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You're listening to the Downbeat on ninety
seven one the Freak for me, I

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really like con What do you like
about Corn? It's cool as they didn't

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have to do I can't learn the
whole beautiful, it's cool. I can

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tell you all about it. I
mean you look at the swinging when I

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try to kind of say anything.
What about saying about Cols degrees the Conrad?

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Can you stow you anything? Corn
Kids was great? Let him go.

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When you love something, have you
anyone that's done? If you come

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to me, I can tell you
all about it, about the round by

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Conall and Raw and look as well. Look at this take along with the

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No Step Battle for you and Tosti
Good Degrees that all step out the don't

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say it's Colm, we lock it
off the juice. It's the cutest kid

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in the world. Is so adorable. I mean, look at this st

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corn Kidna. I'm putting corn Kid
on down Beat Request Live Top one hundred

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Famous person of the twenty first century. Who ever produced this needs a damn

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Grammy. That's brilliant, delicious.
Look at this thing. It's Colm,

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It's Coln Oh God lost all about
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cut. There, Maddie, We're
the downbeat. I'm Kevin. Hi,

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Kevin. Hello, that's Danny.
What's up. It's Mike. I'm May.

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We have Maddie in for jj J
on a mysterious trip, very us,

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mysterious trip. Maddie. I'm getting
a notification on my phone. The

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bagels are one minute away. But
you know whatever, Okay, So i'll

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let you know when. I'll let
you know when today. He's gonna give

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you a double thumbs up. Yeah, I'll give you two thumbs up.

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Ciskel and Ebert, one of each. So OJ died yesterday at the age

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of setenta. He says, sure, Yeah, that was right, thank

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you. Yes, there you go. Cancer cancer got him. I've cancer

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got pretty much everyone who defended him
in court. To hate cancer. I

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do too. Almost all the O. J. Simpson Dream team, though

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pretty much all have gotten cancer.
Jesus is kind of nuts. But I

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think it's said a lot of things, and what percentage members of this year's

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Cowboys team's got cancer? Probably a
lot. Cancer sucks. But I went

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through something and spent way too much
time yesterday doing something because we got to

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discuss it. But I was like, this is more of a cultural touchstone

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here, which probably spent a little
more time on it. But I've always

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associated Norm McDonald with OJ Simpson because
I just love SNL in that story.

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But you know, I was six
when the chase happened, and then I

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was six through ten when the trial
was happening, and that was in the

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news cycle just before impeachment talk.
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the news growing up in the late
nineties, and those are the big,

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biggest two stories probably of my first
ten years of life. So I pulled

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a lot of audio chronologically of saturd
Not Live, Weekend Update, jokes of

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Norman McDonald. But the reason I
wanted to do this is expound on this

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because I think the next segment we
can talk about what this meant to us,

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the court, TV, all of
that. I think that's kind of

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interesting. But what you need to
know as we begin this segment is that

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the West Coast president of NBC was
a guy named Don Olimier, and he

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was good friends with OJ. I
think OJ was doing some analysis too on

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NFL on NBC. Every once in
a while you have him in to you

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break down a game. I can
see that. So there are golf buddies

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for twenty seven years, and Olamier
never was in the camp of OJ did

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it. He was always like it
maintained his is his friend. I've been

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loyal to him for twenty seven years. Doesn't sound like something he would do,

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you know, but that is when
So they covered this on Saturday Night

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Live. They didn't have a lot
of interference until the trial ended. And

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OJ was basically an unconvicted murderer,
you know. That is when they had

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submissions. That's a nice way of
putting it in a convicted murderer. I

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think bagel time is now, Maddie, get the audio up. I'll play

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thatgels. So I'm just I just
have it's corn ringing in my head,

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so that I all I care about
corn. Norm m MacDonald came came on

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the scene in SNL in ninety four, and here is a season twenty episode

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three. Your your host was John
Travolta. Your musical guest was Seal.

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That tells you where we were in
life. But Normal is still kind of

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nervous new to the gig at this
point, as he'd replaced Kevin Nealon and

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we kend up doting sorry not live
According to retailer, is the most popular

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Halloween mass this year is O.
J. Simpson and the most popular Halloween

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greeting is I'll kill you and that
guy who's bringing over your glasses or treats.

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By the way, we can now
purchase a brin statue of the jokes

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for only three, three and ninety
five dollars, and for an even five

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grand you can buy one that Al
Collings has kissed the ass up. Okay,

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you see joke. Okay, dude, that first joke is brilliant or

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treat So that's the October October after
after the murder, chase, the murder

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after the chase. Yeah, so
I haven't gone to trial yet, and

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I want to be clear. Like
Don Olamier, the executive, NBC did

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not tell them not to make O. J. Simpson jocks. It's in

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the news. You guys do what
you do. He did not like Jim

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Downey, who was a writer at
SNL for a long time legendary producer,

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and basically fired him. Now Lorne
Michaels at SNL maneuvered it behind the scenes

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and said, well, look,
Jim, when you won't be with us

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writing sketches, but you go help
Norm do weekend Update essentially a weekend updates

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yours will pay you that table.
Yeah, and Olmeyer was fine with that,

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I think, but he did not
like Jim Downey. So there's a

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big war there. But then so
there's a thing where Lauren finageled that.

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Lauren also boss is Oldmeyer, so
he's got to play at both sides there.

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It's a middle management thing. You
know, he's sitting there taking it.

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But then Oldmeyer steps in and starts
critiquing weekend Update, specifically the O.

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J. Simpson jokes that were happening
weekly, and I went through them.

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There are one or two jokes about
OJ every effing episode, twenty episodes

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a year for the three and a
half years that Norm did it. Now

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I say three and a half because
he got fired midyear. He got fired

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at Christmas, right around when Chris
Parley died. I love him so much.

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Now I'm gonna do a couple more
jokes from Norm, right, and

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then we'll get to like when Norm
got fired, because that is incredible.

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This is episode six of season twenty. This would be November of ninety four,

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after the murder. This is or
after the chase. John Taturo and

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Tom Petty are your musical guest.
Judge Edo was interviewed this week by a

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local TV station in Los Angeles.
Asked by the interviewer if it was appropriate

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for a supposedly impartial judge to be
on TV with his case still pending,

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Itto said, maybe not, But
how appropriate isn't to kill your ex wife?

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Wow? This is episode ten here, guys, this is Jeff Daniels

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and Okay, Lucius Jackson band kind
of a female band. Yeah, oh

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lu what was it? Luscious Jackson? Think it is? Okay? I

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was like confused with that because I
was like, here's something I've never heard

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of. But this is January of
ninety five. Let's get to ojoj.

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Simpson's lawyers say they don't want the
families of Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman in

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the courtroom during the trial. They're
afraid the presence of the family members will

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just remind Ojy of how much more
killing he still has to do. Whoa,

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oh dude, wow, oh my
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up. That's kind of shocking.
Episode twelve is February ninety five. Bob

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Newhart is your host. Desray is
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It was revealed this week the defense
lawyer Johnny Cochran once abused his first

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wife. In his defense, Cochrane
said, hey, at least I didn't

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kill her like some people I know. In his book, O. J.

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Simpson says that he would have taken
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a train for Nicole. Man.
I'm gonna tell you that has some bad

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luck. When the one guy who
would have died for you kills you,

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that's probably that has some bad luck. He loved Norm so much. I

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did love the just consistent killing us. Yes I did, and it never

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stopped. And part of it,
like you know, he claims, Olmeier

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was like never really talked to him. Again. Omar was the West Coast

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president of NBC, but he still
had a lot to say. I don't

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know the East Coast president. And
even when he got fired, like Norm

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was not told straight up. And
we'll get to that in a minute episode

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fifteen Pole Risers, your host,
Annie Lennox, this is March ninety five.

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Was OJ Simpson high on speed the
night of the murders? Absolutely not,

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said defense attorney Johnny Cockran today,
And a simple test of any of

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OJ's blood found at the crime scene
will prove it and OJ pal Al Colling

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said this week that in looking for
the truth in the OJ Simpson case,

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he sometimes talks to a picture of
Nicole Brown Simpson, something that in the

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past would have gotten him killed by
OJ. I mean, it's just like

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I like going through this chronologically too, because there are storylines that I kind

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of knew about but don't remember that
one. Yeah, well he was drugs

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are throwing that out there vaguely even
remember that at all? He was sixteen,

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John Goodman musical guest Mike the Tragically
hip all Right Canadian at Canada's Own

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Right, Yeah. Aflee Vailey said
this week that if the defense only knew

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what Ron Goldman's last words were,
they might be able to find the real

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killer. You know, if you
asked me, and Goldman's last words were

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probably hey, you're OJ Simpson.
Oh. They don't even know to laughed.

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They're like, I don't know if
we should laugh with that or not.

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And then at Bob Saggett was your
host, and then TLC this is

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the last one of that of season
twenty. Here at Norma's first year old

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weekend update after grizzly photos of the
murder Nicole Brown Simpson were showing in court.

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OJ turned his head away and wept. It was at that moment that

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he realized he would never be able
to kill her again. Good lord,

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they hadn't grown. Oh my god, I mean, dude, you got

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a couple of booz You got a
couple of boos there, and then like

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god. So I don't remember this
specifically, but I remember like talking about

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whatever anniversary it was, and it
might have been in twenty nineteen, was

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the twenty five year or whatever.
I remember them talking about the trial and

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diving into that. Yeah, they
did show you know, the photos were

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there, and Court TV showed you
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So we get the summer off and
you return in September of ninety five.

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Okay, So now the trial's going
to be heating up. Muriel hemingways your

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host Blues Traveler as your musical guest. In a brilliant move during closing arguments,

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simpson attorney Johnny Cochrane put on the
nick cap. Prosecutors say OJ war

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the nightie, committed the murders,
although OJ may have heard his case when

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he suddenly blurted out. Hey,
easy with that. That's my lucky stabbing

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hat, my lucky stab in hand. Episode two, see you with that

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Chevy Chase and Lisa Lobe of Dallas. Hey, Well, that covers the

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main developments in the OJ Simpson case
this week and after So, first of

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all, I edited out he'd had
a joke that was kind of bad,

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okay, and this is when I
first started to go okay. He knows

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now that management does not like this. He is doubling and tripling down.

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So he's done a joke, and
then he does this. Well, that

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covers the main developments in the OJ
Simpson case this week, and after all,

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other important things are going on in
the world. Now more OJ Simpson.

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When Simpson trial juror Gina Rodborough returned
home this week, her little girls

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were delighted to have her back,
and no wonder she lets him get away

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with murder. Meanwhile, in Washington, Mayor Marion Barry praised the verdict as

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quote wise and just, and he
called upon people of all races to please

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get him some crack knew it boy, He always all ages, yea,

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all over Mary and Barry one that
whole fiasco was going down. One of

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his go tos. February nineteen he's
high on crack. I like to imagine

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February nineteen ninety six is probably an
odd time in our history. The Cowboys

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had just won Super Bowl thirty though, yep, their third and four years.

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Kevin Nil O'Donnell was paid to throw
the ball to Larry Brown directly into

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his hands multiple times hundreds of dollars. Tom Arnold and Tupac or your your

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solid well weird duo. OJ Simpson
claimed that he never ever beat, choked,

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or hit his ex wife with a
closed or open fist. Luckily for

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OJ, lawyers forgot to ask if
he had ever cut her head off,

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and he just stared at the camera
with that s eaton grin of his boy.

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I imagine March of ninety six is
a good time for Mike is El

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Macpherson is hosting Saturday Night Live musical
guest sting Lyle and Eric Menandez were found

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guilty of first degree murder. So
to review California law, it is killing

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your wife legal, killing your parents
illegal. Yesterday and Rivera Alive, Kato

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Kalen made the startling admission that he
now thinks O. J. Simpson is

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guilty, although authority suspect this may
just be part of an attempt by Kato

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to crash at Fred Goldman's place for
a while. Meanwhile, simpson dream team

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attorney Alan Dershowitz was back in the
news this week, and good lord,

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is he ugly. Take a look
at the guy. I mean, this

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is an ugly, ugly guy.
I know two ways about it. An

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ugly character. Yeah, my,
oh my season finale of his second year.

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This is May ninety six, Jim
carreyon Soundgarden. On an Electric episode.

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Arriving back in the US after his
week in London, O J.

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Simpson was asked by a reporter why
he hadn't spent Mother's Day with his children.

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Visibly annoyed, Simpson replied, idiot, I didn't spend Mother's Day with

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my kids because I killed their mother. I mean, you know where it's

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going. Yeah, Okay, this
is year three of him doing this.

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Now, this is Bill Pullman in
new edition. Okay, so the trial's

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over. Trial's over. He's been
found you know, this is kind of

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not guilty. So he's just the
salt. There's a wound, there's some

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salt, and he's got a large
bag of it, and he was cramming

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it. In the civil trial this
week, OJ and Fred Goldman got into

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an explosive shouting match. Mister Goldman
bellowed at OJ, don't give me that

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damn look, while OJ shouted back, I wasn't even looking at you.

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You're just mad because I killed your
son. It's just such a hard sentence

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to laugh at. I don't know
what that's about it. That's what's brilliant

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about it. Robert Downey Junior and
the woman Danny turned down Fiona apple O.

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J Simpson was in a different courtroom
this week, attempting to regain custody

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of his two children in order to
prove to the court how much he loves

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his kids. OJ pointed out,
quote, hey they're still alive, aren't

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they. God joke about the kids, and the audience was that's really funny.

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Sting and Veruka assault things back.
He was hosting the study. More

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bad news for OJ this week,
HarperCollins reached an agreement with the Brown family

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to publish his late wife's diary.
Especially troublesome to Simpson is this final entry,

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dear diary. I have to run
now because OJ is here to murder

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me. And also the guy who
returned my glasses. I think he might

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murder him too, jau stupid dude. And then Mike Myers hosted as He's

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Back with Aerosmith as your musical guest. Here we Go. Jay Simpson was

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awarded custody of his children mainly because
a court ordered psychological test showed that he

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is a loving father. It should
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test also showed that he was a
loving husband. Okay, So when we

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get back, not only will we
discuss how this changed TV? Yeah,

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I think people being infatuated with crime
and things like that. Also how Norm

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got fired, how that went down, and then his strategy on his end

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while still technically an employee at Saturday
Night Live, when he went on David

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Letterman to talk about it, okay
and talk about his bosses. That's next

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to ninety seven one f