WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.000 --> 00:00:06.679 Steve Rivera and Jacin Salas. They have their Eye on the Ball on Tucson 2 00:00:06.879 --> 00:00:11.599 Sports stage. Chef Fox Sports fourteen fifty, Hey, welcome back to on 3 00:00:11.759 --> 00:00:15.039 the ball here Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve, you're Jay got Quin 4 00:00:15.160 --> 00:00:18.399 with us and you have breaking news from you, they says, Eye on 5 00:00:18.480 --> 00:00:25.079 the Ball, breaking news on Fox Sports fourteen to fifty. All right, 6 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:28.879 here we go. A lot of stuff, a lot of transfer portal news. 7 00:00:28.920 --> 00:00:33.119 But I'm gonna get to that in just a second. But the NCAA 8 00:00:33.439 --> 00:00:41.119 Men's tennis bracket was just announced. Arizona who won the Pac twelf tournament for 9 00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:47.079 the first time with Clancy Shields the three. They've won three PAC twelve regular 10 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:51.000 season championships, but they had not won the tournament championship. They beat Stanford 11 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:57.679 for that on Saturday. Automatic bid also there they are now. They are 12 00:00:57.719 --> 00:01:03.320 the nine seed in the sixty four team bracket. They will be hosting uh 13 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:07.480 A first and second round here in Tucson, May third and or fourth. 14 00:01:07.879 --> 00:01:11.280 Uh We'll we'll get there. We'll get the final schedule, but we do 15 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:15.200 know that they are in the bracket. They'll be they'll be hosting uh the 16 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:19.840 first round to be playing Boise State and then if they win, they take 17 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:23.239 on the winner of Pepperdine and Auber. Where does Stanford end up in that? 18 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:26.079 The party a little head of them seed wise, Let's see, I 19 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:34.359 don't uh a s U as I see as US in the tournament? Who 20 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:37.280 else is in there from the PAC twelve because on the bracket, because l 21 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:42.040 is in because what they did was unbelievable. Yeah, so first time the 22 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:49.200 championship has been outside of California, right, Uh, looking has got to 23 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:51.359 be in there, right right? Sure, I'm just I'm just racing down 24 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:59.959 the bracket, but I'll I'll keep looking, but don't see them looking at 25 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:02.000 back to that. Yeah, we'll get back to it. But they definitely 26 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:07.400 got Oh, there they are. They are in the This doesn't listen East 27 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:10.080 West, They're they're in a regional where they are well, they're in a 28 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:14.000 region with a S in the in a region with a s U. But 29 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:19.560 Oklahoma is the seeded team in their bracket, the eleventh seed. Uh, 30 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:23.960 they would if they were to win their first round against SMU, they take 31 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:30.199 on Oklahoma or U tr Okay, but that The n cua A Tournament starts 32 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:32.800 on May third, and fourth, But congratulations, can glance the shields. 33 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:36.639 We're going to have them back on the show tomorrow. It's a big deal 34 00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:38.800 for him to uh, to have won that. I think it's kind of 35 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:46.439 like the missing piece of what he's been doing here and uh and so a 36 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:49.919 big deal for them. And so they'll be hosting a first and second round 37 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:53.360 next week. Still the best coach on campus in this weekend, I guess, 38 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:57.960 yeah, it's started the fourth Yeah yeah. So anyways, all right, 39 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:00.960 let's go to Let's go to a bunch of answer portal stuff starting with 40 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:07.319 let's starting with basketball. They got a big guy out of out of Tennessee, 41 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:14.159 Toby Owaka. He's a six to six big man. He was sort 42 00:03:14.199 --> 00:03:17.400 of a he was a reserve playing thirteen minutes a game at Tennessee. There's 43 00:03:17.439 --> 00:03:22.960 a the picture that Arizona put on its website or not, maybe it wasn't 44 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:25.960 Arizona who put that on there. Oh Joe Tipton, whoever that guy is. 45 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:30.879 He looks like a big dude. He's a big key shot Johnson kind 46 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:31.879 of look. You have him at sixty six. I had him at six 47 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:36.759 eight, but Twitter, he's making six eight six eight two fifty, So 48 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:39.919 he's a big guy. Probably not the I know, we don't think Keisha 49 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:43.560 Johnson was a great shoot, but he'd had you know, he developed a 50 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:46.120 shot towards the end. Uh five point one points, four point six rebounds 51 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:51.400 a game playing thirteen minutes. So uh, it looks like a very physical 52 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:57.639 guy in there that that. You know, Arizona needs three plus two guys 53 00:03:57.800 --> 00:04:00.879 like this in the last ten days. Yeah. Yeah. On the football 54 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:04.560 side, a whole bunch of stuff going on. Guys going in the portal, 55 00:04:04.599 --> 00:04:08.960 guys coming out of the portal. Uh. A surprise to me. 56 00:04:09.159 --> 00:04:13.919 Kevin Green Junior was very active in the in the spring game. Has entered 57 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:17.519 the portal today. Well, that's a little shocking to me. He's got 58 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:20.920 three years of eligibility to remain. I thought he was you know, he'd 59 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:24.319 be the next guy up, right, he'd be the one of the targets. 60 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:28.439 You think he was the next guy up and to replace what did he 61 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:31.160 announce that? Yeah? And did he say anything in his announcement? It's 62 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:36.439 uh no, he's can announces the brotherhood, YadA, YadA, YadA. 63 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:41.680 With that being said, I would be entering the transfer portal. So Kevin 64 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:46.920 Green gone or or maybe well in the portal in Kevin Green in the portal, 65 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:55.279 who we saw I'm trying to go back. Okay, there Jordan Washington, 66 00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:59.480 who who talked about the running back certainly you know, I'm sure he's 67 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:03.759 headed to uh headed to uh chill, Seattle. So the guys in the 68 00:05:03.839 --> 00:05:09.240 portal, there's there's seven guys in the portal in this fifteen day spring window. 69 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:13.000 Joe Borjon the lineman, Bill Norton, the defensive lineman who committed to 70 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:18.160 Texas. Defensive backs, DJ Warrenew and Will Eurich, you Rich Cameron Hawkins, 71 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:24.120 a long snapper in Jordan Washington and Kevin Green. On the other side 72 00:05:24.120 --> 00:05:28.759 of it, they picked up a wide receiver out of Old Dominion named Raymelo 73 00:05:28.879 --> 00:05:32.439 Murphy. He's got two years of eligibility. This ed rusher Chase Kennedy out 74 00:05:32.480 --> 00:05:35.600 of Utah, which is interesting. You get a guy from Utah, he's 75 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:39.839 got three years of eligibility to left. And then they got a lot offensive 76 00:05:39.879 --> 00:05:44.680 lineman from from Oregon named Michael Wooton. He's got three years of eligibility to 77 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:46.839 left. So guys that look like you know their positions. It's a it's 78 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:53.920 a union station as they would say a total of seven guys have come have 79 00:05:54.079 --> 00:06:00.399 come from the Portal to Arizona in football. So Stevett, you know again, 80 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:04.959 man, just interesting stuff. A little more on Chase Kennedy. He 81 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:10.879 was he was a three star from Texas. He had offers from Kansas State, 82 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:14.560 Oklahoma State, Nebraska, and Houston among others. This according to Goaisy 83 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:20.279 Cats, he could he committed Arizona on on on Sunday night. He did. 84 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:27.000 He did red shirt his freshman year at at at Utah and played some 85 00:06:27.160 --> 00:06:31.000 last year and so he's got some time left to play. UH. The 86 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:35.759 the the receiver Ray Melo Murphy got twenty eight passes for five one hundred yards 87 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:40.879 and three touchdowns at Old Dominion last year. That according to Matt Morino, 88 00:06:41.079 --> 00:06:43.879 So I'm trying to give these guys some credit because they do the reporting and 89 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:46.480 we put no good. We just spit it out. We were talking about 90 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:51.639 those guys that at UH at the practice member playing. So those four guys 91 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:57.399 over there, it was it was it was Michael lev Justin Spears, UH 92 00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:00.759 station cheer and Brian Peters. I said, we were just talking about those 93 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:03.360 four guys. But then you said there are guys we need they do. 94 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:06.560 They do a lot of our work for which is which is what they do. 95 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:13.120 So it's great. But anyways, some some fun news from UH kind 96 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:18.120 of I guess you would call it call it family news. John Feena's son 97 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:25.399 now playing at UH at South Point Roman UH has got has been offered by 98 00:07:25.480 --> 00:07:30.519 Arizona. He was after the spring game. So John uh well Roman announced 99 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:33.319 announced it, but John Feene also retweeted it. There's some pictures of of 100 00:07:33.639 --> 00:07:40.560 of those guys on on social media, so good, good for good for 101 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:44.600 John Feena and his family. Maybe they can keep this one here as opposed 102 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:47.079 to UH the one who got away? And is that U c l a 103 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:53.720 mm hmm, all right, A lot of the well we're we're gonna just 104 00:07:53.959 --> 00:07:57.600 to remind people we're gonna have solid bookman from p h n X Phoenix Sports 105 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:03.000 talk about the I have I have an adjective for the Sons, but who 106 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:07.920 got swept by the by the Minnesota Timberwolves. I know that there were a 107 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:11.399 lot of people going into that who thought the Sons had a chance to take 108 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:13.639 Howard, to take Minnesota. Howard heals me in another dinner, and they 109 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:16.680 didn't even come close. I'm gonna diet Howard, but I'm gonna eat a 110 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:22.800 four game sweep. They are out. They got beaten last night. You 111 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:26.560 know, makes you wonder, you know what, there's more, there's more 112 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:30.839 to the story because we've covered the school, we covered schools and teams right 113 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:33.200 right, and we don't always get the story or we know the story. 114 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:37.639 We just can't write the story And there's gotta be more to the story in 115 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:41.200 this one, you know, and and you get you have a guy like 116 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:46.639 KD, KD and and Booker. I'm sorry, you know, I'm sorry. 117 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:50.399 Everywhere KD goes, they underachieved everywhere they go. I'm not saying it's 118 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:56.279 all on here. I'm just saying he's not the guy that well people make 119 00:08:56.360 --> 00:08:58.840 him out to be interm He's being the guy that can bring your change. 120 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:03.039 Here's here's the thing that I've noticed or done for years now. I don't 121 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:07.480 care how much talent you have, because people have talent. If they don't 122 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:11.799 play well together in the sandbox, you're telling means nothing, right. I 123 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:13.240 didn't, I didn't. I didn't actually see the video of this, but 124 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:18.360 somebody, somebody tweeted that there was video that that Bradley did not shake hands 125 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:22.360 or get or he kind of left left hanging on a on a high five. 126 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:26.799 I saw it. But he did answer a question to that, saying 127 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:30.480 he was just frustrated and there was nothing there. He just was upset that 128 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:33.000 he was not playing to his liking and he kind of slapped the hand, 129 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:37.559 and he slapped everybody else's hands. Okay, So so it kind of makes 130 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:39.879 sense because they removed him in the fourth quarter of the team was struggling and 131 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:45.279 he was struggling, so he was like frustrated with himself, and it's it's 132 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:50.679 it's kind of obvious but also obvious to his explanation. Yeah, it's Uh, 133 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:52.960 I don't know. I didn't see it, so I don't know why 134 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:56.720 I even broad No, I saw it. It was it was noticeable. 135 00:09:58.120 --> 00:10:03.799 But yeah, all right, and then uh up the road uh uh a 136 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:13.919 s U landed out of nowhere the number eight UH recruit recruit, a five 137 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:20.279 star center who decommitted from Kentucky with the coaching change, and says he's coming 138 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:24.360 to a s U. Did you see somebody tweeting this about that? Maybe 139 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:28.519 he got it confused with you. Well, that's no, I'm thinking maybe 140 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:33.519 he got confused as to which Hurley was recruited there, and then he's he's 141 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:37.240 going to get to su Wait wait, wait, where's Dan Hurley? Excuse 142 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:41.559 me? Sorry, Bobby, I have to tell you I thought you were 143 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:50.440 the brother. Sorry, I can't go there anymore. Said that you saw, 144 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:52.480 you saw what he's doing. He's gonna have a documentary done about the 145 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:58.240 basketball program. Okay, whatever you think will work. But that was that's 146 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:00.519 a good get. It's a huge it's a huge get. Yeah, it's 147 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:03.519 a huge guy. If it really does materialize, he needs about five other 148 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:11.480 guys. Yeah, but I I I'm sorry, I just it's hard for 149 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:18.720 me to imagine why a player of that caliber would go to a program that's 150 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:22.799 just a tough program to be in. Your guys, leave than the jay 151 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:26.360 You're six ft nine, You're fantastic. Jay On, Bobby, you want 152 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:30.440 to start something, you want to be the legacy guy to start my program. 153 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:33.919 You'll be the guy. You know if you be If you are the 154 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:37.840 guy, this town will love you forever. Yeah, that's here here, 155 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:43.399 by the way, here's a Chick fil a bag for the gosh. Well, 156 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:46.039 I don't have to even do it that way, say you know what, 157 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:50.240 see that car over there, to the car, the car and check 158 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:54.879 the glove compartment. There's another one like that on the other side. What 159 00:11:56.000 --> 00:11:58.799 congratulations to Bobby Hurley to get a guy like that. I mean, everything 160 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:03.200 you read about this kid is that he's I mean, first of all, 161 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:09.279 the the highest ranked big player commit ever for a s U. You know, 162 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:11.759 he's their team at right, So you know, good on him, 163 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:13.639 and uh, all right, man, welcome to you. You know, 164 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:18.480 well, I'm sure he'll be welcome to Tucson whenever he had whenever here. 165 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:24.480 But you know he needs more guys. Yeah, oh, just uh just 166 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:28.159 coming across from Justin Spears, Joe Borjon, one of the guys who jumped 167 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:31.600 in the transh reportal is going to San Diego State. Okay, okay, 168 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:37.200 it's kind of a lateral, but they want to play. I mean, 169 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:41.720 they want to play in maybe just the program itself wasn't what do you want? 170 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:43.600 All right? Also, coming across the women's tennis team, you have 171 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:46.960 a women's tennis is in the n C Double A tournament as well. I 172 00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:52.720 don't have a I don't have a seed or where they're going or anything like 173 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:54.399 that, just that they're in so oh, they take it back here it 174 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:58.639 is they play Oklahoma. They're in the Texas A and M bracket and we'll 175 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:03.600 play Oklahoma. They're going to college station in Texas. You have you didn't 176 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:11.000 lead with this or have something Philippe, Philip or my guy going to going 177 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:15.919 to your Lobos no logo? But who's my guy? Who's the guy that 178 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:18.000 called it? Is not Richard Richards? They Oklahoma guy. Who's the guy 179 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:20.480 that calls us from New Mexico? Oh, Richard, it's Richard? Yeah 180 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:24.440 okay, Richard? Yeah yeah, yeah, but he's here now. Yeah. 181 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:26.480 Yeah, that's a great gat. I think I love the way he 182 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:30.000 plays. Yeah, we did. We did like him a lot. Perfect. 183 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:33.759 It might be a really good fit for them at I'm sorry he wasn't 184 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:37.600 my lead breaking Yeah no, I said there's one more too, and I 185 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:39.440 oh, then there's Philippe. Yeah, Philippe or of eaching and going to 186 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:43.320 New Mexico. In fact, I never tweeted, and I tweeted they're gonna 187 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:45.440 love him. Yeah, they don't love that. I agree, I think 188 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:48.600 they are. He should. He could be turned into the Ruben Douglas of 189 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:54.679 this work. Let me finish my statement the Ruben Douglas who could score, 190 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:56.960 you know, because they you know that happened twenty some years ago, and 191 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:00.759 we all know what I'm in the Ruben. But he's a fantastic player over 192 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:03.639 there because he had free reign, more free rank. Yeah, all right. 193 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:07.080 One final piece, kind of a kind of a jab in the side. 194 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:11.480 Charlie Pelacio's who is a transfer from Arizona playing at U c l A 195 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:16.039 in for the three game series against Arizona where they were UCLA won two out 196 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:18.559 of three. Chose name backed off player of the week. Oh yeah, 197 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:22.600 yeah, and that was That was a tough situation for both baseball and softball 198 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:26.559 this SEK because they have both games. One. 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I mean I hid radio WAPs. You know what you didn't 273 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:45.480 do? What didn't I do? We have a guest? Oh we didn't 274 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:51.599 call them, did well? Tix? See this is where you guys coming 275 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:55.039 to place? This is on you one you were supposed to tell us to 276 00:19:55.119 --> 00:19:59.799 color. Yeah, Holy how sid guin? What deck are you guys doing? 277 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:03.720 Come on, Steve, I'm looking at you. You're looking for better 278 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:11.759 the phone we got busy? Well, all right, Steve's texting solid bookman. 279 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:15.359 We were supposed to have called him, and when you started the show, 280 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:18.519 he said, this is the guest time. Is this is the guest 281 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:22.680 time. I've lost my head. I'm doing having to do too many things, 282 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:30.119 Steve, I'm sitting here and I'm thirsty too. You're angry. Okay, 283 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:37.799 that's it, but but well we'll welcome here you go? Is this 284 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:45.480 soul? Thank you man, thanks for calling mister bookman. Sal We were 285 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:48.240 supposed to call you, but Steve forgot. No, No, the guy 286 00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:52.920 with the phone, I forgot. That's Jay. So let me saw what 287 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:56.960 the heck happened up in Phoenix. Oh man, where do you start? 288 00:20:57.480 --> 00:21:00.359 You start? What do you want? Since the beginning of the season, 289 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:07.759 Yeah, you know, just all uh all just combobulated. No chemistry, 290 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:12.039 no connection, no attention to detail. You can't just roll the ball out 291 00:21:12.079 --> 00:21:15.920 with those big three and think everything's gonna be all right. The Big three, 292 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:19.920 I mean they didn't even play that many games together, right, I 293 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:23.799 mean, it just didn't. It just didn't materialize into what it was supposed 294 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:27.799 to be. No, they they made it look far more difficult than it 295 00:21:27.920 --> 00:21:34.200 needed to be. But that's also partially on the thought and the structure of 296 00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:38.839 the of what their coaching straft presented. You know, the coaching staff didn't 297 00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:42.519 do a good job of putting players in the right positions and clearing up roles 298 00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:48.920 and understanding exactly how to utilize this uh, this this three tome really and 299 00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:52.640 they couldn't figure it out amongst themselves. And you have a lot of redundancy 300 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:56.599 amongst those three in terms of mid range scoring and ball handling, and it 301 00:21:56.759 --> 00:22:03.519 just became problematic. So you started with your evaluation. Has anybody written that 302 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:07.200 at any time? When I was up in Phoenix for the Final four and 303 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:10.359 then other things, it was kind of like it was a story that nobody 304 00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:14.839 wanted to write because because maybe it wasn't true. But I guess it's true. 305 00:22:17.039 --> 00:22:19.400 I just think that there was this belief that they would it would eventually 306 00:22:19.519 --> 00:22:22.640 click, it would eventually get together, because these guys were just too good 307 00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:29.680 for it not to and it ultimately made a lot of us look foolish. 308 00:22:30.200 --> 00:22:33.200 Obviously it didn't. You know. It was something that we had talked about 309 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:37.799 several times at least on our pH Next sunshow about just the lack of connection 310 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:42.839 and connectivity. But you know, we just against the Timbrels. Specifically, 311 00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:47.200 it was the one team in the league where it looked like they were able 312 00:22:47.279 --> 00:22:48.640 to figure it out, and then we got to the playoffs and it was 313 00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:53.960 a completely different story. So, uh, finn reaction to this, I 314 00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:57.880 mean, are they, you know, pointing the finger at anybody in particular? 315 00:22:59.279 --> 00:23:03.200 You know, Kate because you know he's been around, you know, 316 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:06.839 I know they love Devin Booker, you know, Bradley Beal was supposed to 317 00:23:06.839 --> 00:23:10.000 be all these things. Is there somewhere that the fingers being pointed more than 318 00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:15.000 others? I think if there was one finger being pointed in a singular direction, 319 00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:18.880 it would be Frank Vogel, and then after that, Honestly, I 320 00:23:18.920 --> 00:23:22.599 do think it would be the moves that were made. You know, I 321 00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:26.119 know a lot of people are pointing to Chris Paul for Bradley Beale and dah 322 00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:30.799 for nurkit Chen Allen, But those are those aren't really? I mean, 323 00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:33.240 those really aren't. You had to do those deals at the times that you 324 00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:37.559 did them. You know, DA's time in the Valley was running out. 325 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:41.640 He wasn't happy here. He wanted more touches, and I think people just, 326 00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:45.119 you know, in the moment, people forget about that, and they're 327 00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:47.480 like, oh, well, you know, it's always revisional's history. When 328 00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:49.079 you're talking about those cop things, I think they both needed a press start. 329 00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:52.759 And when you're talk about Chris Paul, Chris Paul was aging. He's 330 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:56.279 like thirty eight years old. He's going to be thirty nine this year you're 331 00:23:56.359 --> 00:23:59.680 talking about, you know, and he's never he's always been injury riddled in 332 00:23:59.680 --> 00:24:03.400 the play offs, and you're putting all your hopes on him to try and 333 00:24:03.519 --> 00:24:06.559 solve this whole thing, and it wasn't. He just wasn't gonna happen, 334 00:24:06.759 --> 00:24:08.680 and so they had to move on. And if you told me it back 335 00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:11.640 then, and if you told me now that you were going to be able 336 00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:14.480 to get Brad Beal for Chris Paul, you do that all day every day. 337 00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:17.559 So it's just you know, when it doesn't work out, it doesn't 338 00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:18.960 work out, and sometimes it just happens, but you don't go back and 339 00:24:19.079 --> 00:24:25.359 change that. So you were a senior. I think when in Buffalo DeAndre 340 00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:30.440 the Trier and Alkins, you saw that they kind of didn't like each other, 341 00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:33.240 right, we kind of knew that not anything was ever written because you 342 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:37.440 know, maybe for the same reason you thought they fixed itself. It didn't. 343 00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:42.279 What about these three? Did they like each other? I mean, 344 00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:45.599 I think though I believe so, I believe they liked each other. I 345 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:48.720 know, Kevin and Devon are pretty close, and you know, they hang 346 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:52.880 out and Bradley Beal is a family man, so he doesn't hang out in 347 00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:56.319 the same circles as two single guys, you know. But I think for 348 00:24:56.400 --> 00:25:00.240 the most part everything I ever ever heard and seen, yeah, they like 349 00:25:00.279 --> 00:25:03.119 each other. Were they just not good good enough to rest with the rest 350 00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:07.839 of the staff, with the rest of the roster. Yeah, again, 351 00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:11.319 I just don't think that the staff did a very good job of a really 352 00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:17.759 you know, structuring the offense to make it as efficient as possible. And 353 00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:19.640 I think you had you have two guys that were playing out of position, 354 00:25:21.559 --> 00:25:26.279 trying to play point guard and set everything up in Devin Booker and Bradley Beal, 355 00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:30.240 and I think there was a time or two where they just overthought and 356 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:34.160 they made it more complicated than it really was. And then sometimes you're you're 357 00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:38.920 pinning Kevin Durant in the corner as a decoy, and that was problematic, 358 00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:41.359 you know what I mean. So it just never felt like this team was 359 00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:47.359 connected on at every single level as they should have been, and I do 360 00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:52.559 blame the coaching staff a majority for that. So so there's often talk about 361 00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:56.960 the so called windows right that that teams have, that there's a certain you 362 00:25:56.039 --> 00:25:59.440 know, you've got a certain roster, you've got a certain amount of time, 363 00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:03.559 you know that you need to win a championship and or do you know, 364 00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:07.200 do you know move along somewhere and if you don't, then people start 365 00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:11.319 to move on. Where is that Is there more time left in that window 366 00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:15.880 for this for this Sun's team, or do we start seeing big changes, 367 00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:18.759 you know, for next season? I mean you could see, you could 368 00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:23.319 see a change. But I do think that if they got a new coaching 369 00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:27.799 staff and maybe we're able to make some subtle moves here and there just to 370 00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:30.720 show up the roster, they could they could flip the script, but you 371 00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:33.359 needed to. You need a coach that's going to pay attention to the details 372 00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:37.920 and hold guys accountable. And I don't know if necessarily these players really bought 373 00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:41.160 into everything Frank Volbeill was trying to sell. You know, when you're talking 374 00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:45.559 about controlling that locker room or or having at least a voice in the locker 375 00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:48.440 room. The head coach has got to be the premiere example of that. 376 00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:52.640 And I just don't feel like that really resonated with this team. Uh. 377 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:56.240 I feel like these guys were too independent to buy into whatever Frank Volber was 378 00:26:56.279 --> 00:27:00.799 trying to push to them, and it ultimately failed. It's funny because I 379 00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:03.640 saw that story this morning about his tantrum in the locker room I don't know 380 00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:07.720 what maybe a couple of weeks ago, and they kind of said, this 381 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:12.799 isn't you. How can you make your point when this isn't you. Yeah, 382 00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:15.359 you gotta be that guy from the start. You can't be that guy 383 00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:19.480 in the eightieth game of the season, and that's when it happened. You 384 00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:22.000 know, Frank Vogel is a nice guy. And I think if you if 385 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:25.799 you asked the players you know what they thought about Frank Vogel, that would 386 00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:27.319 be the first team that they said. It wouldn't be about like, oh, 387 00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:30.279 he's a masterminder, he's a genius, and you know he knows how 388 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:33.440 to set us. But you it's none of that stuff. It's always he's 389 00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:37.079 a nice guy. Is he the right guy? Probably not? And I 390 00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:38.519 think that's why he's going to see the Suns move in a different direction. 391 00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:42.400 At least I would guess, Well it is uh. I mean he's got 392 00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:45.640 to They just brought him in. He's got a five year contract. I 393 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:49.079 mean uh. And it's not so much about the money but about you know, 394 00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:53.440 giving giving some time or whatever. But you think it was that bad 395 00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:56.960 that that that the owner will say, nah, that this isn't gonna work 396 00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:02.039 and make a change. I mean, I think there's just some some systemic 397 00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:06.880 issues that won't be cured with time. You know, It's it's do you 398 00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:10.480 believe in the system? Like this guy came in to be a defensive coach 399 00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:12.880 and show up the defense inside of the ball and they for the for the 400 00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:17.599 longest part of the season, they were in the bottom fifteen and defense and 401 00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:19.559 like, okay, so what do you really bring to the table And it 402 00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:23.279 definitely was an offensive execution. Okay, well is it management? Do you 403 00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:26.799 believe in the vision? And I don't think these players believe in the vision 404 00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:30.480 of the future because they're already complaining. So you know, if if your 405 00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:33.400 superstars are already complaining, that's not going to get any better with time. 406 00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:37.200 Yeah. No, it's it's funny. You know, we all know Steve 407 00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:40.960 Kurr and how he handles those those superstars. As you put it, it's 408 00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:44.759 tough. I mean, Arizona Phoenix had three. How do you keep three 409 00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:49.720 of those guys happy? Oh man, it's almost impossible. But you know, 410 00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:52.240 listen, I think Steve Kerr figured it out. You got to you 411 00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:56.480 got to speak to them, you got to be six skinned yourself, and 412 00:28:56.559 --> 00:29:00.480 you got a reason with them. And I think the reason coaches fail a 413 00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:03.880 lot is because they don't really teach the why, even to the NBA player, 414 00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:07.160 like you have to teach the why, like this is why you're doing 415 00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:10.880 this, because this is ultimately going to lead to business and this right. 416 00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:14.440 And when players don't buy in, it's because they don't have enough information on 417 00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:18.440 their end to see what the coach sees and their vision in my in my 418 00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:22.359 you know, humble opinion. So I think when you're talking about these guys 419 00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:29.519 and the and their ability to succeed before Frank Bobili even got into the foray, 420 00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:32.640 they can't have their own why. And unless you come in here and 421 00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:34.720 change that, they're never going to listen to you. Do you do you 422 00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:38.640 like what Kevin Durant brings to the table to a team, any team, 423 00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:41.799 right. And we saw him in Golden State with some of the Oklahoma say, 424 00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:45.680 you know what he's done with with with the Suns. Do you like 425 00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:49.720 him? Is he good for the for any you know, any team, 426 00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:52.799 right? In terms of all the things that come with him, good and 427 00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:57.720 bad. I like Kevin Durant. I think he's a tremendous basketball player. 428 00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:00.039 I think he's going to be you know, he's gonna go down as one 429 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:03.559 of the greatest scorers of all time. I think that the one knock on 430 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:07.799 Kevin Durant that keeps coming up that I would agree with is it's not just 431 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:12.279 about leadership. It's about imposing your will and getting everybody to conform to what 432 00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:15.680 you're doing because you do it at the highest level. And I don't think 433 00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:19.279 he really challenges his teammates to get to that level because he feels like he 434 00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:22.480 leads by example quietly, and I don't think that necessarily works all the time. 435 00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:26.920 At some point in time, you've got to you've got to you've got 436 00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:32.359 to insert your will, and I don't think he does that enough. And 437 00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:34.640 especially for somebody that's supposed to be, you know, an all time great. 438 00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:38.000 It's funny. I know last year they had the same criticism. I 439 00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:41.000 guess the depth was not there, YadA, YadA. And then I saw 440 00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:45.200 I watched the games recently and I see Isaiah Thomas on the sideline, you 441 00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:48.200 know, doing the cheerleading stuff. And I think, Isaiah Thomas, here's 442 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:52.799 a kid who was I covered him back in the day at Washington and before 443 00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:56.319 the paper closed. I'm thinking, that's how bad the bench is. Oh 444 00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:00.200 yeah, oh yeah. And they only brought him in for the locker vibes, 445 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.200 which should tell you that should be the biggest knock on. Frank Vogel 446 00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:07.000 is like you already are struggling in the locker room and you have to bring 447 00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:11.359 a guy like it and to try and you know, mend those senses and 448 00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:14.960 make sure everybody's on the same page and keep devised higher. That should already 449 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:17.960 tell you that you're you're already six feet under before to even start. No 450 00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:22.359 exact good example, if if I just total speculation, if you had to 451 00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:26.559 pick one of the Big three that might not be here next year, is 452 00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:30.480 there one or do you think all three of them will be back? I 453 00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:33.680 think all three of them will be back. But if I had to guess 454 00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:36.359 one of them to be gone, it would be KD because he's the easiest, 455 00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:40.960 wanting to be able to trade and get some assets for Devin Booker has 456 00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:42.599 been the face of this franchise. You trade Devin Booker right now, you're 457 00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:47.440 going to lose half the stam base and they're gonna lose their mind. And 458 00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:51.960 also, like Devin Booker is twenty seven years old, he's he's almost you 459 00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:55.319 know, eight years younger than KD. You know, why would you trade 460 00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:59.720 somebody who has more time on his contract, who has a little bit more 461 00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:04.759 to room to grow and it's just getting into his prime. Uh, to 462 00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:07.880 keep it in favor of Kevin Durant. Now, the one that they should 463 00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:13.240 trade would be Bradley Beal, But that contract is so outrageous that nobody's gonna 464 00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:16.519 take that on for the next three years just because so I would say it 465 00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:20.920 be Kevin Durant. Yeah, that makes sense. On the phone with the 466 00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:27.599 Saul Bookman from Phoenix p x X, you you was it fun. I 467 00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:30.920 mean cause you're you guys have a different website. It's kind of like a 468 00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:36.079 pro suns thing is it fun when you're covering a team like this. Uh, 469 00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:40.160 this was the worst basketball team or the worst season I've ever covered in 470 00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:45.680 my life. And I covered the SBI Arizona team. You know, need 471 00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:49.079 on that, you know, And that was miserable at first. But at 472 00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:52.359 least there was some fun moments towards the end of the season before they flamed 473 00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:53.759 out against Buffalo, you know what I mean, Like the Pat twelve Tournament 474 00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:58.400 was fun as hell. This team, man, I can't recall one great 475 00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:00.880 moment where I was just like, man, yeah, that was that was 476 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:02.519 fun. You know, it was miserable all year. It looked like the 477 00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:07.240 players were already also miserable season. Nobody was really having fun watching this team. 478 00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:10.079 It was a chore to say the least. Yeah. So I mean, 479 00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:14.279 why would anybody believe that it would change in the playoffs, That's what 480 00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:19.200 I couldn't get. I don't know, man, It just felt like, 481 00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:22.279 you know, maybe they were ropid doping everybody, but the team we didn't 482 00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:25.079 expect to be rope adoping everybody was Minnesota, and they rope adoped as great 483 00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:29.839 as anybody could because they just let the Suns beat them against the Ropes in 484 00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:31.799 the in the regular season and they came out and just knock them out in 485 00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:36.640 the playoffs. So you know, congrats to them. They deserved it. 486 00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:40.039 Yeah, even though you guys, well Phoenix is way over the way over 487 00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:44.640 the tax issues and all that. What can they do. I mean, 488 00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:47.440 they're still gonna have a bad bench. Yeah, they're gonna have to like 489 00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:51.960 again, they're gonna have to get creative with trades. They got to hit 490 00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:53.599 in the draft. They have one draft pick this year in the first round, 491 00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:59.160 twenty second. Overall, they don't have any wiggle room to really improve 492 00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:01.480 this roster to much. They asked some assets that they get trade away to 493 00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:07.839 replace certain players. You know, nasire little still got a sizeable contract that 494 00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:10.800 they can get rid of if they want to try and bring him somebody else. 495 00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:14.599 But for the most part, you kind of stuck with what you got 496 00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:17.559 unless you trade one of the big three away to show up this roster. 497 00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:22.280 So you know, there's a there's a lot of bleakness going on in the 498 00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:27.159 in the valley right now, but you know, we'll see where it goes. 499 00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:31.519 So you covered uh misterton here, I did too. You saw him 500 00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:35.599 over there for a number of years. What do you think he's thinking right 501 00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:40.559 now. I mean, I'm sure there's a part of him that's a little 502 00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:44.559 happy that you know, they they failed in the first round without him, 503 00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:49.840 But you know, knowing da, he's probably not even paid at toutch to 504 00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:52.199 the idiot you already, you know, just having a good time, you 505 00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.760 know, in the Bahamas or or at home, not even paying any mind. 506 00:34:55.800 --> 00:35:00.400 It is. So he's a he's a pretty loose guy in terms of 507 00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:02.639 like, you know, he's always been a happy, go lucky guy. 508 00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:07.480 And that was kind of one of the knocks on him up here unfortunately that 509 00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:12.039 I did not agree with. And so he's just he's kind of like uh, 510 00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:15.840 perfectly aloof if he if he can put it anyway, right right, 511 00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:19.800 Well, he's probably stuck at the house because of snowstorm in Portland. Yeah 512 00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:22.679 yeah, Ice is still there. Thank you, Saul, appreciate you. 513 00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:27.239 Thanks a much, man, No problem, guys. Thank Yeah. So 514 00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:29.880 it was great and he was honest, and he was honest because it was 515 00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:32.480 very obvious. Like I said before, when I was up in Phoenix for 516 00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:37.000 two weeks, I'm thinking, where is this optimism coming from? Well, 517 00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:39.000 we beat Minnesota in the series. YadA YadA, we can do it again. 518 00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:44.320 No, even like Howard, you heard Howard. Howard was optimistic. 519 00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:49.480 He was they're gonna beat them, and it was not even close in the 520 00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:52.719 third game, Game three was they just kind of xiled it and they had 521 00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:54.800 a train to catch or something. All right, Well, not that we're 522 00:35:54.880 --> 00:36:00.320 encouraging you to go to one of our competing shows. But David Kelly twelve 523 00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:05.920 ninety's got he's gotta a poll up. Do the Suns win an NBA title 524 00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:10.360 with this corps of Big three? That's a question, and the answers are 525 00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:14.159 yes, give it time or no, blow it up? Blow it up. 526 00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:16.400 It leads by seventy three percent. Yeah, but you can't blow it 527 00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:20.639 up. As he said, there's two Yeah, you can say let's blow 528 00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:22.119 it up, but you know there's no way to do it. Dad. 529 00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:24.559 Can I go to the Disneyland? Son? We don't have enough money? 530 00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:28.000 Dad? Can we go to News? No, you don't have enough money. 531 00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:30.239 You just can't go because there's no money. Exactly. All right, 532 00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:32.760 we're gonna take our last break. We'll take your calls if you have some 533 00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:37.119 comments on the Suns. Howard, where are you would love to hear from 534 00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:38.400 you? Five, two zero, four, one, six, seventy four, 535 00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:42.400 forty right back. If you're an Arizona men's basketball fan, you know 536 00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:45.960 it's been successful for nearly forty years. Now take a look back at the 537 00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:47.760 Ludolsen era. 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Okay, you what do you think why at the Suns? 578 00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:59.159 Yeah, like Saul said earlier, it's it's something we're just gonna have 579 00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:01.320 to sit with for a while. Not a lot that we can fix. 580 00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:06.360 We'll see what we can't do with this upcoming season. But it was definitely 581 00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:09.679 hard to watch all season. You could just kind of tell that they did 582 00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:16.639 not like each other. Something was off. Whether it be coaching or compatibility, 583 00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:21.719 it was something was off. It reminds me of the DeAndre Aiden senior 584 00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:25.239 year. We saw it. There was one ball, three stars and they 585 00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:30.119 all wanted that ball, and the bench was okay, they were good and 586 00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:31.920 they showed they could be good. Right, Yeah you got good at time. 587 00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:37.000 Yeah, they just dominated. But this is my one takeaway. Although 588 00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:43.400 solos very good, you can't have a coach at any level who's a good 589 00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:47.199 guy or a good girl. Good guys and good girls don't win championships they're 590 00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:51.400 too good. You have to be a pain in the ass at some times. 591 00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:53.400 And if you don't have that in you, how are the guys gonna 592 00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:57.920 play for you? Right? It's too it's too easy for guys to maybe 593 00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.760 on a given day not put out the effort, you know, and not 594 00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:05.800 It comes down to what's the a word that we use all the time, 595 00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:09.360 accountability. Right If a coach doesn't hold players accountable, then how can you 596 00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:15.239 expect to you know, in a tough time have the guys that do what 597 00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:19.199 you need to do to win a championship where sometimes just win a game. 598 00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:22.360 Sure, and we've covered those guys. I know a couple of those guys. 599 00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:29.480 You can't be nice. You could be respectful, but not nice. 600 00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:32.679 You know, I have a few friends of like that. You just can 601 00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:36.440 you get back to, you know, you ask him about the Dick Tomy 602 00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:42.760 years. As nice as guy as he was, and as almost like a 603 00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:47.320 father or a grandfather figure out on the field, if you were not doing 604 00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:52.280 your part, he busted your ass, sure, and we saw him do 605 00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:53.639 that. There was also a time or two when he was a little father 606 00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:58.719 flying again. He would kind of bring people and kind of smooth them over 607 00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:01.719 and will give you another chance. And that sometimes didn't work either, right, 608 00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:05.480 But you know what I'm saying. He was good to your point. 609 00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:07.440 Yes, there were times there were times when here here's the thing. He 610 00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:10.920 gave guys the benefit of the doubt until he could no longer give them the 611 00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:15.480 benefit of the doubt, and and and and coaches. There are coaches who 612 00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:20.519 told a line, as you said, to being a nice guy versus being, 613 00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:23.039 uh, you know, the guy that holds Let's take this call. 614 00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:29.159 Hi, you're on the air and I on the ball. What's up? 615 00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:38.360 Hey on? Then their biggest their biggest mistake was firing Monty Williams. I 616 00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:40.440 thought so too. I thought he was a pretty good coach, but I 617 00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:44.920 think he it was the aiding thing. It was a lot of similar things 618 00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:47.320 here, don't you think. I mean, he took him to the finals. 619 00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:52.440 Man, They said he was a hard ass, but he got results. 620 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:55.079 He did, and when they fired him, I know, I was 621 00:42:55.159 --> 00:42:59.599 surprised, right because look, I know that that thing went on with with 622 00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:01.880 you and Andre. But they were getting rid of DeAndre eating too, So 623 00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:04.679 why do they feel they need to get rid of both of them? They 624 00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:07.079 should. They should have done the DeAndre thing first, right, and then 625 00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:12.639 one morning how it works and then move on. Yeah, exactly, man, 626 00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:15.920 are you are you? Are you mourning? Are you upset? Well? 627 00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:22.880 How do you feeling about all this? I don't really care. Sometimes 628 00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:25.000 they're not the top of my priority. Well, thanks for carrying it up 629 00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:30.960 to call exactly exactly, thank you, Nico. I want Howard to call 630 00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:35.960 Howard the one that thanks. I'll get out the line. Okay, okay, 631 00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:43.159 all right, we'll see if Howard he's not I'm upset you. Okay, 632 00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:46.119 all right, Nick, I'll talk to you later. Oh yeah, 633 00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:50.239 she did. We're trying to get her on the show this so we're hoping 634 00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:52.199 to get it. Don't do that. Don't do that. Oh yeah, 635 00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:59.079 the j don't do that. He wants to go on that. Every not 636 00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:01.039 everybody suffer from that when they come on the show. Look at Glancy Shields, 637 00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:04.719 he was on the show. He wouldn't want to pack twelve tournament championship. 638 00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:07.519 There you go. He wants to win win on one. That not 639 00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:14.360 automatic. All right, Nico, thanks about the calculator. Yeah, it's 640 00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:17.000 not automatic. I mean, you know sometimes we you know, it's very 641 00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:22.840 right sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. So it was the good the good coach, 642 00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:27.039 the nice coach, you know. Lout Loot was was both at times 643 00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:30.280 more more tough because you want to play hard for it. And he had 644 00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:35.239 rods for that, the rods or Kevin O'Neil or Ricky bird Song or you 645 00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:37.440 know, any of those assistant coaches that he had coming through did they did 646 00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:42.719 the kind of I don't know if you call it the soothing, the soothing, 647 00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:45.199 the kind of the buddy the buddy work. But also those guys too 648 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:49.519 though, you know, you saw it that those guys also had the whole 649 00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:53.639 They didn't coddle, they didn't coddle players, but they smoothed some of the 650 00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:57.000 things out that you know. I mean, you know, we've heard Sean 651 00:44:57.039 --> 00:45:00.360 Elliott talk about, you know, how how tough that was for him, 652 00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:04.440 you know, and I'm sure if if if Luke didn't have the assistant coaches 653 00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:07.719 that he had, but at that time, maybe Sean Elliott doesn't doesn't stay 654 00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:12.079 there right well, and s Sean Miller, I'm not sure that he had 655 00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:15.559 those guys because they were he was so control, He was so controlling. 656 00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:20.280 Sean was controlling they and the people that played work for him. Was my 657 00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:23.880 impression that it was tough to to say anything otherwise, right, you know, 658 00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:27.440 say, you know, Sean, could you know it was not gonna 659 00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:30.639 work that with Shawn's way or the highway? Is the impression we got. 660 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:32.960 Now we don't know him we weren't in the locker room, but that's a 661 00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:38.039 sense that we got from from his time. And I think Tommy, Tommy's 662 00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:42.679 like that, I you know't hear the people that Tommy is a little too 663 00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:46.559 true, very true when my story with him during the tournament was how competitive 664 00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:50.840 he he is, and the players agreed. So when you have that, 665 00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:54.320 you're probably let's get this thing done. But I think, you know, 666 00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:59.239 again, let's talk you know, the whole Colin Boswell thing. You know, 667 00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:01.599 the people just felt like he gave Colin Boswell way too much leeway. 668 00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:06.199 Very true, and and and uh, I'm not gonna say overlook things, 669 00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:10.519 but just well we talked about Jaden DeLaura with with with Fish, there's kind 670 00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:14.440 of the same thing, kind of the same thing, a very a very 671 00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:17.599 similar approach in that I'm gonna keep giving this guy, giving this guy chances. 672 00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:21.599 And you know, Colin Boswell started all season long, except for the 673 00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:24.480 one Senior Day game where you know we put in uh a Grant Whiteman. 674 00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:32.119 But you know, it's it's funny because fans want coaches to be hard asses, 675 00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:37.159 but then when they're too much of a hard ass, they get upset 676 00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:39.719 with them. Mike Stoops, Rich Rodriguez, Sean Miller to a degree. 677 00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:42.760 You know that they go, well, what are you doing, You're you're 678 00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:45.840 alienating your players. Well, you can't have it both. You got there's 679 00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:50.320 coaches will find the balance, coaches that are a really good coach. You 680 00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:52.840 know, you watch Danny Hurley on the sideline that loses his mind, but 681 00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:55.639 he's never losing his mind and his players, well, well you saw, 682 00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:59.400 you saw the guy we saw in the final four who's won two championships. 683 00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:05.000 Now very not Bobby Hurley ish, but he still does his things. In 684 00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:07.440 fact, I saw a lot of stories after the fact. He's kind of 685 00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:09.840 a jerk. He's kind of a jerk, but he's winning. But sometimes 686 00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:14.920 you guess what you do. He don't say anything about that because winning fix 687 00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:16.599 things. I mean, I was fine with rich trod being a complete yeah, 688 00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:20.480 well maniac on the sidelines when they went ten and two and went to 689 00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:22.519 the festival, right, But would you say that he's a jerk? Well, 690 00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:25.159 on the sideline, we saw what we saw. But what about on 691 00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:29.840 the sidelines in the blocker room stuff we don't know, we don't know. 692 00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:32.079 You know, to us, he's great. I loved him. Sure, 693 00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:35.519 you know, to the public, he was you know, he's pretty good. 694 00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:39.719 But I know that the public mind on the sideline, just like Stoops 695 00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:42.679 and they would go, what the hell are you doing? And we don't 696 00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:45.440 know enough about Stoops outside of the sideline, right, because he was not 697 00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:50.639 a community guy. He was He was not a touchy, feedy guy. 698 00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:52.559 Rich Trod wasn't either, you know. No, you're right, rich Trod 699 00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:54.679 wasn't either. But he was good with us. But he was good with 700 00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:58.480 us. He was good with the medium. Mike didn't like any of it. 701 00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:01.360 He didn't like doing any of that stuff. No, I I you 702 00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:06.280 know. And and that's why it takes such a special person to be a 703 00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:10.360 coach like Nick sabd. Okay, we've all thought Nick Saban was a brouch, 704 00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:16.400 uh, you know, a very arrogant and grumpy guy, and then 705 00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:20.880 you see him on the Draft show and you think, I like him. 706 00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:23.679 He was good, likable, very likable. But he's not coaching you. 707 00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:28.159 But he's not coaching and he's not he's not trying to win a championship anymore. 708 00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:31.239 And and you know, again, I even heard an interview that he 709 00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:35.480 did. I think it was probably with Dan Patrick where he said his wife 710 00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:38.320 told him kind of why are you such a butt? Heead all the time? 711 00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:42.280 You are and people think of you and why are you like that? 712 00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:45.159 And I mean he listened to it, but he never did anything about it 713 00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:49.840 because he continued to be that if you felt like he was that guy. 714 00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:52.199 But it's a different it's a different You played differently on the office than you 715 00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:55.480 do in real life because he and he won title. Well, and that's 716 00:48:55.480 --> 00:48:59.159 what I say. That is why I know you're a nice guy. I 717 00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:01.320 wouldn't be married to you if you weren't. True. But then I see 718 00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:05.119 you on I see you at the podium and I'm like, who are you? 719 00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:08.039 Well, the media has a wait of kind of pissing people off. 720 00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:13.000 Come on, No, they don't shun it all the time. If you 721 00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:15.480 don't like to go back to Phoenix. Yeah, I remember, you know, 722 00:49:16.039 --> 00:49:21.519 didn't answer questions about things, you know, silly stuff. That's silly. 723 00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:23.199 It's just silly stuff. I mean, it didn't need to happen. 724 00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:29.559 Yeah, But when you're when you feel entitled or untouchable, yep, you 725 00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:30.519 do what you do. You do what you do. Yeah, No, 726 00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:35.599 I I agree, I agree. It's been it's been uh, I have 727 00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:39.440 again, that's why you know, certain coaches succeed, sure, certain coaches 728 00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:45.119 don't those that have quote it. So we got three we got three minutes. 729 00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:50.239 So so who are the coaches here or there that you've said, Okay, 730 00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:53.280 he's got it. Well, I mean, obviously you know Lut's one. 731 00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:57.840 I thought Dick was one. What did Lut have? Luke? Lut 732 00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:02.320 had a presence that you you didn't want to disappoint and that and that was 733 00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:06.840 part of the book. It was you play. You have your grandfather? 734 00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:08.920 Did you know your grandfather? Yeah? I scared. He scared the hell 735 00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:12.719 out. Did you not screw up because he was scared a lot of No, 736 00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:15.880 I just didn't go around. Well you're a bad example. That was 737 00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:21.320 different. What about what you your young have your grandfather? No? I 738 00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:23.239 don't. But did you have my mom? Okay? And you don't want 739 00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:27.119 those eyes? Yes? And you know I had a dad like that when 740 00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:29.599 the eyes and you just didn't want to disappoint them, And that's part of 741 00:50:29.679 --> 00:50:32.440 it. You don't want to disappress. There's there's a thing about disappointing them 742 00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:37.599 out of fear, or disappointing them just because you don't want to disappoint. 743 00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:40.039 No, I think it's the second one to me, not the fear thing, 744 00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:43.639 because my dad didn't do that to me. But you just tell my 745 00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:46.440 parents they're doing a lot for me. Yeah, right, that that was 746 00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:51.880 Luke Okay, right, that wasn't my grandfather. Well Mason did. Mason 747 00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:54.480 Harvey said, I didn't want to put disappoint Steve, and I didn't want 748 00:50:54.519 --> 00:51:00.000 to disappointment And Brock broken Broncoorse said, he's like playing for your grandfather. 749 00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:04.039 You don't want to mess up because you know they do a lot for you, 750 00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:07.480 right, and and that. Yeah, and those those are the coaches 751 00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:10.800 that there haven't been that many of them here that I maybe some of them, 752 00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:14.519 you know, maybe a Mike Andrea was that guy, Frank Bush, 753 00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:17.599 maybe a Frank Bush, maybe a who else, you know, maybe Rick 754 00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:22.079 Lrose was that guy. I think. I think a guy who treads aligned 755 00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:25.559 very well is and Lopez. Yeah, he's a guy, and he I 756 00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:30.679 could imagine and in the locker room losing his mind. Next time we have 757 00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:32.519 a little we'll ask him about it, because he could be that way. 758 00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:37.559 But he was also successful because he had their attention. Yeah, No, 759 00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:40.039 that's right. You know, Andy Lopez is one. You know, like 760 00:51:42.519 --> 00:51:46.599 I think about Jerry Kindall and I'm not even sure where I would put him 761 00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:52.400 in that category. He was kind of the grandfather type and I don't think 762 00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:55.639 anybody was scared of him. But next time we have one of those millers, 763 00:51:57.679 --> 00:52:00.760 you know, when a player walked through a wall, Jerry Kendall, 764 00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:02.920 I don't know. Oh, I'm sure they would for the reasons that we 765 00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:07.159 talked about. Chip hailed that. You know, yeah, what made him 766 00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:10.440 so special as a coach and would you would you run for? They would 767 00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:14.239 say yes, of course, But what made him? What gave him the 768 00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:16.519 why? Yeah? What's the why? Right? Yeah? The why that 769 00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:21.760 is is what's interesting. I don't know. I don't know. But again, 770 00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:23.760 I think you can tell that the great coaches were those coaches, and 771 00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:29.199 the coaches didn't have that were the ones, the ones that do stay a 772 00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:32.320 long time and they win titles, still welcome, and they're the ones that 773 00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:37.079 are gone. And whether you're whether it's with an administration or the players, 774 00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:39.280 all right, good show, we settled it. I think we can. 775 00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:44.079 I think we can started, uh some sort of a consulting firm about how 776 00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:47.480 to be a coaching search. All right, hey, we're thanks for being 777 00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:51.760 here where. We're all set for tomorrow with a couple of great guests including 778 00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:57.679 uh Clancy Shields, Arizona Men's Tennant, so be sure to be back tomorrow. 779 00:52:57.719 --> 00:52:58.599 Will talk to you then