WEBVTT 1 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:24.879 Hey there, and thanks so much for joining me for the show. It 2 00:00:24.960 --> 00:00:29.079 is Sunday. Merry Christmas to you all. I hope that you're having a 3 00:00:29.120 --> 00:00:34.119 great and wonderful holiday with your friends and family. Christmas is certainly a magical 4 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:37.399 time of the year, but it's also a time for me for reflection. 5 00:00:37.960 --> 00:00:41.759 Back in October of this year, the Bigfoot community lost a great researcher and 6 00:00:41.880 --> 00:00:45.960 fellow podcaster, and along with many people who knew him, I lost a 7 00:00:46.039 --> 00:00:50.719 friend. I had the pleasure of having Joe Schneider on my show back in 8 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:54.679 November of twenty twenty two, and shortly after I had him on my show, 9 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:58.320 I was a guest over on his show, Western New York Bigfoot Investigation 10 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:03.159 Group on YouTube, and less than a year later, Joe passed away in 11 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:07.439 October after losing his battle with cancer. As soon as I met Joe, 12 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:11.680 we hit it off almost immediately. We saw eye to eye on most things, 13 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:15.879 and one of my favorite things about Joe was he was unapologetically Joe for 14 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:19.120 everybody who knew him. That was his style and it was one of the 15 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:23.879 many things that I come to respect and love about Joe. So in tribute, 16 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:26.079 I decided to go back, pull his episode out of the archives and 17 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:30.760 remaster the audio and share it with you guys today. Joe was certainly a 18 00:01:30.840 --> 00:01:34.400 character, and he signed off his show the same way every single time, 19 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:38.280 and after the interview is over, I've got just a small clip of Joe 20 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:42.640 signing off here for the very last time from me to you, I hope 21 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:47.599 you all have a very merry Christmas. Now let's get into my interview with 22 00:01:47.719 --> 00:02:02.519 Joe from November of twenty and twenty two. Welcome to the show, Joe. 23 00:02:02.920 --> 00:02:06.359 Oh, thanks for having me man. I know we were trying to 24 00:02:06.400 --> 00:02:08.159 line something up with me being a guest on your show quite a while back, 25 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:10.560 and I had some kind of a scheduling conflict and we didn't make that 26 00:02:10.599 --> 00:02:15.240 happen. But I had a blast hopping on Squatch Talk with you and Leon 27 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:19.479 and Pat the other night. It was a good time and a good talk, 28 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:21.879 and I'm glad that we got to do that. So I'm certainly glad 29 00:02:21.879 --> 00:02:24.759 that you're here tonight. Absolutely, it was that was fun. I have 30 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:30.560 openings. So the invitation to be on the podcast is do you have two 31 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:34.960 to choose from, So depending on what day is easier for you, it's 32 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:39.800 either sat Squatch Random Live on Mondays or Joe asks, wait a minute, 33 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:44.639 what on Fridays? Awesome. We'll have to get that lined up for sure. 34 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:46.719 Folks may not know who you are. Explain to the audience who you 35 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:51.520 are, and talk a little bit about your background and what got you interested 36 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:55.120 in this bigfoot subject in the beginning. First of all, Western New York 37 00:02:55.120 --> 00:03:00.879 big But Investigation Group. That's my organizations what it's worth. It used to 38 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:07.919 be actually a Western New York Bigfoot research organization, but it changed and there's 39 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:09.759 many reasons for that. I'm not going to go off on my tendent, 40 00:03:09.879 --> 00:03:15.960 but Whiney Big is what it is basically, and I started it just five 41 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:21.080 six years ago. Really, up until then, I had no name for 42 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:27.000 an organization because I was just going out and trying to see if I could 43 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:30.080 find evidence of this thing. And I've been doing it since I was about 44 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:35.719 fourteen years old. Really Now, I never wanted anybody to get the idea 45 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:42.479 that I'm like a professional bigfoot researcher or a professional bigfoot investigator, because I'm 46 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:46.680 not. I'm just this has been a very fun and interesting hobby ever since 47 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:52.759 I was fourteen, and the reason I started at fourteen is I found a 48 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:54.439 footprint. I was squirrel hunting one day, which I did a lot of 49 00:03:54.560 --> 00:03:59.759 back down when I was a kid. I found a footprint by the side 50 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:03.000 of preak near where I lived. At first I thought it was a bear 51 00:04:03.080 --> 00:04:08.639 print, but on further inspection, even back then as a kid, I 52 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:11.960 knew what animal tracks look like. I'm not gonna bore everybody with the whole 53 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:16.079 story of that, but suffice to say that one footprint, which I absolutely 54 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:19.480 know was not a bear print at all, that's what got me started. 55 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:24.000 But at first I didn't think it was big foot. Of course, I 56 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:30.040 didn't really start thinking along those lines until not a little time sometime after finding 57 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:31.839 that footprint. I didn't even tell anybody that I found it because I didn't 58 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:35.120 want my father freaking out and you probably shouldn't go hunting in that area no 59 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:39.199 more or something for a while or whatever, because I was thinking it was 60 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:43.759 a big, crazy, army big one right that I saw in search of 61 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:48.759 And I saw the Patty film for the first time, it just dinged in 62 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:54.759 my head. Wow, I wonder if what left that footprint could actually be 63 00:04:54.800 --> 00:05:00.560 one of those things. And that's basically what got me started. So almost 64 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:03.079 forty five years ago, I just started in on this hobby man, just 65 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:08.560 trying to see if I could find more footprints the kid, you learn as 66 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:14.000 you go. I wasn't looking for back then, like structures or tree bricks. 67 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:16.879 I saw those China things all the time when I was hunting. It 68 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:23.040 would chalk them up as to whatever natural causes or bush trapping, somebody built 69 00:05:23.439 --> 00:05:26.439 some kind of lean to et cetera. I mean, to this day, 70 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:29.920 I still think of that. Most of that is what it is. But 71 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:33.040 just going through the years, just trying to find more of these things, 72 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:39.639 trying to see one and that didn't happen until about two years ago. Now, 73 00:05:39.720 --> 00:05:45.319 it's amazing to me that it happened at all. The odds I thought 74 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:48.279 were totally against it. And there's reasons that we can talk about later. 75 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:51.759 But yeah, two years ago, a little over two years ago now, 76 00:05:51.839 --> 00:05:56.800 because it was August to twenty twenty and I wasn't even looking. And of 77 00:05:56.839 --> 00:05:59.439 course people go, you find them when you're not looking for them. I 78 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:02.959 can't argue that. I cannot argue with that because during my encounter, I 79 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:08.040 was not thinking about looking for big food. I didn't have any footing it 80 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:12.759 with me or anything like that. I was simply in the woods that day 81 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:16.600 to go retrieve a hiking stick that i'd left out there like the week before. 82 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:19.879 I'd been out there. It's an area I love to go camping then. 83 00:06:20.600 --> 00:06:25.279 But that had several people report, some of which I believed. Some 84 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:29.000 I I'm not sure they might have been yank in my chain, but there 85 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:32.920 were. The important thing was there were some people that I did by incredible 86 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:38.199 that had reported, Yeah, there's something out here. I had found what 87 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:41.759 I thought could be a footprint. Now I casted it, it didn't turn 88 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:45.839 out I couldn't see any details. So even though the dimensions were right for 89 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:47.480 me to go it could be a sasquatchprint, I didn't know whether it really 90 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:51.399 was or not. But as I was casting, i'd left the hiking stick 91 00:06:53.160 --> 00:06:57.240 leaning against the nearby tree when I was doing that, and didn't realize I 92 00:06:57.360 --> 00:07:00.959 left it out there until I got all the way home. That next week, 93 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:02.360 I was out there just to go get that. I knew exactly where 94 00:07:02.399 --> 00:07:05.160 it was at, and I knew nobody would find. I knew it'd be 95 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:10.759 still leaning against that tree. Park my jeep hold rounds and I always do 96 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:15.720 this for whatever reason, and you've heard other people comment I always pull around 97 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:18.639 so that if I have to make a quick getaway for some reason, I'm 98 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:23.439 always pointed out the direction I have to leave him. So I park my 99 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:26.600 jeep like that, I get out of the jeep, I grab my phone 100 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:30.439 and stuff it in my back pocket, and I start walking into the woods. 101 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:32.560 And the trail I was on, if you want to call it a 102 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:39.759 trail, at one point, it was probably some kind of our logging road, 103 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:43.439 maybe when they were doing some kind of logging in there. It's very 104 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:47.120 overgo, very faint, but in some areas along it you can see where 105 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:51.079 there were tire rots at one point. But now it's more or less nothing 106 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:56.120 but a game trail, really, And I'm walking through that grass is really 107 00:07:56.199 --> 00:08:00.519 high, burns are really high, and I'm walking down this trail and I'm 108 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:03.879 heading in the direction that I have to go, and I'm keeping my eye 109 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:09.160 open for this one tree. It was a hardwood tree. I don't know 110 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:11.399 why. It was just weird. It had a bunch of pine boughs that 111 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:16.720 were like stacked in the center of a fork. It forked about seven foot 112 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:20.800 up, had these pine boughs that were alternating broken in on one end. 113 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:24.680 It's just weird. I'm not attributing that to anything to do with bakefoot, 114 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:28.639 but it was just weird that those ended up there. And I was trying 115 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:31.560 to figure out how to wind because there were some pine trees around, but 116 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:33.679 they were pretty far away from that tree. And so I always like to 117 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:39.320 figure out how could the wind have blown those broken branches, and how would 118 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:43.559 they have had to flip and hit different things in ricochet and then end up 119 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:46.240 in the bow in this thing. Right, So I'm looking for that tree 120 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:50.240 because I know I got to turn to the right to go towards where my 121 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:54.039 hiking stick is. So I see the tree coming up. I glance up 122 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:56.879 at it. Bows are still there, nothing's changed about it. I get 123 00:08:56.960 --> 00:09:01.200 right up next to the tree and I look for right dead ahead of me, 124 00:09:01.720 --> 00:09:05.200 and I know I must have looked right at it and did not see 125 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:09.279 it. But there was a big ass dough laying in the grass there in 126 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:13.799 the ferns and the high grass. I did not see that deer until I 127 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:16.960 took a step forward. Then that's when the deer decided I was getting too 128 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:20.960 close. She popped up and ran to the left and scared me because I 129 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:24.279 wasn't expecting it. I had been looking right at and didn't see her until 130 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:28.320 she flowed out of that grass. She ran to the left. I was 131 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:35.679 tracking her, but all this happening so fast. In like seconds, she 132 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:39.399 jumped I did that. I heard screams from my right. I snapped my 133 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:43.559 head to my right, and there it was. There he stood. Man. 134 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:48.679 It was covered in hair, dark black hair, all hanging in front 135 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:52.440 of his face and stuff. But I could see his face through his hair, 136 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:56.679 and I could see it well enough. That's why I ended up naming 137 00:09:56.720 --> 00:10:01.360 him Rosta because of dreadlocks. Maybe it was because it wasn't raining that day, 138 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:03.840 but it had been raining up to that day, and maybe he was 139 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:09.000 just wet and his hair was screening. But there was standing there, and 140 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:11.519 he had to have been at least seven and a half maybe eight foot tall, 141 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:13.320 because I know he's a foot and half taller than me. And he 142 00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:18.080 was only forty yards away from me, that's how close he was. He 143 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:22.519 had this really deep pronounced brow ridge. The only thing I could see of 144 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:26.960 his eyes from the distance I was at is they just looked black. I 145 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:31.200 don't know if there was whites around his eyes or not. He just had 146 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:35.039 this big, wide jaw, no chin to speak of, no lips. 147 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:39.440 I didn't see any lips. This is a picture that a friend of mine 148 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:43.480 and my co host on my Friday show, Jen. She drew that just 149 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:46.919 off of what I could describe, and she did a pretty good job of 150 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:52.279 it. It's not exact, but it's like a picture would be if I'd 151 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:56.679 have got one of those, but it's fairly close. It gives you a 152 00:10:56.720 --> 00:10:58.399 general idea of what I saw, and that's what I saw. His lips 153 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:03.519 were like lips. It were just a straight props's face, nose kind of 154 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:09.000 widened flat, just huge, man huge. I couldn't believe how big he 155 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:13.639 was. And I only got a few seconds to really look at him, 156 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:18.440 because as soon as I saw him after those screams, as soon as I 157 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:22.759 saw him and recognized what I was looking at, it was like my hands 158 00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:26.000 flew up in front of me, and I know I had to have set 159 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:31.200 it out loud. I've said probably something like whoa big fella? I did 160 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:35.720 not mean that, f up your day? And I started taking three steps 161 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:39.679 backwards. He wasn't moving, didn't move at all didn't make another sound, 162 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:43.080 just stood there breathing, and I could hear the breathing. He wasn't making 163 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:46.120 any noise, but you could hear him breathing. It wasn't like he was 164 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:50.320 blunting or anything like that, but you could hear him breathing. And the 165 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:54.639 only other thing I could hear was my heart pounding in my head. People 166 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:58.000 have asked me before, did you hear any other noises or no I just 167 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:03.759 started to trying to keep him in my peripheral to see if he was gonna 168 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:07.679 move for as long as I could. When he wasn't moving, I was 169 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:09.679 like, all right, time for me to excess stage man. I never 170 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:15.440 actually broke into a run. I wouldn't say because I'm too fat, but 171 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:18.799 I was definitely in a fat man jog by the time I got to my 172 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:20.559 jeep. I sat in my jeep and I was looking back, and I'm 173 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:24.320 sure I probably looked back a couple of times just to make sure because I 174 00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:28.399 didn't hear anything. He wasn't like crashing through the trees coming after me or 175 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:31.879 anything like that. I got back to my jeep, opened the door, 176 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:35.320 and I sat down. I looked back at the tree line again, and 177 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:37.159 I fully expected. I gotta tell you, at this time. In my 178 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:39.720 head, I'm like, he's gonna be standing there, He's gonna be stan 179 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:45.360 looking at me. He wasn't nowhere to be seen. Did not see him, 180 00:12:45.879 --> 00:12:48.320 and I went to go start my jeep. My hand was actually, 181 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:52.919 I'm not exaggerating, my hand was doing one of these numbers. I couldn't 182 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:56.279 even get the key of the ignition. So I'm like, Okay, he's 183 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:58.519 not there. I gotta calm down. I gotta slow my heart rate. 184 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:03.759 I got it stop shaking. So all the stuff that is going through my 185 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:07.080 head at the time, all these years I've been interested in this and looked 186 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:09.600 in and open to see one, and now it's nobody's gonna believe this. 187 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:13.080 What the hell just happened? This is what's going through my head. What 188 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:15.440 the hell was that? What was going on? Holy crap, that was 189 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:18.480 a big foot. Nobody's gonna believe this. I sat on my phone. 190 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:20.320 My phone was still in my back pocket and I could feel it back there, 191 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:24.240 and I'm like, you're dumb ass, dude. But the last thing 192 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:28.399 on my mind in that moment was like, Okay, he's not moving, 193 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:31.120 let's see what happens if I reach in my pocket. The idea that I 194 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:35.279 had a camera in the form of a phone in my back pocket did not 195 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:41.000 enter my mind. Because it was a really scary moment. I didn't know 196 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:43.279 what to expect. That was one thing, man, that I did learn 197 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:48.759 from this is that I had no idea what to expect if I ever saw 198 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:54.279 one. I did not expect to see what I was looking at all. 199 00:13:54.080 --> 00:14:00.799 I guess i'd expected something that looked more like a gorilla standing on two legs 200 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:05.240 or something. But this is clearly a hominin. And this is absolutely the 201 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:11.879 only thing I really know about Bigfoot is that from what I observed, it 202 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:15.200 is a hominem of some sort. What makes it a hominin is the fact 203 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:18.320 that it's walks by Pedley. Beyond that, I don't know, man, 204 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:22.519 I just know what that one looks like. That it has to be some 205 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:28.080 sort of hominin because it's walking by Bitty. It didn't look like me, 206 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:31.200 didn't look like you. So I keep going out there, man, I 207 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:35.240 haven't seen anything out there. I love to go camping out there, and 208 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:37.840 I always will. One of my favorite spots a camp But since then it 209 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:43.080 spends like I said, over two years now and I've been out there to 210 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:48.720 camp now peep nothing, no weird noises, even no footprints that I could 211 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:52.720 find anywhere, and footprints are hard enough to find any way in New York 212 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:58.080 because of the way the substrate is in most places. But absolutely nothing, 213 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:01.759 not even something that was a depression that you go or a line of impressions 214 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:05.159 you can go, holy crap, that looks by pedal and it's about the 215 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:09.440 right size. I have even't seen any of that. It's onward and upwards 216 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:13.759 from there. Man. But the only thing when it comes to my encounter 217 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:16.559 is that's what I have. And it's not going to mean a whole lot 218 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:20.799 to a lot of people except for me, because it did at least answer 219 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:24.919 one question at least for me, and that is whether they actually exist or 220 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:30.879 not. Now I can't prove that I saw what I saw. And that's 221 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:35.919 why when I go about investigating things and people are telling me what they saw, 222 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:37.960 I don't ask, first thing, did you get a picture of it? 223 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:41.440 Now I may ask, hey, did you get a picture of it? 224 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:46.960 And if they say no, I understand why, especially if it's a 225 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:50.759 random chance encounter. Unless you have a camera already running, which I do 226 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:54.639 now every time I go out there or anywhere in the woods, automatically, 227 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:58.919 I'm already running my video camera just in case. But if you're not doing 228 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:03.240 that and you have a random encounter, good luck. Good luck getting a 229 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:06.679 picture of it, because if it's a close up one like that, you're 230 00:16:06.679 --> 00:16:10.399 gonna be too scared to even think about taking a photograph of it. If 231 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:14.240 it's moving through the woods pretty quick and you just see it from a distance, 232 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:18.159 good luck trying to catch that on film. When people don't have a 233 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:23.440 photo or a video of the sasquatch that they play and they encountered, I 234 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:29.600 understand that totally. I'm hoping someday I will, but that remains to be 235 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:33.120 seen. That remains to be seen. It's never one of the questions that 236 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:37.240 I ask people when I interview them, because I've interviewed so many people who 237 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:38.879 have had encounters like that. I was just talking to Da Roberts a couple 238 00:16:38.919 --> 00:16:44.200 of nights ago, and Da saw what he believes to be a dog man. 239 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:48.000 It's running across the road and he and his family are driving fairly slowly 240 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:52.559 on this gravel road. He said, I literally had my phone in my 241 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:57.320 hand with the camera on, and I didn't even think about raising it up 242 00:16:57.399 --> 00:17:02.320 because it's just the situation. So I totally get that. And I was 243 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:06.680 looking at the picture over your shoulder there as you were telling your story and 244 00:17:06.759 --> 00:17:08.839 as you're doing the description, I'm thinking, holy shit, that looks exactly 245 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:14.400 like what you're describing to me, and it does look very human like to 246 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:18.039 me. So when you're forty feet away from this thing, I want to 247 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:21.319 ask two questions. You talked about the scream. Can you talk a little 248 00:17:21.319 --> 00:17:25.920 bit about the detail of what the scream sounded like the face of this thing. 249 00:17:25.960 --> 00:17:30.079 Did you get the impression that it was clearly aware of you, but 250 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:33.519 how aware do you think it was? Was it like another human being standing 251 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:36.119 there? Did you get a very human like feeling from this thing? Or 252 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:40.160 what was going on? All right, let me tackle the first part first. 253 00:17:40.400 --> 00:17:45.119 The scream. That's really hard to describe because I've never really heard anything 254 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:48.799 like this, not out of any animal. And I've heard a lot of 255 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:52.119 animals, different animals scream. I've heard fugar scream, I've heard bobcats and 256 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:56.920 fisher cats and boxes, and I've heard all kinds of animals. Do different 257 00:17:56.960 --> 00:18:03.920 screams. It did not say anything like any of those. It started out 258 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:10.799 really guttural, and it raised to a real high pitch and off a little 259 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:14.079 bit. I don't know, man, There's no way that I could duplicate 260 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:18.559 that sound myself. There's no way. And it was so loud. I 261 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:21.240 think it was the shock of the whole thing, and it wasn't like jimer 262 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:26.079 sound or anything like that. Although I may have had an experience with that 263 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:30.440 a few years ago, I'm not sure, because again I don't know what 264 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:34.200 would have paused it, because I don't believe there was a big foot in 265 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:37.319 the area. So yeah, the scream, I don't know. I do 266 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:40.839 know this though, if I ever hear it again, I'll know it's a 267 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:45.359 sasquatch. And if I ever hear anybody that records that sound, I'll be 268 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:48.440 able to go, that's a sasquatch. Now, I might not be able 269 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:51.519 to prove it, but I'll know it that, Hey, dude, you 270 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:56.160 actually record a sasquatch, because that's exactly what I heard. But I haven't 271 00:18:56.160 --> 00:19:02.160 heard any recordings of sasquatch or claimed recording the sasquat anything. Really what that 272 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:07.200 screen that he made it was incredible. You can say that it sounded very 273 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:11.119 primate. That's about all I can say about it. I can't reproduce it. 274 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:15.400 Like I said, then it sounded like he was mad or a frustration. 275 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:18.680 Now you talk about whether he was aware. I think he was fully 276 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:25.519 aware of what I was then the whole situation going on. He wasn't happy. 277 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:26.880 You look at his face, didn't seem like he was happy. And 278 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:30.519 I've said this before. Maybe that could be his general look all the time. 279 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:36.200 Maybe he just walks around looking like he's not happy. But I think 280 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:41.839 he understood the intent. Maybe I don't want to try to poist a whole 281 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:45.200 lot of intelligence on these things that I can't prove that they have. But 282 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:48.640 as they say, smarter than the average bear, is he as intelligent as 283 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:52.799 me? Probably in certain things, especially when it comes to surviving out in 284 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:56.759 the woods. I can go camp and I can survive, But to live 285 00:19:56.839 --> 00:20:00.920 like a sasquatch does no. Not at this point in my life. Oh 286 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:04.400 no, I'm almost sixty years old. Actually I'm gonna turn fifty nine. 287 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:07.480 Sixty is a year away. Yet that's the thing too, that's what you 288 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:11.160 think about, And I can't even say that. Maybe he was a little 289 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:14.359 afraid too, and people would be like, dude, he's a foot tall, 290 00:20:14.440 --> 00:20:18.000 three feet wide, or he's not afraid of you. Maybe he was. 291 00:20:18.119 --> 00:20:19.920 Maybe there was a little bit. Maybe there was a little uncertainty on 292 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:25.599 his part as well, because he didn't know. And that's another reason probably 293 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:30.559 why if I'd even had to wherewithal to reach towards my back pocket pull out 294 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:33.000 my phone, maybe that would have been a bad idea because maybe then that 295 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:37.200 would have got him to come at me thinking maybe I'm going to pull out 296 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:40.480 a weapon or something that maybe that would have triggered him. I don't know, 297 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:45.759 But was there an intelligence there? Yeah, Obviously to me there has 298 00:20:45.839 --> 00:20:48.680 to be, because otherwise I wouldn't be sitting here talking about it. And 299 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:52.279 stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after these 300 00:20:52.359 --> 00:21:00.559 messages. Because if that had been, say a bear, I would have 301 00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:03.039 probably had to fight a black bear for my life. That I'd probably gotten 302 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:07.759 killed by a black bear if it had been a bear. But this was 303 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:15.119 obviously something Nick can reason. I think again, I can't prove that. 304 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:18.519 The only evidence I have is what I've seen myself. That's what makes me 305 00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:22.160 think that, Yeah, he knew what was going on in the situation, 306 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:26.200 and he wasn't happy about it, But he could also probably see that I 307 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:30.079 wasn't too thrilled about the whole thing either. You answered my other question. 308 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:33.519 I've asked that of a couple of people that I've had on the show that 309 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:37.160 have had pretty close up, face to face encounters. Did you get a 310 00:21:37.240 --> 00:21:41.880 sense of whether this thing was aggressive or had the propensity to be aggressive, 311 00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:45.000 or do you think it was just trying to be standing steel and hopefully you 312 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:48.799 would go the other way. Yeah, a lot of that would really start 313 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:55.200 being really subjective. But yeah, I think he definitely could have been aggressive, 314 00:21:55.960 --> 00:21:59.599 no doubt. And that's probably one of the reasons why I was so 315 00:21:59.680 --> 00:22:02.759 scared, because those screams didn't sound like, Hey, how you do, 316 00:22:02.839 --> 00:22:06.480 and let's have a beer. Got of screams, let's all be friends. 317 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:11.359 I just scared up his food because there's no doubt in my mind he was 318 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:15.920 tracking that deer. Now people will say, maybe he was pushing it towards 319 00:22:15.920 --> 00:22:18.160 some others you didn't even see. I don't know, because I did not 320 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:22.400 see him. Is that a possibility. Yeah, if my hypothesis of what 321 00:22:22.480 --> 00:22:26.680 they could be or where they come from is close. Yeah, they probably 322 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:30.200 do hunt in groups, and maybe that's one of the ways. I can't 323 00:22:30.200 --> 00:22:33.960 say that's what was happening in that situation. I can say that there was 324 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:37.920 a deer there. That's fact number one too. There was a sasquatch there 325 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:41.440 as well. I don't think it's just a coincidence that two of them were 326 00:22:41.559 --> 00:22:48.440 just in that spot and here comes fedal me stumbling in to find his hiking 327 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:52.839 state that he left out there. You said something interesting before you went into 328 00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:55.319 the encounter, and I want to go back to that and ask you about 329 00:22:55.319 --> 00:22:59.480 that. And you said something about the odds being against seeing one of these 330 00:22:59.480 --> 00:23:03.319 things just in general. What did you mean by that And is there something 331 00:23:03.319 --> 00:23:06.400 specific that you were talking about. Oh, I think it's very rare. 332 00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:08.440 I don't think there's that many of them. Then, really, I don't 333 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:12.559 have any statistics to back that up. Really, people smarter than me can 334 00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:17.480 tell you why, and I agree with him. Doctor Milchrim can tell you 335 00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:22.519 why too. He does a great presentationient on a good hypothesis of the social 336 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:26.279 structure that it could be. He's not saying it is, but it's a 337 00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:29.319 really good one, and it makes sense. But in the state of New 338 00:23:29.359 --> 00:23:32.240 York. I would love to think there's thousands of these things in New York. 339 00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:37.359 I just don't think that's a realistic number. I know people are claiming 340 00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:41.240 that they see them, and I've talked to lots of people that are credible 341 00:23:41.839 --> 00:23:45.720 that I do believe have seen them. But I don't think you're just going 342 00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:49.440 to walk out there and just hey, there's a saaspot. This was like 343 00:23:49.680 --> 00:23:53.880 forty But at that time, forty three years, I hadn't seen anything, 344 00:23:55.720 --> 00:23:57.720 nothing even that I could go, hey, what was that If I saw 345 00:23:57.759 --> 00:24:02.839 an animals easily, I don't bear deer, whatever, and then all of 346 00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:07.519 a sudden I chance upon one. That's incredible odds man. To think that 347 00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:10.920 I'm just going to go out there just because I saw him there one time, 348 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:14.079 that I'm going to see him again, I think it's astronomical. I 349 00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:18.279 just don't think there's that big of a population in New York, if there 350 00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:23.599 is one. I don't really have any data to really say anything one way 351 00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:29.480 or another to think that there's millions of these things on the entire continent, 352 00:24:29.799 --> 00:24:32.599 which some people do, and I don't know where they get those numbers, 353 00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:36.119 But if there were that many of them, there would be no question. 354 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:40.680 We wouldn't be sitting here trying to answer the question. For most people anyway, 355 00:24:40.839 --> 00:24:44.759 is big book a reality? Because if there were that many, everybody'd 356 00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:48.799 be running into them all the time. Because we encroach out every animal's territory, 357 00:24:49.359 --> 00:24:52.960 we do it. There's very few, and I think that the population 358 00:24:53.200 --> 00:25:00.400 cross the country is probably they are in key places that most people don't go. 359 00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:03.079 I think in New York, if you're gonna really run across one, 360 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:07.680 you might stand a good chance up in the ad Arondacks because there's still a 361 00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:11.240 lot of really remote territory up there where they can pretty much stay away from 362 00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:14.599 people if they want to. There are some places in the Catskills that they 363 00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:18.079 could probably do the same, and in the Alleghanies where I was, those 364 00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:19.920 kind of areas, and as long as they have enough food, water, 365 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:25.839 and shelter to sustain them, they can sustain small populations in these areas. 366 00:25:25.880 --> 00:25:27.720 But I just don't think there's that many of them, and I think it's 367 00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:32.000 pretty rare, and I think the odds of me actually coming across one again 368 00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:37.119 are pretty high. I'm not going to say it's impossible. It's possibility. 369 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:41.759 That's why I'm doing the Great finger Lakes Trail Sasqua next, dear man, 370 00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:45.279 I'm going to walk the finger Lakes Trail. I'm gonna do it in sections, 371 00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:49.720 though I can't do it through height. Everybody that follows me and stuff, 372 00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:55.039 they're good naturedly teasing me. I think they got running odds that I'm 373 00:25:55.039 --> 00:25:59.319 gonna end up being killed by semi animal out there, or maybe even dragged 374 00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:02.640 up by a sad spot who knows. But yeah, then to do it 375 00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:07.480 in sections, and there's plenty of areas in there where it goes through areas 376 00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:15.200 where there have been reported sightings or weird vocalizations of that type of thing. 377 00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:18.279 I'm just going to do a thorough investigation all the way across from west to 378 00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:23.000 east and see if I can turn up any other evidence anywhere of anything. 379 00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:26.640 That was one of the questions that when I had Jeff Mildrem on the show, 380 00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:30.279 I asked him about his hypothesis, his theory on how many of these 381 00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:36.000 things there might be. And obviously it's an unknown subjective answer that he gave, 382 00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:40.240 but he based it on black bear population and he gave a very good 383 00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:45.440 breakdown of what that would look like across the country. And interestingly, I 384 00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:48.599 just had a conversation you and I were talking before we went online about my 385 00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:52.720 conversation with Tomas Stemberg yesterday, and one of the things that came up was 386 00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:56.000 when I had Peter Burne on the show. We agreed on most everything, 387 00:26:56.400 --> 00:27:00.920 but I did disagree with him because he he is a firm believer that these 388 00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:06.640 things do not exist and probably have never existed east of the Rockies. He 389 00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:11.359 just doesn't think they're outside of the Western United States, specifically the Pacific Northwest. 390 00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:12.839 I talked to Thomas about that yesterday, and I'm sure you guys have 391 00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:17.960 had a conversation about it. He was really in that camp for many years. 392 00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:22.880 He agreed wholeheartedly with Peter burn that in fact, they weren't until he 393 00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:26.319 came to New York State and checked it out himself. Because most people have 394 00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:30.960 this preconceived notion when you say New York or New York State that it's a 395 00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:37.039 whole bunch of these sprawling urban cities. Then there's these little speckles here and 396 00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:40.759 there of a few trees or maybe a park. Thomas was like, holy 397 00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:45.839 shit, it's the complete opposite there is so much vast open space that these 398 00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:49.319 things could inhabit. He was amazed and it completely changed his mind on that. 399 00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:52.759 You've already answered the question for me. But certainly you have to believe 400 00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:56.480 that there are populations of these things east of the Rockies. I'm assuming correct. 401 00:27:56.839 --> 00:28:02.160 Oh, absolutely, Again, black bear comparison is a good thing, 402 00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:06.680 I think, because if it can sustain population of black bears, that could 403 00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:11.319 probably sustain a family of sasquatch if they live in families. I don't have 404 00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:14.119 no idea what their social structure is, and I know there's a lot of 405 00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:17.720 people out there playing that they do. And all I'm asking them is, 406 00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:21.400 if this is really true, then show me the evidence that you know this. 407 00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:25.279 You know, because I absolutely don't know any of it. I know 408 00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:27.440 that they're a hominant of some sort, and that's where it ends with me. 409 00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:32.480 And yeah, they leave footprints sometimes, and maybe they do have an 410 00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:37.000 occasion to break the branches along the way when they're moving through the woods. 411 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:40.559 Whether they're marking trails, I don't know. I seriously doubt that. I 412 00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:45.559 pretty much figure they know their way around their own territory, so they're pretty 413 00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:48.079 familiar. They don't need to mark anything. I think if they're breaking and 414 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:52.160 twisting branches, it's usually probably just to get them out of their way if 415 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:55.720 they're und their way, and it may look like a trail, but yeah, 416 00:28:55.839 --> 00:29:00.400 it's all hypotheses until you actually can see it being done. Hey, 417 00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:04.119 somebody can show me bigfoot building a structure, man, then that would answer 418 00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:08.680 that question, because most of the ones that I've seen are obvious bushcrap. 419 00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:12.359 There's no reason Bigfoot would be building this. So then be like, hey, 420 00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:15.319 look, I'm Bigfoot. I just built this here, come find me 421 00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:19.640 right And I just don't think that's happening. But it's the search, man. 422 00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:22.599 It's a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun. There's some 423 00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:29.359 frustration to it sometimes if you let things trustrate don I'm only human, so 424 00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:33.720 yeah, sometimes there's things that question me. I had notes written down as 425 00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:36.720 you were talking about the stick structures and ex formations. That's one of the 426 00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:40.079 things that I've talked to so many people about on the show because I've experienced 427 00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:42.440 some of that on my property here. I've never purported that it was a 428 00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:48.119 sasquatch. I've never seen a bigfoot breaking branches and weaving things, but there's 429 00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:52.319 some weird stuff on my property that I see that could be very natural, 430 00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:55.279 it could be very innocuous, but it looks very strange to me, and 431 00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:57.559 I've had other strange things that have gone on the property that kind of make 432 00:29:57.640 --> 00:30:02.839 me think that there may be something more to it. You answered the question 433 00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:07.200 already. I'm in the same camp as you until somebody gives me some sort 434 00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:11.960 of evidence, an eyewitness account that correlates with I saw this thing. I 435 00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:15.720 saw this tree structure, and this thing was leaving that area. Then I 436 00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:18.720 was a footprint that I casted, and then you got the totality of the 437 00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:25.480 circumstances. I just don't know anybody that has ever said I saw a bigfoot 438 00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:30.440 breaking these branches and doing these tree formations and ex formations and these full crumb 439 00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:33.640 type things. I think it's interesting, but I think I'm in the same 440 00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:41.000 camp as you. I'm not really sure that's entirely attributable to a sasquatch. 441 00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:45.039 The reason why I think this people haven't made the claim that I saw one 442 00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:48.759 doing it is because, okay, because now you're required you just made a 443 00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:55.799 claim. Sorry, you have to show that claim to be true. Now 444 00:30:55.920 --> 00:31:00.359 that is did you give video of this thing doing this structure. If you're 445 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.440 gonna make extraordinary claims, and I'm not talking about Hey, I encountered a 446 00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:10.000 sasquatch. Now this goes beyond that. If you're gonna make extraordinary claims, 447 00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:15.680 then extraordinary evidence is needed to back up those planes. Otherwise I'm fully in 448 00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:22.039 my way to go eh. I don't really think that's anything because I don't 449 00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:26.200 see any evidence that really supports what you're saying. But like I said, 450 00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:30.880 as far as the branch breaking and maybe even some times breaking a tree or 451 00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:33.960 whatever, maybe they haven't occasion to do that. Why they would do it, 452 00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:37.200 I don't know, other than like I said, the one part, 453 00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:41.640 they're pretty big. For the most part, they got branches. Nobody wants 454 00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:45.160 the branches slapping in her face, but they're gonna do break them to get 455 00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:48.599 them out of the way. The exes, I've seen lots of exes, 456 00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:52.000 and every last one of them have been natural. There's never been a reason 457 00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:56.920 why that I could come up with that a sasquatch would have done it. 458 00:31:57.599 --> 00:32:01.240 My big thing is when it's X, what if your coming at it from 459 00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:05.920 the side doesn't look like an X. Then because people want to play with 460 00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:09.200 X means don't go here XS some kind of territory marker with it depends on 461 00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:13.519 what angle you're coming at it from, as whether it's going to look like 462 00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:15.799 an extra or now trees fall all the time. Together, let's talk a 463 00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:20.680 little bit about evidence. You've done this forty plus years, You've had this 464 00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:24.240 one encounter that obviously you and I talked about that a little bit on Pat 465 00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:27.599 Show. We were talking about the Freeman film, and you were like, 466 00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:29.720 basically, I don't give a shit if it's real or not, because I 467 00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:31.279 know these things exist, so I don't need it to be proven to me. 468 00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:35.640 There's still tons of people out there like me who have not had those 469 00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:38.200 experiences. The only thing I've had is vocalizations. I think I was bluff 470 00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:40.599 charged and ran out of the woods when I was twelve, but I didn't 471 00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:44.119 see what it was, so I can't say that it was a bigfoot right 472 00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:49.200 for the rest of us who haven't had that aha moment of absolutely being sure 473 00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:52.880 that these things are real and knowing that for a fact, the only thing 474 00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:57.359 we have left is the evidence. What were you able to find in your 475 00:32:57.400 --> 00:33:00.680 research and boots on the ground in the woods. Outside of maybe a footprint 476 00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:06.000 here and there, did you find anything else that would have convinced you had 477 00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:10.480 you not had a siding that these things were real me personally, or anything 478 00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:15.039 that you've seen while you were out investigating. Up until the time you had 479 00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:19.640 your encounter, there was always stuff that maybe at least go hey, wow, 480 00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:23.200 it's a good possibility these things exist. I've seen stuff that other people 481 00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:28.559 have found that have convinced me I myself personally, No, I'll tell you 482 00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:30.839 the truth, honestly, That's why you don't see it on my page. 483 00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:35.160 I have not found that much evidence. Yeah, I found some footprints, 484 00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:40.400 but again they're subjective to me. They looked like they were Sasquatch prints. 485 00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:45.000 There was no way that they were any other print. Now, were they 486 00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:49.559 hoped? I don't think so. Because of certain markers, I don't need 487 00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:52.440 to go into it, and I'm not an expert on bigfoot prints anyway, 488 00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:57.519 so I think I could tell a real one from a fake one. Who 489 00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:00.480 knows, somebody might be able to pull one over my eyes too. But 490 00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:04.160 as far as that goes, when it comes to like scat, hair, 491 00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.519 DNA stuff, for many years, who the hell was thinking about DNA when 492 00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:09.840 I was younger. I'm not thinking about trying to collect DNA. We're not 493 00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:15.039 going to get DNA from sasquatch back then, right, I'm not thinking about 494 00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:20.280 hair getting snagged down bushes or trees or anything like that. As far as 495 00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:25.320 physical evidence, about the only thing I found over the years really was what 496 00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:30.880 could have been footprints. Now, I've heard weird noises that I couldn't identify, 497 00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:36.760 but that doesn't mean they were sasquatch. Now, most of the sounds 498 00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:42.599 that i'd have recorded if I didn't know what they were, I found out 499 00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:45.079 what they were, and I've been able to vet them out that most of 500 00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:50.119 them were known animal. I've found out which animals they were. We heard 501 00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:53.039 long when we were camping. I didn't get it recorded, but I remembered 502 00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:58.800 exactly what it's something like because it was scary. My wife and I were 503 00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:02.800 camping and in a new spot out west of us, there was a cougar. 504 00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:07.360 Just to make a love story short, we were in the tent. 505 00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:09.400 It was like probably three o'clock in the morning, I think maybe two o'clock 506 00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:15.639 in the morning. This thing screamed and it was close. It was close, 507 00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:19.679 and this thing screamed so loud my dog didn't want to get out of 508 00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:23.360 the tent. This thing screamed, and I'd never ever heard this kind of 509 00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:28.400 scream before. I knew it wasn't about cat or fisher cat or anything like 510 00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:30.880 that. And the first thing that entered my mind, Brian, was not 511 00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:37.079 bigfoot, because it didn't sound anything like that scream either. The first thing 512 00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:39.960 that actually entered my mind was banshee. And for people that don't know what 513 00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:44.760 a banshi is, look up some Irish folk flore they'll tell you what the 514 00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:49.920 band she is. It's usually before telling of the death that's going to happen. 515 00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:52.480 But what I was picturing in my mind if I got out of the 516 00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:59.400 tent was some pasty faced girl with long black hair coming at me right so 517 00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:01.920 I to go out. Sam. We actually ended up sleeping in the car 518 00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:05.199 that night. I'm like, oh no, this ups the car. I 519 00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:07.320 feel safer in the car after hearing that. So I didn't know what it 520 00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:13.159 was. But I got home and I started looking online and trying to what 521 00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:20.119 did that sound like? And it happened upon the video man exactly and found 522 00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:22.239 out that it was a cougar because in the video. This cougar made the 523 00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:27.679 exact same screen that what me and my wife are not even asked her, 524 00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:30.159 I said, does this sound like what we heard? Do you agree? 525 00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:32.440 And I played it for it. She was, that's exactly it. I'm 526 00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:37.159 like, that's a cougar, that's what we heard. It's funny that most 527 00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:39.480 people don't do that, though they'll hear something that's weird in the woods, 528 00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:43.599 like we've heard things here that I can't explain on the property. I've had 529 00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:46.119 David Ellis on the show, and I went through just about every recording that 530 00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:50.760 David has, and then I can find online. I can find nothing that 531 00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:53.679 sounds like the things that we've heard, and you have to scrite your head. 532 00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:58.440 Could it have been this cat that had something wrong with its throat? 533 00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:01.360 Yeah, it could be anything. But I don't like to jump to conclusions 534 00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:04.880 and say, oh, that means it's a bigfoot. I'm just not that 535 00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:07.639 guy. So let's talk a little bit about that. I want to talk 536 00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:12.239 about something that you mentioned frustrations earlier. I've had a couple of conversations with 537 00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:15.400 people about it recently, and it's always frustrated me, but just more so 538 00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:19.280 recently. Pat for example, on squatch Talk. I don't know, about 539 00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:23.119 a month or so ago, did his social experiment where he went out and 540 00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:30.719 took some of these paradolia photos purposely and posted them up, said nothing about 541 00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:36.559 Bigfoot, just did some the big famous red circle squatches right in these photos 542 00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:42.159 of nothing but leaves and limbs and there's absolutely nothing there. He posts them 543 00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:47.920 up on social media and like seventy five thousand people this thing reached and Pat 544 00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:52.039 himself said, I don't have that kind of fricking reach. I've got nine 545 00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:54.599 hundred people in my fans group of the show. I think that's one of 546 00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:58.519 the biggest frustrations I have with the community. And I know you have some 547 00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:00.199 of that because I've seen some of your video where you talk about that kind 548 00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:04.679 of stuff and photos and what not to do and what to do when you're 549 00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:07.199 posting stuff like that. What do you think about that? What is it 550 00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:12.920 a collectively? And I do want to throw everybody into the same group. 551 00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:15.440 I never do that. If you ever say all in all ways, you're 552 00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:20.920 probably lying. But it seems like to me so many people that are involved 553 00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:25.159 in this just do that so much, with these blob squatches and these red 554 00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:30.800 circle squatches. And meanwhile, I'll just use myself for an example, right, 555 00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:32.800 I'll be a narcissist here for a second. I think I do a 556 00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:37.719 pretty good bigfoot show with a lot of great people who share some really amazing 557 00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:44.039 encounters that I one hundred percent, hands down believe to be some of the 558 00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:49.000 best anecdotal evidence that I've ever heard that these things are real. I've got 559 00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:52.320 a pretty big reach with my audience, not as big as I'd like it 560 00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:57.320 to be. It doesn't get the same attention as a paradola a picture of 561 00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:01.079 nothing but leaves and stems with a red circle pat proved that. I'm sure 562 00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:04.760 people gave them a hard time for it. Some people thought it was brilliant. 563 00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:07.320 I thought it was the most fantastic thing in the world. What do 564 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:09.679 you think about that? What is it about that in this community that people 565 00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:15.800 latch onto that. I'm not like saying that people don't have enough other things 566 00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:19.559 to believe. They want something to believe in math. They really want something 567 00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:22.360 to believe in, and that doesn't make them bad people. I think a 568 00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:24.239 good majority of the people, not even a good majority, but a lot 569 00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:28.639 of people. I think a lot of people that are like into the subject. 570 00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:31.039 I think a lot of them just all they want is entertainment of it. 571 00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:35.599 I think that they wanted to be real. They think it's a great 572 00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:39.800 idea. It's something magical to some people. But the fact that to me, 573 00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:43.239 I'm on the side that I'm like, I don't get it, man, 574 00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:49.119 because just the fact that there could be another hominint that still exists with 575 00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:52.320 us on the face of pyet and didn't go extinct so many other of our 576 00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:58.519 hominin ancestors did and is still around, that in itself, to me is 577 00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:01.639 magical and amazing. Stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see. We'll be 578 00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:09.599 right back after these messages. We're here because we were able to develop technology 579 00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:15.280 and we didn't adapt to our environment. We adapted the environment us and they 580 00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:22.800 are still sheer and they've not done any of that. They've adapted to their 581 00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:27.119 environment. I think that's magical enough. But I think with the paradolia, 582 00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:30.440 people just want to see it so it doesn't matter. And I think a 583 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:36.840 lot of people that put those out maybe they really believe what they're putting out 584 00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:39.599 is what they're saying it is. I think there are some of them that 585 00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:44.199 know absolutely, they're now, and they're doing it because they know they're going 586 00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:45.480 to get a lot of likes and a lot of look and a lot of 587 00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:50.199 wow, that's a great picture when it's not, but people want it to 588 00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:52.199 be real, so they're going to see it. I go through some pictures. 589 00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:55.920 I used to take pictures of mccannon. I go out and just shoot 590 00:40:55.920 --> 00:41:00.039 pictures of the forest just for that, because it's pretty right. I'd gone 591 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:04.679 through mine just to go, is there any paradoli he in any of my 592 00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:07.639 pictures? And yeah, I could pick out some that I found paradolia. 593 00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:12.280 I'd put one up when I was doing a show. If i'd have put 594 00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:15.320 a little red circle around that and popped it out there, man, that 595 00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:17.480 would have been like, oh yeah, there'd be a lot of people. 596 00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:21.480 Now, of course be some like no, I think that's a tree man, 597 00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:23.960 and then there might even be some trolls it'll be mean about it, 598 00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:27.920 But then there would be a lot of people. But yeah, I see 599 00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:30.039 them. I see them, and look. If you've got to put a 600 00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:34.800 red circle around something to draw my attention to it, then there's nothing there 601 00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:37.840 for me to actually look at. This has to have red circles and arrows. 602 00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:43.360 You can suggest anything to somebody when it comes to paradolia and they'll go, 603 00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:46.239 oh, yeah, I see that, whereas originally they might look at 604 00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:49.280 it and go I don't see anything. Oh no, but it's a face. 605 00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:51.920 You see the eyes and the nose, and all of a sudden you're 606 00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:54.519 going, oh, yeah, I see it. Yeah. I think it's 607 00:41:54.639 --> 00:42:01.159 mostly harmless to some extent, but it really doesn't do much for the actual 608 00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:07.400 research, and it does keep a lot of people from taking things seriously about 609 00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:12.519 this, especially science. We've talked about this. I've talked about this on 610 00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:16.599 my shows. When you get people out there that are trying to take advantage 611 00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:22.000 of people's belief and I'm going to use the word gillibility because some people are 612 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:27.519 goible and if there's people out there that try to take advantage of that monetarily, 613 00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:30.920 that's a bad part. And that is part, unfortunately, part of 614 00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:35.400 this community too. There are some players in there that they don't care about 615 00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.280 anything except for making the money off of it as much as they can. 616 00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:42.840 That's why people hope stuff most of the time. Yeah, you have a 617 00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:45.440 few people out there hopes and probably just as a joke. But if you 618 00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:49.719 get some serious, hope toures. We know their names. Rick Dyer's one 619 00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:52.800 of them, those types of people, and they're going to exist in this 620 00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:58.679 community. But people in general with the paradolia, Yeah, just because they 621 00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:00.119 really won't want to do I look at these pictures. I really want to 622 00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:04.559 see something up and if I really do see something at it and most of 623 00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:07.039 the time it's I don't know exactly what it is. I'm not going to 624 00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:09.400 say one hundred per sais that it's a bigfoot, but it's not paradolia. 625 00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:14.280 I could see that. I could recognize that. Yeah, you want to 626 00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:16.440 see it. You want to see it, and people want to think that 627 00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:20.840 they're taking pictures. Yeah, I was telling Da about it. When I 628 00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:22.800 was talking to Da Roberts the other day, it happened to me. I 629 00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:28.639 posted some pictures that I had taken from the trail cam where I'd set up 630 00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:31.440 on this stump where this turtleshell had been stuck on my property, which was 631 00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:35.280 really weird. I said, I'm going to set this up and it may 632 00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:38.320 be like a gifting situation. So I'm going to set up this gifting stone 633 00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:40.920 and put this stone here, and then I'm going to put this camera up 634 00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:45.559 and then I ended up putting apple in the stump. I took some photos 635 00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:49.920 from the SD card and it was nothing but raccoons. For three days, 636 00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:52.000 there was raccoons, three or four raccoons one day, two This night, 637 00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:55.039 I think there was three. The other night. Nothing happened to the apple. 638 00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:59.320 Nothing happened to the rock. I took the camera down on the third 639 00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:01.519 day, came back the very next day and something had taken a bite out 640 00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:06.280 of the apple and put it back into the stump. It was on a 641 00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:08.679 stick on the stump. It was either one big bite or two bites. 642 00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:13.519 I posted the photos of that reluctantly on my social media because I was like, 643 00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:15.559 people are going to think I'm crazier. I'm trying to hope shit, 644 00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:17.760 but it just is what it is, right, Nothing happened to the apple 645 00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:21.480 for three days, and then I take the camera down and I come back 646 00:44:21.519 --> 00:44:23.480 the very next morning walk the dog and something they had taken a bite out 647 00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:28.159 of the apple. But I posted some of these photos that were taking at 648 00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:30.320 two or three o'clock in the morning, so it's pitch dark, and you 649 00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:32.519 see these little raccoons. They're looking at the camera and they're doing their thing. 650 00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:37.000 One of my fans from the show took the photos. They send them 651 00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:40.480 to me a messenger, and they have messed with the contrast, and they 652 00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:45.880 brought the light up and down, and they swear there's a black either dog 653 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:52.039 man or bigfoot figure standing over to this side of the stump where these raccoons 654 00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:55.840 are playing around. And I'm like, I appreciate that I haven't posted them. 655 00:44:55.880 --> 00:44:59.440 I think I'll probably post them in the next week or so, just 656 00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:01.679 because I've talked about it on a couple of episodes now, and it's people 657 00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:06.559 are going to start asking, I'm gonna post the pictures. When you look 658 00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:08.159 at it, well, that kind of looks like a head, that kind 659 00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:12.000 of looks like ears, it kind of looks like a nose. So I 660 00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:15.760 start doing that paradolia thing. Right, it's a suggested thing, and you've 661 00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:19.320 messed with the contrast, But it just proves It's like I told Da the 662 00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:22.920 other night, it proves that you can literally take anything and make something out 663 00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:27.280 of it, right, absolutely, yeah, And that's what most people do, 664 00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:29.719 I feel, and I agree with you. I think most of the 665 00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:32.880 time it's harmless. And then there's those few shucksters out there that like to 666 00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:36.719 do it for click bait, and if they've got a YouTube channel or something 667 00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:38.960 and they're going to put up a nice thumbnail and get people to say sasquatch 668 00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:44.960 discovered and it's just paradola crap. People are going to do that regardless. 669 00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:47.119 But I agree with you. I don't think it does any service at all 670 00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:51.320 to people that are serious about it. Because there are a lot of folks 671 00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:53.840 that do have really good photos. I think that probably will never come forward 672 00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:58.920 because they see what happens when people do these blob squatches and red circle squatches, 673 00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:00.599 and they don't want the same thing to happen to them. Yeah. 674 00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:04.760 I think there's some of that in that, and there may be pictures out 675 00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:07.480 there that we don't know about. I'm will to entertain that thought. And 676 00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:10.719 I can understand I've never had an opportunity. Well, I can't say that 677 00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:15.599 I haven't had an opportunity to still what I did have an opportunity and I 678 00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:19.000 didn't take it right. But other than that, I don't go out there 679 00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:22.199 and run across things that I, wow, there's a sas spot, let 680 00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:25.039 me film it. But I think that maybe some people might have something and 681 00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:29.199 maybe they're not so because of that, and I go through that too myself, 682 00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:31.360 I'm like, what if let's just say, what if I'm on this 683 00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:37.559 figure Lakes trail, little investigation that I'm doing in any part of it, 684 00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:43.039 and suppose I do get a picture of baked foot, not a blob, 685 00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:45.880 not blurry. If you look at it and go, holy Kyle, that's 686 00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:50.440 either a real bigfoot or a guy had a really good costume, right, 687 00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:52.679 Because that's what it's going to come down to. Even if it's a really 688 00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:55.880 good picture, would I put it out? If I had it, I 689 00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:59.719 wrestle with that. Would I just put it up and go look at this 690 00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:01.800 big Yeah? Do I think that people would believe me? Yes? Because 691 00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:05.599 the people that followed me know that I'm not BS and man, I don't 692 00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:08.920 have a narrative or anything like that. But I don't know. Again, 693 00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:14.079 that's the thing. There's so many pictures and none of it is conclusive, 694 00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:17.000 and it's not conclusive enough for science to go, Okay, you've convinced this 695 00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:22.199 sasquatch is real. Even if Siens were to say that, Okay, so 696 00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:24.639 that's guy's real, there's still gonna be people that have never seen one and 697 00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:29.199 probably never will see one, right, But yeah, maybe some people. 698 00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:32.880 I knew a guy that had a pretty good camera shot of what I think 699 00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:38.800 is a sasquatch that he said he would never release because he wasn't a researcher, 700 00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:44.360 he wasn't an investigator, he wasn't interested in sasquatch. This was just 701 00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:51.239 totally something that he was trying to monitor off his property some other wildlife and 702 00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:54.000 just happened to catch this thing. And I said, that's pretty good, 703 00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:58.039 man. What are you gonna do with it? He's like nothing. I'm 704 00:47:58.039 --> 00:48:00.440 like, there's probably some people who probably want to see this. Nope, 705 00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:04.480 they don't need the headache. I don't know about these things. I'm not 706 00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:08.039 looking to be the guy that proves bigfoot, and that's not going to prove 707 00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:10.400 it, he said. I've read enough about it, I've seen enough about 708 00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:15.760 it online. Even this is not going to prove it anything. Yeah, 709 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:17.360 I don't think he's alone at all. I think that's happened a couple of 710 00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:21.440 times to me. I've had people that I've talked to and people that I 711 00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:24.920 didn't necessarily talk to directly, that talk to people I trusted very much, 712 00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:30.800 so they told me the same thing. There's some incredible photos and incredible videos 713 00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:34.599 of these things out there that people will never release because of that kind of 714 00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:37.960 stuff. Let's talk about one more thing before we close out other cryptids. 715 00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:40.079 This is always something that fascinates me, and I've only had a couple of 716 00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:44.480 people on the show. Da Roberts was one that I interviewed. He's had 717 00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:47.000 a couple of encounters with what he believes to be dog Man. I've had 718 00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:50.880 two other people on the show that have had encounters with what they believe to 719 00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:53.039 be dog Man. I have a hard time with that. I've said it 720 00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:57.239 so many times to everybody I've interviewed that claims to have seen them. I 721 00:48:57.280 --> 00:49:01.119 have a hard time with those things being real and existing, at least in 722 00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:06.159 a physical form. And then there's a myriad of other cryptids. We won't 723 00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:09.239 even get into the rakes and other things that cupocabras and things that people claim 724 00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:13.880 to see. Let's just stick with dog Man to keep it simple. Where 725 00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:17.760 are you on other cryptids existing? Do you think it is a possibility that 726 00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:22.360 some of those things are actually flesh and blood creatures that people are encountering, 727 00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:25.519 or do you think it's more of a misidentification or maybe even psychosis. Yeah, 728 00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:29.280 I think the best way I could put it with the cryptid thing, 729 00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:35.840 the reason why I am skeptical of other cryptids. If somebody wants to change 730 00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:40.000 my mind about some of these cryptids actually existing, then all I ask for 731 00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:45.960 is at least as much evidence that I have that Bigfoot exists, and then 732 00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:50.960 I'll be like, Okay, you got something there, But so far I 733 00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:53.559 haven't seen it. As far as dog Man goes, I love where wolf 734 00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:57.599 Bovis. I love them ever since as a kid, still love them. 735 00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:00.880 I love the idea dog Man. Do I have a lack of belief in 736 00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:05.239 dog Man yet because I haven't seen no evidence. But I don't know either 737 00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:09.239 some of those people who are probably making it up or they're mistaken. That's 738 00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:14.599 all I can say. There is absolutely no precedence at all. Again, 739 00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:20.800 like you've mentioned, there's no precedence in nature for a bipedal species of canine. 740 00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:24.360 There is shrabik. But primates evolved, or at least some of us 741 00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:30.159 did, evolved through evolution, and because of environmental reasons, we've adapted and 742 00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:36.760 we became bipedal. It was advantageous to us well. Canine species. I 743 00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:42.840 don't see where evolution would ever find that advantageous to a canine species to become 744 00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:49.360 bipedal and still keep its basic biology of a canine. So yeah, there's 745 00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:52.360 no precedence for it. And if you want to talk about supernatural stuff, 746 00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:57.159 have a lack of belief in that too. I'm not saying that weird stuck 747 00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:00.239 doesn't happen. Weird stuff does happen in people that much. I acknowledge. 748 00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:05.400 I even acknowledge that would be pretty stupid to me to say that science can 749 00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:08.320 answer everything. I don't think science can answer everything. Science has to have 750 00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:13.039 stuff that can test an experiment with before it come up with an answer. 751 00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:15.079 And if you don't have anything, and that's basically what the supernaturally is, 752 00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:19.840 you don't have anything to test, You have nothing that you can even perform 753 00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:22.960 experiments around a goal. This is real. Like dog Man, No, 754 00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:27.800 I think a vast majority and this is just my opinion. I think a 755 00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:30.559 lot of people with the dog Man, especially the ones with the dog Man 756 00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:32.639 channels and stuff, I think they're exaggerating. I think they're playing some fun 757 00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:36.960 games with their stuff and things like that. And yeah, for the people 758 00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:38.960 who really think they've seen the dog Man, and I absolutely think that they 759 00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:44.119 saw a lot. I think it's a misidentification probably of some sort. Has 760 00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:45.559 to be. I'm there with you, man, But like I said, 761 00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:50.400 I've had a couple of people on the show betweena Mass, I've had now 762 00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:53.519 Da Roberts on the show, and they're pretty convinced that what they saw was 763 00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:58.079 a dog man. I guess the jury is still out on dog man. 764 00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:00.440 Joe had a blast talking to you man. Thanks for coming on the show. 765 00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:02.760 It a was fun, really enjoyed it. Don't sweat betty stuff. 766 00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:07.079 Don't bet the sweaty stuff. I'll be coming at you. What's something coming 767 00:52:07.159 --> 00:55:05.599 up? Everybody? Love you, have a good night. Days the as 768 00:55:10.159 --> 00:56:12.480 I at the