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Let's talk to Bonnie. Bonnie,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.

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Hi, Please don't be mad at
me. Don't be mad at me.

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I don't want to be here any
more. I feel like I don't mean

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to be presumptuous, but I feel
like I have fulfilled my purpose. You

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and I have actually talked before.
I'm a hospice nurse, and we talked

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about when my father passed and I
fulfilled his wishes. I fulfilled that he

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wanted. A year later, my
partner boyfriend from my age of five years

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passed away. I fulfilled his wishes. I have not. I have two

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great grown children. I fulfilled.
You know, their purpose. They're they're

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living their lives. They're great lives. And I on the outside, you

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know, people think, oh,
yeah, she's funny, she's great,

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she's doing all these things. And
then I come home, I'm like,

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I'm done. I don't I don't
understand. I don't know. I don't.

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I'm telling you, don't be mad
at me because I don't have a

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plan. And I don't mean to
be presumptuous to tell you, but it's

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like you and I talk all day
every day, but that's the way.

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One thing I asked for every day, Please take me home, Please take

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me home. I don't feel like
I have anything left to do. I

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just go out and do what I
have to do come home? And then

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and then you know you want to
call it depression. Fine, I've been

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to I've been to mental health before
you know what happened. I ended up

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solving the therapist problems I did.
It's the wheel turn and I'm thinking,

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okay, well I fulfilled your purpose, and it's just what else? And

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then again, I don't mean to
be rude, but what else is there

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more for me to do? One
more kind? And again I don't mean

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to be presumptuous? What more do
you want from me? Centralists? So

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don't want to be sure anymore?
Bonnie, Are you having suicidal thoughts or

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suicidal ideation at all? No,
that's what I'm telling you. I don't

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have a plan. I don't I'm
not. I can't do that. No.

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So that's when I meant by I
don't have a plan. Okay,

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I'm going to for the sake of
you and others listening or remind you in

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the United States that nine eighty eight
is the number that you can dial if

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you have suicidal thoughts, or you're
in a crisis, or you're in a

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mode of possibly hurting yourself. I
just want people to know nine eight eight

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is the number you call if you're
feeling that or just want to talk with

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someone. Now, if you're saying
you're not in that state, we have

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to look at a couple of things, one of which is when we've talked

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before, and I know that you
are dealing with hospice, which is a

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very very heavy thing to deal with. And yes, this is not a

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show about you know, medical issues, and it's not just a therapist.

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You need to see a psychiatrist to
see if your chemistry is right is one

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thing that I would recommend. But
on the moral side of things, which

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is what this show is about,
is there as long as you are living,

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there are things for you to do, and there is service to God

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in that as well. I would
say that in addition, because of the

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kindness of the work that you do
and what you give, that a different

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kind of volunteering could be good for
you to see a slightly different side.

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But as far as you sang the
reoccurring theme of you taking care of others,

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what do you need to be taken
care of for you? What are

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you not getting? I don't know
what to tell you when I I have

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Oh God, that's going to sound
pathetic. And I don't mean to sound

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that way. I don't have I
don't have a partner. I don't have

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someone in my life, so you
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I don't mean sound the way to
sound for you to say what am I

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not getting? There's no one to
give to me? And I don't mean

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it to sound like that. No, No, you're designed that way.

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That's okay, you're designed. It
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That goes for man and woman.
The desire is for you to have

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a partner, should you choose one. But I would, I really would.

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It's just you know, I mean
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drive to people's homes and look at
what I do, so the prospects are

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very short term, you know.
I just I just you know, I

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just you know, and and I
and I go, you know, I'm

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now going back to the gym.
That is something I really like because good,

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you know, when you're sweating,
no one knows if you're sweating or

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if you're crying, So it works
out really great for me and so.

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But but as far as what am
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be with someone, but it hasn't
I mean I've looked at my life plan.

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It hasn't worked out. Uh,
and I don't know why. You

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know, that's stupid question. Oh
you know you you're you've got it going

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on. You got why are you
still single? Shut up? You don't

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just leave me alone. If I'm
single, I'm single. It's not like

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i'm you know, I got a
sign going back off. But it's just

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it doesn't if it's I don't know
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sound like I'm looking for a you
know, a hook up pretty sure,

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but I'm just I would love to
be with someone. But in my life

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plan, and everybody has a life
plan, it hasn't worked out. Some

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people aren't meant to have children.
I was told I wouldn't even have children,

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and you bless me with two.
Some people aren't meant to be with

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someone that might be my plan doesn't
make me happy. Those people tend to

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be people that don't want to If
the kind of rule throughout scripture, if

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you desire that connectivity, that desire
is given by God. So this isn't

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always a wonderful way to put it, but you are doing something. You

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have an emotional or something about the
way you present yourself that has a closed

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sign on it, and that could
be through the trauma of losing a loved

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one. That can be for a
lot of different things. But you're not

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No one ever calls me to say
I'm starving, no one because you know

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how to get food. You know
how to plant a seed, you know

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how to get something at the grocery
store, even with limited funds. You

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know how to get food, how
to be fed, and people ought to

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you know, kind of manufacture an
emotional ignorance when it comes to meeting people.

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What would it take for someone to
catch your eye? What would it

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take? What would someone have to
say to you to make you think,

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oh they're interesting or this could be
a possible path. And then once you

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learn that, then you process that
to somebody. You go to places that

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you like to be to meet people
with similar interests, and it's going to

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probably spring up on you. But
during the process you should be building your

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own strength because if they with brokenness, who wants that? You don't want

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someone broken? So today and every
day, I need you, Bonnie,

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to plant a seed in your life, a new interest, the gym,

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going for a walk, going to
a place that you've always wanted to go

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to go to a place that you
would like to go to with a spouse

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or a partner, and you don't
even though you don't have them, do

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these things, Bonnie, and I
thank you for your call up against the

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clock, but do these things to
plant. Don't be ignorant. You know

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how to get food, you know
where to get gas, you know where

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to get shelter. People shut down
when it comes to a partner because they

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don't want to be rejection rejected,
But better to be rejected by the wrong

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person than not go out to find
the right one. And it will come.

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Sometimes it takes multiple times. Sometimes
you may just have a nice little

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friendship. Sometimes it will build into
something more. But the intensity of your

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emotion I can feel it, and
I know other people feel it too,

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and that probably makes them think that
you're off limits. Oh Bonnie, we

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have talked many times. I want
you to think about this for yourself and

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for Bonnie. And we're going to
pray for Bonnie, that her that she

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builds herself to be the magnet.
She builds herself worries and focuses on being

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the best Bonnie she could be,
and that people will be attracted to that.

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But when you find somebody who is
broken in that state, it doesn't

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mean what they want is not going
to be given by God. It means

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that there is a pause on that
for some reason. And I believe that

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it is to get yourself in emotional
shape. Get yourself in that shape,

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to find somebody and be with someone
you know, to go into it in

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that brokenness. To go into it
in that state is not going to help

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you find anyone any more than you'd
want to be with somebody broken in that

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state. It's an interesting thing that
God does. God waits for you to

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be ready and knows that you are
ready. When you enjoy your own company,

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When you enjoy being alone with yourself, when you're happy and with how

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interesting you are, is when it
tends to work out. Because only when

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you're comfortable in needing and using yourself
as a resource and enjoying your hobbies or

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gifts and abilities or those things is
when you become ready. Because of course,

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just being single doesn't mean in God's
eyes, you're available. All right,

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let's get some other calls in.
Let's talk to Ken. Hi,

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Ken, Welcome to Jesus Christ show
Hello, there it is Sunday. Right.

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Indeed, it is kind of obvious
for this show. But no,

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no, you said it's good to
be with you on Saturday, and I

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thought maybe it was me. Well, it's good to be with you on

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Saturday as well? How about that? Okay, Oh, your hostess made

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me choose. I had to take
a binary choice. Was I an atheist

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or a Christian? And I once
read an essay that said there shouldn't even

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be a word to deny the existence
of something that doesn't exist. Therefore,

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the word atheist is a fallacy from
the get go. Well, that's not

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really fair because I'm gonna I'm gonna
be safe to say ken that even as

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a smart man, and I can
already tell by your sense of humor that

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even as a smart man, you
have less than one percent of the total

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knowledge of the universe. So let's
just say there is a good play.

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There plenty of hiding places for a
being of some kind. They're outside of

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your knowledge. So it's not really
fair because there are many things that can

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be theoretical but not actual that people
still think about mathematically. Therefore, you

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know, mathematically you can have a
book with an infinite amount of pages,

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but you can't literally have a book
with an infinite amount of pages, but

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mathematicians still do the math. Yeah, so you know why I'm more moral

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than Christian. Oh, here we
go, nice coming out of the box.

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Why is that because I do not
base my behavior on the threat of

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eternal damnation or the promise of eternal
reward. I give that live and let

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list. Nobody's bothering me. Why
would I bother them? Interestingly, the

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studies that have been done in the
last handful of years. One in Science

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Daily was interesting because they found that
atheists tended to be more likely to judge

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morality on harm or consequences. So
it's interesting that you would bring that up.

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Now, I will say this,
I don't think that that atheists are

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without morality or a moral compass at
all. I think they steal the vast

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majority from theological views and philosophical views
rooted in theology. As a matter of

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fact, that's where all science came
from in the first place, philosophy and

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theology. So I do believe that
many a matter of fact, I don't

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know. I think you'd be hard
pressed to find atheists that do crime based

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on atheism, more so than you
would find people who said they God told

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them to do something, or that
they had some sort of a divine push

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to do something. But my question
wouldn't be who's more moral. My question

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would be where do you get your
morality? Why do you care? I

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don't know. I just know I
haven't I know if you know those apocalyptic

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movies where all civilization has fallen and
people are roaming, and you know,

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the guy will come across a woman
and sexual assault because there's no consequence,

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there's no pure he just doesn't.
I know for whatever reason that I wouldn't

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do that. I don't know why. I just wouldn't. Well, you

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don't know, because you're not.
If you're going to be empirical about it,

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then you would have to be in
that situation first. You don't know.

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You feel like even when I was
younger, I don't think I would.

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I don't think I would aggress upon
someone innocent. I just don't think

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I would, And I don't know
why. But what is an innocent thing?

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What is your definition of innocent?
Somebody else minding their own business and

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not attacking me, why would I
bother them? Okay, So somebody attacking

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someone else is okay? No,
No, I don't know if I'd intervene

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there. Survival instinct might be stronger
than the situation at hand, but I

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don't think I would. So what
a group of people are jumping on a

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guy that just harmed or raped somebody? I keep moving? You would just

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keep walking by? Yes, okay, because you're I'm not a superhero.

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No, but you're morality, but
you're a participant. This is interesting.

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This is part of that study in
Science Daily dot com is that it found

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that really a lot of the morality
that comes from an atheistic mindset was really

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based on consequences and harm. So
you walk away from a situation that now

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you'd have to ask yourself is it
moral to walk away? Or is it

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just self preservation? And why would
self preservation of can be more important than

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self than the preservation of someone else. That's not moral? Yeah, well

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that goes beyond morality to real basics. No, No, because that is

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that is a moral and to remove
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or less moral. So it's a
it's a it's a value that you value

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yourself over others in any situation,
even if it was morally wrong. What

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you were watching you would just walk
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value. As a matter of fact, it would be put into the category

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of immral because you're putting yourself before
others. And it's not that there wouldn't

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be a situation where that would be. If you genuinely couldn't help someone to

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run into a fire just to try
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that doesn't have moral value either,
But in a sense where you could help

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and you choose not to, that's
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choice is obvious that I would die
if I intervened, self preservation is going

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to trump Yes, you know,
sure, bind of health. It's just

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it's a basic it goes beyond I
think self preservation goes beyond morality. So

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where does your morality come from?
You just said that it just happened.

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Yeah, I don't know. I
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I wouldn't initiate any evil. I
just yes. But but by not

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doing things sometimes which people find to
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not. It's it doesn't have value. By not doing something can cause problems.

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But if you don't things worse.
You can't. You can't make things

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worse by not partis bating. It's
not a spectator sport. Can. You're

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living in a world, and if
you believe atheistically in the proper understanding of

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evolution, that is not if safety
was in hiding, no one would be

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here. So it doesn't even work
with your moral system. The more you

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have, you have no measuring rod. You just kind of make one up

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in the minute. And that's what
these studies have found. It is that

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over and over an atheist will they're
their own god. They believe in a

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god, they just believe it's themselves. And in that process, all the

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decisions that are made, everything that
you're doing is based on you and not

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society. And I would say,
in the definition of of that, that

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is morally wrong. You're basically living
on an island of can, worrying only

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about can and in doing that and
not interacting and not participating in the world,

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and you're kind of like live and
let live. No, that's not

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as if you want to be that
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you don't care sivalent to a squirrel, Well, then that squirrels your god.

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Because ken you're saying that things are
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and where's the morality in that?
Everything has an understanding? And the fear

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of God is the mark. God
gives you the mark. This is the

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mark. Sin is just a fancy
theological word for missing the mark. And

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if you miss the mark, it's
just happened to be given by God.

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Your mark is stolen from God because
you've stolen these things from Judeo Christian presuppositions.

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Then and you kind of steal that
and then you modify them and say,

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oh, I really don't want to
get involved. That doesn't have value,

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and it certainly doesn't have value in
a society. So you take the

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blessings, if you will, let
me use that word. You take the

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structure that is made by God that
people are obeying, and you get the

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convenience of that without participating. And
you say that that's more moral, and

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I say it's not moral. I
say that you're trying to benefit from it

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and being absence of being absent of
why it exists at all. Unfortunately,

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Linken, we're up against the clock. Thank you for your call, but

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I'm begging you call back. I
want to finish our conversation. It's just

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a time thing. Ah morality.
We had a lot of really cool calls

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and hopefully thought provoking answers on the
program today, And although we didn't get

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to finish with Cannon, I knew
this was going to be a short segment.

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When we came back. I'm hoping
that he'll call some time, because

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I was enjoying not only his questioning
and the way he thinks, but he

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had a great sense of humor as
well, which always screams intelligence, doesn't

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it. So we'll get into those
things, but I know there seems to

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be this battle. Most atheists,
when truly cornered, become agnostic because it's

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not a very scientific thing to say
that there's not the possibility. Of course,

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proving a negative is impossible, and
all these things become highly problematic when

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you're trying to land somewhere, and
it's, you know, a battle that

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goes back and forth. Someone once
said to me, you know, I'm

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an atheist and I believe in evolution
because the virgin birth I just couldn't wrap

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my mind around. And I looked
at them and said, okay, so

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in scripture you've got one virgin birth
in evolution, you've got billions and kind

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of First you have to have something
that starts out of nothing, and then

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a virgin birth goes there, and
then it has which is dividing by the

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way in its simplest form, and
then it has to go from the simplest

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biological way to divide into having to
conceive having male female having relations a sperm

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an egg, and becomes super complicated
and unnecessary. And then with missing links,

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they say, but with missing ideas, then you get stuff like punctuated

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equilibrium, and that's a whole another
thing. When punctuated equilibrium where it's like

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two lizards mate and then you know, outcomes the dog, and there's a

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lot of there's a lot of I
will accept this, but not accept that.

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And I would find that in all
things are both pretty difficult to accept

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without a bit of faith, which
is all I ask remember. More important

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than all the heaviness that goes on
during the week, the simplicity of these

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words, I am with you always,