WEBVTT 1 00:00:08.759 --> 00:00:23.120 He was cold cold. It was then he was cold, barn. What's 2 00:00:23.160 --> 00:00:31.120 going on up there? Could be the most important event in history? Now, 3 00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:40.960 I'm the cold destroy our worlds, I said. I hope this is 4 00:00:41.200 --> 00:01:03.799 close to hell? Is all? Ever? Again? Hello and welcome back 5 00:01:03.879 --> 00:01:07.400 to the Tales from the Dark podcast. I'm your host, Bob. You're 6 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:10.159 with my co host Brittany. Hey, guys, what's up Brittany, how's 7 00:01:10.159 --> 00:01:11.640 it going. It's it's been it's been what two weeks, I think, 8 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:15.159 so it's been a little bit And I'm sorry guys, it was kind of 9 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:22.079 crazy. Yeah, this winner has just had everyone in like a vice gript 10 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:26.040 when it comes to getting sick, and then just the winter depression seems to 11 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:32.079 be real rough for everybody this year. Yeah. Absolutely, So be gentle 12 00:01:32.280 --> 00:01:36.000 with yourselves, guys, and and take some take some time for yourself, 13 00:01:36.079 --> 00:01:38.079 that's for sure. Yeah. We are big advocates for self care. Take 14 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:42.200 some self care time right now, because it's I don't know what it is 15 00:01:42.239 --> 00:01:46.239 about this winter. It was last year was bad, I remember, but 16 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:51.640 this year has been rough when it comes to just the creative juices aren't flowing 17 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:57.280 when it comes to uh anything now, And I think what makes it worse 18 00:01:57.519 --> 00:02:02.239 is you usually have like a normal cut off, like abrupt stop when it 19 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:07.599 comes to winter, and this one and for us, like our time in 20 00:02:07.640 --> 00:02:12.280 the winter as used for reflection, for planning and things like that, and 21 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:15.960 instead of it being okay, November first, it's a big snowstorm, you 22 00:02:16.039 --> 00:02:20.159 can't go anywhere, it just kind of trickled, and so we didn't really 23 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:23.599 get that kind of closure for going off and going on our ventures. And 24 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:27.639 so I think that also has a big part of it. Yeah, I 25 00:02:27.719 --> 00:02:32.879 would agree, and that with the awful weather here in Ohio where we had 26 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:36.520 what was it like six seven days in a row. It was back in 27 00:02:36.560 --> 00:02:38.680 the fifties and sixties, to the point that I was like, I'm gonna 28 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:40.599 get the Harley back out and we're gonna ride the bike. And then it 29 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:45.280 just crashed into single digits. Yeah, and then it's like two days it'll 30 00:02:45.319 --> 00:02:46.919 be freezing, then we'll get it. We had a pretty good amount of 31 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:51.560 snow that lasted all of forty eight hours, and then it went back to 32 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:55.439 warm and then it's back freezing again, and it's it's a really weird time 33 00:02:57.159 --> 00:03:00.280 because with Ohio winters, you know kind of like you just talked with a 34 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:06.520 drop off. Usually we hit the last week of December and December through February, 35 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:08.000 you know, up until men be the first week of March. It's 36 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:12.879 just dreadful and we kind of know what you expect, but it like pulls 37 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:14.719 you out of your shell and you're like, oh, let's let's go. 38 00:03:14.840 --> 00:03:16.800 Kentucky's calling us, let's hit Kentucky, let's hit West Virginia. Let's let's 39 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:20.479 get out. And oh, well this weekend it's gonna be back down to 40 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:23.439 three degrees. It's sixty five degrees today, we're making all these plans and 41 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:28.759 now it's two or three degrees three days later. Yeah, unfortunately. Yeah, 42 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:31.919 it's it's been rough. But what hasn't been rough has been the reaction 43 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:38.280 to the Phantom Farm trailer. Yes, so I don't think we actually we 44 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:42.759 release the trailer, but we haven't done an episode since we released trailers. 45 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:46.560 So yeah, anyone who is not in the patroon or in the Facebook group, 46 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:51.639 we have officially released the Phantom Farm trailer and that is up live now 47 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:54.039 on YouTube on the Tails from the Dark YouTube channel. I believe it's also 48 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:58.479 in the Facebook group as well, and we've posted a couple other places, 49 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:02.800 but Instagram, Twitter is another one, TikTok as well. Yep, it's 50 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:08.879 basically everywhere that we are. It's up. Yeah, yeah, it's well. 51 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:12.639 What's funny is I don't post a whole lot on like my personal Facebook, 52 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:17.319 and it has something like forty five shares something crazy, yeah, and 53 00:04:17.319 --> 00:04:20.240 over sixteen hundred views just alt the personal Facebook. Like I said, the 54 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:25.639 reaction was huge in the Facebook group, way more like positivity that I had 55 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:30.199 anticipated. And it's funny because we're always like the most critical on ourselves. 56 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:34.800 But I think this project specifically, it was such a labor of love, 57 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:38.959 and in the fact that it took us almost a year to get to the 58 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:43.439 point where we're showing people a trailer, I was very nervous putting it up. 59 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:47.240 So I definitely appreciate all the well wishes and the excitement for everybody. 60 00:04:47.240 --> 00:04:50.480 It is already up on Amazon Prime, but what's approved on Prime it's not 61 00:04:50.480 --> 00:04:56.879 available yet, and I don't know. I'm really excited. So I know 62 00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:00.800 this coming Saturday over on Patreon, we're gonna be doing a watch party. 63 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:05.680 Yeah watch early release premiere thing. It's so weird to say premiere because it's 64 00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:09.920 it really is like a movie. Yeah it's not. It's not a you 65 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:12.879 know, a YouTube video that's ten minutes long. We're gonna sit down a 66 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:16.240 dice second afterwards. It's a full fledged documentary. And Tyler did a great 67 00:05:16.279 --> 00:05:19.600 job with the editing, and everyone did a great job, with the exception 68 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:25.040 of Austin, who just I'm pretty sure is the reason that everything everyone's haunted. 69 00:05:25.160 --> 00:05:28.480 Yeah, that half the evidence actually existed. But speaking of haunted, 70 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:31.079 um, you know, it's kind of funny. Brohio has their their little 71 00:05:31.079 --> 00:05:35.560 studio ghost happening and we've been having some fuckery over here on our end as 72 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:40.199 well. God what happens, Well, for one, your your cat, 73 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:44.920 I'm pretty sure is tapping into the other side. Okay, my cat has 74 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:49.680 been on one recently and she knows exactly what I'm talking about. Like I'll 75 00:05:49.720 --> 00:05:54.160 say, hey, can you uh, what was that? Mama? What 76 00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:59.439 was that noise? And she will run and like make me follow her to 77 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:01.519 show me what that noise was, and she points it out every single time. 78 00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:05.439 Well, what was really weird was we we had this like banging noise 79 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:09.720 the other day and it was something happened in the bathroom. I think the 80 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:13.920 window closed or something, and she liked me out at you and made you 81 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:15.759 follow her into the bathroom to show you, like, hey, this this 82 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:20.480 is happening. Yeah, and then your tarot cards got taken out the other 83 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:26.560 day in place somewhere we were hearing weird noises. We were in the bedroom. 84 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:29.680 The door opened on its own, and then cats. Yeah, no, 85 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:31.519 no cats anywhere to be found. The doors opened on its own when 86 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:36.120 we were laying in bed, which is the reaction that I didn't have. 87 00:06:36.199 --> 00:06:39.680 You're like, you got to get back on a fucking investigation soon, Like 88 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:43.480 this is not a good reaction that you're having. You're not even looking at 89 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:46.240 this like it's paranormal, Like, oh, it's fine, Yeah, exactly, 90 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:48.720 it's fine, Like these are just things that occur. But it was 91 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:54.040 weird bec our door, our studio door, the cats can push open pretty 92 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:57.079 easily, but not our bedroom door though. Yeah. And we were just 93 00:06:57.160 --> 00:06:59.519 laying in bed and the doors opens up and you wick up of it out 94 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:00.560 of a dead like, yeah, that the bedroom door is open. I'm 95 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:03.519 like, it's fine, just go back to bed. The ghosts can wait 96 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:06.000 till the morning. I'm not worried about this right now. Yeah, that 97 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:09.360 was literally your reaction. I was so mad too. I was like, 98 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:13.519 get up close that door. I'm not dealing with this. Yeah. Well, 99 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:16.240 there's just been a lot of like weird noises in the house lately, 100 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:18.160 and I don't really know how to describe it. I mean, the other 101 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:24.639 day I went down on the basement to start laundry and I kept I didn't 102 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:28.000 see anything, but I just kept having this feeling like this someone was right 103 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:30.000 behind me. I hate our basement, Yeah, I really hate it. 104 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:34.079 The people who lived here before us like superglued this mirror, like like on 105 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:39.399 the far side of our basement that's probably twenty five thirty feet away, and 106 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:42.199 every tiod I turn around, I see my reflection and that mirror and it 107 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:45.319 scares the shit out of me time. But yeah, there is something weird 108 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:47.240 about our basement. Like I know everyone's gonna say, oh, you know, 109 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:53.000 basements are just creepy, but there's just like an unshakable feeling that there's 110 00:07:53.199 --> 00:07:57.680 someone watching you or something in the basement with you. And we don't really 111 00:07:57.680 --> 00:08:03.000 have a reason to think that apart from like it's just fucking creepy. Yeah, 112 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:07.160 it's a very creepy basement, which is unfortunate because like we would have 113 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:11.120 so much more room to do stuff like put some hobbies down there, but 114 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:13.959 I can't. Well yeah, well that's that's funny. When we got into 115 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:16.920 D and D, I tried to like clean it up down there and put 116 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:20.040 a little D and D area, and it just quickly turned into yeah, 117 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:24.639 there's no way, fucking way, absolutely not. Yeah, so we just 118 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:28.160 convert our studio into a little bit of everything and it works out. Yeah. 119 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:33.240 I mean we say it works out, but we're like two hobbies away 120 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:39.440 from having to to move and get another bedroom just like strap myself to the 121 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:41.399 ceiling and start working upside down. Yeah. Well it's funny. We we 122 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:46.879 had the cast watch party, and it just you don't realize how small a 123 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:50.440 room is until it's full of like five six people and you're like, oh 124 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:52.720 shit, this is this is problematic. Yeah, we have to do something 125 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:56.279 about this. But with that being said, the uh, you know, 126 00:08:56.320 --> 00:09:01.159 we kind of had this idea for this little mini series we're going to do, 127 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:03.639 and it's kind of just getting back to basics and where the idea came 128 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:09.360 from. I stumbled across this really interesting article that discusses is your house haunted? 129 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:13.320 Or doesn't have a haunted personality, and I kind of started thinking about 130 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:16.000 that. I'm like, you know, we kind of started with Tails from 131 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:20.320 the Dark with the assumption that everyone was initiated for lack of a better term, 132 00:09:20.360 --> 00:09:26.639 when it comes to the paranormal, and yet we never really started at 133 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:28.840 the beginning to say, well, what is a ghost, what is a 134 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:31.320 haunting? What is it to us? Because that's something that's been very surprising. 135 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:35.320 Over the last I don't know, six or so months, I've consumed 136 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:43.360 a bunch of paranormal content and it's funny to see people's different reactions in different 137 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:50.919 assumptions and assessments of what paranormal actually is. And I think as podcasters or 138 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:54.159 as people, you kind of just assume everyone thinks the same way that you 139 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:58.639 do. Yeah, and yet when you talk to them like, oh, 140 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:01.960 you think a ghost is just a p what an actuality? You know, 141 00:10:01.039 --> 00:10:05.000 someone else might think, oh, it's just a tan can, totally normal. 142 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:07.960 So so before we get into it, I want to ask what is 143 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:11.600 a paranormal experience to Brittany, Like, when you think when someone's like I 144 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:16.519 had a paranormal experience before they go into the story, what do you think 145 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:18.240 that is, like what does that mean to you? Like, what's the 146 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:22.279 first thing that pops in my head when someone if they don't tell me what 147 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:28.919 their paranormal experience was, I would think like a door slamming, Like I 148 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:31.559 think that's the most common thing for me, or like an object moving. 149 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:37.000 Okay, when it comes to what the actual experience is, when it comes 150 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:43.279 to the ghost itself the most, I'd probably think the one I would think 151 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:48.120 of the most would be just stay. A residual haunting, I think would 152 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:50.559 be the first type of paranormal I would I would think of, yeah, 153 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:56.279 And see, that's what I find hilarious is in the trailer for fanom Farmer, 154 00:10:56.279 --> 00:10:58.159 You're like, yeah, this is my first ghost hunt. I found 155 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:01.360 a body bag and speak of which the amount of people were like, hey, 156 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:05.519 what was in that fucking bag? Looking Yeah, well you'll find out. 157 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:09.080 You got to watch Phantom Farm. But it's interesting because like again, 158 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:11.279 like you don't you don't come from a paranormal background and get you know about 159 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:16.799 residual hauntings. And see, what I would love to do is get like 160 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:20.879 ten fifteen paranormal investigator, like hardcore investigators say hey, what's what's an experience 161 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:24.039 like for you, because we talk to Austin, you know, almost on 162 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:28.000 a daily basis, and he has all these strange things happening to him, 163 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:33.440 around him, to people that he's connected to, and he doesn't really think 164 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:35.960 that it's a ghost or that it's paranormal. And yet some people, if 165 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:39.639 you know, a door slammed their houses on it, they're calling dan ackrooid 166 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:45.440 like they're getting the Ghostbusters together. This is a problem, and for me 167 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:48.000 it's kind of weird. You guys will see this in the documentary and you'll 168 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:54.840 will dissect it after the fifteenth when it comes out publicly. Um, it 169 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:56.759 takes a lot for me to say, yes, this is paranormal. And 170 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:01.399 I don't know why that is because, like, for example, a door 171 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:05.200 slamming or a door opening, if I know that there's no root cause for 172 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:09.080 that, and I can't prove that this happened because the wind blew, I 173 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:11.559 should be able to just like kind of blindly accept oh, this is probably 174 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:16.120 paranormal, this is probably something weird. And yet for me, I have 175 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:18.360 to take it a step further. I want to I have to see an 176 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:24.360 apparition, I have to get touched, I have to like, I don't 177 00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:26.639 know. I think I've set the bar a little too high and I have 178 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:31.120 to reel that back in when it comes to I guess paranormal in general, 179 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:37.120 because again, people have such a varied explanation for what they think a ghost 180 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:43.559 is. I think we need to kind of readjust what we believe is an 181 00:12:43.559 --> 00:12:48.399 experience or an encounter, if that makes sense, because I think there's just 182 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:50.360 like there's there's we're setting this too high. I think like shows like ghost 183 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:56.039 Hunters and Ghost Adventures of just like you have to see a full bodied apparition 184 00:12:56.120 --> 00:12:58.240 and has to throw a brick at you, take it shirt off and do 185 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:01.080 the worm for it to be a ghost, just when an actuality, it 186 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:03.879 could be something as simple as, like you said, an object moving. 187 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:09.679 We'll see for me. I think another issue when it comes to paranormal investigations 188 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:16.039 and things like that is that while there's a lot of information out there available 189 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:20.519 for what paranormal is, and there's all the different opinions, I think there's 190 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:24.879 also an issue with clarity with that information. And I think it also gets 191 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:31.360 twisted with own personal experiences and obviously, if you experience something that's life changing, 192 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:35.360 it's going to change your beliefs. Yeah, but at the same time, 193 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:41.320 I think there's too much bias in this field to actually come up with 194 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:46.879 good scientific evidence, honestly. See. And that's what has been so interested 195 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:52.120 in doing this little series on Cryptid's ghosts and paranormal or what are UFOs? 196 00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:58.360 I'm sorry, has got to be I want to hear from the scientific side 197 00:13:58.360 --> 00:14:01.039 of your brain, like because it's it's still that's one of my favorite things 198 00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:07.960 is you approach things from the the traditional scientific method of science has taught me 199 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:11.720 X and so why needs to be the answer when we've found out that X 200 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:16.480 can equal spaghettios depending on the situation. So I would agree with that. 201 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:18.919 Now, let me ask, is this because we're you know, we're marathoning 202 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:24.559 through Supernatural. We're on season five. We just started season five, which 203 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:28.480 I'm hearing is as some people's favorites. That's something about the show that I 204 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:33.440 actually love is they they don't seem to ever muddy the waters that they Okay, 205 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:37.440 well, this is a ghoul, and this is a ghoul. It's 206 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:41.120 a fucking ghoul. We're hunting a ghoul. It's not it could be a 207 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:45.440 ghoul, but also a mummy, Tulpa, werewolf, there's no muddying the 208 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:50.360 waters, like they're able to compartmentalize in such a unique way of Okay, 209 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:52.840 this is what we're hunting, why we're hunting it, the history, and 210 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:58.559 how we kill it, and it's it. To me, that's kind of 211 00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:01.559 I think how you have to approach to the paranormal is it's not it's it's 212 00:15:01.559 --> 00:15:05.080 black and white once you've proven it's black and white. But you always have 213 00:15:05.159 --> 00:15:09.360 that kind of call to action, or they're when they're trying to figure out 214 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:11.720 what is what are we dealing with? It could be this, this, 215 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:15.799 and this for these reasons, and then once they kind of rule out the 216 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:20.159 other things, they hard focus on just the goal is coming to mind because 217 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:24.679 they thought it was something else entirely until they had reason to believe otherwise. 218 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:28.000 And I feel like in the paranormal world, like you said, it's all 219 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:33.240 so muddy, where because Brittany experienced the door shutting, it has to be 220 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:37.120 a residual haunting When I could say that sounds like a Poultergeist to me. 221 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:41.840 But we both can't be right, or can we? And I think that 222 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:46.440 that's where paranormal investigators are getting a little too lost in the weeds with it 223 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:52.519 only fits the narrative if it's a poulter geist, I think labeling, So 224 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:56.240 that's like where the polar opposites are. For me, is like the scientific 225 00:15:56.279 --> 00:15:58.639 as the side of my brain wants to say, Okay, label organizing, 226 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:03.039 cat g eyes, every single thing, every single inch of a place. 227 00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:08.279 Yeah, But at the same time, labels adhere to belief. Belief is 228 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:14.720 the enemy. So it's kind of like a walking, talking contradiction. But 229 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:21.399 yeah, um, when it comes to actual scientific beliefs in the paranormal and 230 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:26.360 the research done through scientists for paranormal activity, a lot of people don't actually 231 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:30.720 give any credit to it at all. They all think it's either human error, 232 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:34.799 So that would be your perception, that would be your um, what 233 00:16:34.919 --> 00:16:42.919 was it called when you can see faces paraphernilia padilla or something. Yeah, 234 00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:45.799 when you look at an image and you think you see something there but it's 235 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:51.720 not actually yeah, face recognition, face association. Um, Basically, your 236 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:56.200 brain is working to try to associate things that understands to something it might not 237 00:16:56.320 --> 00:17:00.320 understand. Run away, Okay, so a lot that's hang on. That's 238 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:06.440 really fucking well. Put I guess I've never really listen to someone explain it 239 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:08.559 that way, but that's that's exactly what it is. It's your brain making 240 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:15.720 sense of you know, it's assigning a belief based off past experiences because you 241 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:18.680 don't understand something in the moment. That's a really good way to put it. 242 00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:23.599 Yeah, So your brain operates on perception and beliefs all the time. 243 00:17:23.839 --> 00:17:30.160 Because one of the articles I read talked about how all your senses, so 244 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:33.200 you're touched, you're hearing, your smell, all your senses, your vision 245 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:38.880 are constantly being bombarded in the real world, and it is your brain's job 246 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:44.319 to tell you what to focus on. So if I'm looking at that poster 247 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:48.440 behind you or that tapestry, I'm focusing on that. Everything else that gets 248 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:53.119 blurry, and that's my brain's job saying, Okay, this is what we 249 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:56.599 need to focus on. If you hear all these other things, if you 250 00:17:56.640 --> 00:18:00.519 see all these other things, you're going to get distracted and I can't understand 251 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:03.079 what you're trying to tell me. So does that make sense? Yeah, 252 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:07.599 no, get tunel vision. Yeah, it's tunnel vision. So a lot 253 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:11.200 of people say that one of the reasons why they experience paranormal activity, and 254 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:15.960 a lot of the scientists say is because of misperception, is because your brain 255 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:18.640 saying, hey, that looks like a human, when in reality it was 256 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:26.319 just a shadow. Interesting. I feel like scientists who are researching this field 257 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:33.920 and not giving it credit are not giving enough credit to human emotion. For 258 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:37.039 one, because these are some of the things that we've heard of and some 259 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:41.920 of the things that people are actually going through have real world impacts on their 260 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:48.279 emotions and their emotional state. And I also feel like scientists aren't giving enough 261 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:53.799 credit to people who actually understand what they're talking about. It's like how the 262 00:18:56.240 --> 00:19:00.119 spin doctors for the Air Force will go and tell pilot, well, you 263 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:03.400 don't really know what a plane looks like, Well, sir, I've I've 264 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:07.079 been flying one for fifty years. I feel like a lot of that happens 265 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:10.640 in the paranormal as well. Oh, I agree, And I do feel 266 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:18.200 like there's also a people are are misunderstanding the importance of perception. And I 267 00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:25.279 say that because as someone who doesn't really believe in the traditional psychic mediums. 268 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:27.039 And again, we'll do a full episode on that at some point, but 269 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:30.440 I don't necessarily believe that someone just born with Okay, I walk in, 270 00:19:30.519 --> 00:19:37.079 I can feel Yeah, that's an angry forty two year old, aquarious yet 271 00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:40.759 burgundy pants. I don't really believe in that, but I do believe that 272 00:19:40.799 --> 00:19:45.920 some people are sensitive to feeling energy. And I think there's not enough credit 273 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:49.599 given to that. And I say that because in Phantom Farmer specifically, there 274 00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:53.079 is a time where I'm walking with Austin. He's like, it kind of 275 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:59.680 just doesn't feel norm How do I explain it? It doesn't feel like it 276 00:19:59.720 --> 00:20:03.960 did two hours ago. I didn't pick up on that at all. Now, 277 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:07.240 Austin has been on way more investigations than all of us combined, realistically, 278 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:12.599 but he picked up on something's not quite right within twenty minutes of him 279 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:18.240 saying that we caught the most convincing paranormal footage and evidence that I've ever seen. 280 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:21.839 And again I'm not just saying that because I'm on a two or on 281 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:25.880 horn, but it legitimately is like, it was incredible what we caught on 282 00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:30.880 camera, and he felt that before it happened. He just said something. 283 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:33.319 You know, we didn't say I feel a ghost or I'm feeling you know 284 00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:37.359 Ida for example, or something. He just said, something doesn't really feel 285 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:41.559 right right now, something feels different about the floor that we're on, and 286 00:20:42.480 --> 00:20:45.559 that has stuck out to me. As you know, I wonder how many 287 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:48.480 times we've gone to a location, we've been in a cave, for example, 288 00:20:49.079 --> 00:20:52.759 and something didn't feel right, but we just didn't say something because we 289 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:56.839 you know, because you don't ever want to be this scared person on an 290 00:20:56.880 --> 00:20:59.319 investigation, and you don't want to seem like you're trying to be you know, 291 00:20:59.480 --> 00:21:03.480 cry or you know, be the baby. But I think that there 292 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:07.359 is a an opening that needs to be I don't want to say exploited, 293 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:12.160 but needs to be explored when it comes to human perception, because I think 294 00:21:12.160 --> 00:21:17.319 that it's just being under used and undervalued. And I wonder if we approach 295 00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:19.640 that from the scientific side, is there something about our brain, about our 296 00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:25.599 senses that can explain that from a scientific perspective, Like when you know you're 297 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:26.799 being watched, for example, I know there's a term for it, like 298 00:21:27.079 --> 00:21:30.960 you know how there's a bunch of different studies that have been done that you 299 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:33.960 can tell when someone's staring at you in a room, even if you haven't 300 00:21:34.079 --> 00:21:37.440 seen them with your own eyes, you can tell when someone's staring at you. 301 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:41.279 I wonder if it's along those same lines. Well, I think that 302 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:48.759 that specific instance spoils down to something called instinct basically, Yeah, like primal 303 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:53.440 instinct, survival skills, things like that that we've not how to utilize, 304 00:21:53.640 --> 00:22:00.400 thankfully in recent thousands years. But survival instincts is something that was in our 305 00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:07.440 blood and helped us evolve as a creature, as a basically smaller being as 306 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:11.039 a species. Yeah, as a species. So interesting. So what is 307 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:15.519 a ghost in your opinion, like, what is I know that's a loaded 308 00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:21.839 questions. Yeah, so we'll get into what other people perceive as a ghost, 309 00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:26.720 But me personally I am I am back and forth when it comes to 310 00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:30.960 what is a ghost. I also, if you're need to the show, 311 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:34.200 I don't believe in demons. I don't believe in exorcisms. I don't believe 312 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:37.720 in any of that kind of stuff. And it's funny because that's a lot 313 00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:41.839 of people's like bread and butter when it comes to parallel invest Oh, we're 314 00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:45.960 dealing with a nasty demon. No, I'm on the record saying I stand 315 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:48.319 by it. I think if you were an asshole when you were alive, 316 00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:56.279 you're probably still an asshole when you're dead. Yeah, And I hate to 317 00:22:56.400 --> 00:22:59.319 be that guy because it's kind of a cop out answer. Well, I 318 00:22:59.319 --> 00:23:03.000 just don't believe in demons. But it has nothing to do with religion as 319 00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:07.839 much as it just has to do with I think it's just energy in some 320 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:10.799 way, shape or form. I think it's energy. And again that that 321 00:23:10.799 --> 00:23:15.160 could also be perceived as a cop out answer, because residual hauntings I firmly 322 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:18.400 believe in. I think and if you aren't familiar with what the term residual 323 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:22.119 means, Basically, when you hear someone say residual haunting, it's it's like, 324 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:26.680 let's say Brittanya bake the cake every Tuesday morning for thirty years after she 325 00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:30.799 passes, if we still see her baking a cake, but she doesn't interact 326 00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:33.519 with us, she doesn't even acknowledge our existence. But she's in the kitchen 327 00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:37.319 baking that cake. That is a residual haunting. It's basically an imprint on 328 00:23:37.359 --> 00:23:41.559 a location or a building, or a time frame, what have you where 329 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:45.960 It's just a repetition and cycled because her energy, her love, her passion 330 00:23:45.079 --> 00:23:49.400 was cake making. So for me, it's it's got to be energy. 331 00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:52.119 That's got to be the only answer I can give. And I say that 332 00:23:52.359 --> 00:23:57.240 because we've now done two investigations with Austin. I think that there's something about 333 00:23:57.319 --> 00:24:00.960 Austin Lawrence and I don't know what it is. And I'm not saying this 334 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:03.519 to hype up his book sales or hype the documentary him as a person. 335 00:24:04.279 --> 00:24:08.880 I think he attracts a certain type of energy to him. And it's funny 336 00:24:08.920 --> 00:24:15.000 because we've all I've talked to everyone that was involved in the filming. Everyone 337 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:18.359 thinks that something is weird when it comes to us, and not you know, 338 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:21.960 he's a fucking weirdo. We know that we think that there's something about 339 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:25.599 it. He has a very warm, inviting, welcoming, I'll talk to 340 00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:29.480 you about anything personality. I mean a while ago, at like two in 341 00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:33.079 the morning, I message him and I'm like, Hey, can you tell 342 00:24:33.079 --> 00:24:37.319 me about film photography? He's like, fuck, yeah, no, prompt 343 00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:40.200 of well, why do you want to know? Oh, I'm busy. 344 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:44.640 Three hour long conversation about where it came from, how he does it, 345 00:24:44.759 --> 00:24:48.920 why his process is this way, the costs, why it's important to still 346 00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:52.839 use film photography, like he's that kind of person that I haven't seen a 347 00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:56.519 single person you reach out to him because they had a question in him, 348 00:24:56.559 --> 00:25:00.519 blow them off. And I think because I wonder if it's it's oh, 349 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:03.000 he's just haunted or more of Is he just that kind of a person? 350 00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:07.279 Is that his aura that he pushes out is everyone can come talk to me 351 00:25:07.359 --> 00:25:11.200 or be with me. So that includes all the ghosts. Yeah, but 352 00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:15.400 I think my answer it's just energy. And I think I think that that 353 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:19.119 is going to come forth in a bunch of different ways. Rather it be 354 00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:23.640 a residual haunting, a poultergeist, rather it be you know, knocking on 355 00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:27.680 a door, someone getting pushed, someone pushing our cat to try and eat 356 00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:30.400 me while I felt on the stairs. There's a bunch of different ways. 357 00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:34.640 I think it can be trusted. Yeah, but I do believe that I'm 358 00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:37.000 just gonna go with energy. I don't even want to say it's a person's 359 00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:42.160 soul because that that has a lot of implications. You get into that conversation, 360 00:25:42.279 --> 00:25:45.880 it's a completely different cat. Like, this episode's two hours long at 361 00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:48.960 that point, So what about you? What is a ghost to you? 362 00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:52.200 I mean, I would agree, I would agree with that I think the 363 00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:59.119 thing that bothers me right now, The question that's like burning is going through 364 00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:02.759 the articles, and we'll go through a couple of them as we progress in 365 00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:06.720 this episode. Going through the articles, One of the theories that we talked 366 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:11.960 about was which I'll let you introduce here a little bit, but basically it 367 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:15.359 talks about the the what kind of imprint do we leave? So we know 368 00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:22.680 of you know, karma, we know of actions have consequences. Those consequences 369 00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:26.680 can be good or bad. Absolutely, Now, when we talk about actions 370 00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:33.920 having consequences, it's usually something that can inflict that either good or bad consequence. 371 00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:37.559 So, yeah, if I kick a door, that door's not going 372 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:41.480 to budge and it's going to hurt my toe. Now, what does that 373 00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:45.119 mean when it comes to paranormal and energy? What kind of imprints do we 374 00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:51.200 leave in the world with things that we touch, things that we do, 375 00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:55.920 me grabbing a microphone right now, what kind of imprint does that leave? 376 00:26:56.720 --> 00:27:00.559 And one of the other interesting questions I have is there was a guy in 377 00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:04.200 the nineteenth century, it was on one of those articles that we just read, 378 00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:11.920 that had the theory about our words, and that he thought that every 379 00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:15.839 time we spoke a word, it hung in the air indefinitely, and if 380 00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:22.400 we had some way, some device, some type of ability to pull those 381 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:30.000 down, we would have access to the consciousness basically infinite memories. And if 382 00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:34.440 we had waited to interpret him, we could interpret anything, so that that 383 00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:41.720 theory basically transformed into the veil. What's beyond the veil the spirit world. 384 00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:45.759 And so there were a lot of scientists who believe that our memories and our 385 00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:52.640 thoughts and things we say became energy and stayed beyond the veil and stayed in 386 00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:56.000 this other realm, and that there are certain people and certain tools that make 387 00:27:56.039 --> 00:28:02.480 it like a rip that we can kind of through and here and pull down 388 00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:07.839 some information. And they also talked about how there are these certain places that 389 00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:15.039 could have energy rips, basically liminal places that would make it easier to cross 390 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:22.599 the thin veil. So what impact do we actually have to our environment, 391 00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:26.319 to our houses, to the places that we go, everything that we do. 392 00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:30.680 What impact does that truly have on the world? It's my question right 393 00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:33.759 now. Yeah, that's a very valid point. All right, So I 394 00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:37.039 want to get into this first article here, and then we're going to revisit 395 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:40.880 that line of questioning. I'm sure in UFOs as well, because in the 396 00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:47.480 UFO world that is becoming a more and more common explanation for the like the 397 00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:52.079 new UFO Wave and speaking to which I want to do a quick plug for 398 00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:55.359 another podcast. We don't do this very often. And granted, the two 399 00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:57.359 men that run this podcast, they don't need us to tell you it's good. 400 00:28:57.359 --> 00:29:00.440 We're gonna tell you it's good anyway. Oh yeah, the The Weaponized 401 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:06.440 Podcast Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp's new podcast. Their second episode just dropped. 402 00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:08.240 I haven't had a chance to listen to the second episode. The first episode. 403 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:17.240 I love the way that it's presented. The one thing I cannot stress 404 00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:22.119 enough is George Knapp's unique way of bringing a narration to life, a script 405 00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:27.480 to life when it comes to reporting. I don't know of anyone else that's 406 00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:33.319 doing it as well as he is in general right now. And now does 407 00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:37.079 that come from twenty five plus years of experience? You know, you tell 408 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:41.200 me, But there's something about George Knapp's storytelling that when he talks, he 409 00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:45.640 commands the room like you are. You are tuned in and you are hanging 410 00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:48.279 off every word. And their first episode was kind of just getting you ready 411 00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:52.119 for what the podcast is going to be about. But then they dove into, 412 00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:55.480 you know, Bob Blazar for example, and they kind of, you 413 00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:59.839 know, underhandedly slid some stuff about Bob that they've never really talked about on 414 00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:04.079 other podcasts, at least that we've listened to. And I'm extremely excited for 415 00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:08.240 what they have in store because it's not they're not discovering you a phos is. 416 00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:12.359 They're going to cover cryptids, conspiracies, the Mob, which anyone who 417 00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:18.720 knows George Knapp knows that he has some very interesting history when it comes to 418 00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:23.240 the Mob, especially the Las Vegas crime families. So I'm stoked. If 419 00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:26.799 you guys are looking for another show to listen to, I cannot recommend Weaponized. 420 00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:30.480 You know enough, those guys are fucking killing it well. I think 421 00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:34.480 it's definitely an itch that we've had for a long time because we've had to 422 00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:40.480 re listen to the Joe Rogan episodes with George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell. Yeah, 423 00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:45.319 and while I absolutely love those episodes, it doesn't feel like it's ever 424 00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:48.400 long enough. It doesn't ever feel like we're getting enough information. We're always 425 00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:52.480 wanting more and so for them to go out and create their own podcasts, 426 00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:56.880 I think was perfect timing. So oh, it was definitely it was. 427 00:30:57.079 --> 00:31:00.640 It was a need that I think that a lot of people didn't even realize 428 00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:04.720 was there. And I'm super stoked I would agree with that. Yeah, 429 00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:10.559 so this article comes from Craig Wiler or Wheeler, I'm not sure to pronounce 430 00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:12.480 your last name, and some paranormal Daily News. I want to get Craig 431 00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:15.920 on the show because I think he would be a really fun guests. So 432 00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:18.200 if you guys like this article, let me know and I'll see if we 433 00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:22.960 can't get Craig on the show. But the title of the article is is 434 00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:27.519 my house haunted? A general buildings contractor weighs in. Now, I kind 435 00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:32.279 of have to preface I already fell in love with this article by the title, 436 00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:37.000 because the first thing that we do when we go into any place we're 437 00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:40.079 investigating is we kind of take the temperature and we say take the temperature. 438 00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:45.079 It's not just screening for em. We're trying to see. Okay, just 439 00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:51.359 stare number four pop when you walk on it. Okay, is the banister 440 00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:55.319 wobbly? Is it missing some bolts? Does this door latch all the way 441 00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:59.799 we're doing all these things, because there's so many times at least for me 442 00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:02.960 in the past ten fifteen years that spants to say, my house is haunted. 443 00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:07.480 And yet when we go and look, okay, well you have a 444 00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:09.880 carbon monoxide leak, bro, it's sorry, the house isn't haunted. And 445 00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:15.079 one thing that's really funny that I had I had a memory of this would 446 00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:22.839 have been two thousand and nine or two thousand and eight. My cousin reaches 447 00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:27.200 out to me and says, hey, I know you're into ghosts and ghosts 448 00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.839 hunting and all this stuff. I think my house is haunted. And so 449 00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:35.079 I get Tyler, Terry and our friend Jordan together and again we're this is 450 00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:39.160 high school, Tyler and Bob, and we go and we do a little 451 00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:43.319 investigation. But one thing we notice is she said a lot of the activities 452 00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:46.119 seems to be centered around my kid. And I was like, okay, 453 00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:52.519 well, you know, we'll come out, we'll bring this sony handicams and 454 00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:54.960 we'll see what we can do. Oh well, one thing that Tyler I 455 00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:58.839 think Eric was with us as well. But one thing that Tyler noticed and 456 00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:02.440 then I sort of watching for, is she would say, yeah, you 457 00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:06.440 know, my kid would report, you know, he would get bumps and 458 00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:07.960 bruises, and I would, you know, I'd go to the kitchen and 459 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:12.039 come back and come back and big old bruise on his arm out of nowhere, 460 00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:14.200 and he'd say, oh, well, someone pushed me. Well, 461 00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:20.799 we're watching this kid, and he was clumsy as fuck. We would stand 462 00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:22.920 up and like we would. He'd be talking to his mom and then walk 463 00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:27.720 into the wall, and I think he fucking heated glasses, if I'm being 464 00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:30.559 honest. But you know, she had convinced herself out of something incredibly mundane, 465 00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:35.839 as my child is clumsy, my toddlers clumsy, as my house is 466 00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:38.799 haunted. And then I think what had happened. Was her boyfriend or husband, 467 00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:42.880 I don't remember which. He worked nights, so she's by herself at 468 00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:46.640 night. Her kid is saying, I have imaginary friends, and so and 469 00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:51.359 so is pushing me down, and I have all these bruises and bumps. 470 00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:53.519 And then she convinced up, so I'm gonna call a Catholic priest. She 471 00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:57.720 called the priest from our church. He came out, blessed the house, 472 00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:02.680 gave her a full seven men explanation of demonology and then fucking left. So 473 00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:07.759 then you have to think, Okay, well, we have a housewife at 474 00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:10.880 home alone, convinced that our house is haunted and it's attacking her child. 475 00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:15.360 I think her. And again, I don't want to downplay any anyone who's 476 00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:17.480 going through this, but I think when we look at the evidence piled up, 477 00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:22.360 it kind of explains itself as far as you know what is actually going 478 00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:25.840 on. Yeah, it's interpretation. Yeah, And it's one of those things 479 00:34:25.880 --> 00:34:30.840 that I to this day take that with me every haunting, every investigation we 480 00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:35.599 go, one of you have to keep your mind in check because you know 481 00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:37.880 as well as I do, when you're in the dark for two hours, 482 00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:44.320 you heard what you thought was a door closing, but by the time you 483 00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:46.960 wouldn't investigated it, the door closed, someone drove a car through the front 484 00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:52.880 yard. There's three ghosts that are fucking doing Gangham style, like your brain 485 00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:58.199 goes on a really weird roller coaster when you're looking for it. Yeah, 486 00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:01.280 yeah, I agree with that, but I also I think, I don't 487 00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:06.000 know, it's difficult because that's a lot of what scientists say happen is it's 488 00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:09.159 just basically your your mind's tricking you. You don't really understand what's going on. 489 00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:13.760 And one of the things I kind of thought was backhanded. And one 490 00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:17.199 of the articles I read was that they were like, you just you know, 491 00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:22.159 young, this young man, this example that they had this young man 492 00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:25.079 he woke up with sleep paralysis basically, Okay, so he woke up, 493 00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:30.159 couldn't move, but he was seeing stuff around his room. Yeah, and 494 00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:34.159 they said, you know, young Johnny. I'll just say, Johnny, 495 00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:38.159 Young Johnny didn't think that his house was haunted though. All he had to 496 00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:45.559 do was just use critical thinking, like really, really, yeah, got 497 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:49.639 sleep paralysis is not the same as your housemank haunted, not at all. 498 00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:53.159 No, you've gone through sleep paralysis on multiple occasions. That can be terrifying. 499 00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:57.440 It that's a whole nother that's a demon, for lack of a bit 500 00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:00.760 of that's an actual demon. Yeah, that's a demon. Okay. So 501 00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:05.639 the article here starts. I am the science editor for Paranormal Daily News, 502 00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:09.280 and I'm also a licensed California general building contractor. I've done a lot of 503 00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:14.280 handyman type work over the years. What I want to address today are some 504 00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:16.400 of the normal things that occur with buildings that have been taking into that have 505 00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:22.679 to be taken into consideration when examining a potential haunting or ghost. So I 506 00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:25.880 love this because he's kind of going in with He's not saying that your house 507 00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:31.199 isn't haunted, but it's these are things to think about before you say it's 508 00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:37.760 haunted. Yeah, and I think that that's a really like that's incredibly important 509 00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:39.079 because again, like you just said, some of these scientists come off of 510 00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:45.239 just well me just backhand you with my knowledge because you're too simple to understand. 511 00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:47.920 Yeah. So I've run into quite a few stories people claiming that something 512 00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:52.679 paranormal was happening in their home and that they were just head scratches for me. 513 00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:54.920 No, I think to myself, I've run into that kind of problem 514 00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:59.280 before, and I know what causes it and how to fix it. So 515 00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:01.239 I've made a little list of stuff that I'm familiar with. There are other 516 00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:05.039 things that PARAM one investigators should be aware of, of course, but I'm 517 00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:08.199 only addressing things that might be related to a haunting that are within my area 518 00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:14.800 of expertise. Again, love this guy. He's not trying to overreach and 519 00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:21.079 say this is the definitive list end all be all like. He's being very 520 00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:22.360 modest, I think is probably the best way I can put it. Yeah, 521 00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:25.760 he's definitely leaving a wigger room to say, Okay, could this be 522 00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:30.239 on here? Could this be on here? So yeah, So this is 523 00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:34.199 a no way debunking of parentm one investigators or their findings. However, in 524 00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:37.719 any quality paranom one investigation, ordinary causes have to be either completely ruled out 525 00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:43.480 or accounted for, Otherwise an investigation will leave questions on the table right for 526 00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:46.679 criticism. Here, I'm going to address the things that someone in construction will 527 00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:51.239 run into from time to time, and so this is the part where it's 528 00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:54.840 haunted. Houses have personality. Houses are sent systems, and they have their 529 00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:59.639 own personalities. They have water, electric sewer heating, and often gas and 530 00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:04.199 air caning. They have a variety of passive mechanical systems such as door knobs 531 00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:08.400 and locks, hinges and drawers, electronic and mechanical systems such as ovens, 532 00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:14.519 dishwashers, garbage disposals, washers, dryers, etc. At any given moment, 533 00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:17.079 these parts of the house are in various states of repair and are subject 534 00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:22.039 to the vagaries of their initial installation. In general, wear over time. 535 00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:25.239 In addition to this, houses have consumable items such as light bulbs and air 536 00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:30.079 filters that just wear out. The building may have been remodeled at some point, 537 00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:34.920 or have various other idiosencracies. Every building is different, and some of 538 00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:37.039 the things that go on in houses can seem paranormal people who don't see this 539 00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:40.679 stuff happen on a regular basis. In addition to this, I don't think 540 00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:44.519 it's enough to just provide a list, but also how to check for these 541 00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:50.000 things. Many of the strange things can be tested for relatively easily. So 542 00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:55.760 what I think is kind of interesting is he's approaching this from a paranormal investigator 543 00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:01.719 mindset in general contracting and not the other way around. It's okay, well, 544 00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:07.280 how do I explain the door slamming? Okay, well, we have 545 00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:10.000 to make sure that the door actually works as intended, like the function can 546 00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:14.599 be carried out in a way that it was designed for. Okay, if 547 00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:19.960 everything's perfect and it slams, then we can entertain the paranormal conversation. Yeah, 548 00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:22.599 and I think that's something even without being a general contractor, that's something 549 00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:28.719 that you have to do. You do, unfortunately, to refer back to 550 00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:30.639 the article. You do have to use critical thinking. Yeah, if you 551 00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:36.119 hear a weird noise, you should investigate it before saying that it's a haunting, 552 00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:40.719 seeing if you can replicate it, seeing if you can replicate any like 553 00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:45.239 can you slam the door by opening a window or because that happens with us 554 00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:47.920 the air pressure in the house, we open a window, some of our 555 00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:52.519 doors will close or you can hear them wiggle. So I think it's definitely 556 00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:58.440 very important to verify your findings. And I think when it comes to us, 557 00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:01.960 especially the it has to be replicated for us to think it's weird, 558 00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:07.119 absolutely, unless it's that chair that got thrown with you and Tyler. Yeah, 559 00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:10.960 so I'll tell that story in just a moment. But what is important 560 00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:15.320 to kind of remember is a lot of these locations we go to and so 561 00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:20.880 Prospect Place is a great example. That is a very very old home that 562 00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:25.119 up until recently was in various forms of disarray. The guy who owned it 563 00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:29.800 previously, from what Austin has told us, he lived there, he was 564 00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:32.639 kind of a hoarder. There was stuff everywhere and they've cleaned it all up 565 00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:37.519 well. During the cleanup, and we saw this at Randolph as well. 566 00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:44.159 As they're fixing these things up, you're fixing something that's old and so new 567 00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:46.360 and old when it comes to when you're doing like a renovation, they don't 568 00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:51.920 always play well together. So you don't know what impact the new you know, 569 00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:57.159 door locks, the new hinges you put on the door, what impact 570 00:40:57.159 --> 00:41:00.519 that's going to have on a regular activity of the house exactly. And I 571 00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:05.440 think that that's something that can't be under sold here. And when I say 572 00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:07.800 activity, I don't mean paranormal, I mean the wind gus. Well, 573 00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:13.960 those inges make a new noise now that you have wind coming through there regularly. 574 00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:16.440 Are they gonna shake the door in a different way and make a different 575 00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:21.440 noise. Absolutely, So he goes on and says, lights that go on 576 00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:24.199 and offer flicker for seemingly no reason, there's lots of causes that, there 577 00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:27.880 are lots of things that can cause this. While it is possible for the 578 00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:30.639 house to be a house wiring to do the problem, it's far more likely 579 00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:34.079 to be coming from a switch, the light or the light fixture. The 580 00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:37.679 kind of thing that's all my clients fix it list often enough that I would 581 00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:42.360 be very reluctant to ever ascribes anything paranormal, and then he goes on this 582 00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:45.679 is under electrical paranormal quirks. If the light is fluorescent, that can be 583 00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:50.440 This can be caused by a failing transformer or light. They tend to flicker 584 00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:53.280 when they're failing. Fluorescent lights often have a dark spot near the base and 585 00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:57.159 they start to go bad, and they tend to make a buzzing sound and 586 00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:00.840 don't put out much light. It's all fairly off if you take off the 587 00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:04.679 light cover and look at them directly. However, most homes have a nice 588 00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:08.920 thick light cover that you really can't see the ball itself. Some light fixtures, 589 00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:13.360 very common for recess lighting, have thermal sensors that shut off the light 590 00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:16.119 if the internal temperature is too high. This is more common in summer on 591 00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:21.079 hot days when the attic temperature is quite high. This occurs where the socket 592 00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:23.559 is high up in the fixture. The most common cause of this problem is 593 00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:27.639 recess lights covered in insulation in the attic. So he kind of goes on 594 00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:34.519 through this article and breaks it down to noises water hammering, plastic drain pipes, 595 00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:39.519 rubbing against wood, explaining weird noises, creaking and groaning being made by 596 00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:44.880 wood expansion, scratching sounds. I mean, he really goes pretty deep into 597 00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:47.920 it and in cold air and weird smells. He does a really phenomenal job 598 00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:53.440 of breaking down all of the I would say commonalities like things that you hear 599 00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:58.920 in a traditionally haunted place. And I can't stress enough how important that is. 600 00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:01.400 And I think that every new ghost hunter should have to read this article. 601 00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:07.599 Because now, if Brittany's ghost walks downstairs and you're watching her make it 602 00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:12.840 cake and she's been dead for three days, that's not a leaky faucet. 603 00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:19.079 We can definitively say that that's not a leaky faucet. But when it comes 604 00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:23.519 to just these strange noises, not necessarily like these visual perceptions like seeing a 605 00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:29.400 full body apparition, Yeah, but strange noises, light flickering, things like 606 00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:35.960 that, because can have a natural explanation other than paranormal. Yeah. Now 607 00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:39.239 let me ask you this, miss Brittany, now that you've kind of done 608 00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:45.880 a couple investigations, do you have any like telltale signs of Okay, this 609 00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:49.880 is a haunting or do you even think that those are possible to exist? 610 00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.440 Because I'm supernatural, we know you bust out your MF walkman, and you 611 00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:57.000 get a M. You know, you get a M you've got a ghost 612 00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:00.280 one hundred percent. You know that if the girl, the girl can pick 613 00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:04.639 up silver, she's a werewolf. But like, do you think that there 614 00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:08.400 is there even a place for something like telltale signs of a haunting. No, 615 00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:15.119 I think there are telltale signs of strange activity. Yeah, and I 616 00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:20.159 think those would be you know, other people's stories, the feeling in the 617 00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:23.960 place, and it would be the weird noises and things like that. All 618 00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:30.280 those add up to strange activity. But I wouldn't classify places that we go, 619 00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:32.039 like, I wouldn't go and say, okay, yeah this place is 620 00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:37.599 haunted unless I experienced it myself. And I think the stories is what gets 621 00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:42.280 us there, the activity is what gets us to stay or come back. 622 00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:45.559 That's okay, Yeah, that's that's a very good point. So we can't 623 00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:51.719 say somewhere as haunted one hundred percent until we experience those activities. Yeah. 624 00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:54.599 What has to happen though for you to say yes, this is haunted, 625 00:44:54.639 --> 00:45:00.719 because like again, even though I will put my reputation along saying we caught 626 00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:06.000 some of the most convincing evidence of paramal existence in history. At Randolph County 627 00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:08.079 Asylum, I'm not ready to say the place is haunted. I'm not either, 628 00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:14.239 and that's so that's so weird to say. But I think it's because 629 00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:20.800 of social like the social meaning of a haunted house and everything we've seen in 630 00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:24.760 Hollywood and movies and TV. I think that definitely has an impact on what 631 00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:30.719 we would think would be haunted. And the reason why I say that is 632 00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:34.920 because in Ghost Adventures, for example, you if you don't see a full 633 00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:38.320 body apparition everywhere you go, you're not doing it right, according to Zach 634 00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:45.079 Bagins. But um, there is strange activity. There are strange things that 635 00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:52.280 happen. I feel uncomfortable there. I don't really like investigating there when I 636 00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:54.559 do, and I don't like I like investigating, but I also hate it 637 00:45:54.639 --> 00:46:00.760 so well. See, and that's something that I have I have to remember 638 00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:06.400 and appreciate about you is you. You haven't done it as much as Austin 639 00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:08.679 and I have. You haven't been you know, you eventually kind of just 640 00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:13.719 accept everywhere it's just a dark room, and you still have that like, 641 00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:16.119 Okay, I'm a UFO hunter, I'm you know, you're out of your 642 00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:21.159 element looking for a ghost. And that's something that I think came through really 643 00:46:21.159 --> 00:46:24.639 well in the documentary because you approach us like, you know, it feels 644 00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:28.320 weird. I wasn't really ready for the silence, and yet we're all just 645 00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:31.880 like, she's in a fucking room. It's dark. It sucks. Yeah, 646 00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:35.760 but I think if something y'all did came back to my neck of the 647 00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:38.960 woods, you'd be pretty freaked out where I'm normal. So it all comes 648 00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:42.840 up to what what have you done? What are you going to continue doing? 649 00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:46.400 Ooh absolutely? But yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I think 650 00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:50.519 I would agree. I don't think that you can just hear claims and say, 651 00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:53.639 yep, that's haunted. I think it What is what even is our 652 00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:58.639 definition of haunted? Though? Yeah, that's that's the thing. And that's 653 00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:02.239 where again we need to another hour, I think, because for me, 654 00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:06.639 for something to be haunted, it has to be it can't be a one 655 00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:10.199 off, because I think that strange things can happen anywhere and everywhere, and 656 00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:15.880 I think that the mind is an exceptionally powerful tool that if that have tuned 657 00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:19.639 and news properly, you could you could make a chucky cheese haunted and in 658 00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:22.880 Austin's talked about like wanting to do a series of like like that to try 659 00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:25.480 and go to these places that have no business being haunted. Yeah. No, 660 00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:29.719 no, no claims of activity, no history whatsoever. A brand new 661 00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:32.719 dollar General just built and he's going to make a ghost appear like But my 662 00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:37.800 my reason for saying that is I think it can't just be a one off. 663 00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:40.400 That needs to be consistent, and it needs to be like everyone that 664 00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:45.960 goes through there has a similar encounter. I would agree with that, because 665 00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:51.480 again, I think fear is a very powerful thing, and I think manifestation 666 00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:53.599 is a very real thing. But I think if if you really don't want 667 00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:58.159 to see that door closed at the end of the hallway and for the full 668 00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:00.880 two hours you're in the base and other things, I hope that door doesn't 669 00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:05.000 close. I wouldn't be too surprised if as you're about to leave, that 670 00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:08.440 door fucking closes. Yea, yeah, Okay, So before we leave, 671 00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:12.559 I want to talk about the stone tape theory. Now, are you familiar 672 00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:15.679 at all with the stone tape theory? I briefly read through the article, 673 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:19.480 but no, not really. Yeah, I am shocked. I've never come 674 00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:22.480 across this before and I feel again, this is where the imposter syndrome starts 675 00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:24.559 to kick in. So I'm like, how did I not know about this? 676 00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:30.119 Yeah? So, whether you use strict scientific experiments or other forms of 677 00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:35.599 sensory research, many people have suggested theories about the paranormal to answer some of 678 00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:38.960 those burning questions. For nearly two centuries, many have explored an explanation that 679 00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:44.960 we now call the stone tape theory or residual hauntings, often linked with place 680 00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:47.719 memory. The stone tape theory is probably one of the most popular explanations for 681 00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:51.800 the presence of ghostly activity. Yeah, this is what I was talking about 682 00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:57.480 earlier when I had all those questions about what imprint do we actually leave on 683 00:48:57.519 --> 00:49:01.639 these objects on our reality? Gotcha? Okay, So have you ever had 684 00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:07.719 a distinct feeling that you're being watched or listened to? That strangenessation is that 685 00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:10.599 someone is lurking around just around the corner, or maybe you had the impression 686 00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:14.880 that someone has left a recording device that is capturing your words and actions to 687 00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:17.280 play it back at a different time. That creepy feeling that you may have 688 00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:23.239 experienced and being watched by unforeseen forces or unseen forces partially forms the basis of 689 00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:28.320 the stone tape theory. Although it's became popular in the late twentieth century, 690 00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:31.400 the theory has a storied pass and it continues to interest paranormal researchers to this 691 00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:36.719 day. So now we're going to kind of get into the origins of place 692 00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:40.360 theory or place memory. I'm sorry. In the nineteenth century, there's a 693 00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:45.320 keen interest in examining how human activity may be recorded or left behind after we 694 00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:51.480 departed. The people researching these ideas weren't ghost hunters looking for spiritual signals. 695 00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:55.840 Most were scientists trying to understand how the elements in our environments worked. Charles 696 00:49:55.880 --> 00:50:00.480 Babbage, a nineteenth century thinker credited with the concept that eventually became the programmable 697 00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:06.119 computer, speculated about how spoken human words may remain in the air long after 698 00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:10.119 they're uttered. He suggested that these words eventually became inaudible to most humans, 699 00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:15.559 but all of our speech floats in the air with us forever. According to 700 00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:19.440 Babbage, a few people could still interpret these inaudible words, and they had 701 00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:23.320 the power to unlock memories. So I'm guessing this is like getting into that 702 00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:30.199 latent psychic ability conversation at this point, right kind of. So the way 703 00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:34.480 I interpreted it is that could also be like a physical tool. It could 704 00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:40.639 be like something like a spirit box that be able to access these those words 705 00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:45.199 on that low frequency. Okay, yeah, see that's again, this is 706 00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:49.639 why I love having the other side of the brain sitting across the table from 707 00:50:49.639 --> 00:50:52.320 me, because I went straight for psychic abilities. But I didn't think about 708 00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:57.320 like like the envoy for example. Yeah. Yeah, So that's one of 709 00:50:57.360 --> 00:51:00.440 the things that really fascinated me with that was that if this is really such 710 00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:05.920 a See when I heard that, the first thing I thought was the One 711 00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:13.960 Consciousness, which is in the Yeah, oh my god, we gotta get 712 00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:16.679 Alan Greenfield in here right now. Yeah, he knows his ears are itching. 713 00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:20.679 Hunter, I guarante. I bet I get a message from Alan within 714 00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:22.760 the next forty eight hours like, hey, you guys, do you guys 715 00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:25.519 doing something crazy? You should be doing? What are you doing? But 716 00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:30.480 yeah, the one consciousness, because that would make sense if it has infinite 717 00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:36.360 memory from everything, not just humans. If that energy, if their words 718 00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:40.519 hang in the air infinitely, that would be the world's memory at that point. 719 00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:45.840 If you get access that oh, I love that I'm here for that. 720 00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:50.119 So seeking out the recorded memories of a place was part of many ancient 721 00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:53.199 cultures, but Babbage was likely the first person to write about what eventually became 722 00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:57.880 known as place memory. By the late nineteenth century, with the rise of 723 00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:00.159 spiritualism, which again, I know someone's gonna say, hey, why don't 724 00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:04.519 you guys talk about the Fox Sisters. That's a whole another episode. That's 725 00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:08.039 a whole other series. Science was increasingly being intertwined with the study of the 726 00:52:08.079 --> 00:52:14.639 paranormal, and researchers were regularly called upon to explain ghost sightings. Place memory 727 00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:19.719 quickly became a popular theory for spiritualists, who sought to explain why an unseen 728 00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:24.719 presence could be heard during seances or uncovered by the gifted presences of mediums. 729 00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:30.599 The concept of place memory speculates that people become linked to places for various reasons. 730 00:52:31.159 --> 00:52:34.920 Perhaps the place held a lot of meaning for someone when they were alive, 731 00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:39.599 or maybe they tragically died there under gruesome circumstances. At that time, 732 00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:45.039 many people believe that ghosts floated around us at will or attached to a certain 733 00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:49.760 person. On the other hand, Placemenbery suggested that spirits became connected to certain 734 00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:53.760 places. This idea of ghosts becoming rooted to a site probably sounds very familiar. 735 00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:59.400 Many of our contemporary theories around the paranormal and especially have the same ghost 736 00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:02.920 into saying the same places is based on the concept of place memory. So 737 00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:08.360 you know what I love about this? On Supernatural? Oh my god, 738 00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:15.599 what are the the spirit stalkers? What are they called ghost facers? Spirit 739 00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:20.639 stalkers would have way cooler the ghost facers when they when they reintroduce these guys. 740 00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:23.039 So I didn't realize it was like a running gag. And what's funny 741 00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:27.880 is Tyler kind of prepared me. He's like, Hey, some episodes all 742 00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:30.480 go off the fucking rails. Yeah, yeah, they really did, didn't 743 00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:34.840 they. But that's one of them. But what's funny is is the episode 744 00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:38.079 that they kind of return to. They have their own little TV show deals 745 00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:42.159 with place memory, and I think they even use the term. And that's 746 00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:47.800 why I keep saying someone on the Supernatural riding team knows their shit things. 747 00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:51.760 They don't let that guy talk a whole lot, but when they do, 748 00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:55.199 it's like, way to god, damn minute, this is way out there. 749 00:53:55.559 --> 00:54:00.719 It's probably like that. You remember the episode where they had the horror 750 00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:05.599 movie film Yes, and that one guy actually with writing a summoning ritual into 751 00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:10.280 Yes their books and into the actual script. Yeah, it's probably he's probably 752 00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:14.400 actually trying to do that with Supernatural. I could see that. It turns 753 00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:19.400 out that Hellyer wasn't the initiation. Supernatural has been the initiation. Okay, 754 00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:24.159 So psychometry and leaving traces, this is this kind of they are. They 755 00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:29.000 overlap, but they cannot be confused with one another. And that's something that 756 00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:31.960 I think happens a lot, and I see a lot of young investigators confuse 757 00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:38.079 psychometry with place memory and with residual hauntings. The three. They while they 758 00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:42.440 run in the same group, they are not the same thing. And that's 759 00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:45.079 very important to keep in mind as I kind of continue. They're like part 760 00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:50.719 of a species. Yes, So place memory is very closely associate associated with 761 00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:53.599 psychometry, the idea that you can learn about a person or place by touching 762 00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:59.159 an object connected with that person or place. Joseph Rhodes Buchanan came up with 763 00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:04.079 the term psychomet which means measuring the soul, in eighteen forty two. He 764 00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:07.559 was interested in the impressions that people left on objects, but also claimed that 765 00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:12.559 we could unlock and interpret those imprints with the right techniques. Although many paranormal 766 00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:15.840 enthusiasts are probably familiar with this idea today, like place memory, psychometry is 767 00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:22.199 very new in the nineteenth century, although place memory and psychometry suggested that ghosts 768 00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:24.639 may become attached to a certain place, there was no explanation of why or 769 00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:30.440 how. As scientists continued to study the elements and develop their understandings of physics 770 00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:34.960 and chemistry, they struggled to find explanations for the supernatural. But it seemed 771 00:55:34.960 --> 00:55:37.639 most people in the late nineteenth century were content to accept that ghosts were able 772 00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:44.280 to attach to objects. Besides, spiritualists were focused on perfecting their communication techniques. 773 00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:49.039 By the nineteen thirties, place memory was still a popular explanation for paranormal 774 00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:52.079 activity among spiritualists, but the theory was about to get a much broader attention. 775 00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:55.440 So I want to kind of take a step back from this for a 776 00:55:55.519 --> 00:56:00.119 second, because, Okay, so let's say you have a family member, 777 00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:07.159 Like for me, it's my mom. She wore this super cheap walmart Rose 778 00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:09.519 perfume, and I don't remember the name of it was rose something it came 779 00:56:09.559 --> 00:56:15.280 into like a less impressive bath and body works like spray bottle. Yeah. 780 00:56:15.320 --> 00:56:20.800 And every time I smelled that perfume, my first thought is the first time 781 00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:23.320 I remember my mom and dad going out to get dinner, like leaving us 782 00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:25.800 at home, they went out on a date, and I smelled that perfume 783 00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:31.440 for the first I'm instantly transported back to that moment. And so when I 784 00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:37.639 think as psychometry, that's kind of where my brain goes is I've attached this 785 00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:43.760 memory. I've attached this person to this scent. So when I smell it 786 00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:49.760 in a grocery store, I instantly I'm transported back to being seven years old 787 00:56:49.760 --> 00:56:52.360 and seeing my mom get ready for her date. That's sense memory, though 788 00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:58.159 that's not like your senses memory, that's not your Yeah, but it's still 789 00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:01.519 an imprint. And that's kind of how I feel because let me take it 790 00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:07.000 a step further. So, I grew up hearing about how my dad was 791 00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:10.480 great at basketball and how my uncle was great at basketball, and they had 792 00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:15.719 this like my dad had the super shitty like University of Tennessee t shirt Tennessee 793 00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:21.440 volunteers shirt. I wore that playing basketball one day and I felt like I 794 00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:25.719 could feel my dad and uncle playing basketball when they were my age. Like 795 00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:30.519 I felt like I was like feeling the imprint that they left on the same 796 00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:38.360 jersey that he had worn. That would be that then, because your mom 797 00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:45.079 didn't end print on you, the perfume didn't imprint on you. You associated 798 00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:50.000 the perfume with a memory. Yeah, that is your brain's perception. Your 799 00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:54.880 dad and your uncle imprinted on the jersey, or your dad did at least 800 00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:59.800 I don't know if your uncle ever actually wore the jersey, but your dad 801 00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:04.360 had a lot of memories attached to that jersey. Now, let's say that 802 00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:08.199 you had that perfume with you. Let's say you kept her bottle specifically, 803 00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:13.599 and you had attached your memories, your feelings, your whatever to that bottle 804 00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:16.639 of perfume, and you gave it to me, then I would probably be 805 00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:22.480 able to feel your feelings about her from that bottles. Does that make sense? 806 00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:23.880 Yeah, No, it absolutely makes sense. I just kind of use 807 00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:30.159 that as as like how my brain, yeah, to dissected this because another 808 00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:32.159 way that I want to look at this is like a great example will be 809 00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:36.320 when we watched Hellyer, then we went to Somerset for the first time. 810 00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:39.960 We kind of had these preconceived notions of what to expect, what to expect, 811 00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:44.280 and what was going to occur. And I had this thought as I 812 00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:46.199 was doing the research. So, I don't know, I'm sure you remember 813 00:58:46.360 --> 00:58:50.960 the first time we found the Strawberry Cave, we call it Strawberry Cave. 814 00:58:51.079 --> 00:58:53.199 It's blocked off now so we can actually say the name. The name. 815 00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:58.760 I cannot believe they've blocked it off. So but what we had seen, 816 00:58:58.880 --> 00:59:01.199 Greg new Kirk and Tyler Shrank go to the back of the cave. We 817 00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:05.199 found the cave completely by accident. That's the best part, as we found 818 00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:08.320 it by fucking accident. Yeah. So Tyler, Terry and I go to 819 00:59:08.320 --> 00:59:15.039 the back of this cave and we're hearing the same whispering voices noises that they 820 00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:22.639 heard. And I had this thought of did our memory of Tyler and Greg 821 00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:30.000 influence what we saw or is it the location? Did their knowledge of whispering 822 00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:36.199 in voices and people being in the caves? Did that was that created mentally 823 00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:40.239 because they had heard about it beforehand, or is it actually actively occurring? 824 00:59:40.599 --> 00:59:45.000 No. See, that just comes down to self doubt because that's something you 825 00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:50.760 do on any investigation, not just us, but anyone. Is am I 826 00:59:50.840 --> 00:59:53.920 actually saying our hearing this? Or is it because I knew X, Y, 827 00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:57.440 and Z before I got here? Yeah, And that's why I think 828 00:59:57.440 --> 01:00:01.760 it's dangerous and why when we went to prospect purposefully, like we ignored watching 829 01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:05.559 thing and we did something very similar for Randolph. We end up watching the 830 01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:12.199 don't we watched some fucking show before we had gone. But I started not 831 01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:15.360 wanting to do that, not wanting to really know the history because I want 832 01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:22.440 genuine reactions. I want to be able to scientifically deduce that I didn't know 833 01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:27.199 that. You know, little Billy Bob was a kid who passed away in 834 01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:30.480 this place, So I didn't want to know anything. So if I get 835 01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:34.119 fine information associated with him, if I hear something through a spirit box, 836 01:00:34.280 --> 01:00:37.320 yeah, that makes it even more genuine. Now it's like it's like an 837 01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:42.599 estis method for investigations. Yeah. But now on the other side of things, 838 01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:46.440 we have gone to locations that we didn't know the history of, and 839 01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:50.800 Randolph was a good example of that. We didn't really know a lot of 840 01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:53.440 the history of Randolph. We knew very little when we actually got there the 841 01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:59.800 first time. There are parts of that building that don't feel right there, 842 01:01:00.199 --> 01:01:05.079 something like you can tell something bad happened here. And then a great example 843 01:01:05.079 --> 01:01:07.679 of this is when we were upstairs where the jail cell. I don't I'm 844 01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:10.400 not sure. I think you were setting up or something. But it was 845 01:01:10.480 --> 01:01:14.719 Nathan, myself and Austin. We were upstairs where the jail cell was, 846 01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:17.639 and I was like, man it, I don't like how it feels up 847 01:01:17.679 --> 01:01:21.760 here. I don't know what it is. Everything everyone else feels fine. 848 01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:24.480 And Nathan's like, oh, well, the room you're standing in. Allegedly 849 01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:30.519 some of the residents here threw someone out the window and killed them because they 850 01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:34.719 had like a little mafia here. I had no idea. I didn't know 851 01:01:34.800 --> 01:01:37.840 that that was part of the history. But I was, you know, 852 01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:40.119 I remember I was touching the walls, I was touching the windows. I 853 01:01:40.199 --> 01:01:43.920 was like trying to get a connection to the place, if that makes sense. 854 01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:46.199 And then Nathan tells me the history. It's like, oh well, 855 01:01:46.199 --> 01:01:50.360 now what is that? Is that? Exactly what it is? That psychometry 856 01:01:50.400 --> 01:01:53.960 at that point because the location, I feel like influenced my line of thinking. 857 01:01:54.480 --> 01:01:57.880 But I didn't see someone get thrown out the window. I didn't have 858 01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:00.360 the inkling that someone got thrown out the window. I just had the inkling 859 01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:05.519 of something doesn't feel right about this room, and I can't put my finger 860 01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:08.199 on it. I don't know. It's definitely weird, so kind of ending 861 01:02:08.199 --> 01:02:13.039 off here. In the early twentieth century, Henry H. Price advanced this 862 01:02:13.159 --> 01:02:16.159 theory about a psychic ether. He proposed that there was a realm where memories 863 01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:22.079 or thoughts were permanently stored. Price said that psychics and other others that were 864 01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:24.840 connected with the spiritual world were able to access this realm and interpret the memories 865 01:02:24.840 --> 01:02:30.679 of a housed Henry H. Price also speculated that memories could attach themselves to 866 01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:35.320 places, and then he played back again at a later date. He strongly 867 01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:38.320 believed that our human memories were also president in another realm, and occasionally we 868 01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:42.400 may may be able to get glimpses into this unknown world, which is what 869 01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:45.320 we kind of talk about with you piercing the veil sing on the other side. 870 01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:50.840 The idea of place memory was started to starting to attract new thinkers. 871 01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:57.079 By nineteen sixty one, the idea received even more popular attention when Thomas Charles 872 01:02:57.199 --> 01:03:01.840 Letherbridge published Ghosting Ghoul, a popular collection of his personal experiences with the uncanny 873 01:03:01.960 --> 01:03:07.159 encounter. During his career as an archaeologist. Believing strictly in science, he 874 01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:13.119 was searching for an alternative explanation for the supernatural that made scientific sense. He 875 01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:16.000 concluded that there were still things about the Earth to be uncovered, but perhaps 876 01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:21.440 impressions or memories can be stored in fields of energy. According to Lethbridge, 877 01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:27.519 there were unseen and these were unseen and often inaccessible, but sometimes humans encountered 878 01:03:27.519 --> 01:03:30.599 these fields of energy and resulted in paranormal encounters. That makes me think of 879 01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:37.800 John Keel when he talks about going through the areas of fear where he has 880 01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:42.400 no preconceived idea, no information about the location, but he's just suddenly fucking 881 01:03:42.599 --> 01:03:46.199 terrified for no reason whatsoever. Then he goes to quarter mile up the road 882 01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:50.519 and he's he's completely fine. That's what makes me kind of, you know, 883 01:03:50.800 --> 01:03:54.199 go to that point. So the actual Stone Tape Lethbridge books was likely 884 01:03:54.239 --> 01:03:59.480 the main source of inspiration for the nineteen seventy two filmed The Stone Tape in 885 01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:02.239 the Terrify This terrifying spooky tale, a group of researchers try to find how 886 01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:06.440 memories are being recorded in the stones of a Victorian mansion. As the name 887 01:04:06.480 --> 01:04:11.760 implies, the films show stones taking a tape recording of events and then later 888 01:04:11.800 --> 01:04:16.119 playing them back on a loop without explanation for scared witnesses. The same idea 889 01:04:16.159 --> 01:04:19.840 of dark memories stored in stones inspired a number of other productions, including the 890 01:04:19.880 --> 01:04:25.480 movies Prints of Darkness and Poultugeist. By the late twentieth century, belief in 891 01:04:25.519 --> 01:04:30.920 the stone tape theory or residual hauntings was commonplace amongst the paranormal investigators. Many 892 01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:35.079 pointed to ancient cultural beliefs about spiritual stones and the importance of numerous cultures have 893 01:04:35.159 --> 01:04:41.119 placed on certain objects and landscapes. The theory suggested that why some places are 894 01:04:41.239 --> 01:04:44.440 more haunted than others, and why the same events seem to repeat themselves in 895 01:04:44.519 --> 01:04:49.199 some hauntings. It also explained a common type of paranormal events where witnesses describe 896 01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:54.639 figures going about their everyday lives without any recognition or I'm sorry, without any 897 01:04:54.639 --> 01:04:59.039 recognition of another presence, or hearing disembodied sounds like footsteps, are putting the 898 01:04:59.119 --> 01:05:03.000 same actions again and again and again. So the other the only other thing 899 01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:08.039 I really want to talk about here has got to be the Hans Holzer's story. 900 01:05:08.599 --> 01:05:12.679 So a little bit of background. It's a pretty intriguing theory that ghosts 901 01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:15.639 don't come from outside our world at all, but rather from within, so 902 01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:19.679 like we're creating them. In this line of reasoning, ghosts are not a 903 01:05:19.719 --> 01:05:25.800 product of supernatural energy or strange forces of nature, but are rather extensions of 904 01:05:25.840 --> 01:05:30.840 the mind reaching out through little understood psychic powers, creating seemingly real constructs projected 905 01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:35.760 onto the physical world solely through the power of the subconscious mind. These thought 906 01:05:35.800 --> 01:05:41.039 forms are often referred to as tulpas or Edgar Goore's there's a there is a 907 01:05:41.079 --> 01:05:43.960 subtle difference, but we don't have time for that right now, And they 908 01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:46.079 can even be generated by people who are not even aware they're doing it. 909 01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:50.840 The forms often appear, appearing to materialize or vanish at will, depending on 910 01:05:50.880 --> 01:05:57.800 the mental state of the individual or individuals projecting them. So an interesting historical 911 01:05:57.840 --> 01:06:01.239 example of a ghost is a tulpa, according to occurred in the nineteen sixties 912 01:06:01.719 --> 01:06:05.679 when a paranormal researcher by the name of Hans Holzer was looking into a series 913 01:06:05.679 --> 01:06:10.519 of hauntings in the building of twelve Gay Street in New York City, which 914 01:06:10.559 --> 01:06:15.639 involved an apparition most commonly described as a tall gentleman dressed in black formal clothing 915 01:06:15.639 --> 01:06:18.480 wearing a top hat, a black cape, and a cane. So a 916 01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:24.960 lot of people don't really know this, but the whole hat Man like consistent 917 01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:28.880 haunting. This is where it came from. And I find that very intriguing 918 01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:32.840 because in twenty twenty three, I still see like Reddit posts about seeing the 919 01:06:32.880 --> 01:06:36.719 hat Man. Oh yeah, people are still talking about there's documentaries out about 920 01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:41.679 it everywhere. Yeah, Like that to me is crazy. This fandom was 921 01:06:41.719 --> 01:06:45.239 said to walk around the darkened premises and surrounding area at night, startling people, 922 01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:49.119 only did then disappear. Holser would go on to publish this case in 923 01:06:49.119 --> 01:06:54.119 this nineteen sixty six paranormal book, Yankee Ghost, and That's where things that 924 01:06:54.320 --> 01:06:58.559 rather bizarre. Indeed, according to an author named Walter B. Gibson, 925 01:06:58.639 --> 01:07:01.599 he had lived in that very same build not long before Holdser began his investigation. 926 01:07:02.519 --> 01:07:05.360 Gibson claimed that he had been living there in order to do research for 927 01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:10.719 an installment for his series of novels starring a batman like crime fighter called the 928 01:07:10.760 --> 01:07:15.119 Shadow. So absorbed was he in writing his envisioning the Shadow roaming about the 929 01:07:15.119 --> 01:07:19.679 streets and the premises that he would often even hallucinate his character, who just 930 01:07:19.719 --> 01:07:25.280 happened to wield a cane and where formal evening clothes a cape and a top 931 01:07:25.320 --> 01:07:29.719 hat. The author likely would have attributed this to pure tiredness an obsession with 932 01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:33.360 his character, and this would have continued had he not read han Holzer's book. 933 01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:38.440 He was immediately taken aback by the similarities between the ghosts and his character, 934 01:07:38.960 --> 01:07:41.639 as well as the fact that the sightings were taking place in the exact 935 01:07:41.679 --> 01:07:45.480 same place he had lived while writing his novel at around the same time, 936 01:07:45.880 --> 01:07:48.360 and he became convinced that what he had seen was an actual projection of his 937 01:07:48.519 --> 01:07:56.320 character from his mind, which had somehow transferred into reality. That's incredible and 938 01:07:56.360 --> 01:08:00.519 that's terrifying. At the same time, it's complicated too. Yeah, it's 939 01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:03.559 very complicated. But again that's when we get into what is a ghost. 940 01:08:04.199 --> 01:08:09.239 That's the kind of way it needs to carry because there's so many different types, 941 01:08:09.239 --> 01:08:13.559 there's so many different types of explanations. It's crazy. Yeah. So 942 01:08:13.639 --> 01:08:17.760 with that being said, miss brittany where. What are your thoughts when it 943 01:08:17.800 --> 01:08:21.720 comes to ghost Do you believe in ghosts? That's I guess the question to 944 01:08:21.760 --> 01:08:28.239 ask. You're not supposed to belief as the enemy, But I would say 945 01:08:28.279 --> 01:08:32.359 there's definitely weird things happening everywhere and a lot of different things that we do. 946 01:08:32.520 --> 01:08:36.439 So but it's just like aliens, like like you're not going to say, 947 01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:41.920 oh, that is for sure a little green eat. You have to 948 01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:45.840 keep keep it casting a wide net and hope something gets caught. I would 949 01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:48.760 completely agree. So with that being said, let us know what you guys 950 01:08:48.800 --> 01:08:50.840 think of this series. I know we kind of went back to basics a 951 01:08:50.840 --> 01:08:55.640 little bit, We kind of went through a lot of different types of conversation, 952 01:08:55.760 --> 01:08:59.520 But I think that it's that it's important because I do believe that too. 953 01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:03.439 Off then do we just hear the term ghost and we instantly put it 954 01:09:03.439 --> 01:09:09.319 into a little box of our own personal classifications, Like we have accepted that 955 01:09:09.359 --> 01:09:12.239 we know what a ghost is, and by we I mean as individuals, 956 01:09:12.239 --> 01:09:14.680 we know what a ghost is. So when someone says I saw a ghost, 957 01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:18.039 we've already made up our mind what they what they actually saw. Yeah, 958 01:09:18.039 --> 01:09:20.880 we don't feel like we have to have a conversation about it, about 959 01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:26.680 what we believe, what each person believes a ghost is. And I think 960 01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:30.840 that kind of connects to the fact that a lot of the individual camps don't 961 01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:38.720 talk to each other paranormal and hauntings and then aliens and then cryptids. Yeah, 962 01:09:39.039 --> 01:09:42.359 I think the more information we can share with each other and find out 963 01:09:42.479 --> 01:09:45.880 the better. Oh, I completely agree, because we're going to get into 964 01:09:45.920 --> 01:09:50.000 it with cryptids. What happens when mothman is a tulba? Yeah, Like 965 01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:54.279 that's that. I want to just brush on that theory real fast. Someone 966 01:09:54.279 --> 01:09:57.039 brought that to me recently. Hey, you know, Point Pleasant was a 967 01:09:57.079 --> 01:10:00.640 failing town, Like, yeah, they they needed something to get them on 968 01:10:00.680 --> 01:10:03.960 the map or they were not going to survive. The coal industry was while 969 01:10:03.960 --> 01:10:08.680 it was thriving, we knew in the sixties it wasn't going to last forever. 970 01:10:09.279 --> 01:10:13.079 The Interstates were becoming a thing, so towns like Point Pleasant River trading 971 01:10:13.119 --> 01:10:16.920 towns weren't the same necessity they were even forty years prior. Yeah, So 972 01:10:17.319 --> 01:10:21.199 what happens when an entire town knows like, we're not going to be here 973 01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:26.640 in fifty years if something doesn't change and then all of a sudden, we 974 01:10:26.680 --> 01:10:30.359 have a moth man in our town has a mascot. Yep, just saying. 975 01:10:30.800 --> 01:10:31.920 So, with that being said, Miss Britney, with the exception of 976 01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:38.840 having to bring up again, we're having the Phantom Farm premiere watch party this 977 01:10:39.039 --> 01:10:42.000 Saturday over on Patreons. If you guys want to join us, watch the 978 01:10:42.039 --> 01:10:45.960 documentary early, get a little bit of behind the scenes director stuff. Make 979 01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:49.079 sure you check us out at patreon dot com slash Tails from the Dark Phantom 980 01:10:49.079 --> 01:10:54.880 Farm. We'll be releasing February fifteenth. We don't know what time, Yeah, 981 01:10:54.880 --> 01:10:59.119 February fifteenth, sometime for sure it's the fifteenth. I just yeah, 982 01:10:59.159 --> 01:11:00.720 I gotta figure out what's as I know what time it'll be able to let 983 01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:04.079 you guys know. Yeah, join the Facebook group, get updates by everything 984 01:11:04.159 --> 01:11:08.000 like that. And I hope you guys are doing well. Yeah, I 985 01:11:08.039 --> 01:11:10.520 hope you guys are surviving this one or it's not kicking your ass like it's 986 01:11:10.520 --> 01:11:13.840 been kicking ours. So with that being said, must as anything else that 987 01:11:13.840 --> 01:11:15.279 you'd like to add, I do not. I think we're gona to add 988 01:11:15.319 --> 01:11:24.600 this episode of ghosts just ghosts to our never ending but are always growing tails 989 01:11:24.680 --> 01:12:28.920 from the dark. The s