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Jim, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.

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Hello. Have a very hard question
that I'm having a hard time getting

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answer out of some of my Christian
brothers. I got out of public school

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teaching because of the hypocrisy and the
troubles within the public school. And I

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know that's probably selfish, but seventeen
years I've had enough of the craziness.

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But now I'm started three landscape business
in South Texas. I've discovered you cannot

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run one of these businesses without using
cheap labor. And my question is someone

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who's redeemed, saved, born again, the question would be why do people

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use the legal labor. I think
it's because it's cheaper, sure, and

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with someone who has saved use it
for that reason. In our church was

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built partially by illegal labor, and
I know it's because we could get it

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done cheaper. So that's the question, is that right? I understand taking

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care of my brothers. If I
was from Mexico, I'd bring my family

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away or two. No problem.
I understand that. Sure. The American

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citizens that are now I understand why
you left flavory in the Bible because it

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makes more sense to me. Now, there are major problems with using illegal

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labor knowingly. Now in the State
of Affairs and the United States currently,

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it can be very difficult to every
single time try to vet a company in

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your hopes or that they're vetting them
and so on. But knowingly, So

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let's go with the knowing part.
Knowingly using illegal labor is wrong for a

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Christian. Absolutely, Scripturally you deal
with the laws of man. It says

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that you're to follow the laws of
man. And if the law law says

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that there, they are in a
state of a legality, and that's not

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a pejorative, that is the actual
legal term is that they are legal aliens.

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If they are legal aliens not here
properly with the proper paperwork and all

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of that, then you are are
trying to buck the system, and in

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doing that, you're you're breaking the
law. And if you're breaking the law,

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that's ungodly. For one. For
two, um, the process of

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using illegal labors is taking advantage of
their situation. UM. And it's not

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about them learning, Like let's say
a younger person or someone new to a

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company. UM, they're in the
process of learning, so you may give

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them less money as they climb up
the ladder. But this is different.

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Oftentimes it's seen as as an opportunity
to exploit these these workers because their league

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and they can't tell or they can't
defend themselves, which is equally as ugly.

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So both those things would be a
problem scripturally. And if your church

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was using legal labor that they knew
was not in the United States legally,

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shame on them. That doesn't bring
glory to God. So there's going to

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be times where you can't know.
There's been times where I've seen people that

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have met with, you know,
a company, have seen all their paperwork

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and made agreements, and then when
the work starts, it seems that there's

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a whole new set of people that
are doing the work. It gets very

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difficult to start trying to vet all
of those things specifically, but it can

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be done to a certain degree,
and you should do it within the best

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of your ability to make sure it's
on the up and up, because all

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that happens is you've got these keyotes
that are are bringing people to across the

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border that are using them for slave
labor. You've got them gouging them for

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money, You've got them turning some
of the people into prostitutes. You've got

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ugly things going on because now the
people have become a commodity, and coming

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to the United States has become a
commodity, and it creates a bunch of

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ugliness. So that supply and demand
is part of the problem and becomes ugliness.

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And at the core of it,
human beings are treated like cattle.

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And so that has to be above
all, above border issues, above any

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of those things, and the here
legally, illegally, and all those arguments

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going on. Above all, humanity
is involved. Human beings are involved and

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are being not seen as human beings. They're being seen as day laborers.

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And that's a problem as well,
so on both ends. Just because somebody's

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doing something that is illegal on the
books, coming to the country of the

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United States doesn't mean that somebody who
is a citizen of the United States is

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right for exploiting that. I don't
think that that would be I don't think

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that that would be a healthy way
for a Christian to express their faith.

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I know it's very difficult out there, and I know that a lot of

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general contractors and contractors of every ilk
and have issues with this, and it

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becomes a problem. But if you
want something done right, and you want

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a process to be a righteous process, then you've got to partake in it

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as well. You know, you
don't you every time somebody speeds past you

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on the freeways and you look at
them and go, oh, what a

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jerk. Yet when you speed,
oh, it's because while I really need

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to get somewhere, and I was
running a little late, and it's very

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important. And there's all kinds of
excuses and reasons. You can't look at

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life that way. You can't look
at the world that it's you know,

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everything you do is okay, but
it's not okay when other people do it,

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and there's within reason. You know, there's going to be at times

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or opportunities where you don't know and
it's inappropriate to ask, you know,

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a neighbor or something like that might
you might feel inappropriate, but if there's

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a way, an honest way to
check, you should, just like you

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would the license number of somebody who's
of a contractor who says they're going to

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be working on something, you want
to know. You want to make sure

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that they're licensed. You would know
more, walk into a situation with a

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company and pretend like you had a
license because it's too expensive to take the

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test, or it's too expensive to
get licensed every year or every two years,

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you know, and times are tough
right now and I can't renew that

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or whatever it might be. I
don't think that that's a legitimate reason for

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Christian to do anything. And abiding
by the law is important for the believer.

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People are watching you if you claim
to be Christian, people are watching

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you differently. Now some people may
be obnoxious about it, and they may

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try and nitpick you. And if
that's the case, you know what,

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move on, don't bother listening to
them. But within those reasons and your

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ability to continue to hone who you
are. No Christians often say I'm a

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work in progress. Of course you
are. But through that process you should

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be doing things that benefit you and
everyone else and that are productive and that

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are honest. You know. This
lies back to many different scriptures, including

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Proverbs, where it says that God
hates a false weight, and that dealt

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with the merchants, the merchants that
would load rocks in the scales or modify

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the scales so that you were you
thought you were getting more, therefore you

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paid more, but they weren't.
How is that any different because very rarely,

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um, does that get passed passed
along to the client. And so

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you got to keep those things in
mind. How you're making the money and

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at what cost. You don't want
to do participate in anything illegal because then

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it's for not doesn't glorify God.
So your only reward is that money at

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the end of the day. Jake, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.

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Hi have a two part questions for
you here, sort of a response to

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Tom Okay, who had called earlier
in regards to forfeiting his pastoral stance by

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having an affair. Right, Okay, Um, what qualify as a person

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to be a pastor? And how
does one know when they are called?

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Well, I think you have,
you know, an urgency in your heart

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and in your spirit to do the
things of God first and foremost. They

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say that that man is ordained by
God and that's recognized by man. So

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it's not the other way around where
people feel like, well, like a

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church has to say, Okay,
you're led to do this, not the

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truth if you feel moved to preach
or to teach in that context, The

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first you'd imagine the first start would
be of that particular path would be to

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study, to go to school,
to you know, audit classes, do

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it on your own, whatever it
is, but to study and to show

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yourself approved in the knowledge first.
The same way if you said, you

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know what, I really want to
be a carpenter, well, first learn

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how to be a carpenter and study
that. The reason I called um to

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get your opinion on it is because
I'm very very conflicted about this. Why

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so, well, um, how
to put it? Let's see, I

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grew up in church in a fundamental
you know, literal interpretation, not legalistic,

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but fundamentalist church, and so I
believe the Bible as it is written.

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And I also believe that being behind
the pulpit is Yes, it is

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a high calling, and it's an
honor and a privilege and also carries with

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it a great responsibility. As you
were saying, you have to be beyond

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reproach. Absolutely, So what's your
concern? I am not beyond reproach.

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I mean, you know, I'm
not. I'm married, you know,

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But as far as have you had
an affair? Yeah, okay, Well

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it's not it's their specifics that it's
talking about, and that it's not just

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about to be a beyond reproach doesn't
mean stop being a human being being something

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superhuman. That wasn't my point with
Tom either. My point was that Tom

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specifically, well he was a pastor, had an affair on his wife,

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and you don't get to be a
pastor anymore. But if you are saying

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that there are things that you need
to work out in your life, will

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work them out, you know,
make them, work through them, and

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and make yourself a whole as you
stand before God. But it doesn't mean

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that everything you preach you're going to
be excellent at. You're just you're not.

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You're dealing with a perfection in the
Word of God. There was a

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specific situation though, about being the
husband of one wife and above reproach means

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in reason and understandable reason in your
life, and if you can't do that

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then then no, it's probably not
the best thing for you. Um being

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called to ministry, there's a lot
of people that are called to ministry and

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you hear all kinds of different stories. Oh, I had this this moment

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and it's like, well, how
do you how I read these signs that

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in my life? What do they
mean? Where does God want me,

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what would he have me do well. Scripture is very specific about being called

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to that particular part as overseer.
It says, an overseer then must be

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above reproach, the husband of one
wife, temperate, prudent, respectable,

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hospitable, able to teach, not
addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle,

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uncontentious, free from the love of
money. He must be one who

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manages his own household well, keeping
his children under control, with all dignity.

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But all of these things point to
a part of that calling. And

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I know sometimes there's a certain glittery
appeal to being in these positions of power.

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And sometimes people go, gosh,
I want to be this, or

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I want to be an actor,
I want to be a writer, I

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want to be there, whatever it
might be. Sometimes if there's a position

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of authority, it becomes it has
a sex appeal to it, where where

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you're engaged by it just because of
the position, and you have to kind

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of check that and vet that and
make sure that that's not part of the

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equation. Well, I speak well, and I talk very good, and

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I do this, and I do
all these things, and that may not

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matter to God. There's been times
where there are people that did not speak

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well in scripture, and you know, Moses kept trying to push that off

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and say, you know what,
you may be my brother because I don't

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speak so good and really don't have
a way with people. And it's like

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no, I say you. So
it's not about that, not just about

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those things. It's about finding something
that you're so compelled to do that it

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presses you to want to be better
as a human being, and that that

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plays a part at it. They're
just you meet people that are different,

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They just don't have those desires and
check themselves a little differently than you do,

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and them being in a place of
leadership makes the most sense. You

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don't want to put yourself in a
position that you can't handle because it will

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end up swallowing you and taking down
the faith with it, and that's not

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what I want. Gracie. Welcome
to the Jesus Christ Show. Yes,

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how are you doing good? How
can I help you? Gracie, Well,

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I wanted to ask a question that
depends something about marriage. Okay,

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because I have a stepfather that's sixty
five years old. Okay, turned down

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your radio in the back there,
Racy, will you turn down the radio

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in the back there, dear,
Okay, I'm sure you've never heard anybody

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on the radio tell you that before, but I appreciate now, thank you.

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Okay. Well, he's sixty five
three, okay. Back in the

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eighties, by seventy nine till ninety
nine, he was with my mother HM

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and he wasn't married to her or
anything, but he was living with her.

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He took care of her toy,
lived together for twenty five years,

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I guess, and she passed away. So I haven't seen him for about

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five or six years until he decided
to come back. He was living with

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my brother before. But now he's
telling me that he's interested in me and

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he wants to make a life with
me. But I don't think it's so.

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I don't feel triple. She is
my mother, She was my best

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friendship, my love. She was
everything to me. You know. That's

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that's it. You don't feel comfortable
with that, That's that's the biggest response

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you have to that. Yes,
And I don't feel like it's right because

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I'm a Catholic. Well, I'm
a spiritual Catholic, and I believe that

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if her spirit is floating around and
she's with heaven, she watches everything and

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everything that we do is say,
you know, I just don't feel like,

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what does what does spiritual Catholic mean? Um? That her angel is

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watching over us and looking over us. And I feel that if I do

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something like that to my own mother, that would make mean she will punish

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her. But I feel like I
would be punished for doing something like that.

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First of all, Um, but
Catholics don't teach that people become angels.

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But having said that, let's let's
look at the response. You're you

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should be more flipped out about this
than you are. Thanks You're going on

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doesn't sit right with me, and
I feel like it might be punished.

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Are the all the wrong answers?
And uh, you should be disgusted by

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this on its face and and and
you actually told enough about the the circumstances

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leading up to this that shows you
the type of man this is and what

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your what your mom brought into her
home and into your life. Uh,

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this was a man who was non
committal to begin with, who didn't want

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to commit and merely lived with your
mom um and then you know, lived

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with your brother and now sniffing around
your your part of town, seeing if

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you're interested not a good person.
Oh okay, I'm sorry to be the

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one to have to tell you that, but that's what I wanted to hear.

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I wanted to hear this. But
you should just be disgusted by it.

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We covered that if if I do
something like that, that would be

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my disgusted seeing that I would have
insite me because it's disgusting. Now,

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it doesn't mean there haven't been circumstances
that happen in life that socially somebody might

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say is, oh, this is
you know, unacceptable, but biblically,

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there's not a problem with it.
What I'm saying is that your particular,

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your particular specific context that you told
me about. UM, I'm not sure

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why you're not more flipped out about
it. I am more concerned, But

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then I am I feel sorry for
him, But then I don't feel like

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I should do anything like that with
him. You should run, not walk,

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to the nearest exit. You shouldn't
have this man in your life at

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all, and tell him that that
he's made you feel uncomfortable if that is

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the case, and that that you
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Leave it at that, Okay,
okay and say good night, Gracie,

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good night, all right, and
that the important thing there is to

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have the ability the discern meant to
see when people are using you or being

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predatory. Now, I this man
hasn't called in, so he's not here

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to defend himself. We're going strictly
on the story, but on the story

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as it stands. Um. I
know that people fall in love with one

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another for different reasons. But in
this case, it's obvious that you can

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look around and say, um,
here is somebody who was with your mother

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for a long period time, didn't
even marry her, and now he's coming

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around looking at you. That's odd. He should have the same feelings.

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Well, I mean there could be
misplaced feelings. That's that's normal, misplaced

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feelings that you remind me of your
mother. I was so in love with

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her, the way you laugh,
your appearance, certain things about you,

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these types of things you too.
To have those feelings normal, but to

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understand them in their context and to
say this is not okay and not appropriate

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to pursue would be where you come
in as an adult and say this is

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not okay. So on both sides, as the daughter and as the pretend

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husband, that's it's not okay,
and it brings a lot of a lot

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of ugliness into the situation. That's
I don't know why you wouldn't just cut

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that off and say no, I'm
disgusted that you'd even ask me that or

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pursue me like that. I love
and I miss my mother, and I

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know you meant something to her.
You do not mean that to me,

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and I'd prefer that we don't have
any contact. I don't know what's so

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difficult about that, that kind of
running your toes in the sand, going

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well, I don't maybe this or
maybe that. And the guy's been gone

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for five or six years, so
it's not like there was a relationship that

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was built up and now you're curious
about exploring it. It's it had died

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and now it comes back and going
hey, maybe, I don't know.

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I would just expected a whole different
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a more upset, angry, frustrated
response. H okay, Don, welcome

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to the Jesus Christ Show. Thank
you, Savior. How are you,

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Don? I'm pretty good? Thank
you? What's going on? Well,

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I'm very much in love and in
fact engaged to a Muslim girl, and

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my preacher tells me that in the
Bible it says not to yoke myself with

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a nonbeliever. H I have a
friend in church that told me that he

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read and I can't remember where he
said, but that it was okay.

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I'm just kind of paraphrasing this that
it's okay as long as you're trying to

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leader to Christ leader to you.
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conclusions I think are based on their
own biased So I will tell you this.

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Yeah, scripture talks about being unequally
yoked, but it's not talking about

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marriage. I know a lot of
people put that in there, but it's

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not specifically talking about marriage and relationships
in context. Well, not necessarily,

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because there's more to it than that. And yes, you should be seeking

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the salvation of others by being a
wonderful example and sharing your faith when asked

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about the hope that lies within you. Yes, but um, in addition

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to that, pragmatically both with your
faith and with your life. To be

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involved with somebody of a differing faith
can be a huge problem. Now,

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if you guys are more seasoned in
your citizenry and you're not going to have

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children, it becomes less of a
problem. Yes, well we're past start.

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She has a daughter thirteen, but
we don't have plans to have any

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children. And I'm I'm sixty three
and she's forty four. Okay, so

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that's not that's not what you're seeking. Um, there's a major age discrepancy.

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Why is there so much distance in
the age? Pardon me? Why

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are you so much older than she? Well, we met in a nursing

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home that I was in for or
twile, and we were attracted to each

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other and it's been we've been in
a ongoing relationship for over two years now.

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Okay, So where do you connect? I mean, where's that part

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that you connect? If it's not
the age, I mean, you don't

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have the same references growing up.
If it's not the faith, where are

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you connecting to her? To each
other? Yes? Is it just physical?

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You like the way she looks?
She makes you laugh? Oh no,

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no, no, no, no, It's much deeper than that.

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Okay, But in what context If
it's not your faith and it's not your

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upbringing references because you're brought up,
it's like we can almost read each other's

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mind. She's also somewhat of a
caregiver to me, not a lot.

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I don't require a lot. Okay, but are you sure you haven't fallen

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in love with that concept of somebody
that's taking care of you. I've so

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searched about that very question. Well, that means that it's something of great

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importance. And I haven't been or
I haven't felt closer and as much in

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love with anyone in my life as
I am with her. Okay. But

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we started out this program with John
seven twenty four, and that's stopped judging

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by mere appearances and make the right
judgment, so that's not necessarily on just

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the things you feel or see or
think, well, this appears to be

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this way. I appear to have
these feelings, and that's I don't want

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to belittle them. I understand love
is a wonderful thing and and and that

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it, but it makes it clouds
people's judgment and vision. Sometimes I think

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that every case is unique and that
as individuals, you're not going to be

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having children. Then that leaves the
the you know, child rearing out of

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the equation, and that's where it
becomes the biggest problem. However, when

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you start having images of and worshiping
of different faiths going on inside the house

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that might be uncomfortable, or one
will win out. Usually there's kind of

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a wrestling match, whether it's obvious
or not so obvious, and one can

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win out. There's a lot of
problems that go with the mixed faith.

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So as far as getting a stamp
of approval on it and saying, well,

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God's going to condone this, No, that's not necessarily. What's the

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way it's going to go down?
However, you're not sinning necessarily by being

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with somebody of a different faith,
nor are you sinning to marry someone of

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a different faith. The sinning comes, that's comforting. Well, it's only

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comforting. And as much as you
practice that, if it takes you away

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from your faith at all, if
it distracts you from your faith, if

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it makes you veer away from any
of your practices or understanding, then yes,

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it becomes sinning. No, I
will tell you Jesus that just about

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the opposite has occurred. Um,
my faith has grown stronger because she has

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agreed to go with me to church. And are you going to go with

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her and pray as well? To
her church? Not a church, but

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yes her, Ye, she doesn't
attend Okay, So she may not be

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someone of a particularly strong faith,
but people, she's Indonesian and it's just

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that's what she was brought up with. Okay. Well, there's going to

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be different variables that are going to
change the situation, and we don't have

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time to go through every single one
of them. So I want to give

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you kind of an outline, and
the outline is to protect yourself and to

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protect your faith. That if you've
fallen in love with somebody, and I

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hear these terms all the time about
oh I've fallen in love or I've never

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had this experience, you can move
forward. You have free will to move

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forward in any of those things as
a Christian, as a human being,

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is an American, the thing you
need to protect is your faith. People

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do change when they get buried.
Sometimes the faith can be bolstered by someone

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of the opposite faith reminds you of
why you believe, and sometimes not.

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And she may not be that interested
in her faith now, but maybe she

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will be later and it may become
a problem. So you just need to

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know going into these things. I
know a lot of people would it'd be

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easier if it was just a sin
flat out, but really when it's talking

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about being unequally yoked, it's talking
about not intertwining I know, on a

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daily basis with people in a way
that's going to drag you down. And

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you can absolutely apply that to marriage. But to say that marrying somebody of

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a different faith or something like that
is a sin, you're not necessarily going

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to find that in scripture. People
may twist things to say that, but

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it's not super productive. If you
have children, it can be a horrible

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problem and it takes its toll.
There's enough problems in marriage as it is,

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and enough difficulties that you have to
figure your way around and negotiate that.

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To add this to the equation can
just be more problems than you think

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it is once you're in it.
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