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Well, let me to tell you
what you would have seen and heard.

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If we'll not do pleasants listening,
if you're at lunch, or if you

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have no appetite, now is a
good time to switch off the radio.

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An ancestor of mine maintained, if
you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains,

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however improbable elevation Russian banji out of
it, you don't genera one who knows

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that I'm willis by the thousand years. I wish I could say tonight that

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a lasting peace is inside. I
don't see any laughing dream. I feel

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a laughing light now. I pray
flock if we hear for angus to kail,

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if we care for assure to kail
were some say the world will end,

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empire, some stay anie. From
what I've tasted of desire, I

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hold of those that flavor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,

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I think I know. I'm a
hate to say that. For destruction I

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say is also great and looks sufficed. This is history I possible. To

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start us off, I would like
to bring up one of my favorite quotes

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from the classic film Jurassic Park from
nineteen ninety three, and it is when

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Ian Malcolm played by Jeff Goblum,
the Chaos Titian says, boy do I

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hate being right all the time,
as the t Rex starts to recavoc And

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I feel like that is frequently something
that you and I find ourselves saying,

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especially when politics by assassination starts to
read its ugly head. Oh yeah,

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and we're going to be talking about
well the most important assassination now, but

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just remember that also Ryan mettal Boss
was well survived in assassination attempt just yesterday.

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So assassinations everywhere, and and you
know, being being right? Oh

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yeah, And also I have a
bunch of assassinations in my head. It's

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it's what it is these days,
I suppose. I mean, it doesn't

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pay that well as it should,
and people, maybe you should listen to

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us more. But I think people
don't like to be as dire or maybe

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not cynical. But I think pessimistic
is a better word. I think I

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don't. I don't consider that pessimistic. I consider that to be just just

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you know, just you have to
know the reality and accept it as it

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is before you get to solve any
issues, Otherwise you end up solving the

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wrong issues, not as the actual
problem, which is a thing. But

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oh boy, we're in just a
hint. I'm strictly forbade for forbade the

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Alex for reading the article. Yeah, this is new to me. So

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yeah, we can uh edge right
into this because I'd be actually shocked,

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first of all, if anyone listening
doesn't know what we're talking about. Obviously,

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President, former president possibly next President
Donald Trump survived an assassination attempt.

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Uh, so obviously we have to
talk about it, and uh, someone

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else had to talk about it.
And it was kind of it was it

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was it was it was the Nash, it was the it was our our

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like for for me, you know, I'm a goodkin person. But when

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it comes when when I meet Alex
and we have no choice, we must

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discuss Dugan dog Dougan, Kanye West
is our man. Yeah, well legitimate

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quote he said that Kanye West is
ideological hours because whatever, however, and

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this and this, by the way, is our second attempt at the recording

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of this, because our first attempt
went kind of nowhere, yep, and

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it was mired by technological issues that
I think actually were a blessing in disguise.

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I think we're more focused now and
not just sort of like seat of

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our pants recording, which sometimes is
great. It's it's four thirty eight am

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in the morning. I've been off
all night because of it. But yeah,

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here we go, because in the
meantime while we were just you know,

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pausing and everything. It just gets
published in English. I'll starred by

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where it's published. It's published on
a place called Arctos, of which I

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do nothing about. It was translated
by one one Constantine fond Hoffmeista. I

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don't know that guy, but I
do know about Arctos because arc Dose was

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It featured heavily, or I shouldn't
say heavily, but it featured prominently in

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uh my favorite book ever, one
of my favorite books ever by Ben Titelbaund

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War for Eternity. It was this
publishing house founded back in nine in India.

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But it was founded by a Swedish
businessman named Daniel Freeberg. He was

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a associated with white power music in
Sweden at the time. And the company

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has like moved around. I'm just
looking at the Wikipedia right now. It

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looks like it was in Sweden for
a while. Then it was in Hungry

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and I'm not sure where it is
now. But it's sort of like you

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could call it like the publishing house
of the alt right, to use kind

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of a dated term at this point, though, I think it's mostly famous

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for just putting out far right literature, not like literary fiction, but just

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literature. And most significantly it is
the publishing house that translates Alexander Dugan's work

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and gets it put out to the
West, which is why when Tucker Carlson

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and his infinite wisdom said nobody's allowed
to read Alexander Dugan, nobody translates his

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work, It's like, yes it
does, Yes, they do, Tucker

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across and is mentioned in this article. Oh okay, so well we'll get

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to more serious stoppages that the previous
conversation was like an our grim. So

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this this is where we we've prepared, and yeah, here we go.

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I'll start because there are five paragraphs
about of equal length, so I'll just

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I'll just read and then we can
discuss this. And what is the title

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of this? The globalists this but
at the move to kill Trump? Because

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yeah, of course it was the
globalists, not a twenty year old redditor.

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And we are and we are not
like absolutely we're starting strong here.

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The assassination attempt on Trump was quite
predictable. That is objectively true. You

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know what, you know what this
is. It's Pete Dugan. He starts

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off, and you're like, okay, I'm listening. You have you say

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something very simple, very good starting
out. But you and I both know

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where this is gonna go. I
believe you use an analogy when we first

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talked about doin. He'll be It'll
be a clown dancing on the ceiling by

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the end of this. And then
we don't have to wait far. We

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have to wait until the second sentence. There is no doubt that everything was

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organized by the globalist with the support
of that part of the deep state that

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bakstam. The only way to keep
the demeanor the men to our grandfather and

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power is to kill Trump, who
would almost certainly win under the current circumstances.

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The shoot that was immediately taken out
by Secret Service snipers to cover the

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tracks. Essentially, there was an
attempt at a coup in the United States.

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How you like them apples It sounds
like an Oliver Stone movie. Wow,

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he does not waste any time.
Like I said it the very first

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sentence very reasonable in a vacuum.
Then the vacuum is removed and we know

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what he's actually saying. Oh my
lord, okay, well he is saying

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the quiet part out loud for a
lot of people, I think, who

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are assuming this. Like I said
in our boarded recording, I've already seen

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plenty of people on the right,
or at least I should say identifying as

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right wing on Twitter saying things along
those lines, saying that oh, this

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was you know, done by Biden
essentially, which is almost as crazy as

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the people on the left saying oh
this was all staged, which is still

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happening online, like people are still
saying this stuff, which of course they

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are because it's the Internet and we're
probably gonna be stuck with this and far

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far worse down the line. But
Dugan got to give him credit getting out

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in front of it. He's the
first one. He's going to be able

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to be the hipster in the room
and say, ha, you guys are

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talking about conspiracy. I started that
conspiracy theory. And he he goes,

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he goes on strong Man, the
head of Ukraine's main intelligence directorate, Buddanov,

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recognized as a terrorist in Russia,
openly admits that Ukrainian sabotage groups have

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repeatedly attended terrorist attacks against Putin.
Yes, in Slovakia, there was an

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attempt to eliminate Prime Minister Fico opposes
the support of the Nazi hunt and Kiev.

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He's still going with the Nazi stuff. Yeah, because I was gonna

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say, even Putin stopped doing that. In the Tucker Carlson conversation, he

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basically just abandoned the Nazis in Ukraine
pretense. Well, do you know,

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not everyone can be as informed in
shape all the time. I mean doing

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a break. Okay, okay,
okay, wait he talked to He talked

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to Tucker Carlson a week later.
Potato, potato, come on, okay,

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okay, let's continue here. Yeah. Now, there has been an

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attempt on Donald Trump, who incidentally
is highly critical of Zelenskin his regime.

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This is the true face of the
hedgem on the and the unipolar world.

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Anyone who opposes globalism and stands in
the way is first demonized through cancel culture

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tools and then physically eliminated. Murderers
and terrorists, criminals and perpetrators of genocide

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who served the globalists are portrayed as
freedom fighters and and he uses air quotes

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here innocent victims. Kiev propaganda will
surely claim that Trump Schultz himself in the

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ear and the globalist media, which
is built on citecal and cold blooded lies,

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will imply something similar. Uh.
He he hasn't, He hasn't seen

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like Bien and people just that right, Yeah, that he's talking about the

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very fringe elements of the left in
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There are people saying that, individuals
are saying that. Sure, I'm just

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trying to do this for the sake
of argument that there is a certain nugget

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of truth that cancel culture and elimination
are part of the same sort of continuum.

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I've made that argument myself. I
mean, I've said that about you,

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is that you were a victim of
cancel culture and its most extreme though

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it was from people who probably loved
Dugan, which is quite ironic. But

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again, it's just the whole thing
with Dugan is that he'll say something that

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is like maybe like one percent truth, and then the rest of it is

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just like this elaborate scheme. And
also this seems very I mean, we're

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only two pair graphs in but this
seems very simplistic. It doesn't seem like

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it's kind of like that Tucker Carlson
interview where he wrote this more for he

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like dumbed it down is what it
feels like, Like it's dumbed down for

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a Western audience. Now, maybe
that's just what his writing's like in Russian

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and it's just well translated, but
it just seems kind of stupid at this

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point. Meanwhile, my buddy you
Robert, who's sitting here watching watching football,

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just both did the two K Government
Advisor Awards. Assassination attempts becoming more

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likely. Yeah, you know,
we've been saying that for fucking two years.

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Now, come on, look,
we deserve some credit here on this

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one, Okay, like like objectively, but but carrying on with with mister

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Dogan, because uh, this is
this is just just the beginning of all

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this nonsense. Oh boy, okay, uh, just just just a little

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little quiz here, whom do you
like, whom do you think is going

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to be the ultimate responsible person for
this? Well? I okay, so

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first off the top of my head, gas would be Joe Biden. Oh

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you're hitted that that's that's like,
that's like rookie style. Rookie I know,

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okay, let me let me,
let me get a little let me,

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let me, let me get a
second guess. Let me get a

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second guess. Uh, Klaus Schwab
No Biden. Biden is like the fourth

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spot. There is no doubt that
there is no doubt whatsoever. Okay,

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Yeah, no doubt about the responsibility
for the attempted assassination of Trump. The

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leading candidate in the United States presidential
race lies with the group around Obama,

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Blincoln, Hillary Clinton, and the
utterly senile Biden, who has warned that

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freedom is above democracy, meaning the
moocus in its laws are now suspended in

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the name of freedom to continue ruling
one can even kill. Liberalism is finally

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becoming totalitarian, with all of the
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first, including the direct assassination the
undesirable politician. Of course, Biden said

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none of those things. But you
know, let us let us not get

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let us not get reality involved in
this situation, right, I mean,

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to be fair, I don't think. Yeah, Biden hadn't made his comments

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yet when he wrote this, But
you know that that's convenient. But I

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bet you didn't expect Obama to to
get involved so quickly. Honestly, I'm

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not surprised, and I think it's
partly because Obama did kind of insert himself

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into the public conversation again after the
disastrous first debate. Now I'm I'm not

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giving duking credit. I'm just saying
that Obama is in the conversation here.

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That's why I think this is more
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Russian one. I have always wanted
to say this, so, so allow

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allow me the pleasure please, thanks
so Obama. Oh man, I missed

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the days when we got to say
things like thanks Obama, Thanks Bush,

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and it was just that simple.
But now like people actually want you to

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say things like that, or they
expect do you do at least I don't

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know. I had never used this, used this saying before. Yeah,

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so I can. I can now
feel a little bit more awkward. Oh

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boy. Then then then then then
he starts the the part which I would

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call non dumbing down. He sounds
remotely like an actual philosopher in a way.

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Is Oh he uses the word architecture
in an abstract way. Yeah that's

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true. Yeah, yeah, this
is this is this is where this is

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where he gets to gets to play
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not for very long though, because
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world is now fundamentally changing from the
sole dominance of the West to multiple poles,

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at least three Polish people. That
is way this This is multipolarity.

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Sorry, so let's stop from now
on. Multipolarity is three three or more

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poles in a room that they're all
saying, uh courva and drinking vodka.

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Obviously, and then the next phrase, just if you'll allow me here for

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a second, Trump represents the US
as one of the poles. I didn't

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realize Trump was from Chicago. Sorry, that's my dumb joke for the for

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the night. Trump represents the United
States as one of the poles, all

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by the strongest and most influential.
He owns a cars. It's a total

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jaloppi off. A multipolar world.
Globalists care little about the United States as

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they do about everyone else. They
need planetary power, the absolute power of

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transnational capital power. Yeah, what
does he think that? Does he think

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the world is structured around like Emperor
Palpatine? Like what is Yes, that's

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the main thing. They always think. Conspiracies all countries, including American Europe.

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Neither America nor europe countries. But
again, don't don't think about It's

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fine, don't think too hard.
Yeah, it's like bad are just tools

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in the creation of the world government. Trump stands for America and against the

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world government. Putin stands for Russia, Jiji Ping for China, Modi for

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India, and urban Fico Lapen and
the AfD for Europe. Now we know,

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now we know. Let me see. A multipolar world is a system

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where multiple sovereign nations hold power.
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the entire planet. They gain significant
control with the dissolution of Warsaw, backed

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in the collapse of the Soviet Union, and we're back to talking about the

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USSR. A maze balls now as
their grip on power weakens, they're desperately

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trying to hold on. The globalists
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terror. This is a phato complete, not a series of random coincidences.

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It is time to strike back at
the globalist network. Right, Okay,

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okay, it's not a series of
random coincidences. Okay, sounds good.

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That's that sounds like the cry of
desperation from a very scared man. Look

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well, well look and now we
know I guess excuse me, why did

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he not bring up Kanye again?
Kanye stands for America obviously, at least

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according to him. By his man, Kanye is probably the only ones still

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standing for true America. I presume
what okay, I just I presume okay,

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right, right right? But what
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confuse me. It's just really funny
that like he literally creates a list of

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boogeymen, like he is being cartoonish
and like he's saying he's like praising Putin,

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Shijin ping Mody orbon fico marine la
penn and the freaking AfD as in

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the political party that might get banned
in Germany because it's a little too Nazi

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esque, Like it's cartoonishly evil to
the point where it's like, are you're

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just doing the thing? You're doing
the like you know, triggering, you

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know, owning the libs thing,
triggering and owning the libs, Like that's

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what that's for, Like like yes, Putin and she will say or I'll

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use what my father in law says, mister she like Putin and she have

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met, but they they have completely
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about this. I have a thing
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ally that that basically Russian now has. Where is Where is Kim? Yeah?

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Where's mister Kim? Yeah? Where's
little rocket Man? Come on?

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Seems kind of lame to be like
leave mouth like that, come on,

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kind of jack like a jackass?
Move or excuse me? Where's Iran?

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And you know what? Where is
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This is very very mean of him, very inconsiderate it. You know,

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I for one am going to write
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Oh boy, but now, but
now now we get to to to

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your to our surprise guest, in
all this situation, yes, talk heer

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Carlson told me in a conversation in
Moscow, the Trump seriously fears being killed

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by globalists. Talker Carlson, you
have admittedly told Dugan that Trump seriously fears

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being killed by globalists. That's the
thing out now you know you're an American.

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You can ask him. It turns
out he could good reason. The

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more senile Joe descends into dementia.
The more likely it is that they will

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start killing Trump, start killing him. Like, where are they going to

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finish killing him? What are they
talking to? People have died and that

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are injured. God, save America
in all humanity from this criminal gang of

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libertals and globalists. If we do
not stop them now, they will destroy

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us all. And then then there's
link to Dugan's books. Yeah, in

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all like in ass if like bold
text. Alexander Dugan's books can be purchased

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here And I clicked on it just
to see and yeah, they actually have.

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There's a lot. Again, why
is Tucker Carlson such an idiot or

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dishonest when he talks about how you
can't buy these books? Yes you can.

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I am looking at the storefront right
now, Tucker. The only thing

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you can't get is the Fourth Political
Theory because it's not out yet. It

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needs to be pre ordered. Okay, Uh you know what I I do

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actually believe that Tucker Carlson at least
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globalists. I think Trump fears being
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I don't think he really cares,
though. I think that's that's just giving

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too much ideological credit to a man
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frank, we just read, we
literally read in full Dugan's article where I

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don't I don't think we count as
reasonable people. But but what one thing,

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the one thing that this is interesting
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Peskov said the official Kremlin's position here, because he gave an interview to Intel

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Fox and gave speech from his position
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we do not think and do not
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Trump was organized by the current government. But the atmosphere that was created by

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this administration due to the political struggle, the atmosphere around Canada that Trump provoked,

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what the Medica is facing today.
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that it has repeatedly history presented the
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country during political struggles. The current
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prefer to resolve all issues from a
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No one ever tries to see compromises
now and essays the violence has been

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transferred inside the country, and he
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any manifestations of violence, of violence
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Bumpings, I'll let this say.
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goes on for hundreds of years,
and he says, we expressed our condolences

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to the family of the person killed
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the wish to speed recovery, told
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nice little added sentence there in the
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He added that Puttin has no plans
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I just you know, what's really
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aborted attempt at you know, making
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much more sane now after having just
read Dugan's little essay. But in a

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way, you know, it's kind
of similar to Dugan's position, like,

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yeah, he spokes be administration's style
of administration, style of work and all

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this all stuff, which is why
Biden came out like in between this with

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a speech that was basically platitudes,
nothing, nothing important, but he really

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mentioned the biggest thing was and we
saw it because we wanted to watch called

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Palmatic a final game, and they
just in a stream, they just interrupted

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this and started showing Biden. But
the goal is, like the Thematic has

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to be united and that all the
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and like he really kind of made
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interesting, really well. And it's
something that you know I've mentioned and I

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do have thoughts on that I'm still
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think that there's a certain moral I
don't want to say monstrousness because it's a

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little too strong, but I do
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a lot of the people. And
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though he did play a part,
but I do have a bit of ethical

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discuss the lot of the people who
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in that too, they all.
I mean, I don't know how much

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responsibility I described to him, but
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politics, especially a presidential election or
a presidential candidate in such existential terms where

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he is a fascist, a monster, somebody who hates groups of people,

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so on and so forth, like
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you put things in those terms over
and over and over again and then say

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something along the lines of, well, political violence is never okay, Well

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you did put things in existential terms. Now, I don't believe that rhetoric

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causes behavior. I think this twenty
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and he maybe was influenced in some
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going to do something anyway. And
I find this idea of trying to like

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play the like sort of like you
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kind of magnanimous kind of person or
candidate is just kind of silly right now,

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Like if you really meant it,
you would actually make some comment about

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how we've been doing politics wrong and
even and you can even make maybe make

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a jab at Trump and say like, well, he was doing things differently

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and we thought we could be more
like him to like maybe achieve something,

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and it didn't work, and this
is what's happened. Like just take the

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symbolic responsibility and you're going to win
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that is asking probably too much.
And anyway, I'll let you respond to

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that. No, no, no, I will I respond to that.

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I just wanted to maybe, you
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say, not extreme fans of mister
Dougan, because I also also just just

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saying, I also discovered found out
about his you know, his telegram stuff.

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Because if you think, if you
think that he's only writing in in

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this this format where he just boasts
stuff and then he gets like famous people

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translated. Oh no, no,
no, no, no, no,

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that's that's not the case at all, because and we'll read that one.

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Now there's another post made to him
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slightly different. And see if you
see, if you can spot the thing.

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The assassination attempt on Donald Trump is
a revenge attempt by retreating liberal forces,

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the same stuff saying stuff. The
nearly two hundred and fifty year history

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of the United States is peppard with
terror both against and by the top leadership.

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Oh yeah, he's mentioned for presidents
have a necessity in office, Lincoln,

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Garfield, McKinley, and Kennedy.
Then he speaks about how number of

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assassinations that are unable to enable to
count and everything and everything, everything and

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and But his main point here,
because I'm not going to read his paraphrasation

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stuff, is like quote, tta
are against its own citizens, Indians,

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Negroes, Chinese communists, conservatives,
there are against other countries, a huge

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list for Mexico, the Russia,
and the constant count tenor against the leadership.

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Basically, Dugan just says that you
know this is this is far far

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the course for because apparently the United
States are y'all terrorists. Okay, so

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I'm gonna drop some history in here
because this is a sort of joint history

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podcast, and I'm glad you brought
this up because apparently Dugan doesn't know why

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most of our presidents have been assassinated, which is for typically pretty hyper specific

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reasons and has nothing to do with
these grand theories of history or of American

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presence overseas or a I'm sorry,
a multipolar world being forced into a unipolar

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It would be enough if you had
just said Dugan doesn't know, well,

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this is true, but I need
to demonstrate this because it is worth mentioning

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why the first major assassination after Lincoln, because that was actually I think pretty

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significant to the background of like what
was going on. It was a civil

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war related we literally just had a
civil war. That is probably the least

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surprising assassination that we've ever had,
but the assassination of James Garfield. You

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know why he was assassinated? Like
who assassinated him and why? Nope,

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no idea. It was a man
named Charles J. Guiteau, I think

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I got his name right there.
And he shot the president, shot President

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Garfield and took him eleven weeks to
die of an infection specifically, and he

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was assessed during his trial and his
autopsy, and it was revealed that he

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was mentally unbalanced because he had neurosyphilis
as in stage four syphilis, I believe

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was what the stage is. And
the reason that he gave for shooting Garfield.

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Was it because of a you know, the Gilded Age? Was it

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a the rise of a globalist elite
crushing the little guy? Was it a

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socialist revolution? Anything like? No, No, I would say yes to

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all of them. Yeah, sure, sure, except no, it was

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because Guitau was mad that Garfield didn't
make him the ambassador to France. I

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mean, I mean, that's a
valid reason to be mad someone sure,

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sure, but was he even up
for up for it? I actually don't

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know. But the point is it's
a little much. And you could make

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the point that McKinley, the second
third rather president was assassinated, was killed

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for a larger reason because he was
killed by an anarchist. But at the

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end of the day, that's for
a pretty niche political reason. And at

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the time it had to do a
lot more with you know, how progressive

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presidents were treating I would imagine union
workers and so forth, and you know

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JFK. We have a basically a
communist who decided he didn't like JFK and

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shot him. Putting aside the fun
conspiracy theory that we can play around with,

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these people are being killed by individuals
who have hyper specific motivations, and

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I don't think that this new thing
is going to be any different and it

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and my point ultimately is that it
doesn't really matter. Like we can talk

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about what the actual motivations are,
but people have already made up with their

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mind what the assassination attempt was about. It was either I mean, we

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don't really know what it's going to
be in terms of the I guess we

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could call it the globalist mainstream opinion. I don't think we know what the

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narrative there is going to be yet, but we already know what, you

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know, Trump fans and Trump defenders
believe, which is that this is just

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It's what Dugan said. It's just
it's part of this ongoing attempt to eliminate

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Trump from being able to be president
of the United States. It's just it's

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par for the course for these people. They're even less surprised than you and

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I are that this happened because they've
already built up in their minds that they

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quote unquote the capital T they will
do whatever they can to get rid of

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this guy, and no matter what
anyone says, they'll never change their mind

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about that, because there's been very
little meaningful effort to repudiate that, especially

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given that there were instances as time
has gone on, of basically trying to

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railroad Trump in terms of the legal
process, however deserve it it might be.

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I'm just saying that you're going to
do these things, You're going to

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create a perception, and that perception
is going to become a narrative and then

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it just gets intensified and solidified as
time goes on, because that's just how

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people are. So yeah, that's
sort of my take on this. I

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guess they didn't expect to make it
the whole take, but that's really what

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my take is on this at this
point. I mean, yeah, and

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I really, I really feel like
this is just causing more chaos. And

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as I was going through this,
I really watched through what all the channels

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were saying, you know, that's
what I do, and everyone's just super

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neutral and this neutral attitude from everyone
except do again. But Duggan's a lovely

406
00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:07.599
special case. Uh But but like
I think, I think this really shows

407
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:13.839
that they, even even Premlin is
now a bit freaky freaked out since you

408
00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:17.160
know, there's also the other side, which definitely Secret Services might be looking

409
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:22.240
into because the Russia is known to
also do assassinations from their old political goals

410
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:29.440
and meddling with stuff and the weirdness
what I what I really wanted to kind

411
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:32.400
of point out here, which which
by the way, in a previous conversation

412
00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:38.759
I mentioned this and the idea was
kind of stunning to you about PTSD,

413
00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:44.359
about PTSD and and Trump and I
don't know, he's like, what nearly

414
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:47.480
eighty or how in his seventies.
Yeah, I don't, I can,

415
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:51.440
I'll double check that for you.
But yeah, see talking as a person

416
00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:57.839
who legit has PDSD and is dealing
with it through therapy and and my god,

417
00:32:57.880 --> 00:33:00.119
my wife has been through a lot, there's a lot of a lot

418
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:07.559
of trauma coming from that stuff.
It's definitely definitely not anything that you would

419
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:13.079
want to want to go through like
there are, for example, there's as

420
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:17.960
various different shape diffreation, but basically
depends on how jousteditary thing you are and

421
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:23.240
what's happening with you. It's just
never simple. But you can have like

422
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:28.599
nightmares, you have trouble sleeping,
you can be easily start a or fight

423
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:31.960
frightened, you can get aggressive,
you can get like random impulses, you

424
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:37.400
can just you can just be paranoid. Like for me, Like for me,

425
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:40.759
what really struck me was remember when
I was when I was back in

426
00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:46.200
the States, I went to the
six Flags while well there was the tornado

427
00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:51.160
alarm, and the tornado alarm was
exactly the same one as they use in

428
00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:55.960
Ukraine for like airds and bomb bomb
size. Yeah, and I freaked out

429
00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:01.759
like I I didn't didn't like.
My first reaction was just to go and

430
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:07.079
dock and cover and just get down, although that was quite okay, but

431
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:08.880
you know, calm down a bit, and then they pushed me towards the

432
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:14.599
right idea. But yeah, it
happens because you can really just feel all

433
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:17.639
the happening stuff. You can really
feel stuff. It's just it sits in

434
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:22.239
your brain and doesn't let go unless
you work with it. And it's hard

435
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:27.639
for me, who's a trained professional
in these cases, I don't exactly know

436
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:31.159
how how Trump can can deal with
this, and and it doesn't really And

437
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:34.440
by the way, you know,
to those of you who call him an

438
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:37.960
absolute psychopath or sociopath, oh no, no, no, no, see

439
00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:42.239
those things, those things are related
to you having an inflated ego of yourself.

440
00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:46.519
The problem is when yourself comes into
trauma that turns into well, usually

441
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:51.880
stronger, stronger reactions. People tend
to get more paranoid, like look at

442
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:59.360
put In and put In and his
you know, attitude towards basically put In

443
00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:04.840
and his I don't even know how
to put this properly. How he uses

444
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:07.679
the big table, right, you
know, how how he just guards himself

445
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:12.000
from everyone all the time. That
that definitely also, you know, he's

446
00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:16.000
just drowing more paranoid by the day, and he might have issues when he

447
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:21.239
gets selected, and he will have
to see a therapist. And I'm not

448
00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:23.039
sure how that's normalized. I don't
know how much good it would do,

449
00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:28.119
but I and that what really struck
me when you told me about that initially,

450
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:30.840
just you brought this inside in,
is that it provided a sort of

451
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:37.320
like really important I think, context
to what some people have been saying,

452
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:40.760
and they've been saying it more from
the context of like, oh, well,

453
00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:44.679
we should be afraid because you know
he's gonna win and he's going to

454
00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:46.800
crack down. There's going to be
an authoritarian crackdown the likes of which we've

455
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:51.039
never seen before, which to that, I'd say there would have been a

456
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:52.119
crackdown if it was bite In up
there. I mean, there'd be a

457
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:57.800
crackdown no matter who, because it's
the president in a post Patriot Act world

458
00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:01.159
almost getting assassinated. Like, I
don't think people appreciate that things have been

459
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:07.039
you know, primed for something like
this and to get worse in terms of

460
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:12.800
authoritarianism for a very long time.
But with that said, you fleshed out

461
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:21.679
the context of really why Trump being
president is actually kind of unnerving at this

462
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:25.199
point. And it's because of that
angle. And I, you know,

463
00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:29.199
dare I say it because you can? Can you be? Cause you call

464
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:32.519
this cape it right exactly in the
cases it's not something that you can just

465
00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:37.519
you know, doopful. It leaves
some scars. But then again again I

466
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:40.199
mentioned Teddy Rosel before, but he
had been through asthma, and he had

467
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:45.400
been through like the war Spanish American
one, right, and he's the more

468
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:49.800
you are when he lost his the
love of his life, he lost his

469
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:52.639
first wife. I mean, yeah, he had he had an unbelievably traumatic

470
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:57.760
life and he was just a very
tough person, I think, And a

471
00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:00.159
lot of the thing is the thing
is you can work with it, and

472
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:04.840
you can deal with this stuff,
and right, well then it's recommended to

473
00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:07.920
you know, take long walks in
nature, which is a way how to

474
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:12.119
deal with this stuff. Which did
that? Yeah, yeah, And that's

475
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:19.920
the whole, the whole stupid idea
is that that I don't think Trump is

476
00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:23.719
anywhere near that level of mental I
don't think I don't really think that Trump

477
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:29.599
is even aware that this could be
a thing. Right, That's what I

478
00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:32.000
was getting at, is that I
that's what worries me, is that he's

479
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:36.960
completely past being the kind of person
who is self aware on that level,

480
00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:43.559
and that can produce, as you
were essentially saying, some pretty chaotic results.

481
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:47.519
And that is what, in my
opinion, actually further disqualifies him from

482
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:52.800
being president. Like the sinility of
Joe Biden, I would say precludes him

483
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:58.880
from being president, and this and
the potential for extreme PTSD from Donald Trump

484
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:00.159
precludes him from being president. In
it, I just don't think that we

485
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:05.920
should, you know, have people
in such fragile states leading things, not

486
00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:08.519
to mention being so old in both
cases, Trump is seventy eight, by

487
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:12.360
the way, way older than I
thought for some reason. But yeah,

488
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:16.800
you add those factors in with the
other ones, including PTSD. I yeah,

489
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:22.079
I I that is what concerns me
because it can result in, as

490
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:30.320
you say, very paranoid behavior.
Your comparison to Putin is very compelling in

491
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:35.639
that sense too, and in terms
of how it concerns me, like I

492
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:39.559
putting the platitudes aside, like yeah, I don't want I don't like the

493
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:43.480
idea of someone getting killed. Even
though I don't really like Donald Trump very

494
00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:49.039
much and I like and all the
like wishing him full speedy recovery. Platitudes

495
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:52.719
that we hear don't really get to
the truth of what's going on here,

496
00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:58.119
which is that we are probably looking
at someone who could very well be some

497
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:06.239
form of the ticking time bomb.
And that is concerning. But I suppose

498
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:14.039
that's what that's what you get.
I guess the trade off of democracy.

499
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:17.079
I guess, yeah, I don't
know. I mean, I mean,

500
00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:23.880
you got to pick someone as the
president. Yeah, And sadly, we

501
00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:29.880
do have a third party candidate.
He doesn't really talk quite that well,

502
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:32.880
but he yeah, Oh my god. I wish no, no, no,

503
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:37.679
no, no. RFK Junior,
who is I would say, in

504
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:42.320
a totally different way, just as
insane and unfit as both of the other

505
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:45.159
candidates. But you know, we
do have three people running, and he

506
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:50.199
has pulled pretty well. I don't
know the logistical details of how that'll work

507
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:54.480
out. I believe someone already floated
the idea of RFK Junior replacing Biden for

508
00:39:54.599 --> 00:40:00.239
the Democrats, which would be very
interesting. What happened to Bernie? Uh

509
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:06.440
he just I think he I don't
know. Okay, I'm just speculating.

510
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:09.679
I just don't know what happened to
him. Honestly, he just went away

511
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:14.880
and he's around. He's still saying
things. I actually haven't seen what he

512
00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:17.159
has said about this, but I'm
sure it's more of the usual and that's

513
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:22.679
fine whatever. But if you look
at that guy, who's older than Biden

514
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:25.480
I believe, or maybe close to
his age, still very sharp. You

515
00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:29.599
know, a debate with him and
Trump would have been still two old men,

516
00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:32.039
but at least they would have both
been all there. But I think

517
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:37.159
Bernie might be I don't know,
I'm making a pun burned out. I

518
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:42.280
think he just, you know,
after what happened in twenty sixteen, I'm

519
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:45.039
shocked that he tried to get in
twenty twenty. But after that, like

520
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:49.519
I wouldn't want to run again either, because it's very clear that there was

521
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:52.760
a at least with twenty sixteen,
it's clear there was a very big establishment

522
00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:59.639
push from the party to make sure
he did not get the nomination, and

523
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:06.519
that that strikes me as so demoralizing
that it would be silly to even bother

524
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:07.760
running again. But you know,
I give him credit. He tried again.

525
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:12.239
And he did. Okay, but
I wouldn't, especially at his age,

526
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:15.559
I wouldn't want to try a third
time at this point. I mean,

527
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:16.679
even though he is beloved, but
I think a lot of people have

528
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:21.639
turned on him because he just can't
win. And that's sort of a sad

529
00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:25.440
thing I've come to learn over the
years is that no matter how much you

530
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:29.719
might like somebody as a leader,
if they're a loser, if they're you

531
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:34.840
know, the perennial loser, that
doesn't really endear you. Oh you mean

532
00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:37.880
you mean like the United States Soccer
Federation. Oh okay, listen, listen,

533
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:40.400
you're on thin ice. I'd love
to see you guys try to play

534
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:45.679
some American football. Let's see how
that goes over. No, no thing

535
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:50.079
is no no, just that it's
just you're kind a similar issue with with

536
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:53.639
the Greg Berhalter and and all.
That's how that happened there. Just it

537
00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:57.880
was actually a bit bit relevant there. That is like the weirdest thing because

538
00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:00.519
you know, you had sent me
this article by Neil Ferguson. Oh yeah,

539
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:04.360
but we're all Soviet now and I
we might have to go back to

540
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:07.400
that. There's more to say,
but it's it's a good one. We'll

541
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:13.159
go and analyze this at some point
because it's very long, yes, very

542
00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:19.159
very long. And I didn't feel
like he understood the key was completely genuine

543
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:22.440
about all this stuff, because there
was some things that I could say that

544
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:30.679
not exactly situations are not similar.
However, one thing though about how you

545
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:35.119
know, how how these old men
are are basically dominating the political sphere.

546
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:39.079
That that was true though, and
I feel like like that should be mentioned.

547
00:42:39.159 --> 00:42:43.800
But like in the Soviet Soviet data, the kind of all these we

548
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:49.079
call them stat pie or old tharts. Yeah, And and the thing is

549
00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:58.360
the thing is that they were seen
as necessarily there because they had taken part

550
00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:04.760
in theirlution. They revolutionary credentials,
which meant that they had now you know,

551
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:08.679
had now earned their place to finally
be, you know, out there

552
00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:15.920
with with with others. You know, it was it was finally their turn

553
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:23.440
to to rule, I suppose.
But but but but like you don't like

554
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:29.480
no one in the Sudi, but
like no one in the United States has

555
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:36.920
been even remotely near anything related to
American revolution, you know, right,

556
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:40.679
And in the sense I also get
from what little I know of late Soviet

557
00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:47.679
history is that it wasn't characterized by
violent upheaval until the sort of transition away

558
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:52.679
from the Soviet Union during the eighties, aside from the war in Afghanistan,

559
00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:55.760
it was characterized at least in the
West. So that's why you can probably

560
00:43:55.760 --> 00:44:01.039
correct me on this as just being
a really tired old regime, like you're

561
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:05.320
kind of saying here, and there
wasn't like this sense of doom and gloom

562
00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:07.679
and everybody's saying that we're about to
collapse. We have to do everything we

563
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:14.039
can to prevent that from happening,
which is sort of like the character I

564
00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:19.679
guess of American politics now that feels
very different than the perception, at least

565
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:22.320
that I have of what Soviet politics
were at that time. Maybe if he

566
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:29.280
was making a comparison between like now
in early nineties Russia, it might make

567
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:31.920
a little more sense, But then
so many of the other parallels fall apart

568
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:37.920
at that point because that was like
way more chaotic than what we have now.

569
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:43.800
So I'm getting what you're saying is
that it's an imperfect analogy, and

570
00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:46.960
I'm yeah, I'm agreeing with you
on that. I do really think though,

571
00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:55.719
that his perception as in Neil Ferguson's
perception was much more informed by the

572
00:44:55.760 --> 00:45:00.599
optics and esthetics and tone and vibes. To you gen Z term of the

573
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:06.480
debate between Trump and Biden, it
was just this sort of tired, pathetic

574
00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:10.679
vibe that like kind of made me
feel like from just watching clips of it,

575
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:15.920
that like, what are we doing? Like this is like silly,

576
00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:20.320
this is stupid? Why are we
pretending that this is normal? And you

577
00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:24.960
know, I think this assassination attempt
has totally upended those vibes in a lot

578
00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:30.800
of ways and replaced them with something
else. But there is a sort of

579
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:36.760
sense of malaise I think that was
present there that I think was also present

580
00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:39.079
at least from the outside looking into
the Soviet Union and the late, you

581
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:44.559
know, the later part of its
life. And so I sympathize with the

582
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:52.679
sense with the with the sort of
pessimistic outlook, But I don't think it's

583
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:55.840
very accurate. In that article,
which people should read for themselves, it's

584
00:45:55.840 --> 00:46:00.360
on the Free Press and it's called
We're all Soviets Now, and it's typical

585
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:05.320
Neil Ferguson, It's very uh what
did Joonah Goldberg call it? It like

586
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:10.119
had like a sort of classic sort
of I told you so vibe on it,

587
00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:15.039
which is just classic Ferguson. It's
great, but in that sense,

588
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:17.480
But yeah, it's a pretty weak
comparison. I think. I think we're

589
00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:22.719
in a very different state, especially
now that an attempted assassination has occurred.

590
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:25.920
But I want to ask you while
I have you, was there sort of

591
00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:31.480
a sense of like identity crisis and
urgency with the populace in the Soviet Union

592
00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:35.000
in the eighties, like in the
late era that you know of, or

593
00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:37.880
was it like, was it very
different? There was this I write a

594
00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:40.719
whole article about this when I explained
a lot of this stuff. It's going

595
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:45.639
to be published to per soon.
It's finally finally done. But it was

596
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:50.440
a massive apathy. You felt like
you couldn't do anything at all. There

597
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:53.320
was no sense that something could ever
change, and people were just too busy

598
00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:59.079
dealing with their own everyday stuff basically, And I think that's most Americans,

599
00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:01.079
you know. I think that's kind
of how we are now in that sense.

600
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:06.320
So I guess maybe there is a
comparison in that sense, But there

601
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:10.920
didn't. There wasn't like a threat
of like surges of radicalism out there,

602
00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:15.880
like we remember the Afghanistan war was
going through all the time. Yeah,

603
00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:22.079
so there was that was there?
But was there like an equivalent of Tianeman

604
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:28.639
though square or the uh you know, the upheavals in Eastern Europe as communism

605
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:30.360
collapsed, Like, well, dude, there was this. There was this

606
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:34.119
thing called the Baltic Way. I
hope you've heard of that one. I

607
00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:37.480
believe you have told me about it. But why didn't you remind me that

608
00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:39.559
was the big thing where we in
the Baltics decided that you know, an

609
00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:45.199
office and off and we built the
massive human chain. Oh right, yes,

610
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:50.639
and then you know, that's sort
of how the juss are Well ended

611
00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:52.440
in a way. It was like
saying you can't bully us. It was

612
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:55.000
kind of like we were, yeah, we were getting a bit tired of

613
00:47:55.039 --> 00:48:00.960
all this bullying nonsense. You know, it's kind of silly after some point.

614
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:07.760
Yeah, but just again again,
I just don't What I don't get

615
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:10.800
the most about this is that how
do you even get to your candidates in

616
00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:15.280
this in this way? Like what
what? What? What do you what?

617
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:19.679
What's what's going on here? Why? Why are we like this?

618
00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:22.400
What? What? What led to
this? In the first place, because

619
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:25.119
because you how how do you how
do you pick all of your candidates?

620
00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:29.559
Why why did we end up with
troum prunning against Biden in the first place.

621
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:32.519
That requires somebody more qualified than me
to actually answer it. But I

622
00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:37.119
can give you sort of my pulling
out of my ass answer that I think

623
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:42.760
a lot of American politics is based
on vibes and based on popularity polling,

624
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:52.519
and uh, Americans being very resistant
to unexpected change, and how much that

625
00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:57.360
has to do with larger factors is
hard to say. You can make a

626
00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:00.400
sort of Marxist argument and say that
it's about the stability of the market in

627
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:05.400
place and therefore the stability of the
exploitation of the workers in place. But

628
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:08.119
I don't think it's that simple,
and that's too conspiratorial for my taste.

629
00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:20.280
I think that it has to do
with just Americans being very yeah, there's

630
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:22.800
no other word for it, very
privileged. I think we like where we're

631
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:28.840
at. We don't like things that
upset that sense of balance, and we're

632
00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:32.760
especially sensitive to imbalance. Now after
both the War on well, it really

633
00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:35.960
started with nine to eleven, I'd
say, though I would even argue it

634
00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:39.400
started with Columbine the first major school
shooting, even though there's plenty of shootings

635
00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:43.519
before that, like mass shootings,
but started with Columbine and then nine to

636
00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:51.280
eleven that created this sense of very
dark urgency about forces trying to get us

637
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:53.079
from the outside and forces trying to
get us from the inside, and then

638
00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:57.960
that's what we were always focusing on. And then we saw the boogeyman around

639
00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:05.280
every corner. And then the financial
crisis happened in seven eight, right as

640
00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:08.679
the largest generation in history up until
that point, as in my generation,

641
00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:13.920
was getting out of college, so
that created a lot more uncertainty. So

642
00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:19.840
I think you create this sense of
urgency of fear and uncertainty over a very

643
00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:25.280
long period of time, especially during
the most formative years of tens of millions

644
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:32.159
of people, you're going to basically
get people put in a position where they

645
00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:37.199
will crave as much certainty as possible, and certainty in stability are synonymous in

646
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:43.559
that sense, so we're less likely
to go for candidates that are new and

647
00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:50.039
unproven or untested. I think people
voted for Biden, for example, or

648
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:52.320
I think he was nominated, but
I think people also voted for him for

649
00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:55.760
the same reason which is okay.
So Trump was weird to say the least.

650
00:50:57.159 --> 00:51:00.920
He caused a lot of chaos just
by existing. Whether that's fair or

651
00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:06.679
not is I think irrelevant because that's
what happened. And I think because of

652
00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:09.760
that, that's how we landed with
Biden, and because we have this tendency

653
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:14.760
to try to keep things as stable
and certain as possible, people didn't want

654
00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:20.000
to put their faith in you know, phonies like Ron DeSantis or Vivek Ramaswami.

655
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:22.800
And I'm saying phony's in air quotes
there. I mean, I do

656
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:24.440
think they were kind of phony.
I think Trump is much more genuine.

657
00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:28.639
Find it I find it funny that
you have a candidate's named the VVEC because

658
00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:32.480
that reminds me of video game.
Yeah exactly. Vivick was interesting and compelling

659
00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:36.320
for about five seconds and then he
just started trying to be a mini Trump

660
00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:38.280
and it was just depressing. But
yeah, that's my point is that,

661
00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:40.719
like we had these new candidates,
one of them, Vivek, was a

662
00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:44.840
millennial. That would have been really
interesting. He's only like two years older

663
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:46.960
than me. And you know,
with with Biden, it's like, well,

664
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:51.039
he was the guy who beat the
you know, the wild card before

665
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:53.920
and now the wildcard's the only one
left. Well, maybe we should stick

666
00:51:53.960 --> 00:51:58.400
with the guy that we're sure could
beat him, instead of thinking about things

667
00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:01.039
from a sort of like dated ay
perspon active. We had a chance,

668
00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:05.559
and I think the chance was missed
a long time ago to replace Biden in

669
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:09.800
a way that isn't going to feel
desperate empathetic. And I think it's because

670
00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:13.719
though, to go back to your
original question, why do we have these

671
00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:17.480
candidates? Because I think Americans don't
like instability as much as we are an

672
00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:22.519
unstable, chaotic wild west of a
country. Like I think we we pride

673
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:27.760
ourselves in this sense of stability.
Whether it's real or not by the standards

674
00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:30.280
of other cultures, I don't know, but I'm saying that's what I think

675
00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:35.000
people want. Stability. It's kind
of it's always elusive, isn't it,

676
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:38.159
because like stability is of any Russian
term. I've always I've always been saying

677
00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:43.199
that that you guys are are way
way closer to Eastern Europeans and than you

678
00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:46.480
are to Western Europeans because stabilis and
the stability is why why O Pudent's going

679
00:52:46.519 --> 00:52:49.559
on? He just says, but
do you want it to be like in

680
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:52.000
the nineties, all the time,
all the heyoss, but sometimes you have

681
00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:55.400
to go through, you know,
stop less like in the nineties and everything.

682
00:52:57.039 --> 00:53:00.440
And also also weirdly enough, is
the fact that that, uh,

683
00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:05.320
this affects us as well. It's
not just the United States, because for

684
00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:08.559
one, in Georgia, if you've
heard about if you've heard how they had

685
00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:14.119
this their own like Russian law thing
about foreign agents and everything massive produce there.

686
00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:17.480
Well, the majority leader who ran
all this all this stuff, he

687
00:53:17.519 --> 00:53:22.360
already is using the assassination for their
own political motives and everything. Hmmm,

688
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:27.599
well, can't say I'm surprised.
Yeah, I mean, well I brought

689
00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:30.800
this up before we were recording that. I mean Americans are doing this too,

690
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:32.559
like the ones who have pet causes
that have nothing to do with what

691
00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:36.719
just happened, they'll make it about
what just happened. And I sort of

692
00:53:36.719 --> 00:53:39.119
see that as like even though it
is more you could make the argument it's

693
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:43.320
more directly right. But look,
look, you'd recognize something, you would

694
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:46.480
recognize something because I'm reading from from
uh the Georgia, Georgia and the public

695
00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:54.679
broadcasting quote. His name is Mamuka
midaa study, and he wrote quote in

696
00:53:54.719 --> 00:53:59.880
social media posts, shocking, outrageous, and alarming an attack on the presidential

697
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:04.719
and the killing him in a cornerstone
country of democracy. Then he went on

698
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:07.920
to the now as the attack as
a tactic of what he termed the global

699
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:12.559
war Party and liberal fascism characterized by
political violence, assasination, attempt, subversive

700
00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:15.960
actions, and propaganda. Nothing to
do with any of those things, I

701
00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:20.119
mean it. It has to do
with the person who did it and why

702
00:54:20.159 --> 00:54:22.360
he wanted to do it, And
we don't know why that is yet.

703
00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:27.639
Maybe he will have a manifesto that
says I am a global globalist liberal fascist

704
00:54:27.679 --> 00:54:30.800
and I and I need to stop
Donald Trump from existing because you know that

705
00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:37.199
goes against my globalist liberal fascist plans. But it really seems to me that

706
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:43.719
these people, you know, they're
they're they're the auditory of Duggan, you

707
00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:46.360
know, like like this, this
is this is the people. These are

708
00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:50.519
the kind of people from Dugan.
Actually rights I suppose, mm hmm,

709
00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:54.559
well it's it's again. It's it
is that desire stability that the conspiracy theorist

710
00:54:55.559 --> 00:55:01.360
is not unhinged in the sense that
they just believe in this swirl of chaos

711
00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:06.639
that you know can't be controlled.
They believe in a very ordered world.

712
00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:09.000
Like that's the key thing about conspiracy
theories. I don't think I've ever heard

713
00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:16.400
of conspiracy theory about things being completely
chaotic and uncontrolled and everything is just randomized.

714
00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:20.079
Like I've never heard that. Now. I'd love to be pointed to

715
00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:22.360
that, because'd be really interesting.
But the common threat of conspiracy theories,

716
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:25.280
and I'm not the first person to
say this, this is a very unoriginal

717
00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:31.000
thought, is that it's all about
putting this locus of control on the parts

718
00:55:31.079 --> 00:55:36.280
of existence that are out of our
control. And I mean, why do

719
00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:39.079
you think flat earth actually some of
people take seriously is because when you actually

720
00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:43.480
start thinking about the implications of being
on a floating ball in space, that

721
00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:47.599
is an insignificant spec in the greater
galactic neighborhood. Basically, saying you have

722
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:54.320
a flat earth is proof of a
grand design that overrides that horrifying existential randomness.

723
00:55:54.719 --> 00:55:58.199
Oh well, look, look,
look, look, I was bought

724
00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:04.360
in the Soviet Union. Doesn't be
voted this solution existential nah, does not

725
00:56:04.440 --> 00:56:08.679
concern me. Iut and enjoyed reading
Lovecraft. It's fun. Yeah, well,

726
00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:12.079
yeah, And that's what I'm saying
is like, I think Americans are

727
00:56:12.119 --> 00:56:17.280
kind of in a position where,
like they crave stability because we're so privileged.

728
00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:22.239
We're in this state where even the
slightest nudge feels like instability. But

729
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:25.639
this is stupid, because think about
this, Think about this. Okay,

730
00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:30.840
Okay, I'm in a position where
I go to all sorts of violent places,

731
00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:34.840
right, but right there's been plenty
of weird stuff happening in the States.

732
00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:37.360
You should be used to this by
now. I mean, I'm agreeing

733
00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:40.000
with you. Here's the thing I
agree with you. I'm just trying to

734
00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:44.000
explain what I think is going on
through the heads of a lot of Americans

735
00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:47.800
because you know, granted, I'm
coming from the place of somebody who also

736
00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:52.159
has dealt with crippling and existential anxiety
for much of his life and has learned

737
00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:55.320
to deal with it in various ways, some healthy, some not. And

738
00:56:57.000 --> 00:57:00.400
I really do think that a lot
of people experience those same things, but

739
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:05.639
their way of dealing with it they
filter it through different like avenues, and

740
00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:08.159
now, especially with the decline of
you know, religion and so forth,

741
00:57:08.239 --> 00:57:13.679
politics becomes a viable alternative, and
that leads to conspiratorial thinking. And I

742
00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:15.920
think you know, but it's not
even just about politics. It's about everyday

743
00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:20.639
life. And again I think,
like when you are hyper sensitive to change

744
00:57:20.679 --> 00:57:23.719
because so much has happened that's made
things so uncertain, the slightest nudge,

745
00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:27.360
like I was saying, is going
to make you feel like you're about to

746
00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:30.559
teeter over the edge of a cliff
and looking for any kind of stability,

747
00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:34.400
whatever it might be. It doesn't
matter if it has nothing to do with

748
00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:38.079
what's making you anxious or scared.
You're looking for the anchor to grab onto.

749
00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:40.440
That that's what it is. Will
I will know. I will now

750
00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:45.280
appear extremely smart and culturally knowing to
your listeners and my listeners as well.

751
00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:50.360
This reminds me of an episode because
like, since we returned from Texas,

752
00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:52.599
we've been watching King of the Hell. Oh yes we really, we really

753
00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:57.039
enjoy that show with that because now
we've seen a bunch of the cultural stop

754
00:57:57.079 --> 00:58:01.039
and everything. But there there was
an episode there which was which I enjoyed

755
00:58:01.079 --> 00:58:07.760
thoroughly. It was all about why
two Okay, why two? K?

756
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:09.400
Yeah? Wow you take me back? No, no, no, it

757
00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:14.199
was it was all about why do
kay? And the whole thing. The

758
00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:20.400
idea was that like Hank was trying
to calm everyone down, but it didn't

759
00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:23.599
really work out that well because you
know, everyone around those Kim was hoarding

760
00:58:23.639 --> 00:58:27.039
and it was like a bunch of
mess. And then he started doing his

761
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:32.760
own weird things still because of this, because because he couldn't accept the fact

762
00:58:32.840 --> 00:58:37.639
that things could get more chaotic,
so he had to like react to all

763
00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:42.360
this stuff. I mean, and
this is this is one of the things

764
00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:45.800
where where stoicism has really helped me
in the store philosophy, the real one.

765
00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:52.320
Not not that Andrew t right,
but stoic he does that he does

766
00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:57.320
and they fuck him. But the
thing is, did you should like right

767
00:58:57.360 --> 00:59:01.119
now, the situation will be chaotic
and weird, but always just learn to

768
00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:06.519
accept things as they are given and
solve the real issues because because a lot

769
00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:09.119
of problems, a lot of problems
happen when we try to solve the wrong

770
00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:13.880
the wrong issues. Basically, Latian
government, for example, trust to just

771
00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:19.119
ban everything all the time and look
even even like even even in your private

772
00:59:19.159 --> 00:59:22.000
life. I mean. European policy
though is like we don't like it,

773
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:24.880
let's ban it, Whereas the Americans
are like we don't like it, so

774
00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:30.039
we're just gonna complain about it non
stuff. Yeah, but basically your idea

775
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:34.760
is that, you know, we
like to pretend. Look, if you

776
00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:38.119
want to pretend that everything's fine and
if you want stability, then by not

777
00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:42.880
accepting the fact that things are chaotic
now not dealing with the real issues,

778
00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:47.719
you're just making it worse. I
was talking to my brother in law about

779
00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:53.960
this recently because we're He didn't like
the framing that he's heard people say,

780
00:59:54.199 --> 00:59:59.000
which is you're going to go through
life and you're going to experience failure and

781
00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:01.159
it's going to be and then you're
gonna learn to deal with it. And

782
01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:05.800
I understand what he's saying, but
what I explained to him was what that

783
01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:10.039
really means is like, the real
takeaway is you're going to experience failure because

784
01:00:10.039 --> 01:00:15.199
failure is inevitable. No one is
one hundred percent successful. It's literally never

785
01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:20.360
happened. There's always going to be
failure unless you well, yes that that

786
01:00:20.360 --> 01:00:23.199
that is the one that's that's that's
just a stupid meme, but exactly a

787
01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:27.639
very it's I think that meme is
so dated that it's actually classic now.

788
01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:30.679
I think it's I think it's acceptable. It's sort of like making Austin Powers

789
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:34.480
references. Now, Uh, you
can do that again. I think you

790
01:00:34.519 --> 01:00:37.320
can. I think Borat, it's
a little soon. Got to give another

791
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:38.519
couple of years and it will be
twenty years and then we can do it

792
01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:43.880
again. But my point is that
you're going to experience failure no matter who

793
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:46.039
you are, unless you're Truck Norris, throughout your life. The thing is,

794
01:00:46.599 --> 01:00:50.960
most of those failures are not going
to be catastrophic. Most failures are

795
01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:53.159
actually pretty mundane and pretty mild that
you can bounce back from them. And

796
01:00:53.199 --> 01:00:58.480
then the more you bounce back from
the small failures, the better suited you're

797
01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:00.280
going to be for the large ones. Yeah, as rare as they are.

798
01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:04.440
And sometimes you might never experience any
large failure, but you probably will

799
01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:07.559
because you know, we all die. We sound like Joe Rogan, but

800
01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:12.239
better right now, I have to
agree with you there, because for one,

801
01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:15.000
what else, what else are you
gonna do? Like there, there's

802
01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:19.760
they're gonna be. There's gonna be
bad stuff happening no matter what you kind

803
01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:23.159
of avoid it. And the thing
is, like I said, people just

804
01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:28.679
tend to worry about everything all at
once, which is I think a wrong,

805
01:01:29.440 --> 01:01:34.320
wrong take, like when when I
see that my wife's she's by the

806
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:37.159
way, really tired because she's now
getting just her work at the zoo and

807
01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:40.400
you know, with messy. But
I tell people that all the time,

808
01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:45.639
like if you if you just sit
and worry about what's what's gonna happen,

809
01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:50.440
then you're not going to solve anything. Nothing's gonna you know, move or

810
01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:55.360
change. Just that you have to
accept things as well as they are really

811
01:01:57.280 --> 01:02:00.880
and after that, after that you
can like start to focus on, well,

812
01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:05.679
what's really an issue. You know. There's a great meme that I

813
01:02:05.719 --> 01:02:07.679
saw up here on Instagram, but
I think it's been on TikTok. It's

814
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:10.920
all over the place, and it's
of the great comedian Bill Burr and he

815
01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:14.960
was on I think he was on
Tim Ferriss's podcast, and it's just like

816
01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:19.440
ten seconds long of him just saying, you're gonna be fine, and what's

817
01:02:19.440 --> 01:02:22.199
the point of worrying about not being
fine when you can just focus on being

818
01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:25.800
you know, being here. Now
it's better than I'm butchering it, and

819
01:02:25.840 --> 01:02:29.639
so I'll probably have to find it, maybe put it in in the episode

820
01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:31.920
when we're done. Recording or something. But he's basically saying, what's the

821
01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:37.360
use of ruining right now worrying about
not being fine, because you'll deal with

822
01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:40.000
it later when you're not fine.
And I think that's the that is sort

823
01:02:40.039 --> 01:02:44.199
of like the from what I understand, that is sort of the stoic philosophy.

824
01:02:44.480 --> 01:02:45.800
Yeah, And the thing is,
the thing is that a lot of

825
01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:52.079
people when they when you are in
a weird position of stress and trouble around

826
01:02:52.159 --> 01:02:54.840
you, a lot of people like
this just sit down and worry. Meanwhile,

827
01:02:54.880 --> 01:02:59.000
you could be like splitting it up
into tiny solvable problems and solving them

828
01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:00.400
one by one, and you will
be able to solve everything. But at

829
01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:06.519
least it's doing something that's productive because
because because most part, most part what

830
01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:10.800
people are afraid of as sort of
this inability to yield to cope with issues,

831
01:03:12.159 --> 01:03:14.880
because everything, because everything usually happens
all at once, sin it seems

832
01:03:14.920 --> 01:03:16.400
so big and so audible, and
I don't want to open up a can

833
01:03:16.400 --> 01:03:20.400
of worms. But I also think
that another reason a lot of Americans at

834
01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:25.880
least latch onto things like this,
like existential threats to our polity that kind

835
01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:30.960
of thing, is because that doesn't
really require you to take all that much

836
01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:36.519
responsibility because we all recognize that the
health of the nation or you know,

837
01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:38.719
all that can't be fixed by one
person. I think we all kind of

838
01:03:38.760 --> 01:03:42.960
know that. Yeah, but you
also are pretty strong. I mean,

839
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:45.239
like I said, that was in
the previous one. I've lost that part.

840
01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:50.599
But there was this pro z guy. Uh, I'll just try to

841
01:03:50.719 --> 01:03:53.159
find the name. Oh, I
can't really get it. I think there

842
01:03:53.239 --> 01:03:57.920
was MIDVIDIAV. Not no relation to
that ex president Atvejiev, but uh,

843
01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:00.800
all exanthan Dvegia, if I remember, and he wrote about how you know

844
01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:05.039
everything in the United States that not
like having a haudible president is going to

845
01:04:05.159 --> 01:04:11.199
destroy the United States. It's just
impossible. So look, if pro Kremlin

846
01:04:11.320 --> 01:04:15.559
guys are doing like saying that,
you know, they should be worried more

847
01:04:15.639 --> 01:04:21.719
because what if evil Americans right then
just you'll be fine, You'll manage.

848
01:04:23.159 --> 01:04:27.840
I think so too. I mean, I don't have I don't harbor illusions

849
01:04:27.880 --> 01:04:31.280
as they say about things just being
rosy. I think that we are in

850
01:04:31.440 --> 01:04:36.639
for more violence, just because I
think it's a better bet to make.

851
01:04:39.800 --> 01:04:44.199
But I don't think we're heading headlong
into civil war because I don't think we

852
01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:46.599
can have a civil war like the
one we had before because we're not neatly

853
01:04:46.639 --> 01:04:51.119
divided along territorial lines that way.
Look, one important thing is also that

854
01:04:51.159 --> 01:04:57.480
you're not alone, right because because
again we spoke about marcute and well I

855
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:04.480
Marta, the new General Secretary of
NATO, and my friend here you knows

856
01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:09.960
a lot about foreign foreign politics.
He said that his nickname is Trump whisper.

857
01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:15.920
People are we're preparing for this,
We're preparing for possible Trump presidency and

858
01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:20.639
the well, everything that you know
is likely to happen with us. With

859
01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:24.360
that, you mean, you're not
running around with your heads cut off like

860
01:05:24.400 --> 01:05:27.079
a chicken and just being like,
oh no, America is going to become

861
01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:30.960
a fascist dictatorship. You're actually thinking
about this practically and pragmatically, like let's

862
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:34.119
deal with this as it comes and
will worry about the implications later. If

863
01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:38.920
there are any dude, we not
like we not like we in the you

864
01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:41.639
have any choice in the matter,
really, like, what else are we

865
01:05:41.679 --> 01:05:45.000
supposed to do? Right? And
that's okay? See, I guess maybe

866
01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:48.079
that's my attitude why people get mad
at me, especially my more like I

867
01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:54.320
guess you could say typical normy democratic
friends and family get mad at me for

868
01:05:54.360 --> 01:05:56.280
this, where they're like, how
are you so sanguine? I'm like,

869
01:05:56.760 --> 01:06:00.960
because it can't. You can do
your best, but you can't do anything

870
01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:04.519
about it. Like just sometimes crappy
people get elected into office. That's just

871
01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:08.679
what happens. It's always been that
way. Do we think that Trump is

872
01:06:08.760 --> 01:06:14.280
uniquely bad in some grand two hundred
and fifty year time scale. I'm not

873
01:06:14.320 --> 01:06:17.079
willing to say that because I don't
know. I honestly do not know,

874
01:06:17.119 --> 01:06:20.079
and I'm not going to pretend like
I know. And if I don't know,

875
01:06:20.199 --> 01:06:25.239
somebody who spends way too much time
reading about history and weird, obscure

876
01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:29.679
quarters of it, I don't think
the average person knows either. I'm just

877
01:06:29.719 --> 01:06:31.960
gonna be that arrogant and just say
it because I don't. That's what bothers

878
01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:35.800
me. I think so much about
the existential framing that I brought up earlier.

879
01:06:36.320 --> 01:06:42.199
Huh, well, to see,
Trump might might not be the best

880
01:06:42.239 --> 01:06:46.880
president ever, but you know it
could be worse, like do what was

881
01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:51.119
his name? Don Quayle, can't
spell potato? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

882
01:06:51.199 --> 01:06:56.039
yeah, I mean there's so many
other scenarios that are worse. I

883
01:06:56.119 --> 01:07:00.920
have a very good. I just
remember a little solution thing here. Then

884
01:07:00.920 --> 01:07:05.199
we spoke about remember about the whole
safety procedures From this, I think the

885
01:07:06.159 --> 01:07:11.440
Soviet man who saved the world up
something but Chernobyl but Chernobyle about how the

886
01:07:11.440 --> 01:07:16.239
Soviet Union worked. See, Soviets
saved time on safety measures in the sense

887
01:07:16.400 --> 01:07:21.320
that they would not they would not
prepare for the stuff that was like super

888
01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:26.880
likely to actually happen. Like they
prepared for the stuff that happened ninety eight

889
01:07:26.920 --> 01:07:30.199
percent of the time, but did
nothing for the stuff that would be,

890
01:07:30.280 --> 01:07:33.239
you know, out there one percent
of the time. And the problem is

891
01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:35.599
the stuff that happened one percent of
the time. Yeah, it also sometimes

892
01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:42.480
happens. And I think that you
guys were so just for some reason,

893
01:07:42.559 --> 01:07:48.599
so used to normalcy you sort of
forgot that this lost one percent also can

894
01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:54.199
exist because I don't I don't see
any reason why why you but you should

895
01:07:54.239 --> 01:07:58.239
totally be all doing gloom all the
time. Okay, maybe maybe maybe maybe

896
01:07:58.239 --> 01:08:02.519
one reason maybe one one isn't.
It's very hard to buy good Latvian beer

897
01:08:02.599 --> 01:08:08.480
in the United States unless you live
in Chicago. I would I would assume

898
01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:13.480
that it's probably true. Look,
look and in a way. My last

899
01:08:13.519 --> 01:08:16.279
words here is going to be like
a member of the time when the guy

900
01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:20.680
was who leaked like secret tag documents
on war Thunder, this coord because he

901
01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:25.800
was like proving that it didn't.
This is the same starting, this is

902
01:08:25.840 --> 01:08:30.720
the same stuff. Basically, it's
it's exactly the same thing in a way.

903
01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:33.000
But yeah, he was also like
no, no, no, you're

904
01:08:33.039 --> 01:08:36.279
you're you're wrong. Let me let
me prove it to you. Well he

905
01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:42.640
well he did, and then everyone
was freaking out because wait, people just

906
01:08:42.680 --> 01:08:47.399
got confused. But that's that's how
it is. That's that's normal, normal

907
01:08:47.479 --> 01:08:50.479
in the sense that you're gonna have
to you you would have to deal with

908
01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:57.840
this anyway. So and this stuff
it's weird and and and strange, but

909
01:08:57.920 --> 01:09:01.000
these things do happen sometimes. Mm
hmm. Stop do be like that.

910
01:09:01.199 --> 01:09:04.279
Okay, stuff to be like that. And it's been like that in our

911
01:09:04.359 --> 01:09:09.600
lifetimes. I mean, there have
been assassination attempts altern in American history.

912
01:09:09.720 --> 01:09:12.840
That's that's kind of that's kind of
my thing that you know, it's kind

913
01:09:12.840 --> 01:09:16.079
of like you notice when when people
court like younger start throwing out me they

914
01:09:16.079 --> 01:09:19.720
were funny when you were like a
kid that comes back a circle. But

915
01:09:19.760 --> 01:09:24.600
it happens like every time this happens. It's a shock and it's caught a

916
01:09:24.680 --> 01:09:30.600
ball. But just take any breath, take a look back, and remember

917
01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:35.399
that this isn't the first time.
This is literally you've got and now we

918
01:09:35.479 --> 01:09:41.800
know for assassinated the presidents. Mm
hmm. This is just an attempt send

919
01:09:41.840 --> 01:09:45.760
him to a therapist to get better
candidates. I don't know polarization has been

920
01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:50.359
this bad, if not worse before, it really has. The seventies come

921
01:09:50.359 --> 01:09:55.279
to mind, but you know,
obviously the eighteen fifties and eighteen sixties.

922
01:09:55.680 --> 01:09:59.119
That's why I refer to, you
know, the worst case scenario being members

923
01:09:59.119 --> 01:10:00.800
of Congress assaulting each other on the
floor. That's when you got to be

924
01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:05.760
worried because that was what happened before
the last time we actually had a proper

925
01:10:05.800 --> 01:10:10.560
civil war here. Oh well,
that was that was that was that was

926
01:10:10.600 --> 01:10:15.079
back then. I've seen I've seen
people in Moldova and Parliament do that like

927
01:10:15.239 --> 01:10:17.840
a month ago. Well, I
think that happiness is mandatory in this case,

928
01:10:17.920 --> 01:10:23.079
because it should be. I'd like
it to be. So I'll let

929
01:10:23.079 --> 01:10:27.760
you close us out by giving us
that. And of course the trademark post

930
01:10:27.840 --> 01:10:34.359
Vidania shed Remember happiness is mandatory,
And thank you Alex for having the talk

931
01:10:34.680 --> 01:10:39.960
and okay we got to and once
again, once again, Dugan sneaks in

932
01:10:40.119 --> 01:10:43.520
everything. I think he'll sneak in
every every single time. Thanks a lot,

933
01:10:43.560 --> 01:10:46.000
man. You gotta be fine even
if you're not gonna be fine.

934
01:10:46.039 --> 01:10:50.079
Isn't it better to just exist thinking
you're gonna be fine until it's not fine,

935
01:10:50.159 --> 01:10:53.279
and then when it's not fine,
then you can just fucking handle it.

936
01:10:53.319 --> 01:10:55.720
Then that's no sense of ruin right
now, right