It's the Internet. You're busy, Let's do this. Welcome to the Game
Mesticides podcast. This is the podcast where we decide everything about the world of
games so you never have to think for yourself. I'm your host Jeff Grubb,
and with me is yell yah yah. I'm mouse single and ready to
mouse mingle. It's Mike Minatti. In today's episode, the Leaderboard respectors have
logged on Mount Rushmore of Leaderboard. Games Stand Fantasy critic huh the leader It's
all leaderboards all the way down. That's the only thing I'm thinking about this
week, even mostly because they won't give it to me. Mike, how
are you doing? I'll give it to you, buddy. It's gonna be
one of those episodes. I'm alright, skyrissed upstill so, but which it
turns It turns out I was just a headache, really right? Yeah.
A sense of domination like that you could take over anything. That's what it
seems. I think I always have that. Maybe I'll trust to you if
you think it seems more out of control than the normal, you know what,
it's all the same. Just I think the level of inhibition, which
is almost always zero, fully is at zero. Now it's a negative that
we're over sharing to an alarming degree in reverse, and we are all on
mouse mingle dot com of course. Yeah, how is it going otherwise?
You gotta you got, like anything happened in your life that we should know
about that you do want to overshare about beyond the mouse mingle. No,
I just want to stay, don't play video games. That's what I want
to do. I like that. I don't know. I want to like
take some time off soon, catch up on like not like crazy, Like
can I take a couple of days I can, like you know, some
places, like really catch up about Fantasy fourteen and other things. Maybe actually
take a real vacation at some point. That might be nice now that like,
you know, the super hotness is cooling down a little. Yeah,
there's some places, maybe go to some some Guardians games almost said Indians,
excuse me please, I'm already getting canceled over Liquid Death not that one too.
That and Paprika, I'm full of real spicy takes that anger people.
Literal spicy takes. Yeah, well little spice takes, I suppose, Yeah,
yeah spicy, yeah, yeah, I wish Paprik goes spicy would actually
taste something, It would actually taste something. Yeah, you agree. I
know you're afraid to pipe up because you know I'm getting so much, but
I know you agree with me. Yeah, and I think I echoed everything
you said. I'm like, but hey, he's going to get the heat.
I'll let him take it. Yeah, that's fair. I understand.
I respect it. Yeah for sure. Yeah, I'm I'm kind of the
same way over here where I am wishing I could play even more video games
than I am. I'm I am playing a lot of nes what's called the
Remix and yes, Nintendo World Championship, and we'll talk about that here at
the end of the show today. We'll also talk a little bit about it,
I guess in the new Yeah, we'll talk about the news and lack
of leader boards there. But yeah, it's it's it's been good. I'm
just kind of looking forward maybe to to the weekend. It's been. Last
weekend was like, oh, the first real weekend I had a long time,
and then I just basically spent it all weekend like doing stuff around the
house. So I want one where I can like sit down, excuse me,
sit down for like several hours in a row. That would be cool,
right, I think I said that, like, this week's been tiring
because you know, last weekend I was in La and yeah, you know
it was thought like it was some arduous ardress thing, but it's traveling.
Traveling always tires me. Yet it does, guys suck to come back home
on a Sunday, right, kind of messes up the schedule a bit.
Yeah, That's why it really was rough for me coming back from Michigan on
that Sunday night at like midnight, twelve thirty and having to work the next
day and I'm like, I'm I'm just I'm so run down, I'm basically
sick. I'm just going to take the day off. Well let's you know,
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Mike Big Topics, let's get into it. Let's start with anys remix.
Well, it came out this week. The reviews have been mostly middling,
and it comes down to a couple of things. Some people say the
content is pretty slight, which I think is probably gonna be fair in the
long run, although I'm kind of in the middle of it right now and
join it a great deal. And then a lack of online features, specifically
leaderboards, but also like ghost data things like that or selectable ghost data.
Basically being able to play this game with your friends online in any way is
completely absent, and it feels like that goes against like what they were marketing
the game as. But in the end it's like they're like, no,
it's you know, there's gonna be a World championship every week, We're gonna
select five events. There's gonna be a leaderboard for that, and that's and
the rest of the game is practice basically, it's strange. And then there's
a party mode of course, if you want to play locally. This is
this has been Nintendo this generation where they are very much into the idea of
taking these these concepts and focusing them first as a local multiplayer games, maybe
primarily for families, and I kind of at a part of me is like
I can't fault them before going after the audience that really brought them here,
Like that's you know, dance with the one that brought you that's who they
are going after every time, with every single one of these decisions, and
yet this just feels like a huge oversight. How are you feeling after getting
a little bit of time with the game, Yeah, I mean it's it's
it is weird on this one. You got to talk about this. It's
one of thing with Mario Party that's going to appeal to like, you know,
family units that are you know, inherently have multiple people in the house.
Mario sporting games, right, even those are like going to be like
for that audience to a certain degree. Right, a collection of like old
an yes games repackaged in a more competitive way is and then I'll say it
like the most boomer game Nintendo has ever made, and it is specifically going
to speak to a very savvy audience who's kind of you know, ready to
play games online. And I think a lot of people that they want to
play these games with do not live with them, maybe aren't even in the
same states as them. So it is bizarre because it is really a game
that seemed to tailor made for a leader board feature, and it would not
be a difficult thing to make, and I really am missing that kind of
you know, feedback on it. I'm having fun doing these challenges. I
think the kind of the presentation of it's a lot of fun. I like
how they kind of make it feel like it is this competition or like even
the sound effects and all that stuff, but it's kind of weird, Like
I get a time and aside from the game telling me if I got like
an S, which is basically which is like a goal, and it's fun
to get an S. But after that, like, I don't have any
feedback in terms of like, you know, oh, like how much better
can I do? I guess I gotta go online and see how people are
doing or like literally it's what I've done, text my friends to see what
their time is in a challenge to see if I need to beat it or
not. Like I'll do that because I think this stuff is fun. But
it's just wild that it's not built into this experience. Yeah, feedback is
definitely something I've really been noticing, where, you know, I'm trying to
figure out a challenge and I am like, okay, am I on the
right track. I'm getting like A A plus A plus plus, which is
like all the ranks before S, and I'm like I'm like, right there,
am I missing something and not being able to go and see someone's ghost
data to figure out like, Okay, how did the number one player do
it? So you're you're kind of like at a disadvantage there. The game
is not like super searchable yet because it just came out. There's not a
lot of resources for it, so searching for it, like I like search
some of these things on Twitter, like, so the names of some of
the challenges, no one's really posting about them yet. So part of that's
going to be. This is for a boom er audience, and they're they're
just playing the game and they're not really tweeting about It's not like it's some
huge seller. It's not going to be. But it's like it just feels
like you are so on an island on your own and that how how like
far can you really push yourself in that situation? It's it's gonda like and
I think the whole idea of the game is to push yourself. And I've
been in scenarios here where I am trying to get the S rank and some
of those S ranks are difficult, or at least they were they would require
some like probing of the level to figure out exactly what you need to be
doing to accomplish that. And that is fun, like you said, to
a point, but after that year, You're right, you're just kind of
all on your own. I've been pretty frustrated by that, right, And
like because of Nintendo, I bet fans are going to come together and make
some kind of resource for this. That is going to be nice, right,
you know, I was thinking about like these things, all these levels
could just be you know, different things on speed run dot com. Like
we could just be submitting our videos to speed run dot com and at certain
points like yeah, we could, but like how much can that really support?
Like how many like people are going to be able to watch those videos
to confirm them. It sounds like a lot of work, but I mean
it's better than nothing. I kind of hope it gets to that point.
And it's like, you know, I think the really short challenges are actually
kind of fun. Ones like just get the sore and zada there is going
to just be an optimal obvious like first place straight to it, Like everyone's
going to be thousands of people tie for first place at some point on those
But it's fun but yeah, I mean that's the thing though, Jeff,
like, I am really enjoying it, oh like you and I've played for
like an hour. I do think it's really fun. I like going through
these little challenges. Even that, like the World Championship mode, I think
is a good idea. I do like that format. It seems to like
it should be one feature instead of the main one of the game. I
also, really it's silly, but I really liked how I was able to
pick my favorite Nis game. And while you know there's only so many games
here, when you pick your favorite ANYS game, it is like all of
them as far as I do now. Yeah, Like I was like,
I bet Mike Tyson's punch Out won't be on. There will just be punch
Out with Mister Dreamer. It's like, no Mike Tyson's punch Outs right there.
Yeah, So, like you know, I was like, oh cool,
I gut actually picked Megan Man three not just my favorite asking but my
favorite game. And I don't know like why that mattered to me or felt
cool, but it did. Did you pick Mike Tyson's punch Out as your
favorite NYS I did, Yeah, I did. I picked Mike Tyson's punch
Out, mostly because I'm like, maybe they'll see this and they'll put punch
Out in this game in an update, but also because I like it.
But no, I think you're getting into a point that I'm definitely a Hue
fan of. The presentation is fantastic. It's really really good. I think
they are doing a good job of capturing with the Nintendo World Championships, like
art style looked like back in the nineteen nineties. I think it's when it
happened. It feels like I'm watching the end of the Wizard. The Wizard.
Yeah, I almost wish they would find a way to bring those but
like running scoreboard guys that would have like the line behind them. I wish
they had that in the game a little bit. That's always like running through
my head. But whatever, it's pretty close to that, and it definitely
feels like it could be like right next to all of those assets. And
I think the music's good in terms of like being in the menus, selecting
the stuff from the men us is good when you're actually playing the level.
There's the crowd sound effect that I thought was very cool, like it worked
on me. I like the pins It's kind of like the achievements. I
like, you know, the player icons that you can unlock more. I
unlocked the Ridley one, and I like, yeah, Ridley eight bit Ridley.
It's such just a goofy look and I love it. Yeah. And
then it like really does just hone in on these very specific moments and these
levels, and they know what they're doing. They're picking all the moments I
would have picked from like Super Mario Brothers. You know, yes, hitting
the blocks in one two, running through all one to one, getting sure,
getting thirty coins and having to kind of go across two levels to do
that. Things like that. It's like and there's a good variety of the
three second ones, and there's a good variety of Okay, this one's gonna
be thirty seconds, and then you get an occasional one that's like a minute
long, and I think they do a really good job at that. And
then when you do find one of these ones that is you know, three
four, five seconds, and you are like, just okay, I keep
getting no matter what I do, I just shaved off two tenths of a
second and I'm still in a plus plus. What do I have to do
to get an S and you start like fueling the difference between a tenth of
a second because it just causes this time dilation of you are so locked in
that you feel every movement finally that your fingers are doing. Like a lot
of times I'll just kind of be like I'm sitting back playing a game whatever.
Here. You really got to get in there and feel every little movement
that you're making once you are locked in, and the game just completely facilitates
that. It's really good at it. And sometimes it's like you have to
get a little creative. Like there's one like just kill all the octo rocks
on the screen in Zoda one and like to get an S you kind of
have to like wait for like a moment where two octo rocks overlapping you can
get it like two of them with one sort strike. Things like that.
It's fun, it's neat. How did you discover that? Did you discover
that organically? Yes? Yes? Okay, so that's cool. That's oppressive
because the way I discovered it was I did go into the online mode,
which is you fighting against other people's ghosts, and I went to the hard
one and I was watching the replay I'm like, how did this guy do
it in three seconds flat? And I was able to watch the replay and
see that he got S rank by hitting the one on the left, hitting
the top one, and having the beam hit the second one and then turn
to the right and immediately hit that one, and I'm like, okay,
great, now I'll go into the because I think that was also part of
the World Championship lineup this week, and I'm like, okay, I'll go
do it there, and I set up perfect time there basically, so I
also do like and it's a little thing, but I'm glad that when I
do these challenges in the World Championship Mode, if I then like go to
do them in the main game, it does remember what the time is there?
Yes exactly, that's already did that one, even if you haven't unlocked
it, because like, uh, that's with that one. I was like,
I haven't unlocked that yet, and it's weird. I could see it
there. It's not selectable because I gotta beat this first level first. I
did that, and it's like okay, no, yeah, you could do
it if you want, but you already have your S rank. Care I'm
very cool. The World Championship mode specifically is another strange one because that isolation
of doing the five challenges and having no idea where you're going to be on
the leaderboard. There is no leaderboard yet. The leaderboard will happen on Monday.
Apparently that is very strange. So I'm liked. I mean, part
of me is like, you know, okay, I got I set the
times that feel pretty good. I guess whatever happens will happen. But on
Monday, I'm probably gonna get it. It's like, oh, I thought
I did really good. I actually it turns out I didn't do good.
A lot of people did perfect on all five levels. And then like it's
done, and it's done, and then what is the leaderboard going to show
me. It's gonna show me my global spot and it's gonna show me that
my birth year ranking and that's it. So I'm not even gonna see where
my friends were on that list. So of course we'll be able to share,
but but there's gonna be a lot more people playing then I'm gonna be
sharing with. It's it's bizarre, But in the moment when I'm playing the
game, I'm just like the part there was occasional occasions where I was like,
this is almost a religious experience where I'm like getting so in touch with
this five second level that I am like seeing through the matrix and I'm connected
with the game one on one, and I could like was doing tricks to
like sort of like not be thinking that was like trying to put like I
was like imagining a baseball game happening in the back of my head, and
so I wouldn't like actively be engaging with what's happening. I'm just like letting
my body react. And I started playing even better. So there's just so
much cool stuff the game is doing. It feels tailor made for me,
which makes it that much more frustrating that the leaderboards aren't there right because I'm
I mean, I really am enjoying it, and a lot of ways is
the game exactly what I wanted. It's just missing this very key and simple
feature. It's so simple, like I don't really there to going to point
me. He's like, please just patch it in or something, put it
there. I'm just not expecting it. Not expecting it, but I'm not
I'm not trying to get my hopes up. Yeap, it would be great.
Yeah, I so I am feeling very positive about what I am playing.
And then and then in the same breath, I would likely say it's
very specifically made for us people who did really grow up on these games,
Like I am one just bringing in the way I've been playing Super Mario Brothers
my entire life into this game and getting to like use that in this stuff.
Uh. For a lot of other people, I think it is going
to feel slight. It is going to feel like, Okay, you know,
I'm just trying to go get an A I guess on some of these
and then I'll go to the next one and I'll get an A or be
on that whatever, go the next one. If you're gonna play it that
way, there's not going to be a lot here for you, especially because
I don't see the appeal of the Global Leaderboard World Championship Challenge each week if
that's how you're playing. So sure, Yeah, it's hard to recommend to
most people, even though it feels like a perfect game for me up until
the Leaderboard thing. Yeah, I mean I would wreck you if you are
like an as head, I would recommend it. Still, I think it's
just I think those people a lot of them, right, Yeah, Like
if you're on the fence, it's it's hard to like push you over on
that side of actually getting it all right. After years of working on Hitman
project, doub seven Leads says, working on a new James, working on
the James Bond game feels organic because it's so close to our DNA that it
just feels seamless. Basically, they just kind of gone to say they'd like
they're having a lot of fun. They are taking a lot of what they
learned from from Hitman and applying it to James Bond. Does that encourage you
because it does me when I hear them, Like, I'm glad that they
are taking the formula and adapting it for James Bond and not trying to make
a whole new game necessary, Right yeah, I'm gla saying like, yeah,
it really fits our DNA or not. Like we you know, went
outside of our wheelhouse like ll right, Like I mean people go outside the
whelouse works. So I was talking today with Sean about High Bye Rush,
great example of going out your wheel house in it working. But I think
part of sometimes you get a red fall. Sometimes you get a red fall,
Yeah, sometimes and I think being able to recognize where they are,
like the experts at something, and then they're applying that to James Bond.
I think that is going to be a very hugely beneficial to this game in
the end, because we can all kind of see how that makes sense.
And then of course there's some question marks about exactly what kind of game it's
going to be, exactly how it's going to work. But I'm glad they're
like, no, we pick this ip because we think it makes sense,
and now that we're making it, it's working out exactly like that. Do
you think this is a game that, like we'll have online multiplayer or something
like that, just because of the legacy of Double O seven, or do
you think they're just like their own little game? Okay, yeah, I
mean I think you make your own little game like almost now more than ever,
it's like more than other right doing that. I mean, look,
there's the legacy of Golden Eye, and then there were a bunch of other
James Bond games that never recaptured that anyway, So I think you can just
move on from that. It's okay, yeah, people get it. I
do wonder about I forget They already said that, like, it's not going
to be like based off any of the specific James Bonds. But I do
wonder like what the ViBe's gonna because I kind of hope it is like almost
you know, more like wacky's gadget James Bond as opposed to like, you
know, grittier real agent stuff, you know. And they have that opportunity
to do that because they are literally in the middle of James Bond's right now,
Like the idea of who James Bond is is kind of more up in
the air and up to you to decide than ever at the moment. Also,
I think, you know, hit Man definitely can get very wacky and
silly while also playing it straight, and that makes it better. I think
if they kind of go for the same tone here and it is you know,
Roger Moore style h James Bond, Jami A Moon level. Yeah,
and then there's like he's taking on the Moon very seriously, but we all
see it and he's doing wacky stuff. To me, that sounds ideal.
Yeah, And I think you're right. I think the thing that's least likely
is trying to go for the Daniel Craig style. It feels like that that's
you know, it's played out just enough that and you're you know, you're
coming off a bunch of those movies. They're going to try something new.
Like you said, we're in between those. That feels like catching a train
that has come by long ago and there's no point to chase that anymore.
Isn't it interesting how they're kind of taking their time here recasting Bond in my
mind, when like when the Pierce Brass and the movies were done, like
the Daniel Craig, things started moving very quickly. Yeah, right, and
that felt the same. I bet they wish they had someone picked already.
But yeah, I wonder if it's the kind of thing where enough actors are
at a point where they're like, I don't know if I want to commit
to all those movies these days, but I don't know, or maybe they
just feel like they can't find the right one. I'm not sure. Maybe
they decided to let it breathe a little bit. I do not. I
don't. I didn't see like the last couple of those Daniel craigondo because I'm
not a big bond guy. Like a couple of them fine, but not
really my thing. But the games are often very fun. In fact,
the games usually do more for me than the movie. So I'm very much
looking forward to this, and you know I will afford to it just because
it is the Hitman people that those games are incredible. Real quick, before
we go to this other story I've written down, there were a lot of
people this week that were freaking out once again about Gears of War coming to
PlayStation because of a job listing. Did you see this? No, I
didn't see this. So the job listings, there's you know, it's the
typical stuff and it's like preferred qualifications and this is a bullet pointed list and
it's you know, interest in multiplayer gaming, experience with unreal engine. Excuse
me, had a cough. It gets down to experience with Xbox Live,
PSN, Steam or other gaming platforms. And people are reading that like it's
coming to PlayStation, it's definitely coming to PlayStation, and well it might be
coming to PlayStation. That feels like a big extrapolation from that sentence because what
they're saying is we want someone who has experienced with online platforms, right,
and it doesn't matter what online platforms it is. We just need someone who
knows that shit because they can apply that to whatever wherever the game ends up
now. At the same time, I think that, you know, who
knows what happens with these games in the future. But it also feels like
we're the conversation about oh, could these games come to PlayStation is one that's
mostly settled. Yes, they could come to PlayStation going forward. We know
that now, and they keep saying they keep sug just in that even more
is on the table, So I just won't be surprised if it actually ends
up. But this feels like a very particular This feels like a reach in
this moment. What do you think? No, I think again, like
I will not be shocked if Gears of War shows up on PlayStation, like
as soon as this next one. It's still like the one where it's like,
you know, but maybe not, maybe even probably not, but like
they're considering it. They're absolutely talking about it, and yeah, it wouldn't
be some shocking things. What if you think that's something that's going to upset
you, I start preparing yourself right for the eventuality of it, so that
maybe you'll be over it when that happens. And also if you're like one
of these PlayStation fanboys. It's like this here it is proof that they're dead.
It's like this has happened a bunch of times already, it's going to
happen again. Like the conversation for this is settled. It is we get
what's happening here. They keep repeating themselves, they keep doing it, so
kind of just get used to it because this is the new normal. And
yet at the same time, I think, I think I tend to agree
with you that it's probably unlikely, unlikely for this next Gears of War game,
the one that just got announced, at least especially at like day and
date. Maybe it's the kind of thing that a year later, who knows
what happens. You know, going from Gears of Ward to Halo, you
see that the Halo TV show A Paramount Plus has been canceled after two seasons.
See like, people like season two a bit more than season one.
But it wasn't some giant turner. No fallout, that's for sure. And
then that apparently the producers and Microsoft and everyone's the Ambulance Entertainment Steven Spielberg are
looking for a new home for it. But I don't know. Good luck,
I'm not gonna watch that show. Yeah, it just seems like I
just I don't know, maybe you count your losses at this point. It
just seems like it's wild that you miss with that. And I know it's
always hard, but boy, boy, did you not want to miss with
that Halo show? Yeah, I mean, listen, I didn't watch it,
so I'm not serious. I mean in terms of reception and popular I
mean the fact that it's canceled, not two seasons, it's a miss.
Yeah, No, I'm yes, right, no, definitely, I'm just
saying I didn't watch it so and I was about to like criticize it still,
so I was like caveating that, but I didn't watch it. That
said, if I were making that show the decisions that I've heard they made,
I was just there's no way you just make it much more of an
action show, you know, like a you know, it's a it's an
animated show. So maybe this is not the one to one, but like
a Ginde and I can't say Stan Guinea Tartatowski show, like Samurai with Jack
Samurai Jack, Yes, or like the Clone Wars shorts show that they did
something along those lines where you can have long moments of silence and just action.
Storytelling through action. That would be cool. I guess. I get
that's expensive for live action, but that's what you're making with Halo. I
don't know what else you think you're gonna be able to pull off, because
clearly you didn't pull it off, right, And I understand it's a little
challenging because I don't know, like Halo always kind of presents itself as being
more mature than it really is a lot of times, I understand that the
Law has more going on, but I agree with you, right, And
I understand how like, you know, maybe you're tempted to do weird things
like we gotta you know, really we got to add sex to Halo and
more, you know. And yeah, it's like you're kind of making a
Star Wars really at the end, and it's like a slightly more military ish
Star Wars. You're making like if the Clone Wars was good, I don't
know, right, yes, exactly, Well, even though the cartoon,
I mean, like I met the action, right, okay, sure,
yes, and then and it's like, yeah, it even has like the
complicated like oh, you know, the Jedi take these kids when they're young
and train them and take away with their parents. Isn't that complicated? Things?
Like, yeah, that's what they do in Halo too. There's like
similar stuff there, and it's yeah, you can definitely explore all that stuff.
But for the most part, I think you just want to make big,
bombastic action show. Uh that that then has some like cool sci fi
stuff happening underneath the surface. But do you do you want to know what
happened on the Laura on Halo with the what they do when they take it
with the kids? Sure tell me they're gonna say no, But now I
do a curate. They clone the kid and then they give they give the
clone to the family, but the clone is like a defected clone, so
he dies a young age. So it's like all they were messed up.
It's like what do you hell? Yeah, that sounds a good time.
Uh yeah, good luck with your third season. But uh, we all
know like where Microsoft's real attention is at with with the with their television stuff,
and it's on Fallout, an Emmy nominated show, Like yeah, a
very successful show that is also getting critically it's nominated for Best Drama. Like
that's crazy, right, that wave. I mean, it's not gonna win
because it's got to go against Showgun and Ship, but still getting nominated.
It's crazy. All right, we know what it is. We talked about
it last week. Now it's confirmed to be like Cohan, the Smiling Man
Dash the Famicom Detective Club. That's right, a new Famicom Detective Club game.
You didn't know this, Christian, I wonder why you're criticizing us when
we put this on the rundown again you're like, oh, we already talked
about this, like yeah, but now we know where it is. And
then about anime. I don't know for the for the the thing with the
disc isn't it the weird funny Carl, isn't it them system? Is that
what you're thinking of? Yeah? Yeah, the famicomt Detective Club games might
have been disc system games. That's possible. I don't know, but uh,
they they they definitely never came out here originally, but they did release
some remakes on the Switch two years ago. I don't know recently enough.
I think there's also I remember people talking about this because it's like like a
bisho. No, there would be something that's something that you're to think of
something else because the fanco Detective Club games, only like there was a huge
gap, and then that was that was why it was a big deal when
they came home to switch. There are similar things than Nintendo's done. But
yes, so this way the first new Famicom Detective Club game in thirty five
years or something like that. I think that's right, and okay, I
think it's just kind of cool. Like listen, it's I'm not gonna pretend
this is living up to my imagination when we heard, oh, sure it's
making a new M rated game, but my imagination got out out of hand,
like of course it did. To hear that this is the reality,
I'm like, okay, let's reset things, and now I think this is
a cool idea. I do am I gonna play it. You know,
I'm not a visual novel guy, but I don't know. I think they
did a good job with this, and I'm kind of curious. I know
a lot of other people are very disappointed, but I don't care. Yah,
yeah, I'm not disappointed. Like I was never like destantly excited for
what this could be because I always had a hard time figure out what it
could be. And then as soon as you do, like say to Detect
Family Contact title quote, like, oh, that makes sense. Maybe I
should have seen that coming. Yeah, Jason Bonelli said exactly down on the
show, and I'm like, as soon as you said that, I'm like,
that's probably what it's going to be. So glad he called it like
that, right, And you know it's nice. Uh, the the the
Metroid guy is back to do this, right, so it's kind of like
a little pet project for him. So so that's fun. Yeah, why
not Sakamoto? That's right, Yes, sho Shio Sakamoto. Hey, why
not? It seems it definitely feels like a kind of a late late to
life, yes, or a switch game. Hey. I'm always saying the
title should revivee more old franchises. I can't like take that back just because
it's not necessarily one I care about. I'm glad they're doing it. Yep.
Same, exactly interesting and if if it's not for you, I listen,
I got a lot of games coming out and so makes it like the
other Phantom thing it's about it's about serial killers. Okay, but the other
Family Contact technicans aren't m rated, are they? I don't. I don't
think so. But you know they were written in a very different time.
Did the rating existed back then? When they did it? Remake it?
But like it's a little more like they killed people. The two case collection
is rated tea for teens, So no that they weren't. So they're getting
their ramping up. Yeah, I can only assume is sex and violence,
well serial killers, yes, yeah, it'll be like there'll be some like
references to whatever the however, the serial killer is killing people and that'll be
that'll get you an M rating. All right, that does it for the
big topics of the week. Of course, if we didn't talk about something
you want to talk about, well, you have your opportunity to guess to
do exactly that through the super chats, which we're going to get you right
after these messages and we are back and as promised, super chats, Mike
been do you have those in front of you? Why do you go ahead
and read those right now? All right? Big Fresh thirty seven is two
weeks ago, classified military secrets were leaked on the forms for the video game
war Thunder in order to win a forum fight. This is the fourteenth time.
That's incredible, wow, but wait, the fourteenth time this has happened
well, I would assume. I mean, I don't think it's the fourteenth
time that they sent a super chat. Uh, so yeah, we'll see
that. Yeah, I definitely have heard stories like that before. I remember
hearing that in the past two weeks ago is not when I heard that,
So yeah, that must be another time. Maybe that's a discord and this
cord happens also, are you people arguing and they're like the dropped some knowledge
and it's like, oh, classify his documents from the military. That is
incredible, especially like just imagining what the warth under scene must be, like,
oh god, that's gotta be kind of a nightmare. That sounds incredible.
Simon SD says Jeff and Shawn. I want to learn more about general
hardware. Do you two have recommended sources? Mike, you're supposed to be
found fancy sixteen not sex? Hey look, uh, I know, Sean,
what do you think shy? Yeah, go ahead, there he is
everybody there's Sean. Yeah, I know what we're talking about. Yeah,
there you go, thanks Sean. Uh. Digital Founderies got a weekly podcast,
and you don't want to watch all their videos, but you watch those
as well. That's good. Like and then if you want general hardware,
you don't actually start even broader than that, start with like just general technology.
There is a YouTube channel called Technology Connections. They just did a video
about awnings, like the things that go over windows, and there's the best
they're the best fucking videos on YouTube. Sky just knows what he's talking about.
He'll do the science, he'll do the math for you. Uh it's
just the best shit on YouTube. It's great. Uh So start there and
then go to your library and like there's always going to be a couple of
good books on like hey, how computer graphics work and stuff like that if
you're or whatever topic you're interested in, and you could read those, listen
to books on tape and you'll get like a general understanding of just like how
these things are rendered in the first place. So I for me, it's
a combination things podcast, YouTube videos, and books. And if you are
consuming these things consistently, like not a ton, not like two hours a
day, but a couple hours per week on any number of these variety of
sources, over time, you're gonna get more and more informed on it.
It just kind of happens naturally. So don't make a big deal out of
it find the most entertaining way to consume this stuff, and it should click
for you. I'm gonna play sixteen. I'm gonna play it this year.
But boy, Final Physy six shure is good. Itsolutely many. Final Fantasy
sixteen was more like Final Fantasy six. I just did the I'm in the
World of Ruin now people will know, well, well, oh, the
first so you know. The remix music is very good, right, but
the remixed up Searching for Friends is the name theme. It's kind of the
second main overall theme and only kicks in at their very specific kind of turning
point in the game. Holy Crapped they kill it with that. That was
like a religious experience listening to it played the first time. Yes, this
incredible Holy Crab, Like, oh oh, I feel like if you know
Ifrophasy six you don't think you're gonna play the Pixuri Master type soon. Just
look up the pixel re Master version of Searching for Friends. Beautiful. The
ten Derek says, just finish the voicemail dump truck. I'm from Indiana and
can't confirm the nacho cheese with bread sicks thing. Absolutely everyone loves it.
It makes more sense than Dan's a real thing. Yeah, of course,
bread and cheese is like one of the greatest combinations ever. I am so
on board with this idea. I oh, I gotta get some nacho cheese
and breadstick. Oh oh, I love nacho cheese. Not cheese is good.
Nothing against that. I and I do like the Mariner. You're thing
about the cup of Mariner with the like the sealed one. Yeah, that's
bad, but a lot of places do fresh marin Era and that's great.
Look, I'm not trust me. I'm not anti Marinara. No no,
no, I know, I know, and I got what you were going
for. And of course not Joe cheese is gonna be a better get interesting.
It's incredible every time, of course. Alrighty. Next up here is
a from oh Grug who says, why does JEP keep failing in Dakatana?
It's funny the first time, but bro just keep doing it for three hours
yesterday? Mike always had Proggy. To be clear, here was that one
time I did not progress a single episode in uh mythologies only even half as
long as you spent on the second level. I think I was on that
for like five hours, five hours, okay, five or halfway through that
or I'm probably exactly halfway because there's about a half an hour of Froggy's in
that last episode. Yeah, I did really realize, you know, the
how long to beat thing? Like what the problem is? Like, there's
an option for unlimited saves in the Men, but everyone on Earth would click
yeah, if you don't start, you would immediately be like, oh,
this is annoying. I'm just gonna click that now and play it that way.
And uh so the yeah, I think anything it had been defaults to
that now. Yeah, you're right. So the fact that I am not
playing with unlimited saves has been a real issue. I think I'm just gonna
maybe go back and see if I can find a couple of things to make
it a little bit easier. Although my issue is just I have had plenty
of health on that second half of that level. It just sucks. It's
just a bad game. I think what we can do for sure to make
it easier is if you go back to where that one super armor was and
I do know where it is, and then go back to where you were,
it will automatically save with your super arm because it's a load zone.
So that will be something Okay, that sounds good. I wonder, I
wonder if we could be little shits here. We should have done this way
earlier because that load zones right there. We should have opened that gate or
the boss arena and just run through there and come back. Oh god,
damn, it could be even do that. They're beating the boss. Honestly,
how did no one in chat say that that's crazy that we know considered
that? Okay, I never never even thought about it. We got a
game plan for Wednesday, now, all right, all right, cool,
there's something great? Yeah that that that game sucks. It is so bad.
Oh, it's supposed to not be that bad. You got off easy,
everybody says, I and I am playing the worst way you could possibly
play. So yeah, true, that's true. Ye, all right,
next up actually getting past that level though. Willow Davis's Mike popped the sky
Risie before the show and it just it. Oh baby, Niktaro says,
how have you two been? It's been a bit since I've been able to
watch. I got my first real job out of school and starting Monday.
Stay awesome, you congratulations, Nick got the job. Our boys growing up
before our eyes. It's a beautiful thing to see. We're doing well.
I hope you hope you are as well there? Yeah, come skyriz up.
I can not be doing well now, doing better than ever? Mc
goombas. Is that feeling when you're at the Cleveland airport right a flight to
Vegas for EVA when the flight is canceled due to a nationwide front tier outage?
Oh, I hope, man. I hope they're able to reschedule something
now they're able to get out there. Still. I think Sean fos spirit
so I hope he was able to get out there. But I hope everyone
is able to make it out. If you're trying to get out there,
Hey, if you're stuck at the airport, still, just go go over
to a Great Lakes Brewery, get yourself with Elliott, NASA or something.
Just relax. Yeah, there's a Great Lakes Brewery in the bar Simon,
right next to each other, so one or the other. Mister pod Rage,
says Mikey stop by bird Fish on the way to a show in Cleveland.
All nice, great bruising record selection. Didn't get lucky like you with
some video game tunes, but went home with Adam's Grove by mc hammer.
Cheers yeah, yeah, to bird Fish in Columbiana. I think I'm actually
going there Saturday. Always a very good time. It's nice because like they
don't have a kitchen, but they always especially on like the weekends, we'll
have a food truck there of some kinds you can eat. Then of pinball
games. That's where I was playing the Jaws game right that I've raved about.
And they always you know, I talked about some of theme stuff they
do before that's fun. Like they did a big Mario Day thing, they
did a big Star Wars day thing, they did a little Bowski and even
did Anthony board Dain Day the last time I was there. So always fun
stuff and they always have special beers for those things. And then Justin Weatherman
says, I'm buying a switch from my dad games wise, going with Breath
with the Wild Hades and Mario. Wonder what do you think are the best
dad games? All right, Jeff, what's the best Dad game for Switch?
Yeah? Those are pretty good. You could also, I mean,
listen, it's gonna vary by from dad to dad, of course, but
the mud Runner games are on Switch and they run pretty well, so maybe
maybe get mud Runner. I would get Snow Runner. I think snow Runners
on there as well. That's probably the ideal one. Maybe look at some
reviews, see how expeditions run runs. If he's maybe more limited in terms
of time and he just wants something that's a little bit more bite size,
that would be great. Yeah, if your dad likes Breath with the Wild
and Mario wonder, I'm sure Mario Odyssey would still hit. Everybody likes Mario,
say's just a game for everybody. Yep, absolutely. Uh so,
you know b Travin says, you hear that Nintendo makes it post Melee games
less competitive to discourage their party tournaments and people clinging to old releases. Oh
have you heard? Yeah, have been mentioning this to me about like when
I brought up the leader boards, several people who have pointed out this theory
that people think has been confirmed maybe and some people aren't sure. And mainly
it was a long time ago, and they have ebbs and flows, like
when Smashboard Ultimate were coming out, like they like were doing stuff. They
even brought back to the Tender World Championship branding at one point, right,
and also, like I if they were trying to make games less competitive to
discourage third party tournaments. This game does not succeed at that just because it
doesn't have leader boards. Like If anything, a third party tournament makes more
sense because you don't have third leader boards, because you want to get people
together and have a competition. So I get this, and I definitely Nintendo
does feel like the kind of company that would overreact and have some sort of
mandate in place that would explain some of this stuff. Maybe to me,
I feel like the mandate the more likely mandate is we make family party games,
and this game needs to feel like a family party game and not some
online competitive game for that reason. Yeah, that might make sense. Cajun
ghatsays, are you guys looking forward to the India Jones game following Went and
it looks like it could be the biggest indie game this year? Oh Jesus,
I am. I'm very excited. I like Indiana Jones. I love
it. Games looks good. Machine Machine head Machine games to the machine,
which one's this machine machine game? Machine machine had was the bush song that
got brought up a voicemail dumb truck today that I listened to and the guy
listened to again, So yeah, thank you, thank you. I was
thinking about this is kind of funny how this game has been positioned as opposed
to Starfield last year, where it seems like Starfield that are pushing very very
hard, this one a little bit less so. But it's still their kind
of I guess it's not their big fall game anymore. I mean that's why
their big fall game is Call of Duty. Yes, I think that's part
of it. Part of it is just like this is how games get marketed.
Now. You know, Astrobot does have a release date, but they
haven't like really gone all out with that they have. Isn't there another game
they have though? Oh, they have that Lego Horizons game, And while
that's clearly not the biggest thing in the world that doesn't have a release date,
they aren't talking about it beyond what they talked about at Summer Game Fest.
They just kind of wait until much closer before they really start marketing and
marketing these things. And honestly, Bethsa started that with Fallout four. So
I think that they are happy to save their money on marketing and wait till
it gets a lot closer and then go all out. But any a joke
still doesn't actually have a specific release ate it's still just twenty twenty four.
Most of these games in the late holiday don't. It's crazy, but that's
the same the way things work these days. Avowed Yep, yep, Yeah,
I'm very excited about it. I love machine games, I love Indiana
Jones, and I love that the game is first person because I really enjoyed
that whip game that I can never remember, like Temple the Temple Running game,
but that's not Temple Run. That was a first person like whipping game
where you can whip onto stuff and swing and it worked really well. And
I think this team's gonna nail that stuff. And I really thought that that
cinematic that they showed was a lot of fun and kind of right up my
alley. You know, anytime you got a Nazi phantom of Benz, that's
great. Phantom a bitch. Thank you, thank you. That's it for
supertests now for now, everyone, but if you want to send more and
we will read it before the end of the show. Thank you for the
support, everybody. We appreciate it. Okay, what we're gonna do now
is we're gonna take another quick break, just real fast to get set up.
We're gonna do it Closest to the Messy Pen because we have Bob here.
We're gonna do that right after this. All right, we are back,
and don't be alarmed. We are going to do a game and it's
not going to be hosted by turbo Sean. Instead one of our other mods,
Benjibop, is here, who actually puts these games together for us to
host. Benjibob, I appreciate it. The show is now yours. Yes,
thank you, Jeff. Hello everyone. In my never ending thirst for
power, I've disposed of Turbo Sean so that I can finally present my own
game show Closest to the Messy Pin, Volume twenty four, presented by Benji
Bob, powered by Metacritic, a Bop original. Now it has meant twenty
four of these. That's crazy. Yeah, you know, I try to
go back and see when the last one was. It was like sometime in
May. I'm pretty sure we're at twenty four. I could be wrong,
but I'm pretty sure it's been a lot either way here twenty three or twenty
four. And there's also like the special additions, so we're actually closer to
thirty. All right, then, anyway, it has been a while,
so just a refresh around the rules. Every round, the players will be
given a certified retro game aka older than ten years. The goal is to
predict the game's metacritics score, and we're using a closest to the pin system,
so you can be above or below. As long as you are close
to the number, you'll get points. Either way. Lois score wins if
you guess the exact number, deduct five points from your score. And of
course the new rule as adjusted by aj Minotti and ran into a lot by
executive producer Benji Bob. Rounds two through five, the current leader has to
go first. Now I have done my homework and I had I did.
Go back to May and look at who won. And Mike, if you
remember you won thirty one to three because you got too right and you have
like your best game ever, I should play this game anymore. Maybe it's
not. I agree for different reasons. How On that note, Mike,
you will be going first in round number one, which will be Geometry Wars
Retro Evolved two for the Xbox three sixty release date July thirtieth, two thousand
and eight, based on fifty two critic reviews. I also think I already
know the theme. Yeah, people, Oh I get it. I think
I people up fast. Okay, I like it. This is good.
This is gonna help us for the next segment. Ah yeah, people really
like Geometry Wars. Retro is retro evolved too? Different from Geometry Wars Too?
Is this not just Geometry Wars Too? I think it's just Geometry one,
It's just two. And I don't know why I'm helping you. Yeah,
people really like it. Like well, he's thinking, just when people
know it? Is the simple answer? This what this game is golf rules.
You're trying to get the lowest, trying to get the closest. I'm
gonna go with a ninety. I think that's the scheme. Got a pretty
good Metacritics score. That is kind of where what my thinking was to Mike.
That's like, people really liked it, but how high could it really
be? But I think I think people were definitely savvy to Geometry Wars by
this point, and there would have been that self selection bias of people who
like Geometry Wars being the ones to review this game. But I'm gonna like
kind of go for it and hope, I don't know, I'm gonna go
with an eighty nine. Okay, my break kind of broke for a second
because usually I don't do this, So I was listening to be like,
hey, why isn't the score up there? Hey? You got it,
it's right there. Yeah. So I also can't say anything because I actually
know the scores, so I don't want to. You know, right,
you just influence either way. You're doing a good Joe. Ever, one
of you might have been on the money. It's Mike with the nineties starting
off where he left off. Wow, I'm gonna say, this is the
one time where I was really close to thinking I should just do ninety as
well. I should. I'm like, I think that's right. That sounded
so good. I'm like, if I would have gone first, I would
have said ninety this is fantastic. That sucks. It's the favorite rule we
never actually enact. We have used it once. Yeah that's true. Okay,
Yeah, you're right, that's true. We didn't use it all.
Right, Well, Mike, because you're at negative five, you will go
next on game number two, Super Meat Boy for the Xbox three sixty release
date October twentieth, twenty ten. Based on fifty one critic reviews. Okay,
interesting, another game people really like. I don't know if the I
don't know if it's quite Geometry Wars levels. I think I'll go more than
an eighty seven for Super Meat Boy. H Yeah, that's that sounds pretty
good as well. I feel like I can't go too far away from this
one again, even though I'm pretty far back. I kind of have to
stay in this range because I think that's right. This time, I'm gonna
go. I'll go up one. I'm gonna go with eighty eight. Yeah
right, Okay, Well, you know there are certain things when I make
this game, I try and you know, balance the scores and do all
these different things so that it's hard to predict and obviously different age range or
like time periods. But you know, this week I kind of just whipped
it up fast, and for the first time ever, we have a repeat
score of ninety ninety. You are two away, Mike, you are three?
All right? Okay, interesting man, ninety people for it. Thanks.
Yes, it's weird that the sequel for it as an auto rather that
people don't like s much. Wow. Yeah, it's weird, but also
yeah it's bad. Okay, man might make some moves here. I've only
got three games left. Yeah, you're up negative two to three, and
you will guess first once again in game number three, which is Trial HD
for the Xbox three. Sixty really stayed August twelve, two thousand and nine,
based on fifty one critic reviews. And I feel like we're hovering and
run the same frame here, although maybe not as high again, maybe this
time is more in that eighty seven range. Are I feel better about ACE
now? Maybe even a little bit lower. I don't know, because this
game is harder than those other ones in a lot of ways, so maybe
some people would have got frustrated, would have got frustrated, Like my niece
used to say, I'll go in eighty six for Trials HD. Dammit.
Okay, yeah, I was kind of thinking along the same lines as Mike
as he was saying that allowed where it's like, oh, you know what,
the same range, But I think I was kind of thinking towards an
eighty five. But that doesn't really give me much to work with here.
I got I have to go with an eighty five and hope that I'm dead
on so eighty five please, okayky? Yeah? This, uh, you
know, It's also funny that the first three games all released within a year
of each other. I mean, this is like Prime three sixty Live Arcade.
You know, that's a good days of Xbox Live. But there can
only be one winner of game number three. I don't remember what the score
is, so let's find out. It's an eighty six. Oh no,
Mike is not fire once again. Oh my god, I'm so far I
feel good. Test drug test, Mike. I will need a couple of
your piss at the end of this episode. Feli it tightly so that it
does not get lost in the mail. Please. Okay. Well, with
a store of negative seven to four, Mike, you are still in a
very comfortable lead. And now we go to game number four, where,
hey, this one might be good for you. Dance Dance Resolute Revolution Disney
Channel Edition the PlayStation two, January eighth, two thousand and eight release date
based on a Brave nine critic reviews. Okay, this is different from like
that PS one Disney remix. This is I assume literally like teeny Bopper songs,
which I can't imagine critics enjoyed very much. But I like, how
mean four can they be? This could be a chance for Jeff to catch
up. I'll be basic and safe here and say, look again, seventy
seems high because how much could video game reviewers really enjoy Disney Channel music?
They would hate a score. Remember how much Dan Record so much? Remember
how much Dan Record didn't even like take over. I'm gonna I'm gonna say
a sixty seven. Now you sid have a bitch, God damn you,
And that'll give you a good chance just case. I mean, I guess
I gotta go in the other direction and hope because it's not going to be
like that much lower than that, like even if because it's a DDR,
they're not going to like screw up the basics. I don't think I'm gonna
go I'll go with a let's see how many points do I need. I'll
just go with that. I'll go with a seventy eight. It's kind of
high, but whatever, Yep, let's see it. Maybe it's great.
Maybe listen, if I had my way, I would I would have gone
with a sixty five, but mot shit slapped. I don't know. Yeah,
Well, just like Miley, Styrus says, it's the climb, and
Jeff, your points are climbing because we got a sixty one. The plmate
Bob curveball strikes again, and in Mike's favor, he is still in the
negatives. Oh wait, that was the wrong way saying that negative one.
Ah left, great good good golf score. Yeah, decent golf score.
Yeah. If you're playing in the British Open right now, you'd be like
top five because not scoring well in the money. All right, fantastic.
I feel good final game. I will Editor's note for myself, I could
have done another Leaderboard game. However, this week is very important to me
as a revival of one of the best franchises of all time. Of course,
I'm talking about college football. NCAA thirteen is game number five for the
Xbox three sixty released state July ten, twenty twelve, based on twenty critic
reviews, and you could catch up here, Jeff, I really know very
little about what people thought of these games. I recall that they're being criticized
for kind of just being pretty light reskins of the that year's Madden Game at
this point towards the end here, so I'm gonna guess there's not a ton
of enthusiasm for them. But how bad can it be I'll do a seventy
two. Yeah, I don't really think I have a chance here. Yeah,
because there's no I'd have to get a direct I have to be like
what fifteen away? Sixteen away? And also dead on, and that's my
best hoax. I don't think you're twenty two points off anyway, Get closer,
you know, get your dignity backcause right now I'm crampy fair. That's
well. Yeah, but I mean, what choice did I have last last
round? Okay, let's see here, I guess I will go with a
let's just hope for the best and say in eighty eight. Okay, I
like it. I mean now, if I was reviewing the game, I
would be giving it an eighty eight course. However, these twenty critics,
they disagreed. They gave it a seventy six. Mike, that sounds about
right, yep, once again doing very well, well done, Mike,
we did it. Come on out, everybody, let's celebrate. We did.
Yeah, there they are, Yeah, I got it. Uh,
And there is your final score. Mike with three, Jeff with thirty three,
almost an identical score to the last game, which was thirty one to
three. Jeff started getting a hole in this game. You got to make
moves and then when it goes bad, it goes real bad. Yeah,
you did the same strategy of like doing the math, and I think that
just like yeah worked, you should just play to win your ear trying to
play three D chess. No, No, that is playing to win.
What do you mean, right, Never think like that. And look at
me. I'm hanging echoing. Yeah, oh shit, Okay, I didn't
think about that. You get to hang out with that going rocket night.
All right, thank you so much for that, bop. What we're gonna
do now is I'll get set up real quick for this because this is just
right over here. Uh, and we're gonna pick We're gonna do mount rushmore
of leaderboard games. Mike, Why don't you explain what we do here with
this? Yeah, So, Jeff and I are going to kind of nominate
a bunch of games that we think would be the most emblematic of this category.
Not necessarily the best. Sometimes quality is a pretty big marker, and
this one more so than others. I think that's going to matt Or quite
a bit by leaderboard games. You don't know what that I mean to say,
it's games that kind of have built in leader boards, and I think
we mean online ones, right, Like you know, if you had some
ur port of pac Man as a kid where you had a leaderboard. That
may not be exactly what we're talking about here, who knows, we'll see,
but Jeff and I are going to nominate some We'll have our our podcast
producers also give us some ideas, and then we'll take a kind of a
short list here and we'll pick four games from that. Yep, sounds good,
And uh, Mike, why don't you start us off while I get
the dot going as well? Well, I gotta go with I think probably
my favorite of all of these kind of games, and one that I just
really dove into. It is one that kind of took a game that I
probably would have, like, you know, liked a lot, and made
it something more special for me. Uh. It is theon White, a
game that I like, got so deep into to the point where I got
my overall time down to where I got in the top one hundred. It
was one hundred, but you know still, you know, I felt really
good about that. It seemed impressive at the time. And it is level
based, right, and there's a lot of levels if people don't know,
it's kind of a first person action platforming thing where a lot of your movement
abilities are also your attacking abilities, and you have to kind of kill all
the enemies while you're doing the run. So it's very kinetic, very fun
stuff, and there are a lot of interesting ways you can kind of find
shortcuts, and you know, the way I was doing sometimes even was like,
yeah, there's like a glitch where you can kind of like teleport through
the wall if you hit like just the right pixels. It's like, let's
keep trying this until we can find that pixel. That stuff was super fun.
It was really great, especially because it was like a cumulative thing for
me, and it was fun when I was competing with you and Dan.
It was specific levels. It was just like really getting that time down,
but it was also fun. It was like I need to like overall find
thirty seconds to shave ross. Yeah, levels, am I really gonna think
I can actually find some of that time in? Right? So it was
super fun for that, you know, and like, because the game had
some other flaws, I can't necessarily love the story stuff, right that this
more than made up for all of that. Just how much fun it was
going through and doing this leader board experience, and it was just really made
with that stuff in mind. Yep, and it's it could It shows like
just how much you can do when you when you're thinking that way from the
from the beginning. So like you said, it is the entire game has
this massive leader board that is very different than the individual individual level leader boards,
and both of those are viable ways to play that game and kind of
serve a different audience in some ways. So yeah, then White is fantastic.
I think I will go with another more recent one for my first one
here. I'll go with Astro's Playroom. That idea of having a platforming game
and then taking sections of the levels from the main platforming game and turning those
into dedicated speed runs, having just a handful of those, so there's eight
of them, and then and then at the same time having each of those
have their own times with their own speed run leaderboards, and then having a
global leaderboard for all eight. Put together very similar idea and just executed so
well. And it's also like it's such a smaller version of what Neon White
was doing that was much more manageable, so you could really honing in on
some of these levels, and a three D platformer is surprisingly complicated enough that
there is just always kind of this extra edge of like if you just cut
one corner a little bit closer, you can save that fraction of a second
and that chef that stuff adds up really fast. And yeah, just it
felt really good. Of course it helps to Astro is a fun game to
play, not as thrilling as as Neon White necessarily, but Astro different just
is solid and it becomes thrilling in these speed run chases. Yeah, and
you know this was you know, this little kind of pack in game thing
that normally would take you a few hours to play through and beat, and
this added so much extra play time. Yea, because yes, some of
the first streaming I ever did before even was set up for it, Like
I was just streaming straight on Twitch because I was just doing that mountain run
over and over and it was so exhilarating. You know, it's fun because
it was like, oh yeah, we're like actually using glitches and stuff and
like, oh, like over here there's like a little bit of geometry.
You can actually kind of stand on it and you can do a double jump.
Again. It felt so cool pulling that stuff off it was and learning,
right, learning the tricks from watching other people do it on YouTube and
stuff like that, and sharing that tech with one another and getting some speed
runners involved, and you know, getting Dan involved. And that's when I
first like to really started talking to Dan and stuff. It's it was pretty
cool. I think I will bring up Geometry Wars retro Evolved too. It
was one of the first times I really was ever seeing or thinking about online
leaderboards. Even though I didn't dive into a lot. I just remember the
excitement and everybody talking about it. It comparing these things and it was fun,
like yeah, like okay, it's just automatically tells me how good I'm
doing compared to my friends. It's part of what made the XBOUS sixty such
a good console is that it was really smart and just making a lot of
the things we take for granted now standard. Right, it's good stuff.
I know you played this one a lot, Yeah, I played a ton
of this. You know has the different modes in there, but again,
not so many modes. That's overwhelming. Something that these games can occasionally be
guilty of of, like really spreading out the love and kind of what what
that does is it diminishes some of these smaller modes. That's still going to
happen even when you have again like Dahn maybe eight modes, maybe four I
Camp I think it was probably eight. But like playing Passivism and not being
able to shoot, but just having these gates you had to go through and
trying to just nail the movement of going around attracting these enemies so they'll get
in your sort of wake and fall though your gravity around and being able to
drag them in and and then like sort of skirting closer to them as you're
about to go through one of these exploding gates, hitting the exploding gate and
watching the feeling of just having so many of them get caught up in that
explosion and dying, and then you get all the experience or the points from
that. It was just incredible. It's such a good mode. And then
all the other modes are great as well. Just Geometry Wars is fantastic.
Yes, Pacmand Championship addition to Deluxe, I can't there was the one that
let me make sure I'm thinking which one am I thinking of? Right?
I remember then it's very similar, kind of like the same time frame as
Geometry Wars. Yes where and this is like where they had Pacman Championship Edition.
The first one it was like really solid. They just really improved it
with the second one where they had this five minute championship where you try to
do as much as you can in five minutes, and if you are doing
things perfectly and you are not getting hit by the ghosts ever, and you're
chomping up as many ghosts as you can, when you do have a power
pellet, you could just get these multipliers that just increase so much and in
those last few seconds you can make a huge leap on the leaderboard. And
that's one of the first times where it's like this game a lot of people
are playing this game, and I was able to get into like the top
one thousand on the leaderboard and it just felt incredible, and it was again
it's like when this is happening, your brain shuts off. It's just you
in the game, and it's really like powerful stuff. I do think so
Championship Edition two was the first one that did it. I think Championship Edition
d x plus was a sequel that also was popular with and we'll go with
that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so, I mean at this
point, I think we could throw some more, but I bet the podcast
producers will will help this out. Thinks that sounds right? I run this
off. When don't we go over to them? Sounds good? I think
I have that ready to go right now. Lily Wu Lee Wu starts off
with Neon White, and of course that was the first one to get up
there for us. Fire Hair twelve thousand echoes that as well with Neon White.
Neon White also just came to Xbox. Everybody think it might be really
pass Yeah, this cool soundtrack package. That game has a great soundtrack.
I still kind of hear that, like like shoot for the Heavens or whatever.
I hear that in my head every once. Definitely. Yeah, very
dreamcast coded. Uh Splunky, which I never really did any the leaderboard stuff
on Spelunky that was that was always one where it was like just kind of
challenging to get through the game for me. Uh So, and you know,
I never truly fell in love with Spelunky, so that's a big part
of it. And I never could get into Spolunky for some reason, I
don't know. Always be clothing slash Corky says Astro's playroom. Correct, it's
so good. It's so good. Man achue for us Robot. That's trio.
It's gonna be so good. Eden is experiencing Evo. Fomo says track
Mania. Another one I've never really gotten into. I should. It seems
like it would scratch the trials. It sch me right and yeah, and
this is one I know a lot of people like. And I think it's
very leaderboard focused. I think it might be a strong one even if we
haven't played it. Yes, definitely. Uh, Willow Davis says the New
York Times Crossword, the Many Crossword, which is a leaderboard. I'm in.
I'm actively doing right now, although I don't know why because Lucy James
is always gonna win. Yeah, it's it's still fun. I enjoyed that.
Like I've been saying, it's just me and Baco are kind of going
back and forth with our old man times. Cass Buck Russ has just caused
three. I don't remember the leaderboards and just cast three will interesting. I
wonder if it's like destroying basses in a certain line. I mean, there's
a lot of things that could be leaderboard in that game, so it having
that is smart. Yeah, I'll see if someone brings up the other one.
I'm thinking of that. This reminds me of but uh Freedom MC liberty
Ball says Diablo two. Yeah, it's interesting because like season content and Diablo
is a big part of those games, and almost never really how I think
about playing those games necessarily, It's just it has never been my approach.
I kind of just play them and like I'm gonna level up a class of
a friend and do that. But there is a whole leaderboard, you know,
seasonal thing there that a lot of people are into with those games.
That's cool. Let's see here input name here, says Mario Kart eight Deluxe,
which I think this is like the uh Time Trials sort of thing.
And you can a like share ghost data and things like that. That's that's
pretty cool. How robust is it? Like, do you literally see the
leader board of your friends? Done much of this? Yeah? I don't
know. This is kind of makes me curious to maybe go check that out,
but I have not done a lot of that. Interesting. Let's see
JD Camp says chess dot Com. Yeah, you could be the number one
chess player in the world. Just go for you start there for you.
Yeah, we go. Doctor Ryan says Donkey Kong and has a picture here
of Steve Weeby from the King of Kong. I'm a favorite video games,
you know that? Yeah, that's right? Was it was it that cameo
or was that like just an as long ago as as my friend was just
at like cees or something, and he was there and he tried to get
we be to say, Mike Manati is my favorite video gamer, and we'd
be looked at cameras, goes Mike Manati is my favorite video game. That
video somewhere it always makes me laugh. That's perfect. Two time champ Beef
Hammer says Astro's play Room. Yeah, yeah, the elden Ring. Will
five says speed running Super Mario sixty four with shay Man not a bad idea.
I still gotta have shn te. Yeah, we'll start a route.
We will. We'll do that on Giant Bunks and Dan wants to do that
too, and I do too as well. Joyz says Cruise in USA and
the Arcade, Yeah, you would be like arcade games that come to mind
for like like actually trying to get on the leader board. I mean like
a lot of them can right, I mean, oh sure, yeah,
yeah. But again it's like I always never really took those seriously because like
all the arcades here, I just felt like they would get unplugged in those
leader boards would change exactly anyway. So I never took them too seriously.
It was fun to put my name in, is how I felt about it,
for sure. My girlfriend in high school, herd dad had a pinball
machine in the basement, and that was one that I was like, Okay,
well, I know this is going to be here, so I'll try
to get a higher and higher score. And they had like a whiteboard or
something. I would you Eventually I did have any score on that, and
that was fun. Uh screaming Madden. I has Madden twenty three here,
which it's incredible. There there you go. I'm trying to see how they
actually do this. It's like blitz percentage. Is that how it's ready to
do? Okay? Yeah, uh unique dent to fits of plays cool.
That's a good leader board right there. Nothing to shoot for. Yep,
Boomer will destroy Ganadorf has geometry awards here. That's uh man, that fox
right, and that's that's right. I think these leaderboards did get screwed by
Blake cheaters to the point where there's like this person has eight what is that
quint tillion something ridiculous? Oh no, yep, uh Terry Yaki Blues says
star Fox sixty four. Uh god, that's right. You could like your
hits in that game. Okay? Interesting, Fox said, is number one
with one hundred hits. Dick Turbo says pac Man just looks like yeah,
And I definitely had after a lot of these games came out. I would
do a thing on Twitter where we call it be a Dick mode where we're
like, Okay, this week, we're all gonna try to set the high
score and something like Frogger, and we would play Frogger and try to set
the high score in that. So we definitely had examples to playing these old
arcade games for high scores. But it is there's something a little bit better
when it's like built in, and like what Geometry Wars does is you can
like see the name of the person above you in the top left and that
rules. Let's see Nolan has like guitar Hero. I think, yeah,
this would be Guitar Hero. Yeah, yeah, that was fun. I
think I usually played it more like, Okay, if I get five stars,
I'm happy, and then you know, maybe I think about the score
a little bit beyond that. But it was good. It was there.
Tober says pac Mand Champion CHAMPIONI excuse me, Championship Edition d X plus,
that's the one we have up there. I think I might put a two
in there, but yes, that's what we were thinking of. Edimy Mouse
says super meat Boy. Yeah, that was one where it's an example of
kind of what happened happened to be with me on one where I would fixate
on so many levels, like so many specific levels that I don't think I
ever actually ended up beating super meat Boy if I right, if I did,
because I will go look tough. There's like dark World stages and stuff
like that, and they get more more difficult, and I would just spend
hours playing a couple of levels. It's one of the first ones I can
think of that really did do the whole kind of small levels and when you
like die or restart, it's incredibly quick or right stantaneous, Yes, instantaneous.
So it definitely kind of was a pioneer in that it probably should be
considered. Yeah, show g Cooto has Trials HD, which is definitely something
I would consider. I would probably put Trials Evolution up there, I think,
but yeah, I think that's right. But yeah, one of these
Trials games, the Trials games are so good for leaderboard chasing is such a
complicated, uh kind of platforming game, trying to get these motorcycles to behave
in a way to get over a specifically a particularly difficult jump, and you
get to a point where, like some of these longer, more complicated levels
have several jumps you have to nail perfectly and getting a run where you get
all of those in a row and it actually feels good and you didn't crash,
so you can be at the top of the leaderboard without a penalty.
It was those are like miraculous events. It feels really good to play those
games. I think Super Mean Boy and Charles HD also both like just like
big Boy versions of what were flash games originally. Oh yeah, totally.
It's interesting how so much of the early you know in DC and and Xbox
Live Ricade was just that, right BEHEMI was the same thing kind of just
spiritual Successor's two Arcade games. In a lot of ways, Stinky has Rocket
League one there. I'm not sure like the leaderboards would work, but just
like definitely like trying to climb up ladders there would be fine. And here's
another game that realized that blue and orange look good together. Yep. Burnout
Paradise is also one that literally the next one as well also has blue and
orange. And this is the one I was thinking of earlier, where like
this has so many of those tiny leaderboards in an open world where it's like,
Okay, who can get the fastest time on this street? Cool?
Or who can get the highest speed on this street? And stuff like that.
That ruled that was a ton of fun. I kind of wish like
I kind of want to just go back there and play that, But it'll
be more fun if like a bunch of us were playing it. Maybe we
could do that some day. Uh, Big Tony has Let's see if I
can see this punch out Yes, Speedrun dot Com one of my favorite leader
board games that I spent a lot of time trying to do. Uh.
Cf Bop twenty five says three D pinball space cadet for windows. They had
the little built in separate window leaderboard on there. Good job on your scores
there. Somebody has had to have made an actual table of this at some
point, right, I don't know that, guy. I figured that'd be
kind of complicatedout it, But you're right though. To give me actual three
D pinball space kiddet table, it would be amazing. It looks great,
uh, vander Lyles says PGA two or golf two. Guy, I love
sports games when they're sold that they didn't have the year. They still had
steel numbers too. It's the second golf game. Yeah, go go,
go for it. The leaderboard would literally be the leaderboard of you playing golf.
There. Resident Evil Cririsis says Dance Dance Revolution. There was definitely a
time when my friend got this and we were spending basically all summer at his
house playing DDR and trying to get better and better scores, and that it
was very fun to get good at DDR and be competitive. But we would
always think we would mostly play like head to head is how we would do
it, and that would be a lot of fun to try to see who
get the highest score in that moment. Riz Racer Beyond says Frogger, and
then has, of course the picture of the Seinfeld episode of Frogger one.
What's fun funny about that is I remember back then, like I felt like
major media talked about video games so rarely that even the fact that even if
though it was Frogger, I was like, I can't believe Seinfeld's talking about
video I know exactly. I also I also thought, yeah, I also
think about this scene all the time whenever I'm crossing a busy street in the
handout and everything I do. Like Frogger. That's one of my favorite classic
arcade games. It's always fair. There was we had a we had a
Frogger machineut or pizza Hut when I was a kid. It's great, ye
Frog, Like it just plays exactly like you wanted to and it feels good.
Alex has a beat saber on there, which when you get good at
that, that is a lot of fun. But that's one where it's like
I'm kind of competing against myself to see, like what the most challenging stages
that I can complete. Yeah. Absolutely. Weezeman has ski Free, which
had a similar thing to a three D space cadet the pinball table. Bay
Leaf Moon has Banjo Kazoui that Banjo Dowey I think it's disaster buy Lea says,
is this a guitar Hero like a later guitar Hero. It looks like
a Guitar Hero two situation. Perhaps the rock band that's rock band. Okay,
wow, never mind, you're right, or a rock band. Thank
you, Bop, you're hearing that like always Laos scene says Astrobot, probably
referencing astro Playroom. Dumnal Crossing says Metroid Prime Pinball. Oh god, I
want to play some Metro Prime pinball against so bad. Maybe we do some
leaderboard chasing on that. That would be fun. It would be fun.
Actually. Oh. Hammond of Texas says Missusplosion Man, misplosh Man. Excuse
me, man, I haven't thought about Misplosion Man in a while. Wow.
I love explosion Man, and I think I played some misplosure Man.
They're both very good. There's a series I have not considered amount platformers where
like the way like you can get around is you know, you can run,
but your character can also explode and that helps you get to higher platforms.
It's a good time. Vision forty nine says Merror's Edge, the speed
run built right into the game. Yeah, God, I love mers that
that throws before loop. Still Dan record is in like Mirror's Edge, I
wonder if that's what he would change his mind on today. Probably, Yeah,
God, what a great game. I don't know, I don't know
why, like the further I get away from the three sixty era, Like
I think my two favorites used to be very easily BioShock and read their Redemption
one. I still really really really like those games, but like Mirror's Edge,
is it only ever kind of increases in my estimation. There's something so
pure about that game. And yeah, like the lead bar experience is very
good in that so I thought that'd be a fun game to just speed run
in general as well. Ye, Lenny Astro Dick Temvert says pac Man.
I believe it could be misspack Man, but I think it's pac Man.
Well pac Man, Yep, pac Man's a good one. Pacmine's one where
it's like I would love the idea of like playing the original and for score
chasing, but realizing that there's like an optimal way to play, like to
understand that the game is solved often discourages me, even though of course I'm
never going to be that good at I'd want to do miss pac Man instead.
I think yep, B says Diablo two. I get like, so,
like, well, how is this working? Is it like getting like
I see it's like ranked by experience points? Yeah, again, like I
never really played the game that ways, I don't entirely know exactly how it
does work, to be honest, I know, like in Diablo three,
like because there are some kind of like dune system that would get progressively harder.
So it was like what, what like level did you get in your
riffs or whatever it was perhaps, yeah, it wasn't really ever, how
I played these games. Interesting, let's see here he's our z arc,
says hit Man, which yeah, that does. There's a great score system
in there, and and trying to like I always do realize like once I
get through a level and be like, oh yeah, I see my friends
scores, I'm gonna go in there and try to do a perfect run and
never be seen like Silent Assassin and all that stuff, and like Silent Assassin
in the suit without ever changing your clothes things like that and those that's a
lot of fun. I have a good time with that. I do what
with those games? It was least the way I played, so it is
there's so many just challenges to do that I usually am just doing those sure
instead of I thinking like I gotta beat my friends time necessarily, right,
But it's it is one of those options. It's like, oh yeah,
that's in there as well, and it's very good and it's and it's you
know, it's not it's about time obviously, but it's also about you know,
just like playing the most optimal way and avoiding detection things like that.
I would enjoy doing a silent Assassin suit only like full run of assassination and
be so fun. Great is that? So? Is that shakes? You
can see shakesan my guy's crazy. Adam Asleep says Mario Golf World Tour that
the servers are off three ds right. I don't mean, you know what
doesn't matter because there's the fan service you can log into by using that DNS.
Then we should do a tournament of Mario Golf World Tour. That game
rules. Michael Riley says that Nintendo World Championships any s edition and then crosses
it out because it has the one leaderboard in there. Art. Yeah,
that's that says something man makes you think, boy, if it just Honestly,
if it just had like a few more leaderboards, like okay, the
leaderboard for all of like Anys, or just any single thing that had your
friends on there, that would be great. Matt in the rear Zindless Zone
says, Hop says track Media, but Hop on track Media. Yeah,
track Mania does look incredible. It looks very similar to Trials. It's where
we never played that game. It looks very fun. Yeah, Trials was
just like whenever I got to urge for a game like this, I just
go to Trials instead. I know they're not exactly the same, but the
same concept in my brain. Daniel says Neon White, let's see, and
then Christian says, Devil Daggers. That's a good one, Christian. I
never could get good enough at Devil Daggers so good. I never played the
sequels. The sequel is not that good. I think, well, yes,
it was a kind of It's just got such a very specific scoring system
that it requires you to play it its way, and I could never get
on its wavelength. And then I would watch some people who are at the
top of the leader board and it looked like they had turned into gods,
like the way that they were playing that game. It was nuts. All
right, Mike, I'm gonna go back to the list and I'm going to
add Trials Evolution, Uh what was Oh yeah, Trackmnia, trac Mania,
super Meat Boy, I think Burn Up, Paradise Consideration, yes, and
perhaps Mirrors Edge as well. What do you think about all the music games?
What do you want to do about those? Because let's it's just like
not again, not how I ever really played those games, but I think
those were a big deal. They mattered. Yeah, I'm what is like,
what would be like the top one to put in there? Because like
part of me rock band? Yeah, I guess, I guess. So
all right, it is weird because there's like it could be a lot of
them, right, it really could be, right, I guess Guitar Hero
is number one. I don't know. Yeah, let's go with to Guitar
Hero. There we gouse that one. I think I did do a little
bit of Leaderboart chasing in that. All right, So the short list is
Neon White, Astro's Playroom, Geometry, Wars, Retrovolve Too, Pacland Championship
addition to d OR Championship, d X plus. I mean I do that
right there? Trial's Evolution Track, Madeia, Super meat Boy, Burnout,
Paradise, Mirror's Edge, Guitar Hero. We want to put a classic arcade
game in here, it doesn't Again, I think I think what you said
about like the fact that you always thought your times were going to get reset,
kind of meant that unless you were on a global level, it didn't
It didn't matter so much. In fact, it didn't matter, like your
scorees were not going yeah. So, and then I guess maybe if you
had a regular place that you could count on to keep your scores. I
don't know, but I just don't think many people had that experience. Okay
for me, I think, like you know, I think Neon White is
definitely up there. Yeah. I think Astro's play Room is just like it's
so important to game mess lore at this point that it should be on there,
right, And I do honestly think it's maybe the platonic ideal of of
what what speed running should be like. Like I going forward, I think
every three D platformer should have the exact same mode that Astro's play Room did,
almost verbatim, like almost like point for points. It should be eight
levels maybe no, maybe no motion control levels. But whatever, like otherwise,
yes, it would make every game like that better. A couple of
things from Chat first off, like some classic ar case and people were upset
about Donkey Kong. But it's like, like that's because of that movie,
not because I competed in it, not because you competed in it. And
I could see an argument for like like watching those people compete in it,
and that movie was incredible, But I don't know. I feel like if
you need a documentary team to discover the value of the leaderboard chase, I
think that's a bit that's asking a bit much. Yeah, ton X pro
Skater came up from Chat than no one else mentioned. I don't know.
If I did a ton of that with Tony X pro Skater two on the
Dreamcast with my friends, not sixty four, well tonks pro Skater two that
was come on, that would be gross. Well it felt good on n
sixty four and I did play that in sixty four, but when I was
with my friends we were playing the Dreamcast version. Uh, those sea buttons
are just fine, Like people overstate the problem. Okay, yeah, listen,
I total was firstcat. I think it's definitely worth calling out here.
But I don't. I don't think it's going to make the final list.
I mean I do, la. There is something about being online that this
kind of better with for your leaderboards, and I think that's kind of what
we were almost getting at when we were talking about leaderboard games. Is online
leader boards to a certain extent, And yeah, it does. It's a
huge advantage, and I think that the lot of these games do take advantage
of that. Okay, this, this is tough. At this point,
I would probably want either pac Man or Geometry Wars up there. I think,
yeah, I definitely think one of them. I think Geometry Wars kind
of did it first, and some of the maybe Geometry Wars, maybe Geometry
Wars. Yeah, I think pac Man might be a slightly more I mean,
not better, but more pure, but only slightly. And I think
you're right geomet Wars being first means that it's uh enough. I're saying that
that he thinks pac Man did it first. Oh no, who did it
first? I think no. Geometry War like one was like right there at
the launch of the three sixty right well, that that's why I was thrown
off even in Messy Pin was Geometry Warres retro Vaal two thousand and eight.
I was like, I thought Geometry Wars was like one of the first three
sixty arcade games. Maybe that first one didn't have the leaderboard thing. I
think, oh, fires was talking about original pac Man. No fuck that,
Okay, we're good, Yeah, you got us all right, let's
see here. Uh. And then I don't know because I could put it
up Trial's Evolution. I could put up Yeah, that's the one I would
put up next. But what do you want to what do you think?
Yeah, like not Mirror's Edge. It's so similar to Neon White and White.
It's like a game b more around it for me. Super Meat Boys
interesting. It's interesting because again it's like that real small level experience. Then
I think a lot of things would later do Burnout Paradise. The way it
was kind of built into the world is interesting. Also, I think it's
either track me your Trial's Evolution, because what those both do is you're in
the stage with the ghosts you're trying to beat and track maybe it's like a
bunch of ghosts of data, like it's a ton of players all at the
same time. And then in Trial's Evolution it's you can like pick like the
next ghost you want to go after, and a lot of times you like
want to pick number one on your friend leader board and just race them head
to head, or you know, you can have your your best time data
and you could beat that as well, and just kind of seeing that stuff
in the game was so well done and that like feeds into the leader boards.
It's such a strong way. It is, this peanut butter and jelly
situation that it should probably be one of those. I think it maybe should
be track many. You think I want to trust the community a little.
Yeah, I'm okay with that. Yes, I think so. I think
to me, it sounds like that is the the more popular version of that
idea, even though I love trials. I think that's kind of what's happening
here. What's going on? I saw that see by the way, yes,
trying to hit control CE and then the pinky didn't work? All right,
this looks This looks looks right to me. Yeah, okay, when
do you read our mount Rushmore? Here of the Mount Rushmore of leaderboard games
is an Eon White Astros Playroom Geometry wars wretchedly both to and track Mania.
I like it me too. Let's go ahead, and Wars is definitely the
the George Washington. Yes, I think so too. I'm gonna tweet that
list with just geometry Wars showing so people actually have to listen to the show.
It's interesting. You're smart. I think I saw you doing that.
I'm learning to undred, like dozens of times of doing this, but eventually
I learned pretty good about baby. Let's go taking another break. Christian,
Oh god, I got another fucking tweet something like, oh, the liquid
deaf is for recovering alcoholics. It's not dumb. Oh, oh my god,
why do you need alcoholics? He does, but that's going to turn
turned to the joker. All right, let's go ahead and take one last
break. When we come back, we'll talk about what we've been playing,
and then we'll get an update on what's happening in the Fantasy critically right after
this. All right, we're back and our sky Rizzler needs a nappy poos.
So, Mike, what have you been playing? Let's get through this.
Well, you know, it has been any S World Championship, honestly,
and I'm excited to play more of that. And the other big thing
has been Final Fantasy six, which again very good. But I did start
Dark Souls for the first time. I think we talked about that a little
bit on Less than Ten Dogs. Yeah, even though you know, I'm
not playing this switch version, but I've been having phone with that. I
did the is this Gargoyle boss and a first leg wasn't too bad, and
then a second gargoyle show up, so I was like my first like,
ooh, this boss has taken me more than ten tries kind of thing.
Sure, right, and it's like, you know, Dark's old guy at
the top of the but yes, yeah, yeah, the Dark Souls is
a little bit meaner with like the run backs. Right, even though it
wasn't a terrible one, I don't necessarily mind that because you know, it
does build tension, right, like oh, like you know, maybe you're
not going to make it back to the bus, maybe you're not going to
even be able to get your souls back and all that stuff. Is the
run back the kind of thing where you can run past most of the most
of the bad guys or do you get the money at least a little specific
one here, it was like pretty like like at one point it was a
tight hallway that opened up to a room with like ten Scalton people. So
yeah, you know, like I'll fight them, why not, it's gorn
to fight them. Yes, the game so I've been enjoying it. I
already get what everybody sees in the game. It's a lot of fun.
So the runback is harder because you you whenever you die, you you lose
live, you lose your your HP, like your your life bar is shorter.
So like I guess you guess what guess tense? Yeah, you lose
your well the first time, but you lose when you alive, when you
have like what are you saying? When you are alive you have to stay
you're alive, and then your mbie and when you're something you have. It's
purposely not explaining this mechanic to me. I keep asking him about it.
The humanity, that's what humanity is. Yeah, that's what humanity is.
Never I don't know what humanity is. Yeah, fire hair do yeah yeah,
oh no, so that's what humanity is. My max health is lowered.
I didn't even realize that it's incredible. Well there you go. It's
people find out though. No, it's high humanity good or bags that was.
It was pretty high for a while. No, you can. You
can either have humanity or not have it because like you're alive or there is
a number, right, I don't I don't know. I can't keep there's
a number. Yeah, there's a big number humanity, all right, maybe
unless humanity is water and you're always picking up humanity. It's like, all
right, I just got to piece humanity. I must be human again.
And it's like, wait, that has nothing to do with it. To
get about your humanity, yeah, to be fully, you can't interesting interesting
knowledge. No, yeah that was a big thing. Yeah, it's the
same on Demon Souls or like you're either like a ghost or you're like alive,
so interesting. I I'm like thinking, like I was playing a little
bit of Dark Souls, but I might go play Dark Souls to first actually
freak well, so I'm gonna like give it its best chance to like win
me over, and then uh not have an idea of what Dark Souls is
before I play Dark Souls too, So it's like, well I don't have
these preconceived notions. Yeah, I am sick for sure, but yeah,
it's been fun watching you play you know what from Soft They really do just
nail it. They're just really good at this. So yeah, an turns
out they really did figure something out there, and it's funny to see it
like from Demon Souls, like coming out like being like this kind of like
niche, like like something that like the game journalists were talking about, and
just becoming the biggest game ever slowly after times. It's a it's it's nice
that it it should work like that, right, and it's nice to see
it work like that. Well be trend Warlock and Chat says jeff I cannot
recommend against that tactic enough, which just makes me want to do it more.
People don't know how to talk to Jeffy. You do not know how
to talk to me. I am sick. You have to know that.
Yeah, the same like where it's like any s a World Championship and then
a little bit of Dark Souls, a few other things here or there,
but not much. I did play Concord. Oh, I want to play
that tomorrow because the open now, right, so if you want to stall
exactly, so, yes, it's it's it's okay. I don't I definitely
don't hate it. But it's just like I've said other places, it hasn't
won me over to the point where it's like I kind of it would be
hard for me to be to get MI. Oh, I'm gonna go spend
forty dollars on it, or tell friends to go spend forty dollars on it
so they can play with me. I don't feel that way about it for
sure, but I'm not coming out of it being like I hate it.
I think there's parts of it where it didn't feel fun to play. I
found a character that does feel fun to play, so clearly it can do
that. People were like kind of going back and forth because it's like,
oh, it's got Bungee pedigree, It's BUNGEI, and then other people are
like, yeah, but it's the bunch of pedigree of people that made like
the stuff that people hated the worst, and Destiny Cho's multiplayer mode, and
it's like, oh, okay, well shit, I don't know anymore people
that make that bit is right, right, yeah exactly. So it's whatever.
I don't really care about that much. I'm gonna judge this game based
on what it is, and it is better than I thought it would be
in some ways and yet still kind of disappointing overall. Based on what little
I've played, so I play a lot of this game during the weekends.
She just I don't know. I was like, fuck it, I'm gonna
play Concord. And this game makes a horrible first impression because it's also't have
a tutorial or anything at least in this betas. And then how to play
doesn't really it's just text. I read the entire thing and I how to
play. It still doesn't kind of shows you very well how the game works.
And this game is like, yeah, there's like two types of games
is chess and checker, and this game is like more chess than checkers.
But like they don't tell you that. This game is like you have to
play slower and like in team and it's like, oh, yeah, you
have like you need to play certain type of like characters to counter these other
character and they never said that on the game. It's like yeah, just
like it's surprisingly hard counters and there is a lot more going on, like
that mushroom character, like being able to build buffs across the entire map,
and unless the other team is destroying that, like that can get very powerful
very fast. People will learn that stuff. That's how these games work over
time. So it is a little bit. That's why I'm like hesitant with
this game, because I think it could feel very different in the next couple
of weeks or you know, a couple of weeks after it comes out,
once people fully understand it and everyone's playing it different. But as it is
right now, yeah, the fundamentals, I just don't think it feels great.
Yeah, and you know what, I kind of want to play Overwatch
too, like adding they just shut off that new character, do you know,
and like it's the first character in why And like that character looks cool.
She looks like an eighties anime, like sci fi heroin and a lot
of neat ways. She just looks like a really cool design and a really
neat kid for a support character. So I'm like, oh my god,
I don't I play Overwatch again. We'll see, We'll see, We'll try
out what's that all Watch? It's on like Concord. It's like it feels
really you're not building to anything on that game all the time. It's like,
oh, you know, in you know what, you can like turn
around a match with like a really nice coordination with your team and your ultimate
This game doesn't have that. You just had to be good from the beginning.
It has to come back mechanic. They of course they don't explain that.
It's like crew bonuses, which means every time you play a character,
that character has like a fucking buff. They could give it to yourself then
yes, and you changed characters. You can like have a double buff or
whatever buff and the old buff. They're encouraging you to change characters, encourage
you, but they don't say that, and like, you don't know,
there's some modes where you have to change characters because there's it's you know,
when you don't say the character or like the next round. I guess I
don't know if it carries over between it. But the character you just pick,
like they the band the character. If your team wins, yes,
yes, And the thing is like do you do you realize there's a crew
like crew manager or like it's a crew builder whatever, crew maker, yeah,
crew maker. In this game, you can get to the same character
a couple of times, like you can get like a repeat of the character.
They have to different passive. It has different passives, so you can
have like three different of those characters. And whenever you pick that character and
win, if you have a copy of that in that crew thing, you
can pick it again and you won't like but like they don't show that.
Yeah, but it's and also like, man, are people going to be
playing this game like that? I guess, I guess the people that are
really going to be into it, I suppose will be building their personal crews
that they take into each match and on the game mode, that will matter
or it won't because in like the general one that we were playing at first,
until you get to the level six or whatever, that stuff doesn't seem
to matter at all. So yeah, it's it's it's a weird game that
I think is going to feel very different a couple of weeks after it comes
out, and I will be curious about it, but I'm not excited about
it in any real way. You know what, Gino reminds me of the
steal Overwatch character? Remember uh remember that meet that animated music video for that
one song by the Sorry I can't remember the Tron Legacy composers Daft Punk.
Actually, Mike's right, he is right on that. Yes, you know
what I'm talking You know what music video I'm talking about. Yeah, but
also just calling them the Tron Legacy, I know you know, Mike,
but I have to say it for the people. There are so many people
yelling at their podcast player right now. They're right too. I'm sorry.
I'm gonna lie. It's kind of the best, their best stuff from that
movie again the Rules. For sure. I associate done with that and Y
T, M and D because people use that working Harder song and their early
internet memes a lot of time. I associate them with TNAMI. When on
an early to Nomi they were played, they played the animated film that they
made for one of their albums, which I was talking about. Yeah,
oh the animated Oh wait, oh that stuff's not that stuff from way before
Tron Legacy. No. But why why I brought them up is because that's
what Juna reminds me of, is the animated thing they did. Oh okay,
I haven't looked at Juno. I thought you said they remind you of
daft punk, like with the helmets on and stuff. An that's what reminder
all right? Fair enough, some of the part you want to be mad
about people yelling at me about I was reeling from you calling them the Tron
Legacy composers bad. They're they're really setting themselves up for a rough one by
not having them. I mean, I think they're not a band anymore,
but it's rough. You're not going to have them in Tron three. Yeah,
oh yeah, for sure. Luck who ever's doing that score, it'll
probably be Trent Resnor, all right, mikey, I think that's gonna do
it for what we've been taught with what we've been playing. Uh, But
we do have one last thing. This is going to be sort of a
look inside our community where we do a Fantasy critic draft and then we've been
keeping up in the league throughout the year. A bunch of games have come
out over the past quarter, and I think we have an update from Benji
Bop Benji. Is there is there a visual component to this? Yes?
There is? Okay, why don't you share that with me real quick and
we'll get that up on the screen for everybody see here, Mike, For
what it's worth, I have never left the minds of Overwatch too, and
outside of content creators whining about the tanks being tanky again, the balancing is
pretty good right now. Yeah, it's been so long that, just like
multiple characters, I haven't even tried it. I never even played life Leaver
at this point, so you know, it's never even played life. I
have to like buy all these characters or do I not verted that you're good?
That was a stupid thing. But yeah, Jenna looks cool. It's
a cool design. All right, it's going to be good. Let's do
this thing though. How is it going in the Fantasy Critic League? Yes,
long overdue for starters. I have not made one of these since April
first. I apologize for the tardiness because I know a lot of people want
me to talk about how good their team is. So here you go.
Twenty twenty four Game Mess Fantasy Critic recap from April first to July fifteenth.
Editor's note again, there's a lot of games that just released or had reviews,
like ANYS Championship, Kanitsugami, a couple other ones, so scores are
kind of all over the place, sole on the site right now. I
just want to point that out there. However, in traditional fashion, we
do have a good bar chart, race, time lapse, whatever you want
to call this, Jeff, if you want to SHOUTcast, you can,
I can go for over No, I'll handle this, yeah, absolutely,
all right. There's like a five second buffer, so I'm gonna press play,
okay, sure, yeah, yeah, in the lead. Right now,
we have Doctor Lynch with fifty points out ahead, and that is where
things are gonna start. A big pack of people right behind, including low
re Legend GameCube, Chris Tyler, James Bay and Razzle Jazzled only a few
points behind, but immediately Doctor Lynch is gonna pull out ahead a little bit
more before Lower re Legend catches up and surpasses with the releaser Stellar Blade.
Stellar Blade comes out, and that's gonna shake things up. And then Haites
two is gonna shoot out, and that's gonna put I'm way good a Gurdorist
way near the top. Although they're gonna fall behind. It's Laurla and the
lakes Rye comes out of nowhere and helps Doctor Lynch reclaim the lead. Matt
Rare Monkey's right behind him, and then Teach or Teach QC makes a big
jump. Don Trails released though puts Teshi nineteen ninety nine in lead, doctor
Lynch just behind Matt Raremunkey in third. That puts us into the middle of
June, still plenty of games to go, and then bug A Dillo jumps
ahead. What game was that Mike shout of the Tree, Shadow of the
urg Tree helps out bug A Dillo there big times inless zone zero, then
moves ahead a couple of people. We're moving through July and we're catching up
to today's day. Let's see how things are gonna shot out there. At
the end, Bugadillo with a big lead with eighty four points. Behind them
is Teshi nineteen ninety nine with seventy four point five points and Doctor Lynch in
third with seventy two point four. Yeah, it looks like Showy or Tree
was a big help for that one there. I'm not surprised to hear that.
Yeah, yep, yes, thank you, Jeff. Also Turbos in
last Sorry Nick, Well no, he's like in like twentieth there's like eighty
people in this game, Jeff, jesus, Yeah, no aren't we We're
not even up there. Just coming just wait. I have a slide just
for you. I think it should be noted here. It's also color coded.
It's interesting to see which leagues are doing well. So like Critique Bros.
Which is red they have the top three, and then Crazy Yeah,
which like the dispersion of this. You know, there's five different leagues where
they all have the same games, and yet still there are three people at
the top. That's really all for the safely all right, Well that's the
competitive league apparently. Okay. So, speaking of notable releases of the period,
as Mike mentioned, Elden Ringshov the Er Tree is our top scorer of
the period with a ninety three point eight. And if you remember how Fantasy
credit works, anything over ninety, each point is doubled, so three point
eight times two equals seven point six, which is how it scored so high.
Destney two the Final Shape also a high performing DLC. In our league,
we do have an early access rule where if it gets scored, it
counts, so hadis two even though it's not one point zero, it still
counts. With an eighty nine point eight did very well. Animal Well Paper,
Mario Lorelin, the Laser Eyes and Nine Souls are great indie gets,
both in the mid to high eighties, help La two coming in at the
low eighties, and the other Crabs Treasure, and then of course our favorite
performing Nintendo franchise, Endless Ocean Luminous rounding at the bottom with a strong sixty
one point six that is worth negative eight point four points. So if you
counterpick that, congratulations, that's more points than most games get Yeah, well
done, Okay, going out as good as my my skull and bones.
Counterpick over in the Giant Bomb League. No, no, but what could
be? It could be? Yeah, Mike, you keep holding onto the
Giant Bomb League because're not gonna like where you are you thinking about it?
There, You're right hold on to that one. So game ass Critiques,
which is Jeff's league. We have Tyler James Bay and his team rock and
Roll McDonald's staying put at the top of the score of sixty nine point nine
to two, and right behind him Sir Meetwad with a difference of point zero
eight, which is insane for open critic, Like, that's how close the
scores are. He's right behind him at sixty nine point eight four. Also
shout out Crange's mcbasketball for moving up eleven point or eleven standings from his the
last period, and a couple of movers and shakers throughout where am I at?
We'll get there. Last of the critique dogs, Matt Rare Monkey with
his team Rare Monkey dash Am two took over with a score of seventy one
point five, Doctor Ryan right behind him with we Bought a Publisher and then
one of my favorite team names, Adamize Bobby Kotik ABK moved up nine positions
and then hold L three and R three to Publish your Game also moved up
nine positions. Great job to both of those publishers. Moving on to close
to the Messi Critic, where yours truly is not on this leader board,
we have TEACHQC with Console Wars, Social Construct Industries moving up seven places to
first place with sixty six point five eight. Also shout out Taller Eco Industries
and naw i'd Win who also moved up seven and eight positions, respectively.
Moving on to Critical Jeopardy. This is Turbo Shawn's League. A familiar face
at the top. It's beef Hammer eleven with the jan Oh Chu Choa Express
with fifty three point six eight points. But he is right and he has
his lead is like nothing fifty three point three right behind him with black Heart
Vinyl and freshly streamed games. Also shout out Golden Deer Entertainment, War Crimes
and other leisurely activities and big bosses Venomous Solids and Liquids who all moved up
seven to nine positions, so that's impressive. Finally, the last of our
divisions, we have the Critique Bros. Where as Guy is the captain and
Buggetdillo. This is the one where we got the heavy hitters. We got
Bugdalo Teshi nineteen ninety nine and Doctor Lynch all above seventy insane numbers. And
then we also have a hail station with a which would be top three in
any other league with a fifty point eighty four, but it's only good enough
for fourth here. Now, as the Critical League works in the Game Mess,
we go by the overall scores, not by de vision, so we'll
have one champion, not five, and our oh top ten overall leaderboard.
Buggadillo, Testi ninety nine and Doctor Lynch are the same three we saw earlier.
Some big moves for Buggetdillo. Matt Raremunkey also moved up thirty positions,
adamized Bobby Kottak moved right in front of Death, not Bobby Kottick, and
that was a great. Forty six positions is a lot that's like half the
league, so yeah, it's got on those releases. And also shout out
to Doctor Lynch, Tyler, James Bay and Lowell legend. You stayed in
the top ten out of like eighty people. You're still up there. So
even though you're moving down a couple spots, you're still near the top right
right, So it's a marathon too, because it's like, you know,
a lot of games still to come out. Oh yeah, yep, we
got we got a big second half. Now you've both alluded to. I
think the question we're all wondering, where's Mike and Jeff, Where's Sean,
Where's Bob? Where's ashguy? Well, we have a captain's leaderboard here.
Turbo Sean did not have any releases, so he uh, I think final
fit he had rebirth and I think that's why he has a twenty five point
twelve, So he's still sitting pretty with no new releases. Jeff, your
team stunt Race FX on these Hose Gaming is still one of the best names
in the league by far. I'm definitely on the All to Name League number
one. Yeah, hm, yep, yeah, you're you'll be. You'll
be first team All Name League for sure, exactly exactly. You had Don
Trail, Kanitsugami and Manner Lords come out, so You're now moved up to
second with a twenty three point four to three. ASH Guy with his team
Ash Games moved up to third with helbl A two Home World three. And
even though it's in red, this is actually a good counterpick because Skald only
got three three, Right, you could get a lot worse than that.
Yeah, so only minus three that's pretty good. And then I didn't have
anything come out, so I'm just kind of chilling in fourth while you guys
fighting. You've got really bad huh, I mean worse than you. You
know, it's funny you say that, Jeff, because in fifth place we
have Rocket Mike Adventures, uh Captain by Mike Manatti, and now you might
see a red number next to his name, and at any point is good
though at this point, right, that's the thing, like anything in the
positive size is really going to be positive for him, right, yes,
to get there first, and he hasn't had anything released. I forget what
his counterpick was, but that's the only thing that's My counterpick was Rise of
the Ronan, which got a seventy seven. So that's where the negative seven
points excellent, okay, perfect. Look, I have some big games that
are gonna come out of Got Star Wars Outlaws, Mario Luigi Brothership. Thank
goodness you're here, like it's not completely over from me. Although apparently I
had Chante Advance and we know that's not coming out this year. How the
hell is Chante Advanced not coming out this year? Great, but that's fine.
I'll be fine. I'll like one drop right. We still have to
drop right. You probably do if you haven't used it yet. There's also
another option. I think I already had the three D Mario platform. Risk.
I don't worry because I have something that will still save you. That
being said, I didn't want to leave you out of the graphics, so
I did need to put some sort of stat and I feel like, you
know, just some representation. You're on last, you're third from last last,
so it's like you can hang your hat on that it's hanging. So
before I head out, because that is the last slide, I do have
some things to remind the community about September. First, is your counterpick deadline.
We all started with one. You need a bid for your second one,
and of course it's a counterpick, so it has to be someone else's
pick in your division. And that deadline is September first. If you do
not have a second counterpick by then, it's an automatic negative fifteen. So
literally, bid on anything because it's probably better than a negative fifteen. Right
that being said, Something that we do that I know the Giant Bomb League
I'm pretty sure doesn't is a super drop. And Mike, this is where
you might be saved. So after September one, I think you have to
be within a certain threshold of the lead. And let me tell you,
none of us are in that threshold. So this applies to all five captains.
There's a super drop, which basically is an extra drop that does it
that ignores every single rule. You could drop a game that came out that
sucked, you could drop a bad counterpick, you could drop another game that's
supposed to come out this year. It's a totally rules free drop and it's
given to anyone. It's it's a catch up. It's a ketchup mechanic basically,
So okay, have no fear your negative six point six y' eight will
not stay, you know, for the rest of the year. And Jeff
you mentioned it too. There's a lot of games coming out. I do
want to recall from last year, the uncharted Wolf was like doing terrible.
I don't think he even remembered he was in this league, and then we
reminded him and he came in second, and all of his games he picked
up between like September and November. So there, you know, there's I
know, the leaderboard looks scary, but if you're pet in it, yeah,
you have played any of games like go, you might have to get
in the weeds a little bit, but there are stuff out there that can
definitely get you to the top. I mean, we weird things happen like
that get a lot of points. But Latro is over ninety, right,
and that kind of came out of nowhere. But even like you know,
things like you know the expansion for Destiny too, that was like a that
was over ninety. That was a huge gift for somebody that maybe you wouldn't
think of right away necessarily. Yeah, this is and like just to remind
people, like right now, I think we are in the period where you
can't bid on anything. That'll start again on Sunday Monday. When does that
began again? Yes, so as of I think an hour ago, or
maybe it was two hours ago. Yeah, yeah, we are we can
only bid on games that already have between Monday and or Sunday and Thursday.
So if you're bidding on something right now, it's probably something that someone else
already bid on. But yes, starting Sunday open the bids open up again
and you can bid on whatever you want. So yeah, unfortunate timing,
but yeah, yep, next week will be Yeah, that's good. Just
either way. The point is, pay attention everybody, get back in there,
give it a shot. But they got reminds of giant on people to
pay attention to that league too. We gotta give them. There's something on
forget what something's on the line there, that's right, whoever gets in last
has to play the game that got the worst review score that anyone pays.
Okay, so all right, anything else, bit you, bob. I
was gonna say, if you need me to make like a you know,
a masculating review for that league, you know my services are available, So
all right, I'm projected for first in that one. That'd be great.
Yeah, yeah, we'll enjoy that and see what you could do on that.
We'll see, maybe we can make something happen for a BCR here pretty
soon, all right, Uh, let's wrap things up, Mike, I'm
gonna hit the button waiting super Chat supertest. Yes, we can get a
few more super chats in there, Mike, go ahead and read those forests
please. Ye from a dibity dabs is playing the new Noman Sky update and
just named my starting planet game has decides fantastic payable to Dibity Dab, this
game is excellent. Yeah, I have not played No Mans Guy since basically
launch. I would be curious to go back and just catch up on all
of these amazing updates. Apparently so the same. Have you thought much more
about their weird like big world game that they're also making. He has to
be tweeting what's his name, Sean Murray Murray, Hello games, Sean Murray.
Yes, Christen, that was one of your That was one of your
most extreme coming in hots. Yeah, it was just it said it in
like half a second. Uh yeah, earlier this week I was thinking a
lot about that game. Actually, I'm like that they probably have got so
many refined technologies that they are going to deploy on that thing, and then
to just have one planet and it's a fantasy set, I'm probably gonna lose
myself in that game. I'm really hopeful. Uh, I think we have
a few more super chats, right, yeah, El Grugs has random thought.
But what if then Dakatana and Nintender World Championship leaderboard situations are karma for
not buying a squid word last Friday. All right, fine, I'll buy
a squid word right fucking now? Are you people happy? Happy? Symbiosis
is killer dump truck today? Boys Backlar would be proud. Also, there
was no way Castanzas Frogger score would have still been on that machine. Yeah.
Absolutely, Brono triggers is Mike. I hope the Skyriz helps keep the
Crowns at bay. Thank you, Brono. And Chris Pratt says we should
have a Gamer National Convention. I agree we should have Chris Pratt in that
coot for the gamers. Thank you, Chris Pratt, Thank you, Chris,
Thank you Chris On. And that is it now? All right,
I'll see you all at the GNC, where I'm sure there will be several
very violent riots. Until then, though, let's hit the button, Mike.
Yeah, anything going on? You want to tell people? Is there
a stream you got planned or anything like that? I mean, there's a
new nineties Disney out talking about our favorite transportation vehicles and rides in Disney World.
But yeah, i' gonna get to streaming this weekend. Probably, Yeah,
Friday nights we'll do some more Stark Souls, but definitely some Nintendo World
Championship and probably maybe some of this Concord beta honestly too, I want to
check that out at least a little bit. So yeah, plenty of things
to play this weekend for sure. Uh Yeah, I'm uh. I'll probably
find some time to get online and maybe stream something I want to. Like
I said, I want to take some time to myself this weekend. That'll
probably involve that I did a Q and A last weekend. I still have
not posted that. I'll get that taken care of, and by that,
I mean I might send it over to Christian. We'll get that posted for
everybody. Anything else, Yeah, giant bomb, A ton of great stuff
happened this week. As people have been alluding to. It was a very
fun Voicemail Dump Truck. You should go check that out. If you haven't
subscribed that podcast, just go do it now. Just go search Voicemail Dump
Truck or VMDT on your podcast player and listen to that. It's a good
time. Tomorrow, I'll have a game mess mornings and then I'll have a
UPF where we're gonna play some Nintendo World Championship. At the very least,
we'll probably spend most of the time playing that. Mike, you're gonna be
around for that. I can't remember if I believe so, unless I feel
incredibly sky rizzed up. Yeah, no problem, Yes, if you can,
that'd be great. Maybe we'll find a way to like kind of have
some side by side gameplay and we can like just spend some time trying to
set a score on a level or something like that. I don't know.
We'll probably have to just figure it out as we go, and then we'll
do a BCR after that where we'll talk about a few other things this week.
It'll be a good time. Other than that, though, I just
hope everyone has a good week. If you're going out the EVO, be
safe, have a good time. Go find Sean. He's there and he's
he is doing stuff for both Giant Bomb and I think GameSpot as well,
so wow, yeah, so find him, say hello, and then he'll
definitely be like, hey, you want to be in a video, or
maybe there might be a chance you want to be in a video for a
giant bomb. He's gonna be doing a travelog I think, so look out
for that. All right, everybody, thanks for watching. Until next time,
have a good one, Take care of yourself. Bye bye A squid
word. It's thirty five fucking dollars. Fuck yeah, I definitely beat it
this time. Yeah, very mature, Shelley. All right. Games,
yeah, there there they were for from the Family computer disc system the first,
yes, that makes sense, Yeah, the famicn system. Yeah,
and Japan they went famic Con dis system for a lot of stuff, Like
Zelda was a Famicom system disc system game in Japan because that was very popular
over there, and you know, of course it was a lot cheaper for
them to produce those discs than the cartridges. But that never took off anywhere,
well, never took off in North America. I don't know if it
was anywhere else. But like the idea of like taking a disc and going
to a kiosk and like choosing a game and having it like rewritten over a
disc is crazy to me, but that's that's what they were doing back then.
It was it was neat, and it was like the and they they,
you know they so they sold the games at a discount because it was
saving them a lot of money on manufacturing, and they passed the savings on
to you. They would never do that today, absolutely, And you want
to set up the thread. So we're gonna do super chats and then the
right after we're gonna do monroe'smore. Yes, if you guys are interested,
Yeah, I did whip up a messy pin and okay, well then yeah,
do you want to do one? Okay, let's do We'll do a
messy pin. That sounds great. Okay, So then what we'll do is
we'll do the super chat and then we'll and then we'll do messy Pin and
then take a break and I'll get set up for the other thing after that.
Perfect. Okay, sounds good. All right, I'm going to bring
us back in right now. All right, everybody watching live, we appreciate
it. Thanks for hanging out. We'll get right back into it. As
I set up. You just can't do anything about him. Yeah, yeah,
sorry, how do I do this? I guess I just share my
power point. Yeah, you could share the power point as like a window
in discord. That should be good. That's perfect, okay, Mike,
all right, there he is, there he goes, That goes my hero,
there goes my room. All right, there it is, Thank you,
Jeff. I'm a little bummering out doing a mount rushmore of sports like
you said we would. I know we'll get around to that eventually. We'll
get our revenge, as I mean sports games like didn't we do that?
All right? Writes Actual Sports Podcast episode was incredible to hear them like why
they chose those games? Oh so good. I couldn't do it. I
I like those guys, even though they're at barstool and I don't like barstool
overall. PFT commenter is maybe one of the best like sports podcasters ever in
terms of the way that he like can take like a trope at all,
like guys on ESPN do, and turn it on its head immediately. He's
just really sharp. All right, let's see here, let me go like
this, show my camera and then turn off all non video participants and then
grit it up and there we go. We do is that it's not showing
up? Okay, here we go. Okay, it's coming up right now,
don't everybody vamp for me at once appreciate. Sorry, Look we're offline.
It's fine. You know it's funny. I will say, uh YouTube.
I share a special uh kind of hobby with both of you. Mike.
I grew up in Orlando and I'm a big Mark fan, so like
nineties Disney obviously has been great content for me. But then Jeff, I
also have an Ambernick. I'm getting the I in neo flip ds like this
month, So it's like, it's really funny that you two both hit like
super niche hobbies. For me, I think we were none of the people.
That's how it goes. All right, I'm set up. I'll bring
us back in AWE. So you're telling me you see somebody freaking liquid death
your first impulse, like that's the recovering alcoholic that would not be mine,
would think. I think I think people used to looking for a reaction from
you, Mike. I don't think you should listen to those people. I
think people online are pedantic and like you're looking for things to be to be
self righteous about, is what I'm thinking. This is a bad element of
what brings out what the Internet brings out in people. For sure, my
first guest would be they ordered a water, and this is the only thing
they have when you order a water, because that's what's happened to me when
I had it the one time. Okay, are you guys ready to get
right back into it. Yeah, yeah, it's just let's wrap things up
here and film feeling pretty sky riz up. All right, let's let's do
it then, all right,