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The Chilly Effect is sponsored by Wall
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you, Yeah yeah, Shelly,
October two, twenty three, allegedly according

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to that thing we call a calendar, and this is the show you're looking

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for. So anyway, a Monday, and I don't do broadcasts on Monday

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every Monday any longer. But I
had to tonight, and I'll tell you

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why. I wanted to make sure
I got back to my friend Walt Brown.

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Walt Brown, PhD. Of course, he is the author of a

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great many different works. Now a
lot of them are JFK related, but

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not all of them. Uh.
You know, if I crack open this

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book I have in front of me
called The Kennedy Execution, and I just

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take a look at a list.
Of course, the first thing I ever

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saw the people v Lee Harvey Oswald, Okay, history on Trial. Well,

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Oswald didn't go to trial. It
was a novelization I believe would be

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the proper term, but then again, I'm not mister literary here. But

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it was an enjoyable romp through what
would happen? That led to some other

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work, Treachery in Dallas, the
Warrant Omission, which I highly recommend and

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have recommended on the show recently,
because that would be that book I said

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would probably more accurately rename The Commission
The Dullest Commission. Wal Brown is an

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active educator, or at least was
up until recently. I'm not sure if

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he's still working, but I know
he was for a long time, and

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he certainly educated not only students in
a classroom, but hey, authors other

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people. He had The Deep Politics
Quarterly for many years. I was a

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subscriber, loved that publication, published
in there a couple of times myself.

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There's an oddity, if you know, I decided to actually, you know,

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make that crazy attempt at writing.
It meant something to me. The

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Deep Politics Quarterly was a unique and
a powerful publication in my mind, and

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certainly it focused on JFK. But
again, he's written about a lot of

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other things. And I didn't even
finish his JFK stuff, did I The

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JFK Assassination Quiz book, which I
have a few of them around here somewhere,

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great, by the way, if
you can get your hands on them.

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Not sure if they are still being
printed anywhere, but I do know

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they're available on eBay from time to
time, and maybe we'll find out if

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Walt's got a couple stashed around the
house. Anyways, before we go anywhere

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else. You have you have the
index, you have the Guns of Texas

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or upon you. You have the
global index to the Kennedy assassination. You

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have the JFK Master Chronology, which
is on CD. And it's because you

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couldn't probably afford to have this book
printed as large as it is, over

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thirty thousand pages. Okay, on
the chronology, and what I thought was

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the end of Walt writing about this. Now, since then, he's written

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mystery novels, He's written a chronology
on World War Two in the Eastern Front,

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he's written about well previous anyway,
A long time ago he wrote about

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John Adams, great book on John
Adams. I've read that one as well.

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I don't think I personally have a
copy of that at the moment,

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but I would suggest you added to
your library if you can. You the

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listener out there. Okay, and
yeah, a lot of stuff. But

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it was weird because after the chronology, I thought, what was done with

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the JFK assassination. I mean,
he had spent many years not just researching

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it, but writing about it.
Writing about it in the Deep Politics Quarterly.

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And it wasn't just a dry read
either. There was a bit of

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the well, let's be blunt,
some smartass remarks in there, okay,

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some commentary occasionally some opinion from Walt. You could say he used to update

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us, and there used to be
a guy that worked with him intensely about

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updating people as to who had actually
passed, the witnesses that were no longer

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going to be available, to the
assassination, the events of connected things to

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the Kennedy k etc. All of
that went on in the Deep Politics Quarterly

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for years, and he spent years
writing this chronology, which again I highly

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recommend and short you can get it
broken down into various e books so that

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you don't have to buy the whole
thing at once, but you should certainly

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acquire the entirety of it, because
it's an immense and amazing resource, first

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of all, and it's entertaining.
So but anyway, the funny thing was

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the Kennedy execution came after that.
All right, I have talked enough.

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Well, first of all, how
are you doing tonight? You're in Jersey.

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I envy you for that. I'm
in Georgia. But how are you

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doing tonight? Oh I'm good and
hello to everybody out there. We kind

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of lucked out over the last ten
days. New Jersey and New York City

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have been just ravaged with rain and
five miles of war. I lived.

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There were people getting around in kayaks, of course, I mean in the

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street. It's not the smartest thing
to do, but they do it.

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We looked out in this little corner
of the world, So thank God for

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that. It's good to be back. It's always good to be on I

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gotta kick out of so many things
in the introduction, Yeah, there are

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copies of the Quis book available.
Is it being printed? No, it's

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a whole horror story with the group
that printed it. They never paid me,

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but they sent me a couple of
cartons of them. I appreciate the

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shout out to Brian Rooney who kept
up with the news and the passages on

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the Deep Politics Quarterly, which was
really a lot of fun to do.

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In a thousand stories in there,
I can tell you that another time,

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well pronology. Brian was a great
guy. Yeah, just real quick,

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Brian. Brian was a great guy
and I only got the chance to meet

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him once or twice. He was
very, very careful and did a lot

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of work on that, and I
know he was essential and keeping the passages

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together, which was a section was
that always at the beginning of the d

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politics quarterly that that's not necessarily always
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at the beginning though, right the
chronology itself. And yeah, you know,

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I know you're saying to people,
Hey, you gotta read it,

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and you gotta get it. Anyone
out there that wants it can have it.

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I'm not gonna, you know,
pynical time. People are death over

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what it should cost or what it
costs me to get it made. You

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know, we just we just go
from here. I want people to read

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it, and as it turned out, a lot of people did actually read.

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Well, a good number of people
read all of it. God bless,

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a reasonable number of people read parts
of it. I mean, I

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got some royalty checks from the company
that published it. Interesting crew. I

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met them over dinner with Richard Belzer
in New York City. But as I

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said, it took seven and a
half years to do it. And during

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that time I took forty days off. And the reason for that was that

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every every entry in the chronology.
Let's say it starts in eighteen twenty three,

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and a lot of what builds up
is the Kennedy family. They outside

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of the Secret Service, and it's
changes or what it went likewise, the

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Bureau of Investigation, which became the
Federal Bureau of Investigation. But every entry

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that went in there was always at
risk of being contradicted or corroborated. And

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if I found something, if if
I typed in X and I found something

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I corroborated, it had to match
it up. If I found something I

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contradicted it, I had to include
that. And that meant that the whole

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thing had to be on my mental
desktop every day, and it was.

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It was very rare. And then
I got to the index. Then I

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took eight months. And then they
can't put that on on the kindle or

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the whatever the sales because there's no
pages on the readers. So the index

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is I don't consider it useless because
it's annodd annotated. It tells you who

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all people are. That was eight
months, never again, so getting to

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you know, I'm done. You
know that's it. Wow, put that

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out there. Happy days. I'm
going to do something else. I don't

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know what I stopped teaching in two
thousand and eight because they I was teaching

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at US Focal College and they took
history out of the required curriculum, and

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I was the highest paid adjunct and
it was the easiest one for them to

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I was the best value for them
to exclude. So I went on unemployment

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for three years, but I tasked
the thirty four years. So I was

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all done with the chronology, and
from the people who went through all or

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most of it, I got an
awful lot of inquiries like, well,

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that's the bottom line, and that's
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You know, anybody that anybody that
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five hundred pages once or thirty thousand, I had a right, you know,

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to ask the tough questions. And
I just decided, Okay, I'm

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going to take what I know,
what I can verify. And there were

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some things that I was able to
verify eight nine years ago that were supposed

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to be made public but haven't been
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doesn't change the reality of the story. So I set about and the place

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I was going with all of it, based on what was in the chronology,

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was that the United States military or
military intelligence or some little rogue squad

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and the Pentagon we're behind the events
in Dallas. And that's that's a tough

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call. And I imagine to some
people it's a tough sell because they think

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the MOB data or Johnson data,
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I don't know, but as you
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I went, I went back to
the beginning. I mean the beginning

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of time. The first I guess
the first maybe hundred pages, the first

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hundred pages of that book are the
history of militarism in the world, starting

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with the days when men and women
who had been hunting and food gathering decided,

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Hey, let's live in this place
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it, and we'll have food all
the time. And it worked for a

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while, and then somebody else came
along and said, Hey, we're bigger,

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we're uglier, we're tougher, we're
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And you know that happened, you
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thousand years and in ten thousand places, to the point where in order to

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have your food and in order to
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producing tools you had to have them
protected. And that was the beginning of

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the rise of militarists. And when
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no matter where you put your finger
on a globe, they're going to have

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an army, because if they don't, the name of the place is going

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to be changed and they're going to
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only place I can think of that
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more than one. But then place
if I can think of the Vatican City,

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and they've got those guys in the
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their commander in chief is heavyweight,
so you know they can get away with

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it. And if having spent a
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their riches there, I'm surprised nobody's
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militarism has gone on from time,
you know, from the first time that

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the craps got crushed by nasty guys
in our in our situation, we had

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volunteers in the seventeen seventies, which
led to the Second Amendment shaking the musket

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down from over the fireplace and going
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And then we caught a break in
the Orleans. The next time we

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fought the British because they won most
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our own in house war, which
was a calamity by any by any standard,

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and then we decided, hey,
we're not crazy about war anymore,

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so send the guys home. After
the Civil War, General Custer was broken

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busted, downtick captain because they didn't
need generals. The total army was like

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fifteen thousand guys. He eventually worked
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he had his misadventure in Montana in
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yeah, and General Custer got no
Lieutenant Colonel Custer got killed, and

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we didn't have a standing army.
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an industrially powerful nations which benefited from
a Monroe doctrine that said, hey,

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said hell out of this atmosphere,
and we won't buy the your atmosphere.

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But for a long time it worked
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the sophistication of weaponry was vastly enhanced
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for ninety nine years between the Congress
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and there was pressures going on in
the United States, you know, we

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should help we should help them over
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quite what was at stake at first. Certainly we held off a long time.

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Wilson got reelected on the slogan he
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then he was inaugurated on March fourth, and war was declared the first week

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April, which is one of those
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sent you know, the dough boys
over to Flanders and elsewhere, and we

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were at the difference map that we
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anything like that. But the two
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you know, England, France and
whoever, they were just exhausted. I

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mean, millions of dead, you
know that blow the whistle, go over

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the top, living the trenches,
poison gas, airplanes, horror, just

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absolute horror. But there we were, with our fresh troops cleaning the forms.

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with which people were able to travel
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this was another factor, I think, right, absolutely, Yeah, absolutely,

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and that's that's also a factor in
militarism. You can get your army

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from point A to point B in
a hurry, and that that obviously has

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only increased since nineteen fourteen, right, I mean previous to that, you

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had I mean, you know,
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get to places. Years sometimes it
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place to another. Except and I
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it with some statistics which I always
enjoy. Except for the people who served

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in the military, and that could
be the soldiers in Europe, the American

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military such as it was from the
Civil War to World War One, the

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Zulus in the dark. Except for
people in the military, ninety percent of

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the citizenry never traveled more than twenty
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born. It wasn't something they had
no reason to do. So there was

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nothing twenty five miles away was the
backside of the moon to those people,

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except as they run the military of
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about eight places where they had been. How are you going to keep him

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down on the farm kind of deal? And there was a certain glory,

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one of a better you know,
maybe false glory, glory attached to military

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service, particularly if you were,
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But we came away from World War
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Wilson had something to do with it, had a lot to do with it,

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and it could have been we could
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nasty racism. Quick aside, but
we're not one of the guys that I'm

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most proud of, you know,
sharing the state of New Jersey with Woodrow

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Wilson. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not not particularly likable character. And

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in fact, up until recent years, I would say a lot of scholars

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would have argued might have been one
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the worst. And that's very telling, exactly, very telling. Exactly once

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he got back, once he got
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dough boys and all of that that
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You know, the Germans. The
German people gave up. They ran

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the Kaiser out of town, and
there was an armistice and the victorious powers

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translate an armistice into surrender, which
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eighteen, at eleven am in the
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conquered Russia, you know, post
Jarus Russia, and they were fighting in

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France. It wasn't like they were
surrounding Berlin to protect it. They were

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doing quite well, but they were
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hey, let's call it time out. Well, you asked for time out,

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you lose. And that gave rise
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of Europe through the thirties and certainly
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once again we said, we don't
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we knew for business reasons we had
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you know, we had to protect
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Germans overran Poland in the east and
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wondering what we can do. And
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finger nails because they survived Dunkirk,
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already signing on with what was called
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a bunch of stuff, and they
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but it was legal. We were
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want list from Europe to US a
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we want thirty thousand tons of aluminum
to build air planes. We want three

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hundred airplanes and five hundred tanks every
month delivered. And you know, we

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we gave away a ton of stuff. The craziest stuff we gave away was

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in a lot of the packs packages
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And the Russian soldiers loved that.
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it wasn't really necessary because must of
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another ugly story. They were,
they were, they a lot of them

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were shorter than the coats they were
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World War Two ended with US as
the superstars, with the asterisk, the

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asterisk being Hiroshia and Nagasaki. But
let's not talk too much about it or

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year next, and you know,
the un Truman talk tough. We didn't

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take any nonsense in Korea, and
we'd gone from an isolationist place totally in

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nineteen nineteen, been before two the
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nineteen fifties, nineteen sixties and today. And having said all of that,

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with JFK as president, you could
spin a globe. You on one of

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those little globe stands. You could
spin the globe. You hit your fingers

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someplace. Your finger is probably going
to land on a place that the Joint

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Chiefs of Staff wanted to do something
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interrupt you for a moment because there's
a question in my chat room, you

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know, from a live listener who
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to live on at Dunkirk. Good
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had a tremendous belief in the British
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rom for stability in the world.
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If he could have raised holy hell, the dolftwoffer and gotten Britain to

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surrender and come to terms wouldn't have
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just would have taken him out of
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know, Hitler and Stalin. And
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because Goring hold Hitler. Listen,
those guys are sitting on the ten

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and fifty thousand guys sitting on a
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Well, hold off. And it's
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and they got run out of town
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there for days. They left all
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the British Expeditionary Force and portions of
the French Army got away. They

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were hoping Churchill hoped to be able
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got almost ten times that many off
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boats, in cabin cruisers, in
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easily easily vulnerable to the to the
very well mechanized German army that should have

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been able to absolutely decimate that that
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around That's why they were stuck there. As the French believed in the maginal

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line until the Germans went around it. But as as I got to,

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you know, at some point in
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your go on the globe and the
Joint Chiefs had an interest in something in

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that neck of the woods. Call
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Berlin, others. It's funny,
these are almost I almost verbatim,

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almost verbatim what you just mentioned.
I mentioned just a little while ago when

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somebody asked me about this, where
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there was not a place on the
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somewhere where there was a conflict being
encouraged and an idea that we should

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be able to win, that we
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against the communists who are here there
everywhere, whether it was Laos,

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Vietnam, East and West Germany,
exactly the stuff that you mentioned. Let's

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invade Cuba, let's get them out
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I guarantee the replaces other than that
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that were considered as well, but
they didn't have the headlines. But each

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of those places is a radiator.
You know, Cuba is a threat,

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not per se, but to spread
the spread right Laos Vietnam. The Domino

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theory, as as stated in those
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Berlin Stalin communized Poland, Bulgaria,
Romania, Hungary, Austria to a point,

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and they got it. They got
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Estonia. So the Iron curtain,
and that phrase is attributed to both Girbels

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and Churchill, and Gurples was dead
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math. The iron curtain was.
It was there, but it was movable,

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and we had to stop stop communism
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is the context that the Kennedy presidency
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around them, right where people start
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like a war hawk kind of,
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It's just that that is the situation
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that we're at, right, we're
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this conflict with the Soviets, and
either it's going to be a hot thing,

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or it's going to be a cold
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a lukewarm thing one way or another. But we're constantly up against that and

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we don't want them to continue to
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uncommon to anybody at that time period, but this is where he comes in

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and proceeds. And there were there
were communist cells, yeah, everything.

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When when France was overrun by the
bear market, what survived with the communist

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cells. I mean they were as
close to being France as the free French

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word, and you know, you
had you had the whole McCarthyism in the

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US. Come on. I mean
not that we're not close to that today,

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but that's another story. You know. It was just in a sense,

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it was a horrible time. I
mean, lives were ruined because somebody

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said, hey, I think you're
a communist. And that's what Kennedy walked

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into. Yeah, and he knew
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his resistance though, because they kept
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they kept telling him, we need
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to get on that. And I
mean everything from let's deal with Cuba or

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let's get more intense about what we're
doing in Germany to you know, what

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we can win a you know,
a nuclear exchange. We can win in

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a nuclear change with the Soviet Union, don't dead, yes exactly, but

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we can win. And we need
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going to guard the future. I
mean, this was not you know it's

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it's it's Doctor Strangelove kind of,
but it's also not fiction. This is

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the reality. This is serious.
People thought said this, advised the president

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in this way, and we had
a president that was not on board with

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it, okay, and he you
know Kennedy. What Kennedy did when he

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made that speech in Berlin, you
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Berlin or that took took the air
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completely, and it was done verbally. You know, he had military guys

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standing there, but he stood in
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and there could have been twenty thousand
assassins targeting him, but they had to

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wait for Dallas in in Southeast Asia, when Kennedy was in the House of

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Representatives and he was considering running for
the Senate against Henry Cabot Lodge, whose

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family was intent entrenched in that Senate
seat for generations. He realized his knowledge

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of foreign policy was not up up
to what it should be to be in

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the Senate. And he and Bobby
and his sister, I believe it was

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Patricia took a tour of Southeast Asia
in nineteen fifty one, and he was

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sitting a top a hotel room,
sitting up on the roof of a hotel

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having dinner in Saigon, was someone
who had been one of his legislative aids

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or whatever, and was now a
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could hear the gunfire miles away,
right and the legislative aide and the name

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escapes me right now. But it's
not important as a name, said to

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Kennedy. Outsiders can't win this thing. If the people of Vietnam can't win

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it, no outsiders going to win
it. The French aren't going to win

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it, and We're not going to
win it. And you know, when

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you see Kennedy talking to Walter Cronkite, you know he says, in the

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final analysis, to their wary they
wanted. They got to do it themselves,

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right, did a tribute for people. By the way, you know

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Henry Cabot Lodge. Very interesting because
who is Nixon's running mate in the nineteen

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sixty election. Henry Cabot Lodge,
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And that's amazing after losing his Senate
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Oh I'm running against that kid,
that Kennedy kid. Come on, he

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was out running around in nineteen fifty
eight with all of the people that they

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wanted to get elected. And in
the eight yeah, in the keep reading

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in the keep reading section again for
the listener, I'm now going to bore

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Walt for a second. But you
know in the keep on reading section,

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who was the ambassador to Vietnam?
Who was who was the guy there?

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Oh? Is it the same guy? He was the guy that couldn't arrange

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for airplane transport for No Din ZM
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were assassinated ye three weeks before Kennedy. They knew they were in trouble.

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They begged to help lots us.
You know, we're not on any planes.

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We can't help you. I think
exactly twenty days before right. It

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was like November second, DM and
new second of somewhere right in there.

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I'm you know, it's not like
we were getting, you know, timely

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newspapers from Vietnam. But it was
right there. I think it was reported

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on that day. But if it
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it wouldn't be a surprise, is
what you're saying. And of course

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the other connection is who was the
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Oh, well, that would be
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in Dallas. I think Bill Greer. H yeah, but that's his name.

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To me, that's coincidence. Isn't
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I don't see anything. But the
generals wanted something done in Berlin, and

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the Russians sent out a battalion of
tanks, a tank battalion to what was

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by now the emerging the Wall,
and the American military planners wanted to send

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out bulldozers and knock go all over. Kennedy ships can't do it because the

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Russians have to save face. You
they they can't, you know, we

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can't attack them. So Kennedy ordered
an equal number of tanks to be sent

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to our side of the wall,
while Bobby went back channel with the Soviet

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ambassador who got to hold the crew
step right away and said, look,

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the tanks are facing each other.
Pull you as away, and he did.

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And that was the end of it. But the military that and that

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was not that all. Nah,
yeah, that was it had to be

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after sixty two comes the wall,
right, it was at all at far

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from Dallas. Now it's within it's
within eighteen months of Dallas, I'm certain.

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And here here's okay exactly so we
have some right we have We have

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another question from the chat room,
which I want to get to, but

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I want to say that right now. You guys have just listened to Walt

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explain effectively the first chunk of the
Kennedy execution pretty much in a different way

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than it's in the book. It's
not it's not like you just read from

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the book. But he explains a
lot of what is in the very opening

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uh sentiments, let's say, in
the Kennedy execution, which is what we're

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talking about tonight. And I just
want to make that clear and give you

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this question from the chat room because
it is it is interesting, and I

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might reword it a little bit.
Now you know, what the hell with

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it, I'm gonna read it.
Well, okay, so you know,

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pardon me for reading and takes me
a second. After the assassination, would

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it be accurate to say LBJ was
put in a position where he had to

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act against communism because the government concluded
that it was the communists that did it,

409
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:24.199
or like, in other words,
he had to act in Cuba,

410
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:30.719
Vietnam, or Germany somewhere to act
against the communists because communism certainly had something

411
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:34.519
to do with it. And now
I'm going to add to this. After

412
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:37.000
all, Lee Harvey Oswald was the
commy right, he was the Cuba supporter

413
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:42.519
that he's gotta we got to act
against these kind of people. Do you

414
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:46.119
think that LBJ was putting a position
of having to do something like that after

415
00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:54.960
the assassination? He put himself in
that position in the in the times when

416
00:37:55.000 --> 00:38:00.320
there were political crises, and particularly
during the time that the Cuban missile crisis.

417
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:09.840
When they met as x come,
Johnson didn't say pete and that there

418
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:15.119
sorry, that would be the executive
when Kennedy was not in the room,

419
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:20.719
Johnson became a hawk, virtually saying
to virtually tell them that joint chiefs,

420
00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:23.480
Hey, if it was me,
and this would be different. And the

421
00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:30.559
three choices who gave Berlin, Cuba
and Vietnam. Vietnam was easy, that

422
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:37.440
wasn't Russia, and it was a
guerrilla situation. Berlin was US and the

423
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:43.760
Russians period determined people had nothing to
do with it. And Cuba was Russia

424
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:50.800
in South America because guaranteed reaction would
have had to occur from the Soviet Union

425
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:57.320
based on the agreements. They had
their submarines chasing on navy as we were

426
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:01.480
watching the missiles being withdrawn, and
we finally sent in submarines to say,

427
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:07.960
hey, our submarines are covered in
your submarines. But yeah, Johnson had

428
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:09.519
to do something, and what he
did was Vietnam. There you go.

429
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:14.119
So you're saying that would be accurate
to say then that there needed to be

430
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:19.239
a reaction against the communist world,
so to speak, because but at the

431
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:27.440
same time, if you follow take
any six major newspapers in the United States

432
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:34.119
in ninth in November of sixty three, Oswald starts out a lot more communist

433
00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:38.199
than he winds up a week later, when the Lawn Commission is appointed.

434
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:45.239
He starts out as a Castro read
and then Redman and they back off.

435
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:50.360
He's celeftist. You know. He
handed out stuff, you know, meaningless

436
00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:52.639
stuff. He paid a kid two
bucks to hand stuff out. The kid

437
00:39:52.679 --> 00:40:00.360
didn't even know what he was handing
out. Charlie Steele, the fear was,

438
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:05.679
Look, we can make him as
communist as you want, because Oswald

439
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:12.840
was a man for all seasons.
If Chris Tip had been killed in the

440
00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:15.800
backseat of a limousine on November twenty
second, nineteen sixty three, going through

441
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:21.480
Minsk, Oswald would have been the
target. Hey, look at this guy.

442
00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:24.679
He was a US Marine sharpshooter who
defected to get here. Come on,

443
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:29.000
that's all the resume you need.
Yeah, as it doesn't ransomaze,

444
00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:32.800
that's it. And the nice thing
of which has been widely developed by his

445
00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:39.719
firstwhile lover right, and the interesting, the interesting, wonderful thing here is

446
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:45.280
that look, you got him on
tape saying no, I'm not a communist,

447
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:51.800
I'm a Marxist Leninist. And that
tape circulated really fast. Actually the

448
00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:54.480
weekend of the assassination. It was
heard on radio stations. And I've done

449
00:40:54.480 --> 00:41:00.679
an analysis on this. The speed
at which that was distributed is amazing.

450
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:07.920
Considering the technology of the time,
it is virtually impossible in my mind for

451
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:15.239
them to have distributed that that as
quickly as they did unless somebody knew that

452
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:17.599
they were going to have to literally
ship tapes to certain places because there were

453
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:22.400
some places they were not going to
be able to communicate audio. Okay,

454
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:27.480
you'd literally have to mail them something
that they could then put into their machines

455
00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:35.719
physically, and it played on some
of those types of well broadcast platforms that

456
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:39.679
government jets making deliveries. Well,
you know, I would bet that I

457
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:45.360
don't have verifiable information about that,
but it seems to me as though between

458
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:49.199
the Post Office and the military,
they had the best network to be able

459
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:52.320
to get it done quickly. Uh
in the country at the time. Anyway,

460
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:58.559
I'm just saying focus well a lot, a lot better than it runs

461
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:00.440
today. Despite the fact that I
did see Walt's books. By the way,

462
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:04.920
for Dallas, I have the Judith
Berry Baker books in hand, guys,

463
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:07.960
so I'm gonna have those in Dallas, and they came today, just

464
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:13.320
so you guys know, on Monday. Sorry, Walt, I derailed you

465
00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:15.639
for a moment, but I wanted
to get that question across and let you

466
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:20.760
continue, because you've adequately described the
beginning of the Kennedy execution. But let's

467
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:25.320
get into the rest of it,
because this again is your post chronology,

468
00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:30.119
and the chronology, by the way, would have featured facts exactly like the

469
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:35.360
Henry Cabot Lodge connection and who was
driving the car in Dallas and all that.

470
00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:38.760
You could easily find that, track
that and index that through the chronology

471
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:42.920
if you wanted to, along with
a lot of other stuff. Okay,

472
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:46.199
related to mister Greer, et cetera. Just saying, well, eventually,

473
00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:52.840
you know, when Kennedy walked out
on some of the meetings, so they

474
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:55.480
were talking, you know, saying, look, we can you know we

475
00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:59.880
can. If we can stand thirty
million dead, you know we can do

476
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:09.400
this thing. And you know he
supposedly said that they call themselves human when

477
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:17.559
he like castor off the hook without
bombing them, missiles, doing both kinds

478
00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:27.119
of unimaginable things to Cuba, which, as we looked back sixty years later,

479
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:32.440
is a meaning was a little block
in the Caribbean. Once he did

480
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:43.159
did nothing there he was he was
a target. The question it becomes where,

481
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:46.559
you know, where is it going
to be the best target, and

482
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:59.639
ultimately it comes down to Dallas.
There are too many things that happened in

483
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:07.400
overlaps to the main event. I
actually along those lines, I have another

484
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:13.360
live question which is said to me
via Skype if you don't mind, and

485
00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:20.840
it is about precisely this, the
events preceding Dallas and the location. Uh.

486
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:24.639
They want to know if you have
any thoughts on the possible plots which

487
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:30.039
might have emerged in Chicago, Los
Angeles I bring up, and this person

488
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:36.079
mentions Los Angeles second, and then
also in Florida previous to the trip to

489
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:40.039
Dallas. What are your thoughts on
those? Yes, well, certainly,

490
00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:49.679
certainly there's there's smoke with respect to
the Chicago events. Yes, And if

491
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:53.880
memory served, and I'm not going
to depend once, but that was very

492
00:44:53.880 --> 00:45:00.480
reasonably close in time to Dallas.
I think Angelis was in the summer of

493
00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:09.199
sixty three, and you don't have
the political climate in La God knows what

494
00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:13.239
you got there, but you don't
have the political climate there that you have

495
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:23.320
in Dallas. That the critical thing
about Dallas, and possibly you know in

496
00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:31.039
Tampa the week before they knew something
was going on, they knew there was

497
00:45:31.280 --> 00:45:35.880
they knew there was you know,
the secret Service, the people that needed

498
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:40.159
to know that there was danger knew
there was dangerous. But Dallas lost the

499
00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:45.400
hate capitalty in that state. Well, and even with the you don't have

500
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:50.199
to blame any specific individual. Dallas
did it right. There's a book with

501
00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:52.400
that title. That's true. And
the thing is about Chicago. You have

502
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:59.000
an intensely industrial area there. There
is uh not not the same kind of

503
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:02.400
politics you got into Alice, but
you have an intensity there where there's an

504
00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:07.320
automatic cover. In Florida, you
have the close proximity to the Cubans and

505
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:10.719
a whole lot of this other stuff
because there's a great deal of Cuban immigrates

506
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:21.239
there of all types, and everybody
is the headquarters of our overseas Bass Air

507
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:25.280
Force Base, right, was that
it was the headquarters of I think they

508
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:30.760
called a shafe then, but it
was. It was the centerpiece of everything.

509
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:37.360
And I lived nineteen sixty. I
lived on an island about sixteen miles

510
00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:42.159
from Attill Air Force Base, and
every night at six o'clock, four bombers

511
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:49.920
went over my house headed for Cuba, armed and the place just shook,

512
00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:53.320
and it was it was you know, hey, that's the cold warrior hearing.

513
00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:59.719
But so you had possibilities. Yeah, but the great, the great

514
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:04.559
contrast you talk about with La though, that's a totally different animal because you

515
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:09.480
don't have the intensity of the populace
like you have in these other three locations.

516
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:14.000
But again you see the reaction of
the Secret Service. They changed the

517
00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:20.239
motorcade route in Miami. Right,
they canceled the trip to Chicago, Las

518
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:23.559
a little more nebulous, like it's
there, there's more things going on there.

519
00:47:23.599 --> 00:47:28.039
We're not. We don't have a
clear indication of Secret Service reaction,

520
00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:35.440
but the concern about Texas was clear
and present in any case, you know,

521
00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:37.920
no matter what you want to ascribe
to it, with the Secret Service

522
00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:40.440
reaction. Right, So this would
be a way to put those events in

523
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:45.000
context with this. But it makes
the most sense for the event to actually

524
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:52.000
happen in Dallas. Right. Well, I used to well, I was

525
00:47:52.039 --> 00:48:00.440
involved with COPA many you know,
thirty years ago we had a recording secretary

526
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:07.159
of sources. His name was John
Judge, and I can still hear him

527
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:13.920
saying, and he said it several
times. The American government had an Oswald

528
00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:16.639
in every major city that they could
just reach out to and get things done,

529
00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:22.119
and not by name Oswald, but
you know Thomas Valley whoever. And

530
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:24.760
I just looked at him and I
said, how many major cities out there

531
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:29.639
in the United States? Well,
I didn't know. I said, we're

532
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:36.800
talking five fifteen, and we're talking
one or two in every state or in

533
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:40.079
the bigger states. So answer,
but doesn't Oswald everywhere? So a ton,

534
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:47.159
they don't need thirty Oswalds. They
don't need need one. And the

535
00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:54.559
one that we had was in Dallas
Hate Capitol at the World And I encourage

536
00:48:54.559 --> 00:49:00.280
anybody listening to get a copy of
the speech that Kennedy was going to deliver

537
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:07.280
at the Trademark. It would be
entitled in your Face. I mean,

538
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:13.280
it just called out Texas for what
it was. And you're talking about the

539
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:15.880
Trademark that we see footage of today
where they were waiting for his arrival.

540
00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:22.480
It was the endpoint of the trip
through Daley Plaza from love Field and he

541
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:25.639
didn't make it there, but that
was going to speak it to Trademark and

542
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:30.280
the speech he was gonna get,
which is somewhere in the chronology. But

543
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:34.760
yeah, there's one section in the
chronology is famous speeches of Kennedy's famous speeches,

544
00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:37.039
and it's in there, but it's
in your face. I mean,

545
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:44.960
it's it just there's no olive branch
in it at all. And and you

546
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:51.519
know his vice president is from Texas
and the future president was from Texas,

547
00:49:52.199 --> 00:50:00.199
you know, which, of course
that helps everything. It's if you turn

548
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:05.840
it around. If LBJ had been
president and JFK was vice president and Johnson

549
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:10.719
had been killed in Boston, Kennedy
would have turned the United States upside down

550
00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:16.559
and inside out to get to the
bottom of what happened. Johnson didn't right

551
00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:20.719
the hand. But at the Hoover, sit here, do what you want

552
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:24.280
to do. Wow, I've seen
the rifle and you know, you know,

553
00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:28.840
you know, I've looked down the
scope of Gosh, I could shoot

554
00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:30.280
myself in the foot with that thing. It's so good. Yeah, well,

555
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:35.639
a piece of garbage. But that's
neither here nor there. Well were

556
00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:37.880
gathering, Yeah, just really quickly
in that speech, after he gives this

557
00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:42.079
you know, hello, I'm glad
to be here kind of thing. I

558
00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:45.039
like this one of the opening lines, which I'm sure you'll recall as I

559
00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:51.239
read it. It is fitting that
these two symbols of Dallas progress are united

560
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:55.199
in the sponsorship of this meeting,
for they represent the best qualities I am

561
00:50:55.199 --> 00:51:02.679
told of leadership and learning in this
city. Okay, and uh are let's

562
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:07.280
see, let's let's read on a
little bit here, uh from M I

563
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:09.639
T to cal Tech? You know, I mean, it's just yeah,

564
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:13.960
this is definitely a speech with attitude. By the way, I'm gonna give

565
00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:16.159
you guys a link, a public
link to this. Of course, I

566
00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:20.719
obviously would love for you to read
it in Walt's chronology, but I think

567
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:24.239
this is relevant and it is publicly
available from the Kennedy Library online, just

568
00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:29.800
so you know. Nowadays, at
the time won't released it. I don't

569
00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:31.960
even think they had this stuff up, to be honest with you, which

570
00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:37.360
is weird. And it is a
fairly interesting and intense speech that I think

571
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:44.360
you'll agree with Walt's characterization of it. I'll also put it into researcher friendly.

572
00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:51.599
Not usually they didn't do that,
right. I actually the Johnson libraries

573
00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:55.280
a little more friendly to you when
you're trying to know, so I think

574
00:51:55.280 --> 00:52:00.760
they are. No, not my
experience. For a long time, the

575
00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:09.079
gatekeeper was a guy named Walt Rosto, who was one of Johnson's staff flunkeys

576
00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:19.159
in the White House, and I
know Jay Harrison requested files that were theoretically

577
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:25.079
available and got told you're not getting
them. So I know, I know

578
00:52:25.400 --> 00:52:30.280
his experience, and that's that's basically
the totality of what I'm working from it

579
00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:36.480
in terms of johnson lives. And
of course the Johnson Library as crooked as

580
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:39.800
a day as long. It's part
of the National Archives. So LB J

581
00:52:40.199 --> 00:52:45.840
and family did not put out sent
one to build it, you know,

582
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:49.880
not at all a lot of these
other people that want to have the you

583
00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:53.239
know, Harry Schmidlapp Library, they
got to pay for it. Not I'll

584
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:59.440
be J and LB. Jay never
paid out of his pocket. The people

585
00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:02.440
around him were always working. They
they had jobs in the post office.

586
00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:09.199
He had Jack Valenti doing god knows
everything well. He was headed at Motion

587
00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:15.360
Picture Association, a job that Johnson
had offered to haul people sawns. And

588
00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:22.360
look at him and I don't know
what I know about the movies come on,

589
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:25.199
but he will have paid twenty one
thousand gets his cabinet job didn't pay

590
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:31.159
him, but his speechwriting Jube didn't
pay that much. But Johnson's in Texas

591
00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:38.840
that's that's a gold mine right there, right because he wasn't all that tremendously

592
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:45.760
popular in Texas, and this was
his chance to increase his popularity play the

593
00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:53.639
game. The Secret Service was exhausted
after the Florida trip, which was the

594
00:53:53.679 --> 00:54:00.239
weekend before the assassination. I mean
they were, they were all were to

595
00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:05.840
place and as a result, you
know, you've got people in the Dallas

596
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:15.000
motorcade and of the three teams that
were on site on November twenty second,

597
00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:25.800
the motorcade group was the weakest.
Once you get past Kellerman and Greer,

598
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:31.400
I mean in the car behind him, they got Jackie's two agents. They

599
00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:38.000
got one guy on loan from the
West Coast. The guy behind hill Ready

600
00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:42.119
was a full time agent. The
guy's the guy up on the seat,

601
00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:51.840
George Hickey was a driver agent who
was not, you know, a gun

602
00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:55.199
total Secret Service agent. He was
a driver. The guy to his right

603
00:54:57.039 --> 00:55:00.119
was worked in the protective research section. He was you know, he filed

604
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:04.599
the index cards. I'm sure when
they tell him he was going to Dallas,

605
00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:09.960
he had to go looking for his
gun. The other groups had stronger

606
00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:21.400
contingents, with with the Ark Godfrey
and the guy that wrote the book and

607
00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:25.920
then quit. Not Minders, the
guy that quit. They wrote a book

608
00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:31.800
ten twelve years ago so which was
a nonsense book. But he you know,

609
00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:38.639
he was there. He was in
Austin the week before the assassinate.

610
00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:45.400
It's a Tuesday before the assassination.
Ruth Payne gets a phone call from someone

611
00:55:45.480 --> 00:55:51.880
named J. D. Wilmos,
who was a professor of Russian at the

612
00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:59.199
University of Texas, and he says, listen, I'd really like to hear

613
00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:01.920
I have to have a talk with
because you and Marina, because you know,

614
00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:05.719
I love you know, I love
Russian, I teach Russian. I'd

615
00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:10.119
like to hear somebody from the Archangel
oblast to hear, you know, the

616
00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:16.559
nuances in their speech. So he
shows up on Tuesday in nineteenth Ruth paintiles.

617
00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:24.800
The guy's a master spy. He
was serving in the United States legation

618
00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:35.360
in Moscow in nineteen forty four,
nineteen years before tonight's event. Gerald Blaine,

619
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:42.079
in two days of working in Moscow, he could have heard every accent

620
00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:45.360
imaginable. He didn't need to listen
to Marina to know what somebody from Archangel

621
00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:52.880
sounded like. That was a ruse, and his job was real simple,

622
00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:59.199
Marina Ruth, here's the deal.
The world is going to fall on Lee

623
00:56:59.239 --> 00:57:02.920
Oswald's older real soon. You can
get on the bus or you can be

624
00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:10.079
sewn under it with him. Period. That was the conversation once the HOWD

625
00:57:10.079 --> 00:57:19.760
he does were over. Favorite Payne
has spent spent I think she stole alive,

626
00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:22.920
but she spent the last sixty years
trying not to let people know who

627
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:30.000
she is and what you do.
You know her sister and her brother in

628
00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:37.760
law work in Langley, that's no
secret. She's living in a cracker box

629
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:40.840
and her husband is separated from Merne. He's working I think for Bell Helicopter,

630
00:57:40.920 --> 00:57:45.639
and the whole thing is I like
how I like how CBS Television describes

631
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:51.280
her as the Oswald's best friend.
On that first broadcast when they did this

632
00:57:51.480 --> 00:58:00.840
special, the Oswald's best friend asked
Marina about the friendship sometimes, Uh,

633
00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:08.159
it was. It was a horror
the Motorcade itself. Again, there's weaknesses.

634
00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:14.559
I mentioned on the last time we
talked that there was a listing of

635
00:58:14.800 --> 00:58:22.760
who the officers were that were Motorcade
related from the airport, but the trademark

636
00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:28.360
there's no listing available from the trademark
back for the airport something. I don't

637
00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:31.519
know what that means. I don't
know what that means. Well, traffic

638
00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:42.960
itself, the traffic itself was or
the security was strictly traffic cops. There

639
00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:49.239
weren't any detectives on the street.
Uh you know, there weren't any people

640
00:58:49.320 --> 00:58:55.880
running around looking trope and windows or
anything sticking out traffic cops. And if

641
00:58:55.920 --> 00:59:00.880
you had such and such corner to
cut the traffic so the motorcaid could go

642
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:05.440
by. As soon as they went
by at twenty miles an hour, you

643
00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:08.639
got on your motorcycle and on forty
miles an hour about four miles ahead and

644
00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:15.320
cut some more traffic because they had
just enough guys. And the first car

645
00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:19.800
in the motor kaid was driven by
the head of the traffic bureau for due

646
00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:31.400
larrence. The second car had two
detectives and it was the driver was the

647
00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:39.559
Dallas Police lieutenant who was the head
of the US Army reserves in that region.

648
00:59:42.199 --> 00:59:45.800
So when when when you hear Kevin
Costner, your own, you know,

649
00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:51.199
the the army which is always there, was told to stand down.

650
00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:57.199
The army was there, they just
didn't didn't do any enforcements. Lumpkin,

651
00:59:57.760 --> 01:00:05.920
that's the name Lumpkin Tenant. I
think it's George Lumpin next to him as

652
01:00:05.960 --> 01:00:08.880
a man with several names, some
people call him George Whittmeier. Other people's

653
01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:15.000
say his name is Albert Weidemeyer w
e ede Meyer. And he has a

654
01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:19.719
curious background because one, what's he
doing there too? Who is he?

655
01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:27.480
And three he was really close friends
and worked side by side with Curtis Lama

656
01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:34.159
in the bombing of Japan in the
nineteen forties, So cleary, he's interested

657
01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:38.000
in what the what the US military
can do, which by the way,

658
01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:43.920
was more deadly and destructive than even
the use of the nuclear weapon in the

659
01:00:43.960 --> 01:00:50.400
immediate use of the fire bombing in
Japan. Oh brutal. Yeah, it

660
01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:55.440
was absolutely brutal. You know,
sixteen square miles went last night because Japan

661
01:00:55.519 --> 01:01:02.400
the houses are made of good and
paper. Uh, you know, it

662
01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:08.239
was it was. It was a
follow up to Dresden in Germany. And

663
01:01:08.320 --> 01:01:12.039
at least we had a sense of
humor with that event because we did it

664
01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:17.559
on ash Wednesday. Well look,
I you know what, we have gone

665
01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:23.320
slightly over an hour here and again
this is about what's in the Kennedy Execution.

666
01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:28.559
And it's really fascinating Wall because you've
kind of told us a bunch about

667
01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:30.519
things that are not in the book
and a few things that are in the

668
01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:36.559
book. And I love this because
this is the somebody just wanted you to

669
01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:39.559
finally put a cap on it.
And I don't want you to tell people

670
01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:45.159
exactly how this concludes, but maybe
give him an idea and tell him,

671
01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:46.760
uh, you know, look,
I'm gonna give I'm just gonna put Walt's

672
01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:51.719
email address out there and you can
get in contact with him and get a

673
01:01:51.760 --> 01:01:55.280
hold of a copy of the Kennedy
Execution, a copy of the Judith Verry

674
01:01:55.320 --> 01:02:01.000
Baker, in her own words in
Chronology, if you were one of the

675
01:02:01.119 --> 01:02:09.480
eighteen surviving copies of Warren omission the
others I don't have. I have one

676
01:02:09.519 --> 01:02:14.239
of those behind me here on the
book show. I don't have. I

677
01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:19.519
have one copy of People Vague.
But John Adams book was the first one

678
01:02:19.559 --> 01:02:25.400
I ever did. That was my
doctoral dissertation and it got published by luck

679
01:02:27.400 --> 01:02:31.840
U. Yeah. From from the
time, well, when Lumpkin and Wadamier

680
01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:40.760
get to the corner Houston and Elm, they had to stop because of the

681
01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:47.440
epileptic situation that had happened there.
That gives them an opportunity to look over

682
01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:53.320
and take check out a man named
James Powell, who was a military US

683
01:02:53.440 --> 01:03:01.119
military intelligence agent whose job was there
wasn't military intelligence all the way along in

684
01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:06.719
the total presence was across the street
from the depository. They wanted to make

685
01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:09.880
very short that Lee Oswald was not
out on the street walking around when the

686
01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:14.840
shots were fired. So Powell's job
keep him in the building, make sure

687
01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:20.159
he stays in there. And then
he goes running into the building and nobody

688
01:03:20.159 --> 01:03:22.559
would have known who he was except
he told him. He said, look,

689
01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:23.400
you know so, and so I
got to get out of here,

690
01:03:23.400 --> 01:03:30.039
and he showed his credentials. But
the reason that second car stopped us to

691
01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:35.480
make sure that Oswald's in the building. The car turned the corner and the

692
01:03:35.519 --> 01:03:40.800
rest is history. And you know
the stories about Curtis wal May being at

693
01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:45.920
the autopsy. I can't prove he
wasn't. I can't prove he wasn't,

694
01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:51.400
But there was talk about a general
in Curtis. You know, it's not

695
01:03:51.519 --> 01:03:54.239
the rarest of names, but it's
not Smiths of Jones or Brown either.

696
01:03:57.239 --> 01:04:09.000
But regardless Curtis Lamy should have been
six hundred feet underground Omaha, Nebraska,

697
01:04:09.320 --> 01:04:13.960
at the head of a strategic air
command, because that was his job.

698
01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:21.440
And he wasn't that, you know, because who knew for certain except the

699
01:04:21.480 --> 01:04:27.719
guys that write the stories. Who
knew for certain at six o'clock PM that

700
01:04:27.920 --> 01:04:32.440
it was totally a domestic event.
Only the people that made it a domestic

701
01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:39.480
event. And there's dismore in the
Kennedy execution. It was, you know,

702
01:04:40.360 --> 01:04:46.199
the history to get you from ten
thousand BC in nineteen eighteen. It's

703
01:04:46.239 --> 01:04:51.360
a little dry, but it's informative
as hell, right. And then,

704
01:04:51.480 --> 01:04:57.519
as you might remember, the chapters
are the view from Havannah, the view

705
01:04:57.599 --> 01:05:01.519
from Deely Plaza, the view from
the White House. You know, each

706
01:05:01.519 --> 01:05:10.039
one of those places comes together in
Texas and the rest. We'll have a

707
01:05:10.119 --> 01:05:14.639
sixty and anniversary next month. It's
it's unbelievable at sixty years, right,

708
01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:21.760
So please your listeners get a hold
of me. I'm not going to break

709
01:05:21.800 --> 01:05:28.880
anybody's bank, including my own,
but I'm glad to help if i can,

710
01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:34.639
and and Chuck has my email,
we'll do what we can do.

711
01:05:35.159 --> 01:05:38.960
Right, I'm gonna put it in
the show notes. Ok. The Uh

712
01:05:39.400 --> 01:05:42.599
it's k I. As you know, I don't have it in front of

713
01:05:42.599 --> 01:05:46.639
me. I should have a JFK
JFK right, K I A s JFK

714
01:05:47.239 --> 01:05:55.119
at aol dot com. There it
is k I A s JFK at aol

715
01:05:55.320 --> 01:05:57.719
dot com and it'll be in the
show notes. You'll be able to click

716
01:05:57.760 --> 01:06:01.320
on it and go and email them
directly. He's got the chronology, like

717
01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:05.559
you said, he's got Kennedy Execution. You can get from him the Judith

718
01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:09.480
Verry Baker book. If you don't
get one from me in Dallas next month,

719
01:06:09.920 --> 01:06:12.039
you can easily get one from Walton. By the way, I have

720
01:06:12.119 --> 01:06:15.760
them signed here, they are signed. Uh, but you can get him

721
01:06:17.159 --> 01:06:21.440
her no bye bye by you exactly, although you know I am actually thinking

722
01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:24.760
I'm trying to approach her and seeing
if I can get her to sign one,

723
01:06:25.719 --> 01:06:27.880
in which case I will mail it
back to you. I love,

724
01:06:28.679 --> 01:06:32.599
I will mail that back. You've
got a copy of Posner's book. Yeah,

725
01:06:32.639 --> 01:06:40.000
it's Posner's book about Martin Luther King
God, and it's signed by Posner

726
01:06:40.719 --> 01:06:48.480
and James R. Alay's brother.
Really, Uh, you have I have

727
01:06:48.599 --> 01:06:53.519
with James R. Already book signed
it's been sitting here forever. Well that's

728
01:06:53.559 --> 01:06:57.000
a great one. Uh that that
that's that's collector's item right there. But

729
01:06:57.039 --> 01:07:00.559
I'll tell you I I my only
question about that other book is did he

730
01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:02.239
actually write it or anything? Oops? Did I say that out loud?

731
01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:08.320
You know, because some people played
out. I don't know if he did,

732
01:07:08.320 --> 01:07:14.119
because he was busy spending time with
Nassenko. Yes, my reservation was

733
01:07:14.199 --> 01:07:17.079
canceled. Yeah. Well, you
know, I look at the guy.

734
01:07:17.199 --> 01:07:21.599
The guy really quickly was able to
go from what Wall Street lawyer to having

735
01:07:21.639 --> 01:07:25.920
all that research done on the Kennedy
assassination. I mean in what six months?

736
01:07:26.199 --> 01:07:29.039
I mean, that's a hell of
thing, you know. And he

737
01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:35.679
became a presidential historian? Did he? When I've seen him on TV down

738
01:07:35.679 --> 01:07:41.000
below? It's a presidential historian.
I got a PhD in US history.

739
01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:45.360
I've written a book about a US
president alive, and I'm a conspiracy farrist.

740
01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:53.400
I'm sorry why I have to I
have to laugh exactly do the math?

741
01:07:54.079 --> 01:07:57.119
Uh so again? Wal Brown?
Uh? You know Wal Brown,

742
01:07:57.159 --> 01:08:00.840
PhD? Doctor Brown? I called
you doctor Brown in the post out there

743
01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:03.360
by the way, just to just
to confuse people and give him something like

744
01:08:03.400 --> 01:08:08.480
what is you talking about? Uh? And but believe me, the show

745
01:08:08.519 --> 01:08:12.039
notes will will reflect. You can
get in touch with them. The chronology.

746
01:08:12.079 --> 01:08:15.840
I recommend the Kenny actually, all
of Walt's writing on the Kennedy assassination

747
01:08:15.880 --> 01:08:18.560
I can recommend. I also dig
the John Adams book for Short. I

748
01:08:18.560 --> 01:08:23.760
didn't I forgot that that was,
but you reminded me that was your doctoral

749
01:08:23.800 --> 01:08:26.720
thesis. But if you guys can
get a hold of that, get it.

750
01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:30.079
You don't have any copies of the
people be Oswald that are available,

751
01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:32.960
but you still have the quiz books, which are cheap. By the way,

752
01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:36.479
the little quiz books are cheap.
I know that. Yeah, they

753
01:08:36.520 --> 01:08:43.119
cost as much as a postage.
There you go, and you know,

754
01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:45.119
maybe if you get a couple of
things from walk get a little package together,

755
01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:48.560
I'm sure Walter'll hook you up,
you know what I mean. And

756
01:08:48.920 --> 01:08:53.319
definitely worth it. I advise it. And again I don't put everything on

757
01:08:53.359 --> 01:08:56.159
my shelf. You guys know this. I mean, even people that send

758
01:08:56.199 --> 01:08:59.479
me free books and nice packages and
all that. I don't bring everybody,

759
01:08:59.520 --> 01:09:02.760
even on the show, because some
people are wasting my time. There's no

760
01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:08.039
wasting your time. Whether you're going
through thirty thousand pages, or you're looking

761
01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:12.319
at this very short book on Judy
or it's you know, three hundred and

762
01:09:12.359 --> 01:09:15.600
forty or whatever pages of the Kennedy
Execution. I think it's around three forty

763
01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:19.960
something like that. Two fifty four
now, oh, two fifty four now,

764
01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:23.920
okay, yeah, you must have
made it larger. Spiral bounds.

765
01:09:24.359 --> 01:09:27.800
Oh right, I have the one
that is black. It's got a plane

766
01:09:27.800 --> 01:09:31.640
cover, and uh, you know, but you actually are have some spiral

767
01:09:31.640 --> 01:09:34.880
bound ones which are a little bit
different dimensions. That one you have is

768
01:09:34.920 --> 01:09:40.159
out of print, that's sold out, okay, okay. And I know

769
01:09:40.199 --> 01:09:43.359
the Judith Verry Baker book which has
that you know, thought bubble on it.

770
01:09:43.399 --> 01:09:45.720
I love that, by the way, uh that I had about twenty

771
01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:50.319
of them left. Well, I'm
going to bring about a dozen of these

772
01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:55.279
the Dallas guys just say, you
know, so you know, I'm gonna

773
01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:58.920
offer him out there. Maybe some
will be prizes, maybe some will be

774
01:09:58.960 --> 01:10:01.600
sold, but I will definitely have
him available and again minor signed and you

775
01:10:01.640 --> 01:10:05.960
can get stuff signed from Wall too. Again. His email addresses KI A

776
01:10:06.039 --> 01:10:12.119
S JFK, which he told you
on previous shows with that stands for at

777
01:10:12.119 --> 01:10:16.000
aol dot com. So k I
a s JFK at aol dot com.

778
01:10:16.119 --> 01:10:19.399
That might sound familiar to you guys
for the little audio commercial I run too,

779
01:10:20.239 --> 01:10:24.800
h So there you go, and
in fact, I'm gonna run it

780
01:10:24.840 --> 01:10:27.840
at the end of this podcast.
Well, and again, I really appreciate

781
01:10:27.920 --> 01:10:32.079
you taking more than an hour with
me tonight. I would love to read

782
01:10:32.279 --> 01:10:39.000
the chronology you have on World War
Two in the Eastern Front and get into

783
01:10:39.039 --> 01:10:42.880
the file if you could give me
some of that so I could at least

784
01:10:42.880 --> 01:10:45.359
familiarize myself with your work on I'll
get to the file. I'll send it

785
01:10:45.359 --> 01:10:49.319
at the file. Be more than
glad to talk about that. I'm always

786
01:10:49.359 --> 01:10:54.359
willing to talk about you know,
jfk uh stuff as well, and especially

787
01:10:54.439 --> 01:10:58.000
with the sixtieth anniversary coming. And
if you guys want, if you guys

788
01:10:58.039 --> 01:11:01.159
have a good productive reason, tell
me that you want walk back on and

789
01:11:01.319 --> 01:11:05.279
I will gladly try and squeeze him
in again before I go to Dallas and

790
01:11:05.520 --> 01:11:10.479
see if he's got time available and
we could talk about the chronology or the

791
01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:15.000
Kennedy execution or the Judy book or
any of that stuff. Or if you

792
01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:17.920
guys have a whole slew of questions
which I have a feeling you might give

793
01:11:17.960 --> 01:11:21.279
them to me, and I'll conduct
a podcast with Walt based on that.

794
01:11:21.359 --> 01:11:26.479
We'll just ask your questions. And
I say again that, look, he's

795
01:11:26.520 --> 01:11:30.199
a diverse individual, for sure,
but I consider him to be one of

796
01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:36.199
the experts. I found it remarkable
the one time you were talking about Josiah

797
01:11:36.199 --> 01:11:42.960
Thompson during one of those get togethers
at your house, and you said to

798
01:11:43.000 --> 01:11:46.000
me, because I was sitting there, and I was kind of, I'm

799
01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:49.439
not very impressed by a lot of
these guys who are allegedly experts and a

800
01:11:49.479 --> 01:11:54.119
lot of the authors, because I
find out in ten minutes that they usually

801
01:11:54.680 --> 01:11:56.800
some of them don't even know what's
in their own damn books. Walt,

802
01:11:56.840 --> 01:12:01.840
Let's be honest, Okay. So
I gotta tell you I would sit down

803
01:12:01.880 --> 01:12:06.000
with Walt though, and you know, the guy's knowledge was immense on the

804
01:12:06.039 --> 01:12:09.640
case, and it wasn't the only
thing he knew. He didn't devote his

805
01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:13.840
entire life to it because he had
other life besides the you know, seven

806
01:12:13.880 --> 01:12:17.520
years he spent writing the chronology.
But the thing is, he said to

807
01:12:17.520 --> 01:12:20.680
me, you know it was great
when uh, you know, Tink Thompson.

808
01:12:20.800 --> 01:12:23.840
Some people call him tink. I
don't know him that, you know.

809
01:12:23.880 --> 01:12:26.760
I mean, I've encountered him before, but I don't know him.

810
01:12:26.840 --> 01:12:30.359
Josiah Thompson. Guy wrote six seconds
in Dallas, and guy I wrote last

811
01:12:30.359 --> 01:12:34.079
second in Dallas, right. Uh, he says, well, before last

812
01:12:34.079 --> 01:12:39.840
second in Dallas was a thing.
Uh. He asked Walt a question about

813
01:12:39.880 --> 01:12:43.119
something, and what was like,
this is like, uh, I forget

814
01:12:43.439 --> 01:12:47.760
exactly which baseball player you said,
but it was like something like this.

815
01:12:48.760 --> 01:12:56.199
It's it's almost like Johnny Bench just
asked me for a batting tip. Derek

816
01:12:56.279 --> 01:13:00.279
Jeter, Okay, well, I
used Johnny Bench wouldn't have been bad me

817
01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:03.760
on the phone and he was going
to be debating somebody and the question about

818
01:13:03.800 --> 01:13:09.439
something. I said, oh,
well, look here's the answer. WI.

819
01:13:09.520 --> 01:13:12.279
You'll find the answer. You make
out of what you will. And

820
01:13:12.399 --> 01:13:15.239
we went back and plus you know, how how do you do all of

821
01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:17.760
that? When I up the phone, I said, Jesus derec teed to

822
01:13:17.880 --> 01:13:20.640
just called me for batting tips.
That's what it was, That's what it

823
01:13:20.720 --> 01:13:28.920
felt like. And that's no disrespect, meant to think, because he's been

824
01:13:28.960 --> 01:13:32.800
at this a long time and he's
done good work. No. But the

825
01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:36.960
reason why I bring it up is
because you asked my opinion about something,

826
01:13:38.319 --> 01:13:42.920
uh during one of these get togethers, and the room full of people kind

827
01:13:42.920 --> 01:13:45.479
of snapped their heads at me,
like, WHOA, why do we need

828
01:13:45.520 --> 01:13:49.039
to get his opinion. I felt
for a moment there like I had my

829
01:13:49.159 --> 01:13:53.079
Derek Jeter just asked me for a
batting hit moment, because you asked me

830
01:13:53.119 --> 01:13:58.479
my opinion about something where something led
and it was related to I think it

831
01:13:58.520 --> 01:14:01.680
was related to the whole. At
the time, waltimate sacrifice was a big

832
01:14:01.720 --> 01:14:08.039
deal, so C day was a
highly charged debate among people or whatever,

833
01:14:08.600 --> 01:14:13.199
and you would ask me something about
that, and I had that same kind

834
01:14:13.199 --> 01:14:16.000
of moment. I was like,
you want my opinion on this. You

835
01:14:16.079 --> 01:14:19.800
know more about this than I do. Walt is an expert on the I

836
01:14:19.800 --> 01:14:24.880
don't call myself an expert. I
never have. There are some people that

837
01:14:25.079 --> 01:14:28.960
are worthy of being called experts on
particular areas. I talked about that last

838
01:14:28.960 --> 01:14:30.960
show, and that's true. Walt
is one of those guys, though,

839
01:14:30.960 --> 01:14:34.439
that I consider to be an expert
on the whole of the case. Does

840
01:14:34.439 --> 01:14:38.119
that mean he knows every single thing? I don't think that's possible for a

841
01:14:38.159 --> 01:14:43.359
human being. But he is an
expert. So I love doing this with

842
01:14:43.399 --> 01:14:45.039
you, Walt, and I really
want to thank you and appreciate the time.

843
01:14:45.039 --> 01:14:48.960
And I'm going to be really I
love the idea of taking questions.

844
01:14:49.319 --> 01:14:53.520
Yes, believe me. If these
guys will give me enough questions, I

845
01:14:53.520 --> 01:14:57.079
mean, I will write to me
info at Ocelli dot com, write to

846
01:14:57.079 --> 01:15:00.359
me on social media, give me
your questions for Walt Brown. Do a

847
01:15:00.359 --> 01:15:01.880
whole show. I'll give you guys
a couple of weeks to write to me,

848
01:15:02.600 --> 01:15:05.000
and let's do it. Put him
in the chat room, put him

849
01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:09.319
everywhere, get them to me,
and I will assemble them, try to

850
01:15:09.359 --> 01:15:11.479
make sense out of him if I
can, you know, like put him

851
01:15:11.479 --> 01:15:15.279
in an order sort of, and
we can just do a whole Let's ask

852
01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:19.399
doctor Brown. Let's ask Walt Brown. And the one thing, one thing

853
01:15:19.439 --> 01:15:24.600
I absolutely have to warn your audience
if I don't know the answer, I'm

854
01:15:24.600 --> 01:15:27.079
gonna tell you I don't know the
answer. I'm not going to both smoke

855
01:15:27.159 --> 01:15:30.720
up your nose. Yeah. No, I love that. I see.

856
01:15:30.760 --> 01:15:32.600
That's that's what you call. You
know, somebody who's honest about what it

857
01:15:32.640 --> 01:15:35.199
is they know too they don't make
up. See. That was the other

858
01:15:35.239 --> 01:15:38.439
thing that you and I used to
witness with people too. I know we

859
01:15:38.520 --> 01:15:42.880
commiserated about this more than once.
Where it's like, you ever notice how

860
01:15:43.319 --> 01:15:48.039
some people just feel compelled to make
up an answer for the sake of an

861
01:15:48.079 --> 01:15:51.000
answer because they want to give one, but they don't they don't have I

862
01:15:51.279 --> 01:15:54.520
would much more apt, and I
always said this, I would much more

863
01:15:54.520 --> 01:15:57.119
appreciate it where a guy goes,
listen, I know a lot about this,

864
01:15:57.159 --> 01:16:00.199
but I don't know that I don't
know about the thing you're asking.

865
01:16:00.920 --> 01:16:02.439
You know, It's sort of like
the guy who is giving you the whole

866
01:16:02.439 --> 01:16:06.399
dissertation on the Secret Service, but
he doesn't actually know firearms. So you

867
01:16:06.439 --> 01:16:10.880
ask him a firearm related question.
He might go, listen, I know

868
01:16:10.960 --> 01:16:13.800
about all the Secret Service in her
workings, but I don't really know anything

869
01:16:13.800 --> 01:16:17.119
about firearms. So I gotta I
gotta not answer you here because I don't

870
01:16:17.159 --> 01:16:21.439
know. I appreciate that so much
better than the guy who goes, well,

871
01:16:21.479 --> 01:16:24.840
let me see what I can do, you know, and he just

872
01:16:24.920 --> 01:16:28.479
makes it up, And you know, it's so obvious when that happens.

873
01:16:28.479 --> 01:16:31.840
Anyway, Walt doesn't do that,
so if you guys answer ask good solid

874
01:16:31.920 --> 01:16:36.039
questions, you will get good solid
answers. Inasmuch as Walt knows about it,

875
01:16:36.119 --> 01:16:40.359
and the chances of Walt not knowing
about it are kind of low,

876
01:16:41.159 --> 01:16:44.039
but you might stump him. I
don't know. Maybe we'll give a prize.

877
01:16:44.079 --> 01:16:45.239
I'll tell you what. I'll give
a prize to somebody who can actually

878
01:16:45.239 --> 01:16:50.119
stunt stump Walt. How about that? How about I'll give you I'll mail

879
01:16:50.159 --> 01:16:54.920
I'll personally mail you one of the
Judith Verry Baker books, free of charge,

880
01:16:54.960 --> 01:16:58.720
directly to you. No problem,
if you actually send me a question

881
01:16:58.760 --> 01:17:01.920
that stumps Walt, not something ridiculous
deep in the minutia. I mean,

882
01:17:02.079 --> 01:17:06.760
you know, like was you know, was Jesse Curry left handed? Don't

883
01:17:06.760 --> 01:17:11.000
don't give me this kind of crap. I mean seriously, although Walt might

884
01:17:11.039 --> 01:17:14.119
know it, but but don't give
me that. I mean, if you

885
01:17:14.199 --> 01:17:15.760
really stump them on something and it's
sort of like, wow, Okay,

886
01:17:15.760 --> 01:17:19.720
that's a good question. But you
know, if you stumped them, I'll

887
01:17:19.760 --> 01:17:24.680
send you a Judith Ferry Baker book. How about that? And we'll just

888
01:17:24.720 --> 01:17:26.359
we'll work it that way. What
do you say, Walt? Does that

889
01:17:26.359 --> 01:17:30.479
sound good? To you. Yeah, or I will. We'll get him

890
01:17:30.479 --> 01:17:32.880
a book. We'll get We'll get
you a book. There's the other thing.

891
01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:35.359
They might have a Judith book.
We'll get you a book. One

892
01:17:35.359 --> 01:17:40.319
way or another. You stumped them. So there you have it. Walt

893
01:17:40.359 --> 01:17:42.840
again, I want to thank you, and I'll let you go with this

894
01:17:42.880 --> 01:17:45.239
and let everybody else go for the
night. Uh. This has of course

895
01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:48.960
been the Ocelli effect on a Monday. And yeah, we're getting close to

896
01:17:49.000 --> 01:17:53.600
the sixtieth anniversary at JFK. I'm
going to be in Dallas with Walt's book,

897
01:17:54.000 --> 01:17:57.760
Judith Ferry Baker in her own words. But tonight we were discussing the

898
01:17:57.840 --> 01:18:04.239
Kennedy execution, which was the conclusion
effectively really to a very very long really

899
01:18:04.520 --> 01:18:10.840
a thirty year trek through the JFK
evidence with Walt, but a seven year

900
01:18:10.880 --> 01:18:15.720
effort of writing this chronology, which
is immense again two thousand pages approximately,

901
01:18:16.000 --> 01:18:20.760
is what the index, not the
book, the index. Okay, So

902
01:18:20.920 --> 01:18:28.520
your thirty two thousand plus page chronology, which is a completely valuable resource available

903
01:18:28.560 --> 01:18:30.199
on CD and you can write to
Walt to get a hold of those things.

904
01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:35.439
The Warren omission I suggest as well, you need one of those before

905
01:18:35.479 --> 01:18:41.359
they're all gone. And of course
this book we talked about tonight to Kennedy

906
01:18:41.399 --> 01:18:45.439
execution Judith Arry Baker in her own
words, all of Walt's work whatever you

907
01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:51.279
can get ki A s JFK at
aol dot com. And all I got

908
01:18:51.279 --> 01:18:55.159
to say to you guys, I'm
merely ocelli. All of you were indeed

909
01:18:55.159 --> 01:18:58.800
the effect, and we were really
happy to have Walton send me those questions.

910
01:18:59.319 --> 01:19:54.199
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917
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in Denial the Secret Wars with air
strikes and tanks by Larry Hancock. Secret

918
01:20:40.920 --> 01:20:45.000
wars became a staple of US covert
operations and are still happening today. Larry

919
01:20:45.039 --> 01:20:50.039
Hancock's book In Denial rips the cover
off many of them using new files.

920
01:20:50.079 --> 01:20:54.760
It exposes things about the Bay of
Pigs that no one has ever written about

921
01:20:54.840 --> 01:20:59.000
before. It shows why it really
failed and why the United States did not

922
01:20:59.239 --> 01:21:03.079
learn from it. It also shows
why other countries today are doing secret operations

923
01:21:03.119 --> 01:21:08.479
with more success. This is the
book that puts what some want to deny

924
01:21:08.800 --> 01:21:15.199
into the light. In Denial secret
wars with air strikes and tanks Larry Handcock.

925
01:21:15.399 --> 01:21:19.520
For more information, go to Larry
hyphen Hancock dot com. Pick up

926
01:21:19.520 --> 01:21:25.199
your copy of In Denial at Amazon
dot com in digital or physical thing.

927
01:21:25.279 --> 01:21:27.800
Go ahead, call it. I'm
listed in the Truth about the Day of

928
01:21:27.840 --> 01:21:30.199
a Assascilation. Right, well,
what do you want to know? Judie

929
01:21:30.239 --> 01:21:34.199
Baker's wild claim Oswald girl riends you
knew Ruby and Barry hanswer weapons? Really?

930
01:21:34.319 --> 01:21:36.840
I imagine I could claim I have
four wheels. It doesn't make me

931
01:21:36.880 --> 01:21:41.720
a wagon. But okay. Oswald
was on the builty and science prevent the

932
01:21:41.800 --> 01:21:44.520
murder of John Kennedy. Come on, now, has it real Eckert on

933
01:21:44.600 --> 01:21:47.520
the Day of Hay Assascmation. Go
into her claim. Go to Amazon dot

934
01:21:47.560 --> 01:21:51.880
com. Enter Judith Baker in her
own words. You'll get the results for

935
01:21:51.960 --> 01:21:57.800
a digital copy of a book where
Walt Brown utilizes her own words and the

936
01:21:57.840 --> 01:22:01.960
known evidence in the case to get
at well a different perspective. Let's say

937
01:22:02.039 --> 01:22:06.239
you can get Judith Barry Baker in
her own words from the author himself,

938
01:22:06.359 --> 01:22:12.359
signed if you request it by contacting
doctor Brown at k I A s JFK

939
01:22:12.840 --> 01:22:16.680
at aol dot com. It's a
fun book and it actually dissects the many,

940
01:22:16.760 --> 01:22:21.439
many fantastic claims Judith Barry Baker in
her own words. Thank you for

941
01:22:21.560 --> 01:22:23.520
all the great information.