out there to talk just about Bigfoot constantly actually gets 395 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,000 boring. So but you know, you're a great guy, Brian, but 396 00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:15,440 you do have that one character flaw where a Mothman is second. Yeah, 397 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:21,160 but he's a very very close second. I mean, even as a kid 398 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,039 even as a kid, Steve, when I read that first encounter about how 399 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:32,359 when it was first seen by Scarberry and do you remember it in the newspaper 400 00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:36,680 when he went a first hit? I actually think I read in the UFO 401 00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:40,000 magazine believe it or not. Okay, okay, And when this creature was 402 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,160 flying alongside the car going one hundred miles an hour, I was like, 403 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:47,640 fat that that had an e hook right there. Well, I was like, 404 00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:49,400 don't go ahead. Oh And it was like that. I mean, 405 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,480 it's like wow, wing identity. I mean it looked like like a monster. 406 00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:57,559 And uh that was just like I mean, it was. It was 407 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,799 unbelievable. And I started to read and research as much as I can't could 408 00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:06,119 about it and anything mothmam was like wow. And then when I found out 409 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,480 later on there was I don't call them mothman. We call them like wing 410 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,680 entities, is what we put them all under, right, except mothman is 411 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,880 mothman, but the rest we just say that they're wing entities. Some people 412 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:21,680 will call them wing humanoids. But man, that is like you know that 413 00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:22,960 in dog Man. I mean, it's probably like my one, two, 414 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:28,640 and three as far as best things to talk about well, of course most 415 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,559 people know that. I was in junior high in Michigan at the time, 416 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:37,720 November sixty six, and we come off the wave of UFO sightings in March, 417 00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:39,960 you know where Heinech came down and said some of them swamp gasts. 418 00:32:40,079 --> 00:32:44,720 Right. Well, the foo went November, right the found of November, 419 00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:47,160 it hit the wire services. And if you go into the Mothmam Museum, 420 00:32:47,319 --> 00:32:52,400 of course, Jeff Wansley has collected all these newspaper articles. You'll even see 421 00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:58,000 in the Stars and Stripes military newspaper that first report of the winged humanoid that 422 00:32:58,079 --> 00:33:01,400 chase the two couples down Route six too. And I remember reading that and 423 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:06,960 I thought, how cool is that? You know, I mean it really, 424 00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:08,640 it really is. And then uh, later on I started reading like 425 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:13,359 you probably did, John Keel's articles and so forth. Ye, yeah, 426 00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:21,400 fascinating, just you know it was, It's just amazing and for people to 427 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,400 downplay what the eyewitnesses saw and uh, you know, of course, you 428 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,160 know, you know her very well. Let this Sigma and I was able 429 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,240 to talk with her at Monster Fest last year, and that that was like 430 00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:36,319 such a thrill to talk with her. And Terry you have to make. 431 00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:38,359 I can't wait for you to meet her because she's just it was a fat 432 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,880 I still have to listen to your podcast with her. Remember we never did 433 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,680 listen to that, you know, just to just to hear an encounter. 434 00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:52,960 Yeah, she's she's so credible. Yes, yes, I mean, come 435 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,960 on, that's not a sand hill crane, guys, come on, I 436 00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,519 mean, it's like that doesn't do justice to what these peop people who lived 437 00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:04,799 down there all their life, what they saw. Its actually an insult to 438 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,640 them, you know, And just warning you it is. It is a 439 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,199 long podcast, it's about two hours. And part of the reason is the 440 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,760 guest co host was the Creature Seeker you know who that is, right, 441 00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:19,039 Oh yeah, yes, he might be a little winded sometimes and all good, 442 00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:22,079 good stuff. But but anyway, the thing is you want to stay 443 00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:28,800 with it to the end because Linda Siegmund has had bigfoot type activity out in 444 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,079 the general area where she lives in a in a rural area around Parkersburg. 445 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:37,519 I mean, bizarre stuff and some of it mimics what Ron Moorehead went through 446 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,039 with all the noises and the things, you know, beating on the house 447 00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:45,880 and anyway, it's just it's really fascinating. So I mean there's yeah, 448 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:51,320 yeah, there's a lot lot going on there. Uh and uh yeah, 449 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,320 so that's uh one other things. You know, it made me something that 450 00:34:54,400 --> 00:35:00,400 kind of corroborates the uh, the Scarberry and the Mallet encounter. Those the 451 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,360 two couples that on November fifteenth, nineteen sixty six, were by the old 452 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,119 North Power Plant in the tt area. They saw this six seven foot tall 453 00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:13,559 creature ten foot wingspan, red glowing eyes that chased them into Point Pleasant. 454 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,599 Well some years later, not too long ago, a few years back, 455 00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:21,920 Jeff Walmsley, who runs them Offman Museum, was approached by a woman who 456 00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:24,599 used to be a nurse at the hospital there and she said, you know, 457 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:30,079 that night two women were admitted late at night to be treated for shock, 458 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:35,280 and she did not know who they were for sure. So Jeff went 459 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,480 to Linda Scarberry and said, Linda, were you and Mary admitted to the 460 00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:44,039 hospital that night? And she said, yeah, they treated us for shock. 461 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,320 You know, we went in there late. So that's isn't that interesting 462 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:51,000 how that kind of collaborates. I mean, if they were just spinning a 463 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,199 wild tail, they would not have gone to those lengths to pretend like they 464 00:35:54,199 --> 00:36:00,800 were they needed help and medical help. So's that's really fast. And I 465 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,199 guess one other before we go to intermission? What other quick greats? You 466 00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:07,559 know you hear these great stories from from Jeff. I mean he's he's in 467 00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:09,239 the heart of it. He was six years old when all this stuff is 468 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,679 going on. So you know how in the Mothman Museum, uh uh, 469 00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:19,599 Andy and Brandy, there's the uh there's display all kinds of displays, including 470 00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:22,079 the men in black. You know, you got the mannequins with the black 471 00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:27,000 suits, the Fedora's, the dark sunglasses, and an explanation as to what 472 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,840 was going on. So one day Jeff's mom is in there and she's looking 473 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,840 at the displaying. She says, what is this? So Jeff explains to 474 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,639 his mom, you know that, Well, it's the men in black and 475 00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:39,719 blah blah blah. And she said, you know, we used to see 476 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:44,599 them down in Point Pleasant. Oh wow. And Jeff goes, mom, 477 00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:47,639 you know how long I've been into this and you're you're just telling me this 478 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:52,440 now? And he said, well, where were you seeing them? And 479 00:36:52,519 --> 00:37:01,559 she said Mary Hire's office. Oh yeah, wow. Intermission time you are 480 00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:07,639 listening to The High Strangeress Factor copyrighted on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. Today, 481 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:13,760 Andy Brandy and I are are is celebrating our fifth anniversary with Brian and 482 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:20,679 Terry Seech researchers and investigators into the unknown. And okay, now this is 483 00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:22,719 we won't spend a whole lot of time on this, I don't think, 484 00:37:23,039 --> 00:37:30,320 but it's tradition. Brian, we have to talk about the Mothman Prophecies film. 485 00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:38,760 He just ran into the restroom breaking he took off. Well that's quite 486 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:45,599 all right, Well we will ambush him when he gets back. Yes, 487 00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:47,840 what I what I want to Well, the first question I'm going to ask 488 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,760 him is we're gonna we will set it up to remind people what we're talking 489 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,360 about. But uh, what I what I want to know is, don't 490 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,280 tell me if you know that the amount of time? But have you guys 491 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:06,280 ever time the amount of seconds that Brian is on screen? No, okay, 492 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,159 that would be interesting. It would be a the stopwatch would have to 493 00:38:09,159 --> 00:38:15,079 move very quickly, I think. But nonetheless, oh wait, he's gonna 494 00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:19,639 he was gonna ask you someone and it was like Glenn sol because you weren't 495 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:27,039 That's all right, bathroom breaks are perfectly acceptable on the high strangers fector so, 496 00:38:27,159 --> 00:38:30,559 Brian, what we're doing is we're going to, uh, because it's 497 00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:32,639 tradition, We're going to at least for a little bit, revisit the Mothman 498 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:37,159 Prophecies movie. Okay, So now that set this up for people. Uh. 499 00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:42,360 This this came out twenty years ago now with Richard gear Laura Lenny, 500 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:47,000 uh, Alan Bates, and it was the film based on the uh Mothman 501 00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:52,079 Prophecies book by John Keel and UH, let me just tell a quick story 502 00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:57,239 here. Uh, I got to speak to Richard HadAM. Richard Haddam was 503 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:02,000 the screenwriter for The Mothman Prophecy. Now, when I first saw the film 504 00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:06,320 in the theater, I was a little disappointed. I thought I would have 505 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,519 wanted more of the book to come forth. But as I watched it more 506 00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:13,119 and more, I thought, well, you know what, they really did 507 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,559 do a good job of bringing forth some of the basic ideas. And that's 508 00:39:16,599 --> 00:39:23,039 exactly the way John Keel felt. In Brent Rains his book John Keel, 509 00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:29,039 The Man, the Myths and the Ongoing Mysteries, he talked to Sandra Martin. 510 00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:34,679 Sandra Martin was John Keel's literary agent, and John Keel talked to her 511 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:39,159 the moment he read Richard had him screenplay, he was so happy. He 512 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,079 was laughing and he said, you know, he said, look, they've 513 00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:45,320 updated it, and they've got me married and so forth. But they finally 514 00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:51,079 that there's somebody that finally captured some of the underlying ideas of the book. 515 00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:55,440 Apparently prior to that they were just writing screenplays where they were turning Mothman into 516 00:39:55,480 --> 00:40:00,079 a monster. So the cool thing was Richard had Adam did not know this, 517 00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:06,320 and I was able to tell him that, how how wonderful John Keel 518 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,079 thought his screenplay was right to his face. So that was that was very 519 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:14,280 cool, really cool. So uh uh, and we talked a lot more 520 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:15,960 about it. They gave him all kinds of instructions. They didn't want the 521 00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:20,519 UFO thing played up, they wanted the Mothman thing played up and so forth. 522 00:40:20,559 --> 00:40:24,360 But anyway, very interesting. Okay, so, uh, you're an 523 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:29,440 extra in this film. But first tell us how was it that you got 524 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,760 a line on this? How did you get involved in this? Uh? 525 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,280 We're I think so we both saw it in that I think it was in 526 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:40,079 a newspaper, right so we we both sent it. He found out Nancy 527 00:40:40,119 --> 00:40:49,199 moss or Casting Agency were taking applications for extras and he wanted to put his 528 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,079 application in and he made me do mine too at the same time. And 529 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,360 she actually could have been in the which scene was on. I was called 530 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,679 for the Christmas Christmas scene, but she didn't want to gotten at the bridge, 531 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,880 but it would have been I would have gone by myself. And it 532 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,440 was at night. You had to report at ten pm and it was in 533 00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:13,079 containing. It was a little far ride, right, Yeah, so I 534 00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:16,280 turned it down so we could have we could have tried to pick you out 535 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:22,079 in that crowd scene at night. And also our friend, our friend Dwayne 536 00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:25,519 Pentoff was in it. Yes, they showed him real quick in the scene 537 00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:30,519 also, but they part cut part of his scene, right, Yes, 538 00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:31,719 he said that they cut part of it. He was the sheriff, I 539 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,960 believe or something like that, and they cut that part. But I still 540 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,880 think that he does have a quick cameo and he doesn't. He shot me 541 00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:44,000 a screenshot of it and you could just barely see he's like a it looks 542 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,079 almost like a shadow person in the background. Yeah, okay, but but 543 00:41:47,159 --> 00:41:52,480 heck you guys both have more time in it than I do. So it 544 00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:55,519 was so cool. It was like I told you, we took we went 545 00:41:55,599 --> 00:42:00,559 at night, okay, and we that's probably the last, like maybe one 546 00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:02,239 other night movie because you know, we're we're cheap. We can't afford to 547 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,760 come in the night. So we took my mom, my mom and my 548 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:12,960 brother. And so we're sitting there and the scene come up. I said, 549 00:42:12,119 --> 00:42:15,360 I go to my mom. I said there I and then I was 550 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:21,079 off. I couldn't even say there, I am there. I okay for 551 00:42:21,199 --> 00:42:29,800 people to DVD play it, pause it at his scene just to see where 552 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,320 he was, and I'm the guy with the briefcase, and Steve is Steve 553 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:37,360 really once that briefcase I have. I have ripped on Brian about the briefcase 554 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,360 and also here here's the other thing. But we're going to tell people where 555 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,440 you were in the movie in just a moment. But another thing is that 556 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,880 on Saturday night at the at the T and G Hey ride at the Mothman 557 00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:51,679 Festival where the men in black try to turn you away and there's a guaranteed 558 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,119 fly over the Mothman. Occasionally Brian and Terry will be on there and one 559 00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:58,800 of the first things Brian says, Hey, Steve, did you know I 560 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,679 was in the Mothmand prophecy? And that's my cue to just rip on Brian. 561 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,079 I told people one time that he went to the little commissary there. 562 00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:09,360 What all the food was? He stuffed his briefcase full of food and they 563 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:14,000 didn't have to buy groceries for two weeks. Hey, I tell you what, 564 00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:15,079 see, they fed you pretty good. I will say that. I'll 565 00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:19,320 get well, that's cool. It was. It's not like a great experience, 566 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,079 but you have to set up for people that if they haven't seen the 567 00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:25,480 movie, or if they have, where do they find And by the way, 568 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:30,920 I asked Harry, when you were indisposed, did you ever time the 569 00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:35,440 number of seconds you're on the screen? Was it two or three seconds? 570 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,800 It wasn't It wasn't that long at all. Did we actually time it? 571 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,559 I don't know. It might have just been two or three seconds, but 572 00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:44,840 that's better than nothing. Yeah, I mean it was because I remember, 573 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,079 I mean I had the briefcase and what I was wearing, and the other 574 00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:51,480 guy, you know, the other guy with me, and it was funny. 575 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:57,400 We were right before we did that walk Richard Gear was in a trailer 576 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,400 right next to us. So we're looking in the window and he's sitting there 577 00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:04,159 and it was a cold, blustery day too. It was I think we 578 00:44:04,199 --> 00:44:07,360 did it around the sometime in November, but it was it was very cold. 579 00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:10,159 And he's sitting there and they're blow drying his hair and we're looking at 580 00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:13,000 each other. He goes, that's what it must be to be a movie 581 00:44:13,039 --> 00:44:19,400 sign and then people people were looking at us because like there's a trailer there 582 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,880 was We're standing there, and then they had like a line and then there 583 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,800 was people watching from like behind the thing. You couldn't obviously didn't see him 584 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,920 in the thing, but they're looking at us. And then you know, 585 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,639 we're like, hey, maybe this is what it is to be a movie 586 00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:35,800 star. They're looking at We're laughing, and we really it was fun. 587 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:42,800 Anyone ever gets a chance to to be in a big movie like that, 588 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,920 now we I got you. I've gotten the opportunity. The last four or 589 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:51,400 five years, I've been in some smaller did their movies, but they're independent. 590 00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:59,599 I've been in uh it's called Crossing Pass one and two Flat Woods, 591 00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:02,320 which was a very loosely based on the flat. I think you might have 592 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:07,000 seen that one Steve Fred was in, and then another one Fred and I 593 00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:12,000 were in called It's a horror movie Beasts of our Fathers about Bigfoot. And 594 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,199 so I've I've gotten to be in four other movies where I actually talk and 595 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:21,079 you actually see me. So it's it's a blast that if you got anyone 596 00:45:21,159 --> 00:45:23,480 gets a chance to do that, just do it. I mean, I'm 597 00:45:23,519 --> 00:45:28,840 having a blast. And uh, this last one we were I was a 598 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,760 drug counselor drug counselor in Crossing Past one and two, and in the second 599 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:37,920 one, Terry got the sit in and we did take after take of this 600 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:42,679 one scene. And then to finally see it, we just got the DVD 601 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,039 about three weeks ago, and to see it's like, yeah, I didn't 602 00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:49,880 do half a bad job, but they made us take it over Terry and 603 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,760 over, and she's like, you don't even have that many lines. Just 604 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:58,599 screw them up, so they what you see? You know, it's interesting. 605 00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:00,920 It's funny too. The very first one that I did, I did 606 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,920 it on a basketball court with the you know, with the same kid that 607 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,679 I did in the second, and we had no lines. They said, 608 00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:12,039 ad libit. It was all ad libbed. There was not one you know, 609 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,079 he said basically say this. You know you could say something like this. 610 00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:22,079 And his name is James Ross. He like at one point he yelled 611 00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:24,639 at me and he said why did you leave me? Or you never called 612 00:46:24,639 --> 00:46:27,360 me or something? And I'm like, okay, I gotta think on my 613 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,800 feet. I said, hey, you know my phone's always there. I 614 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,599 must not. I just did it spontaneously and it, uh, it actually 615 00:46:32,639 --> 00:46:35,639 turned out pretty good. I mean, I was like, okay, Brian, 616 00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:39,599 you didn't make a total fool out of yourself. So you're telling me 617 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:44,039 that on the Mothmann prophecies you could. Guys did not have makeup people. 618 00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:46,840 We did not have they said, I believe it or not. I was 619 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:51,480 wearing a tiny suit though you can't see him so far back there were you 620 00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:53,880 were? You wearing a trench coat? A trench coat? Yeah? Wow, 621 00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:59,320 trench coat, briefcase and and isn't it true that they made you do 622 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:04,159 it over again? Yeah? We did it three or fourth times. The 623 00:47:04,159 --> 00:47:06,119 first time we walked too slow, and the guys said, come on, 624 00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:07,239 come on, speed it up. You got to walk Bastroom'm like, okay, 625 00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:09,079 well, I don't know. We were walking wrong, you know, 626 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:15,079 but it was fun. It was It's so cool. I'm glad that you 627 00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:19,320 know, and you heard that. The rumors is they want to make a 628 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,920 second one, right, like, is that is that a real rumor? 629 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,000 Is that a Brian Steech rumor? No? No, no, no, 630 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,760 no, it was a rumor that I said, I'm going to be the 631 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,360 main focus of it. That's the rumor. But no, they they had 632 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:37,039 claimed that which is named Mark Pellington had talked about we would like to make 633 00:47:37,159 --> 00:47:42,400 some kind of a sequel. It would be great because if I always wanted 634 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,559 them to, because they could develop some of those ideas further. But exactly, 635 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,960 but still we have to set up for people that haven't seen this or 636 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,599 have and don't have no idea where you are and this set it up. 637 00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:58,639 Now when this scene is in, was it a shot in Pittsbury yet it's 638 00:47:58,639 --> 00:48:01,679 heed you're learning, but it's it's supposed to be a double for Chicago, 639 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:06,519 right, yes, okayet set this up for us. Tell us where to 640 00:48:06,519 --> 00:48:13,960 find Brian Siege in the epic Mothband prophecies. So uh, Richard Gear and 641 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:20,519 Alan Bates, it's the part they they they're walking up the cathedral steps to 642 00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:23,400 go into the library for the next scene. So as they're walking up, 643 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:30,480 they walk up, and as they're going into the the cathedral, myself and 644 00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:36,199 another gentleman are walking towards towards the screen. I'm the one on the left 645 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,280 with the with the briefcase. And it's only literally it's like maybe two seconds. 646 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:43,960 And we even had to stop on posit posit go frame by frame and 647 00:48:44,039 --> 00:48:49,360 like there it is. But yeah, it was. It was a blast, 648 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,079 and it was something that you know, if I ever get the opportunity, 649 00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:54,639 because it's you know, Nancy Moster out of Pittsburgh. They do a 650 00:48:54,679 --> 00:49:00,239 lot of different movies, and there was a they also did which and the 651 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:05,880 one Batman where some of the Pittsburgh Steelers were in it, and it was 652 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,679 Batman with Bane and I forget what the name of that was. And I 653 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:12,079 wanted to go up there but for that scene, but I just I never 654 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,400 put in for it, you know what I mean. Now, So when 655 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:20,400 they when they showed this movie in theaters, do you get residuals like maybe 656 00:49:20,519 --> 00:49:25,760 thirty eight cents? Yeah, no, I get nothing. We wish I 657 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:30,280 don't get nothing for not one paycheck for that day and that was Oh was 658 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,480 it like eighty eight bucks or something like that? Oh? Really yeah, 659 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,599 I think it was like eighty eight bucks. And I was there for what 660 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,840 like seven hours and all the food you can eat and I got, we 661 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:43,639 got we got breakfast, and we got a late lunch already dinner. Yeah. 662 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,400 Yeah. They had a lunch truck and he just had a lunch truck 663 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,639 and they said, here's the extras whatever they wanted to get. You know, 664 00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,719 it was cool, very good. You know, those those scenes between 665 00:49:55,679 --> 00:50:01,599 Richard Gear and Alan Bates are just super oh exactly exactly whether they're outside talking 666 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:07,360 or whether they're inside in the supposed to the library or his office. Those 667 00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:13,559 uh, those scenes, and and the scene where Richard Gear is supposedly talking 668 00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:17,599 to this injured cold over the phone are also exceptionally well done. Yep, 669 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,159 it was it was cool. I really would like to see some kind of 670 00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:25,440 a sequel, but this time maybe focus on at least show the creature. 671 00:50:25,519 --> 00:50:30,679 I mean technically we did it. When we got it. We actually slowed 672 00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:35,800 down the scene where what's your name was driving and it came flying up right, 673 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,920 so did I. And then you actually see you see a little bit 674 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:43,320 of the eyes and right, well, the one one idea he had Penllington 675 00:50:43,519 --> 00:50:46,320 was less is more. He didn't want to overdo it, and to a 676 00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:51,679 degree, that's correct. He could have had a little bit more. But 677 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,519 it'd be interesting to see what they could do with a sequel. And like 678 00:50:55,599 --> 00:51:00,000 I say, they could really, uh, they could do really something pretty 679 00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:07,239 pretty special. Okay, Well, I always I always love the Mothsman movie 680 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:12,960 section when we get together. Very cool. Uh, anything else about that 681 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:17,239 you want to talk about that that people should know about. Now you've seen 682 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,880 the two scrap books I have of that, right I showed you. Oh 683 00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,679 yeah, that's right. I actually loan them to Rosemary and she actually, 684 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:30,400 uh I think took some material off for one of her books that she did 685 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:35,679 and very good. Yeah, so maybe that like whenever we whenever we're close 686 00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,760 to death or whatever, we'll send it on the jets. He can put 687 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,840 him in, but he can put him in the library. We donate him 688 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:45,639 to the museum. I have many plans when I'm close to death as well, 689 00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,400 but I don't know, you know how to how to determine that exactly? 690 00:51:47,639 --> 00:51:51,880 Well, you know, you you know, as files always has more 691 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:57,599 room for stuff. Yes, I know, not really, but we we'll 692 00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:01,199 make you've seen up there, and yes, well I don't have much from 693 00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:06,800 here either, and the books are really stacking up. Mhm. So what 694 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,559 do you get pressed? I was impressed with your library, and we do. 695 00:52:09,039 --> 00:52:13,400 I told Terry we'd like to come down sometimes and just like just hang 696 00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,559 with you and just look through yourself. Yeah. Yes, and I'm actually 697 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:21,920 pardon me, I'm actually getting to the point where people can move around the 698 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,039 library a little bit better. So I'm working. I'm working on that, 699 00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:29,559 and uh, I can't I can't wait to have that, uh a little 700 00:52:29,559 --> 00:52:32,039 bit better organized. That would be be really cool. Then I'll have an 701 00:52:32,119 --> 00:52:37,280 open house for paranormal investigators. We'll be down there right. Where are your 702 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,159 first guests? So where are you guys going from here? What do you 703 00:52:40,159 --> 00:52:45,280 have any any big plans, any goals or or what Now that you're you're 704 00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,800 pretty much settled in. Uh, the s files is is squared away. 705 00:52:49,559 --> 00:52:54,000 Where any any any plans, big plans, little plans. Well, we 706 00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:57,840 have a couple of cases that we're going to follow up on here, like 707 00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:04,480 right right as the weather breaks one. Oh yeah, well, when we 708 00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:07,119 told you that we wrote articles for the Hancock County Courier. We're going to 709 00:53:07,159 --> 00:53:12,239 put that in a book form with Fred and try to get that out. 710 00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:16,360 This year we did twenty six between me and him, with mostly him. 711 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:20,960 I'm not going to lie. We're going to put that in a book form 712 00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:22,719 and add to it. And then after that is we're going to start our 713 00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:30,280 books down here. So as far as that we we actually you actually have 714 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:35,920 to type all that stuff up. Okay, So but that's first, and 715 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,800 then we have a couple of investigations. We have one really cool investigation that 716 00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:45,119 we're really looking forward to. We found out about this. I'm trying to 717 00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:51,400 think when end of October. So there was a gentleman along with four other 718 00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,400 of his his family eyewitnesses who they saw They were around the campfire up in 719 00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:00,360 it's a place called a Parker up in the Butler where you know Butler Conny 720 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:05,440 Wheredan lives. And they were at around the fire one night and they look 721 00:54:05,519 --> 00:54:08,159 over and they see this. They said it looked like a werewolf. The 722 00:54:08,159 --> 00:54:13,199 guy said it looked like the werewolf from Harry Potter when the one professor turns 723 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,360 into a Now, I I did not like Harry Potter. I was not 724 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,760 a big fan of it, so I don't even know which one it's in. 725 00:54:20,199 --> 00:54:23,000 I've got to watch. It is in the third one. Okay. 726 00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:29,199 So they look at this thing and it's crouched down by this they have this 727 00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,519 They had this rim like this big bucket that they just threw corn and some 728 00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:37,360 stuff, and they said this thing was like hunched over it. It grabbed 729 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,760 the bucket, picked it up, and it looked at him like, hey, 730 00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,239 you're looking at me, gave him an attitude, and then it turned 731 00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,119 around and it walked with this bucket. And the next morning they found it. 732 00:54:46,199 --> 00:54:49,760 Most of the stuff was eating and the bucket was a little bit hammered. 733 00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:53,679 You know. So there's like I think four to five eyewitnesses who we 734 00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,880 hope to interview when we go up there. Their campus closed now, so 735 00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,920 we hope in the spring to get up there and this will be you know, 736 00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,920 we've had some you know, we've done maybe fourteen or fifteen over the 737 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,840 years, over the long years of these dog man siting. This will be 738 00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:14,039 the first one we've had multiple eyewitnesses to seeing one of these things. So 739 00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:17,159 we're we're gonna take up the crew and have you know, interview as many 740 00:55:17,159 --> 00:55:21,360 people as they can get. That actually saw that we're gonna have different people 741 00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,280 interview them and get some pictures and see how far they were away from this 742 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:30,079 thing and so that, and then we have another one to do. This 743 00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:35,440 gentleman is seeing he's had some light anomalies in Freedom Beaver Connie where we used 744 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,599 to live, and he showed us some really cool pictures. Now he has 745 00:55:39,639 --> 00:55:47,119 a a deer cam mounted close to uh. They have a spring and I 746 00:55:47,199 --> 00:55:52,480 see there's running water spring and they're getting some some weird, weird light anomalies. 747 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,599 And I asked you if we can come up here and take some readings 748 00:55:54,599 --> 00:56:00,559 and you know, take the EMF and you know, take the electromagnet. 749 00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:05,920 What's that called the EMF meter, and there's something else with it, a 750 00:56:07,079 --> 00:56:10,599 trifle meter. Sorry field, Okay, right, okay, So we intend 751 00:56:10,599 --> 00:56:15,719 to go up there on a Saturday and get some picks and see if we 752 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:20,760 can come up with any readings there. Those are the two two big ones, 753 00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,400 and we have maybe one or two playing with Jamie and Jenny doing some 754 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:28,920 frequencies. Along with Jamie Jenny Kings, who you really got to get on 755 00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:34,199 your show. They're awesome doing some frequencies along with they do the c SETI 756 00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:43,159 protocol from uh his name, uh Stephen Breer. Yes, so we we 757 00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:49,280 intend to maybe add the two together and maybe do some other things. I'm 758 00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,679 still kind of figure out how I want to incorporate three or four different things 759 00:56:52,679 --> 00:56:55,920 at the same time, especially being by Shinango Lake, being right next to 760 00:56:55,960 --> 00:57:00,840 the lake. Water is a great conductor and just to see what would happen 761 00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,280 out there. So we do. We have a lot planned once, you 762 00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:08,000 know, about two months or whatever, we're going to start these Well, 763 00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:12,079 you know, I was involved with one of a couple of the c SET 764 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:19,440 protocols as well in Michigan with Sherildan Carter, and I never really you know, 765 00:57:19,639 --> 00:57:22,079 I never really experienced much of anything. There might have been some strange 766 00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:27,000 light anomalies in the sky that I'm am always looking in the wrong direction. 767 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:31,000 But I heard a lot of interesting stories about by people that have been involved 768 00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,719 in these groups, and so I don't know if it's a matter of people 769 00:57:36,119 --> 00:57:39,639 getting together in the same state of consciousness creating some of the stuff, or 770 00:57:39,639 --> 00:57:45,039 if they're actually really pulling in some kind of other intelligence. But Andy knows 771 00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:49,119 this Cher was on the show once before. She had her try field meter. 772 00:57:49,519 --> 00:57:52,280 And it's hard to describe this, but we I had my my EMF 773 00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:57,920 meter. At one point it kind of slowly crept up a lot higher than 774 00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,119 normal. And we're out in the middle of every part ar kind of in 775 00:58:00,159 --> 00:58:04,599 a depression, out in the middle of nowhere, well away from traffic and 776 00:58:04,599 --> 00:58:07,800 so forth. And she took a photograph of the of the lens on the 777 00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:13,400 Trifield meter, and on it is a like a like part of a hand, 778 00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:20,000 like a small hand. But the way it's filmed is uh, it's 779 00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:22,639 kind of the wrong way and it's small, and it's black and white, 780 00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:28,079 but it's kind of oh yeah, it's just it's so bizarre. I mean 781 00:58:28,119 --> 00:58:31,920 it's it's a real, real image, real physical image. And we both, 782 00:58:32,199 --> 00:58:36,199 you know, we are our meters were both registering something. Now I 783 00:58:36,199 --> 00:58:38,239 don't know what the hell this was, but it took place during one of 784 00:58:38,239 --> 00:58:46,119 these C city sessions. That's interesting. I'll live in Michigan. Yes, 785 00:58:46,239 --> 00:58:51,000 she's north of Detroit, one of the suburbs there. We would love to 786 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,440 get I would love to get her down and and does she get presentations to 787 00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:58,039 I mean, oh yes, yes, I saw some of her presentations at 788 00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:01,519 the Michigan New Fund Group. Wow, that would be that could be a 789 00:59:01,599 --> 00:59:05,079 name. If Dan can't get anybody, I'd love to bring her down. 790 00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,000 And she's got she's got some great books too. Yeah, I have the 791 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:15,440 one about the the triangles or the places what does she call it? Uh, 792 00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:19,199 the I forget but she used the term, uh, yeah, I 793 00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,199 forget. Yeah. But if that's the idea, that's a really good that's 794 00:59:22,239 --> 00:59:25,159 a really good book. And hey, Steve, real quick, just yeah, 795 00:59:25,199 --> 00:59:29,000 I want to plug this here too. Uh. I just got this 796 00:59:29,079 --> 00:59:31,400 book and maybe you have it already. It's called Winged Aliens from Margie k 797 00:59:32,719 --> 00:59:37,199 No I do not. Okay, So I'm actually gonna be on her show 798 00:59:37,199 --> 00:59:39,760 on my birthday, and so I wanted to do a little bit of reading. 799 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:47,679 And although although she does limp you know, uh lump like thunderbirds and 800 00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,840 sightings that look more like birds, I'm just interested in the humanoids and there's 801 00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,239 a lot in here. It's a really good book, Steve. It's if 802 00:59:55,239 --> 01:00:00,119 you get a shot to or you know, I'll put the uh, I'll 803 01:00:00,119 --> 01:00:05,199 put the link on when I go on it. Okay. Actually, actually 804 01:00:05,199 --> 01:00:07,639 on my birthday in about a month back here, right, a month from 805 01:00:07,639 --> 01:00:12,199 today? Right? Yeah? And shall we shall we ask how old you're 806 01:00:12,239 --> 01:00:16,280 going to be, Brian, you don't really want those, okay, I 807 01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:22,039 won't ask. If you don't ask, just say I'm getting perisally close to 808 01:00:22,119 --> 01:00:25,639 the big six up. Oh yeah, I passed that a while ago. 809 01:00:28,239 --> 01:00:31,800 No big deal, No big deal. Well, listen, Andy, Brandy, 810 01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:37,039 anything I've missed. Any other avenues you want to pursue. I'm kind 811 01:00:37,079 --> 01:00:44,840 of curious, do you too, at this Bigfoot conference or Butler or anywhere 812 01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:51,320 else that you go, do you actually lead tours with folks out into the 813 01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:57,400 field to do investigations out there or is everything you do kind of just your 814 01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:06,440 own little group of researchers. No, we haven't done any leading anybody out 815 01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:10,119 into the woods. We only we basically do our own core group. The 816 01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:15,400 Butler conference is at a place where there's really nowhere that you you know, 817 01:01:15,519 --> 01:01:17,960 it's not near a wooded area or anything. It's at a facility. It's 818 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:23,079 called the Tangle Wood's a senior center, so it's a like a big hall 819 01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:31,480 like up from the downtown Butler and the other places where we've done it at 820 01:01:31,559 --> 01:01:37,239 parks and stuff. We just did camp outs and did the conference. We 821 01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:43,159 really haven't done anything. Well, No, the one place we did while 822 01:01:43,159 --> 01:01:51,519 it was a Beaver Creek When we did that, it was a Halloween presentation 823 01:01:51,719 --> 01:01:54,159 that we put on and they had us just lead people through the woods a 824 01:01:54,239 --> 01:02:00,800 lantern tour. Yeah. Right, it was campground, but it's like on 825 01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:02,480 the outskirts of the campground. Yeah, it was pretty fun. Yeah. 826 01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:09,599 There we talked about ghosts and bigfoots and sightings that happened at the park there. 827 01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,599 And that was the actual night that we actually heard the Ohio Howe, 828 01:02:13,679 --> 01:02:15,960 like about one hundred or two in the morning. Yeah, coming from the 829 01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:22,039 Uh, I'm from the park, I'm guessing right. Yeah. Did the 830 01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:24,559 whole group period or did just the two of you hear it? There was 831 01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:27,920 four of us. It was me and Brian and Dave and Carrie, and 832 01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,480 we were getting ready. It was like close to two o'clock in the morning. 833 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,440 We were getting ready to go to bed. The rest of the camp 834 01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:38,119 was already, everything was quiet, and we were the last Florida head to 835 01:02:38,159 --> 01:02:42,039 bed when we heard it, and we just looked at each other and our 836 01:02:42,119 --> 01:02:45,760 draws jaws drop. We heard it one time and we heard it maybe for 837 01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:51,320 what maybe eight to ten seconds. And what's interesting about that when that happened. 838 01:02:52,519 --> 01:02:58,480 The next morning, we went up and we pulled over above the village 839 01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,000 and this lady came, ass Hey, have you seen my dog? I 840 01:03:01,039 --> 01:03:05,840 said no. She explained that she says, last night something happened and it 841 01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,760 broke free, something spooked her, something spook the dogs out of its pen, 842 01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:13,239 and she says, it's never done that before. And so we got 843 01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,000 the lady's name and stuff. So once we got home, we waited about 844 01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,719 what I think three days afterwards. When we called her up, the dog 845 01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:22,639 did come back home, so hey, you know, and that where her 846 01:03:22,679 --> 01:03:25,639 house was was right down from the campground, so yeah, we heard it. 847 01:03:25,719 --> 01:03:28,360 They would have heard it. I mean, the dog would have heard 848 01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:32,079 it even more because it was closer. So could that be, you know, 849 01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:35,239 could the dog have heard it and spooked it and ran away? I 850 01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,320 don't know, but at least it was a happy ending. The dog did 851 01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:43,440 come back. Were you too able to go to kind of go to the 852 01:03:43,559 --> 01:03:46,840 area where you thought the sound was coming from the next day to kind of 853 01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:52,679 look around and see if you could find any tracks or any kind of evidence 854 01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:57,400 that something might have been in the area or was it even hard to distinguish 855 01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,880 where it was really coming from. We did go down into the area and 856 01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:06,519 the picnic the village and the picnic area, but it was it was hard 857 01:04:06,599 --> 01:04:12,360 to distinguish. We were up on a hill, so it was hard to 858 01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,599 figure out like which direction it came from. And you know, down in 859 01:04:15,639 --> 01:04:18,039 that hall, you know the hollow down there, it does echo and so 860 01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:23,679 but it did seem generally to be coming from down there. Okay, but 861 01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,719 he didn't. You weren't able to uncover any evidence or anything unfortunately. No. 862 01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,039 Wow. We we tried, but we're not the greatest track finders, 863 01:04:31,079 --> 01:04:36,320 that's for sure. We do try those deeps. We try. Just so 864 01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:42,079 you know, Andy is with us, but he's having technical difficulties and his 865 01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:45,199 his microphone isn't working. So he's with us here more than in spirit. 866 01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:53,599 He's actually here, but technology is failing again. M h that's that's that's 867 01:04:53,639 --> 01:04:59,119 a bummer. Yeah, yep, Well you know guys, uh, it's 868 01:04:59,239 --> 01:05:02,519 it's always good to have you here. You guys make the shows really easy. 869 01:05:03,079 --> 01:05:10,320 And uh uh read any anything else to close before we uh uh uh 870 01:05:11,159 --> 01:05:15,239 uh before we head out, Just I would say, it's just another successful 871 01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:23,239 anniversary show. Well, thank you, let's see and you give it a 872 01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,880 shot. Go ahead and just blast out and see if we can hear you. 873 01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:31,480 Hello, hello nothing? Oh yes, yes, you keep cutting out 874 01:05:31,519 --> 01:05:36,400 for some reason that the volume barders goes to maximum and obviously no one's hearing 875 01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:40,559 me. So that's very strange. I'm one a very old laptop. My 876 01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:45,599 computer has the main died yesterday. I've been trying to get it working laughing 877 01:05:45,639 --> 01:05:47,039 then with no luck at all. So the result of this old laptop, 878 01:05:47,079 --> 01:05:51,159 So what's causing the problem for me? But that's an interesting listening to you 879 01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:56,679 guys. I could enjoy it, but then I didn't need to. It's 880 01:05:56,679 --> 01:06:01,760 been fascinating to see you guys talking. Well, it's thanks yeah, thanks 881 01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,280 for having us home. We appreciate it. We we always look forward to 882 01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:08,480 talking to Steve and seeing him and hopefully, like I said, Steve, 883 01:06:08,519 --> 01:06:12,480 the you can you know, the invitations open, you could stay here for 884 01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:15,320 Butler. Well, that would be great. I'm kind of planning on it, 885 01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:20,480 uh, unless I decide to get this other knee fixed, but we 886 01:06:20,599 --> 01:06:26,360 might wait on that. Yeah, do it afterwards. Good idea, good 887 01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:30,400 idea. So Uh, I guess, Andy, Brandy, I guess we'll 888 01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:34,039 go ahead and close it out. Sure, Okay, Well, uh, 889 01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:40,440 Andy, it's been great doing this this many years. Again. UH never 890 01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:44,559 would have guessed that that I would have been able to stay the course this 891 01:06:44,679 --> 01:06:49,639 long. And UH absolutely appreciate you being here and being the producer and and 892 01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:53,800 uh being part of the show. It's always good fun. You can do 893 01:06:54,119 --> 01:06:58,280 more regularly this year. Well, I actually have a list of people, 894 01:06:58,519 --> 01:07:02,599 uh, including a besto who wants to be in our show, and there's 895 01:07:02,639 --> 01:07:05,760 a few other ones, so we should be I think we should be able 896 01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:12,760 to keep a fairly regular schedule again. And Brandy, so good to have 897 01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,440 you here on the anniversary show. Yes, thank you so much. A 898 01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:20,519 happy anniversary, and it's been my honor to be here. The High Strangeress 899 01:07:20,519 --> 01:07:25,599 Factor was created by Steve Ward and Andy Mercer and his copyright on the Paranormal 900 01:07:25,679 --> 01:07:29,639 UK Radio Network. I want to thank as always our fearless leaders here at 901 01:07:29,639 --> 01:07:33,519 the network, Irene Alan Block, Mark Johnson and Andy Mercer. And Andy 902 01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:41,679 also for his role as producer and composer of the closing theme. Brian Zeller 903 01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:46,480 composed the opening theme. You can also hear me as a correspondent on Macmoney's 904 01:07:46,519 --> 01:07:53,800 Military x files on this same network and many other platforms. And I am 905 01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:58,000 Steve Ward, your humble host here on the High Strangest Factor, a displaced 906 01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:01,960 Michigander deep in the Ohio Valley, on the fringes of downtown Point Pleasant, 907 01:08:02,599 --> 01:08:06,000 living in the same road that the wing Garuda made its presence. No, 908 01:08:06,719 --> 01:08:11,360 thank you all for listening. We will see you all again in a fortnight. 909 01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:11,880 Take care,