I was listening to the story about It was the story of a family in
Washington and the little boy called the big Foot the cowboy man, and he
had apparently it had made an effort to steal this kid. And it hit
me. My children were in that play pen behind me with nothing but a
mosquito net over him. It could have crept up behind me and taken both
of my children and I wouldn't know. His father just got like a Mustang
or something from Wyoming, Okay. He had it out in the corral because
he couldn't put it in the barn with in the stalls with the other horses.
It would cake and made all the other horses nervous. At a seminal
Indian work in the horse trying to break it. Every day they had it
out in the corral. The skunky snunk up behind this horse and grabbed it
bon its hind quarters. This particular horse kicks out, jumps over the corral,
runs into the pair, you know, to get away. At this
point, the ranchers out there just blessed away with the dirty, dirty sun
gave blends into the swamp. I went up there one day after that or
two days after that, I went up there and sat in the silence up
there, and I'm telling you, man, it was free. It was
crazy, you know it was. There was a crazy vibe up there.
Still. I did what I could to kind of get things under control.
But I told her, I said, you need to get off this property.
I feel like, no matter how strong you are, it's almost like
standing in the ocean. You can't stand still without moving your feet. You're
gonna get knocked over eventually. No matter how strong whatever, you can't withstand
a barrage of of weird spiritual energy. What's up everybody's waye Welcome back to
Paranormal Odyssey, guys. We got a cool one lined up for you today.
Had a chance to sit down with Tim from Florida. Tim is known
as the Long Hair ghost Hunter. He was one of the founders of the
Afterlife All Stars paranormal investigation group. Like I said, from my down in
Florida, South Florida. Actually had a really really good talk with Tim.
I'm excited for you guys to hear it. Check it out. Let me
know what you'd think. I'm not gonna waste any more time. Let's get
started. Team with up. Buddy. Hey, guys doing good, good,
very very well. Thank you so much for taking the time to come
and hang out with us on this Tuesday evening. Cool it is. That's
all. Raleigh fingers, Raleigh Fingers, Yeah, thank you, yeah for
clearing that up here. You know we were tim you and I we were
talking about the vaults before you you got family from up around the Knoxville area.
I want to give a shout out to my UH balls baseball team just
won the national championship. They were always hot. Oh yeah, they won
the College World Series, first one ever. They've been the best baseball team
in the country for the last four years, but they have been knocked out
in the World Series. But this year they got it done. So congratulations
to my balls. They did great and because got Harrey got the UM and
they were like good dynasty for years. I remember the last I think the
last time I think it was nineteen ninety nine, Tennessee got knocked out by
Miami and that's when we were picked to win it all. And I said,
yeah, they have a really good baseball program. But but Tennessee has
a picture that has one of these, so I did it in honor of
him. So they did great. Yeah, anyway, tim uh, you
are a ghost hunter. Tell us about the organization and how you got your
start and what got you interested. I'm a retired paramedic, so I never
had that thing like Grandma standing at my bed or nothing like that. It
was just after, you know, a paramedic in Miami, we saw a
lot of death over the years. I worked on the streets in and in
the r so I figured one day, like it was twenty five years ago,
I said, you know, there's got to be something more than just
putting people in the ground. And I found that once you kind of opened
yourself up to it. You know, I started hearing noises when I was
walking down hallways. I heard my name a few times, got my hair
tugged on a few times. So it kind of went from I wonder,
there's got to be more to it too. Now what do they want?
What do they want to tell us? And I just started investigating like that.
And you know when I started, there was you know, we had
a compass, baby powder, you know, nothing like what we got today.
It was just it was very primitive. And then I've started teams.
I built teams, I've been on teams. I give lectures on it now
on ghost hunting and the team now I'm with is real product is After Life
all Stars would Chane up she Haunts and the other ladies. I've met all
these ladies through events that I've been doing, and they always seem to be
excited about ghost hunting and looking for answers. Yeah, there they are.
They're sweet. Yeah, they're there to look for answers and try to find
answers for the client, or more importantly, they're there to introduce the field
to people when we do our investigations, our public investigations, introduce the field
in an honest manner, you know, and not try to make things up.
Just let people know what it's about and get to know the tools.
So they're a special group. Earlier or now I just heard you say,
Tim that they try to do things for the clients. Now do y'all take
Do people call y'all when when they are they believe they're having a problem with
spirits and y'all come and check, or what do y'all do? Yeah,
we'll get a call, we do, you know, residents, businesses,
people will call and say they think they hear stuff or they got a feeling
and things. So what we do is will it'll be like me and Jean
or someone else. We'll do a preliminary We'll go there, we get a
feel for the place, get another client, do some baseline readings, maybe
some EVPs, and to see if it's really paranormal or if we can find
out what else it could be. Because I've done places where they hear scratching
at night, and down here in South Florida we don't have addicts per se,
we have parol spaces. I lift up the you know, the look
there, and I flashed the light around and I saw four eyes. And
I told the lady, I go, honey, you got raccoons. No,
no ghost. She's okay. So, and we've had it where we've
called the electromagnetic field reader will pick up a crazy reading on an outlet.
So basically they just got an electrical lead. And if you get a high
MF reading and you're like living with it, it'll play with your head.
It'll make you like you're dizzy, nauseous being touched, things like that.
So we've had a lot of times I just said, call the electrician out,
see what he says, and after if we need to come back we'll
come back. So, yeah, we do. We'll do anything. You
know, people call us for lace at houses, businesses. I've done a
lot of schools on the sly. We've done hotels, museums, things like
that. Yeah, I don't know if you mentioned you're in South Florida up.
Yeah, South Florida. We're based out of I guess Pemrick Pines,
but also like West pomp Beach for Lauderdale areas like that. Well we go,
we go all over the place. So we're there to find some answers.
Why is it the Florida sayings to just be so damn creepy? You
know, it's weird because I get called by I've had I've been called by
producers sometimes because I've been doing this so long. And when I tell them
South Florida, they're always shocked how active it is. And I go,
well, you know, down here we had you know, we had Native
American wars, Civil War pirates, We've had our own drug lords for years.
South Florida was known for uh Mafia because al Capone has a lot of
history down here. There's places there's a hotel and Coral Gables where a monster
was killed and that room's supposed to be active. So we have so much
activity just you know, just been buried here for years and people are always
shocked at you know why South Florida. You know, like you know everybody,
I guess somebody thinks if you're not up northeast then there's no activity and
that's all it's. You know, like like Tennessee and Virginia have Civil War
history, so you know, we've imaged Civil War history down here. So
it's just I always tell people that go, it's not the house, because
everybody thinks Florida South Florida is so newly built, But it's the property.
Usually it's not the apt Sometimes it's the property, not the buildings sitting on
it or the people into location. It's the property. Yeah, you guys
get very much activity within the schools because I've seen so many videos of people
going and investigating high schools, elementary schools, you know, middle schools,
and they are always so it's almost like the schools that are investigated, it's
more culture guised activity. Yeah, we f had. I mean, I'm
a big autism advocate, so down here in Broward, so I got to
know a lot of the principles so a lot of principals will call me and
say, hey, Tim, can you come check out my school? But
don't tell the cleaning people while you're here, or they won't come back.
So I was just telling me, I go, well, we'll tell them
we're going to be like a you know, testing new security equipment. Like
okay. But we've had people seeing apparitions poke their head in their office.
I had a ladies that an old lady sticks are head in their office every
night. One night at one school, they caught a life size apparition on
the camera where the bus slip is and it was making purposeful mark walking.
And when I did a little checking around, I found out there's some guy
off himself in that area like five years prior. And schools are just known
to be active. You know, they had theaters. You know, a
lot of schools down here Field years are active. And y I guess you
know I've never thought about that. I mean, that's a good question.
Why. I mean the schools you think about you think about well, I
think about fun. That's where you grew up, you made friends and learned
and stuff. I mean, wow, at school, But there might be
it because I mean, you know, the old lady I found out.
I think old lady was volunteering at the school and she's been there for years
and she had a massive MND died in the library, but she probably enjoyed
being there because she volunteered her time for many years. A lot of people,
you know, it's like everyone's the one I ever find his memories.
We've you know, I've had it where people think it's just you know,
students have died at some schools from falls and things like that, so maybe
it's the student that you know that was his last place there. But schools
are always crazy. Schools in theater are always nuts. Yet theaters. Yeah,
and that's what I've heard is because you have so many different energies there,
you know, like happiness and you know, depression and sadness and stress
because you know, anxiety, so all of that leaves an imprint within the
building itself, and it's just like it's this feeding frenzy. Yeah, it's
I've done eight or nine and I think eight or nine I did that.
We're active. I've gotten like twelve or thirteen, but eight or nine I've
had some kind of stuff going on there, and it's just a comfortable place
from I think, you know, they just remember the good times. Yeah,
that poor guy remember the bad times. Yeah, but we got uh
Gina Locke. Is this Gina from She Haunts? Yeah? There she is.
Tim is a great investigator and paranormal team member. I wanted to say
hello to Gina. She is the lady we had on What She Haunts.
We got to get you back, ma'am. I know we talked about it
briefly, getting you back for a part two, but we need to get
you back. Thank you for hanging out tonight. She's sweet. Yeah,
what does she say? Schools are also a really happy place for many children,
so maybe they choose to go there. Yeah, they might have like
a rough home life. In the schools, the only like for teachers care
for them and give them some comfort and support. That maybe all they get.
I remember, like most of us, I'm sure most people would agree.
While you're in school, especially high school, you can't wait to get
out. I can't wait to get out of high school. And then now
as an adult, I'd give anything if I could go back. Yeah.
Yeah, like, oh my god, I got to go to work every
day. Yeah, I don't get the summers off no, No, that's
your teacher. No, that's right. Well, one of the questions I
asked I remember asking her when she was on I want to ask you as
well, tim Saint Augustine. I've heard so many stories about Saint Augustine being
like very very haunted, and Gina was able to share a little bit about
that city. Are you familiar at all with anything out there. I've gone
up there. I've done a lot of towns where people go what you go
to Savannah on a tour. No, I've gone to do houses. I've
done more houses and residentials and businesses and cities where I didn't do the tour.
I just went up there to investigate. I've caught a lot of houses
up there active because the whole town is is a you know, it's it's
like I tell people when you ask about Florida, I go, you know,
everywhere you walk, there's a dead Indian under you somewhere, there's a
dead Native American under you somewhere. And Saint august seems the same way.
They got so much history up there, and a lot of people have this
that Florida's very active because it's surrounded by water and the rock we have here
is granted and coral and that brings a lot of energy. So you put
all that together, plus the historic things that you know that happened, pirates,
killings, wars, everything like that. Yes, when I went saying
I've seen for houses, it was always it was worth the trip just to
go to investigate the house because I knew something would happen. Okay, Tim,
what is and all the years you've been doing this, what twenty something?
How many? How long? Twenty twenty five close five years? What
would you say is the most haunted place you have ever stepped foot into?
And what can you tell us about that place? But you know, people
always ask me, you know, they see the shows and they think everything's
demonic. I've been doing this all these years, and I've been in one
bad place. So we were doing a house in Lake Wales. Well,
Lake Wales is a town like if you're going to Disney World, you make
a left and you go east. It's in the middle of nowhere, but
it was built by monks. The town was built by monks. So we
got called to do this house. This is were cell phones. So we
pulled over and called the lady who said we'll be there in ten minutes.
They were staying in a hotel. It was her and her husband. It
was like a second home. They were an older couple. We pulled up
and the husband literally was sitting on the car and yelled, hey, they're
here, and she threw his luggage out to him. He went and go
back in the house because he claimed he was attacked a few times. So
while we were there, the lady threw me keys and said, listen,
we'll see you guys sunday. I said, oh, swing see her all
weekend. Yeah yeah, So I go, okay. So I was going
to rest and I want to lay down, and our sensitive came down and
she was tim, we can't sleep until we clean this place. This place
is nasty, and I was a little frustrated. I got him next to
the couch and go, yeah, that's bs and I got shoved and I
went, oh, okay, we'll be friends. And then that night my
computer guy, who always did a lot of experiments, we had a camera
on him. He was up in the grandkid's room. He caught He called
me up because he caught on the bunk beds two indentations hitting the bunk bed
like someone jumping up on it. Oh God, So I go, well,
that's pretty cool. Let men know one else, And like an hour
later he started he screamed, oh you know, chit and and he was
he had a real thick South African accent. So to hear him yell that
was so funny. Oh jit, what's wrong with it? And we got
up there and he pulled his shirt down and he had a left handed well
on his left shoulder. So even if we didn't have a camera on him,
there's a way that could have happened. Yeah. So I just looked
at them. I go, you need to take a break, right man.
Yeah. I got to sell and we didn't. Not We stayed there
till Saturday night because the couple came back and they said they just sold the
house. They didn't care what we found. They were spending Saturday at the
realtor's office. They'd signed the contracts to sell it. They weren't going to
come back to the place because it was their second house. And then I
talked to some locals. I went out for breakfast Saturday, and some locals
said that I don't know how true this is, but lake Worth was built
by monks and a lot of times they couldn't get through the rock to bury
them, so sometimes they would just have a service and chuck them in the
water. I mean, other than that, you know, I've had my
I've been tugged on. My shirt's been tugged on. You know, I
had my name called. I've seen numerous the shadow people. But that's the
only really bad place I've ever been in most time, you know, like
I got my shirt tugged on. My sensitive came in. We're doing a
house in like a townhouse. The house is part next to each other.
She said, A little girl wants to see you, but you won't slow
down because back in those days we use videotape camcorder, so I always was
walking around checking the tapes and making sure they're not out after you place them.
So I went in the room and sat in the chair, and all
of a sudden, I got my shirt tugged on, and I look down.
I go, hi there. I was playing the AVP and a little
girl said, Hi, help me. And it turns out a girl was
hit on her on her bike like a couple of years before that, and
they brought her into that yard to work on her rescue. Did so I
mean just the shadow. I mean, for me, shadow people are just
they're always, They're never They're always looking around, like checking on you stay
tuned for more paranormal odysty I've seen a lot of them just stuck in their
heads around a corner. They'll in a cemetery, you know, they'll duck
their heads over to the headstones and stuff like that. Because I used to
I would. I used to do a cemetery where the mausoleum, the center
mausoleum. I would stand up on the wall, the front wall, everybody's
doing EVP sessions and all that, and I always knew when I look down,
I see this guy sticking his head around, the shadow guy. And
it was like a dance we had because I would go look for him,
and of course he'd be gone. So after like a couple of times of
doing this, I like, okay, let's do the dance. Man.
I'd walk around my little fleer camera. Okay, he's gone again. So
it was like a dance we had. So I've never other than had that
one place. I've never really been in any bad places. It's just I
mean, sometimes you get I've done places so many times we get a little
connection going like, yeah, we got a guy down. We do the
place a Gold Coast railroad I did. I found that place haunted as a
railroad museum. And we get a guy says the effort all the time.
He's like, all the EVPs, Frank, how you doing that? F
you Frank? Be nice man. And we get the place that Gene and
I and the team do we've done. We get an old man there and
he just doesn't like women. He just you know, the ladies are here
tonight, and he'll call him, you know, w h or sugar or
I go, come on, man, they're nice ladies. Be nice.
You know. It's like so, but I mean, I always walk in.
I had one guy on my team once I sent him up in a
client's house. Scared the hell of the lady because they went up there and
started yelling for like challenging this whatever was there. And uh I never called
him back again for anotherstigation because we don't provoke. And I think, you
know, with the Afterlife team and other teams I've had, people have learned
it. You don't have to provoke, you know, you just be nice,
especially if you're going back to the place over and over, you know,
the dead might be like the living. They don't want to deal with
a jerk. You know, if the long haired guy was nice to him,
they'll say, hey, that guy's back. Or if some guy walked
and screamed on him last week, they oh, screw this guy. This
guy's an idiot. We're not going to talk to him because he's screamed this
last time so many Yeah, I mean, if you're nice to him and
pay him with respect, you know, it's a better chance to get a
connection. And if you have to go even if you have to do a
residential again, because we do a lot of follow ups, we don't say,
hey, we didn't find nothing, good luck to you. I always
say, listen, maybe we're not here at the right time. How about
if you leave a make a log for me and call me in a week.
Maybe I'm at the wrong time and then we go back and do it
again the residential or the business. But if you're nice to him, then
you got a chance for a better connection next time you go. Because all
we're really looking for in the end is just some answers. Yeah, what's
what's back? Dark for a minute? Because I had a question about because
it's just conflicting information shadow people. In your opinion, do you think shadow
people were once living or they are not something that was you know, that
was a living person. Yeah. I just I mean, like the guy
I the guy I play with, he's kind of like an intelligent because he
plays the game. So I don't know if they're living or dad. I
just when when people hear about shadow people, they say, well, how
do you know they're there, I go, well, they're darker than dark.
I mean, you could look in a dark room and they'll stand out
because they're so dark. But for me, I've never had a bad experience,
so I don't know. I've never really wondered if they were living or
dead. I'm just trying to see if we can't connect, like me and
that guy, right, that's just the game we played. And it's funny
because they always do that cat and mouse thing. It's like, hey,
I'm here, so you go there and then now there's somewhere else, or
they'll want you to go into this room, so you go into this room
and then they leave. Yeah, because I mean we've had places where we
put rim pods down, like in a big room and these will be going
off and you go over there, and then these will go off, and
it's just you know, it's a dance and I've done that place a lot,
so when we nice to do over nice there, we'd always have the
game. Okay, let's play the game. We're gonna put the rim pods
there. Let us know we're at bepepeep, okay, beepeep. So it's
just, you know, I think if you have a little fun with it
and pay respect, you know, they at least come around, and they
always want to goof with you, and you know, you don't get something
skinned out it. Just say hey, yeah, just say yes, let's
have some fun, right man, So let me know what's going on.
And then I've had it where I've put you know, those cat balls that
everybody likes. I put a cat ball in a pano one night, and
I would show up to events hours early, three or four hours early.
So I put the stuff down and I was walking with the attitude like,
hey man, how you doing today. We're here to just hang out with
you see what's going on? And I put the cat ball down and I
came back, Hey, what's going on? The cat ball shot across the
room. I went, oh, okay, so I suppose I got to
pick that up and put it back right, you know. So it's just
it's just good. I'm assuming they're having if they're still here, they're probably
still learning some stress on their challenge. I mean, you're just putting more
in the you know, then they're gonna react to that. Well. And
two when you're searching a residential and you go in there and you pissed these
these entities and goes spirits off, and then you leave, well stuck.
I tell people, I go, you know, if you walk in and
whatever, whatever you're representing, the people called you that night. So if
you if you're a jerk, now your face is glued to them because they
called you in. But if you're nice, you know, they might say,
you know, they're just you know, maybe living francers. And when
we come back, there's a chance because I've done follow ups where we came
back and then we actually got a lady what was it? Oh, I
saw a bunch of New York Yankee stuff and her dad was a big Yankees
fan. So jokingly, I say, hey, how's the Mets this year?
You like the Mets? There was like no on the EVP, so
I think it's just if you're there just to have a good time and just
find some answers and be respect full to them, you get a lot more
done. And it's like and it's always best for the client because you know,
sometimes we found it where we find stuff that they're actually comfortable with.
Oh the thing is dad, Yeah, okay, well it's not really bothered
us. We just wanted to be sure. What about full body apparitions Is
that different from like a shadow person or yeah, they could. I mean
full bodies. I mean, full bodies can be I've I've ever seen like
a three D one like a person person standing there, but it could be
like a mist or something not as trans transparent, more opaque. But shadow
people, I mean you can if you see one. When you see one,
you'll know it because it's darker than dark that that silhouette will be sticking
out, it'll be coming out like out of the dark because it's just that
much difference in it. And I had a habit that I haven't been able
to break in twenty years. I have a good time with this. I'm
like I should always when I see a shadow person, take the picture then
goof with them. But I always see when I go, man, get
out of here, and then they then it's like I did a prison one
night, and in this it was a real prison. There were shooting towers
and everything was abandoned, and they didn't have the big showers. They had
like four separate showers. And it was a full moon on New Moon that
night. So the steel mesh there was a light coming through it, and
I was doing EVPs, a custom EVPs. I went back and the light
was gone because there was a shadow person sitting there. So I said me,
pulled down a camera shooting a picture. I went, get out of
here, man, and they then the light came back on. Damn.
I've done that a bunch of times where I should have just okay, now
I'll tell you to leave. But there it's you know, you know,
when you make that connection, then it's kind of fun because it's kind of
like, you know, yeah, you have a little friend when you go
guys, I go back, I call the f man, Frank, Frank,
how you doing today, buddy? What's going on? Or I go
the old man at the house, Hey, you know how you feeling it?
You're still a little cranky? What's going on? Or the kids there's
a kid in one of the train cards that I've gotten for years, so
I'll say hi to him and things like that. But you know, if
you respect them, you got to get more. And that's the whole idea
to get answers for your clients or you know, if you have guests,
you know they want to experience something. Yeah, well see, and that's
the kind of that's the kind of attitude. I think mentally I have that
attitude. But I think if I was to do what it is that you
do and what Gina does and what your whole team does, I would be
just an awful attractor because I would have so much anxious energy about me because
you know, but at the same time, I want to look at it
like you look at it like it's it's fun, it's enjoyable. You know,
you get to talk to you know, spirits. Then But I know
once I go there, it's not going to be that way. It's you
know, I mean, right now, I'm doing an experiment. We're good,
We're starting to We're gonna start really hammering on it about asking questions that
Joe Joe Blow would won't ask, like what's it like things like that because
I think if when you start finding answers on a VPS, like where you
met by someone, where you met by because I get a lot of like
do you see animal spirits, dogs and stuff like that? So where you
met by your parents, where you met by your dog? You know,
are you able to come back and forth? You know, are you here
because you're watching over someone? If we started asking questions and we got certain
answers, like then we can actually physically put out some stuff that This stuff
isn't really scary like the TV. It's just you're there just to see if
they want to make a contact and if they have a connect, if they
have something for someone, like you're trying to be the in between for like
mom over here was you know what? I did a house once where we
actually caught a head apparition on film, and when I went back, I
asked for a picture of dad, the grandpa the seven year old will see
in a shadow in her closing. It was scaring the full letter. They
were ready to sell the house. But once I took the picture back this
is back when it was on film, so it took like a week to
get stuff going. I said, can I see a picture of your dad,
and the head shape and the hairline match Grandpa and Grandpa. Dad and
Grandpa had fallen out. When the baby was born, Grandpa came back into
life. He moved in, but they dropped it in the house of heart
attack. So once we figured out it's possibly probably grandpa, I told the
little girl, like you do me favor, go to your closet and just
I'll be right here with you. I just want you to say, Grandpa,
I know you're here, Please stay out in my closet. You scare
me. And that was twelve years ago and the girls going to college.
Now they still live in the house. They still see that. You still
see the shadow lurking around the stairs when they're eating. But if you can
find out answers like that, then you've done some good, you know.
Or if you found electrically, you've saved some guy's house from a fire trap.
So there's always ways to look at it that you're here just to do
some good. If you walk in with the attitude I'm here to you know,
get a click on my social you know, that doesn't help anybody.
Yeah, perception is always key. Yeah, it's it. If you walk
in and I always tell people. When I teach this stuff, I say,
if you you got to be at least knowledgeable of your tools. You
have to be an expert, but you at least know how to turn on
or a melmeter or something like that, because the client's watching you if they
don't think you handled your equipment right, especially if you get no evidence,
you know, get any evidence, and you say, well, they didn't
look like they didn't know what the hell they were doing, So how can
I be sure? Yeah, but if you handle a nice professional investigation and
you handle your tools proficiently and all that, at least when you walk up
to the client with the evidence, there's you've already kind of broken that barrier
where they're going to trust what you've got, even if you didn't get nothing.
And then again, you always have to. I always say you have
to follow up because you'd say, well, you get none, Yeah,
we'll see you later. You know you're on your own. Yeah. Yeah.
I've asked this question of every ghost hunter that I've ever had on and
I don't see any reason why I should stop. Now I'm going to ask
you, the only reason I don't do what you guys do is that fear
of something latching on and me bringing it home with me, and it jumping
on to my kids or someone in the house, or just staying on me.
I'm scared to death of a possession of something latching on that I don't
want and bringing it home with me. Can you speak to that at all?
Has that ever happened to you or anyone that you know? Well,
I don't do the saging and all that. I just say simply, you
can't come home and I can be welcome. Besides, we have an alpholme.
You'll be miserable, you know. But when I teach it to investigators,
I always say take care of yourself and your home, because if you
have a happy home, they won't come home, or even if they do,
they'll say, I don't want to be here. There's no negative here.
Because I had a partner years ago who we've escaped for a long time,
and also he called me. He says, can you come to my
house? Or what's wrong? Is I brought some home and it's been there.
But at that moment, at that time, they were having a lot
of financial troubles and they were arguing all the time. I said, well,
Billy, you're always raising hell. I mean, if I was in
negative thing, I'd want to want to stay in the house too, because
you can feed off of it. And once they got past their financial things,
everything seemed to calm down. Yeah. So as long as I just
say listen, you can't come home and you're not gonna be welcome, I'll
come see you next week and things like that. But you got to take
care of yourself, you know, try to go, don't go, you
know, God, don't drink and do drugs and all that stuff. Going
there with a good additude, dude, a good mindset up, posive mindset,
and then try to keep your house happy, because that's where if they're
gonna end up, that's where they end up. And even if they do
show up, they're gonna be like this ain't for me, man. You
know then that you know, I don't want to be here. I want
to be someone where they're going feed off some stuff. Yeah, well have
they ever? Have you ever heard of any stories to where someone that didn't
do that and actually brought something home with them? Yeah? I mean Bill,
he like for three months his house was like crazy. It was like
doors shut and closing and this whole time, and his wife we're just fighting
all the time. It's just like and we were still going down investigating and
he said, Tim, I brought something home and it's staying this time.
It's like, well, that's why. Actually I've had I think Gina has
a story where something went home with her and from one night at the UH
at the New River, but it didn't stay long, not that I remember,
but yeah, I've had it. I've had a couple of stores where
people say, I mean, I've had people say, can you check my
car? I think something's in my car with me, And but you know,
I get I've gotten stories where people say that you know, something's hold
with me and I'll find out. I'll do a little you know, when
I do the preliminary. I found a family called me out because their son
claimed that something came home with him. And he wasn't a ghost, art
just something came home. And it turns out he was on psychments, which
you know, that's cool with me. Every everybody has needs SELP every now
and then. But he was on these meds and he wasn't sleeping. So
sometimes if he takes psychments and don't sleep, it has a boomerang effect.
It'll mess up your head more so once we got him convinced to go take
a nap. Uh, I called it family two days later and everything was
okay. It was just it just depends on one's mindset too, right.
Well, and it's funny that well, I don't know. I don't know
if that's funny or not. Because I have anxiety. I take medication for
anxiety because I think the world's ending if I didn't. But I also have
insomnia. I'll go to sleep at three am and get up before eight,
and so, you know, and then I go throughout my day and I
just repeat that. But here, and it hasn't been recently knock on wood,
but I had heard, you know, you could pick up hitchhikers that
follow you home, even if you go to antique stores. Yeah, there's
things that attach themselves to those items. And so I haven't been back twenty
antique stores since this happened. And I don't even think I've shared this with
Wayne or my husband. But I was coming in the driveway and it was
like, and I have a new car now, well it's a year old,
but it was like something kicked the back of my seat. I was
alone in my car and it was enough force on the back of my seat
to like make me jolt. Yeah, so now I'm like, I don't
know, if you know, I don't really feel like I love antique stores
anymore. I'm working on I created something called a HOB a hotted object box
where it's made of only a crylic glass wood and then it see it with
Faraday cloth because I've gotten so many calls for haunted objects over the years,
but I see all this stuff like on TV they'll have someone'll have a doll
in a chair with a cameter next to it, and a cameter's going ballistic,
but you don't know if there's an electrical source setting that off. So
the reason I made this box was stay tuned for more paranormal odyssey. I
wanted to seal that in with you know, like I'll put rampods in it
no means and then no EML frequencies can get in this box. So something
really goes off and it's coming from within the box. So I just I
just started type, you know, working on the papers on that, and
I did a lot of research on not you know, I've known a lot
about hundred objects, but yeah, that's a big thing. Though, that
people think they're bringing home stuff that is something attached to them. Yeah.
Well, and you know, I was just thinking about all the times because
I love antique shopping. It's you know, they're really cool items. And
then I got into this business and I'm like, well, maybe it's not
that cool after all. It's not cool enough for me to take it home
and have it lived with me. So because I've investigated a lady's antique store
a bunch of times, and she said she has tim ever since these shows,
business has kind of picked up, you know, because people want to
get that hearted object. But she said she's had some customers for years who
won't come back because they're afraid of that. Now. Yes, so you
know I love old stuff too, antique stuff, but I've never even considered
that. But yeah, that makes a lot of sense going into no this
place where the items are one hundred plus years old. I mean there might
be some negative energy attached to some of that stuff. Yeah, because I
mean they're saying like a wedding dress might be attached. It might be a
good I mean, it might be there's actually a non wedding dress. I've
read the name of it, but it's it's because this girl fell in love
with this guy and dad didn't like them, so he couldn't come back.
But her wedding, her wedding dress is because of a bad experience. But
there's been others that've had wedding dresses that could be attached because it was it
was their greatest day ever. And then there's like chairs, there's been none
chairs have been done to be attached, you know, where you'll sit there
and you'll feel cold or anxious and things like that. So but that's the
reason, because if I can get this thing confirmed and it really picks up
some stuff, then I can take it to someone's house and they'll say,
oh, you know, I think this doll's haunted. If you put the
doll in there and nothing really happens and I've had it, I'm not going
to do it like the first time. I say, oh, let's see,
this is my box. And you know I'm not that egotistical. I'll
say, look, i've worked this thing before, we've gotten responses, let's
try it now. If we all, we'll come back and bring it back
and try it again. But if we can get it going, at least
I might ease some stress of someone thinking that this book they bought it on.
So if we put the book in there, run some tests on it
and see what happens, then we might say, listen, I don't think
it's a book, you know. We didn't really get any reactions or something
like that. Have you ever had any run ins with depig boxes? No,
because those are a whole box and O. So I was just curious,
I mean, because but everybody talks about the Wigi boarder now, like
you know, I don't want to play Luigi board, you know, I
go, well, every time you break out a mail meter or rimpod,
it's a Wigi board because you're trying to make a contact, you know.
But you know, we actually have a couple of Wigi boards on our team
that we do for and we try to run experiments on. But that's always
someone's fear I don't know Wigi board. Well, open your case. So
the investigators who't who don't like the Luigi board, But I'll say open your
case and they'll open. I go, look, man, you got a
rimpod, you got a mailmeter? You have then obulus m hm, it's
just a Wigi bord with batteries. Man, Yeah, I think we talked
to Gina about that. If I'm not mistaken, we had had we had
we had talked about that. How everything is. You know, if you
do the human pendulum in the essence, that's you're the Ouiji board. Yeah,
you're just you're can using your energy to contact these fair or that's just
method. Are the conductor. Yes, I mean I've seen people who like
a portal box. They might they might put their hand on it and put
their arm up like it's an antenna. So I go, now you are
a part of it. You're like, oh, yeah, you're right,
I go. Don't you know, if you're comfortable do it it, don't
stop. I'm just saying, you know, just know what you're you know,
yeah, what you're working with. You know, just you know,
be aware that it's it's now, it's just dressed up different and it all
has batteries and lights and you know. That was literally gonna be my next
question, Tim, ask about Wigi boards if you had any experience with them.
I mean I've used them before and I've never had a bad experience with
them. But i mean, for me, everything we use now is a
Wigi board. It's just you know, you just have to plug it in
and charge it up before you Yeah, but the Wiji board has that kind
of that stigma that you know, you hear Ouiji board and you get scared,
or most people do. I know. That's why, sometimes, like
a new investigator, am I not even say anything about it because those tools,
the electric tools, now, they don't have the stigma of the Ouiji
board. But if you believe the Wigi board theory, then you got to
believe anything you use. That Sometimes I don't even bring it up because they'll
be, oh my god, you're right. Yeah, So they don't have
the stigma yet about it because it's all lights and noises. Now, all
right, Well, we've only got a few questions highlighted, so guys,
y'all have a few more minutes if you can think of any questions for Tim
to get those in, but we're gonna go ahead and jump to them.
The first one is from our boy Troy. Why are there almost always ghosts
near stairs? That's good you. I've seen a lot of apparitions on stairs.
There's been a lot of pictures of ghosts up stairs. It's yeah,
I mean sometimes usually when it's some of them, they're coming down like they
might be like in life. That's how they made their appearance, especially like
old because I've done a lot of places in like houses like Louise Annale over
the South where the grand stairs, it might just be there. They're reliving
them making their appearance to the crowd, to the whoever's there. And then
I've had a lot of I've seen a lot of pictures, had some actual
I've caught some stuff where someone's sitting on the stairs. Especially there's a place
in Tampa called the It's the first. It was a Cuban cigar factory,
and there's been pictures of the little girls sitting on the stairs like she's reading
or something. So it might just be a place where they relax, but
I think I think most times stairs are usually they're making That's how they appeared.
That's how they made their grand entrance when they were coming down something.
And some of it too could be residual. Oh yeah, there's the normal
activity that they used to do. What about hallways, I friking hate hallways,
man, They are always coming down hallways. It's We've had it.
One time we were doing a place and I've never had this before. It
was a hall the buildings like one hundred years old. I was standing by
a door and we had a light at the end of the hall, and
I looked at my shadow, and I see a little shadow next to me.
And I've never had it before because I didn't see the shadow when I
look down, but I looked the door, see the shadow standing. I
actually a little kid. Oh, you want to go out, So let's
just open the door now. Always and hallways are usually like if you go
to an older place, hallways kind of have that. They're always and the
old house is always smaller from what you're used to, so it has kind
of like a funhouse effect. Because we did a place Deer in this state
years ago. We used to do it and I would tell everybody, the
guests, I say, walk down this hallway and it'll play head, it'll
play games on your head because it's just shrunken. It's it's the illusion that
you're walk in then all of a sudden, it just shrinks because the hallways
is smaller, but always always creepy because they're usually, especially in hotels,
always very quiet and very long and very dark, and there's all doors that
something could just come out and get you, Yeah, that's always there.
Cool. Alex s asks do you think shadow people are a top of ghost
or a ghost that doesn't have the energy or power to fully manifest? You
know, the shadow of people I've seen when I tell them to leave,
they schedoodle, so they got some energy. I think. I don't know
if they've the energy to move around and scheduled, but they just don't full
of maybe I think. Yeah. I tell people sometimes, you know,
when we usually coming in a dream as you blow them, often they might
come to you like touch or something, And I tell people sometimes they just
they just push the envelope of what they can do to get to be known.
So maybe they can't manifest fully, but they're always around because they just
they want to know. They want you to know they're there. So just
I mean the ones I've seen, hey, they're gone. They got the
energy to move real quick. But maybe they don't have that full the manifest
or maybe they just don't want to go that far with it. Yeah,
all right. Next question Ristol is asking Tim any experience with hat Man.
No, but I've not hat Man. But I do have a pretty cool
pitch. I should have sent it to you. I'll send it to you.
It's naturally it's a full blown shadow man in a fully lit car in
a railroad station. Wow, at the Railroad Museum. And it was taken
by a guest on her camera phone, so it was really cool. And
then I still see the same shoulder shape and all that he paces by the
bathrooms at this museum. I've never seen the shadow with a hat. I've
always seen him like you know, they had the shoulders, sometimes the full
body like this one guy. But I've never seen the hat guy. All
right, very cool, Tim, Tell everybody about your book or books and
where to get them and all of that. Guests off, it's ghost hunting
getting started. Two. What I do with is a sequel. What I
did with the books is I talk about how to build a team, how
to get started, how to find investigations, how to conduct them, review
evidence, and then I go through all the tools. You know, I
dummy it down so much. I can tell you where to put the batteries,
what kind of batteries they take, how to turn it on, what
all the lights and alerts mean. The only difference with the new book is
I put three locations down here in South Florida. The history of the location,
the haunted history, and the activity I've gotten over the years, and
I only put three in because of these three places, they'll actually if you
go there and pay their little walking to her fee or whatever. And if
you break out a recorder, they don't care. They're not going to tell
you put it away. So I've had hundreds of people over the years told
me, hey, I went back to Gold Coast, I cast some stuff
on my recorder. They can self investigate. So the book is basically made
just so if you want to get starting ghost hunting. It just tells you
how to get started. Some tips I've had over the years, like something
as simple as if you're the case manager calling for an invest calling to check
on investigation. Check on the parking. Maybe there's not enough parking for all
your team. Just simple little tips just to get you going. And then
just tips on how to use the equipment and how to read a few others.
Okay, where do I get that book? Barnes Barnzoble dot com.
The other book, Getting Started one and is on Amazon. But that one
was just the tools. Basically, I didn't include the locations. Yeah,
you sent me the link, so I will put that in the show notes
when this is released to podcasts. We had a couple of questions come in
late, so since there were just a few, I want to get to
those before we get out of here. Troy asks, what single piece of
equipment would you take into a cemetery. Well, I take I love rimpod's
meters because you know you can put them around and get trigger. It'd be
like a trigger toy. We do the cemetery down here we call the disco
Miary. It's it's a Spanish it's like a Latin American cemetery where they it's
up twenty four hours a day and people celebrate all the time. We've seen
people out there at two or three in the morning having barbecues. But there's
solar lights everywhere. It's really a cool place. If you drive by on
the road, you'll see all these little flowers and everything, and there's a
there's a kid section. So I'll take Boo Buddy with us, or we'll
take this new thing called a trip light. It's like rim pods. Are
you know that that big circular thing that device the trip wire has actually thirteen
rim pods on a string that they all work individually. Like these two lights
might go off, but these won't, so there's something affecting this part of
the string. So I love taking that out because we'll lay it around a
cemit, around a plot and things like that and see when we get reactions.
And of course it depends on the area you. I love the do
EVPs. I'm a I'm an audio recording nut yea and things like that.
It just you know, we this cemetery, we have a few that's very
quiet with from traffic, so you always have to take down and account But
I love doing recording, so recorded anywhere. Our last question comes from Bristol.
He says, wait, wait, wait, last question. What is
that to the left of the Saturn vibe. Oh that's my son's oh death
start okay, my sudden builds legos. He's like he has them all over
the place. Very cool, All right, Tim, Great stuff, buddy,
Awesome. We appreciate you taking the time to to come and hang out.
Like I said, we will take the audio from this episode, and
we were released it to podcast. We have a much larger audience over there,
so you'll reach more people over there. But yeah, we'll include the
link to your book and and all that stuff. I want to take this
opportunity to thank you very very much for coming you. Thank you so much,
thank you for everything. Yes, and thank you for answering some of
my questions as well, because I mean, I'm so intrigued and so interested,
but we'll take you out. I would love to, man, if
that offer stands one of these days, I love to get down there because
there's places where I literally have the keys of the places that would be great.
Let you know, historical locations where I just give me a call and
say, hey, we're gonna come by and do some experiments and all well,
when the show takes off and Tiffany and I become millionaires, we will
head down there and we'll set you up. We could do Cemeteries Trade Museum,
the first in on the Fort Lauderdale River. We will do it all
man, old school. So all right, buddy, hope you stay in
touch. Let us know if anything cool happens, and we'll get you back
on Okay, all right, buddy, thank you so much, have a
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