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Everything is just a lot different now
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for women and the way that we're
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this pressure of getting stuff done and
nips and tucks and here and there,

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and there is no such thing as
aging gracefully anymore. You hear it from

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all the Hollywood actresses who as soon
as they hit their fifties, they are

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like, I am so tired of
being objectified, even though that's how they

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made their entire careers. Okay,
So I talked to you earlier today,

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and then when we were talking about
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you know what, we should do
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it's because Candice Owens tweeted out a
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the last twenty four hours or so. She tweeted out a question to men,

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and it was about botox and whether
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use botox or fillers or have those
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she wrote, and I quote serious
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the botox slash filler fake lips look
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relationships with girls that look that way? Male opinions only. Please, I'm

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working on a show about social media
mutating our appetites. Please retweet. So

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she was not prepared for the controversy
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Yeah, that soud, that's kind
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at her. Men were like,
what did men say? Did men?

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Overwhelmingly they said, we prefer natural, the natural look on women. In

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fact, there were so many men
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but so many of them were like, I don't even like it when my

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wife or girlfriend wears makeup, let
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botoxy look. But then a lot
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you don't know what natural is these
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come home and they'll have botox and
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in their face, and men have
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and they think that that's natural.
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but they may have all this other
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may have these fake lips or whatever, and men are like, that's naturrue,

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and they don't know. They just
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see that when it's like a I
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relationship and you're meeting someone that looks
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you fall in love. But like, you know, if I were to

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all of a sudden get lip filler, my husband would definitely notice. And

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I'm like, what the hell?
Yeah, my husband would know too.

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My husband would know if I used
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would know. He would be like, what are you doing to your face?

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What's going on with your face?
Why are you screaming with your face?

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What's going on there? What'd you
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I would hope that they would be
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they would know. So that's interesting. But I think it's also very interesting

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that women are super defensive about it. But then again, we're in a

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culture now where I can see where
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about it because women our age are
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don't really I don't think we fall
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to look like we're twenty five,
because we don't look, I don't look

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like I'm twenty five. I mean, I just don't look like I'm twenty

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five. But there are a lot
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you have to look like you're twenty
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you're twenty five years old. And
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lot about the eighties and what it
was like when you and I were growing

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up. And I used to babysit
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back in high school. And if
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on Friday nights, and I loved, love, love that show. And

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all four of those women who are
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their fifties, which is mind blowing, mind blowing because they all looked so

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old. They did, and they
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at them now. They kind of
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kind of Grandma. Don't you think
they look at Grandma? So like Rose

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at the start, she was This
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Rose was supposed to be fifty five. Rose and Island was supposed to be

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fifty five Dorothy was supposed to be
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the one played by my that's Blanche, yeah, like that's I'm sorry,

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not Blanche. I'm sorry, that's
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one, the tall one, yeah
mo yeah, mad, the big one,

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Blanche, who is the kind of
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there. She also was supposed to
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it. Fifty three is nuts,
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She was actually a year younger than
beat Arthur and she was playing a seventy

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nine year old on the show.
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like all three of those women,
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they're all playing women in their fifties, but they were I think they actually

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Rose and Dorothy were both sixty three
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ten years younger, which would never
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would happen today. And so again
that's like how times have changed. They

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are playing women that were younger,
which would never happen. And then Blanche,

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the slutty one. Rue McClanahan was
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year old so she was her age, and so she I think she kind

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of probably look the most her age
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at those women and I think,
okay, well, none of them have

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fillers or botox or stuff shoved in
their faces. They didn't have, you

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know, all the weird life of
suction and have all the plastic surgery.

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that's what we were used to.
Our generation was used to that. This

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generation is not used to that.
No, they don't. And that's why

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when you put a picture of the
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next to the Golden Girls and think
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same age, it is a complete
mind screw. It is a complete mind

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screw. Yeah, and those women
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get rid. Yeah, maybe with
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exception of Cynthia Nixon. I mean
maybe I don't know. Well, okay,

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maybe I don't even it's hard to
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the women's point who responded to Canvas, Well, it's funny about the Candace

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always tweet is that botox. The
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She has an enormous following and people
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And because there became this controversy and
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where a lesbian got mad that she
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attracted to women with botox and fillers, and Candace was like, calmed down,

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I can ask it a question to
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She can't do that. I mean, somebody has to be offended.

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There has to be somebody somewhere that's
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does it like a tree falling in
the forest, Like if nobody's around to

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hear it, does it? Does
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It's like, somebody has to be
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Oh my god. But that it
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changing just the way that women age
differently now, and that's just what in

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twenty five thirty years, what's it
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thirty years, are fifty two fifty
three ye old women going to have to

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look like twenty year old? Well? I feel like in many ways,

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there's there's already pressure, right.
You hear it from all the Hollywood actresses

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who as soon as they hit their
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so tired of being objectified, even
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Yea. And then they get all
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is no longer as interested in them, and that's just that's they knew that

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going in. That's what always makes
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like, now that I've made all
my money, I'm going to bitch about

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how I made it. It's true. But you also see on the flip

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side too, you also see like
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women out there too, like having
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years ago, I remember looking a
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just in celebrity circles and stuff like
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they snapped. You got to snap
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got to be back to your pre
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supermodel in three This is it used
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to not be that way. You
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Everything is just a lot different now
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for women and the way that we're
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this pressure of getting stuff done and
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You can't and there is no such
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you age gracefully, it's it's an
anomaly. You're you're kind of different.

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You're seen as different, that is
unique and different and kind of weird.

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You're original, You're very very unique
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me because that used to be the
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think about, like, you know, especially doing what we do right,

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Like if either one of us were
to all of a sudden get something done

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to our faces, if we were
going to do some tough of a facelift,

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yeah or whatever, if we started
injecting a bunch of crap into our

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faces, people would see that as
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I always you know, the other
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Is all the filters, right,
Like, so anything that you see

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on social media, you don't even
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the time. And so I guess
my goal. I want to look good

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for my age, and I also
don't want to meet someone in person and

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have my appearance to them be a
shock because it's different from what they see

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on video every morning. Do you
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know how to do that to somebody. I know exactly what you mean.

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And that happens a lot where you
see somebody in person, like because we've

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met people in circles like this,
like conservative circles, celebrity circles, stuff

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like that, or then you see
them in person you're like, oh my

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gosh, yeah, yeah, what
I thought they would look like, Oh

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my gosh, there's a lot of
glue holding that together and spackle. And

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see all you and I do is
we rely on genusel. Is this a

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good time to remind everybody of the
fantastic bilber bit about plastic surgery and why

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grips should avoid it. So we've
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a much longer thing and we don't
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But I thought we're just gonna get
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is I mean and his delivery is
everything right. So if you've never listened

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to Bilburg or the comic you're about
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one. I gotta admit, the
only thing that freaks me out about Los

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Angeles is all the plastic surgery.
I don't get it. Why do people

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get plastic surgery? You know,
why can't you just admit it's over?

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You know you had your time.
Stop trying to look well in your fifties.

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Weird foot their faces, yank back, looking all shiny right, not

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to mention they haven't even figured it
out. You know, why would you

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get a facelift? Can't you look
at other facelifts and realize they haven't worked

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all the bugs out yet. That's
what you want to look like like you

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just lost a fight three days ago. Don't be a hero. Let somebody

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else go in there, take the
beach, you lay back. It's so

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funny. As I saw this woman, I was at a swim meet.

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This was probably two months ago,
and I went to a swim meet and

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I sat down, and you know, you're there for like the whole day.

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You're at a swim meet for a
long time. You better settle the

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freak in. Okay, So this
woman sits in front of me with her

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husband, who is notably older than
her, And she had fake a fake

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butt, And I have never seen
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I haven't. I don't think so
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I should have taken a picture for
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there was so many people around me
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picture of this woman's ass, people
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I'm the crazy one, when she, in fact was the crazy one for

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having the fake ass. Yeah,
And it was a sight to hold mock.

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It was like it was so perfectly
bulbous and like she had and she

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had all the other fake stuff too, Like her face was all fake,

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and she had the fake boobs,
and she had everything. Everything about this

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woman was fake. There was not
a real thing on this woman. Everything

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was bought and paid for. But
her butt was like I don't even know

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how they do it, what they
do, I don't know the procedure to

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get this done. But it was
a fake but and she could barely sit

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on it. Well, I was
gonna say, how do you even recover?

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That? Is the thing like that. The thing that I kept thinking

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was she's gonna have to sit here
for like six hours during this swim meet,

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which is uncomfortable enough on these steel
seats anyway, and she's gonna have

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to sit on a fake butt the
whole day. What is that like?

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Like that's commitment, That is commitment
to vanity? Yeah, right, when

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you're sitting on I don't even know
what what? What is that? What

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is? I think they take fat
from other places in your body? Right,

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So maybe she is, maybe she's
better off than me. Maybe she

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can't feel it. I don't know. Maybe I don't know. I could

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be completely wrong and it might be
some sort of implant. I have no

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idea. I really do craziness that
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we shouldn't judge, but I kind
of am, because God, that's just

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brutal. It was nots but I
mean not to defend it, because it's

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completely whack. But to Bill Burr's
point, at least it's a part of

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the body that you can cover.
His point in this next clip is that

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you should never work with your face. No, you don't with your face.

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Okay, I understand lightful suction.
They screw that up. You can

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put on a shark, right,
there's no shark for your face. Who

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do. They think they're fooling,
but they're still quick, you know.

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And then you lie to yourself,
I'm just gonna do it. You're gonna

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do this, just gonna just gonna
just gonna have this done. Now you're

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not, You're not. You're just
gonna wax the or in your car.

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Then that's it, and the rest
of it looks all shitty. Well,

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maybe i'd just do the head and
maybe I'll do the back. That's how

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happens. Then you look like one
of those real housewivesly face, all twisted

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up. Fucking idiots anyway, look
bad idiots. Dude, look like I'm

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in my twenties. Now you look
weird. You look weird. You still

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look like you're in your fifties.
I just can't guess what year anymore because

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I've never seen that year. I've
never seen that shiny look. It's almost

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like you discovered a new age between
fifty two and fifty three. Yeah,

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people, there's nothing wrong with being
fifty two and looking fifty two. All

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right, you're fifty two. You
didn't get sick. Yeah, what would

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you rather be fifty two and look
fifty two or be fifty two and look

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like a twenty eight year old lizard
cat old catwoman with cat with this bulbous,

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giant ass right sitting at a swimmy
looking ridiculous. I don't understand it.

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Can we normalize that again? Can
we normalize being fifty two? Yeah?

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What I want to normalize. Everybody's
talking about normalizing styles, normalize,

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normal line, the normal line.
Can we normalize just being aging? That's

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normalized aging again? Can we can
we just do that? Please? Let's

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make aging awesome again. Let's do
that because it's kind of great. Mag

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I think it's great. Make aging
great again. Magah, that's what it

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is. It is kind of grimulous, and there there are some really bad

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things that come with it, like
not remembering why you went in the kitchen.

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Oh my god, that's the worst. That is the worst. And

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not knowing where your keys are and
there's and just being generally annoyed by the

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generations that come after you. I
basically hate everybody that's younger than me.

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And that's okay. I think that's
just part of the deal. But all

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the other stuff, like age is
actually not that terrible. I think the

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alternative is way worse. You are
absolutely right, mock, and so I

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think we should. We should make
aging great again. We really should because

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you absolutely, we absolutely all should. There shouldn't be this much pressure to

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be smooth faced and and you know
what I mean, like, aside from

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just regular skincare, please stop injecting
things. Just don't inject and fill and

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poof and you look good girl.
Well it's Jeni Zel and the same right

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back at joke
