WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.760 --> 00:00:06.679 My name is Will and unlike Molder and Scully, so we've embarked in a 2 00:00:06.799 --> 00:00:21.239 journey of discovery. Welcome to Skeptic Medicians Classics. You are listening to classic 3 00:00:21.480 --> 00:00:44.880 Skeptic medic Physicians. Welcome to classics and skeptic medicitions. Welcome to our version 4 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:50.000 over walk down memory lane as we present classics from the Skeptic Medicizian Library. 5 00:00:50.359 --> 00:00:57.039 Wartz and all. Hey, everyone, welcome back to another episode of the 6 00:00:57.079 --> 00:01:00.960 Skeptic Medical Position. Before we get started, to give you a little bit 7 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:04.560 of backstory. In numerology, your life path number gives you a blueprint for 8 00:01:04.760 --> 00:01:08.200 living right. It gives you insight into what you're like as a person, 9 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:12.120 as well as how you might navigate your career, your relationship, even what 10 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:15.599 you do in your spare time. Well, numerology tells us that double digit 11 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:21.079 numbers like eleven, twenty two, and thirty three are incredibly powerful. They're 12 00:01:21.079 --> 00:01:26.159 called master numbers for a reason, and they're said to possess intense energy. 13 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:30.519 Now, it's said that master numbers operate at higher vibrations or have more potential 14 00:01:30.519 --> 00:01:34.239 than other life path numbers. But Will, you might ask, what the 15 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:38.120 heck does this have to do with you the skeptic physician or your next guest. 16 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:41.200 Well, I'm glad you asked that, because my next guest is none 17 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:46.599 other than the host and co founder of the hit podcast Path eleven. But 18 00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:49.280 to say that Path eleven is just a podcast would be ten amount to saying 19 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:53.120 that the Bible is just a book. Boasting their own Path eleven app, 20 00:01:53.480 --> 00:01:57.879 they provide hours and hours and hours of great video, audio, and even 21 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:02.560 event content around specific messages of interest to a spiritual path, most of it 22 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:07.480 based around debt in life after debt. Now, this is something that we've 23 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:10.879 not touched on before, so I'm incredibly excited to dive into everything at Path 24 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:15.520 eleven does and offers. So joining me today to do just that is the 25 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:19.560 co founder of Path eleven Productions, April Hannah. April, thank you so 26 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:21.919 much for coming on the show. Hi, Well, thank you so much. 27 00:02:21.919 --> 00:02:24.039 That was a beautiful introduction. I'm really excited to have this conversation. 28 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:27.719 This is why, just to get a little bit of a base, I 29 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:31.080 know what the app does and is, why don't you, in your own 30 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:36.599 words, tell the audience how you consider the content on the app to be 31 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:40.319 about. We're basically a spirituality streaming network. So you can watch from your 32 00:02:40.319 --> 00:02:45.599 computer it's called Path eleven TV, or you can download the app and we 33 00:02:45.680 --> 00:02:49.280 have it for like every smartphone, tablet, whatever you need. You find 34 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:52.120 it, go into your app store and you can download it. And right 35 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:55.800 now we have over one hundred hours of content of like you had mentioned, 36 00:02:55.879 --> 00:03:01.919 videos, documentaries, conferences, really heavy and focusing on the afterlife, life 37 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:07.240 after death, after death communication and basically this kind of takes us to the 38 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:10.639 beginning of the story too, which I'm sure you're probably going to ask me 39 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:15.199 about, like how did Path eleven where did you get your name start? 40 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:19.639 So the co founder is Michael Habernig, and he's the director and I'm the 41 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:24.280 producer of our content. And back in two thousand and eight, Mike experienced 42 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:30.159 an enormous amount of death in his life. There was somebody dying every single 43 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:32.319 month, felt like, whether it was animals, coworkers, friends. He 44 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:36.919 was in a funeral parlor pretty much every month for a full year. He 45 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:42.000 slipped into a depression because he really was feeling like his religion wasn't able to 46 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:45.000 answer his questions of what the heck is going on here? Why are so 47 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:47.719 many people dying. He wanted to find out are these people alive? Where 48 00:03:47.719 --> 00:03:54.280 are these animals going? So he started to stumble upon metaphysics, astral projection, 49 00:03:54.360 --> 00:04:00.159 out of body experiences, life after death communication, and then also the 50 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:03.240 mysteries of healing and raiki. And in two thousand and eight, I had 51 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:09.800 launched my private practice. I'm a licensed mental health therapist and also an energy 52 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:14.080 healer. They used to work in a psychiatric hospital and I was there for 53 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:15.600 five years, and I was like, Hm, the clients get to leave, 54 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:18.560 but I'm staying. I'm here every day. So I've been in a 55 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:24.079 psychiatric hospital for five years. So I finally decided, because I started really 56 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:28.399 delving into spiritual work that when I was working with patients that were having some 57 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:34.199 psychosis or really grief reactions, but they were being put on psychotropic medication, 58 00:04:34.360 --> 00:04:40.519 I was starting to really have issues with that because they were having grief experiences 59 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:45.079 and they were accessing the other side, but our culture was medicating them, 60 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:47.160 saying that they were crazy and that they shouldn't have hurt here, this here, 61 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:50.680 or they shouldn't be hearing these voices or seeing these things. So I 62 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:56.240 decided that I was going to break away from the traditional psychiatric therapy and counseling 63 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:59.000 and begin to integrate some of the healing work that I was doing. And 64 00:04:59.079 --> 00:05:02.959 Mike was really usted in healing modalities. So the first week my private practice, 65 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:05.399 my website is published, and I have a guy calling me saying, 66 00:05:05.399 --> 00:05:09.279 would you like to be in a documentary? So I was like, oh 67 00:05:09.279 --> 00:05:12.839 my god, I can't believe it. You follow your path the universe response 68 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:15.279 what everyone says, every spiritual teacher, every book I've read. It's right, 69 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:18.720 It's truly true. So I said, well, I said Mike, 70 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:24.600 I'm really good at organizing. I have a boatload of contacts of people that 71 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:29.079 we could interview and we could create a bunch of documentaries. So we put 72 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:33.079 our ideas together and we actually ended up producing three documentaries. There's a documentary 73 00:05:33.079 --> 00:05:39.240 trilogy on the afterlife. The Path Afterlife, it's called The Path Beyond the 74 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:42.879 Physical is the second one, which is all about understanding how you can move 75 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:46.879 your consciousness out of body and astral project. And we also we're able to 76 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:53.360 interview man in the military that was a part of the classified Stargate mission where 77 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:57.160 our military was training psychic spies skip at water. So we were able to 78 00:05:57.160 --> 00:06:00.560 talk to him and learn about remote viewing and all of this stuff. And 79 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:03.040 then the third documentary, The Path Evolution, is all about the theory of 80 00:06:03.079 --> 00:06:08.480 consciousness, where we followed a nuclear physicist that used to work at NASA and 81 00:06:08.920 --> 00:06:13.319 trying to understand his theory of consciousness and everything. We traveled up and down 82 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:16.399 the East Coast, and I don't know we got over. I can't even 83 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:19.680 tell you. Probably seventy five hours of footage that we went through to make 84 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:27.399 those three documentaries. So that's why we're really focused on life after death because 85 00:06:27.439 --> 00:06:31.399 I had a craving of spirituality and spirit and energy healing, and he had 86 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:36.800 these unanswered questions that his religion wasn't answering about the afterlife. Came together and 87 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:41.959 started to create Path eleven, and Path eleven came about with the name. 88 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:45.560 We were sitting one day saying what are we gonna call this company, and 89 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:48.079 it was just very natural conversation. We said, well, we're both on 90 00:06:48.079 --> 00:06:51.680 a path, right, so we're like, okay, path the Path. 91 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:57.160 And then we had met a numerologist, so it's funny that you introduced the 92 00:06:57.160 --> 00:07:00.959 show with numerology and we sat and we interviewed her for our documentary, and 93 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:04.000 immediately her first question was, when's your birthday? I want to figure out 94 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:09.319 your life path numbers. So I'm a life path nine and Mike is a 95 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:13.199 life path eleven. So and that's like the master number, right, and 96 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:16.360 the two actually life paths work really well together because one kind of has like 97 00:07:16.480 --> 00:07:20.839 the vision and the idea and the other can help complete. So we decided, 98 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:24.319 well, why don't we just call it path eleven since we learned about 99 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:28.040 this master number of eleven, we're both on a path. And then eleven 100 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:32.720 started following us everywhere we went. We started experiencing the eleven eleven phenomenon. 101 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:36.399 Every time we'd go into production, we'd see one to eleven eleven eleven. 102 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:41.680 When we were traveling to interview people, you know, Google maps would say, 103 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:45.319 you know, our eta of arrival was going to be one to eleven 104 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:47.480 eleven eleven. I mean, we were taking pictures of it. It was 105 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:51.720 just like insane and crazy. We lived eleven miles apart from me, so 106 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:55.000 my mom always said to me, if you were a boy, I was 107 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:58.480 going to name you Michael and Mike and I are born in the same month, 108 00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:03.120 same year, one week part. So it's just we've had so many 109 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:07.279 synchronicities learning about each other, you know, when we had first gotten together, 110 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:11.879 and then this number eleven would not stop. He said, all right, 111 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:16.079 let's name at path eleven. I know that you were already investigating life 112 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:20.480 after death, and then you had your own encounter with death fairly recently. 113 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:24.199 But before we touch on that, I'm curious to know when you first started 114 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:31.399 doing all of these, before you had your own encounter with death, what 115 00:08:31.440 --> 00:08:35.120 did you know about life after death? Were you a skeptic? Were you 116 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:39.720 fully convinced that there was such a thing as life after death? How much 117 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:43.240 exposure to that kind of thing did you have prior to making these projects? 118 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:48.720 So I would say I wasn't as indoctrinated in the religion as Mike was, 119 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:54.200 but I come from an Italian American family and my grandmother was extremely religious and 120 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:58.120 extremely Catholic. Taught me the Rosary, you know all of my prayers. 121 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:01.720 So I believe in God, and when you die, you go to heaven, 122 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:07.240 and you know, you better be careful of breaking any rules. So 123 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:09.799 I would say, you know, I always had some sort of faith. 124 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:13.879 I prayed a lot, I did believe in a God. I didn't know 125 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:18.200 what that god was, and I wasn't doing a lot of studying or questioning 126 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:20.919 of it, you know, I just would always say my prayers. I 127 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:24.879 believed in divine intervention. So I believed in something, but I really didn't 128 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:30.879 know what. And then when we took that week long road trip and started 129 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:35.720 interviewing people, there was the nuclear physicist Thomas Campbell, who pretty much blew 130 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:39.360 every belief system that I had in my life out of the water. And 131 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:43.360 I left doing these interviews like, I don't know what I believe in anymore, 132 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:48.759 and I'm really freaked out because I thought this was the plan. And 133 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:54.600 I started learning about soul contracts. How you know that we pre plan our 134 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:58.600 life and that we travel within the same soul group, and that we decide 135 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:03.519 how we want to evolve in each lifetime, and that our soul group people 136 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:07.000 will volunteer to play roles in our lives and we come down in the physical 137 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:09.440 body and we act that out in order for our soul to evolve. I 138 00:10:09.519 --> 00:10:11.720 was like, Oh, my God, who's in my soul group now? 139 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:18.000 And you know, so I actually started this with less questions and then had 140 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:22.120 way more questions afterwards, and I really realized it kind of freaked me out 141 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:28.320 because belief systems, I feel, make you feel very secure. Like I 142 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:31.480 felt like I knew where I was going and where I was headed, and 143 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:35.440 the Catholic Church told me, and that felt really good. And then I 144 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:39.559 go on this journey and I start interviewing these people with all these different experiences 145 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:43.879 and learning that you can astral project and go out of body and like go 146 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:48.080 to different planets and meet aliens and stuff like that, and that you can 147 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:50.159 just do this with your consciousness and that were more than our physical body. 148 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:54.559 I mean, I was so kind of freaked out that I felt really unsafe. 149 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:58.399 Then I was like, Okay, now I don't know what I believe, 150 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:01.559 and now I don't really have this plan, and that can be a 151 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:05.159 really scary time when people are going through maybe a spiritual awakening and they're really 152 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:09.240 being challenged to question their belief systems. I still don't have the answers. 153 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:15.759 I've had a lot of great experiences in this pathful even journey of meeting really 154 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:20.679 talented mediums, like people that can communicate with the deceased. I have phenomenal 155 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:28.879 scientists, right and physicists that talk about the quantum mechanics and this virtual field 156 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:33.440 that we're in and that maybe we're just avatars and really understanding consciousness. And 157 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:37.440 I would say that there's some things that sound really good to me, and 158 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:41.600 I would like to believe it. But the other thing that I've learned in 159 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:46.440 this journey is that beliefs can also be traps, and you don't get anything 160 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:50.480 for believing anything. You know, it's really more about the experience. So 161 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:52.679 I guess I've kind of learned, similar to you, to be an open 162 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:58.919 minded skeptic and to collect as much personal data and personal experience as I can 163 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:05.720 and then maybe draw some conclusions, right. And you know, I recently 164 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:09.559 heard somebody say that all that a skeptic really is is someone who was slow 165 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:15.639 to draw conclusions. You know, I'm not necessarily even convinced that I know 166 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:16.960 all the answers, and I don't think it would be fair to say that 167 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:20.039 I know what happens when we die, But I've heard some really cool things 168 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:26.320 that I would like to believe is what happens when we exit the physical form. 169 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:31.519 I've had interviews where they talked about people traveling to different planets, and 170 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:33.960 meeting aliens and things like that, and a lot of it was over my 171 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:37.440 head, I will admit, so I didn't know that there was so much 172 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:41.840 out there. Similarly to you, I didn't realize how much there was out 173 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:46.159 there. I've never been able to astro project or I've tried and tried and 174 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:50.960 tried. I've never been able to read anybody's thoughts or speak to the deceased. 175 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:54.360 I have experienced some things that made me sit up and take notice. 176 00:12:54.919 --> 00:12:58.039 So I do believe that there are things out there. I'm just not sure 177 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:01.759 what they are. Having heard all of these different stories, does there seem 178 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:07.120 to be a common thread throughout or does everyone have their own experience. Well, 179 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:09.720 I would say, you know, after interviewing and reading a lot of 180 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:15.840 people's books and having my guests on my podcast that have had near death experiences, 181 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:20.720 people who have not died and had spiritual awakenings and experience that are like 182 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:26.360 near death experience, and I would say, and those out of body explorers 183 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:31.840 that have been able to astral project and the researchers of consciousness and the scientists 184 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:35.759 as that, I do believe that there's you know, this intelligence out there, 185 00:13:37.279 --> 00:13:39.279 the themes that I find is that there is a great intelligence. And 186 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:45.440 I actually prefer the word creator over God because I don't think God has come 187 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:48.960 with such a connotation of being male, you know, in so many cultures 188 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:52.840 and stuff. So I like the word creator because it really defines like something 189 00:13:52.960 --> 00:14:00.200 created this magnificent planet, like the creation was created by this intelligence. So 190 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:03.639 I do feel that there's a divine intelligence that knows exactly what it's doing, 191 00:14:05.320 --> 00:14:11.720 and that the running theme through and through is that the ultimate evolution of our 192 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:18.080 soul is to become more love and to be of service, and to get 193 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:22.679 connected in our heart and get out of our minds, and to really enjoy 194 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:28.399 the human experience and connection of being here. And that the Creator isn't here 195 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:33.039 to punish us or to hurt us with really tough situations that we go through 196 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:37.279 in life, but those situations are brought to us for us to evolve our 197 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:43.240 consciousness. And like Thomas Campbell in our documentary says, you either evolve or 198 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:46.960 de evolve. It's only two ways to go with consciousness. And there's a 199 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:50.720 lot of decisions and behaviors you can make and choices that you can have our 200 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:54.159 situations that you can put yourself in that can help you to de evolve, 201 00:14:54.799 --> 00:14:58.200 you know. But when you're on a spiritual path and you're really trying to 202 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:05.720 come with kindness and compassion and love, that allows your consciousness to evolve. 203 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:11.120 So those have been some of the themes that I continually hear over and over 204 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:16.840 and over again. I keep hearing guests after Guests tells me we are in 205 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:20.600 the midst of experiencing a spiritual awakening, the lights that we've never seen before. 206 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:24.960 And yet when you turn on the news and you read the newspaper and 207 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:30.360 you look online, all you're getting is what I hear you say, which 208 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:33.799 is the humanity de evolving. It just seems like we're going in the opposite 209 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:37.840 direction. At In a lot of ways, there seems to be a big 210 00:15:37.879 --> 00:15:41.240 divide between the people who are awakening and the people who just kicking and screaming 211 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:43.759 or saying, you're not taking the keys from me until I'm ready to do 212 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:46.559 it. So how do we come to terms with something like that. I 213 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:50.120 may not be able to speak as eloquently about this as some other people can, 214 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:52.600 but I'll try to do it. Just in my way. Is that, 215 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:56.559 yes, the news can make us feel like we're de evolving. But 216 00:15:56.919 --> 00:16:03.200 you know, it's called television programming. Programming for a reason, and that 217 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:08.480 is just a small sliver of a window that we can look through that appears 218 00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:14.039 to be the whole world, right, And the television in the news is 219 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:17.360 really a program for fear. And I would say, I'm not like this 220 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:22.440 huge conspiracy theorist, and I don't get totally in depth with some of those 221 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:26.720 ideas and things like that, but I will tell you that when I went 222 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:30.200 into my own therapy in my early twenties, I was struggling with my own 223 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:37.080 anxiety that was kind of based in childhood and some PTSD. The first assignment 224 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:41.000 my therapist gave me, who was a very spiritual teacher as well, she 225 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:42.240 said, April, how often do you watch the news? I said, 226 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:45.480 oh, twice a day in the morning and at night. Your homework is 227 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:48.799 to stop watching the news. I said, Susan, I can't stop watching 228 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:51.440 the news. How am I going to know what's happening? She goes, 229 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:53.159 April, you have a lot of people in your life who love you very 230 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:56.679 much, and if the world is going to end, I promise you someone's 231 00:16:56.679 --> 00:17:00.759 going to give you call, or somebody will text you. I remember I 232 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:06.119 had a client that was really struggling with anxiety over what was going on with 233 00:17:06.759 --> 00:17:11.720 the riots during the election time and when they stormed DC and all of that. 234 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:14.839 And I said, and I asked her, I said, if you 235 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:19.480 did not turn the TV on today, what was your world like without watching 236 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:23.039 that? I said, did anything really change outside of your home? Your 237 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:26.559 day? You know, what was your day like? She goes, Oh, 238 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:30.599 actually, the weather was really beautiful and nothing really happened in my town, 239 00:17:30.680 --> 00:17:33.000 and I was safe and I was okay. But you would have thought 240 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:41.799 that she was there participating, witnessed and saw all of that chaos. And 241 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:48.880 unfortunately, because we are programmed to survive and we're kind of programmed to get 242 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:52.839 through very traumatic moments as a human being and a species, we can become 243 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:57.799 very addicted to that adrenaline, the stress hormones that get released, the dopamine 244 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:03.359 that gets released in our brain, and we crave more of that. So, 245 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:06.440 yes, there are some really horrible things that have happened in our world, 246 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:08.640 and I'm not downplaying any of that. But I also think there has 247 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:14.359 to be a really good balance between what's going on, what we're being served, 248 00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:18.799 the amount of fear that you're allowing into your life and then kind of 249 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:21.400 what is really going on on your day to day, because I'm sure you've 250 00:18:21.400 --> 00:18:23.799 had a lot of your guests say, you know it, change really begins 251 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:30.960 within yourself. And we can feel very overwhelmed with the political world and what's 252 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:33.200 happening, and it looks like we're de evolving. But if you become that 253 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:36.400 change, right, become the change you wish to see in the world. 254 00:18:36.519 --> 00:18:40.440 But you start changing and becoming more love, that eventually has a ripple effect. 255 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:41.759 So like, what can you do, what can you take control of 256 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:47.720 today? So I would say it really depends where are you looking and what 257 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:49.599 is your perception. If all you're doing is watching the news, it's going 258 00:18:49.640 --> 00:18:53.160 to feel like we're going to hell and handbag, right, that the world 259 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:57.680 really is crumbling. But if you look through a different lens and you're watching 260 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:03.960 for the stories of people rallying and gathering together and supporting one another through natural 261 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:07.400 disasters and coming together as a community, and look at all the beautiful things 262 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:12.079 that happened with the pandemic and food pantries and people reaching out and taking care 263 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:15.119 of each other, and you know, the black lives matter movement. I 264 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:19.640 mean something horrible, like I said, that feels like it was just this 265 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:25.599 horrible thing that it happened helped a lot of people's consciousness to evolve, to 266 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:30.319 stand up to speak, to speak their truth. So I really think it's 267 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:33.440 the pair of glasses that you wear and how you're looking at it, because 268 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:40.079 it may look like it's an ugly world, but there are many beautiful aspects 269 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:44.000 of it as well. So I think we're moving more towards evolution than d 270 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:48.799 D evolution. It was beautifully said, and I want to thank you for 271 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:52.279 reminding me. My second book that I talk about on the show all the 272 00:19:52.279 --> 00:19:56.200 time is doctor WAYN. Dyer's Ten Secrets of Inner Peace and Success or something 273 00:19:56.200 --> 00:20:00.640 along those lines. And that's more along the lines of everything is exactly the 274 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:04.839 way it's supposed to be right, we are in exactly the place that we're 275 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:11.680 meant to be, And you're right. Change starts from within living life through 276 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:17.079 a non judgmental get out of your mind and more into serving others and in 277 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:22.480 closer to love. And that when I remember to do that stuff, it 278 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:26.039 does help a lot. So you're right. And I can't tell you the 279 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:30.319 last time I watched the news for that exact reason, I actually went through 280 00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:34.400 my own mental health crisis and I did turn it off because I couldn't. 281 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:37.359 I couldn't, and I just I've never gone back. I think, I 282 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:40.200 think maybe once or twice in the past month or so. But but then 283 00:20:40.200 --> 00:20:44.440 that brings me to the point of the inner piece that we're all trying to 284 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:51.759 achieve in this life is meant to prepare us for the next. We need 285 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:56.200 to take a quick break, but we'll be right back with more amazing conversation 286 00:20:56.480 --> 00:21:10.599 on the skeptic metaphysicians. And now back to the skeptic metaphysicians. A lot 287 00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:15.839 of the things that I saw on your app was about getting beyond the fear 288 00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:21.920 of death, of passing through because of some of these experiences that people have 289 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:26.119 had that you spoke about a little bit earlier. So before we go any 290 00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:29.799 further, I'd love for you to share with us your encounter. You had 291 00:21:29.839 --> 00:21:36.039 already been investigating these life after death cases when you were confronted with your own 292 00:21:36.079 --> 00:21:37.920 experience with death. Can you share that with us? Yeah, so you 293 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:41.839 know, I started this death journey, I guess she could say in two 294 00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:47.039 thousand and eight, and then in two thousand and nineteen, my mom tragically 295 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:52.240 died. She was hit by a car on October nineteenth. So the interesting 296 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:56.640 thing with all of that was that I had an intuition and in knowing that 297 00:21:56.680 --> 00:22:00.720 my mom was going to pass that year. My mom struggled a majority of 298 00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:04.559 her life with alcoholism and addiction, and she had periods of sobriety, but 299 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:10.319 the last two years of her life she really got herself into some predicaments in 300 00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:15.000 a really horrible domestic violent relationship, really struggling with money, some health issues 301 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:19.839 on top of addiction. Right, So it just was an intuitive sense when 302 00:22:19.839 --> 00:22:25.440 you feel like someone's really going downhill, you I just knew. I don't 303 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:27.480 know how to explain it. I just knew that her time was near. 304 00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:32.839 I didn't know when or how. My guess was she would have passed away, 305 00:22:32.839 --> 00:22:37.519 either from a drug overdose or maybe a complication of alcoholism. She also 306 00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:41.400 struggled with some long issues because she was a long time smoker. But never 307 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:44.440 in a million years would I think that, you know, she was going 308 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:45.480 to get hit by a car and that would be the way that she would 309 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:51.880 leave you this earth. And I had some premonition dreams. I kept having 310 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:55.720 the stream of a state trooper coming to my place to notify me, and 311 00:22:55.799 --> 00:22:59.279 that's exactly what happened. You know. A state trooper came and it was 312 00:22:59.319 --> 00:23:00.720 five o'clock in the morning, and he opened up the door and he said, 313 00:23:00.759 --> 00:23:03.759 are you April Hannah And I said, yes, I am. This 314 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:07.119 is about my mom, isn't it. And he said yes. He's like 315 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:11.759 looking at me with this strange you know look, He's like, yes, 316 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:15.559 she was in an accident. And I said she's dead, isn't she? 317 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:18.400 And he said, how did you know this? And so, like I 318 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:22.400 wasn't going to go into well, I've been psychics since I've been five years 319 00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:25.599 old, you know, and you know I've been having these dreams, officer, 320 00:23:25.799 --> 00:23:29.960 but you know, so it's just kind of interesting because I knew that 321 00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:33.279 my mom's death was impending, it was going to be happening soon, but 322 00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:36.920 you know, the trauma of it was pretty pretty traumatic, and then, 323 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:40.920 you know, it left me with more sometimes, you know, like when 324 00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:44.359 I think about it, some more questions, you know. It I went 325 00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:48.440 back to my resource of doing all this work with pathlev and TV and was 326 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:51.480 found myself saying, well, what fits in you know, what makes sense? 327 00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:53.279 Why did my mom have to go this way? Why did her life 328 00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:56.400 it was so tragic? Why did her death have to be tragic? You 329 00:23:56.440 --> 00:24:03.000 know? So I went and I called out some of just my really close 330 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:07.519 friends and people that I met through my show and really did consultations with healers 331 00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:11.160 and psychic mediums to understand where is my mom? Where is she? Is 332 00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:15.599 her soul lost? Is there such thing as that if there's a tragic death, 333 00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:18.480 did her soul get to the light? You know, Like even though 334 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:21.079 I've had these guests on my show, you know, tell me some of 335 00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:23.799 these things, I really started to question it because now it was like this 336 00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:29.359 more personal experience and you know, trying to like figure out my own answers 337 00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:32.160 of where is she? Can I communicate with her? You know? Why 338 00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:34.559 did it have to happen this way? Like with all of the trauma that 339 00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:37.079 we've been through in our relationship, Like, really, Mom, you're going 340 00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:41.200 to leave me with one more post traumatic stress you know, a situation here. 341 00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:45.920 So it's just been really interesting. And I would say that when you 342 00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:52.480 work and you're talking so much about death, people might perceive my reaction as 343 00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:56.640 like I shouldn't seem that distraught, And it's like there's a part of me 344 00:24:57.039 --> 00:25:03.079 with doing all this research, I'm not because I do know and believe and 345 00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:07.759 have experienced that my mom's consciousness is outside of the physical body as I know 346 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:14.640 her to be. So I don't have this part of grief that maybe many 347 00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:18.960 people have depending upon where their belief systems are, because there's just a knowingness 348 00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:22.400 that, like, my relationship with her doesn't end. Actually it got a 349 00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:26.319 lot better because we were no longer dealing with the alcoholism and the drug addiction, 350 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:30.599 all the drama and the chaos of what was going on. Yeah, 351 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:33.559 now I could really communicate with her. We can have a conversation, we 352 00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:37.279 can have spiritual conversations, and you know, I've had a lot of validations 353 00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:41.839 of that from different psychic mediums that I've consulted in the past year and a 354 00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:45.119 half. So I would say it didn't strengthen or my fear of death. 355 00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:48.000 You know, I feel like I don't have a fear of death. My 356 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:52.759 fear is more running out of time and feeling like do I have enough time 357 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:56.400 in this world to get done what I need to get done? You know, 358 00:25:56.000 --> 00:26:02.240 But I would say, one of the things that really just felt right 359 00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:06.279 to me was this theory, like I said earlier, of the soul contracts. 360 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:11.119 Right of the soul contract theory helped me to not be angry, to 361 00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:15.720 not be mad in the way that she died, to not be upset with 362 00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:18.119 her with all of the experiences that we went through that were really hard and 363 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:22.359 really traumatic. It really helped me to take a look at the relationship more 364 00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:26.559 through the lens of what was my mom here to teach me? What did 365 00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:30.519 she and I sign up for? What was our contract? And what am 366 00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:33.839 I going to do with these lessons that she brought me? And so my 367 00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:40.880 work kind of is deepening since her passing, even more than where I was 368 00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:44.079 at, you know, a couple of years ago with working with Path eleven, 369 00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:48.559 because once it hits you so raw, then I feel like it's become 370 00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:52.200 even more of my mission to get this education out there so people aren't suffering 371 00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:56.039 so much or staying stuck in their grief if they've lost a loved one, 372 00:26:56.200 --> 00:27:00.759 they have access to our library, to pathl M, ANDTV to get some 373 00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:04.920 of their questions answered. If my mom died that way before two thousand and 374 00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:08.880 eight, I couldn't even tell you where I was. Without knowing all of 375 00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:14.599 this stuff in this research, I would probably still be in like deep therapy 376 00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:18.359 for it. I probably just would have stayed traumatized. So for those that 377 00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:22.640 were listening in who maybe aren't familiar with the term soul contract, in essence, 378 00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:25.720 it's pretty much just kind of a basic plan that you make prior to 379 00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:27.279 coming to the world. Is that right, That's not how you see it. 380 00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:30.559 That's my understanding. Yeah, that we travel within the same soul group, 381 00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:34.200 we return with them over and over, we play different roles in each 382 00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:40.079 other's lives. But you know, maybe my lesson in this soul maybe I 383 00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:42.680 said, Okay, guys, I really want to learn about forgiveness, So 384 00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:47.799 somebody teach me about forgiveness. And my mom, being her soul, raised 385 00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:51.400 her hand and said, okay, I'll teach you about forgiveness. I will 386 00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:53.599 be your mom in this lifetime, but I will take on darkness and I 387 00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:59.759 will give you really hard stuff to forgive. That's heavy. That is really 388 00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:03.279 so. First of all, I'm sorry that you have to go through all 389 00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:06.039 the things that you went through, but I'm also I'm glad that you actually 390 00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:11.039 did have a tool like Path eleven TV to turn to for that kind of 391 00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:18.000 help. I have been unbelievably lucky to not have a significant passing of anyone 392 00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:22.839 that I truly cared for. Yet my parents are in their eighties now and 393 00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:26.599 things are getting close health wise and things like that, so I fully anticipate 394 00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:30.759 something happening soon. Now. I don't have the type of intuition that you 395 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:34.000 have that says my father will pass this year, but something tells me, 396 00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:40.519 yeah, he's not he's not great. So how does someone prepare for that, 397 00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:44.799 for the passing of a loved one that has really shaped who you are 398 00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:48.880 or you who you've been for so long? Yeah. So what I've learned 399 00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:52.759 more recently with this conference that is on Path eleven TV. It's called the 400 00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:59.640 Afterlife Conference. I was introduced to people called death duelas I didn't even know 401 00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:03.640 that there was such a thing. So like for you, I would say, 402 00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:07.119 I would really immerse yourself into what a death duel is and how they 403 00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:12.440 can help families prepare for death. Shamans do beautiful and wonderful like death rituals 404 00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:18.000 and work that can help souls transition. The work of Raymond Moody and Lisa's 405 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:25.440 smart. Where they've done the language of the dying and deathbed visions is fascinating 406 00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:29.599 to me. And I learned about that after my aunt had passed away. 407 00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:33.480 She had a very active death. You know, my cousin and I were 408 00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:36.279 spiritual, but and so was she. And we were saying, what do 409 00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:37.319 you see? Do you see the light? She's like, yes, the 410 00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:41.640 light's getting closer. We're like, is Grandma there? She's like, I 411 00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:44.240 can see someone, but I'm not sure who I mean. We have a 412 00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:48.799 full on conversation about what my aunt was seeing when she was transitioning. She 413 00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:53.680 let us know that she was hearing music words like they're getting closer. I 414 00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:59.160 have to go to the party soon. So I would say in how do 415 00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:02.480 you prepare maybe for a death that you know is imminent in coming, it 416 00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:06.799 might be a slower death. There are like beautiful rituals and things that you 417 00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:11.400 can do. And I also interviewed a really great er doctor, Monica Williams. 418 00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:15.119 I think she's based out of Texas. I could be getting that wrong, 419 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:21.119 but she has active conversations within her community about people actually talking to their 420 00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:26.319 family members about what they want before they die. What are their healthcare directives, 421 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:30.240 what are their wishes? And really talking to your parents, like do 422 00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:32.720 they have a plot, do they know where they want to be buried? 423 00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:34.519 Do they want to be cremated? Do they want music at their funeral? 424 00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:38.519 Do they have a DNR? Like what are their medical wishes and stuff like 425 00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:45.119 that. And if the family has an open communication about death and transition, 426 00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:48.160 then I would say that the process of it can be really beautiful. You 427 00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:52.960 can prepare you know, music, the surroundings, people who are visiting when 428 00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:56.440 the person passes, Like, I didn't even know that you could do this 429 00:30:56.519 --> 00:31:00.440 either. It's like you can preserve the body yourself. You can like wait 430 00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:06.920 till the coroner comes and gets the body, Like you can wash the person's 431 00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:11.200 body. You can have a ceremony with their body there. Some people believe 432 00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:15.200 that you shouldn't even cremate or move the body for three days because it still 433 00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:18.880 takes the soul three days or more to begin to exit the physical body. 434 00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:25.039 That's why there can be a lot of activity when somebody passes right away in 435 00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:27.880 like a couple of days afterwards, Like a lot of paranormal stuff can happen 436 00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:33.640 because the soul is still transitioning. So there's there's shamans that work with like 437 00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:37.240 hospices and they do something called the death spiral. You can look that up 438 00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:42.799 where they help the soul to move because some souls or some people are very 439 00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:47.640 afraid to make that transition, and some of us will hang on right because 440 00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:52.279 we're afraid of death. So there's I mean, like I said, my 441 00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:55.680 world was open up, and I'm still learning about all this about what you 442 00:31:55.720 --> 00:32:00.400 can do to help somebody that is getting ready for transition. But I think 443 00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:04.680 when people are of sound mind, now is the time to have those conversations, 444 00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:08.440 those tough conversations. You've opened up so many avenues in directions to go. 445 00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:12.160 I don't think we're gonna have enough time to talk about everything that that 446 00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:15.200 that we had just come up, things like what you mentioned about the taking 447 00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:17.400 three days with the soul to leave the body. I have seen a body 448 00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:22.640 after death and you could see there is a difference. There's something missing from 449 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:28.720 the body after when someone dies that you just would assume that the soul has 450 00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:30.160 gone. That's what that's what's missing, right, And then something about is 451 00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:34.799 it six is it six ounces? I forgot how much what the weight is 452 00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:38.200 that that they've found that somehow they were able to measure when someone dies, 453 00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:44.240 they're lighter by six ounces or whatever it is. And and the thought is 454 00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:45.839 maybe that's the that's the weight of the soul or something like that. But 455 00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:50.400 I'm sure lots of lots of lots of discussions that we could have around that. 456 00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:54.200 But I've got to ask the big burning question, especially because you talked 457 00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:59.759 about being there while your loved one was transitioning it and she was telling you 458 00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:02.799 she was seeing what she was experiencing. The big question, because of course 459 00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:07.759 you're on the skeptic metaphysician, is what about all of the evidence now, 460 00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:13.079 or I would shouldn't say evidence, but the conversations that are being had about 461 00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:19.119 the fact that maybe this is just the brain going through the transition process and 462 00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:25.240 triggering different things that tricks the person into thinking that they're seeing past this life. 463 00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:30.440 Any thought to maybe this is just a trick of the mind before we 464 00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:32.680 pass well, I think there has been a lot of research to show that 465 00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:37.720 consciousness is what do they call it, nonlocal, it's not local, that 466 00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:42.200 consciousness exists outside of the brain, and I think that's what you're bringing up 467 00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:46.480 is the biggest argument that people are trying to prove does this consciousness inside of 468 00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:52.039 the brain or does it live outside of the brain, And like remote viewing 469 00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:57.599 in our second documentary to me, shows that consciousness does not exist inside the 470 00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:00.759 brain. And I understand some of that evidence of like, oh, maybe 471 00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:06.000 it's like a DMT experience that you're having in all these flood of chemicals and 472 00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:08.719 that's what these people are seeing and stuff like that. But when you even 473 00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:15.480 study just the basics of remote viewing and your intent is to move your consciousness 474 00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:21.159 to a target in a location, and people are getting accurate hits, like 475 00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:25.360 our military was using that technique to find prisoners of wars and they found them 476 00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:30.039 and you know, stuff that was in the ocean and you know. So 477 00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:35.400 it's like, I think there's enough evidence out there now to show and so 478 00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:40.199 many blind studies like Gary Schwartz is another name drop I'll do of that studying 479 00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:45.880 that and like psychic phenomenon, and he has really great controlled studies of psychic 480 00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:50.679 mediums doing readings on people that they're not even seeing the people and they're able 481 00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:54.079 to access information. So I mean, to me, I don't know, 482 00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:59.519 I just I feel like I know that consciousness exists, life of the mind. 483 00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:02.639 So it just comes down to, I guess how pragmatic you feel you 484 00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:07.159 are, quisite Isaac as a move er, Robert Heinlein or some one of 485 00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:10.199 those science fiction Arthur C. Clark, one of those science fiction writers, 486 00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:15.239 said that science seem to be magic to those that aren't vanced enough to understand 487 00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:19.000 it. At one point in time, the majority of people believe that the 488 00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:22.199 Earth was flat, right, that the Sun revolved around us and things like 489 00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:24.639 that. So you never know what could be discovered, and we may never 490 00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:28.920 know. And maybe that's the beauty of it, the fact that we're not 491 00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:34.119 supposed to know, that we're supposed to find it within ourselves to know internally 492 00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:39.239 that this is indeed just a temporary passed through for us, and that there's 493 00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:45.599 our true selves or true lives really are elsewhere. I'm just really impatient and 494 00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:50.760 I just need to know. I want to know Nat not by dying, 495 00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:53.480 but you know, yeah, I want someone to come back and say, 496 00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:57.480 will this is it and this is this is what it is, And I 497 00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:00.119 mean not realistically, it's not going to happen, right. You probably you 498 00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:02.599 have come the closest because you've explored it quite as thoroughly as you have. 499 00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:07.840 But I don't see you having any doubts at all. You truly believe that 500 00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:10.679 there is life after death. Yeah, And I said this on another podcast 501 00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:14.800 that I was on. I just think our terminology and our language needs to 502 00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:19.400 change around it because we keep using the word death and is there life after 503 00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:22.880 death? But it's really a continuation of consciousness. And I think if we 504 00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:28.840 began to remove that vocabulary and that language, we would be having different conversations. 505 00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:31.559 But that's what our culture is used to. We want to explain that 506 00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:36.239 when that soul, like you said, when you see a dead body, 507 00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:38.280 you know that there is something that is shifted and change. It is not 508 00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:43.039 in the physical where did it go? But we use the word death to 509 00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:46.400 describe that. So I feel like the language and the way that we talk 510 00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:52.519 about it would be really great if that can shift. So I would say, 511 00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:58.719 I believe that consciousness continues and uses the physical body as a vehicle to 512 00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:02.800 intermingle on earth. So and I would say when that consciousness is done, 513 00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:07.199 or the lesson has been learned, or the contract has been signed and sealed 514 00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:15.039 and delivered, then the consciousness will leave this physical form and then decide what 515 00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:17.280 it's going to do from there and maybe it will re enter into another form. 516 00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:21.920 In your experience, what has been the underlying threat? I mean, 517 00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:27.039 everyone hears about the white light and the tunnel that people see loved ones at 518 00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:30.119 the end waiting for them to greet them. Has that been consistent in your 519 00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:35.679 research or have there been kind of one offs that throw monkey wrenches into those 520 00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:38.039 things? Well, when I interviewed William Buelman, who is an out of 521 00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:44.000 body expert, he really helped me to understand this, and he talks a 522 00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:49.800 lot about belief systems, and my understanding from people that have access to like 523 00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:54.440 more of maybe really what happens and like the council and people who make these 524 00:37:54.440 --> 00:38:01.719 decisions or the creator is that it will we see what our belief systems are 525 00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:06.199 at the time of our death. So if I believe I'm going to go 526 00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:09.280 to heaven and I'm going to meet my family and then deceased loved ones there, 527 00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:15.000 the creator, the consciousness system, the Creator has the intelligence to know 528 00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:19.280 what will bring me more peace at that time of transition, so I'm not 529 00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:22.199 as fearful, so it will create the heaven that I believe it to be, 530 00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:28.760 which might include churches and flowers and clouds and angels and my loved ones. 531 00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:32.920 And so that's been my experience of what I have heard that many times 532 00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:37.039 people will see that like people who had near death experiences and had strong religious 533 00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:44.599 belief systems, they too have reported that that the Creator had given them something 534 00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:47.440 to bring them comfort, to help them have that experience. But then like 535 00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:52.320 when they come back, usually their belief systems are completely smashed too, because 536 00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:58.000 they realize that the Creator isn't like we were talking about earlier, neither male 537 00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:01.079 nor female, and that there's this tremendous love and there isn't this judgment. 538 00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:07.519 And most people may have somewhat of an experience of visuals, you know, 539 00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:09.199 that they come back and they tell the story. But I've talked to so 540 00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:14.880 many people that said it was kind of like this void of nothingness and everything 541 00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:19.679 all at the same time, and no one seems to have a word in 542 00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:23.960 the English language to really describe what they felt. But they try to come 543 00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:29.559 back talking about this love and this acceptance of this grand being that they come 544 00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:32.519 in contact with. And that is also a consistent theme. Right, most 545 00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:37.480 people say there aren't words in the human language to describe what I saw and 546 00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:40.679 what I felt, So that would be my answer to that, Well, 547 00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:46.599 it's lovely and if indeed this is where we go and who our creator is, 548 00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:55.559 it's an amazing, loving, wonderful thought that I welcome wholeheartedly and every 549 00:39:55.639 --> 00:40:01.599 day try to get my consciousness to align with So having you on the show 550 00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:07.039 to remind me and the audience of that has been outstanding. I didn't know 551 00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:09.679 what to expect out of this interview, but it's gone so far beyond what 552 00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:14.239 I had hoped for, So I really truly appreciate your coming on and talking 553 00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:15.880 to us about this. The time has gone by so fast, I don't 554 00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:21.280 even know how long I can continue talking with you, not just the topic 555 00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:24.000 itself, but the way you expressed it, the way your demeanor, your 556 00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:28.760 energy coming through. For those that are only listening, we are seeing each 557 00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:31.760 other on camera, so we connect better during the interview. 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