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Let's talk to Bonnie. Bonnie, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Hi, Please don't be mad at me. Don't be mad at me.
I don't want to be here any more. I feel like I don't mean
to be presumptuous, but I feel like I have fulfilled my purpose. You
and I have actually talked before. I'm a hospice nurse, and we talked
about when my father passed and I fulfilled his wishes. I fulfilled that he
wanted. A year later, my partner boyfriend from my age of five years
passed away. I fulfilled his wishes. I have not. I have two
great grown children. I fulfilled. You know, their purpose. They're they're
living their lives. They're great lives. And I on the outside, you
know, people think, oh, yeah, she's funny, she's great,
she's doing all these things. And then I come home, I'm like,
I'm done. I don't I don't understand. I don't know. I don't.
I'm telling you, don't be mad at me because I don't have a
plan. And I don't mean to be presumptuous to tell you, but it's
like you and I talk all day every day, but that's the way.
One thing I asked for every day, Please take me home, Please take
me home. I don't feel like I have anything left to do. I
just go out and do what I have to do come home? And then
and then you know you want to call it depression. Fine, I've been
to I've been to mental health before you know what happened. I ended up
solving the therapist problems I did. It's the wheel turn and I'm thinking,
okay, well I fulfilled your purpose, and it's just what else? And
then again, I don't mean to be rude, but what else is there
more for me to do? One more kind? And again I don't mean
to be presumptuous? What more do you want from me? Centralists? So
don't want to be sure anymore? Bonnie, Are you having suicidal thoughts or
suicidal ideation at all? No, that's what I'm telling you. I don't
have a plan. I don't I'm not. I can't do that. No.
So that's when I meant by I don't have a plan. Okay,
I'm going to for the sake of you and others listening or remind you in
the United States that nine eighty eight is the number that you can dial if
you have suicidal thoughts, or you're in a crisis, or you're in a
mode of possibly hurting yourself. I just want people to know nine eight eight
is the number you call if you're feeling that or just want to talk with
someone. Now, if you're saying you're not in that state, we have
to look at a couple of things, one of which is when we've talked
before, and I know that you are dealing with hospice, which is a
very very heavy thing to deal with. And yes, this is not a
show about you know, medical issues, and it's not just a therapist.
You need to see a psychiatrist to see if your chemistry is right is one
thing that I would recommend. But on the moral side of things, which
is what this show is about, is there as long as you are living,
there are things for you to do, and there is service to God
in that as well. I would say that in addition, because of the
kindness of the work that you do and what you give, that a different
kind of volunteering could be good for you to see a slightly different side.
But as far as you sang the reoccurring theme of you taking care of others,
what do you need to be taken care of for you? What are
you not getting? I don't know what to tell you when I I have
Oh God, that's going to sound pathetic. And I don't mean to sound
that way. I don't have I don't have a partner. I don't have
someone in my life, so you know, for you, for again,
I don't mean sound the way to sound for you to say what am I
not getting? There's no one to give to me? And I don't mean
it to sound like that. No, No, you're designed that way.
That's okay, you're designed. It is not good for man to be alone.
That goes for man and woman. The desire is for you to have
a partner, should you choose one. But I would, I really would.
It's just you know, I mean again, I don't mean if I
drive to people's homes and look at what I do, so the prospects are
very short term, you know. I just I just you know, I
just you know, and and I and I go, you know, I'm
now going back to the gym. That is something I really like because good,
you know, when you're sweating, no one knows if you're sweating or
if you're crying, So it works out really great for me and so.
But but as far as what am I getting, of course I'd like to
be with someone, but it hasn't I mean I've looked at my life plan.
It hasn't worked out. Uh, and I don't know why. You
know, that's stupid question. Oh you know you you're you've got it going
on. You got why are you still single? Shut up? You don't
just leave me alone. If I'm single, I'm single. It's not like
i'm you know, I got a sign going back off. But it's just
it doesn't if it's I don't know what to do. I don't mean to
sound like I'm looking for a you know, a hook up pretty sure,
but I'm just I would love to be with someone. But in my life
plan, and everybody has a life plan, it hasn't worked out. Some
people aren't meant to have children. I was told I wouldn't even have children,
and you bless me with two. Some people aren't meant to be with
someone that might be my plan doesn't make me happy. Those people tend to
be people that don't want to If the kind of rule throughout scripture, if
you desire that connectivity, that desire is given by God. So this isn't
always a wonderful way to put it, but you are doing something. You
have an emotional or something about the way you present yourself that has a closed
sign on it, and that could be through the trauma of losing a loved
one. That can be for a lot of different things. But you're not
No one ever calls me to say I'm starving, no one because you know
how to get food. You know how to plant a seed, you know
how to get something at the grocery store, even with limited funds. You
know how to get food, how to be fed, and people ought to
you know, kind of manufacture an emotional ignorance when it comes to meeting people.
What would it take for someone to catch your eye? What would it
take? What would someone have to say to you to make you think,
oh they're interesting or this could be a possible path. And then once you
learn that, then you process that to somebody. You go to places that
you like to be to meet people with similar interests, and it's going to
probably spring up on you. But during the process you should be building your
own strength because if they with brokenness, who wants that? You don't want
someone broken? So today and every day, I need you, Bonnie,
to plant a seed in your life, a new interest, the gym,
going for a walk, going to a place that you've always wanted to go
to go to a place that you would like to go to with a spouse
or a partner, and you don't even though you don't have them, do
these things, Bonnie, and I thank you for your call up against the
clock, but do these things to plant. Don't be ignorant. You know
how to get food, you know where to get gas, you know where
to get shelter. People shut down when it comes to a partner because they
don't want to be rejection rejected, But better to be rejected by the wrong
person than not go out to find the right one. And it will come.
Sometimes it takes multiple times. Sometimes you may just have a nice little
friendship. Sometimes it will build into something more. But the intensity of your
emotion I can feel it, and I know other people feel it too,
and that probably makes them think that you're off limits. Oh Bonnie, we
have talked many times. I want you to think about this for yourself and
for Bonnie. And we're going to pray for Bonnie, that her that she
builds herself to be the magnet. She builds herself worries and focuses on being
the best Bonnie she could be, and that people will be attracted to that.
But when you find somebody who is broken in that state, it doesn't
mean what they want is not going to be given by God. It means
that there is a pause on that for some reason. And I believe that
it is to get yourself in emotional shape. Get yourself in that shape,
to find somebody and be with someone you know, to go into it in
that brokenness. To go into it in that state is not going to help
you find anyone any more than you'd want to be with somebody broken in that
state. It's an interesting thing that God does. God waits for you to
be ready and knows that you are ready. When you enjoy your own company,
When you enjoy being alone with yourself, when you're happy and with how
interesting you are, is when it tends to work out. Because only when
you're comfortable in needing and using yourself as a resource and enjoying your hobbies or
gifts and abilities or those things is when you become ready. Because of course,
just being single doesn't mean in God's eyes, you're available. All right,
let's get some other calls in. Let's talk to Ken. Hi,
Ken, Welcome to Jesus Christ show Hello, there it is Sunday. Right.
Indeed, it is kind of obvious for this show. But no,
no, you said it's good to be with you on Saturday, and I
thought maybe it was me. Well, it's good to be with you on
Saturday as well? How about that? Okay, Oh, your hostess made
me choose. I had to take a binary choice. Was I an atheist
or a Christian? And I once read an essay that said there shouldn't even
be a word to deny the existence of something that doesn't exist. Therefore,
the word atheist is a fallacy from the get go. Well, that's not
really fair because I'm gonna I'm gonna be safe to say ken that even as
a smart man, and I can already tell by your sense of humor that
even as a smart man, you have less than one percent of the total
knowledge of the universe. So let's just say there is a good play.
There plenty of hiding places for a being of some kind. They're outside of
your knowledge. So it's not really fair because there are many things that can
be theoretical but not actual that people still think about mathematically. Therefore, you
know, mathematically you can have a book with an infinite amount of pages,
but you can't literally have a book with an infinite amount of pages, but
mathematicians still do the math. Yeah, so you know why I'm more moral
than Christian. Oh, here we go, nice coming out of the box.
Why is that because I do not base my behavior on the threat of
eternal damnation or the promise of eternal reward. I give that live and let
list. Nobody's bothering me. Why would I bother them? Interestingly, the
studies that have been done in the last handful of years. One in Science
Daily was interesting because they found that atheists tended to be more likely to judge
morality on harm or consequences. So it's interesting that you would bring that up.
Now, I will say this, I don't think that that atheists are
without morality or a moral compass at all. I think they steal the vast
majority from theological views and philosophical views rooted in theology. As a matter of
fact, that's where all science came from in the first place, philosophy and
theology. So I do believe that many a matter of fact, I don't
know. I think you'd be hard pressed to find atheists that do crime based
on atheism, more so than you would find people who said they God told
them to do something, or that they had some sort of a divine push
to do something. But my question wouldn't be who's more moral. My question
would be where do you get your morality? Why do you care? I
don't know. I just know I haven't I know if you know those apocalyptic
movies where all civilization has fallen and people are roaming, and you know,
the guy will come across a woman and sexual assault because there's no consequence,
there's no pure he just doesn't. I know for whatever reason that I wouldn't
do that. I don't know why. I just wouldn't. Well, you
don't know, because you're not. If you're going to be empirical about it,
then you would have to be in that situation first. You don't know.
You feel like even when I was younger, I don't think I would.
I don't think I would aggress upon someone innocent. I just don't think
I would, And I don't know why. But what is an innocent thing?
What is your definition of innocent? Somebody else minding their own business and
not attacking me, why would I bother them? Okay, So somebody attacking
someone else is okay? No, No, I don't know if I'd intervene
there. Survival instinct might be stronger than the situation at hand, but I
don't think I would. So what a group of people are jumping on a
guy that just harmed or raped somebody? I keep moving? You would just
keep walking by? Yes, okay, because you're I'm not a superhero.
No, but you're morality, but you're a participant. This is interesting.
This is part of that study in Science Daily dot com is that it found
that really a lot of the morality that comes from an atheistic mindset was really
based on consequences and harm. So you walk away from a situation that now
you'd have to ask yourself is it moral to walk away? Or is it
just self preservation? And why would self preservation of can be more important than
self than the preservation of someone else. That's not moral? Yeah, well
that goes beyond morality to real basics. No, No, because that is
that is a moral and to remove morality from something doesn't make it more moral
or less moral. So it's a it's a it's a value that you value
yourself over others in any situation, even if it was morally wrong. What
you were watching you would just walk on by. That doesn't have any moral
value. As a matter of fact, it would be put into the category
of immral because you're putting yourself before others. And it's not that there wouldn't
be a situation where that would be. If you genuinely couldn't help someone to
run into a fire just to try be a hero or look like one,
that doesn't have moral value either, But in a sense where you could help
and you choose not to, that's a lack of morality. But if the
choice is obvious that I would die if I intervened, self preservation is going
to trump Yes, you know, sure, bind of health. It's just
it's a basic it goes beyond I think self preservation goes beyond morality. So
where does your morality come from? You just said that it just happened.
Yeah, I don't know. I just know I wouldn't add to anyone's problems.
I wouldn't initiate any evil. I just yes. But but by not
doing things sometimes which people find to be they think it's more moral, it's
not. It's it doesn't have value. By not doing something can cause problems.
But if you don't things worse. You can't. You can't make things
worse by not partis bating. It's not a spectator sport. Can. You're
living in a world, and if you believe atheistically in the proper understanding of
evolution, that is not if safety was in hiding, no one would be
here. So it doesn't even work with your moral system. The more you
have, you have no measuring rod. You just kind of make one up
in the minute. And that's what these studies have found. It is that
over and over an atheist will they're their own god. They believe in a
god, they just believe it's themselves. And in that process, all the
decisions that are made, everything that you're doing is based on you and not
society. And I would say, in the definition of of that, that
is morally wrong. You're basically living on an island of can, worrying only
about can and in doing that and not interacting and not participating in the world,
and you're kind of like live and let live. No, that's not
as if you want to be that way. You live on an island because
you don't care sivalent to a squirrel, Well, then that squirrels your god.
Because ken you're saying that things are based on the fear of God,
and where's the morality in that? Everything has an understanding? And the fear
of God is the mark. God gives you the mark. This is the
mark. Sin is just a fancy theological word for missing the mark. And
if you miss the mark, it's just happened to be given by God.
Your mark is stolen from God because you've stolen these things from Judeo Christian presuppositions.
Then and you kind of steal that and then you modify them and say,
oh, I really don't want to get involved. That doesn't have value,
and it certainly doesn't have value in a society. So you take the
blessings, if you will, let me use that word. You take the
structure that is made by God that people are obeying, and you get the
convenience of that without participating. And you say that that's more moral, and
I say it's not moral. I say that you're trying to benefit from it
and being absence of being absent of why it exists at all. Unfortunately,
Linken, we're up against the clock. Thank you for your call, but
I'm begging you call back. I want to finish our conversation. It's just
a time thing. Ah morality. We had a lot of really cool calls
and hopefully thought provoking answers on the program today, And although we didn't get
to finish with Cannon, I knew this was going to be a short segment.
When we came back. I'm hoping that he'll call some time, because
I was enjoying not only his questioning and the way he thinks, but he
had a great sense of humor as well, which always screams intelligence, doesn't
it. So we'll get into those things, but I know there seems to
be this battle. Most atheists, when truly cornered, become agnostic because it's
not a very scientific thing to say that there's not the possibility. Of course,
proving a negative is impossible, and all these things become highly problematic when
you're trying to land somewhere, and it's, you know, a battle that
goes back and forth. Someone once said to me, you know, I'm
an atheist and I believe in evolution because the virgin birth I just couldn't wrap
my mind around. And I looked at them and said, okay, so
in scripture you've got one virgin birth in evolution, you've got billions and kind
of First you have to have something that starts out of nothing, and then
a virgin birth goes there, and then it has which is dividing by the
way in its simplest form, and then it has to go from the simplest
biological way to divide into having to conceive having male female having relations a sperm
an egg, and becomes super complicated and unnecessary. And then with missing links,
they say, but with missing ideas, then you get stuff like punctuated
equilibrium, and that's a whole another thing. When punctuated equilibrium where it's like
two lizards mate and then you know, outcomes the dog, and there's a
lot of there's a lot of I will accept this, but not accept that.
And I would find that in all things are both pretty difficult to accept
without a bit of faith, which is all I ask remember. More important
than all the heaviness that goes on during the week, the simplicity of these
words, I am with you always,