Second hour of the program. Welcome Back Exes and Bros. Monday through Friday
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on Facebook Exes m Bros. That's where we have our poll question for the
day, and we have one every single day. Trent and I work at
it. Who's the best free agent acquisition in Detroit? Is at Vladimir tery
Sinka with the Red Wings, Tobias Harris with the Pistons, DJ Reader with
the Lions, or Kevin Zeitler with the Lions? Should I should we Trent
have added a guy like Geo Orchella or a Mark Hanna. We did not
put them in there for a reason. I could easily say we didn't want
to be laughed at, but I'm not going to It's because neither one of
them has done very well for the Tigers. You know what would have been
even funnier is if you put Kenami Aida in there. I know I thought
about it, not about that. First of all, we try to limit
it to three or four at the most. And second of all, these
other three have yet to play, so it's really not fair to for them.
I get to them to putting guys who are already put up stats and
you can rest you know, we can recognize their impact or the lack thereof.
Anyway. You can vote as often as you want. It's on our
Facebook page, it's on our Twitter or x as well, So follow us
and let us know what you think, and we'll have the results for you
tomorrow d eight o'clock we'll give you the results from yesterday's poll question a little
bit later on today Baseball. We've been talking some baseball this morning about a
lot of different things. The appreciation for a guy like Jose Ramirez who became
the third player of the modern era last night to have three intentional walks and
two stolen bases in a single game. But in addition to that, you
know, the All Star Game is coming up. It's not long before every
team gets a break and the All Stars are sent to Texas. And I
don't know if you saw this, it was really cool with Logan Gilbert,
the starting for Seattle. Did you see the clip of him calling his parents?
Yes, I think that's awesome. There needs to be more of that
in all of sports. That is a real moment that is not scripted.
That is something that we can all relate to I don't care if you're Trent
Valley and your single you, imagine what it would be like to call mom
and dad and tell them about such an accomplishment. I don't care if you're
me who've got four kids, and imagine what it would be like to hear
that type of news. The reaction from his mother and his father, the
breaking of the voice, the admiration and pride that they have and saying that
they will be there for him in his first It's awesome. I loved it.
That's the kind of stuff you got to eat up. That is,
that is emotionally transferable. That's what a great thing about social media or television
whatever. That's what you're supposed to do right there, And it's one of
those show. It's one of those formative steps on the journey, right because
yeah, obviously when you get drafted, that's a big one. Your first
when you make the team, your first start, and then when you become
an All Star for the first time, if you're lucky enough, that has
to just be a top five moment in your career to make that phone call
or the championship, Like remember, Jim Matthew Kachuk, We've talked about this
before on the ice, hugging his mom and telling her what thanks for helping
me get here. Gave me goosebumps. I told this story earlier. I'll
tell it again, not earlier today, but earlier in the in our show,
maybe a month or so ago. Every year for the last thirty years,
my family and I have gone to Cape Cod, Massachusetts. My wife
loves it there. She was born and raised in the area, so she
loves going back. We make it a point, my boys and I of
going to Cape Cod baseball games. It's the best college players in the country
for the most part, playing on different teams at high school venues. They're
not your typical high school venue. I mean they are really high level,
beautiful fields, all right. I mean, East Grand Rapids has got it
all. These beautiful Rockford's got it all. A lot of really nice fields
here, but these are above and beyond. Anyway, We're watching a game
last year and this kid comes out of the dugout, calls over his mom
and dad, and he tells them he was just drafted. It was later
I think it was by the Braves. It's like a I don't know,
late late round draft pick. I don't know exactly what it was. I
don't want to speculate, but the point is the moment I wish I had,
I wish I took out my phone and filmed it. The moment he
hugged his mom and dad and the pride that they have and the tears they
shed was pretty special. I just absolutely it was a warm, comforting moment.
Loved every single second of it. Anyway, speaking of All Stars,
there is an article out there from SI. It makes you think, so
I'm not saying it's wrong. I disagree with it, but it's a pretty
cool. I like to read articles that make you think a little bit.
They're strongly suggesting Paul Skens, the outstanding rookie, the former number one overall
pick by Pittsburgh, should start the All Star Game for the National League.
Here's what they write, Paul Skeens has hit Major League Baseball like a lightning
bolt, living up to every bit of the hype in the two months since
his debut. That's important, two months. The rookie right hander has been
rewarded with an All Star selection. He should be. He's been incredible five
and zero in ten starts, two point one two ERA A whip slightly above
one, seventy eight strikeouts only twelve walks in fifty nine innings. The twenty
two year old has been a dominant force, no question. They think he
should start the All Star Game. I disagree. There's nothing wrong with having
him there. He should be there. He's earned it. He's not there
as a way to fill seats. He's not there as a marketing ployee.
He's not there to run a promotional ad. He's there because he deserves to
be there. Right, you would agree with that too, right, Yes,
Okay, being there as an All Star is one thing. Starting the
game is another. Just because and SI writes this, just because he's on
a trajectory doesn't mean that he deserves it as a starter. What Chris Sale
has done. And Chris Sale just won again last night. I do not
like Chrisale. I'll get that out of the way right now. Not a
fan. But in seventeen starts, Chris Sale for the Atlanta Breys has ten
quality starts and leads all of baseball and wins with twelve. Now, sometimes
wins and losses can be very misleading. You and I both know that his
whip walks, hatings at walks hits per innings page is among the lowest in
baseball at point nine to four. Derek Schoubl, by the way, along
with Logan Gilbert, lead baseball with point nine zero. The argument in SI
is for Paul Skins and the War at two point four. Well, Chris
Sales is two point seven. I hate the you know, trying to play
the numbers game in comparison, but what this is what these arguments have been
have forced us to do. Look, get the strike strikeouts per innings per
nine innings pitched. Chris sal at eleven point seven. Only Garrett Crochet and
Tyler Glass now are better. You may not like Chrissale. You may think
he's part of the old Guard because you know he's still getting a dumb and
he is thirty five. He may have been there before, and he's got
plenty of All Star appearances. Seven that doesn't mean you take away from what
is rightfully earned. Chris Sales should be the starter for the National League of
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on the Huge Show in the Michigan Sports Network, I'll deliver huge opinions on
everything you're talking about. Let me ask you something you feel like football is
getting that much closer. I do not that you're just hoping for it.
And look, you can read on every website how more and more football articles,
and it's hard to believe that it is, but it's true. More
and more football articles are coming out. ESPN Plus came out with something yesterday
that caught my eye. Executives, coaches, and scouts ranked the NFL's top
ten defensive tackles for the upcoming season. Top ten. Do you think Trent
Ballely, any Lions defensive tackle is on this list? Probably? Not?
Okay, defensive end, I could see it with huts, but defensive tackle,
no, okay. So they have ten and then they have honorable mentions
and then they have also receiving votes. Who if any Lion defensive tackle Ali
McNeil would be on this list? McNeil, right, yeah, okay,
which category does he fall into? Top ten? Honorable mentions, also receiving
votes? You know, I'm gonna say, fell into also receiving votes.
I don't think people are really hip. Here are the top ten? Now
this is I think this is a little bit more. Can I say legitimate?
Because it's polling presidents, general managers, coaches and scouts. Yeah,
sure, it's the people that are evaluating talent in the league. Yeah,
so I think that's fair. So what they've done, Look, there's no
Aaron Donald in football. But what I like about this is they're doing this
as a series. So they're going to have you know, they've done They've
done running backs, They've done the defensive This is the defensive tackles today.
Later on today they'll have the edge rushers. Then they'll do safeties and tight
ends and interior offensive linemen and offensive tackles, and quarterbacks and linebackers and wide
receivers and cornerbacks. And that'll take us all the way through July eighteen,
and you and I will applaud, standing up vigorously and saying thank you because
all star break upon us and we want to talk sports. Right, Okay,
I think that's fair. Yeah, it is, certainly is. Chris
Jones is the number one defensive tackle, highest ranking one, lowest ranking two.
So there's not one scout, there's not one GM, there's not one
president, there's not one coach who thinks he's any worse than two. He's
consensus top two. That's outstanding, size, consistent, dominant effort. So
hard to block. Number two is Quinn Williams from the Jets, highest ranking
one, lowest ranking eight. So kind of right there a consensus top five
really good first step size and athleticism to overwhelm guys. Number three is Dexter
Lawrence, highest ranking two, lowest ranking eight. He's of the Giants.
Number four Jeffrey Simmons of Tennessee highest ranking two, lowest ranking unranked. That
runs the gamut. He had thirty seven percent run stoppage win rate. That's
impressive. Justin Madbuki of Baltimore is at number five, highest ranking two,
lowest ranking seven. Christian Wilkins of the Raiders is number six, highest ranking
three, lowest ranking unranked. Number seven is Derek Brown of Carolina, highest
ranking two, lowest ranking ten. DeForest Buckner of Indianapolis. Still getting it
done at the age of thirty, highest ranking two, lowest ranking unranked.
He's been pretty consistent since twenty eighteen. He's have fifty two sacks. Did
you say highest ranking two, yes, lowest ranking unranked. Correctin a disparity
there, Yeah, it sure is. That's the same thing with Christian Wilkins
highest ranking three, lowest ranking unranked. Men Buike highest ranking two. Lowest
ranking, Oh that was seven, okay anyway. Number nine Kenny Clark of
Green Bay. He's always been a good player. Highest ranking five, lowest
ranking unranked, and number ten is Javon Hargrave of San Francisco. Highest ranking
five, lowest ranking unranked. Here's what surprised me about the top ten.
When I read this videvea of Tampa, I thought would be in the top
ten. I consider him a top ten defensive tackle, but I'm not a
scout, GM or coach in the NFL. He's in the Honorable mention.
So is Jonathan Allen, So is Jaln Carter. So is Deron Paine.
So Washington's got a couple of them there, so is Cam Hayward, and
so is Christian Barmore of New England. So, Trent, you're right.
You didn't think Kleem McNeil would be in the top ten or even in the
honorable mention. You thought he would be in the receiving votes. You would
be wrong. He's not in any of them. So Ed Oliver, Eric
Armstead, Leonard Williams, Grady Jarrett, Jamont Jones, and Zach Siler are
all in the receiving votes. So not a single contributor to this poll believes
Alee McNeil's top ten in the league. I hope that gets back to Alee
McNeil. Correct, I'm guarantee it'll get back to him, guaranteed. You
want to talk about bulletin board material motivation. Yeah, and again I think
it means a little bit more because it's not coming from neither you nor I
or a writer. Right, it's not fans, it's not media trying to
spin their narrative. It's people that evaluate the league right exactly. So for
example, CBS Sports came out with their top twenty linebackers not too long ago,
and immediately I want to know what they think of, you know,
the Lions linebackers. If at all, how many Lions linebackers are in the
top twenty? Do you think one? Who would it be? Alex Angzeloni.
Yeah. The answer, at least in this survey, at least in
these writers who covered the NFL is none. None like that surprised me.
I didn't think they would be top ten, but I thought they'd be at
least top twenty, right. I thought Angeloni would maybe sneak in around seventeen
or eighteen. Yeah, just because it's the Lions and they you know,
they've got a lot of eyeballs last season. Yeah yeah, right, so
it shows you, like we've done this before. There were no cornerbacks for
the Lions. There's no defensive tackles, at least based on the survey from
top executives and coaches, and now these NFL writers for this website anyway say
there's no linebackers. I guess my point is you and I both can kind
of read into that. You could tell me what you think of Detroit's defense
based on this perception. And I use that word intentionally. This perception is
nobody good enough in the defensive backfield. They don't think highly of your interior
defensive line, and they don't think highly of your linebackers. Fred Warner's number
one, from Sam Francisco, Rocon Smith from Baltimore's number two, to Mario
Davis from the Saints at number three, Quincy Williams from the Jets at number
four, and Matt Mulano of the Bills at number five. Nobody else,
like even Bobby Wagner at his age is at number nine. Always liked him.
Hell of a player. Levonte David at number twelve. San Francisco's got
the best linebackers in football Warner one, Dre Greenlaw thirteen. There's nobody from
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right. I want to get to a text here because I think somebody we
jolted something from somebody who was watching or following the Tigers a little bit last
night. So Trent feed me with the text says, good morning, chefs.
So disappointed with last night's game. I was thrilled we came back.
I can tie it. However, I knew we wouldn't be able to stop
Cleveland from scoring the tenth. Also, I didn't miss Bias when he was
gone. When people say or text in this regard, I knew they weren't
going to be able to hold on in the tenth. Do you think that's
based on just what they've done this year? Or do you think it's based
on what Cleveland has done. Cleveland seven and two in extra inning games.
Now is it the once bitten twice shy you feel burned by it all?
What is it that makes people feel like I just have no confidence whatsoever in
this team when it comes to extra innings? Is it the manager? What
do you think it is? I think it's a combination of all of it.
I don't think people know of Cleveland's success in extra innings. I think
they look at it and they say, I have seen what Detroit has done.
This is an experience. Now this is your experience. I have seen
what the Tigers have done. I've noticed it. I may not know the
exact record in extra innings, and I'll give you that here in a moment,
but overall, it's a feeling. It's justified. They're four and six
and extra innings. But this is It's funny the Texter bring this up,
because last night I was thinking the exact same thing, extra innings. What
does Cleveland do they play for the beginning, They're not bunting their way along,
They're playing for extra runs in extra innings. You can do that,
or you're supposed to do that, or most shouldn't say supposed to do.
Most teams do that. They're gonna do what they can to try and tack
on the extra run. When you've got that ghost runner, when you've got
the person who made the last out from the ninth starting at second base in
the tenth, you get a chance if you're the road team to go for
the big inning. While so many people say bunt him over to third base,
you can do that if you're the home team. If Cleveland doesn't score
last night, in all likelihood, that's what Detroit's doing. But if they've
got some good bunters, they're bunting him along. So then a sacrifice fly
wins the game. And you notice a sacrifice fly got a run in for
Cleveland and a run in for the Tigers. That's what you do. Cleveland
didn't do that. Cleveland played for the extra not the big inning, per
se, but the extra inning or extra run for the inning. That's the
way you're at least I think you should be handling it. But yeah,
you didn't miss bias. I get it. A couple of nights ago,
they had a chance for a decent inning and they won. But they had
a chance for a decent inning bias grounds into a double play early on in
the game. I can't defend him anybody who tries to defend him. It's
defending the indefensible. You just can't do it. I've said this before,
I'll continue to say it, all right. I like the guy from a
standpoint of the individual, been with him on the road, plenty decent enough
guy, all right, And I think players his teammates like him too.
But it's a results oriented business. You and I both know that, and
he knows it, and the results are not there. Period. He's an
easy target because of what he's done. When you're betting a buck eighty two
and you have one bomb and you're making twenty three million dollars, twenty four
million dollars, easy to do that. So I'm not going to go there
because I'm not going to defend him because you're on a hundred percent right,
you didn't miss him. It's really no difference. It's no difference when he's
in and when he's out. I mean, I know what people will try
and tell you. I know what I know what the team will try and
sell you. When he's on. He's special. And so hold on a
second, stop, stop it. Don't insult the fan base. The fan
base is well aware, they have followed it closely. This is not you
know what, You don't know what we're getting because you haven't watched him.
He's been playing with the Cubs and he's been playing with the Mets. No,
no, no, no. This is a situation where Detroit Tigers fans
are very much aware of what this guy has brought to this team. So
don't insult them by suggesting that they're not paying close enough attention and they're not
recognizing the nuances of what he brings to your franchise. Not true at all.
Tiger's fans saw him in twenty twenty two and he batted two thirty eight
many home runs, led the team in homers is seventeen, but most of
those late in the season, when that miserable campaign was done. People saw
him hit worse a year ago, and they're seeing him hit worse, even
worse this year. Stop. Don't give me the magician with the glove,
the special defensive plays and all this other stuff, because it's falling on deaf
ears. All you're doing is hurting yourself. That's it. Because guess what
people also recognize that the defensive runs saved category is not there for him either
as a Detroit Tiger, and the throwing errors get a little tired. So
I'm with the Texter. I'm not going to sit here and beat up on
howve of your bias. It's almost it's become old hat and almost understood.
And that's as big a concern slash worry as anything else. The fact that
the fan base it's just understood. He's gotten to the point where there's no
need to ridicule and complain about him because it's understood. That's pretty sad,
and that tells you really all you need to know. It's no longer Hey,
was this a bad signing? That's understood. We know it was.
There's no doubt about that. We don't need you to tell us whether or
not it's a bad signing. We know it's a bad signing. We know
it's one of the worst the Tigers organization and perhaps any team in this city
has had. He went over for three again last night. By the way,
think about this for a second. This guy was brought in here.
I said, we're not going to beat up on Hovey or bias, And
now I can't stop talking about him. But the Texter brought it up.
He was brought in here on a big contract in twenty twenty two, and
he's making twenty five million dollars this year and he's betting eighth. Did any
eighth in your lineup? Javier Bias, the twenty five million dollar man,
the guy who makes more money than anybody else on your team, the guy
who was supposed to be the catalyst. And again this isn't on Scott Harris.
Alavilla signed him. But you know what, in fairness to Alavila,
in that class of shortstops, there's a lot of people who wanted Javier Bias
in Detroit. Remember the shortstop class, right, it was Corey Seger,
it was Marcus simm it was Carlos Correa, it was Trevor Story, and
it was Javier Bias. I want you to think back and tell me,
or be honest with yourself, who did you want, because really, I
mean, Simeon's playing second base, so Seeger or Correa, and Correa has
been hurt a lot. If Korea has been in Detroit and hurt as often
he has as he has been in Minnesota, you'd be complaining about that too,
and rightfully so. But all those guys, those Trevor stories non existent
because he's heard so much. All those guys hit at the top of the
lineup. Correa is hitting two or three, Simeon's hitting one or two.
Seeger's hitting two or three. Javier Bias this year has hit eighth forty four
games. Forty four games. He's only played in fifty two. He's hit
six to one game. He's hit seventh seven times. He's hit eighth forty
four times. Guys making twenty five mil. He's supposed to be your number
two or your number three hitter. That is how bad it is. Incredible,
but a good text because I'm right there with you. I don't even
think about it anymore, to be honest with you. No, we're numb
to it. We're numb to how bad it is. Yeah, that's exactly
it, Absolutely numb. I consider it an automatic out. That's how I
look at it. He's coming up. Oh, okay, who's up in
the next inning. That's kind of what I look at Yeah. Bathroom break,
Yeah, bathroom break. Just I'm not let myself get disappointed. I'm
not going to let myself get my hopes up high because you've got an idea
of what's going to happen. He'll roll over on something, he'll wave and
miss, I mean the whole slider and swinging and missing. I get it.
I'm more concerned, or more frustrated, I should say, I'm more
frustrated at the damn fastballs that you can't catch up to, that you can't
hit any longer, that you're grounding out he was supposed to. I understand
there's some swing and miss there. He's supposed to get on base. The
reason you got him was not just defensively, but the ability to have some
pop. But a guy who you hope would get on base for you.
Look at the on base percentage, folks. Now, there's other guys who
have struggled this year who have been good on base, Guys like Jeff McNeil,
for example, like bobashett Bobaschetz had an absolutely garbage season. It's one
of the reasons some people feel like he could be traded. I mean,
his on base percentage is two seventy five. Horrible, absolutely horrible. Juan
Soto leads baseball in on base percentage of four to twenty seven. Aaron Judges
right behind him, which is incredible. And considering the Yankees, you thought
they were gonna be a really good baseball team, and I still think to
the most, for the most part, they are. They've had the They
had the worst June of any team in baseball. They had five wins in
the month of June. But anyway, Stephen Kwant who's become a an All
Star starter for the first time this year. He's the third outfielder of the
American Mate, he's third in the league. And on base percentage, do
you know what Javier Bias's on base percentage is? I'm gonna guess it's around
two hundred. It's to twelve. Yikes. Most players who are betting a
buck eighty five have an on base percentage of two twelve, have an ops
plus of thirty one. Average is one hundred. His ops plus is thirty
one. His slug trent the slug is two fifty four. Right, if
that could just be a regular average, I'd be happy with that. But
for that to be the slugging, that's just pathetic. Is that nuts or
what it is? It totally is. And I think the point you're getting
that here, Shep is when Javier Bias. If we can wind the clocks
back to twenty twenty two when he first got here. All we want him
to do was be elmago with the glove and hit for contact like you mentioned,
give me two seventy. I don't even need you to be a three
hundred hitter like you were in Chicago, right right. But he's gotten worse
steadily every single season into try I don't know what it is, every single
season he's been in the league now eleven seasons. Maybe age is just catching
up with him. But it's pathetic. But you knew he was going to
strike out, and so did I. Yeah, that was a given.
You can almost live with it as long as he's slugging, as long as
he's driving the ball to the gaps and so on and so forth. The
league leader in slugging is Aaron Judge at six seventy seven, and Javier Bias
is at two twelve. Oh that's like a statistical outlier, isn't it,
Bud? That is so painful. Forget the average for a moment, because
averages can be really overrated. Look at the slug and look at the on
base Those are really important statistics. How much is the guy driving it,
And how much is he able to draw some walks and get on base?
He can't do either, can't do either one. And for his career he's
a he's a two ninety four on base percentage guy. So it's not like
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