Hey, everybody, welcome to Rose Pricks. So it's Thursday. It's a
vander Pump Rules time. Time to rehash vander Pump Rules. But we're doing
something a little different. Cecily and I have a special guest. Her name
is Meredith Lynch. She's like a pop culture personnel who's has a huge TikTok
following two hundred and twenty seven thousand followers on TikTok. That's crazy. And
you must have started out like what want you start out with one? Right?
You have one TikTok follow and you're like, yeah, space Bar,
space Bar, who has no profile pictures. Space Bar has been with me
since like the very beginning, and like, I feel like this a really
weird pair of social relationship with them. I don't know their gender, but
they're like, yeah, I've liked you since, Like you put up a
video that was just like you talking about your dad. I'm like, thank
you, but yes, Like I you know, I started doing makeup videos
and then I was like, wait, what the fuck am I doing?
The only thing I care about is pop culture. So I started doing pop
culture videos and it's it's a lot of fun. And you had a one
video that was about Bethany Frankel, and if you guys want to hear the
story about that, things went sideways and there's a whole story behind it,
and we talked about it on Patreon. Meredith was kind enough to stay and
do some extra stuff with us. So that's coming out tomorrow and get on
our Patreon. Here the whole sorted Bethany Frankel's story. But both of you
two are real into Vanderpump roles. I mean yeah, and we were just
kind of staying in our failed experiment before. Like I'm Stephanie's not as much.
I'm the one that kind of forced her to do Vanderpump Thursdays, and
like I'm so much like I will go to shorts and Sandy's in a mustache
and a like a hat, like full on incognito to get intel as it
sounds like you do as well, like I will get up in it.
Well, I saw Arianna yesterday. We'll get to that. But I am
with you, but I do have a very important question for you, Cecily
the banner pomp role. The Swartz and Sandy's website is very bare bones,
with the exception of the listing of the dress code, which is business casual.
So I'm just curious, Oh my god, bring your best coals outfit,
Like, I am so glad you asked that question because I had completely
forgotten about that when I talked about it. So I brought a friend of
mine and he was like, Okay, I don't know what this is or
the show or anything, but I looked on the website and it says business
casual. We're both googling what that means. I'm like, what is it
like a Thursday office? Thursday office? I know flats, I could not.
I have no idea what that is. I put on like my slinkiest
I never I don't even think I sent Stephanie a picture, but like slinkiest
black dress but I could afford. So of course it's not like it's not
like Channel, but everybody wears slinky black dresses to the office. I thought,
So that's what I said. I was trying to look really, really
cute, and I was like, kind of wear a black dress because what
if there's paparazzi. I don't know what I was thinking. My friend full
on wore like a shirt, like a nice shirt, Like he's like,
do I do a time, like, please, don't do a time,
We'll look ridiculous. Don't do that. So no, it is not enforced.
Everyone in there is wearing like you know how the baseball hats that don't
have the flat rim they're not like the curve like when stefan I grew up
their curved the flat rimmed kind of ky fed baseball hats, t shirts,
chains and jeans. That is not business casual. It is in the place.
Was nobody was there. You did not need a reservation. We went
in and finally after like I had the lobster rolls and all the like stuff
that you had to have that they sand of all talked about all season.
I asked somebody there. I won't say who it is to protect them,
but I asked them, I'm like, give give me the scoop. And
this was back in April that I did this. I was like, what's
going on? Where is everybody? Tell me? And this person was like,
okay, first of all, Rachel Roquel, Rachel is not in rehab.
There she in Sandival. Are in as as this person said, in
a fuck resort. They're just fucking in a resort. And then the other
and then this person said everybody else was so nice. Arianna's a dream,
Katie's a dream. M Schwartz is slimy but not as bad as Sandival as
we know all that, But the biggest thing was that Sheina, according to
this person, is the meanest person they've ever met, like awful, terrible,
would like not tip, would the wait staff. Oh, and the
nicest is Kristen. Was kind of shocking. But Kristen, come, you
know, Kristen's still inserting herself in everything. She just doesn't film anymore.
That's it. Unless they asked, well, I think she lives nearby too,
because I mean that's the thing. I think that maybe people don't realize
you both are in La. I'm in La. It's like it is so
fucking neighborhood based, right, yeah, Like, yes, I would be
friend with anybody if they lived like down the street for me. So of
course Kristen's like rolling in. She's like in the Nike slide, She's like,
I gotta be nice. I live in Valley Village now, Yes,
and yes, and she's friends with Arianna. I mean they are genuine friends,
like against all odds. So but it was the sheen of stuff.
I was told that Gina. You know the her fake ponytail. You know
that's all fake that, None of that's real, None of that hair is
real. So apparently she'd come in and she'd like whip the ponytail and like
hit wait staff with it for some reason for real. So that was my
intel so far. But we'll keep on it. We're all we're all on
it. We'll go somewhere else next. We got it. Well, obviously
something about her if it ever opens. So let me ask you to something.
Yes, I agree. Yes, are you guys experiencing any Vanderpump burnout?
Meredith? What do you think? Honestly? Somebody actually posed this question
to me today. It's really brought down to the vibe. No, I
think I think you would still appreciate this. Somebody said to me today,
like, won't they just go away already? And you know I will die
on the hill that Like, I don't really think you need to be like
that about reality TV. It's not your taxes. If you don't want to
do it, you don't have to do it, right, So I said
to this person, because God knows, I don't have time to do anything,
but I have time to respond. I said, Okay, what's what's
the alternative here, Kardashians. I don't want to watch the Kardashians, Okay,
And then if you're saying I'm sick of reality TV because I already know
what the response is going to be, then what is it? Gwyneth Paltrow
wearing a six hundred dollar polyester dress, trying to convince us that, like
this is the move, Like I would rather watch James Kennedy and Tom Sandoval
scream at each other then watch Gwyneth Paltrow tell me about her detox. Don't
want to live in a world where those are our only choices, Stephanie,
this is the planet you signed up for. Yeah, they are, it
is, And you're so right about the perfectly said because the Kardashians, it's
so funny, the fine line vander Pump all day. Kardashians made me sick.
And I don't not them themselves, but just the show, like I
can't, I can't. I don't know why. But when you burned out,
Stephanie, Yes, well I think I was already. I watched a
few seasons because Cecily got me into it, or actually Ronnie Carram from Watch
What Crappins He got me into it a while ago, and I watched a
few seasons of it, and then Cecily was, I don't remember who was
it maybe made me watch it. So I watched a few seasons and then
I was like, why am I watching this? I don't care about these
people, so I stopped. But then when all of this blew up,
when scandabal happened, Cecily was like, girl, you have to watch it.
You have to watch this season. I'll catch you up. So she
kindly took me through what's happened over the years with all the people, all
the characters, and then I started watching. But now that we're at the
reunion and I was in it for a while, you know, I can't
stand Tom Sandoval. I was having feelings. But now that I watched the
reunion and I was like, okay, we're just kind of saying the same
thing over and over. I do I get it. I feel for Arianna.
Arianna, but like Tom Sandoval is clearly who he is. Tom Schwartz
is who he is. All these people are kind of who they are,
And I don't know how much more, how much more deserves are we going
to uncover? I guess I'm wondering, Well, let's get into it.
Let's get into it, because I was a little surprised. I guess we
knew from some of the leaks that there were going to be these one on
ones. I guess I thought they were good. I guess they'll go further
as each episode goes. I'm not, do you know, Meredith, if
they're going to keep doing the one on one thing. Yes, And allegedly
something came out in the one on ones. That is the reason why no
one has been able to resign a contract for the next season, because you
know, my ass is like, I'm all up in the contracts. Well,
I heard, is it that they're going to divide the groups? That's
one of the things that they were talking about that. Okay, there's a
couple. There's a couple of rumors. Let's let's talk. One is that
Rachel's pregnant. That's been a rumor that's been flo I don't believe it,
but that's been floating for quite some time on the you know, yes,
on the webs and if I thought it was called the web. And the
other was that Rockell says she's not coming back. She's like refusing to come
back. I don't believe that at all, Um, I'm not sure.
And then the others that they're going to divide the group because Arianna and that
her team is like not shooting with Sandoval. So they're going to have two
different like they did with Housewives New York, two different versions, and you
can choose your vander Pump, choose your choose your own Vanderpump. Can you
imagine the show that's just Sworts and Sandoval. It's going to be like the
two of them cutting up Coles Cash and at Swarts and Andy. Yes,
yes, who was going to choose that? Of course I'll watch both.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I'll watch Who else would be on their side?
Joe? They'd have Joe, the weird Joe. Yeah, the guy
who makes friendship bracelets with Tom Sandoval. Have you guys seen this? Like
this is like Tom Sandoval instead of like going to therapy and like figuring out
where the fuck it went wrong, he just likes like friendship bracelets all the
time. He's like Peter would choose that side too, Yeah, he would.
He grew up all the hair, like back to original season Peter and
the mustache. Yeah, and be like they wouldn't even care. They'd be
like, Peter, look we need the numbers, but no, thanks,
you don't have to be on here. He's like, the hours work better
for me. Okay, so these are some of the rumors, but okay,
yes, there's gonna be a bombshell. So so Andy, So Andy
sits down with Sandoval. First we see this, and I just my first
reaction and then you guys, I was just like, well, he just
is. He's a psychopath. He's a psychopath, Like he can't even hide
it. And it's kind of almost there's almost a sadness about it, which
maybe Stephanie you were talking about like maybe you're just over that it's just so
tragic. Well, I think it's that I feel like we're supposed to maybe
feel bad for Tom Sandobal because he's crying so much, But I'm like,
you don't, like you just said, Cecily, he just seems kind of
like associate, like he doesn't really seem to have any actual feelings about it,
or he wouldn't have done it, like he's just and he does it.
He's done it repeatedly, and he probably has cheated with way more than
just a Roquell and Miami, Miami girl. Oh no, he's already even
said that. I think he I think I've said this allegedly. This is
my opinion, it's not allegedly. It's all you think Bethany's gonna sue.
You imagine if Tom Sandoval sent you on that would He's such a badge of
honor. Stephanie, I'm surprised he's not doing that right and left. But
I think he kind of loves the attention, and I think he's smart enough
to know that would actually just make him look worse. Yeah, yes,
well, I think again, I've said this successfully before. I think he
has a true, like sex addiction. I think he's just yeah, I
think he needs he requires that hit that like having sex with somebody gives him
some kind of validation, and he just can't stop himself. And he's like
so he because he's so focused on saying how much he and Arianna had sex,
which if anybody in a long term relationship, especially you know, they
were together almost ten years, is not that focused on how many times they
have sex. So the fact that he kept saying not blue balls and she
never has sex with me, it's like, well, you could have fixed
that but the problem is that then you would have been having sex in the
confines of a relationship. And I don't think that turned him on so much.
He wasn't willing to work at it. She repeated that over and over
that she tried to work on it and tried to get have quality time that
would make her feel connected to him, and he refused. He was like,
no, I just want to do mushrooms and like you know, by
batteries. I think he likes kind of more anonymous. And the fact that
he was having sex with Raquel, I think fits into the sex addiction because
it's forbidden, it's taboo, it's risky, they could get caught, So
like that creates he needs to create excitement for himself, like he's doing something
wrong. Absolutely, yeah, I completely agree. Yeah, I think because
you guys fight. Please if he starts like let's say, and I guess
people are saying they're broken up. But I said to somebody the other day,
if he dates Raquel, he will date her. It won't last as
long as Arianna. It'll be two to three years, and then he'll go
outside of the relationship. Even I mean, I think two to three years
would be like wishful thinking. I think two years and then he'd go outside
of the relationship and do the same thing. It's a pattern with him that
he does this. Oh yeah, I mean I was rewatching and I posted
on our Roast Prick story the episode where where Kristen and Shena are trying to
tell Arianna, like this guy as a liar and you know, remember like
she was with him, Ariana was with him when he was with Kristen.
He does the same thing and then he victim. He shames the person that
he cheated on and says, but you weren't nice to me. You don't
get I don't like I've been trying to end it. You're crazy exactly what
he did to Arianna, which was shocking. I mean I was even shocked
by that because it had been nine years since we'd seen him actually do it.
But he has the same story every time, and I mean just watching
them and watching Kristen like begged people to believe her that he was a liar,
it was just really it's hard to watch. He's really Kristen was sleeping
with Jack's which yes, and which was with her best friend's stops I kind
of miss stop can I say I missed Stacy. I know she did some
shitty things. I'm not saying she should come back. I missed her a
little bit. It's okay if you disagree. I just kind of miss her
romantically. He does have great clothes, but she is yeah, yeah,
no, I know, and she doesn't want to be She doesn't want to
be that. I don't think she wants to be on the show. I
think she makes more money, like you know, I don't know, taking
cute pictures in her house with Channel Oh and yeah whatever. Okay, so
let's get into this rockal shows her just like listening because now she's she's filed
the restraining order, so she has to be on that trailer wearing her.
Is that when she's still wearing her like Chico sweater's gonna feel a little bit
and she already looks dumb. She already looks dumb to me because she has
is like a little bit open where she's just like what's talking about her eyes
like her tiles are too big, her pupils like are just her just big
black eyes. It's not right. I really thought it was the move to
do this whole restraining order thing and then to separate herself and make herself look
better, but it only made her look worse. This whole thing only made
her look worse. And it reminded me of like in high school, when
like someone would be like a piece of shit and then I feel like this
happens even earlier than that, and then it'd be like, oh, like
they're not coming, we need to protect them, like they're standing with the
teacher, and you're like, actually, you look like more of an asshole
right now, right like it's like, yes, oh exactly, the little
rat. Oh yeah, she's I mean, And then okay, so fine.
I guess we already knew Tom had had sex. That had already come
out that they had had sex the night of the abbey when they went dancing
at the abbey. I love the Alley's the one that broke the whole story,
Like sweet little Alley, who I hope is the hope breaks free of
James soon. But you know eventually she will. I think, Um,
she broke that story. You're I mean, oh my god, James,
Oh God, Well yeah, we'll get to James. I know we'll get
to it, but mind, he just wants to be make himself happen oh,
yes, always, and it's not getting better. No, he's not
a hero that he thinks he is. But it's fine. But then when
Tom tries to say, like, oh, I was just her gay bff,
it's like you wish, you wish. Remember, He's also like,
do you know what it means to be in like a relationship for a long
time? Like, yeah, the intimacy, the like hot and heavy of
the very beginning fades and then it's up to you to decide, like do
I want to have a really found solid foundation of a friendship and then build
off of that. And so obviously that does not work for him. That's
it comes back to that again, right, Okay, So when we get
to the stage, um he says, Andy whispers to Schwartz. Schwartz comes
out, percent you caught that. But he was like, so were you
silent or silenced? And Schwartz says both, like he's been held captive in
some basement. He's like both, Andy, I love that. I loved
the little lines when they were coming out. When um Ariana, who was
such a hero this episode, when he comes out, she said, well,
he looks like shit. When Santa did he kind of did, Oh
my God, he's got on the old Gucci Belton everyone a Gucci belt.
We're like, come, I can't hurt us. I don't know a Gucci
belt. It's like, because we can't hurt me. I look at my
geez. Yeah, he did look like his his mustache was kind of like
half off. It seemed in my memory. I know it wasn't there.
It did have little like thinning patches, like little like lines like gray maybe
those gray patches that had grown in and his little why are we why is
the mustache even back? Is this before? Was this before he shaved?
I forget the timeline. I guess it was before he shaved it? Well,
did he shave it again? He shave He shaved it on Howie Oh,
because he thought that was gonna like get him like some past Like you
know what I'll do, I'll shave the mustache like we don't give a shit
about your Also you are he is very sweaty, Like doesn't he just seem
sweaty and like I'm a girl who sweats, so I feel like i'm a
I can I can say that. I can. I'm jealous of a sweater.
It's gonna keep, it's gonna make your skin. That's why your skin
looks really good. The more oily you are, like later in life,
it's better for you. So I'll give a stand of all that, not
one nice thing. Um uh okay. So then the flat they're doing all
the flashbacks. It was a lot of flashbacks. I thought in the in
the reunion words like we we know, that's what we're here. I love
how they make the flashbacks too, like they make them like a little bit
of like an unsolved mysteries click too. They put like the layer over them.
I'm like, what is this like a Sepia tunnel on And I'm like,
okay, we this just happened, okay, like in the last episode.
Yeah, it just happened or like five minutes ago. They make it
black and white with like a pop of color. There's one little bit of
color in it. You're like, like it's Schindler's List with the red sweater
redress. Yes, yes, they're trying to be artsy, but like somebody
like just either move on, be in the show where you are, get
your job that you wanted out of NYU. But my favorite part happened kind
of early on when Sandoval starts to fake cry and James shut it down so
fat. I mean, I wouldn't want to be on the other side of
James for sure. Yeah. So James is like, I mean, he's
out of control, and it's like it seems like he's he's winning the whole
thing because that's what he thinks, that's what he wants us to believe.
But really, like he's a little tyrant. He's terrifying to me when you
have just like a little thing on someone and obviously this is a big thing.
I feel like sometimes you can go a little too hard, and I
think that's what's happening with James. Like he could actually come across a lot
better. I think if he sat back and was quiet and then said,
you know what, this really hurt me Tom, because hey, it hurts
to Siriana, but also because of the friendship that I had with you.
I mean, I've read The Dance with Anger. Okay. I know I
would love James to say that I would love it, but he should read
that book he like, and that would actually be more impactful. But you
know, and they kind of reminded me of this because they're showing some old
episodes. But you know, James was with Kristy. He and Sandoval were
friends and Kristin Sandoval broke up and James immediately like kicked Sandoval out of the
apart. I mean, you know, like they've all been so terrible,
which was brought up last night. But I love it when they go to
Sandy Ball and they like anything you want to say is like yes, Arianna,
I'm I want I love you and I apologize and James is like that
didn't hit from me, and Arianna said, I'm not even listening, and
I just was like, this is one after another. These everybody's on fire.
They are just not and I do kind of like, guess if you
need a mouthpiece, James is it? But you're right, it's not.
It's too much. It would be more impactful if he chilled out. It's
too much, and it's just because he's trying to make it the James Show.
I mean, when you get to the point that everybody is like settled
down, like you know, and then he and then he also thinks he's
being funny with the I'm gonna have to have his banking right, I'm out,
I'm out um okay. Also, I did pick up on the fact
that the way that Andy talks to James is the same way he talks to
his kid on Instagram. Like, if you watch Andy's stories about his kid
on Instagram, he'll be like, dude, I already gave you like four
cookies. He's kind of closed, yeah, and like he's like, oh,
and listen. I respect that Andy's doing the whole like single parent thing
thing, but I'm also like, you probably have like eight nannies and yeah,
let's be clear here. He said that to his kids. He's like,
oh, my cards, my cards, I had all these things.
I was gonna say, but you knocked him out. And I feel like
he's talking to James the exact same way. He's like, Okay, go
to the bathroom and then come back and like he loved you because he left
so many time. What do you call that when you blounce or whatever?
Like he did it so many times. James like, I'm out, I'm
back. I was like, all right enough, And so I thought it
was interesting though, when Lala says that Sandy Ball is just like Randall,
she really is pushing the Randall narrative. And I don't I don't know about
that. I mean, yes, in that he's a liar. I guess
that is what she meant, but she kind of kept saying that during the
thing in LVP at least is getting mad. She's really really getting mad at
Lala, and Laala stands up to that was a weird I didn't see that
coming, that sort of feud between Lalla and Lisa. She's like, I
don't really I don't really care what we have to say. I love Laala,
but I also respect the hustle that is plugging the documentary. It came
out this week. She knows the reunions airing the same week. She's like,
I gotta get a Randall, I gotta get a Randle line in.
I was like, oh, yes, that is I think that's the point
of that. And you know, they're both ship people, but they're ship
people in different colors. I think, yes, yes, you know,
yes, that's a very good that was a very good way to put that.
And by the way, we Stephanie and I forced herself to watch the
documentary and we talk about it on our board af our other Patreon. If
anybody, I mean, we might have some bad tanks. We won't go
right now. Well, I mean, we're not like apologist for Randall.
We don't like the guy, but we're just annoyed by the documentary itself because
we're just love a scammer. Yeah, I know, I know Randall Meredith.
That's something we talked about on the thing. I know him from back
in the day, not anymore. I have seen him in like fifteen years,
but there's I know him. We just couldn't get past the fact that
on the documentary they were focusing on certain things that made him a really bad
person, like that he didn't provide lunch for the intern Have you watched it
documentary that featured prominently that he didn't provide much like there's any experience of internships,
Like Okay, so that's yeah, that's our board patron. Okay,
so Sandoval, where are we next? Oh yeah, again he's blaming their
connection. They didn't have a connection, so therefore he can cheat. They're
not having that, and Arianna is fired up, which I love. Um.
I will say one thing that I did kind of love about this,
and you're saying, you know, are we kind of getting burned out on
this? So many times I've known people that like I don't really know or
I knew them at one point in life, and I see them break up
through social media and I'm like, I have so many fucking questions. I
want to know where it all went wrong. So this is kind of great
that we get to see all these questions get asked, Like I will give
it that, and I feel like they are asking some of the hard questions.
But to your point, Tom is just regurgitating the same exact answers,
which is like we didn't have a connection, and it's like that is not
working right. It's just total it's complete bullshit. Then the narrative goes on
that it's like, well who it was? At least that said, like
James and Sandoval are like brothers when they start fighting, and then they get
up and start to physically fight, like who's by the way, who do
you guys, who do you take in that fight? I take Sandoval?
Honestly, I don't think James don't know what does he really think that he
can I'll fuck you up with words. I think, Yeah, James,
James fights dirty, or that's what I'll say. Like, James definitely fights
dirtier. You've ever seen James's mom. She used to like steal Kristen's credit
card information. Oh, God, the mom puts that would be sad for
James. That really is really tough. I mean, we see where it
comes from. But yeah, wait, she would steal credit card really yeah,
she like, you know, she like wrote down Kristen's credit card when
I think when they were living to get allegedly okay, yeah, the last
cease and desist from James Kennedy's mother. Uh, and she would say that,
and so she took it to get I think it was to get botox.
I think that's what she did with it. Oh, valid, that's
Stephanie saying, good reason. Ye he Sometimes you do what you have to
do. I got mine last week. I'm feeling shiny, I'm feeling good.
James, you look gorgeous. And I was talking to you, not
James, because I did say James first. But so when they start fighting
and he gets up and all his little one your band sucks dicks, all
the thing he was being, he was out of control. It wasn't helping
the situation. For me. It was kind of fun. But I think,
how how we forget, like Katie laugh everybody laughing, because how can
you not? But he's so ruthless, like in a season or two,
if they still exist, he's going to come for Katie for some other reasons.
He's still abusive and terrible. I just think he's being he's trying to
be entertaining. I think he thinks he knows. I think he thinks he's
like, yeah, I know the assignment, but that's not assignment. I
think he misinterpreted the assignment. And it was like, No, the assignment
is to just actually be kind of real because all the drama's already there,
it's inherent in this situation. You don't need to do this crazy ranting and
raving and stealing focus from everybody. It's not about him. And speaking of
not understanding the assignment, they show Rachel, we just we're just going to
call her Rachel. Meredith beut Yeah, oh yeah, I'm here, Fred,
Yeah, we we. She seems to think it's funny. It shows
her on the trailer at one point and she's kind of lat like she doesn't
even understand the expression she's supposed to have on her face. She kind of
laughs at the James, like all the stuff that's happening there, I thought,
I really strange. There's something I want to talk about, Rachel,
and that is um her carbon footprint because um, let's be honest here,
because of her restraining order, they had to have an additional trailer with you
know, energy using you know. I was like, what is the toll
that this trailer is taking on the environment here in I don't know, Studio
City. No one's talking about that, Rachel. That's another that's another thing
that you've done. That's another The planet is another victim in this affair.
So she thuch that was using non reusable plastics, right, oh yeah,
you know everybody another water bottle? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and
then just tears it apart and throws the plastics everywhere. But I agree,
she was like, just like giggling. I don't think she knows appropriate reactions,
Like I really I think something that that I think is just something that's
going on there. Yeah, possibly, I think that's so all right,
Then they get to the thing which we saw in the trailer. Many times
it's just the timeline being off when they're talking about the stuff. You'd seen
that, but we'd talked about that before, when right, like, and
that's that's a major thing where Sandoval always coaches p He coached Ariana again with
Kristen he like he coaches you to say exactly how you're going to get through
it, and he coached Schwartz this whole time in Schwartz forgot what he was
supposed to say, and that was amazing. And when Lala just right came
as like oh oh no, oh no, little babies, timelines are off,
that was amazing. And I love that Schwartz started coming clean. I
feel I think he's coming clean. I think he knows this is like his
last redemption is to sort of say, hey, you know what, yeah,
actually I did now, like yeah, and he starts telling he was
just telling it. I think he got for a second like he's been scared.
I mean he's also I'm not trying to make him a hero either,
but I think he's not. I guess it's like the who's the worst of
the worst, who's the best of the worst. You know, people are
trying to make Jack's out to be like Jack's was the great guy all along?
No, oh my god, no, But Schwartz is always Yeah.
He does have that like kind of Labrador retriever thing, and he's he's telling
the timeline. Now listen, I'm an alan On girl, and I see
the code of endency going on between Sandoval and Schwartz, Like Schwartz is Shorts
and I sharts if you would like to go to a meeting. I know
it's an anonymous program, but I will go to a meeting with you.
I will even go to Valley Village to the meeting with you and Sharts.
Yeah, if you're listening, I'll go out with you. I'm going to
take it a step further. She'll go to a meeting with you. I'll
date you. Yeah. Hear me out, hear me out all y'all.
No, But I just I thought that was interesting when the Miami Girl,
well that I guess that wasn't Schwartz anymore. But when they brought that up,
that's finally admitted, which we knew anyway from you know, whispering or
whatever. But I thought that was interesting that Arianna knew all along and was
covering that. That goes to Schwarts like Sandoval is always writing the narrative and
making everybody follow it. Because Arianna knew about Miami Girl was protecting him,
which is crazy to me. That's so crazy. Sure that wasn't the only
one, now, definitely that there's been other circumstances where even Ariana found out.
I'm sure there are a lot of girls that Sandoval got with that Arianna
didn't know about, but I bet you there were more that she found out
about and was just like, ah, yeah, he demonized we've been together
a while, like whatever. Sometimes he can't keep it in his pants,
but like that's just him. I guess I up in public right, and
then her friend right with her friend, and and then we go to the
somebody finally says, okay, let's take a break from this for a second
and talk about like, you know, the Katie and Schwartz, you know,
they were married and divorced, that all that, all these storylines that
were supposed to be huge got kind of just like under it was kind of
cares yeah, and the exactly. And then I also I felt sad that
Schwartz was again blaming Katie lack of intimacy, Like, oh my god,
dude, take some accountability. She doesn't have to explain why she didn't want
him to hook up with her friends. That's just one oh one. Well,
and also, like you guys gasol at her like all season right over
this imagine finding out that this whole thing that you've been upset about. Wasn't
even what what was actually happening. So it's really it's it's it's really cruel
and gross. And I thought it was interesting. I think it was.
I don't know, was it sand Ofval. Somebody was like, well,
this is like therapy for us, and Arianna's like, this is not therapy.
Short set it short set it, like oh, we're just one big
family and it's therapy. And yeah, They're like, yeah, this is
therapy to me. This is not what she clapped. She did a clack
back on that literally. But Andy then at this point points out, like
I said that this is all a group of cheaters, like no one in
fact, he said, and I've said this on our show many times,
no one has clean hands except Katie. That's the only one who has not.
I know she's not been perfect, and she has had her her mean
moments, but she did she really has been pretty loyal like she she doesn't
usually go out of her Yeah, and I would say, like, you
know, it's a it's a Bravo show, right, like there's anyone going
to be perfect. We all contain multitudes, but clearly, and that's what
I think, Like when people try to say like, oh, well,
you cheated on this person or you cheated on that person. There's a big
difference I think between like oh, well you like hooked up with some random
person or made out with someone at a club then versus like, oh,
you were actively sleeping with my really good friend in our house and like that.
There's there are I think there are, And I don't know what do
you guys think? Do you think there's like levels to cheating? Sort of
like yeah, for sure, Steph, what do you think it absolutely shows
what kind of a person is he? Just I mean, yes, there's
cheating and trying to and then there's having sex with your best friend and then
acting like it's your fault. I mean, I just don't see how there's
any way anybody could see Tom Sandoval's side in this. It's totally true.
But I think Andy's point which Lisa sort of echoed, which Lisa had a
lot of bad takes, but the point being that just they've all I mean,
Arianna was really mean to Kristen, and Kristen was really mean to Stoss,
and I mean they've all cheated with people with that were their friends.
To be fair, I guess at that time Kristin and Arianna weren't friends,
but she was really she gasol at her to her face as well. Kristen
was, like I said earlier, dying to have people believe her because she
was telling the truth about Sandoval and Arianna was covering Sandoval. It was just
really shitty. And it doesn't mean that Arianna deserves this now, of course
not. It's it's it's way worse what happened now, but you know,
it's it did happen. She did give none of their sides. That's why
it's hard. Katie. We love Katie here, we're very mean. I
hated her outfit though, what was she was wearing some kind of like Bride
of Dracula. Yeah, she's not like no the Ma Mac dark lipstick.
Yes, she's very twenty sixteen. I'd go even further back to like ninety
seven for sure. Yeah, I like it though. I think she's awesome.
You think though, that that is how Raquel sort of in her own
mind while this was happening, was justifying it of that, like, while
there's been a lot of cheating in this group, like while it was going
on, do you think she was kind of thinking well, he you know,
Ariana was part of a cheating situation. Kristin cheated Stas you know they
all actually I don't know if Stasi cheated, but like right, yeah,
it's like, do you think that that's kind of maybe what Raquel thought would
happen when this all fell out. Do you think she thought, oh,
well, this will get chopped up to The show is literally based on a
cheating scandal, right, because when we go all the way back to the
beginning, it's based on Shena hooking up with Brandy's husband. That's how the
show. That is the beginning of the show, it's the genesis of it.
So do you think Rachel thought, oh well, this will just be
chopped up to another cheating scandal and people will be mad at me for a
season, and then I'll come back and I'll be part of the group again.
I think she's smart. I was just gonna say, Okay, yeah,
she's not at all. I think sand of All had that thought and
he put it in her head. She's if there was a thought bubble above
her head, it would just be like a cloud, and then inside that
cloud would be a question mark. And the Puppy Party flyer. She's young
and real dumb in my estimation, and very manipulate, manipult, manipulative.
How do you pronounce that? How do you say that you don't know?
You got manipulated? And I think that the Sandoval even said, oh and
then you know, he was confiding in her about his relationship, you know,
So I think he was manipulating her and going like, oh my gosh,
she doesn't understand me, but you're so you get me, you know,
you're so you're you know, he was going after this girl who's young
and dumb and like, oh, my pageant career didn't work out and I'm
so sad and don't feel good about myself, and he was like, you're
amazing, You're so smart. Like people don't appreciate you, you know,
and you know who doesn't appreciate me, my girlfriend? You know. But
what would be bad, Like I really into you, But what would be
bad is for this to come out right now, because then we would look
really bad. Because so what we're gonna do, Like I am going to
break up with her, but like after the season, you know, so
that it's done so that she's not publicly humiliated. So I think Roquel had
it in her mind that like his relationship with Arianna was over, they were
no longer sleeping together, and that as soon as the cameras were off and
the season was done, then he'll tell her and he'll really move out,
and like, we're just not going to publicly humiliate That's what I think was
going on. So I think Roquell was like, well, if we can
just get through this season, so let me just like keep this going and
pretend that I'm still friends with Arianna. And like, I don't think either
of them thought that this was going to blow up before the end of the
season. They were so close and finishing the season. They'd made it so
far. And Tiger Woods taught me when I was a lot younger, never
leave a fucking paper trail. If they hadn't left a paper trail, and
you know what would have happened to is if, like, let's say that
they hadn't even if they had been cheating on each which is terrible, you
know, whatever been hooking up. What they could have done is they could
have Tom could have broken up with Arianna and then three or four months later
they'd be like, you know what, I'm kind of dating Raquel, and
people would have been pissed and people would have still not liked it, but
it wouldn't have been like this, right, right, It wouldn't have It
wouldn't have like affected their restaurants and like right, which yeah apparently, and
people would have even been on their side in a way. They would have
been like, well, he should be free the day whoever he wants.
It would have been like the Katie I mean, the Schwartz and Raquel thing.
Yeah, well exactly. And speaking of which, before we the Joe,
they tried to bring I Love it again all these storylines. Okay,
obviously you know what I'm going to say, because the line of the century
was like, Joe is spooky? Did you see that? So Joe,
who we never Joe just keeps trying to work herself onto the show and basically
started hooking up with Schwartz even though she was friends with everybody, and then
she I guess they were denying it. And then finally Schwartz a n It's
like, yeah, we're fuck buddies whatever, And Katie's always been superch like
no one likes Joe, and then it showed the text message Joe is spooky
I have never referred to anybody as spooky, but that was just really that's
like the best slam. But Tom Schwartz got so mad at her about it
and was like, oh, you're being a troll. She's continued, You're
like a troll, like on your typewriter in a basement. Like is that
what he said? Yes, he called her a troll and he and he
did, and he did a like a year typing thing like you're just in
there typing mean stuff about people. That's an idiot. Well, and clearly
he's been watching my tiktoks because then he's like, Joe's going to send you
a season desist. I'm like, Andy, and we like have a I
don't know, can you host a webinar on how season assists work for this
group? Because I'm gonna do that. Joe has a lawyer. Yeah,
Joe, stop threatening that. I will say my favorite part of the entire
episode was when James and Tom Sandoval were fighting and James yelled at him like,
who are you? You had the same haircut for ten years? I
was like, whoa, whoa Sandoval? You. First of all, I
didn't realize that we were gonna throw that around second of all, you want
to talk about haircuts, I literally this morning went through the myth like the
Smithsonian of Tom Sandoval haircuts. The best thing that man could fucking do is
get his haircut, Like James Kennedy's like, you guys, the haircuts this
man has hat Yeah. Are And also, and I said this to someone
earlier, way to ostracize yourself from the boomers, because like, name a
boomer male who hasn't had the same haircut since like nineteen sixty two when he
was like a little kid going off to school. Who the fuck cares if
someone's had the same haircut for ten years. Yeah, he's not good at
the fight. Do you know what it is? I got riled up?
Oh my god, it's that Sandoval is only really good at yelling at women.
When he right with men, he doesn't have anything he gets right,
super beta. But yeah, he's real, real big guy when he's yelling
at the ladies. Yeah. Oh he makes me so I just like,
even just talking about it, I never think I can like dislike him more.
And then and then he says this, and then the screaming the booing
at him was really funny to me, and Steph and I and I'm sure
you as well, Meredith, Like we've been talking all season about how this
he feel with the mustache. He feels like a villain and old tiny like
tie you up on the train tracks kind of things. So when they started
like this spoon, I was like, oh my god, it really is
that he really is it really is? Yeah, And Raquel's in the background
like just like cheering him on wearing some weird outfit and then okay, so
to inconclude, like ending like I want to hang up. Well. One
other thing that I thought was interesting was the whole Arianna trying to be a
little bit of a big shot, like how she's going to determine who she
stays friends with, Like if people are going to be friends with Tom,
like she's not going to deal with them. And then they're like, but
what about Lisa vander Pump. Yes, She's like, um, I mean
yeah, like that's what I was just gonna say. Yeah, yeah,
I mean we won't be as close. They're like, oh, okay,
how how's that going to work out? And she's like, well, I
mean, you know, I won't really want to like go to their restaurant
or whatever. But it was just took the wind out of her sails because
it goes, well, that would be unfortunate. It would really like us
to stay close. And she was like, okay, yeah, that fast.
She did because she knows because eventually, you know, some of these
things might like she is that she is the star right now, but this
is gonna dry up, and she's gonna probably want and need the show.
She needs the show to push the restaurant right, and she knows where her
bread is buttered. And so it's hard to watch because like you know,
Kyle, for example, from Housewives, you know, uh, she didn't
she didn't have she didn't need Lisa, so she could get the balls to
like stand up to even though I'm no Kyle sam Um, like I always
preferred Lisa. I wish Kyle by Kyle by Kyle. Yeah, Lisa doesn't
need anybody. So that was that was, and Lisa pushed back. She
did, she kind of pushed back on that. I was like, okay,
well, I don't see why I have to take sides, but I
do see Arianna's point too, Like i'd be pissed. I don't want when
somebody, if someone's done me dirty, I wouldn't want Stephanie to be from
still, you know, talk to them. And I think it's hard.
It was okay when people were doing that to Katie. She was okay when
running like me. No, Schwartz, Arianna didn't have a wasn't putting her
foot down at all. Nope, not a little No, I don't think
so. I think it's hard because of the way that money is tied up
with the restaurant group and like all these different places. Because you know,
when I look at Tom Tom on the trademark's website, which Arianna, if
you're listening, Schwartz and Sandy's is not trademarked. That's a that's a stupid
business move. So sweetie, I'm letting you get on that trademark that shit.
Okay, m second of all, Tom Tom is trademarked, but the
trademark is dead. So LVP, you might want to get on that.
Why don't we do it? Can we do it? You can? Yeah,
sure, they might do it. They might get like they might get
like the right to like look at it again. But yeah, it is
like, listen, I love the trademark website. It's like my favorite website,
but it's under Todd's name Todd or ken Ken Todd's name. He is
the one under the trademark of Tom Tom the restaurant. So anyway, I
guess my point is it's all so incestuous with the money that I think it's
really hard for Lisa to be like, Okay, I am I am done
with X person or done with that person because she has a vested interest in
some of their business is doing well. Totally yes, yeah, they all
do. Just um this is I have this towards the very end of the
episode, but the part where Shena where they're asking Shena like if she had
any idea and why did she believe Rachel Rachel more than anybody? And then
she gets her big moment where she's like, because it all goes back to
when I was bullied. I'm very triggered because I took her word as bible,
because like, these girls have bullied me. And then they showed the
clips of them Molly Sina and I was like, you're all pathetic, and
Lola stood up to that. She's like, stop saying bullying stop that can
you stop? And then the stand of all got myself, that's because you're
a bully, Like what is this that is like the worst word that anyone
can call each other. Now, I'm like, thanks the fucking lot,
Millannia Trump like like it's every day is the best day on that show.
Remember the best day Millennia's day when one weren't supposed to bully um, but
like they love throwing that word around. I'm like, you guys aren't bullies.
You're like, I don't know, some of you might be serial killers.
I don't way worse. I love that we just got through that and
that was just episode one of the real I mean, there's just so much
more to come. It's going to be interesting. I mean stuff is leaking
every second, Like before we even in the next five minutes before this goes
up, there's gonna be like ten more stories that we didn't address. So
I did see Arianna yesterday. I went to the U. I went to
a raising canes the chicken Place. Love it And it was eight thirty in
the morning, which is like a great time to eat chicken tenders. Actually
they were delicious. I feel have you guys ever had I'd never had them
before? Is that it was an El sagundo, so by the yep and
Arianna came and she I walked up to the counter, and first of all,
she's really beautiful. She's very beautiful in person. She was funny,
she was like going with the flow. But I walked up to the counter
and I was like, Hi, how are you? And she said I
know you and I said, I'm so sorry. She said I know you
from the internet. I've watched your staff. So she was very sweet,
very kind, and I wish only good things. I agree, we agree
with that, and and that's what I heard from my intel at towards and
Sandy's two like she's a she's a good person. I mean, she's been
involved in a like a crazy show with crazy people for a long time.
And like you said, everyone's gonna do you know, thank and sandival I
kind of blame him more. He was the one dating Kristen, not Arianna.
She didn't even know she was friend. God knows what he was telling
her. He was totally she's crazy. I've been trying to break up with
her for years. You know. It's the same shit. These narcissists.
Not to over use that word, we are very careful about that, but
he is. They're called gas lighters. It's they're called borderline, covert,
all the best words, we have them, we got them. Thank you
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