And it hits me, Oh my gosh, this is that triangle. You
know, there's explanation for everything that occurred in the wrangdalsamparstident. It doesn't involve
aliens at all. It was completely silent. It comes right over our heads.
It's so classic Gli Sorcier. Really standing in the cleary, he turned
over to my father and held his hand, and he looked in his eyes
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Oh, I just I wanted to hear it. You are hugs. I
knew it, but I wanted to hear it. Can we have a digital
hug here? Yeah? Here we go. There you go, buddy.
Yeah, that was a good one. So we got to squeeze through the
news kind of fast this week. So what's going on? Let's do it.
So one of the stories we wrote about recently is from twenty thirteen,
but it's taken moof on that long to analyze it. No. Actually,
the move On Scientific Board puts out an annual report on the top cases and
they're backed up, so they just got the twenty thirteen top cases out and
one of the top cases includes a video, and everybody loves videos, so
I posted what was essentially their idea of the best UFO video from twenty thirteen.
It shows a bright light and a smaller light dropping out of it that's
blinking. The light kind of moves up and then moves out down and out
of sight quickly. And this was in Boise, Idaho, December twenty fourth,
twenty thirteen. It was about nine pm, and so the video is
interesting. It was taken by a couple who had bought at it while they're
driving, so they stopped, rushed home to get their camera and were able
to catch this orb coming out of it. They said they saw another similar
thing prior to this. But what's really interesting about this case is that there
were two other groups of people that saw the same thing that evening, and
they reported pretty much exactly the same thing, seeing this bright red light where
with this other light coming it down and dropping out of the bottom. The
second set of people were some people out driving around looking at Christmas lights who
saw it. And then the third set was a mother, a stay at
home mom who went outside to have a smoke and saw this and she called
her kids to come out and watch it with her. So pretty interesting it.
Finally it was investigated. He couldn't find any local airport or air national
guard or anything who could determine what it was. But a really interesting case.
What's more interesting is that at move On move On's Roger Marsh, who
posts signings on Openminds dot tv, posted a siting this week from Oregon and
this was on March fourth at about eight fifteen pm just this year, so
just the other day, and a very similar description this object that was hovering
there in a smaller object coming out of it. So pretty interesting that this
similar report came from this two thousand and similar to the twenty thirteen one.
Yes, and I know all these stories are linked in our show notes to
your website, but I do want to say that if someone goes to podcastufo
dot com right on the homepage or in our show notes, you will see
that video that you were talking about in Boise, Idaho, and that is
I always get a thrill out of seeing those UFOs when the thing drops out
of them, or more than one things side of them. I mean,
that's makes it even more unexplainable. But in a way, it's almost like
a drone type of situation. I mean it kind of makes some type of
sense, well that a drone would have something dropping out of it and kind
of coming back up and dropping down again. No, meaning it's like a
drone dropping out of the well. Yeah, yeah, So it's really weird.
Definitely a weird case. And these days video isn't enough. You need
that good witness testimony, and especially to have multiple witnesses is a great thing.
So really interesting case, right, and so what else is going on?
A couple other videos. There's a lot of people who have seen this
Argentina TV station with a UFO in the background. Oh yeah, and there's
that's created a lot of buzz. However, unfortunately it turned out to be
a hoax. So they hoax that, uh, well, you just replaced
the video in the background, they added. So Lee Spiegel wrote about it,
and the TV station got a hold of Lease Biegel and said, here's
the real video from our newscast, and he provided them with the video of
that segment of the newscast. And you don't see a UFO in the background.
So somebody, yeah, CGI that UFO in the background unfortunately, so
it's really good too. Yeah, it looks really good. It was a
really interesting one, but that turned out to be a hoax. Another one
that is a suspected hoax, but nobody's quite sure yet, is one that
is out of California in the Silicon Valley. This is a video that was
taken on March fifth, so it's also recent. And this was taken with
a drone. So this drone is flying around. It has a four K
camera on it and it caught something whipping by. The drone was about at
two hundred and sixty five feet and it's a really kind of interesting video.
It's a kind of a shocking video. It is now has anyone explored don't
yell at me when I say this, but has anyone thought about an insect?
I saw? I did watch the video. Of course, people have
thought an insect, you know, I mean, like flying real fast.
I won't yell at you. I'll just be condescending. Okay, that's good.
I'm used to that. No, But yeah, there's a lot of
people. There's a guy in one of the California movein guys thinks it might
be CGI because he thinks that he sees it disappear here and there. However,
others feel that it could be well, a lot of people feel it's
a genuine UFO. Some people think a bird, some people think a bug.
A lot of the move On guys, including the Star team, I
head and Mark d' antonio, the photo analyst, feel that it's probably a
bug. And I think that it might be a bug. I think when
people look at it, it looks so white. It's white, and it
looks kind of stunning, so they think, oh, it's definitely not a
bug. But I think as bug zooming by the camera that's you know,
illuminated, could look like this, So it could be a bug. And
I'm kind of leaning that way myself. Yeah, And it's awful hard.
Even though it was a four K camera, it's awful hard to do a
frame by frame on that. I tried to do that frame by frame on
YouTube and it's not easy. No, even though it's four K high resolution,
is seeing so small moving so fast In our story, Jason, who
wrote it, put a still so you could see and even at four K
it's difficult to make anything out right. So well, I know you did
a great job blazing through the news this week, and so we just want
to make sure we get a pretty good hour in with Tom. And thanks
so much. I really appreciate it. Sure, and we can chat more
and have more fun next week possibly, all right, hopefully, hopefully,
Yeah, all right, so thanks so much, and everyone, if you
hang in there, we'll be right back with Tom Reid right after this quick
music break. Well, that tune was by Bruce Rainier. And how you
doing, Tom Reid? Very good, and I appreciate you having me on
It's It was a pleasure and it was a pleasure to meet you out in
Phoenix. Unfortunately you didn't get to record for a live show, but here
you are. Yeah, that was a that was a tough couple of days.
My plane was grounded for two days. I got in, did my
power PowerPoint of two hours sleep and I had to get some rest and by
the time I was up and moving around, you were gone. So well,
I'll tell you no one had any idea that you had two hours sleep.
I'll tell you that you did a great presentation. Oh did you watch
it? Yeah? I watched most of it. Oh yeah, I mean
it was a pretty big crowd. Yeah, it was packed. Yeah,
amazing amazing. So, and I wanted to congratulate you because I guess it
happened while you and I were communicating back and forth before the Phoenix conference that
you were your story was inducted into the Great Barrington Historical Society. And so
how do you feel about that? That's pretty amazing. Yeah, they actually
had been talking about it for quite some time, being that our case.
I'll tell you how it led up to it. Our case was a CE
classification in September of nineteen sixty nine in Great Barrington. It was actually reported
by several at I say several, It was like nine people I think that
gave testimony from South Egremont, some from the jugg And Resort. They were
an awful lot in Sheffield that saw the craft and our local bistro village on
the Green, which by the way is still there today. It became like
a gathering spot for people to talk about it because it was really the only
restaurant, you know, big restaurant in Sheffield, so a lot of people
in the town, constables, you know, people across the street and the
gas stations would come in. Everybody would talk about it. So it was
never something that was like whispered. I mean it was very well known back
then, and then it went out on USBs radio, whose letter has been
hanging in Roswell for quite some time, and that's still under the same call
letters as as well. And South Agamont Country Club is still South Agermont Country
Club, so our house is still there. And at one point the town
had a time capsule. They buried all the people's names in town. So
they took, you know, everybody's that lived, their age and everything,
and they put together this time capsule and they buried it. So you have
WSBS radio was still there under the same call letters. Who announced our case
or announced the craft, I should say back in September nineteen sixty nine.
It was given a Heine classification back then during the year as a Project blue
Book. That doesn't mean it is Project blue Book, but it was given
a Heien classification during those last three months. And then our restaurant is still
there and our house is still there. So I think with all the witnesses
and the polygraph tests and the people talking about it still today, I was
something that they were contemplating for quite some time, and last I knew it
really wasn't supposed to happen until Labor Day, the weekend this September, which
would be the anniversary of it. But some kids and I guess at the
Simon's Rock Early College, and I guess it was the Daniel Art Center.
Someone from Daniel Art Center was actually interested in it. So the townly got
behind it, and so there was a vote, you know, to be
late till September or inducted, and they went through on February sixth, and
I couldn't be happier, I mean to me, it says a lot for
a lot of reasons. And and one of those reasons, and a lot
of people don't know this either, is that I was nearly killed in December
of two thousand and five, and my father actually came out to Florida to
be by my side and took some time off. He was a principal at
the time. He had gotten out of politics and stepped down as an attorney,
and we had always talked about doing this book and writing about the things
that he had gotten back from Robert Bletchman and friends and that sort of thing
that were filtered to him after this United Nations thing back in nineteen ninety two.
He had a lot of documents back then papers who knows what he had,
I mean, but he had an awful lot. He had a lot
from sign and you know Blue Book and all the other ones, and letters
from the Greece Ministry, defense the Pentagon, you know a lot of stuff
that probably you don't see a lot. Whether it was really a powerful documentation,
I couldn't tell you. But I have a lot of it. But
I don't know what I'm reading, to be honest with you. So anyway,
so when he came down to Florida to see he brought some of the
stuff with him and had entertained the thought of, well, listen, when
you get back on your feet, we really need to do this book.
Because I think at one point when he said, when the time is right,
Tom, you know, we'll put this book together. And now that
I almost died, maybe he thought, well, this would be either conversation
or that he really meant it, or what have you. So after I
got back on my feet, I really pushed him to write this book with
me. You know, hey, you came down, let's do it.
I'm going to be laid up for a while. I'm running around on crutches,
you know, I've got plenty of time. What do you say I
started, you edited that kind of thing. And so it was October and
he went to school. His head hit the desk. He was rushed to
Yelltenhaven Hospital and he had a nasty fungus going through his blood. The mayor
of Bridgeport called in the CDC. They came in from Atlanta. They shut
down his building immediately, and my father died that day. Oh, my
god, died on the same day that our case got mentioned. Wasn't a
front runner? Just got some slight mention at the United Nations through our retained
lawyer. We retained Robert Wetchman legally and he mentioned our case at the UN
and support of thirty three four to twenty six. Fourteen years later, after
talking the book, my father dies on that same day. Wow. And
so that to me is why and why my mother, brother and we all
have decided to step out and talk about this more because until then, you
know, we feel that just we just got to would have gotten lost in
the shuffle. But now that we have a real heartfelt purpose for it,
and with this induction into the historical society, as far as I'm concerned,
you know, this pays tribute to my late father. I mean, this
is for him, and and so for that, I'm honored and I'm very
grateful because I think that we were able to show that this powerful individual who
has a proclamation in his honor a bench in the City Green, that was
a respected attorney when he would talk about the UFO topic. You hope some
people would take that that having the case now inducted, I think really speaks
loudly and adds credibility to what he was trying to do and what he was
saying. Wow, I do want to talk about that about your father and
about the rest of your family in this case, your brother and all.
But we have a message board and there is a there is a question posted
up there. Sure, and at the UFO congress. This was someone that
was there who I actually met. He's a listener of the show. You
mentioned that nine of your family members are H negative in your own words.
For those not familiar with RH negative and the UFO abductions, what is the
significance of this, Well, I can tell you that's like almost a twofold
question. In my opinion, I believe that man was originally RH negative.
I say that because anybody, our age positive has a link to the monkey.
There's a connection to to you know, to entasis monkey, whereas RH
negative there is no link to anything else. There is no beginning and you
can't link at anything. And it's a cleaner cell, the cleaner, cleaner.
ARCH negative is much cleaner than urge positive because it lacks certain coppers and
sugars and that sort of thing. Now, Secondly, Time Life did a
test on those who are urge negative and found that the common denominator was when
testing for remote viewing the RH negative, those with urge negative blood groups tend
to test higher than those bread rage positive. Now, there's more to it.
OH negative blood types, which is urge negative own negative, was the
only blood type that was really tracked by the US government back in the sixties
because it was the universal donor during the years of nom Anybody can receive OH
negative blood anybody, but someone with RH negative or own negative blood can only
receive OH negative blood because it's it's in some respects I'm not sure if that
the word pure is really the word for it. But there is apps nothing
on it, on the cell itself that your body will reject. Now,
if you're RH negative and you are having an RH positive child, an RH
negative mother will actually her body will go in to a state where it'll attempt
to abort that baby because it sees it as a foreign object. Right,
So when you look at that, it's almost I don't want to go too
four. I don't a limb here, but it's almost like we're a different
type of human being. When your body wants to reject another human that should
be human. But the other thing too. You know, RH negative.
My body temperature doesn't run at ninety eight point seven. My body temperature runs
at ninety seven point one and ninety eight point seven. I've got a point
and a half temperature, so I run at a different temperature. Own negative
have tested to be more intuitive or with regard to testing, my blood pressure
runs lower, blood temperature runs lower. You have a child, if it's
large positive, it's looked at as a foreign substance. So maybe there's more
here. But I believe that that OH negative or ARGE negative blood groups were
the original blood of man. I believe that I could be wrong, but
that's what I believe. Have you ever looked into any of the scientific facts
about that. No, I haven't spent a lot of time with it.
I'm pretty occupied with other things, but I'm starting to look into it more
and more. We have another question up there, and that is your brother
Matt had physical trace marks on his chest. Did you have any physical trace
marks on yourself. I just had this scoop mark thing my right arm that
so many people have alluded to the fact that that's a typical scoop markets.
It's pretty big. It's larger than a pencil eraser, a pencil racer.
It's it's quite deep, and I've had it since I was about six or
seven years old, and it's almost perfectly round and never tans. I've never
seen a scar. I just remember having it since I was a child.
Yeah, it seems like the scoop mark. I remember you talking about that.
Let's see, did Matt shave his chest for the photo or did the
aliens? And that is a goofy question, says he. Now, when
he had went in for I haven't looked at by doctor Mozello, they shaved
it and it looked like his little wounds looked like sugar cones, like little
you know, they were flanged out on top and kind of they were actually
fairly big when you really think of it for what they were. They weren't
just like a needle puncture. I mean, I think there were three centimeters
if I'm not mistaken. I've got the doctor's report here somewhere. But they
were fairly large, and they looked like miniature sugar cones with a little bit
of a flange on the outside, and it was very strange. There was
talk from the doctor that if you were trying to reach the thymous gland,
that would have been the spot where you would have inserted a needle. And
then it was well, why would you want to go to the thymois gland,
Well, there is a sack off to the side of it, which
is where your body produces the T cells for your immune system. Now,
most people will or doctors will attest and make you ware that by the time
you're an adult, most of those cells are dried up, those tea cells.
But if you wanted to extract something about that that, you know,
something that would build your immune system, you could still get whatever you wanted
from that. Whether at the T cells will still be in manufacturer or not,
it's still there. So there was a that became a topic for a
while. But you know, who knows. But it wasn't a peculiar spot
in the in the direct location would have been that sack that produces the t
cells. You know, I think I'm being a little bit rude to the
listener that may not know about your case. So if you would, kind
of in a nutshell, can we talk about your early childhood, how this
whole thing started, and where it progressed and progressing. Yeah. Sure.
We had an eighty acre horse farm in Sheffield, Massachusetts, which was pretty
rural. It was out in the Tri state area, an edged kind of
nestled if you will, between New York, Connecticut and the little corner of
Massachusetts, not far from where Norman Rockwell's brush us touched the canvas the birch.
Yeah, you know music in Tanglewood, you know that kind of thing.
And we, like I said, we had a large spread of land
and our house was pretty much on the top part of it. Now,
a lot of people don't realize this, and I mentioned it at the Congress
that Sheffield is one of the highest locations for a seventeen hundred mile stretch of
road. It's almost three thousand feet high. Beckets three thousand feet high,
and our house basically sat, if you look at the pictures, pretty much
up on top of that. And so it's been speculated that because we had
the highest or one of the highest elevations that you know, there could have
you know, there could have been some testing and that sort of thing up
there. When we look at you know, Pratt and Whitney was only fifty
five miles away. Command Aerospace was forty miles away. This is by road.
Ge was only nineteen miles away. You had the grotten naval base making
nuclear submarines that weren't far away, and so you had a lot of military
around the mountain. That's not even talking about Albany and everything Cheches, Massachusetts
and Connecticut. And so here we are with the highest elevation with a house
on top of it, and on top of that hill if you went down
there were the valleys, and so you know, maybe that is part of
maybe that took or plight of role in what happened with us. It's really
hard to say, but we had seen a craft in nineteen sixty six and
it was on our property, the back side of the property, not too
far from the house, maybe four hundred yards from the house, and maybe
a little more than that just passed a tree line. In sixty seven,
we saw it a second time, and that was when my mother got involved
with alien mysteries, did a pretty good job. And that one my mother
comes running out and grabbed us out of the oide of the road, and
we were pail and we weren't really speaking to each other. We were really
kind of out of it. And I remember I remember staring at my brother,
and I remember my mother coming out and grabbing him. But as far
as my my my demeanor, I guess if you were looking in from the
outside, I looked to be just placid and out of it and very unresponsive.
Yet I remember things pretty clearly, just as my brother did. He
wasn't really responding, but we, for some reason, seemed to be in
this state where we were. Our bodies seemed to be manipulated or or just
like a dead you know, look to ourselves and not really moving yet our
insides, our brain and our eyes and thoughts were moving, you know,
we were thinking we were able to respond if in a way, but our
bodies wouldn't. You know. It was almost like we were combined to a
shell or a mannequin, but we were alive in it. It was really
weird. And so my mother grabbed my son. My younger brother, Matthew
grabbed me, and so she grabbed her sons, brought her ran ascender house,
sat us up the dining room table and gave us aspurn and orange juice,
and we slept in the living room next to a fireplace. We stepp
slept on the sofas. Our mother stayed with us that night. And what
we remember from that night was, you know, we remember, you know,
seeing this craft that really looked more like a tarnished or dirty turtle shell,
and it was laying on the ground. I didn't see any gear,
didn't see any windows. We you know, we looked, but it was
huge. It was about fifteen eighteen feet high and it was probably forty or
sixty feet around, and it had a lip around it, almost like a
tire lip, not made a rubber, but I mean it had a lip
around it that we reference as you know, almost like if you ever had
a ten speed bike, you know, you had those thin rubber lips for
the tires, almost something like that, A big lip like that that wrapped
around the of it in the back and like circled it, and it wasn't
at the bottom part. The bottom part kind of taped it back in,
but there was this big round lipt that went around it, and it almost
looked like it had sections too, or lines in it. I'm not going
to say it was panels, but there was some lines through it. And
it wasn't silver. It was more like a bronze with a almost a maybe
like a cad like a pewter, maybe kind of a weather a little bit
of a silvery or yeah, like a like a burned pewter, like a
like a bronze pewter that blended into it wasn't an even color. And I
asked myself, was it the light? You know, was it the sunlight?
Was it making reflecting differently? But it did not. It did not
resonnate the same color. It seemed to have different tints in it. I
guess if it took a blow towards to it, you know, sometimes you
got that orange bronze looked and then here it's a little lighters. That's the
way it looked. It looked very weather to me, and it was big,
and we remember the inside of it. I remember an inside that was
probably about the size of a master bedroom, a hall like a square squared
off area. I was esquoted out this room I was taking going right out
the front. I took a right down his hallway that wrapped around like a
question mark. I had passed my brother, who was standing there very placid
again yet he remembers seeing me clearly, but to me, he looked like
he was almost asleep standing up, and I was taking around him, and
he had a figure next to him too. Every time we had somebody next
to us or that was with us during this time, they were always on
our left side, and it was almost like we got es quoted and there
were zones. So I was taken up this winding area that wrapped to the
right and came back around. And when I got to the front of it,
this individual that was with me left, and this new person or at
entpea, what have you, was now responsible for me. That's the way
it appeared. And then I was taken into this darker room. Well,
I saw what was very dark and a screen that had come up that went
wrapped from three o'clock to nine o'clock, and this was just a beautiful shot
of a lake and a willow tree and it was moving and it was beautiful
and champing, and it was just totally took my mind off my brother,
and it just I'll never forget it. I mean, the willow tree was
moving and wind was coming. Oops. Hello, yeah, I thought you
were recording. I wasn't gonna say anything. That's okay, I am recording
and Tammy there, Yeah, what happened. Uh, we're back. We're
actually we're actually gonna go live. So just hold that thought and I'm recording
all this, so the podcast is going to hear all this what we're going
through. So Keith, anytime you want to fire us into the live,
we're ready to go. Should I keep talking? Yeah? Sure? Is
that okay, Keith? Yeah, hold on here. Power's back. Yeah,
So if you want to just hold that thought for a minute, we'll
just once we know power is on, I'm just going to say something to
the live listening real quickly, Okay, Okay, you can go live anytime.
All right, let's go now. All right, So if you're listening
live, we're just right back or where the power was out at the Dark
Matter Radio Network. So the power is back on and we were right in
the middle of a conversation, Tom, do you remember where you left off?
Yeah, I think so. I'm going to back up a little bit,
just in the case because went down for a few minutes. Anyway,
I was talking about inside what this craft was that was near a property that
was in nineteen sixty seven, and it's one of the it's the second to
the second of three that were seen in our property that made so much local
noise. And and like I said, I remember this hallway that wrapped almost
like a question mark, and I and I and it really did it kind
of where the I guess the circle would be at the bottom of the question
mark was really a square room or a squared off room, and not perfectly
square, but softly rounded square area. And I was taken out that into
the what be the bottom of the question mark And when I wrapped to the
right and wrapped around in it to me and when I you know, it
really did resemble a question mark. And I passed my brother and got to
the front of this area and I was released for lack of a better word,
and at that point ended off to someone else which I believe was not
responsible for me, and shown this room that was much darker and had a
couple of tables in it. There was a screen, like I said,
it lit up with a big image of a tree, a willow tree off
to the left, and a big bay of water. And to give you
an idea, maybe had a black and white television back then, this is
nineteen sixty seven. This visual would be like taking maybe twenty sixty inch plasma
TVs, stacking them all on top of each other and having it be one
screen that vivid, that big, that crisp. It was just absolutely amazing.
And I was just staring at this thing. I didn't know if I
was looking out some strange window. If I was looking I had no idea
what to make of it. But it was night out and this thing was
just like I was looking over a beautiful lake it with this moving willow tree
in sunlight, and my brother was with me, and I kind of took
my mind off that obviously, And and then and there wasn't much more than
that. There were a couple of individuals working on some lower tables that were
bronze or brown, they were not sober or chrome, and and some Martins
on top, and the FA members correctly, and and then to the left
to me looked like it had let's say, almost like a second tear or
some type of the second story area there is like glass of some sort off
to the left, almost like brick glass, you know, those square glass
pieces. And and then I was I was brought back to the driveway where
my mother came running out of the house and scooped us up and brought us
into the house and cared for us, the blankets and everything else. And
no was there missing time according to what youth? And another thing, how
old were you when this happened? Seven? So what did you make of
it? I mean, how could you possibly wrap your brain about what?
You just wrap your brain around what you just experire you? Okay, yeah,
just yeah, I get a hold of a sore throat. So yeah,
don't don't die of me, because we don't want anything dying on this
show. We don't want anyone dying on a live show. Yeah, So
I can't edit that out. So you're seven years old, you have this
beyond amazing thing happened. So your mother scooped you up in the driveway.
Did she call the police or what happened at that point? Well, when
we were gone, she had actually saddled up her horses and ran all over
the property for turned on the bloodlights, and my grandmother came out into the
screen porch. We didn't have neighbors, so this was a dirt road out
of the middle of nowhere. And like I said, we had eighty acres,
just to give you an idea, and our closest neighbor, you know,
it was probably half a quarter of a mile. So, uh,
she found us. I mean, she was on her horse and she was
up towards the top of the property. We had hay bailer. We weren't
allowed to go past the hay bailer things. So you know, she had
seen the flashes of light. You know, she had known something was going
on, and she wasn't kind of a novice to it. She thing something
was happening, and so she just went up high on the hill and decided
to look down what would make sense. And then she saw us all of
a sudden, staring at my brother and I staring at each other. He
was lower than me and a lower part of the driveway, and I was
on a little bit of a hill up near the stable, and my grandmother
was on the screen porch. And then all the sudden she yells, and
my mother hears her and then runs down on the horse and jumps off and
scoops up my little brother and scoops something me rushes us in the house,
you know, like I said, put fend of and fit us at the
table, gives us a baby asspri and juice, and we sleep in the
living room. Now that you call anybody, no, not that night,
I don't think she did. She might have called a friend or two,
but not nothing to report. But when we went back to school and she
opened up the restaurant, and more times than not, I actually rode with
my mother to the village on the green restaurant and I would open it with
her and we would, you know, have breakfast, and all the other
kids in town, and you know that were you know that our restaurant was
walking distance from the school. So if your parents were driving to work,
they dropped the kids off at the restaurant. My mother would make him breakfast.
You know. At the end of the week, they'd square the bill
away and all the kids would run across the street to the school. So
and when I say go across the street to the school, I mean it
was like walking basically just across a four lane road and you were at the
school, so at a crossing guard. So after school everyone hung out there.
Well, it became the hub and a lot of people were talking.
But at this point not the whole town had seen anything, so it was
more like a private conversation with those who came in. You know, hey't
Nancy, what's going on, you know, because they could tell something was
wrong. And so that went on for quite a while. I mean,
it's faithful for almost the year. It became something that was like whispered,
you know, on the lips of my mother, and not at the school,
but and the restaurant. And it wasn' until nineteen sixty nine, which
really changed everything. That was the account that went out on WSBS radio whose
letters in Roswell and September of nineteen sixty nine, and I was witnessed by
those from Jugum Resort and a lot of people in the area, and they
saw the craft performing acrobatical movements unknown to conventional aircraft, hovering about five hundred
feet over our farm. Now it didn't used to be the Red farm.
It used to be in the Burrows farm. And my mother got married afterwards,
so it was the Burrow's farm, but it was our farm and because
of the high neet classification in WSBS radio being there and our restaurant still being
there in a historical society, getting a lot of calls about this because it's
still talked about today as how it got inducted into the historical society. But
as far as what we saw that night, I was leaving butter in a
Basin ski resort. I was riding at a four h show and my saddle
had come loose, and so we left early, and so I didn't do
so well. I got a brown ribbon and they took me to the Meadows
restaurant to eat. And then after that we had decided to and my mother
decided to go down to Village on the Green to make the night deposit rop
because a crooke had been locking up because it was Labor Day weekend. My
grandmother, who no money normally would have on it, was with us while
I was in competition, so she wanted to make the night deposit drop,
made sure the chairs were all up, places locked up, went to the
bank, made the deposit and now we're heading back towards Great Barrington and a
short cut to get to the home would have been over to the Sheffield Bridge,
and so that's what she did. My mother took a short cut over
the Sheffield Bridge, which is basically very swampy, you know, wheel tree
type of scenario, you know, very marshy and a lot of open land.
And my grandmother turned around as I was sitting in the back seat and
I was going to give my brother a fireball, and she had turned basically
to tell me that he could choke on it. He was too young.
But that was only not he was I'm nine and he was like seven,
and she just didn't think it was a good idea. And sure enough,
she sees the lights out the back side of the car on the left side,
kind of off where I was sitting in the back seat. And then
my mother says that the car had come off the right side of the road
in a stall. She really doesn't know if she panicked and flooded it or
I don't know. All she knows that it came off to the right.
Here the stones tapping underneath the gas tank and the thunder walls, and it
was like driving over you know, egg shells. It was that kind of
a calm, that kind of a dead and it just went completely silent.
It was like it's almost like was surreal. And then we had this tingling
feeling, and which later on we've associated with ELF. But it was just
a very strange feeling. Your body picked up on it. It was not
something that you were accustomed to. And then banged. It was a eruption
of crickets and kadiods and everything just changed. It was like being in the
middle of a hurricane. Came you could feel a barometric change in pressure and
boom, We're no longer in a car and we were separated. And wherever
this was, I was in what looked like a like almost like an airplane
hanger the other way I can describe it. It was that kind of big
and open, and there were carts next to me. There were two silver
carts. I don't know if they had wheels or not, but there were
two craub looking carts that were maybe four feet high, and aside from that,
I believe it was empty. And then there was a light that I
began to stay ahead of me, and I don't know if the door open,
left it open right or however it did, but a light came in
and there was a person or what resemble a boil person standing there, and
for the first time, I was actually very scared. I was very nervous.
This wasn't something there where I was engulfed or engaged and having my mind
manipulated through ELF or stimulating neurons in my head or whatever was happening. I
didn't have this calm about me. And I walked, believe it or not,
I don't know why, but I walked towards this person and I was
grabbed really hard on my left arm, I mean hard like it hurt.
And taking out this hallway off to the right, and I went down another
hallway which keeyed off to the left. These were not windy hauls, not
this part of it. These were very left and right. And I would
say maybe this first hallway that I went down maybe oh maybe twenty feet,
and then I took a left and maybe another twenty feet and I was taken
into a room to the right. Now, this room that I was taken
into was very odd by, very weird, shaped, very strangely. It
had an inner the center of a boat in like it would if you had
a coffee can, and there was a pocket the left between where this boat
out area would come back to the wall, and then on the wall there
was a pocket there, maybe like an eight or ten foot stand in between
where that rounded area connected in the wall connected to the back wall, and
it was the same on the other side. There was something an apparatus in
the ceiling, and there was a table towards pretty much underneath it, and
aside from it, wasn't much in there. But I remember I sat there
for a bit, very aware of what was happening, very sharp at this
point, very nervous, very scared, and there was what looked like a
large ant that's where we describe it, and it had turned moved got my
attention. I was very frightened by that, and I took off off to
the right side of this boat in canden area, on the opposite side of
where they were, I had run into a hallway. Now this hallway was
absolutely massive. When I say big, it was the center that I came
in was like a big circle, which is why the room that I ran
out of had an inward boat and so I would assume any any room off
that rounded area would have a boat an area in it. Now there were
was like set up like a y off to the right. There was right
to my right shoulder. At this point out in this hallway, you're looking
at a tube or a walkway of some maybe distance of four cars car like
a four lane highway. And then just opposite that on the top, the
other part of the top of the why if you will, was set up
very much the same. Now, the bottom wise part was probably twice that
So to me it looked like traffic coming in from the top of these wys
would filter down to the larger tube, and the rounded out area was meant
to accommodate traffic. That's what I get from that. So whatever wherever this
was going, who knows if it was a good spot or a bad spot,
but that's the way it looked to me. And I was there for
several seconds, and then I was taken I was brought back in. I
sat on this table and this apparatus came over me that looked like the top
of maybe a tanning bed or an mr machine. Had holes in the side
of it. It was made by two different parts. It looked like the
two parts separated, and I laid down. It covered me to some degree.
I could still see under it. It was not tight on me.
And there were oval holes on it, oval holes all the way through this
apparatus, and it stopped just before my chin. And there were what looked
like raisin packets, large raisin packets with a heath of ees it and these
were actually placed on my body, on my leg, my stomach, and
on my face. Did that help? Were you fully clothed at the time
or not? Now it's pretty embarrassing. But now no, you don't have
to. You don't have to. That's okay. Uh, yeah, Well
I do have some questions here for you. So it sounds to me this
experience you had a total recall, Like a lot of times you hear about,
you know, regression in you know, hypnotherapy to get to get the
story. Uh, did you have total recall of this whole situation all along?
Well, yeah, I wouldn't say I have total recall. I'm longed
to bet I remember about twenty percent of it. M I mean I don't
remember a lot, you know, I remember segments, you know, fragmented
moments now that I that I had. Well, this is why what I
and I say to myself. First of all, there are four of us
on that on that craft, that's what we were. We all have talked
about this our whole lives. We all go back and forth. We were
not not really made to made or to forget it, I think because we
were so young, and this has been something that's been told us by others
in the field that we were. We were young kids, and if there
was something that they wanted to extract or something that they wanted to exchange or
or mutually exchanged. You don't want to drug somebody up and then extract something
from them because you're extracting what you're using to pollute or or alter the body
before you extract it. So being a reear own negative and being that my
son is so advanced today, which is proven by school records and everything else,
it's let me telling you that we think something was eavenly exchanged. Now,
if there was something in these packets that were exorbed in our skin,
and there was something that was extracted from us at the same time, you
wouldn't want to be drugged up you put you know that would have happened first,
and then they would have put the packets on you for your body to
exhorb something. And then at the end of the day you know, it
puts you out. One of the packets puts you out. One of the
package is something else, what have you? And then you know your your
little moment of testing or whatever is completed, and you brought back into this
world. March I was standing in and then we're back in the car.
Now. My mother was completely unconscious. My brother was out like a life.
My grandmother was the one who first was awake, wide awake, and
I found her walking in the middle of the road. Now she had turned
the car around and shot right back into town where a store was where they
made the knife drop. Because one of the stores was open, the Silks
restaurant on convenience store, and some money sold candy and ice clan, and
so when she went back there to get them, that's when I realized how
much time had passed, because they were getting ready to close. And so
she speaks to the owner of the restaurant upstart the convenience store, and she
gets wrapped up in bikes and strollers and these other things in there, and
she's trying to find her way out, and she's not really thinking clearly.
I walk in after her, and I'm trying to you know, Nana and
Nana, you are trying to get her attention because everyone else in the car
is out. And she finally takes my hand and walk out of the store
over there, and she starts breaking down a little bit, starts to shave
and cry a little bit. It was a bad day for her, and
she gets cups over to the car. My mother now is up and she
gets into the driver's seat. My grandmother gets back in the passage seat.
For some reason, they were reversed. My grandmother was in the driver's seat.
My mom had been driving earlier, so they were reversed. And my
brother starts to come to and like, I say, come too. That's
what it was like. It was like we were put out. It was
like we were under anesthesia or some type. Which is why my father said,
you know, he thinks that would happen in sixty nine. Was a
little closer to home than we realized that there was a joint effort there,
because this was a big place that we were in certainly wouldn't fit in scale
of what we saw as the craft, and you know, the two years
earlier, so we don't really know where we were. To be honest with
you, I was still trying to figure that out one out, but it
was a big facility and we drove home not a word. My mother switches
our room, she changed the rooms, gives us the front room, the
master bedroom actually closes off the back room, puts the house up for sale,
and we're out of there, and we moved to Great Barrington. And
then after my father marries my mother and graduates law school, he gets an
offer in the Cane area and accepts it and even a lawyer, and now
he's an office for two terms. He's back by Senator Chriss. Dad.
He make an all kinds of political you know friends. And I've had coffee
at Governor Viker's house or the Governor's mansion, i should say. And then
my father starts running into Robert Bletchman, who used to work with Jail and
Heinich, And after a couple of drinks, we start talking and I start
meeting him on Fridays at his office. He takes an interest in our case.
He finds the Heine classification that it was given in nineteen sixty nine.
He tells us he's got something big coming up, which happens to be the
United Nations opposing you know, in a couple of years. This is probably
eighty nine to ninety, you know, eighteen months down the road. You
know, would really like to just your case. Is your father still in
politics? Yes he is. You know, I don't think I appreciate that,
and sow my father and him being being friends, and the fact that
we decided if we illegally retained him, you know, we would have some
control over it. And so I did. I did Robert at check for
fifteen hundred dollars, and he mentioned our case at the United Nations and supported
thirty three four twenty six, and he did so very pathfully. And it
was really only this only piece of this that he really found of interest,
and because he was still talking about the cash landman in the Hudsons of a
Valley case, that the feeling that we had about the environment, you know,
how it would just seem to change, and how the barometric pressure seemed
to change, and how life would go kind of still and quiet and become
like a dead calm, and then your body would pick up on this field
or energy and this lighterness and almost a you know, a gravity, and
it was very very strange. It was a vibe doesn't really do a justice.
If you took three moons, like you've got a full moon out,
you have more you know, full moon you want to go out and party
and stay out later, have that extra drink and be okay. If you
had three full moons, you know, you have an energy about you.
It's not anxiety. There's just something that your body is in the water.
So you almost feel different, you know, almost enlightened. And that is
kind of like what it was. There's no way you're going to sleep and
and then bang it changes and you're like placid and oh there's eruption of cricket.
That's what it was like. Wow, we only have a couple of
minutes. And what I'm going to do, if it's all right with you,
Tom, is I'm not sure how this live stream is going to work,
and so I'd like to hold you on in case it doesn't work.
I know it's kind of a second fiddle thing. I hope you don't take
it that way, But anyway, is that all right with you? What
do you want me to just hang on? Yeah, but we're not ready
to go just yet. Because if this is the end, I want you
to answer one of the chat room questions and what did the beings look like?
Well, there were two there there were what looked very human to me.
They had it almost looked like, you know, skin tight white clothing
off white clothing and uh, you know, I don't like the I don't
want to use the long terminology. But they looked almost like smaller Asian you
know, people with the scent with eyeglasses, large eye, you know,
type of eye lens is no hair, and they had a weak chin.
But everything else pretty human to me. But but then there were yeah,
not the grays people talk about. I didn't see that. But but the
insect thing that I've actually drawn and I found my website that looked like a
like an ant, a big ant stand in fact, the it had a
gray long, grayish mushroom shaped or colored a skin tonnel to it from the
neck down. It had limbs that kind of stemmed the arms if it was
the arms and the legs kind of stemmed from the same lower part of the
body. They're very stick like and they end in my sketch. The lines
in it are more like a gray, but they were more like a wine
color, you know, like a red wine color wings on it, and
the head was more like a bronze gold and it seemed very smooth. It
didn't seem like the eye popped out of it. It almost looked like it
was a smooth, spheared head but the size of a football. And of
course alien mysteries gave it you know, buck teeth and everything, but I
didn't see any that. It just looked like a goldish it's fall yeah,
stupid, but like it wasn't odd enough like a football shape. That was
smooth. Eyes well just like an ant you know you can pry or like
like that of a snake's eye, you know how they're like open all the
time. But they just looked like the frind right in like that. And
it was about four feet tall, had a little bit of a tear drop
body, and it had like human hands. So people have said to me,
well, well that sounds pretty pretty odd. Well, but then then
the wre you know, we're splicing monkeys with jellyfish now, and we're we
have spiders that were grabbing the DNA from that and incorporating it into a cow
to spider silk, which is like a powerful type of material now that the
government's using for bulletproof vests, and you know, we're we're playing with species
here, so it occurs to me. Now I can talk about it better
because it doesn't sound so far fetched anymore that you know, what we saw
looked like a big spider. But then again, if I said to you,
you know, how big is the average bird, you'd probably tell me
a couple of feet wide. But then again, you go back to prehistoric
days, they had thirty eight foot wingspan, So just because something's an inch
tall here doesn't mean it's an inch tall somewhere else. I mean, we
have miidgets that are three and a half feet, and we've got basketball players
that are seven. Right, So it basically looked like I didn't even interrupt
you, but it looked like someone took some human DNA and made an intelligent
spider that could perform tasks that would be almost impossible for humans to do it
because we're not very strong. Right, Yeah, yeah, they can jump
twenty spiders are all over. Hey, Tom, we didn't get to talk
about much, and so if you want to hang on for just a minute,
because I'd like to have you back, but let's just see if the
other show is working. So just hang on just for a second. Absolutely
and I'm not hearing a thing. Let me just refresh here, am I,
honor? You're still on. We're still uh, we're still live and
so but I'm just not sure how his I think that's it. I don't
know. Here we go, hang on just a second. So, Tom,
I want to thank you so much. The other show is going live
and we're going to tap into that. Thanks so much. We'll have you
back on. Yeah, please do Thanks again, everybody. All right,
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