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I'm the cold destroy our worlds, I said. I hope this is
close to hell? Is all? Ever? Again? Hello and welcome back
to the Tales from the Dark podcast. I'm your host, Bob. You're
with my co host Brittany. Hey, guys, what's up Brittany, how's
it going. It's it's been it's been what two weeks, I think,
so it's been a little bit And I'm sorry guys, it was kind of
crazy. Yeah, this winner has just had everyone in like a vice gript
when it comes to getting sick, and then just the winter depression seems to
be real rough for everybody this year. Yeah. Absolutely, So be gentle
with yourselves, guys, and and take some take some time for yourself,
that's for sure. Yeah. We are big advocates for self care. Take
some self care time right now, because it's I don't know what it is
about this winter. It was last year was bad, I remember, but
this year has been rough when it comes to just the creative juices aren't flowing
when it comes to uh anything now, And I think what makes it worse
is you usually have like a normal cut off, like abrupt stop when it
comes to winter, and this one and for us, like our time in
the winter as used for reflection, for planning and things like that, and
instead of it being okay, November first, it's a big snowstorm, you
can't go anywhere, it just kind of trickled, and so we didn't really
get that kind of closure for going off and going on our ventures. And
so I think that also has a big part of it. Yeah, I
would agree, and that with the awful weather here in Ohio where we had
what was it like six seven days in a row. It was back in
the fifties and sixties, to the point that I was like, I'm gonna
get the Harley back out and we're gonna ride the bike. And then it
just crashed into single digits. Yeah, and then it's like two days it'll
be freezing, then we'll get it. We had a pretty good amount of
snow that lasted all of forty eight hours, and then it went back to
warm and then it's back freezing again, and it's it's a really weird time
because with Ohio winters, you know kind of like you just talked with a
drop off. Usually we hit the last week of December and December through February,
you know, up until men be the first week of March. It's
just dreadful and we kind of know what you expect, but it like pulls
you out of your shell and you're like, oh, let's let's go.
Kentucky's calling us, let's hit Kentucky, let's hit West Virginia. Let's let's
get out. And oh, well this weekend it's gonna be back down to
three degrees. It's sixty five degrees today, we're making all these plans and
now it's two or three degrees three days later. Yeah, unfortunately. Yeah,
it's it's been rough. But what hasn't been rough has been the reaction
to the Phantom Farm trailer. Yes, so I don't think we actually we
release the trailer, but we haven't done an episode since we released trailers.
So yeah, anyone who is not in the patroon or in the Facebook group,
we have officially released the Phantom Farm trailer and that is up live now
on YouTube on the Tails from the Dark YouTube channel. I believe it's also
in the Facebook group as well, and we've posted a couple other places,
but Instagram, Twitter is another one, TikTok as well. Yep, it's
basically everywhere that we are. It's up. Yeah, yeah, it's well.
What's funny is I don't post a whole lot on like my personal Facebook,
and it has something like forty five shares something crazy, yeah, and
over sixteen hundred views just alt the personal Facebook. Like I said, the
reaction was huge in the Facebook group, way more like positivity that I had
anticipated. And it's funny because we're always like the most critical on ourselves.
But I think this project specifically, it was such a labor of love,
and in the fact that it took us almost a year to get to the
point where we're showing people a trailer, I was very nervous putting it up.
So I definitely appreciate all the well wishes and the excitement for everybody.
It is already up on Amazon Prime, but what's approved on Prime it's not
available yet, and I don't know. I'm really excited. So I know
this coming Saturday over on Patreon, we're gonna be doing a watch party.
Yeah watch early release premiere thing. It's so weird to say premiere because it's
it really is like a movie. Yeah it's not. It's not a you
know, a YouTube video that's ten minutes long. We're gonna sit down a
dice second afterwards. It's a full fledged documentary. And Tyler did a great
job with the editing, and everyone did a great job, with the exception
of Austin, who just I'm pretty sure is the reason that everything everyone's haunted.
Yeah, that half the evidence actually existed. But speaking of haunted,
um, you know, it's kind of funny. Brohio has their their little
studio ghost happening and we've been having some fuckery over here on our end as
well. God what happens, Well, for one, your your cat,
I'm pretty sure is tapping into the other side. Okay, my cat has
been on one recently and she knows exactly what I'm talking about. Like I'll
say, hey, can you uh, what was that? Mama? What
was that noise? And she will run and like make me follow her to
show me what that noise was, and she points it out every single time.
Well, what was really weird was we we had this like banging noise
the other day and it was something happened in the bathroom. I think the
window closed or something, and she liked me out at you and made you
follow her into the bathroom to show you, like, hey, this this
is happening. Yeah, and then your tarot cards got taken out the other
day in place somewhere we were hearing weird noises. We were in the bedroom.
The door opened on its own, and then cats. Yeah, no,
no cats anywhere to be found. The doors opened on its own when
we were laying in bed, which is the reaction that I didn't have.
You're like, you got to get back on a fucking investigation soon, Like
this is not a good reaction that you're having. You're not even looking at
this like it's paranormal, Like, oh, it's fine, Yeah, exactly,
it's fine, Like these are just things that occur. But it was
weird bec our door, our studio door, the cats can push open pretty
easily, but not our bedroom door though. Yeah. And we were just
laying in bed and the doors opens up and you wick up of it out
of a dead like, yeah, that the bedroom door is open. I'm
like, it's fine, just go back to bed. The ghosts can wait
till the morning. I'm not worried about this right now. Yeah, that
was literally your reaction. I was so mad too. I was like,
get up close that door. I'm not dealing with this. Yeah. Well,
there's just been a lot of like weird noises in the house lately,
and I don't really know how to describe it. I mean, the other
day I went down on the basement to start laundry and I kept I didn't
see anything, but I just kept having this feeling like this someone was right
behind me. I hate our basement, Yeah, I really hate it.
The people who lived here before us like superglued this mirror, like like on
the far side of our basement that's probably twenty five thirty feet away, and
every tiod I turn around, I see my reflection and that mirror and it
scares the shit out of me time. But yeah, there is something weird
about our basement. Like I know everyone's gonna say, oh, you know,
basements are just creepy, but there's just like an unshakable feeling that there's
someone watching you or something in the basement with you. And we don't really
have a reason to think that apart from like it's just fucking creepy. Yeah,
it's a very creepy basement, which is unfortunate because like we would have
so much more room to do stuff like put some hobbies down there, but
I can't. Well yeah, well that's that's funny. When we got into
D and D, I tried to like clean it up down there and put
a little D and D area, and it just quickly turned into yeah,
there's no way, fucking way, absolutely not. Yeah, so we just
convert our studio into a little bit of everything and it works out. Yeah.
I mean we say it works out, but we're like two hobbies away
from having to to move and get another bedroom just like strap myself to the
ceiling and start working upside down. Yeah. Well it's funny. We we
had the cast watch party, and it just you don't realize how small a
room is until it's full of like five six people and you're like, oh
shit, this is this is problematic. Yeah, we have to do something
about this. But with that being said, the uh, you know,
we kind of had this idea for this little mini series we're going to do,
and it's kind of just getting back to basics and where the idea came
from. I stumbled across this really interesting article that discusses is your house haunted?
Or doesn't have a haunted personality, and I kind of started thinking about
that. I'm like, you know, we kind of started with Tails from
the Dark with the assumption that everyone was initiated for lack of a better term,
when it comes to the paranormal, and yet we never really started at
the beginning to say, well, what is a ghost, what is a
haunting? What is it to us? Because that's something that's been very surprising.
Over the last I don't know, six or so months, I've consumed
a bunch of paranormal content and it's funny to see people's different reactions in different
assumptions and assessments of what paranormal actually is. And I think as podcasters or
as people, you kind of just assume everyone thinks the same way that you
do. Yeah, and yet when you talk to them like, oh,
you think a ghost is just a p what an actuality? You know,
someone else might think, oh, it's just a tan can, totally normal.
So so before we get into it, I want to ask what is
a paranormal experience to Brittany, Like, when you think when someone's like I
had a paranormal experience before they go into the story, what do you think
that is, like what does that mean to you? Like, what's the
first thing that pops in my head when someone if they don't tell me what
their paranormal experience was, I would think like a door slamming, Like I
think that's the most common thing for me, or like an object moving.
Okay, when it comes to what the actual experience is, when it comes
to the ghost itself the most, I'd probably think the one I would think
of the most would be just stay. A residual haunting, I think would
be the first type of paranormal I would I would think of, yeah,
And see, that's what I find hilarious is in the trailer for fanom Farmer,
You're like, yeah, this is my first ghost hunt. I found
a body bag and speak of which the amount of people were like, hey,
what was in that fucking bag? Looking Yeah, well you'll find out.
You got to watch Phantom Farm. But it's interesting because like again,
like you don't you don't come from a paranormal background and get you know about
residual hauntings. And see, what I would love to do is get like
ten fifteen paranormal investigator, like hardcore investigators say hey, what's what's an experience
like for you, because we talk to Austin, you know, almost on
a daily basis, and he has all these strange things happening to him,
around him, to people that he's connected to, and he doesn't really think
that it's a ghost or that it's paranormal. And yet some people, if
you know, a door slammed their houses on it, they're calling dan ackrooid
like they're getting the Ghostbusters together. This is a problem, and for me
it's kind of weird. You guys will see this in the documentary and you'll
will dissect it after the fifteenth when it comes out publicly. Um, it
takes a lot for me to say, yes, this is paranormal. And
I don't know why that is because, like, for example, a door
slamming or a door opening, if I know that there's no root cause for
that, and I can't prove that this happened because the wind blew, I
should be able to just like kind of blindly accept oh, this is probably
paranormal, this is probably something weird. And yet for me, I have
to take it a step further. I want to I have to see an
apparition, I have to get touched, I have to like, I don't
know. I think I've set the bar a little too high and I have
to reel that back in when it comes to I guess paranormal in general,
because again, people have such a varied explanation for what they think a ghost
is. I think we need to kind of readjust what we believe is an
experience or an encounter, if that makes sense, because I think there's just
like there's there's we're setting this too high. I think like shows like ghost
Hunters and Ghost Adventures of just like you have to see a full bodied apparition
and has to throw a brick at you, take it shirt off and do
the worm for it to be a ghost, just when an actuality, it
could be something as simple as, like you said, an object moving.
We'll see for me. I think another issue when it comes to paranormal investigations
and things like that is that while there's a lot of information out there available
for what paranormal is, and there's all the different opinions, I think there's
also an issue with clarity with that information. And I think it also gets
twisted with own personal experiences and obviously, if you experience something that's life changing,
it's going to change your beliefs. Yeah, but at the same time,
I think there's too much bias in this field to actually come up with
good scientific evidence, honestly. See. And that's what has been so interested
in doing this little series on Cryptid's ghosts and paranormal or what are UFOs?
I'm sorry, has got to be I want to hear from the scientific side
of your brain, like because it's it's still that's one of my favorite things
is you approach things from the the traditional scientific method of science has taught me
X and so why needs to be the answer when we've found out that X
can equal spaghettios depending on the situation. So I would agree with that.
Now, let me ask, is this because we're you know, we're marathoning
through Supernatural. We're on season five. We just started season five, which
I'm hearing is as some people's favorites. That's something about the show that I
actually love is they they don't seem to ever muddy the waters that they Okay,
well, this is a ghoul, and this is a ghoul. It's
a fucking ghoul. We're hunting a ghoul. It's not it could be a
ghoul, but also a mummy, Tulpa, werewolf, there's no muddying the
waters, like they're able to compartmentalize in such a unique way of Okay,
this is what we're hunting, why we're hunting it, the history, and
how we kill it, and it's it. To me, that's kind of
I think how you have to approach to the paranormal is it's not it's it's
black and white once you've proven it's black and white. But you always have
that kind of call to action, or they're when they're trying to figure out
what is what are we dealing with? It could be this, this,
and this for these reasons, and then once they kind of rule out the
other things, they hard focus on just the goal is coming to mind because
they thought it was something else entirely until they had reason to believe otherwise.
And I feel like in the paranormal world, like you said, it's all
so muddy, where because Brittany experienced the door shutting, it has to be
a residual haunting When I could say that sounds like a Poultergeist to me.
But we both can't be right, or can we? And I think that
that's where paranormal investigators are getting a little too lost in the weeds with it
only fits the narrative if it's a poulter geist, I think labeling, So
that's like where the polar opposites are. For me, is like the scientific
as the side of my brain wants to say, Okay, label organizing,
cat g eyes, every single thing, every single inch of a place.
Yeah, But at the same time, labels adhere to belief. Belief is
the enemy. So it's kind of like a walking, talking contradiction. But
yeah, um, when it comes to actual scientific beliefs in the paranormal and
the research done through scientists for paranormal activity, a lot of people don't actually
give any credit to it at all. They all think it's either human error,
So that would be your perception, that would be your um, what
was it called when you can see faces paraphernilia padilla or something. Yeah,
when you look at an image and you think you see something there but it's
not actually yeah, face recognition, face association. Um, Basically, your
brain is working to try to associate things that understands to something it might not
understand. Run away, Okay, so a lot that's hang on. That's
really fucking well. Put I guess I've never really listen to someone explain it
that way, but that's that's exactly what it is. It's your brain making
sense of you know, it's assigning a belief based off past experiences because you
don't understand something in the moment. That's a really good way to put it.
Yeah, So your brain operates on perception and beliefs all the time.
Because one of the articles I read talked about how all your senses, so
you're touched, you're hearing, your smell, all your senses, your vision
are constantly being bombarded in the real world, and it is your brain's job
to tell you what to focus on. So if I'm looking at that poster
behind you or that tapestry, I'm focusing on that. Everything else that gets
blurry, and that's my brain's job saying, Okay, this is what we
need to focus on. If you hear all these other things, if you
see all these other things, you're going to get distracted and I can't understand
what you're trying to tell me. So does that make sense? Yeah,
no, get tunel vision. Yeah, it's tunnel vision. So a lot
of people say that one of the reasons why they experience paranormal activity, and
a lot of the scientists say is because of misperception, is because your brain
saying, hey, that looks like a human, when in reality it was
just a shadow. Interesting. I feel like scientists who are researching this field
and not giving it credit are not giving enough credit to human emotion. For
one, because these are some of the things that we've heard of and some
of the things that people are actually going through have real world impacts on their
emotions and their emotional state. And I also feel like scientists aren't giving enough
credit to people who actually understand what they're talking about. It's like how the
spin doctors for the Air Force will go and tell pilot, well, you
don't really know what a plane looks like, Well, sir, I've I've
been flying one for fifty years. I feel like a lot of that happens
in the paranormal as well. Oh, I agree, And I do feel
like there's also a people are are misunderstanding the importance of perception. And I
say that because as someone who doesn't really believe in the traditional psychic mediums.
And again, we'll do a full episode on that at some point, but
I don't necessarily believe that someone just born with Okay, I walk in,
I can feel Yeah, that's an angry forty two year old, aquarious yet
burgundy pants. I don't really believe in that, but I do believe that
some people are sensitive to feeling energy. And I think there's not enough credit
given to that. And I say that because in Phantom Farmer specifically, there
is a time where I'm walking with Austin. He's like, it kind of
just doesn't feel norm How do I explain it? It doesn't feel like it
did two hours ago. I didn't pick up on that at all. Now,
Austin has been on way more investigations than all of us combined, realistically,
but he picked up on something's not quite right within twenty minutes of him
saying that we caught the most convincing paranormal footage and evidence that I've ever seen.
And again I'm not just saying that because I'm on a two or on
horn, but it legitimately is like, it was incredible what we caught on
camera, and he felt that before it happened. He just said something.
You know, we didn't say I feel a ghost or I'm feeling you know
Ida for example, or something. He just said, something doesn't really feel
right right now, something feels different about the floor that we're on, and
that has stuck out to me. As you know, I wonder how many
times we've gone to a location, we've been in a cave, for example,
and something didn't feel right, but we just didn't say something because we
you know, because you don't ever want to be this scared person on an
investigation, and you don't want to seem like you're trying to be you know,
cry or you know, be the baby. But I think that there
is a an opening that needs to be I don't want to say exploited,
but needs to be explored when it comes to human perception, because I think
that it's just being under used and undervalued. And I wonder if we approach
that from the scientific side, is there something about our brain, about our
senses that can explain that from a scientific perspective, Like when you know you're
being watched, for example, I know there's a term for it, like
you know how there's a bunch of different studies that have been done that you
can tell when someone's staring at you in a room, even if you haven't
seen them with your own eyes, you can tell when someone's staring at you.
I wonder if it's along those same lines. Well, I think that
that specific instance spoils down to something called instinct basically, Yeah, like primal
instinct, survival skills, things like that that we've not how to utilize,
thankfully in recent thousands years. But survival instincts is something that was in our
blood and helped us evolve as a creature, as a basically smaller being as
a species. Yeah, as a species. So interesting. So what is
a ghost in your opinion, like, what is I know that's a loaded
questions. Yeah, so we'll get into what other people perceive as a ghost,
But me personally I am I am back and forth when it comes to
what is a ghost. I also, if you're need to the show,
I don't believe in demons. I don't believe in exorcisms. I don't believe
in any of that kind of stuff. And it's funny because that's a lot
of people's like bread and butter when it comes to parallel invest Oh, we're
dealing with a nasty demon. No, I'm on the record saying I stand
by it. I think if you were an asshole when you were alive,
you're probably still an asshole when you're dead. Yeah, And I hate to
be that guy because it's kind of a cop out answer. Well, I
just don't believe in demons. But it has nothing to do with religion as
much as it just has to do with I think it's just energy in some
way, shape or form. I think it's energy. And again that that
could also be perceived as a cop out answer, because residual hauntings I firmly
believe in. I think and if you aren't familiar with what the term residual
means, Basically, when you hear someone say residual haunting, it's it's like,
let's say Brittanya bake the cake every Tuesday morning for thirty years after she
passes, if we still see her baking a cake, but she doesn't interact
with us, she doesn't even acknowledge our existence. But she's in the kitchen
baking that cake. That is a residual haunting. It's basically an imprint on
a location or a building, or a time frame, what have you where
It's just a repetition and cycled because her energy, her love, her passion
was cake making. So for me, it's it's got to be energy.
That's got to be the only answer I can give. And I say that
because we've now done two investigations with Austin. I think that there's something about
Austin Lawrence and I don't know what it is. And I'm not saying this
to hype up his book sales or hype the documentary him as a person.
I think he attracts a certain type of energy to him. And it's funny
because we've all I've talked to everyone that was involved in the filming. Everyone
thinks that something is weird when it comes to us, and not you know,
he's a fucking weirdo. We know that we think that there's something about
it. He has a very warm, inviting, welcoming, I'll talk to
you about anything personality. I mean a while ago, at like two in
the morning, I message him and I'm like, Hey, can you tell
me about film photography? He's like, fuck, yeah, no, prompt
of well, why do you want to know? Oh, I'm busy.
Three hour long conversation about where it came from, how he does it,
why his process is this way, the costs, why it's important to still
use film photography, like he's that kind of person that I haven't seen a
single person you reach out to him because they had a question in him,
blow them off. And I think because I wonder if it's it's oh,
he's just haunted or more of Is he just that kind of a person?
Is that his aura that he pushes out is everyone can come talk to me
or be with me. So that includes all the ghosts. Yeah, but
I think my answer it's just energy. And I think I think that that
is going to come forth in a bunch of different ways. Rather it be
a residual haunting, a poultergeist, rather it be you know, knocking on
a door, someone getting pushed, someone pushing our cat to try and eat
me while I felt on the stairs. There's a bunch of different ways.
I think it can be trusted. Yeah, but I do believe that I'm
just gonna go with energy. I don't even want to say it's a person's
soul because that that has a lot of implications. You get into that conversation,
it's a completely different cat. Like, this episode's two hours long at
that point, So what about you? What is a ghost to you?
I mean, I would agree, I would agree with that I think the
thing that bothers me right now, The question that's like burning is going through
the articles, and we'll go through a couple of them as we progress in
this episode. Going through the articles, One of the theories that we talked
about was which I'll let you introduce here a little bit, but basically it
talks about the the what kind of imprint do we leave? So we know
of you know, karma, we know of actions have consequences. Those consequences
can be good or bad. Absolutely, Now, when we talk about actions
having consequences, it's usually something that can inflict that either good or bad consequence.
So, yeah, if I kick a door, that door's not going
to budge and it's going to hurt my toe. Now, what does that
mean when it comes to paranormal and energy? What kind of imprints do we
leave in the world with things that we touch, things that we do,
me grabbing a microphone right now, what kind of imprint does that leave?
And one of the other interesting questions I have is there was a guy in
the nineteenth century, it was on one of those articles that we just read,
that had the theory about our words, and that he thought that every
time we spoke a word, it hung in the air indefinitely, and if
we had some way, some device, some type of ability to pull those
down, we would have access to the consciousness basically infinite memories. And if
we had waited to interpret him, we could interpret anything, so that that
theory basically transformed into the veil. What's beyond the veil the spirit world.
And so there were a lot of scientists who believe that our memories and our
thoughts and things we say became energy and stayed beyond the veil and stayed in
this other realm, and that there are certain people and certain tools that make
it like a rip that we can kind of through and here and pull down
some information. And they also talked about how there are these certain places that
could have energy rips, basically liminal places that would make it easier to cross
the thin veil. So what impact do we actually have to our environment,
to our houses, to the places that we go, everything that we do.
What impact does that truly have on the world? It's my question right
now. Yeah, that's a very valid point. All right, So I
want to get into this first article here, and then we're going to revisit
that line of questioning. I'm sure in UFOs as well, because in the
UFO world that is becoming a more and more common explanation for the like the
new UFO Wave and speaking to which I want to do a quick plug for
another podcast. We don't do this very often. And granted, the two
men that run this podcast, they don't need us to tell you it's good.
We're gonna tell you it's good anyway. Oh yeah, the The Weaponized
Podcast Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp's new podcast. Their second episode just dropped.
I haven't had a chance to listen to the second episode. The first episode.
I love the way that it's presented. The one thing I cannot stress
enough is George Knapp's unique way of bringing a narration to life, a script
to life when it comes to reporting. I don't know of anyone else that's
doing it as well as he is in general right now. And now does
that come from twenty five plus years of experience? You know, you tell
me, But there's something about George Knapp's storytelling that when he talks, he
commands the room like you are. You are tuned in and you are hanging
off every word. And their first episode was kind of just getting you ready
for what the podcast is going to be about. But then they dove into,
you know, Bob Blazar for example, and they kind of, you
know, underhandedly slid some stuff about Bob that they've never really talked about on
other podcasts, at least that we've listened to. And I'm extremely excited for
what they have in store because it's not they're not discovering you a phos is.
They're going to cover cryptids, conspiracies, the Mob, which anyone who
knows George Knapp knows that he has some very interesting history when it comes to
the Mob, especially the Las Vegas crime families. So I'm stoked. If
you guys are looking for another show to listen to, I cannot recommend Weaponized.
You know enough, those guys are fucking killing it well. I think
it's definitely an itch that we've had for a long time because we've had to
re listen to the Joe Rogan episodes with George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell. Yeah,
and while I absolutely love those episodes, it doesn't feel like it's ever
long enough. It doesn't ever feel like we're getting enough information. We're always
wanting more and so for them to go out and create their own podcasts,
I think was perfect timing. So oh, it was definitely it was.
It was a need that I think that a lot of people didn't even realize
was there. And I'm super stoked I would agree with that. Yeah,
so this article comes from Craig Wiler or Wheeler, I'm not sure to pronounce
your last name, and some paranormal Daily News. I want to get Craig
on the show because I think he would be a really fun guests. So
if you guys like this article, let me know and I'll see if we
can't get Craig on the show. But the title of the article is is
my house haunted? A general buildings contractor weighs in. Now, I kind
of have to preface I already fell in love with this article by the title,
because the first thing that we do when we go into any place we're
investigating is we kind of take the temperature and we say take the temperature.
It's not just screening for em. We're trying to see. Okay, just
stare number four pop when you walk on it. Okay, is the banister
wobbly? Is it missing some bolts? Does this door latch all the way
we're doing all these things, because there's so many times at least for me
in the past ten fifteen years that spants to say, my house is haunted.
And yet when we go and look, okay, well you have a
carbon monoxide leak, bro, it's sorry, the house isn't haunted. And
one thing that's really funny that I had I had a memory of this would
have been two thousand and nine or two thousand and eight. My cousin reaches
out to me and says, hey, I know you're into ghosts and ghosts
hunting and all this stuff. I think my house is haunted. And so
I get Tyler, Terry and our friend Jordan together and again we're this is
high school, Tyler and Bob, and we go and we do a little
investigation. But one thing we notice is she said a lot of the activities
seems to be centered around my kid. And I was like, okay,
well, you know, we'll come out, we'll bring this sony handicams and
we'll see what we can do. Oh well, one thing that Tyler I
think Eric was with us as well. But one thing that Tyler noticed and
then I sort of watching for, is she would say, yeah, you
know, my kid would report, you know, he would get bumps and
bruises, and I would, you know, I'd go to the kitchen and
come back and come back and big old bruise on his arm out of nowhere,
and he'd say, oh, well, someone pushed me. Well,
we're watching this kid, and he was clumsy as fuck. We would stand
up and like we would. He'd be talking to his mom and then walk
into the wall, and I think he fucking heated glasses, if I'm being
honest. But you know, she had convinced herself out of something incredibly mundane,
as my child is clumsy, my toddlers clumsy, as my house is
haunted. And then I think what had happened. Was her boyfriend or husband,
I don't remember which. He worked nights, so she's by herself at
night. Her kid is saying, I have imaginary friends, and so and
so is pushing me down, and I have all these bruises and bumps.
And then she convinced up, so I'm gonna call a Catholic priest. She
called the priest from our church. He came out, blessed the house,
gave her a full seven men explanation of demonology and then fucking left. So
then you have to think, Okay, well, we have a housewife at
home alone, convinced that our house is haunted and it's attacking her child.
I think her. And again, I don't want to downplay any anyone who's
going through this, but I think when we look at the evidence piled up,
it kind of explains itself as far as you know what is actually going
on. Yeah, it's interpretation. Yeah, And it's one of those things
that I to this day take that with me every haunting, every investigation we
go, one of you have to keep your mind in check because you know
as well as I do, when you're in the dark for two hours,
you heard what you thought was a door closing, but by the time you
wouldn't investigated it, the door closed, someone drove a car through the front
yard. There's three ghosts that are fucking doing Gangham style, like your brain
goes on a really weird roller coaster when you're looking for it. Yeah,
yeah, I agree with that, but I also I think, I don't
know, it's difficult because that's a lot of what scientists say happen is it's
just basically your your mind's tricking you. You don't really understand what's going on.
And one of the things I kind of thought was backhanded. And one
of the articles I read was that they were like, you just you know,
young, this young man, this example that they had this young man
he woke up with sleep paralysis basically, Okay, so he woke up,
couldn't move, but he was seeing stuff around his room. Yeah, and
they said, you know, young Johnny. I'll just say, Johnny,
Young Johnny didn't think that his house was haunted though. All he had to
do was just use critical thinking, like really, really, yeah, got
sleep paralysis is not the same as your housemank haunted, not at all.
No, you've gone through sleep paralysis on multiple occasions. That can be terrifying.
It that's a whole nother that's a demon, for lack of a bit
of that's an actual demon. Yeah, that's a demon. Okay. So
the article here starts. I am the science editor for Paranormal Daily News,
and I'm also a licensed California general building contractor. I've done a lot of
handyman type work over the years. What I want to address today are some
of the normal things that occur with buildings that have been taking into that have
to be taken into consideration when examining a potential haunting or ghost. So I
love this because he's kind of going in with He's not saying that your house
isn't haunted, but it's these are things to think about before you say it's
haunted. Yeah, and I think that that's a really like that's incredibly important
because again, like you just said, some of these scientists come off of
just well me just backhand you with my knowledge because you're too simple to understand.
Yeah. So I've run into quite a few stories people claiming that something
paranormal was happening in their home and that they were just head scratches for me.
No, I think to myself, I've run into that kind of problem
before, and I know what causes it and how to fix it. So
I've made a little list of stuff that I'm familiar with. There are other
things that PARAM one investigators should be aware of, of course, but I'm
only addressing things that might be related to a haunting that are within my area
of expertise. Again, love this guy. He's not trying to overreach and
say this is the definitive list end all be all like. He's being very
modest, I think is probably the best way I can put it. Yeah,
he's definitely leaving a wigger room to say, Okay, could this be
on here? Could this be on here? So yeah, So this is
a no way debunking of parentm one investigators or their findings. However, in
any quality paranom one investigation, ordinary causes have to be either completely ruled out
or accounted for, Otherwise an investigation will leave questions on the table right for
criticism. Here, I'm going to address the things that someone in construction will
run into from time to time, and so this is the part where it's
haunted. Houses have personality. Houses are sent systems, and they have their
own personalities. They have water, electric sewer heating, and often gas and
air caning. They have a variety of passive mechanical systems such as door knobs
and locks, hinges and drawers, electronic and mechanical systems such as ovens,
dishwashers, garbage disposals, washers, dryers, etc. At any given moment,
these parts of the house are in various states of repair and are subject
to the vagaries of their initial installation. In general, wear over time.
In addition to this, houses have consumable items such as light bulbs and air
filters that just wear out. The building may have been remodeled at some point,
or have various other idiosencracies. Every building is different, and some of
the things that go on in houses can seem paranormal people who don't see this
stuff happen on a regular basis. In addition to this, I don't think
it's enough to just provide a list, but also how to check for these
things. Many of the strange things can be tested for relatively easily. So
what I think is kind of interesting is he's approaching this from a paranormal investigator
mindset in general contracting and not the other way around. It's okay, well,
how do I explain the door slamming? Okay, well, we have
to make sure that the door actually works as intended, like the function can
be carried out in a way that it was designed for. Okay, if
everything's perfect and it slams, then we can entertain the paranormal conversation. Yeah,
and I think that's something even without being a general contractor, that's something
that you have to do. You do, unfortunately, to refer back to
the article. You do have to use critical thinking. Yeah, if you
hear a weird noise, you should investigate it before saying that it's a haunting,
seeing if you can replicate it, seeing if you can replicate any like
can you slam the door by opening a window or because that happens with us
the air pressure in the house, we open a window, some of our
doors will close or you can hear them wiggle. So I think it's definitely
very important to verify your findings. And I think when it comes to us,
especially the it has to be replicated for us to think it's weird,
absolutely, unless it's that chair that got thrown with you and Tyler. Yeah,
so I'll tell that story in just a moment. But what is important
to kind of remember is a lot of these locations we go to and so
Prospect Place is a great example. That is a very very old home that
up until recently was in various forms of disarray. The guy who owned it
previously, from what Austin has told us, he lived there, he was
kind of a hoarder. There was stuff everywhere and they've cleaned it all up
well. During the cleanup, and we saw this at Randolph as well.
As they're fixing these things up, you're fixing something that's old and so new
and old when it comes to when you're doing like a renovation, they don't
always play well together. So you don't know what impact the new you know,
door locks, the new hinges you put on the door, what impact
that's going to have on a regular activity of the house exactly. And I
think that that's something that can't be under sold here. And when I say
activity, I don't mean paranormal, I mean the wind gus. Well,
those inges make a new noise now that you have wind coming through there regularly.
Are they gonna shake the door in a different way and make a different
noise. Absolutely, So he goes on and says, lights that go on
and offer flicker for seemingly no reason, there's lots of causes that, there
are lots of things that can cause this. While it is possible for the
house to be a house wiring to do the problem, it's far more likely
to be coming from a switch, the light or the light fixture. The
kind of thing that's all my clients fix it list often enough that I would
be very reluctant to ever ascribes anything paranormal, and then he goes on this
is under electrical paranormal quirks. If the light is fluorescent, that can be
This can be caused by a failing transformer or light. They tend to flicker
when they're failing. Fluorescent lights often have a dark spot near the base and
they start to go bad, and they tend to make a buzzing sound and
don't put out much light. It's all fairly off if you take off the
light cover and look at them directly. However, most homes have a nice
thick light cover that you really can't see the ball itself. Some light fixtures,
very common for recess lighting, have thermal sensors that shut off the light
if the internal temperature is too high. This is more common in summer on
hot days when the attic temperature is quite high. This occurs where the socket
is high up in the fixture. The most common cause of this problem is
recess lights covered in insulation in the attic. So he kind of goes on
through this article and breaks it down to noises water hammering, plastic drain pipes,
rubbing against wood, explaining weird noises, creaking and groaning being made by
wood expansion, scratching sounds. I mean, he really goes pretty deep into
it and in cold air and weird smells. He does a really phenomenal job
of breaking down all of the I would say commonalities like things that you hear
in a traditionally haunted place. And I can't stress enough how important that is.
And I think that every new ghost hunter should have to read this article.
Because now, if Brittany's ghost walks downstairs and you're watching her make it
cake and she's been dead for three days, that's not a leaky faucet.
We can definitively say that that's not a leaky faucet. But when it comes
to just these strange noises, not necessarily like these visual perceptions like seeing a
full body apparition, Yeah, but strange noises, light flickering, things like
that, because can have a natural explanation other than paranormal. Yeah. Now
let me ask you this, miss Brittany, now that you've kind of done
a couple investigations, do you have any like telltale signs of Okay, this
is a haunting or do you even think that those are possible to exist?
Because I'm supernatural, we know you bust out your MF walkman, and you
get a M. You know, you get a M you've got a ghost
one hundred percent. You know that if the girl, the girl can pick
up silver, she's a werewolf. But like, do you think that there
is there even a place for something like telltale signs of a haunting. No,
I think there are telltale signs of strange activity. Yeah, and I
think those would be you know, other people's stories, the feeling in the
place, and it would be the weird noises and things like that. All
those add up to strange activity. But I wouldn't classify places that we go,
like, I wouldn't go and say, okay, yeah this place is
haunted unless I experienced it myself. And I think the stories is what gets
us there, the activity is what gets us to stay or come back.
That's okay, Yeah, that's that's a very good point. So we can't
say somewhere as haunted one hundred percent until we experience those activities. Yeah.
What has to happen though for you to say yes, this is haunted,
because like again, even though I will put my reputation along saying we caught
some of the most convincing evidence of paramal existence in history. At Randolph County
Asylum, I'm not ready to say the place is haunted. I'm not either,
and that's so that's so weird to say. But I think it's because
of social like the social meaning of a haunted house and everything we've seen in
Hollywood and movies and TV. I think that definitely has an impact on what
we would think would be haunted. And the reason why I say that is
because in Ghost Adventures, for example, you if you don't see a full
body apparition everywhere you go, you're not doing it right, according to Zach
Bagins. But um, there is strange activity. There are strange things that
happen. I feel uncomfortable there. I don't really like investigating there when I
do, and I don't like I like investigating, but I also hate it
so well. See, and that's something that I have I have to remember
and appreciate about you is you. You haven't done it as much as Austin
and I have. You haven't been you know, you eventually kind of just
accept everywhere it's just a dark room, and you still have that like,
Okay, I'm a UFO hunter, I'm you know, you're out of your
element looking for a ghost. And that's something that I think came through really
well in the documentary because you approach us like, you know, it feels
weird. I wasn't really ready for the silence, and yet we're all just
like, she's in a fucking room. It's dark. It sucks. Yeah,
but I think if something y'all did came back to my neck of the
woods, you'd be pretty freaked out where I'm normal. So it all comes
up to what what have you done? What are you going to continue doing?
Ooh absolutely? But yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I think
I would agree. I don't think that you can just hear claims and say,
yep, that's haunted. I think it What is what even is our
definition of haunted? Though? Yeah, that's that's the thing. And that's
where again we need to another hour, I think, because for me,
for something to be haunted, it has to be it can't be a one
off, because I think that strange things can happen anywhere and everywhere, and
I think that the mind is an exceptionally powerful tool that if that have tuned
and news properly, you could you could make a chucky cheese haunted and in
Austin's talked about like wanting to do a series of like like that to try
and go to these places that have no business being haunted. Yeah. No,
no, no claims of activity, no history whatsoever. A brand new
dollar General just built and he's going to make a ghost appear like But my
my reason for saying that is I think it can't just be a one off.
That needs to be consistent, and it needs to be like everyone that
goes through there has a similar encounter. I would agree with that, because
again, I think fear is a very powerful thing, and I think manifestation
is a very real thing. But I think if if you really don't want
to see that door closed at the end of the hallway and for the full
two hours you're in the base and other things, I hope that door doesn't
close. I wouldn't be too surprised if as you're about to leave, that
door fucking closes. Yea, yeah, Okay, So before we leave,
I want to talk about the stone tape theory. Now, are you familiar
at all with the stone tape theory? I briefly read through the article,
but no, not really. Yeah, I am shocked. I've never come
across this before and I feel again, this is where the imposter syndrome starts
to kick in. So I'm like, how did I not know about this?
Yeah? So, whether you use strict scientific experiments or other forms of
sensory research, many people have suggested theories about the paranormal to answer some of
those burning questions. For nearly two centuries, many have explored an explanation that
we now call the stone tape theory or residual hauntings, often linked with place
memory. The stone tape theory is probably one of the most popular explanations for
the presence of ghostly activity. Yeah, this is what I was talking about
earlier when I had all those questions about what imprint do we actually leave on
these objects on our reality? Gotcha? Okay, So have you ever had
a distinct feeling that you're being watched or listened to? That strangenessation is that
someone is lurking around just around the corner, or maybe you had the impression
that someone has left a recording device that is capturing your words and actions to
play it back at a different time. That creepy feeling that you may have
experienced and being watched by unforeseen forces or unseen forces partially forms the basis of
the stone tape theory. Although it's became popular in the late twentieth century,
the theory has a storied pass and it continues to interest paranormal researchers to this
day. So now we're going to kind of get into the origins of place
theory or place memory. I'm sorry. In the nineteenth century, there's a
keen interest in examining how human activity may be recorded or left behind after we
departed. The people researching these ideas weren't ghost hunters looking for spiritual signals.
Most were scientists trying to understand how the elements in our environments worked. Charles
Babbage, a nineteenth century thinker credited with the concept that eventually became the programmable
computer, speculated about how spoken human words may remain in the air long after
they're uttered. He suggested that these words eventually became inaudible to most humans,
but all of our speech floats in the air with us forever. According to
Babbage, a few people could still interpret these inaudible words, and they had
the power to unlock memories. So I'm guessing this is like getting into that
latent psychic ability conversation at this point, right kind of. So the way
I interpreted it is that could also be like a physical tool. It could
be like something like a spirit box that be able to access these those words
on that low frequency. Okay, yeah, see that's again, this is
why I love having the other side of the brain sitting across the table from
me, because I went straight for psychic abilities. But I didn't think about
like like the envoy for example. Yeah. Yeah, So that's one of
the things that really fascinated me with that was that if this is really such
a See when I heard that, the first thing I thought was the One
Consciousness, which is in the Yeah, oh my god, we gotta get
Alan Greenfield in here right now. Yeah, he knows his ears are itching.
Hunter, I guarante. I bet I get a message from Alan within
the next forty eight hours like, hey, you guys, do you guys
doing something crazy? You should be doing? What are you doing? But
yeah, the one consciousness, because that would make sense if it has infinite
memory from everything, not just humans. If that energy, if their words
hang in the air infinitely, that would be the world's memory at that point.
If you get access that oh, I love that I'm here for that.
So seeking out the recorded memories of a place was part of many ancient
cultures, but Babbage was likely the first person to write about what eventually became
known as place memory. By the late nineteenth century, with the rise of
spiritualism, which again, I know someone's gonna say, hey, why don't
you guys talk about the Fox Sisters. That's a whole another episode. That's
a whole other series. Science was increasingly being intertwined with the study of the
paranormal, and researchers were regularly called upon to explain ghost sightings. Place memory
quickly became a popular theory for spiritualists, who sought to explain why an unseen
presence could be heard during seances or uncovered by the gifted presences of mediums.
The concept of place memory speculates that people become linked to places for various reasons.
Perhaps the place held a lot of meaning for someone when they were alive,
or maybe they tragically died there under gruesome circumstances. At that time,
many people believe that ghosts floated around us at will or attached to a certain
person. On the other hand, Placemenbery suggested that spirits became connected to certain
places. This idea of ghosts becoming rooted to a site probably sounds very familiar.
Many of our contemporary theories around the paranormal and especially have the same ghost
into saying the same places is based on the concept of place memory. So
you know what I love about this? On Supernatural? Oh my god,
what are the the spirit stalkers? What are they called ghost facers? Spirit
stalkers would have way cooler the ghost facers when they when they reintroduce these guys.
So I didn't realize it was like a running gag. And what's funny
is Tyler kind of prepared me. He's like, Hey, some episodes all
go off the fucking rails. Yeah, yeah, they really did, didn't
they. But that's one of them. But what's funny is is the episode
that they kind of return to. They have their own little TV show deals
with place memory, and I think they even use the term. And that's
why I keep saying someone on the Supernatural riding team knows their shit things.
They don't let that guy talk a whole lot, but when they do,
it's like, way to god, damn minute, this is way out there.
It's probably like that. You remember the episode where they had the horror
movie film Yes, and that one guy actually with writing a summoning ritual into
Yes their books and into the actual script. Yeah, it's probably he's probably
actually trying to do that with Supernatural. I could see that. It turns
out that Hellyer wasn't the initiation. Supernatural has been the initiation. Okay,
So psychometry and leaving traces, this is this kind of they are. They
overlap, but they cannot be confused with one another. And that's something that
I think happens a lot, and I see a lot of young investigators confuse
psychometry with place memory and with residual hauntings. The three. They while they
run in the same group, they are not the same thing. And that's
very important to keep in mind as I kind of continue. They're like part
of a species. Yes, So place memory is very closely associate associated with
psychometry, the idea that you can learn about a person or place by touching
an object connected with that person or place. Joseph Rhodes Buchanan came up with
the term psychomet which means measuring the soul, in eighteen forty two. He
was interested in the impressions that people left on objects, but also claimed that
we could unlock and interpret those imprints with the right techniques. Although many paranormal
enthusiasts are probably familiar with this idea today, like place memory, psychometry is
very new in the nineteenth century, although place memory and psychometry suggested that ghosts
may become attached to a certain place, there was no explanation of why or
how. As scientists continued to study the elements and develop their understandings of physics
and chemistry, they struggled to find explanations for the supernatural. But it seemed
most people in the late nineteenth century were content to accept that ghosts were able
to attach to objects. Besides, spiritualists were focused on perfecting their communication techniques.
By the nineteen thirties, place memory was still a popular explanation for paranormal
activity among spiritualists, but the theory was about to get a much broader attention.
So I want to kind of take a step back from this for a
second, because, Okay, so let's say you have a family member,
Like for me, it's my mom. She wore this super cheap walmart Rose
perfume, and I don't remember the name of it was rose something it came
into like a less impressive bath and body works like spray bottle. Yeah.
And every time I smelled that perfume, my first thought is the first time
I remember my mom and dad going out to get dinner, like leaving us
at home, they went out on a date, and I smelled that perfume
for the first I'm instantly transported back to that moment. And so when I
think as psychometry, that's kind of where my brain goes is I've attached this
memory. I've attached this person to this scent. So when I smell it
in a grocery store, I instantly I'm transported back to being seven years old
and seeing my mom get ready for her date. That's sense memory, though
that's not like your senses memory, that's not your Yeah, but it's still
an imprint. And that's kind of how I feel because let me take it
a step further. So, I grew up hearing about how my dad was
great at basketball and how my uncle was great at basketball, and they had
this like my dad had the super shitty like University of Tennessee t shirt Tennessee
volunteers shirt. I wore that playing basketball one day and I felt like I
could feel my dad and uncle playing basketball when they were my age. Like
I felt like I was like feeling the imprint that they left on the same
jersey that he had worn. That would be that then, because your mom
didn't end print on you, the perfume didn't imprint on you. You associated
the perfume with a memory. Yeah, that is your brain's perception. Your
dad and your uncle imprinted on the jersey, or your dad did at least
I don't know if your uncle ever actually wore the jersey, but your dad
had a lot of memories attached to that jersey. Now, let's say that
you had that perfume with you. Let's say you kept her bottle specifically,
and you had attached your memories, your feelings, your whatever to that bottle
of perfume, and you gave it to me, then I would probably be
able to feel your feelings about her from that bottles. Does that make sense?
Yeah, No, it absolutely makes sense. I just kind of use
that as as like how my brain, yeah, to dissected this because another
way that I want to look at this is like a great example will be
when we watched Hellyer, then we went to Somerset for the first time.
We kind of had these preconceived notions of what to expect, what to expect,
and what was going to occur. And I had this thought as I
was doing the research. So, I don't know, I'm sure you remember
the first time we found the Strawberry Cave, we call it Strawberry Cave.
It's blocked off now so we can actually say the name. The name.
I cannot believe they've blocked it off. So but what we had seen,
Greg new Kirk and Tyler Shrank go to the back of the cave. We
found the cave completely by accident. That's the best part, as we found
it by fucking accident. Yeah. So Tyler, Terry and I go to
the back of this cave and we're hearing the same whispering voices noises that they
heard. And I had this thought of did our memory of Tyler and Greg
influence what we saw or is it the location? Did their knowledge of whispering
in voices and people being in the caves? Did that was that created mentally
because they had heard about it beforehand, or is it actually actively occurring?
No. See, that just comes down to self doubt because that's something you
do on any investigation, not just us, but anyone. Is am I
actually saying our hearing this? Or is it because I knew X, Y,
and Z before I got here? Yeah, And that's why I think
it's dangerous and why when we went to prospect purposefully, like we ignored watching
thing and we did something very similar for Randolph. We end up watching the
don't we watched some fucking show before we had gone. But I started not
wanting to do that, not wanting to really know the history because I want
genuine reactions. I want to be able to scientifically deduce that I didn't know
that. You know, little Billy Bob was a kid who passed away in
this place, So I didn't want to know anything. So if I get
fine information associated with him, if I hear something through a spirit box,
yeah, that makes it even more genuine. Now it's like it's like an
estis method for investigations. Yeah. But now on the other side of things,
we have gone to locations that we didn't know the history of, and
Randolph was a good example of that. We didn't really know a lot of
the history of Randolph. We knew very little when we actually got there the
first time. There are parts of that building that don't feel right there,
something like you can tell something bad happened here. And then a great example
of this is when we were upstairs where the jail cell. I don't I'm
not sure. I think you were setting up or something. But it was
Nathan, myself and Austin. We were upstairs where the jail cell was,
and I was like, man it, I don't like how it feels up
here. I don't know what it is. Everything everyone else feels fine.
And Nathan's like, oh, well, the room you're standing in. Allegedly
some of the residents here threw someone out the window and killed them because they
had like a little mafia here. I had no idea. I didn't know
that that was part of the history. But I was, you know,
I remember I was touching the walls, I was touching the windows. I
was like trying to get a connection to the place, if that makes sense.
And then Nathan tells me the history. It's like, oh well,
now what is that? Is that? Exactly what it is? That psychometry
at that point because the location, I feel like influenced my line of thinking.
But I didn't see someone get thrown out the window. I didn't have
the inkling that someone got thrown out the window. I just had the inkling
of something doesn't feel right about this room, and I can't put my finger
on it. I don't know. It's definitely weird, so kind of ending
off here. In the early twentieth century, Henry H. Price advanced this
theory about a psychic ether. He proposed that there was a realm where memories
or thoughts were permanently stored. Price said that psychics and other others that were
connected with the spiritual world were able to access this realm and interpret the memories
of a housed Henry H. Price also speculated that memories could attach themselves to
places, and then he played back again at a later date. He strongly
believed that our human memories were also president in another realm, and occasionally we
may may be able to get glimpses into this unknown world, which is what
we kind of talk about with you piercing the veil sing on the other side.
The idea of place memory was started to starting to attract new thinkers.
By nineteen sixty one, the idea received even more popular attention when Thomas Charles
Letherbridge published Ghosting Ghoul, a popular collection of his personal experiences with the uncanny
encounter. During his career as an archaeologist. Believing strictly in science, he
was searching for an alternative explanation for the supernatural that made scientific sense. He
concluded that there were still things about the Earth to be uncovered, but perhaps
impressions or memories can be stored in fields of energy. According to Lethbridge,
there were unseen and these were unseen and often inaccessible, but sometimes humans encountered
these fields of energy and resulted in paranormal encounters. That makes me think of
John Keel when he talks about going through the areas of fear where he has
no preconceived idea, no information about the location, but he's just suddenly fucking
terrified for no reason whatsoever. Then he goes to quarter mile up the road
and he's he's completely fine. That's what makes me kind of, you know,
go to that point. So the actual Stone Tape Lethbridge books was likely
the main source of inspiration for the nineteen seventy two filmed The Stone Tape in
the Terrify This terrifying spooky tale, a group of researchers try to find how
memories are being recorded in the stones of a Victorian mansion. As the name
implies, the films show stones taking a tape recording of events and then later
playing them back on a loop without explanation for scared witnesses. The same idea
of dark memories stored in stones inspired a number of other productions, including the
movies Prints of Darkness and Poultugeist. By the late twentieth century, belief in
the stone tape theory or residual hauntings was commonplace amongst the paranormal investigators. Many
pointed to ancient cultural beliefs about spiritual stones and the importance of numerous cultures have
placed on certain objects and landscapes. The theory suggested that why some places are
more haunted than others, and why the same events seem to repeat themselves in
some hauntings. It also explained a common type of paranormal events where witnesses describe
figures going about their everyday lives without any recognition or I'm sorry, without any
recognition of another presence, or hearing disembodied sounds like footsteps, are putting the
same actions again and again and again. So the other the only other thing
I really want to talk about here has got to be the Hans Holzer's story.
So a little bit of background. It's a pretty intriguing theory that ghosts
don't come from outside our world at all, but rather from within, so
like we're creating them. In this line of reasoning, ghosts are not a
product of supernatural energy or strange forces of nature, but are rather extensions of
the mind reaching out through little understood psychic powers, creating seemingly real constructs projected
onto the physical world solely through the power of the subconscious mind. These thought
forms are often referred to as tulpas or Edgar Goore's there's a there is a
subtle difference, but we don't have time for that right now, And they
can even be generated by people who are not even aware they're doing it.
The forms often appear, appearing to materialize or vanish at will, depending on
the mental state of the individual or individuals projecting them. So an interesting historical
example of a ghost is a tulpa, according to occurred in the nineteen sixties
when a paranormal researcher by the name of Hans Holzer was looking into a series
of hauntings in the building of twelve Gay Street in New York City, which
involved an apparition most commonly described as a tall gentleman dressed in black formal clothing
wearing a top hat, a black cape, and a cane. So a
lot of people don't really know this, but the whole hat Man like consistent
haunting. This is where it came from. And I find that very intriguing
because in twenty twenty three, I still see like Reddit posts about seeing the
hat Man. Oh yeah, people are still talking about there's documentaries out about
it everywhere. Yeah, Like that to me is crazy. This fandom was
said to walk around the darkened premises and surrounding area at night, startling people,
only did then disappear. Holser would go on to publish this case in
this nineteen sixty six paranormal book, Yankee Ghost, and That's where things that
rather bizarre. Indeed, according to an author named Walter B. Gibson,
he had lived in that very same build not long before Holdser began his investigation.
Gibson claimed that he had been living there in order to do research for
an installment for his series of novels starring a batman like crime fighter called the
Shadow. So absorbed was he in writing his envisioning the Shadow roaming about the
streets and the premises that he would often even hallucinate his character, who just
happened to wield a cane and where formal evening clothes a cape and a top
hat. The author likely would have attributed this to pure tiredness an obsession with
his character, and this would have continued had he not read han Holzer's book.
He was immediately taken aback by the similarities between the ghosts and his character,
as well as the fact that the sightings were taking place in the exact
same place he had lived while writing his novel at around the same time,
and he became convinced that what he had seen was an actual projection of his
character from his mind, which had somehow transferred into reality. That's incredible and
that's terrifying. At the same time, it's complicated too. Yeah, it's
very complicated. But again that's when we get into what is a ghost.
That's the kind of way it needs to carry because there's so many different types,
there's so many different types of explanations. It's crazy. Yeah. So
with that being said, miss brittany where. What are your thoughts when it
comes to ghost Do you believe in ghosts? That's I guess the question to
ask. You're not supposed to belief as the enemy, But I would say
there's definitely weird things happening everywhere and a lot of different things that we do.
So but it's just like aliens, like like you're not going to say,
oh, that is for sure a little green eat. You have to
keep keep it casting a wide net and hope something gets caught. I would
completely agree. So with that being said, let us know what you guys
think of this series. I know we kind of went back to basics a
little bit, We kind of went through a lot of different types of conversation,
But I think that it's that it's important because I do believe that too.
Off then do we just hear the term ghost and we instantly put it
into a little box of our own personal classifications, Like we have accepted that
we know what a ghost is, and by we I mean as individuals,
we know what a ghost is. So when someone says I saw a ghost,
we've already made up our mind what they what they actually saw. Yeah,
we don't feel like we have to have a conversation about it, about
what we believe, what each person believes a ghost is. And I think
that kind of connects to the fact that a lot of the individual camps don't
talk to each other paranormal and hauntings and then aliens and then cryptids. Yeah,
I think the more information we can share with each other and find out
the better. Oh, I completely agree, because we're going to get into
it with cryptids. What happens when mothman is a tulba? Yeah, Like
that's that. I want to just brush on that theory real fast. Someone
brought that to me recently. Hey, you know, Point Pleasant was a
failing town, Like, yeah, they they needed something to get them on
the map or they were not going to survive. The coal industry was while
it was thriving, we knew in the sixties it wasn't going to last forever.
The Interstates were becoming a thing, so towns like Point Pleasant River trading
towns weren't the same necessity they were even forty years prior. Yeah, So
what happens when an entire town knows like, we're not going to be here
in fifty years if something doesn't change and then all of a sudden, we
have a moth man in our town has a mascot. Yep, just saying.
So, with that being said, Miss Britney, with the exception of
having to bring up again, we're having the Phantom Farm premiere watch party this
Saturday over on Patreons. If you guys want to join us, watch the
documentary early, get a little bit of behind the scenes director stuff. Make
sure you check us out at patreon dot com slash Tails from the Dark Phantom
Farm. We'll be releasing February fifteenth. We don't know what time, Yeah,
February fifteenth, sometime for sure it's the fifteenth. I just yeah,
I gotta figure out what's as I know what time it'll be able to let
you guys know. Yeah, join the Facebook group, get updates by everything
like that. And I hope you guys are doing well. Yeah, I
hope you guys are surviving this one or it's not kicking your ass like it's
been kicking ours. So with that being said, must as anything else that
you'd like to add, I do not. I think we're gona to add
this episode of ghosts just ghosts to our never ending but are always growing tails
from the dark. The s