At a. Hey, everyone, thanks so much for joining us for this
special Saturday episode of the show. I really appreciate you listening as always in
can't thank you enough. For tonight's show, we plan to have both where
Wolf, Mike and David but come on. But for some reason, something's
happened to Dave. He hasn't shown up. I contacted him just about an
hour or so ago when he was all go. But like I said,
for some reason, he's not here. So we're gonna push forward with just
Mike and myself and do it that way. But having said that, let's
bring Mike in now. Mike, thanks so much for joining us. Thank
you very much for having me. Vick, thank you. Oh, you're
welcome. You are welcome. Mike. For the people who've missed the shows
you've come on and done in the past, please tell them about yourself.
My name is a Michael Wood fifty nine born in Manchester in ninety sixty four.
Grew up in Cheshire, which is a rural county in northwest England.
I was in the Army in the eighties and nineties and ever since then I've
been in a corporate security Mike, I'm going to ask the question that I
think probably nine to percent of the listeners are wondering about right now. Your
name is Ian Wood, but you go by werewolf Mike. Where did the
whole were wolf mic thing come from? That was given to me by Debbie
hatswell of being Believed Research BBR, which is one of the largest organizations in
this country, but they mainly research what we call what you would call sade
or sasquatch. Over here we call them wild men or vill VAUSA or Villevus.
And I sort of got into, uh, Debbie with that organization,
and she sort of christened me where a Wolf Mike. It's kind of stuck
since I didn't give that myself, that that was that wasn't a marketing employer
might be half that was? I was christened out by Debbie. That's funny.
That's one heck of a nickname. I'm just wondering, why call you
where Wolf Mike and not were Wolf? Ian? Well, okay, I
come from an old family and normally the first male born given the first name
Ian my grandfather Ian Malcolm, and then the middle name is normally taken as
the first name, and then Mike. They say it's Michael. Ah see
that makes good sense. Well, Mike, I'm just going to call you
Mike of course, for the course of the show here instead of being because
yeah, there is something about the way that flows off the tongue where Wolf
Mike has got a great ring to it. So I'm just going to do
it that way. But Mike, you've been busy since you came on the
show last time. What have you been up to. You've had some experiences,
Yeah, it was like recently since August last year. Basically due to
family concerns, I normally don't sort of get to get out weekend days,
so I'm having too early hours of the morning or early hours in the evening.
And of course, since we're in the normal northern hemesphere here, you
know, we're sunmise isn't until about half six seven o'clock. So when I'm
going to the woods is about four between four and four thirteen in the morning.
It's still pretty pitch black. And when I'm driving between two locations,
I stop off a place called Nooney Woods, which I normally visit weekends when
I'm back in running, and there's a like I say, there's a country
lane, dead Man's Lane and normally, I sort of stopped there for about
ten to fifteen minutes, have a walk around, and sometimes, you know,
an awful lot of nothing happens, and then sometimes, you know,
I get something like early January this year, I hear like this scraping sound
and it's you know, it's it's I thought it was dry leaves on the
tarmac road, and I realized, actually, you know, it's been it's
fairly damp, been raining the night before, and a lot of the leaves
are sudden and wet. And then whatever it is is actually walking around me,
and I quickly sort of catch on these these are like nails or claw
scraping the tarmac when it's walking around me. I mean, I couldn't see
it. I can say, are great wolves or where wolves or dog men
here have the ability to cloak? But I could hear it, and it
was very you know, a definitive scraping sound, and uh, excuse me
when I began to realize it was circling me because I was stood in the
middle of the road. It's the first time I've ever heard this sound.
But yeah, it's sort of like it kind of had me nervous, and
only I see like two or three minutes, and then I said, all
right, I've got to go because one thing I do when I do these
early morning trips, you know, I'm always constantly talking to them, even
though you know, I've got my torture and flashing into the undergrowth and in
the tree line having to spot them. I'm always continuously talking because you know,
I believe, like a lot of sasquatch researchers, you know, they
continuously talk in the woods, and you know, they believe that they can
hear the sort of verbal communication. So that's what I'm doing. And last
Friday morning, I made a short video and towards the end there was one
just to my right on the other side of the gate, and they had
two young ones, and I sent you the picture, you know, where
the head is clearly visible in between some bush and trees. But they had
a couple of young ones with it, and the younger ones just kind of
like dip down. It was so quick. But let's say, you know,
it's a flash in the light. You know, it kind of flashes
its teeth. You know, it's because it can't stand the light. It's
a bit of frustration. So that was last Friday, and then last November
I was visiting a place called a place called Glasshouse in Rocestershire, and it's
probably said in a previous episode it's a very speaky place. It's sort of
borders the Seven River, which is divided between England and Wales. And I've
been there a couple of years before, well actually before the outbreak of COVID
here in the UK, and i'd sort of visited a few times, maybe
two, three, four times, and you know, they were getting used
to me, and then we had the lockdown and I didn't sort of go
for a couple of years and November I can't remember which date slisely, but
it was a Sunday afternoon, and eventually went there and the place where I
go because it's quite a huge area again there's still Gate York around it,
and there's a pathway it goes up and then there's a full you go left
or you can go right. But this time I just decided to go right
because all previously this I'd always sort of turn left. So anyway, this
time I went right. And as you're walking up there's a they pushed the
tree right in the middle of the of the path and as I'm getting up
towards this tree, and I'm starting to getting this sense of foreboding, this
sense of push back, and it's sort of like, well, you know,
if you get over the tree, which I mean I did climb over
the tree, you know that that sense of feeling, that sense of disappointment,
you know, it was quite prominent. And because I promised that I
would come back to see them, and I hadn't been back, and I
just had this sense of real frustration with me, this sense of disappointment,
yeah again, the sense of like, you know, you promised to come
and see it, and I just find myself sort of saying, well,
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And I was there for about
forty five minutes, maybe fifteen minutes, and climb back over the log over
the tree. I'm walking down and I've got my phone camera in reverse,
so you know it's filming behind me. But as I get down towards the
junction, I turned around and there's one that, you know, just absolutely
blacker than black. It was about six seven foot tall and he was looking
at me, but on the video I recorded, you could just make out
the head pushing out of the bushes looking at me, so you know,
I promised to come back. I mean, I always leave some treats,
pork chops. I've started leaving pork chops now and sausages as opposed to sausage
rolls and bacon. So I've had an experience up at Melane. When was
that. Sorry, I'm just I'm just getting over had a really nasty cold
about a month ago. I just can't shake the coughs. So apologies for
any any interference. So anyway, I was up at Melane I go,
which is not far from my grandmother's house, and I've been going up there
sort of Saturday Saturday evenings, and again it's just dead quiet. Really,
it's a really speaky place. And I'd say sometimes you know, you can
hear like barking in the woods and you think, oh, maybe I ask
the deer. And there's a lot of partridges around there, which I used
for by the farmers for shooting parties that you know, come out. But
there's one time I was making a short video and after the right there was
like two or three cubs and off to the left there was an adult and
again, you know, I got this really high, high powered torch.
You know that can see right right through the foldage. And again, you
know, I get the flash of teeth, you know, the annoyance of
the fact that I'm shining this thing, this torchlight in the adult size.
Again you know you can and when it slide down the video you can don't.
It's got like gold and eye. But again you know that the lips
curl up and you can see the teeth. I get that light out of
my eye. But yeah, so really it's I've booked a day off work
this month and I'm hoping to get out and about in daylight hours, sort
of get into the tree line and get into the undergrowth and see what comes
sort of pops up. But lately it's just been sort of confined to early
morning hours. But the the very strange thing is the stillness, like dead
Man's Lane, May Lane, even going back to Glasshouse in Gloucestershire. The
I mean this, this this visit to Glasshouse was in broad daylight. But
again it's just that that heavy still miss that that oh, it's pretty hard
to describe. It's the like a heavy atmosphere that there's like a a quiet,
you know, surroundings that you know that someone makes you want to sort
of tread lightly. I can understand why you would want to tread lightly when
you know they're around. I'm wondering, Mike, you put yourself in their
presence so often. Do you think it's ever possible to fully trust these guys?
Maybe if you focused on one and kept going back to where this one
particular dogman was time after time. Do you think it's ever possible to have
a situation where you can actually trust a particular dogman. Uh, we'll put
this way overall. I know I've talked about I think in the first episode
I did with you, you know, I mentioned there were a couple of
moments where you know, I was absolutely petrified and in one spot I was
actually rooted. But so far, so good. I mean, they may
come an occasion where something might happen that could that you know, could lead
to me probably been taken down. But of all the places that I visited
or I've been to, either with associates or by myself, that there has
there has been you know, when you go to a new area and they
always seem to know that you're looking for them, and there always always this
sort of this push back like the projecting fear onto you like to make you
go away. I mean like first when I was in Nooney Woods. I
mean they put me through the ring like six eight months, and when they
realized I wasn't going to go away, they just sort of stepped back.
They sort of accepted it. And this is what I've said in some of
the agent you know, repetition is key. Once they think you're you're on
their side. I think things can be could be okay, but I'm sure
there might be a situation where there might be one that obviously acts and thinks
differently and could you know, it could be fatal. I mean it's not
like I'm off to the woods to you know, to see my canine friends.
I mean, if if I'm in an area where I do start feeling
a bit uncomfortable, I walk back, I walk away. Well for me,
in areas where I know where they are and they let me do my
thing, everything's good. But that's like places like Maylane Noony Woods laughs out
is a fifty to fifty situation. There's there's a wood outside Winsford and Cheshire
that I've been with David and a friend of his, Danny and they're more
curious than than aggressive. I mean, when I was up there with Danny
last March, we actually witnessed a tree being pushed over by one of these
things, and we were walking along the pathway and suddenly we just started seeing
this tree well back and forth, and then it just got pushed over,
and the thing was Danny and I accepted that it's just like normal, because
you know, we've sort of been doing this thing for quite a few years
now, so like in a way it didn't surprise us or we weren't like
in awe or like wow, that's amazing. Okay, it's pushing three over.
We'll carry on now. When Danny started going into these woods, I
mean, we've got some pictures. I mean there's some real I'm dingers,
I mean big, big, big ones around Winsford. And you know when
Danny started going in there originally, or Danny and David in these woods in
Winsford, Yeah, you know, they had a few blood charges and like
absolute fear of God being projected onto them. But you know, once they
realized that the guys weren't going to go away and they were leaving treats,
it's like a peace offering or is a gesture of goodwill, they kind of
take a step back. And I'm not saying there's like an ongoing working relationship
with these things, but there's like a give and take relationship. Now.
The one thing I've always found is that, especially a myn Uni Woods,
is that the cubs, like say I told you before, I've had incidents
where I'm sat down, I'm like a cup of coffee in a sandwich and
one of them just run right up to me and then run away. Or
in the one instance where I found a cup in their dan and I've left
it bacon, and you know over all weekend, you know the parents are
watching. So I was they had enough trusted me to get within three five
foot of this cup. I mean, I think if I tried to touch
it, I think I would have been chop Sue. I would have been
sushi for absolutely. But the fact that they allowed me to get that close
and take pictures of it shows a certain level of trust in me. But
whether that's just that group in Nooney Woods, because like I say, you
know, repetition is key, and obviously I'm just going there morning, evening
weekends, so you know, it must reach a point where they they know
me quite well Maylane. When I started going up there, that was I
was absolutely I was scared, but there was there was there was a feeling
of like, what the hell you're doing here? You know, we don't
want you here. But I kept going back and after a while there was
like a certain level of acceptance. Glasshouse, it was again a sense of
I could feel it straight away because there was a chap I think you've interviewed
in Dan Cooling and we were sort of messaging each other and I sat about
this pack in in Glasshouse, Gloucestershire. I said, would it be any
relation to the pack near you? And he said, it's one of the
same. They span both sides of the seven River and a person has gone
missing in the woods Glasshouse, and there was some missing person's posters posted up
and around one side of the woods near a public car park. But again
I think they seem to know that you're looking for them. They respond in
a way of like sometimes it feels like, how the hell do you know
that we're here? And two we're going to try and push you away because
we just want to be left alone. And then you know, you keep
going back and after all, well, it's almost like, well, okay,
he's a here, just get on with it, you know. But
there's I think the last time I told you, there was a situation in
December twenty eighteen when it was in Nooney Woods and there was one I was
just in a clearing and there was one that sticking its head up out of
the bush, and then I suddenly had this feeling there was one to my
left and there was one to my right. But they weren't in an offensive
or defensive posture, but they were in a way that they could switch to
it, you know, to an offensive posture or revert to a defensive stance.
But I just suddenly I felt that the one in front was a distraction.
And I think that's I think that's the only time where I've suddenly gone,
oh my god. You know, come on, wake up. You've
got to keep on your toes. You've got to keep looking left and right,
up and down, because you know, you know, sometimes it's like
you get to a point where you get complacent because you get so used to
it, you get so used to them, and there's just always that one
opportunity where you suddenly realized that I'm on they're sort of psyching you out,
or they they're testing you. Now, it was strange that it took me.
I mean, it didn't take me forever, but you know, it
took me a couple of things to realize what was going on, because I've
heard so many times, like from previs from previous shows that i'd listened to
sort of twenty fifteen twenty sixteen period where you know, like there was one,
especially like from the North American experiences where oh, there was one stood
there. Then I realized there was like two or three more to my left
and right behind me. So it's almost like the one in front of a
diversion and the other two are obviously in a sort of semi ambush position where
they could think, right, okay, he or she is a threat and
that's it. But I've had the one experience where I found some tracks and
I I just sort of felt, you know, obviously it was great.
I was quite excited finding these tracks, and that was falling, and I
suddenly I had this feeling that whatever it was, you know, it was
like two hundred meters in front of me, and it was absolutely hungry and
it was going to eat and kill whatever but still I thought, Okay,
I'm half But sometimes I like to think that it was kind of warningly,
this this sense of fear that was overwhelming me. It was like, as
I got closer, it was like, look, I'm so hungry, I'm
just going to eat anything that comes across my path. So I like to
think that maybe I was being warned to go away. But yeah, I
think they may come a day where I just now, no matter how much
experience you gain or well from what others have to say, who knows.
I mean, they might come a point where I just completely read a situation
the wrong way, and you know, something might happen to me. Y's
sorry. I think that's the long, most long winded answer I could give
to that one. No, it's a good answer. I just hope that
that never does happen to you, Bud. You know it is. You
could be wiped out walking across the street walking your dog. So you never
really do know the questions already pouring in for you, Mike. The first
one would be from truth Iris and they want to know what's your vocation?
Well, hobby, your job? Oh, corporate security. I'm a shift
supervisor. I work Monday to Friday, two hours a week in an office
complex in running and when you're not doing that, you're out there chasing those
dogmen around. Absolutely. Amen. Good in mand I've got another one for
you from Alice. Alice wants to know. And by the way, Alice,
you didn't put your question in all caps. I almost missed it.
Everyone, if you have a question for Mike, please be sure to put
it in all calves. That way, I won't miss it. But Alice's
question is do you think dog men and bigfoot have any sort of relationship with
each other? I'm sorry, any sort of relation with each other. I've
heard. I've heard, like you know, the witnesses like on your program,
where they've been seeing cooperating with each other. But I firmly believe,
certainly in this country that great wolves here take sort of young or juvenile sasquat
here is food. And I've never heard of an account here in this country
where both have seen cooperating or in some sort of social relationship with each other.
But that's not to say that that they do. I'm pretty sure maybe
in North America Canada there is some sort of level of cooperation, but I
think here the wolves will eat sort of young or juvenile save sasquatch people.
I mean north of ready. Sorry, there's definitely like a demarcation line in
the woods where the wild men stay on one side and the walls stay on
one side of this sort of like borderline, this demarcation line. Yeah.
Sorry, Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you were done. Please continue.
Yeah, I got to say, because I mean in eight years since
I've been doing this, I mean I've seen the sasquatch or well housed people
up in the woods on one side. I've seen them seven times in eight
years, but they never seem to be further south of a particular market,
which is a footpath actually a wood trail, and I've never seen them south.
And they seem to be there between sort of January February March going into
April, and then they seem to leave this area and the walls the canines
come back in, because I think it's a heavily populated canine area, but
the uptick in canine activity so it's sort of like late April May, and
that's when the first cubs appear. What you said about it, I'm sorry,
please continue. I thought you were done. No, no, no,
no, carry on back, no please, heah, go on.
What you said about them normally not mixing. That's how it is over here
in the United States for the most part. Every once in a while you
have a credible eye witness come forward and report seeing them together. But that's
very, very rare in most cases. It seems like over here, just
like over there, they seemed to mix like oil and water. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, I think so too. I mean there's I mean,
I've listened to people that obviously have communication with Sasquatch, and you know,
they've sort of communicated to people that they don't like the wolf people, as
they call them, So I would assume that there is a certain indifference between
the two. But I personally in the UK, I've never heard or witnessed
a meeting or a grouping, but certainly from my own experience north of Reading,
they definitely seem to sort of stay apart from each other and then come
into late late spring, let's say, the people here, they seem to
go somewhere else and then the canines literally have full control or run of all
of the woods where I go to. So that just makes researching that much
better for you. He does. Yeah, that's a good thing. The
next question up would be from UFO Drone Guy and he wants to know or
is saying either Mike, have you ever had an encounter in or near the
Yessex area southeast UK? Oh? No, there is. There is a
lot of activity. I mean, especially the big cats, the big felines,
you know, the leopards and the panthers. A lot of cats down
there, big cats. I believe that there is Suffolk on the other side
of the Thames Estuary, so you're going into obviously Essex, Suffolk, Cambridge.
There's a lot of canine activity north of the terms Estuary and then on
the south side so when you're going into Kent that way again there's an awful
lot of big cat activity. But I think most of the canine activities certainly
Norfolk and Suffolk, but Essex is you get a lot of wild man activity
down there as well as the sort of panther and the leopards, a lot
of big cat activity down there. It sounds to me like you have these
guys mapped out pretty effectively. Yeah, yeah, No, there's a couple
of there's a couple of guys here who well, actually you know before before
the I mean the wild Man, you know, the Saturday of the sasquatch
type person in the UK. Is that is rich in English oral and written
history. But also so the big cats, and I mean there were wolves
are the great Wolves. They've always been sort of put on on the back
burner. But certainly regarding the big cats and the wild Man, you know,
there's there's there's a lot more sort of oral and written tradition in English
folklore in history as opposed to the canine, so that there's a lot of
It's certainly an awful lot to go on, you know, if you want
to follow the big cats and that there are in fact there I think that's
two two big Cat associations, the track and map these things. But there's
one guy called Jonathan. I've got his surname, but he's I'm pretty sure
some of the more English listeners when they listen to the show, we realize
who I'm talking about because he's he was famous for making a cookery book on
roadkill. He he goes throughund some of the country raids collecting roadkill and he
cooks it, and I think he did a roadkill recipe cookbook. But he's
been interviewed a few times. Jonathan McGowan. It's his name, Jonathan McGowan,
and I think he's probably the best big cat expert that we have in
this country. And you've got a website. I'm pretty sure if you just
google Jonathan McGowan big cats, you'll find it pretty easily. But if you
know, if you want proof positive, go to that guy's website. But
yeah, and then regarding the bigfoot, well, our English bigfoot you've got
obviously BBR Debbie Hatswell, you've got the winter Hill Group. They're on Facebook.
But I think the only no, I would say, I'm going to
be blowing my own trumpet here, but I think the only group dedicated to
English great wolves or were wolves or dog men is what I call the t
g w A. It's the Great Wolf Association. It's only about eight or
nine members, but we have an awful lot of associates in Germany and here
in the UK, Ireland and Scotland who are primarily more dedicated to researching and
logging and reporting canine activity in this country. You know, yeah, sorry,
no, I'm sorry, please after you. I was going to say,
because you find a lot of activity is more centered towards the sort of
wild man the big foot sort of theme. But you know, to sort
of say which in a way is more believable as to sort of saying,
well, by the way, you know, there's like walking canines in this
country as well. Yeah, which is I think a harder pill to swallow
than saying that there's a wild man living in the woods, which I think
is more acceptable to a lot of people. Oh, it definitely is.
It definitely is. Sounds like you've got the UK pretty well covered with researchers
if anything happens. I don't think that there would be a researcher that far
from where it occurred, at least that's how it sounds. Well, it's
well, a couple of them are law enforcement and their rural police officers,
and there's a couple in Germany. But essentially that there's obviously David and Danny
in Cheshire. There's some people I can't name simply because of their their jobs,
because you know they're sort of tied in with the sort of local government
type work and you know there is a penalty, you know, lots of
earnings and lots of pension, which were a subject which really officially doesn't exist
for a creature that belongs in myth you know, it's it's I know one
instance, uh you know, the guy said they'd lose, he'd never work
in this country ever. So it's it's actually, it's actually trying to One
of the worst things is actually, I know David tried this, you know,
trying to get farmers to open up. And I think we've only I
think David and Danny, I think found one guy found a farmer outside Winsford.
This is going back a couple of years, and this is what David
related to me, was that a farmer thought a bull was out in the
field. You know, he got out of its paddock and it was just
wandering around the field. So you can already imagine the size of this thing
if it's about the size of a full grown ball. So hops over the
fence, starts walking towards what he thinks is his bull, trying to get
it back into the paddock. He says. As he's getting closer and closer
to it, he suddenly stands up on two legs and he's thinking, that
ain't no effing ball, he said. He looks more like a massive dog.
But it stood on two feet and then it starts walking towards him slowly,
and he said, this thing was huge. He said he couldn't sort
of yes, it's height, but it was big. And he said,
I just you know. David said that the farmer just turned around and just
walked back as quickly as he could back to his vehicle on the road.
I got over the fence, he says. As he turned around, he
said, this thing we'd gone back and all fours and gone into the woods.
Imagine how shot that farmer must have been. Oh yeah, wow,
here you think it's a ball and it stands up and this is as big
as a ball on two legs. They grew to be twelve feet around here
in the States. How big did they get over there? Do you know?
Oh? Well, I think we've had we've got the standard issue seven
to eight foot US. But I would say the insomniac Chap who reported to
you in October twenty seventeen, he saw one where he saw his in Redding
was actually on the sunn edge of Noon near woods, and that was ten
foot. I've come across one where this I think this is May twenty eighteen,
and I like to say I should drive this scode to Octavia. It's
a five door family saloon. One point eight later, A park up and
walking to an open an open area before I hit the tree line. And
as I'm walking up to the tree line, I look over to my right.
It's a beautiful hot day, so the tree canopy is pretty hanging over.
It's low to the ground, lots of shade, and I just noticed
the side of the head because it's got a jowl. I can see the
left side of the head, the ear and the head must have been there
been about three foot across easy, and this thing is looking at me.
I went, you're all right, mate, I said, I'll tell you
what I said. I'm going back to the car and I'm going home,
okay. So I turn around, get in the car and I waked.
I wait for him to pop up, and I took about two three pictures
and I left. So that was a Saturday. He went back on the
Sunday and I found the area where he'd been lying down. So he must
have crept from under the tree all the way through the grass before he stuck
his head up to have a look at me. And I measured it and
in terms of width and length. It was the same size as my car.
And this thing must have been about I would must have been about twelve
foot easy. Well, I mean, I mean, I've found a sixteen
inch print, but the biggest one I've ever found was twenty two inches.
And I wrack this belonged to what I called the Big Boss. And I
only ever managed to get it back to two photos of him in seven years.
And he looked he like I said, he was about the side if
you look up the side of a four ton Bedford Army truck British Army,
a four ton Bedford truck, that's how big he would have been on foot
all fours Yeah, and I mean this this thing, h he looked like
he'd seen it, done it, repeat, seen it, done it repeat.
He had a look in his face like he just couldn't give a flying
f anymore. He was just too long on the two to get excited about.
He just looked like really he was. He just looked ready to leave
this mortal cord. He had a really really tired look about him. You
know, I'm sure he had seen him done everything. And when you're that
big and you're a dog man, I don't think you have to worry about
much trouble. I think everything else breaks does whatever they can, they get
the heck out of your way. At least if they have any common sense
they would. Oh yeah, I mean he December twenty eighteen. It was
the first time I saw him, and I think the following year was probably
April March or April twenty nineteen. I was walking. I was in Neoniey
Woods, walking along this wide path around to the right, and he was
up there, sat on the ground, sort of half in and out some
bushes. I was about friend of the mates. I took a picture of
him, and I went to the picture, I looked up. He was
gone, Well, he just had this. He just had this real,
really really tired look about him, really really long in the two he probably
was ready to check out and move on to the next phase if he's been
around there, so you're probably right about that. I've got another question for
you, Mike from UFO Droom Guy. His question is, Mike, do
you have Mike did you have a bad encounter in Tetford Forest? Oh yeah,
jeez, yeah, oh my god. Yeah. One one. It
was a weekend and I had there was four ok, I wanted to visit.
Now, from Reading to Thetford it's about four and a half hour drive,
so I left it about half three in the morning, and I was
my idea. My plan was to spend an hour in each location. There
was four locations, and Thetford Forest is just like, as soon as you
get out there, you're just you know, something not right with that place.
I was on my toes the whole time. And there was a location
where when I stopped for lunch and I had something thrown at the car.
I sat in the car on the lunch and this thing landed plumb dead center.
I nearly pulled my plants because I was already very nervous. But on
the last location I wanted to visit, there was there was some structures and
about maybe maybe one hundred meters or so to my right there was a structure
and all I could see was a pair of golden eyes looking back at me
and like a black shape. And I did take a picture, but I
could see this thing. I thought, you know, it's time to check
out. I'm going home. But yeah, Deptford Forest, it's just like
you're just on your toes the whole time. It's just a weird place.
I mean Randallsham. I think it's about seventy eighty miles south. You know
Randallsham, the UFO encounter over the US Air Force personnel back in the early
nineteen eighties. It's down there. I mean it Suffolk, Norfolk is a
weird place. I mean, I think it's one of the most famous encounters
for a dog manwolf fifteen seventy seven. There's a village and forty four people
were killed inside the church by one of these things. Apparently it was like
one of the worst storms of storms in recorded history, and this dog man
first into the church and whether it was scared of the lightning sheet lightning storm,
because all the people were in the church, point that God opened to
go away and this thing first in and I think killed about forty three people,
forty four people. But the thing is the claw marks are still on
the inside of the church store to this day. Wow. So and it's
not far from an abbey. Again, this is in Suffolk. They were
excavating. I know abby has been abandoned for about a thousand years, but
in one of the graves where the monks were buried, they found the remains
of a cane nine that was seven foot tall. Huh. I wonder where
that could have been indeed. Yeah, wow, that's pretty amazing. I've
got another question for you from Lena Grin Sliot Grins Late yet, and her
question is, have you had some pictures which you've taken disappear from your camera?
Umm? No, but I've had videos. I mean, I've got
a small YouTube channel, nothing exciting nor sing to shout about. But I've
had videos because i did not upload for about nearly three years because one time
I had twenty one videos, and then I had sixteen videos. I had
five videos go missing, and then there was twenty videos. So four have
been put back, but there was one that was never a return and I
just thought, oh my god, I'll leave it. I've had pictures where
one of the best ones I ever got was you know I told you about
where one June Saturday evening, I was going to go out camping and there
was nine of them waiting for me, which had never happened to me before.
And then I went to another location and I've got four of them walking
in all fours Indian, in single file, and they the way they looked
was exactly like the one from all those guys that used to mountain monsters?
Did you remember that, those chaps, those you know, the guys I'm
talking about. How can I forget? But there was one, there was
one farmer who had this seven foot black canine come out of a woodshed and
they were exactly like that, beautiful, beautiful things. And you know,
I was showing my messes and I said, look at that. That is
awesome. I was. I was so amazed. You could see four of
them clearly defined, one behind the other. And then the picture started to
fade. All you can see now is just a fake outline of them.
But on the evening, you know, obviously, when when I got back
home, she's like, oh, so you know, if you're scared,
oh yeah, yeah, get the rabbit. I was like, well yes,
And then I showed of the picture and she was like, because you
know she really wasn't into it, you know she will too. She was
like, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, sit down and have a
cup of T shirt. And then I showed her this picture. She was
like, oh my god, yeah, you can see them clearly. And
I appeared as days the picture started to fade, I was you can see
the first one just about but the other three almost gone. And that well,
I've never had pictures taken off my phone. No, I've had videos
taking off my channel and then put back after a period of time. But
one has been permanently taken off. It's a shame you have to worry about
that. You go through all the work to take these pictures and collect evidence
and then something like that happens. It really is a shame. Yeah,
got another question from you from the Blood VIPA and his question is, Mike,
what would you say was the most terrific encounter that you've had and where
was it? Oh? That was ok, the one, the one where
I was absolutely doing it. I mean I said earlier I mentioned on a
previous show where I found these wonderful tracks and I'm following them and I suddenly
got this urge that there's something two hundred meters ahead of me and it was
hungry and it didn't give a flying fig what it was. It was going
to kill and eat it, and I was I was absolutely petrified. And
there was another time February twelve. That's why this is when I had three
of them. And excuse me, that Sunday morning back nine point thirty third,
twelve, twenty seventeen. Get out of the car. I'm feeling pretty
bulliant, actually I was. I am literally like four months into the hobby,
and for some reason, I was feeling pretty complacent. I walked down
the gate along some monk ground on one just came out of the undergrowth on
my left, and it was moving from left right, and it went up
on two legs and turned left into the tree line, and I was absolutely
to the spot it could have There was once my left chase chasing a pheasant
and I heard it get caught. I heard it like the bones being crunched,
and then there was one behind me across the road that barked so loud.
That's what snapped me out of there. But when I saw this thing
get out of the undergrowth from left to right, I was I was absolutely
doing it. I was absolutely petrified, and I was rootly to the spot
in fear. I couldn't move. But when this thing, the third one
behind me barked, it snapped me out of it. And that's when I
went back to the car. I sat there for about ten minutes. After
right, I put my big boy pants on and I took some pictures,
and that's when I noticed that the seven that I took, in three or
four of them, there was like this black dot that was getting bigger and
bigger and bigger. And it was the one that I had come up from
my left and on all fours and then went up on two legs and turn
left, so basically circled all the way back around and was coming up on
my right to check on me. I mean, I've had I I mean,
say, you can go to a place like Thattford or Glasshouse. I
mean the first even even going up to Canic Chase the first time, you
can just feel like this vibe that there's something really off about these places.
But Glasshouse, yeah, kind of on your toes that forest. I would
go back there one day, but I'm not in a rush to get back
there, Let's put it that way. If I did, I'd go with
a busload of tourists just for safety. Now I understand, I've got one
for you from Hades Pucci, which is, Mike, have you ever investigated
in Dorset at all one time? I know, I know there's a lot
goes on down there, and I think there's a very famous picture of one
that there's a big black one. It's on all fours and it was a
school teacher. I took a picture of it and she said it was about
the size of our bison at her words. I think there's even a video
of one running alongside a car, I think along one of the a roads
down in Devon going to Cornwall. And I think the only known death attributed
to one of these was a woman that died of shock after two dogs were
slaughtered in nineteen ninety six down that way. But there's certainly, yeah,
there's certainly a lot of activity down there. I've been down there once for
a long weekend, but there's just not enough time to get around and sort
of get to some of these. Okay, you really need to get a
week off. If I was to do Devon or even the three counties,
which is I think Worcestershire, Goucestershire and Shropshire, I think you need about
like two weeks to really get around and investigate. And certainly if you're going
to drive down to Devon, Cornwall, Somerset, I mean there's a lot
of activity in Somerset as well. For someplace like Devan, you would you
would need at least probably a good week sort like two weekends five days Monday
at the Friday and then two Saturday Saturdays. But you would have you would
have to be on the road pretty early to eight nine at night. That
is a lot of time to set aside to research. So yeah, I
know you're said than done. I've got another question for you. I guess
it's a comment from blood Vipe, but he says, I think sasquatch and
dog men move around. The only one of them isn't anyone places at any
time. Well, I got with a knee activity. I mean the opposed
to take the Ninny Woods pack. They are there all the time that there's
like the last week of December in each year, they like ninety percent of
them just seemed to go somewhere. A whitch team to this day, I
don't know. It seems to be like a rare guard stays behind just to
keep an eye on the place, and then come April early May time they're
all back. I've noticed that the male's sort of end of January February start
cropping up. Then the females come about a month later when they're ready to
give birth. But as a whole like last week of December. Like sometimes
there's just nothing happen. There's just like no activity, and they just see
all seem to go somewhere. I really don't know where they go. So
for the wild men end of March, they seem to move somewhere else,
but they're sort of out towards going strictly Pangborn on the probably on let me
see, Yeah, they'd be on the north side of the Thames terms rubber.
But to me that there certainly seems to be like a a border demarcation
zone for the both of them. So I would say that the canines here
seem to be territorial, you know, they seem to be fixed in one
territory. I really couldn't give an answer as to if a save sasquatch while
meant it, if they move around, or if they're territorial, because I
say that's that's not really my main area of focus of attention or research.
Well, they can't be held against you. I mean, south squads rowfully
hard to pattern, just like dog men, it's really hard to deal.
I've got another one for you from just Andy. His question is do they
prefer colder climates? Would you see them in Spain or France. Oh,
they they're certainly in Spain, in southern Spain. I don't know where.
It's Morocco or two Narsia where they're actually officially recognized as part of their wildlife.
I know they're certainly in Afghanistan. I mean, they're all over the
place. They Hindu Cush India. I mean, I talked to a couple
of former Royal Marines that did tours of duty in Afghanistan, and you know,
like one of them said, you know where they're firebase was most nights
used to get ten or twelve and just walk walking under the floodlights of the
camp and you know, outside the front of the camp, and he said,
what was curious to the last one used to stop, turn around and
look up, look up at them, you know, just like total curiosity
on the face, and then they just walk off, he said. But
they would always do this in all force. I mean, they're certainly down
in southern Spain, Grenada, eastern and southeastern France. They're in the Voge
right up in the north as well, certainly in Germany and western down in
the southeast and the northwest. But they're everywhere that's how they are over here.
They're all over the place, and it really doesn't come as any surprise
to hear that that's how it is over there as well. I've got another
one for you from Blood Vipa. He wants to know, Mike, I've
had encounters in snow in Cornwall. Have you ever investigated there? Snow Donia
that's Cornwall, No, snow Donia. I've been to Southern Wales twice so
how We Forest and I was put in contact with a chap that lives ten
ten miles southwest of I've got the name of the town, but it's it's
it's near so how We Forest that I've had two encounters there, but certainly
snow Donia. I know Dean Cooling has had an encounter up there. This
Welsh guy that I talked to that had his encounter ten miles southwest of Howie
Forest. He was a hospital worker and that really and he was just out
walking, you know, for Sunday stroll and this thing just start right up
in front of him less than ten feet and it freaked him out. Well,
I'll bet that did freak him out. I can understand why. I
it's just you know, it's just like I've got this ready long to do
list. I mean, i want to go back up to Scotland. I'm
going up to Yorkshire in May, back up to danes Dyke and where Old
Stinker rhymes. I'm hoving to do some I've got a week off in March,
so there's a couple of locations and one of as it then. But
it's just like the only way I could get a lot more traveling, a
lot more research done, is if I was to retire early and get out
there and Monday the Friday driving up and down and do it that way.
But at the moment, like I say, you know, I'm to work
and you know, with family issues, it's pretty hard at the moment.
I certainly had to curtail a lot of my workload in terms of research since
August last year. But if the opportunity arises, I mean, if I
was to get back down to Cornwall Devon a ward, but I think the
only way I would really get back to a lot, like I mean,
I've not even had a good chance to go up to North Wales. Well
there's a lot of activity, or even Mid Wales, but it's just really
like Lincolnshire. I want to go back to Suffunck. But yeah, the
only way would be to take early retirement, and that way I could I
could get to all these places Monday, Friday, week and weekend. Well,
as you know, they're not going anywhere. Whenever you are ready to
retire, they're going to be here, So no big on that at all.
The next one up on deck is from Shila R. And Sheila's question
is you're very brave knowing one of these times could be your last? Is
it worth it? Yes? Well that didn't take you long to answer.
That's good. Well I absolutely Well, like I said before, if it
does, if it does come to some sort of fightful ending, I just
hope I got to go to Valhalla. You know, it better be worth
it. That's all I can say. Hopefully that won't happen, But if
one does take you out, just imagine the conversations. You're probably gonna be
talking to a guy who is going to tell you about dying from choking on
a ham sandwich and then was your turn. Your story is going to be
so much more interesting. Yeah, I would say I can beat that,
no problem. Yes, you will be able to if that happens, which,
like I said, hopefully I won't. But the next one up for
you is from Ramsey Morris, and Ramsey's question is what is your opinion on
them being extraterrestrial? Oh? Um, okay. I I think personally,
I think they're earth bound, their flesh and blood, they come with the
whole box of tricks. But I think the mechanics of how they came to
be here may have had or may have been a result of outside interference.
But I don't think they are extraterrestrial. I think they are of this Earth.
They've been around a long time. But how they came to be the
way that they are, I now begin to believe that they are a result
of outside influence. Same as the Sale. Well, I know that there's
an awful lot of I know Scott Carpenter before he sadly passed away. You
know, he did a book that was based on DNA research, and you
know the ninety percent is female, and like ten or six percent of the
sasquatch male. DNA is of unknown origin, but that the level of bioengineering
required would have meant something as an outside source. And I think the same
applies to the dog Man. Great wolf were wolf. I mean even if
you go to the early legends, I mean a Native American, you know,
a coyote spirit tricking the creator, you know, to making them like
a man. Or a king got his name, King Lysis of Arcadia,
tricking Zeus into eating meat that turned out to be his dead son, and
is his punishment, he turned them into a man wolf. So again,
you know, there's that sort of inference that there is some sort of sort
of bioengineering by a greater power or a greater authority. But I certainly come
to for me, they are of this earth, the flesh and blood,
biological. They can do a great many things which a lot of people would
think would be considered supernatural. But how they came to be I think was
the result of outside influence, something from above. You just might be right,
you never know. The next one up is from the sober Carper and
they want to know where they can see your pictures. Oh, bbr.
I used to post on that there's a few UK dog Man sites. I
mean I've sent you some, Vick. I'm not currently a member of any
Facebook dog Man UK page. I mean I do run a private group on
telegram, but no there are there are pictures on different Facebook sort of cryptid
groups. Doug Man UK BBR. I got our own sort of YouTube channel.
Like I say, it's it's no big big thing. I mean I
do say I'm there a couple of times on some of the videos. So
if you have the ability to download them, you can slow them down to
like literally frame a second and you'll see them because they'll move so quick.
When you run the video at normal speed, you just think I'm out making
fantastic videos of English countryside. But if you slow them down here you go
them frame by frame, you'll see them pop up because they're that quick.
I'm sure the answer is going to be no. But would you mind if
I posted a link to YouTube channel in the description for tonight's show, No,
no, no, you carry on alsome? Thank you? Oh you're
welcome. Yet it's the least I can do. Well, I'm going to
do that. Then I'm going to post that length and to make it really
easy for the listeners to visit your channel and take a look at your evidence.
Then, yeah, Phil, feel free to make any comments. I
mean, you know you did a few negative comments, but you know it
doesn't phase me. Yeah, yeah, it's kind of what you expect in
some ways, at least to a certain degree. So oh, yeah,
and I understand. The next one up is from Josie Maine Kuhn, and
her question is do you think the trio cam videos and pictures of dog men
are real or fake? Oh? That's a good one. Uh, do
you know? From what I've seen, one or two of them might be
a bit iffy. But I think overall cam track, because I know they
can see the infrared. I think a lot of the camp trail stuff is
real. But there are one or two where you could actually sort of go
that doesn't look right, you know, it doesn't look like someone's you know,
trying their best to spin a yard. But now that is an excellent
question. But yeah, I think I would say a vast majority of a
good portion of trail cam film more photos are genuine. And then there are
some that are a bit are a bit, say the least. Yeah,
some are very dodgy unfortunately. Yeah. Hey, it looks like Yvonne Marshall's
in the chat in the live chat room. Yvonne, thanks so much,
as always for listening. She said that she's been tuning into the show since
twenty eighteen, and I believe it. I've been seeing her comments for a
long time now. Oh wow, Yeah she's from Yeah, she's from Cornwall,
all right, she is all right. The next one up is from
UFO Drone Guy, and he wants to know, Mike, have you ever
been followed because of your involvement with dog men by the government. Yeah.
Now, I think I've mentioned this on the first episode I did, or
maybe the second. But yeah, there was a period where twenty nineteen twenty
twenty, I had some I was definitely followed on three occasions. Don't gonna
be sure. We had an envelope of white powder. My dad had a
phone call saying I was in hospital when I wasn't. I've been in an
accident and I was on life support. Always always crap, Yeah, I
mean, I mean even one time when I was getting fueled from a car
here in Whitney, I went into paying I was walking out. There's a
silver beam of silver at the n W five series with two dudes sating it
looking at me, and I was just like, oh my god, I
say, you know, can you be obvious as you are? And they
drove off but they were Yeah, they were eyeballing me. But I know,
I know the people have had weird and wonderful experiences. Yeah, I
can only imagine the people have contacted you. I've got another question for you
from Chiumen and Chiuman wants to know. Hi. Mike Any Kennon reports from
Gloucestershire. Gloucestershire County, Forest of Dean. Oh God, yeah, yeah,
I mean that's what I'm saying. Glasowse is in Gloucestershire. It's I
think it's about eight nine miles. Let me see east of the Forest of
Dean. My sister lives down there, the structures Forest of Dean. It's
the same pact that goes into Sahowie Forest and up into the Bracken Beacons.
I would say that that the big a lot of them are predominantly jet jet
black. But Glasshouse, Yeah, yeah, Gloucestershire is like, uh,
there's a chapters of the video the three Counties were wolf. Let's say I
think it's Gloucestershire, Worcestershire and Shropshire is the three counties. But yeah,
the Glasshouse, Gloucestershire. If you can get down there and have a walk
around there, yeah, there's there's a few in there. If anyone would
know, you would so person definitely. Oh yeah, yeah, Gloucestershire is
like real, I like a real hotspot for them. Oh no, I
believe it. Like I said, you would know, you definitely would.
What about out of time before we get out of here, though, Mike,
do you have any those and comments you like to put out there for
us? Uh? Well, I just hope Dave's all right. I wish
you could have made it and yeah, just just many thanks for having me
back on BAB. It's been wonderful as always, and thanks to everybody with
all the questions. Yeah, thanks very much for having me. Well,
thanks so much for coming back. Yeah. When I put it out there
that you're going to be coming back on to do this live stream, there's
a lot of interest and you know, I shouldn't come as a surprise to
anyone because with all of your experiences, you're very interesting. Listen. I
just hope you keep doing what you do and you never give up and you
never have any issues out there when you are beating the bushes, because it
goes without saying. You're obviously a good man and I wish the best for
you, thank you very much. Thanks. Oh, you're welcome. Thanks
again for your time, Mike, and have a great night, sir.
Thank you, brother. Thanks, we'll see you. Good night. Good night m