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good evening, folks. I'm Sean the fork Chop Forker, James Baker,
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go so well. But Henry a little bit of sad news to kick the
show off with. Why don't you go ahead? Did you can see down
there in the corner, folks, in memory of Bill Braun, longtime researcher
passed away February fifteenth, Go ahead, Henry. Yeah. Bill was one
of those researchers that no a whole lot of big players knew about. But
he was one of the most dedicated. Yeah. He was the one stand
of the original A Bear Roads incident from nineteen seventy six, correct. And
he was always nice to me. He always it's like as he would call
me, and he would send me letters back of me to send letters,
send me pictures of the fall colors up there in the Northeast. Yeah,
yeah, it's tragic, Henry. I mean, you know, it's never,
never nice to lose anybody in this research, but when you're a little
bit more connected to them, you know, Bill was a mentor to one
of my good friends, Steve Coles. Steve, of course, posted over
the weekend, had a nice tribute to Bill. We interviewed Bill Brown many
years ago. I reposted that episode yesterday so folks could go and take a
listen. It's important that we understand it and recognize our history and where the
research comes from and where it's been and where we're going, because I feel
like so many people are a part of this, Henry, and they get
swept away because they may not be the famous TV personalities and they may not
have written forty two books on the subject. But Bill's impact is on us,
you know, people that followed his work and people that were, you
know, a lot more closely associated with Bill than I was. Seth bridlove
right last night that if it wasn't for Bill, Beast of Whitehall probably would
have never happened. So when you talk about some impact Bill had aside from
that interview, he was gracious enough to give us those years ago. You
know, he had an impact and he will be missed, of course by
friends and family and by those of us in the community. We lost another
stable, solid voice and our you know, hearts go out to his family
and his friends. So ex absolutely kicked the show off in that regard.
Guys, Tonight we have an interesting show. We want to do something a
little different that big old Sasquatch. Right, We're going to talk about bigfoot
creatures that exceed the threshold of reasonable size. And I know over the years
we've I think we've got vance back here. You know, sometimes we often
scoff at these reports of creatures being over ten feet tall ten eleven, twelve,
thirteen, fourteen, fifteen feet, but these reports happen, and tonight
we're going to talk about him. I think one of the things we have
to really recognize right at the front is that you know, Lawer and Coleman,
Patrick, Hugh, Mark Hall, gentlemen of that generation, you know,
really took it seriously, wrote some really good books. I have them
right here. There's True Giants which you can get. This is the Field
Guide to Bigfoot. Another Mystery Primates. This is the second edition I believe
I have the first edition in my library over here he talks about it as
and Bigfoot, the True Stories of Apes in America. And then also I
got my research materials all over this destiny, so bear with me. I
know somebody will get on there and say they're never prepared, kiss my ass.
And then True Stories Giants Giants is the gigantopithec is still alive? Yeah?
Right? And so Henry, why don't you, you know, just
feeling a little bit on the overview of the true giants once you became familiar
with the term. Well, I read that book in twenty eleven. I
got a copy of it from from Lauren at the John Green Tribute, a
sign copy, and he and Mark A. Hall did quite the light.
Mark A. Hall quite a bit of work, quite a bit of research
on this topic. And they said, well, these may seem like they're
true sasquatch, but they're really not. They're just gigantic. Well, they're
covered in hair, so what else would you call them? Right? The
behavior is sasquatch like the footprints or sasquatch like, albeit much larger. Now,
there have been some interesting encounters of them reported wearing flannel shirts or other
pieces of clothing or you know, being very large, maybe not so quite
bulky and massive, but definitely larger built and kind of lanky. So it's
just interesting to hear some of these stories. Matt Baker, what do you
guys got before we are diving into some of the true giants. Well,
like if we take it from a man's perspective, like I just looked it
up, and like the the tallest man was Robert Wablow and he was eight
foot eleven inches, And you have like people like Andre the Giant. You
have some of the people that, like you can actually whatever. Most of
them died because of structural issues, you know, like their knees went quicker
in the in their circulation was a problem in their back, and the way
they stood because because the hut, you know, that height made it so
hard for them to just you know, move around consistently. So I would
I would say that if it is a gigantic creature, I'm more on the
possibility that it's a gigantic like a giant that's made structurally to be a giant
more than a really large like eleven or twelve foot like ape like creature.
I don't know. I go more with the mythical less than the real life
creature that could be eleven to twelve feet high. You're a p five fox
FuMB man, huh, because like you look, like I said, structurally,
Like you look at a lot of these people, even athletes, athletes
over seven foot tall or people over seven foot tall, their knees and their
joints start to go because it's so it's so hard just to stand that tall.
Yeah, you know, plus doorways must be a bitch. Yeah,
I mean, you're not kidding, Robert Wadlow, You're right. He did,
you know, eight foot eleven. They said when he died, his
casket was over ten feet long and weighed over one thousand pounds. Took I
believe what did it say here? It took probably twelve guys, twelve Paul
Bears and eight assistants to help. That's that's quite a that's quite a train.
Andre the giant was so big that when they had to do surgery,
they had no clue how much anesthetic or how much stuff to give him.
And then they asked one of his coworkers how much can he drink? And
they're like, you didn't want to start that right, and you know,
both of them probably had some form of pituitary issue. Andre the Giant,
of course, we know was Acromegley, I believe is what it was called.
Yes, and he suffered with that for a very long time. And
you know, he was a world attraction. I don't know if he was
quite seven foot four as he was billed in the pro wrestling world. You
know, those heights are often you know, exaggerate a little bit. But
well, there's that one famous picture where he's standing next to Vince McMahon.
Vince McMahon six foot I don't know we're allowed to talk about him right now,
but he's six foot three and Andre the Giant looks like he's two feet
taller than Vince McMahon, but you know, in reality, he's probably a
foot foot taller. So there are a little bit of stage tricks that they
used. But Andre, it wasn't just so much the fact that he was
a tall he was just massive in general. Large. Yeah, five pounds,
that's quite the proportional person. So there's a lot of mass there.
And then so we take that and we talk about something that's probably twice the
size of Entre the Giant. Think of that's the size you know that pop
in the office if you want to show picture, it kind of looks like
but like And that's where I think we need to look at is you know,
with anything we do in this community, we have to look at a
creature that we can poke a stick at, as you said, you know,
and say, okay, this is this is what a ape of this
whatever would look like. How what's I didn't look it up, So if
somebody knows, maybe Henry knows. Do you know what the largest ape ever
was? Well, that would have been gigo bithegous. But we're talking about
creatures that reach might reach around ten to fifteen feet, at least ten to
fifteen feet, although you know, and there was a signing I guess we're
going to talk about nineteen sixty five at the Big Horn Dam. I think
it was a Big Horn Dam site where the workers claiming they saw a fifteen
foot Sasquatch. We just think of that height, Henry and got fifteen feet.
The root the ceiling in this room, I believe is thirteen feet,
So you're talking about something that's another two feet taller than that. That's immense,
but it's not insular to that one. Look he there have been reports
up in Maine, Henry of these creatures being over ten feet tall, creatures
in Nova Scotia. I was just on a podcast over the week in New
Labrador that was it was a paranormal podcast she had me on. She was
telling me the creature sightings of over twelve feet tall. That's huge, Matt.
You were going to say something there and we kind of went off the
trail. How are you doing? Oh, I'm doing good. Hopefully you
guys can hear me because I'm having some Internet issues myself. But all right,
perfect. I mean, there's so much I want to talk about tonight.
Obviously, the number one thing that comes from a lot of different researchers
is Bergmann's rule. So we're not looking at we're not hearing about these creatures
down in Florida, you know that, are you know, ten twelve feet
tall? Generally the creatures that you're hearing about in Florida could be anywhere from
six to eight feet. But the one set of stories that I heard about
was about the Nahani Valley and the headless people of the Nahani Valley, where
I guess there was a couple of people that they found their bodies and their
heads were missing. And this is in the Northwest territories. It is,
it is, so this is very close to the Arctic Circle. And the
one thing is is they were talking about up there that were that were in
nexcess of twelve feet tall, that were that were in this valley area.
So that kind of plays into the whole Bergman's rule that animals, some animals
from the same species could be bigger. I think a deer too. If
you see a deer, say from Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Florida,
they're generally smaller than say a Pennsylvania deer. If you look at a
deer from Maine, or if we're going out to west coast like Saskatchewan,
Alberta, those deer are huge compared, but they're still the same species.
And it's that could be where Bergmann's rule comes into play. The only thing
that throws Bergmann's rule off is humans. So what I did was I researched
the average size of the Inuit, which are commonly referred to as Eskimos,
you know, it's the Inua tribe, and I think they're they're average.
They're average height is about five foot six for males, it's rather small.
So you do have somebody that, you know, a human being that lives
in that area closer to the Arctic circle, but their bodies are smaller than
say somebody from you know, you know, from closer to the equator where
especially if you look in certain areas that I mean, you know, you
got these guys that are growing, you know, like we just said,
you know it six and a half seven feet tall, and you know they're
not coming from Canada. You know, they're not coming from from these northern
places. But the one kind of quotion that that comes into play is not
just environment but nutrition. So that plays a lot into it as well in
terms of humans. But humans kind of duck the bergman's role as opposed to
other species that that seemed to you know, go along with that. What
we leave to be is that because we have less tribal genetics, like be
into it. And the reason that they're all let's say five foot tall is
because everybody there is five foot tall, so consistently the genetics would make that
five foot tall person. But like if you put a bunch of seven foot
tall people that got let's we'll say, a plane crash is their name with
a with a basketball team, and it takes ten years to find them.
And would you have a bunch of seven foot six, you know, with
the range change because you had a new That's that's a good question. Genetics
does play a big part of it. But the other part that that plays
into it. Two is nutrition. People today. I mean we as we
as humans have gotten much bigger over the last almost one hundred years because of
because of the nutrition that we're having. You know, if I walked up
to you know, my great great great grandfather, you know, I'm I'm
six foot four, you know, and most people back in the eighteen hundreds,
your your average size is only about five eight or so. So again,
I you know, as you know, we're kind of changing a little
bit, you know, in a you know, faster reaction. But when
those northern areas like that, there were exception with the Vikings. I did
research people from Scandinavian countries and we always talked about the Vikings, you know,
like you know, there are these big, strong, monstrous people.
But on the other hand, they had it goes back to nutrition as well.
They had access to certain grain crops because they would go in a raid,
they had access to obviously all sorts of proteins, all sorts of fats,
so there's plenty of the variabilities to increase that size. But for the
Inuits, a lot of their their traditional diet is you know rather you know,
a lot of fat content, a lot of protein. But in terms
of the yes, yes, you know, you're not talking about the best
about the best growing the seasons up there in the in the Arctics, so
yeah, growing well kind of both trade to grill man, Yeah, yeah,
but like you make, you make a valid point, and like if
you look at like tribal areas where man doesn't interact with other people, Let's
say, for instance, like there was there was an article I read a
little while ago that from like two hundred years in France there was a place
that they were all in breeding because there's no ever, you know, Saint
Olive. You've got places like there's tribes in Africa that I've never seen another
person that's not part of their tribe. Then that and not exactly in breeding,
but I'm just saying that that they only have so much genetic whatever,
or like you know, when England and France and Spain would only the kings
and queens would only go with other kings and queens, and eventually you started
to see diseases and different things like that. The same could be with these
gigantic animals. If if you're if you're in an area where all the all
the apes are only five foot tall, you're not. You might get a
random seven foot tall ap. But you may have the secondary issue of they
may say that is weird. He doesn't get to mate with any of my
children, do you know what I mean? So you know, it kind
of goes. I don't know that being it's an animal, But on my
case, I like I said that exists. It's got to be smart.
There might be that question of he's genetically weird. We're not going to mate
with it, you know what I mean? Like a deer doesn't care a
deer than he He doesn't care the other deer six but he's only there,
but he just like, yeah, if I can get up on you know
whatever. You know, But you know, that's a good point. I
just saw. We we had a question just posed to us. You know
how many you know, how long ago was it that you know people over
six foot were giants? And and really I mean, you know you can
go back in history and especially like I I'm a big Civil War buff,
not as big as some of the other you know, some of our listeners
maybe, but I do you know, delve into it because we're close to
Gettysburg. But they would talk about these, you know, giant men who
were you know, like whether they're officers or you know, in the staffs
that were you know, straddling at six feet tall or six feet two.
So it was not as calm. It was still you were still getting tall
people, but it wasn't as common as you see today. I miss that
train. I'm not considered in time, and it can also consider value.
Like right now, if you're a taller person, you have some value,
yes, you know, if you're certain, like if you're built a certain
way, you have value. I'm not you know, And I would say
one hundred years ago, if you were built a certain way, you had
value. If you were built a different way, they didn't let you.
You know, they like said, hey, you go over there with those
people. You're not going to get near my daughter, you know. But
the thing was is now it's like, oh he's tall at six feet okay,
whatever. You know, they you know, if they had red hair
and green eyes. They weren't a witch, you know, yes, so
yeah, And even going back to you were talking about the indigenous people,
I was thinking of every swapping. You see videos of that that island in
Senegal off the coast of Senegal, with the that the tribe has had literally
zero contact with people. There was a missionary that I guess landed on the
beach and they ended up eating them at some point. But he had a
valid he validly wastowd multiple times. Get off there. Oh he was old,
Yeah, and then put one back. So you know, from a
guy who likes my front yard with everybody on it, I agree, I
agree if you saw the pictures, like you know, they I believe it's
under the under the jurisdiction of India and the Indian Navy actually patrols that area
so that there's no contact everything. Yes, but they will they will occasionally
take pictures. And when you see the pictures, you know it's they're a
taller people. You know, they're generally tall. They they had the long
arms quite different than what you see you know with the Inuit tribes throughout Canada
and Alaska. Solid points, Solid points, guys, are gonna take our
quick news break here, see if we can rally and reboot. And when
we come back, we'll continue this discussion true giants, maybe get into some
true giant stories when we come back with the Sasquatch experience. Folks stick around
New Steam a symbol. And so you figured that I would take about five
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Then then about thirty years past and Germany decides again to go to war,
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that guy kind that guy, And I'm not even gonna dignify him by saying
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Sasquatch Experience. And a happy Monday night to you all. I hope your
weekend recovery has gone well. But why did we bring up the Germany thing?
Well, it's kind of ironic. Germany is not really known for its
sense of humor, so a study was done out of Munich, Germany.
What's so funny? Well, a new study suggests that apes possess a sense
of humor just like humans. An international team has discovered that four species of
great apes are Rangutang's, chimpanzees, Bonobo's, and gorillas, all engage in
playful teasing with one another. This behavior, identified by cognitive biologist and primatologists,
mirrors human joking in its provocation, persistent nature, incorporating elements of surprise
and play. The findings indicate that all four grade ape species engage in this
playful teasing, leading the research team to propose that the foundational elements of humor
may have evolved in the human lineage at least thirteen million years ago. Now.
According to researchers, humor plays a crucial role in human interactions, relying
on social intelligence, the ability to protict future actions and the recognition and appreciation
of others' expectations are to be defined. Teasing shares many similarities with joking,
suggesting that playful teasing could serve as a cognitive precursor to humor. The researchers
conducted an analysis of spontaneous social interactions among apes that were playful, mildly harassing,
or provocative in nature. During these interactions, they closely observed the actions,
body movements, and facial expressions of the apes initiating the teasing, as
well as the reactions from those being teased. It was common for teasers to
repeatedly wave or swing body parts or an object in the middle of the target's
field of vision, hit or poke them, stare closely at their face,
disrupt their movements, pull on their hair, or perform other behaviors that were
extremely difficult for the target to ignore. Although playful teasing took many forms in
the study, researchers say it still differed from play in many ways. Playful
teasing in the Great Apes is one sided, very much coming from the teaser,
often throughout the entire interaction, and rarely reciprocated. The animal also rarely
use play signals, like the primary playface, which is similar to what we
would call a smile or hold gestures that signaled their intent to play. The
team also found that playful teasing mainly took place when the apes were relaxed,
and their behavior shared similarities with human behaviors. When we come back, it's
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I know you're hearing this somewhere a lot of hears anyhow, Folks, I'm
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Henry May your guides and hosts for tonight's episode of The Sasquatch Experience, Episode
ninety five. That big old Sasquatch talking about true giants and Matt was hitting
us with some heavy facts before we jumped off to the break. And guys,
some great stories you know from the pitt Lake, British Columbia area of
some some really large sized sasquatch. Hen Are you familiar with the pitt Lake
stories? Oh? Think I may have read about them, but remember much
about so you know, the problem is it's not a topic we talk about
a lot. Again, as you know, we had had this conversation.
Happened in the nineteen sixties to sixty five. You can find this on bigfootencounters
dot Com. Of course, Bobby Short's fantastic website still out there on the
internet. You know, Bobby might have passed on, but her legacy still
lives on with the Bigfoot Encounter's website. Great restores for historical Bigfoot stories.
If you get a chance, go check that out. Pitt Lake is twenty
to thirty five miles up the Fraser River from Vancouver, BC. It is
a very it is very rare that it's one of the largest freshwater lakes in
the world affected directly by the Pacific Ocean tides. That's an interesting fact for
you. An incident in the early nineteen sixties, this, of course,
is an article by Ken Christian. Go back to where I was in that
article because I wanted to quote the author. An incident in the early nineteen
sixties got me interested in the subject of SaaS squatch. When something like this,
a logging company owner by the name of Joe Manouk had a similar show
at a palace at a palace at a place at Lake called Frenchman's Bay now
known as Christian Cove on the maps. He went up the mountain about one
mile or so to get it some big timber and a very steep and rugged
canyon. In the process of setting up a temporary camp for his crew,
he towed a wood frame and plywood cook bunk house on a three foot round
skid logs up the valley with a D eight cat at some sort of equipment.
After the log show and got most of the good wood out, he
left the old cook bunk house up there for family and friends to use as
a hunting cabin, and one weekend during the fall of nineteen sixty two,
my friends fred Ron and Vince headed up to the area for some blacktail hunting.
Of course, they're called about blacktail deer. They reached the place on
a Friday afternoon and proceeded to give the old cabin a quick sweep to get
rid of the mouse droppings, chop enough firewood the last couple days, cook
some dinner, and then they hit the sack for some really much needed rest.
Sometime during the middle of the night, they were all rudely awakened by
a massive crash of something hitting the outside of the cabin hard enough to dislodge
to sew the stove pipes and fill the entire cabin with black soot and choking
smoke. At first light in the morning, they inspected the cabin fully.
They expected the cabin, fully expecting to find a giant boulder claw marks from
a big bear or some other such sign on the outside walls, but found
nothing. I went up the following weekend on a hunting trip and had a
good look around the cabin for myself. I found no broken branches on any
of the small olders that had sprung up besides the cabin, or anything else
to indicate something with a rational explanation responsible could have crashed into the cabin.
Over the years, I often pondered the thought of what could possibly hit the
cabin walls so high up above the skid logs on the bunk side, where
everyone was sleeping and probably snoring a bit, with the force required to knock
the stove in its pipes completely out of commission. Not one of us could
figure this out until later date, when the stories of sasquatch began to quietly
circulate among the area's loggers. In the late nineteen sixties, myself and a
few other commercial fishermen and old hand laggers went to visit Oscar Greenland, now
deceased, a longtime hand lagger and permanent resident of Pitt Lake. Oscar seemed
to enjoy our visits, as we always brought a bottle of his favorite gin
and some type of retreat for his faithful old dog. Sometime during the long
hour BS session, the subject of sasquatch was injected into the noisy conversation.
Oscar told us about a time some years back when he was heading up the
lake towards at home. Towards home at first light on a beautiful summer morning.
He went on to explain that the lake was as flat as glass and
there wasn't a breath of wind. As they were heading out from point to
point, he happened to glance towards the shoreline and noticed a rhythmic splashing about
three hundred yards away. Out of curiosity, he decided to head his old
east top powered ex grill nutter towards the beach and each in case someone was
in trouble. As he got closer, he noticed a downed alder or cottonwood
tree lying in the water, with what appeared to be a huge, dark
colored man ape jumping up and down on it, looking for all the world
like it was simply playing and totally amused by the splashes it was baking the
water his damp snaxt plane in the water. Oscar went on to explain that
the once the ape like creature spotted him getting closer, it went up the
tree faster than any man could have possibly gone, and quickly disappeared into the
bush. Old Oscar then asked if we thought there were any grizzly bears in
the Pit Lake country. While none of us had ever seen or heard of
a grizzly bear down low in his general neck of the woods, we asked
him why he inquired. Oscar said that one day he was up behind his
cabin cutting shake blocks when his dog suddenly began to growl, bark, and
generally go crazy. Oscar said he stared in the direction the dog's gaze was
fixed upon, and saw what he thought was about an eight foot or taller
grizzly standing on its hind legs, partially hidden behind some olders Oscar went on
to say that he heard plenty of bears grunt and cougar's scream in the day
in the bush, but never heard such a tremendously rout roar come from out
of any animal he knew of. So that one was about eight feet tall.
And there's another story that goes around the in nineteen ninety five in the
same area they find a fresh set of seventeen inch sasquatch tracks, and then
another story around that sixty to sixty five time where they saw a twelve foot
tall black sasquatch in that area. And so the Pitt Lake area, as
you could see in that ninety at that sixties the sixty five time had quite
a number of sightings reported. Think with that something large enough and impactful enough
to hit the side of that cabin and knock the stovepipe out of the wall
that's got shades of Ape Canyon to that story, something eight feet tall or
larger, And that's pretty damn big. I mean, even eight feet is
still a little bit larger than an acceptable creature should be. Well, I
was gonna say in the research I was doing too grizzly bears, And again
these are you know, not in that that particular area. But grizzly bears
could be, you know, standing on their hind legs up to ten feet
tall, and then a polar bear would be up to twelve. So you
know, but if you're not you're not seeing a polar bear, you know,
walking around in you know, southern you know, British Columbia or in
those areas that would be rather outside their region, correct, right, But
there was talk of that hybrid. I don't remember the name of that,
do you know what I'm referring to? It was an Alaskan killer bear.
It was like the hybrid of the grizzly and polar and it was really large,
like thirteen or fourteen feet tall, massive claws on it. And I
don't know if they ever found any truth behind that or not, but you
know what I'm referring to, man, Yes, yep. What else we
got out there for stories of the big fella pretty interesting, Henry. You
got the stories of true giants there we go. Well, I wanted I
kind of touched on it earlier, but the story at Big Horn, damn
in I think it was Alberta where several workers spotted a what they estimated to
be a fifteen foot tall creature standing there watching them. And the way they
determined it was fifteen feet was they went over there later and they measure the
tree, measured a tree which and they prepare they make comparison. They realized,
Holy crap, I think it was fifteen feet tall. Well, the
nice thing is when you have a tree so close you can go and actually
get a physical measurement of that. It makes all the difference in the world
when you can really get a true, accurate height assessment. And so you're
measuring something ten to fifteen feet. Could you imagine health just massive that is
just in scope when you're seeing that for the first time, Like I'm trying
to, you know, just imagine, you know, Matt, you and
I standing at a vista and all of a sudden looking at and there's a
fifteen tall ape looking for this. I'd be shitting a brick. I don't
know if it could handle that, to be honest, that's scary. And
these reports, you know, like I said, though uncommon, they're not.
They're uncommon in many areas. But you know, also in Alabama,
there was a story of a twelve foot tall twelve foot tall sasquatch creature and
they called it Big Joe. It was seen by four people in Alabama State
Route twenty two in Tallapoosa County, documented by bigfoot researcher Jim Smith. This
is on Fantoms and Monsters website. Took place within a four mile radius around
mile marker one thirty five, and Big Joe, as they called it,
was spotted twice within a four week time and according to Jim, the first
report was submitted by a woman who claimed to have been driving on the night
of Halloween when they spotted the creature. There's a hunting trail that goes into
the woods. When they came upon the curve, they look out the woods
and saw the black bigfoot walking down through the woods. And again, like
they said, just massive, massively tall creature twelve feet and that you know,
coming from Alabama, that's that's a rarity because in the South they tend
to be a little smaller, you know, less built and a little bit
more swamp ape swamp ape. Like this thing's about double the size of a
swamp ape. So you go back to James Baker's genetic freaks there or you
got you know, is there another you know, potentiality for a different type
of specimen down in the swamps of Alabama. James Baker is still with us.
You alive, Yes, okay, yeah, yeah, I could be.
And it matters what the season would be. Yeah, well this was
in the fall, you know. Yeah, maybe that's that's down in your
neck of the woods, Henry, Yeah, says that's right next door to
us, Mississippi. In Mississippi, do you have any twelve foot Do you
have any large creature sightings in Mississippi, Henry that you know of firsthand,
that you've collected over the years. All I know is that there have been
eight foot tall ones here Mississippi, you know, about taller than that now
twelve foot anyway, you know, eight foot tall according to the Field Guide
to Primates and Other Mystery Apes, that's considered a neo giant by Coleman and
Hugh and Hall. Still sizable creatures. And again, when you're normally looking
for something six to you know, six to eight feet tall, you think
anything over the eight foot tall is a little bit of an aberration. But
then you start getting into the conversation of are they male or females? You
know, which you know, the sexual dimorphism in different groups. You know,
is this one of those situations where the women are bigger than the men
in the in the hierarchy and we just don't know. You know, you
look at Patty as the Patterson gim One creature. She's six feet seven feet
tall, But is that considered average height? Ver sasquat? You know,
in California you don't get a whole lot of you know, variation. But
so when you talk about plausibility in these reports guys, and we start getting
citing reports of something that's seven to eight to ten feet tall on your credibility
scale. When you're first hearing that, where does it go? Where does
your meter start ticking off? I think it's how they present it more than
what the sizing is. If they're giving you, if it's you know,
nine hundred pounds and five feet tall, and you know, darn well,
there's got to be some kind of differential, you know, But if they're
telling you, you know, hey, it was about what I feel this
and some of the other conversational of like how they feel, like the hands,
the feet ratio and things like that, and I realized not everybody's going
to talk to a scientists. But you know, like if they're telling you
that it's you know, it was eleven feet tall, Okay, what did
you judge that by? And then they give you some gibberish answer. Then
that's when I'm more inclined to say, Okay, you may have you may
be overshooting it, you know, not fair enough. Well, I'm gonna
go right in along with James. There that a lot of people. You
know, First, A, you have to shock of what you're seeing.
You know, this is not something you see every day. I'm not sure
eventuate you know, but it's not something you see every day. Most people,
you know, do you know, form a trauma overseeing something that they
didn't think ever, you know, was supposed to you know, be alive
or be around. Generally with that and I've seen this with with my job
is people will exaggerate, you know that, you know, they'll you know,
when the creature may be you know six, you know, maybe maybe
seven feet tall, they might say, hey, it was way big,
it had to be you know, ten, twelve feet tall. I do
take a special consideration if the person's a trained observer, if it's a police
officer, if it's a somebody from the military veteran. Those people are trained
observers. They're they'll hopefully keep their you know, keep their wits about them
a little bit more and be able to to establish, okay, this is
what that that size was. But I think for the general person off the
street, that's that's going hiking and you know, not expecting to see something,
or they're driving down the road, you know, a dark road in
the middle of the night, you know, kind of like what happened with
my mom, you know, and she sees this thing, you know,
all hey, you know what it's it's bigger than her, so it's it's
going to be, oh my god, ten feet tall. The one We
did have one report, and I think you're familiar with this, but I
can't give too many details. This was reported to us. So it's actually
right down the road from my house, and the lady, who was a
young girl at the time, saw something staring in the window and behind her
house. Its mountain and then it goes into abandoned coal coal mining operation,
which is they don't use it anymore. It's basically kids just you know,
going out there and riding ATVs and such. But whatever this was, she
said, it was looking at her window, and from the ground to that
window which was which was in the kitchen, was seven and a half feet
tall. So unless this thing was up on its toes, you know,
you know, even if it was up on its toes, it's still pretty
darn big. So with something like that, if you have a fixed object
like that, a lot of people use trees, you know. I think,
you know, that's a pretty good reference point. Well from working at
a convenience store. That's why they have that little tape all the way around
the thing that has sizes, so that if you do get robbed or whatever,
you could kind of look at it, kind of judge where the head
is. Again an idea on what their height is. Yep. Well,
one of the things I was going to add there with what you were saying
so much, I think we have to also delineate what people are experiencing,
and so trace evidence that's left at a certain height may not necessarily mean that's
the height of the creature, that's the area of the reach. And I
think sometimes in the excitement, that confusion may add a little bit of embellishment
to the story. I mean, not necessarily always, but you know,
you see a handprint up thirteen feet all of a sudden, My god,
I say it was thirteen feet tall. Well maybe not. Hold on,
Yeah, it could have just been resting its hands up there. But even
if that's the case, you're still looking at something like eight to nine feet
tall or more, or with a pretty large reach. It's been a while
since I got since I had to go to the tailor, you know,
to get fitted for for either uniforms or uh, you know, a dress
code or something. But I mean, my arms are well, I'll try
to go back here. I mean, you know, on top of me
being six to four, you know, I can raise that arm up pretty
high. And if I am something that's you know used to you know,
being with the trees. You know, if i'm if I'm going to use
that tree either as a tool to hide or or some people claim that they
that they do climb trees as well, or use the uh use the branches,
you know. I mean, you know, if you have something that's
six six and a half feet tall and they raise that arm, that arm
is gonna look really really big, and especially if if it's a sasquatch arm
that's probably three four times the size of mine. You know, in terms
of what so massive appendage? Yeah, yeah, what we're gonna say,
back ahead, that wasn't its arm. No, But the a's the thing
you got to look at is is that you know a lot of these situations
where they say, well, it shook my house or whatever. How do
you know that's not a leaping arm? You know, like I'm I'm five
eleven, but when I leap, I'm six four. You know what I
mean? You know, I think I might be taller now, but I
don't know not much. I thought you were about six foot tall there,
I thought you. Well, no, I mean, I mean when I
leap. You know, I've not seen you jump, so I can't.
Really White men can't jump. It's more of a reactionary jump. It's usually
a backwards motion more than a Last time I see you, I seen you
react to something in terror. You almost cut your leg off with a pruner.
So he thought it was a snake, and instead of jumping and moving,
he just takes as a blade and just starts cutting away whatever's nearest.
Like if it was a chainsaw, he'd be one one appendage less. But
am anyhow, that's neither here nor there. The Pennsylvania, chainsaw dismemberment.
Yeah, aguess these tories, you know, permeate a lot of the Northern
States. Canada. Man, you know, when we go think about the
Manitoba footage, Henry Bobby Clark man Otoba footage from the early two thousands.
They estimated that creature at about ten feet tall. I believe, if my
memory serves me correct, that was the footage that was bought by a current
affair. It was hot for a good New York minute and then it was
gone, and just as quick as it it appeared, it didn't have long
last day. It was really bad quality though, was it not, Henry?
Yeah, it was basically a blob squad. I say, yeah,
that was taken from a riverboat, right or some sort of boat, and
it was of a big foot walking along the shoreline. I'm trying to remember
that. But as just as we're sitting here talking, I'm like, well,
you know, that's again, you know, potential evidence. But it
was so poor quality you couldn't tell what it was. But it was enough
for a current affair to pay for it. That's not saying much. I
think they also tried to get al Capone's tomb opened up a vault. I'm
sorry, go ahead, Henry, what were you going to say? Bud
and Crida Fair also sit in the next edition up there, trying to pull
some information on that because you know, again, I think Bobby Clark also
passed away. Not long then we started talking about the the Bigfoot Curse.
Remember that's another episode we should do the Bigfoot Curse people dying. I'm trying
to. I'm just doing a quick Google search here for the Foot to see
if I could pop it up. Yeah, you know, as sad as,
I've been trying to go through and find stories today for the episode,
and it's it's difficult. I had to get into books, guys. I
had to get back into the books and do some search in for this.
There's another good book right here. Bigfoot The True Stories of Apes in America
by Lauren Coleman is one of my top ten. All right, I mean
another story, but it there's it's more of a fable, and if you
ask any vet, especially anyone that was deployed, you know it's a story.
But they always talked about the Kandahar Giant. Yeah, we did a
whole episode on that. Yes, yes, so, but apparently the story
kind of comes out all throughout that in Middle East and in parts of Asia
particularly, you know, from Afghanistan into Iran Pakistan, where you have these
giants that live in these mountains. It sounds like I said, ask but
to them, you know, they they consider them men and a lot of
times they use tools, they may be clothed, they look more human,
although to me it almost sounds like it's more of an alma, you know,
than really anything else. Yeah, you know, and Maine, there's
stories of this, and you guys can go into Lauren Coleman's book that we're
looking here at page twenty nine, starts talking about some of the giants in
May the st STrenD Do STrenD Do, which are cannibals. You know,
a lot of these creatures that you know, we consider to be sasquatch are
fall under the cannibal giants a Native American war and though their hair covered and
they're considered, like you said, Matt, more giant creatures or Indians people
than they are of a man like beast. And of course that sasquatch.
That's yes, the pace and I'm trying to find there was a there's a
book I was reading that's not anything having to do with Bigfoot. But it
was called When Furr was King forty years in the Hudson Bay Company, and
it's written by Henry Moberly and it basically it's a great book for somebody that
that's into the backcountry and you know, going into the bush, and especially
from from that time period. But it's funny because there was a there was
a part where I guess he was him and somebody else were stranded in an
area and the natives, and I believe it was Cree, had told them
to watch out because there was a cannibal. And now they considered that person
another native, another indigenous person, but they said that there was a cannibal
that was in that particular mountain range. They didn't have a contact with it,
but they were told about it. So that was kind of interesting as
well. Oh is that when you get the stories of go Ahead, James
all under more of a wind to go than a big But I mean,
I always feel like when you talk about some of the Native stories and some
of these stories about don't you know, go to certain areas, they were
more protected towards not getting you know, there was something important there. They
didn't want them to bother, you know, like or there was something there
that that could have harmed them as well. Right, But the worst movie
I ever saw was The Village. It wasn't made badly, but at the
end just pissed me off. And I can go into that for an hour,
but like, you know, but the fact is is that they created
something to keep everybody in lie, keep everybody in the village, keep everybody
whatever. Because a lot of the Native Americans and a lot of the Native
tribes realized that if you went too far from the village, other tribes could
killed you. You know, your your, your, your carnivore, your
your, your savage was just another tribe. And if you went too far,
you know, kind of like you know, if we if you're you
know, go from one country to another, you know, by accident,
you know, you could be killed because you don't belong there. And I
think some of these stories are originated the same way. It was, Hey,
don't go past this ridge because that's not our area and it's something safe.
And then a kid are like, well, I'm a big man.
No, no, no, it's a spirit you know, just don't you
know. The one thing is is that when you look at the wind to
go, the wind to go, you know, depending on which tribe and
which uh you know, which uh folklore you listen to, some of them
are this tall lanky you know creature and what we're talking about today, especially
with some of the signings that they've had, particularly in in northwest Canada,
are these tall lanky bigfoots. So is there a correlation between the wind to
go? And maybe they had seen them generations ago and they're using that as
a model to scare the uh, you know, the youth not to stray
away from the tribe. Well, I'll tell you what. We'll get a
wind to go guy on here and we'll talk about that, get a little
delineation and help educate us not so educated on the native mythos of Sasquatch and
you know which way we should be shame on us. But we'll get an
expert on here to help talk to us through the differences on that on an
upcoming program, because I think that'd be fun for everyone, folks. That's
time for tonight, ten o'clock. I maan that hour flew and we were
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