1 00:00:15,919 --> 00:00:19,640 Welcome Back every one to new episode of the year Long with Molly Hamingway and 2 00:00:19,719 --> 00:00:27,280 David Horsani. Molly, have you ever infused a doorknob with a fire alarm 3 00:00:27,399 --> 00:00:29,679 when you were trying to get out of a building, like, let's say, 4 00:00:29,679 --> 00:00:34,600 a high school or some government building. I have not ever confused. 5 00:00:34,679 --> 00:00:38,479 I've never been confused about what a fire alarm does, what its basic function 6 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:43,920 is. And I assume you're referring to Jamal Bowman, the New York representative 7 00:00:44,039 --> 00:00:49,960 who pulled a fire alarm in the middle of democrats strategy of delaying a vote 8 00:00:50,079 --> 00:00:55,920 on a continuing resolution and then later claimed, when not everybody loved that he 9 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:00,719 committed this criminal act, later claimed that he was trying to open a door 10 00:01:00,799 --> 00:01:06,000 and he thought he thought that was what fire alarms did. He's a former 11 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:11,400 school he's a former school principle. I would just like that his then you 12 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:17,799 release like this two page press press release where he explained why he did it, 13 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,519 which was so so funny to read, and then at the end it 14 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:26,200 said, shouldn't we be concentrating on the Nazis and neo Nazis in Congress instead 15 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,000 of this you know issue? But then he had to walk that back because 16 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,480 probably some Jewish organization explained to him that just calling anyone Nazis is not really 17 00:01:34,519 --> 00:01:40,840 great. But he is that guy is a hysteric. I mean, he's 18 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:42,920 the guy who yelled at Tom Massey in the hallway that time about guns. 19 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:49,319 I think it was he is just a socialist, he's a nut. And 20 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,120 I think you were talking about this on Twitter, you were pointing out I 21 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:57,120 mean that he like for as funny as this is, and I think it's 22 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,359 super funny because there's a video of it and all that, But she did 23 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,359 try to get in the way of the democratic process, right, He tried 24 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,840 to under like if there wasn't video, would we ever have known who did 25 00:02:07,879 --> 00:02:14,800 this now? So yeah, there are multiple issues here and mostly it's about 26 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,759 the context. So over the course of the last couple of years, the 27 00:02:16,759 --> 00:02:24,360 Department of Justice has engaged in its most intense criminal investigation in its history. 28 00:02:25,199 --> 00:02:29,840 So the worst thing in the history of the world, they believe, was 29 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:37,159 when people interfered with the proper operation of Congress. And more than one thousand 30 00:02:37,199 --> 00:02:42,639 people have been charged in conjunction with this related to the January sixth thing. 31 00:02:43,199 --> 00:02:46,599 So these people who came to the capital on January sixth. Were frequently people 32 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:51,599 who didn't know how Congress worked, did not know that you could not just 33 00:02:51,719 --> 00:02:53,199 walk into the Capitol. I mean, we've seen the pictures of the people 34 00:02:53,199 --> 00:02:57,639 who violently entered, but a lot of people just didn't know when they were 35 00:02:57,719 --> 00:03:00,719 allowed in. We also have seen video of people with police opening doors for 36 00:03:00,759 --> 00:03:06,960 them and then just walking in. Nevertheless, for that crime they have or 37 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:12,280 for that alleged crime, they have been charged and convicted in all sorts of 38 00:03:12,319 --> 00:03:19,039 things, and usually the issue in play is interfering with the congressional proceeding. 39 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,800 Now, I might say, even before this past weekend with the Jamal Bowman 40 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:28,400 story, there were some issues here in that. For instance, during the 41 00:03:28,479 --> 00:03:36,039 Kavanaugh confirmation, there were organized protests to interfere with the congressional proceeding, people 42 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:40,919 taking over offices in Senate office buildings, people taking over large portions of Senate 43 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,360 office buildings, intentionally going into a hearing for the purpose of shouting out in 44 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:51,680 the middle of the hearing and causing a disruption so that police would arrest the 45 00:03:51,719 --> 00:03:55,000 person, and then having left wing organizations pay for that, pay for their 46 00:03:55,039 --> 00:03:58,960 bail, or pay for whatever happened. There was a very organized thing, 47 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:03,919 organized to the point that even Democrat senators were providing the seats to the people 48 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:09,840 so that they could engage in this disruption of a proceeding. After Kavanaugh was 49 00:04:09,879 --> 00:04:15,560 confirmed, there were all sorts of protests with the intention of delaying proceedings, 50 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:23,439 and nobody cared about that. Nobody had any problem with that at all whatsoever. 51 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,040 And then when J six happens, then all of a sudden, like 52 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,360 entering a Capitol building is the worst thing in the world because it delayed the 53 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,439 proceeding. So if that's true, then Jamal Bowman, who clearly was operating 54 00:04:34,519 --> 00:04:39,160 in such a manner as to delay the proceeding, should be held to a 55 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:44,160 much at least that standard, because Jamal Bowman is an elected member of Congress. 56 00:04:44,519 --> 00:04:48,240 The grandma from Iowa maybe didn't know how things were supposed to be, 57 00:04:48,639 --> 00:04:53,000 but he definitely does. So people are joking about it, and I get 58 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,519 why you're joking about it, But what's not funny is all these people who 59 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:01,279 have had their lives destroyed by Merrick Arland's operation and then them being like, 60 00:05:01,319 --> 00:05:04,480 oh, there's no no worry here. We have two standards of justice one 61 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,560 for people we don't like and one for people we do. And so we 62 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:15,199 don't really think Jamal Bowman did anything worth talking about. Yeah, and you 63 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,560 know we should also in even a broader sense, the left has always done 64 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,759 this sort of thing. They obstruct a highway if their climate, you know, 65 00:05:23,199 --> 00:05:28,040 protesters, they throw things that people who go to colleges or won't let 66 00:05:28,079 --> 00:05:31,639 them speak. You know, they are constantly obstructing the freedom of speech and 67 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,839 freedom of uh, you know, just discourse and all of that. So 68 00:05:36,079 --> 00:05:41,399 I just think it's it's unsurprising that the big social one of the big socialists 69 00:05:41,399 --> 00:05:45,120 in Congress would do this. So I do want to say I saw two 70 00:05:45,199 --> 00:05:48,800 days ago on Neil Cavudo. I was at Fox for a show that's on 71 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,920 later, so I watched whatever's on at that moment, you know, when 72 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:58,800 I'm getting my hair and makeup done, and this member of Congress from Missouri, 73 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,879 I think it was myth maybe was his last name. He was explaining. 74 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:09,720 This happened five minutes into Hakeem Jeffries' delay strategy, so they actually had 75 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:14,920 a motion to adjourn for the purpose of reading the bill. Jeffries was like, 76 00:06:15,079 --> 00:06:18,279 we're being rushed here. You know, they always passed legislation without reading 77 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,399 it, and they were pretending that that was a problem for them only on 78 00:06:21,439 --> 00:06:26,600 this point, and so they were trying to delay, probably on the grounds 79 00:06:26,639 --> 00:06:30,199 that they thought that they could get to a shutdown, and a shutdown would 80 00:06:30,199 --> 00:06:33,560 be bad for Republicans and good for Democrats, and so they were doing it 81 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:40,079 this way. So they have this motion to adjourn so they can read the 82 00:06:40,079 --> 00:06:44,439 bill. It was five minutes into that a vote they were likely to lose 83 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:51,759 that Jamal Bowman pulls the fire alarm, clearly related prior to this absid stance. 84 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:57,160 Prior to this, Hikim Jeffries had used what's called a magic minute, 85 00:06:57,399 --> 00:07:01,279 so leaders of each party in the House get these magic minutes. Technically they're 86 00:07:01,319 --> 00:07:03,839 only supposed to talk for a minute, but they can talk for however long 87 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:09,279 they want. I think Nancy Pelosi talked for eight hours once as sort of 88 00:07:09,319 --> 00:07:14,079 like a way to filibuster that given to the leader of each party. So 89 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,879 he took a lot of time with his magic minute. This congressman said that 90 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:23,560 even after the fire alarm happened, and you know, things were proceeding, 91 00:07:23,879 --> 00:07:29,680 that Democrats kept coming in to vote very slowly, like one by one they 92 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,040 had trouble getting a quorum for the vote, like it was a delay strategy, 93 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,680 and that part has not been accurately conveyed. I don't think by corporate 94 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:44,079 media who are pretending to accept Jamal Bowman's excuse that he thought fire alarms were 95 00:07:44,079 --> 00:07:48,879 the way that you open doors, and that you're supposed to pretend like you 96 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:54,480 believe that, I mean the idea. Obviously they were trying to get to 97 00:07:54,600 --> 00:08:00,399 shut down, and obviously Jamal Bowman did this on purpose to stop he got 98 00:08:00,439 --> 00:08:05,439 caught. His excuse was laughable, and watching journalists pretend that it was realistic, 99 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,720 I forgot who it was one of those like, yeah, you know 100 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:11,279 what, look at this sign. It's so confusing, the big red sign 101 00:08:11,399 --> 00:08:16,399 that says fire alarm. Anyway, just wanted to point that out. I 102 00:08:16,399 --> 00:08:20,839 think, wait, there's one more thing. I wanted to say, yeah, 103 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:28,360 yeah, So the DC Circuit actually had someone challenge these this ridiculous like 104 00:08:28,399 --> 00:08:33,879 sort of over penalty for the people walking into the Capitol building, which again 105 00:08:33,879 --> 00:08:37,440 I think we should separate the people who were violent trying to cause chaos from 106 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:43,159 the people who were confused. On January sixth and this DC Court of Appeals 107 00:08:43,399 --> 00:08:48,799 judge. I think it's greg Or Jeffrey Katsis. I'm so bad at first 108 00:08:48,879 --> 00:08:52,519 names. He sounded the alarm. He's like, this is not good. 109 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,720 The way we're going after people like this is it's in Sarbains ox Ley that 110 00:08:56,759 --> 00:09:00,960 it's against the law to disrupt a congressional proceeding. Why are we using this, 111 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,440 you know, this law to go after all these people. It seems 112 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:11,919 like it could really be rife with abuse and looking at how few limits there 113 00:09:11,919 --> 00:09:16,480 are on when to apply this law, and the people who had the majority 114 00:09:16,519 --> 00:09:18,679 there, they were like just sort of like, I think we need to 115 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,200 trust people they'll know when to use it or not. And I'm thinking, 116 00:09:22,279 --> 00:09:24,799 like, this is not rule of law when you just sort of trust other 117 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,120 people. Like what they meant it seems to me is they'll go after our 118 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:33,159 enemies and not our friends. So Jamal Bowman is an ally of the regime, 119 00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:37,840 so he's not getting gone after. The grandma from Iowa is an enemy 120 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:43,919 of the regime, so she has her life destroyed. Now, Republicans, 121 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,799 I don't know how it works in the House, honestly, but Republicans and 122 00:09:48,159 --> 00:09:54,000 especially now and we'll talk about it. You know soon what happened to Kevin 123 00:09:54,039 --> 00:09:56,360 McCarthy and all that, and with the health of Democrats now that they've been 124 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,879 they should punish Bowmen, right, they censure him for like, there should 125 00:10:00,919 --> 00:10:03,480 be some sort there should be some sort of punishment for it. No one's 126 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:07,519 going to prosecute him, I'm sure, but there should be some kind of 127 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,120 center. Do you think that that's going to happen or have you heard anything? 128 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,039 I think there is a desire for something to happen, but I do 129 00:10:16,159 --> 00:10:20,120 not have any idea what that will be. Now, so let's talk about 130 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:26,759 so this. This happened during another episode of shut down Theater, and I 131 00:10:26,799 --> 00:10:30,519 know a lot of people use that phrase. I wish I could come up 132 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:37,120 with a better maybe kobuki theater. We go through this journalist DC journalists get 133 00:10:37,279 --> 00:10:41,440 so excited when a shutdown's coming. They start they get to scare monger about 134 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:45,759 how you know, the whole world's going to fall apart, and it's always 135 00:10:45,759 --> 00:10:50,120 the Republican's fault for not just giving in on all things. I have almost 136 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,000 stopped paying attention to this stuff because it almost never really happens, and even 137 00:10:54,039 --> 00:10:58,919 when it does, it's basically innocuous, all the usual functions of government. 138 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,000 In fact, in my view, you know, things are running a lot 139 00:11:03,039 --> 00:11:07,000 better when we have shutdowns. But so, can you explain a little bit 140 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,600 what happened there? So we have a forty five day reprieve now until the 141 00:11:11,639 --> 00:11:16,559 next episode of this theater. Yeah, So fiscal year ended on Saturday at 142 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:22,320 midnight, and there were they had failed to pass appropriations bills. They hadn't 143 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,559 even really tried to pass appropriations bills, and so everything was going to be 144 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:33,480 shut down, and they passed a forty five day continuing resolution that allows things 145 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:41,679 to continue ostensibly so they can work on appropriations bills, although there hasn't really 146 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:48,519 been proper work on appropriations bills for a really long time. So you know, 147 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,600 whether they'll actually use this time to do what they should is another thing 148 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:58,600 entirely. Okay, So do you want to talk about what happened this week 149 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:03,639 with Matt Gates? And I think there's more to talk about it. Nevertheless, 150 00:12:03,759 --> 00:12:05,600 you know, I thought one of the things that was interesting about it, 151 00:12:05,639 --> 00:12:09,000 and we wrote a couple pieces of the federalists that get into this was 152 00:12:09,639 --> 00:12:16,639 one of the few wins for conservatives, I guess, was that included in 153 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:22,399 this forty five day continuing resolution was not the six to twenty four billion dollars 154 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:30,440 Biden sought for Ukraine. And I think there's broad there's pretty broad agreement, 155 00:12:30,799 --> 00:12:35,600 not not entirely unified, but pretty broad agreement that we want to help Ukraine. 156 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,559 We know that what Russia did to them a year and a half ago 157 00:12:41,919 --> 00:12:45,559 is bad, so there's a desire for support. And what has happened in 158 00:12:45,639 --> 00:12:52,080 DC since then is just unbelievable amounts of money, you know, tens, 159 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,200 ten, tens, hundreds of billions of dollars being sent their way. Ukraine 160 00:12:56,279 --> 00:12:58,440 is one of the most corrupt countries on Earth. You get reports every once 161 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:03,679 in a while about how much that corruption is affecting the distribution of funds in 162 00:13:03,799 --> 00:13:09,200 Ukraine. There is zero accountability and oversight of these funds, and the payoff 163 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:13,559 has been pretty bad. So, you know, Russia has, despite what 164 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:18,639 you read in a lot of newspapers, a pretty strong hand and a feeling 165 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:24,519 that taking over this land of Ukraine's is existential for them, that they need 166 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,240 it in order to survive, and so they're fighting hard and they're willing to 167 00:13:28,279 --> 00:13:31,840 do what they've been willing to do for a very long time, which is 168 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:35,720 throw bodies at their problems, and the net result is, you know, 169 00:13:35,759 --> 00:13:41,399 the New York Times had a thing last week with a map of what has 170 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,919 happened with the fighting since January one, and you hear you read in the 171 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,960 paper every day, Oh the Ukrainians, they had a great victory here, 172 00:13:48,039 --> 00:13:52,399 and oh they're on the cusp of victory here. The map was appalling to 173 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,799 a lot of people because it showed that basically there was very little change in 174 00:13:56,919 --> 00:14:01,840 territory since January first. This include it was the spring offensive, the summer 175 00:14:01,879 --> 00:14:05,440 offensive, the reason why we have to be giving all this money and focus 176 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:09,320 and attention there instead of our own border. And if anything, Russia had 177 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:18,519 gained ground at the time of our greatest effort. And so you're seeing the 178 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:22,600 American people. A majority of the American people do not support giving yet more 179 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:28,639 funding to Ukraine, but a majority of members of Congress do. 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Can I say one thing about this? 214 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,880 Even we have some reporting on this from Jordan Boyd, But in the Senate, 215 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,480 Mitch McConnell has made it known that he thinks the number one priority of 216 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:22,039 the Republican Party should be funding Ukraine. That is not the view of like 217 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:26,119 eighty percent of Republican voters, but he has said that. So he stated 218 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:30,599 his position, and he rules pretty fiercely. People are terrified of going against 219 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,519 him, so they go into conference on Saturday and Mitch McConnell's like, we 220 00:17:34,599 --> 00:17:38,279 have to push this Senate Continuing resolution because it's going to have that funding in 221 00:17:38,319 --> 00:17:42,680 there, and this is like do or die. Susan Collins reportedly agrees with 222 00:17:42,759 --> 00:17:48,240 him, but then nobody else does. I think it was Senator Mike Lee 223 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,599 who gets up and says, like, why don't we just see what the 224 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,960 House can provide and then we give them We back off and sort of give 225 00:17:55,000 --> 00:18:00,480 them the support The House Republicans the support they need to negotiate something by not 226 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,119 forcing this issue on our side, and a bunch of people backed him up, 227 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:11,480 including John Thune, who's one of Mitch McConnell's you know, main servants, 228 00:18:11,559 --> 00:18:14,799 or however he would say it, and probably he did that because he's 229 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,119 lobbing to take over Mitch McConnell's spot when Mitch McConnell gets carried out in a 230 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:23,880 casket. But it was a huge coup for the Conservatives over Mitch McConnell. 231 00:18:25,599 --> 00:18:30,480 And it showed just how weak he is mentally and physically, that nobody is 232 00:18:30,759 --> 00:18:34,960 terrified as they have been during his reign, of going against him. So 233 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,640 kind of a significant moment, even though probably with all the Democrats supporting it 234 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,559 and a good chunk of the Republicans will be giving like one trillion dollars to 235 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,519 Ukraine by month's and I'm sure, but still it's interesting. No, it 236 00:18:48,559 --> 00:18:52,240 definitely is interesting. That's you have never I can't remember the last time that 237 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:59,599 senators, much less you know, people like Thune would buck McConnell's wishes. 238 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,519 That's that's a rarity, and it probably, you know, and it is 239 00:19:03,559 --> 00:19:07,119 weakened obviously. My problem with all of this, and I'm more probably more 240 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,279 hawkish, No, I am more hawkish than you on this stuff. Is 241 00:19:10,279 --> 00:19:12,400 that it's not really a binary choice. But yet everyone, and I'm not 242 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,960 talking about Senate, I'm just saying the whole debate makes it one like if 243 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,160 I say, can't we debate how much we should give or what we should 244 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,799 give, or what kind of oversight there should be, then you're immediately branded 245 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:29,240 a Putin stooge wants Russia to win, and it's just not reality. I'm 246 00:19:29,279 --> 00:19:32,960 sorry, you just said you're more hawkish than I am. What do you 247 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,039 mean by that? I would probably I mean, I don't know if hawkish 248 00:19:36,079 --> 00:19:41,640 is the right word. I would say that I am probably more open sending 249 00:19:41,279 --> 00:19:45,359 Ukraine funding than you are. Do you think that's fair? Yeah, I 250 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:51,920 don't understand how that's hawkish. Okay, what word would you use? Then? 251 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:56,319 I just won't use the word hawkish because hawks are wise birds of prey 252 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,799 like they are. And this again, okay, I am using the nomenclature 253 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,000 using the words that we have used in Washington for a long time. So 254 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,839 well that I am wise, I'm very wise, and that's not a good 255 00:20:06,839 --> 00:20:11,240 word to use to describe neo kan interventionist policy. So is giving these they're 256 00:20:11,319 --> 00:20:15,400 kind of like they're in gent they are there. You know, wait, 257 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,240 why are you being like all right here? Because I want to say something. 258 00:20:18,279 --> 00:20:22,359 So you're saying that it's a neo? Giving Ukraine any money makes you 259 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,799 a neocon. It's the same kind of you know, overstatement or binary false 260 00:20:26,839 --> 00:20:32,400 binary choice that the other side makes when you're when you say that you want 261 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:37,440 to have some oversight and then you're immediately your putin UHL. I not begin 262 00:20:37,559 --> 00:20:41,920 this by saying that there was widespread agreement that what happened in Ukraine was bad 263 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,640 and we want to support them. Did I not begin that way? You 264 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,599 did? But when I say that, you know, I'm more hawkish or 265 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,640 whatever word you want to use, you immediately accuse me of being a neocon. 266 00:20:52,759 --> 00:20:56,960 Basically, to me, hawkishness is about strong national defense, having a 267 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:03,839 military that's capable of fighting wage and winning and wars and then leaving. You 268 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,240 know, like, that's a hawk someone who actually thinks that we should use 269 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,880 our military to defend our country enter national interests. I hate when people use 270 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:18,880 the word hawk to describe like global aid or you know, like intervening in 271 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,559 any conflict across the land, Like that's not hawkishness. And I think it's 272 00:21:23,599 --> 00:21:29,519 this pr coup that people who aren't very wise get to use the word hawk 273 00:21:29,759 --> 00:21:33,839 to describe things that are not really hawk ish. It reminds me of people 274 00:21:33,839 --> 00:21:40,039 who call anyone who is for giving aid and neocon immediately, which is I 275 00:21:40,039 --> 00:21:45,079 think an unfair description of them. Yeah, but anyway, no, I 276 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,359 agree, I don't like. I wish there were better terms all around. 277 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:52,759 I don't want to be like they're a warmonger. I don't like neocon. 278 00:21:52,759 --> 00:21:56,039 I actually I actually think the neocons were a pretty good group of people, 279 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:00,880 meaning the people who by strength of their research and analysis, realized that their 280 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,680 leftist views were wrong. That's not a bad thing, and you know, 281 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,640 those neocons aren't bad. I wish there was a word for that kind of 282 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:15,319 foreign policy that we had during the Bush era that is now to the bidens 283 00:22:15,319 --> 00:22:21,119 of you know this, Oh, we've got to do this war that serves 284 00:22:22,319 --> 00:22:26,559 not our country because we need to spread democracy and we're going to have to 285 00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:29,839 spend a really long time there, maybe decades, and we don't really have 286 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,640 a strategy for success. We certainly don't have a strategy for exit. Like 287 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:40,480 what's that word the destructive foreign policy. I don't know, we'll have to 288 00:22:40,519 --> 00:22:45,680 con use it how aid or like hoping, you know, to situation there. 289 00:22:45,839 --> 00:22:48,920 Whatever they say, we got to do this because Ukraine's the most democratic 290 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,720 republic that ever lived, or whatever that that's a means to getting to a 291 00:22:52,759 --> 00:22:56,680 twenty year war. Yeah. No, I resent that. I mean I 292 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:03,640 resent that I have to prote that Ukraine is a bulwark of democracy when it 293 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:10,319 is not at all, especially from people are always smearing other nations as facistic 294 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,960 who are freer and less corrupt than Ukraine, but they are fighting Russia, 295 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,119 and I do view Russia as a problem. So I don't know. The 296 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,039 truth is, I don't have a fully formed opinion of how much help we 297 00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:23,000 should give or what we should do. And frankly, that's because I don't 298 00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:27,200 understand what's going on there, because we are not actually given the information that 299 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:33,119 we need to fully understand what is happening there or to be honest about who 300 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,799 we're helping. I mean, Zelensky is treated like you know, mother Teresa 301 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,519 in the world right now, and that is just simply ridiculous. So this 302 00:23:41,559 --> 00:23:45,079 is one of my issues too. I hate how you just can't get basic 303 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,559 news and information, What are the casualty numbers? What's the actual situation? 304 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,880 Even reading the Wall Street Journal, every day is a good day for Ukraine 305 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,119 according to the Wall Street Journal, in fact, a beautiful, amazing day. 306 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,880 They're on the cusp of victory, and then like after a few months, 307 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,519 like, well, that doesn't sound like they did end up taking that 308 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,680 city that you told me they were on the verge of taking. It's all 309 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:11,480 such propaganda and it's really frustrating to me. I also wish like if people 310 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,440 would say, if people would just be honest about the situation, about what 311 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:22,440 led to this conflict and they wanted to fight this war, I would find 312 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,759 that easier. When they're kind of lying about the circumstances and they want to 313 00:24:26,759 --> 00:24:27,400 do it, I'm like, well, I don't want to be with these 314 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,359 people. They're just not telling the truth. That Matt or Felia, guy 315 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:37,640 who does these amazing videos, did one recently on how early on Putin was 316 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,680 claiming that, you know, one of his problems here was he was worried 317 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:45,839 about NATO expansion and enlargement. That is obviously true. You go back to 318 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,200 the you know, the situation with George H. W. Bush, He 319 00:24:49,319 --> 00:24:56,519 and his people were warning NATO expansion and enlargement could cause problems for future conflict 320 00:24:56,559 --> 00:25:02,160 with Russia. Right they were. They weren't what's the other stupid word for 321 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,519 a bird, doves, you know, they weren't doves. They weren't isolationists. 322 00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:07,759 They were just saying, we have to kind of create buffer zones here 323 00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:11,920 for Russia so that we don't have a problem. Some people, like in 324 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:17,480 the Clinton camp, actually considered bringing Russia in to NATO as a way of 325 00:25:17,559 --> 00:25:21,720 like avoiding some of the tensions that could be there. But when Putin was 326 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,359 saying this at the beginning, they're like, this has nothing to do with 327 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,559 NATO, nothing to do with NATO. And then recently they were like, 328 00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:30,480 well, obviously, you know he's concerned about NATO expansion. They just sort 329 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:37,160 of flip on a dime on what they're saying. So if we could be 330 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:42,519 honest about the threat posed by Russia to NATO, but also the threat posed 331 00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:48,000 by NATO to Russia and why that makes Russia act the way they owe. 332 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,839 Another thing I can't stand when everyone was like Putin is a madman, he's 333 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,079 got terminal cancer, he's going to be dead within weeks. Do you remember 334 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:00,720 that talking point that was widespread. He's still not dead. And also you 335 00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:04,519 might think he's evil, and I certainly do, but he's not engaged in 336 00:26:04,559 --> 00:26:11,200 engaging in irrational behavior for what he views for his country as what they need. 337 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,079 And so if we could just be honest and then have a conversation like, 338 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,839 here's why they're doing this, here's what they want, and here's why 339 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,480 we want to stop them, I would appreciate that much more than when I'm 340 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,680 told, you know, when someone's mixtorating on me and telling me it's raining. 341 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,599 Yeah. Yeah, And if Putin did die, we have no clue 342 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,519 who would take over. I mean, maybe there's a clue, and certainly 343 00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:41,000 could he could be more warlike and more conservative, you know, in the 344 00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:44,559 smallecity sense. But also, you know, I would note that in the 345 00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:48,240 seventies, for instance, we had we participated in cups, we did stuff 346 00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:52,960 with bad people because our reasoning was that it's better than having communists in those 347 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,480 countries. So why can't we just say, listen, Ukraine's a pretty you 348 00:26:57,519 --> 00:27:00,920 know, weird place, it's pretty corre, but it's you know, we're 349 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,279 gonna, you know, we're going to help them because they're a buffer against 350 00:27:04,319 --> 00:27:07,480 Russian this and that. And also you're right about the NATO stuff for sure, 351 00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:12,680 But also bigger than that is that Russia views all you know, views 352 00:27:12,759 --> 00:27:17,640 Ukraine service, it views Slavic people as their domain. And when, when 353 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,799 when NATO starts intruding on that, you're gonna you're gonna have a reaction. 354 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,640 It's just true. I don't know that he's right, but it is just 355 00:27:23,759 --> 00:27:29,039 a fact. So, but doesn't seem to me. Maybe maybe because of 356 00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:30,400 what just happened, we'll get a better debate on this. I don't know. 357 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:37,119 I think people like Mike Lee have sort of started speaking out on this 358 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:42,519 much more and and once one person gets brave about something, other people will 359 00:27:42,599 --> 00:27:48,119 usually follow, you know. So maybe it is contagious, right, courageous 360 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,920 contagious? So, okay, do you want to talk about Matt Gates now? 361 00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:57,440 Sure? By the way, I think it's worth saying too that we 362 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:03,440 were going to record this yesterday but we couldn't. We're doing this on Wednesday. 363 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,519 We couldn't because we didn't know what was going to happen with a speaker 364 00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:10,440 battle. It was like too big of news to talk around, right, 365 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,599 It would have been weird. It would have been weird, and or if 366 00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:15,559 we would have guessed at what would have happened, it would have been could 367 00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:18,759 have been wrong, and we would have looked foolish, and we only we 368 00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:26,720 don't want to look foolish in that way. Well, I was pretty annoyed, 369 00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:29,720 I have to say yesterday, all day long, I'm annoyed about a 370 00:28:29,759 --> 00:28:33,000 lot of things. I'm going to write a long piece about it because I 371 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,119 think this whole incident speaks to a lot of things, and I just want 372 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:41,240 to say up front before I start getting before I get angry emails and tweets, 373 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,720 which I will get anyway. I don't care about Kevin McCarthy. I 374 00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:47,599 don't probably even think he's the best person for the job. I think he's 375 00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:51,559 a middling speaker. I don't think anyone's going to do a great job with 376 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:56,880 a slim majority and a you know, with the Senate and the presidency in 377 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:03,079 the hands of Democrats. But I think it's nice to dunk on Libs and 378 00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:06,519 you know all that, but in the end, you have to also to 379 00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:08,440 some extent govern and you know, he was trying to balance all of that. 380 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,160 I think it's it's an impossible job right now if you're a Republican considering 381 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:22,039 what's going on. But I think this Gates thing is just insane, pointless, 382 00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:26,920 and all it does is help Democrats, That's all it does. And 383 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,960 in fact, I wrote a column today, Democrats did this. Matcki's just 384 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,319 helped them. Everyone keeps talking about how he stood up and Republicans revolted, 385 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,519 and then New York Times called it a far right revolt. Donald Trump didn't 386 00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:45,480 even support this. His most of his biggest supporters in Congress didn't participate in 387 00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:49,880 this. Nancy Mace did, Ken Buck did. Who's going probably going to 388 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,960 CNN and Nancy Mace who. I don't know if someone's going to have to 389 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,319 explain her to me. I don't know what she's doing. And anyway, 390 00:29:57,559 --> 00:30:02,240 so I guess we can. That's my starting point on this. I probably 391 00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:08,039 have a lot more to say. Hey, y'all, this is Sarah from 392 00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:12,759 the Sarah Carter Show. Thanks for listening to the Federalist Radio Hour. Healthy 393 00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:18,000 blood pressure is so important. In fact, more than half of the US 394 00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:23,200 population would benefit from blood pressure support. 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He's much better. I talked 412 00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:07,240 with a lot of members of Congress yesterday, including people who the vast majority 413 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:13,799 of whom actually support McCarthy. They voted against the or they voted for the 414 00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:16,160 motion to table a vote on him, then they voted to keep him. 415 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:22,599 So these are people who there revealed preferences show that they supported McCarthy. Nevertheless, 416 00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:28,440 there was quite a bit of grumbling that I think is worth discussing. 417 00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:31,160 So you point out it's eight Republicans and Democrats who did this. Let's not 418 00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:37,440 act like this was even a majority of Republicans. It's a pretty tiny number, 419 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,759 and that is true. It is also true I think that there has 420 00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:45,880 been some discontent and the two things. Maybe let's talk about three things that 421 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:54,480 I heard from people. One widespread frustration with how he handled the debt limit 422 00:32:54,559 --> 00:33:00,000 negotiations, so they felt they had a pretty strong hand going into those debts 423 00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:04,559 limit negotiations, and that he folded way too early. That happened many months 424 00:33:04,599 --> 00:33:07,039 ago, I think in June or something like that, but it really soured 425 00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:12,400 things and made people not trust his leadership as much as they had before. 426 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,039 They all kind of were pleasantly happy with how things were going. The other 427 00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:22,720 thing is that they had worked really hard when he got the speaker bid to 428 00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:27,480 put in there that they would be passing appropriations bills one by one rather than 429 00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:30,640 doing the stuff. We just talked about the absurdity of this shutdown theater and 430 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:37,119 the continuing resolutions, and they feel that he did not push that enough, 431 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:42,279 did not provide leadership enough on that that more could have been done over the 432 00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:47,200 past many months, and there just wasn't pressure or leadership in that area. 433 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:55,000 And then the third thing I heard was that they again they're pretty happy with 434 00:33:55,119 --> 00:34:00,680 him by and large, but that they feel that there is this responsibility on 435 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:05,000 the Republicans in the House, even though they have a tenC tiny majority, 436 00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:08,199 to really move the conversation, and that while he was good at that, 437 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:13,440 they felt that they needed someone who would be great now. The reason why 438 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,559 they kept supporting him is who, I'm sorry, who's the other person who's 439 00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:20,400 going to come in and be better? You know, you don't trade out 440 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,400 someone that you're that you feel is pretty good, even if you want someone 441 00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:31,400 better Without having the better option ready to go right. Yeah, it was, 442 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,079 yeah, gone. But the point being, I think people are being 443 00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:39,800 a little hysterical and freaked out about this, and that they could all calm 444 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:45,199 down a little bit. And then, contradictorily, I woke up sad because 445 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,679 I actually think it's kind of a shame that we have Mitch McConnell, a 446 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:54,559 man who hates the Republican voter and does everything in his power to sabotage them 447 00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:00,920 other than on a few key issues, and he's like, like fine for 448 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,639 this world. All these senators think the only way he's leaving is in a 449 00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:07,719 pine box, and he's fine. And then McCarthy, who actually does try 450 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:12,480 to blend establishment with voters, like he's the one who gets punished. He 451 00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:17,159 was also the one who had the trouble getting getting elected speaker. Mitch McConnell 452 00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:24,320 had no trouble getting elected Minority leader at the same time. So, well, 453 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,199 I'm not a young man. I've been around a bit and i can 454 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:34,760 remember every single uh speaker. You know, they're being grumbling because you're dealing 455 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:39,360 with a lot of disparate ideas people play, you know, different people with 456 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:46,000 different concerns from different geographical areas and different ideologically you know, ideological areas, 457 00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:52,559 and so it's a tough job even when you have a decent majority. And 458 00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:55,639 I you know, I'm not really defending you know, I'd say he did 459 00:35:55,639 --> 00:36:00,599 an okay job. But the thing thing is, I just feel like there 460 00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:04,599 and it's even hard to say this now because most people didn't join in with 461 00:36:04,679 --> 00:36:08,840 Gates, but there's this idea that it's a UNA party and you know, 462 00:36:09,159 --> 00:36:12,719 this is what the attack was on me yesterday. I'm just part of the 463 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,440 UNA party and the establishment and this and that at some point someone has to 464 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:21,800 be has to run stuff, who's competent and who can bring together different kinds 465 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,920 of factions. You know, I don't understand. I mean, I just 466 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:29,000 think Matt Yates this is all just some personal vendetta for him. I don't 467 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,559 know what goes on behind the scenes, which it seems like to me. 468 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,239 And I don't even know why a lot of these other people joined in. 469 00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:38,639 But not only is everything true that you said, where who's going to do 470 00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:43,000 it now? Who's going to do it better? Now? All it did 471 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,960 was take take the allow the media and it's not you know, they have 472 00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:52,679 to cover it to take the attention off that clown pulling a fire alarm, 473 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,440 or the Hunter Biden stuff that went on yesterday, or you know, all 474 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,239 the other stuff that went on, and to frame this as some kind of 475 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:05,320 big revolt in the Republican Party that's falling apart, that can't govern, you 476 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,800 know, et cetera, et cetera. I think that's a legitimate frustration and 477 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:13,920 worry. I also think, though this, I keep thinking about this thing. 478 00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:21,679 One person said to me yesterday, which is they liked Kevin. They 479 00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:23,039 think he's done a good job, and they also thought that it was such 480 00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:27,440 a thankless job. The same person said that they thought that they should give 481 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,440 the job to Matt Gates because it's that bad of a job. So if 482 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,119 you really are angry at someone, you give them the speaker job. But 483 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:39,159 what he was saying is it's two minutes to midnight. The situation is like 484 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:45,920 Congress is completely broken, the appropriations process is completely broken, the oversight process 485 00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:52,920 broken. The country is hurling off a cliff in in the view of this 486 00:37:52,960 --> 00:38:00,280 person, and so two minutes to midnight, Kevin McCarthy is not got the 487 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:05,280 attitude of like, this is our last chance to save things. Now he 488 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,000 was recognizing that it's probably too late for everybody anyway, The amount of work 489 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,440 that needs to be done is overwhelming, and so maybe just keeping things running 490 00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:16,119 slightly better than they've been run in the past is the way to go. 491 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:22,159 But in the grand scheme of things, as bad as it is that we 492 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:30,880 have political persecutions of the j six writers versus what happens in Congress, and 493 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,920 that is an important story. If something could be done to fix Congress in 494 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,599 a big and dramatic way, that would be more important, which you know, 495 00:38:40,679 --> 00:38:46,239 potentially could happen with something like after what we just went through yesterday. 496 00:38:46,679 --> 00:38:52,159 The lack of a plan makes it likely that it won't happen. But I 497 00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:55,119 just want to throw that out there. And another thing, you know, 498 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:04,239 is that in my this is obviously this is good for Democrats. Two hundred 499 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,039 and eight of them voted one way and only eight Republicans Democrats with the help 500 00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:13,920 of a few Republicans over you know, throughout the speaker and caused have you 501 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:20,559 know, chaos on the right. And yet all these like people online are 502 00:39:20,599 --> 00:39:27,360 telling me and obviously these are just you know, people online that Gates is 503 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,920 the one who represents the base that you know, by voting with two hundred 504 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:36,320 and eight Democrats, he's the one who's who's who's you know, finally shaking 505 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,440 it up and this and that. And there are too many people like him 506 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,800 in Congress. And it's not about ideology, because I went yesterday, I 507 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,280 went through what he believes in, how he votes. He's he's fine. 508 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:50,159 Most of the things he believes on and I believe in. But he's just 509 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:55,519 these kind of demagogues and grand standards do not help get anything done. And 510 00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:01,000 it's just it's just frustrating because this action right now, I can't think of 511 00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:07,280 a better time for Republicans to be running. Right. The economy is terrible, 512 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,480 the border is terrible, the you know, there's just a you know 513 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:16,039 what other you know, the Democrats are defending mutilation of children, and they're 514 00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:23,239 defending you know, stripping parents of a choice to you know, and defending 515 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:29,039 pronography in schools. Crime is up all over. The president is a doddering, 516 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:34,400 incoherent mess with a growing corruption problem, you know, And this is 517 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,480 what Republicans are busying themselves with. Because I think a lot of these guys 518 00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:42,840 who are you know, who consider themselves populous, hate other Republicans more than 519 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,760 they hate Democrats. That's fine. I'm not that political in the sense of 520 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,440 being partisans, so that's fine. But this is not going to get you 521 00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:52,920 anything, and it's not going to go anywhere anyway. A lot of people 522 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:57,360 were focused on how this is personal for Matt Gates. He denies it's personal. 523 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,960 That was a big talking point of Kevin McCarthy's you yourself point out he's 524 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:06,159 a principled He's principled in how he votes. Right, Yeah, because it's 525 00:41:06,199 --> 00:41:08,360 easy when you're out of power to vote principled. But anyway, go on. 526 00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:13,159 No, No, I think this is a guy I have personally disagreed 527 00:41:13,159 --> 00:41:15,960 with him, you know, face to face. He thinks I'm one of 528 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:23,760 these like Christian. No, He's that's not very Uh. He has a 529 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:30,039 different stand He has different ethics about sexual ethics than I do or than I 530 00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:35,079 aspire to so, and he's very open and honest about that. He's very 531 00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:37,320 public about how he kind of thinks a bunch of people are hypocrites and prudes 532 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,679 and stuff like that. So he and I have personally sparred on some of 533 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:45,360 these issues. I have always found him to be a principled voter. I 534 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:50,559 mean, yeah, like a principled member of Congress. He is a fiscal 535 00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:54,840 conservative. He's pretty supportive of social conservatives despite not you know, personally being 536 00:41:54,880 --> 00:42:00,119 one. But the personal issue I think we kind of need to tell talk 537 00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:05,840 about because I do believe it plays into things despite him denying it. And 538 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:12,599 the issue there is that the Department of Justice ran an operation against him. 539 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:17,280 Basically, they knowing he's vulnerable on some of these issues because of his personal 540 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:24,400 life. They claimed that he was a child sex trafficker. They later admitted 541 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:29,679 after like two years that they had no evidence to support that. In the 542 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:36,480 meantime, they had leaked this false claim to the Washington Post, and it 543 00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:42,800 made him suffer a great deal, a great deal, and it was very 544 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,159 hurtful and very harmful and really one of the more disgusting things that has happened 545 00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:51,400 out from the Department of Justice. Yes, he was an outspoken critic of 546 00:42:51,679 --> 00:42:55,079 their other false claims. He was one of these people who was pointing out 547 00:42:55,079 --> 00:42:59,639 that they were falsely claiming that Donald Trump had stolen the election by colluding with 548 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,840 Russia. He stood very strong. He did things that were difficult at a 549 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,239 time that few people had courage there, and so they paid him back by 550 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:14,360 falsely accusing him of being a child sex trafficker when that happened. I do 551 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:20,480 believe that Matt Gates feels that Kevin McCarthy was not where he should have been 552 00:43:20,679 --> 00:43:27,079 on that issue, that he maybe delighted in that operation run by the Department 553 00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:30,559 of Justice. Ken McCarthy was really good at working with people that didn't like 554 00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:36,519 him, you know. I think Emily Jishinski wrote about how when Marjorie Taylor 555 00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:39,159 Green was on her Twitter feed just talking about how much she didn't like Kevin 556 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:44,320 McCarthy, he did not get mad. He called her every day four weeks 557 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,199 until he won her over. He's really good at doing stuff like that, 558 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:52,000 and it's sort of one of the benefits of not being in ideologue. He 559 00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:54,280 just is willing to work with people no matter what and win them over. 560 00:43:54,639 --> 00:43:59,079 He did not take that approach with Matt Gates. He kind of took an 561 00:43:59,079 --> 00:44:06,239 opposite approach, and I think that was probably a strategic error as we see 562 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:10,119 now. So whether that's a personal or a matter of principle, you know 563 00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:15,760 which side you are on when the DOJ runs an info op is up for 564 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:23,199 debate. Probably but I do think when the DOJ, you know, regardless 565 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:30,440 of whether you fell for that operation or not, the DJ is not supposed 566 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:35,159 to be leaking stuff to the Washington Post or New York Times, and they 567 00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:38,599 do it all the time against Republicans, and you have to fight against that. 568 00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:47,280 The Washedoutal Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski Every day, Chris helps unpack 569 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:52,280 the connection between politics and the economy and how it affects your walle Every crisis 570 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,960 is an opportunity for government to take our freedoms away. The Wall Street Journal 571 00:44:54,960 --> 00:45:00,320 reports that the Security and Exchange Commission has created a database to track every single 572 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,920 stock transaction in your portfolio, whether it be nine to eleven, the Patriot 573 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,480 Act? What is this going to end? Whether it's happening in DC or 574 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,360 down on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially. Be informed. Check out 575 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,760 the Watchdot on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or 576 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:20,840 wherever you get your podcast. Yeah, you're right about You're right about how 577 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,480 he was smeared in that way unfairly. I think I might have written about 578 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:34,079 it. However, McCarthy mentioned something yesterday about an ongoing ethics investigation. You 579 00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:37,960 know what it is. It's that so Glynn, he said he saw it, 580 00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:39,639 okay, going no go on same way. I'm just saying, he 581 00:45:39,679 --> 00:45:44,639 said, I've read these texts and you haven't. So maybe it is leaked, 582 00:45:44,679 --> 00:45:46,760 and maybe it isn't as bad as they say, but maybe there's something 583 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,920 there that is pretty bad and that I don't know for that for sure at 584 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,599 all, but I'm just saying that there might be a reason he didn't, 585 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:58,000 you know, coddle him or help him, because maybe he knows something's coming 586 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,920 that's going to be really embarrassing. I don't know that that's true, but 587 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,639 that's what he sort of insinuated yesterday, at least to me, that to 588 00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:09,719 my years. So the ethics investigation arose after the Department of Justice ran its 589 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:15,519 info op against Gates through the press. That's how the ethics investigation arose, 590 00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:21,599 I believe, meaning it was because of what the dj was doing. I 591 00:46:21,679 --> 00:46:25,519 find it somewhat hard to believe that the DOJ, which seeks Matt Gates's destruction 592 00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:34,000 and has amazing investigative powers, would not be able to ring Matt Gates up 593 00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:39,039 on anything, but that the Ethics Committee in the House. Would. But 594 00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:42,920 I'm glad at least, like you know, I feel like there was a 595 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:50,239 little lum people weren't being honest that McCarthy does take that position. So I'm 596 00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:54,599 glad that he at least he did say that publicly. And I am not 597 00:46:54,679 --> 00:47:00,519 a fan of Marjorie Taylor Green at all, but I don't have to be. 598 00:47:01,159 --> 00:47:05,559 You're going to get weird people in Congress. It's always been that way, 599 00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:09,000 and the speaker is going to have to corral these people, especially when 600 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:13,880 he has what is there, what is their majority five seats or something six 601 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,159 seats, five seats. They you know, you're going to have to do 602 00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:20,639 that sort of thing that you know, they're elected by the people. You 603 00:47:20,679 --> 00:47:23,599 don't have to like them, but you need them their votes. That's fine, 604 00:47:23,639 --> 00:47:30,119 so you know that's what you do. So you saying that and expressing 605 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,039 you know that that's the sort of thing he does, and him not doing 606 00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:37,920 it with Gates tells me that it is somehow personal and that something else is 607 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:43,519 going on there, right, And maybe yeah, So I don't buy Gates 608 00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:46,079 is Listen, if you're a good politician and there is really all this discontent 609 00:47:46,159 --> 00:47:52,079 about McCarthy, you go and you get a sizeable at least minority together before 610 00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:55,119 you do this, to show that there's something wrong within the if you're going 611 00:47:55,159 --> 00:47:59,480 to do it anyway, there's something wrong within the conference and within you know, 612 00:47:59,519 --> 00:48:02,079 and there's no consensus on a leader and this and that, and you 613 00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:06,679 bring together I don't know, you bring together fifty sixty people. He got 614 00:48:06,679 --> 00:48:10,559 eight, and two of them, in my view, are not at all 615 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,880 Gates. Like in fact, Nancy Mace last time Gates tried to do this, 616 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,199 called him a fraud. But yet she voted with him this time and 617 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,239 hasn't I believe, explained even why she did that. And ken Buck, 618 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:27,679 who reportedly is about to leave and go to CNN, there's a complete squiesh. 619 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,519 And let me tell you another Gates did yesterday. He went after Republicans 620 00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:35,119 on stuff that is good, Like he started going after them for having failure 621 00:48:35,159 --> 00:48:37,760 theater over the Hunter Biden Joe Biden stuff, which is a lie. Yeah, 622 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:44,960 what he's saying there is that when you're dealing with a weaponized Department of 623 00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:50,679 Justice, the proper thing to do is have an appropriations debate where you actually 624 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,840 look at the money that you're giving them to destroy the country, and you 625 00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:58,360 make sure that they don't have that money. You punish them for real, 626 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,639 you take the money away for real. And rather than doing an appropriation's battle, 627 00:49:02,639 --> 00:49:07,679 they're doing this sort of like impeachment process of some kind that we all 628 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:15,199 know will result, even in the best of circumstances, will result with Democrats, 629 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:21,400 probably joined by a bunch of weak Republicans, exonerating Biden in the end. 630 00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,239 So that's what he means by theater. We can actually do something about 631 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:30,559 the Department of Justice, because Congress is a constitutional branch that has authority and 632 00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:36,079 it keeps giving it away and then doing like theater stuff instead of actually looking 633 00:49:36,119 --> 00:49:39,800 at the problems and taking the money away so that they can't destroy the country. 634 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:45,639 And that's actually a good argument. And I'm totally in favor of the 635 00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:49,480 impeachment process as well, and what can be found out that way. But 636 00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:54,639 really what matters is taking responsibility as one of those branches of government that is 637 00:49:54,760 --> 00:50:00,559 a real branch of government that has our authority and like be doing things not 638 00:50:00,639 --> 00:50:04,480 just at the Department of Justice, but on the border, dealing with crime, 639 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,280 dealing with you know, all sorts of issues, whether it's like our 640 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:15,400 military caring more about trans issues than waging winnable wars. These are real things 641 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:20,360 that goes. There's tons of issues there. I just want to go back 642 00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,039 to the initial thing you said. I don't think he's making a good argument 643 00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:30,199 because I believe that laying out a really strong case meticulously against Joe Biden gives 644 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,880 you far more ammunition to start taking money away from people and you know, 645 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:42,119 political ammunition, and without that, it just seems like it's revenge or whatever, 646 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,880 and it isn't a great case. And more than that, this does 647 00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,199 not the way you really get all the stuff you just spoke about done. 648 00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,800 Yes, the House has all this power, but it's to win elections, 649 00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:57,599 and you're not going to win elections by making your party look like there's chaos 650 00:50:57,599 --> 00:51:04,800 in it for no tangible, ideological or principled reason that anyone can think of 651 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,519 or come up with. Yesterday, he was on the floor, first of 652 00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:12,039 all, commiserating with the other side on the floor, talking about, you 653 00:51:12,039 --> 00:51:15,239 know, just ripping Republicans for stuff that's been going on for decades, like 654 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,800 Kevin McCarthy's supposed to stop. You know, it's Kevin McCarthy any more fault 655 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:25,079 for our debt problem than Donald Trump or a bunch of other Republicans. Know, 656 00:51:25,679 --> 00:51:30,039 it's just it was just okay, so silly. Again, we have 657 00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:31,800 a bunch of people who are like, well, this is a really difficult 658 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:37,079 and intractable problem. Let's just keep doing things with like slight marginal improvements. 659 00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:44,840 And I think you were disparaging how Matt Gates makes donor dollars off of small 660 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,639 dollar donors. He also addressed that actually someone was complaining about it, and 661 00:51:47,679 --> 00:51:52,639 he's like, right, you all have big money brought in through corporations and 662 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:59,320 special interests and I through the actual voters. And you know, there is 663 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:04,280 something to be said for that. Appealing to the voters of your party is 664 00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:08,400 not a problem. It's a good thing, you know. And the fact 665 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:13,360 that money controls so much of this and let's you know, talk about it 666 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,639 with the big thing that people are freaked out about is Ken McCarthy is very 667 00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:22,280 good at raising money from big corporations. There are costs associated with that. 668 00:52:22,519 --> 00:52:27,320 It does make you less bold, it makes you less beholden to your voters. 669 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,480 Might be just the price you pay in order to have a major political 670 00:52:30,519 --> 00:52:36,320 party. But as corporations have increasingly turned against the interests of the country and 671 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,920 the Republican voter. There is a tension there and leadership. You know how 672 00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:45,519 you always talk about, David, how leadership isn't like finding where the people 673 00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:49,199 are and then rushing over to them so you can lead the way. That 674 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,320 is also true in the donor context. Leadership is not about being beholden to 675 00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:58,360 donors. It's about doing the right thing. We have a dangerous lack of 676 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,639 statesmen in this country who instead of being like, well, I can't do 677 00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,960 this because this corporation would get mad, or the military industrial complex will get 678 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,960 mad. I mean, our whole Ukraine policy is about we can't make the 679 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:13,679 military industrial complex mad. And Eisenhower really did write beautifully about this. You 680 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,559 might I always think about how his original speech was not about the military industrial 681 00:53:17,639 --> 00:53:27,480 complex, General Eisenhower. President Eisenhower's farewell speech talked about the military industrial congressional 682 00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:31,960 complex. He took that word out for political reasons, but it's an important 683 00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:37,039 thing to remember that that's how he viewed it, how military and the industry 684 00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:40,840 worked with Congress to have these ways of fighting wars that were at odds with 685 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:50,079 actual strategic victory. We could use leadership that thinks about the situation that we're 686 00:53:50,119 --> 00:53:52,880 in in this country, realizes that it might cost something in terms of donor 687 00:53:52,880 --> 00:54:00,360 support, and still uses like the strength of the position and of the political 688 00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:06,079 position to lead the way. Well as I'm sure you know, a congressman 689 00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:09,239 in a safe seat in Florida doesn't have to take money from big corporations. 690 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:14,679 He can pretend to be pure. But a big national party, a real 691 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,320 national party, can't. They're going to need a lot of money to compete. 692 00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,840 It's not only about money, but they need to compete. I don't 693 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:27,320 care about this taking donors from everything's a special that trist I would like to 694 00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,320 push back against this. In twenty sixteen, one of the big arguments against 695 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:37,400 Donald Trump having any hope of winning a national election was that he had no 696 00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:42,840 donors, and he also had, by the way, no political consultant ground 697 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,400 game. And there was that guy I think he died. He was on 698 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:51,920 Twitter and he was roundly mocked for saying the ground game is in our our 699 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:57,000 hearts. Trump did manage to get a few donors, but nothing like what 700 00:54:57,079 --> 00:55:02,920 most people running for office get. What he did was provide leadership that is 701 00:55:04,039 --> 00:55:08,840 this quality that we are lacking in too many people. He spoke honestly about 702 00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:13,440 problems facing the country. I think it was a big reason why he did 703 00:55:13,519 --> 00:55:16,800 well in twenty sixteen, was just speaking honestly about the situation on the border, 704 00:55:17,079 --> 00:55:22,000 the corruption of our elites, the rigging of the system. Like he 705 00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:25,599 didn't have money, he didn't have consultants, but he had something else, 706 00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:30,440 And I think that that would be a good model for the Republican Party to 707 00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:36,159 follow. Thinking about other people who might have those same qualities. They might 708 00:55:36,199 --> 00:55:38,320 not be able to raise the money, they might not be responsive to what 709 00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:42,719 the Republican consultants say you have to do to win a race, but they 710 00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:53,320 have some other ethereal leadership quality. Did you just roll your eyes? Donald 711 00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:57,639 Trump is a unique case because he was a massive celebrity, and yes, 712 00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:04,800 I think he tapped into something that the that the establishment was not talking about, 713 00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,639 especially in my view, the border. I think that's a much bigger 714 00:56:07,639 --> 00:56:09,599 issue than people believe. I don't think it shows up in polls because I 715 00:56:09,639 --> 00:56:14,800 think people who are polled are scared to talk about it. Honestly, he 716 00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:19,719 also had the benefit of running against the most dislike presidential candidate probably in history, 717 00:56:20,639 --> 00:56:22,960 Hillary Clinton. We can't forget that either. But anyway, setting that 718 00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:28,760 aside, mad Gates doesn't need to take big dollars. It's fine. I 719 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,519 mean, you know, corporate dollars, special interest dollars, whatever, But 720 00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:37,920 you're not. Let's be honest, a national party is not. You do 721 00:56:37,039 --> 00:56:39,559 agree that a national party is going to have to raise a lot of money 722 00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:43,519 to be competitive. I'm not just talking about putting ads on TV. I'm 723 00:56:43,559 --> 00:56:46,760 talking about ground games. I'm talking about getting out there. I'm talking about 724 00:56:47,079 --> 00:56:52,239 all the infrastructure that goes into a political party. There's just no other way 725 00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,599 to do it now. I don't care where politicians get their money from. 726 00:56:54,639 --> 00:57:00,480 I only care how they vote in what they do. And I'd rather have 727 00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:06,920 people who are stable who take big donor dollars than people are who listen, 728 00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:09,719 who are very online and basically listen to the bunch of people who are yelling 729 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,679 online. That's not the base either. There are plenty of people who aren't 730 00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:19,039 that involved in politics, who who who the Republicans should be representing it as 731 00:57:19,079 --> 00:57:22,119 well, who they don't quite often when they do things like this, So 732 00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:24,960 I don't even know. I was rolling my eyes. I was a little 733 00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:28,519 upset, So I don't know what I was going to say exactly, but 734 00:57:29,679 --> 00:57:32,519 I think we should have different another you know, talk about that at another 735 00:57:32,639 --> 00:57:37,000 time. Yeah, no, I actually kind of I'm just thinking this stuff 736 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,920 out loud myself, like in response to what you're saying. I do think 737 00:57:42,159 --> 00:57:45,679 there was one other thing which bothered me about yesterday. There were all these 738 00:57:45,719 --> 00:57:50,239 people who kept saying, this is embarrassing. It was the same thing they 739 00:57:50,239 --> 00:57:53,920 said during the leadership battle for Kevin McCarthy, this is embarrassing, and I 740 00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:59,079 don't quite understand. I get all the arguments that you laid out, David, 741 00:57:59,119 --> 00:58:02,480 and I actually find them very a lot of them very compelling about the 742 00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:07,360 idiocy of what happened. But I don't think it's embarrassing to see people fighting 743 00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:13,239 on the floor of Congress. I actually like watching it happen in parliamentary systems, 744 00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,400 and we don't have a parliamentary system, and this kind of felt parliamentary. 745 00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:21,239 But nobody looks at like those debates that they broadcast on c SPAN or 746 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,880 PBS or whatever it is from the House of Commons and says like this is 747 00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:28,760 embarrassing to watch these people insult each other from the floor. It's not. 748 00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:32,199 It's okay. We have big divisions and fights about what it means to be 749 00:58:32,239 --> 00:58:36,719 a leader and what the right strategy is to save the country, and we 750 00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,800 are in really serious times and it's okay for people to fight. In fact, 751 00:58:40,239 --> 00:58:45,320 I wish there were far more fights. I wish there were far more 752 00:58:46,039 --> 00:58:52,079 deployments of parliamentary procedure that were fun to watch and you know, weird and 753 00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:58,079 without president, and I just don't like when people find the chaos of the 754 00:58:58,119 --> 00:59:02,440 moment to be somehow like unacceptable. I agree with all of that. I 755 00:59:02,519 --> 00:59:07,079 think the word civility is usually deployed to shut people up and not have them 756 00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:13,960 debate, not have them be honest. I enjoy the parliamentary debates as well. 757 00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:17,840 I think though that in this case, or I should say it like 758 00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:22,079 this, I want to see that sort of stuff when it matters about things 759 00:59:22,079 --> 00:59:25,039 that matter about you know. It's like when Donald Trump's out there tweeting something 760 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,280 differences like, oh my god, I can't believe you said that. It's 761 00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:32,559 so authoritarian, and the Democrats very very politely go about actually instituting policies that 762 00:59:32,599 --> 00:59:37,000 are authoritarian. To me, I'd rather have an open debate about why that 763 00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:40,920 is a big problem for the country. And the Constitution. So I agree 764 00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:45,119 with all of that. It's democracy, you know, and as people say, 765 00:59:45,159 --> 00:59:47,760 you know, it's messy. Yeah, it gets messy, but not 766 00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:52,679 when you have you know. But also people can point out that what you're 767 00:59:52,679 --> 00:59:58,320 doing is messy and also stupid and irrelevant and actually counterproductive. Yes, yes, 768 00:59:58,679 --> 01:00:01,840 if Magne Gates, who I think is one of these Trumpian figures in 769 01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:06,239 that he doesn't really care that everyone's saying things about it, I mean, 770 01:00:06,239 --> 01:00:09,679 obviously cares if he's being smeared as some kind of you know, you know, 771 01:00:10,039 --> 01:00:14,639 immoral person whatever if he isn't, But I don't think he cares. 772 01:00:14,679 --> 01:00:19,639 And it would be great if he used that kind of you know, that 773 01:00:20,239 --> 01:00:24,320 personality trade or political trade to engage in things that really mattered in a more 774 01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:29,440 effective way. But instead I think he just used it to By the way, 775 01:00:29,519 --> 01:00:30,920 I think that he's going to be in trouble now in some sense, 776 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:35,519 I just don't. I mean, he was probably not very not like very 777 01:00:35,559 --> 01:00:38,840 much in general, but I mean I just can't see him having any effect 778 01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:42,159 anymore. I just don't even see. I mean, there's going to be 779 01:00:42,199 --> 01:00:45,239 revenge here, right There are a lot of people who like Kevin McCarthy even 780 01:00:45,239 --> 01:00:49,760 though they were grasping about him. Right. Yeah, I have no idea 781 01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:54,239 what the effect will be, but I do think that a weird thing about 782 01:00:54,280 --> 01:01:00,599 both Matt Gates and Kevin McCarthy is that neither of them well, I think 783 01:01:00,599 --> 01:01:02,840 Matt Gates would be happy to be out of Congress, so when people were 784 01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:07,039 threatening him with expulsion, it's like, don't threaten me with a good time, 785 01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:08,760 like I think he wants. I think he thinks it's very, very 786 01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,800 broken. In the same way the Victoria Sparks has been talking about this, 787 01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,960 like she came to Congress, she's very frustrated by how little can be done 788 01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:20,280 by someone who actually cares about the Constitution and stuff. Likewise, I think 789 01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,239 Kevin McCarthy, beginning several weeks ago, was like, this is a thankless 790 01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:29,599 job as speaker, Like this is just ridiculous. Necessarily, yeah, I 791 01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:34,679 don't think he's necessarily like broken hearted about being ousted. Could just quickly interject 792 01:01:34,679 --> 01:01:37,400 and say that I am happy things can't get done easily, even though I 793 01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:42,159 realized lots of times that means the things I want to get done can happen 794 01:01:42,199 --> 01:01:45,559 easily, because it is a problem if things could get done easily. I 795 01:01:45,559 --> 01:01:50,440 think I hate to sound like one of these people who talks about the founding 796 01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,599 all the time, but I think they wanted things to move slowly, and 797 01:01:54,159 --> 01:02:00,760 I know that gets frustrating. Listen, it took fifty years to overturn ro 798 01:02:01,039 --> 01:02:07,079 Right. You had to build a legal infrastructure, You had to change people's 799 01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:09,880 perception of the Constitution again or re you know, bring it back to its 800 01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:13,199 original intent, and all of that, and then you had to have the 801 01:02:13,239 --> 01:02:15,440 political will to put in the right people, and on and on. Things 802 01:02:15,519 --> 01:02:20,960 happen slowly. And this, I think because there's so much demagoguery about how 803 01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,320 I'm going to do this tomorrow and I'm going to do that tomorrow. A 804 01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:27,960 lot of voters have fooled themselves into believing that things can just get done. 805 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,920 It doesn't work that way. And it don't get me wrong. There's a 806 01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:34,840 lot of abuse of bureaucracies and executive power that do get things unfortunately done right 807 01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,719 away. But it's not supposed to be that way. I don't know, 808 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:43,480 so, you know, I know people get frustrated, but I just you 809 01:02:43,519 --> 01:02:50,199 know, right enough on that, right, Molly, Let's talk about something 810 01:02:50,239 --> 01:02:55,880 else real quick. We've mentioned this Atlantic piece that came out right before the 811 01:02:55,920 --> 01:03:00,480 election in twenty twenty presidential election twenty t twenty many times. In it, 812 01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:08,639 Jeffrey Goldberg, editor of the Atlantic, wrote that Donald Trump on a trip 813 01:03:08,719 --> 01:03:15,480 to was it where was it? France? Paris? Yea, to France, 814 01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:22,159 Harris did not you know, but basically he called uh dead American soldiers 815 01:03:22,199 --> 01:03:24,400 suckers and losers and said something like, why would they even you know, 816 01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:30,119 do this. They're just a bunch of suckers and losers. We've always I've 817 01:03:30,119 --> 01:03:35,559 always thought that it was probably made up. Obviously, the journalistic integrity of 818 01:03:35,639 --> 01:03:37,960 that piece is not strong, to say the least. It was not reported 819 01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:43,840 in the normal way that reporters would report things to sources. So on this 820 01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:52,360 week. This week, John Kelly was interviewed by Jake Tapper on CNN. 821 01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:57,000 I would it's it's kind of framed like a news story, but he just 822 01:03:57,079 --> 01:04:02,440 lets the guy talk and Kelly as well. Anyway, So we interviewed him, 823 01:04:02,519 --> 01:04:08,360 and The Atlantic ran a story about how John Kelly has confirmed our story 824 01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:12,679 and all these other things that Trump has done as true. But then I 825 01:04:12,719 --> 01:04:15,639 read the story and he doesn't really do that, right, He says that 826 01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:20,679 he look, you've heard it. Also, he says, he like you 827 01:04:20,719 --> 01:04:24,960 know, prefaces it with that kind of wording, and then he goes into 828 01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:28,159 all these things and he doesn't actually confirm them. So I'm a little bit 829 01:04:28,159 --> 01:04:31,280 confused. What do you think? Yeah, the actual story so okay, 830 01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,760 I actually want to kind of tell it a different way. Yeah, yeah, 831 01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:38,239 yeah. Jeffrey Goldberg puts out a story and he claims, he says, 832 01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:44,840 you heard it said that when Donald Trump went to France in twenty eighteen, 833 01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:50,440 that he couldn't go to einmarn Cemetery at Bellowood because of the rain, 834 01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:56,800 And that's a lie. In fact, he harbors secret hatred for dead American 835 01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:01,920 soldiers and for anonymous and on willing to be named people say that they personally 836 01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:08,039 heard him say that dead American soldiers contrary to his public persona of caring so 837 01:05:08,159 --> 01:05:12,039 much about the military and his like dramatic you know, how much he loves 838 01:05:12,079 --> 01:05:15,039 the theater of it all, he actually secretly hates them and calls them suckers 839 01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:19,400 and losers. Okay, when that story comes out, it was like unlike 840 01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:27,480 anything I'd ever seen in that something like twenty four sources contradicted this account that 841 01:05:27,559 --> 01:05:33,480 includes things like government documents saying stuff like we cannot move the President because of 842 01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:40,000 the rain. So unless you think like the government the Pentagon was in on 843 01:05:40,039 --> 01:05:45,920 this secret hatred of dead American soldiers, you have all sorts of people, 844 01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:50,280 including people who hate Donald Trump, who were in the room when this allegedly 845 01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:54,880 happened, people like John Bolton saying and there were a lot of people in 846 01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:58,079 the room when this allegedly happened, But people like John Bolton saying like I 847 01:05:58,119 --> 01:06:00,079 hate Donald Trump and I think he's the worst human in the history of mankind. 848 01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:05,760 He never said anything like this. You have the fact that the next 849 01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:11,559 day he went to a World War One cemetery filled with American soldiers dead American 850 01:06:11,559 --> 01:06:15,159 soldiers and gave a speech there. You have other visits to World War One 851 01:06:15,239 --> 01:06:20,400 and other American cemeteries where he's clearly all into the pomp and circumstance. You 852 01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:25,880 have his stated beliefs. I mean, it was an overwhelming onslot, and 853 01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:29,920 yet nobody in the media could be convinced that this was a false story, 854 01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:33,159 despite the anonymity, despite all of these issues with it, it gets put 855 01:06:33,199 --> 01:06:36,079 into a debate. I think Chris Wallace is like, well, as we 856 01:06:36,159 --> 01:06:42,039 know, sir, you have harbored secret hatred for dead American soldiers. When 857 01:06:42,079 --> 01:06:44,920 I interviewed Trump and asked him, like, was the what was the fake 858 01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,760 news story that bothered you the most? Without hesitation, he said it was 859 01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,840 this one. He's like, first of all, I said, I supposedly 860 01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:55,599 said this in a room full of generals. Do you think like they would 861 01:06:55,599 --> 01:06:58,519 have said something if I had, you know, to me in my face. 862 01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:03,559 So, in this context where Atlantic gets very excited and CNN says John 863 01:07:03,639 --> 01:07:10,280 Kelly has confirmed this story. What John Kelly says, Jake Tapper says like, 864 01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,760 is there anything that you want to say about Donald Trump? And he's 865 01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:16,440 like, what can I say other than what's already been said? Right? 866 01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,639 And so then he basically so what he confirmed? I mean, I do 867 01:07:19,679 --> 01:07:23,440 think he kind of confirmed he was one of the people who ran this operation, 868 01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:27,519 this info op to spread false information. But what he confirms is that 869 01:07:27,599 --> 01:07:30,880 he believes, or he claims to believe, these things that were said about. 870 01:07:31,119 --> 01:07:34,280 He mentions half a dozen things that happened before he took the job, 871 01:07:34,719 --> 01:07:42,199 like that Donald Trump went after that gold Star family that during the Democratic twenty 872 01:07:42,239 --> 01:07:46,679 sixteen convention. They bring out they bring out a gold Star family, a 873 01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,559 Muslim gold Star family, and they're like, this is the worst person in 874 01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:53,079 the history of the world. You can't vote for him America. And if 875 01:07:53,079 --> 01:07:57,559 he did his like punching them back thing, and John Kelly claims to believe 876 01:07:57,559 --> 01:08:03,599 that that's awful. He also defends Mark Millie, one of the worst generals 877 01:08:03,599 --> 01:08:09,920 we have ever had, who has done horrific things, including by his own 878 01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:15,840 admission, he claims he communicated with China to warn them about something that the 879 01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:20,479 civilian control of the military was thinking about, which is not okay, you 880 01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:27,239 know, and John Kelly defends him. Are you kidding me? Anyway? 881 01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:30,079 This is my this is my this is my problem that I have with with 882 01:08:30,199 --> 01:08:34,600 politics right now. It's like, why do you you can dislike Trump? 883 01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:38,520 Why do you have to defend Millie? Like it doesn't you don't have to. 884 01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,359 You could. You could be critical of both if you want to, 885 01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:46,560 but but it just seems people are incapable of doing that. Yeah, anyway, 886 01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:50,119 So I thought that was interesting, right, But the Atlantic when with 887 01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:54,359 the story that said he had confirmed it, which I which I don't think 888 01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:59,760 is right, you know, but obviously no journalists an't going to say anything 889 01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,199 about that. Can we talk about culture now? Yes? I tried to 890 01:09:02,279 --> 01:09:08,600 raise my voice there, like it's not all been a downer again, let's 891 01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:12,680 talk about culture. Such a good sign before we started, and you said 892 01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,520 something like is there enough to talk about? And I laughed because it just 893 01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,560 seems like every day is a tsunami, Like there are so many things we 894 01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,520 could have talked about that we didn't, the Trump trial and stuff. But 895 01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:24,640 yeah, let's talk culture. What did you watch this week? Well, 896 01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:26,720 let me first say that if people want to reach us, they should email 897 01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:31,640 us at radio at the Federalist dot com. Whenever I listened to Emily Joshinski 898 01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:35,439 doing her show, she's so professional in like laying out what people should do. 899 01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:38,920 I have to get better at it, so I just wanted to do 900 01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:44,159 that tell people that I have not done much. I'm working on a book 901 01:09:44,159 --> 01:09:46,560 as well. It's taken up a lot of my time. But I do 902 01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:50,159 want to talk about I did watch two things. One was Band of Brothers, 903 01:09:50,159 --> 01:09:54,000 which is on Netflix now. It's an HBO show. For my think 904 01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:58,359 twenty ten, No, two thousand, I'm sorry, two thousand and one. 905 01:09:59,079 --> 01:10:02,279 It is blow my mind. It is so great, and just these 906 01:10:02,279 --> 01:10:06,880 interviews they have the start of each episode with paratroopers who landed on you know, 907 01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:15,039 in Normandy and who fought Battle of Bulge, and then juxtaposing that with 908 01:10:15,119 --> 01:10:17,319 like the clowns that are running the country now and the people around there. 909 01:10:17,319 --> 01:10:20,600 And I'm not one of the you know, I hate to romanticize people in 910 01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:25,640 the past. I'm sure we're very we're very alike, but the bravery they 911 01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:29,520 showed these young men is just it's mind boggling. And I know it's dramatized 912 01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,359 and all that, but still, I'm sure the truth is actually far more 913 01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:35,000 interesting, and I mean, I know it is, so I just if 914 01:10:35,079 --> 01:10:39,159 people haven't seen that, I just I think maybe it's one of the best 915 01:10:39,319 --> 01:10:43,359 mini series ever made, or like television shows ever made. It's just historically 916 01:10:43,399 --> 01:10:46,840 accurate, doesn't gloss over a lot of things that kind of the war movies 917 01:10:47,039 --> 01:10:51,359 often do, where they make them more like action movies than realistic. So 918 01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:56,079 I watch that and then just quickly, because I have been watching The Big 919 01:10:56,119 --> 01:10:58,680 Bang Theory, I've got a lot of people talking about that with me. 920 01:10:59,399 --> 01:11:01,439 I tried to Young Sheldon, which is like a prequel to that show, 921 01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:05,760 and I really strongly disliked it, so after like three episodes, I quit 922 01:11:08,359 --> 01:11:14,119 moved me wrong listeners. So I did get to watch a couple of things. 923 01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:19,880 I'm doing a lot of interviews for my book on Justice Alito, and 924 01:11:20,039 --> 01:11:24,079 sometimes I do so many interviews in the day that my brain is a little 925 01:11:24,279 --> 01:11:27,840 fried by the end. So I've been enjoying watching something, you know at 926 01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:33,000 the end. So I watched a movie with Matt Damon and it was about 927 01:11:33,079 --> 01:11:38,359 how he was like this young struggling attorney and how he takes on an insurance 928 01:11:38,399 --> 01:11:41,279 company. I don't remember what it was called. It was like The rain 929 01:11:41,359 --> 01:11:45,520 Maker or something like that. Correct, Okay, you know what, Okay, 930 01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:47,439 it's a Francis Ford Koppola movie. Yeah, the man who made that 931 01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:57,119 movie called The Godfather you enjoy so much. Well, this was no Godfather. 932 01:11:57,199 --> 01:11:59,039 But it was good, I thought, And you know, we're like 933 01:11:59,119 --> 01:12:01,680 Danny DeVito and maybe or something. Yes, and he's really good in it 934 01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:08,039 too. And then I watched this other movie I have no Oh, Flora 935 01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:13,119 and Son, and my first impression of it was that it was not good. 936 01:12:13,239 --> 01:12:15,600 And then I realized. The next morning I woke up and I kind 937 01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:19,359 of liked it. So it's made by that guy who made the movie Once 938 01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:25,439 you know about the Irish Troubadours or whatever, you don't, No, I 939 01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:30,079 don't know that it's a good one. I would highly recommend Once Well involves 940 01:12:30,079 --> 01:12:35,199 a Czech lady and okay, this is about an Irish woman by the way, 941 01:12:35,239 --> 01:12:43,840 played by Bono's daughter, oh uh, and she is about her relationship 942 01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:47,079 with her son. She's not stablely employed. She has some drug issues, 943 01:12:47,079 --> 01:12:50,439 but they're not like considered a big part of the movie, just more that 944 01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:56,399 she's had them. It's kind of just made bad decisions and is feeling the 945 01:12:56,439 --> 01:13:00,720 weight of that. And her husband and she he lives separately. He's moved 946 01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:04,560 on to another woman, and the son is a mess. But it's like 947 01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:10,800 kind of a cheerful movie despite all this stuff I'm saying, And I do 948 01:13:11,039 --> 01:13:16,119 think it was interesting. And also his movies are always about music, and 949 01:13:16,159 --> 01:13:21,760 this was a movie about music. She ends up taking guitar lessons and you 950 01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:28,159 don't want to give everything away, but it was a nice movie about harmony, 951 01:13:28,399 --> 01:13:32,399 both musical and you know, family wise, and about there was this 952 01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:35,760 part where she's asking for help from a friend, so that she can do 953 01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:39,600 something for herself. And the friend is like, I am not going to 954 01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:42,800 help you with your son, and she's like, I've never asked for any 955 01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,319 help, and she's like, listen, you made that decision when you didn't 956 01:13:45,359 --> 01:13:48,920 take the boat to London, meaning when you got pregnant and you did not 957 01:13:49,039 --> 01:13:53,399 kill your baby. You made your bed. Now lie in it and don't 958 01:13:53,399 --> 01:13:59,039 ask other people to help you. And I don't know it just people talk 959 01:13:59,039 --> 01:14:03,279 about how being pro life isn't just about keeping babies from being violently murdered in 960 01:14:03,319 --> 01:14:08,239 the womb, but also about what happens the whole life. And it's also 961 01:14:08,239 --> 01:14:12,399 true for mothers that you know you could take this easy way out of killing 962 01:14:12,399 --> 01:14:16,119 your child or you don't, and what the costs and benefits of that are. 963 01:14:16,359 --> 01:14:18,880 And so I just thought it was kind of beautifully told in a weird 964 01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:25,079 way. It sounds like something I would want to watch, even though I 965 01:14:25,119 --> 01:14:29,279 will not blame the daughter of Bono for Bono's music, and I will watch 966 01:14:29,279 --> 01:14:33,359 this movie. I would also quickly like to say that pro life thing you 967 01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:38,399 just said is interesting because I was watching Big Bang Theory and in it, 968 01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:43,479 one of the characters is pregnant, and as soon as the characters know that 969 01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:48,880 she's pregnant, they, especially the husband, talks to the baby all the 970 01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:56,479 time. Like these shows are instinctively people act like pro lifers without even knowing 971 01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:58,680 it, you know. I know, I'm not the first person to point 972 01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:02,680 this out, but you see it instantly on in culture. And even though 973 01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:08,119 they tried very hard sometimes to make abortion a norm, even in movies where 974 01:15:08,119 --> 01:15:11,279 they make it try to make it a norm, it's always some sort of 975 01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:15,920 like traumatic thing that a person does. They can't avoid it because it is. 976 01:15:15,119 --> 01:15:18,760 And I mean, sorry, you know, if you're a moral person, 977 01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:23,479 it is. And I just find that interesting. So I'll add to 978 01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:26,840 that then that there was this other show that we had watched. I'd mentioned 979 01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:32,560 it previously. It's called Daisy Jones and the Six And in terms of rock 980 01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:39,520 royalty families, the main character is played by Elvis's granddaughter, and she's really 981 01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:45,840 good Riley k Kiah for I don't have to say their name. The show 982 01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,560 is about a band that has two women in the band and it has a 983 01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:53,319 wife of the lead singer. The wife of the lead singer gets pregnant early 984 01:15:53,399 --> 01:15:59,159 on, and they that child is like a huge part of the story and 985 01:15:59,199 --> 01:16:02,159 it's a beautiful thing. And there's this other member of the band who gets 986 01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:06,199 pregnant later and she wants to have a career, so she kills the baby 987 01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:10,880 the father the way that shows the effect on the father. So when she 988 01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:14,600 tells him she's pregnant, he is so happy and so excited about this life 989 01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:16,439 they're bringing into this world, and she's like, no, I was planning 990 01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:19,760 on killing the baby for my career, and so he has to kind of 991 01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:25,439 deal with that. And I thought it was an honest look at how men 992 01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:31,560 are involved in how men hurt when children are killed against their will. And 993 01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:38,359 also it wasn't like heavy handed at all, but it did kind of show 994 01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,920 the sadness of this woman's life that she traded. You know, she was 995 01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:45,319 willing to kill her child so she could have this like thriving career that's not 996 01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:48,039 that thriving and not that great, and you know, it's not that flourishing 997 01:16:48,399 --> 01:16:51,199 and just sort of the costs of so, you know, it's hard to 998 01:16:51,279 --> 01:16:56,000 know what to do when you live in a country that supports killing children, 999 01:16:56,119 --> 01:17:00,720 you have a lot of pressure to do it. You know. It was 1000 01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:05,600 not a pro life book or TV show, but it was at least a 1001 01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:11,399 little more honest about these things than a lot of the propaganda in supportive abortion 1002 01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:17,640 is there's such a disconnect from the reality of that situation, at least for 1003 01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,920 how I view the world, then the politics of it. It's almost not 1004 01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:24,760 even like you're talking about the same thing. And you see it in cultural 1005 01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:28,640 depictions, but in real life how people treat pregnant women all the time, 1006 01:17:29,159 --> 01:17:34,199 and it doesn't connect. And I don't understand what some people are thinking who 1007 01:17:34,199 --> 01:17:39,279 go along with this. So anyway, all right, good discussion, Molly. 1008 01:17:39,359 --> 01:17:41,800 I will be back next week, and until then, please be lovers 1009 01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,720 of freedom and anxious for the fray