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Brent Thomas of the Paranormal Portal.
Welcome to Bigfoot Crossroads. How you doing.

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I'm doing brilliant, man, Thanks
for having me on. I'm thrilled

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that we finally get a chance to
sit down and have a conversation. Brother.

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Yeah, for sure, We've been
going back and forth in the online

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weirdo community for a while. Now
I'm glad to have you here and hear

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your voice for a change on big
Foot Crossroads. Man, it's awesome.

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Well, it really is cool to
be here. You know, you and

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I have been friends in in the
same orbit as we were talking about just

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before recording. It's like, you
know, we've known of each other and

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known each other for years, but
it's just, you know, life happens,

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and so I'm really am thrilled to
be on here with you. Brother.

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I've been listening to you long before
I ever had a show. I

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was listening to you and the boys. So it's a pleasure to be here.

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Man. I do have to ask, you know, I apologize in

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advance. I just got back from
being out a stay for a week and

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I'm fighting a cold, so you're
good man. Well, I might get

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froggy, so I apologize to all
the listeners out there. I'm not currently

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in puberty, but I may sound
like it's okay man, we're here for

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you. I thank you very much. So yeah, it's good to be

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here. So how long have you
been doing the Portal now? Oh god?

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I started the Portal as internet radio
show in April of twenty sixteen,

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so I guess it's seven years now, right, Yeah? Is that right?

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You're an old man? Yeah,
and my mask getting worse, That's

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why I asked. But yeah,
I started out then and it was an

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internet radio show for probably a year, just over a year, and then

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I decided to spiderweb onto YouTube as
well, So then I started in twenty

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seventeen. I started on my YouTube
channel and just kind of experimented with things

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and fun fact, I started out
doing reaction videos before reaction videos were a

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thing, but it was before the
common use was kind of identified, so

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I kept getting copyright strike, so
I had to quit doing that and I

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quit doing it completely, and then
just kind of melded it into a topic

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show, the variety kind of show
covering all the different paranormal stuff where there's

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cryptosdoology, aliens, UFOs, goes, strange phenomena and I just really have

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had a blast tune it and and
so I kept doing that for a while

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and then it was it was actually
kind of funny. I was I was

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doing this show now. As I
said, I listened to you for years

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and you were you were one of
my staples. And then also would listen

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to of course Sasquatch Chronicles and I
would sit I worked in a cubicle at

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the time doing marketing and stuff,
and I had headphones on and would always

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listen to, you know, both
of these shows. And I was doing

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my show on YouTube one time and
suddenly I got a live call into my

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show and it was West. It's
like, hey, I's all over because

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it was like, oh my god, you know, it's like a bucket

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list here. So he talked and
then afterwards he contacted me online. It

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said, you know, look,
why why isn't this a podcast? I'm

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like, I don't know, And
so that's how it became a podcast.

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It was it was just kind of
inspired his advice, and I was like,

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yeah, you know, I'll give
it a shot. I mean,

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of course I'd listen to podcasts,
but it never really thought, well,

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do I have a podcast. I
just had a show, so U and

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it's been really cool. It's been
wonderful to do it and to have an

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opportunity to talk to so many incredible
people about their experiences, seeing the experiences

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through their eyes, and you know, I guess the whole journey has been

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kind of like me just trying to
understand this stuff because there's something going on

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in our world. There's a lot
of things going on in our world that's

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largely ignored by our you know,
traditional Western thinking, but it's happening.

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People are seeing eight ten feet tall
hairy creatures and such, and they're seeing

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UFOs, which is finally starting to
get vindication now, thank god, you

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know. And there's having ghost experiences
and and so I just like you know,

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and having had several of my own
of different different experiences, so I

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was like, I just want to
understand this if it's possible too, and

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I I really don't know that it
is, But at least every time I

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talk to somebody that has experiences,
I think I'd learned something new every time,

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because everybody sees things a little differently, and somebody I talked to may

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just come out and say something they
saw the event that's very similar to events

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that have happened to hundreds of other
people, but they saw it in a

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unique way and they'll pull some detail. I was like, oh, well

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that's interesting. So it's like this
ongoing game of connected dots kind of.

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But you know, that's my personal
motivation in doing it. But I just

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feel really honored to have a platform
and to have a voice, and to

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also be able to help people,
you know. I think it's really cool

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that some people have been carrying this
stuff around for decades, you know,

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without the outlet, and then they'll
reach out and that you know, hey,

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I'd like to come on your show. They'll come on, and then

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afterwards getting emails or calls from them
like thank you so much. I've been

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carrying this for years, and I
feel so much lighter now. It's like

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they're carrying around these bricks, you
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and really fascinating and an amazing experience, you know, as you know,

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being involved in all of this,
it's it's quite an adventure, it is.

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So did you you had your own
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doing your show and everything, so
that was kind of your motivation for having

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an interest in these type of topics, like what happened? Why did you

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experience? Well? Yeah, how
much time we got mad? Because I

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actually, Okay, so my first
experience that I can recall, and I

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don't believe there's any that that happened
prior to this as far as supernatural crypto,

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you know, forty en or whatever. Um, But what had happened

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was I was hiking. I lived
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along the Mississippi River valley, and
where I grew up was budded right next

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to a state park, a state
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myself and friends that would be visiting
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have people near all the time,
but when they would come in during the

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summers and stuff, we'd go adventure
on the bluff and stuff. And I

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think I was about fourteen years old
at this time, and I was hiking

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up there on the bluff, which
is oddly enough called Rattlesnake Bluff. True

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true story. But um, we're
hiking up there, and we've been up

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there on the bluff and it's you
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rough land, there's nuts, you
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but not anywhere near where we actually
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area butts right up to the forest. So we hike up onto this bluff

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and we're dorking around up there all
day, pretty much all afternoon whatever,

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and it started to get later in
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we gotta we gotta find our way
down because it's gonna get dark quick and

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we're gonna get stuck up in these
woods with no light. Um. So

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we started working our way down and
we're going down this this it's kind of

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a ravine. It's like a dry
run, looks like a stream bed,

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but it only has water when the
melt off happens in the spring. So

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over the you know, hundreds or
thousands of years is carved out this stream

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bed and with waterfalls and stutch on
the way down. But at this point

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it was blown dry. And so
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point and not I didn't see anything
unusual. Then, nothing was out of

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the ordinary, just another day.
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you kind of got apply your course. We go down the dry riverbed and

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you know, there's lots of rocks
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of treacherous. So we stopped,
took a breather, and we're kind of

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looking ahead at the path, and
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within like eight feet and above maybe
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this deep, menacing, rumbling growl. And I was like, oh,

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my God. And I'm telling you
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up in this area. I'd lived
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we had in that area was white
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Now, at the time, I
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had no concept of it because whatever
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it was just powerful. And I'm
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my body as much as I heard
the sound. It was just that kind

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of power in this in this noise, and I was absolutely frozen. Now,

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in a lot of times in experiences, people talk about, you know,

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infrasound or being zapped or whatever,
that they couldn't move. I could

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move, but I was so afraid
because in my mind, whatever was making

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that sound, I was sure it
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I just thought I didn't want to
do anything to provoke anything. Now.

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Interestingly enough, my friend had the
same exact reaction. We just both

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froze and did and it just kept
and I can't even imitate it and do

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it justice. It was just so
deep and profound, and I didn't dare

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look because I guess I thought I
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to know what the thing killing me
was going to look like at least,

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you know, I was just gonna
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this is quick. I don't know
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it was so menacing, it was
so powerful. But finally, after nothing

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changing for a few seconds, I'm
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And he goes, I don't know, but we have to get the hell

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out of here. And so they
say fight, you know, fight or

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flight. You don't want to run
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response. But you know, I
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whatever there was, there was nothing
in the fight category there for me.

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It was that was a foregone conclusion. It was like a Q tip here,

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you know, And so I knew
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not an option the only thing left
is flight, and so we took off

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and it didn't pursue, It didn't
make any other noise, but we just

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took off and went downhill, never
looked back, and we got we I

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mean, we must have run about
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terrain getting the hell out of there. And when we got to the road,

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you know, just turned around finally
to look and nothing was there.

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Nothing was coming, no sounds,
nothing. And I carried that forever because

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all I knew is we had raccoon, we had fox, we had the

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occasional coyote. Sometimes stories of like
mountain lions or whatever, but only legendary,

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but nothing that was so big that
it was actually so much taller than

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us and able to resonate a sound
so menacing and deep, and it was

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horrifying. It was to this day. It was the most scared I've ever

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been in my entire life. And
I carried that for years, and it

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took me out of the woods.
I used to go up in those woods

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religiously through the warm months, and
it took me out of those woods for

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a couple or a couple of years
or more. But you know, finally,

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as a kid, and you know, you want to go hiking,

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you want to go do things we
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just kind of dismissed it and went
back to, you know, being a

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part of the land that I lived
in. But I didn't know what it

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was, and it was such a
weird thing, and it just sat in

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the back of my mind, like
what is that? What was that?

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What could that have been? And
I'm really grateful that I wasn't alone,

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because I think anytime you have an
experience like that, you second guess yourself,

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well, like did that really happen? Was that really something that occurred

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or could it have been my imagination? Could it have been you know,

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some weird sound that I just misunderstood, or you know, But having both

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of us there was really at the
time I was comforting because I was thinking,

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well, maybe I'm faster than him. But but I didn't know what

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to do with it. And you
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I heard about that because I used
to watch In Search of and it's

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kind of dating me now you're kind
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But with Leonard Dimoy and he talked
about big foods, but it was

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something in the Pacific Northwest. I'm
in the middle of you know, in

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the middle of corn country basically down
there, and so I had no no,

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no reference point for what this could
be, and it was just something

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that I carried for years. And
it wasn't until the first time that I

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heard a sound that reminded me of
it was when I went to the movie

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theater and saw the movie Jurassic Park
and it's the part where they're all kind

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of trapped in those cars and that
big t Rex is kind of, you

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know, wandering around, and then
it sees the flashlight and it comes down,

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growling, just down to their level, looking in the car to those

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kids, and it does this,
and my whole body broke out in chills,

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and all my hairs stood on and
it's like, oh, I remember

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that, I remember something just like
that, and it really brought me back

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to that moment. So then I
started, you know, full disclosure,

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I started watching Finding Bigfoot, and
I started to learn that this wasn't a

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Pacific Northwest thing was it was everywhere. People are seeing these things everywhere,

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and it was like, oh,
my god, is that possible in you

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know where I live. Could there
have been one there or some there or

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something and it never occurred to me. I went after this realization happened,

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I went back up into those woods, and I I, you know,

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I know there's there's a lot of
controversy around structures and around tree breaks,

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because if you don't see it happened, how do you really attribute it to

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a creature or a being? You
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a dugout structure with all broken sticks, nothing cut up up in that hill.

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And then I found like a six
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about four feet off down to the
ground, with no deadfall anywhere near it.

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And this is, you know,
this is an untouched land, so

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it's not like somebody's out there logging
and knocked down a tree and then drug

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it out. But but it was
just and I'm like, well, you

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know, they're very pliable, they
don't usually just bend and break. Yeah.

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Yeah. So then I was like, wow, maybe it really was.

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Maybe that's what I encountered that day, And so I don't have the

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luxury saying yeah I had a big, bigfoot encounter, but I hadn't encountered

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with something huge, And the only
thing I can think that that makes sense

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is that it could be a big
foot, you know. So I guess

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it was kind of good to be
able to give it a potential identity.

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But can I say it was big
footnote because I didn't look. But I

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didn't want to die either, so
I made the red call. Yeah,

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you know it just sitting here hearing
you talk about it. You know,

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I've never heard you tell this story. Someone had mentioned to me at some

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point, Hey, you should ask
Brent about his bigfoot story, like he's

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had a possible bigfoot encounter, and
I've just never taught to you about it

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until now. But the way you're
describing it, a couple things come to

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mind. Being around that age myself
at the time, me and my cousin

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were exploring this area on the outskirts
of an extremely small town, a town

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with a population of around a hundred
people at the time, and we followed

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this long, you know, dirt
road. It had the trees growing over

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on each side. It kind of
went around a curve and as you came

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around the curve, it emptied out. It was actually a driveway, a

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really long driveway. For this the
most haunted looking house I've ever seen in

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my life. You know, like
Leatherface is going to come busting out of

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the door at any moment. But
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What did come busting out was a
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not on a chain or anything.
And that dog, it started barking and

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kind of trotting towards us. And
as you were saying, at that age,

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there is no fight, there is
only flight, right, And I

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remember turning around and just hauling ass
as fast as I could. Yeah,

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And the next thing I know,
my cousin is just sprinting by me,

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just leaving me in the dust entirely, and I was just waiting for that

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dog to clamp down on the back
of my leg and kill me. Luckily,

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obviously nothing happened from it, but
yeah, that that kind of terror

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whenever you're a kid. The unknown
part was the hardest, I think for

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me, because something was up in
those woods that I'd never encountered before through

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years of being up in those woods. Something was now there that absolutely terrified

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me. And it's it's incredibly immasculine
because you know, you're fourteen, you're

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kind of coming of age. Yeah, you kind of you're you're starting a

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man up a bit, and you're
yeah, you know, you can do

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things. And then they have that
happening and feeling like just a toddler,

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just feeling like a baby was just
like, oh my god. Yeah,

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you're absolutely right. It's a it's
a metric for the rest of my experiences.

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I'm sure this is something you've experienced. Talking to other witnesses, you

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know, we hear a lot of
these stories from people about where they're like,

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well, I experienced something. I
don't know what it was. I

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didn't see it, you know,
but it could have been. And me

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and another colleague were recently talking about
that. There's actually another podcast host that

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has something going on on their property
but they're not willing to call it bigfoot

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because they haven't seen bigfoot, you
know, and they're explaining it away and

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I told him, I was like, you know, if he didn't think

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it was bigfoot, he wouldn't be
talking about it, right, Yeah,

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you don't. Some of the most
terrifying things you experience, some of the

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most substantial encounters that happen, nothing
has ever seen. But the point is

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that it sticks with you for the
rest of your life. That to me,

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that's proof. Yeah, Oh,
I like absolutely, because if it's

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if it's if it's powerful enough to
impact your life and how you live it,

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then it's substantial. You may not
know the exact cause, but I

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mean, how many culprits are you
know, are available for something like that,

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you know, right, a possible
Bigfoot occurrence at the age of fourteen,

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Yes, sir. So your interest
obviously isn't just Bigfoot specific. You

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your show covers all kinds of crazy
topics, you know, anything unexplained.

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Did you have any paranormal experiences growing
up or anything? None? None before

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that again, that was kind of
my my entry point, and none that

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I can remember right after that.
My ghostly experiences mostly started when it was

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my ex wife and I lived in
a brand new house that my uncle had

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built and we were renting from him
just in at the time. We were

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waiting to move into our own place, but we stayed in this house that

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they built and was just kind of
sitting dormant in a very you know,

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it's a very suburban area, but
the house was brand new The land was

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just land before that, and that's
when we first started having ghostly experiences.

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So I had a bunch of experiences
in that house, a lot of a

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lot of footsteps walking around, which
was very unusual. Um, you know,

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sounds that didn't make sense now as
a new house. So you got

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to attribute some of that too.
Yeah, you know, it's settling,

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it's it's you know, making its
footprints as as time goes on. But

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but it was I was I used
to smoke at that time, and I

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was smoking a cigarette and I worked
nights, so on my nights off,

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I would just kind of just stay
up late and kind of keep the same

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schedule. So my wife at the
time was asleep in the bedroom and I

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was sitting there smoking a cigarette on
on the floor, leaning against the sofa.

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You know, My TV was up
in front of me, and I'm

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sitting there smoking a cigarette and suddenly
there's and I didn't know what the hell

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this was at the time. I
learned since what it was, but at

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the time, I was like,
what the hell is that? Well,

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what I saw was this, I
don't know, it was about a quarter

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or fifty cent piece size of a
ball of light that was about two feet

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from my face, just drifting lazily
from my left to my right right at

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eye level. I'm like, what
the hell is that? You know,

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I had no concept. I had
no concept of what this was. And

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I was like, not so bright
you couldn't look into it, but it

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had that same kind of radiant quality
like the sun, and it just kind

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of dripping slowly by my face.
And then by the time I got to

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you just pass my right eye,
I'm fallowing out of my eyes and my

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head. I'm like, should I
grab it? And then I'm like,

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no, I should not grab it. I don't any idea what the all

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that is. And so then suddenly
it just you know, pushed away to

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my right quicker and was gone.
And I was like, what the hell

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is that? I mean, I
didn't have a concept of spirit orbs at

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that time, you know, or
orbs. I never heard about it.

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So I had this experience, this
little ball of light, and I'm like,

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what is that? And you know, since then I've come to,

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you know, find out that it's
But we had a lot of other things

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happened there. One of the creepier
stories, and I'll share this with you

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and it's I think it has to
do with the setting more than anything.

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The activity was profound, but it
was mostly the setting that made it just

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so creepy. So I'd come home
from work. I was working in a

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in a factory and it was very
dusty, dirty kind of job. And

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I got home. No, my
wife had had an absolute talent for doing

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dishes right when I'm in the shower, so I got hot, cold,

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hot, cold happening, you know. So I was really excited this day

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because I got home early. I'm
like, oh God, I'm gonna have

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a fully hot shower. So I
locked up the house, you know,

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make sure everything's all secure, h
in the bathroom, you know, stripped

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down, got in the shower,
and I'm all lathered up. I'm in

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my you know, steam bath shower, just cooking and in loving life.

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And then all of a sudden,
the water goes ice cold. I'm like,

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oh God, she must have come
home. I thought maybe she got

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home or something. So I'm like, oh, the water is freezing.

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I'm all lathered up, I'm like
a I'm like a soap balloon at this

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point. So I'm like, oh
God, I'm like freezing and rinsing off

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as quickly as I can. I'm
like, oh, that sucked, you

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know, shut off the water,
and I hear water running, like a

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lot of water running. I'm like, what the hell is that? So

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I pull open the curtain. The
hot water faucet in the sink is blasting

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full full steam that runs blasting full, and there's steam coming out of there,

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and I'm like, oh my god. But just psychologically being naked and

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being scared is really really creep you
know. It's like, oh God,

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you know, just thinking something was
in there with me and God only knows,

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you know, what's going on,
but it was just the whole not

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that clothes off for much protection,
but it's just psychological, you know.

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But You're standing there in the inner
birthday suits and someone else he can't see

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he's in there with you, and
it's like loot. So and then I

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letting checked all the doors, the
bathroom door were still locked, went out

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the house. Nobody's there. Yeah, very strange. So that that,

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to me is one of my creepier
experiences. But it's just because I was

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naked at the time. I mean, yeah, that would be terrifying,

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absolutely terrifying. Right, And now
some people say oh, it could be

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a plumbing issue. Well, I
mean, if if a faucet comes on

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a little bit, that's a plumbing
issue. But it was all the way

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on. It was a brand new
faucet. It's not like it was kind

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of larn the washers were getting weak
and stuff. I mean, it's brand

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new and it was solid. Never
turned on by itself before or after that,

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but it did that time. So
that was a that was a pretty

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profound experience for me, for manner. But we did finally move out of

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there and then moved into the house, which was one else that we were

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moving into, which was built in
eighteen ninety four as a Queen Anne Victorian

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house and a beautiful old home.
But we had a lot of things happened

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there as well. Now I don't
know if you know, I've thought about

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it's like, well, did something
follow us or was it already in these

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places and just kind of woke up
or you know what? You know,

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you don't know, But I had
a lot of different things happened, like

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this, this door that went into
the kitchen that you know, those double

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swinging doors it goes either way,
is an antake door, but it used

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to get hung up on the carpet
and so, you know, into one

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room, and then there was tile
in the kitchen, but it was you

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know, if you went into the
kitchen, it was fine because it would

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just go closed and kind of hit
the carpet and stop. But if you

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went out, you had to kind
of give it a little elbow grease to

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get it over the shag carpeting and
so um, I don't know, it

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was stuck in the in the open
position. And this this happened to my

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ex wife. Actually she was sitting
there alone. Again, I was working

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nights and the factory stuff. So
um, she was sitting there and the

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door was hung up, and suddenly, all by itself, she heard this

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dragging noise and then like the doors
doing it, you know, back and

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forth thing, and she's like,
she freaked her out. And then she

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had this really cheap tubular brass furniture
that was real popular back in the day.

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Yeah, and you could hear every
time anybody was ever, you know,

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near them, like they were just
noisy. And we didn't have any

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pets or any kids at this time, so it was just her alone another

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night and she said, suddenly she
was hearing squeaking chairs, like somebody was

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sitting in the chairs and stuff,
and it really really freaked her out.

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And again, these are kind of
one off experiences. It's not like they

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happened all the time. It was
just this weird, random stuff that would

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happen, and so, you know, it freaked her out. And eventually

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we separated and divorced. Um not
because of this, but you know it's

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certainly probably didn't know, but um, I was living then alone in the

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house at the time, and by
then the two wheeler brass furniture was gone

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because you know, we got divorce. She took her with her or whatever.

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So, um, I'm leaving my
house one day, and I came

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out of the kitchen and went through
the dining room, which is now empty.

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But in the dining room ceiling there's
this this chandelier and it's a it's

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an older chandelier, not necessarily antique, but it was older from probably the

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fifties or something. And I walked
through the dining room and I reached to

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grab the door to go out onto
my porch and then outside to my car.

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But I reached and grabbed the door
handle, and sudden they had this

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feeling like turn around, So,
I mean it was it wasn't really a

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thought, it was just a feeling
like I should turn around. So I

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had my hand still on the door
handle, and I turned around, and

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just as I looked back into the
dining room, that chandelier pulled out of

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the ceiling and crashed to the floor. Now when I say pulled out of

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the ceiling, I mean screws and
plaster came down as well. It was

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like it didn't just always and really
hung well. It was there for you

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know, probably fifty years or better, and that at that moment it was

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yanked out of my ceiling and crashed
onto the floor. And I was like,

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oh my god, so true story. It really happened. Wow,

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Yeah, that one was. That
one was a little a little freakier.

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But you know, and I say
this every time anybody asked it, because

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they're like, did that terrify you? And I think, honestly, and

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I say this with all sincerity,
I think there's something wrong with me because

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actually when that happened, it pissed
me off. It's like, oh God,

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now I gotta fix that. And
I swear to God, you know,

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because I mean, it's not like
life wasn't already hard enough. Now

410
00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:48,799
I'm gonna figure out how to repair
antique plaster or and you know, rehan

411
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,240
a chandelier and all that. So
I was really upset, but I didn't

412
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,920
get scared, you know. So
I don't know if something's wrong with me

413
00:28:56,039 --> 00:29:00,599
or not. But that's how I
filtered. It was with disgust and rage.

414
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,319
So having you know, the initial
experience out in the woods, and

415
00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:11,119
then these events happen to you,
and then you've been doing this podcast that

416
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:17,480
spans all these different type of topics. Do you have one that interests you

417
00:29:17,559 --> 00:29:22,279
more than the others? You know, I don't think I do, I

418
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:26,559
tell you what, They all fascinate
me. You know, maybe for the

419
00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:33,279
same reasons, because I think that
each of these different topics serves to remind

420
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,960
us that we we don't really know
our world as well as we think we

421
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:41,319
do. You know, we have
this real, real arrogance about us,

422
00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:45,480
like you know, we've conquered the
known world kind of thing. But this

423
00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:48,839
stuff just seems to happen in the
face of all that and goes. Maybe

424
00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:52,039
it's saying, you know, you
guys still have a lot to learn,

425
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:55,000
you know, like there might I
don't know if it's a divine purpose to

426
00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:57,720
it or not, but it seems
to be like it happens to show us,

427
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,279
you know, there's more here,
you're missing some of it. And

428
00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:06,319
I don't know, you know,
what the endgame of that is, but

429
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,880
I think it's kind of like Nicola
Tesla said that as soon as we start,

430
00:30:10,319 --> 00:30:12,839
you know, really exploring the non
physical, then we're going to make

431
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:17,799
more strides than we have in all
of combined history. And I think he's

432
00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:19,920
onto something there, because I mean, if you think about it, Matt

433
00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:26,599
people, the chandelier pulled out of
my ceiling with no force visible there to

434
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,359
do it. I've seen objects move, I've had a pen and roll away

435
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,680
from my hand as I was going
to grab it. I've had doors slam

436
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,640
and shut and you know, no
visible perpetrator. And then you know,

437
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:44,960
we got these huge beings running around
in our forests that are not even acknowledged

438
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,079
by our sciences, even in the
face of what I think is overwhelming evidence.

439
00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:52,000
They just won't look into it.
And then we're being visited apparently by

440
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:56,599
beings from you know, who knows
where there's transdimensional or the distant reaches of

441
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:03,000
the Cosmos, but they're coming here. You'll ing devices that defy our known

442
00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:07,279
understanding of physics. And so it's
like every one of these things stands to

443
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:11,599
teach us something more about our world
because we have all these examples, and

444
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,599
I find that fascinating, and I
honestly don't want to live in a world

445
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:22,279
where it's just all labeled and categorized
and put on a shelf, because that,

446
00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:23,960
to me would be boring. I
love that there's still mystery and there's

447
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:30,640
still discovery, and that we stand
to learn so much just by looking deeper

448
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,039
into these things. And so I
don't pretend that I'm the guy that's going

449
00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:37,440
to crack the case, but I
do find it absolutely fascinating, you know,

450
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,519
from a personal standpoint, and from
you know, the idea that maybe

451
00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:45,599
all of this is meant to teach
us something, you know what I mean.

452
00:31:45,839 --> 00:31:49,599
Yeah, for sure, I think
it's extremely egotistical of us as a

453
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:57,160
civilization to think that we've got anything
figured out. You know. I was

454
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,279
just talking to somebody the other day
about how, you know, the human

455
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:07,240
lineage went a certain direction with technology
because of certain discoveries that we made,

456
00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:13,960
most likely you know, by complete
accident and so we followed that path which

457
00:32:14,039 --> 00:32:16,440
led us to this point. Right, But it could have you know,

458
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:21,000
we could have discovered an entirely different
type of technology that would have took us

459
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:25,480
down an entirely different path. Right. Uh. It's just really interesting to

460
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:31,359
think about. And that's just here
on our own planet, and we're nothing

461
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:37,079
in the grand scheme of things.
Sure, yeah, exactly. I mean

462
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:39,480
if you think about even like the
microwave, and I was it was discovered

463
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:44,759
because some guy had his ice cream
too close to a microwave emitting device and

464
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:49,119
realized, hey, you can cook
cook with us. Hey, hey that

465
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:53,319
it screams a boddle all of a
sudden. So I and it almost seems

466
00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:57,200
like there there's a there's almost an
intelligence to some of this, and I

467
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,319
think that you know, it happens
to all of us, maybe or any

468
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,359
variety of reasons. But I just
think this stuff is showing us something.

469
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,799
This is the breadcrumbs, and I
think it's arrogant not to at least follow

470
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:13,680
it and see where that leads.
And not that everything's going to teach us

471
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,680
some profound truth, but I mean, you know, things like like with

472
00:33:16,839 --> 00:33:23,599
again with the spiritual stuff, that
things objects, levitating objects, disappearing and

473
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:29,720
reappearing in impossible places, like a
crawl space that nobody goes to. It's

474
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,200
like, well, how the hell
did that happen? That's like a star

475
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:34,839
trek kind of thing. You know, you phase it out one place and

476
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:37,440
it appears somewhere else. Is that, you know, some kind of weird

477
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:40,720
wormholes or is there an intelligence behind
it? Is there? You know,

478
00:33:40,839 --> 00:33:45,279
is there a portals happening that you
know we don't understand. You know,

479
00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:50,559
all of this is demonstrating something incredible, you know, and I think it's

480
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,200
again, I think it's foolish to
ignore that just because it doesn't fit into

481
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:59,200
the box that we have set aside
for physics and science. You know,

482
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:04,680
a friend of mine who lives here
in Oklahoma. We chat back and forth

483
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:10,480
on a pretty regular basis. She's
actually been on the podcast before when we've

484
00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:15,719
kind of, you know, we
struck up a friendship with our mutual interest

485
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:21,599
in the paranormal and all these kind
of things. And one day she messaged

486
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:25,000
me and she was asking me about
hair ties. She was like, you

487
00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:29,880
know, those little black rubber band
hair ties come in all different colors that

488
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,079
girls, you know, put ponytails
up in and everything. I was like,

489
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:35,639
yeah, sure, and she was
like, well, I've been finding

490
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:38,519
them. I was like, okay, you know, and she's like,

491
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:43,320
but I've been finding them in like
very specific places, Like I'll get out

492
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,159
of my car at the grocery store
and go grocery shopping, and then when

493
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:50,280
I come back, there's one like
laying right next to my car door on

494
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,679
the ground, and it's always it's
always a black one. They're always black,

495
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:58,760
no other color, huh. And
I was like, okay, well

496
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,159
and she was like, well,
I you know, they're pretty common.

497
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,840
You know, lots of people wear
them, so it's not that big of

498
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,320
a deal. And I was like
sure, and she's like, let me

499
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:12,039
send you a picture. And she
sends me a picture and she had like

500
00:35:12,119 --> 00:35:17,000
a pile of like a hundred of
them that she had found randomly. Wow.

501
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,039
I mean that seems a message.
Yeah, yeah, So yeah,

502
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,079
what are they trying to say?
Are they trying to communicate with us?

503
00:35:27,079 --> 00:35:29,440
Are they trying to show us something
like what's the deal? You know,

504
00:35:29,519 --> 00:35:34,079
there's that whole movie trope about oh
they want help, you know, passing

505
00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:37,880
on or whatever. But what do
you think you've talked to a lot of

506
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,519
people. Do you think they're really
trying to communicate with the living? Are

507
00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:45,719
they even the deceased at all?
Is it really the ghost of people that

508
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,360
we're dealing with? What do you
think's going on? Well, that's kind

509
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,400
of the million dollar really that,
But it appears to be in a lot

510
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:57,960
of cases, you know, like
when when my dad passed away. This

511
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,840
is kind of a personal story,
but I'm happy to share it here.

512
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:04,480
Um. I think I think that
our loved ones do find ways to come

513
00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:07,559
through to us. And sometimes symbology
is a big thing, like symbols that

514
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:13,480
maybe make them make us think about
them or think about things attributed to them.

515
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,639
And so it can be a song
that you just managed to always hear

516
00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:19,719
her, or it could be you
know, I don't know, could be

517
00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:22,559
a cardinal, a bird or you
know, something that you just notice,

518
00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:27,239
or a butterfly. It seems to
be real common symbols. But I do

519
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,320
think that that's that's part of them
reaching through the veil. Now, Is

520
00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:35,000
am I sure about that? No? I mean, I don't know for

521
00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:39,599
sure what's here, but I think
that that, like with my dad's situation,

522
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:46,360
he chose dreams and it was perfect. So my dad and I had

523
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:51,800
a real challenging relationship. We butted
heads a lot. He was a very

524
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,880
stubborn man, and I'm a very
stubborn man, sou and he was very

525
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,000
old school, just kind of my
way or the highway kind of guy.

526
00:36:59,039 --> 00:37:02,079
And you know, and it's not
like there wasn't a love between us.

527
00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:06,199
We did love each other, but
it was just we just boumed head's a

528
00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:14,280
lot. And he got the COPD
there breathing issues and it was getting sick,

529
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,239
and you know, I went and
visited he me at home, but

530
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,320
then I came back out here where
I live in North Idaho. The home,

531
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,000
of course is still in Minnesota,
but you know, and we visited

532
00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:29,719
a little bit, but there's still
a million things left unstead. And then

533
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,880
the phone call came. It's like, yeah, your dad died. I

534
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:40,679
was like, oh. And it's
this crushing feeling of having all of these

535
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:46,719
things that probably should have been said
and had a million opportunities to say them,

536
00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:52,760
but for our own reasons, we
choose and chose never to actually have

537
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:58,000
that dialogue. And so it was
it was really really a painful thing because

538
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,039
I was like, wow, I
guess I got to carry this the rest

539
00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:05,320
of my life, you know,
because there's no way for me to do

540
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,719
that. But anyway, so I
was kind of feeling bad and you know,

541
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:15,440
feeling sad that that was the way
our relationship ended. And then I

542
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:20,800
went to sleep one night and I'm
here to tell you I had a dream

543
00:38:21,679 --> 00:38:25,639
that was so real. It's more
real than me sitting here in my studio

544
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:34,039
talking to you. Everything was absolutely
brilliantly vibrant and alive. I was standing

545
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:38,159
in his living room and there he
was, and I had perfect consciousness about

546
00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:40,320
it. It's not like when you're
in a dream and you're you kind of

547
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:45,639
figure things out. It's like that
whole experience. I knew where I was,

548
00:38:45,679 --> 00:38:47,360
I knew that I was me,
and you know, and what all

549
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,480
of my emotional stuff I was fully
cognition of. So I was in perfect

550
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:55,760
lucidity and I turned and there he
was, standing in the living room,

551
00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:00,119
just a few feet away from me. I'm like Dad, and I put

552
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:05,280
out my arms and he put out
his arms and we embraced. And I'm

553
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:10,039
here to tell you it smelled like
him, it felt like him. Everything

554
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:15,400
about him was just as as as
sincere and real as as if he was

555
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,639
really standing in front of me in
this room, and and I could,

556
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:24,079
you know, feel him now he
I don't remember him actually speaking, but

557
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:29,679
we had an entire dialogue as we
stood there embracing, and I'm like,

558
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,280
I'm so sorry I wasn't a better
son, and he's like, you know,

559
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,960
I'm so sorry I wasn't a better
dad, And and we were able

560
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:43,840
to just in that moment, we're
able to connect and and and heal.

561
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:50,119
And it was this entirely cathartic experience
of being able to put that to rest.

562
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,960
And then before I knew it,
you know, his embrace ended,

563
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,960
and and then it was like bomos. Back in my bed, I woke

564
00:39:57,039 --> 00:40:00,960
up just sobbing, just you know, tears rolling it down my face.

565
00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:07,199
And it was incredibly powerful and beautiful. And I know that some people out

566
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,440
there may be, well, you
know, it's just your subconscious coming to

567
00:40:10,599 --> 00:40:15,119
terms of the fact your father died, and so you created this experience so

568
00:40:15,159 --> 00:40:17,360
you could, you know, you
could have peace with it and move on.

569
00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:22,320
But I'm a great creative person.
But as far as I can tell,

570
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:28,719
that experience was as real as and
more real in many ways than most

571
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,400
of my life, and so I
think he did come through, and I

572
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:37,199
think they do come through our dreams
because that's when it's easiest for them to

573
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,760
do that. You know, we
don't have all our distractions and noises and

574
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:45,639
internets and radios and TVs and stuff
that pull us off of you know,

575
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:51,119
off of that, that introspective openness, and so I think he came to

576
00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:55,119
me so that we could heal.
And it was beautiful and it was powerful.

577
00:40:55,639 --> 00:41:00,679
And while many people may dismiss it, it's a real experience for me

578
00:41:01,199 --> 00:41:06,000
regardless, because it did help me
to heal. It helped me to close

579
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,360
that sore, that open wound that
I was carrying, and I'm very,

580
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:15,760
very grateful for it, you know, that's first off. That's awesome.

581
00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:23,000
Yeah, absolutely awesome. And I'm
sure this is something that you know,

582
00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:28,000
you're fully aware of based on you
know, the format of your own podcast

583
00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:30,840
and your own interest in this subject
and the type of person that you are.

584
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:38,800
It's easy to sit here and have
discussions about the topics of the paranormal

585
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:46,360
and the unexplained phenomenon that goes on
and dissect what happens, and you know,

586
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:52,719
reports and encounters and all that.
But whenever you talk to the witnesses,

587
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:59,039
whenever you talk to the people that
have these things going on in their

588
00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:05,599
lives, these are experiences. Yeah, we're not talking about the topic of

589
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,199
ghosts and the paranormal. We're talking
about a person's experience, Yes, and

590
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:17,679
that makes it one hundred percent real. And that's what's to me so frustrating

591
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,920
that the scientific community and the public
at large kind of you know, looks

592
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,920
at this tongue in cheek or you
know, like, yeah, that's a

593
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:34,440
pseudoscience whatever. You know, it
doesn't make any scientific sense, and you

594
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:39,440
know that's not possible. They're ignoring
the experience factor. They're ignoring the fact

595
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:45,159
that, okay, but this is
something that someone's experiencing, so that that

596
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:49,840
perspective makes it real no matter what
it lines up with in terms of,

597
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,559
you know, adhering to our scientific
protocols and our understanding of how things work.

598
00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:00,320
Right. Yeah, it's a very
powerful thing. Right. No,

599
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,840
I agree wholeheartedly. And you know, I mean, what whatever becomes real

600
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,639
to us is our reality. And
so I mean, if I believed in

601
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:12,760
you know, there were a unicorns
dance in my backyard, there are unicorns

602
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,039
dancing in my backyard in kind of
a shortinger Cat's way, until you know,

603
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,400
somebody goes in and actively tries to
debunk that. But I mean,

604
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,400
our reality is subjective, you know, and I understand that, and I

605
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:29,400
also understand that people defend their paradigm
fiercely, like the people that are already

606
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,079
skeptical. Yeah, I mean,
I'm not even sure that there's a way

607
00:43:32,119 --> 00:43:38,599
to make them believe, you know, because they don't their world is safe,

608
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:43,079
you know, the way that they
see it, and something threatening somebody's

609
00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:47,679
worldview is incredibly you know, powerful
and could be detrimental for the people that

610
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:52,239
are you know, so tied up
in that identity. But you know,

611
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:57,239
here's the thing, And you mentioned
the word and you said pseudoscience, and

612
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,719
I'm here to tell you, like, you know, for paranorm investigating,

613
00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:04,599
for you know, probably a lot
of a lot of the techniques we use,

614
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,679
it is pseudoscience. But the problem
is that nobody in the science body

615
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:14,639
is willing to give us other science. So all we're left to do is

616
00:44:14,679 --> 00:44:19,840
to take things from other fields and
adapt them to try to provide some form

617
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,840
of evidence. It's like, you
know, if you're not going to help

618
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:27,679
us develop a real science. Then
don't bang on our pseudoscience because it's what

619
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,239
we have and we're trying to utilize
other technologies like you know, you know

620
00:44:32,039 --> 00:44:36,679
flear. I mean, it's it
was developed to you know, to look

621
00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:40,920
for heat and cold and you know, for utilitarian reasons or mechanical reasons or

622
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:45,400
military reasons. But it wasn't meant
to look for bigfoot. But it can't.

623
00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:51,679
You know, that's very very possible
that there are some I've seen some

624
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:57,440
some brilliant captures. Stacy Brown's capture
for when he was with his dad is

625
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,920
amazing and the one coming out of
Australia from the Australian nowI Research Group,

626
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,400
that was amazing. So I think
it's you know, but it was it's

627
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:13,159
adopted technologies because it's why we have
to work with you know, EMF meters

628
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:19,320
were not meant to detect disembodied presences. They are meant to detect electrical issues.

629
00:45:19,559 --> 00:45:23,039
But something's happening with these EMF meeters
when they're you know, they're they're

630
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:29,119
they're triggering off of unknown phenomena.
So we got to use what we have.

631
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,679
And so I know a lot of
people get defensive about the pseudoscience but

632
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,920
it's like, well, yeah,
it is pseudoscience, but it's because we're

633
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,480
utilizing the tools that we have available
to us. And if and if it

634
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:40,440
is, you know, if they
can do it better, they should give

635
00:45:40,519 --> 00:45:45,440
us better science. Sometimes wars are
fought by people who were never soldiers.

636
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:51,000
You know, you gotta do what
you gotta do sometimes, and that's kind

637
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:57,199
of the boat that we're all in. Right. Has there been a an

638
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:02,440
episode or a certain guest that really
got to you, like really unnerved you

639
00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:07,199
or bothered you? I mean,
there's so many. It's a that's a

640
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:14,400
tough question to feel because everybody,
like you said, everybody's experience is their

641
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:21,800
reality. And so I just have
this this profound level of feeling absolutely honored

642
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,320
that people feel compelled to reach out
to me and to share their story because

643
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,840
maybe they want to put it down
finally, maybe they want to help other

644
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,400
people, or for any number of
reasons, but they want to share what

645
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:37,320
they've seen and experienced. And I
think that anecdotal evidence is so powerful in

646
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:43,639
these fields because we're relying on a
lot of it in order to understand this

647
00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:47,280
phenomena we're dealing with, and all
the varied phenomena so um, I mean,

648
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:53,599
I've I'm honored to talk to everybody. I was really really thrilled to

649
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:58,599
have had the opportunity to sit down
with Bob Giblin and talk to him,

650
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,400
the godfather of all of this.
I mean, Bob was just the most

651
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:09,000
profoundly sincere and down to earth person
I've ever met, and I really feel

652
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,599
thrilled that we were able to have
a discussion and he was able to share

653
00:47:13,639 --> 00:47:16,079
his experiences, and you know,
I talked to him about, of course

654
00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:20,480
about Patty, but also talk to
him about the fact that he was neighbors

655
00:47:20,519 --> 00:47:25,559
with Evil Knevil. Yeah, that's
so cool, so can you imagine.

656
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,800
So we talked about that a bunch
when he appeared on my show as well.

657
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:37,960
But it's just one of those moments
to have a chance to talk to

658
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:42,400
somebody that's you know, I mean, quite honestly, Bob's older now,

659
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,239
and he's getting older all the time, and it won't be long and he

660
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,599
won't have that voice anymore. So
I'm I felt really honored to have had

661
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:53,519
an opportunity to have a discussion with
him, even though maybe he repeated a

662
00:47:53,559 --> 00:47:57,920
lot of the same things he's already
discussed a million times. Not many people

663
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,400
have talked to him about Evil Knevil. Yeah, so that was a really

664
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:07,400
cool one. But I mean,
is there anyone more than others? Not

665
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,440
really. I think everybody that I
talked to, I just again, I

666
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,800
might be being redundant, but I
couldn't be more sincere that everybody's experience is

667
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:21,000
incredible. And I think a lot
of people have this real Hollywood idea of

668
00:48:21,039 --> 00:48:22,639
all of this stuff, like,
well, if you don't have books flying

669
00:48:22,639 --> 00:48:27,920
around your room, indoors slamming,
then you know it's nothing big. Well,

670
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,119
good god, If your cereal bowl
moves eight inches, that's huge.

671
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,039
You know, if your facet turns
on and while you're in the shower,

672
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:40,800
that's a big deal folks, especially
when you're naked. But anyway, but

673
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:45,639
it is, it doesn't We don't
need to have Poltergeist level phenomena for it

674
00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:49,760
to be incredible. I mean,
it's little things, you know, like

675
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:54,639
I got you know, I love
the stories that are like there's a long

676
00:48:54,679 --> 00:48:59,519
time ago I covered a story like
this where somebody always put their keys in

677
00:48:59,559 --> 00:49:01,480
the same place, always put their
keys in the same place. They had

678
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:06,280
some activity around their house, but
they were going to leave to go to

679
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,199
work. One day, they went
to grab the keys, and I think

680
00:49:08,199 --> 00:49:10,360
it was in a bowl right next
to the door, you know, on

681
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:15,719
like a chest of some sort or
stand. And they reaching the bowl and

682
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,039
the keys are not there, and
so they're like frantic, they're late for

683
00:49:19,079 --> 00:49:22,239
work. They're running around, tossing
the whole apartment, looking around, looking

684
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,119
around, looking around, and then
that these keys are not to be found.

685
00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:29,400
And then about after about fifteen minutes
of frantic searching, looking, they're

686
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:35,079
in the bowl by the by the
by the door. Oh well, that's

687
00:49:35,079 --> 00:49:38,000
really weird, but god, I'm
late. I got to get to work.

688
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,079
Well, they go to work.
On the way to work, they

689
00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:45,599
find out that the path they drove, if they had been on time,

690
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,280
they would have been in a fatal
car accident. Wow. Oh, something

691
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:55,199
incredibly profound stepped in. Is that
divine divine intervention? Because it's you know,

692
00:49:55,239 --> 00:50:00,679
it seemed like a nuisance kind of
activity, but it very well might

693
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:04,880
have saved their lives, you know. So it's something little like that can

694
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,719
have these profound impacts. So I
want to get back to Bigfoot for a

695
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:16,159
second. Sure you've talked to a
lot of Bigfoot witnesses, you are an

696
00:50:16,159 --> 00:50:21,159
active person in the bigfoot world.
You know what's going on and what's happened.

697
00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:24,079
I mean, you've interviewed Bob Gimblin
about Evil Kinevil. How more can

698
00:50:24,119 --> 00:50:32,519
you go into the subject. So
you're aware as much as I am that

699
00:50:32,519 --> 00:50:38,199
there's many different schools of thought whenever
it comes to bigfoot. Yeah, what

700
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:47,360
is your perspective on the flesh and
blood versus the paranormal bigfoot paradox? You

701
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,599
know, this is a tough one, and it's one honestly, and to

702
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:58,360
be absolutely sincere, I have hard
time with wrapping my head around it.

703
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,880
And it's not me saying I don't
believe that's possible that a big foot could

704
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:06,639
just be portaling in or out or
disappearing or you know, doing all these

705
00:51:06,679 --> 00:51:12,440
incredible supernatural feats. But it's just
we all have our paradigm, we all

706
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:19,320
have the limits of what we're capable
of thinking around. And it's not me

707
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,000
saying no, that's not possible.
I don't believe that. It's just me

708
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:27,800
going I don't understand that. And
maybe maybe that's my own personal hang up

709
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,679
because I do tend to be logical
about it. But it's it's just a

710
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:37,960
fantastical idea to me. And if
they are doing that, then what does

711
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:39,880
that mean? How do they do
it? Is it possible we could learn

712
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,719
it? Is it, you know? Is it a technology of some kind

713
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,760
that we don't understand, or is
it? Is it just that they are

714
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:52,480
these transdimensional beings? Are they from
the stars? Are they just a rella

715
00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:57,159
commented that's wandering around? And I
tend you know, here's the thing.

716
00:51:57,159 --> 00:52:04,239
I I do believe that they're flush
and blood because they leave footprints and that

717
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:09,360
requires a mass. They are observed
eating many many people have had sightings watching

718
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:15,480
them eat or seeing them eat things. They physically interact with the world around

719
00:52:15,519 --> 00:52:17,840
them, so I mean, they
do have a physical presence. So it's

720
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,239
not I don't think a big leap
of faith to say, hey, look

721
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:28,239
they're felesh and blood. Now do
I disbelieve people's stories? Know, but

722
00:52:28,519 --> 00:52:31,360
I don't understand, you know,
I'd say, again, it's my own

723
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:36,760
paradigm. So I talk it up
to I don't know what this thing is.

724
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:38,760
I mean, I know that I
believe that it's flesh and blood.

725
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:43,840
I can answer that, I think
conclusively or pretty much, I mean without

726
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,599
having shook hands with one. But
because we can see evidence of them being

727
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:52,159
physically present, are they always though? I don't know. I mean,

728
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:57,800
that's where I get stuck. And
so, you know, I've interviewed to

729
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,840
people that have seen these things right
in front of their eyes, and I

730
00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:04,039
believe them. I really do.
It's just that I don't know how to

731
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:07,880
process that. So that's my own
shortcoming, I think more than anything,

732
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:14,199
because you know, I just have
to have a basic rudimentary understanding of it.

733
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:15,920
Then with all that, it's just
like, well, like, you

734
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,800
know, what does that mean?
I don't know. So does that make

735
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,880
sense? No? No, No, I'm on the same page. It's

736
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:29,760
a lot. I've definitely talked to
enough people, you know, I'll go

737
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:35,760
back to the experience thing. I've
talked to enough people that have experienced paranormal

738
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,840
Bigfoot events, supernatural bigfoot events,
whatever you want to call it, right,

739
00:53:39,199 --> 00:53:44,679
and I believe them. I believe
that, you know, they experience

740
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:49,199
what they experience. But it is
certainly something that I'm not able to wrap

741
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,079
my head around. Now. Yeah, the one stipulation of that being,

742
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:59,920
I do have a very strong opinion
at this point, which could change tomorrow,

743
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:07,840
that Bigfoot is closer to human than
it is to animal, as we

744
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:12,480
understand the difference between humans and animals. Sure, I believe Bigfoot is a

745
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:17,800
type of person to a certain extent. I have seen enough evidence of that.

746
00:54:19,119 --> 00:54:22,239
Yeah, at least That's where I'm
leaning at this point. So with

747
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:27,519
that being said, I think it
might be possible. And shout out to

748
00:54:27,639 --> 00:54:30,679
DJ, who I'm sure we'll listen
to this episode. This is one of

749
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:36,039
his favorite topics, So I'll ask
this on his behalf, the possibility of

750
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:42,119
these paranormal Bigfoot events being explained away
as perhaps they are Bigfoot ghosts. You

751
00:54:42,159 --> 00:54:45,360
know, I've heard that before.
I've heard that suggested before, and and

752
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,000
I don't see why not if you
know, I mean, there are reports

753
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:54,840
of ghost pets, often people seeing
spectral animals in the woods. I've got

754
00:54:55,039 --> 00:55:00,119
trail camp pictures that were sent to
me by my own cousin in Tennessee of

755
00:55:00,159 --> 00:55:04,119
a spectral dog that he caught,
and and it's you know, it's very

756
00:55:04,119 --> 00:55:08,280
translucent, it's very whispy, but
it's very clearly a keynine. So why

757
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:13,079
couldn't it be possible then that's Bigfoot. When they you know, die away

758
00:55:13,199 --> 00:55:16,079
or you know, leave their body, they could linger and that doesn't make

759
00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:20,880
sense to me, you know,
I mean it kind of you know,

760
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,960
fits the mold, so to speak. Yeah, well, yeah, I

761
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:29,159
mean several of the precedents of that
out there. You're not only human,

762
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,519
but other you know, creatures of
this world. So yeah, I think

763
00:55:32,519 --> 00:55:37,960
it's that's a great a great take, a great possibility, or or it

764
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:42,280
could even be some other form of
spiritual mimicry. We cover doppelgangers a lot

765
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,559
on the on the show, well
not a lot, but from time to

766
00:55:44,599 --> 00:55:49,679
time where people see a doppelganger of
either themselves or someone else that's in you

767
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,440
know, in their family or someone
real close to them, and then we'll

768
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,519
see the real person several you know, feet or distance away that they couldn't

769
00:55:55,519 --> 00:55:59,880
possibly have gotten to. Um.
So, I mean, there's there's no

770
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:04,599
seem to be the precedent for spiritual
entities. And I don't think that they

771
00:56:04,599 --> 00:56:07,400
were human necessarily. There's a bunch
of things out there that weren't human that

772
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:12,320
we understand as spiritual. Um in
my opinion, and in you know,

773
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,880
several other opinions that I'm aware of. But so is there something that could

774
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:21,039
be mimicking that? Yeah? Um, remember again, and it's kind of

775
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,840
a silly reference, and I don't
mean to be childish about it. But

776
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,679
remember in the in the Harry Potter
movies when they I don't know if you

777
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:36,000
watch them, I'm familiar with.
Right, So they got the ball guards.

778
00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:38,639
That's in that cabinet and then they
open it and for each person that

779
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,639
assumes a different form. Yeah,
well, I think you know. I

780
00:56:42,639 --> 00:56:46,480
mean, there are there are beliefs
and legends from you know, a lot

781
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:51,159
of cultures around the world of their
being spiritual beings that do just that.

782
00:56:51,639 --> 00:56:54,880
So there was there was a historical
precedent, or at least legendary or folklorish

783
00:56:54,920 --> 00:57:00,559
precedent for the ball guards. Um
so is that that's possibly something like that?

784
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:06,840
And it could be that's interesting for
sure. I hadn't even thought about

785
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:12,440
that angle, right, Yeah,
just tell my head work. Are you

786
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:17,320
following the UAP disclosure stuff? You
know, I just got done traveling when

787
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:21,199
all of this was going on.
I just got home yesterday and I've been

788
00:57:21,239 --> 00:57:24,360
hitting the ground running. But I
fully intent on sitting down and watching a

789
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:29,880
bit of it, maybe even later
tonight, but at least in the very

790
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:34,360
near future before my YouTube show on
Wednesday, because I'd like to have a

791
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,800
knowledge of it. It's kind of
a hot topic now. Yeah, so

792
00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:45,519
let's just pretend, let's fast forward
that it comes out full disclosure. The

793
00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:50,199
government's like, yep, they're real, you know here they are blah blah

794
00:57:50,239 --> 00:57:55,159
blah. What do you think happens? Then? You know, as far

795
00:57:55,199 --> 00:58:00,199
as for me personally, nothing I've
I've seen UFOs. I saw a very

796
00:58:00,239 --> 00:58:06,920
clear present UFO that was not real
far from me a few years back,

797
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,719
about eight years back, no,
probably about ten years back now. But

798
00:58:10,519 --> 00:58:14,840
for the world at large, I
don't think it's going to have their shattering

799
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,719
consequences that everybody thinks, because I
think more people are open to the idea

800
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:22,119
than that. I mean, even
when the Navy released or well whether they

801
00:58:22,119 --> 00:58:24,960
were kind of forced to release it
because I think it leaked first, but

802
00:58:25,079 --> 00:58:30,079
all those tic tac craft, those
things leaked. There wasn't panics or riots

803
00:58:30,159 --> 00:58:31,800
or anything. There were people like
huh about that. You know, it

804
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:36,679
was like Tuesday. Yeah, it
wasn't the end of the world day.

805
00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:37,559
It was just like a Tuesday or
something, you know. I mean,

806
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:42,320
people, people are I think way
more open than they're giving credit for.

807
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,239
And I think people can handle a
lot more than they're giving credit for.

808
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:50,079
I think that, you know,
put the truth out there. You know,

809
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,400
my god, how long ago was
it that bigfoot was a whispered topic,

810
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:59,920
barely discussed, And now everywhere there's
conferences and people out there. Look

811
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:05,000
and you know, I mean,
we handle things just fine. So but

812
00:59:05,039 --> 00:59:07,920
yeah, I've seen him. I'm
already I was already in nohere. If

813
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:12,760
it happens with Bigfoot sometime in the
future where we have bigfoot disclosure, do

814
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,880
you think that changes anything? Do
you think people quit going on into the

815
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,280
woods. Do you think people go
out in the woods trying to shoot one?

816
00:59:19,679 --> 00:59:22,199
Do you think it would have an
impact? It'll be the end of

817
00:59:22,239 --> 00:59:27,159
that species, in my opinion,
it will be the end of whatever remains

818
00:59:27,199 --> 00:59:32,639
of them, because it will become
the next big craze. Well, they

819
00:59:32,639 --> 00:59:36,000
saw a big foot there, and
now they're out there, let's get in

820
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,280
the truck and go. And so
you're gonna have this influx of people suddenly

821
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:43,400
going into the forest in places they've
never gone. And I don't know how

822
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:51,119
much territory they need, but I
know that they've been progressively encroached upon for

823
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:57,920
hundreds of years and I don't think
that's there's many options left to them.

824
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,639
I mean, there's there's still big
stands of wild areas in our in our

825
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:06,320
nation and in the nations between US
and Canada and stuff, and probably around

826
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,440
the world. But the point is
is that I think it's we have a

827
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:14,719
tendency to destroy what we love.
And you know, somehow they will murder

828
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:19,639
a black market where a bigfoot testicle
will cure cancer or something, and you

829
01:00:19,679 --> 01:00:22,559
know there'll be that. Then there
will be those that want to put them

830
01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:24,519
in zoos, and my god,
I don't think I could think of a

831
01:00:24,599 --> 01:00:29,800
more tragic site than that. But
whatever these guys are, it's kind of

832
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:34,039
like the Jurassic Park line. They've
chosen our absence, and I think we

833
01:00:34,119 --> 01:00:37,320
should we should honor that. But
you know that if it becomes proved and

834
01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:42,840
it's a foregone conclusion, that people
will head out into the wild places and

835
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:47,079
they'll be harassing the hell out of
them, and probably they're they're probably in

836
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:52,719
a pretty fragile state anyway, just
because of the encroachment and the expansion of

837
01:00:52,719 --> 01:00:58,519
our civilizations, and I think it
may very well push push them over the

838
01:00:58,599 --> 01:01:01,920
edge, and they'll become a memory. Yeah. I think that's probably my

839
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:07,360
biggest problem with disclosure of these type
subjects in general, whether it be you

840
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:15,239
know, UFO, slash UAPs or
Bigfoot at some point, not necessarily the

841
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:19,159
acknowledgement that those things are real,
because like you said, there's plenty of

842
01:01:19,199 --> 01:01:23,239
us out there that know they're real
already, but the human factor of you

843
01:01:23,239 --> 01:01:29,199
know, the the chaos that will
ensue from people disagreeing and trying to figure

844
01:01:29,199 --> 01:01:31,280
out what to do about it.
You know, well, how does that

845
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:35,559
affect us? What should we do? And uh, you know, I

846
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:40,400
do see like political divisions being drawn. You know, your different camps.

847
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:44,559
Put them in a zoo or an
animal, shoot them, eradicate them.

848
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,039
You know, it's it's not safe
to go out into the woods anymore.

849
01:01:47,159 --> 01:01:52,119
And then you've got your people who
will want to protect them, which you

850
01:01:52,159 --> 01:01:55,000
know, that's been one of my
hang ups for a long time actually,

851
01:01:55,079 --> 01:02:01,119
is certain individuals claiming to have these
intimate relationships and knowledge of these creatures.

852
01:02:01,159 --> 01:02:09,360
And you know, the people who
claim to have you know, habituation happening

853
01:02:09,559 --> 01:02:15,519
at their homes and this intimate knowledge
and wisdom about these creatures and they talk

854
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:20,880
to them and everything else and I'm
just like, if you really had their

855
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,559
best interest at heart, you wouldn't
even tell anybody that you knew anything about

856
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:27,760
them. Why are you coming on
the internet and telling people all this stuff

857
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:31,320
if you like, I wouldn't tell
anybody. I don't even know what bigfoot

858
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:36,440
is. That's ridiculous. No,
they don't exist. Yeah, No,

859
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,639
I'm with you, because bringing more
attention to it is not going to be

860
01:02:38,679 --> 01:02:43,239
helpful to them in any manner.
I mean, you know, there's the

861
01:02:43,239 --> 01:02:45,480
there's the double edged sort of it. Do people have a right to know

862
01:02:45,519 --> 01:02:51,679
they're out there? Sure? I
guess maybe there's that, But I think

863
01:02:51,719 --> 01:02:54,599
that if anything, all the all
of the reports that we've got, and

864
01:02:54,719 --> 01:03:00,280
you know, you've gotten more,
probably you've been exposed to more than more

865
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:04,440
than most. And generally their reports
are real peaceful. They're just like,

866
01:03:04,519 --> 01:03:07,199
oh there's a personal here, I'm
I'm moving out of here, you know.

867
01:03:07,239 --> 01:03:09,920
I mean, they just they just
leave, They just avoid unless you

868
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:15,000
know, of course, there's the
stories of people being harassed in a campsite,

869
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:19,800
but there again, this is this
is their homes. We're moving our

870
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,960
little tents and little tent communities out, maybe into their living room, maybe

871
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:28,400
it's you know, right by the
perfect view, by the little stream next

872
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,079
to the you know, the forested
area. Well that might be where they

873
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:35,320
you know, get their fish or
whatever. You know. These are perhaps

874
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,360
habits and traits that have been handed
down over thousands of years, you know,

875
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:43,920
and then incomes the you know,
the campers and stuff. So yeah,

876
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:49,519
they might get harassed a little bit, but generally speaking, most most

877
01:03:49,519 --> 01:03:53,559
of these encounters are very peaceful.
And these beings are so strong and so

878
01:03:53,639 --> 01:04:00,480
capable that they if they were malicious, you'd be dead before you even knew

879
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,119
who they were there, you know, they are so capable. Yeah,

880
01:04:05,639 --> 01:04:09,840
if that was a big foot you
heard that day when you were fourteen years

881
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:14,440
old, if it wanted you,
I mean you guys, wouldn't have made

882
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,760
it out of the woods. You
wouldn't would do it. Yeah, I

883
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,400
wouldn't even have heard of growl.
It would have just been you know,

884
01:04:19,599 --> 01:04:23,880
lights out. Yeah, I mean, because somehow it got all the way

885
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:27,960
behind me, you know, and
if fairly not not completely open, it

886
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,599
was still a forested area, but
it wasn't like you know, tough,

887
01:04:30,719 --> 01:04:33,119
tight knit you know, groupings of
trees and bushes. It was you know,

888
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,400
like a nice mature for us canopy, you know where you got room,

889
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:41,039
But somehow it ended up right behind
us and way bigger than us,

890
01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:44,800
And I didn't hear a sound until
that growl kicked in. It was like,

891
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,519
oh god, you know so,
I mean it was There's no question

892
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,840
if they wanted people dead, there'd
be a whole lot more missing. For

893
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:56,280
one one going on, I've got
one more thing I wanted to ask you

894
01:04:56,360 --> 01:05:00,239
while I had you on here.
Sure, did you do a recent spirit

895
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:05,320
box session in your studio? I
did. I've been doing that every well,

896
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:09,760
last several Saturday nights that I've done
live shows, I've been doing it

897
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:14,079
right here in the studio. Have
you gotten anything? Yeah, dude,

898
01:05:15,159 --> 01:05:18,199
one of the first times that I
set up the It's based on the Huff

899
01:05:18,199 --> 01:05:23,280
portal, but which would take a
big explanation to kind of get into it.

900
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:28,440
But it's basically instrumental transcommunication, which
is the idea that we use objects,

901
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:32,480
mechanical objects to hopefully interact with spirits, and this one is supposedly they

902
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:38,800
are able to supposedly manipulate the sound
in order to make words. So I

903
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,320
literally said, okay, guys,
we're going to get to the live investigation

904
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,920
though, and I turned on the
device and I said, I said,

905
01:05:45,519 --> 01:05:47,639
all right, is there any spirits
I want to communicate with us? And

906
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:53,400
right away a voice came through and
said, yeah, I do. Wow,

907
01:05:53,679 --> 01:05:59,000
just now, this was using a
sound database of fractions of words like

908
01:05:59,079 --> 01:06:02,519
they're justllibles. Yeah, but it
was like, I do the same voice

909
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,559
through the whole thing, which I
mean. I talked to the guy that

910
01:06:05,599 --> 01:06:09,239
gave me the set up and he
said, that's not that's not possible.

911
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,440
That's definitely paranormal. They can't do
that. I was like, yeah,

912
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,039
I thought that was really weird too, And then I set up a flashlight

913
01:06:15,079 --> 01:06:18,800
test. It's where you have these
twist off twist on little mag lights and

914
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:25,360
stuff, and basically a position it
so it's just a hair off but almost

915
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:28,840
on, and then you set it
down. Now, those can be really

916
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,519
interesting, but you know, there's
some cautionary parts of it too, and

917
01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:36,800
one of them is that look,
atmospherically, things can change and make it

918
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:42,400
go on and off. But right
if you can tie the correlation of events

919
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:47,159
to questions or interactions with that you've
requested, then it becomes a little more

920
01:06:47,199 --> 01:06:53,000
mathematically difficult to disprove because you know, I was consistently getting well, you

921
01:06:53,079 --> 01:06:56,280
know, the light coming on for
yes, and you know, then asking

922
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,440
them to shut it off and boom
they would shut it off, and it

923
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,519
was really really really cool. Then
I got these these stupid little cat balls

924
01:07:02,559 --> 01:07:06,000
off of Amazon, and there are
little cat toys that when that cat like

925
01:07:06,119 --> 01:07:10,920
moves it, it will flash these
little led lights. But they it turns

926
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,519
out people are using them for investigating
and and I've had some great you know

927
01:07:14,599 --> 01:07:16,559
indicators off of that. Now,
can I prove there's ghosts here? No,

928
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:23,400
But having several different modalities out and
several of them being triggered, I

929
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:30,000
think to me is reinforces the possibility
that there is something here that was communicating

930
01:07:30,039 --> 01:07:31,920
with me. So yeah, true
story. Wow man, I'm gonna have

931
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,519
to check that out. Where can
people find you? Now? Where do

932
01:07:35,519 --> 01:07:40,400
you want to send them? Everywhere? YouTube? iTunes? What do you

933
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:45,440
got for me? All right?
So the podcast is the biggest platform by

934
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,679
far for the paranormal portal. I'm
working on the YouTube, but I have

935
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,800
been for longer than the podcast,
but some reason, YouTube is a tough

936
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:56,280
egg to crack. But the podcast
is available everywhere cast Box, Stitcher,

937
01:07:56,360 --> 01:08:00,679
iTunes, Pandora, Google Play,
iHeartRadio, any any of those platforms.

938
01:08:00,719 --> 01:08:04,920
Spotify of course is a big one, so you can look for Paranormal Portal

939
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:09,599
out there. We're in our fifth
season now, and I don't like a

940
01:08:09,679 --> 01:08:12,039
lot of shows out there. I'm
just gonna, you know, flex a

941
01:08:12,039 --> 01:08:15,920
little bit here. Flex away,
man, flex away, all right.

942
01:08:15,319 --> 01:08:19,119
When I do a season the shows, it's fifty two or better episodes.

943
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:26,279
So I'm on my fifth season of
shows now, just finished episode five and

944
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:31,159
of season five that's posted now.
But you can find all those out or

945
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:38,399
you can go over to YouTube YouTube
dot com slash Paranormal Portal and you'll end

946
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:42,640
up on our YouTube page and there's
over I think there's about one thousand,

947
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:45,840
two hundred YouTube videos over there.
Now. Wow. Yeah, I know

948
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:49,920
I was doing I was literally doing
ten shows a week for a number of

949
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:55,239
years. So he's putting in work, man, dude, I'm telling you.

950
01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:59,119
I was doing three podcasts a week
and seven live shows a week on

951
01:08:59,159 --> 01:09:03,000
YouTube, So I was working hard. But you know, it's it's gotten

952
01:09:03,039 --> 01:09:06,479
me some recognition, so it was
worth the effort. But it did take

953
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:11,520
a lot of investment. And you
can also go to Paranormal portal dot net

954
01:09:12,079 --> 01:09:15,840
and find our homepage and that'll link
you to everything, so all of the

955
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:17,640
social media and stuff. If you
want to catch up with me on social

956
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:21,720
media, if you want to email
me Paranormal Portal Radio at gmail dot com.

957
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:26,359
I love to hear from you as
well. So that's everything I think,

958
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:30,279
Brent Man, thank you, Thank
you, sir for joining me.

959
01:09:30,359 --> 01:09:33,000
It's been a blast. Yeah,
it's really good to talk to you,

960
01:09:33,039 --> 01:09:36,399
brother, And likewise you're gonna have
to come on the portal and we're gonna

961
01:09:36,399 --> 01:09:41,560
have to show the audience mister Matt
Napp. Yeah, fairest fair man.

962
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,640
I've got some stories for you.
Excited to have you on, brother,

963
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:47,119
for sure. But thank you man, I appreciate it. And if you've

964
01:09:47,119 --> 01:09:53,319
experienced something you can't explain, send
me an email at bigfootcrossroadt gmail dot com.

965
01:09:53,399 --> 01:09:57,199
Check out Bigfootcrossroads dot com for links
to the social media, contact form

966
01:09:57,239 --> 01:10:00,279
to reach me directly, links to
the merch everything you all in one place.

967
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:04,800
And until next time, I remember
there's something in the woods.