Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Alien Retrospective. I'm
the clown Prince of Rewrites Trust Now, and I'm joined by I'm the dog
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ladies, woman having guests by the name or well, I guess it's
different when we're doing the retrospectives. But yes, we're doing the Alien retrospective.
We're doing retrospective for every Alien movie, which is gonna transition us also
into a VP. And then we're also gonna be doing a sidequest episode of
Isola Isolation, right right, I've said, right, okay, yeah,
and then there's also gonna be like a comic book centric one where we're gonna
read, uh, Alien versus Avengers, and Wolverine versus Predator and Black Panther
versus Predator. And also we've talked about this for years, Taylor, you've
never seen it. I'm gonna throw and we're gonna watch the eight minute short
film one of the most famous short films all time, Dead End, where
Batman fights the alien predator and it's like these guys that are very high productive.
Have you seen it? Just STI a long time ago. Oh I
thought we had never seen it. Maybe not, but yeah, it's eight
minute. It is a really good as these guys like in the early two
thousand's got a bunch of miney together and it's like like high quality costumes and
everything. But uh yeah, So a couple of fun things along the way
to get ready for Alien Ronalds, which is coming out in August, and
there's lots of ways you can support us. But I'll tell you a little
bit about that later. We'll get in some overall floughts first, so uh
oh, I'll leave Tayter for last, and Kirkland's chomping away on some uh
some niz bit there. So I'm gonna throw the man at the golden throat
dyl muss uh because I feel like we've talked about this before. But do
you have you seen Alien three? If so, what were your memories of
it back then? And if not, what are your thoughts now? Yeah?
Well I found something. So remember on the first episode I was talking
about my history with Aliens started with an nes game back in the day.
I found my case for that's a that's a massive case. You know,
the games are like that that big. Yeah, I guess so, right,
So I don't know why the box. I guess they wanted them to
look like movie movie cases. Yeah, they're not all that big, right.
I feel like the other games that era the box aren't that big.
I think all the NES boxes are this big, really, and then the
SNS ones are like horizontal, aren't they probably a bit smaller? And then
any and then N sixty four is kind of similar to but they're the big
plastic like the NES ones are usually like this, like in the store,
you know, but that remember in A ten sixty four those are more greed
just because the actual cartridge is not that big, but the box is big.
It was like the boxes are always get destroyed because they sit nicely.
Okay, anyway, So my first experience with Alien three was through this game
when I was like five or six years old or something. And it's funny,
I've never you know, the pixelart on it is. It's an old
ass game, so there's so little detail that I never really thought about,
like, Okay, what am I actually looking at when I'm playing the game.
And it turns out that it says like you're going through the facility trying
to find prisoners, and that's like the whole game is. You're going through
just saving people in different areas. So it kind of makes sense now it
all connects to my brain. But anyway, that's my first experience with it.
But then movie wise, once again, it's the same old thing where,
yeah, like about a decade ago, I watched all these movies and
yeah, the memory of it not really that strong at all, Like all
of them kind of blend together, mixed together. So yeah, I didn't
have a whole lot of expectation going into this, but yeah, I don't
know this one. Just like Aliens and even Alien to an extent, I
think Alien less, so that was more like I really enjoyed that movie than
just some of the effects near the end didn't hold up. But otherwise,
like this and Aliens, they have such a clear list of like pros and
cons for me, where there's some stuff that are really fun or interesting or
unique, but then other things that are just so bad or poorly done.
I think for the most part, the effects look really good in this movie
until you get to the very end and then went to like cgifest on the
Alien, then that looks really bad. But I feel like the practical stuff
they had in like the first you know, two thirds of the movie whatever
it was, looked really good. I think story wise, like this is
probably the least ambitious of the movies. I mean, I guess the first
one, like it's a pretty simple story, but it's the first one Aliens.
I feel like he is trying a lot more than this. Just just
this feels like a bit of a rehash on certain elements. There's some crazy
choices even at the start of just like characters that are like, oh yeah,
they're just kind of dead now we're just moving on from that. And
then you know, there was one main character here, what was his name,
the doctor doctor? Oh, Dylan was the other guy. Dylan is
not the doctor Clemens. I thought there was some good chemistry between Clemens and
uh and uh Ripley here, but then he just kind of like goes away
like really early on or two earlier than I wanted, I suppose. So
I don't know, there's things I like about this overall. I think I
enjoyed it more than Aliens, but I still think it's a like significantly weaker
movie than the original one. But overall, yeah, I did I guess
I enjoyed the characters and setup and like the suspense of it a bit more
than Aliens. Maybe it was a bit toned back on just like the pure
action of it and instead kind of got a bit scarier again and a lot
of suspense building and all that. So yeah, it was. It was
a decent time going back to this. I don't think I'll rewatch this for
a very very very long time. I don't think there's much in here that
I need to, you know, add to that rotation of yearly watches or
anything like that. Mister Patzer, Yeah, this was a fresh watch for
me. I don't think I've ever seen Alien three before ever, which is
I don't know, like I thought I remembered certain scenes, but I feel
like I'm just combining scenes from like AVP and like Aliens now like in my
in retrospective. But yeah, this one for me, like Aliens was a
drop off from Alien and now I'm just like in a different ballpark. I
feel like I am. I just really don't like this movie. I'm never
gonna rewatch this movie again. Like it brings down Ripley as a character for
me, actually seen this movie just with some of her decisions and where her
head's at. And it's just like, as we're going along, like,
I don't think I've ever seen Resurrection either, So I'm like a little bit
scared. If you went down low, you're about to go six ft on
your resurrection. And you know, and you know what, you hold those
a VP movies in such high regard, but you haven't watched them as an
adult. So I'm also saying buckle up for that as well. I think
I think Resurrection might hit you the right way in some aspects, Kirk.
I'm hoping, I think so, Ron Pearlman, you know, run Pearlman.
Okay, that's just kick to the balls. It's probably gonna feel good.
It's gonna feel good. Don't don't worry. You might like this.
But I did not like this movie. No, I didn't. I feel
like there's a handful of things I could say that I liked in it.
Yeah, I won't cross off that list right now. We'll get into the
movie when we get into the movie. But yeah, I don't know.
It's just I think it's for me. It's mostly I don't actually know.
I don't even know what it is. Like. I think I'm just gonna
have to go through the move with you guys as we go along and see
where you guys feel on some of the decisions that they made with this.
And but right off the hop, I think it was just kind of a
It wasn't like a slight decline into like my not enjoying this movie, or
like I can't even pick out like a specific act that lost me like they
had me the first act or in Aliens, I really didn't like the first
act like at all, and then the second and third was all rise for
me, and this one it just it's just a disappointing start and pretty disappointing
ending. Actually, so maybe in the second act I peaked a little bit.
We'll see, we'll see how it goes when we get there. We'll
see. Well, you say you don't know what act you know it lost
yet, and you know, for me, I know exactly where it was.
It's not even an act. It's like down to the seconds. It's
about thirty seconds in when they show certain characters in their fate. But we'll
get more specifically in that. Yeah, this is just like we're gonna get
into it too at the tribute portion. This trivia is gonna be a little
longer because I wanted to put a bunch of notes, but there is pages
among pages of how much trouble this movie was in and how much rewrites,
And we talk about last week like Dave Fincher hates this fucking movie. He
wants nothing to do with it. He actually just talked about from the first
times He's talked about a few times over the years, but last year for
The Killer, they did like a big spread on Empire magazine. I think
they talk about every single one of his films, like the first time in
over almost two decades he had like talked about it, and you know,
he said, at least he learned some stuff. But there's a whole bunch
of things that were just from day one. Like to set it an example,
like they're going to shooting and the script's not even done. It's that
type of stuff where like, okay, here we go. And I think
some of that shows and then I think some just like the concept. It's
tough because I think there's some there's some good moments in here, and I
don't think acting is atrocious, So I don't think it's a level of bad
word is in all timer. I think it's just tough when it's in for
me. Comparison to the other two, I feel both those are high quality,
especially Alien But yeah, it's it's a pretty big nose time, and
I guess it's just one of those that you just look around and you go,
that's it's just it's just not good. There's not much. There's nothing
to really someone other than other that. I think now when I'm older,
I think Star Wars has done this to me. I can do a good
job of I just kind of pretend these movies don't exist, and they're like,
what is actually it's a combo of Star Wars. And when they start
doing that shit with Halloween, when they're like, oh, well, these
are actually sequels to these movies and these movies don't exist, they're like,
oh, we can just do that now in Hollywood, now, okay.
So that's why I just pretend Alien to one and two happen, And that's
pretty much it. I disregard everything else. Even at one point when Neil
Blomcamp was trying to make a sequel Taar, Wasn't it just a sequel to
Aliens? Right? They were gonna get cut everything else before Disney bought them
and Ridley Scott kind of shot it down, so that was annoying. But
yeah, they originally were gonna do the Haoween thing, were they gonna make
a sequel just aliens. And that's when you know it's not good. When
it's like when you're in the section movie that's gonna get excluded, that's in
you're in that camp. And uh, yeah, I don't think schore Weir
was bad. I think I agreed Dylan like I liked again that's something I
do like, and then it it just gets cut out from under us.
It's like, oh cool, it's some like a semblance of a good idea
here, and it's just gone. There's a few little things that I like.
Sci fi wise, I actually don't mind the the ending per se.
It's tough for me to swell because I know what's coming, but I don't.
I don't mind it for the character because I do feel like that would
make sense for what the character would do. Even though I'm with Kirklee with
there's many times Ripley just it feels like she's just setting up these people to
fucking just get destroyed, you know, like she like, we'll get into
it, but she's just not good at helping people out in this one.
But yeah, no, this is not a not a good film, not
anything that carries on the legacy. A few good moments. I hate the
CGI Alien with a passion so much. It looks so bad. The coloring
is off. He just stands out. It's just a couple of shots,
sure, but it's just yeah, it's a It was tough watching. I
think I'm with Kirkle like I've seen and I guess my first time. I
think I I think I said this last week where I feel other than Alien
and Aliens. The rest of these have all seen once or twice in my
life, and I think there's a reason, like I don't think I need
to return to Aliens three ever again after that and even then, like I
said before, many times, I just watched Alien and maybe Aliens, but
there's there's really nothing here for me, especially for myself that's kind of pretends
like, ah, this didn't really happen. You know. We just end
with Aliens and that was where we went. So no, not not a
good venture. But I will give us this example because we never knew a
studio. You never know a studios and what goes on this with David Fincher's
first movie, and I'm sure back then if he would have been announced for
like the sequel, some sort of filming with all that guy that directed Aliens
three, like we do all the time with stuff that's where shows, hey,
you never know he can make this, and then going to make Gone
Girl and Fight Club and seven and The Killer last year the Game. Yeah,
like he's top five director for me. So rocky start to his career.
But it all worked out, So, I mean, it's interesting.
It's like a very similar situation at Ridley Scott as we talked about, Like
I don't think Alien was his first movie, it was like his second or
something, yeah, second, but like and they had worked on like if
you go on David Fincher's career prior to this, it's just like one hundred
music videos that he had like directed, which is you know, he's obviously
he was doing something, but it's very different than directed. That's how it
worked in the nineties music videos and commercial with Ridley Scott. Yeah, he's
a commercial guy too, so it's interesting that they picked similar people for that,
but like for Aliens, they picked I mean at that time, what's
his name? I can't JC James Cameron at that time, like he's he
wasn't as established as he was even ten, all right, but he still
had Terminate that was already a huge similar genre movie that you know, you
could point to as like a good reason why he'd be a good pick.
Yeah, And funny enough, Fincher was the third choice because there was two
other people that had agreed to direct this and they passed on it eventually once
there was script issues. Direction know who those people were, I can find
out. The first one I can't remember his saying. The second one is
Rennie Harlan. He had a bit, he did a Nightmare movie in the
eighties, He did die Hard, and he just recently he did Ieheart too.
He just recently did the New Strangers movie. So he's a guy that's
like directed a lot of kind of be material stuff and it's been like hit
or miss, But he's known for directing one of the better Nightmare sequels,
Like he did that and then that same week in Steven Spielberg called them and
then got him die Hard. So it's like he and he was making some
really kind of wild, edgy horror movie stuff before Nightmare. So he's so
that's who was doing that on that one, and then I'll try and find
who else. Think for anyone being given this kind of level of budget for
your first movie just feels super risky, no matter what, Like, I
feel like you should probably start with smaller. Okay. So it was Vincent
Ward who was at a ridge I didn't even really know. Yeah, I
the Wards. Yeah him. I don't think I've seen he's done Stage of
Siege, A, Vigel the Navigator, Map of the Human Heart, What
Dreams Become, River Queen, and Rain of the Children. I've never seen
one of those films. I feel like he must have passed away. Am
I wrong? Is he still alive. I think he's alive. Just stopped
working in eight So yeah, i'd never heard of hims that could have been
well, that could have been even really a big career. No, he's
still live. So sorry, Vincent. I hope you were living a good
life. Maybe he's back. I don't think. I don't think he's doing
anything now. I think he's just done. Hollywood said, oh wait,
commercials. So he has a movie in production rate, So he hasn't directed
since two thousand and eight. He's directing a move right now called Storm School,
which is no plot okay and no stars no, So he's making a
comeback. So Vincent ward fans get ready. The Wardster is a fuck yeah
Wardster. That's that's almost a twenty year that's what it is. At a
sixteen year absence from Hollywood. That's a that's a big break. So yeah.
So and then yeah, Radny Harlan who did a bunch of stuff there.
So all right, mister Field, where do you lie on Alien three?
Which is so weird because I think, like we got Alien and then
aliens, an Alien resurrection and three. They just couldn't think of anything,
like they just I'd just call Alien three, you know, so the worst
tagline ever too. It's like three times a tear, three times of scares,
Like it's just three times something. And you would think from the poster
that would mean, oh, there's three aliens in this movie, but there's
not. There's like three times the aliens of la movie. Like that's kind
of what I was expecting. So never mind think about that, because it
was just I just saw Alien three like that was lazy. They coudn't.
They couldn't think of anything, you know. So when I first saw Alien
three, and I was aware of it. I remember I was at my
grandparents' house. My grandpa had like a whole stack of like the big like
wall shelves of just VHS's, and in that mix was just a copy of
Alien three on VHS. The cover box art was just bald headed Ripley just
standing there and smoke around her. This is an interesting cover art, but
I never got around to watching until finally when I was young and I was
doing my Allian Binge watch and I got through Alien and then I loved Aliens
that holy fuck, this is amazing, Like, oh, we got more
movies. I can't wait to get into this. And I remember watching it
for the first time with my cousins and I was really really just turned off
from that first viewing of this movie because of what it did to the characters
right out of the gate. From Aliens, I loved Hicks. Hicks was
awesome, and I loved Nude. I thought they wrote for fantastic characters alongside
first five minutes. Yeah, both of those very fucking dead. Absolutely,
and it's just it's brutal. But I could just imagine in last Jedi of
Ray woke up and Poe and Ben were just dead. It's yeah, like
really, but it's just it's such a wild choice, you know, it
is. And I've I could probably say I've probably watched it less than like
four times. I really haven't gone back to it a lot, uh that
being said, like I'm familiar with it, but I've just been so turned
off by the by the movie and just what it did to those characters.
So I never really felt that pull to it. And if I ever wanted
to go see Aliens again, I'm going to a VP or I'm doing Alien
or Aliens. Those are those are like my go tos, and then Resurrection
we'll talk about none of the really, Scott, none of the prequels.
Eh, No, honestly, I don't. I haven't seen Covenant again since
theaters. Prometheus I watched a couple of times. I have. I have
a digital copy of that one actually, so I've seen it a couple of
times, but not a lot. Was it the Riddler that did those ones?
I'm a nickname guy tonight, I'm gonna yeah, Riley Scott came back
because I'll probably go deeper to it. But at one point in the trivia,
Rennie Harlan the second director, and Ridley Scott he wanted to do it.
They both had the pitch that they should do a prequel to Aliens.
So even back here in the this movie come out here ninety two, a
year before I was born, even then, really Scott was wanting to do
prequel stuff with it. So I feel like he never really want and like
I said, they were trying to do that Alien screen movie and he got
it shut down because he just made some bullshit or anything like that. So
I feel like he never really wanted to go forward. He always wanted to
go backwards. So but yeah, he fighting him for twenty years, like
well yeah, and they did Prometheus and Covenant because he just want to tell
those stories, which we'll get to but uh yeah, so yeah, this
it's just it's funny, like what watching it now for this retro, I
feel like, and it has been a lot of time since I watched it
the last I feel like it's definitely put itself into a different kind of light
for me. Not that I'm praising or loving it, but I can definitely
like look at and think, Okay, there's definitely some interesting things that they
did with this movie. It's also funny too, because I feel like this
is absolutely a cult classic film because when I look on and see what people
are talking about this film, a lot of people are like, all,
this movie is just it's got such great like cinematography, it's got great like
scenery in moments here and everything like that. Well that's let's just say.
There are some people that like praised this movie and other people that are just
shitting all over it, like this is a horrible movie, just atrocious.
But it's the one movie too. And I don't know if you I don't
know if you have this in your trivia notes, but I want to get
the Alien Quadrilege quadrilogy set because it comes with that different alien Alien three.
Yeah, and I think it has at least over a half an hour,
maybe like forty minutes worth of different footage, and they change how the alien
is introduced. They have like a new main antagonist in here aside from the
alien, like one of the prisoners. It's a totally different story. And
I'm just curious that is maybe not trustworthy and he wants to take the alien
back. No joke, but I didn't put that into trivia. But yeah,
that's the only place that cut they use the assembly cut. Fincher did
not work on that. They invited him back to but he didn't, but
he entrusted. I can't remember someone that was part of the production, but
they see he said they could do it as long as they just don't call
director's cut, because he said the old I think I have some quote in
Forrivie where he's like, the only way you get directors cut if you burn
everything and go back to said and restart shooting. So like every quote he's
ever said to me, he just it sounds like an x yife that like
chewed on or something like. It's never there's never other than I feel like
last year is the most positive. And he's like, well, I learned
some things on that set. But yeah, there's no director's cut, but
there's an assembly cut, so you got that. So there's just some stuff
that's put in, but it's it's still not edited. They like the same
way had director's cut would be so mm hmm. And that's that's how my
bucket lists to get around to eventually to watch it. But yeah, this
it's funny just for this film is just kind of stood because I mean,
you're right, Travis. There was that Blancamp film that was gonna kind of
reckcon this. There's even the game Aliens Colonal Marines that came out years ago,
and that retcon Alien three and Resurrection like it just it brings Hicks back,
goes back onto LV four twenty six after Alien. So it's funny how
many different takes there have been to kind of rewrite this story and this narrative.
That being said, watching it, I did get kind of like stoked
on how this movie kind of introduced a few things to the Alien universe.
And I think after like you see the different toys too that you get from
Aliens. I think Aliens three definitely added a lot more to like the toy
line and stuff like that. All those toys. I think those toys like
things they use in the future films. Like, I don't think they introduced
lots of tech. Like first they're like, it's a prison with no weapons
of course, you know, so I get you're saying now and that well,
the fact you mentioned their prison, I think that they did not need
to do ripley at all on this storyline. I feel like her story that
should have been that should have been squared away done after Aliens. What I
really would have loved it is if this was just like a mining planet or
sure have it as a prisoner planet. They just come across as they're digging
away like a cave, and you have like another crash ship or something like
that. Maybe not a crash ship because it'd be too similar to the first
one, but just they come across little hive with just eggs and then shit
starts to go sideways and it's just a group of prisoners trapped here and the
company is on their way. Like it just don't bring Ripley into it.
I just feel like that was just kind of like it just got kind of
unfortunate. And again it just goes back to the beginning when they just I
feel like they really just looked at how these characters looked to just kind of
really just squash, and that what they've kind of developed so far in terms
of a story. But yeah, I'm excited to talk about this. Big
SIGs. I think so Big SIGs. That's yeah, that's when you become
a producer show that goes to SIGs. The Big SIGs name was there?
Yeah, No, I was trying because that's how I didn't find my trivia.
I was just trying to find out why she came back. I'm gonna
guess it was just my money this time, because the second one member was
a big deal that she didn't want to do it, but then make sure
this idea of the mother daughter and she's like, okay, I'll do it.
But then allesten, we get to four and she's back for that too.
We killed off the daughter like that's why she wanted to come back,
and then just now just a producer, like it's just strange. I don't
know. Yeah, it must have been. It must have been a money
thing, because I couldn't even find anything. I'm just trying of scrolling through
right now, and usually that was like the last time, it was kind
of in the top trivia and that wasn't popping up. So I'll see if
I can find anything in the forums. Now you're digging deep, I am,
yeah, but it probably was just a big check. Cool that works
for me, and hey, go go do what you do want you know,
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start without this fucking stupid ass opening. So you got they literally the credits
are they're all sleeping and they're showing the alien alien that you would think they
have some sort of scan for the ship to make sure, like hey,
when you go into deep sleep, let's scan and make sure there's nothing in
this ship. But they don't do that. They just you know, there's
a there's a face hugger crawling around, gets new gets Michael Bean gets a
bishop, and Ripley is just crashes into this random planet's found awakened. But
uh yeah, I think this is pretty it's pretty awful. It's funny because
we were just talking about this the other day when we reviewed Did Bull two.
We're talking about the different stuff, like that's a similar movie where you
kill off someone important right away. But even then, it's like, I
feel, you know, bigger first act part, and that resonates to the
whole film. It resonates a little bit, But I feel like once they
do the autopsy, Ripley's pretty fine to move on from those characters. And
that's like they do that autopsy and then what I don't know, a couple
hours later, she's ready to bang Clemmens. I just feel like all that
emotion was just gone. I get she's like, I've been out here for
a while, but she's like, just wasn't the time for me. I'm
all down for characters to get hot and heavy, but that, like after
the autopsy, this like adoptive daughter just felt like a weird choice or I
needed more story. But yeah, I think it's just a it just that's
why I can I just separate them now. But if you do watch us
in a connuty way, I think it just hurts Aliens so much because you
spend this whole movie, especially the last hour, it's he just trying to
say this girl a pretty much and get her out of there, and it's
really all for nothing because it's just to get in a ship and for her
it's literally minutes later when Nude is dead. So it's just like it's I
just don't get whatever version, And that's something where it's like, I don't
know, with rewrites whatever just from inception that should just never happen. Michael
Bean at one point, I think they talked about him coming back and there
was some misunders some misunderstanding or miscommunication and it led to him in the studio
having a really bad relationship for a while, so he wasn't coming back.
They kill his character, well I think so, yeah, I don't know
if it was a money thing. It just felt like something that they gave
him, they told him something wrongly, and I don't know. But then
the actress played nude that she just said, life goes on, so she
didn't really care. She's probably she was younger at that point too, so
like just a gig for her. But yeah, what do you guys feel
about You know, we went on this journey for two hours, over two
hours last movie with them, and in a mirror seconds they are done.
Yeah, I'm I mean, it's objectively dumb, don't get me wrong,
But I'm not really that cheese about it because I didn't really like Newt or
Hicks that much. So, you know, for the first few minutes,
I'm like, wow, that's quite a choice that they made, But then
I got over it pretty quick because like, I don't really care that much.
Bishop is the one I'm more bummed about. But like, I think
I already had the perception that he was dead after the first one, so
they brought him back. Eh. I thought that was yeah, we have
the conversation. I assumed he was dead, but I thought he was just
left there. I did not think that they were going to put him in
another pod. Would you even have to put Android in a pod? They
did an Aliens though you see him in there at the end of Aliens.
No, I know, but just like, would you have to put him
in a pod? I feel like he's living or dying no matter what,
Like that's not gonna help him. Put him in a trash bag and hopefully
I remember to not throw that trash bag ziplog. Yeah, no, I
mean so, I guess that's how I feel about the the death's part of
it. It took it didn't take me long to move past it. But
I definitely agree that it's a pretty dumb move. I also agree it's subjectively
bad. I'm a lot more with Travis on this one though, of just
I think because of the significance of like Ripley going back for newt like at
the end of Aliens and then to just like jump where we are here,
I think there was potential for like, even if we kill off Hicks and
Newt right away. I think there's still potential for like like having an okay
story following that, maybe just hitting a lot more on her like mental anguish
that she's in for losing those characters because those were like the two characters that
she was very close with. And Hicks it's just like okay, yeah whatever,
I'm ready to bone this guy after that. And but for Newt,
I think I guess the closest we get to that is like when she has
to do the autopsy and she's just so like mortified that not only did Nuw
die, but now she has like cut open her body to like make sure
that there's not an alien there. Like that's pretty that's pretty wild to me,
Like even if it's just like a family member yet to do that for
like that would just stick with you. And uh, it just kind of
seemed like she was she was like teflon, like didn't really bother moving forward,
like she was yeah whatever. Maybe maybe because you know, she's been
on three adventures now this is she's just so like rugged and uh it doesn't
really phase her anymore. Like she's really mentally strong from going through all these
horrible events in the last a couple it's been a lot of years, but
for her, like it's it's I feel like all of these events are like
a two week window. Yeah, it takes place like directly after her.
Yeah, really really well, it's like even for her though, like one
and two there's like I don't know, maybe a week, but it's still
like, remember she was asleep for all those years, but yeah, it
was instant. So there was a weird line when she's like I've been like
she said to the alien, like I've been here with you this whole time,
like this is all I can remember. But like it is like I'm
not saying it's not traumatic, but it's like eight days in total, like
what for her mind. So it's it's weird like that phrasing because I think
they're trying to Incompani's like, oh it's been decades, but really and especially
for the movie, right, this is not to the first ones like eighty,
So I get they're trying to go for but for Ripley, it's not
been not been that long, you know, it's been a cup of coffee.
So yeah, so I don't like the decision to kill off those characters,
at least in the way that they did. But se Lev, I
guess I don't know. It's like that wasn't even the main issues I had
with these movies or this movie, but it just definitely didn't set me up
in a good way, I think for the opening of What Happened? Yeah
eighty five, what do you think? I mean? This is just probably
the biggest thing that bothers me about this movie is how I mean, they,
as you guys already said, they went through so much tribulation, Ripley
went through so much to say Newt and Hicks surviving and all that, and
just you get them snapped at the beginning of this film just so brutally.
It's just very unfortunate. You alluded to this, Travis, where like you
think they would have scanned the ship, but no they didn't. And again
this I feel like that could face huggers have been latched onto the Queen,
sure, but face huggers, like no one knows how long they can survive
outside of the egg and away from the nest. But you're telling me that
this egg was just somehow just like the Queen snuck to where their cryos are
popped an egg up on the ceiling and just fucking left it there and then
went back to the hangar. That doesn't make it. They didn't know,
they didn't, they didn't notice. No, And this is just the I
was reading an interview with their ship talk in the movie and basically said they
just wanted to have an alien in here, just because they needed to have
the alien. So they just the and it would have just been like,
well, that's true, but like they didn't even land I imagine, I
don't know. They should have rowed it in a way that was just better,
and it was just it's very sloppy, and they didn't care, right,
they just needed to have it just set up at the start and just
get into our story. So when you look at how this this alien is
just introduced, it's just it bothers. It not be that the alien burrowed
into her like almost immediately after it jets off from aliens and then it just
survived inside of her cryogenically before but they showed an egg, right, didn't
they Maybe I'm still could have had an egg, but then it could have
like that's how it could have survived for that length of time, is what
I'm saying, which we don't even know how long it was, right,
like it could well they hours when they're in their eggs, they last for
a very very long time. But I mean that's like how the egg got
there. I guess, yeah, like how did the egg like because the
scene is the eggs like upside down in the corner of the room, and
it's like, how the heck, how the heck does that even? I
mean, maybe the eggs is start like they're they're not like a set size
of a shell, Like they're a really gooey type thing. So maybe they
start really small and they just like expand to that size. So maybe it
just maybe that's how it, Like it just shot like one fucking mitochondria up
there and then it just like grew over time into that size that we normally
see. And up on this review, I wasn't expecting that you could be
absolutely right, because that's the thing with Alien three. It introduced so many
different things, like this is where we get to see like, okay,
the alien. This is where it confirms that the alien takes on the genetic
traits of its host, right as the dog, which in the the other
alternative scene, the alien actually impregnates a cow and it breaks out of the
cow instead of a dog, so they really an ox. Yeah, yeah,
thank you bad horns. Yeah, it's a really good question. What
does an ox do in real life? Was it on a ship or was
it on like this prisoner, it's on the planet one. It was in
the cry to where does this ox come from? Scene? Is like bringing
this ox with us? That's he needs the ox. The the idea two
of them, just like going into an animal is that's a cool concept.
And that's one of the I guess maybe like more like a silver lining.
And there was the actual again. It was another interview where they were going
to actually confirm that this face hugger was called a royal face hugger and something
we hadn't seen yet. And there are designs where it looks like actual like
an original face hugger, but I think it has more like webbing between the
fingers and it's supposed to be bigger. And the idea was that this thing
could impregnate twice, So it impregnates a queen and then impregnates a drone to
protect the the The xenomorphs are regularly called just drones, like the soldiers ones
just drones. Yeah, yeah, so I think that's a really really cool
idea, but then they ended up scrapping it, and so they didn't give
any context in this movie. The only thing you get to see now in
this movie is, Okay, there's one face hugger that's still alive in the
drop ship, Ripley's already impregnated, and then you have it impregnating the dog,
and so now the viewers have to just wonder, Okay, so what's
going on here? Like, were there two face huggers? What happened?
But no, all in all, it's one, but just now without the
context, So it's another are another unfortunate thing where I feel like they had
great ideas and they could have done so much more, but they didn't run
with it. I feel I don't know who is really calling the shots with
this, And you'd probably know Travis as the people with money, suits and
boardrooms whatnot? Yeah, fuck suits? Whalan Yukani? Well it's their money.
He's forty two million and adjusted doll so looking into it, like it's
the writers of Aliens. But in terms of the rewrites, is there other
people who are like in that writing? Oh, it's all over the place.
Yeah, I think those original writers. They get final credit those two,
but like there's other people who are in there because at one point,
because I was looking for it and Fincher is not credit as a writer.
But that's when they started to shoot. That was then one of the scripts
they went with. There I have a whole thing here where there's like Fincher
and another writer against those writers, and they were arguing. So they had
to have like a pitch meeting right before filming with the students, like which
script they're actually going with again? Great way like your week's production, Like
what are we gonna like? I have it somewhere in here too. There's
a whole set that they built that they just never used because they just they
it was in the old script, just the set piece that they wasted money
on. I think it's at a box to put in there an ox.
Yeah, it went from a I think I can't remember if it's a thirty
five or forty million dollars budget. It ended up as a sixty five million
dollar budget. It costs more than Alien Aliens combined. So that shows you
because remember everybody and everytime you hire a writer, you get them rerace script.
That is money. So that's why blade, Its gonna be one of
the most fucking expensive Maral movies ever that happened. It was probably also a
lot more expensive just to get Sigourney. She got five point five million.
Yeah, so she got that off the hop. So that's why she numbers
off the top of your head for what she made in one and two.
No, I don't even know if that's disclosed. I think this was disclosed
because the budget got so inflated. They're like, well, I did this,
and I actually could be wrong because I feel like that not that about
her price. I could be seventy five millioncause I can't or seventy million because
I can't remember if I've read that that was included or it was six that
on top of she got her so that could have inflated to about seventy million
as well. So and definitely the first one she wasn't getting paid. That
second one probably like made a good chunk of change to get her back,
but that first one for sure not making that. So yeah, alien three
she she cashed in, which you know, good for her, Good for
her. I was gonna say before because a long time ago Tayer brought somebody
said, oh I wish we could just get the movie without an alien.
I'm like, I don't know what movie that would be, but and I
don't know if there was an alien or not. Originally James Cameron was approached
for the third one. Cameron had brought the ideas during the first production of
Aliens that he wanted to focus on Ripley Newt Hicks trying to function as a
family, and Bishops suspecting that someone has tampered with his brain to make them
more dangerous. There's no nothing about Aliens in that pitch. There wasn't anything
but that. So I don't know if he was gonna take the Prometheus route
and do a movie in the alien world without it and have Bishop like be
kind of almost like hacked to be the villain. I'm not sure if they
would have just had like a face hugg or someone of the ship, but
at least in the pitch, it sounds like that's the route he wanted to
go on, obviously, like for people like myself and Taylor, like those
characters. I don't know what the movie would have been like, but I
would have already that idea of my idea. In my opinion, I'm way
more I wish we got that movie instead, because I at least would like
to see because I just this for me was like a nothing Burger movie.
So for me, I like the idea of the functional family. But Dylan,
you like Bishops, so he would have been like the main Antagonay,
but I'm here for aliens. I'm not here for I don't know these people
just having drama on this ship here. I thought you liked Prometheus though,
anything about Okay, we'll get there, because that's an alien movie with like
it has alien. It's not really like it's like I think, you know,
but who knows? If they probably they probably, I guess they would
have had to call it something like Prometheus. You maybe get away with it
because it's not called alien at that point. If you called something alien three
and didn't have an alien, I think that movie would have just bombed.
I guarantee you it would have been a lot cheaper. I suppose absolutely.
Yeah, uh yeah. Another thing you mentioned earlier, Travis, that we
haven't talked about yet is the the romance angle of of Ripley and Clemens.
And yeah, once again this is something that like, yeah, when she
drops that line of are you attracted to me, and then they just like
get down really rushed, really awkward once again. But then like after it
happens, I actually think everything after that is really good between them, and
I think they have good chemistry, and I wanted to see more of that
because I feel like he kind of gets his like redemption arc where he's set
up you don't really have much background of like why he's here, and then
you get like inklings of it and it's like, ooh, he had some
darker side, but then it's like, Okay, he was like framed or
like he wasn't really like actually a bad guy, and then he just like
dies and then there's like another what hour hour and a half of the movie,
Like it's way too early in my opinion for how many other characters in
this movie don't really have any personality or anyone that I've really latched onto.
So that was definitely a disappointing part of it. But I do feel like
they had good chemistry after we Yeah, I get like the whiplash of them
going at it, like to some extent, I get it for Ripley a
little bit of just like man, she's been going through a lot, like
she just needs to like, you know, relax, have some fun a
little bit. She actually has an opportunity to do so because at that point,
right, she doesn't she isn't aware that the alien is there. Right,
Is it happened before she Yeah, at this point she just thinks nothing,
it's all fine. Yeah, it makes a little bit of sense in
that content for him too, It's like, yeah, if he's just here
with a bunch of dudes have their celibacy vows and they're all just hanging out,
you know, a lot of blue balls going on in this prison,
I like it makes a little bit of sense. But yeah, I feel
like they could and maybe maybe there was a scene or two that were cut
or rewritten or changed. I'm sure there was, but yeah, there could
have been one or two more kind of scenes of them kind of connecting before
they actually go to town. Also, Clemens wasn't framed. Remember he had
an addiction problem and he did a mis dosage. That was the issue that
he did, right, Yeah, yeah, he fudged the numbers. Guilty
he got. It was strange because like she's like, oh, you're you're
one of them. Your criminal's got not a fucking criminal, Like, I
don't think he said that bomb. Like when they first start talking, it's
like, well, then he reveals like he did get a sentence in due
times. It's like it doesn't matter if you're it was like manslaughter, Like
you you're technically a criminal. Like even if you steal a pen from Walmart
get rested on it, like you're still a criminal. So it was an
odd line that he acted so offended but he was a criminal. But I
really liked that character. There's clearly a difference between what he did though and
absolutely and the guy who so many women And it's like how he introduces himself.
They don't hate that character so much. You don't want to be my
friend. Yeah, Like and that's the thing where like clements, Yeah,
I really like again another choice. I hate that he gets killed off in
that infirmary. It's just like we're finally getting somebody in this movie that I
care about, because for me, I get why some people might kind of
like the rag tag like all the you know, working with the enemies,
but I really have no investment in seeing these guys survive after they tried to
sexual assault Ripley in the first act. Like right there, I'm like,
I don't care for these characters. I don't care if the aliens get them,
Clemens, I do because, like you said, Dylan, like I
was joking, but like, yeah, in reality, he's not there for
one of the same reasons they are. It was a it was a crime,
but it was a crime because he was in a dark place that made
a mistake. There's a big difference between a mistake and what these guys like
I haven't seen women in ten years because they're not allowed to and stuff,
and yeah, like that character that says like, yeah, I've assaulted murder
every woman I've met, and then like later on he's the one that stops
the assault. They don't really get into it. He just just like over
assaulting women now and it's just like got to re educate the brothers. Yeah
what like you better not come at me or I'm gonna hurt you. And
now it's like, don't hurt Like it's a mess. So I just hate
what he did so that there was like any chance of us having like a
little bit of sympathy for him, Clemons. His sacrifice at the end is
truly meaningless. So you should have been like guy Travis, you should have
been like euphoria guy where it's like an addiction and like that's how he,
like, that's how he. I don't know he abused someone like physic I
get right, Yeah, I guess Clemens didn't abuse anybody, but yeah,
I think it just should have been like Clemens where he made a mistake and
that was it, like he I just can't invest in a character that that's
the opening line. And again, like I said, I didn't care about
any prisoners. I want them all die, Like I'm not why am I
supposed to cheer for the rapers, like like who like just again conceptually like
who's sitting down? I get it's the nineties, but just like this is
like make it a different prison because they're like these are the worst of the
worst type of people. If it was just regularly said the people that stole
a pin, maybe a manslaughter, someone that did kill someone, but they
highly regret it now. But again, it's not like all these men are
at prison and they've done these even if they did rape, murder, terrible
things, but they're all regretful. Like I said, first act, they're
trying to get their jolleys off. The second a woman's on the things,
so it's just like, I don't get why anyone sat around was like we
should just cut the scene because if you cut that scene, they might be
bad guys, but they're maybe, like you don't know, maybe they are
being rehabbed. Right, But with that scene in there, it's like,
no, like goves even moreph and they cut the instead of that, they're
like probably would have had more charisma than any of them. Yeah, even
if any of them were like maybe a fund like a comic relief for like
a funny character, like I don't know, anything that we as a viewer
could could kind of connect to in a way. Yeah, I'm not gonna
laugh with a bunch of those guys like that just seems like awful. So
and if their thieves or like something like that, maybe it's like skills they
can tap into when they have to take on the Zeno morphun of idiots,
what do they do? They open and closed doors doors, So good.
I'm with you, Taylor. No, I actually like the scene and it
to me reminds me of when we play game like Outlasts, except like it
had that vibe right, So I think that's good barring the bad seed give
but like it's like we said, it's just like they have no skills really
though. That's things like it's a great set piece, but and I guess
that's the point. They have no skills, so they open closed doors,
just running down always five. But yeah, I like that scene. That's
fun, the setting of it. I like the door aspect and just the
uh I don't know why, but like we're just looking at these hallways,
Dylan. For some reason, I'm getting like Arcs fatalis like like imagery.
I don't know why. I think it's just like the tones or the like
the textures or whatnot, like the color palette. That's the word I'm looking
for. I don't know what it was, but it was just reminded me
of Arcs. I think from the alien's point of view, chasing people down
these get like a little bit of Halo, a little bit of Star Wars.
Oh yeah, it was like the door, the hallways, the design
of the doors and that sort of thing. Right, Yeah, but yeah,
I like that sequence like seventy seventy percent. I would say it was
like a like a like for me, Like I wasn't really big fan.
I mean you mentioned the CG on the Alien that one was a standout the
I wasn't really a fan of like the POV either of the alien. It
just seemed it seems inconsistent in of like and it seems inconsistent in the sense
of like the alien would catch up to someone and then like slow down,
yeah, to like let them keep going, because it's clearly a camera,
not as Zeno wharf it's like, Okay, now I'm gonna start chasing you
again. It's just like it just seemed not like I'm looking through the eyes
of an actual alien xenomorph. It just looks like a camera that's upside down
on a track following this guy run down a hallway. So I think it
just took me out of it in that sense. I liked it because it
was something different, and it also reminded me of once again, Taylor that
three sixty game where you can play as the alien and you can just like
hold the sprint button and like you'll just go up any wall or any roof,
and so it kind of did that too, or it didn't really care
if it was on flat ground or not. It would just like be able
to walk like a spider anywhere it went. So I don't know, I
thought it was something kind of fun, a little bit different. Maybe it
did get over used a little bit, but then again, I think that
whole sequence yeah, goes on like, you know, a few minutes longer
than it needs to. So that was gonna happen either way. But I
thought that was a good And you know, when you get that CGI or
you get the alien vision too, you're not getting the janky CGI as much
because you're you're just from a different perspective. So now that sequence worked for
me. I thought it was pretty good. This is definitely I think the
first time we've ever gotten to see that perspective too from the alien, which
definitely it makes it kind of less scarier to a slight degree seeing that perspective.
But I'm with you guys. The CGI of the that fucking thing was
just atrocious, uh, not driving with it. And I do like though
that there were the brief moments where it was actual actually like a suit not
obviously there were some parts I think they actually did like puppeteering, I want
to say, but maybe it was more or less replaced with CGI. But
get getting the scenes of just the alien popping off where he's like everyone has
their meeting and he just drops out of the event and pulls the leader guy
up and kills him. Like other scenes, or Ripley's trying to like see
where the alien is and she's imagining it because she just she just sees alien
on her brain. That there's stuff like that. And even when the alien
first appears and like grabs the guy, kills the guy and it looks it's
got blood on him on the alien's face and then shoots the blood on like
the other prisoner, and the prison looks up and the music kicks in and
the alien just does this like fucking dental smile thing, and man, that
was just I really really like that scene. So there's a few moments that
are really good too. Oh god, what was is it? The guy
from dress Lost World, the Hunter and he's by the door. He's like
he's looking through the door. I can't remember his name, He's looking through
the door, and then you just see the alien dropping him behind him.
That was a good scene too. He like just passed away. I think
it was before. It was the year before. I'm pretty sure he was
recent. Oh god, Uh, Pete, That's why I'm never gonna remember
Pete Pollster waight it's p O S T L E th h W A I
T E. But he also is in a great like minor role. He's
killing Murphy's dad in inception, remember the the guy that disowns his son,
and that's all they get that great scene at the end, Like, yeah,
he's a great character actor. He's I don't know if I remember he
played the floorist in the town. If everyone's seen the Town, he's like
this very movie right. Yeah, so he's he's like one of those guys
that like anything, he pops up, even though he's smaller, but he's
just like he has just there'll be a group of like twenty of these prisoners
that all shave a head and look the same, but like he stands out
just because something going on there. So yeah, and yeah, like the
shave head was cool, you know, like I think that was cool that.
Uh. I guess I can't remember if I put in trivia, but
I guess sin Gorney was all down for it. But I guess some of
the other actors were like, I don't know if I want to do this,
but when she did it, they're like, oh right, it's just
like who's fucking like, who are any of these actors like big league and
like, I don't know if I should. I won't really share, like
I gotta make it to November for my stream. It's just like I just
feel like it's like you're shaving your head or you're not alien three, you
know, like like if there was an actor in here that was like corect
and they're like, I don't know if this film's worth the shaved head.
Yeah, like I you know, was in this. He's like, I
don't know if I want ship in my head now. Like then I'd be
like, yeah, okay, it's paccino. But like none of these people
like what the one guy goes on to be the Tyrian's dad in Game of
Thrones, right, I came, what's his name again, Tyrone? Yeah
he's in your Godzilla movies, right, Tyrone? Yeah he is. Yeah,
he's in King of Monsters. Yeah. And then and then we got
Pete. Wait ah, that one guy king he is the King of Monsters,
the King. I missed that movie. He was looking young in this.
I was, uh, I was kind of surprised to I mean,
I think it's mostly just like in Game of Thrones they make him look pretty
old. I think even more so than like what he looked at the time
of the fielding. Maybe I'm just tripping there, but it just seemed like
he was like, I don't know, it's like, really this was the
nineties. Yeah, it's like twenty was like you like twenty two in this
movie. He looked, I'm really gonna go that's far. Yeah, he's
twenty the at least I haven't seen the ox I can't say that. But
he was born in nineteen forty six at this point. Damn he would have
he would have been fifty. He was just under fifty. He was like
forty six, so he was close to eighty. And Game of Thrones always
like a thousand in Game of Thrones. Shit O kidding, well, well
whatever, if he was in the two thousands, yeah, he'd be No,
he would have been in he would have been in fifty in this.
Then you add, yeah, seventy. That's why I'm yeah. So when
you Kirk's like they make him look like an old man in that, I'm
like, no, I think that's just to make him look old. Two.
I think that's stance at that point. He's looking old at the age
of seventy. That happens. You know, I look age of the Old
Age of thirty, so are you. I'd like to see him in not
a villain roll though, because I like, most of the time I see
this guy, he's a bad guy, and it's just he's really good at
playing those types of characters Game of Thrones. He's fantastic in that he just
like exudes gravitas and like intimidation in the way that he carries his words even
if he's not being loud, and in this one, he like I was
expecting a villain turn at so many moments because I've just seen him as a
villain so too in the like at the beginning, like what's he up to?
Right? Like he just I assumed he was an android. Honestly,
I thought that's what was gonna be happening, just because of he seemed to
be the similar type of role that the androids had been in the past,
of just the more like medical officer or like scientific type guy that is just
very analytical. And even the way that he was going along with the autopsies,
he was a little bit like sus like like he was a little bit
hesitant. But it's like I don't know he's the one getting bloody and doing
the deed, so I just had android vibes from him. I actually I
thought it was gonna be like a villain turn right after a bone Ripley,
because I don't know, I feel like that's just a cliche for some reason.
It's like our hero thinks that she's finding comfort in this one male character
and then they do the deed and then he just reveals his evil plan,
and I don't It's just it seemed a little too similar to that. Do
you think if he was an android, she so to throw him some ass,
you know, in space? Is there any to do that in these
movies? I don't think so. Right, the closest we got was Dated
right kissing himself as you're gonna get. I can't wait to get back to
Covenant, man, I can't wait. I've never seen it. So I
finally get there. The whole yeah, man, the whole wild stuff.
The only thing I had problem that scene is like I like that because he
asks, he knows something's up with Ripley, and he asked, and she
you know, throws you know, the sex option outs, So of course
he takes up. But that like almost immediately after he goes back, he's
like, oh, like, you know, he threw me off, and
I still have this question everything. So I like that because I was like,
is he not gonna ask at this very important issue. The thing was
they get interrupted again because they call him and say, like, someone's been
ripped up on the crew. Now I know it's a ship and I know
anything had happened, but I just feel like, with what Ripley's been through
the past a little while, the fact that she and she just she's like,
okay, I'll see it, like you must have been good. She
didn't even think like could that be something like she was just in two previous
situations where someone mysteriously died and then bad shit starts to happen. So I
kind of found that odd, and I also did not like Ripley that.
So they're doing the autopsy and he's about to crack open the chest and she's
just like, be careful. She knows what could happen. Why not get
this guy? And he fucking heads up because like, how what's there to
be careful? If he cracks it open, then something jumps up? Like
I just did not like the entire first act. How cagey. She was
being about the situation when she because I just feel like it would be better
to tell everybody what would happen, and maybe not because of prison their questionable
character is fine. But to me, it was the autopsy, which is
the most egregious of when she tells him to be careful, you gotta give
it more details than that, because like he can't prepare for her face like
he's not expecting a face hugger to jump out this little girl's bos so I
found especially in the second one where Ripley the whole time was warning them over
and over, don't do this. This is what like that's why they brought
her because she knew the stuff right For this one to be so reserved,
which it's in like within twenty four hours, it's it just didn't match for
it was that kind of like a good reason then, because people just weren't
believing her when she was telling when she was telling them what was going on,
I guess I just said I didn't buy that Ripley would just quit and
go. I guess I won't tell anybody, And maybe the rest of it.
I think for me, it's just the autopsy being the biggest one of
he's literally about to go in the chest. I feel like that's when you
should say, even if you don't have to be specific with the alien,
like there something happened to us where like, I don't know how you could
explain it, but there could be some danger opening this chest, saying just
be careful, like, and he didn't even question it either. So I
just found that was odd that she was very much putting him at risk there
for a situation that he has no clue what he's going into, you know.
So yeah, I got a couple questions. One is just like the
setup of this facility existing. So they said this was like a huge prison
at some point that had like five thousand people in it, and then they
the company decided to shut it down and leave. But then Dylan I hate
that his name is Dylan the guy, but him and the rest of the
crew decided they want to stay because of their religion. They're going to become
custodians of this place. I just don't get from the company's perspective, why
they would allow that for these prisoners, why they would give them what they
want in this situation, because presumably they're like I guess the one reason could
be to keep this facility alive, but they don't really use it for anything
anymore, so they're just there essentially maintaining it for no purpose. Like maybe
in the future there would be a purpose. But I feel like I missed
something there. Do you guys have a good explanation, Like is there a
line I missed of like why they're here or why? Well, I don't
know why it would be allowed, but I just think that they've just they've
taken upon themselves as the inherent inherited uh, caretakers. I guess maybe they
just don't feel like there's anything back on earth for them, Like, but
they're prisoners, Like weren't they still imprisoned during that time. I don't feel
like they're really prisoners at this time because the I mean, didn't they say
like the facility is typically like they're not. Well, if I leave somewhere,
your prisoner, But we don't even know that, right like like a
warden kind of yeah, there is, but didn't they didn't? Didn't Clemens
explain it in a certain way, like just they chose to stay with like
a few, like not caretakers, but a few people like the company still
is investing at least a couple of resources because Clemens at that point is no
longer a prisoner, but he's there is like the medical guy, and then
the warden, and then I think everyone else's prisoners unless I'm forgetting someone.
I think if they think Clemens says that, like you like you were talking
about like, well, I'm not like the rest of them to me,
would imply they're all prisoners. Part of ship, part of the crew.
Yeah, terrible crew. I would not want to be a part of that.
Crank not saying David Jones's crew is better, but I gotta pick.
If I gotta pick, I definitely could become a squid person over being like
if I see you, I'm gonna do this to you, Like, I
don't want to be on that crew. That's no thank you, bad thing
to have in your bio. Yeah, there was a crew on that system
there we took We weren't really prisoners though we were running own thing like could
you leave it? Well, not exactly, but you know we were prisoners.
I promise you. I agreed, Dylan. That whole thing was.
It was a little muddy. Just say hey, this is a prison.
That's it done. Yeah. Another another question, So Ripley, she gets
infected or I get what we call it imfected. I guess is good enough?
Impregnant? Impregnant? Pregnant yeah, like during hyper sleep? Right?
Yeah? How can it take so long for it to burst out of her
at the end. It's a good question, Like that's like significantly longer than
anyone else we've seen any of these movies. Right, you think if you
have sex, it like it like delays it a little bit, like you
get like it's fighting with something else being born here. I don't think so,
I don't think that's part of Okay, Okay, let's try and I'm
glad I'm gonna say it is. That's what that's gonna say. They'll stash
in rols. If you get the face hugger, you gotta have sex immediately
and another two hour? What's going on there? Yeah? So dude,
it's just like, please everyone have sex with me or like you don't even
affect, Like no, please trust me. There's a face hugger in me.
I literally like it sounds stupid, but I think the face hugger popped
out just because it could sense it was in danger. I know, it
sounds dumb, but because it popped up, I know, but because it
popped up when she was getting near like very big heat signals. I feel
like the face hugger felt like this was a nonhabernant habitable, non inhabitable environment,
so it popped up trying to get out of there, and that's how
she did that, like ah, and I grabbed it, So that legitimately
is what I think. That it was still gonna just state in there for
a little bit because it was doing something a little bit different this go around.
I'm not sure. Also, I could say maybe the hyper or like
the them being frozen together, maybe that's thought the process too right of it's
the only thing that makes sense to me. Yeah, but I took it.
It jumped out of that time just because it felt it was in danger.
And I don't mind that actually as an ending, like in a better
movie of like it popping on her grabbing it tair with I don't I don't
mind that, you know. Yeah, So I think it's like, you
know, these her and you know, any of the aliens, not just
one specific one, are just kind of they're just kind of entangled no matter
what she does, no matter you know, where she goes or who she
aligns with, Like she cannot get rid of this alien that's always gonna be
part of her, and she's also always going to be the reason why these
aliens die. So I think it is a very poetic good ending. The
CGI is atrocious. I mean that it takes away from the splash splash to
happen, and where it looks like the Gallum you know, scene falling on
the level, but like a thousand times worse. Yeah, it looks like
I think it's a really really good moment. It looks like the first friender
of the gollm scene, like yeah, we still gotta like do six more
renders on this thing. And but like even as a charter, like that's
where I and Kirkling, you know. And actually I think you said you
hate the ending. I don't mind in what sense of she's pregnant. I'm
glad that she doesn't believe where Wayland corp. And like, oh, we're
gonna help you out and you know, your whole life you'll be you be
pregnant and now kids and stuff like I I like that the movies, the
franchise starts with them tricking her and it ends with even if she has to
kill herself, and in the way they show them this movie that this is
like the last Ali on this ship, like they're almost insinuation that all those
ones in space are dead. You have the last thing. So I don't
mind that as like a well the last fus. I'm gonna kill this thing
you really want, I'm gonna take myself down with it. So yes,
cgi side and some cheese like why is it pop out? Now? I
don't I'm I don't mind as a ending for Ripley. Now, I still
would have liked it better if I just had Canada. Yeah, her nude
and everybody are just flowing off and they make it back home. But if
we're talking about this movie, I'm like, yeah, it's fine. So
like Kirkles to you did not like the ending, Yeah, I first of
all, I think it's kind of crazy that that thing was just in her
the whole time and it popped out at the end of the movie. That's
just that's unacceptable movie. Just thinking of like our first lad that took the
face hugger, like once it was off of him, seems like an hour
maybe, like like it popped out and here we have like just a significantly
longer time. You know, we went through the options. I won't bring
it back up, but she had to air air it out. Fucking hated
that shit. The sacrifice. I mean, you make a good argument,
I guess of like it is already in her and like what is she gonna
do? Catch a flight out of here and go back home and find Hicks
and Newt and just get a farm somewhere, like she is kind of at
the end of her journey. I think it's just really like the execution of
it was just so cheesy and ridiculous. The cgi aside, the like she's
just like standing up there like Jesus Christ, our Lord's Savior and just like
jumps back. It's very This movie overall is like a lot of Biblical like
themes, the whole redemption with the prisoners, and there's there's just like a
lot of I feel like biblical type references and sermons are very like profit percent.
So I think I just I didn't like that as a choice. I
mean, yeah, valid argument for her doing the sacrifice and taking that alien
down literally with her. It bursts you out of the chest. I was
kind of just like surprised about what I feel like because because it had been
so long that she just didn't have the faith Hugger. I felt like it
was just like a mind trick, that like she was playing on herself that
she just really thought the alien was in there, and then it just popped
out and it's like, oh, there it is Jack in the box.
And then she just death grips it, chokes the chicken as one would say,
and takes it down the lava with her or lad whatever the hell it
is at the lead didn't work? Remember that guy died for brutal way.
Well, I don't. I don't get what happened with the alien explicitly,
but the lead. Once it left the lead, then it exploded. But
it needed to get hit with the lead for that to happen, right,
I guess. So like I feel like I I can't. I can't say
one way that I'm sorry I saw just yesterday, But I can't answer the
lead controversy there the explosion, Taylor, what's your theory extended? I don't
know, impregnation period. I feel like they for this there is the involved
as well in this drink an ox milk? Is I want? Yeah?
Maybeywalker, I don't have I don't have a proper theory. My my kind
of head canon is that you know when you when you get impregnated, like
these things are at an accelerated rate, trying to like reproduce and go go.
Now, the only way you can look at this is Okay, hey,
this is a queen embryo, so maybe there's something different involved with that.
And now there are there are reports too, and some novelizations and stuff
or some impregnations. Last there are reports like it's a scene end thing.
During the election, there's reports that the Aliens won New Hampshire. Crypt Clue
episode. There's some reports about some some of the impregnations can go from forty
eight hours to a week. It can it can be like a very long
period of time. It's frozen again that like there's suspend an animation. Right,
how long is the course of this movie? Like two weeks? Is
it two weeks? I thought it was two weeks because they were saying like,
yeah, the ship will be here in like this period of time,
right, I thought they said two weeks, but I thought it was about
someone confirmed that the ship will be here when the gestation period is running up
for you Ripley exactly. Yeah, which two weeks is a very long time
for impregnation. But again, it is a queen embryo, so who knows
that's it Honestly, could just be sloppy storytelling and they're just trying to make
it work for them. However they want to make it work for them.
But the fact here, when you get uh, you get this end scene
of her just like falling and like grabbing the queen, I thought that was
that was cool, timed very very well, but it was cool. I
guess Lance Henrickson coming back again voicing Bishop was met, but also coming back
as the he's done, like the creator of the Bishop androids, right,
so but he we'll talk more about him and his connection to Whyland than when
we get to you know, move into the future here and other retro films.
But yeah, I think all in all, Seeinglish the company kind of
show up and just seeing what their motivations are here. And I mean this
bishop, the real one, he gets whacked in the head and his ear
is like dangling off to the side, and he's like Ripley, think of
what we could learn from it, Like he's just so passionate, but man,
be in fucking pain with that ear just hanging off the side of his
fucking head. But yeah, i'd probably be crying. Still, I can't
find anyone because the only thing when I find time stuff is people somehow how
much is between two and three, but not how much they are there.
But I found this one theory of about the egg saying she was infested with
an embro that was eventually meant to become a queen, and some people speculate
the gestation for those are longer, and then also the hibernation like we said,
but she was also receiving drugs after said hibernation, so some people think
those drugs could have done some fun that aliens. On birth control, you
can just you don't get rid of the Yeah, So there you go.
Kids, if you get pregnant, you can't get rid of your baby,
but if you take birth control you can make it stay longer. No,
that's no, that's not what I'm saying, Taylor. I'm saying you can
get pregnant and then take birth control after and you'll just be pregnant longer.
That's what old Bill, slow down the process that months. Yes, So
kids, if you like ladies out there, love that idea. Yeah,
you don't like that. December day, boom, there's a pill you're in.
That's what they were doing a ripley. But I can't really find a
whole like like how long it Like it almost feels like no one cares about
how long the was on those ship in Alien three. No one else is
the creators. I did not feel like it was two weeks. I'm not
going to say you guys are wrong, but I felt like it was like
a few days. I did not feel like it was you. It felt
much shorter than that. Yeah, like then the two weeks yep. I
just I remember another sequence here, just when they're trying to set up the
first trap and they're just putting all this highly flammable flames out, and the
one fucker like he drops his torch accident, like accidentally the first time,
and he's like crawling down to grab it, and then the alien kills him.
Then it drops again, and this is the cheeky eighty five is like
wait for this signal and then just it all explodes and just blows everyone up.
Yeah, real shitty. That is shitty. Yeah, sitt. I
think my favorite thing of this movie is the iconic imagery of Ripley in the
Alien, like right there. I didn't realize that that's what this movie was
or sorry, that scene was from this movie and it was great. I
mean it's iconic. It's been memed on a lot and seeing a lot of
just edits of like it's I feel like it's popped up and family guy,
like just it's been popped up everywhere. This reference to see it here,
it's just like, is the Leo thing? I just kind of pointed at
my TV, like there it is, that's the moone right there. So
funny enough, Fox did not want him to shoot that scene as my first
pine on trivia. At one point, Dave Fincher was denied permission by the
films producers to shoot a crucial scene in the infirmary between the Ripley and the
Alien, where the latter whatever Mansley, stares over you at to Dada.
Against orders, Fincher grabs some gowney weaver a camera and shot the scene anyway.
The scene not only appears in the found cut, but also is prominantly
featured in the trailers and many guards to the movie's most iconic shot, which
it is. I feel like it's just like an alien shot in general.
You see that all the time. It's like I feel like back in the
day when I'd watch old DVDs, like that shot would be in there.
So it's funny that this shot that out of everything from this movie, the
thing that I would say, people keep alien one aliens, and then this
shot is a shot that they said, ah, we don't. And even
then, it's just like, this is why, I imagine it must just
have fucking sucked this set, because like why why did they feel like,
don't shoot that scene? Like it's just like it's a cool scene. He
wants to establish the alien in her face off, Like what was it that
the producers on set or that were somewhere in a different studio watching dailies just
be like, yeah, don't we really don't want you to shoot that scene,
Like don't shoot like the fact that he had to go sneak a camera
to go do it, And there's other stuff too that he wished he could
have shot differently because he won different lighting he wanted it, and it's on
a iconic but just like why like why was that a hill they were wanting
to die? I'm like, no, don't don't shoot that scene. And
then at the end they're like, oh, look at those look at this
great shot, Like, I don't think it would have cost that much money.
Maybe that's it. It's just because it was another Alien shot and they're
like, oh, anything the alien costs money. So maybe that is it.
But I don't know, just in the grand scheme of things, seems
silly. But yeah, iconic shot. Kirkla and you know that guy that
does those, they're very like cheap kind of creations. He puts, Yeah,
he puts the toothpaste in the toothbrush and puts it like by his head
and like as I close up and it's th re created three. Yeah,
jam, he's so good. I haven't seen Alien one though, so you
have it. Oh, I'm gonna pull that one up here. I'm gonna
pop it up. Oh you're gonna do it for me. Thank you.
Something that stood out to me actually in this one more, I mean just
I think coming off of Alien one and Alien two sound design, I thought
the sound design and Alien one is like some of the best audio I've ever
experienced in a movie, Like it just totally uplifts scenes. And this one
was kind of the opposite for me, I didn't really notice it until the
third act. But when they're doing their plan with the doors, and then
stuff starts to go wrong and you have one character come across the doggies,
you know, chewing down and his buddy, I thought like my audio was
bugged or something, like I had headphones on. I was watching it,
and I like, I thought my one earbud was like crapping out or something
because there's like no audio at all, and then it like scurries at him,
and it's like not really like a like a classic like like were like
intense audio effect. It's just like it's just like quiet, but like with
a couple like pitter patters in there. Like I guess the choice is to
just take away the audio to have the visual be more into Like I don't
know the reasoning of it. It's just from that point on, it like
stood out to me. So then I was really listening for those for anything,
and then I realized that my earbuds weren't just fucked. It was just
that particular moment that sounded weird, and like, I just think that was
the moment where I really noticed it. So it's not like the first two
acts were like atrocious. They just weren't really stand outy, like they uh
just kind of I don't know whatever like went in my head. And I
feel like that's not necessarily a bad thing. But I mean in alien one,
for example, like when I just hear those like the audio effect of
them out on the like the planet, and it's just like the wind and
this like little tone that just comes in like yeah, oh, it's just
like a perfect blend, a perfect formula I think to set the tone.
And in that third act I realize of like, oh wow, this is
this is poor. This is a poor version of what I found so immaculate
for what they're able to do. And an alien specifically aliens is uh,
it's it's it's alright. It's definitely not to the alien level. But yeah
no, just in that one scene particular, it was just like what a
what a misstep in my opinion that it might be alone there. Oh Unfortunately
for me, there's just nothing really technical side to shut out, even aliens
too, which I don't like as much as one. There's still technical stuff
that's really great. And I think other than a few shots here or there,
shots sound design like it's all score, Like it's just it's not there.
It's all it's all like juiceless, you know. It's it's the fat
free version. It's like an orange that like you crack it open and there's
like no juice in it, Like it's just totally dehydrated, halfway dried up
orange. You don't like it. One audio thing I did like, though,
was the fake out of the twentieth century Fox theme at the beginning of
the movie That's a good show kind of Yeah, like, rather than getting
that that happy resolution, that heroic last note, it just like fades into
the creepy ass alien music. Yeah, but yeah, I agree with you.
I feel like the sound didn't really stand out in the music too,
and even just in general, like the aesthetical that it doesn't really feel like
a space movie and it's really not like there isn't a whole lot of space
going on. But then like at the starting end of the movie, there
is still a lot of like shots of like just space and like you know,
a sun crosy and cruising around the horizon of a planet from afar,
so they're still trying to establish that vibe, but it doesn't ever really feel
like a base movie. I mean doesn't need to be the other ones,
you know, they don't spend a ton of time in space. But there's
definitely more than this one. The first one, I guess is probably like
the biggest. Yeah, that one's all about it. Dylan Is that his
name? The Yeah, we've been a podcast nine years now, Dylan Muss.
That's right, Yeah, the other Dylan. I found it rather funny
when when he's just like like full Nelson on Ripley, like like pulling her
away of like the alien when they're when they're trying to do their plan of
like prepping the lead. Morse I think is the one guy that ends up
turning on the lead. I think it was just the execution of it just
seems strange to me because she's like fighting them off, but they're like both
saying the same thing of like yeah, come over here and go ahead,
like I don't know. It's just a really weird scene to me. And
then what followed, because like Ripley, she knows the aliens inside of her
the embryo, and she's like, oh, just let like I want to
die. It's like no, the plans to kill him will kill you.
And then she's climbing up the ladder, and but he's just not at all.
He's just chilling there. He's ready to just die for his sins,
I guess, And and he's the one that makes a sacrifice play. It's
so funny because he's like, we're gonna kill the alien and then we kill
you. But then what does he decide, Yeah, I'll go down and
do the lead thing. You stay up there, like, well, he
doesn't get to make the choice, right, like, because the alien's freaking
out and they're trying to get out, and so when he starts to climb,
the alien stops and goes up, and then he goes back down,
and then the alien goes back down, so we knew he had away though
they were like right beside each other. Oh, she just got up because
she's quick. Plus the alien, the alien, the alien's not trying to
kill her, right, That's the other thing as well. So in this
situation, the alien sees Dylan as a threat to Ripley, the host.
So that's why because as well too, we saw the aling get baited because
Dylan was grabbing Ripley and like pulling her and she was screaming for trying to
be like she was being threatened. Right, So the alien has identified Dylan
as the threat to the queen at this time. Okay, so that's the
reason why he pull nails there. Yeah, ok, I get what I
get. Terror is right. I also think with Kirkle and the execution of
it's very sloppy and it's just messy. The amount of times that Dylan mentions
or exclaims rather to pour the lead, it just it got comedic for me.
It was like maybe four times too many boor the leador, the lad
pull the lead and then he's dying to the alien is like jacking him up,
like just just cutting him to ship, tearing them aparty, like BOI
the lead, you want this mother, And he's like taunting the alien as
it's just shripping the parts, and he's like, poor the lad. He
is one tough motherfucker. I will give him that much, because he did
not get one shot by the alien. But it got comedic for me.
I think just the amount of poor of the leads. M h. I
agree. Uh. Why is the three a little three in the title of
this movie? Is it because it's like a little alien, right, It's
like smaller the dog type is that. Why is that? Why? I
hope that's I feel like, what other reason would it be? Right?
Because because to me it's like a power of alien cub pointential symbol. But
but that's not because there's only what two aliens in this right, like the
one and then yeah, like the yeah one three others of the movies,
so that that the math wasn't even out of there. No, it's the
power of three. I think it's what I said, I really do.
I really think it is that. Or it's just like because I don't think
I've ever seen a movie do that other than this one. Here, I
so shouts chat cheept. The three in the Alien three logos stylized is a
superscript small three to represent the concept of the third power or cube, a
litting with the theme of the third installment in the Alien film series. Design
Chowice emphasized the idea of the third movie being a continuation amplification of the franchise.
It's just an exponential increase in the tensity dangered evolution of the alien threat.
It's a creative way to visually represent the numeral three while also conveying a
sense of mathematical scientific progression. Sure did any of those PostScript it's because the
alien is small. Yeah, I don't know about that. Yeah, I
don't like that. I also just don't like the I just don't like the
little alien that we have in here. Like the idea of fusing with the
dog, I don't think it's like a terrible idea of just getting different variations
of them fusing with the creature, Like if we get sasquatch zeno morph that
would be pretty hype. Dog. I love dogs, but I just I
don't know, like as soon as we see the dog and the opening,
when like the crew is fine, I'm like, oh my god, we're
getting the fucking dogs, you know more if aren't we Like, it's just
it was it was a lot worse. It was a lot worse. I
guess of why it's smaller, it's because it was its host was a dog.
Kenan that it's like with any She's like, you know, there's just
variants in their sides because I didn't rely think about it being the dogs,
and they do a lot with that in Prometheus. Prometheus deals with a lot
of like if you're mixing this and that, this could be a bit orient
Deadlines Metchlorian's one scene I did really enjoy is. I think it's the funeral
scene when Dylan's giving his sermon, and I think that's actually like well written
and he's talking about each new seed is a new life, and like it
keeps cutting back between that scene and then like the dog just getting absolutely destroyed
and then the alien popping on a bit. So I thought that sequence was
actually really really cool, really well done. The guy falling to the fan,
that was that was nasty. I thought that was well done on the
visuals of it. I love how like like right away they were just gonna
like right off like, oh, he's just clumsy. He just fucking fell
him the fan. I told him to not go close to the fan and
he did it, Like they just yeah, that's what happened. He just
fell. It is just I don't know, they don't put him in a
high regard. He just in that through their point of view for the way
they're talking about it seemed like that's just like yeah, I think that the
sequence when Ripley goes and rebuilds Bishop to get the information from the shuttle,
I thought it's really cool. It's a really fun idea, and I think
that works well too, where he had that information that the company knew about
the alien, and that's obviously sets up why they're coming to the planet already.
So I thought all that stuff's pretty interesting. Yeah, I do like
that computer bit. I'm with you on that one. It was added some
intrigue there, So I think I'm on the fence with the the I guess
Bishop's designer Taylor said his name is the Creator, right, kind of known
as the Creator like being. I like the idea that you know he would
It's like it makes sense for a big company CEO guy to like have the
ego so big that he wants these androids to be based off of him and
like replicate him and almost make him immortal in a sense. So I think
some of that's cool, but I just feel like the whole ending of that,
I just feel like it's it's so much retread of things we've done before
in the past. And then just like you know, he is like sympathetic
at first, but then when he just turns to like just trying to capture
Ripley and capture the alien and takes like this full kind of evil turn,
It's just it's such a rushed sequence of it. I don't know what I
would have wanted instead. But yeah, it's like some cool ideas but just
poor execution, which I guess I couldn't save for a lot of this movie.
I don't think a lot. I think this movie is mostly the opposite,
where someone's executions good, but like the ideas suck for the most part.
So yeah, that was a thing. I think that was my last
note as well. Actually anything else I got? Uh? I found this
this gem earlier today. Oh yeah, it was hawk to Us. Did
you make that? I did not make it. I'm not making any hawk
to Us stuff. No, no, no, what is the left part
of that meme? I feel like there's an interesting video that's circulating. It's
the latest trend of this woman is like you gotta hok t on that thing,
and imagine how saying you need to spin on a cock? Spin on
a cock? She says hawk to It's in an interview, and so everyone's
like meming around with hawk Tua because she's the hawk to girl that I should
No, no, it's ana and what I'm gonna pete. I can't even
say it enough. Just trip me up. That's a word that sounds like
what it is, Yeah, exactly okay and hot. This is not need
to be in the alien Richer, This one that's gonna even forgot it in
here. The film production process was so chaotic and the reception my fans and
critics were so unfavable that nearly ended Dave Avenger's career before We ever had a
chance of game momentum. But two things ended up saving him from permanent movie
jail. First thing was are we republic publicly and often angrily side with Finchergain's
Fox, telling journalists that this too had made decisions that resulted in an impossible
situation for a young director, and that he would have an excellent career given
the further chances. The other thing was producer Arnold Copan's son knew that new
and didn't respect Fox management, and that was part of the process where he
ultimately offered Fincher a new project years later, and that project was Seven.
So pretty cool that he's producing this movie. He can see, man,
the studio is really fucking him over. But he got talent years later.
So that's three years later, Seven, which is like one of his biggest
films that definitely propels and that was a big film that year. So kind
of cool that how many years later was three years later, so kind of
cool that producer is like, yeah, he's definitely got something here. Did
he do another movie in between this and seven? Ooh, I feel like
he did. I feel like seven there was still like a Mulligan. Oka.
Yeah, I take a look. I feel like there's a Mulligan in
there and one that was better. So let's see, there's these are a
few notes kind of like this. David Fincher later stated the constitutey interference made
the film's trace so far from his vision that the only way to make a
director's cut would be to burn the entire negative and start over. He also
admitted that in the nineteen ninety two La Riots, when they started and it
got close to the labor of the film's negatives had been developed, he had
hoped the entire building would burn down and the film with it. So he's
in the mob. He's like wearing a mask or something. Come on this
way. No, no, no, this doesn't do this. No,
let's get it. They're they're the man. Uh first, let's see,
okay. Yeah. He had to work on it for two years then got
fired off at three times and had to fight for every single thing. No
one hates this film more more than the more than me to this day,
and no one hates it the way I do, he said. Concert studio
interference from the production actually worked out when the studio rejected his initial cut and
order extensive reshoots. He was not involved in the final cut, and yeah,
we kind of talked about that. Hell yeah, there is an assembly
cut of other stuff that was cut, but he didn't want anything to do
with that. I think seven was his second movie. Did like another bunch
of what looks like music videos and commercials and things. Damn seven was his
second movie. What a way to come back? And I want to over
Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman thinking they had they related to trust those producers like
no man, like I know he did Alien three, but like trust me,
like these do something good and you know trusted Arnold that must have whatever
you said his name was. Oh yeah. It was just been like the
best on set experience coming off of Alien three till like seven, even if
it wasn't great, just the jump up of I imagine, yeah, no,
don't do the scene of What's in the box like, let's just not
do let's just not do that. I don't know. We'll have to wait
till we get to a seven retrospective one day. I don't know when one
day. Oh my god, it's so good. Also, never seen fight
Club? Oh my god, Wow, I haven't, Taylor. Really,
it's this is just a me and retrospective now, my god, fight Club.
But it's crazy. I can give you a second work. Finally watched
Broke Back Mountain. Recent fantastic movie. Right, I'm trying to get through
it. I'm trying to get through all these old movies that I haven't seen
it. Fantastic movie. Right, Yeah, I really enjoyed. It was
very good, good and he was quiet, so I was worried. U
director David Fincher did Let's see Sorry? Where was I? A lotless?
Alien three was greenlit by the studio because it was considered to be a sure
hit, and this was that time where Fox was having lots of bombs.
The studio head was already said a release date before a screenplay or even a
story outline had been decided upon. Fincher later said that the lack of direction
in the story was a source of many creative disagreements and productional difficulties. While
he was trying to deliver the best possible film, the studio didn't seem particularly
concerned with the quality as long as the movie was released on its date.
Fincher comment that in his inexperience made things worse, and since this was his
rectial debut, he did not have a successful one to back up his opinion,
give the studios and producers ample reason to ignore any input. So yeah,
they just kind of big leading the whole time, like, oh,
you're here to do this, and so yeah, he said, you wanted
to be it darker than when it got here, which I think it's still
a dark movie. You still killed noon everything. But here's what I talked
about a little bit where some of them he got an issue with the writers.
Dave Fincher did not like the final script written by producers Walter Hill and
David Giller, and they fought bitterly over it for two months as production was
postponed from November nineteen ninety to January. So yeah, January nineteen ninety one,
So for two months they were going back and forth with let's see,
Fincher hired a guy named Pickett brought him for a complete four weeks of rewrite,
and then the Steel like their version and went with there. But then,
much to the original writer's anger, who furiously withdrew from the production and
ran where is it here? So what happened was they rewrote some of the
script, but then the original writers took the original script, so Fincher and
the new writer did not have that script. So then they just had to
rewrite their like the script of that script. Like it just was a mess.
It was just with the mess with the writers and everything like that.
So it sounds like a lot of stuff went on. Let's see here I
already talked about. Yeah, I talked about how they wanted to really Scott
said he would have came back if they were doing an origin movie, but
obviously that didn't happen. Let's see, Yeah, seven million dollars were spent
on sets that were never used due to the ever changing script. So yeah,
just seven million worth of sets just sitting there and doing nothing. Michael
Beanan, who played Hicks, stated interview that he was deeply hurt he was
not asked to return, but even more so the film opened Hicks immediately being
killed off. He started that he did find Hicks dying per se, but
objected the careless way that they did in the film. He therefore refused the
studio permission to use a dummy corpse of his likeness, but allowed them to
use his photo. So and at one point, I guess there was talks
of an opening where he was killed, and that's where some of the disagreement
came in. But yeah, it even came to the point where they would
not he wouldn't use their likeness. So that's why you don't see Hicks's face
on that dummy. So yeah, we talked about singory. We she was
down to shave her head and the other people were like, she said the
quotes It's fine with me only as long as I get more money, which
you know, as we talked about that must have been the main reason for
doing this one. Once Hendrickson agreed to reprise his role as Bishop as a
personal favor to Walter Hill, who's the producer. To this day, Henderson
said he dislikes the film for its nihilistic views, even though he had fun
making it. So there you go. Let's see. I think I covered
that one already. At one point, they wrote in the original treatments for
these films. They were gonna do a two parter and shoot them back to
back. Sat Guria Weaver's question was return as Ripley, Where did I just
go there? The first part she was gonna So because of that, they're
gonna write the first movie she was going to be in a coma, and
then they'd if they could get her back for the second one, they'd bring
her back there. So they weren't gonna when the film was two parter,
they would have her there, and then Hicks was hopefully gonna be the main
character. So there's all I'd love to see all the versions they paid for
for the not a script of they're gonna do two parter and then Sigourney Weamber
maybe wasn't in it, so they had the idea of, we'll keep her
in a coma, Hicks will be the main character the first part, we'll
work on getting Sangourney back and then get her in for the second part,
and then they just lost Hicks overall. So there was it was a whole
world win of stuff going on. And finally to what Kirkle was talking about,
you didn't like the alien dog. Although the alien hatch from the dog
was a road rod puppet. Early film tests use an actual dog in an
alien costume. The dog was a whippet owned by one of the special effects
people, which was used to dress in a suit and a muzzle. However,
a special effects team thought the dog's movements made the alien look rather comical,
so the idea was scrapped in favor of the puppet. So I guess
at one point, yeah, they just had a full suit on the dog
and was like this, this will work, and then once they got back
like, oh, this doesn't work at all, So I'm not sure if
that's also why so that CGI is bad because that was maybe not the intent.
They want to attend to do those alien running scenes practical, and then
when they looked at it, they went all, this shure looks like shit.
So yeah, do you want to see a photo of it please?
Of the dog. I really do get one of the ox too, if
you don't mind. Yea, yeah, alien ox. That's more intimidating.
So it's not it's not like like video video footage, but it's just like,
well, I get it adds on, it adds on, So there's
the getting scary. The skin suit. Oh they do got video? There
we go. It's like a necromonger from fucking Chronicle Ritic, you know,
the one I do not. I don't either. Yeah, I just want
to see them get that head on it. Do they have to put the
whole head on it too? You kept them on a leash too? Oh
yeah, there's the like, why, yeah, why did they think this
was a good idea? Why? Even on my I feel bad for him?
Yeah, I do too. I don't like I don't like animal sports
and stuff either. So this is the nineties or a different time. Why,
like, why even at this point you look at and you just go,
yeah, let this is not gonna work out? Why and get them
on the set and move them around. Poor dog hopefully got paid well Likexan
Gourney. Hopefully you got least a point five million. You know that's pretty
freaky. But I mean you can tell it's a dog. But I mean,
if you've never seen Alien movie and this thing fucking charges at you,
I mean, I don't know. The more it runs, the more it
looks like a different dog species could have been, yes, like a great
Dane or something, you know, like something large. I don't know,
absolutely too, dog, that bulldog breathing you'll kill You'll kill a bull dog
with their breathing issues, like here suit this thing up. I don't have
any final thoughts. Really not a great movie. I don't really know what
my score would be, like, I think I'm like a four out of
ten. I think I can't pass the I don't even think it's a five
for me. I think because that's probably some of the more egregious story choices.
I think as a movie, it's not like an all time bad movie,
but stuff like for me, like I said, Hicks a new like
that is a big thing that just sucks. That's like not a fan of
that. So yeah, I'll go four or ten. I can't can't pass
this one. Can't even be on the line of a fifty percent. Can
anyone remember what I gave Aliens? I think I gave that a four?
Right, Oh my god, I think you're pretty high on Aliens. No,
he wasn't. No, I think he failed that. Yeah, podcast,
so would you give him this? I guess I'll give this a five
on the right that mid mark. Here you go, Kirkling, I wanna
go three bucket, Yeah, Alien Ground little three exactly exponentially bad. Yeah,
Taylor, you can go last, because you're gonna maybe the at least
one passing score in here. I'm gonna be four out of ten. I'm
not gonna pass fail. I don't know what's the last cast we've all failed
the movie together. I think it doesn't fail. That's fifty. Okay,
we were close. But I would like to look into the the Annals of
History to be like when the Annals of History annals when did we fit all
fail a movie? Because I feel like it's always like that, like if
someone gave it a five, right, Like usually it's like at least a
six will be will be dropped, right. I'd really have to go through
a list we don't find. I don't give things threes very often. That's
a pretty score. No, because I feel like, luckily we don't review
those movies unless they're comic ones. But I feel like we only bumping those
in the retro when we're having to go back and watch some questionable stuff.
So did you pass Strangers? No? I don't think I did, But
then it wasn't on that so I would assume. I would assume Dylan wouldn't
pass it, So I guess I could say he has strangers would count.
But yeah, I think I think I gave that like a four out of
five four five to me? Is that? Like? What do you think
I would have given that one? A thumbs down? Just a straight up
have you given a number? Now? I feel like you're you're probably the
same. I think you're a three point five or lower for strangers. That's
where I think you are. It's pretty pretty unimaginable that one. Then well
there's a whole trilogy though, you know, not the new one that is,
That's what I mean. Didn't you get the new one? Then?
Yeah, but no, that's a trilogy, right. They filmed them all
back to back. Rainne Harlan, the guy who almost directed this movie.
He's making those stranger things. My brain, I can't handle this information.
That's fine, ladies, gentlemen. We'll be back next week. We thought
this got a little rocky, but we'll be back next week with Alien Resurrection,
oh boy, and it will not be boring. See Yeah,