WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:05.759 Steve Rivera and Jay Gon Salez. They have their eye on the ball on 2 00:00:05.919 --> 00:00:11.480 two sums Sports Dig yet Fox Sports fourteen fifty streaming live. I mean I 3 00:00:11.640 --> 00:00:16.320 heard radio wam Hey, welcome back to oting the ball here on Fox Sports 4 00:00:16.359 --> 00:00:26.760 fourteen fifty. I'm Steve, You're Jay good Kevin for breaking news on Fox 5 00:00:26.760 --> 00:00:30.920 Sports fourteen fifty. Again, get in here right, get our best effort. 6 00:00:30.960 --> 00:00:37.079 And that's all you can read exactly on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. All 7 00:00:37.159 --> 00:00:40.479 right, all right, so for breaking news today, we're gonna start off 8 00:00:40.479 --> 00:00:43.560 here. Walter Davis, the former oh Yeah, Rookie of the Year, 9 00:00:44.039 --> 00:00:48.920 passed away. Number six, Sweet d Yeah, number six retired, was 10 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:52.880 Rookie of the Year for the Suns. Played eleven of his sixteen seasons with 11 00:00:52.960 --> 00:00:56.920 the Suns, and he passed away apparently of natural causes of sixty nine. 12 00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:04.120 Well he's only sixty nine, man, man, yeah, Well she everybody's 13 00:01:04.159 --> 00:01:08.719 done this, sweet Gue ninety four. But the guy from Friends, who's 14 00:01:08.760 --> 00:01:17.239 from four yeah, the the Perry, the Afternoon Guy, a soap opera 15 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:22.280 guy, fifty man sixty nine only, but sweet he was, you know, 16 00:01:22.319 --> 00:01:25.920 he was sort of the for the Suns. I mean, I remember 17 00:01:25.920 --> 00:01:27.680 Connie Hawkins and that's how old I am, you know, one of the 18 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:34.120 originals, Dick van Arsdale and those guys. But you know, never again, 19 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:37.799 never in a big NBA fan. But always remember, you know, 20 00:01:37.959 --> 00:01:42.480 Walter Davis Sweet he ever becomes sweet D a buddy of mine. We played 21 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:45.840 on a slow pitch softball team one time and everybody put you know, kind 22 00:01:45.840 --> 00:01:48.719 of nicknames on the backs of the show, and he called himself. His 23 00:01:48.799 --> 00:01:52.000 name was Daily, called himself. He put sweet D on his jersey because 24 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:55.319 of Walter. Yeah. Yeah, very cool. So yeah, very sad 25 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:57.159 to hear about that. Yeah, I just wanted to leave that off mentioned 26 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:01.439 that. Yeah, moving on to four time Slugger Silver twenty eleven ALCS MVP 27 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:07.640 with the Rangers, Nelson cruz is Plenty retiring after playing winter ball in the 28 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:10.560 Dominican Republic post. The last time he was in the league, I believe 29 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:15.199 he was with the Padres last Yeah, I think when he played about ten 30 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:20.319 games with them, and that was the last time we saw him in the 31 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:25.400 Biggs. Yeah. We already spoke about the World World Series viewership trend going 32 00:02:25.479 --> 00:02:30.439 down. I wanted to bring this to you guys, so Arizona at home 33 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:34.520 against UCLA all time is thirteen and eleven, so just about five ye at 34 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:38.400 home against the Bruins. Arizona has held its last four opponents to less than 35 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:44.479 their season average points per game. UCLA is coming in averaging thirty point eight 36 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:50.520 eight, so pretty much thirty one points and only letting up fifteen. Arizona's 37 00:02:50.560 --> 00:02:53.960 averaging thirty one in a quarter and their opponents are bringing in twenty one. 38 00:02:54.039 --> 00:02:55.719 That's all I'm saying. This is gonna be a you know, a twenty 39 00:02:55.719 --> 00:02:59.360 to seventeen game or something like that. It's gonna be hard to score, 40 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:02.439 mean, something that we're not used to, you know. I think it's 41 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:06.520 gonna be a you know, it's not gonna be like a you know, 42 00:03:06.680 --> 00:03:08.159 a Dick told me ten to seven gangs, Steve. But I think it's 43 00:03:08.199 --> 00:03:13.759 gonna be something like that, you know, twenty one, twenty twenty one 44 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:16.960 seven, which means, of course, bit over. I agree with you. 45 00:03:17.080 --> 00:03:21.840 I mean they've all kind of trended that way anyway, right, Yeah, 46 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:25.759 last week was under. Yeah yeah, well Arizona is seven and one, 47 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:30.280 is six one and seven or they've it's gone under. They've gone under 48 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:34.719 like seven out of eight times. Okay, right that they were covered. 49 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:39.039 They've covered, Yeah, seven and one against the spread, so America's team, 50 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:43.199 Yeah, exactly, man. And you know what, Steve, if 51 00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:46.879 I, if I wasn't the kiss of death, I would also be seven 52 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:51.680 and one. I refused to take him, even though I know recovering you 53 00:03:51.719 --> 00:03:58.800 could believe he could believe whatever he is. Let me see what those weeks. 54 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:10.159 What if today I believe I believe? Yeah? Well, uh uh. 55 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:15.879 The Michigan saga continues. So now today a video was posted of this 56 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:21.839 guy, Connor Stallion's standing next to the Michigan uh, the Michigan defensive coordinator 57 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:28.079 against Ohio State last year, and you can tell from the video that he 58 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:33.480 says to the coordinator, run right, and then you can do the coordinator 59 00:04:34.199 --> 00:04:40.120 yells something to onto the field to the adjustment to the defense, I guess, 60 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:45.160 and Ohio State runs the ball, run right, and Michigan stuffs it. 61 00:04:45.920 --> 00:04:50.399 And so you know, there was also a conference call yesterday with all 62 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:56.480 the with all the Big Ten coaches, and then after I guess, uh, 63 00:04:56.680 --> 00:05:01.000 Jim Harbaugh was excused from the call, and every coach was saying that 64 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:04.040 Big Ten's got to do something about it. They're pissed. They feel that 65 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:09.360 it's had a big impact on their games. They feel he's they think he's 66 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:13.560 cheating, they think it's it's been a huge advantage to do what they're doing 67 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:18.439 because some you know, some people have said it or even even a jedf 68 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:20.879 Fish sid I don't know how I would use that information. I don't know 69 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:25.720 how I could get it fast enough to make an adjustment. But the right 70 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:29.560 But then you see this video and you see that they're clearly doing it, 71 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:32.959 so you know, the Big ten coach are big Yeah, the Big ten 72 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:38.639 coaches they want him punished. They they want him they feel like he should 73 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:42.600 not be able to play for the Big Ten championship first of all, and 74 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:44.879 that the Big ten needs to do something. Now. The nsul A double 75 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:46.759 A is not going to do anything. They're not. They're not because there's, 76 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:49.560 you know, just the process it was, you know, you especially 77 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:53.480 right there, you have you have to tell him there's a you know, 78 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:56.160 there's they've broken the rule. They've got to have time to appeal, YadA, 79 00:05:56.240 --> 00:06:00.959 YadA, YadA. But the Big ten can take they can do something 80 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:02.360 because they don't have to have they don't have any of that they can do 81 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:06.720 that, but questions would they do that with a team that's one of the 82 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:11.720 favorites to win the national chem right, And if they do, Jim Harboll's 83 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:14.120 gone. Oh I was just gonna say that if he if they do that, 84 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:16.000 he's gone. He'll leave, whether if he coaches next year, and 85 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:20.680 then you'll go somewhere else. He's got three things going on, you know, 86 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:26.120 three uh you know, quote unquote if you want to call him scandals 87 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:29.319 going on. He's got, you know, the recruiting thing, you know, 88 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:31.839 the the you know, the the recruiting during the COVID time. And 89 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:38.199 then he's got you know, the defensive coach who's got some you know, 90 00:06:38.519 --> 00:06:42.279 cyber crime that he's being accused of. Yeah, yeah, you know. 91 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:46.439 And now this but this one, you know, I mean, this is 92 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:48.920 stuff that was going It's been going on this season, not just last year 93 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:53.279 or the year before. You know, there's a great article in the Athletic 94 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:57.279 talking about what the you know, they talked to three or four of the 95 00:06:57.319 --> 00:07:00.000 big ten coaches. We're all saying this is crap and they need to do 96 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:03.560 something about it. What if they don't do something, well, that's it. 97 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:06.879 And if they don't do something, then you've got if if you don't 98 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:12.399 do something, you've made one school happy and you've pissed off the other o 99 00:07:12.439 --> 00:07:15.360 th team, that's my point, completely pissed off the other their game, 100 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:18.079 you know, and you could you could see the other team saying, guess 101 00:07:18.079 --> 00:07:21.160 what, you're fired, you know, to the to the Big Ten commissioner 102 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:24.519 if he refuses to do anything. I mean, any one of a number 103 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:28.600 of scenarios it can happen out there with this. It's nuts. And you 104 00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:31.000 also have a team of players that are having a great year, like the 105 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:34.319 actual kids, the individuals on the team that probably likely had nothing to do 106 00:07:34.360 --> 00:07:39.199 with it. Well, well that's that's the other let's stop this run right, 107 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:42.000 right, and so you have a great season and now this is happening 108 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:46.319 around right programming. That's just unfortunately and that's and that's that's the flip side 109 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:47.120 of it, the tough part of it. Well, the kids didn't have 110 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:49.879 anything to do it. They're just doing with their coaches. So you're gonna 111 00:07:49.879 --> 00:07:53.480 take this away from the kids because the coaches did that. But sometimes, 112 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:57.079 you know, sometimes you got to punish the adults and the kids or you 113 00:07:57.120 --> 00:08:01.519 know, are collateral collateral damage. Well that's how it usually is. Yeah, 114 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:05.079 yeah, you know, I mean, you know your dad goes to 115 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:07.519 jail. Well that's not good for the kids either, Right, I've seen 116 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:13.600 enough daylines to know that. But but you know that that is the thing, 117 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:16.399 you know. And then there's also the you know, the the you 118 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:20.639 know, the Michigan quarterback McCarthy. You know, he's a Heisman candidate. 119 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:26.720 Okay, if you know think you people think he's playing great because because of 120 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:28.720 this, because his coaches are cheating. That's true, that's true. You 121 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:33.960 know. In fact, I saw something earlier this morning where Caleb is not 122 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:37.919 the number one choice now anymore. He's you know, Williams, He's not 123 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:41.919 the number one choice. I didn't read the story to see. I don't 124 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:46.240 know. I don't know. And he's done a pretty good job outside of 125 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:48.759 the ross. He's a craphead. He's lost to in a row when I 126 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:52.720 picked him. So he's not getting my heisman. But I can tell you 127 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:56.480 that right now. Well, I'm sure he's losing a lot of sleep. 128 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:09.120 What if what if in the exactly exactly all right, Well, you know, 129 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:13.279 you feel like they got to do something. We didn't talk about this 130 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:16.960 well, we talked about this SUBS women's basketball team. Did we talk about 131 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:22.200 I don't think something at length? Just just know what the five? No, 132 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:24.559 we talked about maybe that we were going to talk about. But I 133 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:28.759 don't know what's going on. I've never seen this five five players for the 134 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:35.879 exhibition last night there they had a sixth available and she ended up having to 135 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:39.240 come into the game when one of the players hurt her shoulder right with like 136 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:41.799 thirty seconds left. But as Mary Martinez, who was supposed to be there, 137 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:46.720 she had she had a migraine. But for whatever reason, none of 138 00:09:46.759 --> 00:09:52.559 these players were playing. You have to wonder is this going to be a 139 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:58.840 season long problem? Now we excuse me. We listened to ideas of postgame 140 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:01.919 press conference and she said there were probably two other players that had this been 141 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:07.080 a non exhibition game, were a much more important game, they would have 142 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:09.360 played, with Helena Playo being one of those. They said, they probably 143 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:13.559 would have you know, put some you know, given as Mary Martinez some 144 00:10:13.639 --> 00:10:16.200 meds and gotten her in the game. And I think there was one other 145 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:20.720 player who could have played. So but nonetheless, you know, when you 146 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:26.480 got ten players on your roster, the margin is thin even even when you 147 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:28.399 have ten, right, even when she has five. Yeah. They played 148 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:33.480 with the running clock last night. The the it was a short night, 149 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:37.159 was in San Diego, but it was a short night. They had a 150 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:39.759 running clock to put the coach agreed to let him have a running clock, 151 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:45.799 so they ran the clock except for the last minute of each ap So you 152 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:48.559 had a short night. And I turned on the radio at seven forty five 153 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:50.279 the game was already over. Yeah. Typically it's a two hour game, 154 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:52.559 right, and it was two they were over. Yeah, and it was 155 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:56.720 fairly close. Yeah, yeah, but you know, again you could tell 156 00:10:56.759 --> 00:11:01.440 you could tell the in the fourth quarter the five on the players were we're 157 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:05.080 clearly running out of gas defending and stuff like that. And Ada talked about 158 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:07.480 how, you know, she thought, you know, they really gutted it 159 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:09.879 out to you know, to just stick with it and and you know, 160 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:13.799 and play this game. But it couldn't been easy. And you know, 161 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:18.000 they still played hard and I didn't notice that they were defending. They weren't 162 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:24.639 slacking off. They played hard. They won the game. And you know 163 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:28.279 the good thing about it is at least they had all the positions covered, 164 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:30.759 right, they had They had a couple of guards. They had a you 165 00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:33.759 know, and that kind of thing, so they had it wasn't like there're 166 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:39.159 anybody who's playing out a position because of that. Yeah, okay, so 167 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:43.200 but it was I've never seen that, you know, thirty thirty three years 168 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:46.480 at the table, I've never seen an exhibition or anything where there were only 169 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:50.159 five players out on the court available. Yeah, and then there was a 170 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:52.919 chance because somebody else got hurt for a moment, right right, Yeah, 171 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:56.639 well, yeah, the one of the girls who wasn't going to play, 172 00:11:56.960 --> 00:11:58.519 but she came in and played the last thirty second. I think she scored 173 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:03.679 and got a block shot and stop. So they were guiding the box score, 174 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:07.240 they were talking about her. So I didn't hear the player who hurt 175 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:09.679 her shoulder. I didn't hear. You know what happened? Did you know? 176 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:13.879 It looked like she dislocated the shoulder and then popped it back in right 177 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:18.279 there, But I couldn't tell, you know, yeah, exactly. So, 178 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:22.679 well the girl two years ago, Kate Reese. Yeah, so I 179 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:28.240 don't don't know what happened there, but man, five players on the on 180 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:31.200 the court for that game kind of crazy. There's a a couple more things, 181 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:37.039 uh, Seth Davis and Jeff Goodman put out a top twenty five pre 182 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:41.840 season basketball. They each do one and then they sort of combine it to 183 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:43.919 together. When they've got there's a little lower than the others. They got 184 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:50.159 air in their in their composite. When they got Arizona at sixteen, Seth 185 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:54.639 Jeff Goodman has Arizona at nineteen, and Seth Davis has Arizona at thirteen. 186 00:12:56.480 --> 00:13:00.320 So that you know there are twelfth, but the twelfth, eleventh and the 187 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:05.000 Okay, so this is Goodman and Saith Davis. Okay, two West Coast 188 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:07.440 guys. Goodman came here. And by the end in March, when Arizona's 189 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:11.360 doing really well, guess who's gonna be high fiving them in the locker room. 190 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:18.080 You can take that whatever it's worth. You know exactly what. I 191 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:20.200 know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. Do you know what 192 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:24.360 you're saying? It happens. Oh what do you mean? I didn't know 193 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:28.080 you nineteen? Yes you did? Oh man? All right? So anyway, 194 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:33.919 so that again interesting that last night. Man, if I'm a dear 195 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:39.000 Barnes, I'm worried. But yeah, even if you have seven eight I'm 196 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:41.840 worried. Yeah, because that was the thing. That's okay, five players 197 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:43.600 will take they were well, first of all, I get there and they 198 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:46.440 say they've only got five players running the clock, and I'm like, what, 199 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:50.120 Well, but they would have got a fout trouble. No get it. 200 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:56.080 They did get a technical okay, because they only put five names in 201 00:13:56.120 --> 00:14:00.480 the score book. Well, then they had to bring in this one and 202 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:03.039 she wasn't in the score books, so they did. 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I'm Steve Rivera, 282 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:52.920 He's Jacob Zellas. Now on the line, we have John Wilner from the 283 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:56.880 Pecqwolve Hotline. How you doing John, I'm good. Thanks, How you 284 00:19:56.960 --> 00:20:03.440 guys, We're doing well? Things going on with the PAC twelve Anything surprising 285 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:07.079 you surprising to you, I don't know three quarters of the season, if 286 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:11.559 we're there yet. Well, Arizona's spies me a little bit. I didn't 287 00:20:11.599 --> 00:20:15.839 think they would be quite this good, and you think about how close they've 288 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:21.640 been to you know, being six or two even seven and one. Defense 289 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:26.400 is much much better than I expected. They're better at the line of scrimmage, 290 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:30.079 you know, they're bigger. They just look like a major college team 291 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:34.519 up front. And certainly know if Afida has been been terrific, so Arizona 292 00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:38.200 would be, you know, close to the top of the list of surprises. 293 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:41.799 You know, I can't help, you know, being being an Arizona 294 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:47.400 fan and just the fact that you know, everything bad happens at the end. 295 00:20:47.440 --> 00:20:52.000 I'm sitting here as a Pac twelve fan, waiting for everything to implode, 296 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:55.759 waiting for it to just, you know, USC to go beat Washington 297 00:20:55.799 --> 00:20:59.000 and Oregon to lose it to somebody that they're not supposed to and then you 298 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:03.039 know, just I'll become a mess. I mean, that's just the way 299 00:21:03.079 --> 00:21:04.000 I feel about it. Well, what are you saying, I mean, 300 00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:08.640 are Oregon Washington far enough ahead that they're not going to do anything stupid over 301 00:21:08.680 --> 00:21:12.920 the next few weeks. Well, I mean, they got tough schedules, 302 00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:18.359 that's for sure. Washing it's still got to play USC, Utah, Oregon 303 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:22.039 State, Washington State. I think Oregon is the best team, you know, 304 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:26.960 even though they lost by three points in Seattle. I mean that's you 305 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:30.359 know, tough environment, good opponent, that's you know, that's that's kind 306 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:34.200 of a neutral result in my mind. It doesn't take away from how good 307 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:37.319 they are. To me, they're the They're the best team on both sides 308 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:41.039 of scrimmage, and I don't think they're going to lose. So the question 309 00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:47.319 is, well, the Huskies get through with only one loss, but patchwell 310 00:21:47.440 --> 00:21:51.880 needs to have two teams in Vegas that only have one loss, one or 311 00:21:51.960 --> 00:21:55.720 zero losses. That way, the winner is basically guaranteed to get to the 312 00:21:55.759 --> 00:22:00.160 playoffs. Yeah, I mean that's how we see it. But you know 313 00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:03.240 the problem is getting there. And again, I mean, you know who 314 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:07.279 expects I mean I thought Arizona computer Oregon State. I didn't expect it. 315 00:22:07.559 --> 00:22:10.880 I thought Arizona could be Washington State. I didn't expect it, you know, 316 00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:14.119 and they probably should have beat USC. So I mean, it's still 317 00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:18.400 the league that anything can happen, because it's so dang deep. Yeah, 318 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:22.519 no, that's true. And Stanford and as are both one games now, 319 00:22:22.599 --> 00:22:27.039 right, And a lot of it is how good is the bottom because if 320 00:22:27.079 --> 00:22:33.119 the if the worst teams are competitive, then it gets much harder to get 321 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:37.279 your your top teams through unscathed. And you know, both Stanford and Will 322 00:22:37.279 --> 00:22:41.079 not only have one games, but have been very close in other games different 323 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:45.759 almost be Washington. You know, ASU came close to beating Colorado and Washington, 324 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:49.640 right, So that's that's a big part of it as well. Arizona 325 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:55.240 has been, you know, better than expected and certainly has done very well. 326 00:22:55.480 --> 00:22:56.640 It gets the pointspread, right, I mean, I think they've covered 327 00:22:56.680 --> 00:23:02.440 seven out of their eight games because the public didn't expect this, so the 328 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:07.559 points breads don't really reflect how good they are. But they they've they've been 329 00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:11.000 very very good and and I think they've got their quarterback in the future. 330 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:15.839 Yeah, no question. I still don't know if they fully believe because you 331 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:18.640 know, like Jay says, I think they're they're sitting on their edge of 332 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:22.160 their seat wondering, Okay, when's it gonna blow up under the crown? 333 00:23:22.279 --> 00:23:23.440 Well, yeah, you know, I think this is gonna this is a 334 00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:26.960 huge game. U c l A is really good on the defensive front. 335 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:32.920 They might have the best front seven in the conference. I mean, it's 336 00:23:32.920 --> 00:23:37.559 certainly at Oregon's level and Utah's level, So it'll be real to me, 337 00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:40.200 it's gonna be real interesting. I could I think this could be a hard 338 00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:42.359 game for Arizona win. I thought the Cats had a better chance to beat 339 00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:47.839 Oregon State than they they just beat u c l A. Interesting. So, 340 00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:51.759 you know, with all as as you mentioned a minute ago, you 341 00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:56.160 feel like the if both, if two teams can get to Las Vegas with 342 00:23:56.240 --> 00:23:59.559 one loss or less, that that the PAC twelve is in. But yet 343 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:04.599 you see you see the the initial rankings come out in Washington, and Washington 344 00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:07.640 and Oregon you know, are on the outside looking in for now and again 345 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:11.720 it's off gonna flush out and it really doesn't matter right now. But I 346 00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:15.559 still thought i'd see one of the PACAF schools be in the top four. 347 00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:19.200 Well, Washington isn't in the top four because the way it's played the last 348 00:24:19.240 --> 00:24:23.519 two weeks. The committee was pretty clear that they didn't like the performances Gabay 349 00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:29.160 issue in Stanford. So they've got you got an undefeated ACC team ahead of 350 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:33.319 them, two one beating Big ten teams and unbeatn SEC team. One of 351 00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:37.119 those Big ten teams is going to have a loss here in a couple of 352 00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:41.559 weeks when Michigan plays Ohio State. Uh So, to me, the pack 353 00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:47.759 TWOV is still very much in really good shape to get its champion in if 354 00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:52.599 that champion is twelve and one, because to block a twelve you gotta have 355 00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:57.359 four teams blocking a twelve and one conference camp and that'll be hard for the 356 00:24:57.359 --> 00:25:02.240 Big Ten runner up. The loser of the Michigan Ohio stateum is not going 357 00:25:02.319 --> 00:25:07.200 to have a chance to play in the Big Ten championship game, whereas Washington 358 00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:12.119 or Oregon would be playing Washington or Oregon in that scenario, and that's a 359 00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:17.000 huge advantage on the final weekend of the season. Yeah, yeah, no 360 00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:19.920 questions, no questions, no doubt. So, okay, you brought up 361 00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:23.680 Michigan just real quick that stuff that's going on over there now, did you 362 00:25:23.720 --> 00:25:30.920 see today there's a video showing that Connor Stallion's guy standing next to the defensive 363 00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:37.359 coordinator and in slow motion it shows that he says to him, run right, 364 00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:40.759 it's against Ohio State and then Ohio State runs a play where they run 365 00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:42.839 to the right, and in the time after he told him to run to 366 00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:47.079 the right, it looked like the Michigan guy, the defensive coordinator, had 367 00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:51.519 chance to tell the defense what to do. I mean, this is the 368 00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:56.039 thing is getting pretty far along. You think there's any chance in hell the 369 00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:59.880 Big Ten does something about this? Well, the Big Ten coaches are furious. 370 00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:03.359 Are the athletic directors are as well. Conference office is paralyzed because they 371 00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:07.240 don't want to ban Michigan for the championship game. Fox is paying a lot 372 00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:12.880 of money and probably wants to have the option to put Michigan in that game 373 00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:18.799 if the Wolverines be Ohio State. So it's a tough spot for the Conference 374 00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:22.240 office. But to me, I mean it's it's getting worse by the day. 375 00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:27.839 Everyday new evidence comes out. Because everybody is so irritated about it, 376 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:33.519 they're all turning Michigan in. Yeah, right, schools are lined up to 377 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:37.799 provide evidence. I think it's horrendous. I think they should be barred from 378 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:41.200 the championship game and the playoff. I doubt the playoff will have the guts 379 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:45.640 to do it h And there should be severe sanctions. This is a massive 380 00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:52.319 competitive advantage acquired illegally. Uh, and it's effected. It's a real time 381 00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:55.759 deal. It's not like the recruiting thing that happened a year or two before 382 00:26:56.480 --> 00:27:00.440 and the kid is already in the NBA like in basketball, right, this 383 00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:04.680 is affecting the games now this season. Yeah, so we'll see if the 384 00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:08.759 Big Ten Conference office has has the guts to do something. They should. 385 00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:14.400 They got a new commissioner. This is a huge test of his authority and 386 00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:18.039 where his allegiance lie. I think that if he doesn't do anything, he 387 00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:22.480 is going to alienate thirteen schools, and one of those schools matters more than 388 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:27.480 the others. And if he gets across a cross with Ohio State that that's 389 00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:33.240 not good for him. So in your latest columns, where do you have 390 00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:36.160 Arizona complaint in the Bowl game? I think you had him at sun Bull 391 00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:42.119 at one point. Holiday Holiday, Yeah, I think that they've got a 392 00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:45.680 chance to win a couple more and you know they're going to benefit because the 393 00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:51.240 Holiday doesn't want to take UCLA because the Bruins back ount of that game two 394 00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:56.160 years ago and there's a lawsuit over it and uc was in the Sun Bowl 395 00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:59.240 last year. So those are two games that kind of in the middle of 396 00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:03.519 the pecking order, where UCLA, which is also in the middle of the 397 00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:07.319 standings with Arizona, neither bowl's gonna want the Bruins, and so I think 398 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:10.799 that's going to help open up a pathway for Arizona to maybe get to a 399 00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:15.079 better Bowl than folks expect. So I've got them in the Holiday. We'll 400 00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:17.680 see what happens this week. You know, obviously Utah is going to be 401 00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:21.680 a hard game, and U Game's gonna be hard. Yeah, yeah, 402 00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:23.640 no, none of those games. You know, we've we've been saying since 403 00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:27.079 the Washington game that Arizona can win all the rest of its games or lose 404 00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:30.440 all the rest of its game. And we had the two games they just 405 00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:33.440 won as questionable games. Yeah they were hard. They were definitely hard games. 406 00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:37.119 Here's the question, and what's going to happen to the Rose Bowl. 407 00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:45.519 Is it just going to become an unaffiliated playoff site, or you know, 408 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:48.759 is there something down the road where the Big Ten and another conference can still 409 00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:52.960 be earmarked if it's not in the playoff part of the playoff what I don't 410 00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:56.480 know what the playoff situation is once you get with the Bowl with those games, 411 00:28:56.519 --> 00:29:00.240 once you get to the twelve team playoff, yeah, it's it's gonna 412 00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:07.799 be unaffiliated. Right. The last Big Ten versus Pack twelve was last year 413 00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:15.240 because this year it's a semi final and then next year the expanded playoff starts. 414 00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:22.000 So what's gonna happen is, you know, it's a in a three 415 00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:26.200 year rotation, the Rose Bowl will be a quarterfinal game two out of three 416 00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:30.400 years, which means it will be played on New Year's Day like normal two 417 00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:33.119 pm Pacific. It's just not going to be packed twelve verse Big Ten. 418 00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:37.279 It's going to be a playoff quarterfinal two out of three years. Then the 419 00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:41.359 third year in that rotation, it's going to be a semi final, which 420 00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:45.599 means it'll be played, you know, somewhere around January eighth or ninth, 421 00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:48.880 a week after the quarterfinals. The question is what will the game? What 422 00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:52.920 will it do in those years when it's hosting a semi final on January eighth? 423 00:29:53.359 --> 00:30:00.880 Will it try to stage some kind of many traditional Rose on January first? 424 00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:07.319 Now that's a big sticking point because the other quarter final games don't want 425 00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:12.119 to have a real Rose Bowl that's not a quarter final up against their games, 426 00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:15.880 So we'll see. But that's kind of how the model is set up. 427 00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:21.119 Okay, all right, So I don't want to put any PTSD in 428 00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:23.759 your head, John, given what you've done in the last couple of years 429 00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:27.599 with the realignment and stuff. But who do you think benefits the most football 430 00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:33.839 wise, not basketballs by moving to the Big twelve? By moving to the 431 00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:37.839 Big twelve, who benefits the most? And let me kind of give you 432 00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.200 our segue because we've talked about this for a while now, Jay and I, 433 00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:45.119 which of course we agree which is the shock but Arizon of benefits. 434 00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:48.400 I don't know if they've benefit the most. But there's no UCLA, there's 435 00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:52.519 no USC there's no Oregon, there's no Washington. Right, So that's been 436 00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:56.319 one of the big determines from or detriments for you Arizona. Now they don't 437 00:30:56.359 --> 00:31:00.319 have that in the Big Twelve. So which kind of team will be at 438 00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:04.519 most by moving over? You're talking about just football? Just football, Basketball 439 00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:14.039 is a totally different devil. Good question, I think, Utah, Yeah, 440 00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:17.160 I agree to maybe because the power here, right, I mean the 441 00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:19.640 schedule. We saw the schedule come out yesterday, and if you think you're 442 00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:26.880 the Big the Big Twelve champ will be in the playoff, But will the 443 00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:30.119 Big twelve runner up? I don't know. I think it's gonna be hard 444 00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:33.599 for the league to get two teams in on a regular basis. So to 445 00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:37.519 me, Utah has got an easier path, right they keep going like they're 446 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:41.200 going. They're they're probably the you know, the best program and in that 447 00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:45.640 conference right then they don't have to deal with with the work in Washington and 448 00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:51.240 USC anymore so to me, it just benefits the going to a league that 449 00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:56.839 is more balanced but doesn't have any blue bloods just benefits the best program and 450 00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:59.839 that. And that's the weird thing because you know, the Big Twelve announced 451 00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:04.359 the football opponents for the next four years yesterday, and I was I looked 452 00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:06.680 at all four years and I said, there isn't a team in there that 453 00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:09.400 I don't think. For instance, Arizona can you know, can't be there's 454 00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:13.640 not one. You know, you got b y U, TCU, Utah. 455 00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:15.279 You know, who knows what Colorado is gonna do the next year. 456 00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:19.880 But as you said, no, there isn't any what you call blue blood 457 00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:22.759 there's anybody in there. You just think Arizona's not gonna be able to beat 458 00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:23.920 any of those teams year in and year out. They can't. No, 459 00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:28.000 that's true. I just I just published a column on that, like an 460 00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:30.559 hour ago. The Big the blessing is the same as the curse for the 461 00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:35.559 Big twelve. There's no blue bloods. There's no games other for if you're 462 00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:38.200 an Arizona fan, other days, you there's no games you're circling, right, 463 00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:42.880 It's not like Oregon is circling ten State coming to town. So, 464 00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:46.200 but that is also the blessing because it's there's a lot of parody. It's 465 00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:51.519 gonna be very competitive. Uh, there's they don't have to worry about getting 466 00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:57.319 poached anymore. So it's it's it's a there there's a lot of alignment, 467 00:32:57.400 --> 00:33:01.480 competitive alignment in the conference. Uh, there's no there's no games you can't 468 00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:06.839 wait to see. But there's also nobody that you can't be right, right, 469 00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:08.839 we got a couple of minutes here, let's switch to basketball. How 470 00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:13.680 how much are you looking forward to the season and who's your pick to win 471 00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:19.599 it all? I believe the season starts. Is it Monday? Monday? 472 00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:24.319 Monday Monday. I'm not I'm not quite ready. It's not Christmas, but 473 00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:29.359 what it feels like that I pick Kansas to win it all? But who 474 00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:32.200 knows I got. I haven't spent a whole lot of time on it. 475 00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:37.319 I do have Arizona my tongues, and I think either they might be eleventh, 476 00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:38.680 ten or eleven. I like USC two. I think they got a 477 00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:45.039 good backcourt. PAC twelve be pretty good. Uh. You know, it's 478 00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:50.200 shoot, get five teams in the tournament, maybe six, Uh, we'll 479 00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:54.200 see the non conference. Those first five or six weeks are huge for the 480 00:33:54.240 --> 00:34:00.319 PAC twelve because it sets your net ranking, and that basically determines what happens, 481 00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:04.559 you know, on selection Sunday. Okay, I'm assuming when you said 482 00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:07.920 five or six, I'm assuming U C L a USC, Arizona in there. 483 00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:12.119 Who who are the other three that you that you like? I think 484 00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:16.280 Colorado is going to be pretty good? Uh? And I also did I 485 00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:20.679 like Colorado's guy. They got a big time freshman coming in and a good 486 00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:28.480 transfer. And then you know, somewhere between Oregon and ASU maybe Utah. 487 00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:31.599 I think they'll they'll be a fifteen in there. Okay, all right, 488 00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:35.760 Washington could be a little bit of a surprise too. Wow, which would 489 00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:38.280 be a surprise, isn't What isn't their coach on the hot seat a little 490 00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:42.960 bit any time on the hot seat, and he's got to get to the 491 00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:45.199 tournament, I think, to save his job. Yeah. Yeah, and 492 00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:47.760 they haven't been good at all. Okay, Okay, thanks John, Hey, 493 00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:51.079 John, appreciate it. Man, go pick up your kid. Wait, 494 00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:53.920 I know this personal buddy. So your kids playing travel baseball? What 495 00:34:53.960 --> 00:35:01.000 the heck your travel baseball? Dad? Now, fortunately the travel is within 496 00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:07.360 about an hour of because otherwise during college football season it be a little difficult. 497 00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:09.360 Well, we'll have try with that, man. Yeah, have fun. 498 00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:15.360 That's very cool. All right, all right, thanks don no good 499 00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:22.360 stuff. You know again, like I said at at the top, I'm 500 00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:24.519 just waiting for the pac club to just start, you know what. The 501 00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:29.199 well, let's go specifically joining itself, so you know, okay, take 502 00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:30.800 our break, we'llcome back. Okay, and let let's uh, let's let's 503 00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:34.320 sure, let's go on with that. We'll do that. Okay, So 504 00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:36.760 stick around. We're going to be back in just a few minutes. We'll 505 00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:39.320 talk some more packed buff football. If you're an Arizona men's basketball fan, 506 00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:43.960 you know it's been successful for nearly forty years. Now take a look back 507 00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:45.800 at the Ludolsen era. In my new book, Lessons from Loot, it 508 00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:49.880 was a labor of love through the eyes of twenty five former players, coaches 509 00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:52.280 and friends to give insight to the coach and the man who led them, 510 00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:57.039 competed against them, and inspired them. 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We want you to join the Action. 552 00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:01.360 A Team offers a fun and exciting opportunity to work in the sports and 553 00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:06.280 entertainment industry, with flexible schedules that are perfect for those looking for a part 554 00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:08.639 time job or a second income. Come be a part of a winning team 555 00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:16.119 The A Team apply online today at a team security dot net. Breaking down 556 00:39:16.239 --> 00:39:22.639 all the ex's and oh it's Steve Rovera and Jagen Salmas. This is I 557 00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:27.559 on the Ball on Fox Sports fourteenth fifty. Hey, welcome back to I'm 558 00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:30.760 the Mall here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. You're Jiginsaus 559 00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:34.480 the good Duck to John. Yeah, always good, a lot of good 560 00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:37.880 insight. We were talking more about the PAC twelve. I think that the 561 00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:42.719 gate crasher. The gate crasher has kind of been Arizona a little bit. 562 00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:45.920 You know, we seventh eighth, but they're gonna might be finishing higher than 563 00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:49.400 that. Well, you know, Oregon State came in last you know, 564 00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:52.880 last week with one loss. Still have hopes of you know, go win 565 00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:55.000 some games, you know, pull a couple of upsets, they've sort of 566 00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:59.400 been the dark horse. Yeah, and you know, and then Arizona beat 567 00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:01.440 them and kind of as their party, right, And the same with Washington 568 00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:04.719 State. Washington State was you know, cruising long and all of a sudden 569 00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:07.519 they get waxed by Arizona and now they're on a skid. No, they're 570 00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:09.280 in't cruising anymore. Okay, cool, All right, we have a caller 571 00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:14.079 and we think we know who this is. Yes, hello, coaches, 572 00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:20.639 this you coach? How's it going? Oh? Who's this? That's right? 573 00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:24.679 Right? Yeah, go ahead, Okay, Ray, what's on your 574 00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:31.400 mind? Question about the USC game and the and there're two points converged run 575 00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:36.199 by Williams. If anybody looked at that, if he actually got in the 576 00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:38.280 end zone, I'm sure on the two point, no, they sacked, 577 00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:44.599 They dropped him like five yards nout Williams. Caleb Williams. Yeah, he 578 00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:49.760 tucked the ball inside the inside the inside the kong. Yes, he did 579 00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:53.800 get in that that got played. No, no, no, no, 580 00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:59.239 yeah, that was my question. Yeah, yeah it got thank you, 581 00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:01.920 Ray, it got reviewed. And uh right, and he was he was 582 00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:05.960 he did not step out and he did get the ball, right, if 583 00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:07.840 there's anything questionable, it's the reaching the ball over the cone. But right, 584 00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:12.239 but he got it around. Yeah, that was there was no argument 585 00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:15.559 on that one. Right. Again, too bad for that. But what 586 00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:17.800 if? What if? What if? I thought when he said Williams like 587 00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:22.800 that? Uh, he was talking about DJ Williams. So oh yeah, 588 00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:24.679 no, yeah, all right, so they player had no hope, it 589 00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:29.039 had zero hope. Right, So we were talking about Arizona being the gate 590 00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:32.440 crasher because look, they're they're better than Oregon start. You know, you 591 00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:37.599 know when you we just talked about with with the with Wilner, I totally 592 00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:38.840 say that. I've said this since they lost to Washington. They're the better 593 00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:43.960 team there and they've kind of shown it, maybe indirectly. Uh but but 594 00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:46.800 now that we know to this point, don't you think that Arizona overall is 595 00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:53.400 better than Oregon State? Oregon State if they played ten times, it'd be 596 00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:57.440 like a five five split. Okay, sure, okay, and then we'll 597 00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:00.440 go to the other ones. Right, let's take this call. Coach is 598 00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:04.559 a shoot, yes it is, coach, How were you? Thanks for 599 00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:07.480 calling? This is Jim Rosborough. Jim Rosborough, a former Arizona assistant former 600 00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:14.000 Iowa assistant now a PEMA College assistant. Jim, how are you really well? 601 00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:16.679 Thank you? So I reached out to you, coach for one reason. 602 00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:19.719 We talked to you every now and again. But I'm thinking, who 603 00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:23.599 knows Bobby Knight fairly well or went against him a number of times back in 604 00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:27.159 the good old days. And I know you and I have talked a number 605 00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:31.840 of times about those rivalries with lut and Bobby. Tell me how intense were 606 00:42:31.880 --> 00:42:37.199 they? Well, I mean, if anybody you know who wasn't around when 607 00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:42.599 Knight was coaching, watched last night from these highlights and so on, I 608 00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:47.119 mean it was really intense. He was you know, you hate to blast 609 00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:52.719 the guy, but he was in camp. He was nasty on the referees, 610 00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:57.599 on his kids, really really competitive, and you know, we were 611 00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:00.719 struggling to build our program. I don't know if you guys looked up at 612 00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:06.239 the first year we were at Iowa went into Indiana and we lost one hundred 613 00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:09.519 and two to forty nine. And the interesting thing is we're down about thirty 614 00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:13.360 with seven minutes to go. In the crowds going nuts. I mean, 615 00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:16.239 it's like they're playing for the national title. It turns out that on the 616 00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:20.039 back of the ticket. If you had your ticket stuff, you got a 617 00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:24.679 free McDonald tamburger and a soft drink. So everybody wanted us to score under 618 00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:29.960 fifty and Indiana to go over one hundred and one hundred and two to forty 619 00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:35.719 nine. The rivalry, the rivalry is intense. Luke got into it big 620 00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:38.400 time with the director of the bands. One time they tried to punch each 621 00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:42.760 other out going off the court, and it was tough, and you know, 622 00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:46.400 you always felt the referees were being intimidated by night, which probably they 623 00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:51.440 were, and it was. It was a rough, rough go early but 624 00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:54.119 seven. If I could just say one real quick thing, I wouldn't be 625 00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:57.960 doing this show. I wouldn't be knowing you guys, I wouldn't be talking 626 00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:01.320 to anybody except for by night. Because all we wanted to do when we 627 00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:07.800 got Diawa was get players could score against their defense and people that could, 628 00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:15.760 you know, do everything against Indiana, score against their defense and defend them. 629 00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:19.199 And it wasn't easy either way. It was tough. So yeah, 630 00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:22.199 I was very competitive. But when you think about that, you know, 631 00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:24.880 the recruiting against him, playing against him, you know what, what were 632 00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:34.079 the hardest things about that losing Isaiah Thomas. Oh wow, okay, I 633 00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:37.559 mean not to say myself. I saw him at the senior in high school, 634 00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:40.519 played twenty sixth times. I went in for every one of his home 635 00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:44.679 games, probably the tournament. Thought we had a good shot at him. 636 00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:46.679 We still had Ronnie Lester. They would have overlapped for a year, and 637 00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:51.119 that was kind of heartbreaking because we worked hard. But you know, his 638 00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:54.920 high school coach, like Bobby Knight run so that was hard. But otherwise 639 00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:59.360 we didn't totally knock as with him. He went for maybe a little bit 640 00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:06.079 different breeding kid. We were into the city of in the city, but 641 00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:08.320 we didn't bump into him a whole lot other than Isaiah. That was that 642 00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:12.800 was really a big one. And worked really hard on him, and that 643 00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:16.559 was that was disappointing. You guys probably looked at some of the records. 644 00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:21.920 I think over the last two or three years we ended up beating him five 645 00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:25.519 or six times. Now we played him eighteen times nine years times too, 646 00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:30.880 so they got a little bit better once we started being competitive with him. 647 00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:34.039 So it was it was fun. Yeah, I was gonna say by the 648 00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:37.280 end, you guys are pretty competitive, but tell me about the Everyone talks 649 00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:39.519 about the undefeated year, but the year before I think they only lost one 650 00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:45.039 game, right, Yeah, they were going to win the national title undefeated 651 00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:47.519 again. And then I think the forwards name was Scott May and he broke 652 00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:52.280 his wrists, so they whatever. Whenever they lost, they were about twenty 653 00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:55.599 nine thirty two and one. They would have won it that year. And 654 00:45:55.599 --> 00:46:00.480 then the next year they came back with everybody healthy and Buckner and all these 655 00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:05.199 guys. I mean, they were loaded, and they they were undefeated, 656 00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:09.960 and I can't remember the year seventy something. They were loaded, Kent, 657 00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:15.519 Kent, Benson inside the same of pearls, their sixth and seventh man were 658 00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:19.480 better than anybody we had. They were they were good. So as a 659 00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:22.119 as a as a coach at I was you would have seen Bobby Knight in 660 00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:29.599 environments where we as fans didn't see him. You know, there's a lot 661 00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:31.840 of discussion about, you know, was it a persona was he really like 662 00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:36.480 that? How much of what we saw from Bobby Knight, you know, 663 00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:40.880 throwing chairs and that kind of stuff, was what really who Bobby Knight was 664 00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:44.920 in terms of if you saw him behind the scenes, you know, at 665 00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:50.159 a luncheon or on the recruiting trail or something like that. Well, behind 666 00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:53.880 the behind the scenes, he was a totally different person. Judge Heathcote had 667 00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:59.239 a heart attack after practice that day. Bobby Knight chartered a private plane and 668 00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:05.639 well up East Lansing to see his competitive guy. Jud He was very, 669 00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:09.360 very kind behind the scenes. One of our big kids, Steve Crastison at 670 00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:14.960 the national finals one year, was there for something and befriended Bobby Knight's kid. 671 00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:17.760 Two weeks later crafts and gets the letter from Night thanking him. He 672 00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:22.039 was really a caring guy behind the scenes, as best I ever knew. 673 00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:27.480 Really did some very very nice things. But now when it got to basketball, 674 00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:30.920 dealing with his kids, his players, I mean, he was rough, 675 00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:36.199 and he was he was tough. So and then you see him out 676 00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:38.800 in the summer recruiting and getting looted it up in the back, you know, 677 00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:42.960 in the two deans of the league. They'd sit up there and talk 678 00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:46.280 and I think got along fairly well. But again, you didn't want to 679 00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:51.559 start beating him because that was that was not going to make him real happy. 680 00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:54.400 Behind the scenes, he was fine. No, I was going to 681 00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:59.480 ask you maybe just for the last second. The relationship that he had with 682 00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:05.519 Bobby did how was that well? I think he got better with time. 683 00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:08.679 I mean when Luke got there, nobody really knew him, didn't know his 684 00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:13.559 abilities, didn't know his skills, and we were not good. But I 685 00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:17.239 think there became a mutual respect. One interesting fact, we went to the 686 00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:23.320 National Tournament five years in a row eighty three through or below eighty three, 687 00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:27.599 seventy eight, eighty three, and Bobby Knight had never done that. So 688 00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:30.960 we were the first team in Big Ten history to go five straight years. 689 00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:36.280 So then I think there became what you're asking a muse from respect. Probably 690 00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:38.199 got along, probably talked basketball. I mean, I don't think they were 691 00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:43.199 out there talking hunting, fishing and about their families. But I think there 692 00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:45.639 was a mutroom respect, and Night knew what happened. We got good enough 693 00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:50.440 to beat him several times and once killed him by thirty, so I think 694 00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:52.199 he had a good respect for us. Yeah, makes sense. Hey, 695 00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:55.159 Jim, thanks thanks for calling in. Good luck. We'll talk to you 696 00:48:55.239 --> 00:49:00.679 soon on the new season. Very good to anytime guys you Rosboro. Yeah, 697 00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:05.360 I thought I'm sure we could go into dubb I would say we only 698 00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:07.440 had a couple of minutes left. I wanted to say, Okay, you 699 00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:10.320 know, lut famously would not play Bobby Knight, you know, in the 700 00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:15.079 regular season once he got to Arizona. You know, I'd love to hear 701 00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:17.800 you know the reason, the reason, the reasoning behind that. Maybe Bobby 702 00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:21.840 Knight said I'm not coming to do so and Luke said, I'm not going 703 00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:24.159 to Indiana. You know what. That's probably it, right, probably yea, 704 00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:30.440 rather coach k wouldn't do it. Yeah, and I'm sure Luke was 705 00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:34.639 in skeptical. And now look in the next week they go to Duke exact, 706 00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:38.639 Duke's coming back. Oh, yeah, exactly, exactly. I'm looking 707 00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:42.119 forward to that. It's gonna be fun, you know what. I'm looking 708 00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:44.239 forward to the fact that I'm gonna be in Vegas for that. That's gonna 709 00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:45.719 be a blast. It should be. Yeah, that would be cool. 710 00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:50.760 So that now, thanks to Jim Rosborough again for coming in and talking about 711 00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:54.320 that again. You know you're seeing all the yeah, pretty much every every 712 00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:58.679 oh bit of Bobby Knight. If you haven't read it, read the j 713 00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:04.480 Billis story. Okay. There was a lot of response to the great piece 714 00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:07.880 it's good. He's difficult, but he was his friend. You know, 715 00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:14.880 you've had you might be that guy for me, difficult friends. Oh what 716 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:19.119 are you looking at me for? But you're not that fat. No, 717 00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:22.719 I'm certainly not as fat as Bobby. But you know what I'm saying, 718 00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:25.559 Well, you know, there are people and then they're gone and you realize, 719 00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:30.119 wait a minute, I kind of like that guy. Whatever it was, 720 00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:31.639 that guy. You know, there are people like that that come across 721 00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:35.199 in your lives and you go, man, you were pain in the ass. 722 00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:39.519 But you were pain and you were our pain in the ass, and 723 00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:43.599 and we all loved you for being a pain in the ass. No, 724 00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:45.480 there's no doubt that they're you know, we probably you have those trends. 725 00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:49.199 You've had those trends. You to describe one or two to me, I 726 00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:52.079 mean, you love them because you love them, Yeah, and no, 727 00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:54.920 that's it. And so there's a lot of that going on. You know, 728 00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:58.360 a lot of people saying Bobby and I was a difficult guy, but 729 00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:01.199 damn it he was. He was a good guy and probably consistent. Yeah, 730 00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:05.559 yeah, pretty much every one of those things that you read, you 731 00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:08.079 know, Steve Alford was on on Dan Patrick this morning. You know, 732 00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:12.159 he and nine you know, I mean they battled, but yeah, Steve 733 00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:15.400 Alford, you know, so interesting stuff. So anyways, all right, 734 00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:19.280 okay, well, thanks to John Wilner for being here, thanks to Tracy 735 00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:22.480 McDonald from Bruin Blitz. He's picking the He's picking the Bruins over Arizona, 736 00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:25.800 as have all of the the writers we've had on for the other team. 737 00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:32.239 So so yeah, cocker. So we'll see what happens on Saturday, but 738 00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:36.639 we'll be back tomorrow. We're trying to preview some more u c l A 739 00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:39.239 Arizona and then as we head to the start of the regular season basketball, 740 00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:46.119 so be sure to be back tomorrow. Don't believe, just line. Don't 741 00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:53.079 believe just line.