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listening to But did you talk to
her? It only takes five seconds?

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And who She's full of shit?
Hello and welcome once again. This is

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season ten, episode two hundred forty
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little saying we repeat here from time to

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time, something we say out loud
sometimes and sometimes we even print it on

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merch store dot sort in Scale is
where you'll find that. By the way,

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it's a pretty simple saying, and
we can't really take credit for it,

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because it's just good advice. The
saying is don't talk to cops,

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and that isn't something we repeat because
we don't like law enforcement or believe in

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the fundamental need for an effective criminal
justice system. It's a saying we repeat

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because, let's face it, most
regular people aren't fully versed in the law

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and don't fundamentally understand their own civil
rights. Most people are worried about picking

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up their kids from soccer practice,
picking up the dry cleaning, or whether

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or not they're fully stocked with milk
and eggs. By the way, I've

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seen the price of eggs lately.
The bottom line is that if you ever

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have the misfortune of finding yourself sitting
in that cramped, sparsely furnished, fluorescently

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lit interrogation room with nothing but your
thoughts and a barrage of cold, accusatory

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questions from the cop across from you, this little simple saying maybe the only

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friend do you have left in the
world. In the latter part of May

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twenty twenty, Matt Moore called nine
one one to report his wife missing.

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Hey, how you doing it?
My wife? Is her yeah, that's

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your wife. Do oh okay,
you look just like her for like a

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second. Oh, oh my god, there's okay Matt Moore ultra hoo.

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Hello, Hi, the least I've
got don't know you're least okay? So

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what's going on? She's uh,
she's on character on characteristic clean missing?

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Okay? Uh, I just I
don't her wallets here, here's a lot,

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that's the money. The phone's here, Carson Garage. When Matt began

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to worry, he contacted Emily's best
friend, Celeste. She arrived just as

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the police did, and for a
moment, to Matt's forlorn eyes, she

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looked just like Emily. He told
the officers that being gone without a word

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for this long was not like her. There aren't many places you can go

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these days without your ID or money, let alone the idea that most people

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don't go anywhere without their phones.
And you just came by to day to

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see her. Now call me,
he asked me, I would person I

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know where she's sat? So he
called me so like he told her about

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your like, Well, let me
at least try to help, Funny,

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I mean, it's been a hot
day. If she had cast out or

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something. As unusual as it was
for Emily to go missing, it was

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more unusual. She did so that
day after her fifty second birthday, in

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the day of Memorial Day, May
twenty five, twenty twenty. Okay,

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you said you guys wanted to celebrate
her birthday. Tell me about that.

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What do we do? We went
out to I'd have to sell you the

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town because a spring, a water
spring collected in the water about halfway back

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and stopped, had had a picnic, got back in the car, came

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here. I decided to go down
to uptown because we heard that things were

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opened up. Went Coldla went to
bag and ales, and then we went

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to meets, came home, and
we went to bed and slept just like

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a normal I got up. It
was early, because earlier than I usually

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get up to go keep with my
class day. Every night. I looked

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at the clock and night it was
late. It was earlier earlier in normals,

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at twelve thirty, one o'clock maybe, and I'm like, okay,

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point into this room here and posted
on the tops. It took a while

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for me to get back to sleep. I will go I think around ten

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thirty. I looked on my phone. I looked for her to see where

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her phone was. I gotta searching
to see she was here. Instead,

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she was here, so I was
not great for seasons. She's out,

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you're doing something. I lie there
for a little bit, did some Facebook

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and made some Texans probably, and
eventually I came out, and then I

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started discovering things. There's your phone, there's your wall, there's her walt

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for the car, there's your car. I'm like, well, maybe she

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went for a wall. Hours went
by until I just got to the point

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where I was just like, I
gotta keep I got on your phone call.

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I got possibly because this is so
strange that this has happened. That

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beep beep you heard was the axon
body camera. Unfortunately, you'll hear a

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lot of that in this episode.
Apologies. Per protocol, the officer walked

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through the home to see if there
was any indication of why she was missing.

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What he saw was an immaculate home. Everything was neat and tidy.

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There was nothing out of place and
nothing missing except for Emily, that is.

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Does she suffer from any any illnesses? Is she have dementia? Has

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she ever threatened harm herself? Ever
done this before? Okay, is y'all's

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relationship healthy? And she never threatened
to leave you or anything like that?

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No, okay, no more than
any other relationship. I mean, you

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guys, I mean never physical,
never, okay, strcifical, okay,

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okay. How long you guys were
married? Yeah? Married August two obviously

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ago kind of I guess the two
or three, but I think it's too

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you don't remember it the year now. She's really small, she's one hundred

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pounds right five foot the series,
so her things way out. I checked

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the trunk. I just want to
oh no, no, I understand about

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it. I had the worst case
scenario in my maybe she did something to

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herself. But do you have any
reason why? That's what I'm you know

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what I mean? I would hate
to think even to think abouts Okay,

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okay, there was a reason why
that came to his mind though, suicide?

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Man, I would I don't know
my sons your tongue committed to your

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law? Did she know they were
in law? He really really close?

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I didn't. I didn't. My
son had it's a friend. He got

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it. He's a great kid and
awesome. He's got spoiled and gilds.

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The worst thing you can ever imagine
happening to a kid man gets a friend

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she wasn't list as a fan.
Matt's teenage son committed suicide only ten months

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prior, and in the short four
years that Emily had known Matt and his

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son, she had grown to love
him, making it all the more difficult

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to bear when he killed himself.
Suicide, however, was only one of

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the possibilities at this point. So
as right now looked like she deliberately left.

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We just don't know why she left
her stuff behind. And she no

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history mets will illness or anything like
that. Okay, I have any older

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I don't. She's so right.
So every time she always do you guys

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own any firearms? Have me checked
to see if it's still here? He

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did check? Or you know what
is here? All the possibilities were running

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through Matt's minds as well. After
hours of waiting for his wife to return

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home, he was already imagining the
worst case scenario and what can happen to

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someone at ten ten o'clock and worster
a gold That part I don't know and

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the part that that we try to
figure out is there are two things we

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try to figure out when someone's reported
missing. Did they do it on purpose

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or just someone table? And that's
what we always try to do. I

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don't care if his kids ten in
the morning, that someone took her very

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very low, if she was the
hurts like there was something along those lines.

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They try to hide it. Did
they go like all a long ways

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away or something, or it depends
everyone's different. Sometimes it depends on the

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reason why they want to hurt himself. I was got right here when my

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son died, and seeing it's great, fucking all this is so, I'm

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buying is not at home. All
of her belongings left behind were a disturbing

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sign. The officers, seeing that
there was certainly something to Emily's disappearance,

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started searching immediately, rather than waiting
the typical twenty four hours. They searched

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her normal hangouts, the lengthy walking
path that intersected the city of Westerville,

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and the myriad of parks and woodland
areas that it connected, but without any

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luck finding her. After a couple
of hours, they returned to update Matt

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and he had a new clue.
I mean, let me show you one

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thing, okay, because I'm crazy, No show me this thing here,

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this crazy. Here doesn't belong What
do you mean it doesn't belong here,

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doesn't I've never seen it. I
got it. I just noticed it and

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took it to put it there.
I'm positive this was here and it wasn't

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there. The only thing he found
out of place in the entire house was

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a bright orange extension cord that normally
hung on the wall of the garage,

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but was instead laying on top of
a table. It didn't seem like much

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of a clue, but Matt was
looking for anything out of the norm.

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Without filing an official report, they
had enough information to begin searching for Emily.

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They had a physical description of her
last known whereabouts. You just keep

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doing what you've been doing. I'm
trying to get in cut with as many

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people as possibles. So yeah,
because at this point now you've got to

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call as many people as you can, because now now we're at the point

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it just doesn't make any sense,
you know what I mean? Now for

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someone to be gone that long some
people before before, Oh yeah, this

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happens. And I'm gonna say that
most people time, most people, it's

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really weird. Most people will disappear
or disappear do the same thing. Leave

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all their stuff and they just need
a break. They just go somewhere.

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You don't hear for him for a
few days, and then we'll get information.

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Hey, you know, I just
needed a break. We can change.

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I just I don't want to screw
things up. What do you mean,

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really bad of a time and face? And I'm just not good at

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that ship. I just don't want
to like get me wrong the common you

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know, I don't. It doesn't
sound like you could. I screw things

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up a lot. Matt was being
cooperative and helpful with the police, but

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things he was doing we're starting to
stand out as more than just quirks of

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an odd man. The officer already
noticed his inability to keep the timeline straight

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in a story, but he also
seemed fixated on the idea that Emily committed

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suicide. Maybe it was just the
lingering memory of his son's suicide, but

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even so, statistics weren't on his
side. The likelihood that Emily, a

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fifty two year old woman, was
abducted at ten am off the quaint streets

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of Westerville, Ohio, was incredibly
low. Maybe she took off of her

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own free will and left all her
belongings behind her. Maybe she did indeed

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end her own life, but the
longer she was missing, the more likely

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it meant foul play. And we
don't need to tell you the statistics of

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missing wives, but it usually boils
down to well the husband. Of course.

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The following morning marked a full twenty
four hours since Emily's disappearance, and

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the police already suspected the worst.
So she just disappeared ten o'clock. We

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woke up ten o'clock. The more
he's getting him in the mid at thieves

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there didn't work about so all of
a sudden, she gone this morning.

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She likes to go forage, that's
how they get their meals. So we

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checked the wooded area over here.
That's as we could. I'm getting there,

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what about a hundred yards or so. I guess this was yesterday.

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Yesterday morning at ten eleven, is
gone. We didn't report tell you last

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night about five or six o'clock,
so some red flags. We're just trying

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to cover all our bases. We've
been through the house much like a little

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kid, immaculate. I mean,
it's nice and clean. So our next

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step was this blood how to see
if we get a track someplace, if

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she shoves and took off on foot
someplace because her cars here, her phone's

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here, it doesn't have Yeah,
and so I didn't think. I thought

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maybe are going to mass So so
what do you what's your guys get done?

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They already suspected Matt had something to
do with Emily's disappearance, but they

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couldn't be sure, so they brought
out the bloodhound just to see where it

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would lead, just in case.
How often do you guys go pillaging?

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Can we stand it? I'm just
I'm taking it all in. Is that

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what it's called foraging? When you
steal some pilfree? Maybe she goes every

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day. We every chance we get. She's home now, I'm unemployed,

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so we'll take the breaks in the
middle day and we'll go. And the

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weather just broke a couple of weeks
ago. There wasn't a lot for forage

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now for that rain, and all
of a sudden the sun has been like

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three days. It's just everywhere.
What do you guys usually go forage?

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There? It is I keep going
to say the other word that is wrong,

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but forge yes, there's there's a
bridge up there. It goes it's

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a walk bridge. If you're facing
this way. If you go along the

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left side of it, you don't
go up on it. It's just the

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wrong side of it. It's it's
right there, and there's a woditor in

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insto it. And then you go
up onto the trail, walk down a

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bit and take a lesson. It
takes you right back into this neighborhood here.

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It's about a ten to fifteen minute
a well. Emily loved nature and

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spend a lot of time foraging for
edible plants. Hence Matt suggested to search

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the nearby thicket. The dog got
a scent from some of Emily's belongings that

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Matt's applied, and took off down
the road. Matt waited and worried.

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And this is the most bizarre thing
in the world. And I'm just super

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super great there, and I don't
understand what's planing. I don't understand a

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lot. It's that it's like a
movie. It just seems like she's needed

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which she's summer really got boundary.
The police shared those very thoughts, and

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we're beginning to suspect something far worse. Then, to add to their suspicions,

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Matt said this, Oh I hope
you won't find it well, you

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want to found, but do you
want a good hour? I don't want

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to find. I want her fond, but I want to After a while

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of waiting, Matt just wanted to
go inside. The recent turn in the

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weather made it quite hot outside.
A few moments later he re emerged.

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He went there, we got somebody
with himself Radio pop Hell's weird walks out

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here just to ask us which way
they went with It was weird if you

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thought he had anything to do with
her disappearance, but it could have just

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been an honest question from a concerned
husband. Dog didn't will get it wrong,

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I'm not here. The dog came
up with nothing, which Matt was

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happy out. His thoughts were that
she must be alive somewhere if the bloodhound

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didn't find her. The police,
however, were less than happy. The

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only thing they gleaned from that exercise
was that Emily didn't leave the house on

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foot, And if she didn't leave
the house on foot and her car was

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still there, maybe she never left
at all. In the coming days,

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they would dial up the investigation and
uncover more troubling information from Emily's longtime friend

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Suzanne. People lie to my face
every day. I don't trust anybody.

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It's hard to find the good.
Yeah, yeah, so I kind of

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have that approach. Plus I'm I
was a fraud investigator for Nationwide. So

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again still again, I yeah,
you see what commotivating I can do.

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And that is why as soon as
I saw the the text I mentioned,

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you know, I got some texts
that said, you know, Emily's missing?

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Is she with you? The spike
He says, yeah, Oh my

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god, I'm just I don't know
what it is about this guy. I

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Just the day after her fifty second
birthday, Emily Noble disappeared. The only

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trace was the thing she left behind, like her cell phone, purse,

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money, and keys. A quick
search turned up nothing, and the police

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were starting to suspect that Emily wasn't
missing, but rather murdered. An interview

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with a longtime friend, she Uanne
revealed more about Emily's life before Matt,

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and she would point the finger that
nobody else but her husband. She was

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always very active online dating and I'm
kind of against it, and she's really

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little, and like I was mentioning, I always felt very protective of her,

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and it seemed as though and it
didn't occur to me you know,

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at first, but every time I'd
meet her somewhere, she was meeting up

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with some guy, okay from Plenty
of Fish or Tinder or this one or

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that one. I don't even know
all. So I finally I said to

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her, I said, Emily,
you know this is nuts. This is

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You're smarter than this. You know, you can't just be inviting random strangers

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to your home, people who know
where you live, you know. And

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and then after the parents and she
inherited all the money, she get drunk,

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all this money, you know,
in the bar, and I'm Emily,

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stop. She just is very She's
a sharer, you know, over

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sharer. She's very open and bubbly
and and just doesn't think about, you

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know, things like personal safety.
Or she's very naive, you know.

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I just I'll be even the woods. Everyone's great and wonderful, and the

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world lood out for me kind of
thing, you know. She saw Emily

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as happy, go lucky, albeit
incredibly naive and overly trusting in people.

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In her mid forties, she dated
a lot, and after her parents left

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her close to a quarter of a
million dollars, she went a bit wild.

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Then she met Matt. She was
very cagy about it, like a

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lot of her friends still don't know. Up until Matt posted this is Matt's

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Emily's husband, they didn't know she
was married. She kept him kind of

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at a arm's length everybody, And
I think that's because she knew none of

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us. We're going to like it, she recalled. The first time she

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met Matt, Emily invited her over
and Matt cooked dinner, drinking the whole

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time. By the time I finished
dinner, he was drinking op to right

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out of the bottle. That's a
dance hill and he was getting a little

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bellidderin, you know, And I
didn't like it, and I'd had enough.

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She talked this behavior up to the
meeting new people jitters. Maybe Matt

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was nervous and drank a little too
much. Then the next time they got

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together, he was half in the
bag when they came to pick me up,

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to the point where I insisted that
Emily drive, and I knew he

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had driven to my house. And
it didn't get any better while we were

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into the bar, and that's when
I started to notice that he was like,

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hold no, real close, you
know, like not arm around the

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waist. Affectionately, it was arm
around the knackle most, you know,

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because she's sure so just squeezing her
real tight. She couldn't get like two

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feet away from him. She did
say, and I don't remember the context,

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but she did say that when he's
drunk, he's the devil. That's

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what she said to me. Suzanne
noticed the signs of an overbearing and controlling

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relationship, and she didn't much care
for it. Her worry was made worse

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when Emily showed up with a new
hairstyle. And Emily has beautiful, naturally

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curly hair, like the little curly
haired girl on the Peanuts. And the

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next time she came in her I
sung her hair was straightened, and I

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remember laughing. I'm like, Jesus, how long did that take? You

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know? And she was like,
well, Matt likes it straight. Matt

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doesn't like my curly hair, so
he like he prefers it straight. That's

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that's hell. Yeah, every man
doesn't like the way you look. You've

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got to change the way you love
like that. I didn't like that.

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Emily's relationship with Matt had all the
signs of toxicity except one. Until she

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showed up with bruises on her arms. I knew what it was, because

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I've been a victim of domestic violence, and I've been held against the wall,

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and I've had those zigzact bruises and
my heart sunk as soon as I

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saw them, and I remember asking
her what the hell happened? It was

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a new bruise and it was concerning
enough for me to go what happened?

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Oh, I hurt myself at the
gym. And I walked up to her

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and I put my hands where the
bruises fit. Okay, And I said,

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Emily, try again, what happened. You can tell me, You

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can tell me anything. Money.
Are you okay? You know what's going

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on? And as when she said, well, Matt likes it rough,

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and I said, what do you
mean? How far the rough is?

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She like, pardon my friend,
But Emily, are you okay with it?

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Oh? Yeah, but he doesn't
like to choke me. Did she

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say she was okay with it?
She didn't say no. She did not

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say she was okay with it.
She didn't say she wasn't. She just

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kind of, you know, one
of those she's just kind of acknowledged the

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fact that he does choke her in
her sex. Yeah. I didn't say

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one word he likes to choke me. Did you notice any bruising? I

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did not, did not, Suzanne
said. Emily told her about the rough

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sex and the choking, and she
witnessed what she thought was controlling behavior on

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Matt's part. With this knowledge,
Matt was looking more and more like the

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number one suspect in her disappearance.
And I remember saying to her, I

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don't know what would make me say
this, but it's haunting me. I

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remember saying to her, Emily,
this is going to end in tragedy.

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Okay, I don't feel like you're
safe. Which as much time as you've

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spent with Emily, and clearly you
know her very very well, I've never

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met or anything like that. What
do you think happened that the night of

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her birthday? I think he took
her out for dinner, and I think

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he took her out. I think
he probably choked her out. Suzanne never

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liked Matt and always feared Emily's relationship
with him would end tragically. Is there

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anything more I can do? Keep
an eye on Matt? Okay, that's

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why I'm still friends with him.
Obviously. You know, if you confront

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him, that's fine, but don't
burn bridges to the point that he will

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walk you. Oh no, No, that's that's why my sisters had born

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blacking mess because I need to keep
it. Clothes friends closes enim. So

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that's exactly right. I don't fully
trust him yet at this point, for

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obvious reasons, all suspicions seem to
be on Matt. They brought him in

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for questioning. You were not an
arrest You weren't handcuff coming in. Is

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that correct? Correct? Okay?
And that door does a lock. This

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is a voluntary interview. Okay.
Obviously we need to do the best we

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can to get the full story.
We can find your wife and you can

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get back to normal. Obviously part
of that involves talking with you, so

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you know again this is a voluntary
thing. Yeah, Like I told you

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out there, I haven't lied to
you. I'm not going to start out.

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We could have done this in my
house. No, this part,

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we can't can't do it because it's
not voluntary. That's Colely the vultar and

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I give leave. I don't want
to. I'm just yeah, we can

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try that door right now at some
point, could we like I want to

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help you. I want to get
this going up because I didn't do it,

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and I want you to find whatever
that'll happen to her. He immediately

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became defensive, Mirando warnings, Yeah, I'm being arrested. You're not being

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arrested. So why am I being
rid of my Mirando warning? Because it's

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the standard protocol that I do,
just to make sure that we are on

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the same page with everything. Reluctantly, Matt began answering their questions, even

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though he felt it was a waste
of time because he knew he didn't do

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anything. We were super laid back, so you were you were one hundred

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percent strong. It wasn't one hundred
percent, but it wasn't anything where I

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would ever harm my wife. That's
all I'm asking, and that's all I'm

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saying. How was your relationship?
How was your marriage done? Any worse

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than anybody else? Just to make
sure I have so scale one to ten

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relationship with her ten being bliss every
day honeymoon like a honeymoon, and I

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mean, can't can't we can't stay
each other. I'm asking, which,

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what would you what would you read? It? Would it would fluctuate like

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a sign a sign way? But
we were on since six months it was

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in eight last six months. Absolutely, did you read our texts? Well,

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we didn't went through everything. There's
alders that old texts from whatever.

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But it was after my son died. There was tension, stress. She

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dealt with it differently than I did, and and so there were things that

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were said back into it. Of
course they read their texts and more.

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Some of Emily's texts contradicted Matt's claim
of a blissful marriage. Would surprise you

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if I said that she didn't seem
to be as happy as as you were

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led to belief, of course,
would surprise you. It would. She

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was sadder than I thought. She
lies as far as your relationship. No,

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she she loved me. I would
be very surprised if there was like

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a another man. Well, I'm
not saying that, but you know,

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literally two weeks ago she was one
person that she kind of confided to inter

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text messages and so forth said something
and she said you that Matt picked another

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fight with me last night. She's
two weeks ago, and that was just

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the first message they found early mate. They're talking this month. Matt and

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I are talking and friendly, but
it's not the kind of relationship I want

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a month ago, Please don't talk
about Matt and ian love. And at

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the same time she said I think
Matt is mental ill. She said,

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I don't want to talk about him. I would rather focus on the future.

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By the way, Matt got really
drunk last night said some things I

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don't think you can take back.
I'm fine, I'm pretty sure we are

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not going to stay together. Matt
picked a fight with me yesterday and said

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some awful things. I'm not wearing
my wedding ring. What do you think

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your spouse says about you? When
venting to their friends with Emily missing,

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Matt found himself trying to explain away
every little fight they ever had. That

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doesn't sound like somebody who's in a
happy relationship. If I found my wife

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TechEd death to somebody a month ago, I get it. I'm not going

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to say that that those things.
Of course, there was a roller coaster

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relationship, but it wasn't like anything
that was anything you would think that someone

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would hurt someone. It just would. I'm not I'm just addressing the fact

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that you you just told me plastics
must have been blissing and eight not.

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Yes, okay, there I have
been levels of that and you can check

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the other texts and they are super
I love you very much, up or

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down, it would relate, that
would go away, that would really go

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away, it would last for any
will you will you acknowledge that that's some

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pretty heavy ship When your wife said
I took off my wedding ring, I

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don't think we're going to stay together
heavy you think it is? It always

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swung back, We're always just wasn't
Why would you have said that whenever they

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asked how your relationship me? When
I didn't even remember that because it's not

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in my mindset. The good times
I've been so good, okay, but

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those But you know, you guys
are really going to try to I'm not

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trying to do anything. I'm I'm
reading your wife's words. That's I understand

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that. I understand it. And
you text her on New Year's Eve and

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say if you want to divorce,
you want me to move out? Fine?

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I mean, these are all things
I just printed off when you have

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very They aren't the usual fight like
I'm pissing you fuck off, I don't

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want to talk to you, and
I just leave me off for it's go

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golfing because I don't want to see
you right now, we're they alone.

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That's you know, well we make
it. That's pretty, that's it's not

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A isn't as heavy as you think
it is. It From looking at it

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from the outside, I can see
why someone would think that, but it's

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not. It's just she was saying
that to her friend. I mean,

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that's surprising to me because I wasn't
like, you know, I mean,

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at times you would say it would
be married too anymore if it doesn't go

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down the lines. And I'm sitting
in a police station right now, I

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mean being being like, you're going
out for me. He was answering all

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their questions, they just weren't the
answers they wanted here. Matt's claimed that

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their marriage was great didn't line up
with Emily's texts to friends. There were

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other things too, whether or not
he made a post to Facebook and which

407
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phone he had used. I just
need to know if you did it,

408
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,400
and there's nothing wrong with it.
I just I don't know. I can't.

409
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,840
I don't know, Matt. This
was two days ago, I know,

410
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:43,400
and you can't remember if on her
phone. I can't recall that.

411
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,000
I must. You don't remember that
two days ago. I don't. I

412
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:49,920
don't. I don't know if it
was me I got on. I must

413
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,119
have I did. I'm sure I
did. I can't say I definitively did,

414
00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:58,000
but I'm sure I got on,
So okay, I did. Didn't

415
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,559
that I didn't, You guys know, I want to say, Hey,

416
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:02,360
this is man. I'm Emily's husband. She's missing. I must have I

417
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:07,639
had. I just don't recall right
now if I did anything from her,

418
00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:15,559
because they're not up there. What
the posts. There's no posts that I

419
00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:22,760
made from her phone saying that she's
missing, because I didn't make any before

420
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:27,559
the phone was taken from me.
That's for that means because I didn't,

421
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,159
I wasn't like maybe it wasn't like, Hey, I'm guessing again, I'm

422
00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:37,480
guessing at some point I started making
posts on Facebook saying my wife's missing.

423
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:42,159
Whether it was prior to you guys
taking the phone from me or after,

424
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,679
I don't know, And I don't
think there's anything wrong with that. Matt

425
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:52,159
was talking in circles, seemingly telling
the officers what he thought they wanted to

426
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:57,079
hear, and then having to double
back when those statements trapped him in a

427
00:36:57,199 --> 00:37:01,159
lie. Then they asked him about
the rough sex. She's total. A

428
00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:06,320
girlfriend hers that I choked her and
she didn't like it, And is this

429
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,079
what you're saying? No, I
did. I have no idea. What

430
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,000
was it your idea or not.
I have no idea if it happened,

431
00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:16,039
if it was my idea or not, I have no recollection. But you

432
00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:21,239
just talked about your hands had been
at her neck. I we've been married

433
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,079
for two years. Guys, I
mean, I don't know where you're going

434
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:29,760
to this. I've never hurt her. That's not what we asked like during

435
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,599
sex, so I ever can I
remember a time where I was like,

436
00:37:31,639 --> 00:37:35,280
oh my god, I want to
choke her and this is really great ning

437
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,840
I'm doing her and she was like, okay, it's fine. And then

438
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,519
later on she says something to a
girlfriend. I have no idea. Was

439
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:44,679
that my question? I guess I'm
trying. I'm trying. It means defensive,

440
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,239
I'm worried. I'm looking at me. Well, then help us find

441
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,960
her. Okay, yeah, we
are on the same team, right,

442
00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:54,360
What does this have to do with
finding my wife? Because we have to.

443
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,679
When I have people calling in concerned
about it today, I have to

444
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:05,119
ask these questions. That's my job
asking question. I say that that they

445
00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:08,719
were concerned. Some random persons don't
even know. Yes, super, she's

446
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:13,760
a real great one. But I'm
telling you that clearly. You know,

447
00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:17,480
yeh, she's she's not to be
someone you should be listening to. But

448
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,920
did you talk to her? It
only takes five seconds in them she's full

449
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,159
of shit. Well, I all
I asked was a question. Ask me.

450
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:30,440
I'll try to answer the best I
can. I'll try. I'm sorry.

451
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:37,239
When you guys were having sex?
What at what point at a particular

452
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,000
time? Can you tell me a
particular time we're having sex? Was it

453
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:44,559
a year ago, last week?
Anytime when your penis has been in Emily?

454
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:49,800
Have your hands been around her neck? I think both of them a

455
00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:52,119
hand, maybe in hand? Okay, Like you know what I mean,

456
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:57,920
and I'm not judging either way.
Is that your thing or Emily's thing?

457
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,159
Both of ours? I would think, and she know if she ever told

458
00:39:01,199 --> 00:39:04,679
me to stop, I would stop. Good. That's what I wanted to

459
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,800
hear. Not just because I asked
a question doesn't mean that i'm It's just

460
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:13,880
a question, I promise you,
Okay. I don't understand why that would

461
00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:19,239
help you find where she is right
now. I don't get that. It

462
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:24,480
seems like you're trying to in something
something I don't feel comfortable. Matt felt

463
00:39:24,519 --> 00:39:30,199
like they were trying to pin her
murder on him before they even found a

464
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,920
body. Even though he was free
to go, he didn't leave because he

465
00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:37,440
knew how that would look. Guys, I did not hurt my wife.

466
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:43,119
I did not hurt my wife.
I loved her. Would you pass a

467
00:39:43,159 --> 00:39:45,000
lot of type of test? Absolutely? I wouldn't want to talk to a

468
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:52,000
lawyer though it. I mean I
asked a lawyer ask what if it's should

469
00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:54,039
I take one? I didn't even
know if they were well. The bottom

470
00:39:54,079 --> 00:40:00,559
line is we're here trying to find
your wife, and right now you want

471
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:01,239
to do it? Now you want
to do a lie detector? Right now?

472
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:07,000
He do you got? I'll go
great, It'll talk with it.

473
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:12,599
He agreed to a lie detector test. But this isn't your old fashioned polygraph.

474
00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:20,280
This isn't your grandpa's lide detector test. This is CVSA, or computerized

475
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:25,760
voice stress analysis. It uses a
microphone and a laptop to measure the smallest

476
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:30,840
of changes in the vocal cords,
rather than the various heart rate and respiration

477
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:37,679
monitors the polygraph uses. It's supposedly
far more accurate and requires less time and

478
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:43,719
fewer questions to get results. It
took longer to explain all of that to

479
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:49,800
you than it did to ask Matt
nine questions. Most of the questions were

480
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:55,679
control questions obviously true or obviously false. The only two questions that pertained to

481
00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,400
the case were number four, do
you know where Emily is? And number

482
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:13,559
six did you kill Emily? This
is not good? Yeah, that's real

483
00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:17,960
bad. If you answer a question
truthfully, your voice pattern will look like

484
00:41:19,039 --> 00:41:23,159
a Christmas tree. There were a
couple of answers that to the police didn't

485
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:29,599
really fit the bill. After studying
the results and deciding to confront him about

486
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:34,559
his deception, they brought him back
into the room and had him point out

487
00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:39,199
his own lies. How do you
think he did good? Which one do

488
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:44,800
you look like? The topic of
Christmas tree in your eyes? That one's

489
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,440
good, That one's good, That
one's good, that one'll get that good,

490
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,559
that one, and I'll get that. Man. So you said,

491
00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:54,159
like six is no good, but
yeah, like one, A lot of

492
00:41:54,199 --> 00:42:00,440
these are you tell me, sir? But Jess's tone, how did I

493
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,719
do? Tell me? I did
it? Tell me I'm fine, you

494
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,000
did not do it. That's one
that you picked out. How can this

495
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:13,719
be? I'm just pointed to you. I want to do it again.

496
00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:17,199
This right here is wanted you picked
out. And then that's what the question

497
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:22,400
is thinking I need a lawyer.
I guess I don't know what happened to

498
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:27,760
Emily. I don't know what happened
to it. He genuinely seemed baffled,

499
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,519
but the police weren't buying yet.
They were convinced he was involved, and

500
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,920
they just had to get him to
confess. Why do you think hav an

501
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:42,719
Emily? How would you guess anybody
think she could hear herself? How do

502
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,639
you think she hurt herself? She
would save it, she was gonna do

503
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:52,519
it, She could hear herself.
So do you think that she follow herself?

504
00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:58,480
I don't know. I don't Just
what does your gut say she hurt

505
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:05,280
herself? That's your belief, And
I'm gonna say, you know you think

506
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,519
I'm Lyne. We were just talking. Do you think I that I did

507
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:13,679
something to her in the middle of
I took her somewhere and then he my

508
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,239
own went through what I went through? You saw my texting, did what

509
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:22,199
I did today? Does that seem
like something something killed her would have done?

510
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,039
I mean, I'm leading that one. I'll be honest with them.

511
00:43:24,199 --> 00:43:25,920
I don't. I don't. I
don't. I don't know what else to

512
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,079
do. I can't. I mean, everything seems like that I'm telling as

513
00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:32,920
probably something I actually be the same. What am I gonna? What would

514
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:37,320
you do if you were me and
you were in what would you do the

515
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:42,559
exact same thing that I'm doing right
now? I don't know. I don't

516
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:46,360
know what's like? This appears to
me to be very strange that I would

517
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:51,159
fail something that I know I'm not
on it. You were the last person

518
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:54,440
to see her life. I was. She didn't float into heaven, she

519
00:43:54,519 --> 00:44:00,679
didn't. Something happened in this just
happened to me right now. People the

520
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:05,119
stuff, it's okay, it's not
okay. We just need to understr there's

521
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,199
something that might have happened to my
wife and weren't here talking to me about

522
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:12,960
it and I didn't do anything is
very odd. I know you are.

523
00:44:13,039 --> 00:44:15,880
You get angry with me, but
I'm not knowing. I'm suspicious of what's

524
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:21,880
going on? Now? What am
I doing? Am I still a consensual

525
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:28,320
Thanks absolutely, Can I leave you? How this looks? I didn't do

526
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,719
anything? You understand how this looks? You fucking killed her? Oh I

527
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,960
didn't, sir, bullshit, I
didn't. I didn't kill you killed her

528
00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:38,440
and it was an accident and we
need to get this result. That didn't

529
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,159
happen. It didn't happen. It
did happen. To tell you she's dead?

530
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,119
How did you? Where is she? I'm what are you talking about?

531
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:49,679
That's why I wait here here saying
they have seen her. People are

532
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:55,559
bullishit. Her vote says you're pullish
that thanks bullishit. You understand how this

533
00:44:55,639 --> 00:44:59,320
looks? Did it to everything?
You guys? I didn't. I didn't

534
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,360
do anything to my wife. Trust
I don't know her. I didn threw

535
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:07,599
her out like I didn't. I
didn't tell me. I don't know right

536
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:13,159
now. I didn't. I don't
know why I did a dream. I

537
00:45:13,199 --> 00:45:17,119
didn't do anything to my wife.
This is a dream. Matt would get

538
00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:23,679
up and leave. After that barrage
of accusations that was two days after Emily

539
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:30,119
went missing, the investigation would seemingly
stall After that. Days would turn to

540
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:35,679
weeks, and the community continued searching. We love you. We miss you,

541
00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:39,440
we cared deeply about you. We've
not forgotten about you. We will

542
00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:45,719
continue this until we get some some
kind of closure. As time went on,

543
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:50,920
a strange thing happened, and people
that never knew Emily flocked to help

544
00:45:51,039 --> 00:45:53,199
search for her. I thought to
myself one day, I want to I

545
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,559
want to go look, she's local. Why not help? And I just

546
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,039
felt the connect show like I I
needed to search. It's been a real

547
00:46:01,079 --> 00:46:08,119
big, nice outcorn of support and
strength, overwhelming knowing how many people were

548
00:46:08,199 --> 00:46:14,679
willing to put their lives on hold
and just walk the miles, take times

549
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:20,679
off of their jobs. The only
person not searching for Emily was Matt.

550
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:28,719
He didn't join a single organized search. Instead, he contacted the Vanished podcast

551
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:36,960
asking for help and peculiarly described Emily
as quote very small, She's like a

552
00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:45,159
hundred pounds, pretty legs, pretty
arms end quote. Despite all the volunteers

553
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:50,039
and the assumption that they were simply
looking for remains at this point, Emily

554
00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:54,519
was missing for weeks and then months. It's been almost three months without any

555
00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:59,599
real sign of Emily. Noble aounced
why family, friends and a professional team

556
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:04,800
or out here making sure no Stone
goes unturned from the areas that you guys

557
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,400
are suggested. We're going to focus
on the Album Creek area today. Obviously

558
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,360
we're hoping for the best, but
we have to look at all possibilities at

559
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:15,320
this point. We're looking from anything
from finding Emily, hopefully safely, to

560
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,000
unfortunately possibly finding remains. At this
point, we there were three months out

561
00:47:19,039 --> 00:47:22,159
and have had no contact with her
at all. Then in mid September,

562
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:27,000
a nine one one call came in
night moll, mom, what is your

563
00:47:27,039 --> 00:47:31,840
emergency? Hi? We are searching
for Emily Noble. We are in the

564
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:37,320
wooded area near her condo, and
we do we are. There's a person

565
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:42,679
here with a rope in the woods
and I don't know what in our A

566
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,039
dead body. So there's a dead
body? It is, we think,

567
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,719
let me think it is? Okay, Okay, it looks like they've hung

568
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:54,400
themselves. It looks like they've hung
themselves. Yeah, can you tell?

569
00:47:54,519 --> 00:48:05,239
It's a mail or a female?
A femaleology tiny and hanging from a tree,

570
00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:10,400
coming down from a tree from the
ground. He's on the ground,

571
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,559
her knees are on the ground.
I turned around, my fat I saw

572
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:22,000
a little girl and I said,
hi, Okay, but it wasn't a

573
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:28,480
little girl. It was the decomposed
body of an apparent suicide victim. The

574
00:48:28,519 --> 00:48:32,679
police arrived quickly and sealed off the
scene. At first, I thought I

575
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:40,000
couldn't even tell that that was That
almost looks like a little like a bag.

576
00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:45,760
The weathered body resembled the color of
a worn out paper bag. After

577
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:52,400
being exposed to the elements for an
unknown period of time, it was found

578
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:58,039
kneeling with the neck still hanging from
the USB cord they used as a ligature.

579
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,920
The saddest part of all was the
apparent lengths this person went through to

580
00:49:04,039 --> 00:49:12,239
be successful. One hand was still
gripping the ankle. Smell just smell de

581
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:19,639
comforble, kind of a harden her
to smell to describe, but it's distinct,

582
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,960
is she. Yeah, it looks
like there's a rope. Come from

583
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:31,400
the top of this. Come over
up, there's a black rope. Whoever

584
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:37,320
it is, it's they've been there
for a while. That's crazy, is

585
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:43,760
how close it is to the room. That's also this is a little suspicious.

586
00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:49,320
The proximity of the remains to the
road was a little suspicious. The

587
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:54,280
body was mere feet off a major
thoroughfare in a small valley surrounded by trees

588
00:49:54,440 --> 00:50:00,519
and undergrowth. But what was perhaps
more suspicious was the fact that the body

589
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:06,719
was only a few hundred feet from
Matt's home and exactly where he said to

590
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,239
search from the very beginning. So
this is really sensitive. We've heard of

591
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:15,000
things. I'm asking this is likely
our victims. Yeah, they're missing.

592
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:22,199
We've got to worry about what's happening
over there at the suspect stops. They

593
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:29,519
were cautious to identify the remains as
Emily's after the exhaustive search for over three

594
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:34,000
months, but the following week they
had an update for the public. We've

595
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:38,519
used outside volunteer groups that specialize in
these type of searches. You know,

596
00:50:39,039 --> 00:50:43,199
all kinds of volunteer groups have been
into help. Like I said, we've

597
00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:46,280
through all kinds of different areas of
the city. We've used so in our

598
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:53,199
to search lakes. We've responded to
strong odors and officers actually found the deer

599
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:58,960
on one search where they we we
went to a strong odor. We've responded

600
00:50:59,039 --> 00:51:06,519
to calls. Frankly, people have
seen vultures in certain areas circling and we've

601
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:10,599
responded to those areas. As unpleasant
as that sounds. It's just to give

602
00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:15,360
you an idea about how seriously we've
taken this and that we've utilized every asset

603
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:23,400
available and searching for Emily. Today, we received word from the corner's office

604
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:30,840
that Ma Nobles dental records are consistent
with the remains that we're found off County

605
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:36,880
Line Road last week. Wpd's going
to continue to conduct our investigation to try

606
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,079
to figure out how the body got
in the location that didal on County Line

607
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:44,679
Road. There's still a lot of
work to be done. We can confirm

608
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:50,639
that that area was searched on three
separate occasions by Westerville Police detectives Westerville Police

609
00:51:50,639 --> 00:51:53,599
personnel, and on at least one
of those occasions, a cadavertog was used.

610
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:59,719
They found her three and a half
months after she went missing, with

611
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:05,480
a walking distance of her home.
The announcement that they searched that area three

612
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:10,320
times, one of those times with
cadaver dogs and didn't find her, suggested

613
00:52:10,639 --> 00:52:16,119
she hadn't been there since May.
This only cast more suspicion on Matt,

614
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:22,599
but nothing happened. More months would
pass, around the time of Emily's fifty

615
00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:29,199
third birthday and the anniversary of her
disappearance, Matt held a remembrance party.

616
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:36,880
Then a month later, authorities shared
the opinion of the coroner. His findings

617
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,880
were very clear. He said that
this was clearly a homicide based on the

618
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:45,559
injuries that were sustained in the mechanism
of those injuries. He also gave his

619
00:52:45,639 --> 00:52:49,039
opinion that her body was staged to
appear though it was a suicide. In

620
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:53,239
his opinion, that was absolutely not
the case. The quiet neighborhood Matt lived

621
00:52:53,320 --> 00:53:09,079
in was swarmed by officers and Matt
was arrested. Perfect all hell, Mat,

622
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:16,039
use your left hand and unlocked the
door only your left hand. Put

623
00:53:16,119 --> 00:53:24,639
your hands back on your hand.
Student move. The overwhelming police presence seemed

624
00:53:24,639 --> 00:53:31,440
to be overkill, especially since Matt
seemed to be cooperating and was arrested without

625
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:37,440
incident in the back of the police
cruiser. He only had a couple of

626
00:53:37,519 --> 00:53:45,719
thoughts, what the fuck? Emily
an Iman. While it seems like the

627
00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:51,920
end of the road for Matt Moore
and the saga of Emily Noble's disappearance,

628
00:53:52,960 --> 00:54:22,840
the story was only just beginning.
Matt Moore was arrested over a year after

629
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:28,159
he reported his wife missing. Finding
Emily's body more than three months later,

630
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:32,559
hanging from a USB cord in the
very woods. He suggested searching only made

631
00:54:32,599 --> 00:54:38,440
the police even more suspicious than they
already were. The city of Westerville searched

632
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:44,599
to find Emily, only to find
her in the worst possible way. Now

633
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:49,519
her husband was facing a trial,
and the community was less than shocked.

634
00:54:50,039 --> 00:54:53,920
There's no way this is a mistake, Like Matt wanted to say, we

635
00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:59,320
knew he did this from the beginning, his family or our family and friends.

636
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:04,280
We just bit our tongue and let
the officers do what they needed to

637
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,639
do, and we knew this was
going to be the outcome, that he

638
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:14,000
was going to be arrested, and
hopefully it will follow through and he will

639
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:21,039
serve time in jail, hopefully a
lifetime. The running theory was that Matt,

640
00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:25,199
after taking Emily out to celebrate her
birthday, returned home and put his

641
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:31,199
plan into action. They thought he
spent the night carefully crafting his narrative.

642
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:38,559
His phone and social media both revealed
activity during the late night early morning hours

643
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:45,159
odd Facebook posts, sent three am
texts to his brother, presumably to cover

644
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:51,840
his trail. The next morning,
they surmised he followed Emily into those woods

645
00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:58,639
and strangled her, staging the scene
to look like a suicide, because there

646
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,760
was no way Emily would do that
and no one else would want her dead.

647
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:07,199
They also found it suspicious that he
waited so long to report her missing

648
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:14,280
and then had the convenient theory of
suicide when he finally did. This was,

649
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:19,480
of course, all built around their
experience with Matt and the coroner's opinion

650
00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:24,320
that Emily's injuries were not consistent with
hanging. None of this was actual evidence

651
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:30,760
that Matt did anything, But further
support came when they uncovered a history of

652
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:49,199
abuse against Matt's ex wife orally he
did for sories and head and sucked.

653
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:57,199
It happened a one time and a
one time in all those years, and

654
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:02,280
she happened to be pregnant at the
time. But that was the only instance

655
00:57:02,519 --> 00:57:09,719
in his history that supported their theory. But with suspicion comes down. Ever

656
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:17,199
since, I've found out that the
details I didn't know the details. Well,

657
00:57:17,199 --> 00:57:25,039
once the details were made clear to
me, I started to lean forward.

658
00:57:29,239 --> 00:57:34,679
The trial would be postponed until twenty
twenty two and then play out over

659
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:39,280
a lengthy seven days of testimony.
I want to stop here and ask the

660
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:45,880
audience. You you sitting there right
now, or jogging or doing laundry,

661
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:50,400
whatever the hell you're doing. I
want to ask you, do you believe

662
00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:54,800
Matt? Did you believe him during
his contact with law enforcement? Did you

663
00:57:55,480 --> 00:58:00,079
notice anything in his voice that made
you suspicious that made you think that he

664
00:58:00,239 --> 00:58:07,559
was guilty? Or did he sound
sincere? What was your first good instinct?

665
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:13,480
And did it change as you kept
listening? Hold on to that thought,

666
00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:21,280
because what happened next changed everything.
The defense based its argument on how

667
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:27,360
absurd it was for police to suspect
Matt at all. It's one of those

668
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,679
things that no matter how many times
you say it doesn't make it true.

669
00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:35,119
No one else would do this,
No one else would do this. Okay,

670
00:58:35,159 --> 00:58:38,880
well, no other suspects were ever
developed. We know on the twenty

671
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:43,760
fifth he's taken into the police station, he's asked to come down in the

672
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,320
back of a cruiser. And you
saw one of your exhibits is he was

673
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:52,199
read his miranda rights right. This
is on the twenty seventh of May.

674
00:58:52,800 --> 00:59:00,719
He's their guy, and in fact
they continue to work from May twenty all

675
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:07,960
the way to June seventeenth of the
following year to charge it because they kept

676
00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:13,960
just looking, look, look.
They argued that his actions weren't that of

677
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,719
a criminal mastermind trying to get away
with murder, but those of a concerned

678
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:23,960
husband who loved his wife. The
prosecution didn't think any of that mattered.

679
00:59:24,639 --> 00:59:30,360
They felt her text messages to friends
proved their relationship was on the rocks,

680
00:59:30,199 --> 00:59:36,599
and the evidence of Perry mordem bone
fractures in the neck and the bridge of

681
00:59:36,639 --> 00:59:42,599
her nose suggested she was strangled and
her body was staged in those woods.

682
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:49,199
The chief of police told Westerville community
and the public at large, we searched

683
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:54,039
that area three times with law enforcement
and once with ducks. Nobody said the

684
00:59:54,119 --> 01:00:01,639
perimeter. And here's what else in
here? More? What sword the master

685
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:08,440
the main criminal mastermind? And I'm
want to talk about whether Matt Moore is

686
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:15,800
the main criminal mastermind. A second, he takes them to the exact area

687
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:20,880
and says this is where she forges. And then even the state of Ohio

688
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:22,880
and their closing argument just now had
to conceive that do you know what he

689
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:29,679
says, you might want to go
in. Oh, that's a bad fact,

690
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,599
right, And you know why he
wouldn't want to go away is it

691
01:00:32,719 --> 01:00:37,480
because he doesn't want to find her? Actually, I agree with that.

692
01:00:38,719 --> 01:00:44,679
You know why I doesn't want to
find her because ten months earlier his son

693
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:51,760
was hanging from a tree in the
woods. I wouldn't want to go in

694
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:57,119
a wooded area either. The defense
claimed the entire case was built on a

695
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:02,280
stack of inferences. That doesn't go
into the woods and search for her,

696
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:06,519
and so that inference should lead you
to the fact that he didn't want to

697
01:01:06,639 --> 01:01:08,360
find her, and that should leads
you to the fact that he killed her.

698
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:15,039
I remember asking a about the fact
that she didn't come to Ohio and

699
01:01:15,159 --> 01:01:19,559
search for her sister. Was no
indication of whether she loved her sister or

700
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:24,239
not. She said, that's right. Why is it okay for some and

701
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:30,639
not for others not to mention during
all those searches, the whole town kind

702
01:01:30,679 --> 01:01:35,679
of thought he was the murderer.
But back to inferences. But you cannot

703
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:43,039
draw an inference and an inference,
so what does it mean? Literally six

704
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:49,880
days of textait seven today it is
she did she commit suicide? No,

705
01:01:50,039 --> 01:01:52,360
she didn't commit suicide, so she
must have been killed. Well, if

706
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:58,320
she was killed, it's Matt Moore. That's inference. Second not supported by

707
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:02,199
the evidence. We think he did
this, we think he did that.

708
01:02:02,719 --> 01:02:07,360
Now, we think she went for
a walk in mad because of a text

709
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:13,519
he sent on May seventh to his
friend that on May twenty four, after

710
01:02:13,679 --> 01:02:17,039
they've had a nice day together,
that he now is working and going and

711
01:02:17,199 --> 01:02:22,679
following her and killing her in the
woods. That's not just one inference.

712
01:02:22,719 --> 01:02:27,760
At upon an inference, it's probably
eight or nine or ten, but it's

713
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:34,679
speculation. And then their argument that
Emily would have never committed suicide. They

714
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:43,239
taught to tell you that Emily was
happy. She was forking, eating plants,

715
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:54,079
nettles, so there's no way she
could have committed suicide. We talked

716
01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:59,280
about suicide board here, and we
talked about mental health, and I really

717
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:04,119
mean this. We are all smarter, and I know each and every one

718
01:03:04,159 --> 01:03:08,960
of you truly. If mental health
were that simple, we would live in

719
01:03:09,039 --> 01:03:15,400
a much different world. It's not. It is not that simple to say

720
01:03:15,519 --> 01:03:21,280
they seem happy. It's just not. Because the truth is, and you'll

721
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:25,400
see in the counseling records that Emily
had a history of depression and anxiety,

722
01:03:27,519 --> 01:03:31,760
that she had struggled with prior loss
and trauma. Look through the records,

723
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:37,280
and see how many times you see
the word trauma and loss and grief and

724
01:03:37,519 --> 01:03:44,639
sets. Emily had suffered a lot
in recent years. Her former husband committed

725
01:03:44,679 --> 01:03:50,840
suicide. A short time later,
his brother committed suicide. Then her father

726
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:55,800
fell hit his head and never recovered. A short time after that, her

727
01:03:55,840 --> 01:04:01,920
mother died in a car accident.
Then she met Matt and his son Joey.

728
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:10,119
Not long after they married and moved
in together, Joey too committed suicide.

729
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:16,519
That's a lot of trauma for anyone
to deal with well. Emily never

730
01:04:16,679 --> 01:04:24,079
expressed struggling emotionally to her friends.
Matt did say she had some suicidal ideation

731
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:29,159
and even said if she were to
do it, she would hang herself.

732
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,480
This has all been made out to
be so horrific, right, It really

733
01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:36,559
happened is Emily went to nature to
find her peace, and you'll see that

734
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:43,920
counting records that that's where she found
peace. She went there and she grabbed

735
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:47,039
her ankles. You know why,
she grabbed her ankles so that she wouldn't

736
01:04:47,079 --> 01:04:54,480
stop herself and killing herself. That's
what you do because you know that when

737
01:04:54,519 --> 01:04:59,639
you kill yourself, your natural instinct
is going to need to stop that ankle

738
01:04:59,719 --> 01:05:03,159
is. And here's what else we
know in terms of the mastermind, criminal

739
01:05:03,199 --> 01:05:08,760
mind. Over here, there's alcohol
in the water bottle, her vate pen

740
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:14,519
is in her left pocket, and
a vappen on her left side within her

741
01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:17,000
reach. Do you know what we
do? What's common sense when we're in

742
01:05:17,079 --> 01:05:23,960
moments of real stress. We turned
to our vices, right, We turned

743
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:28,039
to our vices. And here's else
what we do, sup We're gonna kill

744
01:05:28,079 --> 01:05:31,760
herself. We don't want anyone now. We don't take an orange cord in

745
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:36,880
the garage because we know she's wearing
leggings with pockets. It takes something that

746
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:41,639
fits in our pockets so that we
can go on our walk with our water

747
01:05:41,719 --> 01:05:45,599
bottle and no one can work into
anything what it was. But the crux

748
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:53,280
of this case was the suicide being
deemed staged by the coroner. Well,

749
01:05:53,760 --> 01:06:00,079
corners can't really give medical opinions.
Only medical examiners can. So the defense

750
01:06:00,199 --> 01:06:08,559
argued the Westerville p D operated under
presumed guilt and validated their unwarranted suspicions on

751
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:14,159
the opinion of a layman. They
claimed the injuries were consistent with strangulation,

752
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:21,199
but those injuries are also consistent with
you guessed it hanging. The defense rested

753
01:06:21,519 --> 01:06:27,559
after seven days and the decision of
Matt's fate was handed to the jury.

754
01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:31,800
Verdict on count one, we had
the jury ving Julian Panels for and finding

755
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:38,480
defendant Matthew Elmore not guilty of murder
as he stands charged in count one of

756
01:06:38,519 --> 01:06:45,400
the indictment dated the twenty sixth of
August twenty two, signed by all twelve

757
01:06:45,679 --> 01:06:53,159
members of the panel. Matt was
found not guilty on all counts and was

758
01:06:53,280 --> 01:07:00,519
made a freeman. The jury had
a reasonable doubt that Matt killed Emily.

759
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:05,599
When Matt hurt the verdict, he
broke down into tears. I thought I

760
01:07:05,639 --> 01:07:10,000
was going to get convicted. They
didn't have a chance to mourn my wife

761
01:07:10,719 --> 01:07:14,840
because of the pressure from police in
the community. So it was like I

762
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:18,280
had to put it away so that
I could deal with being accused of murderer.

763
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:23,719
Rate when I was found not guilty
is when I started to be able

764
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:28,599
to grieve her. So that's why
probably I got emotionally. That was her

765
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:33,519
more than anything else. Finally he
could mourn the loss of his wife now

766
01:07:33,559 --> 01:07:39,559
that he was no longer suspected of
her murder. In the months since,

767
01:07:40,039 --> 01:07:46,239
he's poured his thoughts about this whole
ordeal into a book called Emily A Staged

768
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:53,840
Suicide in Ohio. He felt that
he needed to tell his side of things.

769
01:07:54,559 --> 01:07:57,199
What do you think do you think
my story was out there? You're

770
01:07:57,239 --> 01:08:00,079
not going to get the truth from
the media. You're not going to get

771
01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:04,599
the truth from what the worstful police
apartment fed the media. And if you

772
01:08:04,719 --> 01:08:10,840
ever doubted Matt, here's one of
the jurors who freedom. I knew from

773
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:15,600
day one I thought he was not
guilty, and the prosecutors never changed my

774
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:20,680
mind. I didn't falter on how
I felt, not for one minute.

775
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:28,760
I just thought Matt Moore seemed very
cooperative and wanted to be helpful, and

776
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:33,720
he acted like he was very distraught
over his wife disappearing. And that was

777
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:40,600
the first thing that I thought right
away that this wasn't He wasn't putting on

778
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:46,439
a show. He was truly wanting
to help. Honestly, I thought he

779
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:56,000
was a nice guy that was totally
manipulated and tricked. I just will never

780
01:08:56,119 --> 01:09:01,359
believe he killed his wife. But
the people that are I think I'm guilty,

781
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:05,039
and there's nothing I'm gonna say that
change that because there's a lot of

782
01:09:05,079 --> 01:09:10,960
stuff that they didn't knowledge it that
the book will help them with. I

783
01:09:11,079 --> 01:09:15,840
hope her family reads it. There's
a lot to unpack in this episode.

784
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:20,920
First, don't talk to cops without
a lawyer. That is. Second,

785
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:29,239
the police seriously failed in this investigation. The criminal justice system broke down.

786
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:35,479
It didn't work, and sometimes that
is the case. Unfortunately, law enforcement,

787
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:40,920
after all, is made up of
humans, and these particular humans hyped

788
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:45,680
themselves up that Matt did it because
they couldn't find the body. But they

789
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:51,159
couldn't find the body because they blatantly
ignored Matt's direction to the nearest wooded area.

790
01:09:53,159 --> 01:09:58,760
After all, it was too thick
to traverse. Wow, all that

791
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:05,159
time and money wasted investigating a widower. Not only did Matt have to suffer

792
01:10:05,319 --> 01:10:13,399
another family death, but then he
suffered being accused of murder. When asked

793
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:18,760
why he thought Emily committed suicide,
he answered simply, well, that's not

794
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:24,199
a doctor. Emily was a very
deep person. She had a hard life.

795
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,399
You know what, my son commits
suicide? What did he? I

796
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:33,880
mean? I don't it's I don't
understand it. Who ununderstands suicide? Now?

797
01:10:34,159 --> 01:10:39,399
I ask you, do you think
if Emily knew that Matt would be

798
01:10:39,520 --> 01:11:00,960
accused of her murder but she had
followed through with her plan. Well that

799
01:11:01,159 --> 01:11:04,880
does it again for another one.
Thank you so much for joining us,

800
01:11:05,039 --> 01:11:10,840
and we hope we'll see you again
next time. But in the meantime,

801
01:11:11,279 --> 01:11:16,760
I'll be here trying to fix this
fucking computer, which it's been serving us

802
01:11:17,359 --> 01:11:23,600
quite effectively for the last five to
ten years. I don't know. I

803
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,960
know I should have gotten a new
one, but it's about to die,

804
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:31,680
along with my ability to record,
so I better get to it pretty soon.

805
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:35,520
Boy, when it rains at forest, doesn't it first the website,

806
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:41,359
then the studio. I wonder what's
next. I wonder if the government's going

807
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:45,319
to seize my bank accounts? Who
knows. That's why life's a party and

808
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:49,239
never know what's going to happen.
In any case, we hope to see

809
01:11:49,239 --> 01:11:58,319
you next time. Until then,
stay safe, Hey, Mike, this

810
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:04,119
is why at Colin I just finish
your Plus episode one, US two and

811
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:13,079
Man, one of the best episodes
I've heard Crazies on Plus. I gotta

812
01:12:13,159 --> 01:12:17,399
say I love the podcast. Man. You know, sometimes I don't agree

813
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:21,239
with your opinions for sure, but
a lot of times I do, and

814
01:12:21,359 --> 01:12:27,039
I think that you know, you
got a great show and you don't have

815
01:12:27,359 --> 01:12:32,439
to throw someone completely away just because
you don't agree with one or two of

816
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:41,399
their opinions or something they said once. So fantastic show, fantastic Plus.

817
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:47,039
I keep getting grown Away five episodes
that are on Plus, so feel free

818
01:12:47,079 --> 01:12:50,399
to use this to plug your free
and subscriptions. But man, yeah,

819
01:12:51,319 --> 01:12:57,279
great work, keep it up,
love the stories. Wish people weren't so

820
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:01,319
fucking bad, but uh yeah,
he man, have a good one by it