1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:05,440 Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Alien Retrospective. I'm 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:10,279 the clown Prince of Rewrites Trust Now, and I'm joined by I'm the dog 3 00:00:10,679 --> 00:00:17,320 co Combatser. I am the negative Capability Dilmas eighty five. There you go, 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,519 ladies, woman having guests by the name or well, I guess it's 5 00:00:20,559 --> 00:00:24,519 different when we're doing the retrospectives. But yes, we're doing the Alien retrospective. 6 00:00:24,519 --> 00:00:29,120 We're doing retrospective for every Alien movie, which is gonna transition us also 7 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,719 into a VP. And then we're also gonna be doing a sidequest episode of 8 00:00:32,719 --> 00:00:36,119 Isola Isolation, right right, I've said, right, okay, yeah, 9 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,840 and then there's also gonna be like a comic book centric one where we're gonna 10 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:45,320 read, uh, Alien versus Avengers, and Wolverine versus Predator and Black Panther 11 00:00:45,439 --> 00:00:48,759 versus Predator. And also we've talked about this for years, Taylor, you've 12 00:00:48,759 --> 00:00:52,320 never seen it. I'm gonna throw and we're gonna watch the eight minute short 13 00:00:52,359 --> 00:00:55,359 film one of the most famous short films all time, Dead End, where 14 00:00:55,399 --> 00:00:59,640 Batman fights the alien predator and it's like these guys that are very high productive. 15 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,119 Have you seen it? Just STI a long time ago. Oh I 16 00:01:02,119 --> 00:01:03,040 thought we had never seen it. Maybe not, but yeah, it's eight 17 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,079 minute. It is a really good as these guys like in the early two 18 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,519 thousand's got a bunch of miney together and it's like like high quality costumes and 19 00:01:10,519 --> 00:01:12,920 everything. But uh yeah, So a couple of fun things along the way 20 00:01:14,799 --> 00:01:17,719 to get ready for Alien Ronalds, which is coming out in August, and 21 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,680 there's lots of ways you can support us. But I'll tell you a little 22 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,560 bit about that later. We'll get in some overall floughts first, so uh 23 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,599 oh, I'll leave Tayter for last, and Kirkland's chomping away on some uh 24 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,560 some niz bit there. So I'm gonna throw the man at the golden throat 25 00:01:30,599 --> 00:01:36,120 dyl muss uh because I feel like we've talked about this before. But do 26 00:01:36,159 --> 00:01:38,799 you have you seen Alien three? If so, what were your memories of 27 00:01:38,799 --> 00:01:42,519 it back then? And if not, what are your thoughts now? Yeah? 28 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,439 Well I found something. So remember on the first episode I was talking 29 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,000 about my history with Aliens started with an nes game back in the day. 30 00:01:49,159 --> 00:01:57,439 I found my case for that's a that's a massive case. You know, 31 00:01:57,519 --> 00:02:00,799 the games are like that that big. Yeah, I guess so, right, 32 00:02:01,239 --> 00:02:02,959 So I don't know why the box. I guess they wanted them to 33 00:02:02,959 --> 00:02:07,519 look like movie movie cases. Yeah, they're not all that big, right. 34 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,000 I feel like the other games that era the box aren't that big. 35 00:02:09,039 --> 00:02:13,280 I think all the NES boxes are this big, really, and then the 36 00:02:13,319 --> 00:02:16,319 SNS ones are like horizontal, aren't they probably a bit smaller? And then 37 00:02:16,319 --> 00:02:21,039 any and then N sixty four is kind of similar to but they're the big 38 00:02:21,039 --> 00:02:24,039 plastic like the NES ones are usually like this, like in the store, 39 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,759 you know, but that remember in A ten sixty four those are more greed 40 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:30,400 just because the actual cartridge is not that big, but the box is big. 41 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:35,599 It was like the boxes are always get destroyed because they sit nicely. 42 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,599 Okay, anyway, So my first experience with Alien three was through this game 43 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:43,080 when I was like five or six years old or something. And it's funny, 44 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,120 I've never you know, the pixelart on it is. It's an old 45 00:02:45,159 --> 00:02:47,120 ass game, so there's so little detail that I never really thought about, 46 00:02:47,199 --> 00:02:51,360 like, Okay, what am I actually looking at when I'm playing the game. 47 00:02:51,599 --> 00:02:53,599 And it turns out that it says like you're going through the facility trying 48 00:02:53,599 --> 00:02:57,159 to find prisoners, and that's like the whole game is. You're going through 49 00:02:57,599 --> 00:03:00,479 just saving people in different areas. So it kind of makes sense now it 50 00:03:00,479 --> 00:03:04,280 all connects to my brain. But anyway, that's my first experience with it. 51 00:03:04,319 --> 00:03:07,680 But then movie wise, once again, it's the same old thing where, 52 00:03:07,159 --> 00:03:10,439 yeah, like about a decade ago, I watched all these movies and 53 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,439 yeah, the memory of it not really that strong at all, Like all 54 00:03:14,439 --> 00:03:17,639 of them kind of blend together, mixed together. So yeah, I didn't 55 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:23,560 have a whole lot of expectation going into this, but yeah, I don't 56 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,840 know this one. Just like Aliens and even Alien to an extent, I 57 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,240 think Alien less, so that was more like I really enjoyed that movie than 58 00:03:30,319 --> 00:03:34,080 just some of the effects near the end didn't hold up. But otherwise, 59 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,960 like this and Aliens, they have such a clear list of like pros and 60 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,560 cons for me, where there's some stuff that are really fun or interesting or 61 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:45,680 unique, but then other things that are just so bad or poorly done. 62 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,159 I think for the most part, the effects look really good in this movie 63 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,039 until you get to the very end and then went to like cgifest on the 64 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:54,960 Alien, then that looks really bad. But I feel like the practical stuff 65 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:59,319 they had in like the first you know, two thirds of the movie whatever 66 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,960 it was, looked really good. I think story wise, like this is 67 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,960 probably the least ambitious of the movies. I mean, I guess the first 68 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:09,319 one, like it's a pretty simple story, but it's the first one Aliens. 69 00:04:09,319 --> 00:04:11,280 I feel like he is trying a lot more than this. Just just 70 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,439 this feels like a bit of a rehash on certain elements. There's some crazy 71 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,279 choices even at the start of just like characters that are like, oh yeah, 72 00:04:17,319 --> 00:04:21,000 they're just kind of dead now we're just moving on from that. And 73 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,959 then you know, there was one main character here, what was his name, 74 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:30,920 the doctor doctor? Oh, Dylan was the other guy. Dylan is 75 00:04:30,959 --> 00:04:35,360 not the doctor Clemens. I thought there was some good chemistry between Clemens and 76 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:40,920 uh and uh Ripley here, but then he just kind of like goes away 77 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,519 like really early on or two earlier than I wanted, I suppose. So 78 00:04:44,959 --> 00:04:46,040 I don't know, there's things I like about this overall. I think I 79 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:51,519 enjoyed it more than Aliens, but I still think it's a like significantly weaker 80 00:04:51,519 --> 00:04:56,959 movie than the original one. But overall, yeah, I did I guess 81 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,319 I enjoyed the characters and setup and like the suspense of it a bit more 82 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,759 than Aliens. Maybe it was a bit toned back on just like the pure 83 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:08,560 action of it and instead kind of got a bit scarier again and a lot 84 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,120 of suspense building and all that. So yeah, it was. It was 85 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,040 a decent time going back to this. I don't think I'll rewatch this for 86 00:05:15,079 --> 00:05:17,160 a very very very long time. I don't think there's much in here that 87 00:05:17,199 --> 00:05:21,199 I need to, you know, add to that rotation of yearly watches or 88 00:05:21,199 --> 00:05:28,839 anything like that. Mister Patzer, Yeah, this was a fresh watch for 89 00:05:28,879 --> 00:05:31,639 me. I don't think I've ever seen Alien three before ever, which is 90 00:05:33,199 --> 00:05:36,480 I don't know, like I thought I remembered certain scenes, but I feel 91 00:05:36,519 --> 00:05:42,439 like I'm just combining scenes from like AVP and like Aliens now like in my 92 00:05:43,079 --> 00:05:49,040 in retrospective. But yeah, this one for me, like Aliens was a 93 00:05:49,079 --> 00:05:53,319 drop off from Alien and now I'm just like in a different ballpark. I 94 00:05:53,319 --> 00:05:55,920 feel like I am. I just really don't like this movie. I'm never 95 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,839 gonna rewatch this movie again. Like it brings down Ripley as a character for 96 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:02,920 me, actually seen this movie just with some of her decisions and where her 97 00:06:02,959 --> 00:06:08,000 head's at. And it's just like, as we're going along, like, 98 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,560 I don't think I've ever seen Resurrection either, So I'm like a little bit 99 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,839 scared. If you went down low, you're about to go six ft on 100 00:06:15,959 --> 00:06:20,240 your resurrection. And you know, and you know what, you hold those 101 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:24,079 a VP movies in such high regard, but you haven't watched them as an 102 00:06:24,079 --> 00:06:26,680 adult. So I'm also saying buckle up for that as well. I think 103 00:06:27,079 --> 00:06:29,920 I think Resurrection might hit you the right way in some aspects, Kirk. 104 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,480 I'm hoping, I think so, Ron Pearlman, you know, run Pearlman. 105 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,759 Okay, that's just kick to the balls. It's probably gonna feel good. 106 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,439 It's gonna feel good. Don't don't worry. You might like this. 107 00:06:41,519 --> 00:06:44,680 But I did not like this movie. No, I didn't. I feel 108 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,800 like there's a handful of things I could say that I liked in it. 109 00:06:49,959 --> 00:06:53,519 Yeah, I won't cross off that list right now. We'll get into the 110 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,839 movie when we get into the movie. But yeah, I don't know. 111 00:06:55,959 --> 00:07:02,040 It's just I think it's for me. It's mostly I don't actually know. 112 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,319 I don't even know what it is. Like. I think I'm just gonna 113 00:07:04,319 --> 00:07:08,040 have to go through the move with you guys as we go along and see 114 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,040 where you guys feel on some of the decisions that they made with this. 115 00:07:11,319 --> 00:07:14,560 And but right off the hop, I think it was just kind of a 116 00:07:15,639 --> 00:07:17,920 It wasn't like a slight decline into like my not enjoying this movie, or 117 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,360 like I can't even pick out like a specific act that lost me like they 118 00:07:21,399 --> 00:07:25,920 had me the first act or in Aliens, I really didn't like the first 119 00:07:25,959 --> 00:07:28,959 act like at all, and then the second and third was all rise for 120 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:34,959 me, and this one it just it's just a disappointing start and pretty disappointing 121 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:40,279 ending. Actually, so maybe in the second act I peaked a little bit. 122 00:07:40,319 --> 00:07:42,639 We'll see, we'll see how it goes when we get there. We'll 123 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,160 see. Well, you say you don't know what act you know it lost 124 00:07:46,279 --> 00:07:49,199 yet, and you know, for me, I know exactly where it was. 125 00:07:49,639 --> 00:07:53,079 It's not even an act. It's like down to the seconds. It's 126 00:07:53,079 --> 00:07:57,079 about thirty seconds in when they show certain characters in their fate. But we'll 127 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,639 get more specifically in that. Yeah, this is just like we're gonna get 128 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,600 into it too at the tribute portion. This trivia is gonna be a little 129 00:08:03,639 --> 00:08:07,000 longer because I wanted to put a bunch of notes, but there is pages 130 00:08:07,079 --> 00:08:11,959 among pages of how much trouble this movie was in and how much rewrites, 131 00:08:11,959 --> 00:08:16,360 And we talk about last week like Dave Fincher hates this fucking movie. He 132 00:08:16,439 --> 00:08:18,199 wants nothing to do with it. He actually just talked about from the first 133 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:22,279 times He's talked about a few times over the years, but last year for 134 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,839 The Killer, they did like a big spread on Empire magazine. I think 135 00:08:24,839 --> 00:08:28,680 they talk about every single one of his films, like the first time in 136 00:08:28,759 --> 00:08:31,000 over almost two decades he had like talked about it, and you know, 137 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,879 he said, at least he learned some stuff. But there's a whole bunch 138 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:37,600 of things that were just from day one. Like to set it an example, 139 00:08:37,639 --> 00:08:39,759 like they're going to shooting and the script's not even done. It's that 140 00:08:39,879 --> 00:08:43,600 type of stuff where like, okay, here we go. And I think 141 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,440 some of that shows and then I think some just like the concept. It's 142 00:08:46,519 --> 00:08:50,720 tough because I think there's some there's some good moments in here, and I 143 00:08:50,759 --> 00:08:54,799 don't think acting is atrocious, So I don't think it's a level of bad 144 00:08:54,919 --> 00:08:58,360 word is in all timer. I think it's just tough when it's in for 145 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,639 me. Comparison to the other two, I feel both those are high quality, 146 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,360 especially Alien But yeah, it's it's a pretty big nose time, and 147 00:09:05,399 --> 00:09:07,480 I guess it's just one of those that you just look around and you go, 148 00:09:07,639 --> 00:09:13,080 that's it's just it's just not good. There's not much. There's nothing 149 00:09:13,639 --> 00:09:18,320 to really someone other than other that. I think now when I'm older, 150 00:09:18,519 --> 00:09:20,840 I think Star Wars has done this to me. I can do a good 151 00:09:20,919 --> 00:09:24,919 job of I just kind of pretend these movies don't exist, and they're like, 152 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,960 what is actually it's a combo of Star Wars. And when they start 153 00:09:28,039 --> 00:09:30,240 doing that shit with Halloween, when they're like, oh, well, these 154 00:09:30,279 --> 00:09:33,600 are actually sequels to these movies and these movies don't exist, they're like, 155 00:09:33,759 --> 00:09:35,720 oh, we can just do that now in Hollywood, now, okay. 156 00:09:35,799 --> 00:09:37,720 So that's why I just pretend Alien to one and two happen, And that's 157 00:09:37,759 --> 00:09:41,559 pretty much it. I disregard everything else. Even at one point when Neil 158 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,120 Blomcamp was trying to make a sequel Taar, Wasn't it just a sequel to 159 00:09:45,399 --> 00:09:48,759 Aliens? Right? They were gonna get cut everything else before Disney bought them 160 00:09:48,799 --> 00:09:52,360 and Ridley Scott kind of shot it down, so that was annoying. But 161 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,720 yeah, they originally were gonna do the Haoween thing, were they gonna make 162 00:09:54,759 --> 00:09:56,279 a sequel just aliens. And that's when you know it's not good. When 163 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,679 it's like when you're in the section movie that's gonna get excluded, that's in 164 00:10:00,759 --> 00:10:03,679 you're in that camp. And uh, yeah, I don't think schore Weir 165 00:10:03,799 --> 00:10:05,720 was bad. I think I agreed Dylan like I liked again that's something I 166 00:10:05,799 --> 00:10:09,240 do like, and then it it just gets cut out from under us. 167 00:10:09,279 --> 00:10:13,759 It's like, oh cool, it's some like a semblance of a good idea 168 00:10:13,879 --> 00:10:16,440 here, and it's just gone. There's a few little things that I like. 169 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:22,159 Sci fi wise, I actually don't mind the the ending per se. 170 00:10:22,879 --> 00:10:26,200 It's tough for me to swell because I know what's coming, but I don't. 171 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,840 I don't mind it for the character because I do feel like that would 172 00:10:28,879 --> 00:10:31,399 make sense for what the character would do. Even though I'm with Kirklee with 173 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,639 there's many times Ripley just it feels like she's just setting up these people to 174 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,320 fucking just get destroyed, you know, like she like, we'll get into 175 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,000 it, but she's just not good at helping people out in this one. 176 00:10:41,039 --> 00:10:43,240 But yeah, no, this is not a not a good film, not 177 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,960 anything that carries on the legacy. A few good moments. I hate the 178 00:10:48,039 --> 00:10:52,799 CGI Alien with a passion so much. It looks so bad. The coloring 179 00:10:52,919 --> 00:10:56,080 is off. He just stands out. It's just a couple of shots, 180 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,320 sure, but it's just yeah, it's a It was tough watching. I 181 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,720 think I'm with Kirkle like I've seen and I guess my first time. I 182 00:11:01,799 --> 00:11:05,200 think I I think I said this last week where I feel other than Alien 183 00:11:05,279 --> 00:11:09,320 and Aliens. The rest of these have all seen once or twice in my 184 00:11:09,399 --> 00:11:11,360 life, and I think there's a reason, like I don't think I need 185 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:15,159 to return to Aliens three ever again after that and even then, like I 186 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:16,639 said before, many times, I just watched Alien and maybe Aliens, but 187 00:11:18,279 --> 00:11:20,639 there's there's really nothing here for me, especially for myself that's kind of pretends 188 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,399 like, ah, this didn't really happen. You know. We just end 189 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,200 with Aliens and that was where we went. So no, not not a 190 00:11:26,279 --> 00:11:30,840 good venture. But I will give us this example because we never knew a 191 00:11:30,879 --> 00:11:33,320 studio. You never know a studios and what goes on this with David Fincher's 192 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,480 first movie, and I'm sure back then if he would have been announced for 193 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,519 like the sequel, some sort of filming with all that guy that directed Aliens 194 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,320 three, like we do all the time with stuff that's where shows, hey, 195 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,759 you never know he can make this, and then going to make Gone 196 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:50,360 Girl and Fight Club and seven and The Killer last year the Game. Yeah, 197 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:56,240 like he's top five director for me. So rocky start to his career. 198 00:11:56,519 --> 00:11:58,559 But it all worked out, So, I mean, it's interesting. 199 00:11:58,639 --> 00:12:01,480 It's like a very similar situation at Ridley Scott as we talked about, Like 200 00:12:01,879 --> 00:12:05,440 I don't think Alien was his first movie, it was like his second or 201 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,080 something, yeah, second, but like and they had worked on like if 202 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,000 you go on David Fincher's career prior to this, it's just like one hundred 203 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,159 music videos that he had like directed, which is you know, he's obviously 204 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,399 he was doing something, but it's very different than directed. That's how it 205 00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:20,080 worked in the nineties music videos and commercial with Ridley Scott. Yeah, he's 206 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:24,519 a commercial guy too, so it's interesting that they picked similar people for that, 207 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,120 but like for Aliens, they picked I mean at that time, what's 208 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,879 his name? I can't JC James Cameron at that time, like he's he 209 00:12:33,039 --> 00:12:35,559 wasn't as established as he was even ten, all right, but he still 210 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:41,240 had Terminate that was already a huge similar genre movie that you know, you 211 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,440 could point to as like a good reason why he'd be a good pick. 212 00:12:43,759 --> 00:12:46,679 Yeah, And funny enough, Fincher was the third choice because there was two 213 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,799 other people that had agreed to direct this and they passed on it eventually once 214 00:12:50,879 --> 00:12:56,639 there was script issues. Direction know who those people were, I can find 215 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,919 out. The first one I can't remember his saying. The second one is 216 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:01,960 Rennie Harlan. He had a bit, he did a Nightmare movie in the 217 00:13:03,039 --> 00:13:05,120 eighties, He did die Hard, and he just recently he did Ieheart too. 218 00:13:05,399 --> 00:13:09,879 He just recently did the New Strangers movie. So he's a guy that's 219 00:13:09,919 --> 00:13:11,840 like directed a lot of kind of be material stuff and it's been like hit 220 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:16,320 or miss, But he's known for directing one of the better Nightmare sequels, 221 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,679 Like he did that and then that same week in Steven Spielberg called them and 222 00:13:20,759 --> 00:13:22,480 then got him die Hard. So it's like he and he was making some 223 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:28,360 really kind of wild, edgy horror movie stuff before Nightmare. So he's so 224 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,720 that's who was doing that on that one, and then I'll try and find 225 00:13:30,799 --> 00:13:35,480 who else. Think for anyone being given this kind of level of budget for 226 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,519 your first movie just feels super risky, no matter what, Like, I 227 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,879 feel like you should probably start with smaller. Okay. So it was Vincent 228 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,840 Ward who was at a ridge I didn't even really know. Yeah, I 229 00:13:48,399 --> 00:13:52,039 the Wards. Yeah him. I don't think I've seen he's done Stage of 230 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:58,639 Siege, A, Vigel the Navigator, Map of the Human Heart, What 231 00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:03,200 Dreams Become, River Queen, and Rain of the Children. I've never seen 232 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,279 one of those films. I feel like he must have passed away. Am 233 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,000 I wrong? Is he still alive. I think he's alive. Just stopped 234 00:14:09,039 --> 00:14:13,679 working in eight So yeah, i'd never heard of hims that could have been 235 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:15,840 well, that could have been even really a big career. No, he's 236 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,519 still live. So sorry, Vincent. I hope you were living a good 237 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:20,879 life. Maybe he's back. I don't think. I don't think he's doing 238 00:14:20,919 --> 00:14:24,679 anything now. I think he's just done. Hollywood said, oh wait, 239 00:14:24,039 --> 00:14:28,440 commercials. So he has a movie in production rate, So he hasn't directed 240 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,639 since two thousand and eight. He's directing a move right now called Storm School, 241 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:35,840 which is no plot okay and no stars no, So he's making a 242 00:14:35,919 --> 00:14:39,840 comeback. So Vincent ward fans get ready. The Wardster is a fuck yeah 243 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:45,200 Wardster. That's that's almost a twenty year that's what it is. At a 244 00:14:46,159 --> 00:14:50,960 sixteen year absence from Hollywood. That's a that's a big break. So yeah. 245 00:14:52,159 --> 00:14:54,879 So and then yeah, Radny Harlan who did a bunch of stuff there. 246 00:14:54,039 --> 00:15:00,320 So all right, mister Field, where do you lie on Alien three? 247 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:01,600 Which is so weird because I think, like we got Alien and then 248 00:15:01,639 --> 00:15:05,039 aliens, an Alien resurrection and three. They just couldn't think of anything, 249 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:09,919 like they just I'd just call Alien three, you know, so the worst 250 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,519 tagline ever too. It's like three times a tear, three times of scares, 251 00:15:13,919 --> 00:15:16,799 Like it's just three times something. And you would think from the poster 252 00:15:16,879 --> 00:15:18,919 that would mean, oh, there's three aliens in this movie, but there's 253 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,120 not. There's like three times the aliens of la movie. Like that's kind 254 00:15:22,159 --> 00:15:26,960 of what I was expecting. So never mind think about that, because it 255 00:15:26,039 --> 00:15:28,360 was just I just saw Alien three like that was lazy. They coudn't. 256 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:35,080 They couldn't think of anything, you know. So when I first saw Alien 257 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,159 three, and I was aware of it. I remember I was at my 258 00:15:37,159 --> 00:15:41,639 grandparents' house. My grandpa had like a whole stack of like the big like 259 00:15:41,879 --> 00:15:45,519 wall shelves of just VHS's, and in that mix was just a copy of 260 00:15:45,559 --> 00:15:50,600 Alien three on VHS. The cover box art was just bald headed Ripley just 261 00:15:50,679 --> 00:15:54,799 standing there and smoke around her. This is an interesting cover art, but 262 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,360 I never got around to watching until finally when I was young and I was 263 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:03,399 doing my Allian Binge watch and I got through Alien and then I loved Aliens 264 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,840 that holy fuck, this is amazing, Like, oh, we got more 265 00:16:06,919 --> 00:16:10,440 movies. I can't wait to get into this. And I remember watching it 266 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:15,879 for the first time with my cousins and I was really really just turned off 267 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:22,080 from that first viewing of this movie because of what it did to the characters 268 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:26,960 right out of the gate. From Aliens, I loved Hicks. Hicks was 269 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,679 awesome, and I loved Nude. I thought they wrote for fantastic characters alongside 270 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:34,879 first five minutes. Yeah, both of those very fucking dead. Absolutely, 271 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,799 and it's just it's brutal. But I could just imagine in last Jedi of 272 00:16:38,919 --> 00:16:47,960 Ray woke up and Poe and Ben were just dead. It's yeah, like 273 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,360 really, but it's just it's such a wild choice, you know, it 274 00:16:51,559 --> 00:16:56,759 is. And I've I could probably say I've probably watched it less than like 275 00:16:57,279 --> 00:17:03,799 four times. I really haven't gone back to it a lot, uh that 276 00:17:03,919 --> 00:17:06,960 being said, like I'm familiar with it, but I've just been so turned 277 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,759 off by the by the movie and just what it did to those characters. 278 00:17:08,799 --> 00:17:11,240 So I never really felt that pull to it. And if I ever wanted 279 00:17:11,279 --> 00:17:17,039 to go see Aliens again, I'm going to a VP or I'm doing Alien 280 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:21,319 or Aliens. Those are those are like my go tos, and then Resurrection 281 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:23,759 we'll talk about none of the really, Scott, none of the prequels. 282 00:17:23,799 --> 00:17:27,480 Eh, No, honestly, I don't. I haven't seen Covenant again since 283 00:17:27,519 --> 00:17:33,279 theaters. Prometheus I watched a couple of times. I have. I have 284 00:17:33,319 --> 00:17:34,720 a digital copy of that one actually, so I've seen it a couple of 285 00:17:34,759 --> 00:17:37,759 times, but not a lot. Was it the Riddler that did those ones? 286 00:17:41,079 --> 00:17:45,039 I'm a nickname guy tonight, I'm gonna yeah, Riley Scott came back 287 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,599 because I'll probably go deeper to it. But at one point in the trivia, 288 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,599 Rennie Harlan the second director, and Ridley Scott he wanted to do it. 289 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,079 They both had the pitch that they should do a prequel to Aliens. 290 00:17:57,079 --> 00:18:00,640 So even back here in the this movie come out here ninety two, a 291 00:18:00,799 --> 00:18:03,799 year before I was born, even then, really Scott was wanting to do 292 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,400 prequel stuff with it. So I feel like he never really want and like 293 00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:11,000 I said, they were trying to do that Alien screen movie and he got 294 00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:14,559 it shut down because he just made some bullshit or anything like that. So 295 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,480 I feel like he never really wanted to go forward. He always wanted to 296 00:18:17,519 --> 00:18:21,519 go backwards. So but yeah, he fighting him for twenty years, like 297 00:18:21,759 --> 00:18:23,960 well yeah, and they did Prometheus and Covenant because he just want to tell 298 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:29,799 those stories, which we'll get to but uh yeah, so yeah, this 299 00:18:30,599 --> 00:18:34,519 it's just it's funny, like what watching it now for this retro, I 300 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,079 feel like, and it has been a lot of time since I watched it 301 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:42,079 the last I feel like it's definitely put itself into a different kind of light 302 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,720 for me. Not that I'm praising or loving it, but I can definitely 303 00:18:45,839 --> 00:18:48,880 like look at and think, Okay, there's definitely some interesting things that they 304 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,039 did with this movie. It's also funny too, because I feel like this 305 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,000 is absolutely a cult classic film because when I look on and see what people 306 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:57,279 are talking about this film, a lot of people are like, all, 307 00:18:57,319 --> 00:19:03,079 this movie is just it's got such great like cinematography, it's got great like 308 00:19:03,279 --> 00:19:07,599 scenery in moments here and everything like that. Well that's let's just say. 309 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,839 There are some people that like praised this movie and other people that are just 310 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,680 shitting all over it, like this is a horrible movie, just atrocious. 311 00:19:14,759 --> 00:19:18,079 But it's the one movie too. And I don't know if you I don't 312 00:19:18,079 --> 00:19:19,960 know if you have this in your trivia notes, but I want to get 313 00:19:21,079 --> 00:19:26,680 the Alien Quadrilege quadrilogy set because it comes with that different alien Alien three. 314 00:19:26,799 --> 00:19:30,000 Yeah, and I think it has at least over a half an hour, 315 00:19:30,079 --> 00:19:33,640 maybe like forty minutes worth of different footage, and they change how the alien 316 00:19:33,759 --> 00:19:37,400 is introduced. They have like a new main antagonist in here aside from the 317 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,640 alien, like one of the prisoners. It's a totally different story. And 318 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,200 I'm just curious that is maybe not trustworthy and he wants to take the alien 319 00:19:45,279 --> 00:19:48,359 back. No joke, but I didn't put that into trivia. But yeah, 320 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,799 that's the only place that cut they use the assembly cut. Fincher did 321 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,079 not work on that. They invited him back to but he didn't, but 322 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,519 he entrusted. I can't remember someone that was part of the production, but 323 00:19:59,599 --> 00:20:00,839 they see he said they could do it as long as they just don't call 324 00:20:02,039 --> 00:20:04,279 director's cut, because he said the old I think I have some quote in 325 00:20:04,319 --> 00:20:07,000 Forrivie where he's like, the only way you get directors cut if you burn 326 00:20:07,079 --> 00:20:12,200 everything and go back to said and restart shooting. So like every quote he's 327 00:20:12,279 --> 00:20:15,400 ever said to me, he just it sounds like an x yife that like 328 00:20:15,519 --> 00:20:18,799 chewed on or something like. It's never there's never other than I feel like 329 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,640 last year is the most positive. And he's like, well, I learned 330 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,240 some things on that set. But yeah, there's no director's cut, but 331 00:20:25,279 --> 00:20:27,079 there's an assembly cut, so you got that. So there's just some stuff 332 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,160 that's put in, but it's it's still not edited. They like the same 333 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,799 way had director's cut would be so mm hmm. And that's that's how my 334 00:20:33,799 --> 00:20:37,359 bucket lists to get around to eventually to watch it. But yeah, this 335 00:20:38,279 --> 00:20:41,920 it's funny just for this film is just kind of stood because I mean, 336 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,279 you're right, Travis. There was that Blancamp film that was gonna kind of 337 00:20:45,319 --> 00:20:49,559 reckcon this. There's even the game Aliens Colonal Marines that came out years ago, 338 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:56,200 and that retcon Alien three and Resurrection like it just it brings Hicks back, 339 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,279 goes back onto LV four twenty six after Alien. So it's funny how 340 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,160 many different takes there have been to kind of rewrite this story and this narrative. 341 00:21:03,759 --> 00:21:07,839 That being said, watching it, I did get kind of like stoked 342 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,480 on how this movie kind of introduced a few things to the Alien universe. 343 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,000 And I think after like you see the different toys too that you get from 344 00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:19,000 Aliens. I think Aliens three definitely added a lot more to like the toy 345 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,559 line and stuff like that. All those toys. I think those toys like 346 00:21:22,839 --> 00:21:26,440 things they use in the future films. Like, I don't think they introduced 347 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,480 lots of tech. Like first they're like, it's a prison with no weapons 348 00:21:30,599 --> 00:21:34,319 of course, you know, so I get you're saying now and that well, 349 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,640 the fact you mentioned their prison, I think that they did not need 350 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,759 to do ripley at all on this storyline. I feel like her story that 351 00:21:41,799 --> 00:21:45,319 should have been that should have been squared away done after Aliens. What I 352 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,920 really would have loved it is if this was just like a mining planet or 353 00:21:48,319 --> 00:21:51,960 sure have it as a prisoner planet. They just come across as they're digging 354 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,359 away like a cave, and you have like another crash ship or something like 355 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,519 that. Maybe not a crash ship because it'd be too similar to the first 356 00:21:57,559 --> 00:22:02,599 one, but just they come across little hive with just eggs and then shit 357 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,119 starts to go sideways and it's just a group of prisoners trapped here and the 358 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,920 company is on their way. Like it just don't bring Ripley into it. 359 00:22:10,039 --> 00:22:12,799 I just feel like that was just kind of like it just got kind of 360 00:22:15,519 --> 00:22:18,519 unfortunate. And again it just goes back to the beginning when they just I 361 00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:22,799 feel like they really just looked at how these characters looked to just kind of 362 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,079 really just squash, and that what they've kind of developed so far in terms 363 00:22:26,079 --> 00:22:30,960 of a story. But yeah, I'm excited to talk about this. Big 364 00:22:32,039 --> 00:22:36,720 SIGs. I think so Big SIGs. That's yeah, that's when you become 365 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,559 a producer show that goes to SIGs. The Big SIGs name was there? 366 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,400 Yeah, No, I was trying because that's how I didn't find my trivia. 367 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,480 I was just trying to find out why she came back. I'm gonna 368 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,799 guess it was just my money this time, because the second one member was 369 00:22:51,799 --> 00:22:53,000 a big deal that she didn't want to do it, but then make sure 370 00:22:53,079 --> 00:22:56,880 this idea of the mother daughter and she's like, okay, I'll do it. 371 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,440 But then allesten, we get to four and she's back for that too. 372 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,160 We killed off the daughter like that's why she wanted to come back, 373 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,359 and then just now just a producer, like it's just strange. I don't 374 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,079 know. Yeah, it must have been. It must have been a money 375 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:12,880 thing, because I couldn't even find anything. I'm just trying of scrolling through 376 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,559 right now, and usually that was like the last time, it was kind 377 00:23:15,559 --> 00:23:18,880 of in the top trivia and that wasn't popping up. So I'll see if 378 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,960 I can find anything in the forums. Now you're digging deep, I am, 379 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,880 yeah, but it probably was just a big check. Cool that works 380 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:26,920 for me, and hey, go go do what you do want you know, 381 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,079 it's all good. So we are going to break down this film get 382 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,319 into some specifics. 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All right, let's 401 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:37,559 start without this fucking stupid ass opening. So you got they literally the credits 402 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,079 are they're all sleeping and they're showing the alien alien that you would think they 403 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,839 have some sort of scan for the ship to make sure, like hey, 404 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,119 when you go into deep sleep, let's scan and make sure there's nothing in 405 00:24:48,319 --> 00:24:52,039 this ship. But they don't do that. They just you know, there's 406 00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:57,880 a there's a face hugger crawling around, gets new gets Michael Bean gets a 407 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,640 bishop, and Ripley is just crashes into this random planet's found awakened. But 408 00:25:04,839 --> 00:25:08,680 uh yeah, I think this is pretty it's pretty awful. It's funny because 409 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,079 we were just talking about this the other day when we reviewed Did Bull two. 410 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,400 We're talking about the different stuff, like that's a similar movie where you 411 00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:15,920 kill off someone important right away. But even then, it's like, I 412 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:21,480 feel, you know, bigger first act part, and that resonates to the 413 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,480 whole film. It resonates a little bit, But I feel like once they 414 00:25:23,519 --> 00:25:27,079 do the autopsy, Ripley's pretty fine to move on from those characters. And 415 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,960 that's like they do that autopsy and then what I don't know, a couple 416 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,160 hours later, she's ready to bang Clemmens. I just feel like all that 417 00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:37,359 emotion was just gone. I get she's like, I've been out here for 418 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:38,359 a while, but she's like, just wasn't the time for me. I'm 419 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,839 all down for characters to get hot and heavy, but that, like after 420 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,119 the autopsy, this like adoptive daughter just felt like a weird choice or I 421 00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:49,440 needed more story. But yeah, I think it's just a it just that's 422 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,319 why I can I just separate them now. But if you do watch us 423 00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:56,559 in a connuty way, I think it just hurts Aliens so much because you 424 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,440 spend this whole movie, especially the last hour, it's he just trying to 425 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:00,920 say this girl a pretty much and get her out of there, and it's 426 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,559 really all for nothing because it's just to get in a ship and for her 427 00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:07,680 it's literally minutes later when Nude is dead. So it's just like it's I 428 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,920 just don't get whatever version, And that's something where it's like, I don't 429 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:17,319 know, with rewrites whatever just from inception that should just never happen. Michael 430 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,240 Bean at one point, I think they talked about him coming back and there 431 00:26:19,319 --> 00:26:26,119 was some misunders some misunderstanding or miscommunication and it led to him in the studio 432 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,039 having a really bad relationship for a while, so he wasn't coming back. 433 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,599 They kill his character, well I think so, yeah, I don't know 434 00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:34,279 if it was a money thing. It just felt like something that they gave 435 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,000 him, they told him something wrongly, and I don't know. But then 436 00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:40,440 the actress played nude that she just said, life goes on, so she 437 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:41,839 didn't really care. She's probably she was younger at that point too, so 438 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,640 like just a gig for her. But yeah, what do you guys feel 439 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,599 about You know, we went on this journey for two hours, over two 440 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:53,039 hours last movie with them, and in a mirror seconds they are done. 441 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,799 Yeah, I'm I mean, it's objectively dumb, don't get me wrong, 442 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,480 But I'm not really that cheese about it because I didn't really like Newt or 443 00:27:02,599 --> 00:27:06,279 Hicks that much. So, you know, for the first few minutes, 444 00:27:06,279 --> 00:27:08,000 I'm like, wow, that's quite a choice that they made, But then 445 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,720 I got over it pretty quick because like, I don't really care that much. 446 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,319 Bishop is the one I'm more bummed about. But like, I think 447 00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:18,680 I already had the perception that he was dead after the first one, so 448 00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:21,680 they brought him back. Eh. I thought that was yeah, we have 449 00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:25,119 the conversation. I assumed he was dead, but I thought he was just 450 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:26,680 left there. I did not think that they were going to put him in 451 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:34,359 another pod. Would you even have to put Android in a pod? They 452 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,000 did an Aliens though you see him in there at the end of Aliens. 453 00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:40,359 No, I know, but just like, would you have to put him 454 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:41,880 in a pod? I feel like he's living or dying no matter what, 455 00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:45,920 Like that's not gonna help him. Put him in a trash bag and hopefully 456 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,039 I remember to not throw that trash bag ziplog. Yeah, no, I 457 00:27:49,079 --> 00:27:52,400 mean so, I guess that's how I feel about the the death's part of 458 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,400 it. It took it didn't take me long to move past it. But 459 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,720 I definitely agree that it's a pretty dumb move. I also agree it's subjectively 460 00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:03,960 bad. I'm a lot more with Travis on this one though, of just 461 00:28:04,599 --> 00:28:11,920 I think because of the significance of like Ripley going back for newt like at 462 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,440 the end of Aliens and then to just like jump where we are here, 463 00:28:14,519 --> 00:28:18,000 I think there was potential for like, even if we kill off Hicks and 464 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,880 Newt right away. I think there's still potential for like like having an okay 465 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:29,640 story following that, maybe just hitting a lot more on her like mental anguish 466 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,880 that she's in for losing those characters because those were like the two characters that 467 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,319 she was very close with. And Hicks it's just like okay, yeah whatever, 468 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,240 I'm ready to bone this guy after that. And but for Newt, 469 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,000 I think I guess the closest we get to that is like when she has 470 00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:48,880 to do the autopsy and she's just so like mortified that not only did Nuw 471 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,720 die, but now she has like cut open her body to like make sure 472 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,119 that there's not an alien there. Like that's pretty that's pretty wild to me, 473 00:28:56,359 --> 00:28:57,880 Like even if it's just like a family member yet to do that for 474 00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:02,359 like that would just stick with you. And uh, it just kind of 475 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,039 seemed like she was she was like teflon, like didn't really bother moving forward, 476 00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:08,440 like she was yeah whatever. Maybe maybe because you know, she's been 477 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,680 on three adventures now this is she's just so like rugged and uh it doesn't 478 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,599 really phase her anymore. Like she's really mentally strong from going through all these 479 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:22,039 horrible events in the last a couple it's been a lot of years, but 480 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,160 for her, like it's it's I feel like all of these events are like 481 00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:27,680 a two week window. Yeah, it takes place like directly after her. 482 00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:33,440 Yeah, really really well, it's like even for her though, like one 483 00:29:33,519 --> 00:29:36,079 and two there's like I don't know, maybe a week, but it's still 484 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,200 like, remember she was asleep for all those years, but yeah, it 485 00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:42,079 was instant. So there was a weird line when she's like I've been like 486 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,359 she said to the alien, like I've been here with you this whole time, 487 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,359 like this is all I can remember. But like it is like I'm 488 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,920 not saying it's not traumatic, but it's like eight days in total, like 489 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,519 what for her mind. So it's it's weird like that phrasing because I think 490 00:29:55,559 --> 00:29:57,920 they're trying to Incompani's like, oh it's been decades, but really and especially 491 00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:00,599 for the movie, right, this is not to the first ones like eighty, 492 00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:03,720 So I get they're trying to go for but for Ripley, it's not 493 00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:07,440 been not been that long, you know, it's been a cup of coffee. 494 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,559 So yeah, so I don't like the decision to kill off those characters, 495 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:17,000 at least in the way that they did. But se Lev, I 496 00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:19,720 guess I don't know. It's like that wasn't even the main issues I had 497 00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:25,039 with these movies or this movie, but it just definitely didn't set me up 498 00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:29,960 in a good way, I think for the opening of What Happened? Yeah 499 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,119 eighty five, what do you think? I mean? This is just probably 500 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,559 the biggest thing that bothers me about this movie is how I mean, they, 501 00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:41,559 as you guys already said, they went through so much tribulation, Ripley 502 00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:45,519 went through so much to say Newt and Hicks surviving and all that, and 503 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,319 just you get them snapped at the beginning of this film just so brutally. 504 00:30:49,359 --> 00:30:52,680 It's just very unfortunate. You alluded to this, Travis, where like you 505 00:30:52,759 --> 00:30:56,960 think they would have scanned the ship, but no they didn't. And again 506 00:30:56,079 --> 00:31:03,440 this I feel like that could face huggers have been latched onto the Queen, 507 00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:06,519 sure, but face huggers, like no one knows how long they can survive 508 00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:08,039 outside of the egg and away from the nest. But you're telling me that 509 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,039 this egg was just somehow just like the Queen snuck to where their cryos are 510 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:17,200 popped an egg up on the ceiling and just fucking left it there and then 511 00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:19,359 went back to the hangar. That doesn't make it. They didn't know, 512 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,559 they didn't, they didn't notice. No, And this is just the I 513 00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:29,440 was reading an interview with their ship talk in the movie and basically said they 514 00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:32,160 just wanted to have an alien in here, just because they needed to have 515 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,400 the alien. So they just the and it would have just been like, 516 00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:41,240 well, that's true, but like they didn't even land I imagine, I 517 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,880 don't know. They should have rowed it in a way that was just better, 518 00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:47,839 and it was just it's very sloppy, and they didn't care, right, 519 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,200 they just needed to have it just set up at the start and just 520 00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:55,079 get into our story. So when you look at how this this alien is 521 00:31:55,119 --> 00:31:59,519 just introduced, it's just it bothers. It not be that the alien burrowed 522 00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:05,880 into her like almost immediately after it jets off from aliens and then it just 523 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,599 survived inside of her cryogenically before but they showed an egg, right, didn't 524 00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:15,440 they Maybe I'm still could have had an egg, but then it could have 525 00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:17,680 like that's how it could have survived for that length of time, is what 526 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,720 I'm saying, which we don't even know how long it was, right, 527 00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:22,960 like it could well they hours when they're in their eggs, they last for 528 00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:28,440 a very very long time. But I mean that's like how the egg got 529 00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:30,880 there. I guess, yeah, like how did the egg like because the 530 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,640 scene is the eggs like upside down in the corner of the room, and 531 00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:38,119 it's like, how the heck, how the heck does that even? I 532 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:43,359 mean, maybe the eggs is start like they're they're not like a set size 533 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,640 of a shell, Like they're a really gooey type thing. So maybe they 534 00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:50,799 start really small and they just like expand to that size. So maybe it 535 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,839 just maybe that's how it, Like it just shot like one fucking mitochondria up 536 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,240 there and then it just like grew over time into that size that we normally 537 00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:02,200 see. And up on this review, I wasn't expecting that you could be 538 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,559 absolutely right, because that's the thing with Alien three. It introduced so many 539 00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:07,759 different things, like this is where we get to see like, okay, 540 00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:13,039 the alien. This is where it confirms that the alien takes on the genetic 541 00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:16,240 traits of its host, right as the dog, which in the the other 542 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:21,160 alternative scene, the alien actually impregnates a cow and it breaks out of the 543 00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:24,119 cow instead of a dog, so they really an ox. Yeah, yeah, 544 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:30,920 thank you bad horns. Yeah, it's a really good question. What 545 00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:35,400 does an ox do in real life? Was it on a ship or was 546 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,880 it on like this prisoner, it's on the planet one. It was in 547 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:45,640 the cry to where does this ox come from? Scene? Is like bringing 548 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:53,839 this ox with us? That's he needs the ox. The the idea two 549 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:58,119 of them, just like going into an animal is that's a cool concept. 550 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,880 And that's one of the I guess maybe like more like a silver lining. 551 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,839 And there was the actual again. It was another interview where they were going 552 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,639 to actually confirm that this face hugger was called a royal face hugger and something 553 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:15,719 we hadn't seen yet. And there are designs where it looks like actual like 554 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,480 an original face hugger, but I think it has more like webbing between the 555 00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:22,000 fingers and it's supposed to be bigger. And the idea was that this thing 556 00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:27,000 could impregnate twice, So it impregnates a queen and then impregnates a drone to 557 00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:31,559 protect the the The xenomorphs are regularly called just drones, like the soldiers ones 558 00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:37,199 just drones. Yeah, yeah, so I think that's a really really cool 559 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,880 idea, but then they ended up scrapping it, and so they didn't give 560 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,280 any context in this movie. The only thing you get to see now in 561 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,159 this movie is, Okay, there's one face hugger that's still alive in the 562 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:51,039 drop ship, Ripley's already impregnated, and then you have it impregnating the dog, 563 00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:52,880 and so now the viewers have to just wonder, Okay, so what's 564 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,480 going on here? Like, were there two face huggers? What happened? 565 00:34:55,519 --> 00:34:58,920 But no, all in all, it's one, but just now without the 566 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,079 context, So it's another are another unfortunate thing where I feel like they had 567 00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:07,000 great ideas and they could have done so much more, but they didn't run 568 00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:09,000 with it. I feel I don't know who is really calling the shots with 569 00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:12,920 this, And you'd probably know Travis as the people with money, suits and 570 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,559 boardrooms whatnot? Yeah, fuck suits? Whalan Yukani? Well it's their money. 571 00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:24,400 He's forty two million and adjusted doll so looking into it, like it's 572 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:29,159 the writers of Aliens. But in terms of the rewrites, is there other 573 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,840 people who are like in that writing? Oh, it's all over the place. 574 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,079 Yeah, I think those original writers. They get final credit those two, 575 00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:37,760 but like there's other people who are in there because at one point, 576 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,840 because I was looking for it and Fincher is not credit as a writer. 577 00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:46,119 But that's when they started to shoot. That was then one of the scripts 578 00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:50,360 they went with. There I have a whole thing here where there's like Fincher 579 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,800 and another writer against those writers, and they were arguing. So they had 580 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,000 to have like a pitch meeting right before filming with the students, like which 581 00:35:57,039 --> 00:36:00,760 script they're actually going with again? Great way like your week's production, Like 582 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,119 what are we gonna like? I have it somewhere in here too. There's 583 00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:06,599 a whole set that they built that they just never used because they just they 584 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,480 it was in the old script, just the set piece that they wasted money 585 00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:13,920 on. I think it's at a box to put in there an ox. 586 00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:15,880 Yeah, it went from a I think I can't remember if it's a thirty 587 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,119 five or forty million dollars budget. It ended up as a sixty five million 588 00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:23,920 dollar budget. It costs more than Alien Aliens combined. So that shows you 589 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,360 because remember everybody and everytime you hire a writer, you get them rerace script. 590 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,079 That is money. So that's why blade, Its gonna be one of 591 00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:32,840 the most fucking expensive Maral movies ever that happened. It was probably also a 592 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:37,760 lot more expensive just to get Sigourney. She got five point five million. 593 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:42,079 Yeah, so she got that off the hop. So that's why she numbers 594 00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:43,800 off the top of your head for what she made in one and two. 595 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,599 No, I don't even know if that's disclosed. I think this was disclosed 596 00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:50,239 because the budget got so inflated. They're like, well, I did this, 597 00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:52,360 and I actually could be wrong because I feel like that not that about 598 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,719 her price. I could be seventy five millioncause I can't or seventy million because 599 00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:00,360 I can't remember if I've read that that was included or it was six that 600 00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:04,199 on top of she got her so that could have inflated to about seventy million 601 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,440 as well. So and definitely the first one she wasn't getting paid. That 602 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,920 second one probably like made a good chunk of change to get her back, 603 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,880 but that first one for sure not making that. So yeah, alien three 604 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,760 she she cashed in, which you know, good for her, Good for 605 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:20,599 her. I was gonna say before because a long time ago Tayer brought somebody 606 00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:22,440 said, oh I wish we could just get the movie without an alien. 607 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:23,639 I'm like, I don't know what movie that would be, but and I 608 00:37:23,679 --> 00:37:28,079 don't know if there was an alien or not. Originally James Cameron was approached 609 00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:31,320 for the third one. Cameron had brought the ideas during the first production of 610 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:36,159 Aliens that he wanted to focus on Ripley Newt Hicks trying to function as a 611 00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:38,639 family, and Bishops suspecting that someone has tampered with his brain to make them 612 00:37:38,639 --> 00:37:43,480 more dangerous. There's no nothing about Aliens in that pitch. There wasn't anything 613 00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:45,719 but that. So I don't know if he was gonna take the Prometheus route 614 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,760 and do a movie in the alien world without it and have Bishop like be 615 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,280 kind of almost like hacked to be the villain. I'm not sure if they 616 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,320 would have just had like a face hugg or someone of the ship, but 617 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,920 at least in the pitch, it sounds like that's the route he wanted to 618 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,400 go on, obviously, like for people like myself and Taylor, like those 619 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,760 characters. I don't know what the movie would have been like, but I 620 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,880 would have already that idea of my idea. In my opinion, I'm way 621 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,519 more I wish we got that movie instead, because I at least would like 622 00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:15,039 to see because I just this for me was like a nothing Burger movie. 623 00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:17,599 So for me, I like the idea of the functional family. But Dylan, 624 00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:21,280 you like Bishops, so he would have been like the main Antagonay, 625 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,360 but I'm here for aliens. I'm not here for I don't know these people 626 00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:28,800 just having drama on this ship here. I thought you liked Prometheus though, 627 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,239 anything about Okay, we'll get there, because that's an alien movie with like 628 00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:36,320 it has alien. It's not really like it's like I think, you know, 629 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,960 but who knows? If they probably they probably, I guess they would 630 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,559 have had to call it something like Prometheus. You maybe get away with it 631 00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:45,599 because it's not called alien at that point. If you called something alien three 632 00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:47,239 and didn't have an alien, I think that movie would have just bombed. 633 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:52,280 I guarantee you it would have been a lot cheaper. I suppose absolutely. 634 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,519 Yeah, uh yeah. Another thing you mentioned earlier, Travis, that we 635 00:38:55,559 --> 00:39:01,239 haven't talked about yet is the the romance angle of of Ripley and Clemens. 636 00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:05,639 And yeah, once again this is something that like, yeah, when she 637 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,079 drops that line of are you attracted to me, and then they just like 638 00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:16,079 get down really rushed, really awkward once again. But then like after it 639 00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:20,719 happens, I actually think everything after that is really good between them, and 640 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,159 I think they have good chemistry, and I wanted to see more of that 641 00:39:23,199 --> 00:39:27,719 because I feel like he kind of gets his like redemption arc where he's set 642 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,519 up you don't really have much background of like why he's here, and then 643 00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:32,360 you get like inklings of it and it's like, ooh, he had some 644 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,199 darker side, but then it's like, Okay, he was like framed or 645 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:37,880 like he wasn't really like actually a bad guy, and then he just like 646 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,599 dies and then there's like another what hour hour and a half of the movie, 647 00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:45,000 Like it's way too early in my opinion for how many other characters in 648 00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:50,280 this movie don't really have any personality or anyone that I've really latched onto. 649 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,639 So that was definitely a disappointing part of it. But I do feel like 650 00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:57,719 they had good chemistry after we Yeah, I get like the whiplash of them 651 00:39:58,639 --> 00:40:00,880 going at it, like to some extent, I get it for Ripley a 652 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,320 little bit of just like man, she's been going through a lot, like 653 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,360 she just needs to like, you know, relax, have some fun a 654 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,320 little bit. She actually has an opportunity to do so because at that point, 655 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,880 right, she doesn't she isn't aware that the alien is there. Right, 656 00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:17,280 Is it happened before she Yeah, at this point she just thinks nothing, 657 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:22,679 it's all fine. Yeah, it makes a little bit of sense in 658 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,119 that content for him too, It's like, yeah, if he's just here 659 00:40:24,159 --> 00:40:29,679 with a bunch of dudes have their celibacy vows and they're all just hanging out, 660 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,039 you know, a lot of blue balls going on in this prison, 661 00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:34,880 I like it makes a little bit of sense. But yeah, I feel 662 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,679 like they could and maybe maybe there was a scene or two that were cut 663 00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:40,320 or rewritten or changed. I'm sure there was, but yeah, there could 664 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,599 have been one or two more kind of scenes of them kind of connecting before 665 00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:47,000 they actually go to town. Also, Clemens wasn't framed. Remember he had 666 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,960 an addiction problem and he did a mis dosage. That was the issue that 667 00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:54,400 he did, right, Yeah, yeah, he fudged the numbers. Guilty 668 00:40:55,159 --> 00:40:59,719 he got. It was strange because like she's like, oh, you're you're 669 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:00,639 one of them. Your criminal's got not a fucking criminal, Like, I 670 00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:04,519 don't think he said that bomb. Like when they first start talking, it's 671 00:41:04,559 --> 00:41:07,239 like, well, then he reveals like he did get a sentence in due 672 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,199 times. It's like it doesn't matter if you're it was like manslaughter, Like 673 00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:14,079 you you're technically a criminal. Like even if you steal a pen from Walmart 674 00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:16,559 get rested on it, like you're still a criminal. So it was an 675 00:41:16,559 --> 00:41:21,440 odd line that he acted so offended but he was a criminal. But I 676 00:41:21,519 --> 00:41:23,719 really liked that character. There's clearly a difference between what he did though and 677 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:30,639 absolutely and the guy who so many women And it's like how he introduces himself. 678 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,440 They don't hate that character so much. You don't want to be my 679 00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:36,880 friend. Yeah, Like and that's the thing where like clements, Yeah, 680 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,599 I really like again another choice. I hate that he gets killed off in 681 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:44,320 that infirmary. It's just like we're finally getting somebody in this movie that I 682 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,960 care about, because for me, I get why some people might kind of 683 00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:51,480 like the rag tag like all the you know, working with the enemies, 684 00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:57,119 but I really have no investment in seeing these guys survive after they tried to 685 00:41:57,159 --> 00:41:59,760 sexual assault Ripley in the first act. Like right there, I'm like, 686 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,239 I don't care for these characters. I don't care if the aliens get them, 687 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,880 Clemens, I do because, like you said, Dylan, like I 688 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,800 was joking, but like, yeah, in reality, he's not there for 689 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,719 one of the same reasons they are. It was a it was a crime, 690 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,920 but it was a crime because he was in a dark place that made 691 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,280 a mistake. There's a big difference between a mistake and what these guys like 692 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,039 I haven't seen women in ten years because they're not allowed to and stuff, 693 00:42:19,039 --> 00:42:22,119 and yeah, like that character that says like, yeah, I've assaulted murder 694 00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:24,480 every woman I've met, and then like later on he's the one that stops 695 00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:28,079 the assault. They don't really get into it. He just just like over 696 00:42:28,199 --> 00:42:30,800 assaulting women now and it's just like got to re educate the brothers. Yeah 697 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:36,320 what like you better not come at me or I'm gonna hurt you. And 698 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,159 now it's like, don't hurt Like it's a mess. So I just hate 699 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,400 what he did so that there was like any chance of us having like a 700 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,559 little bit of sympathy for him, Clemons. His sacrifice at the end is 701 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:53,239 truly meaningless. So you should have been like guy Travis, you should have 702 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,840 been like euphoria guy where it's like an addiction and like that's how he, 703 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,199 like, that's how he. I don't know he abused someone like physic I 704 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,679 get right, Yeah, I guess Clemens didn't abuse anybody, but yeah, 705 00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:07,760 I think it just should have been like Clemens where he made a mistake and 706 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,760 that was it, like he I just can't invest in a character that that's 707 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,800 the opening line. And again, like I said, I didn't care about 708 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,559 any prisoners. I want them all die, Like I'm not why am I 709 00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:22,039 supposed to cheer for the rapers, like like who like just again conceptually like 710 00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:24,440 who's sitting down? I get it's the nineties, but just like this is 711 00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:28,679 like make it a different prison because they're like these are the worst of the 712 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,920 worst type of people. If it was just regularly said the people that stole 713 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:35,079 a pin, maybe a manslaughter, someone that did kill someone, but they 714 00:43:35,159 --> 00:43:37,360 highly regret it now. But again, it's not like all these men are 715 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:42,000 at prison and they've done these even if they did rape, murder, terrible 716 00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:44,719 things, but they're all regretful. Like I said, first act, they're 717 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,360 trying to get their jolleys off. The second a woman's on the things, 718 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,760 so it's just like, I don't get why anyone sat around was like we 719 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,440 should just cut the scene because if you cut that scene, they might be 720 00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:54,920 bad guys, but they're maybe, like you don't know, maybe they are 721 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,360 being rehabbed. Right, But with that scene in there, it's like, 722 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,800 no, like goves even moreph and they cut the instead of that, they're 723 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:07,039 like probably would have had more charisma than any of them. Yeah, even 724 00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:10,360 if any of them were like maybe a fund like a comic relief for like 725 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,960 a funny character, like I don't know, anything that we as a viewer 726 00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:17,119 could could kind of connect to in a way. Yeah, I'm not gonna 727 00:44:17,199 --> 00:44:21,320 laugh with a bunch of those guys like that just seems like awful. So 728 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,519 and if their thieves or like something like that, maybe it's like skills they 729 00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:29,119 can tap into when they have to take on the Zeno morphun of idiots, 730 00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:32,960 what do they do? They open and closed doors doors, So good. 731 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,239 I'm with you, Taylor. No, I actually like the scene and it 732 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,880 to me reminds me of when we play game like Outlasts, except like it 733 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,519 had that vibe right, So I think that's good barring the bad seed give 734 00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:46,320 but like it's like we said, it's just like they have no skills really 735 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,960 though. That's things like it's a great set piece, but and I guess 736 00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:52,280 that's the point. They have no skills, so they open closed doors, 737 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:58,719 just running down always five. But yeah, I like that scene. That's 738 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,239 fun, the setting of it. I like the door aspect and just the 739 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:07,159 uh I don't know why, but like we're just looking at these hallways, 740 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:12,159 Dylan. For some reason, I'm getting like Arcs fatalis like like imagery. 741 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,320 I don't know why. I think it's just like the tones or the like 742 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,639 the textures or whatnot, like the color palette. That's the word I'm looking 743 00:45:19,679 --> 00:45:21,960 for. I don't know what it was, but it was just reminded me 744 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,719 of Arcs. I think from the alien's point of view, chasing people down 745 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,320 these get like a little bit of Halo, a little bit of Star Wars. 746 00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:30,480 Oh yeah, it was like the door, the hallways, the design 747 00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:36,239 of the doors and that sort of thing. Right, Yeah, but yeah, 748 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:42,159 I like that sequence like seventy seventy percent. I would say it was 749 00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:44,599 like a like a like for me, Like I wasn't really big fan. 750 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,840 I mean you mentioned the CG on the Alien that one was a standout the 751 00:45:49,559 --> 00:45:52,239 I wasn't really a fan of like the POV either of the alien. It 752 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:58,519 just seemed it seems inconsistent in of like and it seems inconsistent in the sense 753 00:45:58,559 --> 00:46:01,239 of like the alien would catch up to someone and then like slow down, 754 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,239 yeah, to like let them keep going, because it's clearly a camera, 755 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,559 not as Zeno wharf it's like, Okay, now I'm gonna start chasing you 756 00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:10,360 again. It's just like it just seemed not like I'm looking through the eyes 757 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,719 of an actual alien xenomorph. It just looks like a camera that's upside down 758 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,800 on a track following this guy run down a hallway. So I think it 759 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:21,159 just took me out of it in that sense. I liked it because it 760 00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:24,559 was something different, and it also reminded me of once again, Taylor that 761 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,079 three sixty game where you can play as the alien and you can just like 762 00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:31,000 hold the sprint button and like you'll just go up any wall or any roof, 763 00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:34,119 and so it kind of did that too, or it didn't really care 764 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,519 if it was on flat ground or not. It would just like be able 765 00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:38,000 to walk like a spider anywhere it went. So I don't know, I 766 00:46:38,039 --> 00:46:40,880 thought it was something kind of fun, a little bit different. Maybe it 767 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,239 did get over used a little bit, but then again, I think that 768 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,639 whole sequence yeah, goes on like, you know, a few minutes longer 769 00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:50,360 than it needs to. So that was gonna happen either way. But I 770 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,440 thought that was a good And you know, when you get that CGI or 771 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,920 you get the alien vision too, you're not getting the janky CGI as much 772 00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:00,440 because you're you're just from a different perspective. So now that sequence worked for 773 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,440 me. I thought it was pretty good. This is definitely I think the 774 00:47:04,519 --> 00:47:07,760 first time we've ever gotten to see that perspective too from the alien, which 775 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:12,599 definitely it makes it kind of less scarier to a slight degree seeing that perspective. 776 00:47:12,639 --> 00:47:15,519 But I'm with you guys. The CGI of the that fucking thing was 777 00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:22,360 just atrocious, uh, not driving with it. And I do like though 778 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:27,679 that there were the brief moments where it was actual actually like a suit not 779 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,440 obviously there were some parts I think they actually did like puppeteering, I want 780 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,559 to say, but maybe it was more or less replaced with CGI. But 781 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,880 get getting the scenes of just the alien popping off where he's like everyone has 782 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,559 their meeting and he just drops out of the event and pulls the leader guy 783 00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:46,639 up and kills him. Like other scenes, or Ripley's trying to like see 784 00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:52,440 where the alien is and she's imagining it because she just she just sees alien 785 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:53,800 on her brain. That there's stuff like that. And even when the alien 786 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:59,639 first appears and like grabs the guy, kills the guy and it looks it's 787 00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:02,159 got blood on him on the alien's face and then shoots the blood on like 788 00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:06,079 the other prisoner, and the prison looks up and the music kicks in and 789 00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:09,000 the alien just does this like fucking dental smile thing, and man, that 790 00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:13,679 was just I really really like that scene. So there's a few moments that 791 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,400 are really good too. Oh god, what was is it? The guy 792 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:22,280 from dress Lost World, the Hunter and he's by the door. He's like 793 00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:24,599 he's looking through the door. I can't remember his name, He's looking through 794 00:48:24,599 --> 00:48:27,960 the door, and then you just see the alien dropping him behind him. 795 00:48:28,639 --> 00:48:30,679 That was a good scene too. He like just passed away. I think 796 00:48:30,679 --> 00:48:35,440 it was before. It was the year before. I'm pretty sure he was 797 00:48:35,519 --> 00:48:39,880 recent. Oh god, Uh, Pete, That's why I'm never gonna remember 798 00:48:40,039 --> 00:48:46,079 Pete Pollster waight it's p O S T L E th h W A I 799 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:51,639 T E. But he also is in a great like minor role. He's 800 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,440 killing Murphy's dad in inception, remember the the guy that disowns his son, 801 00:48:55,519 --> 00:49:00,360 and that's all they get that great scene at the end, Like, yeah, 802 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,000 he's a great character actor. He's I don't know if I remember he 803 00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:06,159 played the floorist in the town. If everyone's seen the Town, he's like 804 00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,159 this very movie right. Yeah, so he's he's like one of those guys 805 00:49:09,199 --> 00:49:13,280 that like anything, he pops up, even though he's smaller, but he's 806 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,920 just like he has just there'll be a group of like twenty of these prisoners 807 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,480 that all shave a head and look the same, but like he stands out 808 00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:24,519 just because something going on there. So yeah, and yeah, like the 809 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,960 shave head was cool, you know, like I think that was cool that. 810 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,159 Uh. I guess I can't remember if I put in trivia, but 811 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,199 I guess sin Gorney was all down for it. But I guess some of 812 00:49:34,199 --> 00:49:36,519 the other actors were like, I don't know if I want to do this, 813 00:49:36,599 --> 00:49:37,360 but when she did it, they're like, oh right, it's just 814 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,639 like who's fucking like, who are any of these actors like big league and 815 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,440 like, I don't know if I should. I won't really share, like 816 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,000 I gotta make it to November for my stream. It's just like I just 817 00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:51,360 feel like it's like you're shaving your head or you're not alien three, you 818 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,119 know, like like if there was an actor in here that was like corect 819 00:49:55,159 --> 00:49:59,199 and they're like, I don't know if this film's worth the shaved head. 820 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,920 Yeah, like I you know, was in this. He's like, I 821 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:01,840 don't know if I want ship in my head now. Like then I'd be 822 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,880 like, yeah, okay, it's paccino. But like none of these people 823 00:50:06,119 --> 00:50:08,519 like what the one guy goes on to be the Tyrian's dad in Game of 824 00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:13,679 Thrones, right, I came, what's his name again, Tyrone? Yeah 825 00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:17,480 he's in your Godzilla movies, right, Tyrone? Yeah he is. Yeah, 826 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,000 he's in King of Monsters. Yeah. And then and then we got 827 00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:25,079 Pete. Wait ah, that one guy king he is the King of Monsters, 828 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:30,360 the King. I missed that movie. He was looking young in this. 829 00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:34,320 I was, uh, I was kind of surprised to I mean, 830 00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:40,760 I think it's mostly just like in Game of Thrones they make him look pretty 831 00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,559 old. I think even more so than like what he looked at the time 832 00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:46,840 of the fielding. Maybe I'm just tripping there, but it just seemed like 833 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:52,559 he was like, I don't know, it's like, really this was the 834 00:50:52,679 --> 00:50:54,800 nineties. Yeah, it's like twenty was like you like twenty two in this 835 00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:59,880 movie. He looked, I'm really gonna go that's far. Yeah, he's 836 00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:06,559 twenty the at least I haven't seen the ox I can't say that. But 837 00:51:06,679 --> 00:51:09,800 he was born in nineteen forty six at this point. Damn he would have 838 00:51:10,199 --> 00:51:14,599 he would have been fifty. He was just under fifty. He was like 839 00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:19,639 forty six, so he was close to eighty. And Game of Thrones always 840 00:51:19,679 --> 00:51:22,760 like a thousand in Game of Thrones. Shit O kidding, well, well 841 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:27,000 whatever, if he was in the two thousands, yeah, he'd be No, 842 00:51:27,079 --> 00:51:29,519 he would have been in he would have been in fifty in this. 843 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,760 Then you add, yeah, seventy. That's why I'm yeah. So when 844 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,280 you Kirk's like they make him look like an old man in that, I'm 845 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,440 like, no, I think that's just to make him look old. Two. 846 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,280 I think that's stance at that point. He's looking old at the age 847 00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,519 of seventy. That happens. You know, I look age of the Old 848 00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:49,000 Age of thirty, so are you. I'd like to see him in not 849 00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:51,679 a villain roll though, because I like, most of the time I see 850 00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,719 this guy, he's a bad guy, and it's just he's really good at 851 00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,920 playing those types of characters Game of Thrones. He's fantastic in that he just 852 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,519 like exudes gravitas and like intimidation in the way that he carries his words even 853 00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:05,119 if he's not being loud, and in this one, he like I was 854 00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,639 expecting a villain turn at so many moments because I've just seen him as a 855 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:14,719 villain so too in the like at the beginning, like what's he up to? 856 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:16,400 Right? Like he just I assumed he was an android. Honestly, 857 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:21,079 I thought that's what was gonna be happening, just because of he seemed to 858 00:52:21,199 --> 00:52:23,840 be the similar type of role that the androids had been in the past, 859 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:30,320 of just the more like medical officer or like scientific type guy that is just 860 00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,480 very analytical. And even the way that he was going along with the autopsies, 861 00:52:34,519 --> 00:52:37,599 he was a little bit like sus like like he was a little bit 862 00:52:37,639 --> 00:52:40,000 hesitant. But it's like I don't know he's the one getting bloody and doing 863 00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:44,920 the deed, so I just had android vibes from him. I actually I 864 00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:46,719 thought it was gonna be like a villain turn right after a bone Ripley, 865 00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:51,679 because I don't know, I feel like that's just a cliche for some reason. 866 00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:55,519 It's like our hero thinks that she's finding comfort in this one male character 867 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,920 and then they do the deed and then he just reveals his evil plan, 868 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,239 and I don't It's just it seemed a little too similar to that. Do 869 00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,920 you think if he was an android, she so to throw him some ass, 870 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,440 you know, in space? Is there any to do that in these 871 00:53:09,519 --> 00:53:17,400 movies? I don't think so. Right, the closest we got was Dated 872 00:53:17,519 --> 00:53:22,920 right kissing himself as you're gonna get. I can't wait to get back to 873 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,519 Covenant, man, I can't wait. I've never seen it. So I 874 00:53:27,679 --> 00:53:30,920 finally get there. The whole yeah, man, the whole wild stuff. 875 00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:35,159 The only thing I had problem that scene is like I like that because he 876 00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,199 asks, he knows something's up with Ripley, and he asked, and she 877 00:53:38,519 --> 00:53:40,639 you know, throws you know, the sex option outs, So of course 878 00:53:40,679 --> 00:53:45,239 he takes up. But that like almost immediately after he goes back, he's 879 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:45,960 like, oh, like, you know, he threw me off, and 880 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,519 I still have this question everything. So I like that because I was like, 881 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,159 is he not gonna ask at this very important issue. The thing was 882 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:57,280 they get interrupted again because they call him and say, like, someone's been 883 00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,920 ripped up on the crew. Now I know it's a ship and I know 884 00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:02,199 anything had happened, but I just feel like, with what Ripley's been through 885 00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:06,159 the past a little while, the fact that she and she just she's like, 886 00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,199 okay, I'll see it, like you must have been good. She 887 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:14,199 didn't even think like could that be something like she was just in two previous 888 00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,519 situations where someone mysteriously died and then bad shit starts to happen. So I 889 00:54:17,639 --> 00:54:21,320 kind of found that odd, and I also did not like Ripley that. 890 00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:27,000 So they're doing the autopsy and he's about to crack open the chest and she's 891 00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:30,559 just like, be careful. She knows what could happen. Why not get 892 00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:32,440 this guy? And he fucking heads up because like, how what's there to 893 00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,119 be careful? If he cracks it open, then something jumps up? Like 894 00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:39,199 I just did not like the entire first act. How cagey. She was 895 00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,920 being about the situation when she because I just feel like it would be better 896 00:54:44,039 --> 00:54:47,280 to tell everybody what would happen, and maybe not because of prison their questionable 897 00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,639 character is fine. But to me, it was the autopsy, which is 898 00:54:50,639 --> 00:54:52,960 the most egregious of when she tells him to be careful, you gotta give 899 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,639 it more details than that, because like he can't prepare for her face like 900 00:54:55,719 --> 00:55:00,679 he's not expecting a face hugger to jump out this little girl's bos so I 901 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,840 found especially in the second one where Ripley the whole time was warning them over 902 00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,800 and over, don't do this. This is what like that's why they brought 903 00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:09,920 her because she knew the stuff right For this one to be so reserved, 904 00:55:10,119 --> 00:55:15,039 which it's in like within twenty four hours, it's it just didn't match for 905 00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:17,079 it was that kind of like a good reason then, because people just weren't 906 00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:21,679 believing her when she was telling when she was telling them what was going on, 907 00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:23,519 I guess I just said I didn't buy that Ripley would just quit and 908 00:55:23,639 --> 00:55:27,079 go. I guess I won't tell anybody, And maybe the rest of it. 909 00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:29,760 I think for me, it's just the autopsy being the biggest one of 910 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,440 he's literally about to go in the chest. I feel like that's when you 911 00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,280 should say, even if you don't have to be specific with the alien, 912 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,880 like there something happened to us where like, I don't know how you could 913 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:42,840 explain it, but there could be some danger opening this chest, saying just 914 00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,679 be careful, like, and he didn't even question it either. So I 915 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,039 just found that was odd that she was very much putting him at risk there 916 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,559 for a situation that he has no clue what he's going into, you know. 917 00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:59,159 So yeah, I got a couple questions. One is just like the 918 00:55:59,519 --> 00:56:02,679 setup of this facility existing. So they said this was like a huge prison 919 00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,440 at some point that had like five thousand people in it, and then they 920 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:12,599 the company decided to shut it down and leave. But then Dylan I hate 921 00:56:12,639 --> 00:56:15,079 that his name is Dylan the guy, but him and the rest of the 922 00:56:15,159 --> 00:56:19,880 crew decided they want to stay because of their religion. They're going to become 923 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,599 custodians of this place. I just don't get from the company's perspective, why 924 00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:28,079 they would allow that for these prisoners, why they would give them what they 925 00:56:28,159 --> 00:56:31,679 want in this situation, because presumably they're like I guess the one reason could 926 00:56:31,679 --> 00:56:37,119 be to keep this facility alive, but they don't really use it for anything 927 00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:42,280 anymore, so they're just there essentially maintaining it for no purpose. Like maybe 928 00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,920 in the future there would be a purpose. But I feel like I missed 929 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:46,760 something there. Do you guys have a good explanation, Like is there a 930 00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:52,559 line I missed of like why they're here or why? Well, I don't 931 00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:55,639 know why it would be allowed, but I just think that they've just they've 932 00:56:55,679 --> 00:57:01,639 taken upon themselves as the inherent inherited uh, caretakers. I guess maybe they 933 00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:07,199 just don't feel like there's anything back on earth for them, Like, but 934 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:14,239 they're prisoners, Like weren't they still imprisoned during that time. I don't feel 935 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,440 like they're really prisoners at this time because the I mean, didn't they say 936 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:22,159 like the facility is typically like they're not. Well, if I leave somewhere, 937 00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,519 your prisoner, But we don't even know that, right like like a 938 00:57:25,639 --> 00:57:30,480 warden kind of yeah, there is, but didn't they didn't? Didn't Clemens 939 00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:34,599 explain it in a certain way, like just they chose to stay with like 940 00:57:34,679 --> 00:57:37,599 a few, like not caretakers, but a few people like the company still 941 00:57:37,679 --> 00:57:42,599 is investing at least a couple of resources because Clemens at that point is no 942 00:57:42,679 --> 00:57:45,039 longer a prisoner, but he's there is like the medical guy, and then 943 00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:49,320 the warden, and then I think everyone else's prisoners unless I'm forgetting someone. 944 00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,719 I think if they think Clemens says that, like you like you were talking 945 00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:54,719 about like, well, I'm not like the rest of them to me, 946 00:57:54,800 --> 00:58:00,280 would imply they're all prisoners. Part of ship, part of the crew. 947 00:58:00,559 --> 00:58:02,440 Yeah, terrible crew. I would not want to be a part of that. 948 00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,320 Crank not saying David Jones's crew is better, but I gotta pick. 949 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:08,760 If I gotta pick, I definitely could become a squid person over being like 950 00:58:09,679 --> 00:58:13,079 if I see you, I'm gonna do this to you, Like, I 951 00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:15,480 don't want to be on that crew. That's no thank you, bad thing 952 00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:20,159 to have in your bio. Yeah, there was a crew on that system 953 00:58:20,239 --> 00:58:22,679 there we took We weren't really prisoners though we were running own thing like could 954 00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:25,760 you leave it? Well, not exactly, but you know we were prisoners. 955 00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,400 I promise you. I agreed, Dylan. That whole thing was. 956 00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,320 It was a little muddy. Just say hey, this is a prison. 957 00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:37,480 That's it done. Yeah. Another another question, So Ripley, she gets 958 00:58:37,519 --> 00:58:40,159 infected or I get what we call it imfected. I guess is good enough? 959 00:58:40,199 --> 00:58:45,159 Impregnant? Impregnant? Pregnant yeah, like during hyper sleep? Right? 960 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,239 Yeah? How can it take so long for it to burst out of her 961 00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,559 at the end. It's a good question, Like that's like significantly longer than 962 00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:55,000 anyone else we've seen any of these movies. Right, you think if you 963 00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:59,559 have sex, it like it like delays it a little bit, like you 964 00:58:59,639 --> 00:59:05,000 get like it's fighting with something else being born here. I don't think so, 965 00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:07,159 I don't think that's part of Okay, Okay, let's try and I'm 966 00:59:07,159 --> 00:59:09,039 glad I'm gonna say it is. That's what that's gonna say. They'll stash 967 00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:12,719 in rols. If you get the face hugger, you gotta have sex immediately 968 00:59:13,079 --> 00:59:16,199 and another two hour? What's going on there? Yeah? So dude, 969 00:59:16,199 --> 00:59:20,679 it's just like, please everyone have sex with me or like you don't even 970 00:59:20,679 --> 00:59:25,079 affect, Like no, please trust me. There's a face hugger in me. 971 00:59:27,159 --> 00:59:30,559 I literally like it sounds stupid, but I think the face hugger popped 972 00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:32,679 out just because it could sense it was in danger. I know, it 973 00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,960 sounds dumb, but because it popped up, I know, but because it 974 00:59:37,039 --> 00:59:40,239 popped up when she was getting near like very big heat signals. I feel 975 00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:46,480 like the face hugger felt like this was a nonhabernant habitable, non inhabitable environment, 976 00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,800 so it popped up trying to get out of there, and that's how 977 00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,119 she did that, like ah, and I grabbed it, So that legitimately 978 00:59:52,159 --> 00:59:54,000 is what I think. That it was still gonna just state in there for 979 00:59:54,039 --> 00:59:59,119 a little bit because it was doing something a little bit different this go around. 980 00:59:59,519 --> 01:00:01,920 I'm not sure. Also, I could say maybe the hyper or like 981 01:00:02,039 --> 01:00:07,159 the them being frozen together, maybe that's thought the process too right of it's 982 01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:08,840 the only thing that makes sense to me. Yeah, but I took it. 983 01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,320 It jumped out of that time just because it felt it was in danger. 984 01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,800 And I don't mind that actually as an ending, like in a better 985 01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,519 movie of like it popping on her grabbing it tair with I don't I don't 986 01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:22,000 mind that, you know. Yeah, So I think it's like, you 987 01:00:22,119 --> 01:00:24,480 know, these her and you know, any of the aliens, not just 988 01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:29,440 one specific one, are just kind of they're just kind of entangled no matter 989 01:00:29,519 --> 01:00:31,320 what she does, no matter you know, where she goes or who she 990 01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:36,280 aligns with, Like she cannot get rid of this alien that's always gonna be 991 01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,119 part of her, and she's also always going to be the reason why these 992 01:00:39,159 --> 01:00:43,719 aliens die. So I think it is a very poetic good ending. The 993 01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:50,119 CGI is atrocious. I mean that it takes away from the splash splash to 994 01:00:50,199 --> 01:00:52,079 happen, and where it looks like the Gallum you know, scene falling on 995 01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:55,039 the level, but like a thousand times worse. Yeah, it looks like 996 01:00:55,960 --> 01:01:00,480 I think it's a really really good moment. It looks like the first friender 997 01:01:00,519 --> 01:01:02,039 of the gollm scene, like yeah, we still gotta like do six more 998 01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:06,320 renders on this thing. And but like even as a charter, like that's 999 01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:07,559 where I and Kirkling, you know. And actually I think you said you 1000 01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:10,639 hate the ending. I don't mind in what sense of she's pregnant. I'm 1001 01:01:10,679 --> 01:01:14,880 glad that she doesn't believe where Wayland corp. And like, oh, we're 1002 01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,320 gonna help you out and you know, your whole life you'll be you be 1003 01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:22,199 pregnant and now kids and stuff like I I like that the movies, the 1004 01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,239 franchise starts with them tricking her and it ends with even if she has to 1005 01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:29,320 kill herself, and in the way they show them this movie that this is 1006 01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,960 like the last Ali on this ship, like they're almost insinuation that all those 1007 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,639 ones in space are dead. You have the last thing. So I don't 1008 01:01:35,639 --> 01:01:38,400 mind that as like a well the last fus. I'm gonna kill this thing 1009 01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:42,280 you really want, I'm gonna take myself down with it. So yes, 1010 01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,199 cgi side and some cheese like why is it pop out? Now? I 1011 01:01:45,239 --> 01:01:47,360 don't I'm I don't mind as a ending for Ripley. Now, I still 1012 01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:52,239 would have liked it better if I just had Canada. Yeah, her nude 1013 01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,039 and everybody are just flowing off and they make it back home. But if 1014 01:01:54,079 --> 01:01:57,599 we're talking about this movie, I'm like, yeah, it's fine. So 1015 01:01:58,039 --> 01:02:02,599 like Kirkles to you did not like the ending, Yeah, I first of 1016 01:02:02,639 --> 01:02:07,519 all, I think it's kind of crazy that that thing was just in her 1017 01:02:07,559 --> 01:02:08,719 the whole time and it popped out at the end of the movie. That's 1018 01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:15,119 just that's unacceptable movie. Just thinking of like our first lad that took the 1019 01:02:15,199 --> 01:02:20,400 face hugger, like once it was off of him, seems like an hour 1020 01:02:20,639 --> 01:02:23,920 maybe, like like it popped out and here we have like just a significantly 1021 01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:25,760 longer time. You know, we went through the options. I won't bring 1022 01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,960 it back up, but she had to air air it out. Fucking hated 1023 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:35,559 that shit. The sacrifice. I mean, you make a good argument, 1024 01:02:35,639 --> 01:02:37,679 I guess of like it is already in her and like what is she gonna 1025 01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:43,480 do? Catch a flight out of here and go back home and find Hicks 1026 01:02:43,519 --> 01:02:47,360 and Newt and just get a farm somewhere, like she is kind of at 1027 01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:53,920 the end of her journey. I think it's just really like the execution of 1028 01:02:54,000 --> 01:03:00,840 it was just so cheesy and ridiculous. The cgi aside, the like she's 1029 01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:04,119 just like standing up there like Jesus Christ, our Lord's Savior and just like 1030 01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,960 jumps back. It's very This movie overall is like a lot of Biblical like 1031 01:03:08,119 --> 01:03:13,320 themes, the whole redemption with the prisoners, and there's there's just like a 1032 01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:20,559 lot of I feel like biblical type references and sermons are very like profit percent. 1033 01:03:20,679 --> 01:03:24,519 So I think I just I didn't like that as a choice. I 1034 01:03:24,639 --> 01:03:30,719 mean, yeah, valid argument for her doing the sacrifice and taking that alien 1035 01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:35,599 down literally with her. It bursts you out of the chest. I was 1036 01:03:35,679 --> 01:03:39,400 kind of just like surprised about what I feel like because because it had been 1037 01:03:39,519 --> 01:03:42,679 so long that she just didn't have the faith Hugger. I felt like it 1038 01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,480 was just like a mind trick, that like she was playing on herself that 1039 01:03:45,519 --> 01:03:47,400 she just really thought the alien was in there, and then it just popped 1040 01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:51,239 out and it's like, oh, there it is Jack in the box. 1041 01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,800 And then she just death grips it, chokes the chicken as one would say, 1042 01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,840 and takes it down the lava with her or lad whatever the hell it 1043 01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,400 is at the lead didn't work? Remember that guy died for brutal way. 1044 01:04:02,639 --> 01:04:08,480 Well, I don't. I don't get what happened with the alien explicitly, 1045 01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:11,480 but the lead. Once it left the lead, then it exploded. But 1046 01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:13,920 it needed to get hit with the lead for that to happen, right, 1047 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:19,760 I guess. So like I feel like I I can't. I can't say 1048 01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:25,920 one way that I'm sorry I saw just yesterday, But I can't answer the 1049 01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:33,239 lead controversy there the explosion, Taylor, what's your theory extended? I don't 1050 01:04:33,239 --> 01:04:38,599 know, impregnation period. I feel like they for this there is the involved 1051 01:04:38,639 --> 01:04:41,280 as well in this drink an ox milk? Is I want? Yeah? 1052 01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:47,679 Maybeywalker, I don't have I don't have a proper theory. My my kind 1053 01:04:47,719 --> 01:04:54,079 of head canon is that you know when you when you get impregnated, like 1054 01:04:54,159 --> 01:04:58,320 these things are at an accelerated rate, trying to like reproduce and go go. 1055 01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:00,880 Now, the only way you can look at this is Okay, hey, 1056 01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:02,920 this is a queen embryo, so maybe there's something different involved with that. 1057 01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:09,320 And now there are there are reports too, and some novelizations and stuff 1058 01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:15,000 or some impregnations. Last there are reports like it's a scene end thing. 1059 01:05:15,079 --> 01:05:19,519 During the election, there's reports that the Aliens won New Hampshire. Crypt Clue 1060 01:05:19,559 --> 01:05:28,000 episode. There's some reports about some some of the impregnations can go from forty 1061 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,559 eight hours to a week. It can it can be like a very long 1062 01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:33,679 period of time. It's frozen again that like there's suspend an animation. Right, 1063 01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:38,280 how long is the course of this movie? Like two weeks? Is 1064 01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:41,280 it two weeks? I thought it was two weeks because they were saying like, 1065 01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:43,480 yeah, the ship will be here in like this period of time, 1066 01:05:43,639 --> 01:05:45,800 right, I thought they said two weeks, but I thought it was about 1067 01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:49,159 someone confirmed that the ship will be here when the gestation period is running up 1068 01:05:49,199 --> 01:05:55,079 for you Ripley exactly. Yeah, which two weeks is a very long time 1069 01:05:55,159 --> 01:05:58,800 for impregnation. But again, it is a queen embryo, so who knows 1070 01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:02,599 that's it Honestly, could just be sloppy storytelling and they're just trying to make 1071 01:06:02,679 --> 01:06:04,679 it work for them. However they want to make it work for them. 1072 01:06:04,719 --> 01:06:10,039 But the fact here, when you get uh, you get this end scene 1073 01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:13,559 of her just like falling and like grabbing the queen, I thought that was 1074 01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,639 that was cool, timed very very well, but it was cool. I 1075 01:06:16,679 --> 01:06:20,519 guess Lance Henrickson coming back again voicing Bishop was met, but also coming back 1076 01:06:20,599 --> 01:06:26,159 as the he's done, like the creator of the Bishop androids, right, 1077 01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:32,239 so but he we'll talk more about him and his connection to Whyland than when 1078 01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:38,079 we get to you know, move into the future here and other retro films. 1079 01:06:38,119 --> 01:06:42,920 But yeah, I think all in all, Seeinglish the company kind of 1080 01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:46,840 show up and just seeing what their motivations are here. And I mean this 1081 01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:53,199 bishop, the real one, he gets whacked in the head and his ear 1082 01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,679 is like dangling off to the side, and he's like Ripley, think of 1083 01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,880 what we could learn from it, Like he's just so passionate, but man, 1084 01:07:00,199 --> 01:07:02,320 be in fucking pain with that ear just hanging off the side of his 1085 01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:06,280 fucking head. But yeah, i'd probably be crying. Still, I can't 1086 01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:10,519 find anyone because the only thing when I find time stuff is people somehow how 1087 01:07:10,639 --> 01:07:13,920 much is between two and three, but not how much they are there. 1088 01:07:14,039 --> 01:07:17,760 But I found this one theory of about the egg saying she was infested with 1089 01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:21,280 an embro that was eventually meant to become a queen, and some people speculate 1090 01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:26,159 the gestation for those are longer, and then also the hibernation like we said, 1091 01:07:26,159 --> 01:07:30,159 but she was also receiving drugs after said hibernation, so some people think 1092 01:07:30,159 --> 01:07:34,440 those drugs could have done some fun that aliens. On birth control, you 1093 01:07:34,519 --> 01:07:39,079 can just you don't get rid of the Yeah, So there you go. 1094 01:07:39,239 --> 01:07:41,480 Kids, if you get pregnant, you can't get rid of your baby, 1095 01:07:41,519 --> 01:07:44,599 but if you take birth control you can make it stay longer. No, 1096 01:07:45,079 --> 01:07:49,239 that's no, that's not what I'm saying, Taylor. I'm saying you can 1097 01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:53,400 get pregnant and then take birth control after and you'll just be pregnant longer. 1098 01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:58,519 That's what old Bill, slow down the process that months. Yes, So 1099 01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:00,920 kids, if you like ladies out there, love that idea. Yeah, 1100 01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,239 you don't like that. December day, boom, there's a pill you're in. 1101 01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:05,880 That's what they were doing a ripley. But I can't really find a 1102 01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:11,280 whole like like how long it Like it almost feels like no one cares about 1103 01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:14,440 how long the was on those ship in Alien three. No one else is 1104 01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,920 the creators. I did not feel like it was two weeks. I'm not 1105 01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:20,720 going to say you guys are wrong, but I felt like it was like 1106 01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:24,319 a few days. I did not feel like it was you. It felt 1107 01:08:24,359 --> 01:08:30,279 much shorter than that. Yeah, like then the two weeks yep. I 1108 01:08:30,399 --> 01:08:31,720 just I remember another sequence here, just when they're trying to set up the 1109 01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:36,039 first trap and they're just putting all this highly flammable flames out, and the 1110 01:08:36,119 --> 01:08:42,560 one fucker like he drops his torch accident, like accidentally the first time, 1111 01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,159 and he's like crawling down to grab it, and then the alien kills him. 1112 01:08:45,159 --> 01:08:47,960 Then it drops again, and this is the cheeky eighty five is like 1113 01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:51,880 wait for this signal and then just it all explodes and just blows everyone up. 1114 01:08:54,600 --> 01:09:00,560 Yeah, real shitty. That is shitty. Yeah, sitt. I 1115 01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:06,159 think my favorite thing of this movie is the iconic imagery of Ripley in the 1116 01:09:06,199 --> 01:09:10,319 Alien, like right there. I didn't realize that that's what this movie was 1117 01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:14,800 or sorry, that scene was from this movie and it was great. I 1118 01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:16,239 mean it's iconic. It's been memed on a lot and seeing a lot of 1119 01:09:16,359 --> 01:09:20,119 just edits of like it's I feel like it's popped up and family guy, 1120 01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:24,920 like just it's been popped up everywhere. This reference to see it here, 1121 01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:27,399 it's just like, is the Leo thing? I just kind of pointed at 1122 01:09:27,399 --> 01:09:30,279 my TV, like there it is, that's the moone right there. So 1123 01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,800 funny enough, Fox did not want him to shoot that scene as my first 1124 01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,439 pine on trivia. At one point, Dave Fincher was denied permission by the 1125 01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:41,359 films producers to shoot a crucial scene in the infirmary between the Ripley and the 1126 01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:44,880 Alien, where the latter whatever Mansley, stares over you at to Dada. 1127 01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:48,239 Against orders, Fincher grabs some gowney weaver a camera and shot the scene anyway. 1128 01:09:48,359 --> 01:09:51,000 The scene not only appears in the found cut, but also is prominantly 1129 01:09:51,039 --> 01:09:54,920 featured in the trailers and many guards to the movie's most iconic shot, which 1130 01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:58,479 it is. I feel like it's just like an alien shot in general. 1131 01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:00,399 You see that all the time. It's like I feel like back in the 1132 01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,000 day when I'd watch old DVDs, like that shot would be in there. 1133 01:10:03,039 --> 01:10:08,000 So it's funny that this shot that out of everything from this movie, the 1134 01:10:08,119 --> 01:10:12,000 thing that I would say, people keep alien one aliens, and then this 1135 01:10:12,199 --> 01:10:14,600 shot is a shot that they said, ah, we don't. And even 1136 01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:16,560 then, it's just like, this is why, I imagine it must just 1137 01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:20,640 have fucking sucked this set, because like why why did they feel like, 1138 01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:26,199 don't shoot that scene? Like it's just like it's a cool scene. He 1139 01:10:26,239 --> 01:10:29,560 wants to establish the alien in her face off, Like what was it that 1140 01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:32,560 the producers on set or that were somewhere in a different studio watching dailies just 1141 01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:35,800 be like, yeah, don't we really don't want you to shoot that scene, 1142 01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:39,239 Like don't shoot like the fact that he had to go sneak a camera 1143 01:10:39,359 --> 01:10:41,720 to go do it, And there's other stuff too that he wished he could 1144 01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:44,279 have shot differently because he won different lighting he wanted it, and it's on 1145 01:10:44,359 --> 01:10:46,720 a iconic but just like why like why was that a hill they were wanting 1146 01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,359 to die? I'm like, no, don't don't shoot that scene. And 1147 01:10:49,399 --> 01:10:51,079 then at the end they're like, oh, look at those look at this 1148 01:10:51,199 --> 01:10:54,399 great shot, Like, I don't think it would have cost that much money. 1149 01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:57,439 Maybe that's it. It's just because it was another Alien shot and they're 1150 01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,239 like, oh, anything the alien costs money. So maybe that is it. 1151 01:11:00,359 --> 01:11:01,680 But I don't know, just in the grand scheme of things, seems 1152 01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:05,079 silly. But yeah, iconic shot. Kirkla and you know that guy that 1153 01:11:05,359 --> 01:11:12,000 does those, they're very like cheap kind of creations. He puts, Yeah, 1154 01:11:12,039 --> 01:11:15,199 he puts the toothpaste in the toothbrush and puts it like by his head 1155 01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:17,600 and like as I close up and it's th re created three. Yeah, 1156 01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:21,479 jam, he's so good. I haven't seen Alien one though, so you 1157 01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,520 have it. Oh, I'm gonna pull that one up here. I'm gonna 1158 01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:28,159 pop it up. Oh you're gonna do it for me. Thank you. 1159 01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:35,159 Something that stood out to me actually in this one more, I mean just 1160 01:11:35,319 --> 01:11:40,720 I think coming off of Alien one and Alien two sound design, I thought 1161 01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:45,600 the sound design and Alien one is like some of the best audio I've ever 1162 01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,359 experienced in a movie, Like it just totally uplifts scenes. And this one 1163 01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:50,880 was kind of the opposite for me, I didn't really notice it until the 1164 01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:57,680 third act. But when they're doing their plan with the doors, and then 1165 01:11:58,039 --> 01:12:00,840 stuff starts to go wrong and you have one character come across the doggies, 1166 01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:05,640 you know, chewing down and his buddy, I thought like my audio was 1167 01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:09,119 bugged or something, like I had headphones on. I was watching it, 1168 01:12:09,159 --> 01:12:12,239 and I like, I thought my one earbud was like crapping out or something 1169 01:12:12,279 --> 01:12:15,680 because there's like no audio at all, and then it like scurries at him, 1170 01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,760 and it's like not really like a like a classic like like were like 1171 01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:24,600 intense audio effect. It's just like it's just like quiet, but like with 1172 01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:28,079 a couple like pitter patters in there. Like I guess the choice is to 1173 01:12:28,239 --> 01:12:31,760 just take away the audio to have the visual be more into Like I don't 1174 01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,720 know the reasoning of it. It's just from that point on, it like 1175 01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:39,399 stood out to me. So then I was really listening for those for anything, 1176 01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:42,239 and then I realized that my earbuds weren't just fucked. It was just 1177 01:12:42,319 --> 01:12:46,319 that particular moment that sounded weird, and like, I just think that was 1178 01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:49,920 the moment where I really noticed it. So it's not like the first two 1179 01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:54,079 acts were like atrocious. They just weren't really stand outy, like they uh 1180 01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:58,239 just kind of I don't know whatever like went in my head. And I 1181 01:12:58,359 --> 01:13:01,560 feel like that's not necessarily a bad thing. But I mean in alien one, 1182 01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,880 for example, like when I just hear those like the audio effect of 1183 01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:10,720 them out on the like the planet, and it's just like the wind and 1184 01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:14,560 this like little tone that just comes in like yeah, oh, it's just 1185 01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:17,840 like a perfect blend, a perfect formula I think to set the tone. 1186 01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:23,039 And in that third act I realize of like, oh wow, this is 1187 01:13:23,279 --> 01:13:29,119 this is poor. This is a poor version of what I found so immaculate 1188 01:13:29,159 --> 01:13:32,640 for what they're able to do. And an alien specifically aliens is uh, 1189 01:13:33,039 --> 01:13:38,680 it's it's it's alright. It's definitely not to the alien level. But yeah 1190 01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:41,800 no, just in that one scene particular, it was just like what a 1191 01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:46,399 what a misstep in my opinion that it might be alone there. Oh Unfortunately 1192 01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:50,800 for me, there's just nothing really technical side to shut out, even aliens 1193 01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:54,760 too, which I don't like as much as one. There's still technical stuff 1194 01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,800 that's really great. And I think other than a few shots here or there, 1195 01:13:58,119 --> 01:14:01,520 shots sound design like it's all score, Like it's just it's not there. 1196 01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:05,159 It's all it's all like juiceless, you know. It's it's the fat 1197 01:14:05,239 --> 01:14:09,560 free version. It's like an orange that like you crack it open and there's 1198 01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:13,600 like no juice in it, Like it's just totally dehydrated, halfway dried up 1199 01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:16,399 orange. You don't like it. One audio thing I did like, though, 1200 01:14:17,119 --> 01:14:21,239 was the fake out of the twentieth century Fox theme at the beginning of 1201 01:14:21,319 --> 01:14:25,720 the movie That's a good show kind of Yeah, like, rather than getting 1202 01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:30,760 that that happy resolution, that heroic last note, it just like fades into 1203 01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:34,319 the creepy ass alien music. Yeah, but yeah, I agree with you. 1204 01:14:34,359 --> 01:14:36,920 I feel like the sound didn't really stand out in the music too, 1205 01:14:38,199 --> 01:14:40,560 and even just in general, like the aesthetical that it doesn't really feel like 1206 01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:45,039 a space movie and it's really not like there isn't a whole lot of space 1207 01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:46,399 going on. But then like at the starting end of the movie, there 1208 01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:49,560 is still a lot of like shots of like just space and like you know, 1209 01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:54,880 a sun crosy and cruising around the horizon of a planet from afar, 1210 01:14:55,279 --> 01:14:58,800 so they're still trying to establish that vibe, but it doesn't ever really feel 1211 01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:01,239 like a base movie. I mean doesn't need to be the other ones, 1212 01:15:01,279 --> 01:15:03,199 you know, they don't spend a ton of time in space. But there's 1213 01:15:03,239 --> 01:15:09,000 definitely more than this one. The first one, I guess is probably like 1214 01:15:09,079 --> 01:15:15,479 the biggest. Yeah, that one's all about it. Dylan Is that his 1215 01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:20,000 name? The Yeah, we've been a podcast nine years now, Dylan Muss. 1216 01:15:20,039 --> 01:15:29,760 That's right, Yeah, the other Dylan. I found it rather funny 1217 01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:33,560 when when he's just like like full Nelson on Ripley, like like pulling her 1218 01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:38,359 away of like the alien when they're when they're trying to do their plan of 1219 01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:43,119 like prepping the lead. Morse I think is the one guy that ends up 1220 01:15:43,119 --> 01:15:46,840 turning on the lead. I think it was just the execution of it just 1221 01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,920 seems strange to me because she's like fighting them off, but they're like both 1222 01:15:50,039 --> 01:15:53,800 saying the same thing of like yeah, come over here and go ahead, 1223 01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:58,199 like I don't know. It's just a really weird scene to me. And 1224 01:15:58,319 --> 01:16:02,359 then what followed, because like Ripley, she knows the aliens inside of her 1225 01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:05,479 the embryo, and she's like, oh, just let like I want to 1226 01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:09,640 die. It's like no, the plans to kill him will kill you. 1227 01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,319 And then she's climbing up the ladder, and but he's just not at all. 1228 01:16:13,359 --> 01:16:15,920 He's just chilling there. He's ready to just die for his sins, 1229 01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:18,720 I guess, And and he's the one that makes a sacrifice play. It's 1230 01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,640 so funny because he's like, we're gonna kill the alien and then we kill 1231 01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:27,119 you. But then what does he decide, Yeah, I'll go down and 1232 01:16:27,159 --> 01:16:29,840 do the lead thing. You stay up there, like, well, he 1233 01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,399 doesn't get to make the choice, right, like, because the alien's freaking 1234 01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:34,720 out and they're trying to get out, and so when he starts to climb, 1235 01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:38,159 the alien stops and goes up, and then he goes back down, 1236 01:16:38,199 --> 01:16:40,840 and then the alien goes back down, so we knew he had away though 1237 01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:43,840 they were like right beside each other. Oh, she just got up because 1238 01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:46,399 she's quick. Plus the alien, the alien, the alien's not trying to 1239 01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:50,000 kill her, right, That's the other thing as well. So in this 1240 01:16:50,119 --> 01:16:54,680 situation, the alien sees Dylan as a threat to Ripley, the host. 1241 01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:59,600 So that's why because as well too, we saw the aling get baited because 1242 01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:02,000 Dylan was grabbing Ripley and like pulling her and she was screaming for trying to 1243 01:17:02,039 --> 01:17:05,399 be like she was being threatened. Right, So the alien has identified Dylan 1244 01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:10,399 as the threat to the queen at this time. Okay, so that's the 1245 01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:14,479 reason why he pull nails there. Yeah, ok, I get what I 1246 01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:17,000 get. Terror is right. I also think with Kirkle and the execution of 1247 01:17:17,039 --> 01:17:21,159 it's very sloppy and it's just messy. The amount of times that Dylan mentions 1248 01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:26,399 or exclaims rather to pour the lead, it just it got comedic for me. 1249 01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:30,119 It was like maybe four times too many boor the leador, the lad 1250 01:17:30,199 --> 01:17:34,720 pull the lead and then he's dying to the alien is like jacking him up, 1251 01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:38,960 like just just cutting him to ship, tearing them aparty, like BOI 1252 01:17:39,039 --> 01:17:42,560 the lead, you want this mother, And he's like taunting the alien as 1253 01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:46,840 it's just shripping the parts, and he's like, poor the lad. He 1254 01:17:47,159 --> 01:17:50,239 is one tough motherfucker. I will give him that much, because he did 1255 01:17:50,279 --> 01:17:54,920 not get one shot by the alien. But it got comedic for me. 1256 01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:58,119 I think just the amount of poor of the leads. M h. I 1257 01:17:58,199 --> 01:18:02,800 agree. Uh. Why is the three a little three in the title of 1258 01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:06,079 this movie? Is it because it's like a little alien, right, It's 1259 01:18:06,119 --> 01:18:09,760 like smaller the dog type is that. Why is that? Why? I 1260 01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:13,479 hope that's I feel like, what other reason would it be? Right? 1261 01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,680 Because because to me it's like a power of alien cub pointential symbol. But 1262 01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:23,680 but that's not because there's only what two aliens in this right, like the 1263 01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:27,560 one and then yeah, like the yeah one three others of the movies, 1264 01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:31,000 so that that the math wasn't even out of there. No, it's the 1265 01:18:31,079 --> 01:18:33,640 power of three. I think it's what I said, I really do. 1266 01:18:34,199 --> 01:18:38,319 I really think it is that. Or it's just like because I don't think 1267 01:18:38,319 --> 01:18:41,880 I've ever seen a movie do that other than this one. Here, I 1268 01:18:42,239 --> 01:18:46,239 so shouts chat cheept. The three in the Alien three logos stylized is a 1269 01:18:46,319 --> 01:18:49,640 superscript small three to represent the concept of the third power or cube, a 1270 01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:53,840 litting with the theme of the third installment in the Alien film series. Design 1271 01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:57,760 Chowice emphasized the idea of the third movie being a continuation amplification of the franchise. 1272 01:18:58,079 --> 01:19:00,920 It's just an exponential increase in the tensity dangered evolution of the alien threat. 1273 01:19:01,159 --> 01:19:04,159 It's a creative way to visually represent the numeral three while also conveying a 1274 01:19:04,239 --> 01:19:11,760 sense of mathematical scientific progression. Sure did any of those PostScript it's because the 1275 01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:15,319 alien is small. Yeah, I don't know about that. Yeah, I 1276 01:19:15,359 --> 01:19:18,399 don't like that. I also just don't like the I just don't like the 1277 01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:21,640 little alien that we have in here. Like the idea of fusing with the 1278 01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:27,479 dog, I don't think it's like a terrible idea of just getting different variations 1279 01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,680 of them fusing with the creature, Like if we get sasquatch zeno morph that 1280 01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:36,399 would be pretty hype. Dog. I love dogs, but I just I 1281 01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:39,680 don't know, like as soon as we see the dog and the opening, 1282 01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,560 when like the crew is fine, I'm like, oh my god, we're 1283 01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:45,000 getting the fucking dogs, you know more if aren't we Like, it's just 1284 01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:48,359 it was it was a lot worse. It was a lot worse. I 1285 01:19:48,399 --> 01:19:54,680 guess of why it's smaller, it's because it was its host was a dog. 1286 01:19:55,039 --> 01:20:00,840 Kenan that it's like with any She's like, you know, there's just 1287 01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:02,439 variants in their sides because I didn't rely think about it being the dogs, 1288 01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,479 and they do a lot with that in Prometheus. Prometheus deals with a lot 1289 01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:09,479 of like if you're mixing this and that, this could be a bit orient 1290 01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:15,199 Deadlines Metchlorian's one scene I did really enjoy is. I think it's the funeral 1291 01:20:15,359 --> 01:20:19,159 scene when Dylan's giving his sermon, and I think that's actually like well written 1292 01:20:19,199 --> 01:20:23,199 and he's talking about each new seed is a new life, and like it 1293 01:20:23,319 --> 01:20:28,600 keeps cutting back between that scene and then like the dog just getting absolutely destroyed 1294 01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:30,720 and then the alien popping on a bit. So I thought that sequence was 1295 01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:34,880 actually really really cool, really well done. The guy falling to the fan, 1296 01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:40,279 that was that was nasty. I thought that was well done on the 1297 01:20:40,359 --> 01:20:45,079 visuals of it. I love how like like right away they were just gonna 1298 01:20:45,119 --> 01:20:47,439 like right off like, oh, he's just clumsy. He just fucking fell 1299 01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:50,279 him the fan. I told him to not go close to the fan and 1300 01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:54,840 he did it, Like they just yeah, that's what happened. He just 1301 01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:58,920 fell. It is just I don't know, they don't put him in a 1302 01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:02,399 high regard. He just in that through their point of view for the way 1303 01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:08,880 they're talking about it seemed like that's just like yeah, I think that the 1304 01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:15,319 sequence when Ripley goes and rebuilds Bishop to get the information from the shuttle, 1305 01:21:15,319 --> 01:21:17,199 I thought it's really cool. It's a really fun idea, and I think 1306 01:21:17,239 --> 01:21:21,000 that works well too, where he had that information that the company knew about 1307 01:21:21,039 --> 01:21:26,319 the alien, and that's obviously sets up why they're coming to the planet already. 1308 01:21:26,359 --> 01:21:28,880 So I thought all that stuff's pretty interesting. Yeah, I do like 1309 01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:30,439 that computer bit. I'm with you on that one. It was added some 1310 01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:34,600 intrigue there, So I think I'm on the fence with the the I guess 1311 01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:39,760 Bishop's designer Taylor said his name is the Creator, right, kind of known 1312 01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:43,920 as the Creator like being. I like the idea that you know he would 1313 01:21:44,199 --> 01:21:47,079 It's like it makes sense for a big company CEO guy to like have the 1314 01:21:47,199 --> 01:21:51,760 ego so big that he wants these androids to be based off of him and 1315 01:21:53,119 --> 01:21:56,720 like replicate him and almost make him immortal in a sense. So I think 1316 01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:58,640 some of that's cool, but I just feel like the whole ending of that, 1317 01:21:59,199 --> 01:22:01,359 I just feel like it's it's so much retread of things we've done before 1318 01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:04,199 in the past. And then just like you know, he is like sympathetic 1319 01:22:04,279 --> 01:22:08,319 at first, but then when he just turns to like just trying to capture 1320 01:22:08,399 --> 01:22:12,439 Ripley and capture the alien and takes like this full kind of evil turn, 1321 01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:15,479 It's just it's such a rushed sequence of it. I don't know what I 1322 01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:18,800 would have wanted instead. But yeah, it's like some cool ideas but just 1323 01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:23,560 poor execution, which I guess I couldn't save for a lot of this movie. 1324 01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:25,560 I don't think a lot. I think this movie is mostly the opposite, 1325 01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:29,039 where someone's executions good, but like the ideas suck for the most part. 1326 01:22:29,199 --> 01:22:32,479 So yeah, that was a thing. I think that was my last 1327 01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:41,399 note as well. Actually anything else I got? Uh? I found this 1328 01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:46,159 this gem earlier today. Oh yeah, it was hawk to Us. Did 1329 01:22:46,199 --> 01:22:48,800 you make that? I did not make it. I'm not making any hawk 1330 01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:51,279 to Us stuff. No, no, no, what is the left part 1331 01:22:51,319 --> 01:22:57,960 of that meme? I feel like there's an interesting video that's circulating. It's 1332 01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:00,239 the latest trend of this woman is like you gotta hok t on that thing, 1333 01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:05,680 and imagine how saying you need to spin on a cock? Spin on 1334 01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:09,479 a cock? She says hawk to It's in an interview, and so everyone's 1335 01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:13,560 like meming around with hawk Tua because she's the hawk to girl that I should 1336 01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:21,279 No, no, it's ana and what I'm gonna pete. I can't even 1337 01:23:21,319 --> 01:23:26,880 say it enough. Just trip me up. That's a word that sounds like 1338 01:23:27,399 --> 01:23:32,920 what it is, Yeah, exactly okay and hot. This is not need 1339 01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:36,159 to be in the alien Richer, This one that's gonna even forgot it in 1340 01:23:36,239 --> 01:23:44,880 here. The film production process was so chaotic and the reception my fans and 1341 01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:47,800 critics were so unfavable that nearly ended Dave Avenger's career before We ever had a 1342 01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:51,359 chance of game momentum. But two things ended up saving him from permanent movie 1343 01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:58,359 jail. First thing was are we republic publicly and often angrily side with Finchergain's 1344 01:23:58,399 --> 01:24:01,159 Fox, telling journalists that this too had made decisions that resulted in an impossible 1345 01:24:01,159 --> 01:24:05,560 situation for a young director, and that he would have an excellent career given 1346 01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:11,720 the further chances. The other thing was producer Arnold Copan's son knew that new 1347 01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:14,880 and didn't respect Fox management, and that was part of the process where he 1348 01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,199 ultimately offered Fincher a new project years later, and that project was Seven. 1349 01:24:17,319 --> 01:24:21,800 So pretty cool that he's producing this movie. He can see, man, 1350 01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:25,600 the studio is really fucking him over. But he got talent years later. 1351 01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:28,840 So that's three years later, Seven, which is like one of his biggest 1352 01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:31,119 films that definitely propels and that was a big film that year. So kind 1353 01:24:31,159 --> 01:24:34,880 of cool that how many years later was three years later, so kind of 1354 01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:39,079 cool that producer is like, yeah, he's definitely got something here. Did 1355 01:24:39,159 --> 01:24:43,840 he do another movie in between this and seven? Ooh, I feel like 1356 01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:46,239 he did. I feel like seven there was still like a Mulligan. Oka. 1357 01:24:46,279 --> 01:24:47,800 Yeah, I take a look. I feel like there's a Mulligan in 1358 01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:54,319 there and one that was better. So let's see, there's these are a 1359 01:24:54,399 --> 01:24:58,520 few notes kind of like this. David Fincher later stated the constitutey interference made 1360 01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:00,359 the film's trace so far from his vision that the only way to make a 1361 01:25:00,359 --> 01:25:03,600 director's cut would be to burn the entire negative and start over. He also 1362 01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:08,159 admitted that in the nineteen ninety two La Riots, when they started and it 1363 01:25:08,239 --> 01:25:11,119 got close to the labor of the film's negatives had been developed, he had 1364 01:25:11,159 --> 01:25:14,800 hoped the entire building would burn down and the film with it. So he's 1365 01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:17,319 in the mob. He's like wearing a mask or something. Come on this 1366 01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:19,520 way. No, no, no, this doesn't do this. No, 1367 01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:24,640 let's get it. They're they're the man. Uh first, let's see, 1368 01:25:25,119 --> 01:25:28,119 okay. Yeah. He had to work on it for two years then got 1369 01:25:28,199 --> 01:25:31,079 fired off at three times and had to fight for every single thing. No 1370 01:25:31,199 --> 01:25:34,760 one hates this film more more than the more than me to this day, 1371 01:25:35,039 --> 01:25:38,960 and no one hates it the way I do, he said. Concert studio 1372 01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:43,119 interference from the production actually worked out when the studio rejected his initial cut and 1373 01:25:43,279 --> 01:25:48,119 order extensive reshoots. He was not involved in the final cut, and yeah, 1374 01:25:48,159 --> 01:25:49,960 we kind of talked about that. Hell yeah, there is an assembly 1375 01:25:50,039 --> 01:25:54,039 cut of other stuff that was cut, but he didn't want anything to do 1376 01:25:55,159 --> 01:26:00,479 with that. I think seven was his second movie. Did like another bunch 1377 01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:04,439 of what looks like music videos and commercials and things. Damn seven was his 1378 01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:08,279 second movie. What a way to come back? And I want to over 1379 01:26:08,359 --> 01:26:11,800 Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman thinking they had they related to trust those producers like 1380 01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:15,119 no man, like I know he did Alien three, but like trust me, 1381 01:26:15,319 --> 01:26:18,960 like these do something good and you know trusted Arnold that must have whatever 1382 01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:23,520 you said his name was. Oh yeah. It was just been like the 1383 01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:29,199 best on set experience coming off of Alien three till like seven, even if 1384 01:26:29,239 --> 01:26:32,239 it wasn't great, just the jump up of I imagine, yeah, no, 1385 01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:35,399 don't do the scene of What's in the box like, let's just not 1386 01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:39,640 do let's just not do that. I don't know. We'll have to wait 1387 01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:42,560 till we get to a seven retrospective one day. I don't know when one 1388 01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:45,520 day. Oh my god, it's so good. Also, never seen fight 1389 01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:50,479 Club? Oh my god, Wow, I haven't, Taylor. Really, 1390 01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:56,439 it's this is just a me and retrospective now, my god, fight Club. 1391 01:26:56,560 --> 01:27:00,640 But it's crazy. I can give you a second work. Finally watched 1392 01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:03,039 Broke Back Mountain. Recent fantastic movie. Right, I'm trying to get through 1393 01:27:03,039 --> 01:27:05,279 it. I'm trying to get through all these old movies that I haven't seen 1394 01:27:05,359 --> 01:27:09,479 it. Fantastic movie. Right, Yeah, I really enjoyed. It was 1395 01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:12,319 very good, good and he was quiet, so I was worried. U 1396 01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:16,079 director David Fincher did Let's see Sorry? Where was I? A lotless? 1397 01:27:16,159 --> 01:27:19,279 Alien three was greenlit by the studio because it was considered to be a sure 1398 01:27:19,399 --> 01:27:21,640 hit, and this was that time where Fox was having lots of bombs. 1399 01:27:23,039 --> 01:27:26,039 The studio head was already said a release date before a screenplay or even a 1400 01:27:26,159 --> 01:27:30,159 story outline had been decided upon. Fincher later said that the lack of direction 1401 01:27:30,239 --> 01:27:34,000 in the story was a source of many creative disagreements and productional difficulties. While 1402 01:27:34,039 --> 01:27:38,239 he was trying to deliver the best possible film, the studio didn't seem particularly 1403 01:27:38,279 --> 01:27:41,520 concerned with the quality as long as the movie was released on its date. 1404 01:27:42,159 --> 01:27:45,640 Fincher comment that in his inexperience made things worse, and since this was his 1405 01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:47,640 rectial debut, he did not have a successful one to back up his opinion, 1406 01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:51,760 give the studios and producers ample reason to ignore any input. So yeah, 1407 01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:54,399 they just kind of big leading the whole time, like, oh, 1408 01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:58,399 you're here to do this, and so yeah, he said, you wanted 1409 01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:00,079 to be it darker than when it got here, which I think it's still 1410 01:28:00,119 --> 01:28:04,039 a dark movie. You still killed noon everything. But here's what I talked 1411 01:28:04,079 --> 01:28:08,359 about a little bit where some of them he got an issue with the writers. 1412 01:28:09,279 --> 01:28:12,640 Dave Fincher did not like the final script written by producers Walter Hill and 1413 01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:15,920 David Giller, and they fought bitterly over it for two months as production was 1414 01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:21,640 postponed from November nineteen ninety to January. So yeah, January nineteen ninety one, 1415 01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:27,119 So for two months they were going back and forth with let's see, 1416 01:28:28,039 --> 01:28:31,239 Fincher hired a guy named Pickett brought him for a complete four weeks of rewrite, 1417 01:28:31,279 --> 01:28:34,199 and then the Steel like their version and went with there. But then, 1418 01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:40,079 much to the original writer's anger, who furiously withdrew from the production and 1419 01:28:40,279 --> 01:28:45,279 ran where is it here? So what happened was they rewrote some of the 1420 01:28:45,359 --> 01:28:49,960 script, but then the original writers took the original script, so Fincher and 1421 01:28:50,079 --> 01:28:53,880 the new writer did not have that script. So then they just had to 1422 01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:58,840 rewrite their like the script of that script. Like it just was a mess. 1423 01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:00,920 It was just with the mess with the writers and everything like that. 1424 01:29:00,039 --> 01:29:03,840 So it sounds like a lot of stuff went on. Let's see here I 1425 01:29:04,039 --> 01:29:08,680 already talked about. Yeah, I talked about how they wanted to really Scott 1426 01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:11,840 said he would have came back if they were doing an origin movie, but 1427 01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:15,640 obviously that didn't happen. Let's see, Yeah, seven million dollars were spent 1428 01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:20,000 on sets that were never used due to the ever changing script. So yeah, 1429 01:29:20,119 --> 01:29:25,199 just seven million worth of sets just sitting there and doing nothing. Michael 1430 01:29:25,239 --> 01:29:28,640 Beanan, who played Hicks, stated interview that he was deeply hurt he was 1431 01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:31,760 not asked to return, but even more so the film opened Hicks immediately being 1432 01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:35,079 killed off. He started that he did find Hicks dying per se, but 1433 01:29:35,159 --> 01:29:40,159 objected the careless way that they did in the film. He therefore refused the 1434 01:29:40,199 --> 01:29:43,760 studio permission to use a dummy corpse of his likeness, but allowed them to 1435 01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:45,920 use his photo. So and at one point, I guess there was talks 1436 01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:48,880 of an opening where he was killed, and that's where some of the disagreement 1437 01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:51,920 came in. But yeah, it even came to the point where they would 1438 01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:56,560 not he wouldn't use their likeness. So that's why you don't see Hicks's face 1439 01:29:56,640 --> 01:30:00,640 on that dummy. So yeah, we talked about singory. We she was 1440 01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:03,199 down to shave her head and the other people were like, she said the 1441 01:30:03,319 --> 01:30:06,359 quotes It's fine with me only as long as I get more money, which 1442 01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:09,640 you know, as we talked about that must have been the main reason for 1443 01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:14,319 doing this one. Once Hendrickson agreed to reprise his role as Bishop as a 1444 01:30:14,359 --> 01:30:16,680 personal favor to Walter Hill, who's the producer. To this day, Henderson 1445 01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:20,319 said he dislikes the film for its nihilistic views, even though he had fun 1446 01:30:20,399 --> 01:30:26,199 making it. So there you go. Let's see. I think I covered 1447 01:30:26,279 --> 01:30:30,560 that one already. At one point, they wrote in the original treatments for 1448 01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:33,159 these films. They were gonna do a two parter and shoot them back to 1449 01:30:33,279 --> 01:30:39,000 back. Sat Guria Weaver's question was return as Ripley, Where did I just 1450 01:30:39,079 --> 01:30:42,800 go there? The first part she was gonna So because of that, they're 1451 01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:45,600 gonna write the first movie she was going to be in a coma, and 1452 01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:47,239 then they'd if they could get her back for the second one, they'd bring 1453 01:30:47,279 --> 01:30:50,000 her back there. So they weren't gonna when the film was two parter, 1454 01:30:50,119 --> 01:30:54,279 they would have her there, and then Hicks was hopefully gonna be the main 1455 01:30:54,399 --> 01:30:58,720 character. So there's all I'd love to see all the versions they paid for 1456 01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:01,319 for the not a script of they're gonna do two parter and then Sigourney Weamber 1457 01:31:01,399 --> 01:31:03,359 maybe wasn't in it, so they had the idea of, we'll keep her 1458 01:31:03,399 --> 01:31:06,119 in a coma, Hicks will be the main character the first part, we'll 1459 01:31:06,159 --> 01:31:09,960 work on getting Sangourney back and then get her in for the second part, 1460 01:31:10,359 --> 01:31:13,319 and then they just lost Hicks overall. So there was it was a whole 1461 01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:16,319 world win of stuff going on. And finally to what Kirkle was talking about, 1462 01:31:16,319 --> 01:31:19,079 you didn't like the alien dog. Although the alien hatch from the dog 1463 01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:24,840 was a road rod puppet. Early film tests use an actual dog in an 1464 01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:30,119 alien costume. The dog was a whippet owned by one of the special effects 1465 01:31:30,119 --> 01:31:32,560 people, which was used to dress in a suit and a muzzle. However, 1466 01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:35,880 a special effects team thought the dog's movements made the alien look rather comical, 1467 01:31:36,239 --> 01:31:40,319 so the idea was scrapped in favor of the puppet. So I guess 1468 01:31:40,359 --> 01:31:42,680 at one point, yeah, they just had a full suit on the dog 1469 01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:44,960 and was like this, this will work, and then once they got back 1470 01:31:45,159 --> 01:31:46,800 like, oh, this doesn't work at all, So I'm not sure if 1471 01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:50,039 that's also why so that CGI is bad because that was maybe not the intent. 1472 01:31:50,159 --> 01:31:54,760 They want to attend to do those alien running scenes practical, and then 1473 01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:57,439 when they looked at it, they went all, this shure looks like shit. 1474 01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:03,520 So yeah, do you want to see a photo of it please? 1475 01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:08,479 Of the dog. I really do get one of the ox too, if 1476 01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:11,640 you don't mind. Yea, yeah, alien ox. That's more intimidating. 1477 01:32:13,119 --> 01:32:15,800 So it's not it's not like like video video footage, but it's just like, 1478 01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:18,359 well, I get it adds on, it adds on, So there's 1479 01:32:18,439 --> 01:32:23,800 the getting scary. The skin suit. Oh they do got video? There 1480 01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:29,479 we go. It's like a necromonger from fucking Chronicle Ritic, you know, 1481 01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:36,880 the one I do not. I don't either. Yeah, I just want 1482 01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:40,840 to see them get that head on it. Do they have to put the 1483 01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:45,239 whole head on it too? You kept them on a leash too? Oh 1484 01:32:45,359 --> 01:32:47,680 yeah, there's the like, why, yeah, why did they think this 1485 01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:56,359 was a good idea? Why? Even on my I feel bad for him? 1486 01:32:56,760 --> 01:32:59,359 Yeah, I do too. I don't like I don't like animal sports 1487 01:32:59,399 --> 01:33:04,800 and stuff either. So this is the nineties or a different time. Why, 1488 01:33:08,159 --> 01:33:10,279 like, why even at this point you look at and you just go, 1489 01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:12,840 yeah, let this is not gonna work out? Why and get them 1490 01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:15,239 on the set and move them around. Poor dog hopefully got paid well Likexan 1491 01:33:15,279 --> 01:33:18,880 Gourney. Hopefully you got least a point five million. You know that's pretty 1492 01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:23,079 freaky. But I mean you can tell it's a dog. But I mean, 1493 01:33:23,119 --> 01:33:26,000 if you've never seen Alien movie and this thing fucking charges at you, 1494 01:33:26,159 --> 01:33:30,840 I mean, I don't know. The more it runs, the more it 1495 01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:34,159 looks like a different dog species could have been, yes, like a great 1496 01:33:34,279 --> 01:33:36,640 Dane or something, you know, like something large. I don't know, 1497 01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:45,600 absolutely too, dog, that bulldog breathing you'll kill You'll kill a bull dog 1498 01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:49,039 with their breathing issues, like here suit this thing up. I don't have 1499 01:33:49,039 --> 01:33:51,960 any final thoughts. Really not a great movie. I don't really know what 1500 01:33:53,079 --> 01:33:58,079 my score would be, like, I think I'm like a four out of 1501 01:33:58,159 --> 01:34:00,000 ten. I think I can't pass the I don't even think it's a five 1502 01:34:00,079 --> 01:34:04,000 for me. I think because that's probably some of the more egregious story choices. 1503 01:34:04,399 --> 01:34:06,640 I think as a movie, it's not like an all time bad movie, 1504 01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:09,720 but stuff like for me, like I said, Hicks a new like 1505 01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:12,680 that is a big thing that just sucks. That's like not a fan of 1506 01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:15,479 that. So yeah, I'll go four or ten. I can't can't pass 1507 01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:17,279 this one. Can't even be on the line of a fifty percent. Can 1508 01:34:17,279 --> 01:34:20,279 anyone remember what I gave Aliens? I think I gave that a four? 1509 01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:26,680 Right, Oh my god, I think you're pretty high on Aliens. No, 1510 01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:30,199 he wasn't. No, I think he failed that. Yeah, podcast, 1511 01:34:30,239 --> 01:34:31,760 so would you give him this? I guess I'll give this a five 1512 01:34:32,159 --> 01:34:42,079 on the right that mid mark. Here you go, Kirkling, I wanna 1513 01:34:42,119 --> 01:34:51,199 go three bucket, Yeah, Alien Ground little three exactly exponentially bad. Yeah, 1514 01:34:53,119 --> 01:34:55,880 Taylor, you can go last, because you're gonna maybe the at least 1515 01:34:55,880 --> 01:35:00,119 one passing score in here. I'm gonna be four out of ten. I'm 1516 01:35:00,159 --> 01:35:05,680 not gonna pass fail. I don't know what's the last cast we've all failed 1517 01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:11,119 the movie together. I think it doesn't fail. That's fifty. Okay, 1518 01:35:11,199 --> 01:35:15,800 we were close. But I would like to look into the the Annals of 1519 01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:21,479 History to be like when the Annals of History annals when did we fit all 1520 01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:25,199 fail a movie? Because I feel like it's always like that, like if 1521 01:35:25,239 --> 01:35:27,840 someone gave it a five, right, Like usually it's like at least a 1522 01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:30,600 six will be will be dropped, right. I'd really have to go through 1523 01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:33,800 a list we don't find. I don't give things threes very often. That's 1524 01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:38,640 a pretty score. No, because I feel like, luckily we don't review 1525 01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:41,880 those movies unless they're comic ones. But I feel like we only bumping those 1526 01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:44,920 in the retro when we're having to go back and watch some questionable stuff. 1527 01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:48,239 So did you pass Strangers? No? I don't think I did, But 1528 01:35:48,359 --> 01:35:54,359 then it wasn't on that so I would assume. I would assume Dylan wouldn't 1529 01:35:54,399 --> 01:35:57,119 pass it, So I guess I could say he has strangers would count. 1530 01:35:57,119 --> 01:35:59,199 But yeah, I think I think I gave that like a four out of 1531 01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:00,319 five four five to me? Is that? Like? What do you think 1532 01:36:00,319 --> 01:36:04,880 I would have given that one? A thumbs down? Just a straight up 1533 01:36:05,319 --> 01:36:10,159 have you given a number? Now? I feel like you're you're probably the 1534 01:36:10,239 --> 01:36:15,319 same. I think you're a three point five or lower for strangers. That's 1535 01:36:15,359 --> 01:36:18,800 where I think you are. It's pretty pretty unimaginable that one. Then well 1536 01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:23,720 there's a whole trilogy though, you know, not the new one that is, 1537 01:36:24,279 --> 01:36:27,159 That's what I mean. Didn't you get the new one? Then? 1538 01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:30,359 Yeah, but no, that's a trilogy, right. They filmed them all 1539 01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:32,000 back to back. Rainne Harlan, the guy who almost directed this movie. 1540 01:36:32,159 --> 01:36:35,239 He's making those stranger things. My brain, I can't handle this information. 1541 01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:40,159 That's fine, ladies, gentlemen. We'll be back next week. We thought 1542 01:36:40,239 --> 01:36:44,399 this got a little rocky, but we'll be back next week with Alien Resurrection, 1543 01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:49,159 oh boy, and it will not be boring. See Yeah,