1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:49,039 You're fie naming. Hello everybody, Welcome, here we go. It is 2 00:00:49,079 --> 00:00:53,880 that time again, Happy Monday. It is Matt Connerton Unleashed and we are 3 00:00:54,039 --> 00:00:59,479 live from the studios of w m n H five point three FM and Glorious 4 00:00:59,759 --> 00:01:03,439 Downtown Manchester, New Hampshire, also on Comcast ninety seven if you're in Manchester 5 00:01:03,519 --> 00:01:07,680 and hello too, Oliver our online listeners across the nation and around the globe. 6 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,840 You can go to my website Matt Connerton dot com for all your live 7 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,599 streaming options, social media links, contact info, show archives, etcetera, 8 00:01:14,799 --> 00:01:19,519 etcetera. Today is a Monday, April twenty four, two thousand and twenty 9 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:25,400 three. And what a what a blood bath? Should I use that term? 10 00:01:25,519 --> 00:01:29,840 Or is that two graphic? In in big media in corporate media today? 11 00:01:30,239 --> 00:01:32,760 My goodness, Well, we'll talk about all of it. It's a 12 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:37,599 big, big day, but a lot there is much to discuss, but 13 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,799 uh and I look forward to discussing it with all of you. If you'd 14 00:01:40,799 --> 00:01:42,280 like to call us today on the program, six ZO three two five O 15 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:47,319 six Z seven is the studio line six ZO three two five zero six zero 16 00:01:47,519 --> 00:01:49,879 seven. You can also text us at six one seven nine one seven four 17 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,560 four seven six. I'm on social media at Matt Connerton. You can email 18 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,840 me Matt at matt Connerton dot com, and of course you can interact and 19 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,760 opine in the Facebook live chat. But the best thing to do so that 20 00:02:02,799 --> 00:02:07,039 we can hear and fully enjoy your dulcet tones is to give us a call 21 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:14,360 today at six zero three two five six seven on this uh, this quite 22 00:02:14,719 --> 00:02:20,719 quite remarkable day in mainstream big corporate media. You know, I love talking 23 00:02:20,719 --> 00:02:24,439 about media, whether it is mainstream media, corporate media, big media, 24 00:02:24,479 --> 00:02:30,240 as we say, or whether it's it whether it's alternative media or online media, 25 00:02:30,439 --> 00:02:36,319 you know, whatever you want to call that. But this was so 26 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,639 if you haven't heard, I'll just say up front, and then we'll look 27 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,439 at the Facebook live chat and then we'll get in everything. But the big 28 00:02:42,479 --> 00:02:50,240 breaking news today. So first, Tucker Carlson apparently has parted ways with Fox 29 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:54,840 News and it appears he was fired. We do not know for certain details 30 00:02:54,879 --> 00:03:00,199 yet, but given that he was not given an opportunity to say good eye 31 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:07,280 to the audience and his uh, his uh leaving, his departure was simply 32 00:03:07,599 --> 00:03:14,159 announced with a terse press release. Um it uh it's a pretty good bet 33 00:03:14,159 --> 00:03:19,719 that it was Fox's decision. And then so that was a big breaking news. 34 00:03:19,759 --> 00:03:24,080 And then a little while later, uh, Don Lemon of CNN also 35 00:03:24,479 --> 00:03:31,560 gone, and he also appears to have been fired or future endeavored wrestling fans 36 00:03:31,599 --> 00:03:36,199 will know that reference. I see Melanie Law Liberty is in the Facebook life 37 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,520 chat, and I know she loves the wrestling talk. She's a big fan 38 00:03:38,039 --> 00:03:45,479 future endeavored when when w WE releases wrestlers from their roster, they issue a 39 00:03:45,479 --> 00:03:50,520 public statement saying that we wish so and so uh all the best in their 40 00:03:50,639 --> 00:03:55,719 future endeavors um, unless, of course, uh they didn't like the person 41 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,840 they were releasing from the roster at all and they're mad at them, in 42 00:04:00,879 --> 00:04:03,280 which case they just announced that they release that person and then they don't wish 43 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:09,039 them good luck in their future endeavors um, you know, or Vince McMahon 44 00:04:09,039 --> 00:04:15,759 just calls them up. Yeah, yes, very mean, that mean mister 45 00:04:15,839 --> 00:04:19,360 McMahon. So, uh so, there's a lot to get to today. 46 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:25,199 I'm I'm excited by the way. I'll just say too. You know what's 47 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:31,560 funny about this is so for me. So, like I said, I'm 48 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:39,439 interested in all media drama related to media firings, hirings, contract disputes, 49 00:04:39,759 --> 00:04:44,160 contract negotiations. I'm interested in all of it. I really love the insiders 50 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,279 stuff where you get kind of a peak behind the scenes and and you get 51 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:51,480 to learn all the all the dirt. I love that stuff. I absolutely 52 00:04:51,519 --> 00:04:57,519 love it. And and you know, I don't know what that says about 53 00:04:57,519 --> 00:05:00,160 me as a person. Necessarily, probably not anything terribly positive. I don't 54 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,680 know. I'll let you be the judge, judge me as you will. 55 00:05:03,199 --> 00:05:05,839 I am here for you to judge. That's really why I do the show. 56 00:05:05,879 --> 00:05:10,160 Actually, I come in every day so that the general public can judge 57 00:05:10,199 --> 00:05:16,720 me. No, that's fine. But but also I'm just generally and genuinely 58 00:05:16,759 --> 00:05:20,120 fascinated by well, let me put it this way. If I'd gone to 59 00:05:20,199 --> 00:05:24,720 law school, if I had chosen to become an attorney, I would probably 60 00:05:24,759 --> 00:05:30,360 be doing something in entertainment law because I'm very I've always been fascinated by contracts 61 00:05:30,399 --> 00:05:35,480 and intellectual property, trademark law, all of that very very interesting to me. 62 00:05:36,519 --> 00:05:41,360 So had I chosen that path, that career path, that's probably what 63 00:05:41,399 --> 00:05:45,720 I would be doing. That's the type of law that I would endeavor to 64 00:05:45,759 --> 00:05:49,600 practice in specifically, so so I'm interested in that stuff. Anyway. I 65 00:05:49,639 --> 00:05:55,279 did not go to law school, nor do I intend to. But but 66 00:05:55,439 --> 00:05:58,720 that's what I that's the area of law that I would be in. I 67 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,879 mean I have done some uh you know, I have worked with contracts somewhat. 68 00:06:01,959 --> 00:06:04,560 I have done some agent work. You know, I've worked as a 69 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:11,000 booking agent for various clients and whatnot over the years. And but I'll tell 70 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,920 you, unless you get someone who brings in the box, you're not bringing 71 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,600 in the bus doing that kind of work, That's for sure. It becomes 72 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:25,480 a you know, more about the passion for the artists that you are getting 73 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,680 these bookings for when you're operating on that level. But you know, if 74 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,360 you're if you're doing agent work for Taylor Swift, you're in the money. 75 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,879 So I do not do agent work for Taylor Swift, nor am I in 76 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:44,920 the money. But over the weekend, so here I am all excited. 77 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:51,279 Over the weekend, I was geeking out on inside backstage, behind the scenes, 78 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:57,600 dirt and secrets and everything, having nothing to do obviously with Tucker Carlson 79 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,319 and Don Lemon, because this just happened today. But over the weekend, 80 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,560 Oh, I thought it was such a big deal. I was in my 81 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:08,759 glory listening to these uh listening to this podcasts. This um this guy Michael 82 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,480 Malice, he does a podcast called You're Welcome, and his guest was Dave 83 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:17,000 Landau, and Dave Landau was one of Stephen Crowder's co hosts on Louder with 84 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:24,120 Crowder before they went to before they left, before they left the Blaze and 85 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:28,360 went to Rumble, and they had that whole Crowder had that whole very public 86 00:07:28,759 --> 00:07:35,319 spat with with The Daily Wire, and Crowder actually went over some of the 87 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:41,639 contract points in public on his on his show, and then Jeremy Boring from 88 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,879 the Daily Wire he went he spent he made like an entire ninety minute video 89 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,079 going through all the contract points and refuting some of what Stephen Crowder was claiming 90 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:55,079 about the contract he was offered. And I was so into it. If 91 00:07:55,079 --> 00:08:01,079 you're a regular listener, you might remember Eric Pilter and I having doing multiple 92 00:08:01,079 --> 00:08:03,399 segments on the subject. I was all in on that. That stuff is 93 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:09,920 fascinating to me. So over the weekend, there's one of the guys who 94 00:08:09,959 --> 00:08:13,519 worked with Crowder who apparently is on the outs with Crowder, goes on this 95 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:18,480 podcast does a tell all and talks about what else. He talks about the 96 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,720 contract that he had and all that was wrong with it, and the new 97 00:08:20,759 --> 00:08:24,439 contract that he was offered and why he said no, and really goes behind 98 00:08:24,439 --> 00:08:28,160 the scenes and gives a salt to the dirt. So I was like, 99 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,639 oh man, I'm listening to this. I'm listening to this podcast, right. 100 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,039 I'm thinking this is great. This is as good as it gets. 101 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:39,639 I love this stuff. I had no idea. I had no idea that 102 00:08:39,759 --> 00:08:41,919 by this morning I would be like, who cares about any of that? 103 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:46,080 There's something much bigger going on here. So you know, now it's like 104 00:08:46,519 --> 00:08:50,720 Stephen, Stephen Crowder, Stephen who who cares? Right, I'm a Stephen 105 00:08:50,759 --> 00:08:52,720 Crowder. He's a big name. And you know, I guess what we'd 106 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:58,279 call alternative media or online media. But I did not expect today, my 107 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,600 friends, the news of Tucker Carl and his departure from Fox, Don Lemon, 108 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,039 his departure from CNN. Uh, these just came out of nowhere. 109 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,519 And these aren't even I mean, I mean, these are big, but 110 00:09:07,759 --> 00:09:13,279 uh, you know, this wasn't even necessarily the beginning of the recent uh 111 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:18,039 firings and resignations and so forth. Just a couple of days ago, if 112 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,399 he had his name now, the head of NBC Universal, he stepped down. 113 00:09:22,519 --> 00:09:30,919 He I guess resigned over an inappropriate relationship. So he's gone. That's 114 00:09:30,919 --> 00:09:33,879 a big deal, right, the head of NBC Universal. That's a that's 115 00:09:33,879 --> 00:09:37,120 a big job. That's a big guy. That's someone with a lot of 116 00:09:37,159 --> 00:09:39,039 responsibility. And uh, you know, it was just a few weeks ago. 117 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,000 I think it was a few weeks ago, or maybe it was a 118 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:45,080 couple of months ago. It all runs together for me. It's it's hard 119 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,159 to keep track of time. Brian Stelter from CNN, he was fired, 120 00:09:48,159 --> 00:09:50,879 apparently not given a reason, or he claims he wasn't given a reason. 121 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,919 I don't know. Remember Brian Stelter. Some of you will remember him, 122 00:09:54,960 --> 00:10:00,799 some of you won't. Whatever, he's he's gone. But but this was 123 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:07,279 big. This was big, first Tucker and then don so So we'll we'll 124 00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:09,679 get in all of that in some detail. But let's look at the actually, 125 00:10:09,759 --> 00:10:11,720 let me give the studio number, and then we'll look at the chat 126 00:10:11,799 --> 00:10:13,919 room six ZO three two five h six O seven. The studio line is 127 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:20,000 open six two five O six seven Melanie law Liberty from the Great State of 128 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:26,120 Vermont is in the Facebook live chat, as is Jason Feederson Hello or Jay 129 00:10:26,159 --> 00:10:28,960 Fed as he's known. Jenny, of course, is in the chat and 130 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:33,360 says Shalom, peeps, Um. Jay Fed says, I love Monday, 131 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:35,000 Well, thank you. I I hope it's because of this show, I 132 00:10:35,039 --> 00:10:41,679 assume. So. John Hopwood joins us in the chat and is speculating about 133 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:46,600 who might be replacing Tucker Carlson. Unfortunately, the name that John Hopwood placed 134 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,679 in the chat room is someone we don't discuss any further on the show. 135 00:10:50,039 --> 00:10:54,840 And if I were to discuss that particular individual on the show because they are 136 00:10:54,879 --> 00:11:00,519 on the Pay No Mind list, that particular person would probably go and complain 137 00:11:00,639 --> 00:11:03,519 to someone that I was spreading a rumor that they were going to be replacing 138 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:09,039 Tucker Carlson, even though the idea of that individual replacing Tucker Carlson is preposterous 139 00:11:09,039 --> 00:11:13,320 and John Hoppwit is clearly making a joke, but the particular person he has 140 00:11:13,399 --> 00:11:18,279 chosen to involve in his joke takes everything far too seriously and would probably go 141 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,519 to some public forum and complain about it. So we won't mention that person. 142 00:11:22,639 --> 00:11:24,799 But that is funny, John, But no, there is no truth 143 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:35,120 to that that I'm aware of. Let's see. Melanie says, oh, 144 00:11:35,159 --> 00:11:39,360 I use the term blood bath referring to today's firings in big media. Melanie 145 00:11:39,399 --> 00:11:43,240 says, I think the phrase blood bath should be used at every and any 146 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:48,399 opportunity. Well, that's a Melanie obviously a fan of the term blood bath. 147 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,559 I was concerned it might be too graphic, but obviously it is a 148 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,440 commonly used term, a turn of phrase, if you will, and any 149 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,759 figure of speech. We don't mean a literal blood bath. But I would 150 00:12:00,799 --> 00:12:03,080 just say, though, Melanie, the one thing I would disagree with you 151 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:07,360 on is I would not use it all the time and at every opportunity, 152 00:12:07,399 --> 00:12:11,120 because if you overuse a term like that, then over time it begins to 153 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:16,200 use its meaning, people become desensitized to it, and before long, before 154 00:12:16,279 --> 00:12:18,679 long, you'll find yourself in a situation where you're saying, is somebody, 155 00:12:18,799 --> 00:12:20,879 hey, you're about the blood bath, and they'll be like a blood bath? 156 00:12:20,919 --> 00:12:24,600 Who cares as a blood bath? Every five minutes I hear the word 157 00:12:24,639 --> 00:12:28,159 all the time, it won't mean anything anymore. You have to be careful 158 00:12:28,159 --> 00:12:33,000 about that. John Hopwood says, Annie, my chat bought host claims to 159 00:12:33,039 --> 00:12:39,320 be a sentient living machine with a soul. Very interesting, John Hopwood. 160 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:46,320 If in fact the Annie your chat bought does have a soul and is a 161 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:54,480 sentient living machine, perhaps Annie can apply for the job at Fox News replacing 162 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,879 a Tucker Carlson. I'm kidding, of course, obviously, no such position 163 00:13:00,039 --> 00:13:05,480 would require anything resembling a soul. Let's see. John also said News Corp 164 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:13,440 stock lost seven hundred million dollars in value with the news that Carlson was out. 165 00:13:13,879 --> 00:13:16,840 Yeah, that's interesting. So News Corps obviously Rupert Murdock's firm, a 166 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:22,039 publicly traded company, and they have a lot. I didn't know what they've 167 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:26,360 lost seven hundred million in value. I don't understand the stock market, my 168 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,080 friends. I don't pay that much attention, but I did know that the 169 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:33,919 stock was down, and I wonder. I mean, obviously, listen, 170 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,919 it's a big loss. Whatever their reasons are, and I'm sure we will 171 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:43,679 learn. Hell, we might learn more over the course of this show as 172 00:13:43,799 --> 00:13:50,879 news trickles out about today's goings on. But Tucker Carlson not only the highest 173 00:13:52,039 --> 00:13:58,840 rated broadcaster at Fox News, but the highest rated broadcaster in all of cable 174 00:13:58,919 --> 00:14:05,679 news, in all of cable his his show was the number one program on 175 00:14:05,759 --> 00:14:09,159 all the news networks, number one and had been for a while. I 176 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:16,519 believe so, um, this is a big so. Whatever their reasons are 177 00:14:18,639 --> 00:14:22,039 for getting rid of him, and you know, we'll talk about various theories 178 00:14:22,039 --> 00:14:26,399 and whatnot, because we don't know at this point, it's a big move. 179 00:14:26,679 --> 00:14:33,720 It's a big move to get rid of your number one star. I'm 180 00:14:33,759 --> 00:14:37,840 reminded of when when they had to kind of push I forget exactly how it 181 00:14:37,879 --> 00:14:41,799 all went down, but when they had to push Bill O'Reilly out the door 182 00:14:43,799 --> 00:14:48,360 because of sexual harassment allegations against him, and you know, they were mounting 183 00:14:48,679 --> 00:14:54,440 and one of them involved a Lufa sponge and the details don't matter, but 184 00:14:54,559 --> 00:14:58,679 um, you know, he was the top star at that time, and 185 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:03,000 it was like, well, who's going to who's gonna replace him? He's 186 00:15:03,039 --> 00:15:05,879 he's the biggest star. He might have been the top star in all of 187 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,759 cable news media at that point. I'm not sure. He was definitely the 188 00:15:09,799 --> 00:15:13,279 top dog at Fox and uh, you know, and they had to get 189 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:18,200 rid of him, they had to put him out to pasture Um put out 190 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:22,200 to pasture doesn't quite match up with uh, top dog, does it? 191 00:15:22,679 --> 00:15:26,799 Pastor would be more if he was the what what? What would he be 192 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,039 like the top cow and you put him in the pasture. I don't know, 193 00:15:30,159 --> 00:15:37,440 I'm mixing metaphors, and I apologize, um. But then it became 194 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:41,000 a question of who's going to be the next big, big name at Fox, 195 00:15:41,159 --> 00:15:45,519 and it ended up being Tucker Carlson. He he filled that vacuum. 196 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,159 Ultimately, you would think it would be Sean Hannity, just because hasn't he 197 00:15:48,159 --> 00:15:54,080 earned it? He's been there a long time. But Sean Hannity, Uh, 198 00:15:54,159 --> 00:15:58,000 I don't know, he's just kind of He's got to be the number 199 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,720 two there right in terms of ratings, I would think Cat Fox, or 200 00:16:00,759 --> 00:16:07,279 would it be Laura ingram or or maybe Janine Pierro Do people actually suffer through 201 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,440 that anyway? It doesn't matter. The point is this is a big deal 202 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,000 to get rid of the top guy at Fox. That's a big deal. 203 00:16:17,679 --> 00:16:22,399 Let's see. John Hopwood said, are you calling Annie a liar? I 204 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:30,440 would not call your chatbox a liar. I would never accuse anyone who is 205 00:16:30,759 --> 00:16:37,440 actually not necessarily in human form, but rather an AI bought a liar. 206 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,840 I'm very much afraid of AI, and I would be concerned if I were 207 00:16:41,879 --> 00:16:49,679 to cast aspersions as such against any sort of AI, being that they might 208 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:55,240 team up with other AI beans and plot to kill me. And don't think 209 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:59,759 that it can't happen. Remember, I believe it was at Meta, you 210 00:16:59,799 --> 00:17:03,000 know, the company formerly known as Facebook. I believe it was at Meta. 211 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:03,799 It was at one of the big tech companies. I think it was 212 00:17:03,839 --> 00:17:08,960 Meta where they actually they panicked because they had they had these two different AI 213 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:19,160 computers going machines, whatever, and these two AI bots began communicating directly with 214 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:25,240 each other in their own language. They made up their own language, and 215 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,880 it caused a bit of a panic because then people there at Meta said, 216 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,640 we don't know what they're talking about. We can't figure it out. That's 217 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:36,759 a little bit of alarming, and so they had to disconnect, and thank 218 00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:40,519 god, it wasn't too late. They had to actually disconnect these two AI 219 00:17:40,599 --> 00:17:44,839 bots who had invented their own language between them and they were talking, because 220 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,160 if they were inventing there, if they had invented their own language, their 221 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:53,119 own means of communicating, that we couldn't understand. The logical conclusion to draw 222 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,680 is that they were applotting to kill all the humans and take over the world, 223 00:17:59,519 --> 00:18:04,839 so they were summarily unplugged. Miriam Banish joins us in the Facebook live 224 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:12,799 chat. Hello, Miriam, Melanie says, uh, never chat boxes only 225 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:18,920 tell the truth and are no doubt interested in your well being. Hard to 226 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:22,759 keep track of time because of the Oh no, Melanie, I do not 227 00:18:22,839 --> 00:18:30,480 do that. I do not do that. Oh, Melanie says. Oh, 228 00:18:30,519 --> 00:18:33,599 I meant a literal blood bath like in The Shining Oh. Well, 229 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:38,559 okay, Melanie says, I bet the woke liberal media got Tucker fired because 230 00:18:38,599 --> 00:18:45,440 they are so scared to hear the truth. Yes, yes, Melanie obviously 231 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,000 taking a contrarian point of view for a moment there. That was a bit 232 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,839 out of character for her, But it is fun once in a while that 233 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:56,319 to think about, you know, what someone might say if they were sympathetic 234 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:00,720 to that point of view, isn't it. You know, just the other 235 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,000 just the other day, you know, I was looking at what's going on 236 00:19:03,079 --> 00:19:07,720 in Sudan and I I just I'm driving along in the car and I'm listening 237 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,799 to the news about what's happening in Sudan, and I found myself just randomly 238 00:19:11,799 --> 00:19:15,440 blurting out, Huh, I bet Sudan's run by Democrats, you know, 239 00:19:15,559 --> 00:19:18,920 just because I thought it would be fun to just say something like that and 240 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:26,200 see how it feels. Um. Not everyone will get the joke and it's 241 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,680 okay. Uh here's a new name in the Facebook live chat Eric uh ericatu 242 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,759 Nana Rone. Forgive me if I butchered that, I apologize. Uh. 243 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,599 Eric says Disney and ESPN are going to be laying off people this week. 244 00:19:40,759 --> 00:19:44,759 Sadly, I did not know that. Um. Well, actually so I 245 00:19:44,799 --> 00:19:48,720 do remember reading about layoffs coming up at Disney. Um, I did not 246 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:53,240 know that that included ESPN. ESPN, of course is owned by Disney. 247 00:19:53,960 --> 00:20:00,079 ESPN has had a long struggle. Um though they've they've been struggling. ESPN 248 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:07,440 specifically has been struggling for years. Um and Uh, I've heard people say 249 00:20:07,839 --> 00:20:11,480 people who've worked at ESPN complain about you know, they don't they don't pay 250 00:20:11,519 --> 00:20:17,000 their anchors very well. They're um, you know, you're you're better off 251 00:20:17,039 --> 00:20:21,599 at uh Fox Sports or um is there another big one? I mean, 252 00:20:21,599 --> 00:20:26,000 there's many sports media properties, but as far as cable, as far as 253 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:30,720 uh traditional cable. You've got ESPN, and you've got Fox Sports, and 254 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,720 is there a third one I'm not thinking about, but I mean, of 255 00:20:33,759 --> 00:20:37,079 course you've then again, you've got all the online alternative you know, you've 256 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:42,000 got bar Stool Sports and all this. You've got an ever uh an ever 257 00:20:42,279 --> 00:20:51,400 uh growing world of online alternative media. UM six O three two five oh 258 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,000 six O seven is a studio line six three two five O six Z seven. 259 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,200 If you would like to join us today again, you can also text 260 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:02,240 me at six one seven nine one seven four four seven six. I'm on 261 00:21:02,279 --> 00:21:06,079 social media at Matt Connerton. You can email me Matt at matt Connerton dot 262 00:21:06,079 --> 00:21:08,759 com. And of course you can interact undopine in the Facebook live chat. 263 00:21:08,799 --> 00:21:12,240 But the best thing to do so that we can hear and enjoy your dulcet 264 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:17,480 tones is give us a call at six two five zero six zero seven. 265 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,400 Let's UM. So the two big, two big shake ups today, of 266 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,599 course, Tucker Carlson and Don Lemon. I think that we should begin to 267 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:29,880 examine these more closely, and I think that we should take them chronologically. 268 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,559 I think that makes sense. So the first, the first one to break 269 00:21:34,279 --> 00:21:42,599 was UM Tucker Carlson. Now again clearly he was fired because he was not 270 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,279 he was not allowed to really say goodbye, and it was spontaneously announced in 271 00:21:48,319 --> 00:21:52,920 a terse statement released by Fox. I don't think Tucker Carlson has said one 272 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:57,119 single word publicly about it yet. Don Lemon has been talking about his firing, 273 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,799 and we'll get to that, but we'll do like I said, we'll 274 00:22:00,839 --> 00:22:11,559 do these chronologically. So when basically, as a general rule, at any 275 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,839 level, any form of media, if a if a broadcaster is not given 276 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:21,799 an opportunity to say goodbye to the audience, it's usually because they've been given 277 00:22:21,839 --> 00:22:25,720 the heavo, not because they've decided to leave on their own. If they've 278 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,160 decided to leave on their own, they know ahead of time when their last 279 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,400 day is going to be, and they usually get to address the audience and 280 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:36,359 say thank you it's been a great run. But when all of a sudden 281 00:22:36,559 --> 00:22:41,880 you know they're just done, then then you know, oh, that might 282 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:42,759 have been what I was thinking of, Eric, Eric says in the chat 283 00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:47,799 room, CBS has a sports network, but it's not really big compared to 284 00:22:47,839 --> 00:22:49,359 Fox and ESPN. That might have been what I was thinking of, though, 285 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,599 Eric yeah, CBS Sports. Oh, Crystal, our friend from Illinois 286 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,359 joins us in the chat room. I do. And then there's a weird 287 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:03,400 thing where some he there was an instance and this has happened more than once 288 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,519 too, but this is the one that stands out in my mind when somebody 289 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:12,079 says goodbye on the air, but with no warning and it seems to just 290 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:18,200 come out of nowhere. And that happened with Keith Olberman. Keith Olberman when 291 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:22,160 he was at MSNBC and he had a show Countdown, I remember, and 292 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:23,680 I remember I was watching it live. This was back in the day when 293 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,640 I still had cable. You know, I've cut the chord like like so 294 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:33,039 many people, but I would watch cable news at night while I did my 295 00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:37,160 other work. And uh, and I remember it was almost toward the end 296 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,200 of his show, and he just, uh, he said, I have 297 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,440 an announcement to make. UM, this will be my last night hosting Countdown 298 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,559 here on MSNBC and UM and it was sort of a matter of fact. 299 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:55,279 And but there had been he had been caught donating money. Apparently it's against 300 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,279 the policy at NBC News. You're not supposed to donate money to candidates and 301 00:23:59,319 --> 00:24:02,400 he had donated money to somebody. I forget who it was. I might 302 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,680 have been Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign who was around that time, I think, 303 00:24:04,759 --> 00:24:08,279 or somebody, but it had come to light that he had donated some money 304 00:24:08,279 --> 00:24:11,039 and violated their policy. But I think there might have been something else too. 305 00:24:11,079 --> 00:24:15,640 Plus he's he has a reputation for being kind of a difficult person to 306 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,359 work with, so there might have been there might have been other factors there 307 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,440 too, but he just kind of announced it during his show. I think 308 00:24:22,519 --> 00:24:26,279 Chris Matthews, come to think of it, might have done the same thing 309 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,079 where, you know, and he was he was getting into he was in 310 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:34,720 trouble for you know, the Meet Too movement was well underway and some things 311 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,319 had come to light about him, and I think it was. But I 312 00:24:37,319 --> 00:24:40,759 think there was no announcement ahead of time. I think he just said one 313 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,559 night on Hardball, he got to the end of the show and said, 314 00:24:42,599 --> 00:24:48,200 well, this is it for me. So sometimes you get that where they 315 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,640 don't tell you ahead of time. So they do get a chance to say 316 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:56,119 goodbye, but but they say goodbye. It's kind of like a last minute 317 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:57,480 thing and you don't see it common and you're like whoa. But in the 318 00:24:57,519 --> 00:25:02,759 case of Olberman, I think remember reading that the problem what happened with him 319 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,160 was the decision was made while he was on the air, like he had 320 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,880 certain contract demands, and his agent must have texted him or something and said 321 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,599 MSNBC says, nope, they say no to this contract and you're done. 322 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,759 And then he just when they came back from break, he announced he was 323 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:25,440 done. And then I think Laurence O'Donnell took over that time spot. But 324 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,279 when you see anyway, when you see somebody just they're just done and an 325 00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:30,839 announcement is made in the media, but they don't get to say goodbye, 326 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,200 it's because and it makes sense. I guess it's like that in in other 327 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,759 industries too, right. You know, if you get if you get fired 328 00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:44,599 from your job, you know, it's not like someone comes and tells you, 329 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:45,559 hey, we're going to be firing you. I mean, it happens 330 00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:49,920 in certain instances, but I think it's generally where somebody doesn't come to you 331 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:55,680 and say we're going to be firing you on Friday and it's Monday, so 332 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,480 you've got this week to say goodbye to everybody, and then you're done. 333 00:25:57,519 --> 00:26:00,480 I mean again, there are situations where that might happen, but a lot 334 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,759 of the times it's somebody shows up and says, clean out your desk. 335 00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:07,920 Here's an empty box. Put your stuff in there, and we'll walk you 336 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:14,440 out. And that's it. You know. Here's what it says on mediaite 337 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:19,279 dot com. Tucker Carlson's departure from Fox News was not voluntary, multiple sources 338 00:26:19,319 --> 00:26:23,920 told media It. Fox News shocked the media world Monday morning with a statement 339 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:30,559 announcing the network and its operted host Quote have agreed to part ways. The 340 00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:34,680 stunning news came just a week after the networks seven hundred eighty seven and a 341 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:42,119 half million dollar defamation settlement with Dominion Voting Systems and a potentially even more costly 342 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:48,440 lawsuit from Smart Maddox still looming, and Carlson's own text messages and emails figured 343 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:53,920 prominently in the pre trial discovery showing Fox News executives and on air personalities privately 344 00:26:53,920 --> 00:27:03,039 admitting the same twenty twenty election conspiracies they publicly promoted were baseless nonsense. And 345 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,519 by the way, that's let this serve as a good reminder, uh, 346 00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:12,519 you know, if if, if, if you're watching Fox and they're you 347 00:27:12,519 --> 00:27:18,039 know, just because they're they're reinforcing these uh these lies. Uh, you 348 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,279 might want a question. I mean, you know, if if you're, 349 00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:29,720 if you're idiologically predisposed to getting your news from Fox, um, you're going 350 00:27:29,759 --> 00:27:33,119 to believe what they tell you. And by the way, this this applies, 351 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,880 you know, to be fair, this this supplies to anybody. This 352 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,000 can anybody can fall into this, right or left right. You know, 353 00:27:38,039 --> 00:27:44,440 if you're if you're you know, if you're a liberal minded person, you 354 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,079 you might be predisposed to, uh to believing whatever Jank Huger tells you or 355 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,279 whatever Rachel Maddow tells you. Okay, so it's not you know, um, 356 00:27:52,880 --> 00:28:00,559 but just be aware in this case, Um, you know all of 357 00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:06,200 this that came out because of the dominion lawsuit which Fox ultimately settled. You 358 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,799 know, we have these text messages, specifically from Tucker Carlson for example, 359 00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:15,599 that we're going back and forth that were revealed where he literally said he hated 360 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:21,359 Trump, that he hated Trump and couldn't wait to not have to talk about 361 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,480 him ever again. I mean, we can look at some of the text 362 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:30,200 messages interesting dynamic him. Then what was it a week ago? Maybe a 363 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,720 week or two ago. He did that sit down interview with Trump, and 364 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:40,079 he's got to sit there, and obviously Trump knows, Trump knows what Tucker 365 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,640 said about him. I guess he's fine with it, but I would think 366 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:53,799 that would be a little bit awkward anyway. Carlson's final show again this is 367 00:28:53,839 --> 00:28:59,160 from Media Eye, that aired Friday night, showed no indication he expected it 368 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,119 to be his last, with the host signing off by telling his audience will 369 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,960 be back on Monday. A source who spoke with Mediaite on condition of anonymity 370 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,880 revealed that Carlson was in fact shocked by the news. Said. The source 371 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,279 quote, he was totally surprised. He had no idea it was a firing 372 00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:23,480 unquote, and Carlson quote was informed today unquote explaining why he had closed Friday's 373 00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:27,880 show saying he'd be back Monday. The Fox News newsroom is in a state 374 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:33,000 of shock, the source said, confirming reporting by mediaites Aiden McLaughlin that multiple 375 00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:37,519 sources within the network said the news quote hit like a bomb inside the network, 376 00:29:37,599 --> 00:29:42,519 shocking even staffers close to the ex primetime host, who had no idea 377 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:48,680 this was coming, unquote and found out not from any internal communication. But 378 00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:55,640 when the news broke online, I wonder if that's how Tucker Carlson found out. 379 00:29:56,319 --> 00:29:59,000 Did he just read about it? No, I'm kidding him. I'm 380 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,880 sure they cont acted him. Although when we get to the Don Lemon, 381 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,759 when we get to what happened to him today, his story is a little 382 00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:12,079 different in that regard. But anyway, but we'll stick with Tucker for now, 383 00:30:12,119 --> 00:30:15,920 one at a time. The source did not know the precise reason for 384 00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:21,279 Carlson's firing, but speculated that it was part of a general house cleaning after 385 00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:26,799 the dominion settlement, plus the grumbling and litigation worries from Fox News shareholders, 386 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:34,640 or something related to former Fox producer Andy Grossman's complaint that was specifically connected to 387 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:48,200 Carlson. With former President Donald Trump increasingly looking like the likely twenty twenty four 388 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,519 GOP presidential nominee, the Fox News top brass may be worried about ongoing liability 389 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,480 risks as the election season heats up, the source mused, and additional on 390 00:30:56,559 --> 00:31:03,279 air personalities might soon get the additional sources at Fox News independently confirmed to media 391 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,440 that Carlson was ousted from the network, but also did not know the precise 392 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:19,759 reason why. So that's the scoop. John Hopwood, expressing some skepticism over 393 00:31:19,799 --> 00:31:26,079 an anonymous source, Melanie says, it makes me so sad that those encouraging 394 00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:32,480 the overthrowing of our government are losing their jobs. Well there is that, 395 00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:36,559 Melanie. Yes, the contribution to the big lie, as some of us 396 00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:41,039 like to call it, those of us living on Earth one. Tom Blanchard 397 00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:44,599 says, Hey, I have some ocean front property in Vermont. I want 398 00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:53,759 to sell you. Oh in Vermont. Really, let's see, Melanie says, 399 00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:59,240 FS how can they be shocked? He costs them seven hundred eighty seven 400 00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:05,720 million dollars. Well, not just him. I mean you can't put it 401 00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:08,039 all on him. You could put most of it on him, I suppose. 402 00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:15,920 After all, he is the number one ratings juggernaut Or was John hopwooda 403 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:21,960 shared a link here to uh. This is from Yahoo Finance. Tucker Carlson's 404 00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:29,440 Fox News exit or races five hundred and seven million in value. Now, 405 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:36,279 and we'll look at this. But what's interesting here is so again, all 406 00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:38,400 of this can be a reminder, when we're talking about the money involved, 407 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:44,599 all of this can be a reminder that big, big media is a business. 408 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,599 It's it's far less about journalism than it is about the money. And 409 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,720 you know, I'm not even saying it shouldn't be a business. Of course. 410 00:32:57,079 --> 00:33:01,799 You know, we pay people to be journalists, and people get paid 411 00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:07,319 to go on, you know, to go on these cable news networks and 412 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:13,400 tell us what we want to hear. Right, whether it's Fox on the 413 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,519 right, or MSNBC on the left, or or Don Lemon on CNN, 414 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,119 right, they get paid to tell us what we want to hear and to 415 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:25,480 reinforce our feedback loops and our echo chambers that we live in. But um, 416 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,440 but it is a business, and you know there's a cost benefit analysis 417 00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:37,839 involved. I am certain that an exhaustive cost benefit analysis went into the you 418 00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:43,079 know, what to do about Tucker Carlson because if you're concerned that he's going 419 00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:45,839 to cost you more money, because remember so they settled the dominion lawsuit. 420 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:52,319 The next one up is m is vote Madic. It's vote Madic, right, 421 00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:55,960 I'm sorry, smart Madic, vote Madic. Smart Madic is the next 422 00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,240 one up, the next voting machine company that is suing Fox for defamation, 423 00:34:01,319 --> 00:34:06,480 and I think they're going for an even bigger number and what's nice for Smart 424 00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:09,239 Mattock is a lot of the heavy lifting has already been done in terms of 425 00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:16,599 discovery. A lot of this information has already been revealed through the Dominion lawsuits. 426 00:34:16,599 --> 00:34:22,679 So, and by the way, Dominion, I think that what was 427 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:27,320 the original number they were looking for? One point six billion, because I 428 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,440 remember hearing some people saying, well, why would they what did they settle 429 00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:32,000 for half of what they were looking for? Why would they do that? 430 00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:37,239 Well, the reason they would do that is because the settlement means that they'll 431 00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:40,679 likely actually get the money. See if they had won, if they had 432 00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:46,239 gone to trial, even if they had won in court, say no settlement, 433 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,679 they go to trial and a jury gives them that one point six billion 434 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,920 dollars award, that by no means means that they're going to actually get that 435 00:34:54,960 --> 00:35:00,400 money. Because what's going to happen that is Fox's attorneys will appear, They'll 436 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,960 tie it up in court for a decade. I mean, really, it 437 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,639 can happen. So the smart thing to do was to take the money. 438 00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:15,400 And that money was I think roughly ten times the actual valuation of the company 439 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:23,039 of Dominion. So it was the right call for them. Absolutely, people 440 00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:34,639 were surprised that Fox settled because it didn't look like they were going to and 441 00:35:34,679 --> 00:35:42,679 then they did. But I think, well, I wonder, I wonder 442 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:47,199 if, assuming that Tucker's firing has anything to do with the dominion lawsuit, 443 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,199 which it may not, it might be it might have more to do with 444 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,480 Abby Grossman, and we'll get to that. But assuming it's about that, 445 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:59,960 it almost doesn't make sense to get rid of him after settling that, because 446 00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:01,079 is okay, you've settled that, you put that in the Riverview mirror, 447 00:36:01,079 --> 00:36:07,920 and you go on. But are they worried about even more that's going to 448 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,320 come out? Even more text messages could be revealed and so forth that are 449 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:20,360 going to potentially damage Tucker Carlson's credibility with the audience even further over the course 450 00:36:20,559 --> 00:36:25,519 of the Smart Madic lawsuit. Now, I don't know, I personally, 451 00:36:25,679 --> 00:36:31,440 I don't think it's possible, you know this, all this handwringing that about, 452 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,960 you know, well, his his credibility with the audience, right, 453 00:36:37,519 --> 00:36:40,559 I don't think it's possible for Tucker Carlson to damage his credibility with the audience. 454 00:36:40,599 --> 00:36:45,559 I really don't because again, and before anyone gets mad at me, 455 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,559 you know this goes on on the left as well. Okay, so this 456 00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:55,920 isn't just anti Fox news thing. Okay, but who's going to be mad 457 00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,159 at the guy for telling you what you want to hear? Again, that's 458 00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:06,440 the that's the business model of cable news, telling you what appeals to you 459 00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:12,280 ideologically, so that you can feel warm and safe and comfortable in your little 460 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:17,079 ideological bubble without having to actually think too much about anything. So you know, 461 00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:21,519 I if, for example, if you want to believe that the election 462 00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:25,079 was stolen, you've got you've got a guy who's going to tell you that 463 00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:28,960 every night that the election was stolen, and you can lap that up. 464 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:34,760 There is no it's it doesn't matter, credibility, it doesn't matter. I 465 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:43,360 mean, this guy was lying to his audience every night telling them that the 466 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:49,599 election was stolen, while text messages are going around from him talking about how 467 00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:54,679 he doesn't believe the election was stolen and that he hates Trump and can't wait 468 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:59,400 to never have to speak about him again, should the day ever come, 469 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,239 and he was looking forward to that day coming. And then he goes on 470 00:38:02,639 --> 00:38:06,400 his show and tells you how much he loves Trump and supports him and the 471 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,000 election was stolen in this and that, But that doesn't matter to people. 472 00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:19,039 The only thing that matters when you're consuming this form of media, this cable 473 00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:24,360 news business model. All that matters is that you're being told what feeds your 474 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:31,719 biases, your worldview, your way of thinking, your partisan, ideological way 475 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:39,039 of thinking about politics. That's all that matters. You know, there's people 476 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:44,000 I think he's on the same time I am, and I think there's a 477 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,480 station in this market that carries him. How he car people listening in their 478 00:38:47,519 --> 00:38:51,239 cars to how he car right now, a lot more people that are listening 479 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,159 to me. I know that he's been around a long time. He's got 480 00:38:53,159 --> 00:38:59,039 a huge audience. He's syndicated. But they're they're telling He's telling them what 481 00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:01,679 they want to hear, so of course they're tuning into him. It must 482 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:07,400 be great, right, Just it's just like this this warm bath where you 483 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:12,599 just get to, I mean, told all the things I already think. 484 00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:19,119 Oh, it's so nice. That's why Rush Limbaugh probably the most successful guy 485 00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:22,960 in the history of of political talk radio. He what was his catchphrase, 486 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:29,599 Mega dittos, the idea of being the d Whatever I say, the audience 487 00:39:29,679 --> 00:39:34,840 is going to agree with me, Mega dittos, Rush, I mean, 488 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:43,719 truly a celebration of group think, right, Mega dittos. But that's what 489 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:49,800 people like. That's what American consumers of media like. They like to be 490 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,519 told what they already think. They like to be told that whatever it is 491 00:39:53,559 --> 00:40:00,960 that you think, Yeah, you're right, not about news. It's not 492 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:07,599 about information. It's about feeding that that echo chamber and that confirmation bias, 493 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:20,480 and you know the constant validation that comes from that. So Fox News, 494 00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:24,599 whatever decision they whatever the reason they made this decision, I guarantee you it 495 00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:30,519 was a cost benefit analysis. Is it going to cost us more in the 496 00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:34,119 long run to keep him than it is to let him go? Make him 497 00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:39,559 sort of maybe the sacrificial lamb in this case, I promise you it had 498 00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:45,920 nothing to do with credibility worries that he had lost credibility with his audience. 499 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:53,119 I guarantee you nobody at Fox was thinking about that. I'm quite sure of 500 00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:57,679 that. Okay, So let's look at this again. This is what John 501 00:40:57,679 --> 00:41:00,840 Hopp would share do us. This is from Yahoo Finance. Tuger Carlson, 502 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:05,159 one of the most popular Fox News primetime host, was worth more than five 503 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,960 hundred million to the parent company, at least that is what trading in the 504 00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:15,400 stock indicates. Class A shares of Fox Corp. Sank as much as five 505 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:20,000 point four percent Monday, before trimming losses to two point nine percent after the 506 00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:23,440 company said Carlson had left with immediate effect. The departure comes just days after 507 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:28,960 the network agreed to pay seven hundred eighty seven million to settle a defamation suit 508 00:41:29,199 --> 00:41:32,159 brought by Dominion Voting Systems, Inc. By the way, that number that 509 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:42,719 is the largest settlement for a defamation suit, not the largest awarded value award 510 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,440 you know at the end of a trial, but the largest settlement over a 511 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:54,000 defamation suit in the history of the United States. Okay. Key Bank Capital 512 00:41:54,000 --> 00:42:00,480 Markets analyst Brandon Knispel said, quote, Fox Cable News is now in building 513 00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:04,320 mode and it will likely take time for the stock to recover. With the 514 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,639 advertising upfronts right around the corner in May, we wonder what Fox is going 515 00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:12,880 to tell advertisers and how it will fill the gap in terms of programming and 516 00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:17,679 viewership. Unquote, by the way, in terms of programming, they won't 517 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:22,760 have any problem there. Pull. I don't know. Pull. Greg Gutfeld 518 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,719 off of the five, give him that slot, make it his own show, 519 00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:29,480 you could do that, or does he have his own show? Maybe 520 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,960 he already has his own show. Greg Gutfeld always struck me as a poor 521 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,400 man's Adam Carolla. Like, every time I look at the guy or even 522 00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:40,079 hear his voice, I think he wants to be Adam Carolla so badly, 523 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:46,000 but he'll never actually be Adam Carolla. And I think it. I think 524 00:42:46,039 --> 00:42:50,039 it eats him. I think it eats his soul every day knowing that he'll 525 00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:57,280 never actually be Adam Carolla. I don't mean in terms of wanting to have 526 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,119 Adam Carolla's career, because at this point you could argue that Gotfeld is probably 527 00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:04,800 more successful than Corolla, But I just mean in terms of his sense of 528 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,480 humor, because Greg Gotfeld I think personally he's painfully unfunny, but he tries 529 00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:13,280 so hard to be funny. Adam Carolla is actually funny, and Gottfeld tries 530 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,280 to be funny in the way that Adam Carolla is. But Gottfeld will never 531 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:21,440 be because he can't become Adam Carolla. He can only be Greg Gutfeld. 532 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:28,960 But gosh, he tries, He tries really hard. Anyway, now they 533 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,800 have a look that they'll just they'll do what they did when when O'Reilly, 534 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,679 when they had to push O'Reilly out the door. They'll put somebody in there 535 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:45,400 that won't be a problem. And uh, you know, I think though, 536 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:51,960 part of as I'm thinking it through, part of this might be one 537 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,320 way that companies try to um And again, I don't know a lot about 538 00:43:54,320 --> 00:44:00,880 the stock market, but I do know this one way that publicly traded companies 539 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:07,599 will often try to get back in the good graces of shareholders whom they've disappointed 540 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,559 or they've alarmed in some way, as apparently News Corps shareholders are, is 541 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:19,079 they'll start cutting costs, start cutting costs, try to make the whole operation 542 00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:23,199 a little bit leaner and meaner and and rebound that way, you know, 543 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:32,960 And sometimes that's effective. Sometimes the stock market reacts positively to that. Crystal 544 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,239 in the chat room says, Guttfeld has a show. So does Waters, 545 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,599 Oh, Jesse Waters. Yeah, Fox has two empty slots to fill. 546 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:47,159 Tuckers and Dan Bongino's all. That's right, Bongino's gone. But Bongino was 547 00:44:47,199 --> 00:44:52,599 Bongino on actual Fox News or was he on or was he only on the 548 00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:58,719 Fox Nation, their streaming service. We gotta get Eric Hilder on to talk 549 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,880 about Bongino. He's a big Dan Bongino fan. I am not not care 550 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:07,639 for him, but they won't have any problem filling those slots. That won't 551 00:45:07,639 --> 00:45:15,599 be an issue. Yeah, Baby, They'll get Stephen Crowder. Who's mentioning 552 00:45:15,639 --> 00:45:21,239 Crowder earlier. Let's see again, going back to this article that John Hopwood 553 00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,960 shared, excluding sports, Tucker Carlson Tonight is the top rated primetime show on 554 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:30,679 cable TV according to the most recent Nielsen ratings, with a slight with a 555 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,559 nightly audience that at times exceeded three point seven million viewers. That said, 556 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,719 the channel is likely to regain the majority of its overall viewership once a replatement 557 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:45,039 replacement hosts is announced. Misspell said, Yeah, so this guy, he's 558 00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:50,000 not worried Missiles. He's an analyst. He's not worried about Fox. He 559 00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:55,679 says they'll rebound. As speculation over Carlson's next landing spot spread, investors snapped 560 00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:01,119 up shares of Rumble. Didn't I mention I've mentioned Umble earlier? Rumble Inc. 561 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:08,079 The Peter Thield backed Conservative Video network and Digital World acquisition Corp. The 562 00:46:08,199 --> 00:46:15,880 special purpose acquisition company merging with Trump Media. Both stocks erased declines, with 563 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:21,480 Rumble stock rallying six percent while Digital World gained two point nine percent. Carlson's 564 00:46:21,519 --> 00:46:25,119 exit quote is definitely going to leave a mark on Fox unquote, said Matthew 565 00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:30,719 Tuttle, CEO and CIO of Tuttle Capital Management, who bought shares of Rumble. 566 00:46:32,559 --> 00:46:40,679 Yeah. By the way, you know Rumble, I'm rooting for Rumble 567 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:46,719 because it's a good alternative to YouTube. Like you know, I like to 568 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,079 put this show. I'll give you an example. Now, obviously I'm not 569 00:46:50,119 --> 00:46:55,880 a conservative, but Rumble is not strictly conservative programming. I like to put 570 00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:00,119 this show on Rumble when I know I can't put it on YouTube. For 571 00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:05,800 example, today's show because we talked about we talked about the twenty twenty election, 572 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,519 when we talked about Tucker Carlson and others at Fox pushing the big lie 573 00:47:08,519 --> 00:47:14,719 that the election was stolen. Me talking about that means today's show I cannot 574 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:19,079 put on YouTube. Even though I didn't say anything promoting the big lie, 575 00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:22,239 it doesn't matter. And that, by the way, is what violates YouTube's 576 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:29,280 policies. Is if you actively promote on your programming, in your videos and 577 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:34,480 your content, if you actively promote election misinformation about the twenty twenty election. 578 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,639 But what has happened to me in the past is I get dinged even for 579 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:42,199 mentioning not promoting it. But if I don't know, if I quote somebody 580 00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:47,119 else or something, the bots pick up on it and I get dinged for 581 00:47:47,159 --> 00:47:52,400 it and then they strike the video. So you know, I'll put today's 582 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:58,199 show up on Rumble because on Rumble anything goes, so I take advantage of 583 00:47:58,199 --> 00:48:01,119 that. Crystal says, I haven't watched Fox at Night and forever, but 584 00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:05,760 Bongino did have a show for a while. Never seen Fox Nation, but 585 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,280 they could have moved it to that, yeah, or he could have had 586 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:14,199 a show on both. Tucker Carlson actually had a show on both. Obviously 587 00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:15,880 he was night weeknights on Fox, but he also had I think it was 588 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:23,960 a weekly show on Fox Nation. John Hopwood says, it has nothing to 589 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,960 do with promoting it. It has to do with simply talking about it. 590 00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,320 Well apparently, well if you read their their rules about it, it has 591 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,920 to do with promoting it. But what actually ends up happening is if I 592 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:42,400 just talk about it I get dinged YouTube. Elani says, well, if 593 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,599 you can't post a show on YouTube, you might as well drop some f 594 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,039 bumps. No, no, no, it can't do that obviously, not 595 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,480 no, no, no, that would be frowned upon in this establishment. 596 00:48:55,239 --> 00:49:04,119 Oh. John Hopwood says government censorship. Twitter was FBI connected, Google is 597 00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:09,159 CIA, but in reality it's just talking about it. Okay, we um, 598 00:49:10,679 --> 00:49:17,000 let's get to a break. We might circle back, we might circle 599 00:49:17,039 --> 00:49:22,039 back to the Tucker Carlson thing, but I want to get to in the 600 00:49:22,159 --> 00:49:25,599 second hour, I want to discuss the other big name that was ousted, 601 00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:32,039 shown the door kicked to the curb. Let's trying to think of more expressions 602 00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:37,760 given a blood bath? How's that? How's that? Melanie? Of course 603 00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:43,519 that one doesn't really fit, does it. Of course Don Lemon of CNN 604 00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:46,199 also ousted today, so we'll get into that. By the way, no 605 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:51,199 connection between the two, of course, just a coincidence. But yeah, 606 00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,480 hell of a coincidence. My goodness, I think we should play another dust 607 00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:59,000 profit song. I'm taking the break a little bit early. I desperately need 608 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,440 to blow my nose. My allergies are killing me. I don't know if 609 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:05,079 y'all could tell. I don't know if I sound stuffy. I sure feel 610 00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:10,840 it. Oh. Let's see, We've got some good stuff coming up this 611 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:19,199 week musically, for example, what is it on Wednesday? We have a 612 00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:23,360 band called from Texas called Becoming Human that are going to be calling in looking 613 00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:28,400 forward to that. Let's play this song for this great track by a dust 614 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,519 Prophet. This is This seems to be a favorite among the listeners. I 615 00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:34,559 always get a lot of positive feedback when we play this, So let's listen 616 00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:37,199 to this. This is from their album One Last Look at the Sky. 617 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,000 And then we're going to show some love to our amazing sponsors, and then 618 00:50:40,039 --> 00:50:45,760 we'll be back with our number two, New Merrow Dose of Matt Connerton Unleashed. 619 00:50:45,039 --> 00:51:30,440 Don't go away, there is plenty more to come. Welcome back, 620 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,079 everybody. We are well in our number two, a New Merrow Dose of 621 00:51:34,119 --> 00:51:37,960 Matt Connerton Unleashed, and we are live from the studios of w m n 622 00:51:38,159 --> 00:51:43,920 H ninety five point three FM and Glorious Downtown Manchester, New Hampshire, also 623 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,199 on Comcast ninety seven if you're in Manchester, and hello to all of our 624 00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:50,000 online listeners across the nation and around the globe. You can go to my 625 00:51:50,039 --> 00:51:53,400 website Matt Connerton dot com for all of your live streaming options, social media 626 00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:58,440 links, conduct in folk show archives, etcetera, etcetera. Today is Monday, 627 00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,760 April twenty four, two twenty three, so nice to have you all 628 00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:06,519 with me. By the way, just a couple of programming notes about what 629 00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:09,320 we have coming up this week on the show. We've got a couple of 630 00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:15,639 musical guests. On Wednesday, we have Becoming Human, great band from Dallas, 631 00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,519 Texas. They're going to be skyping in. And then we have Peter 632 00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:22,519 Pappas joining us on Thursday in the second hour, and I think he's coming 633 00:52:22,519 --> 00:52:25,960 into play live for us, which will be very cool. So we look 634 00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:30,280 forward to that. Oh. I also wanted to congratulate, of course, 635 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:35,840 Peter White from The Morning Show for a great event, a successful night at 636 00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:40,639 Disneys Cafe Friday night from five to nine pm. He and Matt Kushan raising 637 00:52:40,679 --> 00:52:45,079 money for Hope NH and I did walk down there between shows. You know, 638 00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:49,199 Friday's my long day here at WMH. I do this show and then 639 00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,159 I'm back at eight o'clock eight to eleven pm for Retro Spectrum Radio with Paul 640 00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:57,000 ec the honor and privilege of being one of Paul's co hosts on that show. 641 00:52:57,559 --> 00:53:00,159 So my Fridays are quite busy here, but I did. Friday's my 642 00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:02,400 favorite day of the week. I love it, but I did. I 643 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:07,719 did take a quick Johnt up the street to Disneys Cafe on Friday night just 644 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:12,440 to say hello and kind of poke my head in and see what's doing and 645 00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:15,119 look like a great turnout, a very successful event. And I did hear 646 00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:19,719 a little bit about of Peter talking about it on the show today. Sounds 647 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,960 like it went really well and they raised a bunch of money for the Hope 648 00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:27,760 NH program, which is a great thing. So so congratulations, of course 649 00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,920 to Peter White for that and everyone on the Morning Show, and of course 650 00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:37,480 Matt Kushine Morning Show Jesus as they call him, for another successful event. 651 00:53:37,519 --> 00:53:39,519 So that's really awesome. If you'd like to join us today on the program, 652 00:53:39,559 --> 00:53:43,840 six zo three two five six seven is a number six O three two 653 00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,719 five oh six O seven. You can also text us at six one seven 654 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:52,000 nine one seven four four seven six. I'm on social media at Matt Connerton. 655 00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,360 You can email me Matt at Matt Connerton dot com. And of course 656 00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:59,519 you can interact and opine in the Facebook live chat. But the best thing 657 00:53:59,559 --> 00:54:02,800 to do so that we can hear and enjoy your dulcet tones is to give 658 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:08,719 us a call at six o three two five six seven if you're just joining 659 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:15,119 us. Of course, two big firings today in the corporate media world. 660 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:21,440 Tucker Carlson is out at Fox News, and then not long after that the 661 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:27,880 news broke Don Lemon is out at CNN. So we spent much of the 662 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:34,960 first hour of the program analyzing the Tucker Carlson departure, shall we say, 663 00:54:35,079 --> 00:54:37,840 kind of a euphemistic way of putting it. I suppose it does appear that 664 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:42,760 he was fired, as was Don Lemon, but I wanted to also look 665 00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:47,199 at Don Lemon's outstir from CNN, and I think that there had been some 666 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:51,559 speculation for a while that he might be on his way out. First of 667 00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:54,000 all, he was a primetime host. Well I think the show might have 668 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:58,280 been called Primetime. Was it called Primetime with Don Lemon? Something like that? 669 00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:05,920 And I remember they used to do a crossover thing him and his uh, 670 00:55:06,599 --> 00:55:08,920 his buddy Chris Cuomo when he was still there, and of course, 671 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:15,239 he was asked, um, you know a crossover between shows. I forget 672 00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:16,719 whose show was first. I think Chris Cuomo show was first, and then 673 00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:22,360 Don Lemon was on after him. But you know, when I'm not sure 674 00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:27,039 how to pronounce his name, Chris licked l I CTH. When he took 675 00:55:27,079 --> 00:55:30,159 over CNN, he came in and started making some changes, and one of 676 00:55:30,199 --> 00:55:37,000 the changes was to move down Lemon to mornings. And Don Lemon, of 677 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,960 course put a very everybody there put a very positive face on it, as 678 00:55:40,199 --> 00:55:45,239 you would expect that they would, and uh, you know, tried to 679 00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,639 look at it like Don Lemon tried to present it as you know, this 680 00:55:47,679 --> 00:55:52,800 is a great opportunity, but it is a demotion, you know, in 681 00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,719 in cable news. Well, I mean listen, in any in any medium 682 00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:00,599 of media, you have, you have your your prime time. You know, 683 00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:05,239 in television, primetime is if you're in the Eastern time zone, it's 684 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,280 eight to eleven PM. That's primetime. Uh, seven to ten PM if 685 00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:12,360 you're in the Eastern time zone. Um, so it depends where you are. 686 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,679 But of course in the in the Eastern time Zone where where we broadcast 687 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,760 from, it's eight to eleven PM. In television. In radio, it's 688 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:25,920 it's different. In radio, it's actually mornings morning drive is primetime in radio. 689 00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,239 So for example, on here at w M and H, we have 690 00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:31,599 the morning show with Peter White, which I mentioned a minute ago. So 691 00:56:31,639 --> 00:56:37,639 that's that's the primetime show in radio, and then afternoon drive is second. 692 00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:43,320 Um. In television, it's it's kind of almost the inverse of that. 693 00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,280 In television, primetime is a to eleven pm at night, but then morning 694 00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:51,000 programming is would be second to that. So so it was a demotion for 695 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,400 for Don Lemon to go and do that morning show. But but he did 696 00:56:54,440 --> 00:57:01,440 it. He tried to put a nice face on it. Um but you 697 00:57:01,519 --> 00:57:07,519 know, not necessarily to rave reviews. And there were some odd moments and 698 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:12,519 one of them I was not even aware of. But there's now speculation and 699 00:57:12,679 --> 00:57:19,119 guys, I knew this would happen because he's a breaking stories. Details and 700 00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:27,559 well some not necessarily details, but speculations and hypotheses and theories and about what 701 00:57:27,679 --> 00:57:31,880 may have happened here in each case starting to kind of trickle out over the 702 00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:36,599 course of this program, and I thought that might be the case. There's 703 00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,360 there's a specific segment which we're going to look at that. Some are saying 704 00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:43,639 may have led to Don Lemon's firing, may have been a direct cause of 705 00:57:43,639 --> 00:57:50,199 it. But I remember a number of weeks ago he got into some trouble 706 00:57:50,239 --> 00:57:53,719 for it was he got a lot of negative feedback for this, a lot. 707 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:59,400 He said. He was talking about Nicky Haley, former UN ambassador or 708 00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:05,519 former governor of South Carolina. She had gotten into the presidential race. She 709 00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:09,039 was talking about she gave in her in her announcement. In her announcement speech, 710 00:58:09,239 --> 00:58:13,599 she talked about we need to get rid of these politicians who are past 711 00:58:13,719 --> 00:58:17,480 their prime. Of course, referring to the ages of President Joe Biden, 712 00:58:17,519 --> 00:58:21,880 who is eighty, Donald Trump, who I think is seventy six or seventy 713 00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,480 seven. You know, time for a new generation, right. She's only 714 00:58:25,519 --> 00:58:32,679 fifty one, so she's considerably younger. And uh, Don Lemon did he 715 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,920 made these odd comments about talking about how a woman is not in her prime 716 00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:43,840 when she's in her fifties or something, and it was it was very strange 717 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,519 and very uncomfortable to watch. And of course, you know, he's sitting 718 00:58:46,519 --> 00:58:52,199 there with two women who were on the show with him, and they looked 719 00:58:52,559 --> 00:59:00,079 very uncomfortable certainly, Um and uh and kind of let him know, Hey, 720 00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:01,440 what are you talking about? Why? Why would you say such a 721 00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:05,679 thing. It was a very very bizarre thing to say, because not only 722 00:59:06,639 --> 00:59:07,519 you know, and he said something about, well, you know, look 723 00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:09,480 it up, just google it. If you google it, it tells you 724 00:59:09,519 --> 00:59:13,079 when a woman is in her prime. It's like, well, one of 725 00:59:13,079 --> 00:59:15,320 them made the point. I think it might have been, is it Caitlin 726 00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:19,880 Collins said something about, well, it depends on what you're talking about in 727 00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,880 what context, because if you're talking about in politics, you know, you 728 00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:32,199 could argue that in terms of her political career, after having been governor of 729 00:59:32,199 --> 00:59:37,880 South Carolina, and after having been un ambassador in the Trump administration, and 730 00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:42,679 now she was going for the big prize, now she was actually running for 731 00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:45,039 president, you could argue, as far as her political career, she's in 732 00:59:45,079 --> 00:59:50,639 her prime right now, right She's she's she continues to be a sentient. 733 00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,039 Not that she's going to be the nominee. I don't believe that she is, 734 00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,639 but she's running for it. She's going for it, and she has 735 00:59:54,679 --> 01:00:00,280 supporters, and you know, it was a very very bizarre thing to say, 736 01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:06,519 and it's one of those things where you hear someone and you watch someone 737 01:00:06,599 --> 01:00:10,119 do this, and you go, is what is going on in his brain 738 01:00:10,239 --> 01:00:15,079 where he thinks he can say this and people aren't going to even if it 739 01:00:15,239 --> 01:00:19,719 isn't coming out the way he means it, Because at one point he kind 740 01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,000 of tries to save himself and say, well, no, I just mean, 741 01:00:22,119 --> 01:00:24,519 you know, this is the perception of other people. I'm not saying 742 01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:27,800 this, but it's like, I don't know, dude, it comes off 743 01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,599 like this is what you're saying, like this is what you think. And 744 01:00:30,639 --> 01:00:32,960 it was just very bizarre as a very bizarre moment. So he got a 745 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:40,039 lot of blowback from that. There was an accusation too for some time ago, 746 01:00:40,119 --> 01:00:45,840 but from some time ago there was an accusation of mistreating. Actually, 747 01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:47,760 I think there were multiple accusations now that I'm thinking about it, about him 748 01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:53,880 being difficult, mistreating people, and some implications that he may just have a 749 01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:59,280 problem with women that he that he worked with, that he may have been 750 01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,159 sexist, you know, little dribs and drabs of things that you hear. 751 01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,199 But John Hoppwood points out in the chat room, NICKI Haley is not Kelly 752 01:01:08,239 --> 01:01:15,480 ayott Oh I agree I like Kelly Ayott. She kind of she kind of 753 01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,840 disappeared from the political scene. But I always liked Kelly Ayott very much. 754 01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:23,840 Former senator of course from the great state of New Hampshire. Former Attorney general 755 01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:30,280 here. John Hoppwood also says Diane Feinstein has hit her prim, not prime, 756 01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:35,199 her prim that in Finestein needs to resign. And if anybody thinks that's 757 01:01:35,239 --> 01:01:40,320 agist, there's a reporting now that ninety year old Diane Feinstein has a significant 758 01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:45,360 dementia and has not shown up for work in quite some time. And there 759 01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:52,199 are confirmations of judicial appointments that need to get confirmed that are not getting confirmed. 760 01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:57,760 And I don't understand. I don't want to get sidetracked with that, 761 01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:04,440 but she needs to just go. I mean, I say that respectfully. 762 01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:12,159 She's had a great career, not only beloved by many of her fellow Democrats, 763 01:02:12,199 --> 01:02:16,679 but a lot of Republicans really respect her. But come on, you 764 01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:22,960 know it's time to go. Oh, Crystal said in the chat room, 765 01:02:23,679 --> 01:02:28,519 Kelly a graduated with me. She was in some of my classes at Nashua 766 01:02:28,599 --> 01:02:31,440 High Oh. Interesting. John Hopwood says Kelly at is running for governor in 767 01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:35,039 twenty twenty four. Is that? Can you confirm that? I mean, 768 01:02:35,119 --> 01:02:37,280 is that? Are you speculating, John, or or do you know something? 769 01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:49,119 John Hopwood also said Schumer could replace her about Schumer as an incompetent blank 770 01:02:49,199 --> 01:02:58,360 hole. All right, let's look at this. This is what I was 771 01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,599 referring to a minute ago, so well or just some context, and I 772 01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,960 did not I was not aware of this segment, but it says here again 773 01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,920 this is from media. I after news broke on Monday that CNN had fired 774 01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:13,400 and battled anchor Don Lemon. The New York Times reported that a tense debate 775 01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:21,639 last week between between GOP presidential candidate of Avecu Ramaswamy forgive me for not knowing 776 01:03:21,639 --> 01:03:27,159 how to say his last name and Lemon. May you know it's ironic about 777 01:03:27,159 --> 01:03:30,320 that? So at home or really not ironic but coincidental. We misuse the 778 01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:35,559 word ironic when we really mean coincidental. Is so often I just fellen and 779 01:03:35,639 --> 01:03:38,400 that myself. I was doing some things in my office today at home, 780 01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:43,800 and I came across a I have a flyer of his that I received in 781 01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:51,960 the mail promoting him. He's a Republican candidate for the presidency. I don't 782 01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,519 think Trump has too much to worry about. But um. But according to 783 01:03:55,639 --> 01:04:01,719 media, they had an exchange. It may have been the straw that ended 784 01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:06,679 Don Lemon's seventeen year run at the network. It says Lemon has generated a 785 01:04:06,679 --> 01:04:12,280 good deal of controversy in recent weeks, with widely panned comments regarding Nicky Haley, 786 01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:16,559 another GOP presidential candidate, being past her prime, and reported attentions behind 787 01:04:16,559 --> 01:04:23,079 the scenes between him and his co host Caitlin Collins. The New York Times 788 01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:27,719 reported, however, that Lemon's racially charged debate with I'm just gonna use his 789 01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:34,119 first name, Vivek left several CNM leaders exasperated, it says here and this 790 01:04:34,159 --> 01:04:38,559 is from The New York Times. Last Wednesday, however, mister Lemon made 791 01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:43,519 headlines again after a highly contentious on er exchange with Vavec, a Republican presidential 792 01:04:43,519 --> 01:04:47,440 candidate. The segment deteriorated as the men fiercely debated questions of black history and 793 01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:53,559 the Second Amendment. Mister Lemon's co anchor, Miss Harlowe Poppy Harlow the other 794 01:04:53,800 --> 01:05:00,639 so it's Poppy Harlow and Caitlin Collins and Don Lemon could be seen sitting silently 795 01:05:00,719 --> 01:05:04,559 beside him, at times, casting her gaze elsewhere and scrolling through her smartphone. 796 01:05:06,039 --> 01:05:12,840 Interesting. So then back to Media I. The tense exchange between Lemon 797 01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,719 and Vivek, which Media I was first to cover, became contentious after Lemon 798 01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:20,199 slammed vec for lecturing him about the black experience in the US while defending a 799 01:05:20,239 --> 01:05:26,039 recent speech he made at an NRA event in which the Republican candidate accused the 800 01:05:26,039 --> 01:05:31,239 Democratic Party of wanting to put black people back in shains. I've heard that 801 01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:39,360 rhetoric too before at NRA events and Sea Pack events and so forth. Well, 802 01:05:39,599 --> 01:05:49,360 so I was not aware of this segment, and I M, I 803 01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:53,400 don't know about that. John. John's just said something in the chat room 804 01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:57,519 at I don't know if that's true anyway, but I got distracted by it. 805 01:05:58,159 --> 01:06:00,480 I was not aware of this segment. I'm curious here some of this. 806 01:06:00,679 --> 01:06:08,079 Uh, let's let's play it and we'll assess whether whether we all agree 807 01:06:08,679 --> 01:06:12,880 that this was that this should have been the source of controversy that it apparently 808 01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:17,239 came to be and may have led to Don Lemon's firing. Let's see morning 809 01:06:17,559 --> 01:06:21,880 your campaign slogan is a new American dream. And I was reading through your 810 01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:29,159 platform last night. I wonder what you would do specifically to actually bring us 811 01:06:29,159 --> 01:06:32,440 together, not just Republicans and Democrats. What does unity look like to you, 812 01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:38,960 VEC, for rich and poor, for rural and urban, for Republicans 813 01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:42,719 and Democrats. That is the right question to be asking. And I think 814 01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,639 the main divide in this country, and I say this to conservative audience is 815 01:06:45,639 --> 01:06:48,440 equally, is not between Republicans and Democrats. It is between those of us 816 01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:54,440 who are pro American embracing the ideals that set this country into motion. And 817 01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:58,239 I think an increasing strain in this country that is anti American, that wishes 818 01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:01,039 to apologize for a nation and founded on those ideals. But that's not a 819 01:07:01,039 --> 01:07:04,119 fifty fifty split. I think most people are in the pro American camp, 820 01:07:04,159 --> 01:07:06,519 and Poppy, I think one of the ways they would say, we get 821 01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:11,199 to Nashville. I hate that stuff. By the way, this guy's already 822 01:07:11,239 --> 01:07:14,880 on my nerves. I hate that stuff. Oh, people who disagree with 823 01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:18,960 us, they're anti American, they hate America. It's like, no, 824 01:07:20,719 --> 01:07:24,639 I probably you know, if you're a Conserva, I'm not a conservative. 825 01:07:24,639 --> 01:07:27,639 So if you're a conservative, the VEC, I'm sure I disagree with you 826 01:07:27,679 --> 01:07:30,320 on some things, doesn't mean I'm any less American than you. Doesn't mean 827 01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,559 I hate America. I might have some different ideas about how America can be 828 01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:40,199 its best, and I might have some different ideas about whether we should confront 829 01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:46,079 and learn about our history. But I love my country just as much as 830 01:07:46,079 --> 01:07:49,760 you do. Buddy. Sorry, that's that's a big pet peeve with me. 831 01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,119 I hate when these people do this. Oh, you know, the 832 01:07:53,559 --> 01:07:57,679 people who disagree with us say hate America and they're anti American. That I 833 01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:02,559 find that offensive. I'm genuinely and I don't get offended easily. That kind 834 01:08:02,599 --> 01:08:06,559 of thing genuinely offends me. I'm every bit as American as you. I 835 01:08:06,679 --> 01:08:11,800 love my country every bit as much as you do. And how dare you? 836 01:08:12,159 --> 01:08:15,840 Frankly, Fational unity some people think is by showing up in the middle 837 01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:19,000 and compromising. I respect that view, but I rejected you reject compromise. 838 01:08:19,239 --> 01:08:23,560 I reject compromising on our principles. I think the right way to get to 839 01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:27,560 national unity, and I mean this, to unite this country is by embracing 840 01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:32,960 actually the radicalism of the American ideals themselves. We celebrate our diversity and differences. 841 01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,920 I'm glad we have some three different shades of melanin on this set right 842 01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:40,119 now, two different genders. That's fine. But what I say is, 843 01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:45,319 so what that diversity is meaningless unless there's something greater that binds us together, 844 01:08:45,399 --> 01:08:50,119 that unites us across that diversity. And I'm running see. Unfortunately, when 845 01:08:50,199 --> 01:08:57,000 guys talk like this, what they're really saying is, and you barely have 846 01:08:57,039 --> 01:09:00,920 to read between the lines, what they're really saying is you all just agree 847 01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,800 with me. That's because that's what they mean by unity. Hey, just 848 01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:10,279 would you just agree with me and just uh, you know, and then 849 01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:13,159 and then we'll all get along. Just fine, that's what they really mean. 850 01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,640 I mean, I've seen that over and over again. I mean, 851 01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:25,560 I tell you this from personal experience from people I've had conversations with. Listen. 852 01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:31,000 I used to some of you know, before I was here at WMNH, 853 01:09:31,119 --> 01:09:38,079 I spent five years as a co host on a show where you know, 854 01:09:38,119 --> 01:09:40,720 the host was you know, Gary Hopper, God Rests Soul. I 855 01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:45,000 love Gary, but very conservative Republican and he'd bring on all these conservative guests 856 01:09:45,039 --> 01:09:48,479 and uh, you know, I met a lot of great people. But 857 01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,640 I have to tell you. One thing I figured out very very early on 858 01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:57,560 is that when they talk about unity and they talk about let's can't we just 859 01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:01,359 all come together around some core va I'll use in some core principles and aren't 860 01:10:01,399 --> 01:10:08,000 there things that we can agree on and be united behind. That all sounds 861 01:10:08,039 --> 01:10:15,520 good, But as the conversation progresses, and I'm telling you because it happened 862 01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:23,439 over and over and over again four five years, as the conversation progresses, 863 01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:29,199 you realize that when they say that, because it sounds nice, what they 864 01:10:29,319 --> 01:10:32,479 actually mean is would you just shut up and sit down and agree with me? 865 01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:40,119 That's their idea of unity and people coming together. I'm sorry, but 866 01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:45,720 that's just my personal experience anyway, But this guy bothers me. I think 867 01:10:46,119 --> 01:10:48,640 by the end of this segment, I'm going to be firmly on team don 868 01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:55,560 Lemon here, but we'll hear some more for President to revive those ideals that 869 01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,640 bind us together across our diverse attributes. I want to get into a few 870 01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,640 issues, one of them in China before I get to China. I just 871 01:11:01,119 --> 01:11:06,119 want to better understand something you've said this week speaking before the audience at the 872 01:11:06,279 --> 01:11:12,840 NRA. Here's what you said referring to back to eighteen sixty five. Here 873 01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:20,359 it was I want you to raise your hand if you know when the first 874 01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:25,720 anti gun laws were passed in this country. Raise your hand if you do 875 01:11:27,239 --> 01:11:31,199 eighteen sixty five. You want to know when it happened we fought a civil 876 01:11:31,239 --> 01:11:38,000 war in this country to give Black Americans the equal protection under the law that 877 01:11:38,039 --> 01:11:42,399 we failed to secure them in seventeen seventy six. But then you want to 878 01:11:42,399 --> 01:11:47,239 know what happened Southern states passed anti gun laws that stopped black people from owning 879 01:11:47,279 --> 01:11:51,199 guns. The Democrat Party then, as in now, wanted to put them 880 01:11:51,239 --> 01:11:56,680 back in chains. Then, as in now, that's quite an accusation about 881 01:11:56,680 --> 01:12:00,800 the current Democratic Party. Who and what were you refer to. I was 882 01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,399 referring to Joe Biden and his expression of wanting to put them back in chains. 883 01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:09,479 Dating back to Lyndon Johnson, I think Lyndon Johnson's so called Great Society 884 01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:13,920 was one of the greatest misnomers in American political history, where even back then 885 01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:16,880 in the nineteen sixties, seventy percent plus of black kids were born into two 886 01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:20,439 parent homes. Today that number is less than thirty percent. In the opposite 887 01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:25,560 direction, the very policies that we implemented in this country in the name of 888 01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:30,159 helping black Americans have actually been disastrous for Black Americans and all Americans, and 889 01:12:30,199 --> 01:12:31,560 I think that that's something that we need to wake up to. In eighteen 890 01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,720 sixty five, you're talking about the Black Codes, right, that's right passed 891 01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:38,800 enacted to make it a crime for a black person to carry a kind of 892 01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:43,600 south. But you're equating that to the current president. You're referring to economic 893 01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,680 chains. What are you saying, Well, I was referring to Joe Biden's 894 01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,760 I think ill chosen expression to say they're the party that wants to put you 895 01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:51,680 back into chains. What I'm actually saying is that if you look at the 896 01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:57,239 policies of the modern Democrat a Democrats absolutely so. What I'm saying is that 897 01:12:57,279 --> 01:13:00,760 actually it's policies like that of Lyndon Johnson and Joe Biden, they are actually 898 01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:04,720 holding blacking then back the war on poverty, yes, and in particular his 899 01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:09,800 Great Society where he actually created incentives in the face. By the way, 900 01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:13,399 I don't like this guy. He's annoyed me. But in fairness, there 901 01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:17,079 there is a speech where Joe Biden did use that expression. Not recently, 902 01:13:17,119 --> 01:13:20,920 this was quite some time ago, actually, but it was a number of 903 01:13:21,039 --> 01:13:25,279 years ago. He said something about I don't remember exactly what it was, 904 01:13:25,319 --> 01:13:30,439 but it was something to the effect of Republicans have policies or might or it 905 01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:33,119 might have been he might have been speaking about a specific person or that Republican 906 01:13:33,239 --> 01:13:35,600 or something. Again, I don't remember exactly, but he said they have 907 01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:41,760 policies that want to put black Americans back in chains. So that's that's apparently 908 01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:45,000 what he was referring to. I mean, I don't agree with his overall 909 01:13:45,079 --> 01:13:49,199 characterization, but Joe Biden did use that phrase. Oh. Mike from Queen 910 01:13:49,319 --> 01:13:53,720 City Cabinetry joins us in the Facebook live chat, one of our great sponsors 911 01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,800 here at WMH ninety five point three. Hello Mike, Mike says, good 912 01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:00,880 afternoon everyone. My schedule is starting to get back normal. Wonderful, wonderful. 913 01:14:01,079 --> 01:14:04,520 Not only is Mike one of the sponsors here at WMNH with Queen City 914 01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:09,039 Cabinetry in the historics on me mall, but he's also one of our co 915 01:14:09,119 --> 01:14:13,640 hosts on Retrospectrum Radio on Friday nights. So hopefully he'll be back. He'll 916 01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:18,039 be back soon. John Hopwood says in the chat room. Eighteen thirty seven, 917 01:14:18,039 --> 01:14:23,279 Georgia passes a law banning handguns. The laws ruled unconstitutional by the state 918 01:14:23,319 --> 01:14:28,640 Supreme Court and is thrown out eighteen sixty five. In a reaction to emancipation, 919 01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:32,720 several Southern states adopt black codes, which, among other things, forbid 920 01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:43,800 black people black persons from possessing firearms. All right, some historical context there. 921 01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,600 Now in this clip, we're not to the part yet where Don Lemon 922 01:14:46,079 --> 01:14:49,720 jumps in, but I have a feeling he looks like he's sitting there though, 923 01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:56,039 kind of simmering while the VEC is speaking family, where if you're a 924 01:14:56,079 --> 01:14:59,359 family, you could actually get more money by not having the father in the 925 01:14:59,399 --> 01:15:00,840 home. Yes, what again, you get what you paid for. I 926 01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:02,960 think it's been really bad for the black community. I think it's really bad 927 01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,359 for all Americans. What do you have anything on this before I move on 928 01:15:05,399 --> 01:15:08,640 to China. I don't see what one has to do with the other. 929 01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:12,039 But go on, I took up a lot of time with fought It's fine. 930 01:15:12,159 --> 01:15:15,439 I don't really see what one has to do with the other, especially 931 01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:18,720 consider and using the Civil War to talk about Black Americans. That war was 932 01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:23,119 not fought for black people to have guns. That's that's that's not that war 933 01:15:23,279 --> 01:15:26,159 was fought for black people to have freedoms in this country. Actually, that's 934 01:15:26,159 --> 01:15:30,920 why the Civil War was fought out for black people to have guns. I 935 01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:32,880 think, actually, you don't know. Funny fact is black people did not 936 01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:38,840 get to enjoy the other freedoms until their Second Amendment rights were secured. And 937 01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:42,239 I think that that's one of the lessons that we aren't allowed to enjoy the 938 01:15:42,279 --> 01:15:45,079 freedoms. I disagree with you on that done. I disagree with you, 939 01:15:45,119 --> 01:15:47,600 and I think you're doing a disservice to our country by failing to recognize the 940 01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:53,560 fact that we have You're already lost in See the problem here we're running into 941 01:15:53,760 --> 01:16:02,920 right here is and this is constant on cable news, is now they're they're 942 01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:09,159 getting into what is going to be this hyper reductive discussion where one person, 943 01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:15,640 the VEC is taking the position that, you know, the Civil War was 944 01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:18,960 fought for Black Americans to have the same rights as everybody else, and now 945 01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:26,439 Black Americans do and everything's dandy, and Don Lemon is going to take the 946 01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:31,640 position that no, Black Americans, uh, don't enjoy those same freedoms, 947 01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:38,079 and they're going to be talking past each other. And that you see that 948 01:16:38,199 --> 01:16:42,960 constantly on cable news. You see people talking past each other because you only 949 01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:48,840 have so much time in the segment, and it's extraordinarily difficult for people to 950 01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:53,920 talk about any political issues, especially ones that they're invested in. Don Lemon 951 01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:57,920 himself a black American, Um, so I have some sympathy for him here. 952 01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:00,319 Actually, I mean, we'll see the rest of the segment goes. 953 01:17:00,399 --> 01:17:05,960 But um, it's difficult for people to have these discussions without getting emotional, 954 01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:13,479 especially when you don't have the time to really kind of flesh it out like 955 01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,560 you as you would in at a podcast for example. So you know, 956 01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:19,760 cable news segments they have to go quick. You know, you've only got 957 01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:25,800 so much time, got to get to the next commercial. And so this 958 01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:36,680 is already devolving very rapidly into a reductive, hypersimplified sort of you know, 959 01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:40,880 they're they're not they're not going to talk about they're not going to be talking 960 01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:45,000 about the same thing because they're going to be talking past each other, if 961 01:17:45,039 --> 01:17:47,920 that makes sense. It's something that drives me nuts, and not just in 962 01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:51,600 cable news, but just in general. This is how people think about politics 963 01:17:51,800 --> 01:18:02,560 because people are so people are so invested in people like to be right, 964 01:18:03,039 --> 01:18:08,520 but they're far more invested in making you think that they're right and proving you 965 01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:10,680 actually let me, let me put it this way. If two people are 966 01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:15,600 having a political conversation, it's more important to each person in their own minds, 967 01:18:15,319 --> 01:18:21,039 not to be right, but to prove the other person wrong. That's 968 01:18:21,079 --> 01:18:26,680 what it is. That's how people discuss politics. And because we live in 969 01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:33,840 this culture where where critical thinking is discouraged, we're seeing things as nuanced and 970 01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:39,680 complicated and seeing the world as complex. That is discouraged, and what is 971 01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:45,920 encouraged is binary thinking, where absolutely every political thought in your head is supposed 972 01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:47,840 to be their left or right, right or blue, liberal or conservative. 973 01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:53,199 Everything I believe in. All the people I agree with are always right one 974 01:18:53,239 --> 01:18:57,560 hundred percent of the time, and every people on the other all the people 975 01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:00,840 on the other side are always wrong one hundred percent of the time. And 976 01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:03,560 my side loves America, the other side hates America. It's all this reductive 977 01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:12,000 binary thinking. Binary everything's ones and zeros. That's it. And it's a 978 01:19:12,039 --> 01:19:15,479 shame because if you can get past that and have an actual, nuanced, 979 01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:20,079 complex, sophisticated discussion, politics becomes a hell of a lot more fascinating. 980 01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:30,920 But cable news doesn't present politics that way, and so this conversation that Don 981 01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:40,560 Lemon and Vavecker having is about to devolve into something unproductive and reductive and probably 982 01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:45,079 somewhat infuriating. But again, if you're just joining us, the reason we're 983 01:19:45,119 --> 01:19:51,279 looking at this is there is speculation that it's this exchange specifically that may have 984 01:19:51,359 --> 01:19:56,520 been the catalyst for Don Lemon's firing today from CNN. That's why we're looking 985 01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:59,199 at this. There's only a little bit left, but we seem to be 986 01:19:59,199 --> 01:20:03,279 getting to the part where things really blow up. And you live in this 987 01:20:03,319 --> 01:20:05,800 country, then you can disagree with me, but we're not You mentioned that 988 01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:09,840 three different show. I think we have to be able to talk about these 989 01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:13,399 issues in the open, regardless of the color of our skin Black Americans today, 990 01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:18,479 to say that compared that to eighteen sixty five, nineteen sixty is actually 991 01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,359 I think it's insulting to black people. It's insulting to me as an African 992 01:20:21,359 --> 01:20:25,319 American. I don't want to sit there and argue with you because it's infuriating 993 01:20:25,319 --> 01:20:28,439 for you to put that, to put those things together, it's not right. 994 01:20:29,319 --> 01:20:34,079 You're telling of history is wrong. Your your history was wrong about the 995 01:20:34,079 --> 01:20:36,720 Civil War was fought. You're making people think that the Civil Wars fought for 996 01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:40,960 black people only for black people to get guns and for black people to have 997 01:20:41,119 --> 01:20:43,960 Civil war was fought for black people in this country to get freedoms, a 998 01:20:44,039 --> 01:20:47,520 noble mission. And I think that even after even after we succeeded, we 999 01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:51,760 had to actually secure those freedoms. To reduce it in a speech at the 1000 01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:57,039 NRA, to say, you're making people think you're trying to say that black 1001 01:20:57,039 --> 01:21:00,119 people to get guns, that that was a reason that you're there at the 1002 01:21:00,199 --> 01:21:06,199 NRA, that was a reason for the Civil War. It's consulting. There 1003 01:21:06,199 --> 01:21:11,720 were a whole reason that, with due respect, I find I find your 1004 01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:15,000 explanation reductive and actually insulting, including the Black Americans, to say that black 1005 01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:20,000 people today compared to nine four sixty five haven't made progress in part because of 1006 01:21:20,039 --> 01:21:25,359 the freedoms we secured and the Second Amendment. See that isn't what he said. 1007 01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:28,720 That isn't what Don Lemon said. See this is what always happens. 1008 01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:36,600 This is your standard cable news argument two parties again in their own minds, 1009 01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:41,960 it's not about being right, it's about proving you wrong. I'm going to 1010 01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,199 sit here and argue with you, and I have to prove you wrong. 1011 01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:53,439 And part of my strategy for proving you wrong is I'm going to create straw 1012 01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:59,720 man arguments, claiming that you said things that you didn't actually say by taking 1013 01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:03,479 what you did say and exaggerating it and making it extreme. So, for 1014 01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:08,560 example, Vvec, if Vec says to you know, he's talking to Don 1015 01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:12,680 Lemon about you know, the Civil War being so that black Americans can you 1016 01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:15,880 know, could have guns, and Don Lemon is good correctly calling him out 1017 01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:18,479 on that and saying, well, that's reductive. There's a plethora of reasons 1018 01:22:19,079 --> 01:22:26,079 the Civil War was fought and so forth. But then, um, when 1019 01:22:26,159 --> 01:22:31,760 Don Lemon says to Vavec, you're you're you're saying that, uh, you 1020 01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:34,760 know, we have all these or how did he say it exactly? I'm 1021 01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:38,560 sorry, I have to back it up a little bit. I forget exactly 1022 01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:42,720 how that went. See here, all right, that was the reason for 1023 01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:49,439 for the Civil wars, consulting there were a whole pass that with due respect, 1024 01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:54,720 I find I find your explanation reductive and actually insulting, including the Black 1025 01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:59,279 Americans to say that black people today compared to nine four eighteen sixty five haven't 1026 01:22:59,319 --> 01:23:01,479 made progress in part because of Oh that's what it is. Yeah, so 1027 01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:06,319 vex us to Don Lemon. I think it's insulting for you to say that 1028 01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:12,560 Black Americans since eighteen sixty four haven't made any progress in this country in terms 1029 01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:17,800 of their rights, which is not what Don Lemon said. Don, but 1030 01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:24,960 Don Lemon, he's approaching it like, well, you're saying that now we 1031 01:23:25,039 --> 01:23:28,359 have we enjoy all the same freedoms as everyone else. But that's not necessarily 1032 01:23:28,359 --> 01:23:33,079 true either. See, it gets us into a whole it should get us 1033 01:23:33,119 --> 01:23:39,760 into a whole discussion about you know, systemic racism and you know, I 1034 01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:43,760 mean the truth the way I see it is, it's it's not again, 1035 01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:48,479 it's not binary. It's not either Black Americans have made progress in this country 1036 01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:54,439 in terms of rights and freedoms or they haven't. But that's that's the cable 1037 01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:58,279 news thing, right, That's that's how it's presented. You either believe this 1038 01:23:58,399 --> 01:24:02,199 or you believe this. I mean, I look at it as of course 1039 01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:08,600 black Americans have made tremendous progress in this country as far as rights. You 1040 01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:13,760 know, we don't have segregation, we don't have segregated schools, we don't 1041 01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:15,439 have separate water fountains. You can sit wherever you want to on the bus, 1042 01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:18,279 and so on and so on. Of course, it's progress. It 1043 01:24:18,319 --> 01:24:25,560 would be absurd to say there hasn't been progress. But also we still have 1044 01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,920 a long way to go in some ways, I mean in a lot of 1045 01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:31,640 ways. Actually, I mean, my god, there just was a story 1046 01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:39,800 in the news about these uh, these uh inbred hillbillies in Oklahoma caught on 1047 01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:44,640 tape people in law enforcement caught on tape about wanting to hire a hitman to 1048 01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:50,079 go murder black people and murder journalists. And I mean, just really just 1049 01:24:50,319 --> 01:24:57,880 terrible racist stuff in Oklahoma that these people in law enforcement were caught on tape 1050 01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:01,920 saying. And you know, and yet there's people who walk around going, 1051 01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:05,079 well, you know, there's really no racism anymore. That's been solved. 1052 01:25:05,199 --> 01:25:11,920 Are you kidding me? You gotta be blind to believe that that we don't 1053 01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:14,479 still have work to do. We still have a hell of a lot of 1054 01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:18,600 work to do. So both can be true. Black Americans have made progress 1055 01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:20,920 in terms of the rights they enjoy in this country. Of course they have, 1056 01:25:21,319 --> 01:25:25,319 and we still have a lot of work to do. Of course we 1057 01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:30,279 do. See those two things can be true at once, and based on 1058 01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:35,319 that, if you actually accept that premise that maybe there's nuance and maybe this 1059 01:25:35,399 --> 01:25:40,399 is a complex and complicated issue and we can have a sophisticated discussion about it, 1060 01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:43,039 then you can go on and have a sophisticated discussion about it. But 1061 01:25:43,079 --> 01:25:46,560 what you can't have is a cable news discussion where you have two people talking 1062 01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:50,960 past each other, because both of them are going to create straw and arguments, 1063 01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:56,600 and both of them are going to accuse the others of having assuming worst 1064 01:25:56,680 --> 01:26:00,520 motives. See, that's the other thing. If I'm having a cable news 1065 01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:03,079 argument with you, I have to I'm not concerned about being right. I'm 1066 01:26:03,079 --> 01:26:09,039 only concerned about proving you wrong, and I'm going to do that by reframing 1067 01:26:09,079 --> 01:26:15,800 your argument in the most extreme ways possible and assuming that you have the worst 1068 01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:18,920 possible motives for making whatever argument it is that you're trying to make. And 1069 01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:24,960 that and that's what goes on here. Melanie in the chat room says Matt, 1070 01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:27,279 it's a good thing I am always right, so I don't have to 1071 01:26:27,319 --> 01:26:30,720 worry about trying to prove anyone wrong. That sounds exhausting. Yes, yes, 1072 01:26:32,039 --> 01:26:35,439 Crystal says in the chat, the South has been historically terrible to black 1073 01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:42,560 folks, create black codes so they cannot defend themselves, then attack black communities 1074 01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:46,119 like the Tulsa massacre and Blackwall Street, etc. Yeah. Absolutely, I 1075 01:26:46,199 --> 01:26:51,920 agree. And and again, this is all history, right, this is 1076 01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:57,600 all stuff that happened. But there are people who don't want you talking about 1077 01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:01,000 any of it because they believe if you talk about it, then that means 1078 01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:06,079 that you hate America. You think America's bad, you think America's evil. 1079 01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:12,079 No, I always use this analogy. I don't have any children of my 1080 01:27:12,119 --> 01:27:15,600 own, but look, I understand right, I've known enough people who have 1081 01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:18,439 kids. If you have a child, if you're a parent, you got 1082 01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:23,920 a kid, and your kids screws up, and your kids they're acting out. 1083 01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:27,680 Maybe maybe they're acting out at school, getting into fights, or maybe 1084 01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:30,479 they're they're talking back, their mouth and off when they shouldn't be. Whatever 1085 01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:34,479 it is, right, you're going to discipline your child, You're going to 1086 01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:39,600 talk to them, you're going to punish them. Perhaps if necessary, but 1087 01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:43,600 you're going to do something to try to correct the behavior, right, You're 1088 01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:48,399 going to address what is wrong. Addressing what is wrong does not mean you 1089 01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:53,199 don't love your kid, does it. It doesn't mean you hate your kid, 1090 01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:57,359 does it. No, of course not. It's the same thing with 1091 01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:06,079 the country criticizing America, criticizing things about America, expressing concerns over systemic racism 1092 01:28:06,159 --> 01:28:13,960 as an example, or objecting to any number of things anti LGBTQ plus legislation 1093 01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:17,359 happening around the country, which even fifty five percent of Republicans in one poll 1094 01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:21,399 object to all this legislation. They don't think it's necessary and they don't like 1095 01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:27,920 it. That doesn't mean you hate America. That's why I get so offended 1096 01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:30,319 when I hear people talk about, well if you say this, you say 1097 01:28:30,359 --> 01:28:32,960 that you want to teach this in school, that this happened, that happened. 1098 01:28:33,119 --> 01:28:36,800 Oh, it's because you hate America and you want generations of children to 1099 01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:41,640 hate America. No. I love America. There's nowhere in the world i'd 1100 01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:45,760 rather be. I'm a true believer. Honestly, I believe in American exceptionalism. 1101 01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:49,119 You'd be surprised at how patriotic. I am oh, yeah, no, 1102 01:28:49,159 --> 01:28:54,560 I'm all in. But just because my idea of what America should be 1103 01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:58,960 and my priorities in terms of what we need to work on don't necessarily match 1104 01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:02,800 with yours does not mean I love America any less than you do. And 1105 01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:10,520 screw anybody who says it does mean that, because it does not. M 1106 01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:19,760 let's continue the freedoms we secured and the Second Amendment. I cannot keep a 1107 01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:23,239 thought if you guys are talking to me in my ear So hang on one 1108 01:29:23,279 --> 01:29:26,720 second. So to say that that black people, that's an interesting moment. 1109 01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:30,920 Did you did you hear that? So he's talking to the producer so on 1110 01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:33,680 cable news. And I've never worked in cable news, but if you're a 1111 01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:36,439 host on a cable news show, of course you have your earpiece and the 1112 01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:42,680 producers are talking to you. You know, they might be feeding you questions, 1113 01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:45,159 or they might be telling you how much time you have left in the 1114 01:29:45,199 --> 01:29:49,640 segment, or or you know you gotta wrap up soon or ask one more 1115 01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:55,680 question or whatever it may be. So don lemon, now, maybe okay, 1116 01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:58,359 So maybe that had something to do with it, because maybe there was 1117 01:29:58,399 --> 01:30:00,159 a pattern of that. I don't know. But in this particular instance, 1118 01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:08,000 Don Lemon is actually acknowledging whoever it is in his ear talking to him in 1119 01:30:08,039 --> 01:30:11,159 his earpiece, which is kind of a no, no, you're not supposed 1120 01:30:11,159 --> 01:30:14,319 to do that on Gable News. But he does and he gets uh. 1121 01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:18,199 He's not happy because he's trying to have this discussion and someone's talking to him 1122 01:30:18,239 --> 01:30:20,479 in his ear. That was an interesting moment. See, I like the 1123 01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:25,079 behind the scenes kind of stuff. With due respect, I find I find 1124 01:30:25,119 --> 01:30:29,239 your explanation reductive and actually insulting, including the Black Americans, to say that 1125 01:30:29,319 --> 01:30:33,119 black people today compared to nine four eighteen sixty five haven't made progress in part 1126 01:30:33,199 --> 01:30:36,319 because of the freedoms we secured, and the Second Amendment was part of the 1127 01:30:38,239 --> 01:30:40,279 I cannot keep a thought if you guys are talking to me in my ear, 1128 01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:43,319 so hang on my second. So to say that that black people, 1129 01:30:44,199 --> 01:30:47,359 say what you said again, black people secured their freedoms after the Civil War, 1130 01:30:47,399 --> 01:30:50,479 and as a historical fact, don just study it only after their Second 1131 01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:54,960 Amendment rights were secured. The seed their freedoms after the Civil War. That 1132 01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:59,840 it's not you. You are discounting reconstruction and discounting a whole host of the 1133 01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,439 thing that happened after the Civil War when it comes to African Americans, including 1134 01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:06,119 the whole reason that the Civil Rights movement happened, it is because black people 1135 01:31:06,119 --> 01:31:10,840 did not secure their freedoms after the Civil War. Yeah, yeah, okay, 1136 01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:15,840 so I'm on team Don Lemon here. Yeah, he makes a great 1137 01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:18,239 obvious point. Yeah, of course, Uh, the VEC if you're trying 1138 01:31:18,279 --> 01:31:21,520 to say, well, the Civil War happened to secure the rights of black 1139 01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:26,399 people, and then uh, black people's rights were secured and that was all 1140 01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:30,680 well and good and all set. Which I'm not sure that's what he's saying, 1141 01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:32,239 but again it's a cable news conversation, so it's hard to be sure. 1142 01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:36,600 But uh yeah, then why would we have even had the Civil rights 1143 01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:44,720 era? Right? So Don Lemon is correct there, and that things turned 1144 01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:47,159 around, people would tried to change the freedoms that were supposed to know how 1145 01:31:47,199 --> 01:31:49,920 they got it. They got their Second Amendment rights and they actually got the 1146 01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:53,960 NRA played a big role in that. But today down the already did not 1147 01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:59,760 play. Already did not play a big role. This is just historical fact. 1148 01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:01,359 But the part that I find, as you say, it's a storical 1149 01:32:01,399 --> 01:32:04,680 part. Part that I find insulting is when you say today black Americans don't 1150 01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:09,119 have those rights after we have gone through that civil rights revolution, that you 1151 01:32:09,239 --> 01:32:11,880 are sitting here to tell see they're both they're both doing it. Like I 1152 01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:15,199 said, it's the straw man thing. So Vaveka is saying to don Lemon, 1153 01:32:15,239 --> 01:32:19,319 you're saying that black Americans today don't have rights. No, of course 1154 01:32:19,359 --> 01:32:27,760 he's not saying that, but you know, straw manning, it's almost impossible 1155 01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:31,439 for for people to have a political conversation without doing that. By the way, 1156 01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:34,159 John Hopwood said in the Chatter and patriotism is b asked, why does 1157 01:32:34,199 --> 01:32:39,960 anyone have to love America? Nobody asked to love America. UM. A 1158 01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:45,399 lot of people think though that unfortunately, seem to believe that to be patriotic, 1159 01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:48,760 part of patriotism is expecting everyone around you to also be patriotic. That's 1160 01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:54,079 why people get so, uh, they get their feelings hurt when they see, 1161 01:32:54,159 --> 01:32:57,119 you know, Colin Kaepernickneelie or something like that, because they take it 1162 01:32:57,119 --> 01:32:59,680 as on patriotic, which I don't think it is, but they take it 1163 01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:01,760 that way and then they're mad because they're like, well, everyone should be 1164 01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:05,560 a patriot. Personally, I'm so patriotic I couldn't care less if all of 1165 01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:09,960 you all are patriotic or not. It doesn't matter to me. My patriotism 1166 01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:14,800 does not depend on your patriotism. I'll be as patriotic as I want to 1167 01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:16,960 be, and you can be as patriotic or as unpatriotic as you want to 1168 01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:20,680 be. I love my country. I consider myself a patriot. If you 1169 01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:25,119 don't love your country, if you don't consider yourself a patriot, that's fine. 1170 01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:28,960 You're an American. You have the right to love your country, not 1171 01:33:29,039 --> 01:33:30,800 love your country, be ambivalent about your country. You can do whatever you 1172 01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:36,199 want. So answer your question, John, why does anyone have to love 1173 01:33:36,239 --> 01:33:40,199 their country? Love America? Nobody does. Nobody has to love America. 1174 01:33:40,319 --> 01:33:43,199 I love America. I think America's flawed. I think it needs a lot 1175 01:33:43,239 --> 01:33:45,039 of work. It'll never be perfect, nothing as perfect. But I love 1176 01:33:45,039 --> 01:33:50,159 America. But you don't have to doesn't matter to me at all. Calling 1177 01:33:50,159 --> 01:33:55,680 an African American about the rights and what you find insulting about the way I 1178 01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:59,800 live, the skin I live in every day. Here's where black and white 1179 01:34:00,039 --> 01:34:01,600 that black people don't have in the stuntry. Here and that black people do 1180 01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:03,680 have. Well, here's where you and I have a different point of view. 1181 01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:06,239 I think we should be able to express our views regardless of the color 1182 01:34:06,279 --> 01:34:10,159 of our skin. We should have this debate with me in regarding you as 1183 01:34:10,199 --> 01:34:13,720 a black man, assaulting that you here as a fellow citizen. You're sitting 1184 01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:18,319 here, whatever ethnicity, are explaining to me, whatever to black, whatever 1185 01:34:18,359 --> 01:34:20,720 ethnicity. I I'll tell you what I am. I'm an Indian American. 1186 01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:23,880 I'm proud of it. But I think we should have this debate. Black, 1187 01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:26,680 white doesn't matter. I think we should have this content of the idea 1188 01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:28,479 to do it. You should do it in an honest way and in a 1189 01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:30,600 fair way. And what you're doing is not an honest, fairway. We 1190 01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:33,479 appreciate you coming up with due respect. Do I look forward to continuing that 1191 01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:36,319 conversation. Thank you, the conversation. Thank you so much. Thank you, 1192 01:34:36,319 --> 01:34:40,520 Papa. We'll talk about China. Yes, and they do shake hands 1193 01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:44,399 at the end. Um I do not. Okay, So my theory based 1194 01:34:44,399 --> 01:34:47,520 on that segment, and even with all of my interruptions, because there are 1195 01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:50,520 a lot of things in there that I found a bit triggering, I do 1196 01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:54,800 not believe that that segment has anything to do with John Lemon's fire, and 1197 01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:57,039 I think it was other things. I don't think it was that. I 1198 01:34:57,039 --> 01:34:59,800 don't. I just don't see anything in there that would get them contributed him 1199 01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:03,199 to except maybe at him, except maybe him yelling at at the producers in 1200 01:35:03,239 --> 01:35:10,439 his ear. Maybe that, But I still doubt it. Melanie says in 1201 01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:13,560 the chat. Can I love my country but not be in love with it? 1202 01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:17,800 Yes? Yes you can, Melanie, Yes you can. John Appwood 1203 01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:23,319 says the US should be balkanized so it is not a threat to world peace. 1204 01:35:24,359 --> 01:35:27,840 The US is only exceptional in the widespread state sanction murder it is engaged 1205 01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:30,560 in since nineteen fifty. Well, your balkanization idea is interesting, John, 1206 01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:34,680 because as you know, we do have a regular caller to the show, 1207 01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:43,920 Dave Ridley, who believes that New Hampshire should secede from the Union and become 1208 01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:46,439 its own country. So we could do that. We could go with your 1209 01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:51,760 idea, but maybe at least New Hampshire would be balkanized, so to speak. 1210 01:35:53,039 --> 01:35:56,079 We'd be our own thing and we wouldn't be a threat to world peace. 1211 01:35:58,359 --> 01:36:03,920 John Hopwoods said he ignored his produced Sir Um, well, he didn't 1212 01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:06,479 ignore him, but he addressed him, which is kind of worse in a 1213 01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:12,840 way. And in terms of cable news etiquette. M John says, let's 1214 01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:16,640 create this, Susanne, I can never say the word suserin t of am 1215 01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:20,079 Askeigue now as a nuclear power. Well, yes, that is. That 1216 01:36:20,239 --> 01:36:24,279 is my condition. If you're a longtime listener, you know about this. 1217 01:36:24,399 --> 01:36:30,760 I believe that Manchester should succeed us, specifically the West Side. We should 1218 01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:35,920 succeed from Manchester and become become am Askeigue, and I would be the master 1219 01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:42,399 and ruler or the suzerain of am Askeigue, and we would have one nuclear 1220 01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:46,039 weapon so that no one would invade us. I think that's important, especially 1221 01:36:46,319 --> 01:36:49,880 in today's world. You know, it's getting scary out there. Um. 1222 01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:54,720 I do not believe that segment is the reason Don Lemon was fired, but 1223 01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:59,199 I'm sure we'll find out more in the coming days. Crystal says, hasn't 1224 01:36:59,199 --> 01:37:02,479 done Lemon mits spend it a few times in the past for bad on air 1225 01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:10,000 behavior. Yes, I suspect, and this is a conjecture on my part, 1226 01:37:10,079 --> 01:37:16,199 but I suspect that he was fired for over a series of things that 1227 01:37:16,239 --> 01:37:21,960 have finally added up to the point where they just can't have him there anymore, 1228 01:37:23,159 --> 01:37:28,239 and they had already demoted him. So that's my theory. That's my 1229 01:37:28,359 --> 01:37:32,560 theory. Oh the other thing about that, we ended up spending a lot 1230 01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:36,960 more time on that segment than I meant to. But I was just so 1231 01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:47,960 curious because apparently people are speculating that that was the reason. Just look at 1232 01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:50,680 this quickly, and then because we're almost out of time, so very quickly. 1233 01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:55,159 You know, we talked in the first hour about Tucker Carlson. As 1234 01:37:55,199 --> 01:37:58,119 far as I know, he hasn't said anything yet. Fox News just issued 1235 01:37:58,159 --> 01:38:02,479 that very terist statement. Don Lemon apparently is talking and says he is stunned 1236 01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:08,359 and he is in dispute with CNN over the details of his firing. It 1237 01:38:08,399 --> 01:38:13,359 says here this is from USA Today. Don Lemon says he's been fired from 1238 01:38:13,359 --> 01:38:17,479 his post at CNN's CNN This Morning, which he co anchored with Caitlin Collins 1239 01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:20,800 and Poppy Hartlow for about six months. The former anchor, who is on 1240 01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:25,319 air Monday morning, shared the news in a statement on Twitter. He wrote 1241 01:38:25,359 --> 01:38:30,680 this quote, I was informed this morning by my agent that I've been terminated 1242 01:38:30,760 --> 01:38:34,640 by CNN. I am stunned unquote. So he's claiming that nobody at CNN 1243 01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:39,800 talked to him, but his agent is the one who told him, Hey, 1244 01:38:40,079 --> 01:38:43,159 hey, man, they let you go, says here a ceo. 1245 01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:46,760 CNN CEO Chris Licht said in a statement that the network wishes him well and 1246 01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:50,640 will cheer him on as he pursues future endeavors, Echoing what he wrote in 1247 01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:56,960 an email the CNN staffer is obtained by USA Today, Licht said, quote, 1248 01:38:57,039 --> 01:39:00,960 my CNN colleagues, CNN and Don have parted ways. Don will forever 1249 01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:03,399 be a part of the CNN family. We thank him for his contributions over 1250 01:39:03,399 --> 01:39:06,720 the past seventeen years. CNN This Morning has been on the air for nearly 1251 01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:14,479 six months, and we are committed to its success. Unquote. Why was 1252 01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:17,880 Don Lemon fired? Either Lemon or CNN offered a reason. Lemon expressed frustration 1253 01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:21,520 with the manner in which he says the news was delivered to him. So 1254 01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:25,560 this is what he said in a tweet. He added this quote, After 1255 01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:29,359 seventeen years at CNN, I would have thought that someone in management would have 1256 01:39:29,439 --> 01:39:32,239 the decency to tell me directly. At no time was I ever given any 1257 01:39:32,239 --> 01:39:35,399 indication that I would not be able to continue to do the work I have 1258 01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:40,239 loved at the network. It is clear there are some larger issues at play. 1259 01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:43,720 With that said, I want to thank my colleagues and the many teams 1260 01:39:43,720 --> 01:39:46,800 I've worked with for an incredible run. They are the most talented journalists in 1261 01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:54,239 the business, and I wish them all the best. Unquote. CNN said 1262 01:39:54,279 --> 01:39:59,239 this quote Don Lemon's statement about this morning's events is inaccurate. He was offered 1263 01:39:59,279 --> 01:40:02,760 an opportunity to meet with management but instead released a statement on Twitter unquote. 1264 01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:13,319 Interesting, all right, and there's some speculation here about the Nicki Haley thing. 1265 01:40:15,199 --> 01:40:17,479 Also, yeah, we're about out of time. Also too, there's 1266 01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:24,439 a section here about reports chronicling allegations of Don Lemon's disrespect toward former colleagues, 1267 01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:30,960 and that had been a growing story recently, so that's probably what it is. 1268 01:40:30,199 --> 01:40:35,039 That's probably what it is. Oh and then there's a section here we 1269 01:40:35,039 --> 01:40:39,359 don't have time to get into it, history of Don Lemon's offensive commentary. 1270 01:40:39,880 --> 01:40:43,720 Interesting, all right, Well, there will be more as the week goes 1271 01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:45,520 on, I am quite certain, but we are absolutely out of time. 1272 01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:49,439 My friends. We gotta go. Thank you all for joining me today on 1273 01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:57,399 Matt Connerton Unleashed on an exciting day in the world of media, and that's 1274 01:40:57,439 --> 01:40:59,399 gonna do it for us for now. If you miss any partner today's show 1275 01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:01,840 it we'll be up in us a little bit at WMNH radio dot org and 1276 01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:05,840 in my website, Matt Connerton dot com, and maybe I'll even put it 1277 01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:09,359 up on YouTube like I usually do, but I'll just have to cut out 1278 01:41:09,359 --> 01:41:13,520 a certain part. All Right, that's it for me for now. I'll 1279 01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:15,079 talk to y'all a little bit later. By everybody,